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Speaker 2: In this Tuesday, we'll talk NFL Draft and the Shador
Speaker 2: Sanders story that seems to be growing bad news for
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Speaker 2: the MAVs sixty two games so far this season, but
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Speaker 2: We'll get some more phone calls coming up. We spent
Speaker 2: a lot of time talking about there's anonymous coach in
Speaker 2: a meeting interview with Shadoor Sanders at the Combine and
Speaker 2: this is apparently a team that's in the top seven
Speaker 2: as far as draft order, and there was a coach
Speaker 2: who said that shouldre Sanders came off arrogant and brash.
Speaker 2: We talked to Matt Miller of the Mothership Draft analyst.
Speaker 2: He's not very high on Shaudor Sanders the football player.
Speaker 2: But this just sort of, I don't know, came out
Speaker 2: of nowhere and then all of a sudden, opinions are coming,
Speaker 2: you know, fast and furious. Trevor Sikima, he is the
Speaker 2: lead analyst Pro Football Focus, and you have a strong
Speaker 2: opinion on Shudor Sanders as well. Trevor, good to have
Speaker 2: you back. Where do you stand on shud Or Sanders? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Dan, first off, five to eleven, one seventy eight and
Speaker 3: seven eight inch hand size, although that is with no
Speaker 3: hand massaging going on. So I feel like if we
Speaker 3: get a couple of weeks with that technique, I can
Speaker 3: hit that Joe Burrow nine inch threshold. So I just
Speaker 3: want to say that first and foremost. Uh, you know what,
Speaker 3: shud Or Sanders. The fact of the matter is is
Speaker 3: I had him slipping out of my post combine mock
Speaker 3: draft that I did over at PFF dot com. And
Speaker 3: the reason why is because I could not find anybody
Speaker 3: that spoke with conviction with Shudor Sanders being QB one
Speaker 3: taken in the top ten or even as a first
Speaker 3: round quarterback. So to me, when I hear that and
Speaker 3: I line that up with a lot of people were
Speaker 3: talking about cam Ward, is somebody that you take that
Speaker 3: chance on, I feel like it's a one quarterback race
Speaker 3: at this point.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: When I watch Shador, he plays a very clean brand football.
Speaker 3: He understands the position very very well. You could tell
Speaker 3: that he's been raised around the game. He understands how
Speaker 3: to read defenses, go through progressions all of that, operate
Speaker 3: the pocket, make protection calls. He knows how to play quarterback.
Speaker 3: The reason why I'm a little bit lower on him,
Speaker 3: I gave him a late second early third round grade,
Speaker 3: is simply because I don't know if he's got that
Speaker 3: crazy arm talent to be able to compete against the
Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson's, the Josh Allens, the Patrick Mahomes, guys like that.
Speaker 3: That the reason why you would draft the quarterback isn't
Speaker 3: in the top ten, isn't just because hey, let's take
Speaker 3: one just because we need one. It's because you want
Speaker 3: to win a super Bowl. You're taking a guy that
Speaker 3: high because you believe he can win a Super Bowl.
Speaker 3: Does shud Or have the overall arm talent to matchup
Speaker 3: against those guys?
Speaker 2: I don't think so.
Speaker 3: And I think as we are getting more into draft
Speaker 3: season and the combines a really good barometer for this,
Speaker 3: you get sort of caught up on what the league
Speaker 3: might have been thinking about these players really all along.
Speaker 3: And I think we talked about to Q because there's
Speaker 3: so many quarterback needy teams in the top ten. But
Speaker 3: it just feels like teams are much more gravitating towards
Speaker 3: cam Ward worthy of a top selection and Chador maybe
Speaker 3: something more on Day two or the late first round.
Speaker 2: But how much of this is the last name that
Speaker 2: if this is just you know, Shaud or Smith and
Speaker 2: not Shoud or Sanders, you know, does his draft status
Speaker 2: stock change at all? In your mind?
