WEBVTT - Player’s Lounge: All In the Optics 0:00:03.279 --> 0:00:05.720 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:05.760 --> 0:00:14.960 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is the Players Lounge, 0:00:15.160 --> 0:00:19.640 broadcasting live from Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the Star. 0:00:20.320 --> 0:00:26.239 Now your hosts Barry Church, Danny McCrae, Heckma Harrison, and 0:00:26.600 --> 0:00:27.600 newly Scrubs. 0:00:30.560 --> 0:00:34.279 Here we are many, can't we right here at the 0:00:34.320 --> 0:00:37.960 Star in Frisco. We're here at the SWBC podcast studios. 0:00:38.120 --> 0:00:40.720 This is the players lines. You've got he Ma Harrison 0:00:40.720 --> 0:00:42.920 in the building. In the house, We've got Barry Churches 0:00:43.000 --> 0:00:45.840 right here's golf games getting rained out. Maybe get something today. 0:00:45.920 --> 0:00:49.320 We'll see heartbreaking with the wrong hat on your head today. 0:00:49.320 --> 0:00:49.760 I'm new he. 0:00:49.760 --> 0:00:52.560 Scrubs, different car different different. 0:00:57.000 --> 0:01:03.040 The d season tournament champions. You know they fired the 0:01:03.120 --> 0:01:06.040 head coach man one Darvin had one in season. 0:01:07.800 --> 0:01:11.560 Right right, So can get you a MAVs hat man. 0:01:11.600 --> 0:01:13.960 MAVs in the final Thursday is going down Thursday in 0:01:14.000 --> 0:01:16.440 the final? Maps are their stars lost last night? 0:01:16.480 --> 0:01:18.959 They are done? So we just have one team in championship. 0:01:19.280 --> 0:01:22.160 Many Camp Week, guys, yes, sir, Many Camp Week for 0:01:22.280 --> 0:01:27.320 the Cowboys. So June four, five, and six, Many Campus 0:01:27.319 --> 0:01:30.920 here and then they're gone. Get to go away, get 0:01:30.959 --> 0:01:33.759 to enjoy the last bit of your your life. Then 0:01:33.800 --> 0:01:36.920 you get back and you start training camp here and 0:01:37.000 --> 0:01:39.720 as we go into many camp, the top story of 0:01:39.720 --> 0:01:43.840 the day, Yes, Sir, pach Maherrison Berry church Wide receiver 0:01:43.959 --> 0:01:49.720 Jordan Jefferson four years, one million dollars, highest highest non 0:01:50.000 --> 0:01:53.160 paid in quarterback in the NFL history, one hundred and 0:01:53.200 --> 0:01:56.480 ten million dollars of it is guarantee. If you're CD 0:01:56.680 --> 0:02:00.000 out wrong, if your CD lamb, today's a good day. 0:02:00.480 --> 0:02:01.320 One hundred percent. 0:02:01.640 --> 0:02:03.520 It's a good day for your CD. It's a good day. 0:02:03.560 --> 0:02:05.400 If you're Michael Parsons, oh you know it's coming to 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:06.280 it's a good day. 0:02:06.360 --> 0:02:07.120 It's a great day. 0:02:07.800 --> 0:02:11.600 Nine quarterback getting over one hundred million guaranteed these days. 0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:13.880 Hey, look justin Jefferson, flat out dog. 0:02:13.960 --> 0:02:15.520 You know, one of the best, if not the best 0:02:15.560 --> 0:02:17.000 receiver in the National Football League. 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:17.680 Deservedly so. 0:02:18.000 --> 0:02:20.640 But like you said, if I'm CD LAMB, I'm looking 0:02:20.720 --> 0:02:21.840 my chops to this situation. 0:02:22.000 --> 0:02:23.880 I'm like, Okay, this man getting one hundred and ten mil. 0:02:23.919 --> 0:02:25.959 What is that? Thirty thirty five, thirty sixty years something 0:02:26.000 --> 0:02:26.280 like that. 0:02:27.160 --> 0:02:28.440 Oh, I got to get that. 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:30.840 I got to see all of that, because if you 0:02:30.880 --> 0:02:34.640 look at it to me, City Lamb, Justin Jefferson, they're 0:02:34.760 --> 0:02:37.080 you know, one A, one B, whoever, whatever style you like. 0:02:37.200 --> 0:02:39.880 And if I'm CD, I'm like, look, last year, you know, 0:02:40.000 --> 0:02:41.920 Justin Jefferson was hurt a little bit, but I balled out. 0:02:42.160 --> 0:02:43.840 I was an All Pro out there. You know, I 0:02:43.880 --> 0:02:46.600 was leading the touchdowns, catches, all that stuff. Even though 0:02:46.639 --> 0:02:49.079 teams were giving me all the attention, double team, triple team, 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:51.399 I will still able to go out there and give 0:02:51.400 --> 0:02:53.400 you the yards and the production that he was able 0:02:53.400 --> 0:02:55.119 to go out there. So if I'm CD, Lamb, I'm 0:02:55.120 --> 0:02:57.520 looking at that and I'm saying I need the same amount, 0:02:57.840 --> 0:03:00.320 nothing less, nothing less, because if you look looking at 0:03:00.360 --> 0:03:04.480 it going forward, Justin Jefferson Minnesota, great receiver, but they 0:03:04.480 --> 0:03:06.680 got a rookie quarterback right now. You know what's what's 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:09.120 gonna be. Is he gonna keep his production level going up? 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:09.760 Or is it kind of. 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:12.280 Plateau right now where it's at ceedee lamp. You got 0:03:12.280 --> 0:03:14.360 one of the top five quarterbacks international football. 0:03:14.400 --> 0:03:18.240 Excuse me, His production's gonna his production's gonna keep rolling. 0:03:18.360 --> 0:03:20.639 So if I'm CD, I'm looking my chops like, yeah, 0:03:20.639 --> 0:03:22.400 I'm gonna need all that, and y'all probably not gonna 0:03:22.400 --> 0:03:24.240 see me until I get a piece of that. 0:03:24.360 --> 0:03:26.480 I'm gonna double down on that because I absolutely agree 0:03:26.520 --> 0:03:28.600 with you BC. I think that we said it last 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:30.360 week when we were talking about Justin Jefferson. 0:03:30.360 --> 0:03:33.200 I called it collusion. You know they hey, they talking about. 0:03:32.960 --> 0:03:35.960 These contracts because they're gonna be market setting contracts. And 0:03:36.360 --> 0:03:38.320 if I'm CD, based off of the year that he 0:03:38.360 --> 0:03:41.640 had last year and before that, I'm basically saying, look, 0:03:41.680 --> 0:03:44.160 my trajectory, it's all the way up with me, right 0:03:44.400 --> 0:03:47.400 and just and kind of going back to Justin Jefferson's contract, 0:03:47.400 --> 0:03:49.120 and I think it was something we talked about pre show, 0:03:49.600 --> 0:03:52.320 was is a four year deal for him. So this 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:54.200 is a twenty three year old guy that's gonna get 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:56.520 an opportunity to come back to the table and get 0:03:56.600 --> 0:04:00.120 even more. And so look, this is a great like 0:04:00.200 --> 0:04:02.040 you said, great time to be Micah, great time to 0:04:02.080 --> 0:04:05.320 be CD. But if I'm CD, I want this contract. 0:04:05.600 --> 0:04:08.040 I want to see the language in this contract, and 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:10.720 I want to say what's the difference between him and me? 0:04:10.920 --> 0:04:13.440 And that's where the rubber measter roll. If I'm CD, 0:04:13.640 --> 0:04:15.240 you got to tell me you got to show me 0:04:15.360 --> 0:04:17.680 what's the difference between this guy and who I am 0:04:17.920 --> 0:04:19.800 and what I mean to you as a team. Now, 0:04:19.839 --> 0:04:22.560 we talked about last season those first four game CD 0:04:22.720 --> 0:04:26.120 LAMB did not the production wasn't there, whatever, the disconnect 0:04:26.160 --> 0:04:28.760 between him and Dak was. They found a way to 0:04:28.760 --> 0:04:31.560 fix that. And so you come into this season if 0:04:31.560 --> 0:04:34.400 they're on the same page those numbers that he could 0:04:34.400 --> 0:04:37.520 eclipse those numbers by a tremendous amount. All right, But 0:04:38.200 --> 0:04:40.799 I guess the thing that makes me uncomfortable in this situation, guys, 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:43.520 is that how are the Cowboys going to be able 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:48.120 to have market setting contracts at the quarterback position, the 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:51.720 receiver position, at the defensive position. I mean, and then 0:04:51.760 --> 0:04:54.200 you still have guys behind that and Ferguson and Bland 0:04:54.279 --> 0:04:56.400 is still going to be won in their paydays as well. 0:04:56.480 --> 0:04:59.480 So it's a pickle if you're the front office. But man, 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:02.000 there's no snow escaping it. You're gonna have to you 0:05:02.040 --> 0:05:04.400 have you drafted well, and you're gonna have to play 0:05:04.400 --> 0:05:06.600 these pay these guys or let them go to other 0:05:06.640 --> 0:05:10.719 teams and allow them to pay them. 0:05:11.040 --> 0:05:23.240 We said, you know he's gonna get thirty five man, Man, 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:26.560 it's a good it's a good day for CD Lamb. 0:05:27.200 --> 0:05:30.280 So wow, yeah, now it's five million dollars. 