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Speaker 1: Cody Johnston and Katie Stole And this is a special

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Speaker 1: seven part episodes Hin the Bastards. Um, Hello, how are

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Speaker 1: you hell? Doing good? Ready? We're here already, We're back

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Speaker 1: from vacation. We watched the debates last night. We did.

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Speaker 1: We're all a little bit strung out, a little strung out,

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Speaker 1: so let me tell you, let me, let me explain

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Speaker 1: what's going on today. This is a podcast where every

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Speaker 1: we talked about a particularly shitty person named George Lincoln Rockwell.

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Speaker 1: Three part episode was to act as a a booster

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Speaker 1: for a go fund me campaign I had to raise

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Speaker 1: money for conflict journalism, and in exchange for getting funded,

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Speaker 1: I promised to write an audio book called The War

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Speaker 1: dot com. Uh you following through on your promises? Look

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Speaker 1: in me following through on my promises? Uh? So. I

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Speaker 1: the audio book. I'm also going to read the audio

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Speaker 1: book to y'all and have it as a special two

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Speaker 1: both do the trip and not die from overworking. It's

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Speaker 1: a wonderful plan, So thank you both for helping me

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Speaker 1: make this possible. Listening to I just want you to

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Speaker 1: hear how loud this script is. It's hefty. It made

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Speaker 1: to get through. It's like, yeah, like sixty something pages.

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Speaker 1: Now to accompany us, I have, of course my traditional

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Speaker 1: sera lee throwing bagels, but I also have some new

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Speaker 1: throwing equipment. I have some Mots brand apple juice and

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Speaker 1: a plastic container. I have a metal Starbucks refreshers. And

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Speaker 1: I also have a metal can of Lacroix. I have

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Speaker 1: this mayonnaise squeeze to I'm very excited to see what

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Speaker 1: What happened though, Well, she ran out of the way.

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Speaker 1: And also what happened What happened to the knife? Well,

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Speaker 1: she tried to catch it. No, that's never happened with

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Speaker 1: a knife before. You people were not here. You people,

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Speaker 1: this is your audio. But I could throw the knife too.

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Speaker 1: That is a good point, Cody, thank you. I'm so sorry.

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Speaker 1: Well what's fun about that is it's going to bounce

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Speaker 1: And I shouldn't have said anything. Cody hates I do

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Speaker 1: hate mayonnaise. I have inappropriate nicknames for it. The Devil's come. Okay, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: without further ado, the war on everyone. Thank you, Thank

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Speaker 1: you for that reaction. Chapter one, The Eternal Fascist m hmm.

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Speaker 1: On November nine, tenth night, Nazi stormtroopers and party members

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Speaker 1: is no eternal Jew, but there might be an eternal Fascist.

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Speaker 1: Umberto Echo was probably the first person to really grasp

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Speaker 1: again and again to a single question, what is a fascist? Now?

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Speaker 1: That's not an easy question to answer. Most dictionary definitions

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Speaker 1: severe economic and social regimentation, and an enforcible suppression of opposition. Now,

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Speaker 1: better way to phrase it. Uh. Fascism often wraps itself

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Speaker 1: in humor as a way to disguise it's true intentions

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Speaker 1: as black comedy and test the waters for its most

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Speaker 1: extreme goals. If you're someone who's paid attention to the

425
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,040
Speaker 1: rise of fascism on the Internet, if you followed my

426
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 1: work on a Chan or read about the ault right,

427
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 1: and you understand what I'm getting at, But you probably

428
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Speaker 1: view this as a new wrinkle in the history of fascism.

429
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Speaker 1: The truth is that it goes back all the way

430
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 1: to the beginning. If you want a picture of the

431
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,440
Speaker 1: personality of the Fewer, what he was like on a

432
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:10,920
Speaker 1: day to day basis, to the people he liked and trusted.

433
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 1: Hitler's table talk is about the best resource that exists.

434
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Speaker 1: Starting in nineteen forty one, Martin Borman, Hitler's secretary, convinced

435
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Speaker 1: his boss to allow a series of aids to transcribe

436
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Speaker 1: his private conversations for posterity. Oh my god, Oh yeah,

437
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,119
Speaker 1: it's quite a read, Katie, Oh my god, how did

438
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,359
Speaker 1: I not know about this? Oh? It's it's some hot fire.

