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Speaker 3: It is time for the players laudes. Welcome here. I
Speaker 3: appreciate you.
Speaker 4: Appreciate you.
Speaker 3: Three former NFL players speaking of over there more we
Speaker 3: got buried Church, what you getting to come back.
Speaker 5: Past? Rush is looking at Jim debut, so hopefully he do.
Speaker 3: What he played, receiver or defensive he's playing.
Speaker 5: But you're ready for not hitting them with the Lee
Speaker 5: Collins treatment, say just in case they do.
Speaker 3: At the LC.
Speaker 5: What he said, I came through New Exit today.
Speaker 4: I can't get ready, ready to go.
Speaker 3: Hell didn't know they didn't get a great can get
Speaker 3: a call, didn't get the call. But to j V
Speaker 3: and Clowney should be making his debut for the Cat.
Speaker 3: They need all hands on deck for sure, They've got
Speaker 3: to so uh he'll play. And then becomes the issue
Speaker 3: of you do they put somebody on ir right now?
Speaker 3: I saw I saw Tyler Booker. They leave the locker
Speaker 3: room on a scooter scoot with a boot on scooter boot.
Speaker 4: That's never a good thing.
Speaker 3: We got the scooter roller, man.
Speaker 5: Boy. That's that's how you know when you if you
Speaker 5: playing or not. That week, when you hear a high
Speaker 5: ankle spring, you walk in there, you say, he's still
Speaker 5: walking on it. He might hit He got that boot
Speaker 5: on right afterwards in the skateboard.
Speaker 4: No pressure, you put, no pressure, said.
Speaker 5: I got at least by two or three.
Speaker 3: He was on the scooter walking with somebody, and I
Speaker 3: was like, it's over with, Like this is man.
Speaker 4: I'm still holding faith. Baby.
Speaker 3: That's for he's gonna full ceed. Land was here Monday,
Speaker 3: able the same thing you got.
Speaker 5: The school was over there.
Speaker 2: Having ankle springs ain't nothing to play with.
Speaker 3: Boy. Nah.
Speaker 2: You know once the tendons and ligaments get damaged, you know.
Speaker 3: Explain that for the listeners who don't get People say
Speaker 3: high ankle sprain. A lot of people never had it,
Speaker 3: and you're talking about playing at a professional level.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so high ankle sprain is not like you're a
Speaker 6: regular running the mill, roll your ankle when you like
Speaker 6: stumble over something at the house. No, highdle sprain is
Speaker 6: almost like breaking something. But at the time, yeah, you're
Speaker 6: damaging ligaments and tendons. And depending on how boy those
Speaker 6: ligaments and tendons are, damage is gonna be whether you
Speaker 6: got grade one, grade two, grade three. And it's also
Speaker 6: gonna let you know how long you're gonna be out,
Speaker 6: because of course bones tend to heal a little bit
Speaker 6: faster sometimes than the ligaments and the tendons do. So
Speaker 6: that's that's that's what the high ankle sprain is based off.
Speaker 5: Thing you gotta throw in there. The X factor is
Speaker 5: when you start getting like these these numbing medications and
Speaker 5: stuff like that, the team needs you to come back
Speaker 5: if you're desperate, if you're a guy that's like a
Speaker 5: George Picking that's in your contract year, Like those guys,
Speaker 5: we seen them rush back and be like, hey numb,
Speaker 5: he know, give me a quarter on shot, give me
Speaker 5: something to where I can go out there and not
Speaker 5: feel this pain, and you do more damage to that
Speaker 5: ligament in the long run. So with this is like
Speaker 5: do you rush them back too early? Like do you
Speaker 5: keep them out like an extra week?
Speaker 6: Like hey man, when I was playing the Raiders, told
Speaker 6: me one year that I had a high ankle sprain
Speaker 6: and I was in the boot throughout the course of
Speaker 6: the week, didn't practice, played on Sundays, and this happened,
Speaker 6: say like in November, right, we go to the championship
Speaker 6: game that year against the Ravens. I think that's when
Speaker 6: the old boy flopped on gaining.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 6: So I'm back home. You know, it's like March at
Speaker 6: the crib. Legs still on fire. Right, So I'm like, man,
Speaker 6: something ain't right.
Speaker 2: This can't be.
Speaker 6: So I called them up and like, I want to
Speaker 6: go see somebody else and get second opinion. So they
Speaker 6: was like, all right, let me know who you know,
Speaker 6: choose from everything. I say that, I go get a
Speaker 6: bone skin.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 6: Come to find out my high ankle spring that they
Speaker 6: was telling me was actually a stress fracture. You know
Speaker 6: what I'm saying. Yeah, Now, I played on that stress
Speaker 6: fracture from from like like I said that October all
Speaker 6: the way through the championship game months right, So you
Speaker 6: understand when I'm sitting at home in April, my leg
Speaker 6: is still on fire. Go get this bone skin, dude,
Speaker 6: Like you know what's about to happen. He's like your
Speaker 6: bone was about to pop out your.
Speaker 2: Leg eventually you caught this when we caught it, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean.
Speaker 4: So he was getting them shots in the ankle.
Speaker 6: I was toward all shot okay, I was getting to it.
Speaker 6: All shots is getting quarters on. And then I was
Speaker 6: going to acupuncture twice a week, you know, like in
Speaker 6: the bay you can fire some good acupunct This old
Speaker 6: lady that was hooking me up and like literally like
Speaker 6: it was. It was sustaining me and allowed me to
Speaker 6: be able to play on that broken leg that I
Speaker 6: thought was a high ankle spring for so long.
Speaker 7: And it ain't really like straight line after a while,
Speaker 7: straight line. Oh he's running straight, He's good.
