WEBVTT - Pride Month Special: Beauty Translated x WokeAF Daily

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<v Speaker 1>Pat Robertson has died during Pride Month, so I think

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<v Speaker 1>that makes him an ally, you know, or something. Welcome

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<v Speaker 1>Beauty translated listeners to another minisode. This week, we are

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<v Speaker 1>doing a crossover with one of our fabulous podcasts on

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<v Speaker 1>the iHeart and Outspoken Networks. Today, I have Danielle Moody

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<v Speaker 1>with me and she is the host of woke af Daily. Hi, Danielle,

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<v Speaker 1>how are you doing today?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm good. How are you doing?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing well. It's good to see you again and

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<v Speaker 1>good to have you here for this wonderful Pride Month

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<v Speaker 1>special that we're that we're doing.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm super excited to be here.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, thank you. Danielle. Could you start out by just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of telling the listeners a little bit, a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit about who you are?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, how much time do you have? Just kidding? So yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>WOKF Daily is a five day week political podcast that

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<v Speaker 2>kind of pulls back the curtain on current affairs. We

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<v Speaker 2>dig into the conversations that you're not going to hear

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<v Speaker 2>on mainstream media or on cable news and lift up

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of amazing academics, historians, politicos, you know, folks

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<v Speaker 2>that really have their finger on the pulse of today's

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<v Speaker 2>you know, kind of new normal that we are living in,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I like to think of the show as

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<v Speaker 2>like a community space so that people don't feel alone

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<v Speaker 2>in their crazy and in their rage.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's that's fantastic because yeah, as you said, there's

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<v Speaker 1>crazier and crazier news coming out every day, Especially for

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<v Speaker 1>those of us that are a part of the lgbt

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<v Speaker 1>Q plus community, it is becoming more and more stressful

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<v Speaker 1>and challenging to navigate this world. And it's really great

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<v Speaker 1>to have podcasts like yours out there that provide different

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<v Speaker 1>perspectives because, as we know, even lots of the you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if this is something you've talked about

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<v Speaker 1>on your show, but lots of the quote unquote uh

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<v Speaker 1>you know what what people on the right would consider

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<v Speaker 1>like leftist media. A lot of that media is run

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<v Speaker 1>by Republican CEOs and stuff like that. Yeah, so it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>what is how do we actually get a different perspective?

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<v Speaker 1>And a lot of times it's from from these shows

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<v Speaker 1>that are that are talking outside of the mainstream. So

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<v Speaker 1>thank you for that. And Danielle, can you tell us

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit about yourself?

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<v Speaker 2>So a little bit about me I am. I guess

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<v Speaker 2>how I used to talk about myself as a recovering lobbyist.

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<v Speaker 2>I spent a lot of time in living in Washington, DC,

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<v Speaker 2>working on Capitol Hill, working for different thing tanks like

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<v Speaker 2>the Center for American Progress, and then transitioned into media

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<v Speaker 2>when we were kind of gearing up for the marriage

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<v Speaker 2>equality fight. So this is like the early twenty tens,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, for folks to remember that, you know, marriage

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<v Speaker 2>equality was not the law of the land until twenty

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen Supreme Court decision. And you know, at the time,

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<v Speaker 2>there were lots of people that were talking about marriage equality,

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<v Speaker 2>but they were white, CIS, gay men who don't invoke

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of empathy. And so I am ended up

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<v Speaker 2>ended up entering into that conversation and becoming one of

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<v Speaker 2>the spokespeople for marriage equality at that time. And then

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<v Speaker 2>recognized the power of media, and during the cycle of

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<v Speaker 2>the twenty sixteen presidential election, realizing like everybody else did,

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<v Speaker 2>that this country could elect Donald Trump, decided to launch WOKF.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, for me, I see myself as an advocate,

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<v Speaker 2>as an activist, as somebody who has built a platform,

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<v Speaker 2>an independent platform on progress, the values and I'm unapologetic

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<v Speaker 2>about it as a black queer woman living in America,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think that it is really important to have

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<v Speaker 2>diverse perspectives and no, you know, no bullshit perspectives on

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<v Speaker 2>where were on where we are. Like, you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't I don't sugarcoat things because I think that listeners

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<v Speaker 2>are smarter than that and they deserve to be spoken

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<v Speaker 2>to in a way that makes sense, uh, and that

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<v Speaker 2>registers for them. So that's kind of how I've built

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<v Speaker 2>my career through policy, through media and find myself here.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow. Yeah, that is quite quite the background you have there,

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<v Speaker 1>and quite the journey you've had. Thank you for fighting

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<v Speaker 1>the fight and the marriage equality.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>During that, you know, I was, I was, this is

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<v Speaker 1>going to sound crazy. I was in high school when that,

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<v Speaker 1>when that happened, and it was, you know, a very

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<v Speaker 1>very big deal. I remember, you know, being in Georgia.

