WEBVTT - Star Wars Alien Necropsy, Part 1

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<v Speaker 1>Lord Veda requires all of these necropsies to be completed

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<v Speaker 1>by the end of the day. The surgical droids says,

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<v Speaker 1>these are substantial specimens. We might require more time two episodes.

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<v Speaker 1>Even Lord Vader is not a fan of two parts.

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<v Speaker 1>He says, the anatomy of the alien specimens are quite involved,

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<v Speaker 1>and if we're to perform a complete analysis, will need

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<v Speaker 1>more time. Okay, fine, but the adults better be extremely infotaining.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind production of My

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<v Speaker 1>Heart Radio. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Robert Lamb, and I'm Joe McCormick. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the last couple of years, Rob, you really

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<v Speaker 1>leaned into the holidays. But most of those holidays were

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<v Speaker 1>towards the end of the year, the wintertime holidays, the

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<v Speaker 1>hibernation holidays, thanks Giving, Christmas, of course Halloween. But we

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<v Speaker 1>do that all the time. And and I think I

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<v Speaker 1>get the sense that you are so strongly leaning into

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<v Speaker 1>the holidays that it has continued into the month of May. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I'm bringing that spirit, uh into May, especially

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<v Speaker 1>for today's holiday, Uh May the Fourth, as in May

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<v Speaker 1>the Fourth be with you, which is of course the

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<v Speaker 1>one day each year that everyone gets to go crazy

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<v Speaker 1>for Star Wars in addition to plan, addition to all

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<v Speaker 1>the other days. I guess. But um, but yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>I you know, I don't know that even though I

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<v Speaker 1>think my son and I had gotten super into Star

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<v Speaker 1>Wars this at this point last year, I think we

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<v Speaker 1>kind of forgot about May the fourth being a thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Like May the fourth was never a thing when I

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<v Speaker 1>was a Star Wars fan as a kid that I

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<v Speaker 1>know of, so it kind of blew right past me. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>But but this time, I I kind of realized that

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<v Speaker 1>the last minute, Oh my goodness, May fourth is next week.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's Star Wars Day. It's just uh, just open season.

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<v Speaker 1>We should do some Star Wars as content. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I would have guessed, even as obsessed with Star Wars

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<v Speaker 1>as you were last year, and I guess continuing into

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<v Speaker 1>this year, uh, that May the fourth wouldn't be your bag.

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<v Speaker 1>I would I would expect that May the fourth would

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<v Speaker 1>kind of irritate you, would be one of those cute

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<v Speaker 1>little things that gets under your skin. Am I wrong? Um? No? No,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I think I don't have any problem with it.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, especially since there's like new stuff coming out.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, Okay, if that's if this sets the deadline

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<v Speaker 1>for for the Bad Batch animated series to come out

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<v Speaker 1>and makes them, you know, put it out, then I'm

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<v Speaker 1>glad that we have it. Otherwise stuff would just keep

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<v Speaker 1>getting delayed, right right, Okay, yes, just wedge you on

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<v Speaker 1>into our calendars. Yeah, maybe they'll come up with another

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<v Speaker 1>Star Wars holiday this year. Well, some to say that there's, well,

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<v Speaker 1>we have May the Fourth as it Made a fourth

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<v Speaker 1>be with you, and then some say there's Revenge of

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<v Speaker 1>the Fifth, which is tomorrow. But I don't know, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how how crazy that. Maybe there's something

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<v Speaker 1>for the sixth as well. But I think I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's gonna be appropriate that it will continue after today,

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<v Speaker 1>because we originally planned for this to be one episode,

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<v Speaker 1>but then as we were working on the notes, we

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<v Speaker 1>were like, oh, wait a minute, we've got like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a fifty thousand pages of content or whatever it is

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<v Speaker 1>we've got now, so so this will definitely be at

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<v Speaker 1>least Tuesday and Thursday of this week. It is a

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<v Speaker 1>it is a week long Made the fourth, Yes, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>that is well, it should be. So Obviously we've talked

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<v Speaker 1>about Star Wars a bit here on the show in

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<v Speaker 1>the past, whether it be a discussion of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the question could Jupiter be blown up by the Death

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<v Speaker 1>Star uh, and I think the answer was probably not.

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<v Speaker 1>We've also talked about the Mighty Sarlac, and we also

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<v Speaker 1>did a weird house cinema episode on e Walks the

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<v Speaker 1>Battle for Indoor. But in this episode, we're gonna take

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<v Speaker 1>the old my monster science approach to the some of

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<v Speaker 1>the aliens from the Star Wars universe, you know, using

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of some bit of fantastic biology and then

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<v Speaker 1>using that as a way to discuss real world terrestrial

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<v Speaker 1>biology and finding where things line up where they don't, etcetera.

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<v Speaker 1>Now standard disclaimer here we are Star Wars fans, but

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<v Speaker 1>we are not Star Wars experts. We're probably not going

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<v Speaker 1>to perfectly reflect cannon or legend uh with regards to

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<v Speaker 1>the Star Wars universe with accuracy. Here. We haven't read

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<v Speaker 1>every scientific meditation on Star Wars, and we don't know

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<v Speaker 1>the extended universe perfectly. But we'll do the best we

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<v Speaker 1>can here and we'll have some fun with the topic.

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<v Speaker 1>But we fully invite you to get mad about it. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no reason to get mad about it. This is

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<v Speaker 1>all too too fun. But yes, certainly, um feel free

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<v Speaker 1>to write in if if you have any actually, he's

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<v Speaker 1>uh to share with us regarding the creatures we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about here today. Well put, all right, Well let's start

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<v Speaker 1>with your first selection, Joe, what did you choose from

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<v Speaker 1>the the vast and exotic Star Wars universe? Okay, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>to set the stage, the film is The Empire Strikes Back.

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<v Speaker 1>It's that mid movie section, the chase where han Leia,

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<v Speaker 1>Chewy and C three po are on the run from

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<v Speaker 1>the impure Real Fleet in the Millennium Falcon. This is

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<v Speaker 1>after they have evacuated the Hawth base and there are

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<v Speaker 1>a group of star destroyers that are chasing the Millennium

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<v Speaker 1>Falcon and they chase it into an asteroid field. This

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<v Speaker 1>was one of my favorite parts when I was a kid.

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<v Speaker 1>I still love it today. There's a kind of it

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<v Speaker 1>almost becomes like a James Bond car chase or like

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<v Speaker 1>Smokey and the Bandit where you know, they're like the

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<v Speaker 1>scene where the cars are zipping around, you know, through

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<v Speaker 1>obstacles and around traffic, but it's in space and instead

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<v Speaker 1>of other cars and a bunch of barrels and just

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<v Speaker 1>street you know, uh, tomato carts in the way and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>It is asteroids and of course this is extremely dangerous.

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<v Speaker 1>Their space rocks crashing all around and uh, the Falcon

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<v Speaker 1>eventually manages to evade its imperial pursuers and it hides

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<v Speaker 1>in a cave on a large asteroid. Yeah, this is

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<v Speaker 1>this is a great sequence in a just a great

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<v Speaker 1>Star Wars film. It's one of those like out of

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<v Speaker 1>the frying pan into the fire moments where actually it's

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<v Speaker 1>like into a third frying pan or front because everyone's

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<v Speaker 1>gotten out of hot. You've had that tremendous battle sequence

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<v Speaker 1>with all of its ins and outs. Then you have

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<v Speaker 1>the asteroid field, and then what happens next is, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it comes from an entirely different direction. Well, that's one

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<v Speaker 1>of the great things about the story structure of the

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<v Speaker 1>Empire Strikes Back is that you know you're cutting between

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<v Speaker 1>the different characters and the things they're doing. But when

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<v Speaker 1>you're with han Leia Chewi and c three p O,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just one frying pan to another. Every time they

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<v Speaker 1>get to a new place, they think that they're finally

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<v Speaker 1>safe now, but then they realize that the floor is

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<v Speaker 1>teflon and things start heating up and it's just on

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<v Speaker 1>to the next crisis. But in this cave we get

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<v Speaker 1>some creature encounters. So first the Millennium falcon is swarmed

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<v Speaker 1>by a flock of nasty winged creatures with ring shaped

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<v Speaker 1>sucker mouths and there they look sort of like sulfurous

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<v Speaker 1>leech bats. These are called minox Han and Chewy seem

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<v Speaker 1>to be familiar with them like that they once they

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<v Speaker 1>see them, Hans says, uh, my Knox, yeah, yeah, like

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<v Speaker 1>he talks about them like they're very common nuisance animals

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<v Speaker 1>for space travelers. He says that they're chewing on the

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<v Speaker 1>power cables, like yeah, that's what they always do. And

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<v Speaker 1>so our heroes they leave the ship, they go outside,

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<v Speaker 1>go down the ramp and start walking around outside with

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<v Speaker 1>these little oxygen masks on while they're trying to blast

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<v Speaker 1>the My Knox off. But then they encounter and it's

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<v Speaker 1>another realizing you're actually in another frying pan moment when

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<v Speaker 1>it is revealed that the cave that they're hiding in

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<v Speaker 1>is no cave at all. It is a giant carnivorous

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<v Speaker 1>worm of some kind and they have essentially parked down

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<v Speaker 1>its gullet, and of course there's a great escape sequence

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<v Speaker 1>where they have to rock it out between its closing

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<v Speaker 1>jaws just in time. Is the teeth are coming together? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's a fabulous looking creature to this big alien

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<v Speaker 1>whlish worm monster. Yeah, one of the best, This giant

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<v Speaker 1>worm creature on the asteroid. It is not named in

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<v Speaker 1>the movie. I mean they say what the minox are.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like it's like it's almost as if in Star

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<v Speaker 1>Wars that's like saying, oh rats, we've got rats here,

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<v Speaker 1>we've got my knox, but they never say what this

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<v Speaker 1>thing is. I looked it up and some plenty of

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<v Speaker 1>the Elder of the Galaxy has given its species of designation.

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<v Speaker 1>It is called an exo gorth or alternately a space slug.

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<v Speaker 1>And Robot got some pictures attached here for you to

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<v Speaker 1>look at. Of course, we've seen the movie, so we

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<v Speaker 1>know what it looks like. It's is this giant Uh

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<v Speaker 1>have have to be honest and say, somewhat phallic looking

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<v Speaker 1>worm comes up out of the hole. It's got the

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<v Speaker 1>big jaws clamping after the ship, so it seems to

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<v Speaker 1>be actively wanting to eat the space ship. Uh. And

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<v Speaker 1>then I found another image that I think is from

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<v Speaker 1>one of the Marvel Star Wars comics, and it's a

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<v Speaker 1>panel I I really don't know the context of how

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<v Speaker 1>this happens, but there's a panel in a comic somewhere

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<v Speaker 1>where a star destroyer flies into a giant Exo Gorth's mouth.

