WEBVTT - Players Lounge: It’s Over With 0:00:02.120 --> 0:00:04.560 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:04.600 --> 0:00:06.400 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. 0:00:08.520 --> 0:00:11.000 Cowboys. 0:00:11.039 --> 0:00:16.280 This is the Players Lounge, broadcasting live from Dallas Cowboys 0:00:16.360 --> 0:00:21.680 World headquarters at the Star. Now your hosts Barry Church, 0:00:22.120 --> 0:00:27.640 Anthony dor set De Montree More and New He scrugs. 0:00:29.600 --> 0:00:32.000 It is time for the players laudes. Welcome here. I 0:00:32.200 --> 0:00:32.839 appreciate you. 0:00:32.880 --> 0:00:33.640 Appreciate you. 0:00:34.240 --> 0:00:42.519 Three former NFL players speaking of over there more we 0:00:42.680 --> 0:00:46.000 got buried Church, what you getting to come back. 0:00:47.920 --> 0:00:57.160 Past? Rush is looking at Jim debut, so hopefully he do. 0:00:57.160 --> 0:01:00.480 What he played, receiver or defensive he's playing. 0:01:00.480 --> 0:01:03.720 But you're ready for not hitting them with the Lee 0:01:03.920 --> 0:01:07.560 Collins treatment, say just in case they do. 0:01:07.640 --> 0:01:08.560 At the LC. 0:01:10.040 --> 0:01:11.800 What he said, I came through New Exit today. 0:01:11.800 --> 0:01:13.800 I can't get ready, ready to go. 0:01:13.880 --> 0:01:16.040 Hell didn't know they didn't get a great can get 0:01:16.080 --> 0:01:17.480 a call, didn't get the call. But to j V 0:01:17.600 --> 0:01:20.319 and Clowney should be making his debut for the Cat. 0:01:21.640 --> 0:01:24.240 They need all hands on deck for sure, They've got 0:01:24.280 --> 0:01:27.200 to so uh he'll play. And then becomes the issue 0:01:27.200 --> 0:01:29.039 of you do they put somebody on ir right now? 0:01:29.160 --> 0:01:32.240 I saw I saw Tyler Booker. They leave the locker 0:01:32.319 --> 0:01:36.080 room on a scooter scoot with a boot on scooter boot. 0:01:35.920 --> 0:01:36.759 That's never a good thing. 0:01:36.800 --> 0:01:38.280 We got the scooter roller, man. 0:01:38.440 --> 0:01:41.200 Boy. That's that's how you know when you if you 0:01:41.319 --> 0:01:43.000 playing or not. That week, when you hear a high 0:01:43.040 --> 0:01:45.480 ankle spring, you walk in there, you say, he's still 0:01:45.480 --> 0:01:47.960 walking on it. He might hit He got that boot 0:01:48.000 --> 0:01:49.680 on right afterwards in the skateboard. 0:01:49.720 --> 0:01:51.880 No pressure, you put, no pressure, said. 0:01:51.760 --> 0:01:53.040 I got at least by two or three. 0:01:53.760 --> 0:01:55.800 He was on the scooter walking with somebody, and I 0:01:55.840 --> 0:02:01.680 was like, it's over with, Like this is man. 0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:04.080 I'm still holding faith. Baby. 0:02:04.320 --> 0:02:07.200 That's for he's gonna full ceed. Land was here Monday, 0:02:07.200 --> 0:02:08.240 able the same thing you got. 0:02:08.240 --> 0:02:09.919 The school was over there. 0:02:09.960 --> 0:02:12.160 Having ankle springs ain't nothing to play with. 0:02:12.240 --> 0:02:13.080 Boy. Nah. 0:02:13.200 --> 0:02:16.160 You know once the tendons and ligaments get damaged, you know. 0:02:16.400 --> 0:02:18.520 Explain that for the listeners who don't get People say 0:02:18.600 --> 0:02:20.720 high ankle sprain. A lot of people never had it, 0:02:20.760 --> 0:02:22.960 and you're talking about playing at a professional level. 