439
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,680
Speaker 1: Also sounds really stupid of him to allow. Yeah, well,

440
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 1: but yeah. So some of these were the traditional hitlery

441
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Speaker 1: ranting monologues you'd expect. Others were just, you know, chats

442
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 1: between courses during dinners and the like. There's a lot

443
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Speaker 1: of debate as to how truly off the cuff any

444
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Speaker 1: of these were, but Hitler's table talk is generally regarded

445
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Speaker 1: as an incredibly useful resource for understanding the minds of

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Speaker 1: the top Nazis. In his nine book Explaining Hitler, journalist

447
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Speaker 1: and historian Ron Rosenbaum turned to the Table Talk record

448
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,880
Speaker 1: several times in his attempt to understand in essence, how

449
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Speaker 1: bouncing baby Adolph turned into the genocidal warlord we all

450
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Speaker 1: know and hate. At one point, he focuses on a

451
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Speaker 1: single passage, in particular quote the passage in which Hitler, Himler,

452
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,959
Speaker 1: and Hydrick Reinhard Hydric, one of the architects of the Holocaust,

453
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 1: are ostensibly debunking the rumor, which they know to be true,

454
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Speaker 1: that the Jews are being exterminated. It's silly that people

455
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Speaker 1: should say such things, Hitler piously avers, when we're only

456
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Speaker 1: parking the Jews in the marshy parts of Russia, although

457
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Speaker 1: he adds that if it were true, it would be

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Speaker 1: no less than the Jews deserved. It seems to me

459
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,359
Speaker 1: a transparent charade in which the three architects of the

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Speaker 1: Final Solution were becoming the first Holocaust deniers, the first revisionists,

461
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Speaker 1: so to speak, and doing so in a particularly repulsive,

462
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Speaker 1: winking and nodding way. So Rosenbaum brought his theory to

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Speaker 1: another scholar, a fellow named Lang, who agreed that this

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Speaker 1: was probably evidence of Hitler and company concealing their crimes

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Speaker 1: via humor. Both to keep explicit discussion out of the

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Speaker 1: historic record, and so that those in the know could

467
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Speaker 1: laughingly revel in their crapulence. Lange said, the invent fiveness

468
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 1: seems to me in some ways to really come to

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Speaker 1: the heart of the matter, even though it's subtler than

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Speaker 1: the brutality. Primo Levi used the phrase needless violence, which

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Speaker 1: is not quite what I'm saying. It's the element of gratuitousness,

472
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,399
Speaker 1: it's but it's more than the gratuitousness. There seems to

473
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Speaker 1: be this imaginative protraction, elaboration that one finds best exemplified

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Speaker 1: in art forms, in which in art we usually take

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Speaker 1: to be indicative of a consciousness and artistic consciousness of

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Speaker 1: an overall design. Now this is interesting to me because

477
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 1: one of the things that you find when you really

478
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,399
Speaker 1: browse through a lot of eight chan conversations is a

479
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Speaker 1: lot of talk, joking talk about how the CIA or

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Speaker 1: the FBI carried out these false flag attacks, which if

481
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:37,639
Speaker 1: you just read it straight you could see as people

482
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 1: like legitimately thinking that there was a conspiracy to slant

483
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Speaker 1: to their website. But I think the more I read,

484
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,719
Speaker 1: none of these people really believe in that. It's just

485
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Speaker 1: it's part of the joke. Like they're joking that, like

486
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Speaker 1: these massacres were carried out by like a state agency

487
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Speaker 1: to slander fascist website, like to people that they agree

488
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Speaker 1: with and they're glad, yeah, and are happy that they're

489
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Speaker 1: doing it. Yeah. Yeah, So for Nazis and their modern

490
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 1: descendants descendants, shittiness is a form of art. It's never

491
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Speaker 1: enough to gain power or even to hurt or kill

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Speaker 1: your rivals. These people's ultimate goal is to shift the

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Speaker 1: nature of reality itself to be further in line with

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Speaker 1: their own narcissistic beliefs, and irony is a powerful tool

495
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 1: for achieving that. Lane goes on. Brutality is straightforward, it's

496
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 1: not imaginative. This isn't just brute strength. It seems to

497
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Speaker 1: me that there is a sense of irony constantly. The

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Speaker 1: sign over the entrance gate to Auschwitz, you know, are

499
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 1: bite mocked, fry work will make you free. It's like

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Speaker 1: a joke. It is a joke, the orchestra playing as

501
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 1: these people go out to work. We're back now. Hitler's

502
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Speaker 1: sense of humor is not something we talk about much,

503
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: but perhaps we should. Ironic humor was used regularly by

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Speaker 1: the Early Fewer during his rise to power. In August

505
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 1: of during one of his first speeches, Hitler told an

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Speaker 1: audience that he supported quote removal of the Jews from

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Speaker 1: our nation, not because we would begrudge them their existence.

