1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: He needs to keep his promises. You don't know what's 2 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:05,320 Speaker 1: true anymore. It hurts me to see people burning the flyer. 3 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 1: Race relations that I just saw, like the politics unbelievable. 4 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 1: It's what you've been waiting for all day. America now, 5 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:17,279 Speaker 1: Buck Sexton with America now joined the conversation called Buck 6 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 1: toll free at eight four four nine hundred. Buck. That's 7 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: eight four four nine hundred to eight to five. Sharp mind, 8 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 1: strong voice, Buck Sexton. This is not how you win, Republicans. 9 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 1: It is not how you win. Jeff Sessions just little 10 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: over what an hour or two ago, recute, sorry, not 11 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:46,559 Speaker 1: recused himself. Here's how it's gonna go though. So you've 12 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 1: got the Attorney General of the United States. Just as 13 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: a quick review. I know a lot of you have 14 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: probably already seen or heard this, but just in case, 15 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: I got to bring everybody here in the Hut, in 16 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: the Freedom Hut, up to speed and then we will slice, 17 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: dice the fake news and get into the real analysis 18 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:05,960 Speaker 1: and what all of this means. So, Jeff Sessions is 19 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:09,479 Speaker 1: the Attorney General United States, and he is a part 20 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 1: of the Trump administration, which means that he has a 21 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 1: tremendous target on him, for the mainstream media, for the left, 22 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: and there is, as I mentioned to you last night, 23 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 1: a need, a desire, and I think I wouldn't call 24 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: it a conspiracy necessarily, but an effort, a concerted effort 25 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,319 Speaker 1: to keep Russia and Trump ties to Russia in the headlines. 26 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 1: This is what they are insisting on doing. This is 27 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 1: the media's plan of attack against the administration. I said 28 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: to you last night on this show. Every week there'll 29 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: be a new Russia story, even if it's not that interesting. 30 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 1: They just have to keep Russia in the headlines because 31 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: that is the tip of the spear for their efforts 32 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: against the against the administration. It's the thin end of 33 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: the wedge. That's how they can bring in all this 34 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: other stuff about the conspiracy and all the terrible things 35 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 1: that Trump did with Russia to defeat poor Hillary also 36 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 1: sad in the election. So they've been asking all of 37 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 1: these various nominees about for the further cabinet positions, like 38 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: Jeff Sessions. They've been asking them, well, what do you 39 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: know about Russia? What happened with you in Russia? Um? 40 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 1: And getting them on record. Here is how Senator al 41 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: Franquin al Frankin questioned Jeff Sessions when they were going 42 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 1: through the whole confirmation process fifty seven. Please these documents 43 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:48,239 Speaker 1: also allegedly stay a quote, there was a continuing exchange 44 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: of information during the campaign between Trump surrogates and intermediaries 45 00:02:55,639 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: for the Russian government. Again, I'm telling you this is 46 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 1: it's coming out. So and if there is any evidence 47 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:09,679 Speaker 1: that anyone affiliated with the Trump campaign communicated with the 48 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:13,079 Speaker 1: Russian government in the course of this campaign, what will 49 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: you do? Center Frankin. I'm not aware of any of 50 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:22,920 Speaker 1: those activities. I have been called a surrogate at a 51 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: time or two in that campaign, and I didn't not 52 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:29,519 Speaker 1: have communications with the Russians. Um, and I'm unable to 53 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: comment on it. Then it comes out because the media 54 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 1: has sources inside the intelligence community, I think inside the 55 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: d o J. I know, by the way, it is 56 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 1: beyond any reasonable doubt at this point that the Obama 57 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 1: administration took it upon itself to try and poison the 58 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: well for the incoming Trump administration as they were leaving office. Obama, 59 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 1: who now is supposed to be leading the Democrat Party 60 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: despite being out of power, his last official acts in 61 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: office really involved or at least his top personnel people 62 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: in the White House involved making sure that this Russia 63 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: story had as much attention and as they said, left 64 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:18,159 Speaker 1: behind a trail because they thought that the investigators would 65 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: destroy it. So they were spreading the Russia story far 66 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: and wide in the White House. This is subversion from 67 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 1: inside the White House to try and destroy the White 68 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: House that is coming into being. That's what was happening. 69 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: That's now clear as well. But so the Times has 70 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 1: these sources, other media how these sources saying that, well, 71 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 1: of course there are these ties to Russia that we 72 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: have to examine. There's this investigation going on. But with Sessions, 73 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: it turns out he had two meetings with the Russian 74 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: ambassador Kislyak who is best known for being the individual 75 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 1: on the phone with Mike Flynn. So Kisliak led to 76 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 1: the Flynn resignation. Although we were told that that was 77 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:04,719 Speaker 1: a resignation because of lack of trust at the top 78 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 1: bridges of the administration. Flynn lied to Pence. That's why 79 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 1: he had to resign, not because of anything wrong. And 80 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:16,039 Speaker 1: the more you think about this, I should note that 81 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:20,359 Speaker 1: a soon to be National security advisor would have normal 82 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 1: phone contact with the ambassadors of a whole bunch of countries, 83 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: but especially important countries that aren't necessarily close friends Rush 84 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:33,840 Speaker 1: China go down the list. That's completely normal and in 85 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:37,039 Speaker 1: the course of his duties, but he had to resign 86 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: because he lied. Depends. So Kiziliak and the former National 87 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:48,599 Speaker 1: Security Advisor Mike Flynn leads to a senior resignation, and 88 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:54,160 Speaker 1: now Kisliak and Sessions leads to a recusal, not a resignation. 89 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 1: But I want to go on the record right now 90 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 1: and tell you that it is recusal. They were demanding 91 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: last night. It will be resignation. They are demanding tomorrow, 92 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 1: and it will be prosecution. They will be demanding next week. 93 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:11,919 Speaker 1: This is just feeding meat to the media piranhas. It 94 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 1: will only attract more bites. This does not make them 95 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: go away. Once again, the Democrats have tricked the Republicans 96 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 1: into thinking that acts of good faith and fair play 97 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 1: will earn their respect and their gratitude, maybe in gender 98 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: some sense of bipartisan bipartisanship. Nonsense, hogwash, bologny. This is 99 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 1: the game plan. They're going to use the courts and 100 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: the media and the bureaucracy to hobble and wound and 101 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:48,599 Speaker 1: eventually destroy the administration if they can. I've said to 102 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 1: you before, they don't want to oppose. They don't want 103 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 1: to just oppose the agenda. They want Trump destroyed. They 104 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:59,160 Speaker 1: want his people to have their lives ruined, and they 105 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 1: want them in ackles. They want them imprisoned if possible. 106 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: That's the plan. That's what they are trying to bring 107 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: into being with all this stuff about Russia and all 108 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 1: the trader and treason. I've played audio for you of 109 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: mainstream news anchors getting paid millions of dollars a year. 110 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: It's like, well, it isn't Trump guilty of treason? No, no, Trump, 111 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 1: there's no evidence that Trump is guilty of treason. But 112 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: interesting that you go on TV and say that, and 113 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 1: that's considered normal or okay in some places. The president 114 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: United State, it's guilty of treason. Wow, But here we are. 115 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: It's like we never learn Republicans, we never learned. We 116 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 1: won the election, and now it looks like they don't 117 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 1: want to win. While they have power, they don't want 118 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: to actually do what they're supposed to do. We have 119 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: Sessions recusing himself. Play that clip. I've said this quote. 120 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: I have now decided to accuse myself from any existing 121 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: our future investigations of any matter relating in any way 122 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: to the campaigns for President of the United States. I 123 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 1: went on to say, this announcement should not be interpreted 124 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: as confirmation of the existence of any investigation or suggestive 125 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: of the scope of any such such investigation mcause we 126 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: in the Department of Justice resist confirming or denying the 127 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: very existence of investigation. So he's recused himself. Did Eric 128 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: Holder recuse himself from anything involving the Obama administration? Anything 129 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: come to mind? Better question? Did his follow on Attorney 130 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: General Lauretta Lynch when she met with Bill Clinton on 131 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 1: the tarmac right before the DJ was deciding what to 132 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 1: do about Hillary's email server, which, as you can read 133 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:55,839 Speaker 1: the law yourself, don't always think, and don't think at all, actually, 134 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 1: and I'm sure many of you don't that you need 135 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 1: to be a lawyer to understand this stuff. Lawyers want 136 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: you to believe that there's some magic to what they do. 137 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 1: It's really just reading and spending a lot of time 138 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: sitting in a chair and reading and sending people large 139 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 1: bills for your time. That's what being a lawyer mostly is. 140 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 1: Not that I've ever been a lawyer. But that's what 141 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 1: I'm told, and I've dealt with them. Okay, so you 142 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 1: can read it all yourself and see that Hillary was 143 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 1: in violation. Hillary was in violation of the federal statute 144 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 1: on But the point here being Lauretta Lynch did not 145 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 1: recuse herself from that. Remember, it's the appearance of impropriety 146 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: that's supposed to lead to a recusal. How could anyone 147 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 1: argue that there wasn't at least an appearance of impropriety there. 148 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 1: I just want to know. But you'll notice the difference Democrats, 149 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 1: as much as I sit here night after night and 150 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 1: go through all of their bad ideas and their temper 151 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 1: tantrums and the destruction they wreak on the country, Democrats 152 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 1: like to win, and they'll play dirty and they'll do 153 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: whatever they have to do. But they circle the wagons, 154 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 1: they take hair of their own, and they have a 155 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: discipline that seems to be lacking on Republicans. Now, I 156 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: know what a lot of you would probably say at 157 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: this point, and it's a fair one. It's a fair point. 158 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 1: It's it's just a recusal. Buck, He's not going to 159 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: be involved in the investigations of Trump Russia ties, all right, 160 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:18,439 Speaker 1: what would have happened if he didn't refuse himself? They 161 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: would just keep whining about this. What's going to happen 162 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: now they has recused himself. Do any of you think 163 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: for one second this is going to lead to less 164 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 1: wild speculation about how the commander in chief is a 165 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 1: traitor to his country. I think you all know the 166 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 1: answer to that. Any of you think that there will 167 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:38,439 Speaker 1: be some goodwill that this creates between Democrats and Republicans, 168 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: they'll say, okay, Republicans are willing to police their own 169 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 1: of course not. They see this as an opening. They 170 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: see this as weakness, as a wound that they can 171 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:51,439 Speaker 1: expand they can rub salt in it. They can make 172 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: it worse and fester. Last night it was recusal. Today 173 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 1: it's sorry. Tomorrow it will be resignation. In the next week, 174 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 1: it will be prosecution. And this is a voluntary act 175 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: of accountability that will be met with behind closed doors 176 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 1: cheers and sneers from Democrats who realize that this is 177 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: just feeding the Beast's not going to stop anything. What 178 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 1: did Sessions really do here? Yes, you can get into 179 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: the interpretation of this. You can get into uh, well, 180 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: people who are saying that he perjured himself have zero 181 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: understanding of the law. Perjury for obvious reasons has to 182 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: be a a black and white case of lying under 183 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 1: oath about a material issue, So it can't. It's not perjury. 184 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: For example, if someone says the night your wife was murdered, sir, 185 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 1: where were you and you turn to the judge and 186 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 1: you say, Judge, I have to go to the bathroom, 187 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:52,559 Speaker 1: and that's your response. That's obviously not perjury, even though 188 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 1: you haven't answered the question. You didn't give an answer 189 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: to the question. It's not perjury to say something that 190 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 1: you think is an ast answer to a question and 191 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 1: turns out to be false. Even perjury has to be 192 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 1: lying with intent. It has to be willful. And I 193 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 1: do not believe any honest person could hear the exchange 194 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 1: between Sessions and Frankin or read his response his written 195 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: response to Senator Leahy, who is among the among the 196 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: pantheon of blowhards, lay is very high in the list. Um, 197 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:32,839 Speaker 1: but you read his response and there's no way you 198 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 1: come away from that saying to yourself, well, clearly Sessions 199 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 1: was trying and lie about what I might add he 200 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: had a chance meeting next to a chance meeting at 201 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 1: a think tank gathering on the sidelines with a lot 202 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 1: of ambassadors. And he also then had one as as 203 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 1: a member of the Senator Armed Services Committee, had to 204 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: sit down in his office with Kissi Lak, he said, 205 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 1: on unrelated issues. But this is all part of the game. 206 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 1: This is the valorie playing playbook that they used. Remember that. Oh, 207 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 1: they turned the administration upside down. They put the administration 208 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: on trial for the Iraq War, and they did it 209 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 1: by destroying a man who did nothing wrong, Scooter Lewis 210 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 1: Libby and the special prosecutor, which is what the Democrats 211 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 1: are demanding. Now, Fitzgerald knew that it was a scalpunting expedition. 212 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: Knew it, and he was willing to play along. Good 213 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: way to get your name out there with all the 214 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 1: prominent Democrats who will later on then of course hire you, 215 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: give you a great job at a very fancy law firm, 216 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: seven figure plus salary, but you got to do your 217 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 1: part for the Democrat Party and take out a senior 218 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 1: Republican target they were hoping for Cheney. That whole investigation 219 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 1: ended up giving you nothing other than a perjury prosecution 220 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 1: that's all. They could come up with a prosecution for 221 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 1: a perjury that did not even involve a name being 222 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 1: leaked that was protected under the Covert or the Identities 223 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 1: Protection Act. They just got them on process. Part of 224 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 1: the problem that we're gonna have to face down with 225 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 1: this opposition to everything Trump is doing all of his people, 226 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 1: is that Democrats love process. They love to bog you 227 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 1: down in these things. They like to engage in law fair, 228 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 1: They like to make everything a legal matter. They like 229 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 1: to hold criminal sanctions for non criminal behavior over the 230 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: heads of their political enemies. They want to criminalize politics. 231 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 1: Don't think for a second they're just going to stop 232 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 1: at sessions recusal or even his resignation. They want to 233 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 1: send him to prison if they can. They might try 234 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 1: the same thing with Michael Flynn. This is how they 235 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 1: play the game. Meanwhile, what are Republicans doing? Where should 236 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: have an investigation? Well, I've got an idea. Let's investigate. 237 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: Let's just you know, let's get to the bottom of 238 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 1: let's get to the facts. Jean McCain wants there gona 239 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 1: be an investigation too. Not a good idea, everybody, but 240 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 1: I guess it's gonna happen, We'll go into a break, 241 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 1: will be right back now. I don't want to seem conspiratorial, 242 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: although maybe I shouldn't hesitate because media is not hesitating. 243 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 1: They're they're pushing the most grand conspiracy imaginable. What would 244 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: you have said to me if I had told you? 245 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 1: What would you have said if I told you a 246 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: year ago that mainstream news outlets would be suggesting that 247 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 1: there was illegal collusion and treason between a Republican presidential 248 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 1: campaign and the Russian government to throw an election because 249 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 1: the Russians had compromising material on the presidential Canada, You'd say, buck, 250 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 1: great plot for a spy espionage thriller, a novel, you know, 251 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 1: Tom Clancy style. But you wouldn't have taken it seriously. 