Speaker 1: Good morning, Cat, how are you. I'm good. I'm good.
Speaker 1: I've had my cup of coffee this morning. I am
Speaker 1: ready overachiever. And yet you're still talking to me. They're
Speaker 1: paying me to talk to you. And that's true, that's true.
Speaker 1: Sealed up in a box, vot yes, blanket for it
Speaker 1: for the wind. I think this is just where I live. Now.
Speaker 1: You should get a camera outside the blanket for I
Speaker 1: want to see like you know, all the times you
Speaker 1: like bang your head on the top or like an
Speaker 1: elbow goes awry, and you should see this like amorphous
Speaker 1: shape inside your house bobbing around, just a ghost under
Speaker 1: the ghost under the cover is just waiting. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: better time to dive right in. On that note, welcome
Speaker 1: back everyone, Thank you for tuning in for listening to
Speaker 1: my silly voice and Cat's lovely voice. Today we are
Speaker 1: going to be talking about season one, episode five, Musho
Speaker 1: to Go Lots Happens. Very excited to dive in. It
Speaker 1: aired February nine, just after My birthday two thousand and sixteen.
Speaker 1: Was written by adapted from the books by Cassie Claire,
Speaker 1: written by Ed Dector and Angel Deane Lopez, directed by
Speaker 1: Kelly Making starring lots of us, all of us basically,
Speaker 1: but importantly, the first time that we get to meet
Speaker 1: Nicola is this episode? Correct? Right, Yeah, I'm not wrong.
Speaker 1: It is the first, and Cat tell us what we're
Speaker 1: in store for. So side note, um, I love mush
Speaker 1: you both the dish and the Disney character. Just felt
Speaker 1: like that needed to go in the universe. Just shout out. Also, logline,
Speaker 1: things go awry when Alec watches Clary. Tensions escalate between Alex.
Speaker 1: I mean, are there any surprises here? Not at all.
Speaker 1: Tensions escalate between Alec and Clary, but when Jason Isabelle
Speaker 1: are sent on an intel mission to the Sea Leaves
Speaker 1: by Maris Lightwood, Alec is put in charge of keeping
Speaker 1: Clary safe, much to both of their chagrin. With his
Speaker 1: heart as Nail's mother back in town and Clary's rule
Speaker 1: breaking tendencies, Alec finds himself struggling to stick to the
Speaker 1: Clave's rules while keeping his promise to Jace. Meanwhile, the
Speaker 1: New York City where wolf Pack begins their hunt for
Speaker 1: Clary and the Mortal Cup dot dot dot. I feel
Speaker 1: like in this episode, as we dive into the shadow
Speaker 1: world more, it's Clary's just go and look, I didn't
Speaker 1: even know I was a shadow hunter. Everybody's hunting me now.
Speaker 1: I don't even know how to handle it. Thank goodness
Speaker 1: for the shadow Hunters. Yeah, it's an ex aspirating episode
Speaker 1: five for sure, lots goes on. My favorite. This is
Speaker 1: one of my favorite episodes because we get to see
Speaker 1: like Parkour Simon Spider Simon for the first time, you know,
Speaker 1: and I'm super excited to unpack that later. And I
Speaker 1: know Alberto will talk about this when we got him on,
Speaker 1: but he is such a physical being anyway that I
Speaker 1: know he was very excited to start jumping off stuff
Speaker 1: and climbing and ripping doors off the hinges and so
Speaker 1: on and so forth. So with no guilding the lily
Speaker 1: and absolutely no further ado whatsoever, let's dive on in
Speaker 1: so a couple of fun facts. We touched on this
Speaker 1: last time when we were teasing this episode. But we
Speaker 1: shot this episode in July, which, as we know, it
Speaker 1: was a very warm month in Toronto. We know specifically
Speaker 1: that it was a very we we had no air
Speaker 1: conditioning in the studio at the time, so we were
Speaker 1: navigating quite a few things, which we'll get into in
Speaker 1: some of the later scenes. We're sure. Well. There to
Speaker 1: two episodes that I remember being this bad temperature wise,
Speaker 1: was this one and then in the belly of the
Speaker 1: container ship that fight, Oh my god, around the same
Speaker 1: time of year. Actually, I think that was also around
Speaker 1: the same time of year. Also with No A C.
Speaker 1: That was the big issue. Just this one was bad,
Speaker 1: the one in the belly of the ship. I was
Speaker 1: sweating so much that day, and the temperature was so
Speaker 1: hot that I couldn't tell I was sweating anymore because
Speaker 1: the sweat was coming out of my body the same
Speaker 1: temperature as outside. So they were like, we have to stop,
Speaker 1: we have to wipe you down, and I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: not sweating, and They're like, you are sweating. You're sweating
Speaker 1: a whole way. It's like dripping off you. And Shadow
Speaker 1: answers as we found out we're not supposed to sweat.
Speaker 1: That's true. I remember we had this discussion very It
Speaker 1: was actually this episode that we had this discussion. Alec
Speaker 1: and Clary have a scene where they are training and
Speaker 1: they sort of spar in the institute, and at this
Speaker 1: time our institute set had you know, it's meant to
Speaker 1: be within the church, but they had put glass walls
Speaker 1: on the inside of the church walls, and they used
Speaker 1: to put the lights on the outside of the glass,
Speaker 1: so you have these giant movie lights. And for those
Speaker 1: of you at home who have not been on a
Speaker 1: movie set, the lights that we use are quite large,
Speaker 1: very bright, and as such quite warm. So if you
Speaker 1: put a bright light on the outside of glass, if
Speaker 1: you've ever put you know, a magnifying glass to the
Speaker 1: sun in the summer on the sidewalk and seeing what
Speaker 1: how concentrated the light can get and the heat, um,
Speaker 1: that's very much the environment we were in. That's what
Speaker 1: it felt like for sure. That's it's funny that you mentioned.
Speaker 1: I'm in my pjs, by the way, it's just so
Speaker 1: everyone can see I'm in sort of an all in one.
Speaker 1: Satin Cat is really representing us in the costume department
Speaker 1: on this podcast. But it's funny that you mentioned, because
Speaker 1: that's what I was going to say, is like, you know,
Speaker 1: when we walked on set, it felt like ants meat,
Speaker 1: magnifying glass, this is going to be your day. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: and it was even to the point where the cameras
Speaker 1: stopped working it got so hot. When Matt and I
Speaker 1: were shooting that scene, it can just shut down. They
Speaker 1: get to a certain point of heat where they shut down.
Speaker 1: And it was at that point that the makeup team
Speaker 1: looked at us and said, so shadow Hunter sweat, Now
Speaker 1: about dripping makeup artists? What they use when you're on
Speaker 1: set and you start to look at shiny, which means
Speaker 1: you have started to perspire and whatever. They use this
Speaker 1: blue like strip, like a like a very thin it
Speaker 1: almost looks a bit like tracing paper, and they just
Speaker 1: sort of like rub it on your sort of tea zone,
Speaker 1: like your Reily tea zone two, and these strips absorb
Speaker 1: the excess moisture. And then that was it. And I
Speaker 1: remember those days then coming out with like handfuls of
Speaker 1: these things and trying to put them on. They were like, right,
Speaker 1: these are fucking usless, Someone get me a towel because
Speaker 1: they were all saturated, Like just getting rid of this idea,
Speaker 1: we're going to just use a towel. They ended up
Speaker 1: with blue industrial paper towels for us. That's right, because
Speaker 1: that was the only thing that would keep the runes intact. Oddly,
Speaker 1: but mop up the sweat. That's the other thing we had,
Speaker 1: you know, the ruins that we wear in the show
Speaker 1: are these transfer tattoos that you know, in the same
Speaker 1: kind you get from a vending machine at a store.
Speaker 1: And we even though we would seal them with a
Speaker 1: myriad of seilings and stealers and devices and technology, sometimes
Speaker 1: you sweat enough and in a leather jacket, they just
Speaker 1: they just come right right off. They just come right off.
Speaker 1: The irony being at the end of the day, they're
Speaker 1: fucking impossible to get off. Of course, you just want
Speaker 1: to go home when you're like, I'm tired, I have
Speaker 1: like forty of these things on my body. Can you
Speaker 1: please get them off me now? And it takes a
Speaker 1: team of people scrubbing at you. But huge credit to
Speaker 1: our makeup team that figured out eventually that packing tape
Speaker 1: takes runs off in the blink of an eye. We'll
Speaker 1: talk about that later as well. Have my issues with that.
Speaker 1: Some other fun facts. Oh, this episode, we see a
Speaker 1: lot more Malik as well, and we get to see
Speaker 1: a bit of as we've mentioned before, Clarie and Alex relationship.
Speaker 1: We do we also and we see the j C
Speaker 1: Box for the first time. We do see the j
Speaker 1: C Box for the first time. Correct what is actual
Speaker 1: Jonathan's last name, Morgans, No, the C, what's this? What
Speaker 1: is the C stand for Jonathan Christopher? It is Jonathan name,
Speaker 1: But what's my middle name? Jonathan Christopher? It is Jonathan
Speaker 1: Christopher as well. I was because I was trying to
Speaker 1: explain this to Decca Um and she was like, is
Speaker 1: that box yours and box of indeterminate ownership age A
Speaker 1: J and a C. But yeah, that was I was like,
Speaker 1: I myself got lost, and you know, there are fun
Speaker 1: memes and stuff all over the place and have been
Speaker 1: since the beginning of like what is Jason's last name?
Speaker 1: And I just I'm praying for the day that nobody
Speaker 1: asks me what was your last name in this episode?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I don't know. I don't I didn't
Speaker 1: know when we were filming it. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't know the answers. I'm sorry. Yeah, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of questions, questions, a lot of them, and yours keeps changing.
Speaker 1: Heaven forbid they wherever to have wedding invitations and have
Speaker 1: to write, you know, Clarissa Adele Frame, Morganster and Fairchild
Speaker 1: marrying for Last Night. Jonathan Christopher, Whalen Lightwood, Morgan Stone,
Speaker 1: Harndale there, well I do know them. Look at that
Speaker 1: right off the tongue, they go, good job at seven
Speaker 1: in the morning. Seven in the morning. Who knew? Because
Speaker 1: where did we end up? We ended up? Wow, I digress.
Speaker 1: We I caught myself with that one. But we will
Speaker 1: get them. We also for anyone who's keeping count later on.
Speaker 1: Then this in this episode, get to see upside down
Speaker 1: Simon again. Poor poor guys spent another tick to the
Speaker 1: upside down side. I know. Yeah, whoever's keeping the tally
Speaker 1: out there, thank you very much one for doing that,
Speaker 1: because we are not and too. It's another tick in
Speaker 1: the upside down Simon box. Let's see booked a screen cat.
