WEBVTT - Part One: The Eternal Fascist 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:09.159 M. What's Katie and mc Cody's Robert Evans here with 0:00:09.280 --> 0:00:12.600 Cody Johnston and Katie Stole And this is a special 0:00:13.280 --> 0:00:19.880 seven part episodes Hin the Bastards. Um, Hello, how are 0:00:19.920 --> 0:00:26.200 you hell? Doing good? Ready? We're here already, We're back 0:00:26.239 --> 0:00:29.400 from vacation. We watched the debates last night. We did. 0:00:29.520 --> 0:00:31.960 We're all a little bit strung out, a little strung out, 0:00:32.640 --> 0:00:34.640 so let me tell you, let me, let me explain 0:00:34.800 --> 0:00:37.640 what's going on today. This is a podcast where every 0:00:37.680 --> 0:00:39.879 week I talked about the worst people in all of 0:00:39.920 --> 0:00:42.800 history and exhaustive detail, and a couple of months ago 0:00:43.360 --> 0:00:47.400 we talked about a particularly shitty person named George Lincoln Rockwell. 0:00:48.520 --> 0:00:52.360 Three part episode was to act as a a booster 0:00:52.640 --> 0:00:56.080 for a go fund me campaign I had to raise 0:00:56.160 --> 0:01:00.400 money for conflict journalism, and in exchange for getting funded, 0:01:00.440 --> 0:01:02.440 I promised to write an audio book called The War 0:01:02.520 --> 0:01:04.959 on Everyone, which I have written in which I have read, 0:01:05.000 --> 0:01:07.560 and by the time this airs will be available on 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:09.920 the website if you go to the War on Everyone 0:01:10.160 --> 0:01:13.920 dot com. Uh you following through on your promises? Look 0:01:13.959 --> 0:01:17.760 in me following through on my promises? Uh? So. I 0:01:17.800 --> 0:01:20.600 also went to Syria with the money made for that 0:01:20.640 --> 0:01:24.600 and just now got back. Now. One of the caveats 0:01:24.760 --> 0:01:26.959 of doing things like going to Syria for two weeks 0:01:27.480 --> 0:01:29.760 is that it would cause me to fall behind and 0:01:29.880 --> 0:01:31.840 collapse in on myself like a dying star if I 0:01:31.880 --> 0:01:36.039 tried to keep up with my workload. So in addition 0:01:36.080 --> 0:01:39.240 to running, just me reading the audio book on the 0:01:39.240 --> 0:01:42.360 website for free ad free, as I promised forever you know, 0:01:42.760 --> 0:01:45.080 no no cost, no ads, you can just listen to 0:01:45.120 --> 0:01:47.520 the audio book. I'm also going to read the audio 0:01:47.560 --> 0:01:49.960 book to y'all and have it as a special two 0:01:50.000 --> 0:01:52.480 weeks section of the show because that allows me to 0:01:53.080 --> 0:01:56.000 both do the trip and not die from overworking. It's 0:01:56.000 --> 0:01:58.680 a wonderful plan, So thank you both for helping me 0:01:58.840 --> 0:02:01.400 make this possible. Listening to I just want you to 0:02:01.480 --> 0:02:05.960 hear how loud this script is. It's hefty. It made 0:02:05.960 --> 0:02:08.480 the whole table shake three words. We got a lot 0:02:08.480 --> 0:02:12.640 to get through. It's like, yeah, like sixty something pages. 0:02:13.880 --> 0:02:16.560 Now to accompany us, I have, of course my traditional 0:02:16.800 --> 0:02:19.240 sera lee throwing bagels, but I also have some new 0:02:19.280 --> 0:02:22.320 throwing equipment. I have some Mots brand apple juice and 0:02:22.360 --> 0:02:25.760 a plastic container. I have a metal Starbucks refreshers. And 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:28.600 I also have a metal can of Lacroix. I have 0:02:28.760 --> 0:02:32.560 this mayonnaise squeeze to I'm very excited to see what 0:02:32.560 --> 0:02:35.160 happens with that. And I have a partially open sack 0:02:35.200 --> 0:02:42.240 of oranges. So, clement Um, the full drinks make me nervous. 0:02:42.639 --> 0:02:45.360 We should all be nervous, A little bit slowed on 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:48.280 all this electrical garrity. Might I threw a can of 0:02:48.840 --> 0:02:51.840 coffee earlier off the air and it didn't burst. You 0:02:51.880 --> 0:02:53.880 also threw a knife at stove Sophie. I threw a 0:02:53.960 --> 0:02:56.720 knife towards Sophie show she could open something with it. 0:02:56.880 --> 0:02:59.959 What happened though, Well, she ran out of the way. 