0:02:23.440 --> 0:02:26.160 Yeah, so high ankle sprain is not like you're a 0:02:26.280 --> 0:02:28.840 regular running the mill, roll your ankle when you like 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:32.480 stumble over something at the house. No, highdle sprain is 0:02:32.560 --> 0:02:35.720 almost like breaking something. But at the time, yeah, you're 0:02:35.800 --> 0:02:39.119 damaging ligaments and tendons. And depending on how boy those 0:02:39.160 --> 0:02:41.320 ligaments and tendons are, damage is gonna be whether you 0:02:41.360 --> 0:02:43.800 got grade one, grade two, grade three. And it's also 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:45.320 gonna let you know how long you're gonna be out, 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:47.880 because of course bones tend to heal a little bit 0:02:47.919 --> 0:02:51.280 faster sometimes than the ligaments and the tendons do. So 0:02:51.520 --> 0:02:54.359 that's that's that's what the high ankle sprain is based off. 0:02:54.360 --> 0:02:56.400 Thing you gotta throw in there. The X factor is 0:02:56.480 --> 0:03:00.120 when you start getting like these these numbing medications and 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:02.079 stuff like that, the team needs you to come back 0:03:02.160 --> 0:03:04.440 if you're desperate, if you're a guy that's like a 0:03:04.480 --> 0:03:07.320 George Picking that's in your contract year, Like those guys, 0:03:07.320 --> 0:03:09.359 we seen them rush back and be like, hey numb, 0:03:09.480 --> 0:03:10.920 he know, give me a quarter on shot, give me 0:03:10.960 --> 0:03:13.560 something to where I can go out there and not 0:03:13.639 --> 0:03:15.920 feel this pain, and you do more damage to that 0:03:15.960 --> 0:03:19.280 ligament in the long run. So with this is like 0:03:20.000 --> 0:03:21.960 do you rush them back too early? Like do you 0:03:22.040 --> 0:03:23.480 keep them out like an extra week? 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:25.880 Like hey man, when I was playing the Raiders, told 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:27.840 me one year that I had a high ankle sprain 0:03:28.480 --> 0:03:31.000 and I was in the boot throughout the course of 0:03:31.000 --> 0:03:33.400 the week, didn't practice, played on Sundays, and this happened, 0:03:33.440 --> 0:03:37.360 say like in November, right, we go to the championship 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:40.040 game that year against the Ravens. I think that's when 0:03:40.040 --> 0:03:41.880 the old boy flopped on gaining. 0:03:42.480 --> 0:03:42.680 Right. 0:03:42.760 --> 0:03:46.920 So I'm back home. You know, it's like March at 0:03:46.960 --> 0:03:49.880 the crib. Legs still on fire. Right, So I'm like, man, 0:03:49.960 --> 0:03:50.680 something ain't right. 0:03:50.760 --> 0:03:51.280 This can't be. 0:03:52.600 --> 0:03:53.960 So I called them up and like, I want to 0:03:54.000 --> 0:03:55.960 go see somebody else and get second opinion. So they 0:03:56.000 --> 0:03:57.560 was like, all right, let me know who you know, 0:03:57.720 --> 0:03:59.440 choose from everything. I say that, I go get a 0:03:59.480 --> 0:03:59.960 bone skin. 0:04:00.720 --> 0:04:00.920 Right. 0:04:01.280 --> 0:04:03.080 Come to find out my high ankle spring that they 0:04:03.160 --> 0:04:05.400 was telling me was actually a stress fracture. You know 0:04:05.440 --> 0:04:07.760 what I'm saying. Yeah, Now, I played on that stress 0:04:07.760 --> 0:04:10.760 fracture from from like like I said that October all 0:04:10.800 --> 0:04:15.920 the way through the championship game months right, So you 0:04:16.000 --> 0:04:18.159 understand when I'm sitting at home in April, my leg 0:04:18.200 --> 0:04:20.359 is still on fire. Go get this bone skin, dude, 0:04:20.360 --> 0:04:21.840 Like you know what's about to happen. He's like your 0:04:21.839 --> 0:04:23.120 bone was about to pop out your. 0:04:23.040 --> 0:04:26.360 Leg eventually you caught this when we caught it, you 0:04:26.400 --> 0:04:26.760 know what I mean. 0:04:26.839 --> 0:04:28.320 So he was getting them shots in the ankle. 