Speaker 3: I would say that it would probably be the other
Speaker 3: way around. You know, when you look at Shador and
Speaker 3: I understand how well he played over the last couple
Speaker 3: of years and everything that he was able to do
Speaker 3: at Jackson State and then also at Colorado. I think, again,
Speaker 3: he plays a very clean brand of football, But does
Speaker 3: he have those NFL level traits that you want as
Speaker 3: a franchise caliber quarterback because he lacks the overall mobility
Speaker 3: And again, I think that he's got a mid tier
Speaker 3: NFL level arm strength, but it's it's nothing that's really special.
Speaker 3: So I wonder if it's the opposite VP, and I
Speaker 3: wonder if it's the fact that, hey, we've been talking
Speaker 3: about Shador in the top ten, in the top five
Speaker 3: because of sort of who he is and the notoriety
Speaker 3: that he has, instead of the other way around, like
Speaker 3: we're seeing now where it's like, oh, well, does the
Speaker 3: NFL not like him, you know, because of his last
Speaker 3: name and some people call it baggage. I agree with
Speaker 3: Shador when he said at the Shrine Bull He's like,
Speaker 3: I didn't know that having a supportive parent was all
Speaker 3: of a sudden a bad thing, you know, Like I
Speaker 3: totally agree with him when he says that, And so
Speaker 3: I think it's much more of maybe the notoriety and
Speaker 3: him being in the public eye and us saying like, hey,
Speaker 3: if you need a quarterback, he's a quarterback in this class.
Speaker 3: And now we're just sort of catching up to it.
Speaker 3: Feels like the NFL is saying, eh, maybe not quite
Speaker 3: in the top ten, maybe something a little bit further
Speaker 3: down the line.
Speaker 2: And he's going to get a lot of attention because
Speaker 2: he's Dion Son. And then there's cam Ward, who is
Speaker 2: appears to be by far and away the number one
Speaker 2: quarterback in the draft. Let's nitpick, because that's what we
Speaker 2: start to do this time of the year. Trevor nitpick
Speaker 2: cam Ward.
Speaker 3: Well, I think that you know Joe Shane, the general
Speaker 3: manager of the new the New York Giants, who they
Speaker 3: very much need a quarterback as well. You know, he
Speaker 3: was asked specifically about cam Ward when he was at
Speaker 3: his podium session at the Combine, and you know he said,
Speaker 3: you know, hey, you watch that col game, in that
Speaker 3: Virginia Tech game. Those are two games where at the
Speaker 3: end of it, when the clockheads zero, cam Ward, what
Speaker 3: a hero, incredible comeback. But then he goes the reason
Speaker 3: why they needed to come back is also because of
Speaker 3: him a little bit. So it is a little bit
Speaker 3: of that hot and cold there, and so there's no doubt.
Speaker 3: I mean, like you don't need to even necessarily call
Speaker 3: it nitpicking to talk about what is the total product
Speaker 3: of cam Ward. He's somebody who is just very unorthodox.
Speaker 3: And how he looks back there in the pocket. I
Speaker 3: mean there are times when the feet just stopped moving
Speaker 3: completely and you go, did you freeze? Like do we
Speaker 3: need to you know, unplug you and reset you here
Speaker 3: before you get rid of the ball, And like that's
Speaker 3: just sometimes what it looks like for cam Ward. And
Speaker 3: so his style, you know, how he releases the football,
Speaker 3: the decisions of when to push the ball down the field,
Speaker 3: all of that, it's a little bit boom or bust.
Speaker 3: You know, it's a little bit of like can you
Speaker 3: stomach this? But the reason why I do, and the
Speaker 3: reason why he's my QB one is because I firmly
Speaker 3: believe in a game where the margins are so small,
Speaker 3: every quarterback in the NFL has about two to four
Speaker 3: throws that they have to make every single week to
Speaker 3: win in this league.
Speaker 2: Cam Nordon not only in my.