Speaker 3: He can rush.
Speaker 7: It's that cutting, that lateral movement, that putting your foot
Speaker 7: in the ground and making the dynamic cut.
Speaker 4: That's when that thinks.
Speaker 5: Man, Oh yeah, I'm good at what they're gonna do
Speaker 5: is before like if you're a guy like so for me,
Speaker 5: I used to always love pushing it through injuries. Oh
Speaker 5: yeah I got this, and coaches in them and they
Speaker 5: would know that I would go through like faking me
Speaker 5: and like you said, you get a little ankle spray
Speaker 5: going straight ahead, Oh yeah, I got this, and you
Speaker 5: got a little a little ginger gimp and then he's like,
Speaker 5: you know what, I like the way you did that.
Speaker 5: That was fast break to the left, real quick.
Speaker 4: A whole different.
Speaker 3: So this is very interesting. Tyler Book of the Rookie
Speaker 3: Starting Guard out. Uh gonna miss time with the hind
Speaker 3: spring and so is ceed Lamb. So door set. When
Speaker 3: you go through this and they basically misdiagnosed you, what's
Speaker 3: your repercussion at all? Anything Workman's camp later on, and
Speaker 3: now that you're retired, do you have any residual Oh yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, like if you touched it, if you touch
Speaker 6: that part of my leg right now, you can still
Speaker 6: feel a little hump in there. It's days were like
Speaker 6: literally like it's like a nagging pain and stuff like that.
Speaker 6: But you know, for the most part, I'm thankful and
Speaker 6: I'm grateful that like me listening to my body when
Speaker 6: I was still at home and then just ignore it
Speaker 6: and I actually went and saw somebody else, so you
Speaker 6: could have got it straight.
Speaker 5: But that's that's one thing that I feel like we
Speaker 5: don't do a good job as players. Like if you've
Speaker 5: been I've been around some good vets justin Tugg. You know,
Speaker 5: guys like Olivier Vernon, like these guys Dfourd. They talked about,
Speaker 5: oh man, I can't wait till I get my benefits
Speaker 5: and this and that. But if you what they said,
Speaker 5: if you know better, you do better. A lot of
Speaker 5: people don't realize that they have these benefits. And on
Speaker 5: top of that, you're in a player's mentality that when
Speaker 5: you're retired, you don't really officially retire into a two
Speaker 5: year's post game because you got that one year where
Speaker 5: you're like, hey, I can still get it, I can
Speaker 5: still go through the mud and this and that, and
Speaker 5: then after that next year it's like you dealing with
Speaker 5: whatever feelings you're dealing with being off the field to
Speaker 5: where it's not until three or four years down the
Speaker 5: line you're saying, oh man, this injury that I had,
Speaker 5: it starts to hurt. And then like you then mist
Speaker 5: your window opportunity to go get your line of duty
Speaker 5: or go file for workers come to not even get paid,
Speaker 5: but just to get your injuries covered. Like you got
Speaker 5: guys all the time that's talking about I need a
Speaker 5: hip or knee replacement, and because you didn't go back
Speaker 5: and just check on your what they say, read the
Speaker 5: frime friend with no so like guys like you and
Speaker 5: myself were getting tooken care of.
Speaker 6: Hey, but my dudes who played like my dad, they
Speaker 6: had no benefits.
Speaker 3: That's so crazy today. No, what's crazy today is that
Speaker 3: the players is they keep going dealing with these owners.
Speaker 3: Could go help them. Okay, they could go back there
Speaker 3: and help a whole lot of people, but they won't.
Speaker 3: So when this eighteenth game comes to the table in
Speaker 3: the next CBA, the for Ransom, you could sit up
Speaker 3: here and say, hey, what about the other guys who
Speaker 3: helped do this?
Speaker 2: But it's it's it's crazy.
Speaker 4: They rather be able to hit herbs.
Speaker 3: But that's that's what the crazy.
Speaker 7: But you'd rather be able to vote that you don't
Speaker 7: get tested and all that stuff.
Speaker 6: I mean, they got to give up like that every
Speaker 6: year because before they was testing for the herbs, they
Speaker 6: wasn't testing for HGH, and so it was something it
Speaker 6: was it was it was a you know what, giving
Speaker 6: on that one.
Speaker 5: Doing the negotiation. And that's like us as former players,
Speaker 5: I feel like we got to do a better job
Speaker 5: at coming back and just staying in BALLD because it's
Speaker 5: not us that's going to be negotiating. It's gonna be
Speaker 5: the young guys. Michael Parkson's these younger guys that are
Speaker 5: coming up in the league. Uh, what's the kid out
Speaker 5: in Tampa that's becoming the big star them? Like, those
Speaker 5: are the players right there that you have to sit there.
Speaker 5: Those players are going to keep us in mind if
Speaker 5: you were a great og, if you told them about
Speaker 5: the finis, if you took care of hey man, when
Speaker 5: y'all come up for negotiation, like, we're all included in this.
Speaker 5: And some guys are bitter or feel some type of
Speaker 5: way where it's like, when I'm out the league, I'm
Speaker 5: not going. For example, Sat Frans taking me out to
Speaker 5: the super Bowl, the former Super Bowl twenty twenty this
Speaker 5: past weekend. One of I had three guys tell me
Speaker 5: why are you going back to a reunion that y'all
Speaker 5: ben't win the super Bowl? And I'm like, one, you
Speaker 5: can network too. Some of y'all never gonna sniff this,
Speaker 5: And it's like you're so bitter that you can't come
Speaker 5: back and talk to players to say, hey, how can
Speaker 5: we help and go back Like now, he said, it's
Speaker 5: up to us to go do it. And if I'm
Speaker 5: a young player, that's negotiating and I don't even know you,
Speaker 5: will have no like type of relationship with you. Why
Speaker 5: am I fighting for you? I'm fighting for myself.