0:04:28.360 --> 0:04:31.440 I was toward all shot okay, I was getting to it. 0:04:31.440 --> 0:04:33.440 All shots is getting quarters on. And then I was 0:04:33.440 --> 0:04:36.800 going to acupuncture twice a week, you know, like in 0:04:36.839 --> 0:04:40.000 the bay you can fire some good acupunct This old 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:41.840 lady that was hooking me up and like literally like 0:04:41.920 --> 0:04:44.240 it was. It was sustaining me and allowed me to 0:04:44.320 --> 0:04:46.000 be able to play on that broken leg that I 0:04:46.000 --> 0:04:47.800 thought was a high ankle spring for so long. 0:04:47.680 --> 0:04:50.240 And it ain't really like straight line after a while, 0:04:50.240 --> 0:04:52.719 straight line. Oh he's running straight, He's good. 0:04:52.760 --> 0:04:53.279 He can rush. 0:04:53.320 --> 0:04:56.880 It's that cutting, that lateral movement, that putting your foot 0:04:56.880 --> 0:04:58.760 in the ground and making the dynamic cut. 0:04:59.040 --> 0:04:59.760 That's when that thinks. 0:05:02.440 --> 0:05:04.880 Man, Oh yeah, I'm good at what they're gonna do 0:05:05.080 --> 0:05:07.159 is before like if you're a guy like so for me, 0:05:07.279 --> 0:05:09.360 I used to always love pushing it through injuries. Oh 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:11.360 yeah I got this, and coaches in them and they 0:05:11.360 --> 0:05:13.560 would know that I would go through like faking me 0:05:13.720 --> 0:05:15.520 and like you said, you get a little ankle spray 0:05:15.600 --> 0:05:17.560 going straight ahead, Oh yeah, I got this, and you 0:05:17.600 --> 0:05:20.359 got a little a little ginger gimp and then he's like, 0:05:20.400 --> 0:05:22.360 you know what, I like the way you did that. 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:24.360 That was fast break to the left, real quick. 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:27.520 A whole different. 0:05:28.600 --> 0:05:31.000 So this is very interesting. Tyler Book of the Rookie 0:05:31.360 --> 0:05:35.080 Starting Guard out. Uh gonna miss time with the hind 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:37.560 spring and so is ceed Lamb. So door set. When 0:05:37.600 --> 0:05:41.520 you go through this and they basically misdiagnosed you, what's 0:05:41.560 --> 0:05:47.520 your repercussion at all? Anything Workman's camp later on, and 0:05:48.640 --> 0:05:52.120 now that you're retired, do you have any residual Oh yeah. 0:05:52.040 --> 0:05:53.640 Yeah, yeah, like if you touched it, if you touch 0:05:53.720 --> 0:05:55.280 that part of my leg right now, you can still 0:05:55.279 --> 0:05:57.440 feel a little hump in there. It's days were like 0:05:57.520 --> 0:06:00.400 literally like it's like a nagging pain and stuff like that. 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:03.600 But you know, for the most part, I'm thankful and 0:06:03.640 --> 0:06:05.920 I'm grateful that like me listening to my body when 0:06:05.920 --> 0:06:08.279 I was still at home and then just ignore it 0:06:08.320 --> 0:06:10.000 and I actually went and saw somebody else, so you 0:06:10.000 --> 0:06:11.359 could have got it straight. 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:14.560 But that's that's one thing that I feel like we 0:06:14.720 --> 0:06:17.560 don't do a good job as players. Like if you've 0:06:17.560 --> 0:06:20.080 been I've been around some good vets justin Tugg. You know, 0:06:21.120 --> 0:06:26.080 guys like Olivier Vernon, like these guys Dfourd. They talked about, 0:06:26.160 --> 0:06:27.960 oh man, I can't wait till I get my benefits 0:06:27.960 --> 0:06:29.520 and this and that. But if you what they said, 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:31.120 if you know better, you do better. A lot of 0:06:31.120 --> 0:06:33.760 people don't realize that they have these benefits. And on 0:06:33.800 --> 0:06:36.920 top of that, you're in a player's mentality that when 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:39.440 you're retired, you don't really officially retire into a two 0:06:39.480 --> 0:06:41.640 year's post game because you got that one year where 0:06:41.640 --> 0:06:43.440 you're like, hey, I can still get it, I can 0:06:43.480 --> 0:06:45.240 still go through the mud and this and that, and 0:06:45.279 --> 0:06:47.440 then after that next year it's like you dealing with 0:06:47.520 --> 0:06:49.800 whatever