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Speaker 1: an amazing show for everybody today. What do we have personal?

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Speaker 1: Indeed we do. Of course, there are a lot of

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Speaker 1: So we'll break all of that down for you. Of course,

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Speaker 1: we also have the Fed making a expected but also

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Speaker 1: So we'll break all of that down for you. Trump

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Speaker 1: will roll back their sanctions because that gives him a

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Speaker 1: lot more ability and a lot more power in those negotiations.

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Speaker 1: You know, this is the massive stick that we've tried

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Speaker 1: to use to batter Russia into submission here and get

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Speaker 1: them to be reasonable in these talks, which is, you know,

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Speaker 1: kind of a little bit of wishful thinking, but this

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Speaker 1: is the giant stick that we've used. You have to

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Speaker 1: be able to empower Zelenski, to be able to say, hey,

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Speaker 1: you do this, then we're gonna us and our allies

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Speaker 1: are going to roll back these sanctions. The administration has

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Speaker 1: not said whether they're willing to do that. And Ryan

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Speaker 1: Presssaky at press briefing, you know, on exactly that, and

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Speaker 1: she really wouldn't answer. So, you know, it's just another

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Speaker 1: This is another sign of the time, sign of where

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Speaker 1: the bipartisan consensus is. They're all four sending all kinds

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Speaker 1: of weapons, an offensive capability, and supporting the Ukrainians with

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Speaker 1: you know. I mean, we've talked about some of the

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Speaker 1: intelligence that's in the coordination military coordination, which is quite

446
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Speaker 1: extraordinary as well. But when it comes to the diplomatic

447
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,479
Speaker 1: front and how we actually build this off ramp and

448
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:25,359
Speaker 1: hopefully resolve this conflict, we get a lot less discussion.

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Speaker 1: You have very few lawmakers pressing the administration on this.

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Speaker 1: Of course, the media and we'll get to the media

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Speaker 1: later on, has nothing to say pushing them in the

452
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Speaker 1: direction of diplomacy. It's always in the direction of escalation.

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Speaker 1: It's always in the direction of more sanctions, more weapons

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Speaker 1: and all of that. So that's another thing to keep

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Speaker 1: an eye on. To my mind, I think Rocana is

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Speaker 1: one of the only representatives who's really been talking about

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Speaker 1: not just the military and the sanctions. But also, hey,

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Speaker 1: we've got to empower the Ukrainians as much as possible

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Speaker 1: in these diplomatic talks. Yeah, that's right. You know. The

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Speaker 1: ideal is the way this works is that if the

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Speaker 1: two of them, be Ukrainians and the Russians, can agree

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Speaker 1: on some sort of framework, then the great powers need

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Speaker 1: to get involved. And it would be Ukraine, and it

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Speaker 1: would be Russia, the European Union, the United States, Russia

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Speaker 1: and China, and if those three obviously Russia you know,

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Speaker 1: included in there. If those groups can come together and

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Speaker 1: agree on a rollback with the sanctions, it would look

468
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Speaker 1: a lot like the ideal of the Iran deal. That's

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Speaker 1: how we got with the P five plus one deal

470
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Speaker 1: was to negotiate and create, you know, the architecture the

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Speaker 1: great powers, both in economic might and military might coordinate

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Speaker 1: that towards a singular goal. That is a possible way

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Speaker 1: this could get done. Look, this is all wishful thinking.

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Speaker 1: All of this could be a ruse. And you know,

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Speaker 1: we've seen enough of these fall apart. I think I

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Speaker 1: watched something like twenty seasfires not happened in Syria, So

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Speaker 1: don't get your hopes up. They almost always fail. But

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Speaker 1: you know a paper I won't remember reading in grad school,

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Speaker 1: which you just give me hope, was the more attempts

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Speaker 1: at a ceasefire, the more likely and eventual ceasefire is

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Speaker 1: likely to happen. Yeah, so I that may sound like

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Speaker 1: a tautology, but what it is is that the more

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Speaker 1: attempts that you have at peace, even though they're very

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Speaker 1: extremely likely to fail, the more likely you actually are

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Speaker 1: to have peace in the end. So trying to open

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Speaker 1: lines of communication, which seem futile, frustrating, stupid, almost always

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Speaker 1: break down. And yes, sometimes they do break down you

488
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Speaker 1: have to fight to the death, but it's actually pretty

489
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Speaker 1: rare in the history of human conflicts. So pursuit of

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Speaker 1: peace in and of itself is a goal which is

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Speaker 1: not satisfying the short term but can't pay off in

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Speaker 1: the long re Yeah. And there's two other reasons to

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Speaker 1: be a little bit hopeful, which is, you know, the

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Speaker 1: very first talks that were held between the Russian side

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Speaker 1: and the Ukrainian side relatively short, yeah, you know, a

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Speaker 1: couple hours, and that was that. These have been going

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Speaker 1: on now for days and they've continued the lines of communication.

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Speaker 1: So that's one thing. The other thing which you found Soger,

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Speaker 1: let's go ahead and put this tweet up on the screen,

500
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Speaker 1: is you know, you have some interesting rhetoric here from

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Speaker 1: the Chinese. So the tweet. Go ahead and put this

502
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 1: last tweet up a eleven. There couldn't be a more

503
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Speaker 1: powerful sign of which way the wind is blowing in Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: China meeting with Ukraine officials in Lviv. So the Chinese

505
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Speaker 1: actually came to Leviv. We have and they said, we

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Speaker 1: have seen how great the unity of the Ukrainian people is.

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Speaker 1: That's per the Chinese ambassador is quoted as saying. So

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Speaker 1: the fact that the Chinese are there, that they are

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Speaker 1: showing some at least rhetorical solidarity with the Ukrainians is also,

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Speaker 1: you know, an indication that hopefully some pressure is being

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Speaker 1: put on Russia behind the scenes to make a deal

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Speaker 1: in good faith. This is the Chinese version of their

513
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Speaker 1: fine people on good side, on both sides. Yet very

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Speaker 1: fine people in Ukraine in Russia, good people. Sorry, I

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Speaker 1: had to get that out. Very true in terms of

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Speaker 1: how Putin is talking, though. Look, the hot language that

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00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 1: continues towards the Russian people is very much there. Here

518
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Speaker 1: gave an address to the Russian people. We have a

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Speaker 1: dub of that. Let's take a listen. So we have

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Speaker 1: exerted all ways to resolve the matter piece fully. The

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Speaker 1: problem that occurred not by our fade, and in this

522
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Speaker 1: regard we were forced to launch the special military operation.

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Speaker 1: The Russian troops near Kiev and other Ukrainian city has

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Speaker 1: nothing to do with our intention to occupy the country.

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Speaker 1: That's not our objective. So that's a very key Occupation

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Speaker 1: is not our objective? Could be a lie this could

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Speaker 1: you know, they could say they'll stay there forever for peacekeeping.

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Speaker 1: We've seen that before on many sides in terms of people.

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Speaker 1: But I think that even though he has the hot

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Speaker 1: rhetoric and the he called out the oligarchs and all that,

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Speaker 1: he's still saying, look, occupation is not our end goal.

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Speaker 1: So that could be a signal to an off ramp

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Speaker 1: to the Russian people. We're just trying to read tea

534
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Speaker 1: leaves here, and obviously we want to be hopeful, but

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Speaker 1: you know, it seems crazy until it's not crazy until

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Speaker 1: you have an actual peace deal, and we remain hopeful

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Speaker 1: of that. The language around the oligarchs was pretty interesting,

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Speaker 1: some real like sort of populous flamethroat with regards to

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Speaker 1: the oligarchs, which I think, you know, is probably pretty

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Speaker 1: popular with his domestic audience. He says he's focused on

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Speaker 1: a certain type of trader, those who quote earn money

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Speaker 1: here in Russia but live there, meaning in the West,

543
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: who like foi gras and oysters. So yeah, so he's

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Speaker 1: trying to position himself as like, I'm the true champion

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Speaker 1: of the people, and these rich people are leeching off

546
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: of you, and they're anti Russian and those sorts of things.

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Speaker 1: The reality is it's a completely symbiotic relationship. And you know,

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Speaker 1: the other thing I'd say about the oligarchs is I

549
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: wouldn't hold your breath waiting for them to turn on

550
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: Putin or have any sort of significant influence in ending

551
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 1: this ultimately, because yeah, they don't like the Western sanctions,

552
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: but thanks to our wonderful banking system, they you know,

553
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 1: even under sanctions, have gotten richer and richer, so their

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00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: livelihoods are not threatened. And number two, their wealth is

555
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 1: completely dependent on this guy. So without Putin, they don't

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Speaker 1: have the property and the rights and the you know,

557
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Speaker 1: their ability to earn the massive ill begotten fortunes that

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Speaker 1: they have. Yeah, there was an interview on the Realignment

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Speaker 1: with Nate Sibley's kind of a sanctions expert explain this

560
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Speaker 1: really well, which is that the way that we conceive

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Speaker 1: of the oligarchs is an independent power base in Russia.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't really exist anymore. That was the case from

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Speaker 1: the early two thousands up until twenty fourteen. But part

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Speaker 1: of the reason that Putin purged the oligarchs in western

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Speaker 1: influence is because all of the immense pressure that he

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Speaker 1: got on his regime from the oligarchs when he took

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Speaker 1: over Crimea. They were like, hey man, you're screwing with business,

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Speaker 1: and at that time they were very popular. So since

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Speaker 1: twenty fourteen, he's undergone a campaign to basically root out

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Speaker 1: in prison and destroy their power, of those oligarchs and

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Speaker 1: make them totally dependent on him. So they don't really

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Speaker 1: exist in the same independent power base that they did

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Speaker 1: in like two thousand and six, two thousand and seven.

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Speaker 1: It's a totally different situation now. It's much more like

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Speaker 1: a top down autocracy than it is anything else. Something

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Speaker 1: to keep in mind, you know, for people out there

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Speaker 1: by the way. Another thing to keep in mind is

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Speaker 1: we helped create the system and lays this out very

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Speaker 1: well on an interview we didn't watch. Yeah, people should

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Speaker 1: go and watch that interview. It did really well. I

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Speaker 1: was happy about that. Yeah, he I mean, Matt's always

582
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 1: really insightful on this stuff. Let's go ahead and move

583
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Speaker 1: on to this next segment on Saudi Arabia. So this

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Speaker 1: is very important. Let's go ahead and put this up

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00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 1: there on the screen. Saudi Arabia considers accepting yan instead

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Speaker 1: of dollars for Chinese oil sales. So this is a

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Speaker 1: massive piece of news Crystal. Obviously, it calls into the

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00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: question the petro dollar and all sorts of you know

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Speaker 1: things that I talk about the bat the bedrock of

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Speaker 1: the US financial system. But more important is that this

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Speaker 1: is a very clear signal that the Saudi Arabia are

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Speaker 1: quote angry over US lack of support for their intervention

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Speaker 1: in the Yemeni civil war, over the Biden administration's current

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Speaker 1: attempt to strike a deal with Iran. And so that

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00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 1: is why they have slapped Biden in the face by

596
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Speaker 1: refusing to take his calls. They will take the calls

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Speaker 1: of the Russian president and of Shi shehing Ping and

598
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Speaker 1: like oh sure, yeah, we'll buy or oil. Now China,

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00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: remember they buy twenty five percent of Saudi Arabian oil exports.

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Speaker 1: They are addicted to Saudi oil, and a huge part

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Speaker 1: of the One Belt, One Road initiative is actually getting

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Speaker 1: more Saudi oil or as much as they possibly can. Now.

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Speaker 1: I found this fascinating because this is a clear signal

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Speaker 1: that they are not afraid whatsoever of the Biden administration,

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Speaker 1: which is pathetic. Honestly, the Biden administration continues to green

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Speaker 1: light arm sales to this country. We allow ourselves to

607
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 1: be humiliated on the world stage by having MBS refuse

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Speaker 1: our president's phone call and their king refuses to talk

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Speaker 1: to our president. They refuse to pump more oil despite

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Speaker 1: our ass and you know, there's probably some active OPEC

611
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Speaker 1: collusion on their part in order to keep oil prices

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Speaker 1: as high here as possible to destabilize the Biden regime.

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Speaker 1: And all of this I would just say is screw them.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we have a tremendous amount of leverage Crystal

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Speaker 1: on the Saudis. We built that country and guaranteed its

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Speaker 1: security since the nineteen forties, and we sell them hundreds

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Speaker 1: of billions in arms. Right now at this moment, they

618
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Speaker 1: are begging us hat in hand, please support our war

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Speaker 1: and Yemen. We need more missiles, we need more whatever.

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Speaker 1: We need your ISR, we need your support. How about this.

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Speaker 1: Screw you arm sails, screw you pump more oil. If

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Speaker 1: you don't start pumping more oil, the whole spigot is

623
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Speaker 1: turned off. I was attacked by some Saudis for saying

624
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Speaker 1: all this. They're like, oh, yeah, we'll go to China.

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Speaker 1: Good luck, use some Chinese weapons against those Yemeny. See

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Speaker 1: how it works out for you. Well, not to mention that,

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Speaker 1: I mean, their entire military base is built off of

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Speaker 1: American weaponry, so they need our Yeah, what are you

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Speaker 1: gonna do in interoperability? Well, you're gonna start from scratch. Okay,

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Speaker 1: go ahead, good luck, I go ahead and do it.

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Speaker 1: I literally I would love to see it. I would

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Speaker 1: love to see these idiots who have built their entire

633
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Speaker 1: economy run by the West, both their firms, their expertise,

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Speaker 1: their education, they all live here well. And not to mention,

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Speaker 1: I mean our support of the Saudis and Israelis are

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Speaker 1: the two obvious, most glaring examples of our hypocrisy when

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Speaker 1: it comes to human rights around the world, and so

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Speaker 1: anytime we want to, you know, hold ourselves down as

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Speaker 1: a beacon of democracy. You know, it's the democracies versus

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Speaker 1: the authoritarians. They can just say, oh, really talk to

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Speaker 1: us about Saudi Arabia. They just we want people. They

642
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Speaker 1: beheaded them, right, and a number of them Shia in

643
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: a message. This is you know, a very political message

644
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 1: trying to derail the Iran deal. So this is an

645
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: incredibly nefarious regime. They don't care about human rights. Obviously,

646
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 1: They're willing to murder an American journalist in Jamal Kashogi.

647
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 1: The Many crisis is horrific, greatest humanitarian catastrophe on the planet.

648
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Speaker 1: And so there's two things that are really significant about this.

649
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Speaker 1: Number one is, as you lay out, just the disgusting nature,

650
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: one sided nature of our relationship with them, the way

651
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 1: that we show total feelty and it's grotesque. And of

652
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,919
Speaker 1: course our continued dependence on their oil is what keeps

653
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 1: us in the game. With all of that we talk about,

654
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,879
Speaker 1: there was such obsession over Russian election interference. I mean,

655
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,479
Speaker 1: this is the real election interference right now, and kenk

656
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: Lippenstein's been doing the reporting on how they've basically intentionally

657
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: been even before this crisis, increasing the price of oil

658
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,879
Speaker 1: to put the screws to the Biden administration and create

659
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 1: a difficult political landscape. The other piece of this is

660
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 1: we've been tracking some of the potential downsides of US

661
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: throwing our financial weight around with these massive sanctions against Russia,

662
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 1: which you already had countries like Russia and China starting

663
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Speaker 1: to build alternative financial architecture so that they can be

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Speaker 1: effectively sanctioned exempt. And this the Saudis signaling they're going

665
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Speaker 1: to now do business oil business, and one is another

666
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Speaker 1: sign of that. I just think that we should take

667
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Speaker 1: all this with the grain of salt, which is the

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Speaker 1: Saudis are weak. They pegged the ri odd to the dollar.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you want to let the riod float go ahead?

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Speaker 1: Be my guest. You know, doing the riod yuan transaction.

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Speaker 1: It's not as easy as it sounds, you know, removing

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Speaker 1: their removing their ability to basically backstop their entire economy, society,

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Speaker 1: and military with Western aid. That would take decades. We

674
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Speaker 1: have a tremendous amount of leverage upon these people whose

675
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 1: regime we have guaranteed security now for literally decades. I

676
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 1: mean put that all together, we could if we wanted to,

677
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Speaker 1: and we had the stones. And this is where I

678
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: blame Biden. I think the Saudis need to be absolutely

679
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 1: smacked around and play as much hardball as possible. This

680
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: is not a country which has anything but oil, and

681
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: in same in terms of their political leadership, their society,

682
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 1: everything is built upon the West. We have created it.

683
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Speaker 1: And not to mention fifteen on a nineteen of their citizens.

684
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Speaker 1: Last time I checked, crashed into the World Trade Center

685
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 1: and nothing ever happened. Well you should have done in

686
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:03,240
Speaker 1: response to nine eleven was cut the ties here because

687
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Speaker 1: I mean they have been incredibly malign in terms of

688
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Speaker 1: spreading this extremist form. Yeah, who's the number one exporter

689
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Speaker 1: of terrorism. It's Saudi Arabia, right, the amount of clerics

690
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Speaker 1: that come out of there, they're exporter of Wahabism. I

691
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 1: had the misfortune of living in a Wahabi country. I

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Speaker 1: don't wish it upon anybody else who is out there.

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Speaker 1: I mean, just look at what they've done in Kosovo

694
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Speaker 1: and elsewhere, the funding of these extremist mosses, even in Chechnya.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, we should have nothing to do with

696
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Speaker 1: these people save for the oil that comes out of

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Speaker 1: their ground, and unfortunately we begged to them like a dog.

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Speaker 1: That's what's happening with the Biden administration. You know, Oh, please,

699
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: can we take a phone call enough? Congress can cut

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00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: these arm sails off tomorrow. And I would love to

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Speaker 1: see a member of Congress defend shipping the Saudis wagons

702
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,359
Speaker 1: when they refuse to pump oil in order to help

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Speaker 1: our consumers. We should put these people on the spot geopolitically,

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00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 1: but there's no courage in Washington whatsoever. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to hear it bought off. I don't

706
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: want to hear about Trump either of me. He kissed

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00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 1: their ass constantly while he was in power. Jared's over

708
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 1: there begging for Saudi money in his investment fund. But

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Speaker 1: I think that's the point, which is that the Saudi's

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00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:14,720
Speaker 1: entire future plan, you know, US university funding, all that stuff,

711
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,359
Speaker 1: is built upon intertwinement with the West. Their sovereign wealth

712
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: funds they invest here uber all these other companies. Okay,

713
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: guess what we have something called the Export Control Act.

714
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 1: We can destroy you tomorrow. We can cut all your

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00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 1: wealth off, all of the US banks, the malls, and

716
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 1: everything that they own over here. Done tomorrow. Your kids

717
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: who are all hanging around in Georgetown with their ferraris

718
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,800
Speaker 1: shipped off. You're done. Sorry, been seized by the US government.

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Speaker 1: We could do this if we had the actual political will,

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Speaker 1: but we don't, and instead I just cannot. You know,

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Speaker 1: watching the people who behead eighty one, people who have

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Speaker 1: crashed into our towers just manipulate our oil markets and

723
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 1: then laugh in Biden's face. It's humiliating. It's truly humiliating.

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Speaker 1: Its disgraceful. It is absolutely disgraceful. There's an all right,

725
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,439
Speaker 1: let's move on to this is really significant in terms

726
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Speaker 1: of the economy. Is something we've been tracking for a while.

727
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Speaker 1: Let's go and put the CNBC tear sheet up on

728
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Speaker 1: the screen. So the Federal Reserve yesterday officially approved their

729
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Speaker 1: first interest rate hike in more than three years. There's

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Speaker 1: expectations for at least six more ahead this year. Now

731
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Speaker 1: you can see, I'll keep this up for a second.

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Speaker 1: You see the Federal funds effective rate over there on

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Speaker 1: the side, how much it has trended down that since

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Speaker 1: starts in nineteen eighty that graph, and you can see

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Speaker 1: there on the very end that little tiny tick up

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Speaker 1: from zero that's where we are. Okay, So interest rates

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Speaker 1: still by historical standards set by the Fed, extraordinarily low.

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Speaker 1: But this is a major signal in terms of a

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Speaker 1: change in their policy shift. And of course this is

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Speaker 1: in response to the high inflation that we've been experiencing. Now.

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Speaker 1: In their statement that they put out that everybody like

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00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: really parses in reads a lot of what they basically

743
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Speaker 1: argue is, listen, guys, the economy is strong enough. We've

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Speaker 1: had strong employment growth to be able to handle these

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Speaker 1: interest rate hikes, so we're moving ahead. Did that reassure

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Speaker 1: the markets seem to yesterday? You know, yeah, there was,

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Speaker 1: there were some recovery of you know, losses from previously,

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Speaker 1: so seemed like in the short term, not a huge catastrophe.

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Speaker 1: But the balance here, the outlook is very precarious. Let's

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Speaker 1: put this next piece up on the screen. This is

751
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Speaker 1: from a CNBC FED survey. You now have a third

752
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Speaker 1: of the economists that they survey thinking that a recession

753
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Speaker 1: is likely. That is up ten points from February. A

754
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 1: lot of things go into this. You've got one one

755
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 1: advisor saying we might be on the cost of the

756
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Speaker 1: Fed raising rates at the same time, there's a minus

757
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Speaker 1: sign in front of GDP. Of course, the war in

758
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Speaker 1: Ukraine has increased the inflation forecast as well, So you

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00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 1: have increased inflation forecast, you have diminished expectations for growth.

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Speaker 1: At the same time you have the FED raising rates.