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<v Speaker 1>People people that weren't excited about it were acting like

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<v Speaker 1>the sky was falling, you know, And here we are,

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<v Speaker 1>something like more than ten years later, and the sky

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<v Speaker 1>still hasn't fallen and everything is fine. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's interesting you bring that up because just the other

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<v Speaker 1>day I was having a conversation with a trans man

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<v Speaker 1>who was talking about kind of the differences or I

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<v Speaker 1>guess you should could say, like the lack of representation

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<v Speaker 1>and progression forward in the trans movement versus what we

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<v Speaker 1>saw in the marriage equality movement. What do you think

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<v Speaker 1>And this may be like too big of a question,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, let me know, Like, what do you

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<v Speaker 1>think is different about the times when we were fighting

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<v Speaker 1>for marriage equality versus today when we're fighting now for

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<v Speaker 1>trans equality? What do you think is different and what

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<v Speaker 1>needs to change?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the unfortunate difference, and again I don't sugarcoat things,

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<v Speaker 2>is the fact that the marriage equality movement was largely

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<v Speaker 2>funded by CIS white gay men, right, And so when

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<v Speaker 2>you have shoes that are going to impact a double

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<v Speaker 2>income oftentimes no kids demographic of the LGBTQ plus movement,

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<v Speaker 2>they had a lot of money and put a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of money and a lot of funding behind what was

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<v Speaker 2>probably the one right that they were not afforded. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's just the reality of the situation. And so when

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<v Speaker 2>you look at where we are in terms of trans rights,

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<v Speaker 2>there is a lot of transphobia discrimination within the LGBTQ

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<v Speaker 2>plus movement. Oftentimes you know, done at the hands of

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<v Speaker 2>white CISC came in and so you know, it's like

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<v Speaker 2>I have been in so many rooms where I could

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<v Speaker 2>not believe my ears and believe what people inside of

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<v Speaker 2>a community that is already marginalized and oppressed would decide

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<v Speaker 2>to part and parcel out people who they think are

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<v Speaker 2>holding them back from full equity and let's just you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll come back for the t later. Is a thing

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<v Speaker 2>that I have heard in many of rooms, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>on Capitol Hill in Washington, DC, you know, over the

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<v Speaker 2>course of my career. And so that's the reason there

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<v Speaker 2>has been this kind of well, you know, we're trying

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<v Speaker 2>to assimilate right where the L, the G and the

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<v Speaker 2>B are trying to quote unquote assimilate. And marriage was

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<v Speaker 2>the most traditional thing that you could assimilate into in

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<v Speaker 2>our society, right and so look, we're just like you,

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<v Speaker 2>and we want to have kids, and you know, we

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<v Speaker 2>live these lives and blah blah. It was something that

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<v Speaker 2>I think the way that marriage was situated was how

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<v Speaker 2>it was assimilating into heteronormative culture. And I think that

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<v Speaker 2>for many folks inside of the LGBTQ plus community, they

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<v Speaker 2>had not had like I guess seventy percent of the

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<v Speaker 2>population experience knowing somebody that that is trans, and so

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<v Speaker 2>it was easy to be like, now, we'll come back later.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we'll come back for the tea later. Which yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>which even at the time I remember that being kind

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<v Speaker 1>of the feeling I had was like, Okay, well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they're not helping me right now, but maybe the later

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<v Speaker 1>type of thing. And I think it's interesting because now

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<v Speaker 1>we're dealing with all of this, you know, anti trans

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<v Speaker 1>legislation and stuff like that. And what's interesting to me

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<v Speaker 1>is that the American zeitgeist, whatever you call it, whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>the culture of America has really shifted in the past

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<v Speaker 1>ten twenty years to be much more accepting of gay

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<v Speaker 1>and lesbian people and couples and things like that. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's almost like it's like they draw the line. A

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people draw the line at trans issues. I

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<v Speaker 1>can be accepting of gay people, I can be accepting

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<v Speaker 1>of lesbians, but I cannot be accepting of trans people

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<v Speaker 1>and the fact that they want rights, which I find

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<v Speaker 1>to be, you know, just an interesting observation from my perspective.