feelings you're dealing with being off the field to 0:06:49.839 --> 0:06:52.200 where it's not until three or four years down the 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:55.120 line you're saying, oh man, this injury that I had, 0:06:55.120 --> 0:06:56.920 it starts to hurt. And then like you then mist 0:06:56.920 --> 0:07:00.919 your window opportunity to go get your line of duty 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:03.599 or go file for workers come to not even get paid, 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:05.920 but just to get your injuries covered. Like you got 0:07:05.920 --> 0:07:07.760 guys all the time that's talking about I need a 0:07:07.800 --> 0:07:10.560 hip or knee replacement, and because you didn't go back 0:07:10.680 --> 0:07:13.080 and just check on your what they say, read the 0:07:13.120 --> 0:07:16.320 frime friend with no so like guys like you and 0:07:16.400 --> 0:07:17.720 myself were getting tooken care of. 0:07:17.880 --> 0:07:20.800 Hey, but my dudes who played like my dad, they 0:07:20.840 --> 0:07:22.760 had no benefits. 0:07:22.280 --> 0:07:26.800 That's so crazy today. No, what's crazy today is that 0:07:26.880 --> 0:07:29.040 the players is they keep going dealing with these owners. 0:07:29.080 --> 0:07:32.960 Could go help them. Okay, they could go back there 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:35.280 and help a whole lot of people, but they won't. 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:38.000 So when this eighteenth game comes to the table in 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:40.800 the next CBA, the for Ransom, you could sit up 0:07:40.840 --> 0:07:43.960 here and say, hey, what about the other guys who 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:44.600 helped do this? 0:07:45.680 --> 0:07:47.239 But it's it's it's crazy. 0:07:47.280 --> 0:07:48.680 They rather be able to hit herbs. 0:07:48.720 --> 0:07:50.120 But that's that's what the crazy. 0:07:50.200 --> 0:07:53.640 But you'd rather be able to vote that you don't 0:07:53.640 --> 0:07:55.160 get tested and all that stuff. 0:07:56.080 --> 0:07:59.240 I mean, they got to give up like that every 0:07:59.320 --> 0:08:02.040 year because before they was testing for the herbs, they 0:08:02.120 --> 0:08:04.960 wasn't testing for HGH, and so it was something it 0:08:05.080 --> 0:08:07.120 was it was it was a you know what, giving 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:08.160 on that one. 0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:11.920 Doing the negotiation. And that's like us as former players, 0:08:11.960 --> 0:08:13.720 I feel like we got to do a better job 0:08:14.040 --> 0:08:17.000 at coming back and just staying in BALLD because it's 0:08:17.080 --> 0:08:19.440 not us that's going to be negotiating. It's gonna be 0:08:19.480 --> 0:08:22.360 the young guys. Michael Parkson's these younger guys that are 0:08:22.360 --> 0:08:24.960 coming up in the league. Uh, what's the kid out 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:27.720 in Tampa that's becoming the big star them? Like, those 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:29.840 are the players right there that you have to sit there. 0:08:30.040 --> 0:08:31.680 Those players are going to keep us in mind if 0:08:31.720 --> 0:08:33.880 you were a great og, if you told them about 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:35.920 the finis, if you took care of hey man, when 0:08:35.960 --> 0:08:38.960 y'all come up for negotiation, like, we're all included in this. 0:08:39.080 --> 0:08:41.920 And some guys are bitter or feel some type of 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:44.200 way where it's like, when I'm out the league, I'm 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:47.000 not going. For example, Sat Frans taking me out to 0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:50.720 the super Bowl, the former Super Bowl