Speaker 3: Opinion, has the arm talent to do so, but he
Speaker 3: has the mentality to do so. He will willingly attack
Speaker 3: those throws and take those chances. So it's a lot
Speaker 3: of that. Hey, there's a lot of good, a lot
Speaker 3: of bad. You want to try to raise the floor
Speaker 3: with them. But yeah, I mean, we don't even necessarily
Speaker 3: have to call it nitpicking. This is sort of a
Speaker 3: risky quarterback class here, including with Ward.
Speaker 2: Trevor Sikima, the Pro Football Focus lead draft analyst joining
Speaker 2: us on the program. If you looked at Sam Darnold's
Speaker 2: profile now compared to when he was coming into the NFL,
Speaker 2: how much has it changed with Pro Football Focus looking at.
Speaker 3: Him, No, it's a lot, and it's a lot of
Speaker 3: dealing with pressure. Honestly, you know what he was able
Speaker 3: to do at USC, I think that that short sort
Speaker 3: of shows that, you know, when you're in a really
Speaker 3: good college environment sometimes that can mask things, right. We
Speaker 3: saw that with Zach Wilson as well, where at BYU
Speaker 3: he's playing behind one of the best offensive lines in
Speaker 3: the country and then he gets to the New York Jets.
Speaker 3: Both of those guys, ironically, and it's just a different story.
Speaker 3: You're playing with a lot of pressure. You know, there's
Speaker 3: the phrase that everybody likes to, you know, continue to
Speaker 3: bring up with Sam Darnold where he felt like he
Speaker 3: was seeing ghosts and it just it took him a
Speaker 3: while to get to this point where he's now confident
Speaker 3: enough to not see ghosts anymore, to really be able
Speaker 3: to play under pressure the way that he needs to now.
Speaker 3: I know, those last two games of the season sort
Speaker 3: of brought back some of those doubts from him. But
Speaker 3: you know, at PFF, it was really that passing grade
Speaker 3: under pressure that was that was such a sticking point
Speaker 3: with him when he was with the Jets and how
Speaker 3: different it was under Kevin O'Connell and in that system.
Speaker 3: Now did O'Connell do a nice job of making it
Speaker 3: maybe easier for him, of course, But that manifests itself
Speaker 3: in confidence, and that's the most important thing for every
Speaker 3: player making the jump from college to the NFL. When
Speaker 3: can you expect that confidence? And I think that's a
Speaker 3: big part of when teams do these player interviews and
Speaker 3: when they get these guys in for these private workouts,
Speaker 3: it's simply determined because they've watched the tape, they know
Speaker 3: the scouting reports. It's simply determining Are you a confident
Speaker 3: football player? Can you hit the ground running and still
Speaker 3: bring all of your talent to the floor here when
Speaker 3: you get here in the NFL? And for Sam that
Speaker 3: wasn't the case early on, but sometimes it takes a
Speaker 3: little bit of the development from these guys.
Speaker 2: How many running backs have first round grades at Pro
Speaker 2: Football Focus.
Speaker 3: So I would say two of them have first round
Speaker 3: grades in Ashton Genty and Omari and Hampton. But I
Speaker 3: could see, yeah, after the combine that quin Shawn Jenkins
Speaker 3: had from Ohio State, I think he is in that category.
Speaker 3: You know, Caleb Johnson, I know a lot of people
Speaker 3: love him from Iowa. I think that he is in
Speaker 3: that category. The running back that I am the most
Speaker 3: confused with is did we just forget what cam' Scatibo
Speaker 3: did at Arizona State over this past year. Like I understand,
Speaker 3: he's not going to run the fastest forty yard dash,
Speaker 3: but even at the combine, the one thing he did
Speaker 3: was the vertical jump and it was thirty nine and
Speaker 3: a half inches. That is well above expectation and showcases
Speaker 3: that explosive this. I mean, we even saw in the
Speaker 3: College Football Playoff he's rushing for touchdowns he's catching touchdowns,
Speaker 3: he's throwing for touchdowns. This is a football player, man,
Speaker 3: And from the running back position, I think that we
Speaker 3: just we sometimes focus on the wrong things. How often
Speaker 3: do you really have the chance to be a quote
Speaker 3: unquote home run hitter at the running back position. How
Speaker 3: many times do you get the chance to run a
Speaker 3: forty to fifty sixty yard.