508
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 1: We congratulate the rest of the whole world on their company.

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00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 1: This line was met with widespread laughter. It's yeah, yeah,

510
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. Lucy Dividowitz, the Holocaust scholar who brought that

511
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 1: speech to Rosenbound's attention, believe that the joke and the

512
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Speaker 1: thing Hitler's audience was laughing at, was not the line

513
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 1: we congratulate the rest of the whole world on their company,

514
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,959
Speaker 1: but the earlier line, we do not begrudge them their existence.

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00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 1: And when to quote again from explaining Hitler, this Divido

516
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,719
Speaker 1: which suggests is an inside joke for party members who

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Speaker 1: know the secret meeting that in fact they do begrudge

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Speaker 1: they are dedicated to eradicating the Jews existence. Now, reading

519
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: that quote brings to mind a post I found on

520
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,479
Speaker 1: h n's poll board during one of my regular sessions

521
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: browsing that image board, and between the mass shootings carried

522
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 1: out by its members and one threat, I found a

523
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 1: non's discussing the value of comedic memes about mass killing

524
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 1: is a way to camouflage their very real efforts to

525
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 1: inspire more massacres. One user typed, the best thing about

526
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: this is that they, being the FBI and the CIA,

527
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 1: will never be able to discern an ironic tongue in

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00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 1: cheek frog poster from a man of action like Arrant

529
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: or Bowers. We have all the plausible deniability in the world,

530
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 1: and unless they're going to start locking people up for

531
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 1: ship posting, we have nothing to fear. Yeah, it's okay,

532
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 1: it's the okay sign Yeah. All the also an illustration

533
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,479
Speaker 1: of how bad their sense of humor is. Yeah, these

534
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: aren't jokes. Yah, what are you doing? Just done? Sophie

535
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 1: is signaling her membership and the far right delightedly, might

536
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 1: I add delightedly. In the decades since Adolf Hitler shot

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00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 1: himself in that bunker, ironic racist humor has been one

538
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: through line connecting every Nazi and fascist movement that's arisen

539
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: around the world. George Lincoln Rockwell, the founding father of

540
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 1: American Nazism, had his minions dress up in racist guerrilla

541
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: costumes to interrupt events and distract attention from civil rights activists.

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00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 1: The main weakness of Rockwell's humor was that it was

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00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 1: far too overt and hateful to be viewed as ironic

544
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 1: by most Americans. But down through the years his descendants

545
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 1: have gotten much better. It's straddling the fine line between

546
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Speaker 1: dog whistling to people in the know and maintain plausible

547
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 1: deniability one A good example would be Count Dankula, a

548
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Speaker 1: failed UK political candidates. Like before, you said, yeah, we're

549
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 1: on the same Yeah, they're vibing right, we are vibing hard.

550
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:18,479
Speaker 1: Count Dankula, a failed UK political candidate who first achieved

551
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Speaker 1: notoriety for a video in which he trained his dog

552
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 1: to sig hyle. When he was fined for this, he

553
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: was able to frame himself as a free speech crusader

554
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: and raised thousands of dollars while claiming to fight back

555
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: against political correctness. There is tremendous power within humor. It's

556
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: why satirists and comedians are some of the first people

557
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 1: purged by any dictatorial regime. It's why nothing is more

558
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 1: important to fascist than to look cool and serious and powerful.