Speaker 2: You know what every young player has to realize.
Speaker 6: And it was and and this is one of the
Speaker 6: things that and Gene Upshaw rest in peace, Gene.
Speaker 2: He came in the locker room and he said it
Speaker 2: one day.
Speaker 6: He was like, Yeah, every young player gonna be an
Speaker 6: old player, like when you can't hear it when you're
Speaker 6: young because you so you know what I mean. But like,
Speaker 6: and that's what everybody has to recognize.
Speaker 3: So you guys all play. This is just just me
Speaker 3: being an outside guy watching different sports go through their
Speaker 3: own collective bargain green Man, Why don't football players embed
Speaker 3: themselves with these baseball guys because they keep getting it
Speaker 3: right with these crazy pensions. Man, these guys are taken
Speaker 3: care of like no other. And understand there's more football players,
Speaker 3: but until football players are willing to miss some checks
Speaker 3: and withhold services, you're going to get nothing. And at
Speaker 3: the same time, too, hey, this guy played and did this,
Speaker 3: so you're sitting here getting it today. You owe him.
Speaker 8: Yeah, And it's the people that that can actually move
Speaker 8: the needle. And I'm talking about the quarterbacks, the guys
Speaker 8: that are the highest paid, of the highest paid, they're
Speaker 8: the ones that are going to have to make, you know,
Speaker 8: these decisions and reach out and say, hey, we gotta
Speaker 8: fight against this.
Speaker 4: But when you look at it, those type of guys,
Speaker 4: they're making so.
Speaker 3: Much bread, they're set. But it's the other nine but
Speaker 3: the rosters that aren't getting these crazy checks that are like, hey,
Speaker 3: I need this. But the highest paid guys like, huh.
Speaker 6: So, I think I'm it's part of it though, like
Speaker 6: so like right now, they are automatically understanding that, like,
Speaker 6: your quality of life later on is going to be
Speaker 6: so bad, you know what I mean, And they just
Speaker 6: breaking people off because they know the portion of that
Speaker 6: much that you're gonna be using for your health and
Speaker 6: wellness later.
Speaker 3: On, it's gonna be a lot of that's going to
Speaker 3: be absorbed.
Speaker 6: But one of the crazy things about it is that
Speaker 6: Goodell and his whole family have lifetime insurance.
Speaker 3: That's what's wild, and it's not.
Speaker 5: It's not whyd how is it not?
Speaker 3: The reason is not wild because this man is sitting
Speaker 3: here going to the very owners he works for, and
Speaker 3: he's I'm riching you and giving you, guys what you want.
Speaker 3: This is what I want from me. The man is
Speaker 3: smartough to go and negotiate for yourself. The players refuse
Speaker 3: to work for each other.
Speaker 5: And with each other. You answered your own question, like
Speaker 5: he can go negotiate that for himself. He's doing that
Speaker 5: amongst hisself. It's easier to negotiate and bargain with one
Speaker 5: or the fewer versus the many. Meaning when you go
Speaker 5: to baseball, it's not as many players. A lot of
Speaker 5: those guys are getting tooken well care of. Most of
Speaker 5: those guys on that team are getting taken care of.
Speaker 3: So good, but they miss checked and do you guys
Speaker 3: don't do it?
Speaker 5: We want, but we won't do it because you have
Speaker 5: very few guys that have the really big million dollar checks.
Speaker 5: But you got a guy that just came in from
Speaker 5: college or something feeding the family that doesn't want.
Speaker 6: To it is that's right, because our game could be
Speaker 6: you're not gonna walk out on the baseball field, and
Speaker 6: nine times out of ten, the likelihood if you.
Speaker 2: Sustaining a career ending ending injury right then.
Speaker 6: But so so that's where like a lot of that
Speaker 6: plays into that too.
Speaker 2: As well, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: So like when when you look at the guarantees between
Speaker 6: the between the two of them, like you can't say
Speaker 6: that it's more important for a baseball player to have
Speaker 6: benefits because just like I said, like that game is
Speaker 6: so far less dangerous.
Speaker 3: But your your first six years though you're not getting
Speaker 3: paid the big money. You got to put in six
Speaker 3: years before you get paid. But what I'm saying is
Speaker 3: that as a group, as a collective bargaining group, they
Speaker 3: all got together. They miss checks. They even had the
Speaker 3: higher paid dudes. Hey what is it you need? Get
Speaker 3: your set straight, and you got And I'm not trying
Speaker 3: to pick on you as NFL guys. Dudes are not
Speaker 3: willing to miss checks and guys at the bottom are
Speaker 3: sitting here saying, hey man, I gotta get back. We
Speaker 3: don't get and you don't care. At some point time
Speaker 3: in baseball, you know what they intimidated me. Let you
Speaker 3: not vote this ye were coming. We're throwing that. You
Speaker 3: know we're gonna get you off. Teams, they gonna get
Speaker 3: you off when dudes crossed. When dudes cross, the picking
Speaker 3: lit bro it was rough top of trouble, but not
Speaker 3: here if football man, it's guys don't want guys.