0:05:30.320 --> 0:05:31.799 Oh, yesterday's price is not today. 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:37.360 Here's the thing, and I kind of go into this. 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:40.640 Teams are now having to make the decision where do 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:43.240 we go. The Viking said to Kirk Cousins, no more, 0:05:43.760 --> 0:05:46.280 We're not gonna do this. So Atlanta paid the freight 0:05:46.320 --> 0:05:48.120 on the contract, so they decided we're not going to 0:05:48.200 --> 0:05:48.400 do that. 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:49.080 They've got a rookie. 0:05:49.200 --> 0:05:52.320 They've got a rookie quarterback now, so so you're gonna 0:05:52.320 --> 0:05:54.919 have to figure out how do you make this puzzle 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:55.720 work for yourself. 0:05:59.080 --> 0:06:02.200 Lamb will be here. He's young enough. You cannot afford 0:06:02.279 --> 0:06:02.800 to let him go. 0:06:04.040 --> 0:06:06.240 I wonder if Jordan Jefferson would be a Minnesota They 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:07.480 decide we're gonna pay the thirty five. 0:06:07.520 --> 0:06:10.640 We're gonna do it. Parsons is not gonna go anywhere. 0:06:10.640 --> 0:06:11.080 He's too young. 0:06:11.120 --> 0:06:14.120 They're not gonna let him go. And the way they're 0:06:14.200 --> 0:06:16.440 acting right now, I wonder what's gonna happen with the 0:06:16.520 --> 0:06:21.200 quarterback because you start talking about the numbers that are here, 0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:26.360 fifty five million for Prescott, thirty five million for Lamb, 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:29.080 we haven't got to what Michael Parsons is going to 0:06:29.120 --> 0:06:34.080 get yet. You bring up Jake Ferguson to me, that's 0:06:34.120 --> 0:06:37.160 not even I'm not even gonna entertain that. 0:06:38.000 --> 0:06:42.680 And men, thanks literally, I look at Jake Ferguson, who 0:06:42.920 --> 0:06:43.880 I like as a player. 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:46.520 But if you want to start talking about the tight 0:06:46.600 --> 0:06:49.120 end numbers and what that's gonna cost you and where 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:50.560 you've got to go, you start looking at the rest 0:06:50.600 --> 0:06:52.839 of your team. I got Tyler Smith, I gotta pay. 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:55.120 I'm gonna pay Tyler Smith before I paid it tightle. 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:58.360 I can go find another Jake for This is where 0:06:58.360 --> 0:07:00.640 I've got to go to my front office to say, hey, look, 0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:03.159 we're gonna have to have you find some dudents for 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:06.920 us because everyone just simply cannot get paid. 0:07:08.120 --> 0:07:09.600 Diggs is making good money. 0:07:09.320 --> 0:07:13.680 Now, yeah, Land, Okay. 0:07:13.320 --> 0:07:15.440 There's an interesting thing about blaining deron Bland. I mean, 0:07:15.480 --> 0:07:18.040 what do you do there? I don't I put it 0:07:18.080 --> 0:07:20.440 like this. I'll pay my corner before I'll pay my titty, 0:07:20.480 --> 0:07:20.960 wouldn't you. 0:07:21.960 --> 0:07:23.680 You can never have as many cover people right. 0:07:23.680 --> 0:07:25.840 Right, So I simply can't. I can't go just find 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:29.240 another hymp all due respects. Much like Jake Ferguson, you've 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:31.280 you've seen that you can go. You found adult and 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:33.080 Choultz you get fut that you can go do that 0:07:33.160 --> 0:07:35.600 you you have in front office. It understands what type 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:38.080 of tight end you have. It's gonna be interesting. And 0:07:38.120 --> 0:07:40.520 that's where the quarterback. As long as the quarterback situation 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:43.480 keeps going out here, haven't I'm having to wonder and 0:07:43.480 --> 0:07:46.760 ask myself is the quarterback going to be back? 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:50.720 It's not even look, I think when when it comes 0:07:50.720 --> 0:07:53.280 down to Dak, whichever side you you you go to 0:07:53.600 --> 0:07:57.000 with him, the inconsistency in the playoffs, you know what 0:07:57.040 --> 0:08:00.440 you get with him, all right, And regardless if Mike 0:08:00.560 --> 0:08:02.960 is here next year, this year, whatever it is, you 0:08:03.040 --> 0:08:05.080 know how solid of a player that you get those 0:08:05.080 --> 0:08:09.240 seventeen games, all right, there's no sense in bothering for 0:08:09.320 --> 0:08:10.560 the future against that. 0:08:10.680 --> 0:08:11.760 To me, it's a no brainer. 0:08:12.120 --> 0:08:14.920 You try and find a way between now and the 0:08:14.960 --> 0:08:17.400 beginning of the season to get Dak's deal done because 0:08:17.440 --> 0:08:18.720 you can't do it. To me, if you can't do 0:08:18.720 --> 0:08:20.960 anything else without getting that deal done, and if you 0:08:21.000 --> 0:08:22.440 just sit on your hands and say, look, we're not 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:25.040 gonna do anything, and you let him walk at the 0:08:25.160 --> 0:08:27.360 end of the season. Then how much sense does that 0:08:27.480 --> 0:08:30.360 make If you don't get anything, you get nothing in 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:31.600 return in that situation. 0:08:31.640 --> 0:08:34.680 So you're right, But what part about any of this 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:37.240 has made sense? Why didn't you lock up CD Lamb. 0:08:38.040 --> 0:08:39.400 Why did you lock up when you could have got 0:08:39.440 --> 0:08:41.680 it at twenty once you saw Tybree Kill get paid. 0:08:41.679 --> 0:08:43.679 Why didn't you do a thing? Why didn't you pay 0:08:43.760 --> 0:08:44.320 dak before? 