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Speaker 1: Hello, everybody, Welcome into the Fantasy Pros Football Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: Ryan Warmley, joined today by Andrew Erickson and by Pat

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Speaker 1: Fitz Morris Fellas. We're talking some draft or pass on

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Speaker 1: certain players for twenty twenty five drafts. We put together

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Speaker 1: some names that our producer John put together, and they

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Speaker 1: are intended to be based on your guys' rankings, Names

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Speaker 1: that we think you will maybe disagree with each other on.

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Speaker 1: You don't have to force it if you don't disagree

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Speaker 1: with each other, but we tried to pick these names

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Speaker 1: ahead of time knowing that you guys, i'd at least

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Speaker 1: do differentiate in how you're ranking them. Currently, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: be going based off our half PPR rankings, so we'll

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Speaker 1: give everybody kind of the overall consensus ranking and ECR,

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Speaker 1: and then the guys will kind of share what they

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Speaker 1: think about this player and if at this cost they

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Speaker 1: are drafting or passing on these guys. Fitz, I am

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Speaker 1: glad you made the time because you it sounds like

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Speaker 1: have had quite a day.

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Speaker 2: Yes, new furnace, new air conditioner, and you know, getting

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Speaker 2: those things changed over on a ninety eight degree in

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Speaker 2: degree day in Chicago. Met knowing see for a big

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Speaker 2: chunk of the day. And I'm a guy who likes

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Speaker 2: his ac So yeah, it's been a long, hot day.

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Speaker 2: But you know, I'm now I'm gonna get heated up

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Speaker 2: arguing with Ericson about some of these players he's totally

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Speaker 2: wrong about.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, it's been a hot day, So

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Speaker 1: I'm expecting some hot takes from fits here as we

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Speaker 1: get into all the different players. Ericson, You've got a

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Speaker 1: move coming up soon yourself. You're just tell me about

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Speaker 1: that before the show.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we close on the wife and I closed on

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Speaker 3: our house last week, so very excited about that. Also

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Speaker 3: celebrated our one year anniversary, so very excited. Next steps, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: next month it's going to be moving into a new house.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna have a whole new background set up, so

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Speaker 3: it should be a lot of fun. And regards to

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Speaker 3: the heat, I am now currently on my third shirt

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Speaker 3: of today.

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Speaker 1: We we the last several days have been like one

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Speaker 1: hundred degrees out here Denver. Today it was in like

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Speaker 1: the low sixties for at least in the morning when

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Speaker 1: I was outside, so it was very surprise. I was

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Speaker 1: wearing a sweatshirt walking my dog this morning, which was

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Speaker 1: literally yesterday. I was like, I was doing some weeding

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Speaker 1: and I couldn't go for about more than fifteen minutes,

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Speaker 1: So very very sudden turnaround here in Denver. That's enough

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Speaker 1: complaining about the weather. Let's dive into draft or pass

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Speaker 1: quicker minder for everybody. Like I said, we're gonna be

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Speaker 1: referencing the half EPR rankings. You can find those rankings

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Speaker 1: and all of our consensus twenty twenty five rankings and

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Speaker 1: tiers at fantasypros dot com slash rankings. You can also

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Speaker 1: find Ericson's rankings and fits his rankings there if you

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Speaker 1: want to look at where they have these guys individually.

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Speaker 1: Let's start here at the top. We're going to kind

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Speaker 1: of work our way down through the draft, so we'll

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Speaker 1: start with some of the early round guys, then some

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Speaker 1: I'm going to kind of present the player. You guys

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Speaker 1: here on this player at their costs. We'll start off

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Speaker 1: with Saquon Barkley, who obviously is coming off a league

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Speaker 1: winning season. He was, you know, the best or second

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Speaker 1: best you himrh Jamar Chase a player in fantasy last year,

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Speaker 1: just a remarkable two thousand rushing yard season, his first

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Speaker 1: who a lot of folks are projecting to surpassing this year.

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Speaker 1: But third overall player fits is that a player you

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Speaker 2: I have done one draft for a redraft league, and

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Speaker 2: I did, in fact, end up with Saquon Barkley in

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Speaker 2: understand the point Ericson is probably gonna make here, which

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Speaker 2: hundred and eighty two touches last season when you include

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Speaker 2: used to be for Saquon. He had thirty three catches

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Speaker 2: that is. But Saquon's a special player and he has

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Speaker 2: Saquon could break down after a season of such heavy usage,

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Speaker 1: So Eric, so base on your ranking. I'm assuming that

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Speaker 1: this will be a pass for you. And I'm wondering

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Speaker 1: if Fits's point about if he is healthy, it's hard

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Speaker 3: I think that he's definitely due for significant amount of

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Speaker 3: regression from a production standpoint the fact that he doesn't

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Speaker 3: I was definitely sweating out the push push type of ruling.

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Speaker 3: Matt Barkley's going to score twenty plus touchdowns like that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm definitely interested. We actually have I'm doing one

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Speaker 1: talking about Saquon overcoming some of this history of players

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So only two running backs have finished arey one

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Speaker 3: following you after leaving the NFL and touches since twenty thirteen.

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Speaker 3: Of the last twelve running backs at least four hundred

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Speaker 3: NFL that led the NFL in touches. Five of them

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Speaker 3: So for me, it's following a process. I trust. This

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Speaker 3: I know that he's ranked below ECR, but you know

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Speaker 3: I like Bjeon more than Barkley. I'd rather have Gibbs

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Speaker 3: can't draft Jamir Gibbs. I want to draft these running

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Speaker 3: Last time we saw that combination. Ceedee Lamb was wide

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Speaker 3: think even the highest Barkley stands would say he probably

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Speaker 3: I just don't see the I don't want to say

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Speaker 1: So, Fitz, before we move off of Saquon, let's concede,

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Speaker 1: just for the sake of argument, that he should be

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Speaker 1: his position. You know, I think it's a very valid

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Speaker 2: If you're in the league where you have to start

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Speaker 2: three receivers every week, absolutely, if you're in a receiver

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Speaker 2: taking Saquon over every wide receiver except for possibly jamar Chez.

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Speaker 1: All right, so let's go now to a tight end. Actually,

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Speaker 1: Trey McBride player I'm very excited about this year. He

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Speaker 3: So with McBride, I'm in line with consensus where I

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Speaker 3: Marvin Harrison Junior in the end zone, as I know

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Speaker 3: too well for losing so much money on Trey McBride

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Speaker 3: anytime touchdowns last season, as listeners of the show are

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Speaker 3: too familiar with. But I just think there's so many

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Speaker 3: late run options that I like at cost Tucker Kraft,

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Speaker 3: So he's going to be a pass for me.

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Speaker 1: So he's a pass even though he's more aligned with

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I am passing, and I'm not here to Ritt McBride.

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Speaker 1: I am very excited about Trey McBride this year. I

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Speaker 3: Deebro's not gonna be happy about that.

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Speaker 3: Actually all all three of us have three different tight end.

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Speaker 3: I'm just following the ECR between uh, Bowers, McBride, Kittle.

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Speaker 1: here for draft or past Mike Evans. He's thirty fourth

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Speaker 1: overall in ECR. That is wide receiver sixteen fits. I'll

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Speaker 2: As my buddy Scott Pinowski Yahoo says, when has anyone

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Speaker 2: ever drafted Mike Evans and regretted it? So I think

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Speaker 2: I think i've Evans wide receiver fifteen thirty fourth overall.

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Speaker 2: I'm not that worried about age. Evans turns thirty two

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Speaker 2: wonder if it might be a struggle for Evans to

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Speaker 2: good chance he gives us double digit touchdowns for what

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Speaker 1: I know that Hall of Famers kind of play by

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Speaker 1: we've seen it so many times that when it goes,

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Speaker 1: I'm a little concerned to Erickson about just a new

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Speaker 1: So Mike Evans for you again, thirty fourth overall wide

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Speaker 3: I just think he's a really solid fantasy wide receiver too.