Speaker 1: This is your for a. So we have the Jonathan
Speaker 1: Christopher box, which is j C. Valentine. We find was
Speaker 1: not super creative in naming his not even kids like
Speaker 1: prodigies like his Yeah, his his his experiments. I suppose
Speaker 1: progeny is experiments, lots of He just loved the name
Speaker 1: Jonathan Christopher, like one of these days it's to stick. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Maybe that was his dad's name or something. We don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: one of these j C's. Maybe he just wanted one
Speaker 1: j C. And so many of them kept like dying
Speaker 1: or turning evil. He was like one of them, one
Speaker 1: of them is going to stick. There's going to be
Speaker 1: one j C. And he's going to be my buddy,
Speaker 1: and that's going to be what we're gonna make pasta,
Speaker 1: and it's going to be delightful. I still have a
Speaker 1: bone to pick with Valentine because he made the pecorino
Speaker 1: pasta for every one of his children except for me,
Speaker 1: and I'm still better about it. Just the just the
Speaker 1: ones he liked, clearly, just the just the good ones. Yeah. Oh,
Speaker 1: so Simon does not get kidnapped by the werewolves, and
Speaker 1: I can't remember if Clary does get kidnapped by the
Speaker 1: werewolves in the books. I mean, Simon and Clary get
Speaker 1: kidnapped so many times by so many different people, I
Speaker 1: just assume that it happened. I actually didn't realize that
Speaker 1: Simon was not kidnapped. Um And then interesting, Jason Clary's
Speaker 1: romance started earlier in the novels and is not abundantly
Speaker 1: clear yet in the TV show. That's interesting to me
Speaker 1: because I think in reading I didn't realize that it
Speaker 1: blossoms sooner. But perhaps I think that comes from the
Speaker 1: fact that you know, the books are told from Clary's
Speaker 1: perspective and in much more of a first person way,
Speaker 1: so you get a lot more of her internal monologue
Speaker 1: throughout the books, and so as she's developing feelings for Jace,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of monologueng about that internally, but it's
Speaker 1: not necessarily something that she's going to pull Simon aside
Speaker 1: and be like, oh my god, I'm at this guy. Well,
Speaker 1: then it's a feeling, you know, in the books, it's
Speaker 1: not potentially this budding romance necessarily so much as it
Speaker 1: is one person having feelings for another, and we don't
Speaker 1: know whether they're reciprocated or not, which I think actually
Speaker 1: we kind of do do in the show. There is
Speaker 1: a lot of this, like, obviously Jace feels a certain
Speaker 1: way about Clary, but we don't know what that is yet,
Speaker 1: whether it's this sort of quasi like adoption of another,
Speaker 1: you know, stray that he sees a lot of himself in,
Speaker 1: or whether it's a romantic relationship or whatever. And we
Speaker 1: also don't really know that from you at this point either,
Speaker 1: because you've had a couple of looks towards Simon and
Speaker 1: obviously there's this can action between us, and you mentioned
Speaker 1: the Simon's your best friend and you know we we
Speaker 1: love very much. Get Yeah, it's all it's all happening.
Speaker 1: It's all happening. The music, we don't really talk. We
Speaker 1: haven't talked about the music. Oh yeah, that's true in
Speaker 1: any of the episodes. Yeah, I didn't realize that we
Speaker 1: had the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra in this and another j C.
Speaker 1: Jonathan Carney and another j C. Jonathan Carney very good
Speaker 1: and then Flurry sure nay said Soldier never said it
Speaker 1: out loud. I actually think I have that one. I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure I have that song. I think I heard
Speaker 1: it in the show and I was like, that's a jam.
Speaker 1: I'm going to be driving to that, let's see. And
Speaker 1: of course the incomparable This is the Hunt by Ruel,
Speaker 1: which became our theme song and actually one of my
Speaker 1: favorite memories of our comic cons over the years was
Speaker 1: in I think it was Brussels the first time it happened.
Speaker 1: At the end of the cam Ma Con, you go
Speaker 1: up on stage and kind of say thank you so
Speaker 1: much for coming, and we thank the staff and we
Speaker 1: you know, kind of wave goodbye to everyone and usually
Speaker 1: dance or saying or do something silly, and all of
Speaker 1: us were standing on stage. This was right after the
Speaker 1: series finale aired. The lights go down, all of the
Speaker 1: fans pull out these heart shaped balloons from under their
Speaker 1: chairs and start singing the theme song, start singing this
Speaker 1: is the Hunt. I just remember all of us instantly
Speaker 1: burst into tears because these I call them kids. They're
Speaker 1: not kids, but I feel like kids of the show
Speaker 1: as it were. But they took such care and time
Speaker 1: to come up with the surprise and to execute it
Speaker 1: so beautifully and keep it from all of us. It
Speaker 1: was such a touching moment. Yeah, that was a really
Speaker 1: special moment for us. How lovely. So Okay, now we're
Speaker 1: into the episode. Clarion and Isabelle are having a discussion
Speaker 1: and suddenly the doors of the institute open and in
Speaker 1: walks Mary's Lightwood, Mama Balaze of glory and high heels
Speaker 1: and comes and she comes with the power and prestige
Speaker 1: that can only come from being one of the most
Speaker 1: dangerous shadow hunters in the world. Nicola is another one
Speaker 1: similar to Jade. We spoke about Jade a couple of
Speaker 1: episodes ago. Just fell right into the group, you know,
Speaker 1: was instantly a part of this sort of familial I
Speaker 1: guess society that we sort of developed around Shadow Hunters.
Speaker 1: And she and she will talk about this when she's on,
Speaker 1: but she, I know had and has mentioned sort of
Speaker 1: the trepidation of being a guest star, and we again,
Speaker 1: we spoke about that in a previous episode, But the
Speaker 1: trepidation of coming in as a guest star five episodes
Speaker 1: into a show when everyone else has sort of bonded.
Speaker 1: And I do think this is why I pride us,
Speaker 1: I really do. I pride us on how welcoming we
Speaker 1: were to this, to new people coming in, which isn't
Speaker 1: always the case on show. So I think we did
Speaker 1: a very good job with that. And we you again
Speaker 1: mentioned that Nicola and I had a sort of in
Speaker 1: at the deepend start, her and I particularly, but a
Speaker 1: very special bond from day one. Did you know, I
Speaker 1: think I can tell this story and if not, should
Speaker 1: we text her? Yeah? Pardon us? Well we you know
Speaker 1: what she's getting a voice note Nicola, my dear, I
Speaker 1: hope you're doing well. Can and I are in the
Speaker 1: middle of filming recording. I don't know how you'd say
Speaker 1: a Shadow Hunters podcast, and we were wondering if it
Speaker 1: is okay to tell the story of how you and
Speaker 1: I first met Visa VI, my fridge and the trailer
Speaker 1: and so on and so forth. Let me know, love
Speaker 1: you lots, talk to you soon. Bye bye bye bye
Speaker 1: bye by by bye bye. So we'll we'll get the
Speaker 1: details on that. But I just Nicola is one person
Speaker 1: who is so special, and I think has become as
Speaker 1: special to the Shadow fam as she is to each
Speaker 1: one of us. You know, not only is she come
Speaker 1: on be playing a mom but far far too young
Speaker 1: to be any of our mothers, But she has this
Speaker 1: lovely maternal warmth to her, and also this sense of
Speaker 1: mischief and fun and play, and she is just an
Speaker 1: enigma in and of herself and all things wonderful, and
Speaker 1: has this this real presence about her that is so
Speaker 1: charismatic and commanding that you can't help but fall in
Speaker 1: love with her. Friend that I agree, I do. I
Speaker 1: agree she's a wonderful one as Nicola. And also, you know,
Speaker 1: story wise, with Marri's I think the reason that so
Speaker 1: many people grew so attached to her is she has
Speaker 1: sort of a not necessarily a similar journey as much
Speaker 1: as it is sort of a parallel journey to Alec
Speaker 1: and his discovery of who he is and her journey through,
Speaker 1: albeit it takes some time, but her journey through the
Speaker 1: acceptance of not only who he is, but then this
Speaker 1: new budding relationship, and then the acceptance of that relationship
Speaker 1: and the welcoming of a new family member that is
Speaker 1: not a shadow hunter, and you know, so on and
Speaker 1: so forth. And I think because audience has got to
Speaker 1: experience sort of both sides of of how that goes,
Speaker 1: and also, unfortunately, you know, an instant reaction that I
Speaker 1: think is still far too common, as we have heard
Speaker 1: from fans that the parents are not necessarily instantly on
Speaker 1: board with who these people are, especially in the lgbt
Speaker 1: Q plus community. And I think being able to see
Speaker 1: that art imitating life parallel there via Nicola and via Maris,
Speaker 1: which is a difficult thing to do, especially for someone
Speaker 1: who is so liberal and understanding and welcoming of of
Speaker 1: the LGBTQ community. It's a difficult thing, I think, for
Speaker 1: her to put all of that aside and be this
Speaker 1: person who is sort of un unappreciative of this one.
Speaker 1: And she did a fantastic job of that. But I
Speaker 1: think that's, yeah, I digress. I think that's probably the
Speaker 1: reason that people were so enamored with her on screen
Speaker 1: is because they saw these parallels of these journeys and
Speaker 1: then sort of led into the ending that we all
Speaker 1: want that we all wanted it to be, which is lovely,
Speaker 1: and she did a fantastic yeah, and especially in the
Speaker 1: way that you know she it was all played with
Speaker 1: such honesty and such a beauty to the story in
Speaker 1: the same way that Malick developed throughout the years. As
Speaker 1: you said, it kind of paralleled. But it's also been
Speaker 1: so lovely to see Nicola at comic CON's and with
Speaker 1: the fandom and to watch them embrace her, you know,
Speaker 1: literally and figuratively. And also she's she's given all of
Speaker 1: us advice over the years on so many aspects of
Speaker 1: life and love and work and everything that. To to
Speaker 1: watch her do that at comic cons as well, and
Speaker 1: to be able to answer questions about life and and
Speaker 1: everything in between, it's just a beautiful thing to see.
Speaker 1: And you know, she's she does a lot of things
Speaker 1: like that on Instagram now as well, And I just
Speaker 1: I just think the world of her, and I think
Speaker 1: she's the coolest and I missed her like crazy, but
Speaker 1: I digress as she comes in with a blaze of glory.