252 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 1: And yet here we are. I am completely open to 253 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 1: dealing with that and the calls for justice and accountability 254 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 1: that are currently being made. I just would like one 255 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: bit of evidence, one piece of evidence that's not well. 256 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: There's a classified transcript that tells us that there was 257 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 1: a contact between this person and that person, but we 258 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 1: don't get to know what was said. We also are 259 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 1: allowed to know about private phone conversations now via top 260 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: secret intercepts is that how this works, is that how 261 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 1: the game is played in d C. Now, we we 262 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 1: should have known by the way. There's a part of 263 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 1: me that feels like we should have figured out sooner 264 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: that the Obama administration as soon as Hillary lost on 265 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 1: the way out, they were going to take this approach 266 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 1: and do everything that they possibly could to make life 267 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 1: impossible for the new administration, to make their agenda impossible 268 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 1: to implement. The attitude of the Democrats. I think this 269 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: is quite clear too many of us now is if 270 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: Hillary can't have the presidency, they'll burn the whole thing down. 271 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 1: They used to talk about the revered institutions of our 272 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 1: democracy and me I mean used to. I'm talking about 273 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 1: a few months ago, and then Hillary lost and all 274 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:06,640 Speaker 1: of a sudden, it was anything goes, the gloves come off, 275 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:10,920 Speaker 1: no holds barred, and that's where we are. We are 276 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 1: in the dirtiest political environment, and the news cycle is 277 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: a reflection of this, and certainly in my lifetime, I've 278 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 1: never seen anything like this, and I don't think anybody has. 279 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:28,159 Speaker 1: Because there is a revolt going on. People who have obligations, 280 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 1: legal obligations, professional, ethical obligations to do their jobs within 281 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:37,119 Speaker 1: the United States government are deciding on their own that 282 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 1: there are more important thing, that opposing Trump is more 283 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 1: important than their oath. That's where we currently are. I 284 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: also have to say that this seems to me to 285 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 1: be curious timing Trump's Trump gives a speech, the media 286 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:55,880 Speaker 1: spends one day saying the speeches is good, and then 287 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 1: on the other side, all of a sudden, you have 288 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: all this Russia information coming out, information that has been 289 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:08,399 Speaker 1: known for a while. They hold this back. It is 290 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 1: a concerted effort, and a concerted effort involving information meant 291 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 1: to undermine the duly elected government of the American people. 292 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:19,239 Speaker 1: Can we call that a conspiracy? A conspiracy is a 293 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 1: real thing. Not all conspiracies involve anxious, paranoid people. In 294 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 1: this case, we're worried that they're after us. Because they're 295 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 1: after us, it seems to me, but a little fun 296 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:34,919 Speaker 1: side note here. They're so desperate to pile onto this 297 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: anti Trump, Russia, anti Sessions nonsense that you've got Claire 298 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 1: McCaskill tweeting out OI today that she's been on the 299 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 1: She's a senator, you know, Claire McCaskill. She's been on 300 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 1: the Armed Services Committee for ten years, no caller meeting 301 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 1: with Russian ambassador ever, ambassador's call members of Foreign Relations. 302 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 1: It's funny because she doesn't know her on Twitter account, 303 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 1: because a couple of years before that, Claire McCaskill on 304 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 1: Twitter off to meeting with Russian ambassador, upset about the arbitrary, 305 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 1: cruel decision to end all US adoptions. So you've got 306 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: U S senators willing to lie just so they can 307 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 1: have their two cents thrown in the middle of the 308 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: table of Let's take care of Sessions. Let's get him prosecuted, 309 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 1: Let's get him out of office. I'm telling you, these 310 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 1: people fight dirty. How many more times do we have 311 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: to see it? We've got a lot more teams. Stay 312 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:29,920 Speaker 1: with me, Buck Sexton, with America now where there is 313 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 1: always something to talk about, where you can trade opinions 314 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: with Buck. I'm not sure you'll win, though. Just call 315 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:38,880 Speaker 1: eight four four nine hundred Buck. That's eight four four 316 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 1: nine hundred two eight to five. All right, Buck, you're 317 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:47,639 Speaker 1: on welcome back team. Buck. Eight four four nine two 318 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 1: eight to five. I want to ask you, what do 319 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 1: you think about the Sessions recusals not a resignation. He's 320 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:56,640 Speaker 1: just saying he's not going to get involved in investigations 321 00:19:56,720 --> 00:20:00,040 Speaker 1: of the administration's ties to Russia or any investigation it 322 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 1: is about the administration. He said. He has said that 323 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:09,439 Speaker 1: this was you know, he's okay with with where this is. 324 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 1: And uh, he said in retrospect he should have slowed down. 325 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 1: Here's what Session said about it. Playcliffe, please, Senator Franklin's question. 326 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:23,439 Speaker 1: Were you just just not thinking of the meeting with 327 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 1: the Russian ambassador or did you not consider it relative? Um? 328 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: I was taken aback a little bit about this brand 329 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:36,640 Speaker 1: new information, this allegation that surrogates and I had been 330 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 1: called a surrogate or Donald Trump had been meeting continuously 331 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:48,159 Speaker 1: with Russian officials. Uh. And uh, that's what I struck 332 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 1: me very hard. And that's what I focused my answer on. 333 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 1: And uh, and retrospect, if I should have slowed down 334 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 1: and said, but I did meet one Russian official a 335 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 1: couple of times, that would be the ambassador, thank you. 336 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 1: So he says that he would have done it a 337 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 1: little bit differently. I still think that people are making 338 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 1: a much wow. Lines are lightening up like a Christmas 339 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 1: tree in here. It's how I like it. Um. But 340 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 1: I still think that there they're giving ground here, and 341 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 1: it's just gonna get worse. It is just going to 342 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 1: get work. Remember with Loretta Lynch, what we have in 343 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 1: the media, the different outlets that are our right of 344 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 1: center or even just honest, We're like, well, that's pretty terrible. 345 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,919 Speaker 1: You can't sit down with the husband of a person 346 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 1: that's being investigated for possible federal criminal charges, who is 347 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:39,159 Speaker 1: the nominee of a major political party for an election 348 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: that is on. You cannot sit and have a private 349 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:43,640 Speaker 1: meeting where you tell your security detail to stay outside 350 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 1: the plane days before a public and no, you cannot 351 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:49,400 Speaker 1: do that days before the public announced. But you can't. 352 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:53,880 Speaker 1: But she did, and they did, and that's how it happened. 353 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 1: We said, no, you can't. And you know what their 354 00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 1: response was, you know, the Democrats response was what are 355 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 1: you gonna do about it? They were right, well, I 356 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: guess what we're gonna do about it was defeat their nominee. 357 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: Oh it burns, it burns, Yes it does. But that 358 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:16,120 Speaker 1: is what happened. So we should have no illusions whatsoever 359 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 1: that by taking this minor, this miners step aside from 360 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 1: the investigation, I mean, is now the Deputy Attorney general 361 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:30,359 Speaker 1: is gonna run it. Okay. Also, all the people that 362 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,400 Speaker 1: are just make a note of this. Everyone that's screaming 363 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,239 Speaker 1: really loudly about how we need an investigation, we need 364 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 1: an investigation. They when the investigation is over, I promise 365 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:44,239 Speaker 1: you they when it doesn't show any grand conspiracy with 366 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:49,679 Speaker 1: the Kremlin, you know, running Jeff Sessions as a Russian agent. 367 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 1: When that's not what the end results in the investigation. 368 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:54,400 Speaker 1: You know what's gonna happen with these people that say 369 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 1: all they want is the truth. I'm gonna say the 370 00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:00,959 Speaker 1: investigation was tainted, say that they don't except the results, 371 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 1: it was politicized, and then they'll just talk about it 372 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 1: for another year or two and hope that it tips 373 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 1: the tables in favor of Democrats in the next election. 374 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:12,919 Speaker 1: That's the plan, all right. Everyone wants to get on 375 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,399 Speaker 1: this topic. And I understand why we have butch in 376 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 1: North Carolina w p T I welcome to the Freedom 377 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:23,400 Speaker 1: hut sir, Hey are you to I'm good, I'm good, 378 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 1: Thank you for calling in. Listen. That is that really 379 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 1: frost my cake? The most is the fact after the 380 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: allegation of that this wonderful man GF station coming up. 381 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:39,880 Speaker 1: There was not There has not been a single Republican 382 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 1: senator or representative to come out and speaking his defense. 383 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 1: So you know, your theory of a conspiracy is pretty 384 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,640 Speaker 1: close to accurate. As far as I don't know why 385 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 1: these people on the right that we elect are so final, 386 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: it's that they keep stand up its fiefs. If somebody 387 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:07,679 Speaker 1: is honorable, sections that's just that's just absolutely tears me up. Mean, 388 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 1: if there was another conservative party to join the tomorrow 389 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 1: besides the Republicans, I would join it. And I'm not 390 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,199 Speaker 1: so sure that here in North Carolino we have the 391 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: constitutional party that I may not go up and signed 392 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 1: up for you because the Republicans, you know, they kept 393 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:27,879 Speaker 1: begging us and begging us to give up, give up 394 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 1: this House. I agree, they made a lot of promises. Butch, 395 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 1: and right now I'm seeing I'm seeing lack of backbone. 396 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,679 Speaker 1: I'm seeing weak spines among Republicans left and right, and 397 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 1: that's not making me happy at all. Butch in North 398 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 1: Carolina Shields High, thank you for calling in. We have 399 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 1: Tim and Mississippi w BUV welcome Tim, hey Buck, thank 400 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,160 Speaker 1: you very much. Thank you. Listen, a couple of things, 401 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,400 Speaker 1: and and and North Carolina. There was absolutely right, Uh, 402 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 1: crim a recovering Republican because they're nutless. They are absolutely 403 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,200 Speaker 1: they will not stand up for anything. And by the way, 404 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 1: you do a great John McClaine. That it was really 405 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 1: that was really, really good. But but here's what I 406 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 1: want to see happen. First of all, um, you know, 407 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 1: the as you said just a minute ago. You know, 408 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,399 Speaker 1: the Democrats, they say, what are you gonna do about it? 409 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: That's exactly That's the thing that I'm I'm I'm attracted 410 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 1: to Trump for is that's exactly what the Republicans ought 411 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 1: to say, is what are you gonna do about it? 412 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,400 Speaker 1: And and Sessions accusing himself, Wow, he's I think that's 413 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 1: absolutely wrong. He should have told him just to stuff it. 414 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,400 Speaker 1: But while he's recused, I hope to God that he's 415 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,920 Speaker 1: out there investigating Hillary Clinton, that he's out there investigating 416 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,679 Speaker 1: what I am am in my in my mind, I 417 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:43,880 Speaker 1: am sure that that the Benghazi, the whole fiasco, there 418 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 1: was probably an illegal transfer of weapons to people that 419 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,400 Speaker 1: we weren't supposed to be transferring weapons to. I want 420 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 1: somebody to get to the bottom of fast and furious. 421 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 1: I mean, but the Republicans, they I think dominated me 422 00:25:58,160 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 1: to call off your train of thought. I'm sorry I 423 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 1: had to delay. There was second I just want to 424 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,879 Speaker 1: say your point about Benghazi. It's it's worth noting that, 425 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 1: according to The New York Times own reporting on the 426 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 1: previous administration, on what the Barack Obama White House was doing, 427 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 1: what they were up to, they were thinking of, Oh, 428 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 1: we need to change records or we need to influence 429 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,879 Speaker 1: the information that is left behind for the next administration 430 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,400 Speaker 1: because they didn't trust the next administration. Well, that also 431 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 1: works the other way. Are we are we really supposed 432 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:31,639 Speaker 1: to believe that the Trump administration is going to have 433 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 1: access uh to all of the files and the information 434 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,159 Speaker 1: on the high side, the classified side, about what the 435 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 1: White House did the night of Benghazi, about what their 436 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 1: communications team was doing for those Sunday shows. Uh. They 437 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 1: were clearly thinking about this. This isn't something that just 438 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,159 Speaker 1: happened out of nowhere. They wanted the Russia story all 439 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 1: over the place. I bet they wanted to make sure 440 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,920 Speaker 1: there are other stories that they were There was not 441 00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 1: much of a trace left behind them that much, I 442 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 1: would wager. I can't prove it, but they don't have 443 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 1: to prove anything, it seems these days, So why can't 444 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,399 Speaker 1: I say some stuff? You know that's exactly right? But 445 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 1: but those are those are three. I mean they're talking 446 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,200 Speaker 1: about wanting to put Sessions in jail or anybody in 447 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:17,120 Speaker 1: Trump administration. Let's start with Winch and Holder and Barack Obama. 448 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:21,680 Speaker 1: He the stuff that that he did that obviously he 449 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 1: didn't do anything that's provably illegal at this point. But 450 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 1: they get onto Sessions, you know, session line, he committed perjury. 451 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 1: And I understand that perjury only has to do with 452 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 1: you know, if you're under oath or if you're you're 453 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,119 Speaker 1: talking with law enforcement, but do the words. If you 454 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,439 Speaker 1: like your doctor, you can keep your doc. Yeah, well 455 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,159 Speaker 1: that's that's the policy. The policy Lizer or beyond or 456 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,639 Speaker 1: beyond doubt. But Tim, Mississippi, thank you very much for 457 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 1: calling in appreciate it. Shields High. We also have Tom 458 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 1: in North Carolina w p T I. What's up, Tom? Hey, 459 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 1: I have another conspiracy theory for you. Would Russia's be 460 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,920 Speaker 1: interested in getting rid of Donald Trump as well? I 461 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 1: mean they basically walked over Obama the whole time. Yeah, 462 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 1: well this is part of this is part of why 463 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 1: I don't buy into this, Tom because everyone keeps saying, oh, 464 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,440 Speaker 1: Trump is in Russia's pocket. First of all, we've always 465 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 1: been told that Trump is erratic, you can't trust him, 466 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:16,679 Speaker 1: he doesn't he doesn't know what he's gonna do. Nobody 467 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,160 Speaker 1: knows what he's gonna do. That's not who the Russians 468 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 1: would want to have an office, somebody that they want, 469 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,920 Speaker 1: somebody who's weak. They want that the idea that they're 470 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: going to control him, And how are they going to 471 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 1: control him? By the way, well, what are they gonna do. 472 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 1: They're gonna ruin his reputation you have, I mean, I'm 473 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 1: probably gonna get into this later in the show. You 474 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 1: have the Washington Post citing Hitler posting about crimes for 475 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 1: the communities that he was trying to exterminate and directly 476 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: linking that to Donald Trump wanting people to know how 477 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 1: many crimes are committed by illegal aliens in this country. Uh, 478 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 1: they're they're they're making The Washington Post is making straight 479 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 1: up Hitler comparisons to the President of the United States, 480 00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 1: and we're supposed it's just there. It's insane. It is 481 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 1: insane what they're doing. It's it's totally beyond the pill. 482 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 1: But you know, we're supposed to believe that that Trump 483 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 1: is in Russia's pocket. I want to know what my 484 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 1: point about about the Washington Post is that how much worse, 485 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 1: how much more reputational damage can this guy suffer? What 486 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 1: could the Russians possibly have? Newspapers are calling him a Nazi, 487 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 1: straight up saying that this guy's I mean, they're not 488 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 1: using the they're not saying he is a Nazi, but 489 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 1: they're comparing him to Nazis. And that's pretty much the 490 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 1: same thing, isn't it. Oh man, it's terrible, Tom, It's crazy. 491 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 1: Here's somebody else. They should investigate what happened to this? 492 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 1: The whole thing with Nancy Pelosi uh signing up bill 493 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 1: that we're her husband invested in the company that she 494 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 1: then uh voted for a bill that made the company increases. 