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Speaker 3: I think that's what he's going to be. I don't

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Speaker 3: And yes, Evans has moments where he missed his games

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Speaker 3: compared Toubahabbard at his price.

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Speaker 1: I think I'm about even with where Hubbard is in

432
00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,200
Speaker 1: terms of ECR. I don't feel like he's too high

433
00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:25,440
Speaker 1: or too low. Part of it is just some of

434
00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:27,080
Speaker 1: the players around him. I have a hard time kind

435
00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:29,600
Speaker 1: of moving some of them ahead of him or below him.

436
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Speaker 1: Erickson obviously thinks this is too high fits What do

437
00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:34,640
Speaker 1: you think? Forty sixth overall RB eighteen.

438
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Speaker 2: I think Erickson is never going to have any sort

439
00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:42,800
Speaker 2: of career as an investigator because he is overlooking the

440
00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:47,360
Speaker 2: principal rule, follow the money. The Panthers told us how

441
00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:49,960
Speaker 2: they feel about their running back situation with the contracts

442
00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,200
Speaker 2: that handed out. They gave Chewba Hubbard a four year,

443
00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:55,760
Speaker 2: thirty three million dollars deal with about sixteen and a

444
00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:59,600
Speaker 2: half million guaranteed. Rico Dowdell got a one year deal

445
00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:05,119
Speaker 2: two point seventy five million. So Hubbard's going to be

446
00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:08,560
Speaker 2: the guy to start the season. And it's possible Cuba

447
00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:11,000
Speaker 2: Hubbard could stank and Rico Dowell could be really good

448
00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:15,720
Speaker 2: and they change horses at some point, But no reason

449
00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:18,040
Speaker 2: to think Hubbard's gonna stink. He was really good last year.

450
00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:20,879
Speaker 2: Four point eight yards per carry, ranked eighth in yards

451
00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:23,480
Speaker 2: after contact per attempt among running backs with at least

452
00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,639
Speaker 2: one hundred carries. Cuba was eleventh among running backs and

453
00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:30,439
Speaker 2: miss tackles forced caught forty three passes RB twelve, and

454
00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:34,800
Speaker 2: fantasy points per game and half point PPR so man

455
00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:37,439
Speaker 2: even with the signing of Dowdell and the drafting of

456
00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:41,359
Speaker 2: Trevor Etn, I'm not that worried about Cuba's job security,

457
00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,879
Speaker 2: and there's a reason to be optimistic about the trajectory

458
00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:47,080
Speaker 2: the Carolina offense, which was pretty good down the stretch

459
00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:49,920
Speaker 2: in the first year with Dave Canalis's head coach, and

460
00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,119
Speaker 2: Carolina has got a good offensive line. PFF had the

461
00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:55,960
Speaker 2: Panthers ranked seventh and run blocking grade last season, So

462
00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:58,840
Speaker 2: I'm totally on board with Hubbard at that price.

463
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Speaker 1: Erickson, you said, unless I'm misremembering or misshard, you that

464
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Speaker 1: you thought you thought it could be a one to

465
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Speaker 1: a one B situation. What kind of touch breakdown is

466
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Speaker 1: that for you? Is that like fifty five forty five,

467
00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,000
Speaker 1: Is it close to fifty to fifty or do you

468
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Speaker 1: think it could be more like sixty forty or more disparity.

469
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Speaker 3: Fifteen ten, whatever, whatever, that would accumulate to be so

470
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Speaker 3: I can't do I can't do the math. You can't

471
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Speaker 3: put me on the spot like this. So for every fifteen.

472
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Speaker 1: Touches you, yeah, that would be sixty four Okay.

473
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Speaker 3: Sixty forty. Yeah, that's that's what I think is realistic.

474
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Speaker 3: I think doubtll. I mean, Fitz did a great job

475
00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:37,240
Speaker 3: of listing off, like how good Hubbard was last year.

476
00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,679
Speaker 3: I want to give him his credit, but both of

477
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:41,880
Speaker 3: these guys rushed for one thousand yards last year. Both

478
00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,280
Speaker 3: the maverage over forore four point six yards for carry.

479
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,600
Speaker 3: Both of them were top twenty four running backs by PFF.

480
00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 3: They were both really good. So I just think that

481
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,320
Speaker 3: the coaching staff recognizes that Dwell is a very capable

482
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Speaker 3: running back and to keep Hubbard healthy now that they've

483
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,879
Speaker 3: invested in him, maybe they don't want to run him

484
00:22:57,880 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 3: into the ground because we paid this guy, so let's

485
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Speaker 3: keep it fresh. And I think last year they tried

486
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:03,600
Speaker 3: to do it at times, but everybody kept getting injured.

487
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 3: Jarathan Brooks injured, Miles Sanders injured. So I think that

488
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 3: for those reasons, again, I think that that was the

489
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,879
Speaker 3: better value where he's going because I think that he

490
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,480
Speaker 3: could see a decent amount of work in his backfield,

491
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Speaker 3: and looking at other running backs that go in this range,

492
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Speaker 3: I like James Connor more than Choba Hubbard. He goes

493
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,359
Speaker 3: in a very similar range to Chewba Hubbard, and I

494
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Speaker 3: think that he has a bigger gap on the RB

495
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Speaker 3: one role in Arizona versus Chewba Hubbard compared to Rico.

496
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497
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498
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499
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500
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501
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502
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503
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Speaker 3: benefits or something along those lines.

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Speaker 1: All right, guys, let's shift into more of the mid

532
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Speaker 1: round section here. We'll start with Jamison Williams. He's fifty

533
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 1: third overall wide receiver twenty six. A lot of hype

534
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 1: coming from Detroit about him as a major breakout potential

535
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 1: this year. Fits a start with you this time.

536
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 2: I'm going to pass on him at wide receiver twenty

537
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 2: six and as a fifth round pick at fifty three

538
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 2: overall a little too rich for me. I've him ranked

539
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 2: wide receiver thirty one. JMO is a really talented dude

540
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:41,880
Speaker 2: with a lot of big play potential, but it's going

541
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 2: to be kind of a bumpy ride because he is

542
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,360
Speaker 2: not a high volume guy. He averaged six point one

543
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:49,400
Speaker 2: targets a game last year. Then factor in the departure

544
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 2: of Ben Johnson along with the likelihood that Jared Goff's

545
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 2: career high touchdown rate from last year comes down, and

546
00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,919
Speaker 2: you know, Gough is maybe closer to thirty touchdown passes

547
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 2: in the thirty seven he had last year. So I

548
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 2: just I'm not quite on board with Jamison at that price.

549
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,719
Speaker 2: I like him better in Best Ball than in managed leagues.

550
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 2: You know, if you can get him as your wide

551
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 2: receiver three or something, I'm okay with that. But I

552
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 2: don't know, this just seems a bit too rich, Eerxon.

553
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,400
Speaker 1: I want to hear what you think about Jameson Williams

554
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 1: at fifty third overall wide receiver twenty six. But I'm

555
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 1: also curious if you agree with fits that you'd rather

556
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 1: have him in Best Ball as opposed to redraft or

557
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 1: are you just interested, regardless.