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<v Speaker 1>But thank you for speaking on that, because I definitely

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<v Speaker 1>think that's not something that the average person. And when

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<v Speaker 1>I say like the average person, the average like sis

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<v Speaker 1>straight person thinks about is how their own perception of

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<v Speaker 1>gay people has shifted, whereas the media is intentionally demonizing

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<v Speaker 1>trans people at the moment.

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<v Speaker 2>Can I just say one quick thingmen, because I think

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<v Speaker 2>that it's important. I talk a lot on my show

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<v Speaker 2>about my about my family, about my parents, and my

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<v Speaker 2>mother is you know, owns a yoga studio out east

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<v Speaker 2>on Long Island, and you know, she had, through the

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<v Speaker 2>course of like her work and time, had one of

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<v Speaker 2>her students were a gay couple queer couple, and then

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<v Speaker 2>one of them began transitioning. And for my mother, who

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<v Speaker 2>is in you know, the boomer generation, she really opened

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<v Speaker 2>up her mind and her understanding into what, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>what it meant to transition, what it meant to be

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<v Speaker 2>trans because she already had a queer daughter, but was

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<v Speaker 2>she was not. It was just like, oh, I just

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<v Speaker 2>have to expand my thinking, like oh wait, like tell

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<v Speaker 2>me about how it is your feeling and how I

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<v Speaker 2>can better show up and support you. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>that the purpose of what the media is doing and

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<v Speaker 2>the purpose of what the Republican Party is doing is

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<v Speaker 2>to break down those bridges, because it really just is

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<v Speaker 2>a lack of as you know, a lack of understanding,

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<v Speaker 2>a lack of narrative like let me ask the wrong questions,

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<v Speaker 2>not from a place of transphobia or bigotry, but because

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<v Speaker 2>I'm really trying to understand, right, like let me, let me,

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<v Speaker 2>let me walk this path with you. And what they

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<v Speaker 2>are trying to do is just obliterate that path, that

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<v Speaker 2>bridge and put fear in its place. And my mother

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<v Speaker 2>in that generation, so when people say like, oh, they're

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<v Speaker 2>just old, it's like, no, they're not. They have they

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<v Speaker 2>have more than enough ability and intelligence to be able

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<v Speaker 2>to work themselves through a process to understanding right exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's it's anyone at any age should be able

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<v Speaker 1>to should be able to expand their thinking and grasp

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<v Speaker 1>these concepts. Thank you for that, Danielle. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>take us on a quick break and when we come back,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll talk more with Danielle and we're back, all right, Danielle.

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<v Speaker 1>So I wanted to ask you, as we are talking

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<v Speaker 1>a lot about the lgbt Q plus community and just

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<v Speaker 1>about Pride Month, what does Pride Month mean to you? Specifically?

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<v Speaker 2>Such a good question because you know, my relationship with

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<v Speaker 2>Pride has changed throughout the years, and I think that

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<v Speaker 2>it's base on where we are as a country and

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<v Speaker 2>overall society. In some years it has just been full

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<v Speaker 2>on celebration and you know, rainbows and sparkles and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>dance parties and what have you. And I think that

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<v Speaker 2>now it is really about using your joy as resistance.

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<v Speaker 2>It is more so kind of going back for me

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of the roots and the beginnings of Pride,

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<v Speaker 2>which was a riot, which was a pushback against police brutality,

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<v Speaker 2>a pushback against you know, policies that were draconian on

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<v Speaker 2>their face. And so I think for me right now,

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<v Speaker 2>Pride is about how can we remain joyful at a

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<v Speaker 2>time when there are over five hundred anti LGBTQ plus

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<v Speaker 2>anti trans bills that have popped up around the country,

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<v Speaker 2>seventy six which have been passed. You know, how do

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<v Speaker 2>we remain in a place of joy and use that

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<v Speaker 2>as a way and as a tool of resistance. And

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<v Speaker 2>so for me, you know, it is looking at Pride

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<v Speaker 2>as we're saying on woke Up that you can't ban