495 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and Congress Congress and exempted themselves from insider 496 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,719 Speaker 1: trading for years. I mean Pelosi, the land deal out 497 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:55,720 Speaker 1: in California, I know about that. With the light rail 498 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 1: near it, it gets more valuable. I mean, all these 499 00:29:58,040 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 1: probably no one ever seems to find out how the 500 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 1: Democrat politicians going to office, you know, not that rich, 501 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 1: and they come out super rich. It's like, whoa hold on. 502 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 1: I know Pelosi's husands where the money comes from, but 503 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 1: still some of that they've gotten a lot wealthier. I 504 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 1: promise you that. I promise you it hasn't been It 505 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,280 Speaker 1: has been feast, not famine in the Pelosi household ever 506 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 1: since she became a prominent member of Congress. But Tom, 507 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 1: I gotta leave it there. Tom from North Carolina, thanks 508 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 1: for calling in. We've got a lot of lines. Let 509 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 1: you know what. We'll run through some more calls after 510 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 1: this break. Team Bucks, stay with me. We are fired up, 511 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 1: we are locked in, we are loaded. I'll be right back. 512 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 1: And there's more on this Russia conspiracy that's now back 513 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 1: in the top of the headlines. You have Jared Kushner, 514 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 1: the husband of First Daughter Ivanka Trump, Donald Trump's daughter, 515 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 1: his son in law, Jared Kushner, and short short tenured 516 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,959 Speaker 1: former National Security advisor Michael Flynn met with a Russian 517 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 1: envoy in December, which the White House has come out 518 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 1: and said, this is this just this just came out? 519 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,960 Speaker 1: When was this? Yeah, this came out today too, isn't 520 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 1: it an incredible timing? President gives a speech. People say, Wow, 521 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 1: that agenda is really powerful. I'd like to see him 522 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 1: see that through. He's even taking some Democrat ideas and 523 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 1: is going to implement those two He's stealing the democrats lunch. 524 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 1: What do they offer. He's gonna do infrastructure, He's gonna 525 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 1: do paid family leave, he's gonna do manufacturing jobs, bring 526 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,520 Speaker 1: back high paying jobs in the middle class. He's doing 527 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 1: all that, he says he wants to What are Democrats offer? 528 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 1: Climate change, transgender bathrooms, funding for planned parenthood. That's that's 529 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 1: the whoo. That's what they offer you. That's really exciting stuff. Uh. Meanwhile, 530 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 1: here we are, right after the speech and all these 531 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 1: Russia stories. You remember last night I said this to you. 532 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 1: I was on this show, and I said, well, I mean, 533 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,200 Speaker 1: I host the show, so of course I wanted I 534 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 1: said to you, Uh, they're gonna keep Russia and then 535 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 1: they have to keep rushing the headlines because then the 536 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,480 Speaker 1: innuendos take care of themselves as long as it's on 537 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 1: the forefront of people's minds. So here's the New York 538 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 1: Times piece today. Kushner and Flynn met with Russian envoy 539 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 1: in December White House as so the White House is 540 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 1: admitting to this, and you read this piece and they're 541 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 1: telling you all about this and how Kisliak the Russian 542 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 1: ambassador with Flynn, Flynn his inner circle, and Kushner is 543 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 1: a senior advisor and is being given, as has been 544 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 1: reported elsewhere, a lot of responsibility for foreign policy. It's 545 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 1: been said that he may be the special envoy for 546 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 1: the Arab Israeli peace process. And there's all. They have 547 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 1: big plans for Mr Kushner. Um, who I've actually met, 548 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 1: a nice guy. I met him a long time ago, 549 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 1: before anybody thought he was going to be a one 550 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 1: man State department anyway. Uh, And here we are. They're 551 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 1: going into these details in this story in the New 552 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,480 Speaker 1: York Times and if you go, let me let me 553 00:32:55,560 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 1: count one, two, three, four, five, six paragraphs in Times 554 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:05,800 Speaker 1: writes this, it is common and not improper for transition 555 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 1: officials to meet with foreign officials. Okay, so they're writing 556 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 1: a whole piece on how Flynn and uh Kushner met 557 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 1: with the Russian ambassador. You're supposed to the whole the 558 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 1: insinuation here, the alec the subtle allegation. It's not even 559 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 1: really that subtle. Is there something amiss? This is wrong, 560 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 1: this is bad. They're doing things they shouldn't be doing, 561 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 1: and then buried numerous paragraphs down to the piece it's well, 562 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,760 Speaker 1: it's it's common and not improper for transition officials to 563 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,920 Speaker 1: meet with foreign officials, just like it is common and 564 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 1: not improper for senators to meet with ambassadors from foreign 565 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 1: countries for any number of reasons. Last night I was 566 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 1: singing into all the ambassadors are never this is so strange. 567 00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 1: Why would why would Jeff Sessions ever meet with an ambassador? 568 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,240 Speaker 1: And then you hear about how for the Iran deal 569 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,560 Speaker 1: you had senators meeting with ambassadors for like from like 570 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:10,799 Speaker 1: thirty different countries, including Russia. Of course, you know they 571 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,839 Speaker 1: act like this is some country that just appears out 572 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:16,320 Speaker 1: of nowhere at all. Why are they meeting with the 573 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,320 Speaker 1: Russian ambassador all of a sudden. Russia is one of 574 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 1: the most militarily and geopolitically important countries in the world. Still, 575 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 1: it has a vast nuclear arsenal. It is a tremendously 576 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,680 Speaker 1: vast country itself, both in terms of in terms of 577 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:38,320 Speaker 1: its size and its weight and geopolitics, spans many time zones, 578 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 1: borders China, Europe, Um, and you know, the Middle East, 579 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:48,319 Speaker 1: the CAUCUSUS region. So what are they gonna do. They're 580 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,359 Speaker 1: gonna not talk to Russia at all. But you see 581 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,440 Speaker 1: they run with all these reports. They've known about this, 582 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,440 Speaker 1: but they didn't just figure this out today. We all 583 00:34:55,480 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 1: can understand that this information about sessions, about in about 584 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:04,280 Speaker 1: all about Kushner. They didn't just stumble upon this twenty 585 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,799 Speaker 1: four hours after Trump gives what is effectively a State 586 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,920 Speaker 1: of the Union address and rocks the House. This is 587 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,880 Speaker 1: in an accident. This didn't just happen. They were holding 588 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:17,440 Speaker 1: this for maximum effect. Once again, like we saw with 589 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,480 Speaker 1: the audio tape on the bus and the whole grab 590 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:24,560 Speaker 1: her and all that stuff. They had that news media 591 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:26,880 Speaker 1: had that for they held it until right before the 592 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 1: We know that they do this, and then they pretend 593 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,200 Speaker 1: that they're just telling us the facts. Then they pretend 594 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,680 Speaker 1: that they're not fake news. Well, if you are manipulating 595 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:39,960 Speaker 1: the timing of the revelation of information, guess what you 596 00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 1: are a partisan, You are a hack, and that is 597 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:46,080 Speaker 1: its own form of fake news. That's what's going on here. 598 00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,400 Speaker 1: We should all see it for what it is, and 599 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:54,719 Speaker 1: I think all of you do. But if enough Americans 600 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 1: keep reading these news stories that just are all meant 601 00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:04,279 Speaker 1: to create this theory based on nothing that they're saying 602 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,640 Speaker 1: that it's normal to speak to. Now we see the 603 00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,080 Speaker 1: Jeff Sessions meeting with the Russians, not with no problem 604 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,399 Speaker 1: with that, nothing weird about that. Should he have said, yeah, 605 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,920 Speaker 1: I had two brief talks with Russians with the Russian 606 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,759 Speaker 1: ambassador last year, but not as a campaign circuit or not, 607 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:20,080 Speaker 1: but the campaign, Yeah, that would have been a better 608 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:23,239 Speaker 1: thing to say. Sure, but Flynn with the phone, call 609 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,800 Speaker 1: me when you really drill down into this flynda do 610 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:31,080 Speaker 1: anything wrong. There's nothing wrong, the Logan Act, this is all. 611 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,920 Speaker 1: This is all just desperation from the Democrats, but unfortunately 612 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:40,120 Speaker 1: their desperation is starting to pay dividends. But it's there's 613 00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:45,840 Speaker 1: no there there. Flynn did nothing wrong, Sessions did nothing wrong. 614 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,920 Speaker 1: There's no evidence that Trump betrayed or would betray or 615 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:54,520 Speaker 1: has betrayed his country for Russia. Honestly, I don't think 616 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,680 Speaker 1: Trump has thought that much about Russia until very recently. 617 00:36:58,280 --> 00:36:59,680 Speaker 1: I think he's got a lot of other things on 618 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:05,560 Speaker 1: his mind. Um. So here we are, we see them that, 619 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,040 Speaker 1: we see this narrative, We see the media laid bear 620 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,040 Speaker 1: and it's going to affect our judgment. It should affect 621 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:14,160 Speaker 1: our judgment everything else they say about this administration because 622 00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:19,000 Speaker 1: they're pursuing an agenda. This is not just the normal 623 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:24,080 Speaker 1: course of reporting. There is a conspiracy here. There is 624 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:29,680 Speaker 1: definitely a conspiracy at work. But it's not about Trump 625 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:34,400 Speaker 1: advisors and affiliates and surrogates in back rooms meeting with 626 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:38,680 Speaker 1: the Russians. The conspiracy is between the Democrat Party and 627 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:43,480 Speaker 1: the media to take down the Trump administration. That is 628 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:47,680 Speaker 1: the conspiracy, my friends, turning ourselves to something else here. 629 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,680 Speaker 1: The things that matter most in your day to day 630 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,160 Speaker 1: life are too important to trust to just anyone. That's 631 00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:59,839 Speaker 1: that's why, that's why he's here. Bud Seston with America Now, 632 00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:05,440 Speaker 1: sharp mind, strong voice, but Sexton team Buck, welcome back. 633 00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,920 Speaker 1: I know the lines. It's like a Freedom Hunt telethon 634 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,200 Speaker 1: in here. We got all the lines lit up. We'll 635 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,120 Speaker 1: make some space. Will take your calls in a bit. 636 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:14,920 Speaker 1: I know a lot. You want to weigh in on 637 00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:19,600 Speaker 1: the Sessions recusal, we will. We will hit that topic. Uh, 638 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:21,799 Speaker 1: we will get to that topic again if you want 639 00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,040 Speaker 1: to talk about that. But we'd have a guest now 640 00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,080 Speaker 1: on something else that matters a lot to all of us. 641 00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,920 Speaker 1: That's not breaking news from this afternoon, like sessions recusal, 642 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:32,160 Speaker 1: but it will have much longer term impact on all 643 00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,200 Speaker 1: of us. We're joined by oh Vic Roy. He is 644 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:38,440 Speaker 1: Forbes opinion editor. He's author of Transcending Obamacare and How 645 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,720 Speaker 1: Medicaid Fails the Poor. He is one of the smartest 646 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,719 Speaker 1: guys I know on the issue of healthcare. Ovig, thanks 647 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,200 Speaker 1: for calling in, Hey, buddy, good to be with you. 648 00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,160 Speaker 1: Great to have you, man. So let's let's start with 649 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,440 Speaker 1: what do we get from the address, specifically on healthcare 650 00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:57,000 Speaker 1: that we did not know before? And by the way, 651 00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,640 Speaker 1: I should say congratulations on the news show, well, thank 652 00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:03,279 Speaker 1: you us. Well, what do we know the plan that's 653 00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:08,000 Speaker 1: been put out that that was leaked last week? A 654 00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,080 Speaker 1: lot of it's pretty similar to what Paul Ryan has 655 00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,880 Speaker 1: published in his A Better Way series of plans. But 656 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,919 Speaker 1: there's one key difference, which is that this this bill 657 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,920 Speaker 1: it leaked, wasn't just an Obamacare replacement. It was also 658 00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:26,400 Speaker 1: a really bold attempt to finally reform the Medicaid program, 659 00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:30,840 Speaker 1: the first real attempt at real entitlement reform basically in 660 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:35,800 Speaker 1: the history of entitlements the United States how so Medicaid reform. 661 00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,719 Speaker 1: How yeah, so the so Medicaid has been around since 662 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,399 Speaker 1: nineteen six five, that's when lb J passed the Great 663 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:45,799 Speaker 1: Society Legislation and Medicaid. Just because sometimes this confuses people, 664 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:52,040 Speaker 1: Medicaid is the federal and state run program lower income people. 665 00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:56,800 Speaker 1: Uh not Medicare. Medicare is the program for the elderly. 666 00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,840 Speaker 1: Medicaid is the program for the poor and the disabled. 667 00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:05,080 Speaker 1: Um So, what the bill would do is it would 668 00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:08,640 Speaker 1: do a kind of a modernized version of a block grant. 669 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,360 Speaker 1: Instead of giving the states just a block grant that 670 00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,080 Speaker 1: would just grow at a set inflation rate, you know, 671 00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,440 Speaker 1: for forever, which is what a block grant would do. 672 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:19,719 Speaker 1: What this plan would do is it would basically do 673 00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,600 Speaker 1: a block grant to individuals. So let's say you had 674 00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:26,239 Speaker 1: a hundred thousand people and medicaiding your state, you'd get 675 00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:30,480 Speaker 1: a per capita block grant effectively as a state to 676 00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,800 Speaker 1: then manage that population. That's a lot more efficient of 677 00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:37,440 Speaker 1: a system because then the dollars follow the people and 678 00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:39,520 Speaker 1: not the state. Because a lot of states have gained 679 00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:41,640 Speaker 1: the system to get more money over the years, and 680 00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,120 Speaker 1: they're really supposed to get you are the author of 681 00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,080 Speaker 1: How Medicaid Fails the Poor I've mentioned before on this show. 682 00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,320 Speaker 1: I think I even spoke about it yesterday. Uh the 683 00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,960 Speaker 1: what was the Oregon study that showed that that health outcomes? 684 00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,680 Speaker 1: I I I read the stuff I do my homework. Uh, 685 00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,840 Speaker 1: that's right, that the that the Oregan study showed that 686 00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,120 Speaker 1: those with access to medicaid don't have better health outcomes 687 00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:07,120 Speaker 1: than those who do. You've written about how Medicaid fails 688 00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,480 Speaker 1: the poor. One would think, well, it's free healthcare. It 689 00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,040 Speaker 1: must be better than not having this free healthcare, So 690 00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:16,320 Speaker 1: why does it fail the poor? Yeah, that's it's incredible. 691 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,120 Speaker 1: And by the way, if people want to read How 692 00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,640 Speaker 1: Medicaid Fails the Poor, it takes about you know, you 693 00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:22,279 Speaker 1: could read in an hour. It's a pretty short book. 694 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,279 Speaker 1: I think it's like forty eight pages or something like that. 695 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,800 Speaker 1: So this is not some lengthy treat is on it. 696 00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,920 Speaker 1: Basically the problem is this, Uh, the way Medicaid was 697 00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:34,640 Speaker 1: designed at the beginning in nineteen is that it was 698 00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,759 Speaker 1: jointly run by the states and the federal government. So 699 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:41,160 Speaker 1: just like having two quarterbacks on your football team, having 700 00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:43,960 Speaker 1: two quarterbacks of an entitlement program turns out to be 701 00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,560 Speaker 1: a disaster because what ends up happening is a federal 702 00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:50,080 Speaker 1: government tried to offload costs and responsibility of the states. 703 00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,080 Speaker 1: The states tried to offload costs and responsibility of the 704 00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,800 Speaker 1: federal government and spend money they weren't supposed to spend. 705 00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,480 Speaker 1: The next thing, you know, the spending was out of control. 706 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,600 Speaker 1: But because of the way the law was designed, there 707 00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,680 Speaker 1: were no ways to cut costs. You couldn't raise premiums 708 00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,920 Speaker 1: on people enrolled and Medicaid. You couldn't raise co pays 709 00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,960 Speaker 1: on people enrolled Medicaid. You couldn't change the kinds of 710 00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:14,320 Speaker 1: things that were covered under the Medicaid insurance plan. So 711 00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,920 Speaker 1: because you couldn't do any of that, what could you do? 712 00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:21,600 Speaker 1: You could basically cut the payments you make two doctors 713 00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,840 Speaker 1: and hospitals to care for those patients. Because states governments, 714 00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,440 Speaker 1: unlike the federal federal government, can borrow money from China, Right, 715 00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:29,920 Speaker 1: You and I can't borrow money from China, buck, and 716 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,080 Speaker 1: neither can state government. State governments to balance their budgets 717 00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,799 Speaker 1: every year. So what's happened is, as Medicaid has had 718 00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:39,160 Speaker 1: these cost overruns over the year, they've only had one 719 00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,640 Speaker 1: way to balance their budgets, and that is either cut 720 00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:43,640 Speaker 1: funding for schools and roads and things like that, which 721 00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:45,879 Speaker 1: are already doing, and also to cut what they paid 722 00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,279 Speaker 1: doctors and hospitals. And one ended up happening after that. 723 00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:50,440 Speaker 1: There's a lot of doctors say, you know what, if 724 00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,160 Speaker 1: you're gonna pay me thirty cents on the dollar to 725 00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,239 Speaker 1: care for a Medicaid patient when I can make a 726 00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,120 Speaker 1: dollar on the dollar if they have private insurance, I'm 727 00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,240 Speaker 1: just not gonna see Medicaid patients. So then what happens 728 00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:03,520 Speaker 1: A lot of those patients on Medicaid, they have this 729 00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:05,880 Speaker 1: thing that says they have health insurance, but a lot 730 00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:07,920 Speaker 1: of doctors don't take it, so they have a lot 731 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:12,040 Speaker 1: of trouble getting appointments to see doctors for serious medical problems. 