558
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 3: Interested regardless in James Sibiliams. So I'm going to be

559
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 3: drafting him. I just think that this is the year

560
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 3: that it's going to be all gas, you know, breaks

561
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,719
Speaker 3: for Jamison. The fact that they're talking about him as

562
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 3: a breakout candidate after what he did last year where

563
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:46,879
Speaker 3: I wasn't high up on Jamison. I was kind of

564
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 3: fed up the suspensions and the injury a prospect I

565
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,639
Speaker 3: was really high on coming out of Alabama and just

566
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,879
Speaker 3: never lived up to the draft capital. We finally did

567
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 3: that last year, and that was despite him getting suspended

568
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 3: again for doing for doing non football related activities. So

569
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 3: I think with Williams, he's just a really exciting player

570
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 3: week ten on where he was the wide receiver ten

571
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 3: and fantasy points per game, we saw him start to

572
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 3: really eat into I'm on Ross Saint Brown's target share.

573
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 3: Weeks go through eighteen, they had a very similar target share.

574
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 3: Now it's still in favor of the Lion slought receiver

575
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,199
Speaker 3: because of an eighteen target game that he had in

576
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,400
Speaker 3: week fifteen, But if you kind of remove that one

577
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 3: outlier game from the sample, it's pretty flat across the

578
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 3: board between JMO, Samuel Porda and I'm on Rossaint Brown.

579
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 3: Super explosive third NIFL yards catch per reception, and I

580
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,400
Speaker 3: do agree with Fitz where if Jared Goff is taking

581
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 3: a step back and he kind of finishes more as

582
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 3: a middle in quarterback. I know, like I'm specifically not

583
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 3: high on Golf in fantasy because I'm concerned about the

584
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 3: lack of rushing and some pending touchdown regression coming for him.

585
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 3: But if a player can make up for that, it's

586
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 3: by their own ability, and we've seen Jameson make plays

587
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 3: on his own regardless of the quarterback play. So he

588
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 3: scored fifteen career touchdowns, nine of them been in plays

589
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 3: of forty or more yards. So this guy is just

590
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 3: an explosive playmaker. If anything, when I think about how

591
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 3: exciting me is, it reminds me a lot of the

592
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 3: to michell A season that was Will Fuller, where you

593
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 3: just see this guy play and he just has these

594
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 3: insane weeks, but then he gets injured and you're just

595
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,199
Speaker 3: pulling your hair out. You absolutely love the player, but

596
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 3: he's so frustrating. And that's been the Jamison experience the

597
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 3: first three seasons of his NFL career. Just super high highs,

598
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 3: especially last year, but really low lows. But I think

599
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 3: this year again, away from Ben Johnson, there's an opportunity.

600
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,199
Speaker 3: I think that a new offensive coordinator comes in and

601
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 3: puts his wrinkle on this offense, and maybe that means, hey,

602
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,479
Speaker 3: we're gonna feature Jameson Williams more. We're gonna give him

603
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 3: more layup, We're gonna get him in space because we

604
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 3: need to help Jared Goff a little bit more because

605
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 3: of the offensive line concerns. You know, the center retired,

606
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 3: So putting it into your most expulsive playmaker's hands, that's

607
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 3: why I'm still have confident in guys like Jamo and

608
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 3: Jamier Gibbs. And why again my concerns with Jared Goff

609
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 3: or more related to aman Rossaint Brown. Where was he

610
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 3: more favoring from the system, from the slot, gobbling all

611
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 3: the volume? What if the volume evens out? You know,

612
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 3: James Wims is a former first round pick. He because

613
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 3: a twelfth overall pick in the NFL draft. This guy

614
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 3: is super talented. So I want to make the bet

615
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 3: in round five on a guy taking a major leap

616
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 3: and I think that he's a dark horse to be

617
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 3: a top twelve wide receiver.

618
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 2: Ericson can't ever be an investigator and he can't be

619
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 2: a salesman because he's trying to make a case for

620
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 2: Jamison Williams and he's thrown will Fuller's name around.

621
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 3: Remember the will Force start with DeAndre Hopkins was gone

622
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 3: for that offense?

623
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 2: Oh wow, Spectach it was.

624
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 3: It was amazing fits.

625
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 1: Unlike a lot of the other players were talking about today,

626
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: there's a lot of names on here that are maybe

627
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 1: they would fall under the umbrella of like a boring,

628
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 1: veteran type of pick. Jameson Williams is the up and comer,

629
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: like high upside. It's fun to imagine the possibilities when

630
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 1: you make a pick like that when you pass on him,

631
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 1: given your ranking fits, do you feel any fomo like

632
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: this is a pass that could really burn me Because

633
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,479
Speaker 1: some of the other names on this list, it feels

634
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 1: like it's more of a you know, maybe you value

635
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: the floor instead of the ceiling, stuff like that. This

636
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: is one where the ceiling is fun to think about.

637
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 2: It is, and you know, I think the scenario that

638
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 2: could make you regret it would be like if anything

639
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 2: happened to a'm and Ross Saint Brown, who's been really

640
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 2: durable throughout his career, but like, obviously they would endeavor

641
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 2: to get the ball into Jamo's hands a whole lot

642
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 2: more if a'man Ross Saint Brown ever missed time.

643
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 1: Jameson Williams could be anything. He could even be will Fuller.

644
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 3: We'll see who not suspended able Fuller.

645
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: Let's go to a quarterback here in the mid round.

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Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes obviously considered by pretty much everybody to be

647
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Speaker 1: the best quarterback in football, but not the best quarterback

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Speaker 1: in fantasy football. He's QB seven in ECR sixtieth. Overall,

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Speaker 1: this has been a multi year stretch of him being

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Speaker 1: disappointment in a disappointment in fantasy relative to this type

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Speaker 1: of quarterback he is in real life ericson I'll start

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Speaker 1: with you on this one. Are you drafting or passing

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Speaker 1: on Patrick Mahomes at sixtieth overall?

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Speaker 3: So similar to the Trey McBride conversation, I think that

655
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Speaker 3: he's fine where he is in the quarterback rankings. I'm

656
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Speaker 3: actually higher on ECR than him, have QB six, but

657
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Speaker 3: looking at the twenty twenty five quarterback board, I'm going

658
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Speaker 3: on a round quarterback. There are so many guys entering

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Speaker 3: their second season that off a rushing upside that go

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Speaker 3: outside the top one hundred picks. That's the value that

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Speaker 3: I want to play here. I think that with Mahomes specifically,

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Speaker 3: he's probably a player i'd be interested in super flex

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Speaker 3: where he is going to fall a little bit more

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Speaker 3: compared to past years where he's basically been a top

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Speaker 3: five super flex selection. So in those scenarios, I want

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Speaker 3: to say that I'm in on Patrick Mahomes because I

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Speaker 3: think that to your point where and you just talked

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Speaker 3: about how he's one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL,

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Speaker 3: but he's not scoring fantasy points. Eventually, that's that's not

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Speaker 3: gonna be the case. Eventually, the Chiefs are going to say,

671
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Speaker 3: you know what, we're sick of winning all these games.

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Speaker 3: We just want to have fun again. They went for

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Speaker 3: the three p last year. It didn't work out. They

674
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Speaker 3: were trying to win all these close games, playing really

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Speaker 3: really close to the best. No, like, we're gonna go

676
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Speaker 3: out and have them. We're gonna have my home sling it.

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Speaker 3: That's why they drafted Xavier Worthies so I could throw

678
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Speaker 3: the ball down again. Screw the two I safeties, don't care.

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Speaker 3: They're going to have more fun. And it reminds me

680
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Speaker 3: a little bit about the Patriots dynasty, where there were

681
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Speaker 3: some seasons where Tom Brady wasn't really there statistically. Everyone

682
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Speaker 3: still knew he was a top tier quarterback. No one

683
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Speaker 3: it would suggest, oh, he's really fallen off his game,

684
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Speaker 3: but the numbers weren't there as they were kind of

685
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Speaker 3: going through, all right, what's our offensive identity. And we've

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Speaker 3: seen the last couple of years with Mahomes or like

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Speaker 3: you said, he's been down in the last two seasons.

