1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, radio news. 2 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 2: Single, best Idea. 3 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 3: What a week. 4 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:17,280 Speaker 2: The highlight was the last thing we did. We went 5 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:21,599 Speaker 2: to New Orleans and Vanessa Perdomo, on site for Bloomberg 6 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 2: in Radio Row, interviewed Joe Montana. She's like lights out, 7 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 2: it's her sixth super Bowl. I looked around our studios 8 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:32,879 Speaker 2: and I said, let's count super bowls. Sweeneyo went to 9 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 2: one a million years ago. I brought up Max McGhee 10 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 2: and super Bowl one. Thank you, Vanessa Perdomo for joining 11 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 2: us at your sixth super Bowl in New Orleans. We 12 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:46,560 Speaker 2: had a super Bowl today. We do it twelve times 13 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:49,839 Speaker 2: a year. Job's day. What a set of guests, Claudia 14 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 2: Sam thank you so much for spear heading all of 15 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 2: our coverage. But right for the beginning with Jim Bianco 16 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 2: and Priam Misra, just a wonderful, wonderful set of conversations 17 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:04,319 Speaker 2: onikon finance, investment, in a little bit of international relations. 18 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:08,320 Speaker 2: Today Allen Zenner joined us and we talked to Ellen 19 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 2: Zenner about this labor economy, but something new, the stock 20 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 2: market up, the wealth effect. 21 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 1: We have created a tremendous amount of wealth and so 22 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 1: one are we spending the same amount out of that 23 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 1: wealth that we normally do. It's just wealth. Is that high? 24 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: That is one possibility? Or is the still some lingering 25 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: effects of COVID which taught us we're all going to 26 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: die tomorrow and so spend it if you got it? 27 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:36,319 Speaker 2: Interesting? 28 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:38,960 Speaker 1: So is it that the marginal propensit to consume? That's 29 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:42,319 Speaker 1: a great economist term, tom You like that marginal propense 30 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: to consume out of wealth may just be higher. And 31 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: so does that fade the further we get away from 32 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: COVID further it's in the rear view mirror or does 33 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: it just stay that high because now we've had some 34 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: structural shift. 35 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 2: We've seen research on this. I mean, you're in a 36 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 2: casperg seat to see research. 37 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: Over we have done this research. 38 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 2: Do you see to me it's an unspoken huge deal. 39 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 2: Am I wrong? 40 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: Yeah? So what I see, what I believe I see 41 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:08,920 Speaker 1: in the numbers is that it's just the amount of 42 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: wealth that has been created has just been that large. 43 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 1: I think that we're seeing, we're in the midst of 44 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:19,519 Speaker 1: seeing the data is quite lagged on this, that the 45 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:22,519 Speaker 1: marginal propensity to consume out of wealth is returning back 46 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: to normal but that the wealth we've created is just 47 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: that high. 48 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 2: That was brilliant cardinal rule. When there's an algebraic function 49 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 2: and one of the coefficients has three letters MPC, just 50 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 2: move on to the next page. That's my rule on 51 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 2: economic algebra. That was brilliant Ellen Zenner there on the 52 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 2: marginal propensity to consume and the idea of the wealth effect. 53 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 2: I think this is going to be a huge story 54 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 2: into twenty twenty five if this bull market continues. We've 55 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 2: talked to Anna Wong. Without question the leading market economists 56 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 2: around the world, huge influence on job labor economics, if 57 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 2: you will. An along of Bloomberg Economics today and the 58 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 2: key revision statistics. 59 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 3: Yes, I was quite surprised that the by how small 60 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 3: they are. So in the benchmark period that covers April 61 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:19,799 Speaker 3: twenty twenty three to March of twenty twenty four, we 62 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 3: only saw five hundred and eighty nine thousand downward revision. 63 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 3: We had expected closer to seven hundred thousand, and I 64 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 3: think part of it is because I think that BLS 65 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 3: still has not entirely updated the birth and death projection. 66 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 3: So in the second half of twenty twenty four, we 67 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 3: had expected about two hundred thousandward revisions, but instead of 68 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 3: a total downward revision, we actually see a cumulative positive revision, 69 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 3: all of which almost came from December of last year. 70 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 3: So I think my bottom line is that number one 71 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 3: BLS has not come played the updates on lowering the 72 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 3: birth and death productions. And second, there is a real 73 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 3: improvement towards the end of last year, particularly in December, 74 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 3: in terms of job growth. And I think it's possible 75 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 3: that the labor market is in a mist of stabilizing right. 76 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:25,280 Speaker 2: Now and one of Bloomberg economics, and once again the 77 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:29,480 Speaker 2: market looks forward and tries to anticipate with the market's 78 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 2: wonderful bid and ask sensibility, and maybe a constructive January 79 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 2: had something to do with that healing labor market that 80 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 2: doctor Wang talked about chiefs or eagles. I don't really 81 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 2: have a strong opinion. I mean, I think everyone knows. 82 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 2: I'm not expert in any way, shape or form. But 83 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 2: we thank Vanessa down in New Orleans for help today 84 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 2: on the commute across America. Thank you for being with 85 00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 2: us on YouTube as well. Subscribe to bloom podcast and 86 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:05,159 Speaker 2: out at the growing each and everyday YouTube podcasts. This 87 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:12,119 Speaker 2: is single best idea