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Speaker 1: This all contributes to a really really shaky outlook in

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Speaker 1: terms of our economy. And the other piece of this

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Speaker 1: that we've also talked about is, you know, not only

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Speaker 1: did the FED lower rates back down to zero percent,

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Speaker 1: but they also engaged in a massive program of what

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Speaker 1: is called quantitative easing, which is basically just backstopping the market.

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Speaker 1: And they did this first, you know, extraordinary ways after

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Speaker 1: the financial crash, well during the coronavirus crash, they did

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Speaker 1: they amped this up an insane amount, so really extraordinary

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Speaker 1: links were taken to completely backstop the market in you know,

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Speaker 1: manners that they had never done before. So we also

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Speaker 1: got a little bit of indication that they're going to

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Speaker 1: start to roll that back and decrease their balance sheet

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Speaker 1: and sell assets back. And that's the other thing that

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Speaker 1: is a gigantic question mark of how quickly they unwind

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Speaker 1: some of the quantitative easing that they've done. Yeah, this

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Speaker 1: is very interesting because the ripple effects throughout the economy.

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Speaker 1: We just have no idea. It could spark a recession,

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Speaker 1: it could change the housing market, it could change the

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Speaker 1: amount of debt which is flying all around. There's a

781
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Speaker 1: ton of easy money if you're rich right now, even

782
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 1: though there's obviously a consumer crunch with debt and all

783
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 1: of that that's going on. Let's go and put the

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Speaker 1: next one up there on the screen, which is raising

785
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: it by twenty five basis points, but also saying that

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Speaker 1: balance sheet reduction will be beginning at coming meeting. That's

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Speaker 1: another one, right, because the Federal Reserve has all kinds

788
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 1: of sketchy stuff on its balance sheet from mortgage backed

789
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 1: securities and other things that they've engaged things through quantitative

790
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 1: easing unloading that could itself have an impact on the market.

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Speaker 1: And then when we think about where exactly things are

792
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Speaker 1: right now, it's just so difficult. We have wages which

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00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 1: are not keeping pace with inflation, and the Fed has

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00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 1: a dual mandate they have both to pursue full employment

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Speaker 1: but also to not have rapid inflation. So at one hand,

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00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: we do have relatively good employment, not terrible, but okay.

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00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,879
Speaker 1: On the other hand, we have eight percent inflection, So

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Speaker 1: this is a big problem. And also the inflation that

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Speaker 1: we have is not really a result of monetary policy.

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Speaker 1: Most of it is through a massive demand tyke given

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00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 1: the end of COVID and these huge supply crunches all

802
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 1: across the economy that are a result of globalization, oil markets,

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00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 1: Saudi's which we have just talked about, all kinds of

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00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 1: crazy stuff, and you put that together and it's a

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Speaker 1: very difficult situation. I've seen some predictions that stagflation could

806
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: again happen because of this crazy kind of butt roiling

807
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: within the markets, both on the monetary side but also

808
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: on the supply side. And let's go to put this

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Speaker 1: up next one up there. Really what it is is

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Speaker 1: about the level of uncertainty in the financial system, which

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Speaker 1: is the most Fed officials here see as many as

812
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Speaker 1: seven rate increases in twenty twenty two, Crystal. So we

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Speaker 1: could have an interest rate who knows what the indust

814
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Speaker 1: rate could be at the end of this year that

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Speaker 1: would massively packed housing prices like all kinds of stuff,

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Speaker 1: And some people are even saying that it's possible they

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00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: raise rates even more quickly. Because the war has added

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Speaker 1: to inflation expectations and then you know, you covered how

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Speaker 1: China is now in a new lockdown. Now, on the

820
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 1: one hand, they're decreased demand for gas could help the

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Speaker 1: lower gas prices, but obviously that's going to create massive

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Speaker 1: supply chain issues once again, so very very uncertain landscape here.

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Speaker 1: And there is one way. So when we think about

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Speaker 1: like food prices and gas prices, those are the things

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Speaker 1: that we normally think about when it comes to inflation.

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Speaker 1: But there is one way in which the federally did

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Speaker 1: contribute to inflation, which is at the high end of

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Speaker 1: asset prices because they effectively, I mean, this was a massive,

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Speaker 1: multi trillion dollar as David Dahan says, cannon shot at

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Speaker 1: the markets, right the wealthiest among us. They backstop not

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Speaker 1: only the stock market, but also the bond market. So

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Speaker 1: this is why you had these dueling headlines at the

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Speaker 1: worst of the coronavirus crash, where it's like massive job loss,

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Speaker 1: massive numbers of unemployment claims, and the markets hitting new

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Speaker 1: record highs. The Fed's policy is why that was happening.

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Speaker 1: And that was much more about their policy of quantitative

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Speaker 1: easing and the you know, really unprecedented links that they

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Speaker 1: went to. There and the type of things that they

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Speaker 1: were buying and backstopping. That's what was creating those dynamics.

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Speaker 1: So you have some economists who say, you know, we

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Speaker 1: had a housing bubble in the financial that caused the

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Speaker 1: financial crash that we're all familiar with. Now we kind

843
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: of have an everything bubble in terms of asset classes.

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Speaker 1: And the Fed has to be very careful how they

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Speaker 1: execute this policy, because, yeah, you do have to deal

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Speaker 1: with inflation, and that's very significant, but you can't have

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Speaker 1: these cascading effects where the bubbles pop and then there's

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Speaker 1: just a complete collapse. And while you may not have

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Speaker 1: benefited much on the way up, if you're an ordinary

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Speaker 1: person who's just struggling to make ends meet, you will

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00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,320
Speaker 1: certainly be hurt on the way down if these bubbles

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Speaker 1: ultimately pop. Found it all that out in two thousand

853
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 1: and eight the hard way. That's exactly that's why we

854
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 1: cover it, you know, so in depth, is because we know,

855
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 1: you know, if a company can't borrow in order to

856
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:19,879
Speaker 1: make payroll, you're fired. If they can't finance a new

857
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,479
Speaker 1: expansion or they have to pay more on their debt,

858
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 1: you're fired. If you you know, the go of your

859
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 1: house collapses, the value of your house collapses, through which

860
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: you have a loan. You're done, You're going to get evicted,

861
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:32,879
Speaker 1: You're going to get four clothes. I mean, these are

862
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 1: real consequences that we have already seen. And you know,

863
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 1: the whole too big to fail thing. Obviously that didn't

864
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: work out so well. Almost a decade more, no more

865
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: than a decade after the financial crisis, and now it's

866
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:48,240
Speaker 1: been fourteen years. We're really due for some sort of crash.

867
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: There's all sorts of wonky stuff that's happening within the economy.

868
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 1: Everything is super expensive, but also we have a decent

869
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:59,959
Speaker 1: labor market. If you're working class, there's a disconnect there.

870
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:04,359
Speaker 1: Wealth obviously is flying around at a historic rate. So

871
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 1: everything just feels completely crazy, and you just never know

872
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 1: when the music stops. Yeah, and when it does, it's

873
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 1: not the rich people who suffer, it's you. Yes, that

874
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 1: is exactly right. Let's go ahead and move on to

875
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 1: mister Trump. He's making some interesting yeah. I mean, look,

876
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,839
Speaker 1: he's very likely to be our next president. So he's

877
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: been given an interview with the Washington Examiner where he

878
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 1: made some interesting comments about Mike Pence. Let's put this

879
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 1: up there on the screen. Trump is effectively ruling out

880
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 1: tapping former Vice President Mike Pence's his running mate should

881
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 1: he mount a third White House bid and win the

882
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: Republican nomination. Quote I don't think the people would accept it,

883
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 1: Trump told the Washington Examiner. So what he says is

884
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 1: that the friction from the twenty twenty election was just

885
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 1: something he really can't get over, and more importantly, his

886
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 1: people can't get over. He says, quote Mike and I

887
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 1: had a great relationship. Except for the very important factor

888
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: that took place at the end, we had a very

889
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 1: good relationship. Quote. I haven't spoken to him in a

890
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 1: long time. So obviously, Pence, you know, took a shot

891
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 1: at Trump in his most recent speech. I think it

892
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 1: was in the Federalist Society a couple of months ago,

893
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: where he defended what he did obviously at the during

894
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 1: January sixth and certifying the election results. Not like he

895
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 1: had any choice, He didn't have anything he could actually do,

896
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 1: despite what Trump will tell you, but his unwillingness to

897
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:30,879
Speaker 1: stand with Trump in order to certify the elections because

898
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 1: Trump was convinced of some Kakamamy scheme where perhaps he

899
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 1: could kick it back to the States, none of which

900
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 1: was reality. And it's it's so tiresome to even acknowledge

901
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 1: so many of these things. You'll really want to give

902
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris the power to decide who wins the next

903
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 1: election night, she would declare herself queen for life. The

904
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:54,319
Speaker 1: point is is that Trump is ruling out Pence as

905
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: his ax vice president, which opens up all sorts of

906
00:48:56,600 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 1: interesting possibilities, which is who's he going to pick? The

907
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 1: things I could see is that because he views DeSantis

908
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 1: as a threat, he might put him on the spot

909
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:08,800
Speaker 1: by making him try to make him become the vice president.

910
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 1: DeSantis would find it very difficult to turn him down,

911
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:13,919
Speaker 1: especially if Trump called him out, but not doing so

912
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,879
Speaker 1: because Trump is obviously threatened by DeSantis, and being vice

913
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 1: president you have no power, and it's a great way

914
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 1: to keep somebody under your thumb, kind of keep him

915
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 1: out of the limelight if you would like. It would

916
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:25,359
Speaker 1: be a tough spot for DeSantis to put himself in,

917
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 1: but it also would make him make the air apparent, right, Yeah,

918
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 1: which I don't know. I don't know. I don't know

919
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 1: if Trump can handle like his ego is so fragile

920
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 1: and he so clearly like despises DeSantis. I have a

921
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:40,399
Speaker 1: hard time, even though that would be a savvy move,

922
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 1: I have a hard time imagining him actually doing it

923
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 1: because he's so worried about having anyone around him steal

924
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 1: his limelight that to elevate DeSantis like that, I don't know.

925
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 1: There would have to be some extraordinary acts of ritualistic

926
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 1: humiliation in order for that to ultimately happen. It. I'm

927
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 1: thinking of Member when he invited Mitt Romney to that

928
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 1: dinner there's that famous photo and like made him like

929
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:06,839
Speaker 1: beg for the job and then didn't even give it

930
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:09,240
Speaker 1: to him. That's something like that would have to happen

931
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 1: where DeSantis totally like bends the knee and defers to

932
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,359
Speaker 1: him and is just this you know, leashed puppy dog

933
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 1: to Trump. In order for that to be a possibility,

934
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 1: these are total speculations on my part, but I do

935
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:24,320
Speaker 1: know that the Republicans like to do cringe identity politics,

936
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,280
Speaker 1: so they'd be like, see we have a black vice president,

937
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 1: or see we have a woman vice president. So in

938
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 1: that vein, I could see a Tim Scott very much. So,

939
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:36,399
Speaker 1: you know, Tim Scott ideologically kind of a free market guy,

940
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 1: but he was very Trump whenever he was in the Senate. Also,

941
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:43,879
Speaker 1: the Trump people would love to have a black vice

942
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 1: president for identity politics reasons. You know, another person I

943
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 1: think I could see getting picked is at least Stephonic.

944
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 1: You know, she turned herself into a true like Trump

945
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 1: Warriorley in the order now, didn't She said some stuff

946
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,319
Speaker 1: against you? She trashed him in the Atlantic and then

947
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 1: called him was Bill, please please take my call, and

948
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 1: he was like, I'm not going to take your call.

949
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: What a joke. She's never gonna be president, She's neverna

950
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:07,799
Speaker 1: be vice president. She's a loser. But the people who

951
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 1: have kissed his ass the most are like, at least Dephonic.

952
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 1: He he held a fundraiser for her at mar A

953
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:17,919
Speaker 1: Lago very recently, and he said this very amount could

954
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 1: be our next president, which is hilarious because she's actually

955
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 1: quite liberal on a lot of social values, and so

956
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 1: a lot of the social conservatives hater. But it's not

957
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 1: like Trump cares about ideology. Now that being said, he

958
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 1: will have to shore up a little bit of his

959
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,840
Speaker 1: evangelical support base if he were to run again. So

960
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 1: I don't know how that would shake up you know,

961
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 1: there's that dude in Kentucky too, whose name blanking on,

962
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 1: who's the Daniel Cameron? Yeah, who's the age of Kentucky

963
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 1: GEO spoke at the Orange kind of like a rising star. Anyway.

964
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 1: I think that's an interesting That is an interesting thought

965
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 1: because they are really into doing that, just like you know,

966
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 1: equally hollow identity politics on their side. I could totally

967
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:54,799
Speaker 1: see it. Yeah, if that were to happen in terms

968
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 1: of his power within the GOP, kind of a fascinating

969
00:51:57,640 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 1: turn of events that not a lot of people predicted,

970
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 1: including me. It's going to put this up there on

971
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 1: the screen, which is that Trump is not doing so

972
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 1: well in terms of the GOP primaries. The former president

973
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:09,720
Speaker 1: endorsed candidates who are struggling to capitalize on his support,

974
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:13,360
Speaker 1: and he goes zero for three in three pivotal state primaries.

975
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:16,880
Speaker 1: It would suggest that his peak influence has passed. So,

976
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 1: I don't know, Chrystal, what did you make of these? Yeah?

977
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:26,359
Speaker 1: So these are big primaries, three Senate primaries in North Carolina, Georgia,

978
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:31,359
Speaker 1: and Alabama where his candidates are not doing well at all.

979
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:35,840
Speaker 1: So Trump, you might recall, in North Carolina he endorsed

980
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:40,919
Speaker 1: Congressman Ted Bud and he tried to try to cut

981
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 1: this deal to get this other dude, Mark Walker out

982
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 1: of the primary. Walker didn't listen to him, So he's

983
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 1: still sort of bleeding support from Ted Budd. And at

984
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 1: this point, you know, the data's passed, they're all going

985
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 1: to be on the ballot for the primary. So that's

986
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:58,919
Speaker 1: complicating situation. The latest poll that just came out has

987
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:05,360
Speaker 1: Bud at in second place. This person, Pat McCrory, former governor,

988
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 1: is at thirty five percent, Bud's at twenty four percent,

989
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:09,799
Speaker 1: and then Walker, the one he tried to get out,

990
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:12,879
Speaker 1: is at seventeen percent. And then this is the race

991
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 1: that I referenced earlier where Bud is getting hit for

992
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 1: being like a Putin apologist in new ad spending, which

993
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 1: again is very interesting the politics of that that clearly

994
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 1: it's not where a lot of the hardcore magabase thought

995
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 1: the politics were ultimately going to go recently. So Bud

996
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 1: had said something about Putin like he's a very intelligent

997
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 1: actor and there are strategic reasons why he would want

998
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 1: to protect his southern and western flank. We understand that.

999
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 1: So that's what's he's getting hit on. So that's North

1000
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 1: Carolina where things are not going particularly well, and not

1001
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 1: only is Trump's candidate not winning, but Trump failed to

1002
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:53,799
Speaker 1: use his influence to shape that race and get the

1003
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 1: candidates involved that he wanted to. The other one that

1004
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 1: we've tracked very closely is in Georgia. Of course, you

1005
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 1: have Kemp, who's involved in the whole you know, God

1006
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 1: on the wrong side of all to stop the steel

1007
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 1: stuff in Georgia, and you had Purdue challenging him, And

1008
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:10,399
Speaker 1: I think this is the one where we both thought, like, oh,

1009
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:13,360
Speaker 1: like that Kemp's been made into such a villain with

1010
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,959
Speaker 1: the Republican base. Trump has been so vocal against him.

1011
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 1: You know that in Purdue is a known quantity that

1012
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,439
Speaker 1: this is very likely to be the direction. But as

1013
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 1: of now, Kemp continues, you know, poll after poll to

1014
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 1: have a significant edge over Purdue. That's maybe the most

1015
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 1: noteworthy one. And then you have in Alabama mow brook. Yeah,

1016
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 1: Trump is apparently just like despondent about what he's doing.

1017
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:41,360
Speaker 1: So here's the polling there you have you have Brooks

1018
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 1: actually in third place in this primary. He trails Durant

1019
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 1: and britt They're both tied at the top at around

1020
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 1: thirty three percent, and Trump's candidate Brooks is lagging down

1021
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 1: at seventeen percent. And I guess what, I think the

1022
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 1: real problem is that Brooks is losing, and so Trump

1023
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 1: has pissed at him, but he's trying to make it

1024
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 1: about stop this deal. He said he was very disappointed

1025
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 1: in some comments that Brooks made that were really sort

1026
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 1: of milk toast, where you know, he said that like

1027
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 1: voters should focus on moving forward rather than on twenty twenty.

1028
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 1: So he didn't even say, you know that the election

1029
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 1: wasn't stolen. He just said, which, of course it wasn't stolen.

1030
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:24,320
Speaker 1: He just said, like we should look at the future.

1031
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 1: So Trump is using that to say, like, I'm disappointed,

1032
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:30,319
Speaker 1: and he's even floating potentially backing another primary camp. That's

1033
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 1: what I was gonna say. So there was a report

1034
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 1: last night that Trump is mulling on unindorsing Mo Brooks

1035
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:41,360
Speaker 1: and endorsing brit Or Durant in the Alabama race just

1036
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 1: because he's trailing so far. But look, his inability to

1037
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:47,279
Speaker 1: shape these things is going to be is a big

1038
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 1: problem for him in terms of his control. And if

1039
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 1: Brian Camp in particular, if he wins that's a I mean,

1040
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:56,400
Speaker 1: that's a seaching massive right. I mean, he was target

1041
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:59,840
Speaker 1: number one of the Trump wing for refusing to whatever

1042
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:04,399
Speaker 1: and certify the election results in Georgia. So with that,

1043
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 1: it would just be a massive blow to Trump's influence,

1044
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 1: and really I think it would shake kind of the

1045
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 1: GOP power to its core. Don't take this too far, though.

1046
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 1: Trump is going to be the nominee, yeah, you know,

1047
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:17,839
Speaker 1: for the GOP if he wants to. But in terms

1048
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 1: of his support for endorsement, this is something he takes

1049
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 1: a lot of pride in. If he were to have

1050
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 1: a blow to that, he's going to freak out, and

1051
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 1: the ramifications of that they're going to be big. Yeah. Well,

1052
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 1: the other piece that's interesting here with all three of

1053
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:33,239
Speaker 1: these races is, you know, Trump is really trying to

1054
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:35,840
Speaker 1: make these primaries a referendum on where you are and

1055
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 1: stop the steal, and the voters are just basically not

1056
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:41,839
Speaker 1: having it, you know. I mean, that's again exactly that's

1057
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 1: exactly right. And so you know, this is the danger

1058
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 1: of Republicans continuing to go with Trump, in Republican elites

1059
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 1: continuing to go with Trump, is this is the only

1060
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:55,799
Speaker 1: thing he cares about I mean, he's obsessed with the

1061
00:56:55,920 --> 00:57:00,239
Speaker 1: stop the steal nonsense insanity, even to the point of, like,

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Speaker 1: this is the litmus test issue for all of these

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Speaker 1: people that he's backing in the primary, and if you,

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Speaker 1: like Moe Brooks, say one thing that's a little bit off,

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Speaker 1: then he might use that as justification to pull his endorsement,

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Speaker 1: even though I think what's really going on there, as

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00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 1: we said, is that Mobrooks is losing, and Trump doesn't

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Speaker 1: want to back a loser, especially when he's backing a

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00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 1: couple of other losers. It seems like, but that's what

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00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 1: really comes through as the common theme which each with

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00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 1: each of these candidates is he's created this one stupid

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00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 1: litmus test issue that is, you know, the equivalent of

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00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:39,440
Speaker 1: It's Actually it's way worse than the Democrats' obsession with

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00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 1: January six, because at least January six actually happened. You know.