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<v Speaker 1>That doesn't look like it's going to end well for

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<v Speaker 1>for anybody involved there, but something that the the the

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<v Speaker 1>the ex it looks like that's that's too big of

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<v Speaker 1>a mouthful. Yeah. Now, there's something very interesting about both

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<v Speaker 1>of these alien species, the Minox and the Exo gorths uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's something that I've actually thought about for a

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<v Speaker 1>long time. I remember having this thought, maybe not when

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<v Speaker 1>I very first saw Star Wars when I was a kid,

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<v Speaker 1>but at some point it occurred to me that these

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<v Speaker 1>are the only aliens I can think of in the

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<v Speaker 1>Star Wars movies that are not found on a planet,

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<v Speaker 1>but in outer space itself, on the barren terrain of

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<v Speaker 1>an asteroid with no atmosphere, living in the vacuum. These

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<v Speaker 1>are vacuum dwellers. Yeah, And I think it was that

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<v Speaker 1>way for a long time. Eventually, they also introduced a

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<v Speaker 1>creature called a purgle that came around. I think it

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<v Speaker 1>was introduced in Star Wars Rebels, one of the animated series,

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<v Speaker 1>and I have a feeling it's going to show up

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<v Speaker 1>in some live action stuff in the near future. But

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<v Speaker 1>they're like a deep space whale like organism with its

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a squid, like a combination between a space

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<v Speaker 1>squid and a space whale. And they're capable of entering

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<v Speaker 1>hyperspace even but they're kind of they have a lot

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<v Speaker 1>in common with the design of the Exo Gorth. They're

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like the noble Exo Gorth. The picture you

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<v Speaker 1>attached looks mad, he's got like the downturned eyebrow. He

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<v Speaker 1>looks like he's he's looking for a fight. Well, they

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<v Speaker 1>they explore this kind of like whale like nature where

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<v Speaker 1>if you're if you're not treating them right, if you're

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<v Speaker 1>abusing them, then yeah, they can be quite dangerous, but

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<v Speaker 1>if you try to understand them, then you realize that

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<v Speaker 1>they have this very passive and beautiful nature. Oh, I

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<v Speaker 1>can see that. So it's like the you know, somebody

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<v Speaker 1>says about the dog, like, oh, he doesn't like strangers,

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<v Speaker 1>but when you warm up to him, you know he's a,

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<v Speaker 1>he's a real cuddlebug. Yeah. So anyway, for this entry

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<v Speaker 1>of our Aliens Star Wars Alien neck Ropsy, I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to to think about the idea of vacuum dwellers as

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<v Speaker 1>a as a proposal as a concept. Uh. Now, Star Wars,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously it is not hard science fiction. You know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not trying to create a scientifically grounded experience. It's a fantasy.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's fine. I mean, you've got no problem at

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<v Speaker 1>all with with soft science fiction and space fantasy. I

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<v Speaker 1>love that stuff. Uh. And there are plenty of elements

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<v Speaker 1>in this sequence that are really nothing like what we'd

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<v Speaker 1>expect to find in reality. So I wanted to mention

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of other examples of that before we get

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<v Speaker 1>back to the idea of a vacuum dwelling organism and

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<v Speaker 1>consider the plausibility of that. One example of how this

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't really resemble reality in any recognizable way is the

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<v Speaker 1>idea of how dense the asteroid belt in the Empire

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<v Speaker 1>strikes back is how it's just crammed with rocks that

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<v Speaker 1>are moving really close to each other and slamming together

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<v Speaker 1>all the time, And how this compares to the one

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<v Speaker 1>example of a real asteroid belt that we know about.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is a standard feature of sci fi movies.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not just Empire strikes back. I mean I think

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of times there are space battles in an

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<v Speaker 1>asteroid belt that is just a mine field, this densely

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<v Speaker 1>packed obstacle course of of giant boulders that are going

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<v Speaker 1>to smash into your ship and kill you. And the

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<v Speaker 1>ships have to frantically dodge around through the slamming rocks

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<v Speaker 1>while they dog fight. Yeah, it's a great sequence, but

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<v Speaker 1>it is just um maddening just how how tired everything is,

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<v Speaker 1>and and it just seems like a complete nightmare that

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<v Speaker 1>anyone would I mean, it seems like it should be

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<v Speaker 1>a Butcher Cassidy and the Sundance Kid kind of moment, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Like why would the Thaie fighters even chase them in there?

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<v Speaker 1>Like how? Because how could you expect to survive unless

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<v Speaker 1>you were like a fourth sensitive pilot of some sort,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, or like the greatest pilot of all time,

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<v Speaker 1>like like a Han Solo. Yeah, they'd be crazy to

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<v Speaker 1>follow us, wouldn't they. And I know when I was

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<v Speaker 1>a kid, I pictured the asteroid belt of our Solar

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<v Speaker 1>system being like this, probably because of especially Empire, but

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<v Speaker 1>more generally movies like this that it's just you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just tight with rocks. But now we know that

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<v Speaker 1>is not the case. I was trying to find what

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<v Speaker 1>is the actual density of the asteroid belt in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of asteroids of an appreciable size. I found an explainer

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<v Speaker 1>about this from Scientific American that's older. It's from nine

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<v Speaker 1>so our our our knowledge might be a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>updated since then. But this, I feel like gives you

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<v Speaker 1>a good idea to asks several experts about this, this

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<v Speaker 1>question of the density of the asteroid belt. First of all,

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<v Speaker 1>there was an interesting story in it that's relayed by

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<v Speaker 1>Tom Garrels of the University of Arizona, who said that quote,

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<v Speaker 1>some scientists were seriously concerned about the possible high density

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<v Speaker 1>of objects in the asteroid belt, which lies between the

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<v Speaker 1>orbits of Mars and Jupiter, when the first robotic spacecraft

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<v Speaker 1>were scheduled to be sent through it. The first crossing

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<v Speaker 1>of the asteroid belt took place in the early nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventies when the Pioneer ten and Pioneer eleven spacecraft journey

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<v Speaker 1>to Jupiter and beyond. The danger lies not in the

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<v Speaker 1>risk of hitting a large object. In fact, such a

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<v Speaker 1>risk as minuscule because there is a tremendou this amount

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<v Speaker 1>of space between Mars and Jupiter, and because the objects

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<v Speaker 1>there are very small in relation. Even though there are

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps a million asteroids larger than one kilometer in diameter,

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<v Speaker 1>the chance of a spacecraft and not getting through the

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<v Speaker 1>asteroid belt is nearly negligible. And then there was an

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<v Speaker 1>updated thought that came in after that from David Morrison

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<v Speaker 1>of NASA AMES who said, quote, there were more than

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<v Speaker 1>a hundred thousand asteroids larger than one kilometer in diameter,

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<v Speaker 1>but these objects are distributed within the huge volume of

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<v Speaker 1>the asteroid belt. Their average spacing is several million kilometers.

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<v Speaker 1>Collisions are thus extremely rare. An average one kilometer asteroid

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<v Speaker 1>suffers one collision every few billion years, or maybe one

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<v Speaker 1>or two collisions over the lifetime of the Solar System.

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<v Speaker 1>The spacing is also so large that seen from one asteroid,

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<v Speaker 1>even the nearest one kilometer asteroid would likely be too

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<v Speaker 1>faint to be visible without a telescope. Uh So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>extreme distances between these objects, not because there aren't a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of objects. There are, but the you know, space

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<v Speaker 1>is gigantic, so the space between them is also gigantic.

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<v Speaker 1>If you were to fly into an asteroid belt, it's

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<v Speaker 1>actually unlikely you would even notice it. You probably wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>see any asteroids while you were flying through it. Though,

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<v Speaker 1>I did think about something that could make another interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure some movie has done this, but it could

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<v Speaker 1>make a different kind of threat of traveling through an

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<v Speaker 1>asteroid belt interesting. I think the more likely risk while

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<v Speaker 1>flying through an asteroid belt is not that you would

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<v Speaker 1>be smashed between giant space rocks while you're trying to

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<v Speaker 1>dodge through them, but the chance that you would hit

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<v Speaker 1>an invisibly tiny micro asteroid at high speed, and it

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<v Speaker 1>would be like a bomb because of the kinetic energy

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<v Speaker 1>of the impact because it's going so fast and you're

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<v Speaker 1>going so fast. Though I guess, of course, it would

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<v Speaker 1>depend on how fast you were going and what angle

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<v Speaker 1>you hit it at relative to its own trajectory. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>a head on collision with a with a tiny asteroid

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<v Speaker 1>could be catast traffic. Yeah, but there's another thing in

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<v Speaker 1>the sequence that doesn't make sense if you try to

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<v Speaker 1>bring hard sci fi rules to it, which is the

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<v Speaker 1>part where they're in the cave and the minox show

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<v Speaker 1>up in that great moment where I think Leiah is

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<v Speaker 1>looking out the window and then suddenly the big sucker

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<v Speaker 1>comes down and got which I was talking to Rachel

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<v Speaker 1>about this earlier this morning, and she says, when she

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<v Speaker 1>saw that part in the theater when the Star Wars

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<v Speaker 1>remasters or remake, not remakes, the whatever you call him.

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<v Speaker 1>The remasters came out in the nineties or the earlier.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess it was the nineties. Yeah, that she just

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<v Speaker 1>like screamed in the theater, just like Bloody Murder screamed. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's startling and gross totally. It's like, it still gets

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<v Speaker 1>me when I watched the movie. It's very suddenly that

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<v Speaker 1>noise it makes. It's like when the head pops out

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<v Speaker 1>of the boat and Jaws, you know, when when Richard

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<v Speaker 1>Dreyfuss is like down in the water looking at it.

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<v Speaker 1>It gets you every time. But anyway, so there's yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the minox come out, and so Han and she we

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<v Speaker 1>and lay a walk outside of the Millennium Falcon in

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<v Speaker 1>their regular clothes wearing little oxygen masks. So this is

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<v Speaker 1>another one of those space fantasy things, because this would

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<v Speaker 1>not work on a real asteroid. The vacuum would kill you.

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<v Speaker 1>Pretty quickly, even if you had a little oxygen mask.

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<v Speaker 1>So I found a good explainer on this. This was

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<v Speaker 1>also a Scientific American article. This was written by Anna

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<v Speaker 1>Goslin in two thousand eight. And of course, one thing

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<v Speaker 1>we should be clear about is that a vacuum, in

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<v Speaker 1>as the term is generally used, is defined as a

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<v Speaker 1>region of space with extremely low gas pressure. Uh. It's

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<v Speaker 1>sort of a conventional definition because even in outer space,

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<v Speaker 1>there's not nothing in space. You're still going to have

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<v Speaker 1>a few random hydrogen atoms floating around and stuff, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's pressure so low that it's negligible. So once you

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<v Speaker 1>walk out of the Millennium Falcon, once you are exposed

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<v Speaker 1>to the low pressure environment of a vacuum of space,

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<v Speaker 1>several things are going to happen pretty quickly. One is

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<v Speaker 1>that because of the lower pressure, gases tend to expand,

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<v Speaker 1>and this includes the gases that are trapped in your body,

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<v Speaker 1>trapped in your lungs. So if you're holding your breath

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<v Speaker 1>or inhaling, this expanding gas is going to cause trauma

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<v Speaker 1>in the lungs, tearing up gas exchange tissues. Also, the

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<v Speaker 1>low pressure will cause water to boil at a lower

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<v Speaker 1>temperature and in the case of a vacuum, this means

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<v Speaker 1>water boils at a temperature lower than your body temperature,

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<v Speaker 1>which translates to swelling in the body, rapid evaporation of

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<v Speaker 1>water vapor from the easiest escape roots in your body,

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<v Speaker 1>and primarily this will be things like the holes in

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<v Speaker 1>your face, like your mouth, nose, and eyes, and this

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<v Speaker 1>rapid boiling off of water will of course cause very

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<v Speaker 1>low temperatures around these holes in your face. I think

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<v Speaker 1>about the way that you know, the rapid evaporation of

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<v Speaker 1>water cools your body through sweat, except take that to

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<v Speaker 1>the extreme, like literally your tongue might freeze. And if

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<v Speaker 1>records of what has happened to animals that are exposed

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<v Speaker 1>to a vacuum or any indication, you also might simultaneously defecate, urinate,

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<v Speaker 1>and projectile vomit. Wow, So even event horizon scaled back

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit on what this would be like. Yes. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>on the other hand, sometimes movies make it look like

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<v Speaker 1>if you were exposed to a vacuum, you would explode,

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<v Speaker 1>and that doesn't seem to be true. It actually does

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<v Speaker 1>seem like you could survive being in a vacuum for

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<v Speaker 1>maybe a few minutes, I mean, it would depend on

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<v Speaker 1>a number of factors, but you could Most people could

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<v Speaker 1>probably survive being exposed to a vacuum for some amount

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<v Speaker 1>of times, like a few minutes, less than five minutes maybe,

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<v Speaker 1>but it would require somebody else who is not exposed

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<v Speaker 1>to a vacuum helping you. Because we have seen this

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<v Speaker 1>in in sci fi. I think that's basically what happens

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<v Speaker 1>in a event horizon. And I think the and yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the Expense has has has explored this as well. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because like one of the reasons you would need somebody

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<v Speaker 1>to help you is that you would you would very

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<v Speaker 1>rapidly lose consciousness. The low pressure would also cause bubbles

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<v Speaker 1>to form in your blood vessels, which would interfere with

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<v Speaker 1>oxygen circulation. And I think the estimate is that this

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<v Speaker 1>leads to rapid unconsciousness, probably in something like ten to

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen seconds after you're exposed to the vacuum, and then

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<v Speaker 1>so you lose consciousness, you probably collapse and it would

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<v Speaker 1>go on to kill you within a few minutes if

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<v Speaker 1>you're not repressurized. This article by Anna Gosline shares a

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<v Speaker 1>story of a human who actually survived vacuum exposure. So

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to read this part quote. In nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty five, a technician inside a vacuum chamber at Johnson

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<v Speaker 1>Space Center in Houston accidentally depressurized his space suit by

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<v Speaker 1>disrupting a hose. After twelve to fifteen seconds, he lost consciousness.