732 00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,320 Speaker 1: And so then what happens their Medicaid Their health outcomes 733 00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,560 Speaker 1: are really poor because they can't actually get healthcare when 734 00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:20,920 Speaker 1: they eat because nobody takes their insurance. See. I think 735 00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:24,000 Speaker 1: this is so important for everybody to hear because the 736 00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:29,320 Speaker 1: Obamacare coverage numbers are are really a lie. I'm not 737 00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:32,279 Speaker 1: gonna say they're fake news, but they talk about how Obamacare, 738 00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:35,480 Speaker 1: Obamacare has expanded coverage and they say at that, and 739 00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,040 Speaker 1: they use those terms, they say it in that way 740 00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:41,440 Speaker 1: so that people think, oh, more people have healthcare like 741 00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:43,680 Speaker 1: your health care plan you get from your job. But 742 00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,719 Speaker 1: what is it. Fourteen of the twenty million that they have, 743 00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:50,000 Speaker 1: it's all medicaid. So this is just expanding a welfare 744 00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,840 Speaker 1: program that, as you point out, is very expensive and 745 00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,759 Speaker 1: not very good and actually keeping people healthy in dealing 746 00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,600 Speaker 1: with them when they're sick. Yeah, I mean, again to 747 00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,480 Speaker 1: abuse my sports and oologies, I'm gonna sports mode today. 748 00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:03,479 Speaker 1: You know, if you had a Major League baseball player 749 00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,359 Speaker 1: here twenty one home runs, you'd be like, Okay, that's 750 00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,640 Speaker 1: pretty cool. He had twenty home runs, but it'd be 751 00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:11,160 Speaker 1: struck out five times while hitting twenty home runs. You 752 00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:13,600 Speaker 1: might not think that's so great. Same thing with these 753 00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,759 Speaker 1: coverage numbers. Now, the coverage numbers sound great if you 754 00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,600 Speaker 1: don't actually take an account the quality of access to 755 00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:23,720 Speaker 1: healthcare that you're getting for that coverage. And the media 756 00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,280 Speaker 1: when they talk about these numbers, they always conveniently ignore 757 00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,520 Speaker 1: that very important piece of this. Now, what no, so 758 00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,560 Speaker 1: that that's the medicaid component of this, And you said 759 00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,920 Speaker 1: that will be reformed, perhaps assuming that Trump and his 760 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,319 Speaker 1: team go forward with what they've already said they would 761 00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,680 Speaker 1: do at this point. But for the rest of us, 762 00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,319 Speaker 1: what is people keep talking about how we're gonna make 763 00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:47,800 Speaker 1: it healthcare free or more competitive, more choice. All of 764 00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,480 Speaker 1: that is what Donald Trump has been promising. Republicans have 765 00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,640 Speaker 1: been looking at this issue now for years. Uh, and 766 00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,480 Speaker 1: yet we can we can count on what to happen here? 767 00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:00,960 Speaker 1: What is the plan as they've told as it's been leaked, 768 00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,120 Speaker 1: I believe at the leak draft the geopople and what 769 00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,839 Speaker 1: are they going to do to Obamacare? Well, first of all, 770 00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:09,239 Speaker 1: the leak draft is uh, several weeks old town, so 771 00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,680 Speaker 1: it's quite likely that there have been significant changes to 772 00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,879 Speaker 1: the plans since that draft came out, So we can't 773 00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:19,680 Speaker 1: say for certain what the current draft holds. What do 774 00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:21,759 Speaker 1: you think is in there? What's the latest we can 775 00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,480 Speaker 1: say it's gonna do. Is they're gonna they're taking a 776 00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:28,600 Speaker 1: stab at repealing some of the key regulations in Obamacare 777 00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,600 Speaker 1: that have driven up the premiums. That's arguably the most 778 00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,000 Speaker 1: important thing they can do. It's much more important than 779 00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,640 Speaker 1: the taxing and the spending when it comes to Obamacare. 780 00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:40,200 Speaker 1: To try to roll back the regulations in Obamacare, because 781 00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,879 Speaker 1: those regulations are the key things that are making health 782 00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,759 Speaker 1: insurance so much more expensive for millions of people. So 783 00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,080 Speaker 1: they're trying to do a lot more of that than 784 00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,040 Speaker 1: was in the original bill a year ago that they 785 00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:55,200 Speaker 1: passed via reconciliation. That's that's big point number one. Big 786 00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:58,279 Speaker 1: point number two is there. They're going to have a 787 00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:02,120 Speaker 1: different system of tax credit. It's uh to help the 788 00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,279 Speaker 1: people who are uninsured get covered. So this is the 789 00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:08,680 Speaker 1: thing that's been somewhat controversial. You've heard Rand Paul and 790 00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,239 Speaker 1: Ted Cruz and some others say that they don't like 791 00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:15,000 Speaker 1: the fact that the Paul Ryan plan uses tax credits 792 00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:19,000 Speaker 1: to help the uninsured by coverage. Whereas people like Paul Ryan, 793 00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:21,759 Speaker 1: Donald Trump had said, you know, actually, tax credits are good, 794 00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,320 Speaker 1: and Tom Coburn, lots of other conservatives are on the 795 00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:27,160 Speaker 1: other side of that, are myself included. So what's the 796 00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,320 Speaker 1: what's the key thing with the tax credits. It's basically 797 00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,080 Speaker 1: to correct this inequity in the tax code that we 798 00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:37,080 Speaker 1: have today where basically, thanks to Medicare and thanks to 799 00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:39,279 Speaker 1: the tax break we give people who get insurance with 800 00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,000 Speaker 1: their employers, people on the upper end of the income 801 00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:45,640 Speaker 1: scale get massive subsidies of their health insurance. In fact, 802 00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:48,040 Speaker 1: that's why health insurance is so expensive in America, and 803 00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,080 Speaker 1: as a result, a lot of people are being priced 804 00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:51,360 Speaker 1: out of the market at the low end of the 805 00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:54,439 Speaker 1: income scale. So the idea is to balance that out 806 00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:58,680 Speaker 1: by equalizing the tax treatment for lower income people and 807 00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,680 Speaker 1: upper income people when they health insurance. For people who 808 00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:04,040 Speaker 1: are listening right now and who have who are not 809 00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:08,319 Speaker 1: part of the individual market, which is what has been 810 00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:12,040 Speaker 1: mainly affected so far by Obamacare, for those who are listening, 811 00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,920 Speaker 1: who have healthcare either through a family member, through an employer, 812 00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:19,440 Speaker 1: and not part of the individual market, is the Republican 813 00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:23,359 Speaker 1: plan going to do anything that will make things better 814 00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:25,080 Speaker 1: for them when it comes to their healthcare? I mean, 815 00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:27,400 Speaker 1: will this drive down premiums for people that aren't in 816 00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:30,200 Speaker 1: the individual market, Will it make doctors more accessible to 817 00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:32,080 Speaker 1: people who aren't in the individual market? Or are we 818 00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,719 Speaker 1: really just still talking about those people who are in 819 00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:38,200 Speaker 1: the individual market and this won't affect everybody else that much. Well, 820 00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:40,960 Speaker 1: I'd say there's a couple of things. First, if you 821 00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:44,480 Speaker 1: actually reform the individual market for people to buy health 822 00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:46,719 Speaker 1: insurance on their own, if you really make that a 823 00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:50,120 Speaker 1: robust wheel free market for healthcare. You know what you're 824 00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:51,960 Speaker 1: gonna see. You're gonna see a lot of people say, 825 00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,840 Speaker 1: you know what, I don't want my employer based health insurance. 826 00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,239 Speaker 1: I'd rather I'm going to get a better deal if 827 00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:59,759 Speaker 1: I go shop on my own. So people who right 828 00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:02,960 Speaker 1: now have employer based coverage but may not be thrilled 829 00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,200 Speaker 1: by how their deductibles are going up or how much 830 00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,520 Speaker 1: premiums are being taken out of their paycheck, They're going 831 00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,200 Speaker 1: to have another option. So that's gonna be really great 832 00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:14,440 Speaker 1: for them. That's number one. Number two, the plan dramatically 833 00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:17,800 Speaker 1: increases your ability to save money in health savings accounts. 834 00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:19,920 Speaker 1: So if you have a health savings account through your 835 00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,000 Speaker 1: employer or you have the option of setting one up, 836 00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,400 Speaker 1: that's going to be a much more valuable vehicle for 837 00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,319 Speaker 1: you to save tax free for your own health care 838 00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,560 Speaker 1: needs and have a high deductible plan that goes with that. 839 00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:33,640 Speaker 1: And then the third thing, to the point you know, 840 00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:35,960 Speaker 1: the original point of your question. If you actually do 841 00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:38,759 Speaker 1: those things, if you have more of a robust free 842 00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:42,400 Speaker 1: market to buy health insurance, what that does the cascade 843 00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,839 Speaker 1: through the system. Is it turbo charges? Our ability as 844 00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:50,000 Speaker 1: a country and as entrepreneurs to develop innovative new ways 845 00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:54,160 Speaker 1: to serve those patients with lower cost, higher quality healthcare system. 846 00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:57,399 Speaker 1: The basic problem is this right now, if you get 847 00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:59,160 Speaker 1: a health insurance through your employer, you get it through 848 00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:02,640 Speaker 1: the government. You haven't chosen your insurance plan. Someone else 849 00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:05,040 Speaker 1: has chosen it for you. At the end of the day, 850 00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,520 Speaker 1: you'll never have a real market unless you're choosing the 851 00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:11,040 Speaker 1: kind of health insurance you want. And by the way, 852 00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:15,200 Speaker 1: you'll never have a consumer driven, patient centered healthcare system 853 00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,880 Speaker 1: unless you the patient. You the consumer, are controlling the 854 00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:22,360 Speaker 1: health care dollars. So the whole idea with this Republican 855 00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:25,719 Speaker 1: plan is to put more people in charge of their 856 00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,640 Speaker 1: own health care dollars, and for those who are currently 857 00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:30,759 Speaker 1: in the employer based system are on Medicare, to give 858 00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:33,680 Speaker 1: them more options to control their own health care dollars. 859 00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,080 Speaker 1: So hopefully this will also put a stop to what 860 00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,200 Speaker 1: I'm sure many of us see with our healthcare plans, 861 00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:41,080 Speaker 1: where you know, you think you're in network, and then 862 00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:44,880 Speaker 1: you get the bill and it's not reasonable and customary, 863 00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,520 Speaker 1: they say, and it's only some of it. There's all 864 00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:50,600 Speaker 1: these all this stuff. You feel like you're a health 865 00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:52,560 Speaker 1: care lawyer, what all I wanna do is no what 866 00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:53,840 Speaker 1: do I owe? And who can I go see? And 867 00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:55,840 Speaker 1: what am I gonna have to pay? You have no 868 00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:57,120 Speaker 1: choice right now, as you say, if you get it 869 00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:59,279 Speaker 1: through your your employer, that's what you're stuck with and 870 00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:01,040 Speaker 1: you end up just having to pay the bill, or 871 00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,279 Speaker 1: maybe you have to face a collections agency. If we 872 00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,040 Speaker 1: had other choices, you could say, well, this insurance company 873 00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:09,200 Speaker 1: is annoying and they're playing games and they're a joke. 874 00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:11,040 Speaker 1: I want to go to somebody else. So if the 875 00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:14,359 Speaker 1: individual market gets better for every the individual market becomes good, 876 00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:17,120 Speaker 1: then everybody might want to play in that individual market 877 00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:19,520 Speaker 1: more or less, or at least have the option. Care 878 00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:23,200 Speaker 1: about free market healthcare. This is the key that we've 879 00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:25,879 Speaker 1: got to make the market for people who buy health 880 00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:29,040 Speaker 1: insurance on their own and health care on their own 881 00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:32,320 Speaker 1: through health savings accounts much more robust than it is today. 882 00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:35,880 Speaker 1: And the Republican efforts to use tax credits are central 883 00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,920 Speaker 1: to that goal. If you don't use tax credits, you 884 00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,799 Speaker 1: can't get there. And that's my message for Rand Paul 885 00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:44,200 Speaker 1: and Ted Cruz and some of the others who have 886 00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:46,839 Speaker 1: been uh you know, worried about this. That's the only 887 00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:49,320 Speaker 1: way to get to for true free market healthcare reform. 888 00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:52,560 Speaker 1: Oh vic Roy is for its opinion editor, author of 889 00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:59,080 Speaker 1: Transcending Obamacare and How Medicaid Fails the Poor. Ovic always illuminating, 890 00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:01,359 Speaker 1: my friend. Thank you so much for calling in. Hey, 891 00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:03,440 Speaker 1: look forward to seeing how your new show goes. Thank you, sir. 892 00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:06,319 Speaker 1: Come back soon. Uh, Team, I got tons of lines 893 00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,400 Speaker 1: lit up. We're gonna start knocking down calls here and 894 00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:11,160 Speaker 1: from all of you right after this breaks there where 895 00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:14,880 Speaker 1: we are all right, Team Buck, many of you have 896 00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,399 Speaker 1: been patiently waiting on the lines. I want to get 897 00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:19,320 Speaker 1: to your calls now. And if you want to call in. 898 00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:21,240 Speaker 1: As you hear us talking to folks, they'll be spots 899 00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:24,760 Speaker 1: opening up. Eight four four nine d to eight to five. 900 00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:29,640 Speaker 1: We have Dexter in Texas. Dexter, you're on the Buck 901 00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:33,640 Speaker 1: Sexton Show. Welcome, Hey, Buck. Only my mother calls me 902 00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:37,200 Speaker 1: Dexter called me Dicks de decks in text. I like it. 903 00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:43,279 Speaker 1: Uh the I. I don't know if you're public knows this, 904 00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:47,600 Speaker 1: but there's in the Senate Chamber there's a gallery and 905 00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:51,320 Speaker 1: a portion of that gallery is reserved strictly for dipitomats 906 00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:56,440 Speaker 1: about a hundred seats there, and it is inconceivable to 907 00:51:56,560 --> 00:52:00,120 Speaker 1: me and and and so duclusitives on the part of 908 00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:04,640 Speaker 1: the disloyal opposition, if you will, uh to say that, oh, well, 909 00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:07,920 Speaker 1: no one should be having any kind of uh uh 910 00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:11,840 Speaker 1: connection with foreign governments, as if, as if this is 911 00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:15,320 Speaker 1: strange and new to the whole system in Washington. And 912 00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:19,480 Speaker 1: I am I just I find that infuriating at the 913 00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:23,360 Speaker 1: at the level of duplicity that they are that they 914 00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:25,480 Speaker 1: are trying to pull, and of course they've got the 915 00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:28,120 Speaker 1: help from the media doing it. But I do think 916 00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:33,160 Speaker 1: Jeff Session being recused from the investigation is perfectly legitimate 917 00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:35,279 Speaker 1: as long as he runs the tight ship there at 918 00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:37,080 Speaker 1: the d o J. I don't think there's gonna be 919 00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:38,960 Speaker 1: a problem with that. I have no problem with it 920 00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:42,560 Speaker 1: because it doesn't mean it doesn't mean anything to us, 921 00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:44,719 Speaker 1: it doesn't mean anything to Republicans, it shouldn't mean any 922 00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:47,799 Speaker 1: of the American people, because he wasn't going to shut 923 00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:52,319 Speaker 1: down any investigations anyway. Jeff Sessions, it's a very respectable, 924 00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:56,879 Speaker 1: very honorable guy. And but the point is that while 925 00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:59,000 Speaker 1: it's a minor step for him to step aside one. 926 00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:01,160 Speaker 1: As we know from the to Lynch and Eric Holder, 927 00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:04,040 Speaker 1: Democrats don't step aside. So it's just the hypocrisy I 928 00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:06,040 Speaker 1: think is worth pointing out. And they're not going to 929 00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:08,040 Speaker 1: stop with the recusal. I promise you now, it's going 930 00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:10,120 Speaker 1: to be he needs to resign. We've already heard some 931 00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:15,520 Speaker 1: some Democrats saying that he should resign well, that he 932 00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:18,440 Speaker 1: should hold his ground, and and just you know, I say, no, 933 00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:20,080 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do it. Yeah, I hope so, I 934 00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:21,920 Speaker 1: hope so. But the decks, decks are calling him and 935 00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:26,440 Speaker 1: shield Tie. Let's get Greg in Oklahoma listening on I 936 00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:31,359 Speaker 1: Heart Radio. What's up, Greg, Hey, Buckshield Tie, shield Tie. 937 00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:35,440 Speaker 1: I just want to talk about you tweeted out last night. Um. 938 00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:38,160 Speaker 1: You know, a funny thing about the classified leaks is 939 00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:41,840 Speaker 1: that we're only getting what the conclusions are, we're not 940 00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:47,080 Speaker 1: actually getting the actual intel leaks. I find this funny 941 00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:50,799 Speaker 1: in a number of ways in that I was an 942 00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:52,640 Speaker 1: army sniper and so I've dealt with a lot of 943 00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:55,560 Speaker 1: classified information and how that came down and how that's 944 00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:57,920 Speaker 1: dealt with. There's a lot of interesting things and that 945 00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:01,120 Speaker 1: people can come to their own conclusions. Um, and if 946 00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:04,000 Speaker 1: you're giving just the conclusions to the public, They're obviously 947 00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:10,400 Speaker 1: going to think, Um, the Intel's correct in in that assumption. Um. Greg. 948 00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:12,160 Speaker 1: So what you're saying, just so I'm clear, and I 949 00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:13,759 Speaker 1: mean to interrupt it and and hold your thought for 950 00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:17,640 Speaker 1: one second, that they say it's based on classified sources, 951 00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:19,200 Speaker 1: So we're all supposed to go, oh, well, then it 952 00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:22,640 Speaker 1: must be true. Meanwhile, you and I know classified is 953 00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:25,359 Speaker 1: most is I shouldn't say mostly, Well, on the human side, 954 00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:28,760 Speaker 1: classified is largely crap. Right on the human side. There's 955 00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:32,719 Speaker 1: so much false information out there, disinformation. There are fabricators, 956 00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:35,800 Speaker 1: people making stuff up all over the place. So the 957 00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:37,960 Speaker 1: notion of something being classified just has to do with 958 00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:41,840 Speaker 1: how the information is acquired, not oh it's because it's classified, 959 00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:44,040 Speaker 1: it must be true. But what they do is they say, well, 960 00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:46,600 Speaker 1: it's based on classified sources, and this is what it 961 00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:50,319 Speaker 1: tells you, not this is what it says, because then 962 00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:53,200 Speaker 1: we could actually know, well, is that conclusion valid or not. No, 963 00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:56,280 Speaker 1: the fact that it comes from classified sources is supposed 964 00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:59,360 Speaker 1: to indicate to you that the conclusion that they spoon 965 00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:04,800 Speaker 1: feed the he's the only one exactly, And what triggered 966 00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,240 Speaker 1: this thought of my mind is when I was in Iraq, 967 00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:10,320 Speaker 1: we would get the raw intel, you know, from the 968 00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:14,799 Speaker 1: Defense Intelligence Agency and things like that around Solder City 969 00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,600 Speaker 1: in two thousand and seven, two eight, and we would 970 00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:20,880 Speaker 1: have to act upon that intel, um, you know, for 971 00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:24,279 Speaker 1: HBT targets and things like that. We'd come back with 972 00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:26,319 Speaker 1: emission say hey, this is what we're thinking about doing. 