twenty twenty this 0:08:50.760 --> 0:08:53.200 past weekend. One of I had three guys tell me 0:08:53.240 --> 0:08:56.000 why are you going back to a reunion that y'all 0:08:56.040 --> 0:08:57.760 ben't win the super Bowl? And I'm like, one, you 0:08:57.800 --> 0:09:00.760 can network too. Some of y'all never gonna sniff this, 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:03.240 And it's like you're so bitter that you can't come 0:09:03.280 --> 0:09:05.560 back and talk to players to say, hey, how can 0:09:05.600 --> 0:09:07.880 we help and go back Like now, he said, it's 0:09:07.960 --> 0:09:09.559 up to us to go do it. And if I'm 0:09:09.600 --> 0:09:12.120 a young player, that's negotiating and I don't even know you, 0:09:12.160 --> 0:09:15.040 will have no like type of relationship with you. Why 0:09:15.040 --> 0:09:16.720 am I fighting for you? I'm fighting for myself. 0:09:16.840 --> 0:09:19.079 You know what every young player has to realize. 0:09:19.120 --> 0:09:21.360 And it was and and this is one of the 0:09:21.360 --> 0:09:24.079 things that and Gene Upshaw rest in peace, Gene. 0:09:24.360 --> 0:09:25.760 He came in the locker room and he said it 0:09:25.760 --> 0:09:26.079 one day. 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:28.160 He was like, Yeah, every young player gonna be an 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:32.440 old player, like when you can't hear it when you're 0:09:32.440 --> 0:09:34.480 young because you so you know what I mean. But like, 0:09:34.640 --> 0:09:36.160 and that's what everybody has to recognize. 0:09:36.200 --> 0:09:38.400 So you guys all play. This is just just me 0:09:38.520 --> 0:09:43.120 being an outside guy watching different sports go through their 0:09:43.160 --> 0:09:48.840 own collective bargain green Man, Why don't football players embed 0:09:48.880 --> 0:09:52.880 themselves with these baseball guys because they keep getting it 0:09:53.000 --> 0:09:56.960 right with these crazy pensions. Man, these guys are taken 0:09:57.080 --> 0:10:02.040 care of like no other. And understand there's more football players, 0:10:02.800 --> 0:10:06.760 but until football players are willing to miss some checks 0:10:06.840 --> 0:10:10.079 and withhold services, you're going to get nothing. And at 0:10:10.120 --> 0:10:16.200 the same time, too, hey, this guy played and did this, 0:10:16.600 --> 0:10:20.200 so you're sitting here getting it today. You owe him. 0:10:20.360 --> 0:10:23.800 Yeah, And it's the people that that can actually move 0:10:23.840 --> 0:10:26.600 the needle. And I'm talking about the quarterbacks, the guys 0:10:26.640 --> 0:10:29.760 that are the highest paid, of the highest paid, they're 0:10:29.800 --> 0:10:31.280 the ones that are going to have to make, you know, 0:10:31.360 --> 0:10:33.680 these decisions and reach out and say, hey, we gotta 0:10:33.679 --> 0:10:34.199 fight against this. 0:10:34.360 --> 0:10:36.520 But when you look at it, those type of guys, 0:10:36.520 --> 0:10:37.160 they're making so. 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:42.040 Much bread, they're set. But it's the other nine but 0:10:42.320 --> 0:10:45.400 the rosters that aren't getting these crazy checks that are like, hey, 0:10:45.600 --> 0:10:48.840 I need this. But the highest paid guys like, huh. 0:10:48.600 --> 0:10:50.720 So, I think I'm it's part of it though, like 0:10:50.800 --> 0:10:53.640 so like right now, they are automatically understanding that, like, 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:55.560 your quality of life later on is going to be 0:10:55.600 --> 0:10:57.280 so bad, you know what I mean, And they just 0:10:57.360 --> 0:10:59.719 breaking people off because they know the portion of that 0:10:59.800 --> 0:11:01.720 much that you're gonna be using for your health and 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:02.760 wellness later. 0:11:02.559 --> 0:11:04.400 On, it's gonna be a lot of that's going to 0:11:04.440 --> 0:11:05.000 be absorbed. 