0:08:44.679 --> 0:08:47.800 So as this thing keeps going on, yeah, I'm just 0:08:47.840 --> 0:08:51.079 starting to wonder who gets left by the side of 0:08:51.120 --> 0:08:51.480 the road. 0:08:53.040 --> 0:08:57.040 Well, look, it's hard for me to go into the 0:08:57.080 --> 0:08:59.080 mind of what the front office is thinking, especially when 0:08:59.120 --> 0:09:01.560 you started the season saying all in, all right, and 0:09:01.640 --> 0:09:03.960 nothing has been all in since you've made the statement 0:09:04.000 --> 0:09:07.440 all right, and so this has been a very confusing offseason, 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:09.880 to say the least. All right, we say preach all right, 0:09:10.040 --> 0:09:12.880 less is more. Maybe somebody said less is more, this 0:09:12.960 --> 0:09:15.080 is what we're gonna do. But if you're not gonna 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:16.880 take care of the core players that you have that 0:09:16.920 --> 0:09:19.000 you know that you're gonna depend on, then that's the 0:09:19.000 --> 0:09:20.920 part that doesn't make any sense to me, because you 0:09:20.960 --> 0:09:23.760 can't build anything for the future around it. Even as 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:27.280 you talk about these young players, right, Dak's getting Dak's 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:29.840 deal done. And even if they're thinking, all right, the 0:09:29.840 --> 0:09:33.640 the the it's gonna increase as far as the cap 0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:36.280 in the future, all right, and maybe you'll have more 0:09:36.320 --> 0:09:38.560 money to play with if that's what they're I'm just 0:09:38.600 --> 0:09:40.600 trying to be in the mind of these guys. But 0:09:40.640 --> 0:09:43.559 in some way you have to get Dak's deal done 0:09:44.040 --> 0:09:46.520 just to continue with this momentum with these young guys. 0:09:46.559 --> 0:09:49.160 You make the point about Justin Jefferson and them having 0:09:49.160 --> 0:09:50.679 a rookie quarterback. 0:09:50.720 --> 0:09:52.120 You don't know what the hell you're getting with. 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:54.840 That, You don't, Okay, So the trajectory, you get paid 0:09:54.840 --> 0:10:00.839 all this money, but you in Minnesota, you're not getting 0:10:00.840 --> 0:10:03.439 the balls, you know, touchdowns, but you're getting all this money. 0:10:03.440 --> 0:10:05.320 And so how does that look as a player for 0:10:05.600 --> 0:10:06.640 perception wise? 0:10:08.080 --> 0:10:13.920 JA Dave Chappelle clutching that money, Okay, I'm just saying, 0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:16.800 somebody's cold. I got my quarterback. I'm clutching at thirty five. 0:10:17.280 --> 0:10:18.840 I'm gonna clutch at be. 0:10:18.840 --> 0:10:21.040 Okay, Okay, and that may be the last that may 0:10:21.080 --> 0:10:24.200 be the last payday that you get. As we start 0:10:24.280 --> 0:10:26.480 talking about players in the future, and that can that 0:10:26.559 --> 0:10:29.679 can have direct ramifications on you in the future. So 0:10:29.720 --> 0:10:31.640 he's going to be looking at that. But if I'm CD, 0:10:31.720 --> 0:10:34.040 if I'm the Cowboys, I'm in a position right now 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:37.000 with the quarterback that has shown me he's continuing to 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:37.480 get better. 0:10:37.480 --> 0:10:40.280 Where did that let that off? Last year? He got 0:10:40.280 --> 0:10:42.040 better MVP votes. 0:10:41.800 --> 0:10:43.600 All of that second MVP voting. 0:10:43.679 --> 0:10:47.520 But but why is he out here waiting on the 0:10:47.559 --> 0:10:51.160 deal still? That's the part Heckma that I can't get 0:10:51.200 --> 0:10:57.480 out of my head because he's done everything that tells 0:10:57.520 --> 0:11:00.440 you you should be signing him to a new deal. 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:02.840 Percent on what the deal getting done? What is your 0:11:03.120 --> 0:11:05.680 faith percentage wise on the deal get done? Where are 0:11:05.720 --> 0:11:09.440 you right now? See faith is no, no, no, hope, 0:11:11.000 --> 0:11:14.080 May don't don't do that? May I know you by 0:11:14.080 --> 0:11:17.640 the tell political as percentage? What is your percentage on 0:11:17.679 --> 0:11:18.680 that right now? What do you think? 0:11:20.160 --> 0:11:22.360 Sixty percent of me says it gets done? 0:11:22.520 --> 0:11:24.800 Sixty percent okay said? 0:11:25.520 --> 0:11:28.319 The forty percent that's out there is I don't get 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:32.280 it because Jerry and the past Troy never had to 0:11:32.280 --> 0:11:35.720 beg for dollars, Romo never had to beg for dollars. 0:11:36.800 --> 0:11:40.640 You've put dak on a franchise tag now and now 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:43.280 we're sitting around here, floating around trying to. 0:11:43.280 --> 0:11:46.000 Figure out what else? What does he have? Why isn't 0:11:46.000 --> 0:11:46.520 he signed? 0:11:46.960 --> 0:11:49.440 I mean, this reminds me of the Lamar Jackson situation 0:11:49.480 --> 0:11:53.400 in Baltimore where some people believe there was collusion across 0:11:53.400 --> 0:11:57.200 the league about getting that done. But he can leave. 0:11:58.120 --> 0:12:00.199 You got nothing at the end. Why would did you 0:12:00.280 --> 0:12:04.240 even want to play this game? I don't understand. He 0:12:04.280 --> 0:12:07.360 did everything, in my opinion, outside of winning in the 0:12:07.400 --> 0:12:09.679 playoffs that you want him to do. You know, by 0:12:09.679 --> 0:12:12.080 the way, Lamar Jackson didn't do it either. No, he 0:12:12.160 --> 0:12:12.800 won the MVP. 0:12:13.080 --> 0:12:13.839 Guy won the MVP. 0:12:13.960 --> 0:12:18.840 Say both dudes laid eggs, so that for me, I 0:12:18.880 --> 0:12:23.400 don't understand. Jalen Hurts, they wrote to check no problem. 0:12:23.760 --> 0:12:28.240 Justin Herbert, they wrote to check no problem. What's the 0:12:28.400 --> 0:12:32.320 problem here? That's what I'm Kirk Cousins got a check. 0:12:33.000 --> 0:12:34.760 Yeah, coming up an injury. 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:40.040 Jerry, Please tell me why you're a quarterback and you're 0:12:40.120 --> 0:12:42.439 the dude since you bought the team in eighty nine 0:12:42.440 --> 0:12:44.240 when you drafted Troitman and gave him a record to 0:12:44.320 --> 0:12:47.120 a couple track, you're the guy who always pays his people. 0:12:47.840 --> 0:12:50.600 Is it the fact that he's I understand four rounded, 0:12:50.640 --> 0:12:52.520 but he was this was way, but he's turned himself 0:12:52.520 --> 0:12:53.840 into an all pro mvlact. 0:12:54.240 --> 0:12:55.280 He led the league. 0:12:56.360 --> 0:12:58.320 That they're making him like you said, beg for these 0:12:58.400 --> 0:13:01.480 dollars when you got guys Herberst my boy, they never 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:02.480 want a playoff game. 0:13:02.800 --> 0:13:04.600 I can see Hirs he took them to the super Bowl. 0:13:04.600 --> 0:13:07.280 But these other guys, Kirk Cousins like you just named, 0:13:07.559 --> 0:13:09.360 they got stops, but there's no. 0:13:09.360 --> 0:13:10.800 Productions with it. 0:13:10.960 --> 0:13:15.120 Golf just got paid, yes, golf, and nothing against him. 0:13:15.400 --> 0:13:18.600 But we know they have assembled a team where there's 0:13:18.640 --> 0:13:22.880 a lot of help. Were big upfront, we got some 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:25.760 running backs and we've invested in So they're not asking 0:13:25.800 --> 0:13:27.960 him to go be Mahomes and Aaron Rodgers. They're not 0:13:28.000 --> 0:13:31.240 asking him to be that he got the cash. This 0:13:31.320 --> 0:13:33.320 is just weird to me. That's why I got the 0:13:33.360 --> 0:13:37.200 forty percent out of here because I've never seen Jerry 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:39.479 operate in this fashion with his quarterback. 0:13:39.600 --> 0:13:42.680 That's the disconnect between the fan base and the front office. 0:13:42.880 --> 0:13:45.840 Is when you start saying, as far as Dak is concerned, 0:13:45.840 --> 0:13:48.760 that he's basically like he's dancing for his meal. Right, 0:13:49.160 --> 0:13:52.840 but he is still when he got his deal, he's 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:56.040 reset the market for quarterbacks at his deal. 0:13:56.360 --> 0:13:57.600 Now time has gone. 0:13:57.400 --> 0:13:58.920 On, you would have liked for that deal to have 0:13:58.960 --> 0:14:01.120 been done last year so you didn't have to worry 0:14:01.120 --> 0:14:01.480 about this. 