973 00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:31,920 Speaker 1: Whenever we ran up against Ummut Sauders henchmen, there was 974 00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:33,960 Speaker 1: a lot of pushback and there was a narrative that 975 00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:36,840 Speaker 1: was being pushed. And I see similar things with this 976 00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:39,680 Speaker 1: where all the intel, all the leaks that come out, 977 00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:43,279 Speaker 1: they all point to a single direction. Um. And like 978 00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:45,280 Speaker 1: you said, as we both know in the intel community, 979 00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:49,200 Speaker 1: unless you're actually seeing the raw data, um, then we 980 00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:52,720 Speaker 1: don't actually know what they're actually saying. We're just getting 981 00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:55,719 Speaker 1: to a point where, like today's CNN comes out, Oh yeah, 982 00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:58,160 Speaker 1: all those ten sources that they said there was no 983 00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:00,960 Speaker 1: intel at all. I'm about to get there, Greg, Oh yeah, 984 00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:04,279 Speaker 1: I finish your though. I'm sorry, no, no, I just 985 00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:06,680 Speaker 1: it was a great tweet that you put out last 986 00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:09,160 Speaker 1: night that just kind of reaffirmed what I had been 987 00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:11,400 Speaker 1: thinking for a while that all these leaks are just 988 00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:15,440 Speaker 1: They're sole purpose is to force the public into a 989 00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:22,399 Speaker 1: conclusion without actually giving them any real right and uh, Greg, 990 00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:24,440 Speaker 1: first of all, thank you for your service. Manuts gets great. 991 00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:25,880 Speaker 1: Were you were you there when the wall was going 992 00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:29,399 Speaker 1: up around Sideer City? That was a wild time. Oh yeah, 993 00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:32,880 Speaker 1: that was my my unit are mechanics. And then they 994 00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:34,320 Speaker 1: were the ones putting him up, so we had to 995 00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:37,839 Speaker 1: do a lot of overwatching things like that into the city, which, 996 00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:41,560 Speaker 1: as you know, during that time completely same. I remember, 997 00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:43,960 Speaker 1: and I remember some of your guys. You did very 998 00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:46,120 Speaker 1: good work. Great, great to hear from you, Man Shields High. 999 00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:50,120 Speaker 1: Thank you. Um yeah, man, great talk to you. I've 1000 00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:53,560 Speaker 1: been in the room and where people are waving classified 1001 00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:57,600 Speaker 1: documents at each other angrily coming to very different conclusions. 1002 00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:00,400 Speaker 1: So Greg's point here is essential. You keep hearing these 1003 00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:03,480 Speaker 1: are reading these stories about oh wow, there's classified links 1004 00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:05,640 Speaker 1: from the Intel community that tell us, you know X. 1005 00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:10,320 Speaker 1: A lot of the time there is a whole bunch 1006 00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:14,320 Speaker 1: of steps taken in the analytic process. You won't necessarily 1007 00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:16,440 Speaker 1: come to that conclusion. But they won't show you the 1008 00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:18,800 Speaker 1: raw data, will they. We got more common say with you, 1009 00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:24,240 Speaker 1: Buck Sexton, with America. Now where there is always something 1010 00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:26,800 Speaker 1: to talk about where you can trade opinions with Buck. 1011 00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:29,280 Speaker 1: I'm not sure you'll win, though. Just call eight four 1012 00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:33,560 Speaker 1: four nine hundred Buck. That's eight four four nine hundred 1013 00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:38,560 Speaker 1: to eight to five. All right, Buck, You're on NBC 1014 00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:47,440 Speaker 1: News February Yemen seal raid has yielded no significant intelligence. 1015 00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:54,680 Speaker 1: NPR dot org the valuable intel from the Yemen raid. 1016 00:57:55,240 --> 00:58:00,280 Speaker 1: It was ten years old. That was February three, and 1017 00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:07,480 Speaker 1: I could go on. These are all news reports run 1018 00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:12,080 Speaker 1: saying that the raid produced no significant intelligence. That's what 1019 00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:16,959 Speaker 1: we were told, a raid in which we lost Chief 1020 00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:23,000 Speaker 1: Owens and had many more wounded. We are now, we've 1021 00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:26,600 Speaker 1: been told for weeks, NBC News leading the charge on 1022 00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:29,480 Speaker 1: this one, of course, that it was a waste, that 1023 00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:33,680 Speaker 1: it was nothing. Now I have an advantage as somebody 1024 00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:37,560 Speaker 1: who now hosts a radio show, and I haven't been 1025 00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:39,720 Speaker 1: able to research this thoroughly, but I think it's true. 1026 00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:43,880 Speaker 1: I'm the only person in national radio syndication who is 1027 00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:47,320 Speaker 1: a former CIA officer and work in the counter terrorism Center. 1028 00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:50,560 Speaker 1: It's not like I was former CIA and you know, 1029 00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:55,120 Speaker 1: working on European diplomatic relations or something. I don't know whatever, um, 1030 00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:59,080 Speaker 1: you know, counting counting the the the grain harvest as 1031 00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:03,120 Speaker 1: it comes in from Southeast Asia. No working the Kunter 1032 00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:05,760 Speaker 1: Terrorism Center on issues of jihadi is M and obviously 1033 00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:10,840 Speaker 1: tied into CTC and aware of all of this stuff 1034 00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:14,720 Speaker 1: the agency was doing on the Mid East counter terror 1035 00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:16,680 Speaker 1: watching and say all of it, but I was read 1036 00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:19,240 Speaker 1: into whatever programs I needed to be read into on 1037 00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:21,240 Speaker 1: the counter terrorism front. Also, I served in the Rock 1038 00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:23,400 Speaker 1: and Afghanistan, as many of you know, as our last 1039 00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:27,560 Speaker 1: caller certainly knows, reminiscing there for a little bit. So 1040 00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:30,960 Speaker 1: when we talk about counter terrorism raids against Alkaiti in 1041 00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:33,120 Speaker 1: the Arabian Peninsula, I've been in the room when they've 1042 00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:35,560 Speaker 1: discussed how these raids will go down. I've been in 1043 00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:39,800 Speaker 1: country watching as these raids have happened, and have a 1044 00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:45,160 Speaker 1: detailed professional and personal familiarity with how this all happens 1045 00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:48,360 Speaker 1: from the intelligence officers side. Never been a door kicker. 1046 00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:51,360 Speaker 1: I wish that I could have been, but I certainly 1047 00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:55,800 Speaker 1: know it from the ct civilian side of things. And 1048 00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:58,200 Speaker 1: so that's why I read these stories and I think 1049 00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:03,560 Speaker 1: to myself, this is just pathetic. This is so clearly 1050 01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:09,440 Speaker 1: part of an effort to make the new commander in 1051 01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:17,120 Speaker 1: Chief Donald Trump seemed reckless, craven, indifferent, dumb, poor judgment. 1052 01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:21,320 Speaker 1: Take your pick that we lost a seal. This is 1053 01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:23,919 Speaker 1: the message that NBC, NPR and many others were putting 1054 01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:28,120 Speaker 1: out there. We lost a seal and had others wounded 1055 01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:30,920 Speaker 1: and also civilians killed in the crossfire, and we should 1056 01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:35,320 Speaker 1: always make note of that. For nothing, for nothing, that's 1057 01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:37,640 Speaker 1: what they were saying, for absolutely nothing. And this went 1058 01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:41,440 Speaker 1: on for weeks. Now, as I said to you yesterday, 1059 01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:45,320 Speaker 1: I want to know who in the intelligence or military 1060 01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:50,320 Speaker 1: chain of command thinks that it's their business to lead 1061 01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:56,400 Speaker 1: to media outlets. What the payoff of a mission like this, 1062 01:00:57,240 --> 01:01:00,600 Speaker 1: a very sensitive, high risk kind of terror mission. It 1063 01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:03,480 Speaker 1: kind of terrors a mission who takes it upon themselves 1064 01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:06,120 Speaker 1: to go and blab to the media one way or 1065 01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:12,560 Speaker 1: the other. It's completely unacceptable. And as I said, it's 1066 01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:14,880 Speaker 1: a betrayal of the oath. I mean, I would have 1067 01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:17,880 Speaker 1: never I was a CI officer for five years. I 1068 01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:21,800 Speaker 1: would have never even considered doing something like that. Just 1069 01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:24,040 Speaker 1: you have a job when you're in Langley or you 1070 01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:25,640 Speaker 1: I'm not saying look at maybe he wasn't coming from 1071 01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:27,480 Speaker 1: the CIA, could have come from the Pentagon, could have 1072 01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:30,800 Speaker 1: come from any number of places, but we were We 1073 01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:34,560 Speaker 1: were all doing our work. Maybe one of the secrets 1074 01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:36,720 Speaker 1: that the public should know about all this is we 1075 01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:40,640 Speaker 1: didn't It didn't really matter that much who the president was. 1076 01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:42,880 Speaker 1: We had a job to do every day. I had 1077 01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:46,320 Speaker 1: a job to do. And whomever is going and speaking 1078 01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:49,480 Speaker 1: to NBC or others in the press, they had a 1079 01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:53,480 Speaker 1: job to do as well. And they chose to put 1080 01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:56,120 Speaker 1: that aside because they hate Donald Trump so much, and 1081 01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:58,160 Speaker 1: so all these stories get right. Now, here's why this 1082 01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:01,240 Speaker 1: is particularly interesting to me. Those were the stories four 1083 01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:04,160 Speaker 1: weeks this Yemen raid, and just think of what this 1084 01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:07,320 Speaker 1: was the narrative. This is building ah Trump, He's such 1085 01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:12,880 Speaker 1: a fool, he's such a cowboy. He's um so thoughtless 1086 01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:16,760 Speaker 1: that he would risk risk members of Sale Team six 1087 01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:21,400 Speaker 1: for some stupid raid that had no meaning, no intelligence value. 1088 01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:24,200 Speaker 1: This is the only reason this gets out is because 1089 01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:27,600 Speaker 1: it's political un hurts the administration. And I should also 1090 01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:29,800 Speaker 1: know that if they believed, if they had reason to 1091 01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:33,840 Speaker 1: believe that the leader of Alkaido, the Arabian Peninsula was 1092 01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:37,400 Speaker 1: at this place at this time, and and they had 1093 01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:41,520 Speaker 1: they were acting all that information and good faith, that's 1094 01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:44,120 Speaker 1: the kind of mission that you are that you undertake, 1095 01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:46,320 Speaker 1: even if it means that you are going to risk 1096 01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:50,600 Speaker 1: your own If you're not willing to take those risks, 1097 01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:53,160 Speaker 1: you're not going to get very far against an enemy 1098 01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:56,240 Speaker 1: like al Qaeda. You have to go you have to 1099 01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:58,680 Speaker 1: go in hard, and you have to execute the mission. 1100 01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:01,880 Speaker 1: And certainly our seals know that, but the commander in 1101 01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:03,640 Speaker 1: chief has to be the one giving the order or 1102 01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:08,280 Speaker 1: somebody very high up in the Pentagon, the Secretary Defense. 1103 01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:13,320 Speaker 1: But what's interesting here is that the story has changed. 1104 01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:19,520 Speaker 1: Oh what a surprise. This is CNN reporting today US 1105 01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:24,680 Speaker 1: tries to i D hundreds of al Qaeda contacts thanks 1106 01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:29,800 Speaker 1: to Yemen raid. So you have several officials telling CNN. 1107 01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:32,600 Speaker 1: I'm going to assume, by the way, that these officials 1108 01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:37,040 Speaker 1: are not, you know, Shaun Spicer, Steve Bannon, and I'm 1109 01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:39,720 Speaker 1: assuming they're from within the CNN wouldn't take their word 1110 01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:42,640 Speaker 1: for it, I would guess, and if it was Bannon 1111 01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:46,680 Speaker 1: or Spicer, they would name him. So you have officials 1112 01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:49,640 Speaker 1: speaking to CNN saying that the US is now taking 1113 01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:53,880 Speaker 1: action to locate and monitor hundreds of people or contacts 1114 01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:57,040 Speaker 1: found as part of the intelligence retrieved during the deadly 1115 01:03:57,120 --> 01:04:00,400 Speaker 1: raid last month in Yemen. Some of the people are 1116 01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:05,400 Speaker 1: believed to be in the West. If now, also I 1117 01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:08,680 Speaker 1: have to say this shouldn't be leaked to the press either. 1118 01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:13,160 Speaker 1: But I can understand why people would feel like, given 1119 01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:15,760 Speaker 1: that this story was there was no good intelligence, that 1120 01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:18,920 Speaker 1: the professional thing to do here what an intel professional 1121 01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:22,200 Speaker 1: does when they have access to information to shut their mouths. 1122 01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:24,440 Speaker 1: You don't talk to the press about this. That's not 1123 01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:27,080 Speaker 1: how that that's not how this goes. But when you 1124 01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:29,840 Speaker 1: have one side saying that we lost to Seal for 1125 01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:31,880 Speaker 1: no reason, that the commander chief is reckless and this 1126 01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:34,960 Speaker 1: was a stupid raid that has real consequences, that means 1127 01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:37,120 Speaker 1: that the American people lose faith in the Commander in 1128 01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:40,440 Speaker 1: chief and his ability to make decisions about embarking on 1129 01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:43,320 Speaker 1: this kind of a counter terrorism action, and so it 1130 01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:46,720 Speaker 1: can't be ignored. But here we have these reports, and 1131 01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:49,600 Speaker 1: I'm trying to be consistent here. I don't think that 1132 01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:51,840 Speaker 1: these reports should be out there either, although they're clearly 1133 01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:55,720 Speaker 1: in response to what was already said weeks ago. But 1134 01:04:56,320 --> 01:04:59,040 Speaker 1: now let's judge this raid by what we know today. 1135 01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:02,280 Speaker 1: If it is in fact the case that there are 1136 01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:06,000 Speaker 1: hundreds of al Qaeda contacts that have been discovered as 1137 01:05:06,080 --> 01:05:10,880 Speaker 1: a result of that raid, the commander in chief would 1138 01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:18,800 Speaker 1: be understandably willing to take a similar risk. This could 1139 01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:21,680 Speaker 1: I'm just going on what the facts are that are 1140 01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:24,640 Speaker 1: reported here. This could mean that a mass casualty attack 1141 01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:28,080 Speaker 1: is averted. This could mean that a cell is rolled 1142 01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:31,920 Speaker 1: up in Europe who knows where. And we've all seen 1143 01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:38,520 Speaker 1: the footage in the aftermath of Nice Paris. You see 1144 01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:42,520 Speaker 1: what happens in the airport in Turkey. I mean, that 1145 01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:44,800 Speaker 1: is the kind of plot that Al Kaiedi in the 1146 01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:48,520 Speaker 1: Arabian Peninsula, although those were Isis inspired generally, but that's 1147 01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:50,240 Speaker 1: the kind of plot that Alkaid in the Arabian peninsulas 1148 01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:52,000 Speaker 1: trying to pull off. And if they have contacts in 1149 01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:53,720 Speaker 1: the West, we need to find out who they are 1150 01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:56,840 Speaker 1: and we need to lock them up and stop them. 1151 01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:01,120 Speaker 1: So you have to look, you have to look at 1152 01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:05,600 Speaker 1: the new information that's provided here and say, why were 1153 01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:08,160 Speaker 1: we told for weeks that there was no intelligence value 1154 01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:10,400 Speaker 1: whatsoever from this raid, that it was that was meaningless. 1155 01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:13,520 Speaker 1: That's what they were saying. This was a meaningless raid, 1156 01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:17,640 Speaker 1: and we lost we lost a seal. The people that 1157 01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:19,840 Speaker 1: were running this story, and the people that were telling 1158 01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:21,720 Speaker 1: the story to those news outlets, they were saying, we 1159 01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:24,360 Speaker 1: lost a seal for no reason, because Donald Trump is 1160 01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:27,440 Speaker 1: an idiot. That's what they're trying to say. That was 1161 01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:29,840 Speaker 1: the motivation behind that story. And now we're told that 1162 01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:32,960 Speaker 1: it's not true, and in fact, it was a raid 1163 01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:36,760 Speaker 1: that very well could have saved many lives. And these 1164 01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:40,800 Speaker 1: are the difficult calculations a commander in chief makes. Are 1165 01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:44,040 Speaker 1: you willing to lose some of your own some of 1166 01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:48,320 Speaker 1: your best in order to stop a terrorist plot that 1167 01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:52,440 Speaker 1: could kill fifty people. I'm not saying it's an easier 1168 01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:54,760 Speaker 1: and obvious decision, but these are the kinds of decisions 1169 01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:58,040 Speaker 1: that a commander in chief has to make. And when 1170 01:06:58,120 --> 01:07:01,800 Speaker 1: you bring in real intelligence professionals, and when you bring 1171 01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:05,520 Speaker 1: in the elite operators of the United States military, they 1172 01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:08,960 Speaker 1: understand the risks and they understand what it is that 1173 01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:11,120 Speaker 1: they're trying to accomplish because they know the enemy. They're 1174 01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:15,200 Speaker 1: not Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer and these left wing 1175 01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:18,560 Speaker 1: journalists on TV to talk about, oh, you know, let's 1176 01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:21,320 Speaker 1: not say that the Islamic state is Islamic, and let's 1177 01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:24,880 Speaker 1: pretend that we're now theologians of Islam and understand jihadism 1178 01:07:25,240 --> 01:07:27,960 Speaker 1: and the real threat is Islamophobia, and they do all 1179 01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:34,400 Speaker 1: this preening and nonsense. No operators, intel professionals, real ones. Unfortunately, 1180 01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:38,160 Speaker 1: there are a lot of hacks and phonies. They understand 1181 01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:41,320 Speaker 1: who the enemy is, and they know the enemy is relentless, 1182 01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:46,160 Speaker 1: remorseless and has to be defeated. And if we're gonna 1183 01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:48,720 Speaker 1: do that, we're going to have to take risks, and 1184 01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:51,040 Speaker 1: we're going to lose our own people. This is part 1185 01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:57,720 Speaker 1: of that process. It's unfortunate, but it is reality. But 1186 01:07:57,840 --> 01:08:00,640 Speaker 1: I can't allow these press report it's out there to 1187 01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:04,400 Speaker 1: go unanswered, where they want to suggest that a raid 1188 01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:10,200 Speaker 1: has no value whatsoever, that it was just President Trump 1189 01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:12,680 Speaker 1: showing off that he could order this kind of this 1190 01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:14,280 Speaker 1: kind of thing, even though it was being planned for 1191 01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:17,840 Speaker 1: months under the Obama administration. This just goes to show 1192 01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:21,920 Speaker 1: you how much hatred they have, NBC S and other 1193 01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:26,960 Speaker 1: have for this administration that they would demean a raid 1194 01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:29,840 Speaker 1: where Seal loss his life and others were wounded to 1195 01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:32,960 Speaker 1: score cheap political, short term, cheap political points, only to 1196 01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:37,200 Speaker 1: be proven wrong and to be proven liars later. Don't 1197 01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:39,640 Speaker 1: forget Team this is what this is what we were 1198 01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:41,400 Speaker 1: up against right now. Not only do we have to 1199 01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:45,040 Speaker 1: worry about the enemies abroad with al Qaeda, but we 1200 01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:50,720 Speaker 1: have enemies aligned against truth in this country. And they 1201 01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:52,800 Speaker 1: think that the ends justify the means. And if they 1202 01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:54,639 Speaker 1: have to run fake news, if they have to run 1203 01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:57,400 Speaker 1: stories that are not true, in order to convince the 1204 01:08:57,439 --> 01:09:00,600 Speaker 1: American people that al Qaeda or hoot is M is 1205 01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:02,920 Speaker 1: not a real threat, that that the real threat is 1206 01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:05,400 Speaker 1: in fact, Donald Trump. That's what they want you to think. 