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:07.319 But one of the crazy things about it is that 0:11:07.520 --> 0:11:10.360 Goodell and his whole family have lifetime insurance. 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:13.120 That's what's wild, and it's not. 0:11:13.520 --> 0:11:15.200 It's not whyd how is it not? 0:11:15.679 --> 0:11:18.360 The reason is not wild because this man is sitting 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:20.560 here going to the very owners he works for, and 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:23.160 he's I'm riching you and giving you, guys what you want. 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:25.160 This is what I want from me. The man is 0:11:25.160 --> 0:11:28.680 smartough to go and negotiate for yourself. The players refuse 0:11:28.960 --> 0:11:30.280 to work for each other. 0:11:30.200 --> 0:11:32.680 And with each other. You answered your own question, like 0:11:33.559 --> 0:11:36.319 he can go negotiate that for himself. He's doing that 0:11:36.360 --> 0:11:40.800 amongst hisself. It's easier to negotiate and bargain with one 0:11:41.000 --> 0:11:43.760 or the fewer versus the many. Meaning when you go 0:11:43.800 --> 0:11:46.080 to baseball, it's not as many players. A lot of 0:11:46.080 --> 0:11:49.200 those guys are getting tooken well care of. Most of 0:11:49.240 --> 0:11:51.320 those guys on that team are getting taken care of. 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:54.360 So good, but they miss checked and do you guys 0:11:54.360 --> 0:11:54.880 don't do it? 0:11:55.400 --> 0:11:58.120 We want, but we won't do it because you have 0:11:58.720 --> 0:12:01.320 very few guys that have the really big million dollar checks. 0:12:01.400 --> 0:12:03.520 But you got a guy that just came in from 0:12:03.800 --> 0:12:06.880 college or something feeding the family that doesn't want. 0:12:06.720 --> 0:12:10.040 To it is that's right, because our game could be 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:12.400 you're not gonna walk out on the baseball field, and 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:14.160 nine times out of ten, the likelihood if you. 0:12:14.120 --> 0:12:17.520 Sustaining a career ending ending injury right then. 0:12:19.200 --> 0:12:21.000 But so so that's where like a lot of that 0:12:21.080 --> 0:12:22.120 plays into that too. 0:12:22.160 --> 0:12:23.319 As well, you know what I mean. 0:12:23.400 --> 0:12:25.880 So like when when you look at the guarantees between 0:12:25.880 --> 0:12:28.520 the between the two of them, like you can't say 0:12:28.520 --> 0:12:31.760 that it's more important for a baseball player to have 0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:34.280 benefits because just like I said, like that game is 0:12:34.320 --> 0:12:35.600 so far less dangerous. 0:12:35.679 --> 0:12:38.720 But your your first six years though you're not getting 0:12:38.760 --> 0:12:40.600 paid the big money. You got to put in six 0:12:40.679 --> 0:12:42.600 years before you get paid. But what I'm saying is 0:12:42.640 --> 0:12:45.920 that as a group, as a collective bargaining group, they 0:12:45.960 --> 0:12:49.000 all got together. They miss checks. They even had the 0:12:49.080 --> 0:12:52.080 higher paid dudes. Hey what is it you need? Get 0:12:52.120 --> 0:12:54.480 your set straight, and you got And I'm not trying 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:58.520 to pick on you as NFL guys. Dudes are not 0:12:58.559 --> 0:13:01.080 willing to miss checks and guys at the bottom are 0:13:01.120 --> 0:13:02.880 sitting here saying, hey man, I gotta get back. We 0:13:02.880 --> 0:13:05.480 don't get and you don't care. At some point time 0:13:05.480 --> 0:13:08.200 in baseball, you know what they intimidated me. Let you 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:11.199 not vote this ye were coming. We're throwing that. You 0:13:11.240 --> 0:13:14.000 know we're gonna