Speaker 5: They don't. But I will say I could see I
Speaker 5: could see it being more. It's a lot closer now
Speaker 5: versus when you were playing, and you were playing, I
Speaker 5: feel like guys are a lot more less selfish. You're
Speaker 5: you're getting guys that's coming from the nil era that
Speaker 5: are actually taking care of their teammates and giving up
Speaker 5: versus where when we were doing it. I just wish
Speaker 5: an old head would have said, hey, young bull, I
Speaker 5: got you whatever you need. We're gonna hold this out
Speaker 5: for the long run. If they would have did that,
Speaker 5: hell yeah, I would have came full floods running, like
Speaker 5: everybody would have came. But they're like I said, I've
Speaker 5: been in the locker room where guys are like, man,
Speaker 5: if I hold out, would you hold out and I'll
Speaker 5: take care of you? And they say yeah. But I've
Speaker 5: been a part of the locker rooms where the big
Speaker 5: vets were like, boy, I got three kids at the
Speaker 5: house and one on the way this I'm.
Speaker 4: Trying to he was in a lockout year?
Speaker 8: Was that eleven? Yeah, you know how many vets was like, hey,
Speaker 8: let's stick together.
Speaker 4: No, we got this. We'm gonna take you, man, wasn't the.
Speaker 3: Soul out there?
Speaker 4: Check in a soul out and look that's howd on
Speaker 4: that lockout last year.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's just And who will do is they
Speaker 5: give you on't give you a little bit? Hey, y'all
Speaker 5: don't want to get tested for this, this and this. Okay,
Speaker 5: here you go, Y'all'm not gonna like so we'll take you,
Speaker 5: but we're gonna take all this back end money that
Speaker 5: we normally give y'all when y'all retire. Where it's so
Speaker 5: harder now for people to get line of duty.
Speaker 4: Like this is a this is a they make line
Speaker 4: du explain line of duty.
Speaker 6: I know somebody got their line of duty taking away
Speaker 6: that in this bill.
Speaker 5: Cruity is a benefit that you earned just you have
Speaker 5: workers come like after a certain it's a point skill
Speaker 5: after you didn't play football for so long. You can
Speaker 5: get it either for being physically unable to perform or
Speaker 5: mentally at a certain level to where you can't function
Speaker 5: in society, and they pay you x amount of money over.
Speaker 4: For the rest of your life, the lifetime.
Speaker 5: And that's if you get the lifetime on if you
Speaker 5: don't get it, they have they have tmp that only
Speaker 5: lasts for seven years. You earn these benefits after you
Speaker 5: play for three point five years. But they're also once
Speaker 5: you get this benefit, there's certain uh, there's certain barriers
Speaker 5: in the way. You can't make a certain amount of money.
Speaker 5: You can't be doing this. That's the lifetime that if
Speaker 5: you have a lifetime benefit, can't be out or all
Speaker 5: that they want They want all of it back, and
Speaker 5: they just make it so difficult. And mind you, this
Speaker 5: is this is the game that you played.
Speaker 3: That's it's good. Okay, So some point now now people
Speaker 3: have a little bit.
Speaker 4: Of under benefits went like that.
Speaker 8: They was like, because I had had so many surgeries
Speaker 8: so I didn't even have to go get like a
Speaker 8: doctor or nothing.
Speaker 4: That they were just like, oh, yeah, you got the point.
Speaker 4: Here take it. And I was like, all right, bet no,
Speaker 4: that's not like I was able to get it real quick.
Speaker 3: Are there any restrictions you have?
Speaker 8: No, No, I didn't get the lifetime So I got minds
Speaker 8: last over eight years, and I get X amount of
Speaker 8: months from the NFL for the next eight years just
Speaker 8: because my surgeries added up to let's just call it
Speaker 8: twelve points. It's a twelve point scale, and mine's added
Speaker 8: all the way up to there.
Speaker 3: So I didn't.
Speaker 8: And if you don't, sometimes you got to go to
Speaker 8: another doctor and say, oh, well this was wrong with
Speaker 8: him and that was wrong with us. So you got
Speaker 8: to kind of manufacture your way to get up to
Speaker 8: those points. But for me, I mean I had you know, arms,
Speaker 8: legs back.
Speaker 3: Does that apply to your father at all? Who's the
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame Tony Dorsett?
Speaker 2: What do you mean? They didn't have?
Speaker 3: And so those benefits that like some of the church
Speaker 3: has not available to him at all, right, And when
Speaker 3: they've come up with a new collective barter ge, they
Speaker 3: haven't decided to try to get them in there.
Speaker 6: So so the whole situation with my dad and CTE
Speaker 6: and the League basically not saying that they want to
Speaker 6: accept responsibility for it, but actually participating in the responsibility
Speaker 6: of financially taking care of certain people for it. So
Speaker 6: my dad is actually part of one of these people
Speaker 6: that's involved in this one program that the League is
Speaker 6: set up, and so literally he actually does get some
Speaker 6: type of benefit, but it's not the same as like
Speaker 6: like like what we're talking about now, you know what
Speaker 6: I mean? And unfortunately for him, well fortunately for him
Speaker 6: was he was creative with some annuities things that he
Speaker 6: set up years ago, you know what I mean. But
Speaker 6: then at the same time, you know, like thank god
Speaker 6: that as he went through the process before he was
Speaker 6: diagnosed with CT did he didn't hurt himself and do
Speaker 6: anything to himself. So you know, And the thing about
Speaker 6: the league is this, you know, like at points, with
Speaker 6: points and times with whether it be TMP or whatever
Speaker 6: the case may be. You know it is they make
Speaker 6: it so tough and so hard they used to for
Speaker 6: you to actually call it a benefit, you know what
Speaker 6: I mean, it's not a benefit anymore. Like at the
Speaker 6: point where like people are not functionally right, they can't walk,
Speaker 6: they can't think, you know, it's crazy.
Speaker 5: So did he have to go through the full body
Speaker 5: scan because they do offer the benefit now to where
Speaker 5: they pay for you to go out.
Speaker 2: To you know, since twenty around twenty thirteen, twenty four.