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<v Speaker 1>He regained it at twenty seven seconds after his suit

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<v Speaker 1>was re pressurized to about half that of sea level.

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<v Speaker 1>The man reported that his last memory before blacking out

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<v Speaker 1>was of the moisture on his tongue beginning to boil,

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<v Speaker 1>as well as a loss of taste sensation that lingered

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<v Speaker 1>for four days following the incident. So all that to say,

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<v Speaker 1>Han Chewy and Leiah, these are experienced space travelers. They

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<v Speaker 1>would know better than to try to walk out into

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<v Speaker 1>the vacuum of space without a pressure suit. Now, I

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<v Speaker 1>want to be fair. I have seen some righteous nerds

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<v Speaker 1>on the Internet arguing that, well, maybe because we we

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<v Speaker 1>now we know from what happens later in the movie,

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<v Speaker 1>that actually they were not in a cave on an asteroid.

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<v Speaker 1>They were in the exo Gorth's gullet. And maybe the

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<v Speaker 1>exo Gorth's gullet creates its own pressurized atmosphere. And okay,

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<v Speaker 1>let's say I grant that. Uh. Maybe, but I thought

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<v Speaker 1>the whole point was that they thought they were in

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<v Speaker 1>a cave on an asteroid, not in the belly of

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<v Speaker 1>a giant worm. So it doesn't seem like they would

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<v Speaker 1>go outside without a pressure suit. Yeah. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess if maybe they're like the ship's readings were like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't actually need a suit to go outside in

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<v Speaker 1>this this weird cave, and they're like, Okay, that's fine. Cool.

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<v Speaker 1>They really wasn't thinking about it that hard, Like they

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<v Speaker 1>weren't asking, well, why would that be? Why would a

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<v Speaker 1>cave that it's supposedly open to the to the void

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<v Speaker 1>have these unique conditions? Um? But I guess if I

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<v Speaker 1>was gonna play Devil's advocate and try and like sort

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<v Speaker 1>of stitch everything together, I could and then maybe, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe this giant space slug. Uh. It's it's gastric environment

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<v Speaker 1>closely mimics a terrestrial world and just you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>atmosphere is a little off. Um, I don't know, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>or maybe that's maybe that's so one of the ways

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<v Speaker 1>that it gets its its food right, it just waits

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<v Speaker 1>for spaceships to land inside its belly. And uh. And

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<v Speaker 1>since spaceships are hard to digest. It needs to have

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<v Speaker 1>an inviting environment that lures the precious meat beings out

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<v Speaker 1>of the spaceship, right, Yeah, it gets gets gets them

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<v Speaker 1>out there. I mean, it does have fog rolling around,

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<v Speaker 1>so it almost looks like you're out on the moor

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<v Speaker 1>once you leave spaceship. I wonder also how fog rolling

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<v Speaker 1>around would work in a vacuum. It doesn't seem very

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<v Speaker 1>vacuum like. It's almost as if they weren't really thinking

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<v Speaker 1>of it and in pure physical terms as a vacuum,

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<v Speaker 1>which would make a lot of sense. Again, because this

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<v Speaker 1>is space fantasy, I just wanted to say also, I

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<v Speaker 1>I found a picture on the Internet of the model

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<v Speaker 1>of the the giant exit Worth's teeth while it was

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<v Speaker 1>being created along with the I l M model maker

0:23:25.640 --> 0:23:28.840
<v Speaker 1>Lauren Peterson inside the mouth looking at it, and he

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<v Speaker 1>just looks just exploding with joy while chasing at the

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<v Speaker 1>teeth he has created. He kind of he also in

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<v Speaker 1>this picture he's got long hair and a big beard.

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<v Speaker 1>He almost looks like a human ewalk. Yeah. I love

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<v Speaker 1>looking at these old photos of these like these these

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<v Speaker 1>seventies guys working on these models for this, uh, for

0:23:49.680 --> 0:23:52.200
<v Speaker 1>for these films. It's pretty great. But yeah, it's pure

0:23:52.280 --> 0:24:00.800
<v Speaker 1>joy on this NaN's face. Than I wanted to come

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<v Speaker 1>back to the question that I brought up earlier about

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<v Speaker 1>the vacuum dwellers. When we imagine finding alien life forms,

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<v Speaker 1>not in space fantasy, but in reality. Of course, we

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<v Speaker 1>always imagine finding them on a planet, a planet with

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<v Speaker 1>an atmosphere. But I was wondering, is it biochemically and

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<v Speaker 1>evolutionarily conceivable that there could be such thing as an

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<v Speaker 1>alien dwelling directly within the void, within the you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the howling emptiness of space. Could there be creatures of

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<v Speaker 1>the vacuum? And so I was looking around trying to

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<v Speaker 1>find some good sources on this. I didn't come across

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<v Speaker 1>any like direct scientific papers, though, if any listeners know

0:24:41.840 --> 0:24:43.360
<v Speaker 1>of any that I couldn't find and want to send

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<v Speaker 1>in my way, please do. The best thing I came

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<v Speaker 1>across was actually an interesting BBC article from sixteen by

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<v Speaker 1>the science writer Philip Ball, one of my my favorite

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<v Speaker 1>science writers, who wrote probably the best book I've ever

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<v Speaker 1>read on quantum physics, which is called Beyond Weird. I

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<v Speaker 1>wreck commended it, uh. I think A couple of years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>during a summer reading episode. But in this article, Ball

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<v Speaker 1>starts off by pointing to a study published in the

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<v Speaker 1>journal Science by Cornelia Minair at All. Mine Air is

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<v Speaker 1>a professor at the University of Nice in France, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's a study called ribos and related sugars from ultra

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<v Speaker 1>violet Irradiation of Interstellar ice analogs. And so to read

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<v Speaker 1>from the summary from from the journal Science on this quote,

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<v Speaker 1>Astrobiologists have long speculated on the origin of prebiotic molecules

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<v Speaker 1>such as amino acids and sugars. Mine art at All

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<v Speaker 1>demonstrated that numerous prebiotic molecules can be formed in an

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<v Speaker 1>interstellar analog sample containing a mixture of simple ices of water, methanol,

0:25:48.680 --> 0:25:52.720
<v Speaker 1>and ammonia. They irradiated the sample with ultra violet light

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<v Speaker 1>under conditions similar to those expected during the formation of

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<v Speaker 1>the Solar system. This yielded a wide variety of sugars,

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<v Speaker 1>including ribos, a major constituent of ribonucleic acid or RNA.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course, as we've discussed on the show before,

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<v Speaker 1>RNA is one of the important, uh you know, long

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<v Speaker 1>organic molecules that is considered a possible precursor of the

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<v Speaker 1>original formation of life on Earth the first cell, and

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<v Speaker 1>of course RNA is used is used in life forms today,

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<v Speaker 1>it's in the cells in your body. And this is

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<v Speaker 1>not the only study of this kind showing that some

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<v Speaker 1>molecules important to the formation of a biological sphere, such

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<v Speaker 1>as sugars and amino acids, can be formed in space,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe even just on little tiny grains of ice floating

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<v Speaker 1>around in space by themselves, not on a planet at all,

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<v Speaker 1>that they can be formed in these types of scenarios

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<v Speaker 1>by radiation acting on precursor compounds. So another example would

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<v Speaker 1>be that um researchers for decades have have found evidence

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<v Speaker 1>of amino acids in meteorites that apparently these amino acids

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<v Speaker 1>were formed in deep space, and the Rosetta mission which

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<v Speaker 1>intercepted a comet was a comet six in space. In

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<v Speaker 1>the Rosetta orbiter detected the presence of the amino acid glycine,

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<v Speaker 1>along with methylamine and ethylamine from a spectrometry reading of

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<v Speaker 1>the of the comet. So it's possible that important molecules

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<v Speaker 1>and molecules that are necessary for the early stages of

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<v Speaker 1>chemical evolution before the formation of the first cell were

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<v Speaker 1>not formed on Earth, but in space and then somehow

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<v Speaker 1>delivered to Earth, maybe on the backs of icy comets

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<v Speaker 1>that smashed into the Earth's surface when the planet was young.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course this is all hypothetical. We still don't

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<v Speaker 1>know for sure how the first life on Earth came

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<v Speaker 1>to be. We actually talked about one very interesting model

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<v Speaker 1>of this on a recent episode, the one we did

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<v Speaker 1>about the Nile Inundation, where we discussed the idea that

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<v Speaker 1>the first cells might have been created by the presence

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<v Speaker 1>of pre biotic molecules like lipids and nucleic acids in

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<v Speaker 1>areas on the surface of the Earth that are repeatedly

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<v Speaker 1>subjected to wet dry cycles. And if you want the

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<v Speaker 1>details on on the reasoning behind that, you can go

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<v Speaker 1>back and listen to that episode. What was it called,

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<v Speaker 1>I believe the title we went with was the Nile

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<v Speaker 1>Inundation God's Water in Life, because there's a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of mythology in there, but also just a lot about

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<v Speaker 1>the the the annual flooding of the Nile and how

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<v Speaker 1>it factors into the environment and the history of the region. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So we don't know how for sure how it happened,

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<v Speaker 1>but the process of chemical evolution leading from those organic

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<v Speaker 1>molecules to the formation of the first cell, meaning a

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<v Speaker 1>cell capable of replication and metabolism. That's generally assumed to

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<v Speaker 1>have happened somewhere on Earth or in a or on

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<v Speaker 1>another planet like Mars maybe, and then seated to Earth

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<v Speaker 1>through some kind of collision and travel of rocks through space,

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<v Speaker 1>and that could be in hydrothermal vents or in puddles

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<v Speaker 1>or what have you. But it's usually assumed to have

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<v Speaker 1>happened on Earth. But Philip Ball rights quote, there is

0:29:00.320 --> 0:29:04.520
<v Speaker 1>a more intriguing possibility. Life itself might not have needed

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<v Speaker 1>a warm and comfortable planet bathed in sunlight to get going.

0:29:08.360 --> 0:29:13.080
<v Speaker 1>If the raw ingredients were already out there in interplanetary limbo.

0:29:13.320 --> 0:29:18.480
<v Speaker 1>Might life have started there too? Interesting question? And of

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<v Speaker 1>course there's another question, which is a follow up. If

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<v Speaker 1>it were possible for life to form in space rather

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<v Speaker 1>than on a planet, would it also be possible to

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<v Speaker 1>for that life to evolve into complex forms out there

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<v Speaker 1>in space? Um. Now, there are some reasons that this

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<v Speaker 1>does seem unlikely on its face, So a bunch of

0:29:38.600 --> 0:29:41.560
<v Speaker 1>Philip Ball's article ends up focusing on ways that alien

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<v Speaker 1>life forms could have the benefits of a home planet

0:29:44.440 --> 0:29:48.280
<v Speaker 1>while existing in interstellar space, and the primary idea he

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<v Speaker 1>explores here is life on rogue planets, meaning planets that

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<v Speaker 1>are ejected from their solar systems and float through the

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<v Speaker 1>interstellar void alone or maybe with some moons in tone

0:30:00.280 --> 0:30:03.600
<v Speaker 1>uh and you you might think that without a home star,

0:30:04.360 --> 0:30:08.080
<v Speaker 1>these worlds would be guaranteed to be barren, But internal

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<v Speaker 1>heating from residual formation heat and radioactive elements in the core,

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<v Speaker 1>and possible title interactions with the moons that are along

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<v Speaker 1>for the ride, this could possibly be enough to sustain

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<v Speaker 1>a biosphere, perhaps in an iced over ocean. But this

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<v Speaker 1>isn't really what we're talking about, right We're we're looking

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<v Speaker 1>for something that could live in space itself, or on

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<v Speaker 1>the surface of an asteroid exposed to the vacuum where

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<v Speaker 1>there's no atmosphere, no ocean, just the raw hell of

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<v Speaker 1>the infinite. Now and exploring this part of the article,

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<v Speaker 1>Ball notes something that I had read about before, but

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<v Speaker 1>I had forgotten about until I was reading this, which

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<v Speaker 1>is that um the astronomer Fred Hoyle, who did a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of important work in in twentieth century astronomy, but

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<v Speaker 1>now is probably best remembered in the popular consciousness for

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<v Speaker 1>coining the term Big Bang, which he meant as an insult,

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<v Speaker 1>like a ridicule of the theory, because he was a

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<v Speaker 1>supporter of the steady state theory of the universe, which

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<v Speaker 1>is now known to be wrong, like the the We

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<v Speaker 1>know that the universe is thirteen point eight billion years old,

0:31:10.160 --> 0:31:13.120
<v Speaker 1>and and we called the process of expansion leading to

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<v Speaker 1>the universe we know today the Big Bang. After this,

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<v Speaker 1>after this negative appellation from Hoyle, But anyway, Hoyle actually

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<v Speaker 1>wrote a science fiction novel that was published in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>fifty nine called The Black Cloud, and supposedly it's quite good,

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<v Speaker 1>though I've never read it. But the premise is that

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<v Speaker 1>there is a giant cloud of intelligent gas that floats

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<v Speaker 1>around through outer space, and when it encounters Earth, it

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<v Speaker 1>sort of doesn't know what to make of life that

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<v Speaker 1>inhabits a planet, and it becomes a threat to us.