Speaker 1: We we sort of are exploring very different mother daughter
Speaker 1: dynamics at the beginning of this episode, and we see that,
Speaker 1: you know, Clarie and Jocelyn have well now, especially a
Speaker 1: particularly strained relationship given that you know, Clary finds up
Speaker 1: she's been lied to for eighteen years and also protected,
Speaker 1: but also memories stolen. But and now there's you know,
Speaker 1: interdimensional distance, but we see the physical distance, physical distance
Speaker 1: as well chernobyl Um. We see that there's quite the
Speaker 1: distance between Isabelle and Mari's lightwood as well and Alec
Speaker 1: and Meri's lightwood they have and it is never I
Speaker 1: wonder if this is in the books. It's never fully
Speaker 1: explained in our show why Maris is so much more
Speaker 1: affectionate to Jace, you know what I mean, blamed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's never explained, but I think that's just how the
Speaker 1: relationships have played out. You know, she's very hard on
Speaker 1: isabel loves Alec but is still very rigid with him,
Speaker 1: and then Jace is kind of her. She's very tender
Speaker 1: with him and very kind of loving toward him. And
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. Is that something that you two ever
Speaker 1: spoke about. We did speak about it, yeah, And I think,
Speaker 1: at least from my point of view, I think where
Speaker 1: it came from was a mix of his abilities, the
Speaker 1: fact that he is very good at what he does, Jase,
Speaker 1: that is very good at what he does, and that
Speaker 1: being a useful tool for higher ranking member of the
Speaker 1: military ranks, of the shadow answers is a very useful
Speaker 1: tool for her. And also part at least sort of
Speaker 1: this this intrinsic, very hidden softness that comes with Meriss,
Speaker 1: where you know, she loves Alec and Iszi and she
Speaker 1: will always love alecan Issy, and she's told them, you know,
Speaker 1: or it's sort of the unspoken thing. Whereas Jason needed
Speaker 1: love and that's what he needed. He needed that in
Speaker 1: his life. He joined the family at ten, he had
Speaker 1: no one will find out later on what happened those
Speaker 1: first ten years of his life and how difficult it was.
Speaker 1: So he needed that, And I wonder if that's more
Speaker 1: where it came from, that sort of maternal instinct, just
Speaker 1: an instinct to see, you know, there's this lost bird
Speaker 1: that needs to be cradled. And as a result, Jason
Speaker 1: was cradled, So who knows, really is the truth? Tell
Speaker 1: us what you think, tell us what you think about
Speaker 1: that relationship when you hear this, let us know what
Speaker 1: you think that was and where you think it came from.
Speaker 1: And I think that's you know, that's something that's so
Speaker 1: interesting about not just the show, but the fact that
Speaker 1: the show is a book. Previously, everyone and so many
Speaker 1: people have told us, both in a positive fashion that
Speaker 1: Cat was the Clary they envisioned and I was the
Speaker 1: j they envisioned, but also in a negative fashion that
Speaker 1: I was not the vision. And people are very open
Speaker 1: about that, and that's that's okay, that's in fact, it's encouraged.
Speaker 1: It's one of the that's one of the nice things
Speaker 1: about art, about media, about about books, about TV shows.
Speaker 1: We give you permission to develop your own opinions. We
Speaker 1: encourage you to develop your own opinions, because that's what
Speaker 1: makes art so interesting. Otherwise, you know, if there's no
Speaker 1: black or white in it, if there's no opinion either way,
Speaker 1: then everything is gray and everything ends up being the same.
Speaker 1: So I like that there's negative opinion one because it
Speaker 1: means that you actually engaged with what it was. Whatever
Speaker 1: the art form was and too because I'm prove you
Speaker 1: wrong and I'm going to show you that I was
Speaker 1: the right person to do this, you know what I
Speaker 1: mean something that I always had massive respect for with
Speaker 1: with the Shadow fam and and sort of the conversations
Speaker 1: that would happen on Twitter and Instagram and on the interwebs,
Speaker 1: there's always a level of respect for the most part,
Speaker 1: you know, with the with the exception of a few situations,
Speaker 1: I loved seeing the debate happen because are this fandom
Speaker 1: is not afraid to have conversations and to share their
Speaker 1: opinions and to have difference as an opinion, and yet
Speaker 1: everyone's opinion is always respected. And I you know, you
Speaker 1: go through and you need to read conversations between I've
Speaker 1: seen quite a few times where that was not the case,
Speaker 1: where opinions were not respected. But for the most part, yes,
Speaker 1: there are times where that happens, but for the most part,
Speaker 1: on the whole, over the course of the show airing it,
Speaker 1: I saw so many debates that were debate for the
Speaker 1: sake of debate and for discussion and conversations. Seeing people go, oh,
Speaker 1: I never thought about it that way. That's interesting. I
Speaker 1: see how you see that I feel this way, but
Speaker 1: I see what you mean, and just to why people
Speaker 1: share their opinions and allow themselves to have differences of
Speaker 1: opinion without it becoming so much what our show is about.
Speaker 1: There's so much in our show that is about learning
Speaker 1: and discussing and developing new opinions based on new stimulus
Speaker 1: and actually having the ability and the strength to say
Speaker 1: within you like I was wrong in that moment. I
Speaker 1: register your opinion. I think you are correct in this moment,
Speaker 1: and I will move forward with a more open mind
Speaker 1: thinking about whatever the thing is, which I think is fascinating.
Speaker 1: It's also interesting in relation to talking about being the
Speaker 1: correct or incorrect person for the role or whatever. I
Speaker 1: remember when g announced me for this and it was
Speaker 1: an It was overwhelmingly positive. Honestly, it was positive. But
Speaker 1: I've said this before in going to say it again now,
Speaker 1: positive is great. The one percent, the one bad comment
Speaker 1: in a hundred ruins my day Like that really upsets me,
Speaker 1: and it will ruin my day and I will obsess
Speaker 1: about it for for the rest of the day. It
Speaker 1: was overwhelmingly positive, but and it's it's interesting. It just
Speaker 1: reminded me of this because I just saw a thing
Speaker 1: with Amelia Clark recently, who played Denarus target Arian in
Speaker 1: Game of Thrones. I think yes, correct, and the fans
Speaker 1: are upset that she's Amelia is not blonde and Denarus was.
Speaker 1: And the response sort of overwhelmingly was like, well, wait
Speaker 1: until you find out that the dragons aren't real, You're
Speaker 1: gonna be really upset, you know what I mean? And
Speaker 1: I had a similar thing when I got cast as
Speaker 1: Jay's like, but he's not blonde. He's and I'm sort
Speaker 1: of blonde ish now, but that's I had. I have
Speaker 1: blonde hair for partner track. I'm not blonde, um naturally,
Speaker 1: I'm brunette. And I had a similar thing where they
Speaker 1: were like, he's not blonde, he can't play the character
Speaker 1: he's not blond. And I was like, wait until you
Speaker 1: find out I'm not part angel, You're gonna be really upset.
Speaker 1: You know. It's a funny thing, but we you know
Speaker 1: that is is what it is. That's a part of
Speaker 1: what we do, and part of the fun is discovering
Speaker 1: how you're gonna physically attribute this character. And we get
Speaker 1: to have those conversations early on, Like one of them
Speaker 1: was I remember g coming into the training room with me,
Speaker 1: and you know when we were remember that first training
Speaker 1: room we had there was that little, tiny, little Jim
Speaker 1: before we started going to Jim. It was horrendous. And
Speaker 1: McGee came in and he goes, hey, man, didn't mean
Speaker 1: to bother you, just wanted you to know. We're having
Speaker 1: a conversation about Jay's being British. And I was like, oh, um, okay,
Speaker 1: let me think about it. And we had the discussion.
Speaker 1: I said, I don't think that makes any sense because
Speaker 1: for the large portion of his life he was raised
Speaker 1: in New York with Alec and with Izzy, so it
Speaker 1: makes the most sense for him to be American. And
Speaker 1: as we come to find out later on, his father
Speaker 1: is also American. His his father who was raised who
Speaker 1: he was raised by, was American, So it didn't make
Speaker 1: really any sense for him not to be American as
Speaker 1: far as the story goes, as far as the cannon goes. Um.
Speaker 1: So we had that conversation. But it's a fun thing
Speaker 1: to be able to do at the beginning of the show,
Speaker 1: is like, how are we going to what are we
Speaker 1: going to do with this character? Are we going to
Speaker 1: develop this character? And being able to have those conversations
Speaker 1: is lovely, you know, like in season two, Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: in season two, this was a really fun thing for
Speaker 1: us to do. And I remember talking to Matt Hastings
Speaker 1: about this, who was our executive producer in season two
Speaker 1: and three, and I said, you know, having read the scripts,
Speaker 1: now I know that the stella's for Jason kind of
Speaker 1: gone and he has this ability to activate ruins sort
Speaker 1: of on his own. Why don't we when we do this, um,
Speaker 1: and this is one of my prouder ideas that I've
Speaker 1: had on the show. Why don't we give a little
Speaker 1: nod to the book fans? Because again, sorry, let me
Speaker 1: go back to the beginning where the story started. At
Speaker 1: the beginning with McGee, we had the conversation of like,
Speaker 1: are we going to give Jason's sort of golden eyes
Speaker 1: that he has in the books? And McGee was like, absolutely,
Speaker 1: which is a really nice thing for me as someone
Speaker 1: who struggled with the identity of having different colored eyes
Speaker 1: and not really seeing anyone who looks like me, you know,
Speaker 1: not that it's necessarily a big thing, but it's just
Speaker 1: a little alien. Can't change your eyes down there, they're
Speaker 1: too iconic. Well, and that's what McGee said is he's
Speaker 1: he said, no, we're not going to change your eyes.
Speaker 1: Your eyes are awesome. We're gonna keep them as they are,
Speaker 1: which is a really nice thing for me to have.
Speaker 1: Or I was like, Oh, this is a cool little
Speaker 1: validation for me. But then in season two I remember saying,
Speaker 1: why don't we give a little nod to the book fans?
Speaker 1: So whenever these runs get activated, the eyes go with it,
Speaker 1: and you see Jase's gold eyes on screen for the
Speaker 1: first time for these people again who read the books
Speaker 1: and imagine Jace with gold eyes, there was the way
Speaker 1: they saw him. So that was cool. I forget what
Speaker 1: we were talking about, not that I don't think we
Speaker 1: were talking about Nicola's entrance, but you know, something else
Speaker 1: I wanted to bring up is having someone like Nicola
Speaker 1: come in and just absolutely be such a powerhouse and
Speaker 1: playing this really incredibly empowered character. It's just another example
Speaker 1: of something that the writers and the show did very well,
Speaker 1: especially as we get people like Alicia and we get
Speaker 1: you know, the Seeley Queen and all these other characters
Speaker 1: that come into the show. The show was so good
Speaker 1: at creating a myriad of different female characters that we're
Speaker 1: all empowered in their own way, and all had their
Speaker 1: own agency and their own their own kind of way
Speaker 1: of fighting their own battles. And yet none of them
Speaker 1: were the same. They weren't all you know, tough and badass,
Speaker 1: and they didn't all look the same, they didn't behave
Speaker 1: the same they didn't have the same skills and abilities
Speaker 1: and proclivities. And it's you know, as someone who grew
Speaker 1: up looking for these kind of badass female characters, Pocohonist,
Speaker 1: Mulan were my favorite Disney princesses, things like this, It's
Speaker 1: it was such a gift to be a part of
Speaker 1: a show that was so cognizant of doing that with
Speaker 1: all of these characters, to sort of show that look
Speaker 1: doesn't matter who you are, where you come from, what
Speaker 1: you look like, what your personality is, you can still
Speaker 1: be an empowered character and you can still have agency
Speaker 1: in your own story. The empowered female character doesn't fit
Speaker 1: into one mold. I agree, and Nicola was one of
Speaker 1: the first examples of that. She was I was just
Speaker 1: about to say, Nicola really embodied that very early on
Speaker 1: for us, which was lovely, and you know, Lydia comes
Speaker 1: into it as well. Lates on as another very strong woman.