Speaker 4: Game to the house. Doesn't happen at the NFL level.
Speaker 3: Give me the guys that will turn a three yard
Speaker 3: carry into a four and a half yard carry on
Speaker 3: a regular basis, with that yards after contact in that style.
Speaker 3: So I don't think that camp Scattaboy is going to
Speaker 3: go in round one, but that's another player that we're
Speaker 3: going to get a lot of these running backs that
Speaker 3: go on the fringe or early parts in round two.
Speaker 3: I mentioned Caleb Johnson Scataboo. I think that Trayvon Henderson
Speaker 3: is in there as well, a couple of guys who
Speaker 3: had good combines, and DJ Giddens and RJ. Harvey might
Speaker 3: get there in the back of the second round. So
Speaker 3: I would tell you we're getting at least two he
Speaker 3: get the least Ashing genty and O Marion Hampton are
Speaker 3: getting in the first round, but could very well have
Speaker 3: that third if it's Quinshawn Jenkins.
Speaker 2: Great to talk to you as always, Trevor, thanks for
Speaker 2: joining us.
Speaker 3: Appreciate a DP anytime.
Speaker 2: That's Trevor Sikima, the lead draft analysts for Pro Football Focus.
Speaker 2: All right, so those are two guys, well respected guys
Speaker 2: in the industry, and both saying the same thing. Shadoor
Speaker 2: Sanders might not be a first round town. This has
Speaker 2: just started. It feels like now he didn't do anything
Speaker 2: at the combine other than do interviews, but now all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, it feels like there's this groundswell consensus
Speaker 2: that should Door Sanders is overrated. I want to see
Speaker 2: what happens on his pro date. Now, I don't put
Speaker 2: too much stock in it, and I'll go back to
Speaker 2: what I've said. I'm not rewriting history. I loved what
Speaker 2: I saw with him at Colorado, but he is not
Speaker 2: a playmaker, you know, the way we look at Josh
Speaker 2: Allen mean, Joe Burrow's more of a playmaker, justin Herbert
Speaker 2: more of a playmaker. He's not a playmaker. He's not big,
Speaker 2: he's not fast, He's tough, but I don't know you know,
Speaker 2: can that translate to a six foot one quarterback who
Speaker 2: doesn't extend plays the way you would want your quarterback
Speaker 2: in today's game to be able to extend. So, whoever
Speaker 2: was ranking him before, I don't know what they were
Speaker 2: factoring in or not factoring in cam Ward, I get it.
Speaker 2: Everybody talks about how strong his arm is. I get that.
Speaker 2: Is that enough in this draft? It will be because
Speaker 2: he's going to go probably in the top three. Normally
Speaker 2: he wouldn't, yeah, pulling any chance.
Speaker 5: This is the opposite what's being talked about that these
Speaker 5: NFL teams are feigning disinterest in Shador Sanders in hopes
Speaker 5: that he drops. If you're the Las Vegas Raiders, you
Speaker 5: walk around the combine saying yet that he's not on
Speaker 5: our radar.
Speaker 2: Okay, but does Pete Carroll want a rookie quarterback? Let's
Speaker 2: just look at team by team. If Pete Carroll wants
Speaker 2: a veteran quarterback, you don't want to take a quarterback.
Speaker 2: You want to get the right quarterback. You don't want
Speaker 2: to go, hey, we need a quarterback, Let's take shaudor Sanders. Seventh. Overall,
Speaker 2: the Giants that coaching staff needs to win now or
Speaker 2: they're going to get fired. Well, Aaron Rodgers gives you
Speaker 2: a better chance than shardor Sanders, and probably cam Ward does.