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<v Speaker 1>But Hoyle did not have a plausible theory for how

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<v Speaker 1>a such a sentient space gas would would come to evolve.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's just a mystery in the book. But

0:31:54.840 --> 0:31:57.920
<v Speaker 1>Ball looks at this question of what the chemical basis

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<v Speaker 1>of space based life could be and concludes that despite

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<v Speaker 1>the difficulties of the environment, it seems like carbon molecules

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<v Speaker 1>are still probably the best bet for creating biology. The

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<v Speaker 1>most common alternative put forward to carbon based biology is

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<v Speaker 1>silicon and I will know that when I looked up

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<v Speaker 1>the the exo gorth on Wikipedia. Wikipedia tells me that

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<v Speaker 1>the exo go is a silicon based life form. And also,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that in addition to eating humans and spaceships

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff, it eats rocks, you know, eats the minerals

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<v Speaker 1>of asteroids. So I think it's the case it's supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to have like a mineral and energy diet that perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>occasionally supplements. But you know, another thing I was thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about is that, Okay, two things. I guess on one level,

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<v Speaker 1>it could be eat biting at a spaceship just because

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<v Speaker 1>it's there, or out of defense, it doesn't really want

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<v Speaker 1>to eat it, you know, in the same way that

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<v Speaker 1>you'll have animals in the wild that will attempt to

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<v Speaker 1>take a bite out of something, you know, defensively even

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<v Speaker 1>if it's not part of their diet. But also the

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<v Speaker 1>curious mouth. Yeah so, but but here's another thing. If

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<v Speaker 1>the inside of the the of the creature here is

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<v Speaker 1>essentially an ecosystem um. Is it possible that it it

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<v Speaker 1>is like grabbing things in order to sort of not

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<v Speaker 1>feed itself, but to supply and feed the ecosystem within it,

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<v Speaker 1>And then it somehow gets so much sort of residual

0:33:16.120 --> 0:33:20.200
<v Speaker 1>nutrition from that ecosystem, like it kind of has. It's

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<v Speaker 1>almost like a hive maintaining a um like like a

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<v Speaker 1>domestic crop within itself, except its domestic crop is just

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<v Speaker 1>like this swampy world. Oh my god. So when it

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<v Speaker 1>eats a millennium falcon, that's like it's poop yogurt, like

0:33:34.080 --> 0:33:39.480
<v Speaker 1>the probiotics stuff it's trying to supply its interior mine

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<v Speaker 1>ox and like the mossy organisms that line its gullet

0:33:42.800 --> 0:33:45.280
<v Speaker 1>and produce all that fog we see with some nice

0:33:45.280 --> 0:33:48.360
<v Speaker 1>power cables to chew on and and I guess presumably

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<v Speaker 1>humans to feast on whenever they die. Yeah, maybe it

0:33:51.080 --> 0:33:53.640
<v Speaker 1>feeds on swamp fog. And but it needs a you know,

0:33:53.920 --> 0:33:56.600
<v Speaker 1>a ripe swamp environment there, and occasionally, yeah, it needs

0:33:56.600 --> 0:33:58.880
<v Speaker 1>some needs some new stuff to add to the to

0:33:59.000 --> 0:34:01.800
<v Speaker 1>the genetic pool. You're so good at world building. This

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<v Speaker 1>is this is great a future Star Wars writers, I

0:34:04.760 --> 0:34:08.000
<v Speaker 1>hope you're taking notes. But anyway, So back to Philip

0:34:08.000 --> 0:34:11.399
<v Speaker 1>Ball's article. So he he echoes the sentiments of many

0:34:11.480 --> 0:34:15.080
<v Speaker 1>experts I've read who have deep familiarity with chemistry, who

0:34:15.200 --> 0:34:19.480
<v Speaker 1>generally say that carbon is just so much better at

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<v Speaker 1>building complex molecules than silicon. Uh, silicon really does not

0:34:23.960 --> 0:34:26.800
<v Speaker 1>seem like a very good candidate for creating life. Again,

0:34:26.840 --> 0:34:30.200
<v Speaker 1>maybe our imagination is being limited in some way, but

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<v Speaker 1>but it really looks like carbon is the good stuff

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<v Speaker 1>if if we're fine, if we're gonna find life elsewhere

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<v Speaker 1>in the universe. A lot of astrobiologists seem to think

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<v Speaker 1>that carbon is just the way it's going to be.

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<v Speaker 1>For example, Ball quotes an astrobiologist named Charles Cockle of

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<v Speaker 1>the University of Edinburgh who thinks that, yeah, alien life

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<v Speaker 1>could be very different. Maybe there's a lot that is

0:34:50.960 --> 0:34:53.560
<v Speaker 1>hard for us to imagine, but that whatever it is,

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to be carbon based, and it's going to

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<v Speaker 1>require water, and that this will be a universal norm

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<v Speaker 1>no matter what plan it or part of space you're on. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And he does he does admit quote, I have a

0:35:04.440 --> 0:35:09.160
<v Speaker 1>quite conservative view, which science generally proves is misguided. But

0:35:09.280 --> 0:35:12.839
<v Speaker 1>he he holds the view. Nonetheless, so when looking for

0:35:12.920 --> 0:35:16.120
<v Speaker 1>carbon molecules to form the precursors to life, we already

0:35:16.120 --> 0:35:19.160
<v Speaker 1>know that a substantial number of them can be and

0:35:19.280 --> 0:35:22.840
<v Speaker 1>are readily formed in the vacuum and in deep space.

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<v Speaker 1>As we mentioned already, both sugars and amino acids. We

0:35:26.640 --> 0:35:29.120
<v Speaker 1>have evidence that both of these things can be formed

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<v Speaker 1>outside the environment of a planet, maybe on the surface

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<v Speaker 1>of a comet or just an ice grain floating around

0:35:35.000 --> 0:35:38.040
<v Speaker 1>in a dust cloud in space. And of course, you know,

0:35:38.080 --> 0:35:41.239
<v Speaker 1>amino acids are the building blocks of proteins. These sugars

0:35:41.280 --> 0:35:45.120
<v Speaker 1>like ribos or important ingredients in forming nucleic acids. So

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<v Speaker 1>uh so, like this is the stuff you would need.

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<v Speaker 1>And typically these things are formed through simple chemical and

0:35:52.360 --> 0:35:57.160
<v Speaker 1>photochemical processes. So Ball mentions a typical chemical reaction called

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<v Speaker 1>Strekker synthesis that could be responsed well for the formation

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<v Speaker 1>of amino acids in space, but also that these things

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<v Speaker 1>can be formed by exposure of precursor chemicals to radiation,

0:36:07.480 --> 0:36:10.920
<v Speaker 1>typically ultra violet light. Now this part I thought was interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Ball rights quote. It looks at first as though these

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<v Speaker 1>reactions should not take place in deepest space without a

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<v Speaker 1>source of heat or light to drive them. Molecules encountering

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<v Speaker 1>one another in frigid dark conditions do not have enough

0:36:25.440 --> 0:36:28.759
<v Speaker 1>energy to get a chemical reaction started. It's as if

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<v Speaker 1>they run into a barrier that is too high for

0:36:31.120 --> 0:36:34.360
<v Speaker 1>them to jump over. However, in the nineteen seventies, the

0:36:34.440 --> 0:36:39.480
<v Speaker 1>Soviet chemist Vitality golden Sky showed otherwise, some chemicals could

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<v Speaker 1>react even when chilled to just four degrees above absolute zero,

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<v Speaker 1>which is about as cold as space gets. They just

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<v Speaker 1>needed a bit of help from high energy radiation such

0:36:50.400 --> 0:36:54.440
<v Speaker 1>as gamma rays or electron beams like the cosmic rays

0:36:54.560 --> 0:36:57.719
<v Speaker 1>that whiz through all of space. And so maybe there

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<v Speaker 1>is some hope for for deep space stimulation of the

0:37:00.960 --> 0:37:04.239
<v Speaker 1>chemical reactions that lead to life given these types of

0:37:04.239 --> 0:37:08.520
<v Speaker 1>inputs like like gamma rays or cosmic rays. Given these

0:37:08.520 --> 0:37:11.880
<v Speaker 1>inputs which are possible in outer space, Goldanski found evidence

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<v Speaker 1>that some long chain molecules could form, such as formaldehyde

0:37:16.520 --> 0:37:20.520
<v Speaker 1>chains that are several hundred molecules long. But there's a

0:37:20.600 --> 0:37:24.440
<v Speaker 1>there's a catch. There's the downside. While space can form

0:37:24.560 --> 0:37:29.279
<v Speaker 1>these precursor molecules, the molecules encounter another problem, which is

0:37:29.440 --> 0:37:33.200
<v Speaker 1>continued exposure to the same radiation sources that formed them

0:37:33.200 --> 0:37:36.200
<v Speaker 1>in the first place. Ball sides uh this this guy

0:37:36.280 --> 0:37:39.960
<v Speaker 1>Charles Cockle again saying that they are just as likely

0:37:40.040 --> 0:37:43.520
<v Speaker 1>to smash molecules as they are to form them. Potential

0:37:43.600 --> 0:37:48.240
<v Speaker 1>biomolecules progenitors of proteins and RNA say, would be broken

0:37:48.280 --> 0:37:51.920
<v Speaker 1>apart faster than they were being produced. And to come

0:37:51.960 --> 0:37:54.160
<v Speaker 1>back to the Nile episode, this reminds me of what

0:37:54.200 --> 0:37:57.680
<v Speaker 1>we talked about in that episode with theories about the

0:37:57.680 --> 0:38:00.440
<v Speaker 1>formation of life on Earth and the role of water,

0:38:00.600 --> 0:38:04.839
<v Speaker 1>because again, water would play this stimulating and destructive role

0:38:05.040 --> 0:38:08.120
<v Speaker 1>in the in the early chemical evolution of life. Water

0:38:08.200 --> 0:38:11.680
<v Speaker 1>is a key ingredient in Earth based models of chemical evolution,

0:38:11.800 --> 0:38:16.800
<v Speaker 1>but it also easily destroys the delicate organic molecules it creates,

0:38:16.840 --> 0:38:19.680
<v Speaker 1>and that's one of the reasons that it's been hypothesized

0:38:19.719 --> 0:38:22.719
<v Speaker 1>that there are these wet dry cycles that Uh that

0:38:22.760 --> 0:38:25.600
<v Speaker 1>would have allowed the first cells to come together. So

0:38:25.719 --> 0:38:29.440
<v Speaker 1>ultimately that the experts that Ball consults here seem to

0:38:29.440 --> 0:38:32.919
<v Speaker 1>think it's pretty unlikely that we would see in these

0:38:33.000 --> 0:38:36.240
<v Speaker 1>really cold environments in deep space, like on the surfaces

0:38:36.280 --> 0:38:39.760
<v Speaker 1>of ice creams. Even though these precursor molecules to life

0:38:39.800 --> 0:38:43.279
<v Speaker 1>can be formed, it seems unlikely that these environments would

0:38:43.360 --> 0:38:47.040
<v Speaker 1>form enough complex molecules and have them survive long enough

0:38:47.080 --> 0:38:51.560
<v Speaker 1>to kick off chemical evolution and really really bring together

0:38:51.680 --> 0:38:55.160
<v Speaker 1>space based life. But I want to get into another

0:38:55.160 --> 0:38:57.439
<v Speaker 1>option in just a second here that could explain where

0:38:57.520 --> 0:39:00.520
<v Speaker 1>something like this organism comes from. But before that, I

0:39:00.560 --> 0:39:04.520
<v Speaker 1>was just wondering also, like, Okay, why the complex morphology

0:39:04.520 --> 0:39:07.520
<v Speaker 1>of the exo coreth Uh? You know? Complex? More So,

0:39:07.600 --> 0:39:09.600
<v Speaker 1>it's got like a body with different parts like the

0:39:09.640 --> 0:39:12.000
<v Speaker 1>animals we see on Earth. It's got a mouth with teeth,

0:39:12.040 --> 0:39:14.400
<v Speaker 1>and it's got something that looked like little eyes talks,

0:39:14.719 --> 0:39:16.600
<v Speaker 1>and it's got a head and a tail, and it's

0:39:16.600 --> 0:39:21.719
<v Speaker 1>it's very differentiated. Uh. Complex morphology arises on Earth, I

0:39:21.760 --> 0:39:25.759
<v Speaker 1>think as a reaction to complex environments. Right, Like if

0:39:25.800 --> 0:39:28.000
<v Speaker 1>you look at all the body parts on an animal,

0:39:28.719 --> 0:39:32.120
<v Speaker 1>these are parts that have arisen in response to different

0:39:32.200 --> 0:39:36.839
<v Speaker 1>qualities and challenges of the environment in which the animal evolved.