Speaker 1: And what I like about Lydia's character is her strength
Speaker 1: isn't negated by her gentleness, you know, but she has
Speaker 1: a moment of real softness with Alec that is not
Speaker 1: It's in no way takes away from her power and
Speaker 1: actually gives her more power when you know, she gives
Speaker 1: him the permission to be who he is, and it
Speaker 1: doesn't take away from Lydia being this strong woman. It
Speaker 1: actually adds to her being the strong one, which I
Speaker 1: thought was very cool and very well written. Exactly, Um,
Speaker 1: we have only discussed one of our talking points. Thus
Speaker 1: we need to keep powering through Jason. Is he go
Speaker 1: off on their respective missions? Or do you guys go together?
Speaker 1: Don't you want to talk to Meliorn? We go together?
Speaker 1: We go? Yeah, we go together, which is also a
Speaker 1: respective mission, but respectively, maybe we have two different goals there.
Speaker 1: Jace doesn't have the same relationship with Melian as Isabelle do.
Speaker 1: That's for sure, unless it was in the subtext. If
Speaker 1: it was, I never read it. I mean, listen, you
Speaker 1: never know what happens in the seil the globe, what
Speaker 1: happens in the ceil the court stays in the Seilor Court,
Speaker 1: I think he says, I think he even says in
Speaker 1: that scene, I think he says, if so many shadow
Speaker 1: Hunters were as open minded as you, perhaps the world
Speaker 1: would be a different place or something along those lines.
Speaker 1: And Jay's you know, Jason is fun. He has these
Speaker 1: moments and we actually had one in the last episode
Speaker 1: that we missed book Club. We had one in the
Speaker 1: last episode that we sort of paved over, which is
Speaker 1: actually one of my favorite little moments in the episode,
Speaker 1: and we get to see Matt do. Matt has these
Speaker 1: amazing idiosyncrasies and little moments that aren't really scripted. Jas
Speaker 1: doesn't really understand sometimes the concept of relationships or sexuality.
Speaker 1: In a lot of ways, he sort of gets it,
Speaker 1: but also it kind of goes over his head sometimes.
Speaker 1: So in this conversation with Leon is very suggestive in
Speaker 1: some ways, and Jace doesn't really get it, you know.
Speaker 1: And there's another one when we're just about to go
Speaker 1: and do the Memory Demon thing. I can't believe we
Speaker 1: miss this because such a good moment where Magnus says,
Speaker 1: pretty boy, get your team ready, and Jas has got
Speaker 1: it great outstand and he goes, no, no, not you,
Speaker 1: I meant you, and Jason is like, what what do
Speaker 1: you mean? And has this great go go back and
Speaker 1: give the ship out of that little face that he does,
Speaker 1: that little shrug that he does, because it's so brilliant,
Speaker 1: I don't know, but also really like he's very proud
Speaker 1: like he you know, as is mentioned, has been in
Speaker 1: Jason's shadow, which is very odd to me because he's
Speaker 1: arguably the most handsome man to have ever walked the
Speaker 1: face of the planet, but he has been in that place.
Speaker 1: To get this compliment was a real uplifting moment for Alec,
Speaker 1: which I thought was really lovely. Um, and there's another
Speaker 1: one of these in this scene where it just sort
Speaker 1: of shoots right over Jason's head of course, and the yes,
Speaker 1: we have our moment with the butterflies. We understand that
Speaker 1: the scouts, the seven Seely Scouts, which is very difficult
Speaker 1: to say. Credit to Matthew Dario for his credit to
Speaker 1: Matthew Didario. We find out in this scene that that
Speaker 1: mission has failed, um, and the see Scouts are dead,
Speaker 1: and we have found out little too zero about what
Speaker 1: we need moving forward in this mission true, which takes
Speaker 1: us to the Alec Clary mission little sneaky Clary has
Speaker 1: snuck out, as sneakers often do well. First of all,
Speaker 1: Alec is trying to actually do his job and keep
Speaker 1: his problems to Chase and teach Clary. You know, if
Speaker 1: this little girl is going to be stuck here with us,
Speaker 1: she might as well learn something so she's not you know,
Speaker 1: deadweight on the team. And they have a little bow
Speaker 1: staff sparring match. This is my first time fighting with
Speaker 1: a bow staff, which became one of my favorite weapons
Speaker 1: down the line. Being a tiny human having a weapon
Speaker 1: that's taller than you are is there's there's something really
Speaker 1: fun to that and to the kind of power that
Speaker 1: you can get out of something that has such a leverage.
Speaker 1: But also this is my first time, you know, doing
Speaker 1: a sparring scene with Matt, and we had a lot
Speaker 1: of fun getting real bow staffs. Weren't they weren't they
Speaker 1: real boast off? They had to so they had kind
Speaker 1: of foamy, rubbery ones and then they had hardwards. These
Speaker 1: weren't the bamboo ones that so and and I had
Speaker 1: another bow staff sparring scene in season two and we
Speaker 1: used actual bamboo bo staffs for that. This one was
Speaker 1: they were I think rubber mostly they made of the
Speaker 1: same stuff that our swords ended up being made of
Speaker 1: in season two, and Beyonce, they were pretty heavy, and
Speaker 1: at this point I just started, ye, people, forget about it.
Speaker 1: You've got these rubberized swords, and the two factors that
Speaker 1: you need to know about these swords in season two
Speaker 1: more in season one. In season one they just didn't
Speaker 1: really work. But in season two they are the ones
Speaker 1: we fight with. Are made of a softer material than actual,
Speaker 1: you know, raise a sharp metal, which I think everyone
Speaker 1: was very grateful for. But the point the tip of
Speaker 1: the sword was very rubberized, so if you if you've
Speaker 1: got to misstab, the tip would bend and it was
Speaker 1: okay and you were safe. But the rest of it
Speaker 1: was still quite solid. So if you get hit in
Speaker 1: the hand, it sucks like it really really split knuckles,
Speaker 1: a lot of split knuckles. Definitely a couple of fractured
Speaker 1: bones over the course of I think my fingers are
Speaker 1: never going to be the same, but they do. And
Speaker 1: then the the thing that people forget about, which I
Speaker 1: think is very funny, is the way temperature reacts to
Speaker 1: these weapons. So when it's hot, not a huge deal.
Speaker 1: The swords you know they hurt, but we trained very hard,
Speaker 1: and you know, you can't do your own stunts and
Speaker 1: every time you know, scrape your knee, go to the
Speaker 1: stunt team, go scrape knee. You have to get like
Speaker 1: you're doing your stunts. You're gonna get a little bruised
Speaker 1: every now and occupational, right, what happens. But when it's cold,
Speaker 1: they freeze. These things freeze, so they turn into these
Speaker 1: solid like fifteen pounds, just like almost like maces, like
Speaker 1: baseball bats. And then when you get hit with them,
Speaker 1: that really hurts, That really sucks. Referring to the hern,
Speaker 1: I am referring to the horn. Yeah, when you get
Speaker 1: we will get to the horn always. Sure. Well that's
Speaker 1: season three, that the one I'm particularly talking about. It's
Speaker 1: not till season three with Luke where my sword had
Speaker 1: div it's out of it, like four chunks that were
Speaker 1: Luke's sword shaped out of my sword. You know a
Speaker 1: lot of moments where if my blood wasn't in the
Speaker 1: right place, that sort was coming at Dom's face. Fun times.
Speaker 1: But this was, as we referred to at the beginning
Speaker 1: of the episode, um the let's let's cook the cast
Speaker 1: and crew scene and shadow hunters do indeed sweat and
Speaker 1: after a very sweaty sparring match between Alec and Clary, Alec,
Speaker 1: it's a phone call from the one and only Magnus Spain.
Speaker 1: Magnus Spain, the one and only, in true Magnus Spain fashion.
Speaker 1: I feel like if we had more budget for these episodes,
Speaker 1: he would have just appeared. He would have just turned
Speaker 1: up in a portal and then like you, let's go
Speaker 1: for drinks, you know what I mean, think about it,
Speaker 1: like hard to get Meanwhile, Clary is tiptoeing out of
Speaker 1: the institute very like Louisy Tunes, very yeah, very bugs bunny,
Speaker 1: like we're hunting webbits like very out of the institute,
Speaker 1: which is kind of our first for a into like
Speaker 1: and we will get through this. Actually, this is another
Speaker 1: list that if you're listening you should start taking down.
Speaker 1: How many times people say Clary, don't Clary, stop Clary,
Speaker 1: wait Harry, No, it is very don't do that. Relentless,
Speaker 1: relentless in this show, to the point where arguably all
Speaker 1: of the things go that go wrong later on are
Speaker 1: entirely Cleary's fault, like entirely her fault. I mean, potentially
Speaker 1: there is there is a very strong argument for that
Speaker 1: to be the case, very strong argument to be made anyway.
Speaker 1: This is our first moment that we sort of see
Speaker 1: Clary sneak off and follow her poorly trained, arguably poor
Speaker 1: in general instincts to go off into the world. But
Speaker 1: it's interesting because we do see her make an attempt,
Speaker 1: you know, whereas previously she's she's grabbing swords and not
Speaker 1: knowing what they're going to do and accidentally stabbing people too,
Speaker 1: now she's thinking about it and going, Okay, I'm going
Speaker 1: out in the mundane world. I need to sort of
Speaker 1: see what's going on. I'll do an invisibility room, because
Speaker 1: she's obviously learned that by this point, so she does
Speaker 1: the invisibility ruin. She glamours herself in public, and it's
Speaker 1: one of these these lovely moments where the mundane world
Speaker 1: crosses over into the shadow world. And she's standing outside
Speaker 1: the Brooklyn Academy of Art and her cell phone rings
Speaker 1: and she's invisible, but everyone around, all the Mundanes are
Speaker 1: going where is whose self? Is it mine? Is it yours?
Speaker 1: I don't know? And then suddenly Alec appears and go
Speaker 1: in child's her for not thinking of using the soundless
Speaker 1: room as well, which you silly who knew, silly idiot.
Speaker 1: The reality is we do literally have a room for everything,
Speaker 1: which is both a very cool thing and also a
Speaker 1: nightmare storytelling wise, because it's like, why didn't you just
Speaker 1: and we're like, we know, we could have used a
Speaker 1: room for that. We should have used a room for that.
Speaker 1: There's one that we previously put in the show that
Speaker 1: would have been perfect in this situation that we just
Speaker 1: didn't use. Like exactly, it happens all the time, which
Speaker 1: I think is very funny. Anyway, I digress. Let's move
Speaker 1: on to Sparring dis Here is she is out in
Speaker 1: the world. She gets Oh, you know what we were
Speaker 1: talking about this next little section in a previous episode,
Speaker 1: and I was going to wait and hollow back to
Speaker 1: this now, which is me hollering. Is the Simon phone call? Yes?