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:03.720 And these are the things. All you're talking about dragging 0:14:03.760 --> 0:14:04.199 your feet. 0:14:04.320 --> 0:14:08.079 That's it, because that got paid and he's gonna continue 0:14:08.120 --> 0:14:10.560 to get paid, all right, And so he's waiting on 0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:12.600 another because anybody's sitting out there, what do you mean 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:15.600 that got paid top quarterback salary in the league at 0:14:15.640 --> 0:14:19.040 the time that he got that got paid guys, Yes, 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:20.280 and they got to put a clause. 0:14:20.360 --> 0:14:21.960 Hey man, we need you to look at this back. 0:14:22.480 --> 0:14:24.120 Those are all those other things. 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:27.200 All those other things, don't these things are not even 0:14:27.240 --> 0:14:29.800 applicable to Dak because the guy is a football field 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:31.880 in his backyard, all right, So you're not worried about 0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:35.040 him and his dedication to the game. All we're saying 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:37.000 is you can't get any of these other deals done 0:14:37.080 --> 0:14:40.720 until you pay this guy. And everybody knows maybe you know, believer, 0:14:40.920 --> 0:14:43.400 it's different from right now. 0:14:43.600 --> 0:14:46.440 You can okay, you can do that. 0:14:47.400 --> 0:14:48.880 If you wanted to pay it, you could do that. 0:14:48.880 --> 0:14:49.720 I mean you paid digs. 0:14:49.720 --> 0:14:51.200 I mean, if you wanted to go ahead to say, 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:53.720 you know, we're gonna go here first, they can do that. 0:14:54.040 --> 0:14:56.120 Yeah, that would that would store your cap from where 0:14:56.120 --> 0:14:59.080 your cap hit is with with that, That's all I'm saying. 0:14:59.080 --> 0:14:59.760 They did it. 0:15:00.120 --> 0:15:02.320 They did it before he signed last time around. They 0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:05.240 signed some other guys, so so you can do it. 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:09.560 It doesn't make sense to me. It doesn't make sense 0:15:09.640 --> 0:15:11.720 the three of us here. Why would you do this 0:15:12.120 --> 0:15:14.480 in a league that's a quarterback league. How come you 0:15:14.520 --> 0:15:16.960 haven't gone ahead and say, boom, we're taking care of you. 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:18.640 But you know, if you want to sit around here 0:15:18.720 --> 0:15:22.280 each French fries first and and go a hey broccoli. 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:24.000 And then well we'll get to the state later on. 0:15:25.440 --> 0:15:28.200 I don't get it, and it and it just it 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:31.720 just it boggles my mind because this is not I'm 0:15:31.800 --> 0:15:35.320 so much about history and looking at past things that people. 0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:36.640 This is not the Joneses. 0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:39.840 You know, Tony Tony you played with Tony never had 0:15:39.880 --> 0:15:43.360 to sing for no supper bro checks every single time. 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:46.280 Flip flops and hall. But do you think those the 0:15:46.280 --> 0:15:49.040 front office thought those were the guys and they're still 0:15:50.200 --> 0:15:51.440 out out on Prescott. 0:15:51.480 --> 0:15:53.600 I mean that's to be the only that could be 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:55.760 the only, like because. 0:15:58.000 --> 0:16:00.000 Someone somewhere along the way there's a question. 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:04.240 So I guess what you're saying is you're in a waiting, 0:16:04.600 --> 0:16:07.800 wait and see situation with this season with Dak here. 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:09.400 That's the only way they've. 0:16:09.160 --> 0:16:09.880 Done it before. 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:12.360 Yeah, that's I could think of. They've done it. 0:16:12.320 --> 0:16:14.760 Before, they made the man play on a franchise tag. 0:16:15.320 --> 0:16:17.720 I just I think you're beyond that point now. I 0:16:17.760 --> 0:16:20.360 think before I may I may have agreed with you, 0:16:20.440 --> 0:16:24.800 but I think you're beyond that point, especially after last season, especially. 0:16:24.480 --> 0:16:27.120 After why they get no. They pin in the paper. 0:16:27.680 --> 0:16:28.560 If he's the guy. 0:16:28.480 --> 0:16:31.880 That's the million dollar question, this should get done. And 0:16:31.880 --> 0:16:34.040 that's why I asked the question. What's your percentage of 0:16:34.040 --> 0:16:37.280 getting the deal done? You say sixty percent. I believe 0:16:37.320 --> 0:16:38.800 the deal gets done before we go to camp. 0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:44.440 What's percent? I'm seventy five you're saying before camp? See, yeah, 0:16:44.120 --> 0:16:45.600 I'm just period. 0:16:46.320 --> 0:16:48.960 So you said he might go into the season without. 0:16:50.160 --> 0:16:53.480 That's crazy. We've seen it before. Though, we've seen this before. 0:16:54.000 --> 0:16:56.640 I mean, so we're not talking about something that hasn't 0:16:56.680 --> 0:17:00.560 made a scratch our heads. That's true, and it's so 0:17:00.800 --> 0:17:04.800 out of character, so out of character for what they're doing. 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:05.639 I don't get it. 0:17:05.720 --> 0:17:09.840 And and we'll dive into this next. Paying Trey Lance five 0:17:09.840 --> 0:17:13.920 point three million dollars and they're talking about him in 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:14.760 a positive lot. 0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:17.560 We'll talk about that. And is Michaeh. 0:17:17.560 --> 0:17:20.040 Parsons Is Michael Parsons the leader? There was a column 0:17:20.040 --> 0:17:23.320 written about that. Barry Church is laughing, But we'll dive 0:17:23.320 --> 0:17:26.159 into that next. 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They spoke 0:20:29.560 --> 0:20:30.720 about him once again. 0:20:30.920 --> 0:20:32.920 Mike McCarthy was a lot of positive things to say 0:20:32.920 --> 0:20:40.080 that they're going to push him heavily for preseason preseason camp. 0:20:39.880 --> 0:20:43.400 Out here disrespecting my guy out here, man, Now he's 0:20:43.440 --> 0:20:46.280 my guy, but you know before he wasn't respect. 0:20:47.840 --> 0:20:49.120 What is he done? 0:20:49.560 --> 0:20:51.439 What has Trey done to be like you know, all right, 0:20:51.480 --> 0:20:53.440 he's we're gonna slide him in there. We're gonna push 0:20:53.480 --> 0:20:55.119 and see, you know, see what he got. I understand 0:20:55.160 --> 0:20:59.320 preseason on a camp, But what has he done. 0:20:58.680 --> 0:21:02.199 For him to just be next in line? The air 0:21:02.440 --> 0:21:03.200 the air apparent? 0:21:03.400 --> 0:21:06.439 I just besides being a first round pick, like all right, 0:21:06.440 --> 0:21:07.840 so if he was a four or fifth round pick, 0:21:07.840 --> 0:21:11.080 are we still we're still doing? Like we come on, 0:21:11.240 --> 0:21:16.159 He's had opportunities last year he was here, didn't scratch 0:21:16.160 --> 0:21:18.080 the surface. Now all of a sudden, he's gonna be 0:21:18.119 --> 0:21:21.200 out there the trade package read out. 0:21:22.200 --> 0:21:24.320 I'm dealing these days, me and CD can I just 0:21:25.400 --> 0:21:26.160 I don't see it, man. 0:21:26.160 --> 0:21:28.200 I see the disrespect for now, and I respect that 0:21:28.320 --> 0:21:30.320 coming from you as a former player. I think you 0:21:30.320 --> 0:21:32.639 you understand that. That's probably how the locker room is 0:21:32.640 --> 0:21:34.880 speaking too. You know what has this guy done as 0:21:34.920 --> 0:21:38.160 he even because Cooper Rush has already shown you, he's 0:21:38.200 --> 0:21:40.840 given you that time proof and consistency that if all 0:21:40.880 --> 0:21:42.760 hell breaks loose, he can come in and be a 0:21:42.800 --> 0:21:45.280 guy that could be a gap for the four or 0:21:45.280 --> 0:21:48.639 five games and pull out some quality wins for you. Like, 0:21:49.160 --> 0:21:52.200 what else is Mike McCarthy supposed to say that about trailer? 