1207 01:09:06,680 --> 01:09:08,679 Speaker 1: Whatever they have to do to accomplish that they're willing 1208 01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:13,880 Speaker 1: to do, they won't malign the memories and the sacrifice 1209 01:09:13,960 --> 01:09:17,760 Speaker 1: of our heroes in order to achieve that. It's despicable. 1210 01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:22,160 Speaker 1: It is truly despicable. Keep an eye on it, don't 1211 01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:24,479 Speaker 1: let them get away with it, Pay attention to who's 1212 01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:30,519 Speaker 1: doing it. Going to a break. We're right back. We 1213 01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:33,439 Speaker 1: got some callers out. Let's take him John in North 1214 01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:36,800 Speaker 1: Carolina more love from w p t I. What's up, John? Well, Oh, 1215 01:09:36,840 --> 01:09:39,360 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. I'm sure you've been working around 1216 01:09:39,400 --> 01:09:43,519 Speaker 1: computers all the all the time that you were starting 1217 01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:45,760 Speaker 1: with the c I A and and my time in 1218 01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:48,760 Speaker 1: the service and also on in the private side. You know, 1219 01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:52,360 Speaker 1: everything is on computers. I was kind of curious career 1220 01:09:52,400 --> 01:09:54,759 Speaker 1: back in and I believe with us. Right after shortly 1221 01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:57,880 Speaker 1: after the election, late November Elaly December, the President said, 1222 01:09:57,920 --> 01:09:59,800 Speaker 1: you know what, I'm gonna do something completely new and 1223 01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:02,280 Speaker 1: unique and different. He said, I want to provide a 1224 01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:09,040 Speaker 1: completely digital turnover to the new incoming administration. And red 1225 01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:11,160 Speaker 1: flag went up in my mind right away, saying, you 1226 01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:14,240 Speaker 1: know what, I know that whenever you have groups of 1227 01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:18,360 Speaker 1: computers on the on the same network, everything goes to 1228 01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:21,880 Speaker 1: a server. A copy of all your emails, a copy 1229 01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:24,640 Speaker 1: of all your text messages goes to the server. And 1230 01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:26,960 Speaker 1: you can have local servers, but you can also set 1231 01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:29,040 Speaker 1: things up where you can have copies go to a 1232 01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:34,400 Speaker 1: remote server. And I immediately thought, you know how convenient 1233 01:10:34,479 --> 01:10:36,639 Speaker 1: it would be if you wanted to stay in town 1234 01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:41,360 Speaker 1: and run and underground government and under underground war room 1235 01:10:41,439 --> 01:10:44,840 Speaker 1: and create crisis if you had a copy of everything 1236 01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:47,439 Speaker 1: that was going on inside the White House. Just kind 1237 01:10:47,479 --> 01:10:50,800 Speaker 1: of wondering about that. I'm not I gotta be honest 1238 01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:53,400 Speaker 1: with you, John, I'm not familiar with the stories you're 1239 01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:55,759 Speaker 1: saying that Obama. They decided to do an entirely digital 1240 01:10:55,880 --> 01:11:00,160 Speaker 1: handover to the next next administration. I didn't know that. Yeah, out, 1241 01:11:00,240 --> 01:11:02,360 Speaker 1: that's that's what That's what he had said. He was 1242 01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:05,880 Speaker 1: gonna have a completely digital turnover to the to the 1243 01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:09,920 Speaker 1: new administration. And that obviously leaves the door wide open 1244 01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:14,640 Speaker 1: for all kinds of machinations behind the scenes, because a 1245 01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:18,200 Speaker 1: digital digital trail is really easy to if you have 1246 01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:21,479 Speaker 1: control of the servers and the devices, the digital trail 1247 01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:27,280 Speaker 1: is very easy to manipulate. That's right. Yeah, I know. Look, 1248 01:11:27,479 --> 01:11:30,320 Speaker 1: and as we discussed before earlier on in the show tonight, 1249 01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:34,719 Speaker 1: clearly the Obama administration was concerned with what was left 1250 01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:39,040 Speaker 1: behind for the next administration. They were trying to leave 1251 01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:42,720 Speaker 1: behind information that would be damaging to Trump. I'm sure 1252 01:11:42,760 --> 01:11:44,519 Speaker 1: they also wanted to make sure they didn't leave behind 1253 01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:48,080 Speaker 1: any information that would be damaging to Obama and the Democrats, 1254 01:11:48,200 --> 01:11:51,240 Speaker 1: because they must realize that some of the some of 1255 01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:54,040 Speaker 1: the skeletons and the Democrats closet from the last eight 1256 01:11:54,160 --> 01:11:58,800 Speaker 1: years would be very interesting if I shown to full 1257 01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:02,040 Speaker 1: public view. I mean, I think that, for example, people 1258 01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:06,680 Speaker 1: still wonder about the internal discussions the night of Benghazi. 1259 01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:08,800 Speaker 1: You know, if the president of the Secretary of State. 1260 01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:10,640 Speaker 1: We're talking about how they were going to spend this 1261 01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:13,360 Speaker 1: the next day, and that was their first priority. I'm 1262 01:12:13,439 --> 01:12:16,040 Speaker 1: just just putting this out there as an idea. People 1263 01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:18,439 Speaker 1: would want to know that, I think, and that's the 1264 01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:21,240 Speaker 1: kind of information I think would be very easy to 1265 01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:24,759 Speaker 1: digitally erase. Again, if you're in charge of the servers 1266 01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:26,519 Speaker 1: and all the and all the rest of it. If 1267 01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:29,000 Speaker 1: you're using a third party server, then things get a 1268 01:12:29,080 --> 01:12:30,880 Speaker 1: lot a lot trickier. But John, thank you for calling 1269 01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:35,000 Speaker 1: in from North Carolina. Barbie also in North Carolina, w 1270 01:12:35,160 --> 01:12:41,240 Speaker 1: p T. I loving it tonight. What's up, Barbie? Hey? Hi? 1271 01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:44,400 Speaker 1: I um. I am just sick and tired of all 1272 01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:49,360 Speaker 1: the obstructionism going on with President Trumpton his people. I 1273 01:12:49,439 --> 01:12:52,280 Speaker 1: don't have strong opinions about Russia and about all the 1274 01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:54,639 Speaker 1: other things, but I'm just tired of all the myths. 1275 01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:57,760 Speaker 1: So I thought to myself, what can I do about it? 1276 01:12:58,600 --> 01:13:02,080 Speaker 1: Not too much, I'm just see. But I did come 1277 01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:03,920 Speaker 1: up with one idea and I wanted to share that 1278 01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:11,240 Speaker 1: with hopefully you're millions of viewers. Listens, yes, ma'am, yes, listeners, yes, 1279 01:13:11,320 --> 01:13:14,320 Speaker 1: thank you. My idea is to send President Trump a 1280 01:13:14,439 --> 01:13:19,280 Speaker 1: letter that just says, be strong, keep going. I voted 1281 01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:21,800 Speaker 1: for you, and I like what you're doing. Some word 1282 01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:25,240 Speaker 1: of encouragement, it doesn't matter what it is. Just encourage 1283 01:13:25,439 --> 01:13:30,519 Speaker 1: the president. But to send it in a red envelope. 1284 01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:35,519 Speaker 1: And if thousands of red envelopes started showing up at 1285 01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:38,840 Speaker 1: the White House, or millions of red envelopes showed up 1286 01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:42,600 Speaker 1: at the White House, that would become a message to 1287 01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:45,280 Speaker 1: the country that there are a lot of us who 1288 01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:48,320 Speaker 1: really want the president to succeed, and we don't care 1289 01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:50,519 Speaker 1: what the Democrats are saying. But we don't want to 1290 01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:52,920 Speaker 1: march in the streets, and we don't want to yell profanity. 1291 01:13:53,479 --> 01:13:56,040 Speaker 1: We just want to encourage the president. Well, Barbie, I 1292 01:13:56,240 --> 01:13:58,600 Speaker 1: gotta say it's a it's a very nice idea, and 1293 01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:01,880 Speaker 1: I think the president, I think I think President Trump 1294 01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:04,719 Speaker 1: in particular would appreciate it. But I think he also 1295 01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:08,639 Speaker 1: recognizes that the votes cast for him in the election were, 1296 01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:11,519 Speaker 1: in a sense, those red envelopes that you're thinking about 1297 01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:14,760 Speaker 1: sending him. Already, he's aware of the mandate that he 1298 01:14:14,840 --> 01:14:18,200 Speaker 1: has from the from the American people to pursue the 1299 01:14:18,240 --> 01:14:20,680 Speaker 1: agenda that he was laying out for the entirety of 1300 01:14:20,720 --> 01:14:23,439 Speaker 1: his campaign. And you know, and I think the president 1301 01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:26,439 Speaker 1: is strong enough to stay with that, but I don't 1302 01:14:26,520 --> 01:14:29,920 Speaker 1: think that other people are strong enough to stay with it. 1303 01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:32,080 Speaker 1: I think some people that voted for him keep hearing 1304 01:14:32,120 --> 01:14:34,639 Speaker 1: all the bad press, and they might be saying, I'm 1305 01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:37,400 Speaker 1: not so sure. But if there was suddenly some press 1306 01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:39,720 Speaker 1: that was a little more positive, like look at these 1307 01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:41,760 Speaker 1: thousands of people that yeah, well, I can tell you this. 1308 01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:43,920 Speaker 1: I can tell this, Barbie that the media wouldn't cover 1309 01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:46,360 Speaker 1: the the red, the red envelopes that get sent in, 1310 01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:48,960 Speaker 1: that that would not be a front page news story 1311 01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:51,840 Speaker 1: for NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, go down the line. But 1312 01:14:51,920 --> 01:14:54,320 Speaker 1: Barbie Shields High, thank you very much for calling in. 1313 01:14:54,360 --> 01:14:55,840 Speaker 1: I appreciate I know you're on hold for a while too. 1314 01:14:55,880 --> 01:14:57,680 Speaker 1: It was very kind of you to be patient with us. 1315 01:14:58,720 --> 01:15:01,920 Speaker 1: All right, Wow, I can't even believe we're here, coming 1316 01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:04,040 Speaker 1: up on the third hour of the show tonight. UM. 1317 01:15:04,120 --> 01:15:06,519 Speaker 1: If you have not already, please go on the I 1318 01:15:06,760 --> 01:15:10,920 Speaker 1: Heart Radio app and or iTunes. If you're in iTunes, 1319 01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:13,240 Speaker 1: in the search bar, type in buck sex In and 1320 01:15:13,280 --> 01:15:17,679 Speaker 1: then click on buck sex In with America Now and subscribe. Please. 1321 01:15:17,800 --> 01:15:20,720 Speaker 1: The best way to uh make sure that you're in 1322 01:15:20,840 --> 01:15:22,720 Speaker 1: contact with the with everything we're doing here in the 1323 01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:25,040 Speaker 1: Freedom Hunt, and you hear the show whenever you want, 1324 01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:27,800 Speaker 1: as often as you want, on your own schedule. So 1325 01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:30,280 Speaker 1: it's free. It's on iTunes. Buck Sexton with American Now. 1326 01:15:30,439 --> 01:15:33,559 Speaker 1: Check it out. And we've got a lot to talking 1327 01:15:33,560 --> 01:15:35,479 Speaker 1: about in the next hour, So if you want to 1328 01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:38,080 Speaker 1: let those lines go ahead, other wise I'll be talking 1329 01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:42,040 Speaker 1: to you. Stay with me. The things that matter most 1330 01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:44,720 Speaker 1: in your day to day life are too important to 1331 01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:47,960 Speaker 1: trust to just anyone. That's that's why, that's why he's here, 1332 01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:54,799 Speaker 1: Buck Sexton with America Now. Sharp Mind, Strong voice, Bluck Sexton. 1333 01:15:55,880 --> 01:16:00,439 Speaker 1: A lot of news reports recently about anti Semitic threats, 1334 01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:06,960 Speaker 1: bomb threats into Jewish centers, Jewish grave sites being desecrated, 1335 01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:11,920 Speaker 1: and then immediately there are media questions posed to the 1336 01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:16,680 Speaker 1: Trump administration about denunciations of this hate. How quickly did 1337 01:16:16,760 --> 01:16:20,719 Speaker 1: they come, how earnest did they seem from Trump himself? 1338 01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:25,240 Speaker 1: This became political very quickly. What is the truth of 1339 01:16:25,400 --> 01:16:28,320 Speaker 1: all this? What is really going on here? Joined by 1340 01:16:28,360 --> 01:16:31,120 Speaker 1: my friend David if Fun, he's the editor in chief 1341 01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:33,840 Speaker 1: of the Alga Minor. Go to Alga Minor dot com. 1342 01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:37,720 Speaker 1: For their latest David great to have you always a 1343 01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:40,559 Speaker 1: pleasant book. All right, So we have the FBI probing 1344 01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:45,120 Speaker 1: bomb threats against Jewish community centers. We've got anti Semitic 1345 01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:50,679 Speaker 1: destruction of gravestones and UH threats coming a hundred bomb 1346 01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:52,760 Speaker 1: threats the Jewish centers across the country. What do we 1347 01:16:52,840 --> 01:16:57,599 Speaker 1: know about this? What is what's actually happening here? Well, 1348 01:16:57,720 --> 01:16:59,559 Speaker 1: there's a few things. The first thing I would say, 1349 01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:04,080 Speaker 1: is this what's happening with the with the Jewish community centers. 1350 01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:10,040 Speaker 1: I would say, is is new. It's it's very widespread, 1351 01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:15,840 Speaker 1: it's consistent, and it keeps coming and coming. The thing 1352 01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:20,679 Speaker 1: about it is it could be orchestrated by one person. 1353 01:17:20,760 --> 01:17:23,680 Speaker 1: We don't really know how big and how how widespread 1354 01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:26,360 Speaker 1: it is. It actually is in terms of some of 1355 01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:29,680 Speaker 1: the other incidents we've seen desecration in Jewish cemeteries. I mean, 1356 01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:32,360 Speaker 1: this is stuff that we've been covering for years and 1357 01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:36,800 Speaker 1: years and years on end. It's unfortunate, it's extremely unfortunate. 1358 01:17:37,200 --> 01:17:41,600 Speaker 1: But this is not, I would say, and outside of 1359 01:17:41,720 --> 01:17:46,080 Speaker 1: the ordinary. It's not an anomaly. It's it's something that 1360 01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:49,040 Speaker 1: happens with quite regular currens. And by the way, not 1361 01:17:49,160 --> 01:17:52,760 Speaker 1: just Jewish cemeteries, lots of other cemetery. So I think 1362 01:17:52,840 --> 01:17:54,560 Speaker 1: the first thing that we have to say at this 1363 01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:57,479 Speaker 1: point is that it's not yet clear that there is 1364 01:17:57,520 --> 01:18:00,720 Speaker 1: an actual rise in anti Semitic incident. To have a 1365 01:18:00,840 --> 01:18:04,439 Speaker 1: clear picture of that, you've got to really wait till 1366 01:18:04,439 --> 01:18:07,840 Speaker 1: the numbers come out, the FBI numbers, the Jewish groups 1367 01:18:07,880 --> 01:18:10,400 Speaker 1: that deformation nick numbers, until we can get the real 1368 01:18:10,520 --> 01:18:14,320 Speaker 1: statistics together. Having said that, it is quite clear that 1369 01:18:14,439 --> 01:18:19,240 Speaker 1: there's a major uptick in mainstream media reporting on the incident. 1370 01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:23,080 Speaker 1: That's my next question for you. Data go ahead, go ahead. Well, well, 1371 01:18:23,120 --> 01:18:25,800 Speaker 1: look it's welcome. I gotta tell you, it's welcome. It's 1372 01:18:25,880 --> 01:18:28,120 Speaker 1: great that they're paying attention to this, but it does 1373 01:18:28,240 --> 01:18:31,160 Speaker 1: leave us very suspicious as to why all of a 1374 01:18:31,200 --> 01:18:35,320 Speaker 1: sudden the attention the spotlight is on. You are quite 1375 01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:38,800 Speaker 1: aware of the previous history of anti Semitic incidents in 1376 01:18:38,840 --> 01:18:41,960 Speaker 1: this country, as you were just stating, and so that's 1377 01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:43,200 Speaker 1: what one of the reasons I want to bring you 1378 01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:46,600 Speaker 1: on is because you can make a very astute and 1379 01:18:46,920 --> 01:18:51,160 Speaker 1: and reasoned analysis of what's behind the surgeon as you 1380 01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:54,280 Speaker 1: point out, the reporting on this, Because there's definitely more 1381 01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:58,040 Speaker 1: reporting on this. We're seeing major news outlets covering this, 1382 01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:04,080 Speaker 1: and one can begin to surmise. I think that just 1383 01:19:04,360 --> 01:19:09,920 Speaker 1: as with Republican presidential administration, with Republican administrations, all of 1384 01:19:09,960 --> 01:19:13,120 Speaker 1: a sudden, one starts to see just think pieces about 1385 01:19:13,160 --> 01:19:16,080 Speaker 1: the rise in homelessness across the country, or think pieces 1386 01:19:16,120 --> 01:19:19,559 Speaker 1: and the rise in domestic violence, or anything that creates 1387 01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:24,400 Speaker 1: a perception of things are going poorly in America, even 1388 01:19:24,479 --> 01:19:26,719 Speaker 1: if there's really been no you know, all of a sudden, 1389 01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:29,240 Speaker 1: there's a new administration and we're being told about this. 1390 01:19:29,360 --> 01:19:31,519 Speaker 1: The previous administration, there hasn't been much of a change. 1391 01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:34,120 Speaker 1: Now you're saying this may be true. With the anti 1392 01:19:34,160 --> 01:19:36,800 Speaker 1: Semitic attacks as well, it looks like to me from 1393 01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:38,600 Speaker 1: what I can see, it is true. And then you 1394 01:19:38,680 --> 01:19:43,240 Speaker 1: add to this another layer, which is the press immediately 1395 01:19:43,360 --> 01:19:46,680 Speaker 1: jumping on the administration saying, well, you haven't spoken out 1396 01:19:46,720 --> 01:19:50,920 Speaker 1: about this quickly enough, and other Democrats, prominent democrats, we're 1397 01:19:50,960 --> 01:19:52,800 Speaker 1: just straight up saying they think Trump is an anti 1398 01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:56,200 Speaker 1: semi Well, well, look, this is this is you know, 1399 01:19:56,280 --> 01:19:58,880 Speaker 1: it's it's a very delicate thing to deal with, you know, 1400 01:19:59,080 --> 01:20:02,880 Speaker 1: because on the one hand, what's happening now the attention 1401 01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:05,720 Speaker 1: that that anti Semitism is getting another hate crimes, it's 1402 01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:09,839 Speaker 1: getting should have been a given, and it's it's welcome, 1403 01:20:09,920 --> 01:20:12,960 Speaker 1: it's hugely welcome. So you don't, for a second one 1404 01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:16,040 Speaker 1: to undermine that, you don't want to undermine the incidents 1405 01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:18,559 Speaker 1: that are happening. I mean, if there was one Grace 1406 01:20:18,600 --> 01:20:21,280 Speaker 1: and if there's one bereaved family, there's one child that 1407 01:20:21,439 --> 01:20:22,960 Speaker 1: has to leave that school in the middle of the 1408 01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:25,360 Speaker 1: day due to a bump friend and living in fear, 1409 01:20:25,800 --> 01:20:29,719 Speaker 1: it's terribles tragic, and it's absolutely deserves the media spotlight 1410 01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:33,040 Speaker 1: and it's been getting What is wrong. What is wrong 1411 01:20:33,760 --> 01:20:37,479 Speaker 1: is the insinuation, it's the subtext, it's the finger pointing 1412 01:20:38,040 --> 01:20:41,280 Speaker 1: because you know it's it's it's first of all, it's 1413 01:20:41,320 --> 01:20:44,920 Speaker 1: counterproductive and it's just factually inaccurate. What we should be 1414 01:20:45,080 --> 01:20:49,040 Speaker 1: doing is speaking to the administration as a in collaborative 1415 01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:53,400 Speaker 1: terms and saying, look, here's something, yes, it's it's a 1416 01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:55,600 Speaker 1: major challenge. We'd like to work with you, we'd like 1417 01:20:55,680 --> 01:20:58,240 Speaker 1: to encourage you, we'd like to we'd like to share 1418 01:20:58,320 --> 01:21:02,160 Speaker 1: with you our resource to help address this issue, which 1419 01:21:02,240 --> 01:21:04,360 Speaker 1: is not the tone that's been taken on. I'll tell 1420 01:21:04,360 --> 01:21:07,799 Speaker 1: you something interesting. You know, one of our columnists actually 1421 01:21:08,600 --> 01:21:12,439 Speaker 1: went through the history of vandalism at Jewish cemeteries over 1422 01:21:12,479 --> 01:21:14,639 Speaker 1: the past ten years and looked at New York Times 1423 01:21:14,760 --> 01:21:18,240 Speaker 1: coverage and there are, I don't know, pane or twelve. 1424 01:21:18,280 --> 01:21:21,679 Speaker 1: However many incidents there were that took place that literally 1425 01:21:22,040 --> 01:21:25,600 Speaker 1: had zero coverage in the New York Times, and the 1426 01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:28,920 Speaker 1: latest incident the New York Times standard photographer down there. 