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:02.400 And also what happened What happened to the knife? Well, 0:03:02.440 --> 0:03:05.200 it open when it hit the ground. Do you think 0:03:05.200 --> 0:03:07.120 maybe it could have opened with hit her hand if 0:03:07.120 --> 0:03:09.120 she tried to catch it. No, that's never happened with 0:03:09.120 --> 0:03:17.320 a knife before. You people were not here. You people, 0:03:17.720 --> 0:03:20.240 this is your audio. But I could throw the knife too. 0:03:20.320 --> 0:03:24.280 That is a good point, Cody, thank you. I'm so sorry. 0:03:24.440 --> 0:03:26.440 Well what's fun about that is it's going to bounce 0:03:26.440 --> 0:03:28.520 off these soundboards and I don't know what will happen 0:03:28.520 --> 0:03:30.760 that it's gonna be interesting. Everyone, protect your eyes. Is 0:03:30.800 --> 0:03:34.280 that mayonnaise opened yet? Hasn't been opened? No, it has 0:03:34.280 --> 0:03:37.760 been opened. Let's see if it has the foil on it? Yes, okay, 0:03:38.040 --> 0:03:40.600 that's what I want to know. Should I brought it up? 0:03:40.640 --> 0:03:43.600 And I shouldn't have said anything. Cody hates I do 0:03:43.680 --> 0:03:54.480 hate mayonnaise. I have inappropriate nicknames for it. The Devil's come. Okay, Yeah, 0:03:54.680 --> 0:03:57.160 see what I told you. Well, at some point in 0:03:57.200 --> 0:03:58.960 this episode, I'm going to lick the bottom of this 0:03:59.080 --> 0:04:01.360 mayonnaise in a way that will be calculated to make 0:04:01.720 --> 0:04:04.800 you feel uncomfortable. Thank you, Thank me, though, I'm fine 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:12.080 with it you maybe Devil's com angels come. There's there's 0:04:12.080 --> 0:04:17.120 a distinctly non zero change. We will all have the 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:19.200 apple juice. Sounds delicious, thank you. Yeah, I want the 0:04:19.240 --> 0:04:22.000 apple juice, and then maybe one of those refreshers. Yeah, 0:04:22.080 --> 0:04:24.159 there's there's more in the fridge. These are for throwing. 0:04:25.440 --> 0:04:28.279 What do you do with them post throw? Though? And 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:30.480 everything about what happens to things after I throw them? 0:04:30.520 --> 0:04:34.520 So I could scavenge for those potentially, Yeah, theoretically, theoretically, 0:04:34.960 --> 0:04:36.520 but I'm gonna wait to throw them until we get 0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:39.159 a little bit further into the show today, he's yourself, Cody, 0:04:39.279 --> 0:04:45.440 You mean after we've started, after we finally started vamping 0:04:45.480 --> 0:04:47.839 for twenty minutes. Yeah, well we had a lot to 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:49.760 get through. Yeah, we had to talk about Devil's com 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:52.960 Angels Come. But why would it be angels come, Cody 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:57.320 saying that I like all kinds of come Devil's Come, 0:04:57.360 --> 0:05:01.080 Angels Come. Yes, do I regret it absolutely, because now 0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:03.400 it's on the Internet forever and there's no way it 0:05:03.400 --> 0:05:06.840 can be edited out. No, you can't edit audio. So 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:13.080 without further ado, the war on everyone. Thank you, Thank 0:05:13.120 --> 0:05:18.640 you for that reaction. Chapter one, The Eternal Fascist m hmm. 0:05:19.760 --> 0:05:23.680 On November nine, tenth night, Nazi stormtroopers and party members 0:05:23.680 --> 0:05:27.120 took to the streets of cities throughout Germany. They burned synagogues, 0:05:27.200 --> 0:05:30.040 shattered the windows of Jewish owned buildings, beaten, murdered hundreds 0:05:30.080 --> 0:05:32.920 upon hundreds of Jewish people in the streets. This bloody 0:05:32.920 --> 0:05:36.120 pegram is known to history as Christal Knocked, the Night 0:05:36.200 --> 0:05:38.719 of Broken Glass. It's one of those moments in history 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:40.920 so shocking and brutal that it's become stained in our 0:05:40.920 --> 0:05:44.000 collective consciousness. A single moment of horror forever printed on 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:46.960 the human psyche. Adolf Hitler and the other members of 0:05:46.960 --> 0:05:49.560 the Nazi high command considered