Speaker 1: The cool this is and this is you know, the
Speaker 1: real mark of a true friend, which is interesting because
Speaker 1: both Simon and Alberto at this person in both of
Speaker 1: our lives. I think like I was going through a breakup,
Speaker 1: like relatively recently, as in within the time that shadow
Speaker 1: and has finished and spoke to Alberto. I was like dude,
Speaker 1: I'm struggling and like, I'm having a really tough time,
Speaker 1: and he was. He flew from where he was to
Speaker 1: where I was and was there that evening and came
Speaker 1: and hung out and just was there for me. And one,
Speaker 1: I think more ex essentially not really related to the show,
Speaker 1: there's a really nice thing there which is like men
Speaker 1: encouraging men to be more open with their emotions, which
Speaker 1: doesn't happen as often as it could. And that was
Speaker 1: really lovely to know that I have a safe place
Speaker 1: with Alberto to do that. And two more related to
Speaker 1: the show. Entirely related to the show, we get to
Speaker 1: really cement who Simon is intrinsically in in himself, this
Speaker 1: character who is struggling and doesn't know what's going on
Speaker 1: with him. He's just being kidnapped, He's had this horrendous experience.
Speaker 1: Clary calls and he goes, great, I'm gonna meet you
Speaker 1: the shortcut. No, I'm going to meet you the shortcut
Speaker 1: like that. That is what's going to happen, because I'm
Speaker 1: your friend and you need me, and I'm going to
Speaker 1: be there for you. And it's interesting to me that
Speaker 1: almost coincidentally Alberto ended up being entirely that human being.
Speaker 1: I've always said this, you know, Simon, Alberto will always
Speaker 1: be this time into my clary and he he was
Speaker 1: that for me, you know, given that we were in
Speaker 1: the audition process together and we both read all the
Speaker 1: books and nerded out about them on a daily basis.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if you remember, but you know,
Speaker 1: the three of us lived in the same building during
Speaker 1: the first season, but Alberto and I had apartments literal
Speaker 1: only next door to each other, just purely by coincidence.
Speaker 1: And after work every day we'd stand out on the balconies.
Speaker 1: Alberto would play jazz and we just look out at
Speaker 1: Toronto and kind of figure out what this process was
Speaker 1: that we were going through and kind of talk about
Speaker 1: it and share different things. And and he became that,
Speaker 1: as you said, for all of us. He's the person
Speaker 1: you can call at three am or you know, when
Speaker 1: we're out, the person you have a quiet conversation with
Speaker 1: while you're stepping out on the balcony. Have we have
Speaker 1: sister cats, Alberta and I because I was struggling with
Speaker 1: something going on in my life. I's got kids together
Speaker 1: and it's very drunk, and I called him and I
Speaker 1: was like, al So, I'm drunk and I think I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go by a kiddy. Do you want one? And
Speaker 1: he was drunk and went, I think I do. And
Speaker 1: we went and we bought these cats and we took
Speaker 1: them home Raja and sell our little babies. And we
Speaker 1: woke up the next day and I have this little kitten,
Speaker 1: you know, about the size of a hamster on my
Speaker 1: chest and I sort of that hungover, like one eye
Speaker 1: opened and I looked down and I'm like, oh, what
Speaker 1: have I done? And I called Alberta without moving because
Speaker 1: she's asleep. Raja is asleep on my chest without moving,
Speaker 1: and hey man, do you have a cat? And he goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: do you have a cat? I'm like, yep, all right,
Speaker 1: I'll see you a little bit. And that was that
Speaker 1: was that story. Oh my god. One of my favorite
Speaker 1: things that happened throughout the course of filming our show
Speaker 1: is you guys bringing Rajah instill it into our lives.
Speaker 1: Because they were such cute little nights. You ended up
Speaker 1: sort of being like these emotional support animals on set,
Speaker 1: you know, if someone was having a tough day, because
Speaker 1: they would come to work with us and they would
Speaker 1: sort of live in our trailers, just the two of them,
Speaker 1: and if someone was having a tough day, like I
Speaker 1: would go into my trailer after, you know, after a
Speaker 1: section of filming or whatever, and there's like someone in
Speaker 1: there who's, you know, crying or had a rough time,
Speaker 1: just holding Rajah and I'm like, I'll give you ten minutes,
Speaker 1: see you later. I'll be out here. Don't you worry
Speaker 1: about it. And they sort of became these like emotional
Speaker 1: support animals on the set, which was very very sweet.
Speaker 1: Speaking of emotional support animals, Let's let's keep moving forward.
Speaker 1: So something else I want to bring up. There's a
Speaker 1: fun dynamic here that continues throughout the show and as
Speaker 1: Alecan Clary's friendship hate ship to friendship to partnership kind
Speaker 1: of develops, as it were, it starts off with this
Speaker 1: quite sarcastic, pointed banter. And because Clary is from a
Speaker 1: world that is not the Shadow world and is not
Speaker 1: so archaic, she sees the connection with Alecan Magnus and
Speaker 1: she can kind of tell that there's something there and
Speaker 1: is one of the first to encourage alec to or
Speaker 1: even with you know, with Jason, and sees she sees
Speaker 1: these connections that he has, and she sees love and
Speaker 1: it's like, why don't you go for it? It makes
Speaker 1: no sense to her that Alec isn't pursued doing these
Speaker 1: feelings that he has because she doesn't understand the sort
Speaker 1: of archaic nature of the world. And they have this
Speaker 1: you know, lovely back and forth about middle school comebacks
Speaker 1: and this kind of humorous exchange that is a bit hostile,
Speaker 1: but you know, tends to be a recurring theme in
Speaker 1: all of their conversations throughout the series. And one reason
Speaker 1: that I love working with Matt so much because we
Speaker 1: had fun, very very munus as it were, which leads
Speaker 1: us to Spider Simon quite neatly, Spider Simon, who I
Speaker 1: think he did the jump. So they meet up at
Speaker 1: this sort of neutral place. He says that he knows Brooklyn,
Speaker 1: which he does more than anyone else, and leaps up
Speaker 1: this wall with the agility of like a cat on
Speaker 1: crack cocaine and just hops over it. And I think
Speaker 1: she I think he did that, didn't he? I think?
Speaker 1: And everyone was like, wow, okay, cool. We we weren't
Speaker 1: sure that that was something that anyone could do, but
Speaker 1: you did. So there we go yes, we're just going
Speaker 1: to put that in the show. Well, because we know
Speaker 1: the apartment the Fray apartment, because they're going back to
Speaker 1: the Fray house to find whatever they can, whatever clues
Speaker 1: about Clary's past, because her memories are gone, so the
Speaker 1: only recourse they have is to go back to the
Speaker 1: burned apartment and see what's going on. And Simon knows
Speaker 1: the back way we get to the house. Yes, things
Speaker 1: have gone awry. The house has been burnt, the apartment
Speaker 1: has been burnt. There's no real clues left save four
Speaker 1: dunda duh the j C Box in the floorboard, which
Speaker 1: Simon finds because of his new ability to hear the
Speaker 1: hollowness of this one plank in the floorboard. Who knows
Speaker 1: where that ability comes from? Shadow, I am right exactly,
Speaker 1: Freddie foreshadowing again, which again is another like God shadow.
Speaker 1: Once as a useless like he leaps over this ten
Speaker 1: foot wall, he rips a door clean off the hinges
Speaker 1: he can see runs, and then all of a sudden
Speaker 1: he can hear things that nobody else can hear. And
Speaker 1: Alec is just like, that's strange. Didn't know that, Alex
Speaker 1: a bit distracted. Magnus Bane just asked him how to date,
Speaker 1: so we can we can give him a moment I
Speaker 1: would I would have been distracted. Also, that's absolutely fair.
Speaker 1: He's also having to deal with a bunch of Mundanes. Correct.
Speaker 1: Speaking of a bunch of Mundanes. We do get a
Speaker 1: glimpse of Valentine as well, back at Chernobyl, and we
Speaker 1: get to see him injecting a group of volunteers with
Speaker 1: Seely blood as he's we see him experimenting, and we
Speaker 1: don't really know what his plan is yet, but he's
Speaker 1: trying to develop this super soldier prototype, as it were.
Speaker 1: Totally and as the story goes on, so correct me
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong. But it's not the Seely blood he's after, right,
Speaker 1: it's the angel blood within the Seely blood, the mix
Speaker 1: of it's the angel blood that he wants to inject.
Speaker 1: That would make sense, isn't it. I don't. I've gone
Speaker 1: back and I've looked, and his experimentation is not entirely
Speaker 1: clear in season one, um, and I think it's just
Speaker 1: probably the fact that it's been so long. I knew
Speaker 1: this mythology at one point, and there's there's there are
Speaker 1: many layers to Valentine's evil plot or maybe not. Maybe
Speaker 1: he's a madman and there is no logic. Maybe that's
Speaker 1: a madman. He's a madman. He's a madman. You mean
Speaker 1: a madman, not a madman. What are you talking about.
Speaker 1: It's not his last name. It's not spiderman. He's a
Speaker 1: spider man, fully quoting, fully quoting friends there. We had
Speaker 1: this argument on set, you, me and Alberto who Albert
Speaker 1: and he knows it, pisces me off, and it still
Speaker 1: pisces me off, and he still says it. He says cameraman,
Speaker 1: which I think is correct. Now now it doesn't sound
Speaker 1: strange to me anymore, but cameraman cameraman, like it's not.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like Drew Cameraman. His last name isn't. I
Speaker 1: don't know he's a cameraman. I think it's what he
Speaker 1: does for a lose. It was Glenn Cameraman. But now,
Speaker 1: because he said it so many times, I can't it
Speaker 1: makes sense to me that it's cameraman. And now I
Speaker 1: don't know which one's correct. I I don't know which
Speaker 1: way is up anymore, honestly, And now I'm confused because
Speaker 1: I feel like I've always said cameraman on cameraman and
Speaker 1: now I'm like, is it Spider Man? It might be
Speaker 1: Spider Man, I don't know, somebody called Tom Holland producing team.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have to reach out to Tom Holland and
Speaker 1: get him on the show or Toby McGuire. All three
Speaker 1: of them could be amazing. I'm a big fan of
Speaker 1: all three of those guys. If we could get them
Speaker 1: on to talk zero things shadow Hunters and all things
Speaker 1: Spider Man slash Spider Man, that would be amazing. Let's
Speaker 1: let's touch on Jade Wolf, because this is we get
Speaker 1: to see the Jade Wolf for the first time. Yes,
Speaker 1: and before we get into too much of what happens next,
Speaker 1: we need to address the werewolf in the room. The
Speaker 1: few werewolves in the room? Where werewolves wolves? Now, language
Speaker 1: is letting me down completely. Werewolves is the plural of werewolf? Correct? Yes? Yes, great?