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Speaker 3: I just think eventually it's going to increase and Chase

689
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Speaker 3: were second and pass right over expectation. They love to

690
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Speaker 3: throw the ball, love to throw the ball. In the

691
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Speaker 3: red zone. Are we expecting Pacheco to score fifteen rushing

692
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Speaker 3: touchdowns this season? I don't think so. And if Rashie Rice,

693
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Speaker 3: if you ever worthy or healthy, I think we could

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Speaker 3: see Mahomes go back to averaging over twenty fantasy points

695
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Speaker 3: per game from Week eight onward. Last year, he was

696
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Speaker 3: averaging twenty one points per game once we saw a

697
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Speaker 3: worthy kind of hit his stride. So again, strategically, I

698
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Speaker 3: want to go late run quarterbacks, so I won't be

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Speaker 3: drafting necessarily a ton of Mahomes, but especially in super flex,

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Speaker 3: where I could see him going in the end of

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Speaker 3: round one, maybe even round because there are concerns where

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Speaker 3: you could see some of the top running backs and

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Speaker 3: receivers go before him. That's where I'm gonna be circling

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Speaker 3: him on draft boards.

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Speaker 1: Fitz, I wonder if you have a similar approach to

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Speaker 1: Erickson here, because it looks like based on your rankings,

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Speaker 1: you are higher than consensus amongst quarterbacks, but lower than

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Speaker 1: consensus on the overall rankings on Patrick Mahomes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I've got well, let's see, I've got Mahomes

710
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Speaker 2: QB six and fifty ninth overall. So I think I

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Speaker 2: am maybe a little bit above consensus on him.

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Speaker 3: Overall.

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Speaker 2: I'm sort of with Ericson in that I kind of

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Speaker 2: wouldn't wait on quarterback two and I think, you know,

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Speaker 2: I'll be fighting Ericson for Drake may and drafts we're

716
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Speaker 2: in together. Justin Fields is another favorite target. But there

717
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Speaker 2: is an upside case to be made for Mahomes, especially

718
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Speaker 2: now that he's getting drafted. Behind the big five at

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Speaker 2: quarterback Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Jaden Daniels, Jalen Hurts, Joe

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Speaker 2: Burrow and sometimes behind Baker Mayfield. Mahomes is now pretty

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Speaker 2: flush at wide receivers with Rashid Rice healthy again, Xavier Worthy,

722
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Speaker 2: Hollywood Brown rookie Jalen Royals, and Travis Kelsey is still kicking.

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Speaker 2: So I just I wonder if maybe we'll see more

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Speaker 2: verticality in the Chiefs passing game. Mahomes has averaged under

725
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Speaker 2: seven intended air yards per pass in each of the

726
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Speaker 2: last two years. He averaged a career low six point

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Speaker 2: two intended air yards per throw last season. He was

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Speaker 2: at seven point two in twenty twenty two. He was

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Speaker 2: over eight in twenty nineteen and twenty twenty like not coincidentally,

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Speaker 2: Mahomes averaged a career low two hundred and forty five

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Speaker 2: point five passing yards per game last season. He's also

732
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Speaker 2: pretty low touchdown rates in each of the last two

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Speaker 2: years four point five percent both seasons. Before twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 2: mahomes seasonal touchdown rates range from five point four percent

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Speaker 2: to eight point six percent. So Mahomes could conceivably get

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Speaker 2: a bounce in some of these categories. Now that it

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Speaker 2: looks like the wide receiver position isn't going to be

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Speaker 2: a liability the Chiefs.

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Speaker 1: I find myself approaching quarterback position like I am not

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Speaker 1: saying that I will definitely go late round no matter what,

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Speaker 1: because I am actually kind of interested in getting one

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Speaker 1: of Lamar, Josh Allen or Jaden Daniels. But if I

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Speaker 1: don't get one of those kind of elite top three

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Speaker 1: or four, there is like no chance I will be

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Speaker 1: drafting the sixth or seventh quarterback off the board this

746
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Speaker 1: season because if I'm not getting an elite guy, I

747
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Speaker 1: want to take the thirteenth or fourteenth quarterback off the

748
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Speaker 1: board because I don't see a wide gap between QB

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Speaker 1: seven and QB fourteen this season. I think it's a

750
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Speaker 1: massive tier between the elite and the guys that you

751
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Speaker 1: really don't want. I think the guys that you're going

752
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Speaker 1: to be excited about and paint a picture of upside

753
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Speaker 1: from is like twelve names deep. So I will not

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Speaker 1: be taken the first of that group, where Mahomes tends

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Speaker 1: to be at the top of that range. So I

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Speaker 1: anticipate having very little Mahomes this year. I think I

757
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Speaker 1: will either get a true stud early or be waiting

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Speaker 1: to go later. Eric said, I know you said you're

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Speaker 1: doing late round. Do you have any interesting kind of

760
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Speaker 1: that elite three? By the way, before we move off this.

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Speaker 3: I think for me, not really. I just like the

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Speaker 3: late round quarterbacks has always kind of been my strategy.

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Speaker 3: And maybe that's to my detriment that I haven't been

764
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Speaker 3: drafting the more of these elite mobile quarterbacks. But last

765
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Speaker 3: year I was with the I mean, I think a

766
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Speaker 3: lot of us were straft Jane Daniels. I don't need Lamar,

767
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 3: I don't need josh Awen, just need Jane Daniels. And

768
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Speaker 3: I just see so many guys with a potential to

769
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Speaker 3: be last year's Jane Daniels. Not gonna say rookies, but

770
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Speaker 3: second year, quarterbacks up and coming better systems that rush.

771
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Speaker 3: Caleb Williams and Drake May are the top two names.

772
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Speaker 3: I mean, guys like a bo Nix, like Kyler Murray.

773
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Speaker 3: You see so many players that offer rushing juice that

774
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Speaker 3: can also you know, we're expecting improvement as passers. So yeah,

775
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Speaker 3: I think for me it's still like late round.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that is true, and we all as

777
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Speaker 1: a show were very high in Jane Daniels, but I

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Speaker 1: do feel like a lot of yours there are quarterbacks

779
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Speaker 1: that don't hit. I mean even last year. I was

780
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Speaker 1: also high in Caleb Williams as a rookie, and that

781
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Speaker 1: really backfired even though you know, so I hte one

782
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Speaker 1: for two out of those two. But you can wait

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Speaker 1: and then you are left very behind at a position

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Speaker 1: that scores the most points.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think it's important to recognize that when you

786
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Speaker 3: are approaching with a late round quarterback. I know, in

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Speaker 3: the one league that I one of my bigger leagues

788
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Speaker 3: that I won last year, you know, the first quarterback

789
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 3: GO drafted was Anthony Richardson. He was horrible, but you

790
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,479
Speaker 3: know why, I also drafted Jane Daniels, So it didn't

791
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 3: it didn't matter that I had wasted that six round pick,

792
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Speaker 3: kind of similar to where Mahomes is going, because I

793
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 3: ended up going the late round quarterback. So I do

794
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Speaker 3: think go because I've seen with Mahomes in some of

795
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Speaker 3: these best fall drafts where he falls because there are

796
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Speaker 3: people that are kind of fed up with the last

797
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 3: two years and the two I safety Mahomes is not

798
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 3: fun anymore, blah blah blah, and he starts to fall.

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Speaker 3: And that's why I pointed out super flex formats where

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Speaker 3: that's really where I'm kind of interested to see where

801
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:51,760
Speaker 3: he goes, because I think you're going to start to see,

802
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 3: like fits a Living too, top five quarterbacks, bang bang

803
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 3: bang bang, and then you can see, Okay, here goes Chase,

804
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Speaker 3: and there goes b John and maybe Barkley and then

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00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 3: maybe I Mahomes kind of trickle down to the end

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Speaker 3: of round one or beginning of round two, where I

807
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 3: don't care remember the last time he ever went that

808
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Speaker 3: late in a super flex draft.