Speaker 6: So he was part of the first He's one of
Speaker 6: the first people who didn't kill themselves. This is around
Speaker 6: the time with Junior se alum Water is all these
Speaker 6: dudes is taking their lives, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: So, and that's what's that's what's so mind boggling and
Speaker 5: puzzling to me, is like they're one of the guys
Speaker 5: that are strong enough to say, hey, I have I'm
Speaker 5: suffering mentally, like just going through everything that they're going through,
Speaker 5: and for them to be another statistic or number you
Speaker 5: go down there, Hey, we're gonna give you a full
Speaker 5: body scan, figure out exactly what's wrong with you. Oh,
Speaker 5: we're gonna pay for you just to be healthy. But
Speaker 5: it's like, you gave so much to the game and
Speaker 5: you're giving You're still giving to the game. He's still
Speaker 5: giving to the game by donating his brain, donating that
Speaker 5: data to help the younger guys. And this is why
Speaker 5: it's so such important for the younger guys to look
Speaker 5: out for the older guy.
Speaker 3: You gotta get a break in here riveting in terms
Speaker 3: of just finding out more things. This helps people who
Speaker 3: watch football have a better understanding of what actually goes
Speaker 3: on here. So hopefully next Clark collective Bargain agreement, they
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Speaker 3: So like that, let's let's dive into situation again. Because
Speaker 3: Church mentioned about thirty thousand dollars food and beverage. So
Speaker 3: Kenny Clark spoke, yes, how many tickets you got to get?
Speaker 3: I got a box?
Speaker 5: Okay, big money Clark just for the game, got.
Speaker 3: A box, got a box, and apparently Michael Parsons before
Speaker 3: the season bought a box.
Speaker 4: Yeah it's a business now, well.
Speaker 3: They let him know. There's no refund.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Michael, of course, of course.
Speaker 3: Michael Parsons has a box for every game.
Speaker 4: Sell them off, boats, sell them off.
Speaker 3: He got to give him up so you can make
Speaker 3: some money. Thought about, you know, trying to talk to Michaeh,
Speaker 3: but you know, didn't work out that way. So Michael's
Speaker 3: got his box here, and so Kenny got a different
Speaker 3: box but didn't work out. So he't want to say, well,
Speaker 3: I mean I would I would imagine Michael's using it
Speaker 3: this week.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, yeah, you don't want them mixing up
Speaker 2: in there.
Speaker 4: Either you can have his bo you got to buy
Speaker 4: for the rest of the season.
Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying, I gotta get.
Speaker 3: But you know, will he have it for the Commander's
Speaker 3: game on the nineteen, I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 3: Get them things off you.
Speaker 5: That's the only that's the only way he can get
Speaker 5: his money back and make up for it. He could
Speaker 5: he could make some bread, especially like you said, it's
Speaker 5: there's so many fortune five hundred coming.
Speaker 2: Talk about Michael like some bread easily making the killing man.
Speaker 4: Come on, I mean, yeah, I'm just you know, talking
Speaker 4: about loan some bread.
Speaker 5: Bread.
Speaker 6: You better listen to a big So he sold them
Speaker 6: things on his podcast and everywhere, like you.
Speaker 3: Got you got. There's six games after this, six games
Speaker 3: from Michael left put no refunds.
Speaker 5: Is trying to contract you sorry, I mean you got
Speaker 5: a thirty day return policy.
Speaker 2: Can't have So that's no refund for anybody though, huh.
Speaker 12: Not just him, That's that's like anybody, everybody, everybody, everybody,
Speaker 12: he said, fine, friend is there.
Speaker 3: Man will be okay, especially in football because every year
Speaker 3: we go see at least six teams to make the playoffs.
Speaker 3: Last year, make it so that means six teams have
Speaker 3: made it gonna be on, so no no refund. Maybe
Speaker 3: you know you're here, you here your life. Then now man,
Speaker 3: right right, you buy your you buy your own peril.
Speaker 3: But that's also when you may want to decide, Okay,
Speaker 3: hey I want to buy a suite, I want to
Speaker 3: get with your company. I'll take these games. But now,
Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's how you do it if you
Speaker 3: buy it, when you buy season tickets. One year I bought,
Speaker 3: I bought Arranger season ticket. I just bought one ticket,
Speaker 3: one seat, and then I got with the person who
Speaker 3: bought there next to me, and we just sat down
Speaker 3: one day and we just divided up the games. So
Speaker 3: that way, you know, it was eighty one days I have,
Speaker 3: I have forty. They had for there were certain games
Speaker 3: they wanted, okay, when you want to Then we tried
Speaker 3: to figure out weekends and the different times and also
Speaker 3: just the ability to try to sell them to you know,
Speaker 3: like okay, hey the Yankees coming to town. How many
Speaker 3: times they're coming here? Because that's a good see. So
Speaker 3: if you got Yankees, and then I need you took
Speaker 3: two Yankees and I would take two Red Sox. I
Speaker 3: mean just how do you make it? How do you
Speaker 3: make it? But if you're buying a sweet like this
Speaker 3: and you're paying that kind of money, and depending on
Speaker 3: what kind of company you have, yeah, you're gonna go,
Speaker 3: hey man, I'll take these games and you come on
Speaker 3: over here and you get it and you try to
Speaker 3: make a little bit of money off these things. A
Speaker 3: little bit. Now you can't sell them make a killing.
Speaker 3: But so if you're Michael Parsons, I would I would
Speaker 3: hope his podcast.
Speaker 5: On this exactly what I'm going straight.