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00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 1: Trump is obsessing and making his whole political legacy and

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00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 1: his whole political program about what happened in the twenty

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00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 1: twenty election. So it's a fullish direction. And I think

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00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 1: that these potential losses for him in these significant races

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00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 1: shows that it is not even really landing with the

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00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 1: Republican base at this point, who, like you said, are

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00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 1: concerned about the things that everybody's concerned about, war, peace, inflation,

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00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 1: gas prices, how do I pay my bills? And he

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00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:15,919
Speaker 1: has nothing to say about any of that. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: we'll see how it works out for him. Yeah. Indeed,

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00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 1: all right, we have been tracking some of the Russophobia

1086
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 1: McCarthyist neo McCarthy's sentiment that is sweeping not only our

1087
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 1: country but the world. And this is really disturbing. Example

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00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 1: here a couple of really disturbing examples that we wanted

1089
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 1: to track for you. Let's gohead and put this first

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00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 1: hair sheet up on the screen. So this says that Medvedev,

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00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 1: top tennis star, he's number one in the world right now,

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00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 1: is told he will be banned from Wimbledon unless he

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00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 1: denounces Putin directly. Russia and Belarus have already been thrown

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00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 1: out of the Davis Cup and the fed Cup, but

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00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 1: individual players have thus far been free to continue. So

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00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 1: the backstory here is that the UK Sports Minister Nigel

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00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:06,480
Speaker 1: Huddleston revealed quote discussions were taking place with the All

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00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 1: England Club over preventing quote supporters of Vladimir Putin entering

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00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 1: the sports Biggest tournament giving evidence to the Digital Culture,

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00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 1: Media and Sports Select Committee. This dude said, it needs

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00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 1: to go beyond that, beyond the comments that Medvedev has

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00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 1: already made. We need some potential assurance that they are

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00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 1: not supporters of Vladimir Putin, and we are considering what

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00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 1: requirements we may need to try and get some assurances

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00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 1: along those lines. So here's what Medvedev has already said

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00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 1: and done. He already removed the Russian flag from his

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00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:41,160
Speaker 1: Instagram account following the invasion, and he also posted an

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00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:45,200
Speaker 1: impassioned call for peace in the world after he replaced

1109
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 1: Djokovic at the top of the men's rankings. And so look,

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00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:52,960
Speaker 1: here's the thing. I mean, this is extraordinary, and I

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00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 1: think the way that I was thinking of it is

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00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 1: we covered the plight of Pun Shwai and being very

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00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 1: concerned about her, en forcing her to directly denounce. We

1114
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 1: didn't do that Jijinping. If you live in a country

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01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 1: where you have, you know, essentially authoritarianism, and you know

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01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 1: that dissidents are frequently jailed and punished for that, it's

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01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 1: completely unreasonable to demand these direct denunciations. Especially I mean

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01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:24,160
Speaker 1: he's already said so much. So this is a truly

1119
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 1: insane situation. It's wrong on principle, and it's also wrong

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Speaker 1: because it's only being applied to this one group of

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01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 1: people living under you know, with this asshole putin, Why

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01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:40,320
Speaker 1: don't you require every sports figure from every country with

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01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 1: human rights abuses, including our own, to denounce you know,

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01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 1: let's go down the list and denounce this and that

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01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 1: human rights abuse. It's insane. If Medvedev was a Azon,

1126
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:54,080
Speaker 1: well like, had a Z on his jacket pro Russia

1127
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 1: screw the West, I wouldn't I still wouldn't support it,

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01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:00,200
Speaker 1: but I could see it. Yes, he's taken there's a

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01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 1: Russian flat. You're taking his own country's flat. Yeah, out

1130
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 1: of his own bike, called for peace, called for Pepe.

1131
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 1: That is Look, the guy's got family. You know, this

1132
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 1: is something that we just don't understand in the West.

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01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:14,240
Speaker 1: They don't play over there. If you screw with the regime,

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01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:17,240
Speaker 1: they will jail you, your family, they can harass everybody,

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01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 1: they can take your kids out of school. I mean,

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01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:21,520
Speaker 1: there's all kinds of ramification. So I was reading this

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01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 1: is long standing Russian policy, going back to the time

1138
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:26,840
Speaker 1: of the Czars, to the Stalin era and all of that,

1139
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:28,720
Speaker 1: which is that the number one way to keep you

1140
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:31,840
Speaker 1: in line is not to say you're gonna suffer. It's

1141
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 1: your family's gonna suffer. Who knows what they could do

1142
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 1: to this guy. If you fall out of favor. You

1143
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:38,840
Speaker 1: can lose your post at the university. You can you know,

1144
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:40,480
Speaker 1: your kids could get taken out of school, you could

1145
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 1: be denied something, and you could be you know, shipped

1146
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:46,080
Speaker 1: off or whatever. If some fake jail sentence are harassed

1147
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 1: and stopped by Russian authorities. You can't let this happen.

1148
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:53,520
Speaker 1: Like we're exactly what you're saying with punk Shwai. Okay, Look,

1149
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:57,520
Speaker 1: I support her right to speak out and not face

1150
01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:01,400
Speaker 1: harassment by the Chinese government, but I'm not going to

1151
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:05,120
Speaker 1: demand that she continued to use her platform to speak

1152
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:09,280
Speaker 1: out for it because she or against the regime. She

1153
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 1: has family, and we already saw what happened to her

1154
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:15,400
Speaker 1: participate in some weird hostage video which she's like, today

1155
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 1: is the date, and I am fine and having dinner

1156
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 1: with my friends, very normal conversation. I mean, this are

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01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 1: not things that we want to see. The best that

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01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 1: we could do is allow him to compete, and at

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01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:28,200
Speaker 1: the time if he competes and uses that as a

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01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:31,080
Speaker 1: call for peace, a call for peace in itself is

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01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:35,480
Speaker 1: already a very subversive thing against the Russian region. There

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Speaker 1: are actually other Russian athletes, Crystal I checked, who are

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Speaker 1: supporting the Russian government, wearing the Z, supporting the Russian

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01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:44,920
Speaker 1: military campaign. He is not one. There was a gymnast

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01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:49,880
Speaker 1: who a metal ceremony had the Z on his uniform,

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01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:51,920
Speaker 1: and he can do what he wants. You know, I

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01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:54,280
Speaker 1: think you're an asshole, but whatever. Yeah, I mean, I

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01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:57,120
Speaker 1: don't support him getting pulled either. But Medvedev hasn't said

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01:02:57,120 --> 01:03:01,480
Speaker 1: anything supportive of Putin whatsoever. I listen to his comments

1170
01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 1: that he made when this all first started, and he said, listen,

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01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:07,800
Speaker 1: I'm a tennis player, I travel around the world. I'm

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01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:10,520
Speaker 1: interested in peace, like that's what I care about. So

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01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:15,560
Speaker 1: this is this is insane and is part of obviously

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01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:19,040
Speaker 1: a broader trend that we've been tracking here. And by

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01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:23,240
Speaker 1: the way, you know, this doesn't this doesn't help win

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01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:26,080
Speaker 1: over the Russian people to your side if that's part

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01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:29,960
Speaker 1: of your goal. They feel that they are being judged

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01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:33,440
Speaker 1: for the sins of their leadership in and collectively punished,

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01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:36,760
Speaker 1: and they are They're not wrong to feel that way.

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01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:39,280
Speaker 1: So you don't think that Putin is going to use

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01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:42,400
Speaker 1: that to keep his people on his side. Of course

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01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:45,680
Speaker 1: he is. I mean, this really does harden them, harden

1183
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:49,760
Speaker 1: the world into this like us versus them dynamic when

1184
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:53,920
Speaker 1: you are punishing people just indiscriminately who have nothing to

1185
01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:57,280
Speaker 1: do with this invasion or this war and are even

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01:03:57,320 --> 01:04:01,040
Speaker 1: actively speaking out against it the other one that you know,

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01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:03,480
Speaker 1: this really struck a nerve with me because I knew

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01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:07,600
Speaker 1: Ed Schultz at MSNBC. He was one of the people

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Speaker 1: who put me on his show most often when I

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01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:14,280
Speaker 1: was first getting started. There's a lot to say about Ed,

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01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:16,120
Speaker 1: but when he was at MSNBC, he was one of

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01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 1: the only voices there really consistently talking about working people,

1193
01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:24,080
Speaker 1: consistently talking about unions on the ground, covering the union

1194
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:27,840
Speaker 1: fights in Wisconsin and Ohio that were unfolding at that point.

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01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:31,200
Speaker 1: And you know, so I do have some loyalty to

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01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:33,840
Speaker 1: the man because not only was he that lone voice

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01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:36,600
Speaker 1: at MSNBC and basically gets fired because of it, but

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01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:39,360
Speaker 1: also because when I was first getting started, he was

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Speaker 1: one of the hosts that would you know, routinely value

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01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:46,240
Speaker 1: my voice on his program. So after he leaves MSNBC,

1201
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:49,400
Speaker 1: he goes to RT. And now they have found it

1202
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 1: necessary after Ed Schultz has been dead now for quite

1203
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:59,800
Speaker 1: a while, to posthumously label him as state propaganda. Let's

1204
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:02,800
Speaker 1: go and put this up on the screen. The journalist

1205
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:06,720
Speaker 1: Ed Schultz posthumously has just been tagged as Russia state

1206
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:09,920
Speaker 1: affiliated media. He passed away in twenty eighteen. He was

1207
01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:14,880
Speaker 1: with MSNBC before R two RT. Russa phobia reaches beyond

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01:05:15,120 --> 01:05:19,480
Speaker 1: the grave. Ed Schultz is not Russian propaganda. He's not

1209
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:23,680
Speaker 1: anything now because he's dead. What are you doing? This

1210
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:28,280
Speaker 1: is completely insane and just speaks to the mass hysteria.

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01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:32,400
Speaker 1: It goes after absolutely anything even a little bit associated

1212
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:34,720
Speaker 1: with Russia. If it's a restaurant that has the word

1213
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:37,840
Speaker 1: Russia in it, it's going to be targeted. If you're,

1214
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:41,960
Speaker 1: you know, a pianist who is coming to do a

1215
01:05:42,040 --> 01:05:44,360
Speaker 1: concert in Canada, you're going to be banned because you

1216
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:47,960
Speaker 1: can't possibly have you know, anyone who is from Russia

1217
01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:52,000
Speaker 1: even play the piano or play tennis. Complete insanity. Yeah,

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01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:53,800
Speaker 1: it really pissed me off whenever I saw it. I

1219
01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:55,800
Speaker 1: sent it to as many people as I could, because

1220
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:58,000
Speaker 1: I was like, this man is dead. Leave them alone.

1221
01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:02,360
Speaker 1: You know their Twitter figue is retroactive. Yeah, exactly his family.

1222
01:06:03,040 --> 01:06:04,440
Speaker 1: I don't know what the guy said when he's on

1223
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:06,800
Speaker 1: Russian TV, but like you know, I grew up watching

1224
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:09,320
Speaker 1: ed Scheltz as well, and I remember seeing and he

1225
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:12,120
Speaker 1: never did anything bad. And even if he did, let

1226
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:15,240
Speaker 1: the dead, leave the dead be in this. But look,

1227
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:18,160
Speaker 1: this is the craziness of the system that we're in

1228
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:22,000
Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, and look this is dangerous. You know, this,

1229
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:24,880
Speaker 1: this mindset and this kind of slow role. Even Putin

1230
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:27,840
Speaker 1: yesterday said Russia is being canceled. So don't think that

1231
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:29,920
Speaker 1: they're not going to use this for their own domes.

1232
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:32,880
Speaker 1: I love the way he uses our language. He knows

1233
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:35,480
Speaker 1: what he's doing. Yeah, fake news, I mean he speaks

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01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:38,360
Speaker 1: perfect English. Any people forget this. Putin is a long

1235
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:40,919
Speaker 1: observer of the way the people who hate us the most,

1236
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:43,960
Speaker 1: they actually understand us better than we understand ourselves. Yeah. Well,

1237
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:46,360
Speaker 1: there are a lot of parallels between Russia, I mean,

1238
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:48,640
Speaker 1: the Russian economy and our own. You know, there are

1239
01:06:48,680 --> 01:06:50,880
Speaker 1: people they're rich get labeled as all of arts, but

1240
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:54,320
Speaker 1: ours aren't so much different here either. Another part of

1241
01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:57,720
Speaker 1: the landscape that we've been tracking is the fact that

1242
01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:01,160
Speaker 1: the media is like the most most talkish group in

1243
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:05,320
Speaker 1: the entire country, and they only ever and not just

1244
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:09,240
Speaker 1: in this particular circumstance, but they only ever push in

1245
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:12,640
Speaker 1: favor of more escalation and more war. We saw this

1246
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:16,960
Speaker 1: really clearly with their coverage in Afghanistan. You know, they

1247
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:19,800
Speaker 1: didn't give a shit about Afghan civilians for twenty years,

1248
01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:22,280
Speaker 1: and then the minute Biden actually tries to end the war,

1249
01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:25,320
Speaker 1: then for like two weeks they actually care about Afghan civilians,

1250
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:28,560
Speaker 1: and then once it's over, they again once again don't care.

1251
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:33,160
Speaker 1: And so what we see here is a consistent drum beat.

1252
01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:37,120
Speaker 1: They're not pushing the administration over what Ryan Grimm is saying, Hey,

1253
01:07:37,360 --> 01:07:39,520
Speaker 1: what are you doing to enable peace? What are you

1254
01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:43,320
Speaker 1: doing to push for diplomacy here? No, they're consistently pushing

1255
01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:47,320
Speaker 1: from more escalation, potentially provoking World War three. This is

1256
01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:50,560
Speaker 1: a video compilation put together by the Intercept of the

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01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:54,880
Speaker 1: questions that are being asked of the Biden administration routine. Lean,

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01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:57,080
Speaker 1: let's take a look at that. Why is the US

1259
01:07:57,160 --> 01:07:59,520
Speaker 1: belief they knowed better with my eye needs than what

1260
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:02,920
Speaker 1: Ukraine and officials are saying they need the most. It

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01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:05,120
Speaker 1: sounds like, you know, we're pretty dug in on our

1262
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:07,280
Speaker 1: position when it comes to the no fly zone when

1263
01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:12,520
Speaker 1: it comes to the MiGs. Despite this growing call by

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01:08:12,560 --> 01:08:16,240
Speaker 1: person call Congress to shift a little bit. To put

1265
01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:19,760
Speaker 1: it bluntly, is Zelensky wasting his time tomorrow asking for

1266
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:23,200
Speaker 1: these things? Press checking Congress tomorrow? He's been pushing for

1267
01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:26,000
Speaker 1: a fighter jets, a no fly zone. He's some of

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01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:28,479
Speaker 1: those same clients tomorrow as well as in the fiction

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01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:31,439
Speaker 1: shift thinking shift them that at all? Really know though

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Speaker 1: calling for a note fly zone. They're a NATO member,

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Speaker 1: they share a border with Russia. How do we view

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Speaker 1: their calls for a no fly zone? A non presidential

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Speaker 1: of Pisa gross tomorrow, of course, he is expected to

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Speaker 1: ask for more assistance. As my colleague noted, a lot

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Speaker 1: of the US positions on that haven't changed, as you

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Speaker 1: just said, when it comes to the knife no fly zone,

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Speaker 1: but on the aircraft specifically, the Pentagon said last week

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Speaker 1: the Secretary Austin said they do not support the transfer

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Speaker 1: of additional fighter aircraft at this time. Is that's still

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Speaker 1: the United States' position? Would a strike in Poland on

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Speaker 1: supplies or anything really automatically be met with a military

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Speaker 1: forcial response. Wily a conversation amongst allies about how to respond.

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Speaker 1: There are of course that are Russian drone made its

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Speaker 1: way into Polish airspace before going back to Ukraine and

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Speaker 1: being shot out. Does a drone into Poland? Count Former

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Speaker 1: Ambassador to Ukraine and Ria Ivanovitch has been quite outspoken recently,

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01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:32,559
Speaker 1: and she said you need to mitigate risk. But it's

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01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:35,600
Speaker 1: also true that not taking greater actually comes with a

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Speaker 1: risk as well, because Kun is a bully and he

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01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:44,520
Speaker 1: only understands t is the president showing enough strength against Putin?

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Speaker 1: Were to use chemical weapons? Would it change the President's

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01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:50,320
Speaker 1: thinking when it comes to these things? Taking the enoplizard

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01:09:50,360 --> 01:09:52,679
Speaker 1: off the table? But at least on are you prepared?

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01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:54,680
Speaker 1: Can you give us any more details about what that

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01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:58,160
Speaker 1: threat means of severe consequences? The President obviously made the

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01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:02,720
Speaker 1: same threat last week. Is that purely economic consequences or

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Speaker 1: would their potentially be in military of that? Wow? So

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01:10:07,439 --> 01:10:10,880
Speaker 1: you see they're just consistent every question. What about the

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01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:12,760
Speaker 1: no fly zone? But what about the now flies? O? Well,

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01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:14,920
Speaker 1: what about the megs? Tell me more about the megs?

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Speaker 1: And to the point that Saki actually just recently noted

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01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:21,160
Speaker 1: she has answered that question about the planes. She says

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01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:24,719
Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty seven times, to which Kristen Welker

1304
01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:27,200
Speaker 1: there says, well, here's the one hundred and sixty eighth

1305
01:10:27,240 --> 01:10:28,720
Speaker 1: if you want to know why I had to get

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01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:31,639
Speaker 1: the hell out of that room. That's why I remember

1307
01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:33,320
Speaker 1: list looking around and be like, Oh, you guys are idiots.

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01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:35,439
Speaker 1: You don't know anything. I mean, you're very good at

1309
01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:38,920
Speaker 1: posturing on television. That's I guess that's a skill. That's it.

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01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:44,160
Speaker 1: I mean they're unable to see a complete one dimension

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01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:47,360
Speaker 1: of the impact of their questions, of their policy, how

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01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:51,280
Speaker 1: they can create the systems and the incentives of which

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01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:54,839
Speaker 1: the policymakers will then respond to. They are outright pushing

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01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:57,280
Speaker 1: for World War iie, why don't you send more weapons?

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01:10:57,439 --> 01:11:00,479
Speaker 1: Who are you to decide that you know better than Zelenski.

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01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:02,720
Speaker 1: We're not saying that we know better for them that

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01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:05,280
Speaker 1: in Ukraine, we know what's good for us. That's the

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01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:08,880
Speaker 1: job of the US government. They have no conception of sovereignty.

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01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:12,120
Speaker 1: And over and over and over and over again, why

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01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:14,639
Speaker 1: not more? Why not more? You can see exactly there

1321
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:17,439
Speaker 1: what is the reward mechanism? The more you give, the

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01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:19,680
Speaker 1: more praise that you get from media, people will give

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01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:22,439
Speaker 1: you as much, and then you slow walk yourself into

1324
01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:26,479
Speaker 1: a Third World war. That's the exact opposite of what

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01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:29,240
Speaker 1: we should want. There is no incentive. I used to

1326
01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:32,920
Speaker 1: ask this stuff all the time. When I was most

1327
01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:35,080
Speaker 1: attacked by the White House press corps is when I

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01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:39,120
Speaker 1: would press Trump on the possibility of peace with North Korea,

1329
01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:41,840
Speaker 1: because I was most concerned about nuclear war. I'd be like,

1330
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:43,920
Speaker 1: why don't you invite Kim Jong un to the White House?

1331
01:11:44,280 --> 01:11:46,880
Speaker 1: What are you gonna do? You view his recent outrates

1332
01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:49,439
Speaker 1: good faith. These are not the way that you get

1333
01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:51,559
Speaker 1: noticed in the press corps or you get clips. The

1334
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:53,599
Speaker 1: way you get noticed is why are you not more

1335
01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:57,880
Speaker 1: forcefully denouncing the Kim regime. Listen, I think what's happening

1336
01:11:57,920 --> 01:12:00,000
Speaker 1: is terrible, but I want to avoid a nuclear exchange.

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01:12:00,240 --> 01:12:03,759
Speaker 1: The political rewards are always on the side of being hawkish.

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01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:05,840
Speaker 1: And this is why. I mean, the only time they

1339
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:08,120
Speaker 1: like Trump is one of those bombing serias. I mean

1340
01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:12,679
Speaker 1: every time whatever bride wants, Oh my god, but yeah,

1341
01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:15,240
Speaker 1: and people are like this is when he became president,

1342
01:12:15,320 --> 01:12:18,240
Speaker 1: you know, that whole thing. I remember that, Yeah, the

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01:12:18,280 --> 01:12:22,519
Speaker 1: only political rewards are on the side of hawkishness. And

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01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:25,599
Speaker 1: this is how you end up with a landscape where

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01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:28,360
Speaker 1: overwhelmingly the American people are saying, we have to do more,

1346
01:12:28,360 --> 01:12:29,960
Speaker 1: we have to do more, we have to do more,

1347
01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:34,240
Speaker 1: without recognizing how much we've already done, which is like

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01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:39,559
Speaker 1: extraordinary and historically unprecedented. But because the media's constant drumbeat

1349
01:12:39,680 --> 01:12:41,400
Speaker 1: is you're not doing enough. You're not doing enough, You're

1350
01:12:41,439 --> 01:12:43,760
Speaker 1: not doing enough, You're not doing enough. Of course, that's

1351
01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:46,920
Speaker 1: the impression that's created. And this is where the three

1352
01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:51,360
Speaker 1: networks CNN, MSNBC, and Fox News are really basically indistinguishable.

1353
01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:56,240
Speaker 1: You know, this is complete uniparty stuff, complete bipartisan consensus,

1354
01:12:56,280 --> 01:13:00,639
Speaker 1: always pushing in only one direction. And so you have

1355
01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:03,360
Speaker 1: to know if you're the Biden administration or the Obama

1356
01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:06,439
Speaker 1: administration or the Trump administration, that you are going to

1357
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:10,000
Speaker 1: take a tremendous political hit because of course the American

1358
01:13:10,040 --> 01:13:12,559
Speaker 1: public when they see you getting attacked from all sides

1359
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:15,040
Speaker 1: for not doing enough, of course that's going to have

1360
01:13:15,080 --> 01:13:17,799
Speaker 1: an impact on public opinion. We saw that very clearly

1361
01:13:17,800 --> 01:13:21,400
Speaker 1: with Afghanistani. That is when Biden's approval ratings really took

1362
01:13:21,439 --> 01:13:24,439
Speaker 1: a hit and have never recovered because you had such

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01:13:24,479 --> 01:13:27,640
Speaker 1: a consistent drum beat from the press. And that's exactly

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01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:29,760
Speaker 1: what we're seeing here. You know, you've got a lot

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01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:33,519
Speaker 1: of legislators, you already see a shift. Now you've got

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01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:36,000
Speaker 1: some Democrats now calling for hey, we got to get

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01:13:36,040 --> 01:13:39,439
Speaker 1: these fighter jets to them as well. No fly zone

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01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:42,240
Speaker 1: still is mostly off the table. But this is how

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01:13:42,280 --> 01:13:44,439
Speaker 1: you end up putting a lot of pressure on the

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01:13:44,479 --> 01:13:47,479
Speaker 1: politicians who all want to posture as the ones who are,

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01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:50,559
Speaker 1: you know, backing the tough thing and doing the most.