Speaker 1: But this is this is something that you know we've
Speaker 1: put the I'll be curious to see obviously we're recording
Speaker 1: this in advance, but I'll be curious to see what
Speaker 1: folks think because we've put out our is this a
Speaker 1: set or is this an actual location poll about the
Speaker 1: Jade Wolf for this episode? Because this this became one
Speaker 1: of our kind of home bases on set, particularly in
Speaker 1: the season one and a lot of season two because
Speaker 1: it was on our sound stage. It was the only
Speaker 1: set on our stage two, which sort of became our
Speaker 1: utility stage. I think that lasted all three seasons. It
Speaker 1: was there from the beginning. It was one of the
Speaker 1: first sets that was built and was there until the
Speaker 1: very end. And I remember when we were shooting the
Speaker 1: last episode, they started to take it down before we
Speaker 1: were done shooting, and I couldn't. I physically couldn't bring
Speaker 1: myself to go to studio to to see it in disarray.
Speaker 1: I couldn't. I couldn't do it. One of the one
Speaker 1: of the fun things that people should know about sets
Speaker 1: is they are sort of like Ikea furniture almost. They
Speaker 1: are designed to be put up very quickly and to
Speaker 1: be taken down very quickly and literally flat packed into boxes.
Speaker 1: The entire Jade Wolf set and these sets were designed
Speaker 1: and you know on the back of them you can
Speaker 1: see east facing War one with large window whatever the
Speaker 1: handwritten onto the walls. So they physically get flat packed
Speaker 1: and put in storage boxes. So if they ever need
Speaker 1: to be reopened or reused, they bring them out and
Speaker 1: they reassemble them borderline with like an Ikea alan key.
Speaker 1: They just like fit them all together and then they
Speaker 1: got to go again. And that's how sets are built. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So as amazing as they look on the inside, if
Speaker 1: you ever saw the outside of these sets, they look
Speaker 1: like piss poor Ikea furniture, which is I always thought
Speaker 1: was really funny. And a couple of features of our
Speaker 1: Jade Wolf set in particular, um, the exterior of the
Speaker 1: Jade Wolf did not match the interior. Given that, as
Speaker 1: Tom says, if you look at the outside of these sets,
Speaker 1: they aren't complete. Um, But one of the exterior doors
Speaker 1: of our studio we had painted too to match the
Speaker 1: same door. So you walk through one door that looks
Speaker 1: like you're walking into the Jade Wolf from the outside,
Speaker 1: you're actually walking into our sound stage. You walk about
Speaker 1: twenty ft, you go through a nondescript plightwood door and
Speaker 1: suddenly learned into the Jade Wolf. But the interior interior
Speaker 1: door to the Jade Wolf had a doggie door, and
Speaker 1: I had totally forgotten about that. The bottom half swung it.
Speaker 1: That's right. It's funny them to walk in as werewolves
Speaker 1: or as people. How funny. That's absolutely And also there
Speaker 1: were the cooked ducks hanging in the back because, as
Speaker 1: we know, Jade Wolf as a Chinese restaurant, which with
Speaker 1: one of you and I started to do this as
Speaker 1: we got more comfortable on these sets, we found little
Speaker 1: easter eggs and little ways to throw in character actions,
Speaker 1: two different and it was really upset about it. I
Speaker 1: think it did. I think it got cut because I thought,
Speaker 1: I when I figured it out in the books Gone,
Speaker 1: you explain, You explain in the books Jason has a
Speaker 1: fear of ducks. We don't know why, we don't know how.
Speaker 1: Clary finds it incredibly amusing, but he's petrified of ducks.
Speaker 1: And one day we noticed that there were all of
Speaker 1: these cooked ducks hanging in the Jade Wolf, so dumb,
Speaker 1: I thought it was very interesting. It's not in this episode,
Speaker 1: but I thought it would be an interesting thing. I
Speaker 1: walked into the set and noticed that these ducks were there,
Speaker 1: and I thought it would be a cool thing. You know,
Speaker 1: I think I'm pretty sure it's Isaiah first, and then
Speaker 1: you and then me, and Isaiah's pissed, Lucas pissed in
Speaker 1: this moment. Actually think that was the day he was
Speaker 1: trying to bust the doors off the hinges by going
Speaker 1: through them so quickly, and as Jace walks through, he
Speaker 1: notices these ducks and just had a little like nope,
Speaker 1: and like took sort of the long way around, and
Speaker 1: I think it ended up getting cut, which is a
Speaker 1: real shame because it was just in the soft background
Speaker 1: and it was just another little nod to like the
Speaker 1: book fans of like, did he just walk further away
Speaker 1: from cook ducks because he doesn't like ducks? You know?
Speaker 1: But I don't know the answer is yes, he did,
Speaker 1: Yes he did. Yes, footage is there somewhere. There are
Speaker 1: a few moments like that threaded throughout the show of
Speaker 1: things that we did. So if you notice any of
Speaker 1: those as you're rewatching with us right in, let us
Speaker 1: I want to hear if you, because I think a
Speaker 1: lot of them we have even forgotten that we did
Speaker 1: because they just sort of happened in the moment, or
Speaker 1: it was a spur of the idea, or if you
Speaker 1: notice something that we didn't do intentionally, we can just
Speaker 1: take credit for it and be like, yeah, was a
Speaker 1: conscious choice from us. Look how good actors we are.
Speaker 1: But we find out in this scene. We also get
Speaker 1: to this is sort of our werewolf episode, you know,
Speaker 1: we get to learn about how the werewolf pack works
Speaker 1: and its structure and its rules. We also get to
Speaker 1: see a lot more of Joel LaBelle that who we
Speaker 1: love very dearly as Alaric, and we get to meet
Speaker 1: the pack leader, Theo played by Ari Cohen. This episode
Speaker 1: we do and we get to learn a lot more
Speaker 1: about the hierarchy of werewolves. You know, each each different
Speaker 1: race within this world has a hierarchy, and we've got
Speaker 1: to see a little of the Warlocks in that Magnus
Speaker 1: is the high Warlock of Brooklyn. He's sort of in
Speaker 1: charge of that area and making sure that the Warlocks
Speaker 1: are kept safe, and we saw a lot of that
Speaker 1: early on in that episode. We've got to see a
Speaker 1: little of the Selle's. I don't think you mentioned the
Speaker 1: Seeley Queen yet, but we know that he is working
Speaker 1: with a group of Selee's that are are not happy
Speaker 1: with how shadow Hunters deal and the Clave deals with things.
Speaker 1: And now for the first time, we're getting to see
Speaker 1: the hierarchy um and there's sort of pecking order of
Speaker 1: werewolves and how that works, and we understand their law
Speaker 1: and the tensions within that for sure. And speaking of hierarchy,
Speaker 1: Alaric shows up at the Fray apartment. He does well, Alec,
Speaker 1: here's a noise, goes to check it out, suddenly comes back.
Speaker 1: And of course the Mundane's do nothing but cause trouble,
Speaker 1: or the former Mundanees and the mundane do nothing but
Speaker 1: cause trouble for Alec as they get kidnapped by Joel
Speaker 1: a belt and there's a brief. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you're looking at it. There's a wonderful screenshot of Joel
Speaker 1: pushing my head into the car and I think my
Speaker 1: face is quite yeah, and it's quite a picture. Make
Speaker 1: sure it's one of those action shots that you just
Speaker 1: go love it. We may have to make that public.
Speaker 1: That's very funny. I've already been dubbed Katherine mcnamim. It's
Speaker 1: just a thing now, Catherine mcnamim. I like that, Mimi.
Speaker 1: It's a face, Is it a me? It's We'll have
Speaker 1: to ask another one exactly, exactly exactly, which leads us
Speaker 1: fairly neatly to two things. One I think is very
Speaker 1: entertaining and the other is very important story wise. Number one,
Speaker 1: Simon upside down again. Yes, poor Simon being strung up
Speaker 1: by his ankles. I don't know why that's necessary. He
Speaker 1: was in a prison. I don't know why it was
Speaker 1: necessary for him to be hung upside down again other
Speaker 1: than for hysterical comic relief and to torture poor Alberto.
Speaker 1: Because you can actually see in that shot he was
Speaker 1: upside down for a while. You can see it in
Speaker 1: his face, like the blood had rushed to his head.
Speaker 1: He was upside down, probably for longer than I could
Speaker 1: have done. Probably definitely for longer than I could have done.
Speaker 1: And then leads us on neatly to our whole werewolf,
Speaker 1: rescuing Simon and Clary once again. Also credit to Isaiah.
Speaker 1: I remember that day the little fight, A cool little
Speaker 1: moment with our parab attie as well, where we can
Speaker 1: feel each other. I say, Alec and he grabs Clary
Speaker 1: and Jace takes down Luke. But Isaiah, man, did he
Speaker 1: commit to those fools? After every single one? I was like, dude,
Speaker 1: are you okay? Like he hit the ground hard every time.
Speaker 1: He is a real trooper. He's like, yeah, dude, I'm fine,
Speaker 1: don't worry about it. Yeah, And this is another time
Speaker 1: in the show where we all kind of developed, at
Speaker 1: least on my part, a lot of just implicit trust
Speaker 1: in each other because literally I was being firemen carried
Speaker 1: by Luke. He gets kicked by you. He we did
Speaker 1: the stunt practically, the four of us. You've kicked him.
Speaker 1: He launched me in the air and Nat caught me.
Speaker 1: I was literally flying through the air, caught by Matt.
Speaker 1: And it wouldn't have worked if the four of us
Speaker 1: hadn't you know, just put blind trust and faith in
Speaker 1: each other and said, all right, we're just gonna throw
Speaker 1: cat and hopefully we catch her. And it's you know,
Speaker 1: that's the thing as well as like these are big
Speaker 1: hits too. We have this discussion of like, how do
Speaker 1: other than you know, obviously Jason's all of the shadow
Speaker 1: Hunters are abnormally strong, but also so is Luke because
Speaker 1: he's aware Wolf, he's very strong. Also, how do we
Speaker 1: make this how do we make this pun look like
Speaker 1: a one punch knockout with you know, the big size difference,
Speaker 1: and Isaiah's incredibly fit and very muscular, So how do
Speaker 1: we make that look real? And the way to do
Speaker 1: it was to really sell it as much as we could.
Speaker 1: We really had to go for it. And that's that
Speaker 1: implicit trust that comes with these fight scenes is you
Speaker 1: just have to trust to that person who is not
Speaker 1: going to punch you in the face, even though they
Speaker 1: are throwing Like I was throwing all of my weight
Speaker 1: into that punch. If it had connected, honestly, Isaiah is
Speaker 1: a big dude, and it probably would have broken all
Speaker 1: the fingers in my hand. But and he wouldn't have reacted.