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Speaker 1: let's go to Brian Robinson fits starting with you here

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Speaker 1: are drafting or passing seventy seventh overall, RB thirty.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess drafting, because that's exactly where I have

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Speaker 2: him ranked RB thirty seventy seven overall. Yeah. And I

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Speaker 2: can make the analysis pretty short here, solid if on

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Speaker 1: Ericson keeping it short and simple too.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know if I can follow up

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Speaker 3: this his ringing endorsement for Brian Robinson, but I kind

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Speaker 3: of feel the same way. And hey, like carbon Copy

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Speaker 3: Fantasy RB two got some touchdown upside that just kind

859
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 3: of feels like Brian Robinson. He's fine. If you need

860
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:47,439
Speaker 3: a RB two RB three with some touchdown equity, that's

861
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 3: your guy. I will point out, though, I think where

862
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 3: I'm going to project projecting him, I'm going into my

863
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 3: oracle phase here where Brian Robinson is going to be

864
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 3: a guy we talk about on the trade show if

865
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 3: we're on it together this year, as a guy we're

866
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 3: going to sell high. Because you look at the Commander

867
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 3: schedule Giants Week one, Packers, Raiders, Falcons, pretty favorable schedule

868
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,439
Speaker 3: for a early down running back. Commander's offense starts out

869
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 3: winning a lot of these games. But we kind of

870
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:14,839
Speaker 3: know who Brian Robinson is. I don't think that he's

871
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 3: going to a send as an elite talent, so I

872
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,439
Speaker 3: think that if he runs hot with touchdowns. He saw

873
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 3: a lot of the red zone usage for the Commanders

874
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 3: last year. I pulled this from Deep ro ten games

875
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 3: at least a forty percent snap rate, Robinson had the

876
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 3: fourth most carries inside the ten yard line, So Scott

877
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 3: touched on upside. I think he's going to cash in

878
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 3: early on in the season. They could probably sell him

879
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 3: a lot for them more what he's probably worth.

880
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, fits with Robinson. Is it like for somebody on

881
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 1: this show. It feels weird to say this, but it

882
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 1: feels like he the range of outcomes barring injury is

883
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: not very wide for him. It's very hard for me

884
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 1: to paint a picture that he finishes as a league

885
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 1: winner who's like RB seven at the end of the season.

886
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 1: But it's also hard for me to imagine, barring injury,

887
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 1: that he too much lower than where he's ranked. It

888
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 1: feels like this is just kind of where he is,

889
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: and maybe that's a good thing in terms of finding value,

890
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 1: because people on draft day your fancy managers like the

891
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: big exciting thing. It's harder to paint that picture with him,

892
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 1: but it feels like more of a sure thing.

893
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 2: Right because Austin Eckler is going to get some of

894
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 2: the work there, He's going to get a lot of

895
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 2: the snaps, and if Factler gets hurt, it's not just

896
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 2: going to be all Robinson. It's going to be some

897
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 2: other tag team partner for Robinson. And you know, the

898
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,760
Speaker 2: only threat. I know some people like Jacry krossky Merritt,

899
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 2: but he was what a seventh rounder, so that would

900
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,839
Speaker 2: be pretty far fetched for him to come in and

901
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 2: poach Brian Robinson's job. Not that it couldn't happen, but

902
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 2: so yeah, I agree with you. It's a pretty narrow

903
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 2: range of possible outcomes, or so it seems.

904
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: Let's go to I think probably the oldest name on

905
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:51,720
Speaker 1: this list. I didn't actually check, but I can't imagine

906
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 1: anybody's older Travis Kelcey as a mid round pick here,

907
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:56,879
Speaker 1: obviously a guy who's been in the early rounds many,

908
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: many times over his career. He's tight end seven eighty

909
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 1: third overall. Ericson are you drafting or passing on Kelsey?

910
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 3: Here, I am not drafting Travis Kelcey. Here. We saw

911
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 3: last year he hit the age cliff, and I know

912
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,760
Speaker 3: that the offseason reports have been pretty positive for Kelsey.

913
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 3: Samon feels good. He didn't really think that much about retiring.

914
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 3: He always knew he was gonna come back. But just

915
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 3: the way that things ended last year was just so bad. Me.

916
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 3: He had that one big catch and run in the

917
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 3: Houston playoff game and everyone was convinced, myself included wrongly,

918
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 3: that oh he's back, like Travis Kelcey, playoff mode is back.

919
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 3: And then he just was a non factor in the

920
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:36,919
Speaker 3: Chief's other two postseason games. I think for him it's

921
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 3: just he's touchdown or bust. He still has a really

922
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 3: good red zone role in the Chiefs offense. He was

923
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 3: number one in terms of red zone targets last year

924
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:49,359
Speaker 3: from mahomes. But how does that change with Rashie Rice

925
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 3: and Xader Worthy? You know, taking steps forward if Rice

926
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 3: is healthy and if Worthy takes a step forward in

927
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 3: year two, what about markis Brown and coming back? Just

928
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 3: say they have healthy receivers. So I get seeing Kelsey's

929
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 3: ninety seven catches last year and thinking, oh man, this

930
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 3: guy is a screaming value. But I don't think that

931
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 3: he and Rice necessarily overlap to benefit each other. I

932
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 3: think it's really one guy or the other because you

933
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,359
Speaker 3: just look at the first three games Kelsey had. Now

934
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 3: we're near the amount of volume he saw without Rice

935
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 3: in the lineup, So for me, it's just too early.

936
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,399
Speaker 3: Similar of he has a Mark Andrews season from last

937
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 3: year where he scores some touchdowns. His final numbers don't

938
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 3: look that bad. But the ride that you're on with

939
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 3: Travis Kelcey in twenty twenty five, if it's anything like

940
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 3: Mark and Andrews last year, which I was on way

941
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 3: too much. It was not fun and I don't want

942
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:35,720
Speaker 3: to go on it again.

943
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: Do you think Kelsey ends up as like one, just

944
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 1: like every other tight end essentially that is just tight

945
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,800
Speaker 1: end or touchdown or bust each week.

946
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:48,399
Speaker 3: I do. I think that's kind of what his skill

947
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 3: set is. I mean, he's a diminishing skill set and

948
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 3: he's thirty five years old. Yes, he can catch touchdowns,

949
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 3: but there's a lot of tight ends that can touch

950
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 3: touches it and even in his area. Again, I talked

951
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 3: about some of these late round tight ends, David and

952
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 3: Joku goes after Travis Kels Gavin jo who could lead

953
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 3: his team in target David Joke would see over one

954
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,800
Speaker 3: hundred targets in the Browns offense, and he's basically free

955
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 3: where Travis Kelcey goes several rounds ahead. So I'd rather

956
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 3: have a joke who in some of the other late

957
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:11,800
Speaker 3: round Titans I've talked about already.

958
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I asked that because even if you view him

959
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,720
Speaker 1: in that light, even in the last two years prior

960
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 1: to you know, possibly falling off the age cliff, he's

961
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: only had eight combined touchdowns, Like like twenty twenty three

962
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 1: he only had five receiving touchdowns and then last year

963
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: obviously just three. So if he is touchdown or bust,

964
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 1: like if Mark Andrews is touched down our bust, we

965
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 1: know he's still getting touchdowns at the very least, even

966
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,360
Speaker 1: if he's not doing anything else because he's a favorite

967
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 1: target there. I don't even know if that's the way

968
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 1: the Chiefs are really using Kelsey at this point in

969
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 1: his career. Fits again. Eighty third overall tight end, seven

970
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: draft pass I'm drafting.