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Speaker 1: So it's a dangerous situation when you have this landscape.

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01:13:53,960 --> 01:13:56,639
Speaker 1: Combine it with remember that exclusive story that we brought

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Speaker 1: you the audio about the White House press corps and

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01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:00,920
Speaker 1: who gets to ask questions again? Now, well, do you

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01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:03,559
Speaker 1: notice where all those people are sitting, folks in the

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01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:07,320
Speaker 1: front row. That's the mainstream media, and they get to

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01:14:07,439 --> 01:14:09,639
Speaker 1: rig the whole briefing. They get to decide how long

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01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:11,880
Speaker 1: it takes, They get to decide who gets asked the questions.

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01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:14,720
Speaker 1: The people in the back, people like yours truly who

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01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:17,240
Speaker 1: used to be there, try and scrambling to try and

1382
01:14:17,240 --> 01:14:19,719
Speaker 1: get a question oh, you don't get a guaranteed question.

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01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:22,599
Speaker 1: And these people are the ones who might ask a

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01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:27,280
Speaker 1: dissident question about diplomacy. The questions matter, the incentive matters.

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01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:29,200
Speaker 1: The White House knows all three of the people they

1386
01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:31,040
Speaker 1: call in the front row who work for the cable

1387
01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:33,599
Speaker 1: networks will be played on loop for millions of people.

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01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:37,320
Speaker 1: And that is again feeds into the incentive structure of

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01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:39,000
Speaker 1: what they want to say, of how they want to

1390
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:41,280
Speaker 1: message it to the people. And then when they ask

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01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:43,760
Speaker 1: these questions and drum beat for war, there is no

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01:14:44,120 --> 01:14:46,559
Speaker 1: reward for diplomacy. I'll bring it back for the people

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01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:48,920
Speaker 1: who are not watching this fully or non premium people.

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01:14:49,080 --> 01:14:50,640
Speaker 1: What I was talking about in the A block and

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01:14:50,680 --> 01:14:54,160
Speaker 1: the diplomacy block was this, which is that most attempts

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01:14:54,200 --> 01:14:58,240
Speaker 1: at peace fail. However, as many attempts, as many attempts

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01:14:58,240 --> 01:15:01,679
Speaker 1: as you can at peace happen more likely that peace

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01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:05,720
Speaker 1: eventually does occur. It takes a long time, and you

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01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:07,920
Speaker 1: can think of it as kind of a negative feedback loop.

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01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:09,840
Speaker 1: Calling for peace is really hard because you know, you

1401
01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:13,360
Speaker 1: want to say face and all that. Diplomacy. Negotiation is

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01:15:13,360 --> 01:15:16,400
Speaker 1: also very difficult. It almost always collapses. There's almost always

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01:15:16,439 --> 01:15:18,519
Speaker 1: incentives against it in order to keep fighting. But if

1404
01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:20,639
Speaker 1: you keep trying and trying and trying and trying and trying,

1405
01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:24,040
Speaker 1: eventually you will come to an outcome and peace is easy.

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01:15:24,280 --> 01:15:27,160
Speaker 1: Like the type of negotiated settlement that they would have

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01:15:27,240 --> 01:15:30,400
Speaker 1: to come to here, which would involve some really significant

1408
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:34,519
Speaker 1: concessions from Ukraine. Like, it's very easy to sort of

1409
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:38,280
Speaker 1: posture against that, to say, oh, you're giving Russia their way.

1410
01:15:38,920 --> 01:15:43,360
Speaker 1: So that creates all these disincentives for the Biden administration

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01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:46,920
Speaker 1: to help support that diplomatic process. And that was another

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01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:50,000
Speaker 1: thing we talked about in the A block. Is you

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01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:53,200
Speaker 1: hear this consistent? US lawmakers very happy to talk about

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01:15:53,200 --> 01:15:55,320
Speaker 1: the sanctions we got to do more, very happy to

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01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:59,400
Speaker 1: talk about the military weapons, but very little pressure, I mean,

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01:15:59,439 --> 01:16:03,040
Speaker 1: basically no pressure on the Biden administration to actually empower

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01:16:03,160 --> 01:16:07,640
Speaker 1: Zelenski in terms of the diplomatic negotiations to try to

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01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:11,760
Speaker 1: achieve some sort of deal here. By empowering him to say, hey,

1419
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:14,240
Speaker 1: if Russia actually comes to the table and actually does

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01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:16,719
Speaker 1: you know, does their part and gives up a little

1421
01:16:16,760 --> 01:16:19,200
Speaker 1: bit too, that you were empowered to say we're going

1422
01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:21,240
Speaker 1: to roll back the sanctions that have been imposed by

1423
01:16:21,320 --> 01:16:23,360
Speaker 1: the US and Native I would love to see a question.

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01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:25,559
Speaker 1: What are the red lines for negotiations of the United

1425
01:16:25,560 --> 01:16:29,120
Speaker 1: States and any negotiated settlement between Ukraine and them? Would

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01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:33,519
Speaker 1: you agree with President Zelenski's ditching of NATO membership? Is

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01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:35,600
Speaker 1: that something that the United States would support? Does the

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01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:39,920
Speaker 1: Biden administration stand in support of negotiated settlement? Whatsoever? Yeah?

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01:16:39,960 --> 01:16:42,320
Speaker 1: Great questions, right, You're not going to hear a single one. Now.

1430
01:16:42,320 --> 01:16:48,799
Speaker 1: There's never never any pressure for peace. Yeah, never, Crystal,

1431
01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:50,320
Speaker 1: what are you taking a look at? Well, guys, I'm

1432
01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:52,559
Speaker 1: looking at gas prices, and there is a very simple

1433
01:16:52,680 --> 01:16:55,040
Speaker 1: reason you are paying so much at the pump right now.

1434
01:16:55,200 --> 01:16:58,559
Speaker 1: It's greed and it's corruption. You know it, I know it.

1435
01:16:58,880 --> 01:17:01,880
Speaker 1: I guess who else knows it? Elmbur. The only thing

1436
01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:05,439
Speaker 1: I know is the gas prices are high. Which this

1437
01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:07,760
Speaker 1: is yet another time where I thought I would just

1438
01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:13,400
Speaker 1: wish regular people were organized. You know, it's like we

1439
01:17:13,479 --> 01:17:18,200
Speaker 1: told we made, we made the gas prices go down

1440
01:17:18,360 --> 01:17:21,200
Speaker 1: to like two bucks a gallon a dollars ninety a

1441
01:17:21,280 --> 01:17:27,439
Speaker 1: gallon in twenty twenty by all staying home and not driving. Granted,

1442
01:17:27,479 --> 01:17:30,680
Speaker 1: the government told us to stay home. I ain't fucking staying. Ah,

1443
01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:36,760
Speaker 1: I don't trust the government. Um they're bombing Iraq. That's

1444
01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:47,120
Speaker 1: great support the troops. Um. Anyway, Uh, you know, we

1445
01:17:47,200 --> 01:17:48,880
Speaker 1: made it go down, So why don't we just all

1446
01:17:48,920 --> 01:17:52,360
Speaker 1: just like drive less. If you're working somewhere and somebody

1447
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:55,040
Speaker 1: lives kind of near you, why don't you commute. Fuck

1448
01:17:55,120 --> 01:17:59,639
Speaker 1: these gas companies, Okay, they keep doing this shit where

1449
01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:01,920
Speaker 1: it was like they didn't know the pandemic was coming,

1450
01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:03,519
Speaker 1: so they had all of this fuel and then we

1451
01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:07,400
Speaker 1: didn't use it. So the supply and demand thing, so

1452
01:18:07,439 --> 01:18:10,559
Speaker 1: then we start buying it again, and then what do

1453
01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:13,559
Speaker 1: they do. They stop producing it and then they're like, oh,

1454
01:18:13,600 --> 01:18:16,679
Speaker 1: we don't have as much. They do it on purpose.

1455
01:18:16,920 --> 01:18:20,920
Speaker 1: They're greedy cunts. They pay all the politicians, the Republicans,

1456
01:18:22,120 --> 01:18:26,160
Speaker 1: the Blue Ties, the Obamas, the Trumps, the Bidens, the Clintons,

1457
01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:30,800
Speaker 1: they pay all of them. They pay all of them,

1458
01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:33,800
Speaker 1: you know, and so they don't do anything about it.

1459
01:18:33,880 --> 01:18:37,280
Speaker 1: But we we have the bower Man. But you get

1460
01:18:37,280 --> 01:18:39,680
Speaker 1: the bower then you don't drive your car. Then you

1461
01:18:39,720 --> 01:18:42,120
Speaker 1: get the girl. Right, we have the power to just

1462
01:18:42,160 --> 01:18:44,360
Speaker 1: make it go back down again. Just don't fucking drive

1463
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:47,719
Speaker 1: if you can or whatever. Commute with somebody else. All right,

1464
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:51,639
Speaker 1: do your part this week to fuck over the fucking

1465
01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:55,479
Speaker 1: oil companies and drive less or commute or stay home

1466
01:18:55,600 --> 01:18:57,400
Speaker 1: one day when you were going to go out or

1467
01:18:57,479 --> 01:19:00,439
Speaker 1: ride your bike, do something like that. Fuck these fucking

1468
01:19:00,520 --> 01:19:05,360
Speaker 1: greedy cunts who create a shortage on purpose so they

1469
01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:07,320
Speaker 1: can try to make up all the money they lost

1470
01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:13,040
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty. It's fucking disgusting. Pretty simple, actually, So

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01:19:13,160 --> 01:19:14,880
Speaker 1: let me show you what the greed looks like. Here,

1472
01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:18,880
Speaker 1: take a look at this big oil is raking in

1473
01:19:19,240 --> 01:19:22,280
Speaker 1: record profits, and these numbers are from before Russia did

1474
01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:26,160
Speaker 1: their so called military operation in Ukraine. Their shareholders got

1475
01:19:26,160 --> 01:19:28,120
Speaker 1: burned during COVID, and these are people who are used

1476
01:19:28,160 --> 01:19:31,200
Speaker 1: to winning big every single time. So, as Bilburgh accurately

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01:19:31,240 --> 01:19:34,519
Speaker 1: assessed there, they are intentionally holding back on production so

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Speaker 1: they can use these obscene prices to pay off their

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01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:41,280
Speaker 1: people while your people and you get screwed. Now, let

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01:19:41,320 --> 01:19:44,120
Speaker 1: me show you what the corruption looks like. Millions of

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01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:49,120
Speaker 1: dollars in campaign contributions in this year alone, three million

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01:19:49,160 --> 01:19:53,439
Speaker 1: to Democrats, nearly seven million to Republicans. In case you

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01:19:53,439 --> 01:19:56,280
Speaker 1: thought voting them into office might improve the situation, and

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01:19:56,600 --> 01:19:59,040
Speaker 1: just take a look at who is at the top

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01:19:59,160 --> 01:20:03,719
Speaker 1: of the list. We're just this year in big oil money. Oh,

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01:20:04,040 --> 01:20:07,320
Speaker 1: that would be our friend Joe Manchin. Next up is

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01:20:07,360 --> 01:20:11,040
Speaker 1: the likely next Speaker of the House, Republican Kevin McCarthy. Overall,

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01:20:11,040 --> 01:20:14,439
Speaker 1: you've got six Democrats and fourteen Republicans rounding up the

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01:20:14,479 --> 01:20:18,760
Speaker 1: top twenty most bought off industry shills. Congratulations to them,

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01:20:18,840 --> 01:20:21,720
Speaker 1: and most of all, to our entire nation. Now it

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01:20:21,800 --> 01:20:24,040
Speaker 1: sucks that this is the case, but gas is an

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01:20:24,080 --> 01:20:27,599
Speaker 1: absolute necessity in American life. Our public transit is crappy.

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01:20:27,720 --> 01:20:30,280
Speaker 1: Our working class has been pushed out of their community

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01:20:30,360 --> 01:20:33,360
Speaker 1: so they have to commute long distances. Our lives, jobs,

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01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:36,080
Speaker 1: and economic well being, they are all wrapped up in

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01:20:36,120 --> 01:20:38,240
Speaker 1: what the numbers on those signs post on the side

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01:20:38,240 --> 01:20:40,799
Speaker 1: of the highway say as I lay down on Tuesday.

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01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:43,680
Speaker 1: Because gas is a vital public good, like vaccines or

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01:20:43,680 --> 01:20:46,639
Speaker 1: healthcare in general, or public safety or education, we should

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01:20:46,680 --> 01:20:48,960
Speaker 1: really just nationalize the damn oil companies and run them

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01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:50,920
Speaker 1: for our benefit rather than for the benefit of a

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01:20:50,960 --> 01:20:54,400
Speaker 1: group of our own oligarchs. Now, not holding my breath there,

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01:20:54,520 --> 01:20:56,720
Speaker 1: but at the very least, the politicians who are too

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01:20:56,760 --> 01:21:00,160
Speaker 1: cowardly to actually do anything about five dollars gas. At

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01:21:00,200 --> 01:21:02,840
Speaker 1: the very least, they get level with us. They can

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01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:05,559
Speaker 1: be honest about what's going on, but since the truth

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01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:08,760
Speaker 1: is rather unflattering to their donors, it shouldn't surprise you

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01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:12,160
Speaker 1: that many have concocted and elaborate web of lies instead

1509
01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:15,040
Speaker 1: of telling the truth. Let's start with the Republicans who've

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01:21:15,080 --> 01:21:17,559
Speaker 1: never met public land they didn't want to despoil, or

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01:21:17,600 --> 01:21:20,400
Speaker 1: oligarchs that they didn't want to enrich. They are leaning

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01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:23,720
Speaker 1: into their standard hippie punching messaging. Gas prices are too

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01:21:23,800 --> 01:21:26,240
Speaker 1: high because Biden is a tree hugger who loves windmills

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01:21:26,320 --> 01:21:28,240
Speaker 1: or something and won't drill. And also what about the

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01:21:28,320 --> 01:21:31,920
Speaker 1: Keystone pipeline. I'm sure socialism, CRT and the woke mob

1516
01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:35,360
Speaker 1: are somehow also implicated. Now, personally, I would actually like

1517
01:21:35,400 --> 01:21:37,679
Speaker 1: it if Biden made some real progress on moving away

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01:21:37,680 --> 01:21:39,760
Speaker 1: from fossil fuels and we never have to suffer at

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01:21:39,800 --> 01:21:42,360
Speaker 1: the hands of the Saudis in a bunch of villainous oligarchs. Again,

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01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:46,720
Speaker 1: Buddy hasn't. On the contrary, under Biden, oil production has

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01:21:46,760 --> 01:21:49,160
Speaker 1: increased to more than the first year of the Trump presidency.

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01:21:49,240 --> 01:21:51,599
Speaker 1: The number of oil rigs has also increased, and thanks

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01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:54,280
Speaker 1: to a court decision blocking Biden's attempts to halt drilling

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01:21:54,320 --> 01:21:57,719
Speaker 1: on federal lands, the Biden administration recently held the largest

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01:21:57,760 --> 01:22:00,000
Speaker 1: auction of oil and gas leases in the Gulf of Mecha,

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01:22:00,120 --> 01:22:02,920
Speaker 1: the COE ever, which is projected to produce one billion

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01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:05,640
Speaker 1: barrels in total. It will take years, of course, for

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01:22:05,680 --> 01:22:08,240
Speaker 1: these barrels to be extracted, refined, and put to market.

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01:22:08,439 --> 01:22:10,800
Speaker 1: But the point is there was no sudden collapse in

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01:22:10,840 --> 01:22:14,280
Speaker 1: oil production because of socialism, AOC and the Green New Deal.

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01:22:14,720 --> 01:22:16,880
Speaker 1: I wish Joe Biden was that guy buddy just state

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01:22:17,160 --> 01:22:21,000
Speaker 1: and about the GOP's beloved Keystone pipeline. Even if Biden

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01:22:21,040 --> 01:22:22,960
Speaker 1: had never stopped work on it, it would still be

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01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:26,040
Speaker 1: in construction for at least another year. The truth is,

1535
01:22:26,200 --> 01:22:29,120
Speaker 1: when it comes to drill, baby, drill, this administration is

1536
01:22:29,160 --> 01:22:31,559
Speaker 1: not a whole lot different from the last one. And

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01:22:31,560 --> 01:22:34,879
Speaker 1: how about the Democrats, Well, yesterday we brought or rather Tuesday,

1538
01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:38,240
Speaker 1: we brought you Biden's new messaging on gas prices. Make

1539
01:22:38,360 --> 01:22:42,400
Speaker 1: no mistake, the current spiking gas price is largely the

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01:22:42,439 --> 01:22:45,800
Speaker 1: fault of Vladimir Putin. There's nothing to do with the

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01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:49,759
Speaker 1: American Rescue Plan. Back to Wall Street, Wall Street estimated

1542
01:22:49,800 --> 01:22:52,880
Speaker 1: that the and the San Francisco Reserve Federal Reserve said

1543
01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:57,040
Speaker 1: analyzed it said the rescue plan contributed only zero point

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01:22:57,080 --> 01:23:02,160
Speaker 1: three percent to inflation. Zero point that's coming from the

1545
01:23:02,200 --> 01:23:08,479
Speaker 1: Fed rescue in our economy didn't cause this problem or

1546
01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:12,360
Speaker 1: working to fix it put inflation. I guess is what

1547
01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:15,240
Speaker 1: we're going with here, because apparently the Democratic Party learned

1548
01:23:15,280 --> 01:23:17,920
Speaker 1: literally nothing from their failures during the years of Russiagate.

1549
01:23:18,240 --> 01:23:20,639
Speaker 1: The corporate winging the party is right back to using

1550
01:23:20,720 --> 01:23:24,320
Speaker 1: Russia as a boogeyman to excuse their failures on everything.

1551
01:23:24,640 --> 01:23:27,880
Speaker 1: And here's the thing, guys, we aren't stupid. Just take

1552
01:23:27,880 --> 01:23:30,760
Speaker 1: a look at this. Gas prices have been climbing for

1553
01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:34,800
Speaker 1: a year. Russia invaded Ukraine like three weeks ago. Not

1554
01:23:34,920 --> 01:23:37,799
Speaker 1: to mention, no one made you ban Russian oil, something

1555
01:23:37,800 --> 01:23:40,280
Speaker 1: that was expressly off the table just a couple weeks ago,

1556
01:23:40,320 --> 01:23:43,880
Speaker 1: and then was quickly rushed through without even stopping for consideration.

1557
01:23:44,600 --> 01:23:47,439
Speaker 1: The messaging on this isn't hard, guys. Bill Bird just

1558
01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:49,479
Speaker 1: laid it out on a platter for you. Your own

1559
01:23:49,479 --> 01:23:52,799
Speaker 1: pollsters have been begging Biden to lean into a populi

1560
01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:56,000
Speaker 1: liist message on inflation, calling out the corporate monopolies, price

1561
01:23:56,040 --> 01:23:59,080
Speaker 1: gouging and greed is a good mentality the people who

1562
01:23:59,120 --> 01:24:02,360
Speaker 1: are wrecking the word class. You even tiptoed up to

1563
01:24:02,360 --> 01:24:04,280
Speaker 1: it in your State of the Union address, and people

1564
01:24:04,360 --> 01:24:07,120
Speaker 1: like that speech. Fifty five percent approved of it. You

1565
01:24:07,240 --> 01:24:08,800
Speaker 1: even seem to get a little bump in the polls

1566
01:24:08,800 --> 01:24:11,240
Speaker 1: from that Biden. And now here we are back to

1567
01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:14,280
Speaker 1: putin the mastermind controlling everything from our presidential elections to

1568
01:24:14,320 --> 01:24:16,680
Speaker 1: the gas price in your local town, because that's a

1569
01:24:16,680 --> 01:24:19,000
Speaker 1: lot more comfortable than actually standing up to the donor

1570
01:24:19,000 --> 01:24:21,160
Speaker 1: glass and corporate power and the paid off shills like

1571
01:24:21,200 --> 01:24:23,760
Speaker 1: Mansion and Cinema in your own ranks. And guess what

1572
01:24:23,960 --> 01:24:27,000
Speaker 1: those people deserve to be named and shamed, because not

1573
01:24:27,040 --> 01:24:29,439
Speaker 1: only are they lying to you right now, they are

1574
01:24:29,479 --> 01:24:32,400
Speaker 1: propping up a rig system that pumps big oil with subsidies.