0:21:52.880 --> 0:21:54.600 I mean, what do he come out and says, guys, 0:21:54.640 --> 0:21:57.159 garbage is taking it up. You know he's gonna come 0:21:57.160 --> 0:21:59.080 out and say, look, we've made some modifications to his 0:21:59.200 --> 0:22:01.320 throwing motion and he's getting rid of the ball a 0:22:01.359 --> 0:22:01.919 lot quicker. 0:22:02.000 --> 0:22:02.200 Now. 0:22:02.400 --> 0:22:05.520 You know, he's reading defenses a lot better. Now we've 0:22:05.560 --> 0:22:08.040 taken a gamble on this guy, and we got at 0:22:08.119 --> 0:22:10.520 least talk him up if he's gonna have any equity 0:22:10.680 --> 0:22:13.040 for us to move on from in the future. So look, 0:22:13.080 --> 0:22:15.520 it's all just coaches speak to me. I didn't buy 0:22:15.760 --> 0:22:18.400 too much into that. Now these preseason games, you'll get 0:22:18.400 --> 0:22:22.879 an opportunity to see Trey you trigger Tray. 0:22:28.320 --> 0:22:39.000 See how not right release. I just don't hear anything 0:22:39.000 --> 0:22:46.280 about it. The athletics. Come on, man, come on, we'll. 0:22:46.119 --> 0:22:48.800 See what he got what he was supposed to do. 0:22:49.160 --> 0:22:51.720 I noticed your man and all, and we waited, were 0:22:51.720 --> 0:22:54.960 waiting on the debut. You see what he got the 0:22:55.080 --> 0:22:56.240 second coming. 0:22:57.400 --> 0:23:08.480 The smiddy nobody wants to trust in Mike's. 0:23:07.200 --> 0:23:11.399 Programmed might do it out there with my forty percent 0:23:11.520 --> 0:23:14.240 being out here talked about, you know, was I think 0:23:14.359 --> 0:23:16.200 sixty percent that they will sign Doak Prescott? 0:23:16.200 --> 0:23:17.720 The forty percent is a part of that. Is Trey 0:23:17.760 --> 0:23:19.359 Lance here a part of that. 0:23:19.760 --> 0:23:21.399 It is a to me, it's a part of the 0:23:21.440 --> 0:23:24.840 factoring in here because I've chatted with a couple of folks. 0:23:25.840 --> 0:23:29.840 So I still think they like to get that done. 0:23:30.080 --> 0:23:32.760 I think that's what they want to do. But clearly 0:23:34.560 --> 0:23:38.159 they're working on playing B. And if plan B is 0:23:39.240 --> 0:23:43.320 Lance rush the ticket, the Lance rush. 0:23:43.160 --> 0:23:46.800 Ticket, they don't run it twenty twenty five. Maybe that's 0:23:46.840 --> 0:23:47.400 what they do. 0:23:47.680 --> 0:23:50.200 But at this point in time, you cannot just dismiss 0:23:50.240 --> 0:23:51.960 it and say, nah, it's not going to happen. 0:23:52.480 --> 0:23:57.120 The Lance Rush Tours. I just man, stranger things have happened. 0:23:56.880 --> 0:23:59.480 Yeah, like Tony Romill coming to start a quarterback, because 0:23:59.480 --> 0:24:01.600 I remember me, Romo came in here with Terres Newman 0:24:02.040 --> 0:24:04.720 and was the fourth quarterback that you thought was gonna 0:24:04.720 --> 0:24:08.680 get cut until they cut Quincy. So we've seen crazier 0:24:08.720 --> 0:24:12.040 things happen around here. I just don't think you should 0:24:12.119 --> 0:24:15.240 laugh off Trey Lance. Don't laugh at Trey Lance off, Like, 0:24:15.240 --> 0:24:16.320 don't laugh at him like that. 0:24:16.359 --> 0:24:17.439 Man, he did gonna come in here. 0:24:17.440 --> 0:24:20.480 Don't laugh like that. Don't laugh man, Just trying to 0:24:20.480 --> 0:24:23.200 tell you, don't laugh. Don't laugh. 0:24:23.359 --> 0:24:24.760 Man, I'm gonna come off the couch and. 0:24:29.600 --> 0:24:29.719 Up. 0:24:30.119 --> 0:24:30.359 Man. 0:24:30.720 --> 0:24:33.040 I just can't see it personally. I just man, we'll 0:24:33.040 --> 0:24:37.439 see them. Why why because we haven't seen him done 0:24:37.480 --> 0:24:40.480 it before. And and look, time proof. You're big on 0:24:40.560 --> 0:24:42.760 this time proof and consistency thing, and we've seen it 0:24:42.800 --> 0:24:46.439 from Cooper Rush. And I just I just look, you're 0:24:46.440 --> 0:24:48.360 making me go. According's hands on you right now. 0:24:49.080 --> 0:24:52.080 And so when you go Cooper Rush, okay, I go 0:24:52.240 --> 0:24:55.760 back to what he did with then McCarthy's program, because 0:24:55.800 --> 0:24:56.560 I saw what he was here. 0:24:57.000 --> 0:24:57.480 Boy JG. 0:24:58.840 --> 0:25:02.560 Don't like just say he took to New York and 0:25:02.560 --> 0:25:04.760 couldn't get that out of he was was the guy 0:25:04.960 --> 0:25:06.280 who got something out of us. 0:25:07.359 --> 0:25:11.000 Okay, So the man's program he's showing. 0:25:11.960 --> 0:25:15.560 I'm just more or less saying, guys, as long as 0:25:15.600 --> 0:25:18.960 this Dak contract hangs out here the way it's hanging 0:25:19.000 --> 0:25:23.040 out here, because when he gets the free agency, they 0:25:23.080 --> 0:25:23.879 can't stop it. 0:25:24.400 --> 0:25:25.879 No, they can't stop it. 0:25:26.720 --> 0:25:29.000 Right, it's over with. And so then it becomes a 0:25:29.040 --> 0:25:30.920 point of hey, man, who's gonna give you most money? 0:25:30.960 --> 0:25:31.600 How do I feel? 0:25:31.600 --> 0:25:34.560 I mean, there's you're you're going and he may you 0:25:34.640 --> 0:25:36.879 let him go, he may not come back. And so 0:25:37.000 --> 0:25:40.480 if that's the case, then that means Lance Rush may 0:25:40.480 --> 0:25:42.520 be what you go with as your quarterback. It is 0:25:42.600 --> 0:25:46.439 a possibility, oh for sure. And I'm putting it in 0:25:46.520 --> 0:25:49.640 a forty percent possibility right now because I don't know. 0:25:50.040 --> 0:25:52.840 And that and that great area to me, based off 0:25:52.880 --> 0:25:54.919 of the contracts that you're putting together, the team that 0:25:54.960 --> 0:25:58.080 you coming off of the season three seasons that you've had, 0:25:59.200 --> 0:26:01.680 why would you blow that up for a lesser known 0:26:01.720 --> 0:26:05.760 commodity in Trey Lance. To me, even if if even 0:26:05.840 --> 0:26:08.600 like Mike McCarthy right now, he's in his last year 0:26:08.640 --> 0:26:12.280 on his contract, he can't put his faith in Trey 0:26:12.359 --> 0:26:15.760 Lance right now. Your best way to get there is 0:26:16.119 --> 0:26:19.080 through Dak ever having a great season. 0:26:19.200 --> 0:26:22.320 That's yes, what you say, Okay, heck man, what's yours? 0:26:22.359 --> 0:26:25.520 I'm not debating you. What you say makes sense, But 0:26:25.640 --> 0:26:28.760 it also doesn't make sense that your head coach, who's 0:26:29.280 --> 0:26:31.920 only only Andy Reid the last three years, has one 0:26:31.960 --> 0:26:34.440 more regular season games in him, is sitting around here 0:26:34.480 --> 0:26:37.119 singing for his supper, that your quarterback who led the 0:26:37.160 --> 0:26:39.920 league and touchdown passes second to the MVP, is singing. 0:26:40.320 --> 0:26:43.080 None of this makes sense. But this is what the 0:26:43.200 --> 0:26:45.600 owner has laid out. And so if he's laid this 0:26:45.720 --> 0:26:49.600 out here, you have to say, okay, they could not 0:26:49.760 --> 0:26:50.560 be back. 0:26:50.560 --> 0:26:53.959 Because he's left the door open for that to happen. 0:26:56.440 --> 0:26:59.280 Cannot ignore that Jerry we trust. 0:26:59.320 --> 0:27:01.879 I mean, like always said, he's never let somebody leave 0:27:02.280 --> 0:27:04.480 that he that he's won it, and he's paid weapons 0:27:04.480 --> 0:27:04.760 out here. 0:27:04.760 --> 0:27:06.280 We talked about this last week. 0:27:06.800 --> 0:27:09.800 And oh, by the way, if Mike McCarthy has a 0:27:09.840 --> 0:27:12.639 really good year, guess what he can do too, just 0:27:12.760 --> 0:27:14.760 like that, let me ease on out this door or 0:27:14.760 --> 0:27:16.480 find something better if I want to. 0:27:17.240 --> 0:27:19.480 They can re up, then definitely he can. 0:27:19.400 --> 0:27:22.680 Re up or he could go walk if he has 0:27:22.720 --> 0:27:26.040 another let's say, ten win season, four years in a row, 0:27:26.200 --> 0:27:30.040 ten plus win seasons in this league, and we all 0:27:30.080 --> 0:27:33.320 know this is a different kind of franchise to work 0:27:33.400 --> 0:27:37.440 for you your time in Jackson. Yeah right, it's a 0:27:37.480 --> 0:27:40.400 whole lot going on around here that Mike McCarthy. 