0:39:37.000 --> 0:39:39.440
<v Speaker 1>Animals need to I mean not all animals. I guess

0:39:39.480 --> 0:39:42.520
<v Speaker 1>there were sessile animals, but most animals that move they've

0:39:42.520 --> 0:39:44.840
<v Speaker 1>had these different parts because they need to move around

0:39:44.960 --> 0:39:47.800
<v Speaker 1>and do different types of things. They have different types

0:39:47.800 --> 0:39:51.760
<v Speaker 1>of predators and prey, etcetera. The asteroid in the Empire

0:39:51.760 --> 0:39:54.160
<v Speaker 1>strikes Back does not seem to me to be a

0:39:54.160 --> 0:39:58.080
<v Speaker 1>complex environment, like so if anything was living there in reality,

0:39:58.520 --> 0:40:00.960
<v Speaker 1>I feel like I could more easily imagine a sort

0:40:01.000 --> 0:40:05.120
<v Speaker 1>of map of bacteria just harvesting radiation on the surface

0:40:05.160 --> 0:40:09.240
<v Speaker 1>of the asteroid rather than rather than like a complex,

0:40:09.320 --> 0:40:13.440
<v Speaker 1>differentiated large animal. But that that makes me think, well,

0:40:13.600 --> 0:40:17.239
<v Speaker 1>what if these organisms didn't first evolve in space? But

0:40:17.360 --> 0:40:21.000
<v Speaker 1>this is this is sort of a transplant operation. Yeah,

0:40:21.040 --> 0:40:23.759
<v Speaker 1>this would seem to make more sense, right, Yeah, the

0:40:24.080 --> 0:40:27.600
<v Speaker 1>idea that it's it's worm shaped because this worm shape

0:40:27.640 --> 0:40:30.600
<v Speaker 1>that it has once served it well in a non

0:40:30.680 --> 0:40:34.960
<v Speaker 1>asteroid environment exactly. So, I think all of our listeners

0:40:35.000 --> 0:40:38.040
<v Speaker 1>now probably know about the animal I'm about to bring up,

0:40:38.040 --> 0:40:42.040
<v Speaker 1>but but it's worth revisiting the details. The mighty tarte grade,

0:40:42.200 --> 0:40:46.960
<v Speaker 1>also known as the water bearer, a truly all inspiring organism. Yeah,

0:40:46.960 --> 0:40:51.120
<v Speaker 1>they're they're absolutely incredible. Tarte Grades are animals. They're not

0:40:51.200 --> 0:40:54.520
<v Speaker 1>bacteria or fungus. They are animals like us. They're even

0:40:54.600 --> 0:40:58.000
<v Speaker 1>bilateral animals. They have bilateral symmetry like we do. So

0:40:58.040 --> 0:41:02.280
<v Speaker 1>they're not like sponges. But they are extremely tiny tarte

0:41:02.280 --> 0:41:05.480
<v Speaker 1>grades are ubiquitous within Earth's biosphere. You'll find them on

0:41:05.520 --> 0:41:10.319
<v Speaker 1>the highest mountain peaks, in marine caves, in moss in Antarctica.

0:41:10.440 --> 0:41:14.280
<v Speaker 1>They're basically everywhere, and as far as I can find

0:41:14.360 --> 0:41:18.160
<v Speaker 1>evidence of they are the only known animal that has

0:41:18.200 --> 0:41:23.440
<v Speaker 1>been documented to survive prolonged exposure to the raw vacuum

0:41:23.480 --> 0:41:27.680
<v Speaker 1>of space, and they do it apparently by taking specific

0:41:27.760 --> 0:41:30.600
<v Speaker 1>steps to avoid some of the nastiness that we talked

0:41:30.600 --> 0:41:33.560
<v Speaker 1>about earlier when we were talking about humans being exposed

0:41:33.600 --> 0:41:35.759
<v Speaker 1>to a vacuum. Now, of course one of their main

0:41:35.840 --> 0:41:39.080
<v Speaker 1>defense mechanisms has got to be just that they're they're

0:41:39.120 --> 0:41:41.879
<v Speaker 1>so cute, Like they imagined that one day they would

0:41:41.880 --> 0:41:44.520
<v Speaker 1>be discovered by humans, and if they were not so cute,

0:41:44.640 --> 0:41:47.920
<v Speaker 1>we would not take so kindly to to uh to

0:41:48.000 --> 0:41:50.399
<v Speaker 1>finding out that this is really their planet and we're

0:41:50.440 --> 0:41:53.880
<v Speaker 1>just on it um. But they're they're so adorable, you

0:41:53.560 --> 0:41:57.640
<v Speaker 1>you kind of don't get Earth jealous. Yeah, the what

0:41:57.840 --> 0:42:01.560
<v Speaker 1>was the German description that the decline uh vassa baron

0:42:02.239 --> 0:42:05.760
<v Speaker 1>the tiny water bears, yeah, or the little moss piglets

0:42:05.800 --> 0:42:09.319
<v Speaker 1>some people. Yeah, they look like across I think I've

0:42:09.360 --> 0:42:12.239
<v Speaker 1>seen somewhere described as a cross between a caterpillar and

0:42:12.280 --> 0:42:14.960
<v Speaker 1>a teddy bear. That's pretty accurate. I keep seeing them

0:42:15.000 --> 0:42:18.880
<v Speaker 1>pop up in animated shows recently. Really. Yeah. I just

0:42:19.000 --> 0:42:21.960
<v Speaker 1>was watching the show with the Fam and there was

0:42:22.000 --> 0:42:25.200
<v Speaker 1>a race of creatures in another world that were clearly

0:42:25.239 --> 0:42:28.600
<v Speaker 1>based on on water bears. And then there was another

0:42:28.640 --> 0:42:32.040
<v Speaker 1>cartoon we were watching where they were like futuristic mutated

0:42:32.080 --> 0:42:34.200
<v Speaker 1>water bears that live in the water and if they

0:42:34.280 --> 0:42:36.160
<v Speaker 1>get in the water, you drink the water, then they

0:42:36.160 --> 0:42:39.160
<v Speaker 1>get in your brain and start controlling you stuff like that.

0:42:40.239 --> 0:42:42.399
<v Speaker 1>Clearly they strike a chord. Yeah, I mean there's something

0:42:42.440 --> 0:42:44.439
<v Speaker 1>about the way they look and the way that we've

0:42:44.440 --> 0:42:48.560
<v Speaker 1>already started describing them that, um it lends itself well

0:42:48.600 --> 0:42:52.640
<v Speaker 1>to further imagination. Yeah. So about their hardiness and ability

0:42:52.719 --> 0:42:56.680
<v Speaker 1>to survive, to survive a vacuum. I was reading a

0:42:57.400 --> 0:43:00.600
<v Speaker 1>New York Times article about water bears by corn Melia Dean,

0:43:01.280 --> 0:43:04.400
<v Speaker 1>and this article discusses the tarte grad's ability to survive

0:43:04.520 --> 0:43:08.960
<v Speaker 1>unbelievably harsh environmental conditions. So, if a tartar grade encounters

0:43:09.000 --> 0:43:13.880
<v Speaker 1>extreme drought or sudden changes in temperature or water salinity,

0:43:14.000 --> 0:43:17.160
<v Speaker 1>or other types of environmental threats, the tartar grade can

0:43:17.280 --> 0:43:21.279
<v Speaker 1>enter a kind of hibernation state where it's metabolism throttles

0:43:21.400 --> 0:43:26.200
<v Speaker 1>down to zero point zero one percent of its standard rate,

0:43:26.320 --> 0:43:31.000
<v Speaker 1>so that's one ten thousand of its regular metabolism. During

0:43:31.000 --> 0:43:34.360
<v Speaker 1>this process, almost all of the water content is avoided

0:43:34.440 --> 0:43:37.160
<v Speaker 1>out of the tartar grade's body, and the tartar grade

0:43:37.160 --> 0:43:41.360
<v Speaker 1>curls up into this dehydrated shell state called a ton

0:43:41.680 --> 0:43:46.480
<v Speaker 1>spelled t u n so. Cornelia Deane writes, quote, tons

0:43:46.520 --> 0:43:50.360
<v Speaker 1>can be subjected to atmospheric pressure six hundred times the

0:43:50.400 --> 0:43:53.520
<v Speaker 1>surface of Earth and they will bounce right back. They

0:43:53.520 --> 0:43:56.280
<v Speaker 1>can be chilled to more than three hundred degrees fahrenheit

0:43:56.360 --> 0:43:59.680
<v Speaker 1>below zero for more than a year, no problem. The

0:43:59.719 --> 0:44:03.080
<v Speaker 1>your p and Space Agency once sent tons into space.

0:44:03.600 --> 0:44:08.640
<v Speaker 1>Two thirds survived simultaneous exposure to solar radiation and the

0:44:08.760 --> 0:44:12.200
<v Speaker 1>vacuum of space. This is not something that can be

0:44:12.239 --> 0:44:14.319
<v Speaker 1>said of any other animal that I know about. I

0:44:14.360 --> 0:44:17.239
<v Speaker 1>think this is the only one we're aware of, and

0:44:17.320 --> 0:44:20.880
<v Speaker 1>it really seems like this dehydration is one of the

0:44:20.920 --> 0:44:23.759
<v Speaker 1>main keys to survival in the state, because with all

0:44:23.800 --> 0:44:27.600
<v Speaker 1>the water evacuated, you won't get these rapid boiling and

0:44:27.680 --> 0:44:30.880
<v Speaker 1>freezing effects of water content that can occur in space

0:44:30.920 --> 0:44:33.160
<v Speaker 1>that led to some of the really gross outcomes we

0:44:33.160 --> 0:44:36.040
<v Speaker 1>were talking about earlier. In fact, the evacuation of the

0:44:36.040 --> 0:44:41.840
<v Speaker 1>water content, counterintuitively apparently even affects the Tarte grades ability

0:44:42.000 --> 0:44:46.000
<v Speaker 1>to survive exposure to extreme radiation. You wouldn't think those

0:44:46.040 --> 0:44:49.400
<v Speaker 1>things were correlated, but Dean writes, quote, when cosmic radiation

0:44:49.480 --> 0:44:52.520
<v Speaker 1>hits water in a cell, it produces a highly reactive

0:44:52.560 --> 0:44:55.840
<v Speaker 1>form of oxygen that damages cell d n A. The

0:44:55.960 --> 0:44:59.520
<v Speaker 1>ton doesn't have this problem. Tons have been reconstituted after

0:44:59.560 --> 0:45:02.160
<v Speaker 1>more than a century and brought back to life as

0:45:02.200 --> 0:45:05.480
<v Speaker 1>tartar grades looking not a day older. So no frozen

0:45:05.520 --> 0:45:08.279
<v Speaker 1>tongue for the tartar grade and no radiation damage either.