1575
01:24:32,520 --> 01:24:35,320
Speaker 1: May it hard for renewables to compete. AOC gets a

1576
01:24:35,320 --> 01:24:37,080
Speaker 1: lot of credit on me for me for getting this

1577
01:24:37,120 --> 01:24:39,719
Speaker 1: one right. And a recent thread, she wrote, many folks

1578
01:24:39,800 --> 01:24:42,120
Speaker 1: run around claiming to be free market capitalists, but what

1579
01:24:42,160 --> 01:24:44,960
Speaker 1: they actually are is captured market capitalists using subsidies and

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01:24:45,040 --> 01:24:47,880
Speaker 1: restrictive policy to hold us hostage to fossil fuels for

1581
01:24:48,040 --> 01:24:51,000
Speaker 1: profit healthcare and housing, etc. That many wouldn't choose if

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01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:53,559
Speaker 1: they had the choice. If you think gas is expensive now,

1583
01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:56,080
Speaker 1: she continues, imagine if we actually had to pay the

1584
01:24:56,160 --> 01:24:59,679
Speaker 1: true price without the insane government subsidies and favoring granted

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01:24:59,680 --> 01:25:02,479
Speaker 1: to them, If fossil fuel companies didn't have such tip

1586
01:25:02,520 --> 01:25:05,080
Speaker 1: scales for them, it's very likely we'd be much further

1587
01:25:05,120 --> 01:25:08,920
Speaker 1: along with cheaper alternatives. Indeed, as long as we're more

1588
01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:11,760
Speaker 1: likely to get the truth from comedians than the politicians

1589
01:25:11,800 --> 01:25:14,479
Speaker 1: who have real power and we're working class Americans will

1590
01:25:14,479 --> 01:25:16,760
Speaker 1: be left vulnerable to be preyed upon by our very

1591
01:25:16,880 --> 01:25:20,519
Speaker 1: own American oligarchs. And it just drives me crazy, like

1592
01:25:20,960 --> 01:25:24,200
Speaker 1: everyone is lying about what's going on, trying to support

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01:25:24,280 --> 01:25:26,280
Speaker 1: their own team. And if you want to hear my

1594
01:25:26,439 --> 01:25:29,840
Speaker 1: reaction to Crystal's monologue, become a premium subscriber today at

1595
01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:35,280
Speaker 1: Breakingpoints dot Com. All right, Tiger, what are you're looking at? Well?

1596
01:25:35,400 --> 01:25:37,760
Speaker 1: To preface this, I know there are more important things

1597
01:25:37,800 --> 01:25:39,600
Speaker 1: going on in the world, and so be honest, I

1598
01:25:39,640 --> 01:25:42,160
Speaker 1: wish the Congress had done something more useful, like banning

1599
01:25:42,160 --> 01:25:45,320
Speaker 1: a stock trading de ban, passing a nuclear energy new deal,

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01:25:45,520 --> 01:25:48,800
Speaker 1: doing something to alleviate gas prices, you know, anything else.

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01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:51,240
Speaker 1: But they didn't do that. So instead, through an act

1602
01:25:51,240 --> 01:25:55,559
Speaker 1: of legislative trickery, the Congress has done something colossally stupid,

1603
01:25:55,800 --> 01:25:58,840
Speaker 1: bending to a very vocal but wrong majority of the

1604
01:25:58,880 --> 01:26:01,759
Speaker 1: American people. So how you see, while nobody was looking,

1605
01:26:01,960 --> 01:26:06,439
Speaker 1: the Senate by something called unanimous consent past where nobody objects,

1606
01:26:06,439 --> 01:26:10,320
Speaker 1: passing the sub Sunshine Protection Act. It was introduced by

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01:26:10,360 --> 01:26:14,160
Speaker 1: Senator Marco Rubio and Senator Sheldon Whitehouse. The bill would

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01:26:14,280 --> 01:26:17,160
Speaker 1: end the current practice of clocks going back one hour

1609
01:26:17,200 --> 01:26:20,759
Speaker 1: to standard time every November and instead make our current

1610
01:26:20,840 --> 01:26:24,439
Speaker 1: time regimen permanent. The ostensible support of this is that

1611
01:26:24,520 --> 01:26:28,200
Speaker 1: Americans are tired of turning their clock back in the winter. Now,

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01:26:28,240 --> 01:26:30,800
Speaker 1: I guess if it's nineteen fifty five, I would have

1613
01:26:30,840 --> 01:26:33,799
Speaker 1: more sympathy for that argument. But if people are being honest,

1614
01:26:33,880 --> 01:26:35,880
Speaker 1: most people don't change their clocks. You just look at

1615
01:26:35,880 --> 01:26:39,479
Speaker 1: your phone and that does it automatically. The actual impetus

1616
01:26:39,520 --> 01:26:42,799
Speaker 1: behind this bill is that Florida Senator Marco Rubio wants

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01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:46,040
Speaker 1: to extend sunshine in the state of Florida in the

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01:26:46,080 --> 01:26:49,640
Speaker 1: winter months, not because of any rigged depression data that

1619
01:26:49,680 --> 01:26:52,360
Speaker 1: they claim, but because it would be better for Florida's

1620
01:26:52,360 --> 01:26:55,400
Speaker 1: tourism industry and thus the tax base of the entire state.

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01:26:55,880 --> 01:26:58,280
Speaker 1: I get that, I can empathize with it. The man

1622
01:26:58,360 --> 01:27:00,599
Speaker 1: is doing what he needs to be done for his people.

1623
01:27:00,760 --> 01:27:02,960
Speaker 1: But what about the rest of us. The good news

1624
01:27:03,000 --> 01:27:04,960
Speaker 1: is I already know the answer to that question. We

1625
01:27:05,080 --> 01:27:08,920
Speaker 1: have run this experiment before truly consider the consequences of

1626
01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:12,760
Speaker 1: permanent daylight savings time. If DST has made permanent sunrise

1627
01:27:12,800 --> 01:27:17,200
Speaker 1: in December over Manhattan would be after eight am. In Michigan,

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01:27:17,320 --> 01:27:20,960
Speaker 1: it would be in some places after nine am. That

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01:27:21,040 --> 01:27:24,800
Speaker 1: means that a massive portion of morning commute and more importantly,

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01:27:24,840 --> 01:27:29,320
Speaker 1: school commute hours would occur in pitch Black. Okay, let's

1631
01:27:29,320 --> 01:27:32,000
Speaker 1: take a look at this. In the nineteen seventies, a

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01:27:32,040 --> 01:27:36,240
Speaker 1: similar hasty move was made. Congress haphazardly made daylight savings

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01:27:36,360 --> 01:27:41,000
Speaker 1: term permanent, and guess what happened. Everybody hated it. As

1634
01:27:41,080 --> 01:27:43,720
Speaker 1: Josh Barrow points out, this New York Times article from

1635
01:27:43,760 --> 01:27:46,640
Speaker 1: the nineteen seventies shows what hell that it would be

1636
01:27:46,680 --> 01:27:49,360
Speaker 1: in the Northeast and in the Midwest under this regime.

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01:27:49,640 --> 01:27:52,120
Speaker 1: Ironically enough, some of the first people to lose their

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01:27:52,160 --> 01:27:55,240
Speaker 1: lives as a result of this policy were two Florida

1639
01:27:55,320 --> 01:27:59,240
Speaker 1: youngsters killed in January nineteen seventy three while walking to

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01:27:59,280 --> 01:28:02,599
Speaker 1: school in the black Shop owners described having to burn

1641
01:28:02,880 --> 01:28:06,479
Speaker 1: significantly more fuel oil and use more electricity to heat

1642
01:28:06,560 --> 01:28:10,000
Speaker 1: up their workplaces because sunrise was so late. Cities across

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01:28:10,000 --> 01:28:13,639
Speaker 1: the country had to spend tens of thousands of nineteen

1644
01:28:13,800 --> 01:28:16,840
Speaker 1: seventies dollars to make sure that all their school signs

1645
01:28:16,840 --> 01:28:19,920
Speaker 1: were reflective. The city of Memphis had to clad its

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01:28:20,040 --> 01:28:23,559
Speaker 1: kids in reflective tape to make sure that they were

1647
01:28:23,600 --> 01:28:25,960
Speaker 1: not hit on their commute so early in the morning.

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01:28:26,280 --> 01:28:28,280
Speaker 1: So why not just move the schools later, right, That's

1649
01:28:28,280 --> 01:28:30,800
Speaker 1: what everybody says. Well, they made that same argument in

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01:28:30,800 --> 01:28:33,880
Speaker 1: the nineteen seventies, and the response was, people have jobs,

1651
01:28:33,880 --> 01:28:36,679
Speaker 1: and it's not like start times for work very across seasons,

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01:28:36,680 --> 01:28:39,000
Speaker 1: and it would be hard on parents, maybe if you're

1653
01:28:39,000 --> 01:28:41,320
Speaker 1: a white collar worker, but not for working class folks,

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01:28:41,479 --> 01:28:44,680
Speaker 1: especially on chiff work. Within nine months of doing this

1655
01:28:44,760 --> 01:28:49,280
Speaker 1: idiotic policy, before Congress repealed the decision because people hated

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01:28:49,320 --> 01:28:52,200
Speaker 1: it so much. The regime of darkness in the morning

1657
01:28:52,320 --> 01:28:55,400
Speaker 1: was dangerous for kids. It made people depress to spend

1658
01:28:55,439 --> 01:28:58,519
Speaker 1: such long morning hours in the dark, and governors of

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01:28:58,560 --> 01:29:01,479
Speaker 1: the northeast and midwest stats States were the very first

1660
01:29:01,680 --> 01:29:04,640
Speaker 1: to beg for it to be over. Now, I know

1661
01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:08,160
Speaker 1: Russia is verboten these days, but they tried this too.

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01:29:08,280 --> 01:29:10,960
Speaker 1: In twenty twelve. Initial polling showed that it would be

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01:29:10,960 --> 01:29:15,520
Speaker 1: a success to adopt permanent summertime, and even in an autocratic,

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01:29:15,520 --> 01:29:19,760
Speaker 1: crunchy country like Russia. Putin had to reverse course, saying

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01:29:19,800 --> 01:29:22,559
Speaker 1: that he heard the concerns of those in Siberia and

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01:29:22,600 --> 01:29:25,840
Speaker 1: in northern Russia and that they would bring back standard time.

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01:29:26,240 --> 01:29:28,519
Speaker 1: Everybody says that they would like it, but that's just

1668
01:29:28,560 --> 01:29:31,280
Speaker 1: because the grass is always greener. On the other side,

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01:29:31,439 --> 01:29:35,120
Speaker 1: advocates for this policy have invented all sorts of fake arguments.

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01:29:35,400 --> 01:29:38,000
Speaker 1: Oh but did you know it causes health benefits because

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01:29:38,040 --> 01:29:40,439
Speaker 1: people have a spike in heart attacks when the clocks

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01:29:40,479 --> 01:29:44,559
Speaker 1: jump forward. Well, yeah, that's technically true, but as sleep

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01:29:44,600 --> 01:29:48,400
Speaker 1: scientist Matthew Walker has said, when clocks gain an hour,

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01:29:48,600 --> 01:29:51,200
Speaker 1: there is also a drop in heart attacks, which is

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01:29:51,200 --> 01:29:54,400
Speaker 1: basically commiserate. So in other words, it's a wash. The

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01:29:54,439 --> 01:29:56,960
Speaker 1: real problem is you people need to get more sleep,

1677
01:29:57,080 --> 01:29:59,880
Speaker 1: which is another common argument in favor of permanent daylight

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01:30:00,040 --> 01:30:03,719
Speaker 1: saving time. Oh but the clock's jumping around disrupts my sleep. Yes,

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01:30:03,840 --> 01:30:06,280
Speaker 1: that is true, very much in the short term, but

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01:30:06,439 --> 01:30:08,880
Speaker 1: okay for a day or two. Right. But, as legendary

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01:30:08,920 --> 01:30:12,800
Speaker 1: Stanford neuroscientist Andrew Huberman has laid out in his podcast,

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01:30:12,400 --> 01:30:15,280
Speaker 1: backed up by expertise from the National Institute of Health,

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01:30:15,600 --> 01:30:20,080
Speaker 1: viewing early sun right uninterrupted is vital to setting your

1684
01:30:20,080 --> 01:30:23,639
Speaker 1: circadian clock and helping you get better and healthier sleep

1685
01:30:23,720 --> 01:30:26,800
Speaker 1: at night. Any limitation of early sunlight, which is what

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01:30:26,840 --> 01:30:29,960
Speaker 1: this would do, intentionally limit one of the most vital

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Speaker 1: resources that exists in biology to all of you getting

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01:30:33,439 --> 01:30:36,280
Speaker 1: better sleep. Look, I get it, I don't work a

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01:30:36,360 --> 01:30:38,640
Speaker 1: nine to five job anymore, obviously, so I don't have

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Speaker 1: to suffer the indignity of getting out of work and

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01:30:40,600 --> 01:30:42,559
Speaker 1: it being pitch black. But I did it too for

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01:30:42,600 --> 01:30:45,840
Speaker 1: many years. The idea sounds nice to have a little

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01:30:45,840 --> 01:30:48,519
Speaker 1: bit more sun, but is it? As Huberman points out

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01:30:48,560 --> 01:30:50,400
Speaker 1: with this criticism was raised by whether there are health

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01:30:50,400 --> 01:30:53,320
Speaker 1: benefits then to the evening sun. If you're not getting

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01:30:53,360 --> 01:30:56,479
Speaker 1: morning light, the afternoon sun exposure will actually just keep

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01:30:56,520 --> 01:31:00,120
Speaker 1: you awake longer and further disrupt your sleep cycle. The

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01:31:00,200 --> 01:31:03,679
Speaker 1: truth is simple. Additional daylight in the morning during winter

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01:31:03,840 --> 01:31:06,439
Speaker 1: is better for you from a health perspective. It keeps

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01:31:06,479 --> 01:31:09,240
Speaker 1: children safe on their communes to school. It naturally sinks

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01:31:09,280 --> 01:31:12,000
Speaker 1: people's wake ups times to the sunrise. And look, does

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01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:14,360
Speaker 1: a four thirty sun set in the winter suck? Yeah?

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01:31:14,439 --> 01:31:16,600
Speaker 1: It sucks. Don't get me wrong. It's one of the

1704
01:31:16,640 --> 01:31:18,920
Speaker 1: things I hate most about living on the East Coast.

1705
01:31:19,120 --> 01:31:21,800
Speaker 1: It's cold, it's dark. You gotta drive or walk home,

1706
01:31:21,920 --> 01:31:24,040
Speaker 1: you gotta walk your dog with nine layers of clothes on.

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01:31:24,280 --> 01:31:26,439
Speaker 1: You mutter hello to your neighbors, and you're all clad

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01:31:26,479 --> 01:31:28,840
Speaker 1: and beanies and you can barely recognize each other. It's

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01:31:28,880 --> 01:31:32,040
Speaker 1: cold as black outside. But that's simply the reality of

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01:31:32,080 --> 01:31:34,320
Speaker 1: living up here on the East Coast or in the Midwest.

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01:31:34,600 --> 01:31:37,920
Speaker 1: Accept it, we've chosen it. Enjoy your morning sunrise and

1712
01:31:38,040 --> 01:31:40,640
Speaker 1: join me in fighting back against this ill considered and

1713
01:31:40,640 --> 01:31:43,920
Speaker 1: foolish legislation. Your kids' lives could actually depend on it.

1714
01:31:45,280 --> 01:31:48,320
Speaker 1: I feel very passionately about this. Look you know this too.

1715
01:31:48,479 --> 01:31:50,760
Speaker 1: I am not. And if you want to hear my

1716
01:31:50,880 --> 01:31:54,400
Speaker 1: reaction to Sager's monologue become a premium subscriber today at

1717
01:31:54,400 --> 01:31:59,680
Speaker 1: Breakingpoints dot Com. We mentioned this earlier, but we did

1718
01:31:59,720 --> 01:32:02,479
Speaker 1: have a big interview we're very excited about. They actually

1719
01:32:02,479 --> 01:32:05,280
Speaker 1: reached out to us. Yeah. I was shocked, like, yeah,

1720
01:32:05,360 --> 01:32:08,040
Speaker 1: James came in, Like John Surruppuance did come on. We

1721
01:32:08,080 --> 01:32:10,080
Speaker 1: thought he was literally I thought he was joking. Yeah.

1722
01:32:10,360 --> 01:32:11,880
Speaker 1: So and not only did he come on, we got

1723
01:32:11,920 --> 01:32:14,280
Speaker 1: to sit with him for thirty minutes. Let's go and

1724
01:32:14,320 --> 01:32:17,200
Speaker 1: put up. We have his show. We've got a little

1725
01:32:17,240 --> 01:32:18,960
Speaker 1: screen we can put up. It's called the Problem with

1726
01:32:19,040 --> 01:32:21,600
Speaker 1: John Stewart. I've been watching it pretty regularly. There it

1727
01:32:21,640 --> 01:32:23,479
Speaker 1: is a Problem with John Stewary. He's got a new

1728
01:32:23,680 --> 01:32:27,719
Speaker 1: season that has just started, and I think it's really excellent.

1729
01:32:27,760 --> 01:32:29,880
Speaker 1: The format is different from the Daily show. He kind

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01:32:29,880 --> 01:32:32,559
Speaker 1: of does like a daily show type monologue at the beginning.

1731
01:32:33,840 --> 01:32:36,519
Speaker 1: In my opinion, his political commentary is a little bit

1732
01:32:36,600 --> 01:32:38,880
Speaker 1: sharper than it used to be, which I appreciate. More

1733
01:32:38,960 --> 01:32:41,479
Speaker 1: nuanced too. He's had more time. Yeah, well that's true too.

1734
01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:44,720
Speaker 1: I mean it's not daily, so you have time to

1735
01:32:44,840 --> 01:32:47,920
Speaker 1: really sit with each topic. And then he pulls in

1736
01:32:48,120 --> 01:32:50,559
Speaker 1: then it gets very serious. He pulls in experts and

1737
01:32:50,600 --> 01:32:53,200
Speaker 1: has a panel discussion, and he goes and does these

1738
01:32:53,600 --> 01:32:57,400
Speaker 1: very hard hitting interviews with high level people, you know,

1739
01:32:57,439 --> 01:33:00,559
Speaker 1: whether it's Janet Yellen or Jamie Diamond. I think he

1740
01:33:00,680 --> 01:33:03,519
Speaker 1: especially shines when it comes to the economic topic. So anyway,

1741
01:33:04,160 --> 01:33:05,880
Speaker 1: we had a chance to sit with John Stewart. We're

1742
01:33:05,880 --> 01:33:07,840
Speaker 1: gonna play that interview for you now, and then on

1743
01:33:07,880 --> 01:33:09,639
Speaker 1: the other side, we're going to talk about some pieces

1744
01:33:09,640 --> 01:33:11,840
Speaker 1: that we wanted to get into but didn't have a chance.

1745
01:33:12,040 --> 01:33:14,639
Speaker 1: Let's take a look, all right, guys, I can hardly

1746
01:33:14,680 --> 01:33:17,760
Speaker 1: believe I am saying these words, but joining us now

1747
01:33:18,120 --> 01:33:21,120
Speaker 1: the former host of The Daily Show and the current

1748
01:33:21,360 --> 01:33:24,680
Speaker 1: host of the Problem with John Stewart, the one and

1749
01:33:24,680 --> 01:33:27,120
Speaker 1: only John Stewart. Welcome, Great to have you. Good to

1750
01:33:27,120 --> 01:33:30,320
Speaker 1: see you, sir. Oh, hold on, hold on, I'm about

1751
01:33:30,320 --> 01:33:36,120
Speaker 1: to make my entrance. There is Wow, a little bit

1752
01:33:36,160 --> 01:33:42,320
Speaker 1: older than I remember, very dramatic. Yeah, that was pretty good.

1753
01:33:42,720 --> 01:33:45,360
Speaker 1: So I really have genuinely been enjoying the show. We've

1754
01:33:45,360 --> 01:33:47,400
Speaker 1: actually talked about it here on Breaking Points a couple

1755
01:33:47,400 --> 01:33:51,320
Speaker 1: of times, but let's just start with you. Oh of course, Yeah,

1756
01:33:51,680 --> 01:33:54,439
Speaker 1: what was the sort of creative spark that led you

1757
01:33:54,520 --> 01:33:57,160
Speaker 1: to create this show and decide to come back into

1758
01:33:57,240 --> 01:34:02,640
Speaker 1: the media space at this time. I think it was

1759
01:34:02,960 --> 01:34:07,880
Speaker 1: that sense of having worked down in Washington. The Daily

1760
01:34:07,920 --> 01:34:12,200
Speaker 1: Show was kind of an exercise in catharsis an exercise

1761
01:34:12,400 --> 01:34:16,360
Speaker 1: in you know, sitting in your underwear yelling at the

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01:34:16,400 --> 01:34:22,160
Speaker 1: TV screen, and there was a certain impotent rage to it.

1763
01:34:22,200 --> 01:34:26,719
Speaker 1: But it also for my creative mind ran its course.

1764
01:34:26,760 --> 01:34:29,759
Speaker 1: I didn't. I wasn't quite sure how to evolve it anymore.

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01:34:30,439 --> 01:34:32,959
Speaker 1: I wasn't quite sure what else to do with it,

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01:34:33,080 --> 01:34:37,080
Speaker 1: and I don't, And it became I didn't want it

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01:34:37,120 --> 01:34:40,160
Speaker 1: to become a caricature or become rote and you don't

1768
01:34:40,160 --> 01:34:44,559
Speaker 1: want to stay somewhere just because they're letting you. And

1769
01:34:44,600 --> 01:34:47,160
Speaker 1: you can see now like the other folks that had

1770
01:34:47,160 --> 01:34:49,840
Speaker 1: been on it have worked and evolved it into these

1771
01:34:49,880 --> 01:34:52,720
Speaker 1: different forms that have been really cool to see, you know,

1772
01:34:53,040 --> 01:34:56,280
Speaker 1: Oliver and Trevor and Sam and like they've they've moved

1773
01:34:56,320 --> 01:34:59,760
Speaker 1: it and made it their voice, and that's kind of

1774
01:35:00,560 --> 01:35:06,040
Speaker 1: that's the creative process. But I couldn't. For me, I

1775
01:35:06,120 --> 01:35:09,320
Speaker 1: just I just needed to step away and kind of

1776
01:35:09,360 --> 01:35:15,360
Speaker 1: engage more in in the real world. And so after

1777
01:35:15,400 --> 01:35:21,920
Speaker 1: having done that and seeing how the halls of power

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01:35:24,600 --> 01:35:29,960
Speaker 1: have a relationship with their constituents. But it's not it's

1779
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:34,640
Speaker 1: not one that is necessarily grounded in their needs or

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01:35:34,680 --> 01:35:39,160
Speaker 1: the necessities or their reality. And so it stemmed from

1781
01:35:39,280 --> 01:35:42,760
Speaker 1: the idea of like, why is that gap so difficult

1782
01:35:43,520 --> 01:35:46,960
Speaker 1: to bridge? And it seems fucking simple, Like, to be

1783
01:35:46,960 --> 01:35:49,240
Speaker 1: honest with you, a lot of this stuff seems simple.