971
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 2: I think he's a value and like the dude's still

972
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 2: in ninety seven catches last year and he was held

973
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 2: out in.

974
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 3: Week but Rice wasn't playing. That's the only thing. How

975
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,359
Speaker 3: much does that matter if Rice is back? I got

976
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,359
Speaker 3: to cut. I agree, he's kind of like I don't know.

977
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 2: Like my my over under for Kelsey on receptions is

978
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:06,240
Speaker 2: probably closer to seventy five than up in triple digits.

979
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,240
Speaker 2: So like, I'm not expecting a vintage Travis Kelce season.

980
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 2: And yeah, you have to acknowledge that he was way

981
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 2: down last year in the efficiency stats yards per catch,

982
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 2: arts per target, yards per outrun. But like he had

983
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 2: really bad touchdown luck, as you said Ericson, Like he

984
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 2: led the team in red zone targets twenty five nine

985
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 2: targets from the ten yard lineter closer only three touchdowns.

986
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:31,399
Speaker 2: I mean that suggests he had some touchdown misfortune last year,

987
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 2: So we could get a bounce there. And yeah, like

988
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:39,280
Speaker 2: I know, if the receivers stay healthy, because the Chiefs

989
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 2: now look pretty good at wide receiver, like that could

990
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:45,439
Speaker 2: cut into Kelsey's target share. But like, I still can't

991
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 2: understand why TJ. Hockinson is being drafted ahead of Travis Kelce.

992
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 2: Like I still think there's much more reception in yardage

993
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 2: upside for Kelsey than Hockinson. So man, like, if you

994
00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 2: want to let Travis Kelcey go late, Granted I'm not

995
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 2: really looking to draft him much above this ADP of

996
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:09,760
Speaker 2: eighty three overall, but like you give me him around there,

997
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 2: like I'm I'm taking.

998
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 1: Him ericson you mentioned in DJOKU. Obviously, Evan Ingram is

999
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 1: somebody that you know, we've talked about a lot in

1000
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,240
Speaker 1: these shows this offseason. There's not a ton of names

1001
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 1: after him that I'm feeling that great about, though, Like

1002
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 1: you know, you start to get into a couple of

1003
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 1: names past Travis Kelcey and the two names that you mentioned,

1004
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 1: it's like Tucker Craft, Dalton Kincaid, Dallas Goddter, Like yeah,

1005
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 1: Like I can kind of squint my eyes and see

1006
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 1: a case for guys like Craft and Kincaid, but it's

1007
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: not like I'm drafting them feeling like that drastically different

1008
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,280
Speaker 1: about my tight end position than I would be Travis Kelcey.

1009
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that this is kind of the weird

1010
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 3: tier because the middle range of tight ends, traditionally, the

1011
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 3: you know, tight end seven to tight end twelve, it's

1012
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 3: usually a bad just range to be drafting tight ends,

1013
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 3: and because it's clear that we talked about in the

1014
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 3: beginning of the show, where there's a clear top three

1015
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 3: that we all feel pretty good about. We all have

1016
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 3: different orders, but it's like, do we have these top

1017
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 3: three guys and it's a tear drop and just being

1018
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 3: the next guy in that tier, it's just hard for

1019
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:11,879
Speaker 3: those guys to pay off because it's not like Sam

1020
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 3: Mport's fault that he's tight end for and ECR or

1021
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 3: in ADP, but just that guy in particular, Oh, you're

1022
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 3: the number one not elite tight end, Like that's not

1023
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 3: a player that oh I want to draft the first

1024
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 3: non elite tight end Like that doesn't sound like a

1025
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 3: good bet to make. So that's the other thing to

1026
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 3: a lot of the Titans in this range where Kelsey's going,

1027
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 3: where Mark Andrews is going, these guys tend to finish

1028
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 3: closer to the guys going behind them than the guys

1029
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 3: going in front of them. So can Kelsey because this

1030
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 3: is where Kelsey was last year? Right, he was tightened

1031
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 3: six overall tight end seven points per game. So if

1032
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 3: we're getting Kelsey, have we got to end last year? Okay?

1033
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 3: Then I get fits his argument a little bit more

1034
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 3: where you're not drafting them in the second round wherever

1035
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 3: he was last year, so you're getting value in that perspective.

1036
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 3: But I think maybe I'm just kind of shooting for

1037
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 3: like maybe a Rock Bowers or John whi Smith type

1038
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 3: of tight end in the late rounds and I don't

1039
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 3: think that's Kelsey unless you catches like fifteen touchdowns. But

1040
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 3: like you point out, which I wasn't really aware of,

1041
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 3: that really hasn't been a major touchdown score, which is

1042
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 3: kind of interesting.

1043
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 1: I think my takeaway is less that I want to

1044
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 1: wait till late round and more that I want to

1045
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:18,399
Speaker 1: get one of those first three guys.

1046
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 3: We need to re record and say training Bride draft

1047
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:22,479
Speaker 3: you guys.

1048
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 1: Listen, I said, I said I would love McBride early third,

1049
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 1: So you know, I I don't know that you get

1050
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 1: in there. Maybe this makes me more inclined to take

1051
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:31,799
Speaker 1: him in the late second just to make sure I

1052
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 1: get him. But yeah, I'm I'm not really excited about

1053
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 1: any of these tight ends up.

1054
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 3: If you want, for one thing, so would you take

1055
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 3: would you rather wait for for Kelsey or draft Kittle

1056
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 3: where his ADP is like, what would you prefer doing?

1057
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:51,240
Speaker 2: Kittle is third round early third.

1058
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 3: Third, third, fourth, yeah, third, fourth.

1059
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean I would rather of Kittle.

1060
00:49:57,800 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 1: All right, let's go to the late round. Guys, we

1061
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:01,879
Speaker 1: can a little bit faster here because obviously the lady

1062
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:03,319
Speaker 1: you get it. It kind of just gets into more like

1063
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:05,919
Speaker 1: personal preference, but that is what we were highlighting, your guys'

1064
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 1: personal preference. Here are we drafting or passing on Travis

1065
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 1: Etn ericson a guy who you were very excited about

1066
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 1: a year ago. He's now one hundred and fourth overall,

1067
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 1: which is reflective of the year he had and RB

1068
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 1: thirty five drafter pass this season.

1069
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:21,359
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be drafting him at this at this price

1070
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 3: because this is I think his floor. This is what

1071
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 3: he finished as last year when he was terrible. He

1072
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 3: was RB thirty six last year going as the RB

1073
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 3: thirty five ECR ADP, and all indications right now have

1074
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 3: then that the skin new coaching staff is more than

1075
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 3: happy to have him as their potential RB one. I

1076
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 3: think they're still figuring out who they want to be

1077
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:41,399
Speaker 3: their lead running back, but I think right now Travis

1078
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,360
Speaker 3: Etn is in the driver's seat. You know, Tank Bigsby

1079
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 3: is dealt with fumble problems in the past. He also

1080
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 3: is not a established pass catcher, despite his mini breakout

1081
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 3: last year that was really based on a lot of

1082
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:52,879
Speaker 3: big rushes and give credit to him, like he did

1083
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 3: break off a lot of big runs last season, but

1084
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 3: still not trusted as a receiver out of the backfield.

