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Speaker 1: You have to put the blame on the players, blaming

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Speaker 1: the coaches his escapegoat. The Cubs have done it far

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Speaker 1: too often. Welcome into North Side Territory. Foul Territory Networks

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Speaker 1: Cubs Podcast. I'm Sahadev Sharma, my co host Patrick Mooney

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Speaker 1: and I recorded a podcast earlier today. It's listener feedback,

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Speaker 1: your questions, your thoughts on the Cubs. Unsurprisingly, you are

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Speaker 1: none too happy with the way things are going. Patrick

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Speaker 1: is likely on his way back from San Francisco right now.

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Speaker 1: Where the Cubs lost three or four, they salvaged that

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Speaker 1: fourth one today. You know, it's good. It's good that

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Speaker 1: they won a game, right, but I wouldn't take too

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Speaker 1: much away from it other than hey, it was nice

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Speaker 1: to see Hector, Narris and Porter Hodge look good. Bounce

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Speaker 1: back for show to Inmanaga is important. Luke Little was good,

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Speaker 1: Tyson Miller the bullpen, the pitching was good, right, and

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Speaker 1: Shoda wasn't dominant, but he was much better than his

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Speaker 1: last outing. It's important to see him just have average

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Speaker 1: outings too, bounce back from tough, tough nights. So you'll

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Speaker 1: take that win.

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Speaker 2: It's they have a lot of work to do.

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Speaker 1: Right, we're past the halfway point here and the Cubs

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Speaker 1: are six games under five hundred. They are still a

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Speaker 1: last place team. They're not playing well enough. I don't

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Speaker 1: think anybody would disagree with that. That's why we got

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Speaker 1: the questions that we did. Why don't we get.

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Speaker 2: Right to that?

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Speaker 1: All right, Patrick, let's hear what the fans have to say.

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Speaker 1: Get to some of these questions. What do you what

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Speaker 2: Here? All right?

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Speaker 3: We got our guy Evan Altman wondering what beer is

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Speaker 3: best suited to either drown out or celebrate these games.

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Speaker 4: With the way the Cubs are playing. This is you

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Speaker 4: got any.

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Speaker 3: West Coast I Pas season's going down the drain and

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Speaker 3: in San Francisco?

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Speaker 4: What What's what are you drinking these days?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Man?

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Speaker 1: Okay, first of all, I'm not as much into beer anymore.

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Speaker 1: Just I mean, I still drink it. I still love beer.

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Speaker 1: It's just I'm getting old and it gets heavy on you.

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Speaker 1: So it's loggers mostly for me. Got to keep it light.

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Speaker 1: It's ninety five degrees out here, but today's a beautiful day,

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Speaker 1: but it's been ninety five degrees in Chicago. Listen, this

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Speaker 1: Cub season is going down the drain quickly. Uh you need,

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Speaker 1: you need the harder stuff than beer. So I suggest

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Speaker 1: especially with these West Coast games. I know they're wrapping

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Speaker 2: But you know, just do what you gotta do.

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Speaker 3: Another one for you here. I think this has been

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Speaker 3: in a couple different spots. William Vogally, what is the

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Speaker 3: likelihood that David Ross will get another chance to manage

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Speaker 3: an MLB team? Was the industry consensus that he'd acquitted

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Speaker 3: himself well as Cubs manager or that the dismissal after

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty three was deserved. Do the Cub struggles this

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think Patrick, you and I like, neither

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Speaker 1: I think the industry consensus that I got from scouts

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Speaker 1: of guys that you just say, Okay, they're not hurting

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Speaker 2: And Ross kind of fell in that category.

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Speaker 1: That doesn't mean he couldn't go up or down, right,

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Speaker 1: Like this happens with managers all the time.

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Speaker 1: Terry Francona wasn't looked at in that way in his

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Speaker 1: I always liked that about Ross. He was you and

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Speaker 1: I just don't think it it, uh. I think this

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Speaker 1: they viewed Craig Council. All right, Patrick, here's one for

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Speaker 1: you from Jacob Zanella. This team isn't really in a

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Speaker 4: We also know that Jed.

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Speaker 4: And you know, I still think like.