1784
01:35:49,280 --> 01:35:53,360
Speaker 1: So it was like, you know, the impetus of the

1785
01:35:53,360 --> 01:35:56,599
Speaker 1: show is just why not. You know, you'd have you'd

1786
01:35:56,640 --> 01:36:02,759
Speaker 1: have these constituencies with these very real and urgent issues.

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01:36:03,840 --> 01:36:10,120
Speaker 1: You'd have the stakeholders in those issues very articulately stating

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01:36:10,920 --> 01:36:16,080
Speaker 1: what their problem is or what their you know, what

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01:36:16,120 --> 01:36:18,800
Speaker 1: the process is or the perversion of that process, and

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01:36:18,840 --> 01:36:21,679
Speaker 1: then you have people who have an ability to affect

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01:36:21,800 --> 01:36:24,840
Speaker 1: change over that disconnected from it. So the idea for

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01:36:24,880 --> 01:36:28,680
Speaker 1: the show is sort of simple, which is, set the

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01:36:28,720 --> 01:36:31,880
Speaker 1: map on where the kind of corruption or perversion is

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01:36:31,920 --> 01:36:34,800
Speaker 1: and whatever issue we're talking about, let some of the

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01:36:34,840 --> 01:36:41,559
Speaker 1: stakeholders express how that corruption or perversion affects what they're

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01:36:41,560 --> 01:36:43,880
Speaker 1: trying to accomplish or affects their lives, and then try

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01:36:43,920 --> 01:36:45,960
Speaker 1: and talk to somebody who might have a sense of

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01:36:46,760 --> 01:36:50,120
Speaker 1: how you could overcome that or a position where they

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01:36:50,120 --> 01:36:52,400
Speaker 1: could affect it. It's really interesting to see you in

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01:36:52,439 --> 01:36:55,960
Speaker 1: the long winded Yeah, no, no, it's fine. We're on

1801
01:36:56,000 --> 01:36:57,719
Speaker 1: the podcast. You don't have to worry about the commercial

1802
01:36:57,720 --> 01:37:01,400
Speaker 1: breaks or whatever. We got limitless dive. That's what That's

1803
01:37:01,439 --> 01:37:04,639
Speaker 1: what I thought. That's right. What I enjoy is that

1804
01:37:04,920 --> 01:37:07,000
Speaker 1: while you were a source from me, whenever you were

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01:37:07,040 --> 01:37:08,960
Speaker 1: on the Daily Show, you would always famously say, like,

1806
01:37:09,000 --> 01:37:11,719
Speaker 1: I'm a comedian, I'm not delivering the news. But here

1807
01:37:11,840 --> 01:37:15,559
Speaker 1: you've really embraced both the comedy aspect, the explainer aspect,

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01:37:15,840 --> 01:37:19,080
Speaker 1: and then the news making interviews. So how has that

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01:37:19,160 --> 01:37:22,519
Speaker 1: kind of changed your not even calculus, but like the

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01:37:22,520 --> 01:37:24,960
Speaker 1: way that you guys come up with the constructs of

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01:37:24,960 --> 01:37:27,000
Speaker 1: the show. Because to sit down with the Bob Iger

1812
01:37:27,160 --> 01:37:29,160
Speaker 1: or to sit down with the Jamie Diamond, to sit

1813
01:37:29,200 --> 01:37:31,360
Speaker 1: down with the people that you are and to push

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01:37:31,400 --> 01:37:34,679
Speaker 1: them in a way that are the Secretary of Veterans Affairs,

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01:37:34,680 --> 01:37:37,120
Speaker 1: both those are not necessarily things that might have happened

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Speaker 1: in the previous era. And you've you've affected change. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think single handedly are responsible for the word burn

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01:37:43,040 --> 01:37:45,559
Speaker 1: pits being uttered by the President of the United States

1819
01:37:45,600 --> 01:37:47,599
Speaker 1: in the State of the Union. How is that? How

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01:37:47,640 --> 01:37:49,400
Speaker 1: have you reflected on that in the current in the

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01:37:49,400 --> 01:37:54,800
Speaker 1: context of the current show. Well, I don't know. So

1822
01:37:56,479 --> 01:37:58,799
Speaker 1: part of it is Daily Show made its money on volume.

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01:37:59,000 --> 01:38:01,360
Speaker 1: You know, we were there so you know, we had

1824
01:38:01,400 --> 01:38:04,479
Speaker 1: to do four shows a week, so you're you're always there,

1825
01:38:04,560 --> 01:38:08,040
Speaker 1: so you would have those types of interviews, but you

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01:38:08,080 --> 01:38:13,040
Speaker 1: would also have you know, the third lead on New Girl,

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01:38:13,560 --> 01:38:16,320
Speaker 1: and also somebody who wrote a book about how they

1828
01:38:16,360 --> 01:38:19,760
Speaker 1: built the Pentagon. So it was this wide variety of

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01:38:19,800 --> 01:38:22,680
Speaker 1: things where you'd have a you know, someone was asking me, well,

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01:38:22,800 --> 01:38:25,600
Speaker 1: you know, there's an earnestness to the show, and and

1831
01:38:25,880 --> 01:38:28,960
Speaker 1: how is that? And and I feel like the Daily

1832
01:38:29,000 --> 01:38:31,879
Speaker 1: Show was very earnest. You may have thought it was cynical,

1833
01:38:31,880 --> 01:38:35,560
Speaker 1: but it wasn't. It was more pathetically earnest and idealistic.

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01:38:36,120 --> 01:38:39,080
Speaker 1: The only difference is we would have a correspondent deliver

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01:38:39,200 --> 01:38:43,040
Speaker 1: that earnestness with archness. They would they would approach it

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01:38:43,080 --> 01:38:47,200
Speaker 1: from the arch position, and then I would say that

1837
01:38:47,400 --> 01:38:51,639
Speaker 1: sounds crazy, you know, I would be the the mirror

1838
01:38:52,080 --> 01:38:56,400
Speaker 1: to say to the person who was delivering an arch premise,

1839
01:38:56,640 --> 01:39:02,640
Speaker 1: but that sounds like it's backwards. Well wow, so you know,

1840
01:39:04,040 --> 01:39:05,760
Speaker 1: we had a lot of people on the show back

1841
01:39:05,840 --> 01:39:08,680
Speaker 1: when I was doing it that were newsmakers, from Rumsfeldt

1842
01:39:08,680 --> 01:39:12,880
Speaker 1: to Sibelius to Pelosi to all these people that were

1843
01:39:13,040 --> 01:39:19,680
Speaker 1: Judith Miller. But I think it got in the in volume.

1844
01:39:20,640 --> 01:39:23,439
Speaker 1: It's forgiving in one sentence in that when you fuck

1845
01:39:23,520 --> 01:39:25,320
Speaker 1: up a show or you're not doing it well, or

1846
01:39:25,400 --> 01:39:28,280
Speaker 1: you know, you can come back and take another crack

1847
01:39:28,320 --> 01:39:34,559
Speaker 1: at it the next day. But also everything blended together

1848
01:39:34,720 --> 01:39:38,840
Speaker 1: and kind of a stream of it, there becomes a

1849
01:39:38,880 --> 01:39:44,160
Speaker 1: certain meaninglessness to Volume. Yeah, all it is is it

1850
01:39:44,240 --> 01:39:46,680
Speaker 1: just plays into the churn. Yeah, no, we totally get it.

1851
01:39:46,680 --> 01:39:48,479
Speaker 1: I mean we experienced that. I don't know if you

1852
01:39:48,520 --> 01:39:51,000
Speaker 1: know our trajectory at all, but we were this show

1853
01:39:51,080 --> 01:39:53,200
Speaker 1: used to be at the Hill and it was five

1854
01:39:53,280 --> 01:39:56,720
Speaker 1: days a week, and we've taken as independent and intentionally

1855
01:39:56,880 --> 01:39:59,360
Speaker 1: scaled it back to three days a week. Because Yeah,

1856
01:39:59,400 --> 01:40:01,240
Speaker 1: you just get in the cycle where you're like, you

1857
01:40:01,320 --> 01:40:04,840
Speaker 1: realize you're talking about stories that you don't actually really

1858
01:40:04,880 --> 01:40:07,960
Speaker 1: care about, that you don't actually really think are great

1859
01:40:08,040 --> 01:40:11,360
Speaker 1: use of the audience's time. You're hosting guests that you're like,

1860
01:40:11,520 --> 01:40:14,280
Speaker 1: this person's not really adding anything to the conversation. So

1861
01:40:14,520 --> 01:40:16,200
Speaker 1: for us, three days a week has been a good

1862
01:40:16,200 --> 01:40:17,960
Speaker 1: sweet spot in terms of being able to we do

1863
01:40:17,960 --> 01:40:20,479
Speaker 1: a daily monologue, each of us think about have a

1864
01:40:20,520 --> 01:40:22,479
Speaker 1: topic that we have time to get invested in. So

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01:40:22,560 --> 01:40:25,400
Speaker 1: I definitely hear that. I wanted to ask you. You've

1866
01:40:25,400 --> 01:40:27,680
Speaker 1: got a great new episode out on the media. We

1867
01:40:27,720 --> 01:40:29,320
Speaker 1: do a lot of media critique here as well, so

1868
01:40:29,360 --> 01:40:31,280
Speaker 1: I want to dig into that a little bit more.

1869
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Speaker 1: But one of my favorite episodes that you did was

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01:40:34,439 --> 01:40:37,599
Speaker 1: on the economy, and you took a part the sort

1871
01:40:37,640 --> 01:40:41,920
Speaker 1: of like moral panic over socialism and also really pointed

1872
01:40:41,920 --> 01:40:44,280
Speaker 1: out that guess what, guys, we have a lot of

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01:40:44,280 --> 01:40:47,240
Speaker 1: socialism for the rich. It's only when it's you know,

1874
01:40:47,320 --> 01:40:49,479
Speaker 1: to benefit the working class that suddenly we have these

1875
01:40:49,520 --> 01:40:53,000
Speaker 1: moral panics. And it just struck me watching that episode

1876
01:40:53,479 --> 01:40:58,120
Speaker 1: that the critique and the commentary was, to my ears,

1877
01:40:58,200 --> 01:41:01,840
Speaker 1: a little bit sharper, a little bit more pointed than

1878
01:41:01,880 --> 01:41:04,120
Speaker 1: from the Daily Show era. And first of all, I

1879
01:41:04,160 --> 01:41:06,679
Speaker 1: wonder if you agree with that, and if you feel

1880
01:41:06,720 --> 01:41:11,479
Speaker 1: like your politics have evolved or changed over the interim

1881
01:41:11,560 --> 01:41:13,639
Speaker 1: since you were, you know, last doing the Daily Show.

1882
01:41:18,040 --> 01:41:22,559
Speaker 1: I mean, I think my politics are relatively consistent. It's that.

1883
01:41:24,320 --> 01:41:26,680
Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, you could have lifted that and I

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01:41:26,720 --> 01:41:31,519
Speaker 1: probably did. The socialism for corporations to pit directly from

1885
01:41:31,560 --> 01:41:33,599
Speaker 1: the Daily Show. Again, I think it's got to do

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01:41:33,760 --> 01:41:38,120
Speaker 1: with having a little bit more time to craft something

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01:41:38,840 --> 01:41:40,680
Speaker 1: that can be a little bit more specific and a

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01:41:40,680 --> 01:41:43,680
Speaker 1: little bit more surgical. I think when you're you know,

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01:41:44,320 --> 01:41:47,360
Speaker 1: comedy in general, and especially as I wielded, it is

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01:41:47,680 --> 01:41:52,880
Speaker 1: pretty reductive. Just in general, it's, you know, comedy is

1891
01:41:52,920 --> 01:41:56,880
Speaker 1: a distillation of a variety of biases and prejudices into

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01:41:57,000 --> 01:42:02,799
Speaker 1: a you know, a kind of a catch all bucket.

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01:42:03,160 --> 01:42:07,599
Speaker 1: And so I think for this it was about trying

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Speaker 1: to deconstruct the narrative of what is considered socialism. It's

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Speaker 1: the idea that for a certain status quo population in America,

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Speaker 1: an entitlement is just basically shit you don't need, and

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Speaker 1: a stimulus is shit you need that you think is important.

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Speaker 1: And so it's trying to make that point that if

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Speaker 1: you look at the status quo mainstream distillation of our

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Speaker 1: economic policy, we have this identity. The show always tries

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Speaker 1: to exist in the difference between what the image of

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Speaker 1: something is versus the room where that image is planned.

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Speaker 1: The meeting where they design that image. Sometimes it's purposeful,

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Speaker 1: sometimes it's by happenstance. Sometimes it's malevolent. Sometimes it's just

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Speaker 1: blind spots and ignorance, but it's it's looking at that

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Speaker 1: and it's pretty clear that the image of the United

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Speaker 1: States as a beacon of free market capitalism, where the

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Speaker 1: government doesn't choose winners and losers and just this leis

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Speaker 1: a fair and visible hand creates the wealth. This is,

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Speaker 1: this is how God intended money to be made, is

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Speaker 1: a fabrication and a fallacy. And I think the whole

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Speaker 1: point of the episode was to show that as specifically

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Speaker 1: as we could, and to show that it's all a manipulation.

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Speaker 1: It's just a question of where the powers that be

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Speaker 1: decide to put the emphasis in that moment. Yep. I

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Speaker 1: think that's a really important point. You know. I remember

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Speaker 1: thinking so much during the Trump era, whenever we had

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Speaker 1: to react to some of the insanity. I was like, man,

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Speaker 1: I wish John Stewart was around during Russiagate and some

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Speaker 1: more So, to get to watch this episode was like

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Speaker 1: a cathartic experience because I remember thinking how important it

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Speaker 1: would have been to have you around at that time

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Speaker 1: and I think the biggest problem, John, which you allude to, is, look,

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Speaker 1: you know, I would have come to your house by

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Speaker 1: the way, I would be Yeah, you just should have

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Speaker 1: called me how to come to your house. I could

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Speaker 1: have had me around. I wish I could have sat

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Speaker 1: on the couch with you and watch TV. My mom

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Speaker 1: would have been thrilled. Now, but when I think about it,

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Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, Okay, Fox is bad, right wing media

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Speaker 1: is bad. We agree, you know, but the so many

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Speaker 1: of the same characteristics, the intertwinement of the administration, talking points,

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Speaker 1: building up narratives, and as you point to in your

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Speaker 1: interview with Bob Iiger, is it's not just that the

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Speaker 1: media is covering fear. It's that by their ridiculous and

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Speaker 1: selective coverage, they're influencing the trajectory of policy and of

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Speaker 1: politics in this country. Is just as easily applied to

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Speaker 1: so much of what whatever the corporate liberal media industrial complex,

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Speaker 1: as much as it is on the right, John, Why

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Speaker 1: is it so difficult to get the people in that

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Speaker 1: complex to understand it? You know, having come from a

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Speaker 1: more conservative background, I can tell you a lot of

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Speaker 1: people at Fox. They know what's up, they know what

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Speaker 1: they're doing. But the people of the Washington Posts and

1945
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Speaker 1: the New York Times, they truly believe they're doing the

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Speaker 1: Lord's work exposing all of this, and they don't even

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Speaker 1: see their own, like their own role in so much

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Speaker 1: of the system that they're helping to perpetuate. That's why

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Speaker 1: I always found your covered so valuable. It is just

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Speaker 1: skewering of everybody, which I think is where most the

1951
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Speaker 1: majority of the country is. They hate it all, all

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Speaker 1: of it well. So one of the difficulties of the

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Speaker 1: nihilism that should describe yeh is I think you have

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Speaker 1: to understand it's about incentives and mechanisms right and the

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Speaker 1: mechanism and incentivizing for right wing conservative media is different

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Speaker 1: from the mechanism and incentivizing for what you would consider

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Speaker 1: mainstream than left wing media. So yes, it's not about

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Speaker 1: a pox on all your houses. It's about criticism of

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Speaker 1: or examining each thing as its own separate entity, but

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Speaker 1: being as clear headed and smart about what you believe

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Speaker 1: to be. It's about looking at things on a different polarity,

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Speaker 1: whereas the mainstream media has set up kind of this

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Speaker 1: dynamic of right versus left because it's producible and it's

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Speaker 1: a good source of conflict, and it's reductive enough that

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Speaker 1: it's you can repeat it. I mean, the one thing

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Speaker 1: you guys know about making content is it's one thing

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Speaker 1: to be able to make it. It's another thing to

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Speaker 1: be able to make it all the time, every day consistently.

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Speaker 1: And that's their job. They're on the air twenty four

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Speaker 1: hours day, seven days a week, or you have talk radio,

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Speaker 1: or you have all these other things that have to

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Speaker 1: be producible. And so producibility is an enormous foundational principle

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Speaker 1: of the dynamic of right and left. What we're trying

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Speaker 1: to do is look at it from a principle of

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Speaker 1: corruption versus integrity or noise versus clarity. Don't always obviously

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Speaker 1: achieve that, but that's the goal. So you know, when

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Speaker 1: you say something like the right wing media, yeah, that's bad,

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Speaker 1: but the left wing media is bad too, it's not

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Speaker 1: a question of them both being bad. It's a question

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Speaker 1: of what is one trying to achieve, what's the incentive

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Speaker 1: behind what they're trying to achieve, and how are they

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Speaker 1: going about achieving it. And I do think there's a

1983
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Speaker 1: big difference between what CNN does and what MSNBC does,

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Speaker 1: and I think there's a big difference between what all

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Speaker 1: of them do and what the right wing media sphere

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Speaker 1: is much more directed and much more politically aligned and entwined.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you saw that after January sixth. The text

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Speaker 1: message is back and forth. We're between the President of

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Speaker 1: the United States and his handlers and Hannity and Ingram

1990
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Speaker 1: and you know, the right, the right wings media is

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Speaker 1: a much stronger arm of a political movement. That is true.

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Speaker 1: And although I do want to say, I mean, CNN

1993
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Speaker 1: just got caught in a big scandal where the president

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Speaker 1: of the network and his mistress were are stand accused of,

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Speaker 1: you know, helping Governor Cuomo at the height of his popularity,

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Speaker 1: coordinating talking points, having him be interviewed directly by his

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Speaker 1: brother in prime time. Jensaki is now being floated as

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Speaker 1: a new host at either CNN or MSNBC. Simone Sanders,

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Speaker 1: who was constractor for the Vice president, is at MSNBC.

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Speaker 1: So I'm not sure that there's a lot of much

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Speaker 1: political detachment. Yeah, but there's revolving doors. And it's what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying is the coordination. You can't have it on

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Speaker 1: the left because the left is a much more fractious coalition.

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Speaker 1: What I'm saying is their bias tends more towards sensationalism,

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Speaker 1: right and easy narrative, and it's not relentlessly focused on

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Speaker 1: achieving political aims. They're just not, and if they are,

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Speaker 1: they're really bad at it. And I would say the

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Speaker 1: example you have about Chris Cuomo and Andrew Cuomo is

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Speaker 1: much more about protecting one of their own than it

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Speaker 1: is about protecting a political movement. That it had a

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Speaker 1: lot more to do with nepotism and the cozy relationship

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Speaker 1: between those industries than it did about, you know, trying

2013
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Speaker 1: to advance medicare for all. You know the right wing

2014
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Speaker 1: media is about and you've seen them have to flip

2015
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Speaker 1: now when you look at their coverage of Russia and Ukraine. Right,

2016
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Speaker 1: So Russia is much more or politically aligned with our

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Speaker 1: political right. They're defenders of They're an orthodox Christian state,

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Speaker 1: defenders of Western value. So there was great kind of

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Speaker 1: common purpose with our right wing media. And then this

2020
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Speaker 1: guy goes like full Hitler and everybody's got a backtrack,

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Speaker 1: But the fact remains that there is a lot of

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Speaker 1: common cause in their sort of politics. Does that make sense.

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Speaker 1: So I'm not suggesting that left wing media is the

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Speaker 1: same as mainstream media is the same as right wing media.