Speaker 6: And it's celebrity alone. It's gonna keep that thing filled
Speaker 6: up every week. It don't matter who the cowboys playing,
Speaker 6: they're gonna be like, you want to go to Michael
Speaker 6: Parsons Sweet five?
Speaker 5: Yeah, everybody gonna buy, gonna get what's up about? So
Speaker 5: at this point it's not even about the money thing.
Speaker 5: It's about the network. They say, your network is your network?
Speaker 5: Like Mike could have made so much money to where
Speaker 5: he over there, you don't think he, Hey, I got
Speaker 5: this ticket for you a CEO some company to where
Speaker 5: next thing, you know, I get a deal with you
Speaker 5: and I'm the spokesman or private or angel investor.
Speaker 3: Said you say that man, see if he deal with
Speaker 3: a CEO or see, you gonna have some moneyself.
Speaker 5: He's gonna have it to sell. But it's like you
Speaker 5: give your friends nice give you know, nice things come
Speaker 5: back and return.
Speaker 3: You go check that sideline out on Sunday.
Speaker 5: Man exactly, That's what I'm saying. It's easy for him
Speaker 5: to be. It's gonna be some people, There's gonna be
Speaker 5: some stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 6: Always, powboy, everybody want to be a jail always, it's
Speaker 6: gonna be packed.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be packed. Even though the Cowboys are underdogs
Speaker 3: by touchdown here, it'll be there. So by the way
Speaker 3: Kenny Clark said, has no hard feelings, no revenge on
Speaker 3: his mind. I'm here to go play football, here to
Speaker 3: win the game.
Speaker 5: I'm so tired of this, bro, Why why I want
Speaker 5: to I want to see some I get the football
Speaker 5: for the aggression. Like he's saying the same thing, Michael
Speaker 5: in the same thing. Who's mad, ain't mad? Who's mad?
Speaker 5: What we're gonna buy bad rapper? Like bro, like I
Speaker 5: get we gotta say. You don't want to give them
Speaker 5: bulletin board. But it's like brou you get a little
Speaker 5: extra juice when you go see that team. You think that,
Speaker 5: so Barry you left the Cowboys play against them at
Speaker 5: the car? Did you not have that circle on your.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4: I ain't telling nobody.
Speaker 5: I mean exactly, you don't tell nobody. But in a
Speaker 5: safe place now where people can say wherever they want to,
Speaker 5: I want to see it, like I want to see them.
Speaker 3: Sometimes people be ready to make that move, man, you know.
Speaker 5: What I mean.
Speaker 2: And and and like some people can honestly.
Speaker 6: Take their feelings out the game and just play, just
Speaker 6: just play straight football and turn it into the business
Speaker 6: that it is. And so when you have cats like that,
Speaker 6: like literally like it ain't no skin off their back.
Speaker 6: They just gonna go out and play with whoever they for,
Speaker 6: whoever they playing for.
Speaker 5: I'm not saying that you're mad, because, like I said,
Speaker 5: I've been on nine teams. I wasn't mad at the people.
Speaker 5: I actually loved all the people that was there. It
Speaker 5: was more so like, hey, like y'all let me go,
Speaker 5: so let me show y'all how good I am. I
Speaker 5: still got in the tank to say, boy, y'all crazy,
Speaker 5: like I'm the best thing since bread. And He's say
Speaker 5: and That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: He said. Before the game, He's like, I'm not looking
Speaker 3: to hug anybody, but if I do, that's fine. Afterward,
Speaker 3: that's fine. But he's like, you know, I'm.
Speaker 5: Not well, I like I like that part. That's different
Speaker 5: saying that's saying he's there strictly for football, for it,
Speaker 5: but for like the whole Michael thing. Like to sit
Speaker 5: here and say, oh, there's no bad blood, Like we
Speaker 5: know you wanted a tribute video. You you wanted to
Speaker 5: get paid here, so you obviously feel some type of
Speaker 5: way like you saying he don't have to he don't
Speaker 5: have to come out of states. I said, I said,
Speaker 5: I would like for him to say.
Speaker 3: It's you, you out there with your feelings.
Speaker 5: No, I ain't af there with my feelings. I'm just
Speaker 5: saying you did call it what you want, potatoes rose beef.
Speaker 3: All I saw was that man when he heard the news.
Speaker 3: He got traded her and got that contract, running around
Speaker 3: his plate, run around here he was, you know, and
Speaker 3: he got the bread.
Speaker 5: We got it. It worked up for everybody.
Speaker 3: He'll dole out tides, you know, go be what it
Speaker 3: is on Sunday, you know, pull t J. Bass and
Speaker 3: Brock Coffin gonna catch it and guiden, I mean.
Speaker 5: You know that. I mean say, but if the Cowboys
Speaker 5: come out here and destroy them and like hold up them.
Speaker 3: What I'm gonna be juice? I mean, I know, we
Speaker 3: know you just hear you say he did.
Speaker 5: I said if if.
Speaker 2: The king, if the queens were they might call her
Speaker 2: the king.
Speaker 5: But I just said it was a strong possible. Didn't
Speaker 5: say it was a week possible. But somebody might have
Speaker 5: a possible and any given Sunday it is anything. Can
Speaker 5: what he said. I just like to play Devil's advocate,
Speaker 5: and I don't can happen. I got the Packers winning
Speaker 5: if we're being be honest. But if it happens and
Speaker 5: it's a closer game than what you think it is,
Speaker 5: don't be surprised. Now.
Speaker 3: You know why EB saying that last week? Times best
Speaker 3: not to say that play.
Speaker 5: Let him play out now. The last few times that
Speaker 5: I told y'all was gonna be close, it was close,
Speaker 5: was it not?
Speaker 13: Yeah?
Speaker 2: You called you called it comm you did.