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00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 1: Getting hit by a milkshake is worse for a Nazi

560
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,959
Speaker 1: than getting hit by a brick. Blood looks cool, Milkshakes

561
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 1: look like milkshakes. But humor also has an incredible ability

562
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 1: to act as a sort of ideological trojan horse, allowing

563
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: ideas to sneak into someone's mind cloaked as jokes. Actual

564
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 1: fascists know this. It's why the Nazis on eight chance

565
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 1: been so much timecrafting memes to bread their ideas. But

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00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 1: this process can take place even within the head of

567
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 1: an individual fascist. We're back. In two thousand and sixteen,

568
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: Joe Cox, a member of Parliament for the Labor Party

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Speaker 1: in the United Kingdom, was shot and stabbed to death

570
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 1: by a fascist terrorist named Thomas Mayer. Mayor's chief stated

571
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 1: influence was an earlier British fascist terrorist, David Copeland. Back

572
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: in the year two thousand, Copeland killed three people and

573
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: injured dozens more by setting off a series of nail bombs.

574
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 1: He picked the locations he bombed because they had high

575
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 1: Black and Asian populations. According to the Guardian quote, he

576
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: came up with the idea when a bomb went off

577
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 1: in Centennial Park during the Olympic Games in Atlanta four

578
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: years ago. He told the police that the notting Hill

579
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: Carnival was on at about the same time, said Mr Sweeney,

580
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: He began to wish that someone would blow up the

581
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 1: Notting Hill Carnival. To start off with, he treated the

582
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: thought as a joke, but he could not get it

583
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: out of his head. The thought became stronger. He woke

584
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: up one day and decided he was going to do

585
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 1: it now. Last year, I carried out a study for

586
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: the journalistic collective Belling Cat. I come through hundreds of

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00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 1: online conversations between the fascist activists who planned first Deadly

588
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville. My goal was to

589
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: find out how these men had been red pilled or

590
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: converted to their extremist beliefs. Over and over again, these

591
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: fascists mentioned the influence ironic jokes that had on their

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00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: ideological evolution. One conversation stands out in particular to me.

593
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: In it, one fascist recalled how his first red pill

594
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 1: came during an argument over an anti Semitic joke Kisoft

595
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: posted the Facebook. The jokes spawned an argument and quote.

596
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 1: Then I saw people negging Jews, so I joined in

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00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 1: as a meme first off, then all of a sudden,

598
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 1: it's stopped being a meme. Much of the War on

599
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 1: Everyone will discuss moments in the history of the American

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00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 1: fascist movement that are much bloodier and a lot less

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00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: silly than ship posters on the Internet. We will talk

602
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 1: about a hard bitten militiamen, vicious acts of terror, and

603
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 1: methodical and methodical plans of genocide that are anything but ironic.

604
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: When we talk about the original Nazi Party, or George

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00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 1: Lincoln Rockwell, the American militian movement that culminated in the

606
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 1: Oklahoma City bombing, or today's meme spouting ironic fascists, It's

607
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 1: easy to look at all these things as separate, discrete

608
00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: problems spouting up at different times and inspired by different causes.

609
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: But I think that's as wrong as looking at men

610
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 1: like Timothy McVeigh or Brenton Tarrant as lone wolves. Each

611
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: Swellen surge of fascism across the world and across time

612
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: is more like the eruption of a cold sore. The

613
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 1: underlying causes a virus that is ever present. During World

614
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: War Two, we bombed it into submission for a while,

615
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: but like the herpes virus, it never quite goes away.

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00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: It continued to learn underneath the surface, hiding an off

617
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: color jokes at bars, handprinted magazines, and eventually Internet forms

618
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: until our nation's immune system grew weak enough for it

619
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: to flare up once more. It's anyone's guess what happens next.

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00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 1: Man comparing fascism to herpes is very good. Yeah, that

621
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 1: that's really like the one that, like I've considered like

622
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: cancer and like a virus, but like that you can

623
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 1: suppress that. They're really there isn't a cure for like

624
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 1: you can, but it's going to come back. Yeah. Cancer

625
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: is closer to capitalism, just to keep growing and growing

626
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: and going. Yeah. Yeah, so that's chapter one. I feel

627
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: like I should sign off by throwing one of these

628
00:33:58,520 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: cans as you wanna have a preference as to what

629
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: I throw first. Mayonnaise. Mayonnaise, Yeah, he did. It almost

630
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:11,359
Speaker 1: hit Katy. Cody would have been bad. Well, it wasn't

631
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: real bad. It didn't explode. Fine, it didn't explode. Cody

632
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 1: says he hates mayonnaise, but he was secretly hoping that

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Speaker 1: Devil's coming. He's lying. That would have been like Satan

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Speaker 1: ejaculating on the back of his head. I was hoping

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Speaker 1: that too, that it would just burst. Yeah, it was.