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Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is you have to be able

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Speaker 1: to critique them for what they are and not put

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Speaker 1: them all in the same pot. And it's not both

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Speaker 1: sides arism to do. Yeah, and there's one well, there

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Speaker 1: was one piece of that that you pointed to you

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Speaker 1: there with regards to the Cuomo scandal that I think

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Speaker 1: is correct, which it was much more about. You know,

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Speaker 1: Zucker was interested in getting the governor of New York,

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Speaker 1: who was this big political star at the moment, sort

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Speaker 1: of elusive to his network. It was great for ratings

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Speaker 1: to have this little like casual back and forth with

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Speaker 1: his brother where they're joking about swabbing each other's noses

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Speaker 1: or talking about mom spaghetti dinner or whatever. So there

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Speaker 1: was a money and corruption and nepotism angle there ultimately,

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Speaker 1: And that was one piece that I felt like was

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Speaker 1: a little bit left out of the episode that you

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Speaker 1: did on the media because you talk a lot about

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Speaker 1: the pressure for sensationalism for ratings, you know, anchors getting

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Speaker 1: the minutes by minute by minutes and seeing, okay, these

2044
01:51:31,320 --> 01:51:34,479
Speaker 1: stories you know, climate change is un sexy, but you

2045
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Speaker 1: know Russiagate is very sexy. So we're going to lead

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Speaker 1: with it every single night, and the walls are closing

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Speaker 1: in and all of that. But I do think part

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Speaker 1: of the problem is that sort of coziness, in that

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Speaker 1: clubbishness where they're all in the same circle as the

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Speaker 1: very people whose feet they're supposed to be holding to

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Speaker 1: the fire. So that's how you end up with a

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Speaker 1: situation like Governor Quomas wasn't just CNN. Everybody was lionizing

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Speaker 1: these guys, this guy at the same time that there

2054
01:51:58,640 --> 01:52:01,840
Speaker 1: were real questions about the handling of nursing homes, about

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01:52:01,880 --> 01:52:04,840
Speaker 1: the liability corporate liability shield that he was helping to

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Speaker 1: usher through that was used as a model by Republicans,

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Speaker 1: and all of that was ignored because they were all

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Speaker 1: sort of in the same social circles, and it's uncomfortable

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01:52:15,120 --> 01:52:17,960
Speaker 1: to hold people that you know and consider as peers

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Speaker 1: to account. Oh yeah, I mean yeah, you're dead. You're

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Speaker 1: dead on there. And I've said that to everybody who

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Speaker 1: works here, and I said it to everybody to Daily Show,

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01:52:28,200 --> 01:52:30,840
Speaker 1: which is when we all leave this show, look around

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01:52:30,880 --> 01:52:33,920
Speaker 1: this room, because these will be your only remaining friends.

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Speaker 1: You know, we don't we we we can't have we

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Speaker 1: can't have colleagues. And you know that that cozy relationship

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Speaker 1: and everybody depending on each other for their for their livelihoods,

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Speaker 1: and that revolving door is an enormous issue. And it's

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Speaker 1: why the you know, White House correspondence issue should be

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01:52:55,520 --> 01:52:58,120
Speaker 1: taken out in the back and were sent to a

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01:52:58,160 --> 01:53:03,400
Speaker 1: farm upstate, like the idea that because you can't do

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Speaker 1: your job while protecting access and feelings. Yes, ever, and

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Speaker 1: and I think it's an enormous problem, But I think

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Speaker 1: beyond that problem, you have to look at the dynamics

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01:53:18,960 --> 01:53:22,280
Speaker 1: of how they're incentivized to make them money. Look, there

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Speaker 1: are people there that get bonuses for ratings right on

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Speaker 1: the news, and so that naturally incentivizes it. Salaries are

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Speaker 1: based on if you can drive a better demographic. So

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Speaker 1: those are all the kinds of things that and they're

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01:53:38,760 --> 01:53:44,559
Speaker 1: they're competing for a narrower and narrower audience. And I

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01:53:44,600 --> 01:53:46,479
Speaker 1: think if you drill down with almost any of them,

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01:53:46,520 --> 01:53:49,240
Speaker 1: they don't think that. Look, I'll give you an example.

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Speaker 1: The way that they're covering Ukraine is bold. It's braves immediate.

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Speaker 1: A lot of times, it's thoughtful, a lot of times

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Speaker 1: it's illuminating, and it's heartbreaking, not just for what they're

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Speaker 1: going through but for having to be on the front

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01:54:16,080 --> 01:54:19,880
Speaker 1: lines of something so dangerous. But what it reminds you

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Speaker 1: is there's a different model to do all this. What

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Speaker 1: it does is point out the superficiality and the general

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Speaker 1: tediousness and triteness of the majority of their coverage. Yes,

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Speaker 1: because it's not along the lines of now, let's bring

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Speaker 1: on Van Jones and Rick Santorum to tell us how

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01:54:44,080 --> 01:54:47,840
Speaker 1: to put Ukraine into perspective. They're not using the right

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01:54:47,920 --> 01:54:53,360
Speaker 1: left polarity. They're using right wrong, They're using corruption integrity. Now,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't mean that some of it isn't manipulated, and

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01:54:56,240 --> 01:55:00,960
Speaker 1: some of it isn't redundant and over done. But what

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Speaker 1: it shows is there's another way to do this that's compelling,

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Speaker 1: that is insightful and within their grasp that they have

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Speaker 1: the tools. And that's all we're asking for is cover

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Speaker 1: it in a manner that is illuminating and not obfuscating.

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Speaker 1: Because generally when you buy into the two team paradigm

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Speaker 1: there and they do and they do it differently, right

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Speaker 1: and left in mainstream you're buying into a false dichotomy

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Speaker 1: and one that clouds the conversation and doesn't you know so,

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Speaker 1: I when you look at that, it's hard to imagine, Well,

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Speaker 1: if you've got the capacity to do it this way,

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Speaker 1: why aren't we doing everything this way? I think a

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Speaker 1: lot of it is a just current system system thinking

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Speaker 1: sold that. O'Brien actually pointed that in your episode whenever

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Speaker 1: Chrystal and I started our show, actually a lot of

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Speaker 1: what you said resonated with me. Whenever you told the

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Speaker 1: day of the Comedy Central guys, you're like, let me

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Speaker 1: do what I want and if you're not, you can

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Speaker 1: fire me. Everybody told us the covering the news in

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Speaker 1: a class first, in a non partisan way was not

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Speaker 1: going to work. They're like, nobody cares, it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: Good luck all of this, you know. Now it's what

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Speaker 1: number one or whatever in the news category on Spotify,

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Speaker 1: which is not connected to a corporate media organization. Now everyone,

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Speaker 1: But this is the point, though, which is that nobody

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Speaker 1: wants to take that leap of things. Nobody wants to

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Speaker 1: try and within that framework, it's not going to happen.

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Speaker 1: At the most systematic level, but it's actually something I

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Speaker 1: wanted to ask you, which is that you are one

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Speaker 1: of those people who's not going to cut anybody slack

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Speaker 1: in an interview. Yet you got Jamie Diamond to sit

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Speaker 1: down with you, you got Bob Iger to sit down

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Speaker 1: with you, you got the Secretary of Veterans Affairs to

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Speaker 1: sit down with you. What is the model then for

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Speaker 1: people like us who are kind of coming up in

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Speaker 1: your footsteps because we find this problem. John Politician wants

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Speaker 1: to come on, but he wants to talk for five

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Speaker 1: minutes and stick to whatever's bullshit Bill is. It's like, no,

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Speaker 1: that's not how it works here. And then they say, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'll go to CNN, I'll go to MSNBC, I'll go

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Speaker 1: talk to the New York Times. You actually successfully broke

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Speaker 1: through that barrier. How do the people who are coming

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Speaker 1: up do the same thing, or is it even possible

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Speaker 1: to have the same level of household ID or whatever

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Speaker 1: that you have from coming up in legacy media in

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Speaker 1: the two thousands of the nineteen nineties. Well, first of all,

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Speaker 1: your goal can't be household ID. Well, it's not that

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Speaker 1: not to be clear to get their big interview too. Well,

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01:57:37,040 --> 01:57:40,720
Speaker 1: but again even that what your goal should be is

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Speaker 1: to get really good at diagnosing what are the corrupting

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Speaker 1: or corroding influences in whatever story. It's about becoming a

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Speaker 1: weather man for bullshit, for figuring out how is this

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Speaker 1: system incentivized for negative outcomes or how is the system

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Speaker 1: incentivized to keep the status quo in power at the

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Speaker 1: expense of you know, you know, disenfranchised communities or communities

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Speaker 1: with less power. It's about power dynamics more than anything else.

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Speaker 1: And it's about learning how those work and being able

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Speaker 1: to diagnose them and being able to articulate them in

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Speaker 1: a really clear way. And if you do that, and

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Speaker 1: if you become a really expert at that, and then

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01:58:28,480 --> 01:58:34,080
Speaker 1: you develop a constituency. And that constituency has value to

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01:58:34,200 --> 01:58:39,520
Speaker 1: salespeople and politicians are salespeople at heart. And if you

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Speaker 1: have a constituency that they feel is an important one

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Speaker 1: or that they feel will have consequences for them in

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Speaker 1: a negative way, even if it's shame or if it's uplift,

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Speaker 1: if you develop that, then you can't be ignored because

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Speaker 1: you I mean, that's that's the right wing media model.

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Speaker 1: You develop this constituency that can't be ignored. My point

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Speaker 1: is develop it in a way that's honest, and that

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Speaker 1: is looking at systems, not in a political way or

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Speaker 1: a partisan way, but not being ignorant that those are

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Speaker 1: the dynamics which can affect change. But make your arguments

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Speaker 1: urgently and smartly about the dynamics of situations and nuance

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Speaker 1: and call out corrupted arguments wherever you find them, and

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Speaker 1: that helps you build a constituency. That's what it is,

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Speaker 1: is earning your editorial authority. And if you earn that,

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Speaker 1: then you can use that to get access to do

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Speaker 1: those things. But if your access is based on obsequiousness,

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Speaker 1: or if your access is based on the care you

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Speaker 1: will take for that person's you know, fragile status quo

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Speaker 1: world like, that's useless. It does no good and you

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Speaker 1: don't need the access. You can do your the jobs

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Speaker 1: you guys do you can do without access. Certainly we

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Speaker 1: do it every day, fortunately have Tom. Let me ask

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Speaker 1: you this we talking about do you think that the

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Speaker 1: cable news model is salvagable because you know, I even

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Speaker 1: think about the Ukraine War, which you said, like you

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Speaker 1: feel really good about the coverage and they're doing you know,

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Speaker 1: right versus wrong versus right, versus Left. But you know,

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Speaker 1: at the same time, the worst humanitarian crisis on the

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Speaker 1: planet is happening in Yemen right now. They don't find

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Speaker 1: that good for ratings. It's also inconvenient for their friends

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Speaker 1: and politicians because Saudi is one of our allies versus

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Speaker 1: Russia's one of our adversaries. Or you could look at

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Speaker 1: the Afghan where there was a lot of focus when

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Speaker 1: we were finally after twenty years with drawing our troops,

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Speaker 1: and now that you know, our freeze on that central

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Speaker 1: the Afghan government's reserves is helping to spark a mass

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Speaker 1: humanitarian crisis and famine, suddenly there's no coverage to be found.

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Speaker 1: So given the fact that there is such sort of

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Speaker 1: like selective coverage, all based on what's good for ratings,

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Speaker 1: what's good for their friends and whatever political circles that

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Speaker 1: you know they're frequenting, is it possible to change the

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Speaker 1: cable news model to be more edifying without just creating

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Speaker 1: an entirely alternative ecomedia system. You just did it. You

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Speaker 1: you just did it. You just explained how to do it.

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Speaker 1: But don't you have to change the incentives? How do

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Speaker 1: you change the incentives? Because right now it's not about

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Speaker 1: the individual people. You know, there's a certain type of

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Speaker 1: person that thrives in cable news because they're willing to

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Speaker 1: sort of accept the system as it is. But it's

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Speaker 1: really not about the individual people. It's about this system

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Speaker 1: that's ratings driven, that's access to your driven in that's

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Speaker 1: day twenty four hour news coverage driven. So can you

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Speaker 1: change that really fundamentally without sort of changing that structure altogether.

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Speaker 1: So I guess I don't buy the premise that if

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Speaker 1: you were to cover Yemen responsibly and give it the

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Speaker 1: attention that it deserves for the humanitarian crisis in Afghanistan,

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Speaker 1: that you would suffer that your ratings would be, that

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Speaker 1: your ratings would be the problem. Now, there may be fluctuations,

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Speaker 1: but it's already an incredibly small, narrow group of people,

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Speaker 1: and it's designed by Nielsen, which is from like the

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Speaker 1: forties and fifties, So it's a nonsense rating system to

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Speaker 1: begin with, so to be judging important stories. The larger

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Speaker 1: problem for news organizations is they are really good at

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Speaker 1: singular focus. So when you have an event that matches

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Speaker 1: the magnitude of their news gathering firepower, that confluence works

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Speaker 1: really well. But The truth is they should be able

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Speaker 1: to cover all those things. You're dead on right about Afghanistan,

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Speaker 1: the high dudgeon that everybody took about the mistakes that

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Speaker 1: were made in those two weeks. You're like, where the

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Speaker 1: fuck have you been? You know, And maybe if we

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Speaker 1: had covered it with the kind of aggressiveness that it

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Speaker 1: had deserved from the beginning, we wouldn't have been there

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Speaker 1: for as long as we were. That we would have

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Speaker 1: a different foreign policy that didn't rely on destroying countries

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Speaker 1: and then being their social safety net for the next

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Speaker 1: fifteen to twenty years as we try and rebuild them

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Speaker 1: to the point where they're friendly enough to us that

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Speaker 1: nineteen people in a basement in Hamburg couldn't plan an attack.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the whole thing is nonsensical from the get go.

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Speaker 1: But that being said, these companies make their money on

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Speaker 1: carriage fees, like Fox News makes almost two billion dollars

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Speaker 1: a year, not just for ratings, but on they make

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Speaker 1: carriage fees. That makes carriage fees, doesn't make the kind

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Speaker 1: of carriage fees that they do. So why do you

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Speaker 1: think then, if it's not a ratings issue, If it's

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Speaker 1: not a ratings issue, why don't they cover what's going

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Speaker 1: on in them, for example, because I would submit and

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Speaker 1: tell me if you think that, I'm not basier. It's

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Speaker 1: it's chauvinism, but it's you know this, what's going on

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Speaker 1: in Ukraine is okay for them to talk a lot

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Speaker 1: about because not only is it good for ratings, but

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Speaker 1: it's also Russia is one of our adversaries, so we're

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Speaker 1: not going against one of our allies. But in Afghanistan,

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Speaker 1: you know, now it's the Taliban in charge, and so

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Speaker 1: we can't be you know, seed to be nice to them.

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Speaker 1: And with regards to Yemen, Saudi's one of our big allies.

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Speaker 1: They have a lot of you know, money in this

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Speaker 1: town and all over the country, and a lot of

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Speaker 1: ties to political leaders here. So it seems to me

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Speaker 1: that that's a part of how they choose what to

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Speaker 1: cover and what to go all in on, no question,

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Speaker 1: no question. I mean, it's you know, the Saudi's are

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Speaker 1: considered an ally. I mean, it's it's very hard to

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Speaker 1: think of that regime as anything other than murderous, especially

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Speaker 1: after Kashogi and and those kinds of things. It's a

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Speaker 1: repressive regime certainly, but I think the other thing that

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Speaker 1: we have to talk about is what the people of

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Speaker 1: Ukraine look like. They look like us, yep, and Muslims

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Speaker 1: are scary and that world is primitive and Africa is

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Speaker 1: primitive and those worlds. I mean, they've they've said it.

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Speaker 1: Trevor did an unbelievable bit on this which was, you know,

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Speaker 1: a lot of news reporters going, you don't expect to

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Speaker 1: see this kind of construction their blonde haired and blue

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Speaker 1: eyed the sea they watch Netflix. Yeah, exactly. So I

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Speaker 1: think you're you're dealing with a lot of look biases

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Speaker 1: and prejudice are rife in everything. The question is getting

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Speaker 1: us to overcome the blind spots, getting us to to

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Speaker 1: you know, not have that. And I've sort of described

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Speaker 1: it all the time as an eight year old. Eight

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Speaker 1: year old's playing soccer. There's a ball and everybody runs

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Speaker 1: to it and no one else is on the field,

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Speaker 1: Like hold your positions in other places to give people

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Speaker 1: a better perspective on everything that's going on in the world.

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Speaker 1: And it's not like it can't be done. Yeah, it

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02:06:28,960 --> 02:06:31,520
Speaker 1: can be done, and I think it can be done

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Speaker 1: to profitability. Now, will it be the billion dollars that

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Speaker 1: CNN makes off their carriage fees and things. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: but it'll be fucking profitable and if you get the

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Speaker 1: right people involved to it, it'll be dynamic. And it's

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Speaker 1: about telling stories and telling them. Well yeah, yeah, well

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Speaker 1: we agree with you, and people are hungry for you know,

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Speaker 1: real sort of unvarnish, as you put it, uncorrupted, you know,

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Speaker 1: attempts to sort through what is a complicated and nuanced world.

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Speaker 1: So thank you, John for your time again. Go ahead, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was just gonna say one more thing. Ye ways,

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Speaker 1: when you talk about that, the thing that people always

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Speaker 1: wonder is that doesn't mean it's not visceral, exact emotion, right, Yes,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't. It's not like let's all come together. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's just you know, one of the things that inspired

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Speaker 1: us from the Daily Show that we tried to bring

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Speaker 1: into this show is your willingness to, you know, to

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Speaker 1: just look at the landscape and point out the absurdities

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Speaker 1: wherever they were. And the other thing that we really

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Speaker 1: have tried to embrace here is engagement. That's probably the

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Speaker 1: most controversial part of our show, to be honest with you,

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Speaker 1: So thank you for that model. Guys watch the show.

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Speaker 1: Is the problem with John Stewart, We've got a nice

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Speaker 1: little graphic we can put up there on the screen.

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Speaker 1: It really is worth your I've gotten a lot out

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Speaker 1: of the show. I think the new model has a

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Speaker 1: lot to recommend it. So thank you for your time today.

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Speaker 1: We were grateful. Thanks John. It was a great honor.

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Speaker 1: And everybody go subscribe to podcast. Thanks man, oh, thank you,

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Speaker 1: keep up the keep up the great work guys. Thank

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Speaker 1: you sir, doing our best. Thanks John. So there you

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Speaker 1: have it, the one and only John Stewart. Clearly we

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Speaker 1: had some disagreements with him, and there were actually more

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02:08:23,440 --> 02:08:25,680
Speaker 1: disagreements that we had with him that there just wasn't

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02:08:25,760 --> 02:08:28,280
Speaker 1: like time and space. He didn't have enough time. He

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02:08:28,400 --> 02:08:30,800
Speaker 1: was a tight schedule. So yeah, but you know, one

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02:08:30,880 --> 02:08:32,640
Speaker 1: of the things I would love to spend thirty with

2319
02:08:32,960 --> 02:08:36,840
Speaker 1: minutes with him just on the Ukraine war coverage, right

2320
02:08:37,240 --> 02:08:40,320
Speaker 1: because I kind of didn't want to go all in

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Speaker 1: on like debating whether they've done a good job or not,

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02:08:44,040 --> 02:08:46,440
Speaker 1: and so we focus more on just like well why

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02:08:46,440 --> 02:08:48,480
Speaker 1: do they cover this one so much and not these

2324
02:08:48,560 --> 02:08:51,000
Speaker 1: other things, which I think is an important piece. But

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Speaker 1: you know, i'd love to talk to him about what

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Speaker 1: he thinks of the clip we played here today of

2327
02:08:56,120 --> 02:08:59,440
Speaker 1: the media only pressing the Biden administration in the direction

2328
02:08:59,520 --> 02:09:03,280
Speaker 1: of war, the direction of escalation, the way that you know,

2329
02:09:03,320 --> 02:09:06,280
Speaker 1: the American people have been very poorly informed about what

2330
02:09:06,680 --> 02:09:09,440
Speaker 1: a no fly zone would ultimately mean, which is reflected

2331
02:09:09,480 --> 02:09:11,360
Speaker 1: in polling that shows that if you just say, hey,

2332
02:09:11,360 --> 02:09:13,280
Speaker 1: no fli zone, people are like, yes, let's do it.

2333
02:09:13,560 --> 02:09:15,320
Speaker 1: And when you're like, if it means World War three,

2334
02:09:15,320 --> 02:09:18,440
Speaker 1: They're like, no, let's definitely not do that. So those

2335
02:09:18,440 --> 02:09:20,680
Speaker 1: were some areas I would love to also get into

2336
02:09:20,720 --> 02:09:23,280
Speaker 1: with her. Yeah, I think, you know, the one problem

2337
02:09:23,280 --> 02:09:25,480
Speaker 1: I had with what he was saying, he's still not

2338
02:09:25,520 --> 02:09:28,240
Speaker 1: willing to really stick it to the mainstream, if that

2339
02:09:28,280 --> 02:09:31,120
Speaker 1: makes sense. I almost feel like his uh, because I

2340
02:09:31,160 --> 02:09:33,120
Speaker 1: was talking about the party apparatus and he was, you know,

2341
02:09:33,640 --> 02:09:36,880
Speaker 1: wasn't quite willing to compare like the total integration of

2342
02:09:36,920 --> 02:09:41,360
Speaker 1: the Democratic Party or elite liberalism, particularly with MSNBC in

2343
02:09:41,400 --> 02:09:43,880
Speaker 1: the way that he is with Fox like he seemed.