Speaker 5: That's up. That's all. So it wasn't too far fit.
Speaker 3: You know, we just here, But you be all over
Speaker 3: the board with you.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I mean what you call close.
Speaker 5: Back in the day, I'm there, love it. Who those
Speaker 5: games weren't way closer than what they were.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying what I'm trying to understand. What you're
Speaker 3: close is.
Speaker 5: Man, if it comes down to the last three minutes
Speaker 5: of the game, that is close. If it is a
Speaker 5: one score game.
Speaker 4: This is gonna be close to Sunday.
Speaker 13: Okay, get I mean what he said, I can't do
Speaker 13: no more dangerous pick I gotta you gotta start.
Speaker 5: I fought back this week. I fall back. Hopefully I'm
Speaker 5: still not.
Speaker 3: Say understand your depths here of what you what you're saying.
Speaker 5: We be trying to get somebody just because like I
Speaker 5: just throw it out there. I didn't say, oh, this
Speaker 5: is what I believe. I didn't say the Cowboy gonna win.
Speaker 5: I just said, if the Cowboys win, and if this
Speaker 5: old line that is a makeshift old line right now
Speaker 5: hold up against Michael parksons them guys.
Speaker 3: But you're saying so you're saying something and I'm literally
Speaker 3: trying to Okay, you just said this, Did I exactly
Speaker 3: hear you what you said? Okay, don't be like Adele.
Speaker 3: Just because I said it, don't mean I've heard.
Speaker 14: It on what you're saying, What do you mean anybody
Speaker 14: can be any given Sunday?
Speaker 3: Okay, this is like if.
Speaker 5: This is the week I put it like he's standing
Speaker 5: on business. I'm putting a point out there. Did we
Speaker 5: not sit here and say, I'm not you're not gonna
Speaker 5: get me to take the bait for that. I'm not
Speaker 5: talking like that. We're not what you're saying.
Speaker 2: I don't even got to be saying.
Speaker 3: I don't even if.
Speaker 5: You don't need you want to know why I gotta
Speaker 5: be said because we said this last week that it
Speaker 5: didn't have to be said about the Bears, And what
Speaker 5: did the Bears do? They came out there They looked
Speaker 5: BT eight to somebody. So with that being said, it
Speaker 5: is something that got to be said.
Speaker 6: Okay, if every week of game could be close or
Speaker 6: it could be blown out, if every it doesn't matter,
Speaker 6: that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Okay, sure you want me to say it. I think
Speaker 5: Green Day is gonna blow Cowboys out. That's what you
Speaker 5: want me to say. No, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 14: What I think is gonna ask that's what Yeah, that's
Speaker 14: what pretty much everybody gonna happen.
Speaker 5: I believe that. Interesting man, y'all not get beat checked. Hey,
Speaker 5: let's get your predictions matter of fact back there. What's
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Speaker 3: go into this game for the Cowboys turnover margin, they
Speaker 3: are negative five, tied for thirty first in the league. Brouh,
Speaker 3: You're not winning games when you're in the worst teams
Speaker 3: in terms of giving the ball in the league. Defense.
Speaker 5: Come on, you know it's all about turnovers, man, the
Speaker 5: battle and not running to the ball.
Speaker 3: I want to talk about takeaways. I'm talking about turning
Speaker 3: the ball over turnover right now, when it comes to
Speaker 3: defensive takeaways, uh, defensive takeaways are they got one tie
Speaker 3: for twenty seventh in the league. Meanwhile Green Bay Green
Speaker 3: Bays defense has two tie for twenty first. But when
Speaker 3: it comes to terms of you giving the football away
Speaker 3: and the turnover value are negative five, you're just not
Speaker 3: winning games like that. You just aren't. And as we
Speaker 3: saw against Chicago, we saw against Philly, you know you're
Speaker 3: giving the ball over. The Philly game was dictated off
Speaker 3: one turnover. Man, that one turnover cost you the football
Speaker 3: game in terms of the ability to really get something done.
Speaker 3: And then of course what we saw this past Sunday,
Speaker 3: two exceptions by dak Well one on one really his
Speaker 3: faults pickts tipped it up. But two exceptions by dak
Speaker 3: Joe Milton gave one away and then Javonte running here
Speaker 3: for a big game and get gets stripped like be Mo,
Speaker 3: curl like you little, I'll take take that. Take that?
Speaker 3: Do you walk him down? Did he walk him down?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Man?
Speaker 6: These runner backs keep you. They can't they can't, they can't,
Speaker 6: they can't take your house, take the walk down.
Speaker 3: Can't kick you can't do that. It's bad. It's bad.
Speaker 3: It's all bad.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 4: But right there, that's yeah.
Speaker 3: The football game is dictate this. You guys have all played,
Speaker 3: kay Anthony George said Tree More Barry Church. You guys
Speaker 3: all played in the league. You are this is this
Speaker 3: team's not good enough to lose the turnover back.
Speaker 5: And you don't have your eraser. And Michael Parson and
Speaker 5: I hate to keep beating a dead horse, but it's
Speaker 5: like we always said, when you have that, when you
Speaker 5: have an eraser, a lot of those cracks get covered up.
Speaker 5: And now that that eraser is not here, this crack
Speaker 5: is not being covered up. Every week you go in there,
Speaker 5: you got your objective special team offense and defense. That
Speaker 5: one major objective that don't change whatever building you is
Speaker 5: for all thirty two teams is winning the turnover margin.
Speaker 5: Can we get this guy? If we can do this,
Speaker 5: like we will say that the likelihood and the chances
Speaker 5: of us winning, we did our part. That's the whole
Speaker 5: thing with that's one commercial. I'm doing my part. I'm
Speaker 5: doing my part. I didn't do nothing with negative five.