0:27:40.000 --> 0:27:40.879 Is going to show a prow that. 0:27:40.880 --> 0:27:46.800 He heckma, it doesn't make any sense. No, we agree, 0:27:46.800 --> 0:27:49.960 it doesn't make sense, but this is what has been 0:27:50.000 --> 0:27:50.879 allowed to happen. 0:27:51.040 --> 0:27:53.080 Yeah, from the beginning with Mike McCarthy. I said it 0:27:53.080 --> 0:27:55.280 coming into the Sea, coming into this offseason that that 0:27:55.400 --> 0:27:57.119 was the one deal that to me didn't make sense 0:27:57.320 --> 0:28:00.600 that that didn't get done to get him get his 0:28:00.640 --> 0:28:03.040 deal redone is from because that has anything to do 0:28:03.119 --> 0:28:06.760 with the salary cap or anything like that. And he's 0:28:06.800 --> 0:28:09.560 he's been successful. I just think it's the playoffs that 0:28:09.720 --> 0:28:12.240 is plaguing him right now. And you know, if he 0:28:12.520 --> 0:28:14.400 if he does exactly what you just said, and then 0:28:14.440 --> 0:28:17.359 he's not the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys in 0:28:17.400 --> 0:28:21.080 twenty twenty five, after winning four consecutive Dan. 0:28:21.000 --> 0:28:21.720 Campbell got a deal. 0:28:22.840 --> 0:28:28.359 Let me think about that, you know, I mean, you know, okay, 0:28:28.720 --> 0:28:31.240 the body of work. I mean, Mike McCarthy is a 0:28:31.280 --> 0:28:34.119 Super Bowl coach who's come here and taken over for 0:28:34.320 --> 0:28:36.520 your man and done it out. 0:28:36.560 --> 0:28:39.400 You know, takeaway the first year COVID year. 0:28:39.760 --> 0:28:43.400 The guys. The guy's been on coaching. He's been coaching, 0:28:43.640 --> 0:28:46.040 and you got to sit around here. It doesn't make sense. 0:28:46.240 --> 0:28:48.040 Let's get our last break in here when we come back. 0:28:48.160 --> 0:28:50.600 Is Micah Parsons a leader? 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We 0:31:32.480 --> 0:31:38.240 gave y'all y'all federal holiday. Appreciate, appreciated. Harrison Yeah Saturday, 0:31:38.680 --> 0:31:41.920 congratulations He Maharris twenty twenty. 0:31:42.560 --> 0:31:46.560 He is Bury Church, Lewiscrus Players Lounge mandatory mini camp 0:31:46.640 --> 0:31:48.560 is this week, so Michael Parsons is required to be 0:31:48.600 --> 0:31:49.760 here June four, five six. 0:31:50.600 --> 0:31:51.480 He has not been. 0:31:51.360 --> 0:31:55.680 Here for the OTAs which is the uh that's voluntary, okay. 0:31:56.200 --> 0:31:58.480 And to quote the great Darren Hamlet was I was 0:31:58.480 --> 0:32:00.960 there when he said it to me? What do volunteer mean? 0:32:01.320 --> 0:32:02.160 Jacky Valley reach? 0:32:03.080 --> 0:32:07.400 What do what? Heavy on the duke? But do voluntary means? 0:32:07.440 --> 0:32:11.760 So David Moore, the Dallas Morning News came up with 0:32:11.760 --> 0:32:14.600 the comps Dallas Cowboys, Michael Parsons is a star. That 0:32:14.640 --> 0:32:16.560 does not mean he is a leader. Soas no one 0:32:16.600 --> 0:32:19.160 should question Michael parsons drive to be great. Now, if 0:32:19.160 --> 0:32:22.400 you want to question his credentials as a leader, that's 0:32:22.520 --> 0:32:25.520 fair game. After the Cowboys got drilled forty eight thirty 0:32:25.520 --> 0:32:28.000 five to get Green Bay Packers. Parsons said, cool, I 0:32:28.040 --> 0:32:30.600 want to change the culture. I want to change the 0:32:30.640 --> 0:32:34.160 identity of what the Cowboys are. Cut the charades out, 0:32:34.480 --> 0:32:37.080 cut out the extra stuff. I just want people to 0:32:37.160 --> 0:32:41.480 lock in for twenty two or whatever weeks. Parsons has 0:32:41.520 --> 0:32:45.680 decided not to participate in the off season the OTAs 0:32:45.720 --> 0:32:49.960 he's been training, but he came to the Star last 0:32:49.960 --> 0:32:54.040 week to cut promos. 0:32:55.840 --> 0:33:00.360 So to get up. 0:33:00.440 --> 0:33:02.880 I'm puffy, I'm all that, I'm all in the video. 0:33:05.720 --> 0:33:07.520 To retire that one. 0:33:07.960 --> 0:33:10.800 Everybody else out there and practicing. I just put on 0:33:10.880 --> 0:33:11.600 my stuff. 0:33:11.280 --> 0:33:11.720 In that gun. 0:33:11.800 --> 0:33:14.600 The boy you gotta see. 0:33:14.800 --> 0:33:17.720 You gotta be there for the NBC intros and the 0:33:17.800 --> 0:33:18.840 Jumpo trun Dog. 0:33:19.120 --> 0:33:23.160 You do it to make it happen. 0:33:24.640 --> 0:33:26.719 And that's where Moore is like, you know, showing up 0:33:26.720 --> 0:33:29.080 in the start to shoot a video then pointedly not 0:33:29.120 --> 0:33:31.160 practicing with your teammates is another thing. 0:33:31.200 --> 0:33:32.560 The optics are not good. 0:33:33.280 --> 0:33:35.640 He says, they weren't good on Thursday with Parsons posted 0:33:35.680 --> 0:33:38.320 on X while his teammates were practicing at the Ford 0:33:38.320 --> 0:33:43.040 Center do the Rain. So that's where David Moore's column 0:33:43.080 --> 0:33:45.520 comes in and says, yeah, he's a star, but is 0:33:45.560 --> 0:33:47.000 he much of a leaders? 0:33:47.000 --> 0:33:51.200 Start with you Church, I ain't gonna say, you know, 0:33:51.240 --> 0:33:54.280 he's a bad leader, and greatly you know, there's things 0:33:54.280 --> 0:33:56.880 that that he does out there or to where myself, 0:33:56.960 --> 0:33:59.080 you know, as a former captain, I wouldn't have done. 0:33:59.200 --> 0:34:00.840 But you know, it's a new age and a new 0:34:01.160 --> 0:34:03.240 time with these players, you know, getting their brands out 0:34:03.280 --> 0:34:05.000 there and being all in the spotlight and all that 0:34:05.000 --> 0:34:05.600 good stuff. 0:34:05.840 --> 0:34:06.040 You know. 0:34:06.080 --> 0:34:07.480 But something, you know, it resonated with me a little 0:34:07.480 --> 0:34:09.360 bit when you said, you know, twenty two weeks we 0:34:09.360 --> 0:34:10.880 need to lock in, we need to do this and that, 0:34:11.400 --> 0:34:13.439 you know. But at the same time, you know, after 0:34:13.440 --> 0:34:16.719 each game he's doing these podcasts and bringing up these 0:34:16.719 --> 0:34:19.840 bulletpoard materials, which is the extranists. You know, if you 0:34:19.840 --> 0:34:22.360 want to be locked in, be locked in. And you know, 0:34:22.440 --> 0:34:24.560 I think he's a leader as regards to his play 0:34:24.640 --> 0:34:26.439 on the field, Like if y'all want to be great, 0:34:26.480 --> 0:34:28.759 follow me, and he's done that. He's he's lifted up 0:34:28.760 --> 0:34:31.560 everybody else's game on that defense by just being out 0:34:31.600 --> 0:34:34.120 there on the football field. There's little things here and 0:34:34.160 --> 0:34:36.000 there that he may need to, you know, mature a 0:34:36.040 --> 0:34:38.640 little bit in But overall, I mean, you know, I 0:34:38.640 --> 0:34:40.480 think he's a young guy out there, you know, doing 0:34:40.480 --> 0:34:42.880 what he can to get this defense to the right position. 0:34:42.920 --> 0:34:45.600 I mean on the field, players outstanding. Off the field, 0:34:45.960 --> 0:34:47.480 you know, a little bit here and there, maybe needs 0:34:47.520 --> 0:34:49.080 to work on. But I'm not gonna say he's a 0:34:49.080 --> 0:34:51.120 bad leader. Overall, I just think he needs to mature 0:34:51.120 --> 0:34:52.480 a little bit and he will. I mean, he's a 0:34:52.520 --> 0:34:52.879 young player. 