get you off. Teams, they gonna get 0:13:14.000 --> 0:13:16.240 you off when dudes crossed. When dudes cross, the picking 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:19.600 lit bro it was rough top of trouble, but not 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:22.760 here if football man, it's guys don't want guys. 0:13:24.960 --> 0:13:29.600 They don't. But I will say I could see I 0:13:29.600 --> 0:13:33.520 could see it being more. It's a lot closer now 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:36.360 versus when you were playing, and you were playing, I 0:13:36.360 --> 0:13:38.800 feel like guys are a lot more less selfish. You're 0:13:39.040 --> 0:13:41.480 you're getting guys that's coming from the nil era that 0:13:41.520 --> 0:13:44.280 are actually taking care of their teammates and giving up 0:13:44.520 --> 0:13:46.920 versus where when we were doing it. I just wish 0:13:47.000 --> 0:13:49.360 an old head would have said, hey, young bull, I 0:13:49.400 --> 0:13:51.520 got you whatever you need. We're gonna hold this out 0:13:51.559 --> 0:13:53.280 for the long run. If they would have did that, 0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:56.120 hell yeah, I would have came full floods running, like 0:13:56.200 --> 0:13:59.199 everybody would have came. But they're like I said, I've 0:13:59.200 --> 0:14:00.839 been in the locker room where guys are like, man, 0:14:00.880 --> 0:14:02.439 if I hold out, would you hold out and I'll 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:04.120 take care of you? And they say yeah. But I've 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:05.679 been a part of the locker rooms where the big 0:14:05.760 --> 0:14:08.280 vets were like, boy, I got three kids at the 0:14:08.280 --> 0:14:10.280 house and one on the way this I'm. 0:14:10.200 --> 0:14:11.960 Trying to he was in a lockout year? 0:14:12.040 --> 0:14:19.080 Was that eleven? Yeah, you know how many vets was like, hey, 0:14:19.560 --> 0:14:20.320 let's stick together. 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:22.840 No, we got this. We'm gonna take you, man, wasn't the. 0:14:23.040 --> 0:14:23.760 Soul out there? 0:14:24.440 --> 0:14:26.920 Check in a soul out and look that's howd on 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:27.840 that lockout last year. 0:14:27.840 --> 0:14:31.760 I mean, it's just And who will do is they 0:14:31.800 --> 0:14:35.080 give you on't give you a little bit? Hey, y'all 0:14:35.080 --> 0:14:37.680 don't want to get tested for this, this and this. Okay, 0:14:37.680 --> 0:14:41.280 here you go, Y'all'm not gonna like so we'll take you, 0:14:41.280 --> 0:14:43.400 but we're gonna take all this back end money that 0:14:43.440 --> 0:14:46.120 we normally give y'all when y'all retire. Where it's so 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:48.600 harder now for people to get line of duty. 0:14:48.560 --> 0:14:50.560 Like this is a this is a they make line 0:14:50.680 --> 0:14:53.160 du explain line of duty. 0:14:53.280 --> 0:14:55.520 I know somebody got their line of duty taking away 0:14:55.600 --> 0:14:56.520 that in this bill. 0:14:58.000 --> 0:15:00.320 Cruity is a benefit that you earned just you have 0:15:00.400 --> 0:15:03.360 workers come like after a certain it's a point skill 0:15:03.720 --> 0:15:06.400 after you didn't play football for so long. You can 0:15:06.440 --> 0:15:09.520 get it either for being physically unable to perform or 0:15:09.640 --> 0:15:12.520 mentally at a certain level to where you can't function 0:15:12.600 --> 0:15:17.080 in society, and they pay you x amount of money over. 0:15:17.240 --> 0:15:19.000 For the rest of your life, the lifetime. 