1085
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 3: And that's where Travis Etn has been used, especially with

1086
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 3: Trevor Moore. It's not only with Jacksonville, but also dating

1087
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 3: back to their days with Clemson. So if Trevor Lawrence

1088
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 3: has say in this offense, I think that he's going

1089
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 3: to go to bat for his guy, Travis Etn. I

1090
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 3: think that means he's going to have a role on

1091
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 3: this team. And I'm optimistic about this offense overall. With

1092
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 3: Liam Cohen and RB thirty five. I think that he's

1093
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 3: just he's just really cheap, and I think that there's

1094
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 3: a clear upside case where Etn has been a top

1095
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 3: five fantasy running back before. Now I don't think that

1096
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 3: that's really like what we could see for me because

1097
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:25,359
Speaker 3: I don't think they're going to go back to him

1098
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 3: as a bell cow. I think he's shown that he

1099
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 3: can't really handle that type of workload. But can he

1100
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:32,720
Speaker 3: be more efficient not banged up in an improved offense.

1101
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 3: I think so. So I like Etn here probably thirty five.

1102
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 1: Fit's unless you've changed your ranking since we put this

1103
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 1: outline together. I think this is the player that you

1104
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 1: guys have the widest gap in terms of how you

1105
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:47,800
Speaker 1: are ranking them on. And you appear to be much lower,

1106
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 1: much much lower than ericson on Travis Etn.

1107
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:53,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm lower, but I'm also sort of torn on Etn.

1108
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 2: Like on the one hand, Travis Etn is going into

1109
00:51:57,080 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 2: the final year of his contract. The Jaguars drafted base too,

1110
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 2: and they still have Tank. It would be pretty easy

1111
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 2: for the Jaguars to just fade out Etn and this year.

1112
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 2: And Etn was objectively bad last year three point seven

1113
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 2: yards per carry only for seventeen missed tackles all season.

1114
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 2: In terms of rushing yards over expected per carry, that's

1115
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:21,879
Speaker 2: the next gen stats stat, Etn was underwater minus zero

1116
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 2: point two eight rushing yards over expected per carry. He

1117
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 2: was getting less than expected when he carried the ball,

1118
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:31,360
Speaker 2: But then again, Etn missed two games with a hamstring

1119
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 2: injury last year, may have played some games at less

1120
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 2: than one hundred percent. We are talking about a twenty

1121
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 2: six year old running back who had twelve touchdowns and

1122
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 2: almost fifteen hundred yards from scrimmage two years ago. So

1123
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 2: I don't think I don't think he's a bad buy

1124
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:47,359
Speaker 2: at this price by any means, Like he does have

1125
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:50,839
Speaker 2: plausible upside, and if he's not getting enough touches early

1126
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 2: in the season, you can just drop him, Like having

1127
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 2: a ninth rounder failed to pan out is not going

1128
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 2: to crush you fits.

1129
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 1: Let's sick with you for the next player. Javonte Williams

1130
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 1: one hundred twelfth overall RB thirty seven, So just a

1131
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:04,240
Speaker 1: few spots behind Eatn.

1132
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm a little lower than this with Javonte

1133
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 2: and my rankings, but I'm not totally opposed to taking

1134
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 2: this ride again. Javante said recently that he's starting to

1135
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 2: feel like his old self after he had that major

1136
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 2: knee injury in twenty twenty two where he tore his

1137
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 2: ACL and LCL. He was so impressive as a rookie

1138
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 2: back in twenty twenty one, but he was sharing work

1139
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 2: with Melvin Gordon. Javante averaged almost three point five yards

1140
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:31,359
Speaker 2: after contact per carry as a rookie, forced a lot

1141
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 2: of mistackles had forty three catches, but then Javonte after

1142
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 2: the injury just has not been the same guy. Not

1143
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:44,360
Speaker 2: surprising given the severity the injury. So did have a

1144
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 2: career high fifty two catches last year, but for only

1145
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 2: three hundred and forty six yards no touchdowns. Didn't have

1146
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:53,919
Speaker 2: a one hundred yard rushing game all season. Is season high

1147
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:57,280
Speaker 2: was eighty eight yards against a really bad Saints run defense.

1148
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:00,439
Speaker 2: He had two of his four touchdowns in that game.

1149
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 2: All other games besides that game against the Saints, Chavante

1150
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 2: averaged six point seven half point PPR Fantasy points per game,

1151
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 2: but only twenty five. He's competing with Miles Sanders and

1152
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:14,840
Speaker 2: two rookies, Jayden Blue and Phil Maffa. And I know

1153
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 2: Jayde Blue is fast, but the twenty twenty one version

1154
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,919
Speaker 2: of Javonte Williams is better than Jayden Blue. So it's

1155
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 2: not inconceivable that Javonte takes the lead RB role for

1156
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 2: the Cowboys and runs with it.

1157
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 1: He's also a lot better than this version of Miles Sanders.

1158
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 1: I like to me, Jontay Williams will definitely be ranked

1159
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 1: inside my top one hundred, and he will definitely be

1160
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:37,759
Speaker 1: ranked inside my top thirty six running backs. And it's

1161
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 1: not even about like, oh, it's been long enough removed

1162
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:42,879
Speaker 1: from the injury, and now I think he's getting back

1163
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 1: to this stud that he was, you know, or appeared

1164
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:49,959
Speaker 1: to be becoming as a rookie. It's just the opportunity

1165
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:52,360
Speaker 1: is here in what I think will be a good offense.

1166
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 1: Now that again, Dak Prescott, Seedee Lamb, George Pickens, this

1167
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 1: is an offense that I think is going to score touchdowns.

1168
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 1: And like, if you Thinkante Williams has washed, like, I

1169
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:03,919
Speaker 1: will show you Miles Sanders and show you what washed

1170
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 1: it really looks like. And then you're talking about a

1171
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 1: fifth round rookie whose skill set doesn't even appear to

1172
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:12,359
Speaker 1: be the type that would detract too much from Javante. Like,

1173
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 1: I just don't see any world where a healthy Gavante

1174
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 1: Williams this season finishes outside the top like thirty three,

1175
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 1: thirty two even running backs, just based on the opportunity

1176
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 1: to score touchdowns alone, I just don't see a path

1177
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:27,240
Speaker 1: there barring injury.

1178
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, here's the thing where the three of us are degenerates,

1179
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:31,319
Speaker 2: We're going to be in like a dozen or more

1180
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 2: redraft leagues, and my stance is that I want to

1181
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 2: get some exposure to Javante. But if you're only in

1182
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 2: one or two leagues, like a lot of our viewers

1183
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:41,879
Speaker 2: and listeners like, I don't know, Like I guess I'm

1184
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:45,400
Speaker 2: okay with the current asking price on Javante. I'd probably

1185
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 2: want to get a little bit of a deal if

1186
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 2: I'm only drafting in one or two leagues.

1187
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 1: Ericson, I kind of you Javante similarly to a guy

1188
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 1: that we liked a lot last year in JK. Dobbins,

1189
00:55:55,800 --> 00:56:00,040
Speaker 1: where has this injury history? He's going really late, but

1190
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 1: there's such a clear path to opportunity. There's nobody else

1191
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 1: in the offense that it feels like it's gonna be

1192
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 1: a significant challenge, and it's an offense that we think

1193
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:09,319
Speaker 1: is gonna be good enough to score touchdowns. I see

1194
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 1: a lot of similarities there. Where do you have Dravonte

1195
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 1: Williams again one hundred and twelfth overall in ECR RB

1196
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 1: thirty seven?

1197
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:16,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have him in this range, So he's very

1198
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 3: much draftable here. And you want to see washed, I

1199
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 3: can show you my laundry where you're really interested, just

1200
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:23,880
Speaker 3: just was ready to go right ex to Miles.

1201
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 1: Sanders, you want to see cooked, let me show you

1202
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:26,240
Speaker 1: my dinner.

1203
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:29,919
Speaker 3: We can be here all day, we're run out of time.