Speaker 1: I got punched in the face. But you know, it's
Speaker 1: a it's a trust thing, like you have to trust
Speaker 1: that someone's not gonna like I have to kick the
Speaker 1: back of his knees, which is not something you want
Speaker 1: to do to someone in real life, and then I
Speaker 1: have to hit him across the face as hard as
Speaker 1: you can. You have to trust that those people aren't
Speaker 1: going to hit you and not be you know, fearful
Speaker 1: of what could potentially happen. Anyway, anyway, speaking of unpleasant trust,
Speaker 1: there's a we finally get to learn that we can
Speaker 1: trust Luke again. Um there's a lovely little scene where
Speaker 1: you see and this is something else say, I wanted
Speaker 1: to bring up the witch like we used to use
Speaker 1: the witchlights all the time in season one and then
Speaker 1: I don't know what happened to them, And it's something
Speaker 1: from the book and we actually used the prop that
Speaker 1: we used. They used in the movie as well. They're
Speaker 1: these sort of glowing rocks that are imbued with Warlock
Speaker 1: magic that glow or are they are they made of atomus?
Speaker 1: I forget which is I think they're atomus like chunks
Speaker 1: of atoms, the glowing element that our stones are, that
Speaker 1: our swords are made of an atomus. For non book
Speaker 1: fans or non book readers, I should say Adamus was
Speaker 1: the sort of shadow Hunter materials, a metal that almost
Speaker 1: looks like glass that we used to make our buildings.
Speaker 1: We used to make a lot of our clothing, so
Speaker 1: our clothing is protected. It's sort of like anti demon aluminium,
Speaker 1: I suppose is the best way of describing it. And
Speaker 1: we used to make our weapons and all sorts of things.
Speaker 1: And it gets taken from the We do sort of
Speaker 1: briefly talk about the law when we get into the
Speaker 1: Iron Sisters and how that whole thing plays out. But yes,
Speaker 1: that's that is what Adamus is, and if you hear
Speaker 1: us referencing it, then that is what it is. But
Speaker 1: these witchlights so Clari has a witch light in her
Speaker 1: pocket inevitably, thanks Jace for tossing that at her at
Speaker 1: some point, I'm sure. And we have this recurring joke
Speaker 1: as well in the show about the opening room. There's
Speaker 1: there's a certain room that opens doors. Clary can never
Speaker 1: do it. And I don't know where that came from,
Speaker 1: if it came from the books or whatever it is,
Speaker 1: but the writers kept writing it in that Clary just
Speaker 1: couldn't get this room down, so she couldn't get out
Speaker 1: of places, which I find hysterical. Maybe it's me because
Speaker 1: I'm directionally challenged and clumsy. I don't know. It's yeah,
Speaker 1: you sort of had a like a Ron Weasley moment
Speaker 1: with this one. Run. It's the Aloha mora. That's right,
Speaker 1: ladies and gents, your boys a Harry Potter nerd. It's
Speaker 1: not a big deal. Well, speaking of Harry Potter references,
Speaker 1: there's one in this scene where Clary tries to point
Speaker 1: the stella at Luke when he busts in like a one,
Speaker 1: and he goes, honey, that's not how you use that thing.
Speaker 1: But little wink to the Harry Potter fans, Little wink
Speaker 1: to the Harry Potter fans there, So where were we?
Speaker 1: Um the big Werewolf moment, Our first big sort of
Speaker 1: John wou esque shot of our entire team, all five
Speaker 1: of us in fighting position. Jason with his signature sword,
Speaker 1: is He with her signature whip, Alec with his signature bow.
Speaker 1: Simon with his signature fearful face, which disappears in sort
Speaker 1: of the next two episodes somewhat because he is imbued
Speaker 1: with new abilities. Let's just say, Clary protecting Simon as
Speaker 1: much as you possibly can, and Chase protecting Clary. And
Speaker 1: it's a very It's a really cool sort of quasi
Speaker 1: iconic shot from the show that we see a lot,
Speaker 1: this spinning camera motion where we get to see all
Speaker 1: of these these sort of individual profiles of who these
Speaker 1: characters are, these breakdowns of these characters all together as
Speaker 1: a unit for the first time, which I think is
Speaker 1: really cool. It was one of my favorite shots. It's
Speaker 1: the team. The team is together, The team is finally
Speaker 1: unified and is ready to face whenever is coming for them,
Speaker 1: literally and figuratively. But this is a little section I
Speaker 1: like to call tennis ball's teamwork and thunder. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: that's right. I'd forgotten about the thunder. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: This was the night that I started drinking coffee. I
Speaker 1: had made it entirely through university. I was never a
Speaker 1: coffee person before. And when you're on a set and
Speaker 1: you're shooting outside, you have to deal with the elements
Speaker 1: at times. And this is one where we found that
Speaker 1: out firsthand. We were shooting in amongst all of these
Speaker 1: metal shipping containers and there happened to be a freak
Speaker 1: thunderstorm in Toronto. And when you're shooting and there's you know,
Speaker 1: thunder and lightning, and it can become a dangerous circumstance.
Speaker 1: You have to pause. What is it I think minutes
Speaker 1: or twenty minutes? Yeah, is thirty minutes after you witness
Speaker 1: a lightning strike, which means lightning strikes, you start the clock. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you wait for thirty minutes. If it happens again during
Speaker 1: those thirty minutes, you restart the clock. And was it
Speaker 1: four hours? It was something like lightning strikes. We were
Speaker 1: just sat waiting. It would always get to minute like
Speaker 1: seven or two. We got so close so many times.
Speaker 1: And I give such credit to our first A. D. Pierre,
Speaker 1: who you know, he's sort of in charge of the
Speaker 1: first aid is sort of in charge of running the
Speaker 1: set and running the crew and making sure all of
Speaker 1: the pieces are happening and everything stays in motion throughout
Speaker 1: the day. He was so good at keeping spirits up
Speaker 1: and keeping everyone focused and happy. And I think, didn't
Speaker 1: we have to go back and finish the scene another
Speaker 1: day because the sun started coming up? Correct? Yeah? We
Speaker 1: this was our first. We used to call them Fraturday's.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's if it was actually a
Speaker 1: Friday or not, but I don't remember. When you start
Speaker 1: shooting the scene and Friday turns in Saturday and you
Speaker 1: are still shooting the scene and there's nothing to be
Speaker 1: done about it. You just gotta keep going. We really
Speaker 1: only had two of these lightning thunder lightning days, and
Speaker 1: both of those days we were stood in or around
Speaker 1: or on giant metal conductors, like the most dangerous possible element.
Speaker 1: There's other one is at the beginning of season two,
Speaker 1: where we were on the top of the container ship
Speaker 1: on the water and we could just see this thunderstorm
Speaker 1: rolling in from across the Great Lakes, the Great Ontario Lake,
Speaker 1: miles away, and we're like, it's fine, it's not a
Speaker 1: big deal. An hour later, it's closer and closer and
Speaker 1: closer and closer, and it's the same. It was just
Speaker 1: those two days where we were stood around maybe the
Speaker 1: most dangerous things that could possibly be stood around in
Speaker 1: a thunderstorm, as you do. But this is another thing
Speaker 1: that I want to give Pierre massive credit for and
Speaker 1: also us some credit for not laughing too many times,
Speaker 1: um a lot of times when you're on set. You know,
Speaker 1: we've discussed green screens, and we've discussed replacing different things
Speaker 1: in visual effects elements. When you have something that's in
Speaker 1: the middle of your set that's not a backdrop, they
Speaker 1: will paint it in in post production with a brilliant
Speaker 1: v effects team, but we all have to be looking
Speaker 1: at the same spot. So in order to get all
Speaker 1: of the actors and people in the scene to be
Speaker 1: looking at wherever they're going to paint it in, they'll
Speaker 1: often put a tennis ball on the end of a
Speaker 1: broom handle or some long stick of sorts and sort
Speaker 1: of waved around in the air, so all of our
Speaker 1: eyes have the same thing to track, and in this case,
Speaker 1: our lovely first a DP here because there are several
Speaker 1: werewolves all over in this battle, running around, going and
Speaker 1: now they're over here, and now they're over here with
Speaker 1: the tennis ball in the end of a pool, and
Speaker 1: it took everything in us not to laugh as he
Speaker 1: was sort of painting this where we'll fight show puppet
Speaker 1: show for us, puppet show. It's a puppet show, absolute
Speaker 1: ludicrous and we there is actually a cool behind the
Speaker 1: scene shot of when were the the common Wall kind
Speaker 1: of demons. They were called the like worm creatures Create teen.
Speaker 1: Those were the alien Dravic demons. Yeah, so they That
Speaker 1: was a man in a suit holding two tennis balls
Speaker 1: at the at the time, and you know, it's one
Speaker 1: of those weird things that's on set. You know, you
Speaker 1: guys get to see the finished picture. You don't get
Speaker 1: to see a man in a morph suit or a
Speaker 1: spandex suit holding tennis balls coming out you're making noises,
Speaker 1: which is a very odd experience. I'm sure we have
Speaker 1: footage of it somewhere that we should try and share
Speaker 1: because it is a ludicrous thing to try and to
Speaker 1: try and and then also you know, heighten mistakes and
Speaker 1: like everyone's going to die. But this guy is running
Speaker 1: around with the tennis ball is a very odd position
Speaker 1: to be in. And when you're trying to remain some
Speaker 1: sort of modicum of fear or that assery or something
Speaker 1: in a scene and you're staring down a tennis ball. It, um, yeah,
Speaker 1: gets a bit simply get you tennis ball, especially at
Speaker 1: four in the morning when you've been up all night
Speaker 1: trying to count thunder strates. It just this was one
Speaker 1: of the first times where we all got the sillies,
Speaker 1: and I think we all bonded really as a cast,
Speaker 1: because your this is what I love about night shoots
Speaker 1: to any sort of mask that anybody where's it work.
Speaker 1: Anything that someone tries to present themselves as pretty much
Speaker 1: falls away after two am, when you're all on set
Speaker 1: and you're all tired, and it it becomes such a
Speaker 1: lovely experience because we get to see each other at
Speaker 1: our best and our worst at the beginning and the
Speaker 1: end of our day, and we get to be there
Speaker 1: for each other. And it really brought us closer together
Speaker 1: as a cast and and kind of started off our
Speaker 1: journey in a great way. Yeah, And we ended up
Speaker 1: with sort of like routines. You know, we knew these
Speaker 1: days are going to be long days when we started them.
Speaker 1: You know, you know that you're starting in the studio.
Speaker 1: We're starting with daylight and then we're going to be
Speaker 1: shooting until four or five, six seven in the morning.
Speaker 1: And Matt and I especially, we had one where we
Speaker 1: would look at each other at one point in the
Speaker 1: day and be like, is it rocket fuel time? Should
Speaker 1: we go and have some rocket fuel? And Matt or
Speaker 1: I would say no, it's not time yet, or like
Speaker 1: hell yeah, it is time. And rocket fuel for us
Speaker 1: is not recommended because it cannot be good for your heart.
Speaker 1: But it's a double espresso with honey and then it's
Speaker 1: hopped up with Americano coffee. It is like more caffeine
Speaker 1: than any human being should ever put in their body.