0:45:09.120 --> 0:45:11.040
<v Speaker 1>So if you're if you're looking for a candidate for

0:45:11.160 --> 0:45:14.280
<v Speaker 1>something that could possibly take hold of life in the void,

0:45:14.320 --> 0:45:16.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying a tart grade could like take up

0:45:16.200 --> 0:45:18.279
<v Speaker 1>life on an asteroid. It seems like eventually it would

0:45:18.320 --> 0:45:21.120
<v Speaker 1>just like its window for life would close. But using

0:45:21.120 --> 0:45:23.480
<v Speaker 1>our imaginations here and this might be trending in the

0:45:23.560 --> 0:45:26.480
<v Speaker 1>right direction, And I want to take it a step further,

0:45:26.880 --> 0:45:30.240
<v Speaker 1>because did you know that there are probably Tarta grades

0:45:30.400 --> 0:45:34.040
<v Speaker 1>on the Moon not native to the Moon. I want

0:45:34.040 --> 0:45:36.799
<v Speaker 1>to be very clear, they're from Earth, but they're on

0:45:36.920 --> 0:45:40.879
<v Speaker 1>the Moon now, possibly still alive, and in this this

0:45:41.000 --> 0:45:44.719
<v Speaker 1>ton state just awaiting the possibility to get splashed with

0:45:44.760 --> 0:45:47.200
<v Speaker 1>water again. Right. So I was reading about this in

0:45:47.239 --> 0:45:50.720
<v Speaker 1>an article on vox by Brian Resnick called Tartar Grades

0:45:50.760 --> 0:45:54.680
<v Speaker 1>the toughest animals on Earth have crash landed on the Moon. Uh.

0:45:54.800 --> 0:45:57.439
<v Speaker 1>This was from twenty nineteen, and it covers the fact

0:45:57.440 --> 0:45:59.560
<v Speaker 1>that I think this is actually drawing from an article

0:45:59.600 --> 0:46:02.160
<v Speaker 1>that was Gulian Wired in twenty nineteen that had some

0:46:02.200 --> 0:46:05.600
<v Speaker 1>interviews with the people involved. But the short version is

0:46:05.640 --> 0:46:08.880
<v Speaker 1>that in April of nineteen, there was a lunar lander

0:46:08.920 --> 0:46:12.120
<v Speaker 1>called a Baracheet, which was scheduled to become the first

0:46:12.320 --> 0:46:16.319
<v Speaker 1>privately funded spacecraft ever to land on the Moon. It

0:46:16.360 --> 0:46:19.280
<v Speaker 1>was originally a competitor for the Google Lunar X Prize,

0:46:19.280 --> 0:46:21.880
<v Speaker 1>with that window had passed, but the mission was still

0:46:21.960 --> 0:46:25.680
<v Speaker 1>scheduled and it was controlled by a group called Israel

0:46:25.760 --> 0:46:28.840
<v Speaker 1>Aerospace Industries that was based out of Yehoo Di Israel,

0:46:29.440 --> 0:46:32.160
<v Speaker 1>and after landing on the surface, it was planned to

0:46:32.360 --> 0:46:37.000
<v Speaker 1>take some readings of the Moon's magnetism, but Unfortunately, there

0:46:37.040 --> 0:46:39.840
<v Speaker 1>was a mission failure. There was a critical computer error

0:46:39.880 --> 0:46:43.160
<v Speaker 1>I think during its descent or before, and the probe

0:46:43.239 --> 0:46:46.239
<v Speaker 1>ended up crash landing on the Moon. And so you

0:46:46.280 --> 0:46:49.600
<v Speaker 1>would think, okay, well the craft was destroyed, end of story.

0:46:49.640 --> 0:46:52.240
<v Speaker 1>But there was something on the craft. There was something

0:46:52.719 --> 0:46:57.000
<v Speaker 1>much of interest aboard. There was a small installation created

0:46:57.000 --> 0:47:01.320
<v Speaker 1>by a group called the arch Mission Foundation, and speaking

0:47:01.360 --> 0:47:05.120
<v Speaker 1>to Daniel Oberhouse of Wired, the group claims that they

0:47:05.160 --> 0:47:09.319
<v Speaker 1>believed their cargo may have survived the crash, and their

0:47:09.360 --> 0:47:12.600
<v Speaker 1>cargo it included several things. I mean, the idea was

0:47:12.640 --> 0:47:15.080
<v Speaker 1>they were trying to send up to the Moon a

0:47:15.200 --> 0:47:19.520
<v Speaker 1>record of Earth civilization that could last for billions of years.

0:47:19.520 --> 0:47:22.560
<v Speaker 1>So maybe like if humanity goes extinct and aliens ever

0:47:22.560 --> 0:47:24.759
<v Speaker 1>get to the Moon, they could find some records of

0:47:24.840 --> 0:47:28.000
<v Speaker 1>Earth from this little from this little installation on this

0:47:28.120 --> 0:47:31.200
<v Speaker 1>lunar lander. And so part of it was a library

0:47:31.200 --> 0:47:34.439
<v Speaker 1>of information that was etched onto a nickel metal disc

0:47:34.600 --> 0:47:38.040
<v Speaker 1>that had like a bunch of English Wikipedia pages and

0:47:38.120 --> 0:47:42.400
<v Speaker 1>some some classic books. But it also had samples of

0:47:42.480 --> 0:47:46.440
<v Speaker 1>human tissue like human blood, and it had tarte grades.

0:47:46.680 --> 0:47:50.600
<v Speaker 1>Oh man, I hope they screenshotted essentially screenshot at Wikipedia

0:47:50.640 --> 0:47:53.640
<v Speaker 1>at a time when there were no like trolley entries

0:47:53.719 --> 0:47:57.200
<v Speaker 1>at a incorrect information because there's a cut off period

0:47:57.239 --> 0:47:59.279
<v Speaker 1>there and now it's it's up there on the moon,

0:47:59.640 --> 0:48:03.280
<v Speaker 1>that's right. Yeah. I wonder how many uh citation needed

0:48:03.360 --> 0:48:06.680
<v Speaker 1>tags the aliens are going to run into. But to

0:48:06.719 --> 0:48:09.920
<v Speaker 1>read from Resinus article here quote, many of those tarte

0:48:09.960 --> 0:48:13.080
<v Speaker 1>grades are coated in a protective resin, much like how

0:48:13.160 --> 0:48:16.840
<v Speaker 1>amber preserves long dead mosquitoes that were once trapped in

0:48:16.920 --> 0:48:19.880
<v Speaker 1>tree sap. According to Wired, a co creator of the

0:48:19.960 --> 0:48:23.439
<v Speaker 1>library believes the disc survived the crash. In the best

0:48:23.480 --> 0:48:28.120
<v Speaker 1>case scenario, Barascheet ejected the Archmission Foundation's Lunar Library during

0:48:28.200 --> 0:48:31.319
<v Speaker 1>impact and it lies in one piece somewhere near the

0:48:31.360 --> 0:48:35.759
<v Speaker 1>crash site. Wired reports, so water bears on the Moon

0:48:35.880 --> 0:48:39.839
<v Speaker 1>at least potentially may maybe still viable. So I would

0:48:39.840 --> 0:48:42.239
<v Speaker 1>say this is still not super plausible if you're if

0:48:42.239 --> 0:48:45.000
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna be really strict about it, But to play

0:48:45.000 --> 0:48:47.000
<v Speaker 1>our hand as far as we can, I'm going to

0:48:47.080 --> 0:48:50.120
<v Speaker 1>say that I think the Exo Gorth was originally some

0:48:50.200 --> 0:48:54.720
<v Speaker 1>type of extremely hardy water bear type creature that crash

0:48:54.880 --> 0:48:58.680
<v Speaker 1>landed via spaceship on an asteroid and a heavily populated

0:48:58.719 --> 0:49:02.680
<v Speaker 1>stretch of space and somehow adapted to the new environment

0:49:02.719 --> 0:49:06.319
<v Speaker 1>over millions of years of evolution. I'm still not quite

0:49:06.320 --> 0:49:09.160
<v Speaker 1>sure how it survives without an atmosphere. That doesn't seem

0:49:09.239 --> 0:49:12.560
<v Speaker 1>very possible, because while the tarte grade can for a while,

0:49:12.719 --> 0:49:16.520
<v Speaker 1>it's only able to survive that through entering this cryptobiotic

0:49:16.640 --> 0:49:20.000
<v Speaker 1>state the ton uh So it's it's harder to imagine

0:49:20.040 --> 0:49:24.240
<v Speaker 1>an organism do in its life and doing full metabolism

0:49:24.480 --> 0:49:29.080
<v Speaker 1>while simultaneously being exposed to the vacuum um. Maybe if

0:49:29.120 --> 0:49:31.200
<v Speaker 1>the exo gorth and the my knock have some kind

0:49:31.200 --> 0:49:34.480
<v Speaker 1>of biology that allows them to live without water content,

0:49:34.560 --> 0:49:37.040
<v Speaker 1>because it seems like one of the main problems with

0:49:37.160 --> 0:49:39.799
<v Speaker 1>being exposed to the vacuum and trying to live is

0:49:39.840 --> 0:49:43.760
<v Speaker 1>that the organisms were thinking of are sort of heterogeneous

0:49:43.880 --> 0:49:47.640
<v Speaker 1>mixtures of different states of matter. They've got some gas contents,

0:49:47.680 --> 0:49:51.400
<v Speaker 1>some liquid content, and some solid content, and that that

0:49:51.640 --> 0:49:54.279
<v Speaker 1>just doesn't all hold together super well when exposed to

0:49:54.320 --> 0:49:57.120
<v Speaker 1>a vacuum. The low pressure messes with your liquid and

0:49:57.120 --> 0:50:00.719
<v Speaker 1>your gas contents. Plus, I mean, I can't honestly say

0:50:00.719 --> 0:50:02.880
<v Speaker 1>that it seems like the exo Gorth in the movie

0:50:02.960 --> 0:50:05.239
<v Speaker 1>is all is purged of water because I think, as

0:50:05.280 --> 0:50:07.680
<v Speaker 1>we mentioned, it's got fog and it's in its belly,

0:50:07.800 --> 0:50:11.239
<v Speaker 1>so yeah, it's very swampy in there. Yeah, it's not

0:50:11.360 --> 0:50:16.640
<v Speaker 1>a dry heat um. You know, it almost as a

0:50:16.640 --> 0:50:18.879
<v Speaker 1>sonotype environment. It would be interesting to see if there

0:50:18.920 --> 0:50:21.680
<v Speaker 1>was like a treatment of this where where one of

0:50:21.719 --> 0:50:25.759
<v Speaker 1>these exo Goths is actually like a vacation destination where

0:50:25.760 --> 0:50:27.879
<v Speaker 1>you you know, you go to just sweat it out.

0:50:29.680 --> 0:50:31.080
<v Speaker 1>But as far as I know that that does not

0:50:31.160 --> 0:50:34.600
<v Speaker 1>currently exist. Another awesome idea that man, they should hire

0:50:34.640 --> 0:50:38.120
<v Speaker 1>you to write one of these upcoming movies. I wouldn't

0:50:38.120 --> 0:50:41.360
<v Speaker 1>go that far um at any rate. The Exo go

0:50:41.680 --> 0:50:45.879
<v Speaker 1>certainly one of the cooler alien monster type species that

0:50:46.160 --> 0:50:49.600
<v Speaker 1>that we discover in the Star Wars movies, and a

0:50:49.640 --> 0:50:52.840
<v Speaker 1>great reveal as well. Always love that scene where you

0:50:52.880 --> 0:50:56.240
<v Speaker 1>finally see the whole thing like just you know, leaping

0:50:56.239 --> 0:50:58.920
<v Speaker 1>out of that hole in the asteroid trying to grab

0:50:58.960 --> 0:51:01.839
<v Speaker 1>the millennium falcon. I love how it bends over as

0:51:01.880 --> 0:51:06.160
<v Speaker 1>it bites. Yeah, and I guess another thing that's wonderful

0:51:06.160 --> 0:51:08.439
<v Speaker 1>about it is that it's not certainly not a cheap

0:51:08.520 --> 0:51:11.480
<v Speaker 1>creation like it has they put a lot of skill

0:51:11.640 --> 0:51:13.880
<v Speaker 1>and a lot of love into creating it. But it

0:51:13.960 --> 0:51:16.120
<v Speaker 1>also kind of looks like an oven mit, you know,

0:51:16.239 --> 0:51:20.400
<v Speaker 1>so it it has this, it's it's basic um body

0:51:20.480 --> 0:51:24.000
<v Speaker 1>shape is uh is a big hand puppet, you know,

0:51:24.360 --> 0:51:27.120
<v Speaker 1>but but they make it into something that is uh

0:51:27.400 --> 0:51:29.759
<v Speaker 1>you know that it goes beyond hand puppets. So I

0:51:29.800 --> 0:51:32.759
<v Speaker 1>don't know, but it's still kind of simultaneously hits both

0:51:32.800 --> 0:51:36.000
<v Speaker 1>those uh uh those frequencies For me, I love it.