1204
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 3: I mean, I agree with mostly with everything that fits

1205
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 3: and kind of what you outlined. I think in particular builds,

1206
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 3: it makes sense to understand what Javonte can offer you.

1207
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 3: I don't think that he's going to be a fantasy

1208
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 3: RB one. Even with Dobbins last year, we kind of

1209
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 3: saw it fizzle out as the season progressive. You just

1210
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:49,240
Speaker 3: couldn't handle taking on that worklok because of the history

1211
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:51,239
Speaker 3: of his injuries. Javonte is a little bit different really

1212
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:54,360
Speaker 3: just one devastating injury. But they're gonna trust him in

1213
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:57,320
Speaker 3: pass pro. He's gonna catch jump off passes from Dak Prescott.

1214
00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:00,920
Speaker 3: So I think that he's fine. And with the amount

1215
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 3: of running backs that you're going to draft before Javonte

1216
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 3: that are rookie running backs that may not have great

1217
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 3: week one roles. For example, Caleb Johnson, right, I love

1218
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:12,319
Speaker 3: Cale Johnson, I cannot guarantee what his role is going

1219
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:13,880
Speaker 3: to be week one. You're probably not gonna be able

1220
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 3: to start in week one, but you know you can

1221
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:16,959
Speaker 3: probably start week one when you draft him one hundred

1222
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 3: twelve overall. Dallas Cowboys running back Javonte Williams, although he's

1223
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 3: placing the Eagles, so maybe I don't want to start him,

1224
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 3: but you get the thesis of the play where you

1225
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 3: have some of these veteran guys kind of you start

1226
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 3: them to open the year, kind of like what chu

1227
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 3: U Hubbard was last year, right, so cheap, super late

1228
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 3: because oh we're all afraid about the rookie taking over. I

1229
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 3: think that Javonte can be a bridge to some of

1230
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 3: these running backs that were waiting for second half surges

1231
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 3: because we know that you can at least hold the

1232
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 3: job for first couple of weeks of the year.

1233
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 1: If Davonte Williams is healthy the whole season, I think

1234
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 1: he finishes inside the top twenty four at running back, honestly.

1235
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 1: And part of that is that's almost cheating to say,

1236
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 1: because any running backer stays healthy the whole year is

1237
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 1: going to be.

1238
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 4: Doesn't stop the hot thing.

1239
00:57:58,160 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 3: You can't come with the cavit. You can't be like

1240
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 3: top twenty four next player.

1241
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 1: I think if he's healthy the whole season's not toy

1242
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 1: for on opportunity alone. It's not even saying that he's

1243
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 1: gonna look like the Givonte Evold. I just think the

1244
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 1: opportunity is so clear there, so I will definitely be

1245
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 1: drafting him there. Darnell Mooney next up, Ericson's starting with

1246
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 1: you on this one, one hundred and seventeenth overall wide

1247
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 1: receiver forty nine.

1248
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 3: I think that I'm going to probably be passing on

1249
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 3: Darnell Mooney. And it's not that I don't like the

1250
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 3: player necessarily. I just think he's kind of more of

1251
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 3: the boom or bust type of wide receiver that I

1252
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 3: have on my bench that I kind of struggled to

1253
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 3: figure out. Okay, my starting sky this week. I know

1254
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 3: if he's playing Tampa Bay, Yes, DARNALLD Mooney's going to

1255
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 3: be locked into my starting lineup. And I do like

1256
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 3: the fit with Michael Pennix, But the range he goes in,

1257
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 3: there's a lot of running backs that I like that

1258
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 3: I'd rather have on my bench. Kaj Spekers, Jordan Mason

1259
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 3: goes in his range. I love Jordan Mason this year

1260
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 3: as a running back to draft in the Vikings offense

1261
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 3: and Rico Daubele we talked about a little bit earlier

1262
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 3: when talking about Chub Hubbard. So those guys are all

1263
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:57,920
Speaker 3: in the same range, and even some of the receivers,

1264
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 3: like some of the rookies going the same just Darnel Mooney,

1265
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 3: Kean Coleman, a second year receiver that I think could

1266
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 3: be a major breakout guy, goes in this range. So

1267
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 3: although I acknowledge Mooney has a pretty solid floor, and

1268
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 3: I think that in leagues where you have to start

1269
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:14,480
Speaker 3: a lot of receivers, it probably makes sense guy like

1270
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 3: Mooney because you almost had a thousand yards receiving last year.

1271
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 3: I think he's a good player, but does he have

1272
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:22,960
Speaker 3: like top tier you no, this guy to be a

1273
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 3: league winner upside, probably not without an injury to Drake London.

1274
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 3: So I think that I would rather stash some other

1275
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 3: guys in his range than draft Mooney.

1276
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 1: Fit's Darnell Mooney draft or pass draft.

1277
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:38,760
Speaker 2: I like him as a wide receiver for wide receiver five,

1278
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 2: he's been underrated since coming into the league. What I

1279
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 2: like about Mooney for this year he is not coming

1280
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 2: off the field very much. He had a ninety two

1281
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Speaker 2: point nine percent snapchair last season, and the Falcons made

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Speaker 2: no significant additions at wide receiver. It's Drake London Darnell

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Speaker 2: Mooney and then man, I don't know. Number three is

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Speaker 2: either Ray Ray McLeod again or maybe Nick Nash and

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Speaker 2: undrafted free agent. So Mooney's gonna play a lot. And

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Speaker 2: I believe in the arm tellent of Michael Pennix Junior.

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Speaker 2: I think he's gonna put up good passing numbers this year.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I love Mooney as a wide receiver. Four

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Speaker 2: or five.

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Speaker 1: Last name here fits will stick with you. Romeo Dubbs

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Speaker 1: one hundred and fiftieth overall wide receiver fifty seven? Are

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Speaker 1: you drafting or passing on the Packers receiver?

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Speaker 2: Pass? They're just isn't that much upside? The targets are

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01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 2: going to be spread around in Green Bay, the Packers,

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Speaker 2: who were one of the run heaviest teams in the

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Speaker 2: league last year. I just don't think there's any real

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Speaker 2: I don't know, no ceiling with Dobbs Erickson.

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Speaker 3: I'm going, I mean the Packers fan wasnt gonna draft

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Speaker 3: Romeo Dobbs, then yeah, I'm good. I think that he's

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Speaker 3: He's like an innings eater, right is that the baseball terminology?

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01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 3: He's just out there getting routes, occasionally catches touchdowns, he's

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Speaker 3: a starter. I think he's good in basketball when you

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01:00:57,040 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 3: need guys to just fill in bye weeks, but in

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Speaker 3: redraft he's a I think that his ceiling is five

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Speaker 3: receiver three at max. I think he's just like much

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Speaker 3: worst version of Darnell Mooney. So yeah, pass for me.

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Speaker 1: You can't be doing baseball analogies. Fits and I are

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Speaker 1: facing each other for the one of the final spots

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Speaker 1: to make the playoffs in our fantasy baseball this week,

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Speaker 1: so it's yeah, we finish up this league before football

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Speaker 1: drafts using gets going because everybody here is working for

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Speaker 1: a company that has to dive so much into football,

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Speaker 1: so it's I mean, listen, I'm not excited about the

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Speaker 1: way the playoff setup is, but it's the way it is.

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Speaker 1: So this is the last week of the regular season.

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Speaker 1: Fits and I are both contending for a playoff spot

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Speaker 1: and facing each other, So it's it's hate week here, right.

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Speaker 2: I get to knock Worm out of the playoffs. That's

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Speaker 2: gonna be glorious.

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Speaker 1: All right, we'll go ahead and rap up there. Thanks

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Speaker 1: everybody for tuning in to draft or pass for Ericson

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Speaker 1: and Fits. I'm Ron Warmley. We'll see again next time.

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