Speaker 5: You over here saying that you didn't do it. And
Speaker 5: right now I know ibra Flus is harping on that
Speaker 5: because your turnovers you might not play the game technical wise,
Speaker 5: this and that. But when in that turnover margin can
Speaker 5: change the whole perspective boarding game.
Speaker 3: She George said, just to go run over these statistical numbers.
Speaker 3: For the defensive points per game, they give up thirty
Speaker 3: point seven, that's twenty eighth in the league.
Speaker 5: I was just about to say.
Speaker 3: Net yards per game they give up three hundred and
Speaker 3: ninety eight, that's thirtieth in the league. Rushing they're not
Speaker 3: that bad. They give it one hundred and eight one
Speaker 3: and seventeenth league seventeen. Seventeenth. Passing yards is where they
Speaker 3: really are trouble. Two hundred and eighty eight passing yards
Speaker 3: thirty first in the league. Next to interceptions, they got
Speaker 3: the Diet Coke one one calorie one interception time for seventeenth.
Speaker 3: Fumble recoveries zero really zero, Yes, stripping.
Speaker 5: A turnover drills will be a month Man Thursday Andrill.
Speaker 3: When it comes to takeaways, one of the Die Coke
Speaker 3: one takeaway tie for twenty seventh in the league. When
Speaker 3: it comes to sacks, Church take a guess how many
Speaker 3: sacks man three four oh three game twenty eighth in
Speaker 3: the National They and didn't have one last week because
Speaker 3: Kayleb Williams.
Speaker 5: That one gave him the first game of his career
Speaker 5: without being touched.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm mad at the third down percentage. Okay, for
Speaker 3: the games one.
Speaker 5: On thirty, it's the thirtieth or twenty ninth in the league.
Speaker 2: I bet I'm gonna say around like the sixty seven
Speaker 2: percent range.
Speaker 3: So okay, what do we think that.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say they at least sixty seven percent?
Speaker 3: Thirty two teams, what do you think they had?
Speaker 5: I got there, thirty I call it.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say twenty ninth.
Speaker 3: She got, I got thirty, she got twenty seven. They
Speaker 3: last thirty two fifty three point seven percent on third Now,
Speaker 3: god fuck, Like when you hear that, that's college football.
Speaker 3: That's like, hey man, we the HBCU going to go
Speaker 3: we we we Florida and then we gotta play Florida
Speaker 3: State this week. That's that's that third down percentage. Like that,
Speaker 3: you got no shot. It ain't made for you. This
Speaker 3: is a pro football team, man, dead last red zone
Speaker 3: percentage you getting, You're in the red zone against the
Speaker 3: Cowboy defense. You got to the Cowboys fifty four point
Speaker 3: six percent.
Speaker 5: They hire up because its bombs over bag. Then it
Speaker 5: ain't like they're going down there and setting.
Speaker 3: Up in the rids on so they gonna be they're
Speaker 3: not gonna take that. You're not gonna lose a fumble
Speaker 3: recovery against them, They're not gonna get they interceptions against you.
Speaker 5: Third down.
Speaker 3: You just converting like a mug. And then you get
Speaker 3: to throw on them all day long and score thirty
Speaker 3: one points a game.
Speaker 8: And it's heartburaging, you know. For it's gotta be hearburging
Speaker 8: for the coach stand when you look at this, because
Speaker 8: all these things are self inflicting if you look at it.
Speaker 7: But George Pickens interception bounces right off his hands, Javonte
Speaker 7: running down the silence off of a big time game,
Speaker 7: somebody behind it just tasting out.
Speaker 3: My boy Mile Sanders gets it taken away from him.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's just like, man, these blown coverages.
Speaker 2: It's just but that's you know what you know, and
Speaker 2: and here we go either you coaching it or you're
Speaker 2: letting it out.
Speaker 6: It come on, man, I mean, we already know, just
Speaker 6: like what we talked about ball security number one for offense.
Speaker 6: But then at the same time, every play on defense, rips, strips,
Speaker 6: go for it, develop good habits, and we ain't seeing
Speaker 6: none of that, you know what I mean? No seriously
Speaker 6: and understanding that a Johnny's first year reflesh Refluce's first
Speaker 6: year back here. It's so many little things in situational
Speaker 6: football that gotta get communicated and gotta get taught.
Speaker 2: But when you can't figure out how to play the average.
Speaker 5: Have you been out the practice at all?
Speaker 16: Do chair?
Speaker 5: You got it?
Speaker 3: They only let you watch.
Speaker 5: Turnos happened within the first twenty minutes of practice.
Speaker 3: Well, they don't let you watch with so much and
Speaker 3: it's kind of bland, and they kick the media off
Speaker 3: and that's probably when they go and get the really news.
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Speaker 3: So we'll see he comes to see. I mean, I
Speaker 3: bring I bring up Mingo because lambs out right. I mean,
Speaker 3: so there's there's next man up. This this the cavalry
Speaker 3: that is coming. And you say you do that, but okay,
Speaker 3: it's what it is.
Speaker 4: I mean, right, it is what it is, you know.
Speaker 5: I mean, who you're gonna who are you gonna move to?
Speaker 5: I R for him.
Speaker 3: That's what you got.
Speaker 5: You got, you got Mingo coming back, You got clowny
Speaker 5: that you're bringing in for help.
Speaker 3: Like I mean, looking at Booker yesterday, it looks like
Speaker 3: he's gonna be hearing no time. So that brother was
Speaker 3: on that scooter looking like he was sixty this oh
Speaker 3: book Lord, oh lord, he ain't coming back next week.
Speaker 5: Hurting.
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