0:51:36.040 --> 0:51:40.040
<v Speaker 1>Give me more monsters like that puppets models, uh instead

0:51:40.080 --> 0:51:50.359
<v Speaker 1>of the computer animation. Please. All right, well, I think

0:51:50.360 --> 0:51:54.600
<v Speaker 1>we have time for at least one more uh consideration

0:51:54.680 --> 0:51:58.240
<v Speaker 1>here in the episode. So for my selection for today,

0:51:58.880 --> 0:52:01.080
<v Speaker 1>basically I went to my son and I said, hey,

0:52:01.400 --> 0:52:04.759
<v Speaker 1>Joe and I are doing these episodes on creatures from

0:52:04.800 --> 0:52:08.920
<v Speaker 1>the Star Wars world. What should we cover? And without

0:52:08.960 --> 0:52:12.920
<v Speaker 1>any deliberation, he said, toe grout Is. He's been obsessed

0:52:12.920 --> 0:52:16.360
<v Speaker 1>with toe groot Is over the past year, often discussing

0:52:16.360 --> 0:52:20.359
<v Speaker 1>their key anatomical features, their leak wu and their mon trails. Uh,

0:52:20.600 --> 0:52:23.840
<v Speaker 1>just wondering aloud, what do they feel like? What do

0:52:24.000 --> 0:52:28.759
<v Speaker 1>you know? What is there? How flexible are they? What? Um,

0:52:28.880 --> 0:52:31.800
<v Speaker 1>how do they move? As the as individual toe groutes

0:52:31.840 --> 0:52:34.320
<v Speaker 1>get older and so forth, and so it was a

0:52:34.480 --> 0:52:37.719
<v Speaker 1>very popular discussion area. So I owe it to him

0:52:38.000 --> 0:52:42.319
<v Speaker 1>to consider them. Here. Now are these the creatures? These

0:52:42.320 --> 0:52:45.719
<v Speaker 1>are humanoid creatures, right, so they're they're like sentient humanoid,

0:52:46.200 --> 0:52:49.400
<v Speaker 1>not like some space monster. And they have a kind

0:52:49.440 --> 0:52:52.320
<v Speaker 1>of they have a biological feature that kind of looks

0:52:52.360 --> 0:52:56.520
<v Speaker 1>like a long hat or head dress. Yep, they have Yeah,

0:52:56.520 --> 0:52:59.320
<v Speaker 1>they have these, uh, these appendages on their head that

0:52:59.400 --> 0:53:02.239
<v Speaker 1>do look like head dress and certainly strike that that

0:53:02.360 --> 0:53:06.919
<v Speaker 1>chord when you're looking at them, and they are yeah,

0:53:07.320 --> 0:53:10.120
<v Speaker 1>so basically, yeah, that you have two different sets. So

0:53:10.440 --> 0:53:12.560
<v Speaker 1>you have the man trails and these are two large

0:53:12.640 --> 0:53:15.520
<v Speaker 1>cone like horns on the top of their head, sometimes

0:53:15.520 --> 0:53:18.120
<v Speaker 1>said to be hollow. And then you have the leaku.

0:53:18.400 --> 0:53:22.360
<v Speaker 1>These are three fleshy appendages also called head tails that

0:53:22.440 --> 0:53:27.600
<v Speaker 1>protrude downward, two on either side beneath the montrels, and

0:53:27.800 --> 0:53:30.880
<v Speaker 1>one behind the head. Uh. These are sometimes compared to

0:53:30.920 --> 0:53:34.480
<v Speaker 1>the head appendages of the Twilights, which I believe you're

0:53:34.480 --> 0:53:37.640
<v Speaker 1>familiar with these from Return of the Jedi, Yes, from

0:53:37.719 --> 0:53:41.520
<v Speaker 1>Jab of the Huts, little lackey guy. Yeah. But while

0:53:41.560 --> 0:53:46.319
<v Speaker 1>the leaku of the twilex uh, you know, are are

0:53:46.440 --> 0:53:49.800
<v Speaker 1>supposed to contribute to communication, like they have like subtle

0:53:49.840 --> 0:53:52.400
<v Speaker 1>movements that they make with them. Uh. The Leaku of

0:53:52.480 --> 0:53:56.400
<v Speaker 1>the toe Gruta seem mostly motionless, though with varying degrees

0:53:56.400 --> 0:53:58.920
<v Speaker 1>of rigidity. They might have to do with age or

0:53:59.000 --> 0:54:02.960
<v Speaker 1>environmental conditions or in many cases like what you know,

0:54:03.120 --> 0:54:07.320
<v Speaker 1>what what degree of flexibility is inherent in the makeup,

0:54:07.480 --> 0:54:11.080
<v Speaker 1>special effects or in the computer animations being used. You know,

0:54:11.120 --> 0:54:13.240
<v Speaker 1>this is funny because I was sort of considering picking

0:54:13.239 --> 0:54:16.040
<v Speaker 1>the Twilight actually because I was thinking about, oh, the

0:54:16.640 --> 0:54:18.960
<v Speaker 1>weird like head tails, those things, until I saw you

0:54:19.040 --> 0:54:20.960
<v Speaker 1>had picked this. So I feel like we got our

0:54:21.000 --> 0:54:24.600
<v Speaker 1>head tail bases covered. You're gonna be the Leku and

0:54:24.640 --> 0:54:28.000
<v Speaker 1>Montrale's expert here. I feel like there's a little more

0:54:28.040 --> 0:54:31.560
<v Speaker 1>to talk about with with the tagrudas because you have

0:54:31.880 --> 0:54:35.640
<v Speaker 1>you have these two different features going on. Yeah, so, um,

0:54:35.719 --> 0:54:37.600
<v Speaker 1>in case you don't know, you're not you don't know

0:54:37.719 --> 0:54:40.319
<v Speaker 1>offhand who I'm talking about with the dogrutas, I should

0:54:40.360 --> 0:54:42.839
<v Speaker 1>point out the two most notable togrutas in the Star

0:54:42.840 --> 0:54:47.160
<v Speaker 1>Wars galaxy, both of whom were Jedi. So there's Jedi

0:54:47.200 --> 0:54:51.400
<v Speaker 1>Masters Shocked tie UH hero general of the Clone Wars

0:54:51.600 --> 0:54:55.240
<v Speaker 1>and UH she fought in pivotal battles on Genosis, Camino,

0:54:55.360 --> 0:54:58.239
<v Speaker 1>and Corrassant and served as the Jedi representative on the

0:54:58.239 --> 0:55:00.799
<v Speaker 1>world of Camino. And she was killed at the close

0:55:00.840 --> 0:55:04.960
<v Speaker 1>of the Clone Wars by Darth Vader. But the even

0:55:05.160 --> 0:55:09.280
<v Speaker 1>more famous Uh toe groot of character is Jedi Commander

0:55:09.280 --> 0:55:13.920
<v Speaker 1>as Katano, hero of the Clone Wars, later a rebel operative. UH.

0:55:13.960 --> 0:55:17.400
<v Speaker 1>She was the padawan of Anakin Skywalker. And she was

0:55:17.480 --> 0:55:20.919
<v Speaker 1>voiced by Ashley Extein on the Clone Wars and later

0:55:21.000 --> 0:55:24.359
<v Speaker 1>played in live action by Rossario Dawson. I would say

0:55:24.440 --> 0:55:27.680
<v Speaker 1>she's not only the most beloved Star Wars character of

0:55:27.680 --> 0:55:29.640
<v Speaker 1>the modern era, but probably at this point one of

0:55:29.680 --> 0:55:32.880
<v Speaker 1>the most beloved Star Wars characters of all time. Like,

0:55:32.960 --> 0:55:35.400
<v Speaker 1>she's she's up there? Wait, why do I not know

0:55:35.480 --> 0:55:37.960
<v Speaker 1>this character? What does she? What does she? What properties

0:55:38.040 --> 0:55:40.600
<v Speaker 1>is she from? So she pops up in the Clone

0:55:40.600 --> 0:55:44.200
<v Speaker 1>Wars animated series. Um, the long the long run, not

0:55:44.320 --> 0:55:47.879
<v Speaker 1>the initial one. Um, you know that that was very

0:55:47.920 --> 0:55:51.000
<v Speaker 1>short form. This is the uh, the later one, the

0:55:51.000 --> 0:55:55.920
<v Speaker 1>computer animated version. Oh, I mean I like, I like

0:55:55.960 --> 0:55:58.400
<v Speaker 1>all the the Clone Wars animated, but but yeah, this

0:55:58.400 --> 0:56:01.279
<v Speaker 1>one was was particularly good. Enjoyed going through all that

0:56:01.360 --> 0:56:03.279
<v Speaker 1>with my son over the past years. But yeah, she's

0:56:03.520 --> 0:56:07.880
<v Speaker 1>introduced in that series early on as as Anakin's padawan,

0:56:08.440 --> 0:56:11.440
<v Speaker 1>and you follow her throughout this whole series. She kind

0:56:11.440 --> 0:56:14.640
<v Speaker 1>of grows up and then as you know, as a

0:56:14.640 --> 0:56:17.680
<v Speaker 1>as an adult. She's a character in the Rebels series,

0:56:18.120 --> 0:56:21.320
<v Speaker 1>and she finally popped up as a live action character

0:56:21.840 --> 0:56:24.520
<v Speaker 1>in the second season of The Mandalorian and she's gonna

0:56:24.520 --> 0:56:27.640
<v Speaker 1>have her own spin off series, etcetera. She's in all

0:56:27.680 --> 0:56:30.920
<v Speaker 1>the stuff I haven't seen, right, right, but you know,

0:56:30.960 --> 0:56:33.799
<v Speaker 1>it's just a really well fleshed out character. Um, you know,

0:56:33.880 --> 0:56:37.920
<v Speaker 1>just a strong female character and uh, an alien character

0:56:38.640 --> 0:56:40.319
<v Speaker 1>with a lot of depth to them. You know, so

0:56:40.400 --> 0:56:42.440
<v Speaker 1>often in the Star Wars universe where we're just focusing

0:56:42.480 --> 0:56:45.080
<v Speaker 1>on the human characters amid the aliens, and here we

0:56:45.120 --> 0:56:47.680
<v Speaker 1>have one of the aliens. Yeah, I mean, you gotta

0:56:47.719 --> 0:56:50.160
<v Speaker 1>love Han Solo, Princess Lea and all them, but we've

0:56:50.200 --> 0:56:55.280
<v Speaker 1>got enough humans. I'm gonna have some real creatures as heroes. Yeah,

0:56:55.680 --> 0:56:58.600
<v Speaker 1>So coming back to their biology, Yeah, for the most part,

0:56:58.600 --> 0:57:01.319
<v Speaker 1>they're they're very, very human, but they do have these

0:57:01.360 --> 0:57:05.080
<v Speaker 1>mon trials and the leeku, So what are they doing? What?

0:57:05.320 --> 0:57:08.840
<v Speaker 1>What are they for? Well, as far as the leeku go, again,

0:57:08.880 --> 0:57:12.719
<v Speaker 1>they seem to play a role in communication uh in

0:57:12.840 --> 0:57:15.600
<v Speaker 1>other species, but not so in the toegrew or they

0:57:15.600 --> 0:57:18.240
<v Speaker 1>don't seem to to move around or anything. Now, they

0:57:18.280 --> 0:57:20.640
<v Speaker 1>do seem to grow throughout their life. And there does

0:57:20.680 --> 0:57:23.280
<v Speaker 1>seem to be some degree of sexual dimorphism in that

0:57:23.360 --> 0:57:27.560
<v Speaker 1>they're longer in females than in males. Um. So obviously

0:57:27.960 --> 0:57:30.720
<v Speaker 1>they could have evolved to aid in mate selection to

0:57:30.800 --> 0:57:34.680
<v Speaker 1>communicate fitness to potential mates. Uh. They are quite colorful

0:57:34.680 --> 0:57:37.320
<v Speaker 1>and I cut catching after all. Uh. And you know

0:57:37.360 --> 0:57:40.720
<v Speaker 1>we see this in the wattles of various bird species

0:57:40.760 --> 0:57:43.480
<v Speaker 1>for instance. And uh, I think I think leeku are

0:57:43.520 --> 0:57:47.320
<v Speaker 1>quite comparable to waddles uh in other species like goats, however,

0:57:47.400 --> 0:57:50.400
<v Speaker 1>wattles or castles, as have sometimes known, are generally thought

0:57:50.440 --> 0:57:53.240
<v Speaker 1>to have no purpose. I was reading about this in

0:57:53.280 --> 0:57:57.520
<v Speaker 1>a book book by Sue Weaver titled The Goat Just

0:57:57.560 --> 0:58:00.520
<v Speaker 1>all about goats and how they work? Yea about the

0:58:00.520 --> 0:58:03.360
<v Speaker 1>parts that have no purpose? Yeah, pretty much. It seems

0:58:03.400 --> 0:58:06.200
<v Speaker 1>it seems as if wattles or tassels have no purpose.