0:15:19.040 --> 0:15:21.080 And that's if you get the lifetime on if you 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:25.000 don't get it, they have they have tmp that only 0:15:25.080 --> 0:15:28.360 lasts for seven years. You earn these benefits after you 0:15:28.400 --> 0:15:31.760 play for three point five years. But they're also once 0:15:31.800 --> 0:15:36.160 you get this benefit, there's certain uh, there's certain barriers 0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:38.240 in the way. You can't make a certain amount of money. 0:15:38.240 --> 0:15:40.320 You can't be doing this. That's the lifetime that if 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:45.760 you have a lifetime benefit, can't be out or all 0:15:45.840 --> 0:15:48.520 that they want They want all of it back, and 0:15:48.560 --> 0:15:50.960 they just make it so difficult. And mind you, this 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:52.560 is this is the game that you played. 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:57.400 That's it's good. Okay, So some point now now people 0:15:57.440 --> 0:15:57.960 have a little bit. 0:15:57.880 --> 0:15:59.240 Of under benefits went like that. 0:15:59.280 --> 0:16:02.359 They was like, because I had had so many surgeries 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:04.280 so I didn't even have to go get like a 0:16:04.320 --> 0:16:04.960 doctor or nothing. 0:16:04.960 --> 0:16:06.360 That they were just like, oh, yeah, you got the point. 0:16:06.400 --> 0:16:08.080 Here take it. And I was like, all right, bet no, 0:16:08.520 --> 0:16:10.160 that's not like I was able to get it real quick. 0:16:10.760 --> 0:16:12.480 Are there any restrictions you have? 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:15.160 No, No, I didn't get the lifetime So I got minds 0:16:15.280 --> 0:16:18.600 last over eight years, and I get X amount of 0:16:18.640 --> 0:16:21.240 months from the NFL for the next eight years just 0:16:21.280 --> 0:16:23.680 because my surgeries added up to let's just call it 0:16:23.720 --> 0:16:26.480 twelve points. It's a twelve point scale, and mine's added 0:16:26.520 --> 0:16:27.360 all the way up to there. 0:16:27.720 --> 0:16:28.320 So I didn't. 0:16:28.320 --> 0:16:30.200 And if you don't, sometimes you got to go to 0:16:30.200 --> 0:16:32.400 another doctor and say, oh, well this was wrong with 0:16:32.480 --> 0:16:33.720 him and that was wrong with us. So you got 0:16:33.760 --> 0:16:35.480 to kind of manufacture your way to get up to 0:16:35.520 --> 0:16:38.400 those points. But for me, I mean I had you know, arms, 0:16:38.480 --> 0:16:39.040 legs back. 0:16:39.680 --> 0:16:41.240 Does that apply to your father at all? Who's the 0:16:41.240 --> 0:16:42.400 Hall of Fame Tony Dorsett? 0:16:42.480 --> 0:16:43.360 What do you mean? They didn't have? 0:16:44.880 --> 0:16:46.800 And so those benefits that like some of the church 0:16:46.880 --> 0:16:49.480 has not available to him at all, right, And when 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:51.320 they've come up with a new collective barter ge, they 0:16:51.320 --> 0:16:52.920 haven't decided to try to get them in there. 0:16:53.120 --> 0:16:56.960 So so the whole situation with my dad and CTE 0:16:57.600 --> 0:17:00.760 and the League basically not saying that they want to 0:17:00.840 --> 0:17:04.880 accept responsibility for it, but actually participating in the responsibility 0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:07.880 of financially taking care of certain people for it. So 0:17:08.240 --> 0:17:09.960 my dad is actually part of one of these people 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:12.000 that's involved in this one program that the League is 0:17:12.000 --> 0:17:14.880 set up, and so literally he actually does get some 0:17:14.920 --> 0:17:17.800 type of benefit, but it's not the same as like 0:17:17.800 --> 0:17:19.720 like like what we're talking about now, you know what 0:17:19.720 --> 0:17:23.360 I mean? And unfortunately for him, well fortunately for him 0:17:23.560 --> 0:17:25.639 was he was creative with some annuities things that he 0:17:25.720 --> 0:17:27.719 set up years ago, you know what I mean. But 0:17:27.720 --> 0:17:29.800