0:34:52.880 --> 0:34:55.840 And they didn't say bad, they just said he's not 0:34:56.080 --> 0:35:00.200 a leader. You're a star, but not a leader. I 0:35:00.239 --> 0:35:04.000 understand there are some people who felt that Tony Romo 0:35:04.360 --> 0:35:08.759 was a star, but he wasn't a leader. Okay, so 0:35:09.000 --> 0:35:12.920 this is not this is not something uncommon across sports 0:35:13.400 --> 0:35:16.000 where people will say, hey, star player, but that's not 0:35:16.160 --> 0:35:20.120 the guy that people are going to go follow. Troy 0:35:20.120 --> 0:35:22.960 Aikman was a great player, but people felt the heartbeat 0:35:23.000 --> 0:35:25.640 of the team was Michael Irvin. Not to say Troy 0:35:25.719 --> 0:35:29.799 wasn't leader, because we all know eight ball was. So 0:35:31.400 --> 0:35:34.000 what David Moore laid out was a case that said 0:35:35.360 --> 0:35:38.360 you're saying one thing, but you're doing another. 0:35:38.640 --> 0:35:41.560 Yeah, you know, being a leader, And I just go 0:35:41.640 --> 0:35:43.560 back to what you said, Barry, because I think a 0:35:43.560 --> 0:35:47.080 lot of that comes from the experience as a former player. 0:35:47.440 --> 0:35:50.160 You talk about the locker room, the bulletin board material 0:35:50.200 --> 0:35:53.080 and things that you just don't give your team that 0:35:53.120 --> 0:35:56.880 you're playing AMMO against you. And we're in a new age. 0:35:57.000 --> 0:35:59.880 These guys have podcasts, they have endorsement deals. They're all 0:36:00.080 --> 0:36:03.200 protecting their brand because those are the things that they 0:36:03.320 --> 0:36:06.279 that's not connected to the team. It's theirs and so look, 0:36:06.320 --> 0:36:08.880 it's the people that are the old guard. Now I 0:36:08.920 --> 0:36:11.839 call you old, but the old guard it just basically says, look, 0:36:11.880 --> 0:36:15.000 that's not what us football players do. We don't after 0:36:15.040 --> 0:36:17.360 a game. There's no interviews. You lock in for the 0:36:17.400 --> 0:36:19.920 week ahead. The one guy on this team that I 0:36:20.000 --> 0:36:23.560 am not worried about is number eleven, the Bazooka. I'm 0:36:23.560 --> 0:36:26.240 not worried about him. He has forty point five sacks 0:36:26.480 --> 0:36:29.120 in three season. I am not worried about him. 0:36:29.239 --> 0:36:30.000 I need hold on. 0:36:30.080 --> 0:36:33.319 I need everybody else to lock in on how you 0:36:33.400 --> 0:36:35.480 play with number eleven. 0:36:35.560 --> 0:36:37.560 Now, I'm not going to judge him on these OTAs. 0:36:37.560 --> 0:36:38.279 I'm not going to say it. 0:36:38.320 --> 0:36:41.839 How many players have we had that have skipped OTAs 0:36:41.880 --> 0:36:44.920 and came in and had phenomenal seasons. Nobody's talking about 0:36:44.920 --> 0:36:47.440 that Week five, Week eight, Well, you know he missed 0:36:47.880 --> 0:36:49.160 voluntary training. 0:36:49.040 --> 0:36:50.760 You know, against San Francisco. 0:36:51.239 --> 0:36:54.360 Week five against San Francisco. Yeah, but this is what 0:36:54.360 --> 0:36:56.640 I'm saying to you, what I'm what I'm saying to 0:36:56.719 --> 0:36:57.080 you is. 0:36:57.280 --> 0:36:59.240 That's the one guy. That's the one guy. 0:36:59.080 --> 0:37:01.160 That I'm not worried about, because I need these other 0:37:01.239 --> 0:37:05.080 ten guys to support number eleven and make it where 0:37:05.120 --> 0:37:07.520 you can't double team this guy. If you're double team 0:37:07.520 --> 0:37:09.239 in on one side, Sam Williams, I need you to 0:37:09.239 --> 0:37:10.600 beat I need you to beat your guy. 0:37:11.239 --> 0:37:13.160 I'll come back to you and simply say, this is 0:37:13.200 --> 0:37:16.080 the way we're talking about Dak rightfully so and not 0:37:16.160 --> 0:37:19.160 performing against San Francisco and not performing against Green. 0:37:19.000 --> 0:37:21.400 Bay in the playoffs, we can say the same thing 0:37:21.400 --> 0:37:22.160 about number eleven. 0:37:22.280 --> 0:37:23.480 Where were you? Yeah? 0:37:23.640 --> 0:37:25.839 And when we want to people want to throw out 0:37:25.840 --> 0:37:29.680 the Lawrence Tailor comparisons and brother, where are you at? 0:37:30.480 --> 0:37:34.759 Because legitimate he is right? 0:37:34.880 --> 0:37:39.560 Okay, you want to look Dak Prescott legitimately criticized for 0:37:39.600 --> 0:37:42.800 what happened to playoffs. Micah should be as well. Where 0:37:42.840 --> 0:37:47.400 were you? Certainly not TJ Whiten It out there. You 0:37:47.440 --> 0:37:49.279 know when you want to compare yourself to these other 0:37:49.360 --> 0:37:52.279 dudes who actually have Defensive Player of the aarwards and 0:37:52.320 --> 0:37:57.359 you don't you leave yourself open. Heckma is what what 0:37:57.640 --> 0:38:00.000 mister Moore is saying. When you decide you want to 0:38:00.120 --> 0:38:02.200 do these things, you leave yourself open. 0:38:02.480 --> 0:38:05.839 I get it, and look and Barry, I guess. 0:38:05.920 --> 0:38:08.799 My My question to you is, as who has played you, 0:38:08.800 --> 0:38:11.759 yourself playing with dogs and guys in this league that 0:38:11.800 --> 0:38:13.759 have played at a high level. You know what this 0:38:13.840 --> 0:38:15.680 guy is gonna bring each and every week. But you 0:38:15.760 --> 0:38:18.919 also know that these offensive coordinators have schemed up. You're 0:38:18.960 --> 0:38:21.120 on one side of the ball. We've seen what you 0:38:21.120 --> 0:38:23.239 guys are doing. We're gonna scheme up for you. We're 0:38:23.280 --> 0:38:25.839 gonna run directly at you. We're no, this is this 0:38:25.880 --> 0:38:31.200 is what you're going to do. That's a whole different look. 0:38:31.280 --> 0:38:33.480 Let's go into the body type. Let's go into the 0:38:33.760 --> 0:38:36.319 type of defense that they play. Let's go let's go 0:38:36.360 --> 0:38:38.400 into all that are you built for that. We've been 0:38:38.440 --> 0:38:41.040 talking about this guy at defensive end versus linebackers since 0:38:41.080 --> 0:38:44.520 he's been in the league, So it's not exploratory to say, oh, 0:38:44.520 --> 0:38:46.800 when you say t J. Watt or the guy in Cleveland. 0:38:46.800 --> 0:38:50.360 These are these are true three four defensive ends. Chris Jones, 0:38:50.960 --> 0:38:53.200 come on, now, come on you are you just wave 0:38:53.680 --> 0:38:55.960 so Chris Jones and Kansas City, Well, I'm not. I'm 0:38:56.280 --> 0:39:00.480 talking about a defensive end. And Michael Parsons, who is signific. 0:39:00.560 --> 0:39:03.400 He is an edge rusher. He and what he was 0:39:03.480 --> 0:39:06.680 last season was almost like a one trick pony where 0:39:06.719 --> 0:39:08.560 you put him out there on the edge and said, look, 0:39:08.640 --> 0:39:09.800 get after the quarterback. 0:39:09.880 --> 0:39:13.399 What did San Francisco do Differently? They ran right at him. 0:39:13.440 --> 0:39:14.680 What Yoda said, do it? 0:39:14.760 --> 0:39:15.000 Do not? 0:39:15.080 --> 0:39:16.080 There is no try this. 0:39:16.120 --> 0:39:17.920 Said Yoda ain't never put on no helmet and got 0:39:17.920 --> 0:39:19.920 out there and did what Michael's doing. So you're not 0:39:19.920 --> 0:39:22.239 gonna tell me that Michael slipping when he's got forty 0:39:22.280 --> 0:39:25.359 point five. And also, by the way, there's only one 0:39:25.360 --> 0:39:27.960 other guy by the name of White that's done what 0:39:28.000 --> 0:39:29.960 this guy is doing. So in comparison to say that 0:39:30.000 --> 0:39:32.120 he's not a leader is off base. You need to 0:39:32.160 --> 0:39:34.799 find somebody else to talk about, because this guy right here, 0:39:34.840 --> 0:39:36.960 he that him, He is. 0:39:36.920 --> 0:39:38.399 That guy him, He is that guy. 0:39:38.520 --> 0:39:39.440 Packers didn't think so. 0:39:39.560 --> 0:39:41.200 But about to say, but the new he's put that. 0:39:41.280 --> 0:39:43.879 He against San Francisco has always shown up in the. 0:39:43.800 --> 0:39:45.000 Playoffs, his hit. 0:39:45.120 --> 0:39:48.400 The criticism of Dak Prescott is legitimate. 0:39:47.920 --> 0:39:50.759 But you can but you don't put any of the guys. 0:39:50.800 --> 0:39:54.560 You can also put it on Michael Parsons if you 0:39:54.600 --> 0:39:57.000 want to talk about I'm defensive player of the year 0:39:57.080 --> 0:39:58.040 on this, on that. 0:39:58.480 --> 0:40:01.200 Where were you in the biggest game games? Lawrence Taylor 0:40:01.280 --> 0:40:02.520 was always here in the biggest games. 