Christal Knock to have been 0:05:49.600 --> 0:05:52.520 a failure. Rather than being enthused by the violence, the 0:05:52.520 --> 0:05:55.799 German people were horrified by this outpouring of brutality. World 0:05:55.880 --> 0:05:58.960 media harshly condemned Hitler's regime, and from their plush offices 0:05:59.000 --> 0:06:01.320 in Berlin, the Fewer and his inner circle began to 0:06:01.320 --> 0:06:04.720 revise their plans on how to sell anti Semitic brutality 0:06:04.960 --> 0:06:09.720 to their people. M Joseph Gebbels decided that film was 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:11.960 the right medium to help crack this nut. His efforts 0:06:11.960 --> 0:06:15.440 culminated in the nineteen forty production The Eternal Jew. The 0:06:15.520 --> 0:06:18.640 essential through line of this particularly vile piece of propaganda 0:06:18.720 --> 0:06:20.800 was the idea that Jewish people were an age old 0:06:20.839 --> 0:06:24.080 parasitic force leaching off their host nations and almost habitually 0:06:24.120 --> 0:06:27.320 working to undermine and destabilize them. As with most pieces 0:06:27.320 --> 0:06:30.080 of racist propaganda, the Eternal Jew reveals more about the 0:06:30.080 --> 0:06:32.640 men who made it than it does about Judaism. There 0:06:32.720 --> 0:06:36.599 is no eternal Jew, but there might be an eternal Fascist. 0:06:37.320 --> 0:06:39.920 Umberto Echo was probably the first person to really grasp 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:42.719 this idea and try to define it. His nine essay 0:06:42.880 --> 0:06:45.159 or Fascism is still one of the single best pieces 0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:48.280 of writing on the subject. Now Echo is an Italian novelist, 0:06:48.480 --> 0:06:50.840 a literary critic, and a professor who was born into 0:06:50.839 --> 0:06:53.719 Fascist Italy. In nineteen forty two, at the age of ten, 0:06:53.800 --> 0:06:56.080 he won an award in a provincial competition for young 0:06:56.120 --> 0:06:58.600 fascists where he gave an elaborate positive answer to the 0:06:58.720 --> 0:07:01.520 question should we die for the glory of Mussolini and 0:07:01.520 --> 0:07:04.599 the immortal destiny of Italy? I mean, that is a 0:07:04.600 --> 0:07:07.239 good question. I asked myself that every day. Good question 0:07:07.240 --> 0:07:09.680 for a ten year old? Should we die for the 0:07:09.720 --> 0:07:14.680 glory of Mussolini? Um? No, you're not going to get 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:22.400 an award? Yeah? Yeah, no, no is now. Echo came 0:07:22.440 --> 0:07:25.280 to hate fascism slightly later in life, and he came 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:27.400 to also love the partisans and rebels who fought back 0:07:27.400 --> 0:07:30.200 against Banita Mussolini's regime. As he grew older and began 0:07:30.240 --> 0:07:32.280 to analyze his world and the history behind the war 0:07:32.320 --> 0:07:35.040 that had torn apart his childhood, Echo found himself drawn 0:07:35.080 --> 0:07:40.280 again and again to a single question, what is a fascist? Now? 0:07:40.440 --> 0:07:43.720 That's not an easy question to answer. Most dictionary definitions 0:07:43.760 --> 0:07:45.600 you will find for the word fascism leave rather a 0:07:45.600 --> 0:07:49.800 lot to be desired. Here's Miriam Webster's definition. A political philosophy, 0:07:49.800 --> 0:07:52.120 movement or regime such as that of the FASCISTI that 0:07:52.200 --> 0:07:54.680 exalts nation and often race above the individual, and that 0:07:54.760 --> 0:07:58.120 stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, 0:07:58.120 --> 0:08:03.040 severe economic and social regimentation, and an enforcible suppression of opposition. Now, 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:06.080 like that works for the Nazis, but it does for 0:08:06.160 --> 0:08:11.720 like Mao too, like every dictary very frustrating definition. Yeah, 0:08:11.800 --> 0:08:16.960 it requires like the end to be what is happening? Yeah, 0:08:17.200 --> 0:08:20.960 I like I and kind of that's so frustratingly much 0:08:21.120 --> 0:08:24.480 on the internet, Like it's not they're not doing this. Yeah, 0:08:24.560 --> 0:08:27.240 so well that's not how it works. Yeah. So does 0:08:27.240 --> 0:08:29.840 that mean that, like the Nazi brown Shirts weren't fascist 