0:58:06.200 --> 0:58:08.560
<v Speaker 1>So it's possible that you have this feature in this

0:58:08.680 --> 0:58:12.240
<v Speaker 1>alien humanoid species that ultimately has no purpose. But maybe

0:58:12.360 --> 0:58:15.080
<v Speaker 1>but you know, is a part of of of their

0:58:15.120 --> 0:58:17.560
<v Speaker 1>anatomy and is you know, factored into their own ideas

0:58:17.560 --> 0:58:21.720
<v Speaker 1>of beauty and representation. Now, as for the montrals, we

0:58:21.840 --> 0:58:25.720
<v Speaker 1>have a far more specific purpose in the Star Wars lore. Uh,

0:58:25.760 --> 0:58:29.320
<v Speaker 1>they allow an individual to sense the movement of objects

0:58:29.360 --> 0:58:33.800
<v Speaker 1>around them through echolocation and um in consens up to

0:58:34.120 --> 0:58:38.520
<v Speaker 1>eighty two feet or roughly twenty fives Now. Echolocation is

0:58:38.560 --> 0:58:42.200
<v Speaker 1>of course the location of objects by reflected sound, used

0:58:42.200 --> 0:58:45.640
<v Speaker 1>in a number of terrestrial birds and mammals, either used

0:58:45.640 --> 0:58:47.840
<v Speaker 1>in the hunting of prey or in the navigation of

0:58:47.840 --> 0:58:52.040
<v Speaker 1>their environments such as trees and caves. Um. Now, I

0:58:52.080 --> 0:58:54.440
<v Speaker 1>was looking around it some possible parallels, and I think

0:58:54.480 --> 0:58:58.160
<v Speaker 1>a good comparison for the to gruta might actually be

0:58:58.240 --> 0:59:02.520
<v Speaker 1>the shrew, which uses that colocation quote for habitat assessment

0:59:02.560 --> 0:59:07.600
<v Speaker 1>at close range, according to why do Shrew's twitter communication

0:59:07.800 --> 0:59:12.080
<v Speaker 1>or simple echo based orientation by Siemens at All published

0:59:12.080 --> 0:59:15.120
<v Speaker 1>in the Royal Society Biology Letters from two thousand and nine.

0:59:15.400 --> 0:59:18.160
<v Speaker 1>So again, this would be a situation where the shrew

0:59:18.360 --> 0:59:21.720
<v Speaker 1>or perhaps that took ruta is not using its echolocation

0:59:21.920 --> 0:59:24.200
<v Speaker 1>like say like a bat, you know, to hunt in

0:59:24.240 --> 0:59:27.160
<v Speaker 1>a you know, a nighttime environment. They would be using

0:59:27.160 --> 0:59:31.240
<v Speaker 1>it more as a way to assist in their understanding

0:59:31.280 --> 0:59:34.640
<v Speaker 1>of their immediate environment. Now, okay, so we were with

0:59:35.000 --> 0:59:39.480
<v Speaker 1>these possible echolocation horns again we're talking about the montrels

0:59:39.520 --> 0:59:43.080
<v Speaker 1>on the took rudas. But this actually come brings us

0:59:43.080 --> 0:59:46.640
<v Speaker 1>back to the leak of those uh those those tales

0:59:46.720 --> 0:59:51.160
<v Speaker 1>that are hanging down um because sometimes waddles are used

0:59:51.160 --> 0:59:54.360
<v Speaker 1>by organisms such as the umbrella bird to aid in

0:59:54.400 --> 0:59:58.120
<v Speaker 1>the production of sounds. So perhaps that's what's going on

0:59:58.160 --> 0:59:59.720
<v Speaker 1>with the took root as well. I don't think we

0:59:59.800 --> 1:00:02.160
<v Speaker 1>ever see or hear at too groot of doing this,

1:00:02.840 --> 1:00:06.280
<v Speaker 1>but I was wondering if possibly, like that's the reason

1:00:06.360 --> 1:00:09.840
<v Speaker 1>for this combination of headgear, like the leakup would have

1:00:09.880 --> 1:00:13.040
<v Speaker 1>been used at least originally to create sounds that would

1:00:13.080 --> 1:00:17.240
<v Speaker 1>aid in echolocation that was then picked up by the montrels.

1:00:17.240 --> 1:00:19.800
<v Speaker 1>Oh like you also see I think in some marine mammals,

1:00:19.800 --> 1:00:21.280
<v Speaker 1>like some of the equipment on the front of their

1:00:21.280 --> 1:00:23.480
<v Speaker 1>head is not just used for receiving the sounds, but

1:00:23.560 --> 1:00:27.920
<v Speaker 1>for producing the sounds. Yeah, so so again there's nothing.

1:00:27.960 --> 1:00:30.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't think there's anything in the shows too to

1:00:30.440 --> 1:00:32.960
<v Speaker 1>support this idea. Maybe it's somebody's written about it, uh

1:00:33.480 --> 1:00:35.800
<v Speaker 1>and gone to this this area. I'm not sure, but

1:00:35.920 --> 1:00:37.640
<v Speaker 1>I was thinking, well, okay, on one hand, maybe it's

1:00:37.680 --> 1:00:40.400
<v Speaker 1>simply out of our range of hearing as a supposedly

1:00:40.520 --> 1:00:44.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, human viewer of this space drama. Um. Or

1:00:44.400 --> 1:00:46.040
<v Speaker 1>it could have to do with the fact that the

1:00:46.200 --> 1:00:48.960
<v Speaker 1>two to grooted that we spend the most time with

1:00:49.120 --> 1:00:53.240
<v Speaker 1>our our our fourth sensitive and their Jedi trained, so

1:00:53.680 --> 1:00:56.080
<v Speaker 1>perhaps most of the time they have little use for

1:00:56.200 --> 1:01:01.800
<v Speaker 1>these um more archaic since features, but then again for sensitivity.

1:01:01.840 --> 1:01:03.560
<v Speaker 1>Would you know it would open up a new sense

1:01:03.600 --> 1:01:06.080
<v Speaker 1>realm for an individual, But I don't mean, I don't

1:01:06.120 --> 1:01:08.040
<v Speaker 1>know if that would mean you would just completely abandon

1:01:08.120 --> 1:01:11.720
<v Speaker 1>another sense realm, you know, even if it was decreased

1:01:11.800 --> 1:01:15.880
<v Speaker 1>or or partially um you know, atrophied, uh, you know,

1:01:15.960 --> 1:01:18.840
<v Speaker 1>due to evolution. Well, you know, I think about in

1:01:18.880 --> 1:01:22.320
<v Speaker 1>the very first Star Wars movie, how a large part

1:01:22.360 --> 1:01:24.920
<v Speaker 1>of what the forces shown to do is to aid

1:01:25.000 --> 1:01:27.560
<v Speaker 1>in the guidance of actions without the use of senses.

1:01:27.960 --> 1:01:31.200
<v Speaker 1>So when when Luke is training with Obi Wan Kenobi

1:01:31.280 --> 1:01:33.160
<v Speaker 1>while they're on the way to the Death Star, they

1:01:33.200 --> 1:01:35.280
<v Speaker 1>put the blast shield down on the helmet so that

1:01:35.320 --> 1:01:37.320
<v Speaker 1>he can't see the remote while he's training with it,

1:01:37.320 --> 1:01:39.680
<v Speaker 1>he's supposed to be able to tell what's there without

1:01:39.840 --> 1:01:42.919
<v Speaker 1>using his primary sense of his eyes. Same way, Um,

1:01:43.040 --> 1:01:45.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, he turns off his targeting computer when he's

1:01:45.440 --> 1:01:49.240
<v Speaker 1>aiming the proton torpedoes into the death Star. He somehow

1:01:49.400 --> 1:01:54.800
<v Speaker 1>is is abandoning or surrendering is either natural or technologically

1:01:54.880 --> 1:01:58.880
<v Speaker 1>aided senses in in almost as a kind of supplication

1:01:59.040 --> 1:02:01.400
<v Speaker 1>to the power of the force. Right, It's like you

1:02:01.440 --> 1:02:03.520
<v Speaker 1>put the blast shield down or you turn off the

1:02:03.560 --> 1:02:06.720
<v Speaker 1>targeting computer as a sign of faith. Is showing that

1:02:06.760 --> 1:02:09.560
<v Speaker 1>you you truly forsake these senses and you trust the

1:02:09.600 --> 1:02:12.320
<v Speaker 1>force totally. Well, there you go, there's there's precedent for

1:02:12.400 --> 1:02:15.440
<v Speaker 1>it after all. So anyway, it's a fun exercise I

1:02:15.440 --> 1:02:17.040
<v Speaker 1>think to you know, to look at something like that

1:02:17.120 --> 1:02:19.920
<v Speaker 1>on a on a fictional alien species that you know

1:02:19.920 --> 1:02:22.800
<v Speaker 1>it's clearly there, mostly because it looks cool, but try

1:02:22.840 --> 1:02:25.640
<v Speaker 1>to imagine what what could it have done? What what

1:02:25.680 --> 1:02:28.320
<v Speaker 1>could its purpose actually be? And again some of it

1:02:28.400 --> 1:02:31.439
<v Speaker 1>is baked into the cannon already, the idea that there

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<v Speaker 1>is some of these worst sense features of some sort.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, it's it's fun to then try and break

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<v Speaker 1>it down further and imagine exactly what they were doing

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<v Speaker 1>and what it would be like, uh to have uh,

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<v Speaker 1>those those montreles and leku um, you know, without getting

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<v Speaker 1>into my son's additional concerns over well, what do they

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<v Speaker 1>feel like? How flexible? I'm sorry, this is unacceptable. We

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<v Speaker 1>need an answer, Rob, What do they feel like? Oh? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I guess you could say, what does the

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<v Speaker 1>wattle of a bird or or the tassels of a goat?

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<v Speaker 1>What do they feel like? I guess they would be

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<v Speaker 1>kind of fleshy and awesome. Um yeah, the horns would

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<v Speaker 1>be kind of rigid. Uh yeah, And I guess it

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<v Speaker 1>would depend on, you know, how how old they are

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<v Speaker 1>and how you know, if they did they lotion? Do

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<v Speaker 1>they lotion? There? There they're leaku enough to keep them,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, uh, you know, from getting too dried out.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. It's like the self care manuals for

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<v Speaker 1>the tokruta. It's like, hey, you know, remember to oil

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<v Speaker 1>your oil your leaku don well, the Jedi tended. They

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<v Speaker 1>seem to take pretty good care of themselves. How often

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<v Speaker 1>you see like a truly scruffy Jedi, That's true. One

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<v Speaker 1>thing I always noticed, Obi Wan Kenobi's beard is so

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<v Speaker 1>well trimmed and sculpted. Yeah, I think you just have

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<v Speaker 1>that extra you have that extra time on your hands,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. Uh, you know, even as even as an

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<v Speaker 1>old Jedi, he took the time. Yodo was pretty scruffy, um,

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<v Speaker 1>especially towards the end, but he was ancient, so yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he's earned it. Okay, should we call part one there?

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<v Speaker 1>Because we've got plenty more alien the cropsies from the

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<v Speaker 1>Star Wars universe to to come back and explore next time.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, we have there's a more fun specimens to

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<v Speaker 1>discuss and to die sect. Uh So in the meantime,

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<v Speaker 1>we'd love to hear from everyone, what are your thoughts

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<v Speaker 1>on on giant Star Wars space worms and uh fleshy

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<v Speaker 1>appendages to alien species? Uh, you know, let us know

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