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Speaker 3: You would have to be blown away with like major

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Speaker 3: Like I don't look at this Cub's organization and they like,

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Speaker 3: oh man, they really need more like interesting guys in

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Speaker 3: it fair to say this franchise is still slow when

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Speaker 3: it comes to adjustments things like major league roster moves,

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Speaker 1: Tyler, Yeah, it's this. Are they too slow to react

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Speaker 1: Like I've said this before on the podcast, the fans

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Speaker 1: whether it's getting Kyle Hendricks out of the rotation, changing

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Speaker 1: to be. It just it's not always the smart move.

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Speaker 1: Are they Are they adjusting these specific things quick enough?

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's I don't think it's like shifting

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Speaker 1: I think pull ups are always something that fans want

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Speaker 1: Although the bullpen was fine on Wednesday, right that the

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Speaker 1: Do you need to be more aggressive with guys that

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Speaker 1: Maybe maybe I'm the one overthinking. Maybe they're the ones

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Speaker 4: It's time to blame the players.

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Speaker 1: Right for yeah, Like it's just like last year Dustin

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Speaker 4: It wasn't, It wasn't He just used the word blame.

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Speaker 3: It was more kind of presenting the idea against right,

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Speaker 1: Of yeah, I listen, you can blame the coaches. Maybe

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Speaker 1: I think this is roster construction, lack of a superstar,

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Speaker 1: have done it far too often. How many hitting coaches

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Speaker 1: And and where's where's James Rawson? Who was like there

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Speaker 3: You know, you get to be a good hitting coach

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Speaker 1: All right, Patrick, I'm going to ask you a couple

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Speaker 1: There's Peter Berg, there's someone else had a question about, Uh,

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I think in terms of kind of developing starters,

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Speaker 1: as it's ever been. You know, fewer, there's fewer minor

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Speaker 1: league affiliates, you don't have the lower levels. You kind

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Speaker 1: of have to rush move prospects, maybe a little faster

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Speaker 1: than you would have in the past.

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Speaker 2: That's one reason. Is there a hit lab? Yeah? So

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Speaker 2: is there a Why do people talk about the pitch

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Speaker 2: lab as more? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I think it became kind of a joke type thing

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Speaker 1: when they were developing pitching and people talk about it more.

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Speaker 2: It's not about these labs.

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Speaker 1: It's about there's information gathered in there, and there's things

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Speaker 1: you can work on. Very specifically. It really is about

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Speaker 1: the coaching and how you interpret that that stuff and

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Speaker 1: how you execute and and like you know, implement these

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Speaker 1: ideas that are put in place. There are certainly things

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Speaker 1: that I think are being tweaked. I do believe they have.

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Speaker 1: So they believe in their hitting infrastructure, why haven't they

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Speaker 1: developed a star? I mean that that's hard to answer

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Speaker 1: that there really is, Like have the Orioles figured something

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Speaker 1: out with hitting? I had a talk like two or

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Speaker 1: three years ago with a hitting code about the idea

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Speaker 1: of a hitting you know, like coordinator minor league guy,

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Speaker 1: about the idea of like where's the next step? But

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Speaker 1: like where where are things in player development? We took

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Speaker 1: these huge leap leaps in player development over the past decade. Right,

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Speaker 1: majority of it has been in pitching, right, that's just

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Speaker 1: like it's easier to measure things. They figured out a

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Speaker 1: lot of things when it comes to pitching development. So

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Speaker 1: that's further ahead as far as like what we know

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Speaker 1: about pitching development. The hitting development stuff was the next

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Speaker 1: frontier that that coach really believed that was next and

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Speaker 1: that they were starting to tap into some things in

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Speaker 1: the game. Uh, maybe the Orioles were ahead, right. Gunnar

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Speaker 1: Henderson was like a second round pick and he's what

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Speaker 1: now fighting for an MVP on one of the best

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Speaker 1: teams in baseball.

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Speaker 2: Right, Like these are.

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Speaker 1: These are things that are hard to until it becomes public.

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Speaker 1: Really it's hard to talk about because they don't they're

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Speaker 1: they're really secretive about this stuff until more teams have it,

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Speaker 1: and then it kind of like gets leaked out and

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Speaker 1: then then it's like, Okay, we don't need to be

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Speaker 1: as secretive.

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Speaker 2: But there there.

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Speaker 1: Certainly is uh, there are, there is work being done.