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:35.520 because there wasn't a regime, but pinpoint the different stages, Yeah, 0:08:35.559 --> 0:08:38.400 where they're fashist and yeah, German and twenties or like not, 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:41.079 what do you Yeah, Yeah, it's just it's like picking 0:08:41.120 --> 0:08:43.000 an endpoint. And it also it's just like you can 0:08:43.000 --> 0:08:45.360 apply that to Stalin and like if the same definition 0:08:45.559 --> 0:08:49.080 applies a fascism applies to Stalin and Hitler. I think 0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:52.640 it's a good definition of fascist. Also, people just generally 0:08:53.240 --> 0:08:57.120 just sort of they switched the word fascist with authoritarian 0:08:57.320 --> 0:09:01.040 and that's what they think it is. And no, it's 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:06.400 it's fascism is authoritarian, but authoritarianism isn't fascism. And it's 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:09.240 a square aramb us kind of deal. It's very frustrating, Yeah, 0:09:09.280 --> 0:09:11.640 And I think one of the reasons that that definition 0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:15.160 is so frustrating to me is that it equates fascism 0:09:15.160 --> 0:09:17.800 to like every other system that ends with like dictators 0:09:17.800 --> 0:09:20.520 and stuff, like you said, with authoritarianism. And I think 0:09:20.559 --> 0:09:22.880 one of the things that it leaves out that's most 0:09:22.880 --> 0:09:26.400 important about fascism is that fascism isn't just a system 0:09:26.440 --> 0:09:29.560 that involves dictators. It's a system that arises out of 0:09:29.640 --> 0:09:33.360 and murders democracies. Like that's where fascism tends to come from, 0:09:33.400 --> 0:09:37.800 because it kills republics. It's a frustration with democracy. It's 0:09:37.800 --> 0:09:39.920 frustrating a lot of things. It's action to a lot 0:09:39.920 --> 0:09:41.880 of things. It's a reaction to a lot of things, 0:09:41.920 --> 0:09:45.680 but specifically it um it like like most of their 0:09:45.720 --> 0:09:49.040 dictatorships come from another kind of dictatorship, Like you know, 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:51.400 we got the U. S. S R. Out of the CSARS, 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:54.480 and like neither government was good like as opposed to 0:09:54.520 --> 0:09:58.120 like we got the Nazis out of Uh, it's a 0:09:58.200 --> 0:10:02.160 republic by my republic. Yeah. That's why I like a 0:10:02.160 --> 0:10:05.120 lot of what Robert Paxson writes too, because he goes 0:10:05.160 --> 0:10:08.600 through the fascism scholar Robert Pattinson actually stages that you 0:10:08.640 --> 0:10:10.440 go through. It's like, well, no, it starts here, and 0:10:10.480 --> 0:10:12.600 then you go to this phase and then it's this 0:10:12.679 --> 0:10:15.080 sort of thing, and it's it's a it's an evolution 0:10:15.240 --> 0:10:18.040 of a movement less than it is, like here's what 0:10:18.240 --> 0:10:20.760 I want the government to be. Yeah, And what I 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:23.920 like about Umberto Echo is that he understood that fascism 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:27.320 was a singular and specific thing, accepted from the rest 0:10:27.320 --> 0:10:30.480 of authoritarianism, and deserved to be studied separately because of 0:10:30.520 --> 0:10:35.400 its ability to kill vibrant, healthy democratic societies. Um And 0:10:35.640 --> 0:10:38.840 I like that echo when he tried to define fascism 0:10:38.880 --> 0:10:41.360 and that or fascism essay, he wasn't just sort of 0:10:41.400 --> 0:10:44.479 looking back into the past. He was trying to analyze 0:10:44.520 --> 0:10:46.840 kind of the things that are timeless about the mental 0:10:46.880 --> 0:10:49.920 impulses behind fascism, so that he could provide a definition 0:10:49.960 --> 0:10:53.080 that would be useful to recognizing it again when it 0:10:53.120 --> 0:10:55.400 came about in the future, rather than just like being like, 0:10:55.600 --> 0:10:57.880 is this what the Germans were doing in nineteen twenty, No, 0:10:57.960 --> 0:11:00.840 then it's not fascism. Yeah, is like a good start 0:11:00.920 --> 0:11:03.520 to the conversation about what is fascism? Yeah? Yeah, it's 0:11:03.520 --> 0:11:06.760 a great start. Um. So in that essay he wrote, quote, 0:11:06.960 --> 0:11:08.640 I think it is possible to outline a list of 0:11:08.640 --> 0:11:10.440 features that are typical of what I would like to 0:11:10.480 --> 0:11:13.960 call er fascism or eternal fascism. These features cannot be 0:11:14.040 --> 0:11:16.520 organized into a system. Many of them contradict each other 0:11:16.559 --> 0:11:19.800 and are also typical of other kinds of despotism or fanaticism. 