2344
02:09:44,000 --> 02:09:46,480
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, and I say this with respect, but

2345
02:09:46,600 --> 02:09:48,520
Speaker 1: that is a two thousands view of the world. Like

2346
02:09:48,560 --> 02:09:50,200
Speaker 1: I think that that is a view of the world

2347
02:09:50,640 --> 02:09:53,840
Speaker 1: through which the Iraq War happened and of which his

2348
02:09:53,920 --> 02:09:56,120
Speaker 1: most formative year. So I get it. I get where

2349
02:09:56,120 --> 02:09:58,200
Speaker 1: he's coming from, but I just think things have changed

2350
02:09:58,640 --> 02:10:01,200
Speaker 1: dramatically in that fusion. I thought about this for a

2351
02:10:01,200 --> 02:10:03,160
Speaker 1: long time after the air of View, because he was

2352
02:10:03,200 --> 02:10:07,880
Speaker 1: basically like, it's qualitatively different. Fox News is an organ

2353
02:10:08,040 --> 02:10:10,560
Speaker 1: of the Republican Party in the way in a way

2354
02:10:10,600 --> 02:10:15,480
Speaker 1: that MSNBC and CNN aren't of the Democratic Party. Now,

2355
02:10:15,520 --> 02:10:18,000
Speaker 1: first of all, you know, as we pointed out, like

2356
02:10:18,360 --> 02:10:22,680
Speaker 1: you clearly have a lot of very similar interconnectedness is

2357
02:10:22,720 --> 02:10:25,080
Speaker 1: something we've covered on our show. There's the cuomos, and

2358
02:10:25,280 --> 02:10:27,640
Speaker 1: you know, we're learning more and more about how directly

2359
02:10:27,640 --> 02:10:30,920
Speaker 1: we were involved with him and indirectly pushing back against

2360
02:10:31,160 --> 02:10:34,120
Speaker 1: right Simone Sanders. You've got Jen Saki, so you have

2361
02:10:34,280 --> 02:10:37,000
Speaker 1: those overlaps. But I did think about it. I think

2362
02:10:37,040 --> 02:10:39,760
Speaker 1: there is a little bit of a distinction there in

2363
02:10:39,880 --> 02:10:44,280
Speaker 1: terms of Fox News really was built to be a

2364
02:10:44,360 --> 02:10:49,280
Speaker 1: sort of like Republican Party booster, and it is very direct,

2365
02:10:49,400 --> 02:10:55,160
Speaker 1: like they have direct partisan aims. CNN and MSNBC, first

2366
02:10:55,160 --> 02:10:59,040
Speaker 1: they were just billed as like money making venture. I

2367
02:10:59,280 --> 02:11:01,480
Speaker 1: had a cool vision in the beginning in the beginning,

2368
02:11:01,640 --> 02:11:05,360
Speaker 1: and the SNBC fell into this liberal framework because that

2369
02:11:05,520 --> 02:11:09,600
Speaker 1: was what sold right Keith Olberman was successful other things.

2370
02:11:09,640 --> 02:11:12,600
Speaker 1: Everything else that they were doing was basically failing sore, like, oh,

2371
02:11:12,640 --> 02:11:16,520
Speaker 1: this is our thing. But I don't think it's fair

2372
02:11:16,600 --> 02:11:21,240
Speaker 1: to say they don't have like ideological aims. Their original

2373
02:11:21,320 --> 02:11:25,160
Speaker 1: goals aren't directly like we're here to support the Democratic Party,

2374
02:11:25,240 --> 02:11:28,440
Speaker 1: even though that ends up being effectively what they do.

2375
02:11:29,120 --> 02:11:33,480
Speaker 1: But they have very much an ideological mission, which is

2376
02:11:33,520 --> 02:11:37,720
Speaker 1: this particular liberal view of the world that they think

2377
02:11:37,840 --> 02:11:41,480
Speaker 1: is just the world. They don't really see the ideology

2378
02:11:41,520 --> 02:11:45,160
Speaker 1: of it, even though if you're us standing on the outside, like,

2379
02:11:45,280 --> 02:11:48,080
Speaker 1: it's very clearly an ideological and I was trying to

2380
02:11:48,120 --> 02:11:49,600
Speaker 1: point that out to him. I don't think it was

2381
02:11:49,600 --> 02:11:51,840
Speaker 1: becoming clear. Like I said, I think some of this

2382
02:11:52,000 --> 02:11:55,200
Speaker 1: is just colored by living and I get it, like

2383
02:11:55,480 --> 02:11:57,600
Speaker 1: having scarred and all that. But the world changed a

2384
02:11:57,600 --> 02:11:59,400
Speaker 1: lot in the last you know, even five six years

2385
02:11:59,480 --> 02:12:02,280
Speaker 1: or whatever since that the Daily Show has gone off,

2386
02:12:02,320 --> 02:12:05,120
Speaker 1: and I found that to be probably the biggest point

2387
02:12:05,120 --> 02:12:07,920
Speaker 1: of contention and disagreement that I think that we had

2388
02:12:07,960 --> 02:12:11,280
Speaker 1: with him around like how the operating systems of those

2389
02:12:11,320 --> 02:12:15,280
Speaker 1: networks exactly work about there was just I feel like

2390
02:12:15,880 --> 02:12:19,320
Speaker 1: more graciousness towards them than they frankly deserve. Well, and

2391
02:12:19,360 --> 02:12:24,400
Speaker 1: here's the thing is, like, you know, his solution was

2392
02:12:24,440 --> 02:12:27,520
Speaker 1: basically like, well, they could just do better, you know,

2393
02:12:27,680 --> 02:12:29,920
Speaker 1: just like putting it on the individuals basically like, no,

2394
02:12:29,960 --> 02:12:33,080
Speaker 1: they could just do better. Yeah, like the ratings, the

2395
02:12:33,160 --> 02:12:35,920
Speaker 1: ratings incentives don't have to push them in this direction.

2396
02:12:36,440 --> 02:12:40,440
Speaker 1: It's really just about them making better choices. And I

2397
02:12:40,600 --> 02:12:43,480
Speaker 1: just that I fundamentally disagree with you. I agree. I mean,

2398
02:12:43,560 --> 02:12:48,000
Speaker 1: there's no way, of course, the individuals in that system

2399
02:12:48,240 --> 02:12:50,400
Speaker 1: have agency, which is why we're tough on some of

2400
02:12:50,440 --> 02:12:52,640
Speaker 1: the individuals and the system. They choose to be there.

2401
02:12:52,680 --> 02:12:54,360
Speaker 1: They choose to cover it the way they do. They

2402
02:12:54,600 --> 02:12:58,000
Speaker 1: choose to cherry pick, they choose to propagandize, they choose

2403
02:12:58,040 --> 02:13:01,320
Speaker 1: to lie at times. Like all of those things are true,

2404
02:13:01,800 --> 02:13:04,560
Speaker 1: but it's also true that if you don't do those things,

2405
02:13:04,680 --> 02:13:06,840
Speaker 1: you're gonna get chewed up and spit out by the

2406
02:13:06,840 --> 02:13:10,800
Speaker 1: system that exists right now. The incentives in cable news

2407
02:13:10,840 --> 02:13:13,240
Speaker 1: and the structure of cable news is what it is.

2408
02:13:13,480 --> 02:13:15,920
Speaker 1: There's no rescuing it by having like, well, if we

2409
02:13:16,040 --> 02:13:18,880
Speaker 1: just got better people in and they made better choices. No,

2410
02:13:19,080 --> 02:13:22,480
Speaker 1: because the whole reason that this group of people is

2411
02:13:22,600 --> 02:13:26,200
Speaker 1: there and being propped up and elevated is because they

2412
02:13:26,240 --> 02:13:29,280
Speaker 1: play well with the system as it exists. So as

2413
02:13:29,360 --> 02:13:32,840
Speaker 1: long as this is the landscape driven by corporate ad money,

2414
02:13:33,640 --> 02:13:38,520
Speaker 1: ratings driven infotainment, broken into these little atomized chunks where

2415
02:13:38,560 --> 02:13:40,640
Speaker 1: you can never have any sort of nuanced and thoughtful

2416
02:13:40,680 --> 02:13:46,600
Speaker 1: discussion dependent on access for your career process is the key. Yeah,

2417
02:13:47,720 --> 02:13:51,480
Speaker 1: and also the clubbiness that exists now between journalists and

2418
02:13:51,640 --> 02:13:53,680
Speaker 1: the people that they're covering the fact that these are

2419
02:13:53,720 --> 02:13:56,840
Speaker 1: their friends and this is their social circle. Like until

2420
02:13:56,880 --> 02:14:00,000
Speaker 1: you change that, you are never You could change all

2421
02:14:00,040 --> 02:14:01,800
Speaker 1: all of the people that are in the current system,

2422
02:14:01,880 --> 02:14:04,760
Speaker 1: and you would just come out with an almost identical product.

2423
02:14:04,800 --> 02:14:07,800
Speaker 1: They're all interchangeable one And I think that actually that's

2424
02:14:07,840 --> 02:14:09,560
Speaker 1: the one area that I did agree with a lot

2425
02:14:09,600 --> 02:14:11,280
Speaker 1: with him. Whereas he was like, you have to accept

2426
02:14:11,320 --> 02:14:13,240
Speaker 1: that you can't have colleagues. This was hard to accept

2427
02:14:13,240 --> 02:14:15,360
Speaker 1: in the beginning. Yeah, we were like, man, we're pissing

2428
02:14:15,400 --> 02:14:16,840
Speaker 1: a lot of people off. Feels like I pissed this

2429
02:14:16,920 --> 02:14:18,960
Speaker 1: guy off, you know, my phone rings and pissed this

2430
02:14:19,040 --> 02:14:21,760
Speaker 1: person off. But the more the audience showed up. I

2431
02:14:21,840 --> 02:14:23,640
Speaker 1: was like, it's worth it, you know, It's worth to

2432
02:14:23,720 --> 02:14:27,600
Speaker 1: burn these bridges that you spend years creating in order

2433
02:14:27,640 --> 02:14:30,600
Speaker 1: to show people how it all works. And it doesn't

2434
02:14:30,600 --> 02:14:32,160
Speaker 1: make a lot of people in this town happy. It

2435
02:14:32,160 --> 02:14:34,080
Speaker 1: can make you a pariah. I mean, it can make

2436
02:14:34,120 --> 02:14:36,480
Speaker 1: you ignored, which is what we've effectively become. Even as

2437
02:14:36,520 --> 02:14:38,800
Speaker 1: the as the show gets bigger, it's inverse to its

2438
02:14:38,840 --> 02:14:41,280
Speaker 1: success in the circles of power, if that makes sense.

2439
02:14:41,520 --> 02:14:43,920
Speaker 1: And he understood that is he told his writers. He's like,

2440
02:14:44,120 --> 02:14:46,520
Speaker 1: you can't have friends, you will not have colleagues. It's

2441
02:14:46,560 --> 02:14:49,240
Speaker 1: just us. It's us against all of them. That's very

2442
02:14:49,320 --> 02:14:52,240
Speaker 1: much mentality that I found and accept from him. Another

2443
02:14:52,480 --> 02:14:54,440
Speaker 1: area that I was trying to probe him on was

2444
02:14:55,160 --> 02:14:57,360
Speaker 1: how do you get these interviews? You know, because the

2445
02:14:57,600 --> 02:14:59,640
Speaker 1: biggest problem that we have is that, yeah, some people

2446
02:14:59,680 --> 02:15:01,320
Speaker 1: want to but then I want to talk about this

2447
02:15:01,400 --> 02:15:03,360
Speaker 1: and want to talk about their BS bill or I

2448
02:15:03,840 --> 02:15:06,240
Speaker 1: only ask senator only has five minutes. It's for you.

2449
02:15:06,280 --> 02:15:08,120
Speaker 1: I don't care. You know, I'm not seeing in here.

2450
02:15:08,160 --> 02:15:11,040
Speaker 1: I don't need you necessarily, you need my access to

2451
02:15:11,080 --> 02:15:14,320
Speaker 1: the audience. So then it becomes a matter of how

2452
02:15:14,320 --> 02:15:16,800
Speaker 1: do you establish so much credibility as he does that

2453
02:15:16,880 --> 02:15:19,480
Speaker 1: people feel like they have to sit down right, Well,

2454
02:15:19,640 --> 02:15:22,240
Speaker 1: that's kind of where we're at, right. I also wonder because,

2455
02:15:23,040 --> 02:15:25,360
Speaker 1: for example, and you brought this up in the interview

2456
02:15:25,560 --> 02:15:29,000
Speaker 1: he interviews via secretary of Dennis mcdu right, right, very

2457
02:15:29,080 --> 02:15:31,880
Speaker 1: uncomfortable interview. Oh yoh man, I mean John. I was like,

2458
02:15:31,880 --> 02:15:34,440
Speaker 1: I don't care what you think. John is very like

2459
02:15:35,120 --> 02:15:38,560
Speaker 1: nice in these interviews, but he's also does not let

2460
02:15:38,600 --> 02:15:43,080
Speaker 1: people off the hook. And you saw that with Dennis McDonough,

2461
02:15:43,080 --> 02:15:44,560
Speaker 1: you saw it with Janet Yellen, you saw it with

2462
02:15:44,640 --> 02:15:48,440
Speaker 1: Jamie Diamond. I mean, he really comes in very prepared.

2463
02:15:48,760 --> 02:15:51,240
Speaker 1: This is again the advantage of doing a show that's

2464
02:15:51,320 --> 02:15:53,960
Speaker 1: periodic that you don't have to perform on a daily basis,

2465
02:15:53,960 --> 02:15:56,320
Speaker 1: So he could spend the time to really research and

2466
02:15:56,360 --> 02:15:59,320
Speaker 1: digging in on these topics and prepare well for these

2467
02:15:59,360 --> 02:16:03,320
Speaker 1: high level and I also think with the show still

2468
02:16:03,320 --> 02:16:08,920
Speaker 1: being relatively new, like Dennis McDonough had no idea that

2469
02:16:08,960 --> 02:16:11,839
Speaker 1: this was what he was getting into. When John Stewart

2470
02:16:11,880 --> 02:16:15,680
Speaker 1: asked for an interview, this guy's a comedian. He sees

2471
02:16:15,760 --> 02:16:17,680
Speaker 1: him as being like, oh, he's like on our team.

2472
02:16:17,960 --> 02:16:20,640
Speaker 1: He used to crap all over Fox. Yeah, like this

2473
02:16:20,680 --> 02:16:24,000
Speaker 1: is one of our people, right. I wonder if he's

2474
02:16:24,040 --> 02:16:27,600
Speaker 1: going to continue to have that kind of access as

2475
02:16:28,200 --> 02:16:30,760
Speaker 1: more of these interviews are done and these high level

2476
02:16:30,800 --> 02:16:34,560
Speaker 1: officials realize that this is not going to be a cakewalk.

2477
02:16:34,600 --> 02:16:37,000
Speaker 1: You are going to be held to account and you

2478
02:16:37,040 --> 02:16:38,880
Speaker 1: are going to have your feet held to the fire.

2479
02:16:38,920 --> 02:16:42,760
Speaker 1: Because I think he has really delivered. That's been one

2480
02:16:42,800 --> 02:16:46,360
Speaker 1: of the most impactful parts of this show is these

2481
02:16:46,400 --> 02:16:49,040
Speaker 1: interviews that he's done, and he is really good at it.

2482
02:16:49,080 --> 02:16:52,680
Speaker 1: And you can tell that what he told us about

2483
02:16:52,720 --> 02:16:55,920
Speaker 1: you can't have friends and you can't go in caring

2484
02:16:55,920 --> 02:16:58,440
Speaker 1: about whether this person will ever speak to you again,

2485
02:16:59,160 --> 02:17:01,760
Speaker 1: you can see in the interviews that he really actually

2486
02:17:02,040 --> 02:17:05,600
Speaker 1: follows that policy because he doesn't. Again, it's not ugly.

2487
02:17:05,920 --> 02:17:08,520
Speaker 1: It's not like, you know, yelling at people just for

2488
02:17:08,560 --> 02:17:11,920
Speaker 1: the sake of like yelling at them. But they're very tough,

2489
02:17:12,040 --> 02:17:14,840
Speaker 1: and they're very well informed, and they're very uncomfortable for

2490
02:17:14,840 --> 02:17:16,720
Speaker 1: the interview. And he still has choke points. I mean,

2491
02:17:16,760 --> 02:17:19,519
Speaker 1: the guy works for Apple technically, right, like they distribute

2492
02:17:19,600 --> 02:17:21,560
Speaker 1: his show. I mean, it's funny because I saw him

2493
02:17:21,600 --> 02:17:23,440
Speaker 1: interviewing Bob Iger, and I was like, I know that

2494
02:17:23,440 --> 02:17:26,000
Speaker 1: Bob Iger has a deep relationship with Apple. There was

2495
02:17:26,040 --> 02:17:28,120
Speaker 1: a deep going back all the way to the Jobs,

2496
02:17:28,360 --> 02:17:30,240
Speaker 1: the Steve Jobs era. You know, they almost would have

2497
02:17:30,280 --> 02:17:33,039
Speaker 1: combined their companies in terms of Disney and Apple. So

2498
02:17:33,040 --> 02:17:35,360
Speaker 1: when I see this stuff, I'm like, you know, like

2499
02:17:35,640 --> 02:17:37,600
Speaker 1: if he pushes him a little bit too hard, these

2500
02:17:37,600 --> 02:17:40,879
Speaker 1: guys still all have friends like all around town. I

2501
02:17:41,000 --> 02:17:42,760
Speaker 1: just am thankful for the way that we set up

2502
02:17:42,760 --> 02:17:45,240
Speaker 1: our business so that that doesn't even exist. Because at

2503
02:17:45,240 --> 02:17:47,240
Speaker 1: the level that he's operating at, I mean, they will

2504
02:17:47,320 --> 02:17:49,720
Speaker 1: use everything to try and destroy you. So that was

2505
02:17:49,760 --> 02:17:52,480
Speaker 1: another That was another question I had written out for

2506
02:17:52,560 --> 02:17:55,120
Speaker 1: him that I didn't get to ask, was the decision

2507
02:17:55,160 --> 02:17:58,320
Speaker 1: to go with Apple versus going independent, because clearly here's

2508
02:17:58,320 --> 02:18:00,320
Speaker 1: a guy who has a following, who has money. I

2509
02:18:00,400 --> 02:18:04,320
Speaker 1: think we're yeah, very very easily, and then you don't

2510
02:18:04,320 --> 02:18:07,879
Speaker 1: have any corporate pressure above you because so far, the

2511
02:18:07,920 --> 02:18:10,400
Speaker 1: thing that he's gotten the most pushback on his show

2512
02:18:10,440 --> 02:18:14,640
Speaker 1: were the comments he made about Rogan Rogan and that

2513
02:18:14,760 --> 02:18:17,720
Speaker 1: was extremely controversial, and then he had to do another

2514
02:18:17,760 --> 02:18:21,440
Speaker 1: episode talking like with misinformation experts that was like, frankly

2515
02:18:21,440 --> 02:18:24,640
Speaker 1: a little bit cringe. But you know, that made me

2516
02:18:24,800 --> 02:18:30,680
Speaker 1: think about how he has similar vulnerability with Apple as

2517
02:18:30,800 --> 02:18:35,160
Speaker 1: Rogan now has with Spotify, and so even some of

2518
02:18:35,200 --> 02:18:38,520
Speaker 1: his stuff that he's said now on Russiagate, I mean,

2519
02:18:38,560 --> 02:18:42,320
Speaker 1: he's critical of Russiagate, he's critical of the dismissal of

2520
02:18:42,480 --> 02:18:45,640
Speaker 1: the lab leak theory. Well, it's kind of okay to

2521
02:18:45,720 --> 02:18:49,400
Speaker 1: say those things now, but I wonder if he would

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Speaker 1: have been able to say them at the time when

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Speaker 1: public opinion was so far on the side of if

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Speaker 1: you're even talking about lab leak, not only you wrong,

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Speaker 1: you're racist. I can imagine, you know, a similar, like

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Speaker 1: very aggressive cancelation campaign against him with regard to to

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Speaker 1: Apple and really bringing some pressure on him. So in

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Speaker 1: any case, it was a really interesting conversation. I was

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Speaker 1: really exciting to get to talk to John. I think

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Speaker 1: his new show is really really worthwhile. I recommend it

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Speaker 1: to you guys, and more grateful for him taking the time. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: thank you guys so much for watching. We really appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: As we said, look, one of the things we talked

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Speaker 1: about with John was about how to build a future

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Speaker 1: media company. I think we've really settled on it. It's

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Speaker 1: a tough time right now in order to do business

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Speaker 1: on the web. I'm already shaking. I'm like, are they

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Speaker 1: going to take us down today for playing a clip

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Speaker 1: of Putin in English? Even though it's tech. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's the news and we have to show people. The

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Speaker 1: only way that we can be one hundred percent percent

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Speaker 1: censorship proof is because of your guys' support. We think

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Speaker 1: about you all the time. We sent that John Stewart

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Speaker 1: out in interview out to our premium subscribers early. You

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Speaker 1: guys are always top of mind because you give us

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Speaker 1: the confidence to whether any storm whatever may come. So

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Speaker 1: by yes, indeed, and I think we've never felt that

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Speaker 1: more than we feel it right now. You know, it's

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Speaker 1: very difficult to sort through all this information. It's very

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Speaker 1: difficult to feel like you can present it without worrying

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Speaker 1: about what the consequences are. I mean, they're reaching back

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Speaker 1: to Ede Shultz into the grave to label him and

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Speaker 1: cancel him. So there is a true climate of hysteria

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Speaker 1: right now. So thank you guys for supporting us and

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Speaker 1: making sure that we don't have to ever worry about that.

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Speaker 1: Have a wonderful weekend, and we'll see you back here

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Speaker 1: next week.