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Speaker 1: I was really hoping. I guess that's like the best

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Speaker 1: place for it to happen in my head. That's like

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Speaker 1: acidic started burning my scalp and then I die. Cody,

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Speaker 1: if you had a bunch of mayonnaise in the back

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Speaker 1: of your head, you would be mad for days. I

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Speaker 1: would be mad for days. I would leave, he would leave.

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Speaker 1: He would never stop obsessing about it. He'd be asking,

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Speaker 1: do I smell like mayonnaise? Is there? Still? It feels greasy?

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Speaker 1: I just feel like it's greasy. I'm gonna go wash

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Speaker 1: my hands again, even though it didn't touch my hands.

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Speaker 1: We have a washing machine here. You could just do

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Speaker 1: the next episode or two naked inside the washing machine.

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Speaker 1: Well know, take back be in the washing machine. I

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Speaker 1: feel like I would have to go in the washing

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Speaker 1: machine to take care of it. My first cat died

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Speaker 1: in the washing machine. WHOA just too real? Didn't I

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Speaker 1: fu fascism? I thought I thought of that. When in

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Speaker 1: the episode The Airs Tuesday, we do that cat segment

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Speaker 1: and one of the cats survived in the washing machine.

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Speaker 1: I was like, oh, case cat didn't. Yeah, it's heartbreaking. Yeah, clothes, yeah,

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Speaker 1: actually and misremembering it was the dryer still just as bad,

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Speaker 1: way worse, way worse. Okay, Yeah, he thought it was

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Speaker 1: cozy Sophie. Her name was Barbie. I wasn't creative. I

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Speaker 1: was three or four. Anyway, I don't have damage. You're fine.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of damage, you'll want to slug. Yeah, we're already there. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know what. We got a Patreon some more News

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Speaker 1: Patreon dot com slash more News. Didn't dot com slash

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Speaker 1: some more News. I'm not a practice. Uh yeah. We

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Speaker 1: got a podcast called even more News. We got a

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Speaker 1: YouTube show called some more News. That's the name of

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Speaker 1: a Twitter account. Also, yeah, and I'm Katie Stole on Twitter.

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Speaker 1: I'm Dr mr Cody on Twitter. Can't change it now,

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Speaker 1: can't d r M I s t r cr do.

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Speaker 1: I basically just used his aim screen name. Didn't there

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Speaker 1: was my uh my blogging name when I wrote for Cracked.

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Speaker 1: What might column is Dr mr blogg with Dr mr Cody. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I remember that back in the day. Well, I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to plug anything at the end of this, and

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Speaker 1: I'm going to stare at Sophie while I talk about

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Speaker 1: my refusal to plug anything, because I think it's going

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Speaker 1: to get old if I plug everything. At the end

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Speaker 1: of every one of these episodes, Sophie's walking over to me.

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Speaker 1: Now she's furious. I can see the rage. Like she's

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Speaker 1: shuffling like like the printing of a book. Oh nope,

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Speaker 1: she's just here to depose it. So this episode is done.

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Speaker 1: There's another fucking six ones to come. So strap end.

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Speaker 1: What do I plug? Sophie T Shirts? Buy a T shirt?

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Speaker 1: Anyone's T shirts store? So you guys want to plug

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Speaker 1: your store? Uh something? It's a te public store. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: if you go to our on Twitter, I believe that

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Speaker 1: Penn tweet has to like to our store. Great, excellent.

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Speaker 1: We also have a T public store. You know, go

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Speaker 1: to our website you're wanting the bastards dot com for footnotes,

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Speaker 1: and also to go to our merch store. We have shirts.

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Speaker 1: We have no comment. Wow, you're fired. Well this is

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Speaker 1: the end of the podcast. But you know, follow at

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Speaker 1: bastards plot on the tw Instagram. Yeah, it's ta public.

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Speaker 1: It's too public. Was right, it's public. We've all, all

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Speaker 1: of us have been traveling and gone and this is

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Speaker 1: we're easing back into it. We're easing back into it.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be a machine by the end, sleeping really

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Speaker 1: yea