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Speaker 1: I did a piece where I went to Justin Stone's

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Speaker 1: facility and I went through the stuff that they go through,

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Speaker 1: like a modified version of it. It was it was

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Speaker 1: fun to do and it was fun to write. They

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Speaker 1: certainly do some crazy things. There are aspects of the

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Speaker 1: game that are very different than there was ten fifteen

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Speaker 1: years ago. As far as player development goes. Yeah, they

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Speaker 1: need to develop, like we don't. Why haven't they developed

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Speaker 1: a star? Well, they haven't. None of these guys have

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Speaker 1: come up yet. I don't think Owen Case he's going

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Speaker 1: to be an MVP candidate. I've been wrong before. Matt Shaw,

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Speaker 1: I could see that, I could see him developing into

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Speaker 1: a star.

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Speaker 2: He's not there yet. He's only a double A, so

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Speaker 2: we got to be patient on that. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I can't give you an answer why they haven't outside

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Speaker 1: of I'm not sure if they have star talent, so

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Speaker 1: they can't just make a star, like that's not really

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Speaker 1: how it works, Like they need to get that star

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Speaker 1: in the system, and a lot of times you have

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Speaker 1: to make sure you develop, like yeah, maybe, like hey,

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Speaker 1: if Matt Shaw becomes a star, do they get credit

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Speaker 1: for that because he was drafted thirteen? If you get

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Speaker 1: like an MVP candidate that draft at thirteen, do you

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Speaker 1: get credit for that or do the industry screw up

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Speaker 1: any drop too far.

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Speaker 2: Or wherever he was drafted.

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Speaker 1: I may be wrong on that number, but whatever, my

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Speaker 1: point is, I don't think any of these guys are

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Speaker 1: projected to be stars, so like to exceed those expectations,

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Speaker 1: then you have like this elite development, right.

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Speaker 2: I think the Cubs have good development. I think they're hoping.

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Speaker 1: When I asked around in baseball, I never got them

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Speaker 1: as an answer of who's best at player development?

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: I think the Cubs are hoping that they end up

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Speaker 1: in that answer someday soon. They're not there yet. And

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Speaker 1: I don't think this is a specific problem with them

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Speaker 1: as much as it's just like the reality of the situation.

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Speaker 1: I think player development is significantly better than it was

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Speaker 1: for this team that five years ago. It's not producing

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Speaker 1: the results that you want. As far as star talent

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Speaker 1: with offensive players. I don't think that has as much

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Speaker 1: to do with the player development as it does to

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Speaker 1: do with the players. And that's not a knock on

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Speaker 1: the players, because I do believe they have a lot

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Speaker 1: of good players. Maybe Moises bi Asteros maybe that. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that is a pretty good situation there. I mean, you

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Speaker 1: got to give player development some credit there. Twenty year

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Speaker 1: old already hitting at Triple A. So it's not all bad.

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Speaker 1: It's and I get the question about not translating a

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Speaker 1: Triple A.

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Speaker 4: It's like, yeah, thing right.

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Speaker 2: We tried to temper Matt Murvis here. We did.

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Speaker 1: We tried to say, like, I guys, I don't think

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Speaker 1: he's the superstar you think he is. So there's stuff

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Speaker 1: like that where it's just like, you know, I'm not

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Speaker 1: sure who this guy is, but you can wonder like

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Speaker 1: why isn't Pca hitting like he was in Triple A? Well,

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Speaker 1: he had holes and we know about it, and I

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Speaker 1: think this will be valuable, like we talked about last podcast.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for listening to Northside territory. I'm Sahadiv Sharma.

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Speaker 1: That's Patrick Mooney. Make sure to read our work at

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Speaker 1: that good stuff that you do for this podcast. We'll

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Speaker 1: be back at you next week after a big Brewer series.

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Speaker 1: We'll see if the Cubs can make it interesting or

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Speaker 1: if they continue to flounder and then fall further below

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Speaker 1: five hundred. Obviously it's time to turn things around. Otherwise,

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Speaker 1: if you don't want to see what happened last summer

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Speaker 1: where they have to climb back from ten games under,

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Speaker 1: they were able to do so, but they couldn't finish.

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Speaker 2: The job obviously gassed.

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Speaker 1: In September, Jed Hoyer specifically said he wants to avoid

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Speaker 1: that scenios scenario. So clearly it's past well past time

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Speaker 1: that the Cubs get going here.

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Speaker 2: Thanks again for listening. Take care,