0:11:19.800 --> 0:11:21.520 But it is enough that one of them be present 0:11:21.559 --> 0:11:24.720 to allow fascism to coagulate around it. Like that idea 0:11:24.760 --> 0:11:27.080 that it's like there's a couple of different things that 0:11:27.160 --> 0:11:30.439 fascism like it's magnetic that it pulls these things in 0:11:30.480 --> 0:11:34.440 and it becomes fascism. Um, But it's not guaranteed to 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:36.679 do so, because each of these things can form other 0:11:36.800 --> 0:11:39.800 things too, Yeah, and they can fall apart. Yeah, yeah, 0:11:39.880 --> 0:11:41.760 you know, it can start and then it just doesn't, 0:11:41.840 --> 0:11:44.720 like it did. We talked about Oswald Moseley together, like 0:11:44.720 --> 0:11:47.200 it started to in England but then fell apart. Yeah, 0:11:47.280 --> 0:11:50.679 it doesn't always continue to that endpoint. Marion Webster was right, 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:57.720 but it's still that was fascism. It's just not the Yeah, 0:11:57.720 --> 0:12:00.320 so echoes concept of eternal fascism start it with a 0:12:00.360 --> 0:12:02.880 cult of tradition, the belief that truth has been already 0:12:02.880 --> 0:12:04.640 spelled out once and for all, and we can only 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:08.880 keep interpreting its obscure message. Um, whether you're looking at 0:12:08.880 --> 0:12:10.920 like the Nazis and their concept of like the the 0:12:11.720 --> 0:12:15.559 Aryan civilization, or you're looking at say modern American fascism 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:17.040 and this idea that there was a point in which 0:12:17.080 --> 0:12:19.200 America was great and perfect that we need to get 0:12:19.200 --> 0:12:21.960 back to. Like that that that seems like a really Yeah, 0:12:22.040 --> 0:12:25.560 that seems like a key aspect of fascism. Um now 0:12:25.679 --> 0:12:29.800 it it You could kind of translate this to conservatism, 0:12:29.880 --> 0:12:32.640 which doesn't mean that conservatives are all fascists, but it 0:12:32.679 --> 0:12:37.160 does mean that fascism always just states inside a conservative movement. Yeah, 0:12:37.920 --> 0:12:43.760 usually like a reaction to like liberal movements. Liberal developments. Yeah, yeah, 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:46.199 and if that's another frustrating thing where like you don't 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:48.560 want to say, like you're all fascists, but it is 0:12:48.800 --> 0:12:51.600 there is no end of like a lot of these 0:12:51.640 --> 0:12:53.680 beliefs and a lot of these things you're holding onto 0:12:54.200 --> 0:12:58.280 can uh like it's coagulated around it. And yeah, I 0:12:58.360 --> 0:13:03.920 just the word coagulate. I love the word coagulated. I 0:13:03.920 --> 0:13:06.040 think a good way to look at fascism is like 0:13:06.520 --> 0:13:10.280 conservatives are the crew of the Nostromo in the first 0:13:10.320 --> 0:13:15.800 Alien movie, and fascism is the chest burster that comes 0:13:15.800 --> 0:13:19.200 out of that guy's chest dinner. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Like 0:13:19.280 --> 0:13:22.120 he's not an alien, but he gives birth to one 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:25.960 in the same way that conservatism can give birth to fascism. 