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<v Speaker 2>queer joy, right like our friends at GLAD say, it

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<v Speaker 2>is you know, and you need to embody that.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's kind of the space that I'm in. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and it is hard, you know, it is hard to

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<v Speaker 1>be joyful in these moments. It's not easy. But I

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<v Speaker 1>do believe that part of this whole mission is to

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<v Speaker 1>really just like wear us down and make us as

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<v Speaker 1>depressed and down on ourselves as possible, And of course

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<v Speaker 1>we should take it seriously, but at the same time,

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<v Speaker 1>we do have to have the energy and the willingness

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<v Speaker 1>to fight back and push back because Pride was a riot. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's been a lot of news stories going on

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<v Speaker 1>in the world. What I wanted to celebrate in this

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<v Speaker 1>month is that today, as we're speaking to each other, Danielle,

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<v Speaker 1>is the day that Pat Robertson has left this planet.

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to celebrate that. I just want to

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<v Speaker 1>celebrate that Pat Robertson, as we know, very very feverently

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<v Speaker 1>anti trans, anti gay pastor who is an evangela what

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<v Speaker 1>do you call it, televangelist? So, yeah, you have any

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<v Speaker 1>thoughts on good old Pat?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, good Old Pat is the He was the original grifter.

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<v Speaker 2>He was the person that created the playbook for white

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<v Speaker 2>evangelical Christians taking over the Republican Party with their hatred

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<v Speaker 2>and lies, transphobia, bigotry, and racism. This man had said

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<v Speaker 2>some of the most egregious, disgusting things about queer people.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's unfortunate that he was able to live to

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<v Speaker 2>the ripe old age of ninety three. But I think

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<v Speaker 2>that the devastation that he has caused will far outlive him.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's important that you know, people say, don't speak

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<v Speaker 2>ill of the dead, Well, don't do bad shit when

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<v Speaker 2>you're alive. How about that? How about that? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly, Yeah, and I completely agree with that. Yeah, he

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<v Speaker 1>was pretty much spent his whole life being, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>as evil as he possibly could. Yes, And if you

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<v Speaker 1>haven't watched Like the Family on Netflix, I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if you've or any of those. That's a documentary that

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of it's I love those kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>docuseries basically breaks down Pat Robertson, Jerry Folwell and how

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<v Speaker 1>they really meshed with the GOP and the Republican Party

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<v Speaker 1>to really be a part of their lobbying effort, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's shaped a lot of the crystal I'm sorry, let

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<v Speaker 1>me get the words out. The Chrysto fascism that we're

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<v Speaker 1>seeing today has been shaped a lot by the legacy

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<v Speaker 1>of Pat Robertson. So rest in hell, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>rest forever, you know, but not in peace, not in power,

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<v Speaker 1>because we're we're grateful for that. So let's celebrate that

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<v Speaker 1>Pat Robertson has left, has left the world on this

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<v Speaker 1>glorious day. So I'm happy about that. Thank you for

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<v Speaker 1>sharing your perspective on that too, because he's been around

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<v Speaker 1>for a long time, and he's a long time and

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<v Speaker 1>he's been doing bad shit for a long time, so

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<v Speaker 1>it's hard to keep up with everything. You know, decades, yeah, decades. Well, Danielle,

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<v Speaker 1>can you tell the listeners where they can find you,

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<v Speaker 1>follow you and listen to WOKF Daily?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, absolutely so you can listen to WOKF Daily here

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<v Speaker 2>wonderfully on iHeart part of the Outspoken Slate. You can

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<v Speaker 2>also keep up with me on Danielle Moody dot com,

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<v Speaker 2>where you can get connected all over my social media's Twitter,

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<v Speaker 2>TikTok and Instagram.

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<v Speaker 1>Beautiful. Thank you, Danielle, and I will be sure to

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<v Speaker 1>include links and whatnot and the episode descriptions of be

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<v Speaker 1>sure to check those out. Thank you for being here

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<v Speaker 1>with us. Today, Danielle, I'll thank you for this Pride

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<v Speaker 1>Month special crossover and a Happy Pride Month to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Stay joyful as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, Happy Pride to you and all of the listeners.

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<v Speaker 1>Be sure to check out my interview with Danielle Mudy

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<v Speaker 1>over on the LOKF Daily Feed, which also dropped today