1427 01:21:29,479 --> 01:21:33,000 Speaker 1: They had front page articles, they assigned numerous reporters, they 1428 01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:35,439 Speaker 1: had follow up I think pieces. As you say in 1429 01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:40,200 Speaker 1: op eds, it's it's highly suspicious. It's highly suspicious that 1430 01:21:40,680 --> 01:21:44,080 Speaker 1: suddenly there's this elevated coverage and it comes together with 1431 01:21:44,240 --> 01:21:48,599 Speaker 1: these comments from all kinds of various self proclaimed leaders 1432 01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:51,240 Speaker 1: in the community saying, well, we think it's a result 1433 01:21:51,320 --> 01:21:53,920 Speaker 1: of the climate that Trump's created. I think Trump is 1434 01:21:53,920 --> 01:21:56,360 Speaker 1: a great friend of the Jewish people, certainly a tremendous 1435 01:21:56,439 --> 01:21:59,479 Speaker 1: friend of Israel, and we should work with him, we 1436 01:21:59,520 --> 01:22:02,320 Speaker 1: should put resources together with him, we should encourage him, 1437 01:22:02,680 --> 01:22:06,280 Speaker 1: help him do more. Is completely out of line. Where 1438 01:22:06,360 --> 01:22:09,759 Speaker 1: does this narrative that Trump is an anti Semit semit 1439 01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:12,720 Speaker 1: Where does it even come from? David, I just want 1440 01:22:12,720 --> 01:22:15,760 Speaker 1: to know I mean, how do they come up with this? 1441 01:22:16,160 --> 01:22:18,840 Speaker 1: Is it? It's because of what there have been some 1442 01:22:19,400 --> 01:22:23,720 Speaker 1: some Twitter trolls who share anti Semitic information. And by 1443 01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:25,920 Speaker 1: the way, I've seen an analysis of this, most of 1444 01:22:26,040 --> 01:22:29,560 Speaker 1: the really virulent anti Semitic stuff on Twitter that was 1445 01:22:29,880 --> 01:22:32,280 Speaker 1: supposedly tied to Trump. And keep in mind, there's no 1446 01:22:32,439 --> 01:22:34,920 Speaker 1: easier way to run a false flag than a sock 1447 01:22:35,000 --> 01:22:37,759 Speaker 1: puppet with, you know, a fake Twitter account of somebody 1448 01:22:37,840 --> 01:22:40,200 Speaker 1: pretending to be a supporter of a politician who's putting 1449 01:22:40,200 --> 01:22:43,040 Speaker 1: out anti Semitic or racist or any sort of of 1450 01:22:43,200 --> 01:22:46,000 Speaker 1: of vile nonsense. They've done an analysis that's a show 1451 01:22:46,080 --> 01:22:49,600 Speaker 1: that's a very small group of people using Twitter, specifically 1452 01:22:50,280 --> 01:22:53,080 Speaker 1: that we're responsible for a huge portion of these kinds 1453 01:22:53,080 --> 01:22:55,720 Speaker 1: of tweets. I thought a lot of those were suspicious. 1454 01:22:56,200 --> 01:22:58,919 Speaker 1: But other than that, is there is there any evidence 1455 01:22:59,000 --> 01:23:01,080 Speaker 1: and I'll can see that. Okay, they can point to 1456 01:23:01,160 --> 01:23:02,840 Speaker 1: that and try to make a case that somehow that 1457 01:23:03,439 --> 01:23:06,519 Speaker 1: is it's not representative, but that that's a thing that 1458 01:23:06,640 --> 01:23:10,360 Speaker 1: they can mention at least beyond that, I'm familiar with nothing. 1459 01:23:10,439 --> 01:23:12,920 Speaker 1: I mean, Net and Yahoo looked like he was hanging 1460 01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:15,280 Speaker 1: out with one of his oldest, best buddies when he 1461 01:23:15,360 --> 01:23:17,519 Speaker 1: met with Trump, and that was not the vibe you 1462 01:23:17,600 --> 01:23:19,280 Speaker 1: got when he was sitting down with Barack Obama. It 1463 01:23:19,360 --> 01:23:22,360 Speaker 1: just wasn't well, you know, that's absolutely case, I mean, 1464 01:23:22,439 --> 01:23:26,240 Speaker 1: mostly mostly for the most parts. There's two parts of 1465 01:23:26,280 --> 01:23:29,519 Speaker 1: the accusation. The first, it's killed by association, where there 1466 01:23:29,560 --> 01:23:32,519 Speaker 1: are Trump supporters who are anti Semitic, over many there are, 1467 01:23:32,640 --> 01:23:35,280 Speaker 1: I don't know, but obviously one is too many, and 1468 01:23:35,360 --> 01:23:37,920 Speaker 1: they're trying to use that as kind of a guilt 1469 01:23:37,960 --> 01:23:41,160 Speaker 1: by association methodology. Now, of course you can apply the 1470 01:23:41,240 --> 01:23:44,479 Speaker 1: same thing to any politician they're anti Semites who supported 1471 01:23:44,520 --> 01:23:47,559 Speaker 1: it by mother, anti Semitis supporter Hillary Clinton. I mean, 1472 01:23:47,680 --> 01:23:50,240 Speaker 1: that kind of killed by association is just wrong and 1473 01:23:50,320 --> 01:23:53,640 Speaker 1: it's it's unfair and it's inaccurate. The second accusation is 1474 01:23:54,280 --> 01:23:57,040 Speaker 1: the claims that he's not doing enough, okay, that he 1475 01:23:57,080 --> 01:23:59,839 Speaker 1: should speak out, he should do more, he should distance 1476 01:23:59,840 --> 01:24:03,080 Speaker 1: the stuff, etcetera. So, first of all, I think that's 1477 01:24:03,200 --> 01:24:06,080 Speaker 1: true of all politicians. There's no question that Obama did 1478 01:24:06,120 --> 01:24:09,720 Speaker 1: not do enough when it came to Israel and he 1479 01:24:09,800 --> 01:24:13,799 Speaker 1: came to Jewish concerns, um and you know, you always 1480 01:24:13,840 --> 01:24:15,679 Speaker 1: want to do more than when it comes to combat 1481 01:24:15,720 --> 01:24:18,960 Speaker 1: things hate and when it comes to bigotry, there really 1482 01:24:19,080 --> 01:24:21,679 Speaker 1: is no limit. That's that's to what must be done, 1483 01:24:21,840 --> 01:24:25,439 Speaker 1: and it's necessary always to think about what are the 1484 01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:28,080 Speaker 1: next steps that can be taken. However, the tone is 1485 01:24:28,160 --> 01:24:31,360 Speaker 1: completely different if you're accusing somebody of being anti Semitics. 1486 01:24:31,800 --> 01:24:34,720 Speaker 1: It's completely different to it to accusing somebody if not 1487 01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:37,760 Speaker 1: doing enough to combat anti Semitism. If you like to 1488 01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:40,439 Speaker 1: see them do more to combat anti Semitism, you've got 1489 01:24:40,479 --> 01:24:43,080 Speaker 1: to encourage them. It's got to be constructed. You can't 1490 01:24:43,080 --> 01:24:48,200 Speaker 1: be pointing a finger. It's not an accusatory discussion. And 1491 01:24:48,600 --> 01:24:51,439 Speaker 1: by the way, the have you heard and from your 1492 01:24:51,479 --> 01:24:55,880 Speaker 1: contacts and sources, have you heard anything about Jared Kushner 1493 01:24:55,920 --> 01:25:00,799 Speaker 1: who is a is a believe practicing Orthodox. It's jew correct, 1494 01:25:01,080 --> 01:25:03,880 Speaker 1: he is, he's orthanizing. It's nice for his You know, 1495 01:25:03,960 --> 01:25:07,400 Speaker 1: people talk about Jared quite a bit. Donald Trump has 1496 01:25:07,479 --> 01:25:11,280 Speaker 1: Jewish grandchildren. His daughter Avante is an Orthodox Jew. A 1497 01:25:11,320 --> 01:25:13,439 Speaker 1: lot of people don't know that that. His other two 1498 01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:16,880 Speaker 1: kids are also married to Jews, they're just not that orthodox. 1499 01:25:17,479 --> 01:25:19,960 Speaker 1: And his daughter Tiffani last I had was dating a 1500 01:25:20,080 --> 01:25:23,120 Speaker 1: Jewish guy and not to mention, I mean the administration 1501 01:25:23,200 --> 01:25:26,360 Speaker 1: is chocked full of of Jewish people. Now having said that, 1502 01:25:26,560 --> 01:25:29,240 Speaker 1: it doesn't mean you know, there's a buddy of mine 1503 01:25:29,280 --> 01:25:31,200 Speaker 1: who wrote a book of an anti Semitism called some 1504 01:25:31,320 --> 01:25:33,559 Speaker 1: of my best Friends. You know, Roger Water has always 1505 01:25:33,560 --> 01:25:35,880 Speaker 1: said that when he's accused of anti Semitism, well, I 1506 01:25:35,960 --> 01:25:38,000 Speaker 1: can't be an anti semit I've got all these friends 1507 01:25:38,040 --> 01:25:40,240 Speaker 1: and grants. You know, if somebody can still be an 1508 01:25:40,240 --> 01:25:43,439 Speaker 1: anti semit even if they've got lots of Jews surrounded him, 1509 01:25:43,560 --> 01:25:46,280 Speaker 1: and they can still say anti Semitic things without actually 1510 01:25:46,360 --> 01:25:50,000 Speaker 1: being anti Semitic. So while it gives us a sense 1511 01:25:50,080 --> 01:25:54,240 Speaker 1: of of where his heart is and who's surrounding it, 1512 01:25:54,320 --> 01:25:56,920 Speaker 1: it's important. But the truth is, if you look back 1513 01:25:57,000 --> 01:25:59,720 Speaker 1: at Trump's history, I mean, the guy lived in New York, 1514 01:26:00,240 --> 01:26:02,559 Speaker 1: it's going It's probably the issue that he was most 1515 01:26:02,680 --> 01:26:06,920 Speaker 1: consistent about over the last four decades is his support 1516 01:26:06,960 --> 01:26:09,080 Speaker 1: for Israel and for the Jewish people, going back to 1517 01:26:09,160 --> 01:26:11,760 Speaker 1: when he opened Marilla, Join said you know, Jews are 1518 01:26:11,760 --> 01:26:14,360 Speaker 1: welcome here at a time when that wasn't necessarily the 1519 01:26:14,439 --> 01:26:18,120 Speaker 1: case at other club. So I think, you know, beyond 1520 01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:21,360 Speaker 1: who's in his family, you have a history of a 1521 01:26:21,439 --> 01:26:23,840 Speaker 1: guy over here who I think is a great record 1522 01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:26,280 Speaker 1: with the Jewish community and with the Jewish people. Now 1523 01:26:26,400 --> 01:26:29,200 Speaker 1: he's in a position of power, it's new, he's only 1524 01:26:29,200 --> 01:26:31,280 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks. So we've got to help him. 1525 01:26:31,280 --> 01:26:33,120 Speaker 1: We've got to encourage, We're gonna show him how we 1526 01:26:33,200 --> 01:26:36,160 Speaker 1: can do more. We can pull the community's resources together 1527 01:26:36,240 --> 01:26:38,840 Speaker 1: with the government's resources and put the stop to what 1528 01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:41,799 Speaker 1: I wanted to ask. And I'm glad that you addressed 1529 01:26:41,840 --> 01:26:43,439 Speaker 1: the issue of his family as well, because that has 1530 01:26:43,520 --> 01:26:45,800 Speaker 1: come up in these discussions where people are saying that 1531 01:26:45,800 --> 01:26:48,320 Speaker 1: Trump is anti Semitic, and and then they try to claim, well, 1532 01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:50,000 Speaker 1: that has nothing to do with anything, and as you say, well, 1533 01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:52,880 Speaker 1: there are nuances here. Sure, just because you have, uh, 1534 01:26:53,080 --> 01:26:54,920 Speaker 1: there are Jewish people around you, doesn't mean you can't 1535 01:26:54,920 --> 01:26:57,720 Speaker 1: say something anti semitic, But it is an indicator. I 1536 01:26:57,840 --> 01:27:01,400 Speaker 1: think to suggest that Trump is is hateful towards Jews, when, 1537 01:27:01,400 --> 01:27:03,400 Speaker 1: as you point out, so many of his own family 1538 01:27:03,479 --> 01:27:06,320 Speaker 1: members are are Jewish would seem to be uh quite 1539 01:27:06,360 --> 01:27:09,280 Speaker 1: a stretch. But I want to ask about Kushner and 1540 01:27:09,560 --> 01:27:12,519 Speaker 1: the peace process, because there have been some discussions already 1541 01:27:12,760 --> 01:27:14,800 Speaker 1: that that would be part of his portfolio as a 1542 01:27:14,840 --> 01:27:18,760 Speaker 1: senior advisor to the White House. Uh, do you think 1543 01:27:18,840 --> 01:27:21,200 Speaker 1: that that's do? Do you think that he might be 1544 01:27:21,320 --> 01:27:24,280 Speaker 1: able to bring some new ideas to the table And 1545 01:27:24,439 --> 01:27:26,799 Speaker 1: how is that being received both by the American Jewish 1546 01:27:26,800 --> 01:27:29,960 Speaker 1: community and and in Israel. Well, look, let me say this. 1547 01:27:30,680 --> 01:27:32,960 Speaker 1: First of all, there's I have no no doubt that 1548 01:27:33,040 --> 01:27:35,360 Speaker 1: he's going to bring new ideas to the table. You know, 1549 01:27:35,439 --> 01:27:37,760 Speaker 1: he's certainly a fresh paya of vise, a fresh para 1550 01:27:37,760 --> 01:27:40,559 Speaker 1: of hand. But I think it also highlights something else 1551 01:27:40,600 --> 01:27:44,280 Speaker 1: that's that's that's really really important, and that is that 1552 01:27:44,360 --> 01:27:47,160 Speaker 1: when people are looking at Trump, that they're trying to 1553 01:27:47,400 --> 01:27:51,719 Speaker 1: certainly his critics, but trying to draw a distinction between 1554 01:27:52,040 --> 01:27:57,680 Speaker 1: Israel and jeeves, what's anti Semitic and what's anti Israel? Now, 1555 01:27:57,760 --> 01:28:00,880 Speaker 1: according to the United States State depart that these things 1556 01:28:01,080 --> 01:28:04,280 Speaker 1: are quite closely intertwined. Israel as the nation state of 1557 01:28:04,320 --> 01:28:07,559 Speaker 1: the Jewish people. There is a whole list of instances 1558 01:28:07,640 --> 01:28:10,679 Speaker 1: where biased against the Jewish State of Israel is considered 1559 01:28:10,720 --> 01:28:14,040 Speaker 1: anti semitic, according to the U S State Department, including 1560 01:28:14,080 --> 01:28:16,840 Speaker 1: a double standard towards holding, a double standard towards US 1561 01:28:16,880 --> 01:28:21,240 Speaker 1: relocuting demonizing and de legitimizing Israel. And set now, if 1562 01:28:21,320 --> 01:28:23,120 Speaker 1: you and we had this discussion, by the way, with 1563 01:28:23,200 --> 01:28:26,439 Speaker 1: regard to Obama, I remember when you were filling in 1564 01:28:26,560 --> 01:28:29,519 Speaker 1: for for Russia Limbo with regard to Obama's approach at 1565 01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:33,120 Speaker 1: the u N, that resolution that didn't bet a couple 1566 01:28:33,160 --> 01:28:37,200 Speaker 1: of months back. So on this score, on this score, 1567 01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:42,040 Speaker 1: what he's had his u N Secretary Nicki Haley, you 1568 01:28:42,120 --> 01:28:45,599 Speaker 1: and Ambassador Nicki Haley come out and say with regard 1569 01:28:45,720 --> 01:28:48,400 Speaker 1: to the way that the u N behaved, which according 1570 01:28:48,439 --> 01:28:50,679 Speaker 1: to the State Departma will be considered would be considered 1571 01:28:50,720 --> 01:28:54,160 Speaker 1: anti semitic in that sense. The President has done so 1572 01:28:54,439 --> 01:28:57,080 Speaker 1: much for the Jewish community, so much to fight anti 1573 01:28:57,120 --> 01:29:00,320 Speaker 1: Semitism and what many people are calling the modern manti 1574 01:29:00,400 --> 01:29:03,720 Speaker 1: Semitism of the legitimization of Israel. So if you look 1575 01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:06,120 Speaker 1: at them, if you're looking at the president's record with 1576 01:29:06,200 --> 01:29:10,360 Speaker 1: the Jewish community, you cannot separate these two components. And 1577 01:29:10,439 --> 01:29:13,360 Speaker 1: the President has taken initiative, he's been right on the 1578 01:29:13,439 --> 01:29:17,000 Speaker 1: front lines of it, and he's doing he's he's headed 1579 01:29:17,400 --> 01:29:20,479 Speaker 1: in the direction where he can really roll back some 1580 01:29:20,680 --> 01:29:24,200 Speaker 1: of some of the real growth e anti Semitism as 1581 01:29:24,240 --> 01:29:27,840 Speaker 1: it translates into bias against Israel. David Iffun is the 1582 01:29:27,960 --> 01:29:30,680 Speaker 1: editor in chief of the Alga Minor David, great to 1583 01:29:30,720 --> 01:29:34,559 Speaker 1: have you come back soon. Always a pleasure bus team. 1584 01:29:34,600 --> 01:29:38,880 Speaker 1: We've got ahead a break. We'll be right back. I 1585 01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:43,320 Speaker 1: do wish that this wouldn't happen. Returning to our subject 1586 01:29:43,360 --> 01:29:46,320 Speaker 1: matter from the breaking news from earlier in the show 1587 01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:50,280 Speaker 1: of the recusal of Jeff Sessions, which he stepped back, 1588 01:29:50,400 --> 01:29:53,120 Speaker 1: and he's the one that's decided that he's going to 1589 01:29:53,400 --> 01:29:55,360 Speaker 1: be recused, so it's it's up to him. It's a 1590 01:29:55,439 --> 01:30:02,360 Speaker 1: discretion of the individual circumstance here. But you had us spicy, spicy, 1591 01:30:03,200 --> 01:30:06,760 Speaker 1: come on. He said right a little bit before that, 1592 01:30:07,880 --> 01:30:10,559 Speaker 1: that there's no reason for a recusal playlip fifty four, 1593 01:30:10,720 --> 01:30:13,000 Speaker 1: I think a few moments ago saying that he should 1594 01:30:13,080 --> 01:30:16,800 Speaker 1: clarify his testimony and he should recuse himself. Well, I 1595 01:30:16,880 --> 01:30:20,600 Speaker 1: think right, and I think but there's nothing. I mean, 1596 01:30:20,680 --> 01:30:24,000 Speaker 1: he's been straight the testimony. And the question he was 1597 01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:26,040 Speaker 1: asked is whether or not he was aware of Trump 1598 01:30:26,160 --> 01:30:29,920 Speaker 1: campaign officials doing something in their capacities campaign officials and 1599 01:30:29,920 --> 01:30:33,560 Speaker 1: information had gotten passed. That answer is consistently no, he 1600 01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:35,880 Speaker 1: was aware of it. He was he made a statement 1601 01:30:35,920 --> 01:30:39,000 Speaker 1: that was accurate, and he stands by that. I think 1602 01:30:39,000 --> 01:30:41,559 Speaker 1: you should recuse himself. Look, there's nothing to recuse himself. 1603 01:30:41,560 --> 01:30:44,439 Speaker 1: He was straight with the committee. And I think that 1604 01:30:44,479 --> 01:30:47,800 Speaker 1: people are choosing to play partisan politics what they should 1605 01:30:47,800 --> 01:30:51,360 Speaker 1: be ashamed of themselves. And then he recused himself. So 1606 01:30:52,360 --> 01:30:54,080 Speaker 1: just we're keeping it real here in the Hut. I 1607 01:30:54,280 --> 01:30:57,439 Speaker 1: gotta tell you, I wish they wouldn't do things like that. Um, 1608 01:30:57,880 --> 01:31:00,760 Speaker 1: you know you either you know go or don't go? 1609 01:31:01,400 --> 01:31:03,840 Speaker 1: Do you do or do not? There is no try. 1610 01:31:03,920 --> 01:31:06,120 Speaker 1: It's not what Yoda says or do it. I can't 1611 01:31:06,160 --> 01:31:08,280 Speaker 1: do a Yoda voice that's gonna get really weird. Or 1612 01:31:08,439 --> 01:31:12,439 Speaker 1: do not. I shouldn't even try. Never here's a tip 1613 01:31:12,520 --> 01:31:13,680 Speaker 1: for those of you who are in the in the 1614 01:31:13,800 --> 01:31:17,720 Speaker 1: radio game. Never try a an impression that you've never 1615 01:31:17,800 --> 01:31:20,200 Speaker 1: done before on air live, because it's just gonna sound 1616 01:31:20,320 --> 01:31:23,760 Speaker 1: like you sat on a duck or something. It's not 1617 01:31:23,800 --> 01:31:26,200 Speaker 1: gonna go. I'm not gonna go over well. Oh, but 1618 01:31:26,280 --> 01:31:28,599 Speaker 1: here's an impression that I have done before. Nancy Pelosi 1619 01:31:28,760 --> 01:31:31,840 Speaker 1: was asked. This was fun. Pelosi was asked and she 1620 01:31:32,040 --> 01:31:36,160 Speaker 1: was once described to me as um and this I'm 1621 01:31:36,200 --> 01:31:38,840 Speaker 1: just quoting from a colleague of mine and government who 1622 01:31:38,880 --> 01:31:43,160 Speaker 1: had briefed her. He said that, ah, this is his 1623 01:31:43,320 --> 01:31:46,960 Speaker 1: quote was that she had the cold, dumb eyes of 1624 01:31:47,040 --> 01:31:51,320 Speaker 1: a goat, and the responses matched that perception that he 1625 01:31:51,360 --> 01:31:53,559 Speaker 1: got from where I was like, whoa cold dumb eyes 1626 01:31:53,640 --> 01:31:56,439 Speaker 1: of a goat? Wow, that was what he said. I 1627 01:31:56,560 --> 01:31:59,719 Speaker 1: was just like, that's harsh, and he goes, well, she's terrible, 1628 01:32:00,120 --> 01:32:04,880 Speaker 1: he said in the context actually of well is that yeah, 1629 01:32:04,880 --> 01:32:07,959 Speaker 1: I can talk about this. I guess of her response 1630 01:32:08,080 --> 01:32:13,439 Speaker 1: when she found out about uh, the surge, going well, 1631 01:32:14,760 --> 01:32:17,560 Speaker 1: that's all I can tell you. There she was You 1632 01:32:17,720 --> 01:32:20,320 Speaker 1: think that that that would be something that you know, 1633 01:32:20,520 --> 01:32:22,960 Speaker 1: would be somebody to be very happy about, you would think, 1634 01:32:24,000 --> 01:32:29,920 Speaker 1: But I digress. Um, So where was I? Oh? Yes. 1635 01:32:31,280 --> 01:32:37,280 Speaker 1: Pelosi asked about the difference between Loretta Lynch's meetings and well, 1636 01:32:38,479 --> 01:32:41,400 Speaker 1: some other meetings that have occurred. Let's hear what she 1637 01:32:41,439 --> 01:32:44,040 Speaker 1: had to say when there were issues with Attorney General 1638 01:32:44,120 --> 01:32:46,240 Speaker 1: Lynch and build plan her context on whether or not 1639 01:32:46,479 --> 01:32:48,800 Speaker 1: she should have stepped aside. Is there consistency or not? 1640 01:32:49,200 --> 01:32:51,320 Speaker 1: Let me thank you for your question, because there couldn't 1641 01:32:51,320 --> 01:32:57,640 Speaker 1: be a starker difference. Uh, Attorney General Lynch had a 1642 01:32:57,720 --> 01:33:03,400 Speaker 1: social encounter. Uh, serendipitous. Serendipitous for some might say that 1643 01:33:03,720 --> 01:33:05,800 Speaker 1: the former president of United States came by to say 1644 01:33:05,840 --> 01:33:09,000 Speaker 1: hello when they discussed their grandchildren. She did not have 1645 01:33:09,120 --> 01:33:14,320 Speaker 1: a major role in the Hillary Clinton campaign. Uh, this 1646 01:33:14,520 --> 01:33:16,840 Speaker 1: is a completely different thing. The reason we have been 1647 01:33:16,960 --> 01:33:22,519 Speaker 1: saying that the Attorney General Sessions should step aside and 1648 01:33:22,600 --> 01:33:26,080 Speaker 1: maybe she'd never have been confirmed this because he was 1649 01:33:26,160 --> 01:33:30,639 Speaker 1: a surrogate. That is the least convincing argument. I can't 1650 01:33:30,680 --> 01:33:35,000 Speaker 1: even believe that that she's making. There was a social call. Okay, 1651 01:33:35,200 --> 01:33:37,960 Speaker 1: it was just a lucky and happy coincidence that Loretta 1652 01:33:38,040 --> 01:33:41,640 Speaker 1: Lynch was going to have a a chat on the 1653 01:33:42,360 --> 01:33:45,200 Speaker 1: on the tarmac with Bill Clinton with no one else 1654 01:33:45,640 --> 01:33:50,080 Speaker 1: in able to hear. Um. It was just a lucky, 1655 01:33:50,160 --> 01:33:55,920 Speaker 1: lucky coincidence there that you know, Uh, they were able 1656 01:33:55,960 --> 01:33:58,360 Speaker 1: to sit down have that talk, nobody else around and 1657 01:33:58,880 --> 01:34:01,160 Speaker 1: no need for a recute is all there because it 1658 01:34:01,280 --> 01:34:05,000 Speaker 1: was social Oh and we believe who exactly there is 1659 01:34:05,200 --> 01:34:07,320 Speaker 1: making that case. Oh, that's right. We just have to 1660 01:34:07,400 --> 01:34:10,680 Speaker 1: listen to Bill Clinton. He's just, I mean, he's all 1661 01:34:10,720 --> 01:34:13,439 Speaker 1: about social he likes he likes to get real social 1662 01:34:13,920 --> 01:34:17,800 Speaker 1: and then there's Pelosi. Yeah, she's just it was a 1663 01:34:17,880 --> 01:34:23,320 Speaker 1: social call. I mean, come on, really, uh, Pelosi is 1664 01:34:24,560 --> 01:34:27,960 Speaker 1: it's it is a discredit to our institution of government 1665 01:34:28,040 --> 01:34:29,880 Speaker 1: that she was at one point third in line for 1666 01:34:30,800 --> 01:34:32,560 Speaker 1: the presidency. I don't know what else to say. I 1667 01:34:32,960 --> 01:34:35,439 Speaker 1: am not a fan. I am not a fan. Um, 1668 01:34:36,120 --> 01:34:38,200 Speaker 1: But I digress on that one. But yeah, this is 1669 01:34:38,240 --> 01:34:41,599 Speaker 1: a completely unconvincing argument that Pelosi in any way, shape 1670 01:34:41,720 --> 01:34:47,120 Speaker 1: or form, Uh would um, I would try to say 1671 01:34:47,200 --> 01:34:49,599 Speaker 1: that this was just about social stuff and had nothing. 1672 01:34:49,800 --> 01:34:53,160 Speaker 1: There's no need for recusal there. But it's this is 1673 01:34:53,280 --> 01:34:56,360 Speaker 1: the problem pointing out double standards with the Democrats. You're 1674 01:34:56,400 --> 01:34:59,439 Speaker 1: just you're gonna get frustrated and bored after a while 1675 01:34:59,520 --> 01:35:02,160 Speaker 1: because don't care. They have no There's a lot you'll 1676 01:35:02,160 --> 01:35:04,280 Speaker 1: get away with when you have no standards to uphold. 1677 01:35:04,360 --> 01:35:06,439 Speaker 1: My friends, that's the reality. All Right, we gotta hit 1678 01:35:06,439 --> 01:35:16,400 Speaker 1: a break, be right back. Buck is back, everybody bucks back. 1679 01:35:16,600 --> 01:35:20,160 Speaker 1: It's more of America now, throwing your two cents one 1680 01:35:20,439 --> 01:35:24,320 Speaker 1: eight four four nine hundred buck. That's one eight four 1681 01:35:24,479 --> 01:35:30,519 Speaker 1: four d to eight to five. I don't like that 1682 01:35:31,560 --> 01:35:38,040 Speaker 1: the political discussion of this country is so reflexively tribalistic 1683 01:35:38,320 --> 01:35:41,479 Speaker 1: now or tribal, just tribal, I guess I could say, 1684 01:35:41,880 --> 01:35:44,040 Speaker 1: but I don't like that it has turned into there 1685 01:35:44,160 --> 01:35:47,960 Speaker 1: there's no middle ground any any issues where this happens. 1686 01:35:48,439 --> 01:35:51,920 Speaker 1: It's not good for resolution if you want to solve problems, 1687 01:35:51,960 --> 01:35:53,479 Speaker 1: if you want to get to the bottom of things, 1688 01:35:53,880 --> 01:35:57,040 Speaker 1: you want to have open and honest discussion from both 1689 01:35:57,160 --> 01:35:59,040 Speaker 1: sides of an issue. And what we have right now 1690 01:35:59,080 --> 01:36:02,920 Speaker 1: in this country is not that. Because there is an 1691 01:36:03,000 --> 01:36:06,680 Speaker 1: understanding that the Trump administration is under siege, and it is. 1692 01:36:07,040 --> 01:36:09,000 Speaker 1: That's not a that's not a false perception, but it 1693 01:36:09,080 --> 01:36:13,960 Speaker 1: is under siege from a Democrat apparatus, which includes the media, 1694 01:36:14,120 --> 01:36:21,200 Speaker 1: which includes the Democrat Party obviously, UM and other major institutions. 1695 01:36:21,280 --> 01:36:24,559 Speaker 1: The the bureaucracy we're seeing are also referred to as 1696 01:36:24,600 --> 01:36:26,840 Speaker 1: the deep state. And because you listen to this show, 1697 01:36:26,880 --> 01:36:29,160 Speaker 1: you know the deep state originally as a concept comes 1698 01:36:29,240 --> 01:36:32,200 Speaker 1: from Turkey, and it has to do with the fact 1699 01:36:32,240 --> 01:36:36,080 Speaker 1: that Turkey has had democratic elections stretching back to Audit Turk, 1700 01:36:36,200 --> 01:36:40,200 Speaker 1: the founder of the modern Turkish state. But there have 1701 01:36:40,360 --> 01:36:42,519 Speaker 1: always been there. The military has always been in the 1702 01:36:42,560 --> 01:36:47,639 Speaker 1: background and has engaged in numerous coups, where coups data 1703 01:36:48,560 --> 01:36:53,320 Speaker 1: a cut of the state and they will swoop in, 1704 01:36:54,040 --> 01:36:57,799 Speaker 1: and it's usually to push back against in recent decades, 1705 01:36:57,880 --> 01:37:03,000 Speaker 1: usually to push back against Islamism in the government. If 1706 01:37:03,040 --> 01:37:06,479 Speaker 1: the secular nature of the Turkish constitution is violated by 1707 01:37:06,520 --> 01:37:08,760 Speaker 1: the elected government, or there's a perception that it will be, 1708 01:37:09,040 --> 01:37:13,320 Speaker 1: or then the military steps into to set things right 1709 01:37:13,520 --> 01:37:15,720 Speaker 1: is usually how we see it here. But um, and 1710 01:37:15,880 --> 01:37:19,200 Speaker 1: that's the Turkish that the deep state comes from Turkey, 1711 01:37:19,520 --> 01:37:24,479 Speaker 1: that there is a state within a democratic polity, a 1712 01:37:24,600 --> 01:37:27,400 Speaker 1: state within a state, and that it is the military 1713 01:37:27,560 --> 01:37:31,840 Speaker 1: and the intelligence apparatus, and that they aren't front and 1714 01:37:31,960 --> 01:37:34,920 Speaker 1: center necessarily, but that when push comes to shove, they're 1715 01:37:35,000 --> 01:37:37,800 Speaker 1: really calling the shots. They don't run the day to 1716 01:37:37,880 --> 01:37:40,080 Speaker 1: day of the government. But if you run a foul 1717 01:37:40,240 --> 01:37:42,960 Speaker 1: of the deep state, you are going to very quickly 1718 01:37:43,040 --> 01:37:47,880 Speaker 1: find yourself deposed and possibly in prison. We've seen some 1719 01:37:48,080 --> 01:37:53,160 Speaker 1: of that here, um. And you have people that are 1720 01:37:53,200 --> 01:37:55,640 Speaker 1: even saying that this is a patriotic thing to do. 1721 01:37:55,840 --> 01:38:02,760 Speaker 1: To lead classified information to classified information is something that 1722 01:38:02,920 --> 01:38:06,760 Speaker 1: is a good Now we are hearing from congressmen out 1723 01:38:06,840 --> 01:38:09,719 Speaker 1: there play clip six one. We are seeing an awful 1724 01:38:09,800 --> 01:38:12,400 Speaker 1: lot of leaks, and you ask yourself why, because the 1725 01:38:12,479 --> 01:38:14,479 Speaker 1: people who are leaking, whether they're within c I, A 1726 01:38:14,600 --> 01:38:16,960 Speaker 1: or the Department of Justice. Look, these are people who 1727 01:38:17,000 --> 01:38:19,960 Speaker 1: could be making an awful lot more money anywhere else. 1728 01:38:20,080 --> 01:38:21,800 Speaker 1: And uh, you know, I work with them very closely. 