0:40:03.000 --> 0:40:05.720 T J Watt being there, He's out there winning awards, 0:40:05.760 --> 0:40:06.239 getting there. 0:40:06.600 --> 0:40:09.080 Miles Garrett is too. That's all I'm saying. 0:40:09.160 --> 0:40:11.880 If you want to say I'm this, I'm that he is, 0:40:11.920 --> 0:40:13.240 then I need to see this. 0:40:13.800 --> 0:40:14.799 When it counts. 0:40:14.480 --> 0:40:18.040 At moments, it is Connor McDavid for Evanson Oiles, is 0:40:18.080 --> 0:40:20.520 that getting done, it's Luka Donches's Kyrie Irvy getting it done. 0:40:20.640 --> 0:40:21.000 You get. 0:40:21.440 --> 0:40:24.280 So basically, what you're saying about micaeh is that he's 0:40:24.320 --> 0:40:26.759 being perceived as his superstar in the league, but when 0:40:26.760 --> 0:40:28.480 the moments are big as he disappears. 0:40:29.320 --> 0:40:33.359 Right now, when I look at the playoffs. 0:40:33.600 --> 0:40:36.040 He wasn't where. He wasn't the player he needed to be. 0:40:36.480 --> 0:40:38.239 The quarterback wasn't the player he needed to be. 0:40:38.880 --> 0:40:39.520 On the other. 0:40:39.400 --> 0:40:41.319 Guys that wasn't the players that they needed to be. 0:40:42.120 --> 0:40:43.839 That's what I'm saying. You got more guys out there 0:40:43.840 --> 0:40:45.040 on the field that didn't play either. 0:40:45.080 --> 0:40:47.120 You ain't about to They're not about to break the bank, 0:40:47.160 --> 0:40:47.480 are they. 0:40:47.600 --> 0:40:52.840 Okay? All right, Okay, that's true. I mean, okay, get 0:40:53.239 --> 0:40:56.520 you know they are. That's support. I mean, where's Tito, 0:40:56.560 --> 0:40:59.520 where's you? You know, we beat up on. 0:41:01.320 --> 0:41:04.160 Marty? Marty. 0:41:06.239 --> 0:41:07.800 That's what we're paying the seam. Okay. 0:41:07.920 --> 0:41:10.680 So what we're talking about, we're talking about is the 0:41:10.680 --> 0:41:13.120 best players. Okay, when you want to win these ships, 0:41:13.200 --> 0:41:16.120 you need your best players. Absolutely, Like Patrick Mahomes in 0:41:16.160 --> 0:41:18.239 the Super Bowl. Hey man, get it there, Chris Jones. 0:41:18.280 --> 0:41:20.200 You can't see the go ahead and get it done. 0:41:20.960 --> 0:41:24.120 The quarterback, the wide receiver, and the defensive end. Your 0:41:24.200 --> 0:41:26.879 star players did not get it done against Green Bay. 0:41:26.960 --> 0:41:29.839 They did not get it done against San Francisco. Those 0:41:29.880 --> 0:41:33.520 are legitimate things. And as I'm covering the Mavericks right now, 0:41:33.920 --> 0:41:36.360 all I can see here and say is I saw Kyrie, 0:41:36.560 --> 0:41:38.040 I saw Luca go do their thing. 0:41:38.600 --> 0:41:39.520 That's everything else. 0:41:40.200 --> 0:41:42.560 When I covered the Rangers, I saw Corey Seger go 0:41:42.560 --> 0:41:44.239 out there and go get his thing done. I saw 0:41:44.360 --> 0:41:47.480 native Valdi goes, you need your best players, especially when 0:41:47.520 --> 0:41:49.960 I'm about to write you a check as big as 0:41:50.000 --> 0:41:51.080 anything I need you to get. 0:41:51.160 --> 0:41:52.839 I like what you said there, because even in putting 0:41:52.800 --> 0:41:55.319 it in a basketball analogy, now with the Mavericks going 0:41:55.400 --> 0:41:58.840 up against Boston, who has one of the top rosters 0:41:58.920 --> 0:42:01.040 in the NBA, what are you going to get from 0:42:01.040 --> 0:42:03.000 guys like Lively? Where are you going to get from 0:42:03.040 --> 0:42:06.320 these other guys, these role players that now can't just 0:42:06.320 --> 0:42:09.640 just separate themselves and go quietly into this. They got 0:42:09.640 --> 0:42:14.040 to play. And so guys like Tank, Lawrence, Dron Bland, Uh, 0:42:14.239 --> 0:42:17.000 Stephan Gilmour, those You had a lot of guys that 0:42:17.120 --> 0:42:20.920 let you down in that game. It wasn't just shikhs. 0:42:20.920 --> 0:42:22.560 So that's what I'm saying. So when you go back 0:42:22.600 --> 0:42:24.920 and you point to that, don't discount the fact that 0:42:24.960 --> 0:42:27.800 this guy has forty point five sacks thirteen last season 0:42:28.040 --> 0:42:30.399 and was, oh, come on, man was on a tear 0:42:30.520 --> 0:42:33.000 in a place pace to be the defensive MVP of 0:42:33.040 --> 0:42:33.400 the league. 0:42:33.400 --> 0:42:36.720 But when they win, do we say, you know, Adron 0:42:36.760 --> 0:42:39.280 Bland had a you know, even though Parsons had eight sacks, 0:42:39.360 --> 0:42:41.439 Dron Bland did this thing too or were we all 0:42:41.440 --> 0:42:43.080 saying Buffalo. 0:42:43.880 --> 0:42:46.520 All right, I mean, you're right, well, you're right, you're. 0:42:46.400 --> 0:42:49.439 Right that the criticism against the Cowboys was what were 0:42:49.440 --> 0:42:51.399 you doing against these teams who could run the ball 0:42:51.440 --> 0:42:52.359 on you and who were good? 0:42:52.840 --> 0:42:54.759 Yeah, where did you put your starts up? 0:42:54.960 --> 0:42:57.319 That was that was said for the quarterback, I mean 0:42:57.360 --> 0:42:58.560 the whole the whole outfit. 0:42:58.800 --> 0:43:01.560 And that's where the that's where a whole argument about 0:43:01.560 --> 0:43:05.400 playing him at linebacker versus defensive end comes into play, 0:43:05.760 --> 0:43:07.719 because that's the way the teams have schemed it up 0:43:07.960 --> 0:43:10.160 versus Michael and he has to be tougher to that 0:43:10.239 --> 0:43:12.520 degree this season more than ever. 0:43:12.640 --> 0:43:16.440 We're not doubting his talent. We're not doubting he is 0:43:16.480 --> 0:43:18.759 one of the great players in the league. What we 0:43:18.800 --> 0:43:23.040 are saying is, hey, man, when these playoff games are here, 0:43:23.120 --> 0:43:26.400 when these big games are here right now, you're not 0:43:26.520 --> 0:43:29.880 coming up with enough, and you have to come up 0:43:29.920 --> 0:43:32.560 with more, because that's what the great ones do. And 0:43:32.800 --> 0:43:35.160 I am one of those who refuses to even think 0:43:35.200 --> 0:43:37.120 and talk about him in the class of Lawrence Taylor 0:43:37.120 --> 0:43:39.640 because I just think Lawrence Taylor's out there. Okay, When 0:43:39.640 --> 0:43:41.919 I think about the best defensive players in the game. 0:43:42.200 --> 0:43:44.960 It's gonna be Lawrence Taylor's joke. You know, linebackers, spies, 0:43:45.040 --> 0:43:46.640 Joe Green, these dudes. 0:43:46.760 --> 0:43:49.600 When you turn on the tape, man, they were tossing 0:43:49.640 --> 0:43:52.560 folks and when the biggest moments the Super Bowl, just 0:43:52.600 --> 0:43:56.040 tossing people. Man, you gotta get there. You can't just 0:43:56.160 --> 0:43:57.799 keep talking about it. You gotta get. 0:43:57.880 --> 0:44:02.359 Michael Parsons is leaving left tackles in his Come on, man, 0:44:02.600 --> 0:44:05.479 you see how this guy is running by people. Don't 0:44:06.080 --> 0:44:08.680 You're taking isolated games and you're saying, look, this is 0:44:08.680 --> 0:44:10.200 a game you didn't show up in. But you're not 0:44:10.239 --> 0:44:12.440 talking about the games where he had two sacks. You're 0:44:12.480 --> 0:44:17.040 not talking about the game. Come on, mane that's what 0:44:17.080 --> 0:44:17.480 I'm saying. 0:44:17.600 --> 0:44:19.680 That's easy to do, that's easy to do. 0:44:19.760 --> 0:44:23.200 But you're not gonna discount Michael. You but you're not 0:44:23.200 --> 0:44:24.480 gonna do it. I'm not gonna let you do it. 0:44:24.800 --> 0:44:27.200 Go ahead' gonna let you have that cake. I'm gonna 0:44:27.200 --> 0:44:31.960 cut it too. Hey, I just cake, but that cake, yeah, 0:44:32.000 --> 0:44:37.240 put it on me. Though I don't know fun stuff, 0:44:40.239 --> 0:44:41.080 knew he would. 0:44:46.600 --> 0:44:49.239 Fun. Thank you checking players right here. Dallas Cowboy dot 0:44:49.239 --> 0:44:49.920 com ready. 0:44:50.280 --> 0:44:53.160 This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:44:53.200 --> 0:44:55.239 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.