0:13:26.280 --> 0:13:28.280 And then yeah, and then they help, and then they 0:13:28.320 --> 0:13:31.160 can many can slowly turn into them. Yeah, and some 0:13:31.200 --> 0:13:33.680 of them fight it with flamethrowers but fail because they 0:13:33.760 --> 0:13:35.920 wind up getting into the vincent stuff. And like, you 0:13:35.920 --> 0:13:37.960 shouldn't fight an alien in the events, nor should you 0:13:38.000 --> 0:13:40.640 fight fascism on its own terms. There's a lot of 0:13:40.760 --> 0:13:44.719 political lessons to be gleaned from Alien And that's your 0:13:44.840 --> 0:13:48.520 next audio book. What Ridley Scott's Alien has to teach 0:13:48.600 --> 0:13:52.240 us about the nature of fascism. So the next thing 0:13:52.600 --> 0:13:55.760 that Echo stated as sort of like a key to 0:13:55.840 --> 0:13:58.320 fascism or is like a piece of earth. Fascism is 0:13:58.320 --> 0:14:01.520 a rejection of modernism, particular, literally a rejection of modern 0:14:01.559 --> 0:14:04.800 depravity as traditionally marginalized in a press group stand up 0:14:04.800 --> 0:14:07.920 for human rights and modern societies. Fascists will inevitably seek 0:14:07.960 --> 0:14:11.040 to reverse these trends. The first books The Nazis Burned, 0:14:11.040 --> 0:14:15.120 where Magnus Hirschfeld's library of research on transgender individuals. Hatred 0:14:15.160 --> 0:14:17.760 of transmitted women is still a central unifying tenant of 0:14:17.800 --> 0:14:21.200 modern fascism. And then there's the cult of action for 0:14:21.240 --> 0:14:24.120 action's sake, expressed as a worship of the soldier, of 0:14:24.160 --> 0:14:25.760 the man with a gun in his hand, willing to 0:14:25.800 --> 0:14:28.960 do violence at a moment's notice. For fascists, according to Echo, 0:14:29.280 --> 0:14:33.840 thinking is a form of emasculation. Great line, Yeah, king 0:14:33.960 --> 0:14:37.920 is a form of emasculation. Yeah yeah. Thinking too long 0:14:37.960 --> 0:14:42.080 about something is like it's unmanly. You just got to 0:14:42.160 --> 0:14:46.040 take action now. Echo also recognized a rejection of criticism 0:14:46.040 --> 0:14:49.480 and disagreement as central to fascism. Quote, the critical spirit 0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:53.160 makes distinctions and to distinguish is a sign of modernism. Now. 0:14:53.200 --> 0:14:56.200 I find this interesting because in our modern era, eight 0:14:56.320 --> 0:14:58.880 Chance poll Board is one of the largest gathering places 0:14:58.880 --> 0:15:01.080 for neo Nazis on the Internet. It's the community that 0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:04.360 spawned both the christ Church massacre and the Pawey Synagogue shooting. 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:06.960 It was formed as a direct result of gamer Gate, 0:15:07.040 --> 0:15:09.640 and gamer Gate was of course a reactionary movement inspired 0:15:09.640 --> 0:15:14.720 by rage at video game critics and reviewers, primarily female 0:15:15.040 --> 0:15:20.200 video game critics interviewers. We're talking about. Yeah, I find 0:15:20.200 --> 0:15:23.080 it interesting that back in the nineteen nineties, Echo looking 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:25.640 back at the past determines that, like, it's a rejection 0:15:25.800 --> 0:15:31.080 of criticism. Um. And then where do we see this 0:15:31.120 --> 0:15:33.600 modern movement first really start to bubble up in a 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:35.840 meaningful way. It's two thousand and fourteen in gamer Gate. 0:15:36.240 --> 0:15:38.840 That's the precursor to the Trump campaign in a lot 0:15:38.880 --> 0:15:41.520 of ways. Definitely has a lot of the same shades. Yeah. Yeah, 0:15:41.680 --> 0:15:43.440 really interesting to me, and part of why I think 0:15:43.480 --> 0:15:47.800 echoes analysis is so good because you can look forward 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:51.000 from the analysis and see that he really nailed something. Yeah, 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:54.440 mostly everything he says in that it's like oh yeah, yeah, 0:15:54.440 --> 0:16:00.640 fuck fuck yeah. So racism and hatred of diversity, exploitation 0:16:00.680 --> 0:16:03.280 of the natural, fear of differences. Uh, these are the 0:16:03.320 --> 0:16:07.320 other other characteristics of earth fascism. Echo recognized earth fascism 0:16:07.320 --> 0:16:10.280 as derived from social frustration, generally rising out of an 0:16:10.320 --> 0:16:13.560 appeal to a frustrated middle class, a class suffering from 0:16:13.640 --> 0:16:17.320 economic crisis or feelings of political humiliation and frightened by 0:16:17.320 --> 0:16:20.640 the pressure of lower social groups. You could translate that 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:25.119 in America as fear of white people in the disappearing 