Speaker 1: But kept us going, you know, for these days where
Speaker 1: we had no choice but like we have to, we
Speaker 1: have to power through this um and we did. We
Speaker 1: ended up with these sort of routines of like right cool,
Speaker 1: like cats sleeping in her chair trying to grab her
Speaker 1: a coffee, you know, at times said we've got it,
Speaker 1: We've got more stuff to do yet, And this was yeah,
Speaker 1: as Cat says, this was sort of our first foray
Speaker 1: into like this is going to be our lives for
Speaker 1: a little while. This is going to be sort of
Speaker 1: the routine, and even as you know, many obstacles got
Speaker 1: on our way that night, it still ended up being
Speaker 1: I still have fond memories of that night and it's
Speaker 1: still it was still fun, and it was so encouraging
Speaker 1: even that early on that we found a way through
Speaker 1: it as a team, both on and off screen, and
Speaker 1: to sort of trust each other and trust these instincts
Speaker 1: in the same way that we see. And I didn't
Speaker 1: notice how kind of pivotal this scene was until I
Speaker 1: rewatched it. This is one of first scenes where as
Speaker 1: again often happens at the end of these episodes, these
Speaker 1: characters are confronted with choices, but they all begin to
Speaker 1: choose to trust each other. Clari is trusting her instincts
Speaker 1: and trusting Luke, telling Jason, no, it's okay, that's my dad.
Speaker 1: I trust him. Jace is putting his trust in Clary
Speaker 1: for one of the first times and going, Okay, she's
Speaker 1: been in this world long enough, We've taught her enough.
Speaker 1: Let's see where this goes. Simon is putting his trust
Speaker 1: in the Shadow Hunters to to protect Clary and protect Luke,
Speaker 1: and all of them are putting their trust in Magnus
Speaker 1: because I think it is Jace that goes. We have
Speaker 1: to get him to Magnus right because Luke Luke fights
Speaker 1: the pack leader and ends up killing THEO to become
Speaker 1: the leader of the pack. We see all the wolves
Speaker 1: bow down to Luke. As you know in in the
Speaker 1: werewolf tradition, if you due old pack leader and are successful,
Speaker 1: you are now the leader of the pack. Insert song here,
Speaker 1: I mean yeah. And then which which takes us to
Speaker 1: the end of this episode, which, like you say, is
Speaker 1: another choice. This time Jason's choice the correct that not
Speaker 1: the correct thing. The protocol would be to take look
Speaker 1: back to the institute, I believe, which is Alex's instinct,
Speaker 1: and Jase goes against that, which is our first real
Speaker 1: rocky moment for the parabit I like the first time
Speaker 1: they really separate and choose different paths. Um, We'll end
Speaker 1: this episode with this question and credit to which one
Speaker 1: of our lovely production team put this in, because this
Speaker 1: is a great question and I'm very excited to answer it.
Speaker 1: What are the parabit I? Where where have they come from? Historically?
Speaker 1: Where did we base them in? Has have there been
Speaker 1: any other historical, historical, historical, okay, historical parabitized is what
Speaker 1: I was trying to say, Cat you, I'm going to
Speaker 1: talk a little about where parabiti came from and what
Speaker 1: we developed into it. Um, why don't you have a
Speaker 1: think about if there are any other historical all historical
Speaker 1: parabities while I'm talking about this. So we actually briefly
Speaker 1: mentioned in another episode soul mates and where the concept
Speaker 1: of soulmates come from in sort of Greek law, Greek anthology,
Speaker 1: and the running theory that we sort of played with
Speaker 1: with this was soul mates is a theory that came
Speaker 1: from Zeus creating human beings. Zeus, the god of all God's,
Speaker 1: created human beings with two heads, forearms, and four legs
Speaker 1: and was terrified of how powerful these creatures were become,
Speaker 1: so he split them all in half and sent them
Speaker 1: off into different areas of the world, leaving two people
Speaker 1: with the same soul with that were connected with one soul.
Speaker 1: And that story, wherever it came from, is where we
Speaker 1: sort of developed the initial parabatie bond from these two
Speaker 1: people who were intrinsically connected in their souls, in the
Speaker 1: deepest part of them that they were, they were a
Speaker 1: part of each other. And the more we get into
Speaker 1: our story. Both Alec and Jace via the show get
Speaker 1: to sort of explore what Parabatie is and how important
Speaker 1: is and then also Matt and I get to explore
Speaker 1: that as well, which was really good fun. What can
Speaker 1: we do? What can't we do? Where is the relationship?
Speaker 1: And we get to see more and more how important
Speaker 1: they are to each other, especially through the first sort
Speaker 1: of half of season two, really get to focus on that,
Speaker 1: which was wonderful. Um And I think when you say,
Speaker 1: you know, the question here that's positive to me is
Speaker 1: if they are a real thing? And I wonder if
Speaker 1: that's even a question necessarily. I mean, of course it's
Speaker 1: a question. I suppose. The question I'm gonna answer is
Speaker 1: do you believe that they are a real thing? That's
Speaker 1: the question I'm going to answer, And I absolutely do.
Speaker 1: I absolutely do. I know that I have in my
Speaker 1: life the equivalent of parabat I in a few of
Speaker 1: my relationships. You know, we spoke about my relationship with
Speaker 1: Alberto before, who can sense when I'm struggling, and we'll
Speaker 1: deal with that. I have a similar rapport with Matt
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways now as one of my
Speaker 1: best friends. Who knows when something's up, or knows when
Speaker 1: it's time to step in or and ice versa. You know,
Speaker 1: help each other with whatever, even if it's you know
Speaker 1: as silly as is it time for rocket fuel on set,
Speaker 1: you know sort of sense that from each other. So
Speaker 1: I absolutely think parabita is a real thing. I just
Speaker 1: think different cultures over the years have had different names
Speaker 1: for it and a thing from soulmates to best friends
Speaker 1: to the more gen z BFFs. You know, it's I
Speaker 1: don't see too much of a difference between whatever you
Speaker 1: want to call it and the parabitie relationship. And it's
Speaker 1: it's very interesting because that does come into play in
Speaker 1: the show because and more so even in the books
Speaker 1: beyond the ones that we explore, there's the situation where
Speaker 1: this kind of gets delved into more with Emma Carstairs.
Speaker 1: But parabitae are not allowed to be romantically involved, and
Speaker 1: that's something that you know, it's it's a situation because
Speaker 1: you're in battle, and because you are fighting with each
Speaker 1: other but fighting alongside each other, you need to have
Speaker 1: a separation between the romance and the partnership. But I think,
Speaker 1: as you said, it's it becomes a very intimate relationship
Speaker 1: because it is on a metaphysical level, and those lines
Speaker 1: can be blurred. Um. I'm I have been looking and
Speaker 1: thinking about a few famous duos, and I have a
Speaker 1: couple to propose to you that could be para interest
Speaker 1: some some fictional, some not. I think Lewis and Clark
Speaker 1: had to have been duo, having explored the majority of
Speaker 1: the United States together. Rogers and Hammerstein, perhaps we're para.
Speaker 1: Having written a bunch of musicals. Bert and Ernie from
Speaker 1: Sesame Street I think are parabite. I mean they've got
Speaker 1: to be right. Potentially Elmo and Big Bird. I'm not
Speaker 1: really sure on that one. Sunny and Share. Maybe Sunny
Speaker 1: and Share, Soimon and Golf Uncle ye Abbott and Costello.
Speaker 1: We're getting into entertainment industry duos. Thelma and Louise could
Speaker 1: have also been very good one. But I'm trying to
Speaker 1: think of other famous historical duos that existed. What about
Speaker 1: like Caesar and Brutus. I mean maybe they Okay, they
Speaker 1: that could be an example of more of a um
Speaker 1: spoiler alert. Luke and Valentine parabitize situation where one betrays
Speaker 1: the other. Yeah, fascinating, how fun? Well you know what
Speaker 1: another fun thing for you guys, if you're if you're listening,
Speaker 1: tweet us people that you think historically we're parabiti or
Speaker 1: whether fictional or fact or alive or dead. You tell
Speaker 1: us if you think there have been examples of the
Speaker 1: parabitie relationship historically pre the show or after the show.
Speaker 1: You let us know if it's you know, it could
Speaker 1: be reality TV stars, it could be anything. You let
Speaker 1: us know if you think that they're they're out there
Speaker 1: and will judge quizzically your responses past, present, and yet
Speaker 1: to come, the present yet to come? Do you have
Speaker 1: parabitizer there but yeah, yet to come? As an interesting one,
Speaker 1: do you think there are relationships out there that have
Speaker 1: the legs to become a parabitie relationship? That's interesting? Let
Speaker 1: us know, let us know. Um, And with that, I
Speaker 1: think we've neatly come to the end of rewatch of
Speaker 1: episode five. Movesh you to go and we will see
Speaker 1: where we get. Let in episode six. There's so much
Speaker 1: coming in episode six I rewatched it. There's so much information.
Speaker 1: Not only do we get we get some flashbacks, we
Speaker 1: get to see parents. Okay, so let me tease you
Speaker 1: with this, dumb We get story time with Magnus. We
Speaker 1: get to see Harry making potions for the first time,
Speaker 1: which is wonderful. We get to see something that I
Speaker 1: didn't get to be there on set for but had
Speaker 1: so much joy watching you and Alberto do your first
Speaker 1: Simon Jason mission and do your first uh, you know,
Speaker 1: the first time you two were paired off alone for
Speaker 1: a few scenes and got to see you. Can see you,
Speaker 1: I think, because I know you both so well. I
Speaker 1: can see the two of you bonding as people well
Speaker 1: well as these scenes go on, and that's such a joy.
Speaker 1: But also seeing these characters in the same way that
Speaker 1: we saw Alecan Clary in episode five, kind of battle
Speaker 1: and bond and and not be able to resist, kind
Speaker 1: of teaching each other certain things and connecting. You see
Speaker 1: that with Simon and Jason this next episode, and a
Speaker 1: lot of Harry's little magnus isms that became so iconic
Speaker 1: in the future come up again in this episode. There's
Speaker 1: a big reveal both of a power and of a
Speaker 1: new character. At the end of episode six, Huh, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna have to go and rewatch it. The lovely Isaiah
Speaker 1: Mustafa himself explains it all to you. Interesting. Well, that's
Speaker 1: that's the rest of my day sorted. I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: and rewatch that. Thank you so much everyone for listening
Speaker 1: and for watching. Thank you for being our fans and
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Speaker 1: is hosted an executive produced by me Domin Sherwood and
Speaker 1: Katherine McNamara. Our executive producer is Lingley. Our senior producers
Speaker 1: are Liz Hayes and Diego Tapia, and our producers are
Speaker 1: Hannah Harris and Kristin m Original music by Alex Kinsey,
Speaker 1: performed by Alex Kinsey and Katherine McNamara, and the episode
Speaker 1: was mixed by Seth Alansky.