1729 01:38:21,840 --> 01:38:26,080 Speaker 1: They are patriots, they care about the country. Okay, these 1730 01:38:26,120 --> 01:38:29,840 Speaker 1: are very sweeping generalizations. I will have you know with 1731 01:38:29,920 --> 01:38:32,200 Speaker 1: somebody ust to work in the CIA that it's not 1732 01:38:32,320 --> 01:38:34,240 Speaker 1: easy to to leave there and make an awful lot 1733 01:38:34,280 --> 01:38:37,360 Speaker 1: of money elsewhere. While people this is an aside, But 1734 01:38:37,439 --> 01:38:39,760 Speaker 1: for those of you who are curious, everybody you talk 1735 01:38:39,840 --> 01:38:42,839 Speaker 1: to when you leave CIA, or I shouldn't say everybody, 1736 01:38:43,479 --> 01:38:45,000 Speaker 1: most people you talked to leave c I are one 1737 01:38:45,040 --> 01:38:47,400 Speaker 1: of these places. They're interested to hear about what you 1738 01:38:47,720 --> 01:38:50,080 Speaker 1: what you can say about what you did at least, 1739 01:38:50,720 --> 01:38:52,680 Speaker 1: but they're also not throwing a lot of money at 1740 01:38:52,720 --> 01:38:55,160 Speaker 1: you because they're so impressed or they think your skill 1741 01:38:55,200 --> 01:38:58,000 Speaker 1: set is so transferable. That's not true. That's why someone 1742 01:38:58,080 --> 01:38:59,840 Speaker 1: like me came out of the agency after number of 1743 01:38:59,880 --> 01:39:01,640 Speaker 1: years and wanted to go to grad school because I 1744 01:39:01,720 --> 01:39:04,960 Speaker 1: knew that to transition effectively into the private sector, most 1745 01:39:05,080 --> 01:39:08,800 Speaker 1: likely a A an advanced professional degree. Was was a 1746 01:39:08,880 --> 01:39:11,640 Speaker 1: necessity ended up not happening, And thanks for listening me 1747 01:39:11,680 --> 01:39:16,519 Speaker 1: on radio because now I'm here. But that there are three, 1748 01:39:16,680 --> 01:39:18,040 Speaker 1: I just think it's funny that this guy saying, oh, 1749 01:39:18,080 --> 01:39:19,880 Speaker 1: because you know there it could be making an awful 1750 01:39:19,880 --> 01:39:21,479 Speaker 1: lot amount of money elsewhere. I mean they could be, 1751 01:39:21,600 --> 01:39:24,400 Speaker 1: most of them would not be. And government work there 1752 01:39:24,439 --> 01:39:28,160 Speaker 1: there's a tradeoff. The tradeoff is you trade security for 1753 01:39:28,880 --> 01:39:32,479 Speaker 1: upside and you have to get used to process being 1754 01:39:32,560 --> 01:39:34,600 Speaker 1: your product when you're in the government, process is the 1755 01:39:34,640 --> 01:39:36,880 Speaker 1: product you do other things. There are missions, there are 1756 01:39:38,600 --> 01:39:41,760 Speaker 1: aspects of your job that are certainly worthwhile, but you 1757 01:39:41,840 --> 01:39:43,920 Speaker 1: are part of a very large machine. You're a tiny 1758 01:39:44,000 --> 01:39:47,320 Speaker 1: cog in an enormous machine, and you better get used 1759 01:39:47,320 --> 01:39:49,160 Speaker 1: to the idea that you just like what you do 1760 01:39:49,280 --> 01:39:52,280 Speaker 1: to today. You're not going to feel the earth move. Um. 1761 01:39:52,640 --> 01:39:56,000 Speaker 1: So there's that aspect of this. But also to suggest 1762 01:39:56,120 --> 01:39:58,360 Speaker 1: that it is a patriotic duty to lead information to 1763 01:39:58,439 --> 01:40:02,760 Speaker 1: damage an administration. Don't these individuals, whether in media or 1764 01:40:02,800 --> 01:40:06,360 Speaker 1: in the intel community. Don't they realize that they are 1765 01:40:06,520 --> 01:40:11,959 Speaker 1: slowing down the government that has the responsibility of protecting 1766 01:40:12,000 --> 01:40:15,519 Speaker 1: all of American people. They are making obstacles. They are 1767 01:40:15,600 --> 01:40:18,920 Speaker 1: creating difficulties that should not exist, that don't have to 1768 01:40:19,080 --> 01:40:23,439 Speaker 1: exist for a new administration. While we do have enemies 1769 01:40:23,479 --> 01:40:26,439 Speaker 1: plotting against us, still, I can assure you that right 1770 01:40:26,520 --> 01:40:30,000 Speaker 1: now there are multiple, just to take one example, multiple 1771 01:40:30,120 --> 01:40:36,120 Speaker 1: Islamic state cells that are at some stage of planning, training, 1772 01:40:36,560 --> 01:40:41,519 Speaker 1: equipping for a mass casualty attack in either America or Europe, 1773 01:40:41,800 --> 01:40:44,080 Speaker 1: or against one of our allies or u S installations 1774 01:40:44,120 --> 01:40:47,200 Speaker 1: somewhere right now. That's happening now. I don't want to 1775 01:40:47,320 --> 01:40:49,479 Speaker 1: use this as a as a get out of jail 1776 01:40:49,640 --> 01:40:51,679 Speaker 1: free card for the administration. Oh, They've got more important 1777 01:40:51,680 --> 01:40:54,360 Speaker 1: things that they need to defend us there above criticism. 1778 01:40:54,400 --> 01:40:57,040 Speaker 1: I'm not suggesting that. But I also don't think that 1779 01:40:57,280 --> 01:40:59,280 Speaker 1: I look at look at what we've been forced to 1780 01:40:59,360 --> 01:41:03,439 Speaker 1: drill down into and and the territory that we feel 1781 01:41:03,880 --> 01:41:08,439 Speaker 1: compelled to defend in the Republican Party and on the right, 1782 01:41:10,320 --> 01:41:14,400 Speaker 1: Flynn's phone call to the Russian ambassador who cares Jeff 1783 01:41:14,479 --> 01:41:19,680 Speaker 1: Sessions miss speaking, I think that saying he lied is 1784 01:41:19,800 --> 01:41:22,479 Speaker 1: not fair, is not accurate. I also think that it's 1785 01:41:22,960 --> 01:41:25,840 Speaker 1: he could have been more forthcoming, as he admitted, and 1786 01:41:26,080 --> 01:41:28,479 Speaker 1: I think that is misspeaking. I don't think that's spin. 1787 01:41:29,040 --> 01:41:32,400 Speaker 1: But Jeff Sessions miss speaking about what two meetings that 1788 01:41:32,439 --> 01:41:35,439 Speaker 1: no one cares. That doesn't matter. It only matters if 1789 01:41:35,479 --> 01:41:37,320 Speaker 1: you think that there's this vast conspiracy, and these are 1790 01:41:37,360 --> 01:41:40,160 Speaker 1: all data points going into the vast conspiracy of a 1791 01:41:40,720 --> 01:41:44,840 Speaker 1: Kremlin Trump axis. But this is not important to US 1792 01:41:44,920 --> 01:41:48,720 Speaker 1: national security. The Russian they keep telling us that the 1793 01:41:48,880 --> 01:41:53,559 Speaker 1: Russians hacked into Podesta's accounts, and I'm getting angry emails 1794 01:41:53,640 --> 01:41:55,360 Speaker 1: from some of you, by the way, that it was 1795 01:41:55,439 --> 01:41:59,519 Speaker 1: a leak not a hack. Again, doesn't really matter, does it. 1796 01:42:00,439 --> 01:42:02,840 Speaker 1: Hacking happens all the time, Leaks happen all the time, 1797 01:42:03,400 --> 01:42:06,040 Speaker 1: and the information that was exposed about Podesta was true. 1798 01:42:06,560 --> 01:42:08,559 Speaker 1: And I don't advocate for breaking the law to get 1799 01:42:08,600 --> 01:42:11,240 Speaker 1: access to information about politicians that I don't like. But 1800 01:42:12,160 --> 01:42:14,240 Speaker 1: it's not like they got access to the nuclear codes. 1801 01:42:14,360 --> 01:42:17,040 Speaker 1: You know, This isn't This isn't our most sensitive stealth 1802 01:42:17,120 --> 01:42:20,960 Speaker 1: technology or communications technology falling into the hands of the enemy. 1803 01:42:21,040 --> 01:42:24,040 Speaker 1: It's you know, Podesta talking about who's a jerk in 1804 01:42:24,080 --> 01:42:26,320 Speaker 1: the d n C and how Chelsea is a pain 1805 01:42:26,479 --> 01:42:28,920 Speaker 1: and all the rest of it. This is not the 1806 01:42:29,000 --> 01:42:31,559 Speaker 1: end of the world. But we're made to talk about 1807 01:42:31,600 --> 01:42:34,240 Speaker 1: this and it becomes a much bigger issue. And I'm 1808 01:42:34,320 --> 01:42:36,760 Speaker 1: just trying to put this into context where we see 1809 01:42:36,840 --> 01:42:41,640 Speaker 1: that the goal for many on the left is just 1810 01:42:41,960 --> 01:42:48,640 Speaker 1: to slow down, to distract, to complicate, to harry, to irritate, 1811 01:42:48,800 --> 01:42:52,680 Speaker 1: to annoy on like a radio synonym sounder here right now. 1812 01:42:52,760 --> 01:42:56,760 Speaker 1: But that's what they're trying to do, and that has consequences. 1813 01:42:57,000 --> 01:43:00,280 Speaker 1: I would like to see the Trump administration do things 1814 01:43:00,400 --> 01:43:04,040 Speaker 1: that will help all of all of America. I really do. 1815 01:43:04,240 --> 01:43:06,240 Speaker 1: And I know that starts to sound like I'm giving 1816 01:43:06,280 --> 01:43:07,720 Speaker 1: a speech in front of a room full of Boy 1817 01:43:07,760 --> 01:43:10,800 Speaker 1: Scouts or something, but I would like to see the 1818 01:43:11,439 --> 01:43:13,280 Speaker 1: corporate tax rate go down because I think it'll be 1819 01:43:13,320 --> 01:43:15,440 Speaker 1: helpful to businesses and I think a lot of Democrats 1820 01:43:15,840 --> 01:43:18,479 Speaker 1: will get jobs that wouldn't have had and Republicans, of course, 1821 01:43:18,560 --> 01:43:20,839 Speaker 1: but would get jobs that wouldn't have had jobs otherwise. 1822 01:43:21,360 --> 01:43:25,400 Speaker 1: I think that there are people two uh, people that 1823 01:43:25,479 --> 01:43:28,400 Speaker 1: will be able to see that an orderly immigration system 1824 01:43:28,479 --> 01:43:31,080 Speaker 1: is going to benefit American citizens and immigrants who want 1825 01:43:31,080 --> 01:43:33,719 Speaker 1: to go through the process legally. It's not about hate, 1826 01:43:33,760 --> 01:43:36,360 Speaker 1: it's not about being mean. You know, these are difficult 1827 01:43:36,360 --> 01:43:40,240 Speaker 1: decisions that I understand that. But the same thing with 1828 01:43:40,439 --> 01:43:42,439 Speaker 1: with Obamacare and and read it. We were just talking 1829 01:43:42,479 --> 01:43:44,960 Speaker 1: to Ovic Roy before. You know, Ovic who was an 1830 01:43:45,080 --> 01:43:46,400 Speaker 1: m D by the way, and as the kind of 1831 01:43:46,439 --> 01:43:49,200 Speaker 1: guy who's an m D and and a and a 1832 01:43:49,680 --> 01:43:54,200 Speaker 1: um understands markets too, and you know, financial markets, and 1833 01:43:54,560 --> 01:43:58,120 Speaker 1: it's just like a savant and he I think he 1834 01:43:58,240 --> 01:44:01,280 Speaker 1: was an advisor to Rubio for his campaign on healthcare, 1835 01:44:01,920 --> 01:44:04,360 Speaker 1: and he was an advisor, I believe in attached to 1836 01:44:04,360 --> 01:44:06,240 Speaker 1: the Romney campaign. You heard what he was talking about 1837 01:44:06,240 --> 01:44:08,880 Speaker 1: with health care. Is he is he suggesting, is he 1838 01:44:09,000 --> 01:44:10,840 Speaker 1: trying to pitch to you and me here on this 1839 01:44:10,960 --> 01:44:13,800 Speaker 1: show that old people should just be left out in 1840 01:44:13,840 --> 01:44:17,559 Speaker 1: the street, that poor people should die of preventable diseases 1841 01:44:17,600 --> 01:44:20,519 Speaker 1: and infections that you know, forget the poor who cares 1842 01:44:20,560 --> 01:44:25,200 Speaker 1: about him? And you know, of course not. He's proposing ideas, 1843 01:44:25,400 --> 01:44:29,120 Speaker 1: and he's proposing policies that and that's the same kind 1844 01:44:29,160 --> 01:44:31,599 Speaker 1: of policies that I support. That will mean that people 1845 01:44:31,640 --> 01:44:35,719 Speaker 1: have better healthcare, cheaper healthcare. And it's not just about 1846 01:44:35,840 --> 01:44:39,400 Speaker 1: keeping one political party in power. Again, Democrats would benefit 1847 01:44:39,520 --> 01:44:44,080 Speaker 1: from it. My Democrat friends who have Obamacare, which that 1848 01:44:44,240 --> 01:44:47,920 Speaker 1: has been a very interesting experiment. I know this is anecdotal, 1849 01:44:48,000 --> 01:44:49,800 Speaker 1: but I know some people who have had to get 1850 01:44:49,840 --> 01:44:53,439 Speaker 1: Obamacare and they all hate it. They all say that 1851 01:44:53,560 --> 01:44:57,200 Speaker 1: it's terrible. The only people that can say that they 1852 01:44:57,560 --> 01:44:59,400 Speaker 1: that that I've ever heard, and I don't know anybody 1853 01:44:59,400 --> 01:45:02,280 Speaker 1: in this circumst but can say that they like Obamacare 1854 01:45:02,439 --> 01:45:04,240 Speaker 1: or that they're very in favor of it, tend to 1855 01:45:04,280 --> 01:45:06,679 Speaker 1: be people that got Obamacare and then got really sick 1856 01:45:06,920 --> 01:45:11,400 Speaker 1: at cancer, a very serious disease. And while I understand 1857 01:45:11,439 --> 01:45:15,360 Speaker 1: why they're thankful for that coverage, uh, the reality is 1858 01:45:15,520 --> 01:45:18,479 Speaker 1: that that's a small subset of the people that have 1859 01:45:18,560 --> 01:45:20,400 Speaker 1: been forced to get this very bad cover. So you're 1860 01:45:20,479 --> 01:45:22,600 Speaker 1: sure it's good and we should cover those people, and 1861 01:45:22,680 --> 01:45:24,840 Speaker 1: there should be a way to and there will be 1862 01:45:24,920 --> 01:45:27,360 Speaker 1: ways to do that, But we're trying to make it 1863 01:45:27,479 --> 01:45:30,600 Speaker 1: better for everybody. We're actually not trying to exclude that 1864 01:45:30,720 --> 01:45:34,120 Speaker 1: this isn't about making Democrats get crappy healthcare and Republicans 1865 01:45:34,160 --> 01:45:37,320 Speaker 1: get good healthcare. These ideas that the administer that the 1866 01:45:37,320 --> 01:45:39,599 Speaker 1: Trump administration on not on all is you. I don't 1867 01:45:39,600 --> 01:45:41,040 Speaker 1: agree with them totally. I don't agree with them on 1868 01:45:41,280 --> 01:45:45,280 Speaker 1: on trade. I don't agree with them on um trillion 1869 01:45:45,280 --> 01:45:47,800 Speaker 1: dollar infrastructure spending. I don't don't. These are not things 1870 01:45:47,880 --> 01:45:50,280 Speaker 1: that I think are going to necessarily be good ideas 1871 01:45:50,360 --> 01:45:52,280 Speaker 1: at all. We'll have to see, we'll see if they 1872 01:45:52,320 --> 01:45:55,479 Speaker 1: do them, we'll see how they work out. But there's 1873 01:45:55,600 --> 01:45:59,800 Speaker 1: such an nastiness, um you know. I I from the 1874 01:46:00,000 --> 01:46:03,959 Speaker 1: their side. I knew when Obama was pitching oh Mamacare 1875 01:46:04,120 --> 01:46:08,400 Speaker 1: what it really was, which was a politically valuable tool 1876 01:46:08,479 --> 01:46:12,120 Speaker 1: for the Democrats that would expand a welfare program Medicaid 1877 01:46:12,240 --> 01:46:14,040 Speaker 1: for a lot of people who will then vote Democrat 1878 01:46:14,080 --> 01:46:17,640 Speaker 1: because they're getting something for nothing. And that would penalize 1879 01:46:17,720 --> 01:46:21,760 Speaker 1: people who are making their own way in the world 1880 01:46:21,840 --> 01:46:24,640 Speaker 1: and paying for their health care and and give some 1881 01:46:24,800 --> 01:46:28,280 Speaker 1: of their money redistributed in the form of health care 1882 01:46:28,360 --> 01:46:31,439 Speaker 1: to other people. And eventually that was going to extend 1883 01:46:31,479 --> 01:46:35,040 Speaker 1: to illegal immigrance, by the way, And I'm just not 1884 01:46:35,160 --> 01:46:37,040 Speaker 1: in favor of that because it makes the system worse. 1885 01:46:37,120 --> 01:46:39,080 Speaker 1: It's not even just that that's wrong, it is wrong, 1886 01:46:39,160 --> 01:46:41,760 Speaker 1: but it makes a system worse. You know, I'm not 1887 01:46:41,880 --> 01:46:44,519 Speaker 1: I'm not reflexive on these things. It's not a question 1888 01:46:44,600 --> 01:46:47,040 Speaker 1: of just you know, my tribe good, their tribe bad. 1889 01:46:47,240 --> 01:46:50,960 Speaker 1: You know, my side good, their side bad. I disagree 1890 01:46:51,200 --> 01:46:53,479 Speaker 1: with what they're trying to do, or I disagree with 1891 01:46:53,520 --> 01:46:55,160 Speaker 1: their ideas in the past, and I disagree with their 1892 01:46:55,160 --> 01:46:58,920 Speaker 1: opposition now. But you get a sense from senior Democrats 1893 01:46:59,040 --> 01:47:01,760 Speaker 1: that it doesn't matter who suffers in this process. It 1894 01:47:01,800 --> 01:47:06,360 Speaker 1: doesn't matter to them. It doesn't matter to them what 1895 01:47:06,640 --> 01:47:10,639 Speaker 1: the costs are to all Americans. It's about their power 1896 01:47:10,880 --> 01:47:16,840 Speaker 1: and also the confirmation of their belief system the real 1897 01:47:17,240 --> 01:47:20,559 Speaker 1: end results of this. No serious person it's gonna come 1898 01:47:20,560 --> 01:47:22,720 Speaker 1: out and say Obamacare is great, it's working his plan, 1899 01:47:22,800 --> 01:47:25,200 Speaker 1: and they know it's it's a disaster and it's falling apart. 1900 01:47:25,439 --> 01:47:28,040 Speaker 1: They keep pushing off major parts of the of the law, 1901 01:47:28,240 --> 01:47:31,360 Speaker 1: pushing it further down the pipeline in the future because 1902 01:47:31,360 --> 01:47:33,200 Speaker 1: they don't want people to really have to live under 1903 01:47:33,200 --> 01:47:34,880 Speaker 1: the law, because they're gonna hate it so much. We 1904 01:47:34,960 --> 01:47:39,560 Speaker 1: all know this. Yet you get the Chuck Schumer's of 1905 01:47:39,640 --> 01:47:41,840 Speaker 1: the world who will just come out and tell you 1906 01:47:42,160 --> 01:47:45,200 Speaker 1: whatever whatever it takes to make Trump fail there in 1907 01:47:45,280 --> 01:47:48,840 Speaker 1: favor of play it. Mark, do you want Donald Trump 1908 01:47:48,880 --> 01:47:50,519 Speaker 1: to be a successful president and do you think he 1909 01:47:50,640 --> 01:47:53,519 Speaker 1: can be? Well, the issue is not whether Donald Trump's 1910 01:47:53,560 --> 01:47:57,160 Speaker 1: a successful president or Chuck Schumer is a successful minority leader. 1911 01:47:57,479 --> 01:47:59,320 Speaker 1: The only issue is are we going to help the 1912 01:47:59,360 --> 01:48:02,120 Speaker 1: middle class people in America and those trying to get 1913 01:48:02,160 --> 01:48:05,360 Speaker 1: to the middle class. Thus far, this administration has done 1914 01:48:05,400 --> 01:48:08,360 Speaker 1: virtually nothing to help them and a good number of 1915 01:48:08,439 --> 01:48:11,080 Speaker 1: things to hurt him. He's done nothing. Let me just 1916 01:48:11,200 --> 01:48:12,960 Speaker 1: modify the way I asked you that do you think 1917 01:48:13,000 --> 01:48:15,640 Speaker 1: you can be a successful president for America? And do 1918 01:48:15,680 --> 01:48:18,040 Speaker 1: you want him to be? Here's what I've told him. 1919 01:48:18,160 --> 01:48:21,200 Speaker 1: I said, when you ran as a can today, you 1920 01:48:21,320 --> 01:48:26,320 Speaker 1: campaigned as a populist against both the Democratic and Republican establishments. 1921 01:48:26,800 --> 01:48:30,479 Speaker 1: Since you've become president, you have governed from the hard 1922 01:48:30,680 --> 01:48:33,560 Speaker 1: right and just done what the hard right wants. And 1923 01:48:33,640 --> 01:48:36,240 Speaker 1: the hard right is very far away from where the 1924 01:48:36,320 --> 01:48:40,400 Speaker 1: average American, even the average Republican is hard right. How 1925 01:48:40,720 --> 01:48:42,639 Speaker 1: by the way, in the same SoundBite as you heard, 1926 01:48:42,680 --> 01:48:46,559 Speaker 1: he said he's done he's done nothing to help them, 1927 01:48:46,560 --> 01:48:49,000 Speaker 1: and a good number of things to hurt them. And 1928 01:48:49,040 --> 01:48:52,000 Speaker 1: then he says he's done nothing. Well, has he done 1929 01:48:52,040 --> 01:48:54,719 Speaker 1: nothing or has he hurt people? It can't be both. 1930 01:48:55,200 --> 01:48:58,679 Speaker 1: He's either doing nothing or he's doing bad things. According 1931 01:48:58,720 --> 01:49:04,160 Speaker 1: to Schumer. And then when this MSNBC political analysts Helper 1932 01:49:04,240 --> 01:49:06,479 Speaker 1: and pushes them on this a little bit. He starts 1933 01:49:06,479 --> 01:49:10,200 Speaker 1: saying that Trump is governing from the hard right. Well, 1934 01:49:10,760 --> 01:49:13,320 Speaker 1: what is hard right about taking positions that are held 1935 01:49:13,360 --> 01:49:15,880 Speaker 1: by a lot of Democrats. I've mentioned them to infrastructure spending, 1936 01:49:16,200 --> 01:49:18,439 Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders and Trump on trade are very close to 1937 01:49:18,479 --> 01:49:21,479 Speaker 1: each other. But you see this is I'm I'm trying 1938 01:49:21,560 --> 01:49:23,519 Speaker 1: to take them seriously. I'm trying to take the Democrat 1939 01:49:23,560 --> 01:49:26,720 Speaker 1: criticism seriously as I can. But when you push, when 1940 01:49:26,760 --> 01:49:28,760 Speaker 1: you scratch the surface, when you get a little deeper 1941 01:49:28,800 --> 01:49:31,800 Speaker 1: into it, you find out every time same thing. They 1942 01:49:31,920 --> 01:49:33,880 Speaker 1: just they just want Trump to fail. They want Trump 1943 01:49:33,920 --> 01:49:35,439 Speaker 1: to lose. They want to be in power. Has to 1944 01:49:35,520 --> 01:49:37,920 Speaker 1: be their way. They want their team to win, and 1945 01:49:37,960 --> 01:49:41,080 Speaker 1: if America suffers in the process, they don't care. They 1946 01:49:41,240 --> 01:49:44,439 Speaker 1: really don't care. And that's what bothers me so much 1947 01:49:44,520 --> 01:49:47,080 Speaker 1: about them. I would like to see things that are 1948 01:49:47,439 --> 01:49:49,720 Speaker 1: that make the country better for all of us, even 1949 01:49:49,840 --> 01:49:52,760 Speaker 1: the people who are even people dumb enough to vote 1950 01:49:52,800 --> 01:49:54,880 Speaker 1: for Nancy Pelosi. I want the country to be better 1951 01:49:54,960 --> 01:49:58,240 Speaker 1: for them, although they all live in mansions in Marin County, UM. 1952 01:49:58,439 --> 01:50:00,519 Speaker 1: But I want the country to be better for them. 1953 01:50:01,400 --> 01:50:04,240 Speaker 1: They just want Trump to fail. Going to a break, 1954 01:50:04,280 --> 01:50:10,400 Speaker 1: We'll be right back. Welcome back to Freedom High Team. 1955 01:50:10,600 --> 01:50:12,920 Speaker 1: Jeff in North Carolina wants to talk to us about 1956 01:50:13,040 --> 01:50:17,519 Speaker 1: Jeff from Alabama. Jeff's on w p T I. What's up, Hey, 1957 01:50:17,760 --> 01:50:20,120 Speaker 1: how are you buck? You do a great job, love 1958 01:50:20,200 --> 01:50:23,960 Speaker 1: your show. Thank you so much, sir. Uh. Yeah, you know, 1959 01:50:24,080 --> 01:50:28,400 Speaker 1: I was quite livid when Jeff Sessions came out today 1960 01:50:28,800 --> 01:50:32,240 Speaker 1: and made his statement. I was really hoping he was 1961 01:50:32,360 --> 01:50:35,720 Speaker 1: going to say, look, I'm not recusing myself. I've done 1962 01:50:35,800 --> 01:50:39,639 Speaker 1: nothing wrong. I'm not recusing myself. I'm not stepping down. 1963 01:50:39,880 --> 01:50:42,639 Speaker 1: So you can just forget about it. It's not gonna happen. 1964 01:50:43,200 --> 01:50:46,960 Speaker 1: I mean, every time we give them an inch, they 1965 01:50:47,080 --> 01:50:53,720 Speaker 1: take a mile. In my question, have we learned nothing? Have? 1966 01:50:53,920 --> 01:50:56,480 Speaker 1: The answer virtually is yes. I think I think Republicans 1967 01:50:57,360 --> 01:51:01,720 Speaker 1: Republicans don't understand or don't seem to understand, that Democrats 1968 01:51:02,200 --> 01:51:04,120 Speaker 1: break the break the rules and the rule book all 1969 01:51:04,160 --> 01:51:05,720 Speaker 1: the time, and then are the first ones to turn 1970 01:51:05,760 --> 01:51:08,599 Speaker 1: around and raive the waived the rule book in our faces. 1971 01:51:09,600 --> 01:51:11,320 Speaker 1: And that's what they do. That's the game they play, 1972 01:51:11,760 --> 01:51:14,360 Speaker 1: and it gets us nowhere. And when are they going 1973 01:51:14,400 --> 01:51:17,559 Speaker 1: to learn the lesson to hold the line. I was hoping. 1974 01:51:17,600 --> 01:51:20,360 Speaker 1: I was really hoping that President Trump would come out 1975 01:51:20,400 --> 01:51:23,160 Speaker 1: today and he was going to make a statement and say, look, 1976 01:51:23,200 --> 01:51:25,800 Speaker 1: I'm gonna back my guy right now, and I'm gonna 1977 01:51:26,240 --> 01:51:29,840 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, I think that Sessions. I think that 1978 01:51:29,920 --> 01:51:32,040 Speaker 1: Sessions was the one that wanted that, that decided to 1979 01:51:32,080 --> 01:51:35,080 Speaker 1: recuse himself. I bet the Trump administration because they already 1980 01:51:35,080 --> 01:51:37,040 Speaker 1: saw what happened with Flynn. I bet they were willing 1981 01:51:37,120 --> 01:51:38,479 Speaker 1: to fight on this, or at least some of them. 1982 01:51:38,520 --> 01:51:41,240 Speaker 1: I think that Trump himself would have been willing to 1983 01:51:41,280 --> 01:51:43,040 Speaker 1: take the heat and fight on this one. But I'm 1984 01:51:43,040 --> 01:51:45,479 Speaker 1: sure Sessions was the Sessions was like, look, I should 1985 01:51:45,520 --> 01:51:48,000 Speaker 1: have been a little more clear. It's a recusal. It'll 1986 01:51:48,040 --> 01:51:50,000 Speaker 1: go away. Let's just forget about it. And Trump said, 1987 01:51:50,000 --> 01:51:52,040 Speaker 1: all right. He probably deferred to him, because my understanding 1988 01:51:52,080 --> 01:51:55,519 Speaker 1: is they're very close. They had a brief snippet of 1989 01:51:56,080 --> 01:51:58,840 Speaker 1: you know, Trump being asked that question and what do 1990 01:51:58,920 --> 01:52:01,280 Speaker 1: you think about it? And you know, should the recruise 1991 01:52:01,560 --> 01:52:03,599 Speaker 1: recuse himself? And he was like, no, I don't think 1992 01:52:03,640 --> 01:52:05,320 Speaker 1: it should know I mean, he and that was it, 1993 01:52:05,479 --> 01:52:07,400 Speaker 1: and he was he was a little ticked off, you 1994 01:52:07,439 --> 01:52:11,080 Speaker 1: could tell, but he didn't say anymore than that. But uh, anyway, 1995 01:52:11,160 --> 01:52:13,920 Speaker 1: and the other thing, you know, because you said a 1996 01:52:13,960 --> 01:52:16,240 Speaker 1: whole bunch of stuff. I wanted to talk about sessions, 1997 01:52:16,320 --> 01:52:17,800 Speaker 1: but then you were talking about a whole bunch of 1998 01:52:17,840 --> 01:52:20,000 Speaker 1: other stuff while I was sitting listening. One of the 1999 01:52:20,160 --> 01:52:24,040 Speaker 1: things is, um, you know you're not happy about uh 2000 01:52:24,640 --> 01:52:28,680 Speaker 1: Trump wanting a trillion dollars. I understand that. I understand 2001 01:52:28,760 --> 01:52:31,760 Speaker 1: that I would not have wanted to give Obama or 2002 01:52:31,880 --> 01:52:37,639 Speaker 1: Hillary another dime because we Obama spent over nine trillion dollars. 2003 01:52:37,760 --> 01:52:42,000 Speaker 1: Sixties cents on every dollar fell into the Washington DC 2004 01:52:42,280 --> 01:52:46,719 Speaker 1: black hole of bureaucracy, and if we're lucky, forty cents 2005 01:52:46,800 --> 01:52:49,200 Speaker 1: on a dollar got spit back out into the country. 2006 01:52:49,760 --> 01:52:53,680 Speaker 1: You know. But I am willing to give Trump the 2007 01:52:53,800 --> 01:52:56,840 Speaker 1: money because I know he will spend it wisely. And 2008 01:52:56,920 --> 01:52:59,719 Speaker 1: if Hillary would have got in, it would we would 2009 01:52:59,720 --> 01:53:04,360 Speaker 1: have been They would have wanted multiple trillions more dollars. 2010 01:53:04,520 --> 01:53:08,800 Speaker 1: So I'm willing to give Trump a trillion and he'll 2011 01:53:08,840 --> 01:53:12,400 Speaker 1: spend it wisely. All right, Jeff North Carolina agreed to 2012 01:53:12,400 --> 01:53:15,400 Speaker 1: talk to you, sir, Shields High. That's gonna be the 2013 01:53:15,439 --> 01:53:19,160 Speaker 1: show for tonight. Everybody. Please go to uh I Heart 2014 01:53:19,600 --> 01:53:23,439 Speaker 1: Radio app or go on iTunes and type in buck 2015 01:53:23,479 --> 01:53:25,880 Speaker 1: Sex and with American Hour just buck Sex and then 2016 01:53:25,920 --> 01:53:28,879 Speaker 1: subscribe to the show. Back with You with a freestyle 2017 01:53:29,000 --> 01:53:31,439 Speaker 1: tomorrow night. Until then, Shields Hot