0:16:25.120 --> 0:16:29.040 white middle class of you know what is reality just 0:16:29.160 --> 0:16:32.800 like growing a quality of lower other color and social groups, 0:16:32.800 --> 0:16:37.400 but looks like losing grounds if you sort of self victimization, 0:16:37.480 --> 0:16:39.800 kind of like viewing yourself as a victim when that's 0:16:39.800 --> 0:16:43.320 not actually not quite seems like everywhere all the time 0:16:43.560 --> 0:16:48.840 would be ripe for fascism because you know, hit complex 0:16:48.880 --> 0:16:52.720 society I think is yeah, there's diversity and democracy and 0:16:53.360 --> 0:16:55.760 things like that and just like um, you know, a 0:16:55.800 --> 0:17:02.720 manipulation of these innate human based years. Yeah, a complex 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:06.159 free society is never more than about four years away 0:17:06.320 --> 0:17:10.240 from fascism, I think. Yeah. I think America is especially 0:17:10.320 --> 0:17:14.800 unique to just because of our our claimed to drive 0:17:15.000 --> 0:17:19.200 for like multiculturalism and and you know, or a country 0:17:19.200 --> 0:17:23.360 of immigrants, all that kind of talk. It's easy to exploit, 0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:27.000 yeah and blame. Yeah, and it's it's like part of 0:17:27.000 --> 0:17:30.680 the appeal of fascism is that in times of growing inequality, 0:17:30.760 --> 0:17:34.280 it promises all of its members a type of equality, 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:37.640 which is, like, we're all members of this nation, right, 0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:40.840 But that's like great, even though like we may occupy 0:17:40.960 --> 0:17:44.320 very different places within this nation, Like we can all 0:17:44.400 --> 0:17:47.080 feel superior to everyone else because this is the best 0:17:47.200 --> 0:17:50.919 nation for these people. I'm a winner. I'm one of 0:17:50.920 --> 0:17:53.159 the winners in this world. Because you're here, you're a 0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:57.560 winner too. Yeah. It's more like class collaboration, yeah than 0:17:57.720 --> 0:18:02.440 class conflict. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's kind of key. Now. Fascism, 0:18:02.480 --> 0:18:05.480 of course, requires an absolute rejection of pacifism. Since life 0:18:05.480 --> 0:18:08.720 has lived for struggle, war is permanent under fascism. We 0:18:08.760 --> 0:18:11.240 see this translated in our modern fascist movements in an 0:18:11.240 --> 0:18:14.080 obsession with the tools and aesthetics of war, black and 0:18:14.200 --> 0:18:17.399 camo and tactical everything. Earlier in the day I wrote this, 0:18:17.480 --> 0:18:19.679 I was browsing Twitter and I came across a photo 0:18:19.720 --> 0:18:23.000 of someone's bugout bag. He wrote in the Twitter post, 0:18:23.119 --> 0:18:25.479 how's this for a bug out boogaloo set up. Now, 0:18:25.480 --> 0:18:27.640 if you aren't aware, Boogaloo is a far right term 0:18:27.640 --> 0:18:29.680 for the civil war that they believe is coming, as 0:18:29.720 --> 0:18:33.480 in Civil War two Electric Boogaloo. Now, this fellow's emergency 0:18:33.480 --> 0:18:36.960 preparedness kit for Boogaloo contained no food, no water, no 0:18:37.119 --> 0:18:40.920 medical supplies. His gas mask did not have actual filters 0:18:40.960 --> 0:18:43.280 with it, but he did have an a R fifteen rifle, 0:18:43.359 --> 0:18:45.560 a twelve gage shotgun, a glock side arm with a 0:18:45.600 --> 0:18:48.600 thirty round magazine, and a forty four magnum revolver, along 0:18:48.640 --> 0:18:52.000 with a tomahawk as a throwing knife, stylish green body 0:18:52.080 --> 0:19:00.000 armor the same shade as his tactical backpack and helmet. Um. Yeah, 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:02.640 thirty pounds of weapons and no food. He's like just 0:19:02.720 --> 0:19:05.879 like hyperma cheese, more like gamer dorks. Yeah, he's going 0:19:05.920 --> 0:19:07.920 to be able to shoot his food, you guys. Yeah, 0:19:07.920 --> 0:19:09.879 there were a lot of veterans being like, so you 0:19:09.920 --> 0:19:15.000 brought four different calibers of weapons. Yeah, that's really Are 0:19:15.040 --> 0:19:17.200 you planning on losing a lot of them? You know? 0:19:18.560 --> 0:19:21.000 And are you planning on like carrying different AMMO for 0:19:21.040 --> 0:19:25.280 all those different guns? Yeah? Very dumb. Yeah, but seeing 0:19:25.359 --> 0:19:27.439 This post brought to mind what Echo wrote about the 0:19:27.480 --> 0:19:32.240 fascist armageddon complex quote. Since enemies have to be defeated, 0:19:32.240 --> 0:19:34.359 there must be a final battle, after which the movement 0:19:34.359 --> 0:19:36.200 will have control of the world. But such a final 0:19:36.240 --> 0:19:38.840 solution implies a further era of peace, a golden age, 0:19:38.880 --> 0:19:42.000 which contradicts the principle of permanent war. No fascist leader 0:19:42.000 --> 0:19:45.680 has ever succeeded in solving this predicament, you know, Yeah, 0:19:45.720 --> 0:19:49.880 because they get murdered. It doesn't work over well, because 0:19:49.920 --> 0:19:54.919 it's a death call. Yeah. Interesting that it's the The 0:19:55.200 --> 0:19:57.919 constant warfare is interesting too to me, just because of 0:19:58.119 --> 0:20:00.399 the United like the United States being very unique to 0:20:00.440 --> 0:20:05.280 that and just like maybe two years of its entire existence, 0:20:06.119 --> 0:20:08.440 it's not been a war maybe, I mean, we had 0:20:08.480 --> 0:20:11.119 we had the we had the nineties. We didn't get 0:20:11.160 --> 0:20:13.320 involved in much war in the ninth much, but there 0:20:13.320 --> 0:20:18.760 are still war, yeah, police action. But it's like now 0:20:18.880 --> 0:20:21.199 this age where it's like, I mean there are people 0:20:21.320 --> 0:20:25.320 that uh, I don't maybe not yet, but within like 0:20:25.359 --> 0:20:27.760 a year or two, we'll be fighting in Afghanistan, but 0:20:28.000 --> 0:20:32.840 they will not have been born when we got that's 0:20:33.119 --> 0:20:35.760 i mean, you're you're born in you but at this 0:20:35.800 --> 0:20:38.600 point that Afghanistan is not a war, it's a tradition. 0:20:39.080 --> 0:20:42.639 Well exactly exactly. It it's weird how it starts to 0:20:42.720 --> 0:20:44.679 not I mean, it feels like a war, but it 0:20:44.720 --> 0:20:47.680 doesn't feel like a war. It's just been this lingering 0:20:47.760 --> 0:20:50.080 thing that's going on. We've got troops over there. It's 0:20:50.080 --> 0:20:52.600 a state of we don't even see a lot of 0:20:52.680 --> 0:20:57.240 like what happens. We don't remove from it completely any who. Yeah, 0:20:57.440 --> 0:21:02.560 speaking of permanent war and after Anistan, it's time for 0:21:02.600 --> 0:21:07.479 an AD pivot. Yes, for the products and services creating 0:21:07.480 --> 0:21:10.720 a little pivot. Don't profit from the war in Afghanistan 0:21:11.320 --> 0:21:16.480 that you never know, you never you never know. Buy 0:21:16.520 --> 0:21:20.160 these products unless the product is the war in Afghanistan, 0:21:20.240 --> 0:21:22.640 which would be a weird product to advertise on my podcast. 0:21:22.720 --> 0:21:27.280 Don't buy it. That sounds really expensive too. It's not 0:21:27.320 --> 0:21:30.400 a good deal. It's not. It's just all the money 0:21:30.440 --> 0:21:34.080 we would spend on healthcare Act we were a sane country. 0:21:34.119 --> 0:21:46.159 I don't buy that anyway. Ads, we're back. So if 0:21:46.200 --> 0:21:48.119 he was very proud of me for that ad transition, 0:21:48.400 --> 0:21:54.919 moving like pros clipping right along, So back to her fascism. 0:21:55.040 --> 0:21:57.520 Umberto Echo goes on to name contempt for the week, 0:21:57.600 --> 0:21:59.680 the cult of the hero, machines moo, and a sense 0:21:59.720 --> 0:22:03.280 of tempt for women and femininity, as other key aspects 0:22:03.280 --> 0:22:06.440 of incipient fascism. For a fascist movement to evolve, a 0:22:06.520 --> 0:22:09.240 number of these things must coalesce together, generally around the 0:22:09.240 --> 0:22:12.200 personality of a single charismatic man with dreams of power. 0:22:12.680 --> 0:22:15.800 This man will, of course, never admit to desiring power. Instead, 0:22:15.800 --> 0:22:18.400 he claims to speak for some broad mass of the population, 0:22:18.600 --> 0:22:21.359 a claim to majority that stands behind him at his movement. 0:22:21.720 --> 0:22:25.320 Echo called this qualitative populism and noted that in the 0:22:25.359 --> 0:22:28.119 modern era, quote, we no longer need the pas of 0:22:28.119 --> 0:22:30.840 an Easia in Rome or the Nuremberg stadium. There is 0:22:30.880 --> 0:22:34.280