Speaker 2: Right now, Tennessee, if I'm Tennessee, I trade down. You
Speaker 2: don't you need a quarterback, But let's get somebody who
Speaker 2: is going to be a great player for you, like
Speaker 2: Abdul Carter. You want Travis Hunters, somebody you know is
Speaker 2: going to be great, Yes, Mark, But.
Speaker 6: Pete Carroll had Rocky Russell Wilson. So maybe if he
Speaker 6: thinks Shard door Sanders would fit in his system, maybe
Speaker 6: he'll go with him.
Speaker 2: But he had a top five defense. He just needed
Speaker 2: a quarterback who could be a little more athletic than
Speaker 2: Matt Flynn. You know, the bar wasn't set too high there,
Speaker 2: and Russ turned out to be a whole lot better
Speaker 2: than you know, Pete probably even thought, and he I
Speaker 2: wouldn't put, you know, out of the equation of bringing
Speaker 2: in Russell Wilson to Vegas. I think I think Pete
Speaker 2: and Russ have mended their offences there. I think that
Speaker 2: relationship was bad in Seattle. And you know, my source
Speaker 2: said that it was going to be one or the
Speaker 2: other had to go and of course Russell lost that one.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Pauli, Marvi and I were just saying, who's the
Speaker 5: least Vegas quarterback.
Speaker 4: In the NFL.
Speaker 2: Russell, wils Kirk Cousins, one seed, Yes Kirk Cousins. Yes,
Speaker 2: Wilson is super Vegas.
Speaker 4: Yes, oh yeah.
Speaker 2: Well his wife will make him super Vegas.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Remember man, when we saw him in Miami. He's got
Speaker 8: the chains, he's got the shades of Valor's shirt.
Speaker 4: He's modern day Vegas.
Speaker 2: I thought he was trying to channel John Stamos when
Speaker 2: we saw him in Miami with his hair and like
Speaker 2: he was like, damn, what's going on?
Speaker 9: Russ?
Speaker 2: And I was like, that's a makeover with your wife.
Speaker 2: Sierra's got that written all over. Yeah, pulling.
Speaker 5: I still think though, teams like the New York Giants
Speaker 5: and jackson not Jacksonville, the Raiders, the Jets, the Saints,
Speaker 5: they're probably all playing it if they don't aren't interested
Speaker 5: in that quarterback because there's not a lot to choose from.
Speaker 5: Remember years ago, the Jacksonville Jaguars, they didn't even interview
Speaker 5: Blake Bortles, and they acted like they weren't interested and
Speaker 5: they just took him. Now, it worked out for a
Speaker 5: little bit. But these teams have deeper strategies sometimes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but if once again they're looking at Shade or
Speaker 2: Sanders and they're assessing what is real he's non athletic
Speaker 2: in the face bet he's six to one. Oh wait,
Speaker 2: what's the well, no teams are going to be stupid.
Speaker 2: I mean somebody will be like, uh, she's right there, Well,
Speaker 2: we're gonna take him.
Speaker 4: What would be the over under from where he's drafted.
Speaker 9: Uh?
Speaker 2: If I give you five and a half five and
Speaker 2: a half over under pie to the face, would you
Speaker 2: take pie to the face under five and a half?
Speaker 4: For sure?
Speaker 2: Is anybody who want a piece of Paulie for piece
Speaker 2: of pie? Shudoor Sanders goes in the top five, anybody
Speaker 2: want a piece of that? Could be a trade. Somebody
Speaker 2: trades crickets on the other side, crickets on the.
Speaker 4: If we would have done this bet, you know.
Speaker 2: What, Paulie, I'll take you. I'll take you up on it.
Speaker 5: If we did this bet two weeks ago, everybody would
Speaker 5: have said he's in the top yes, yes, so.
Speaker 2: You got Shoudoor Sanders fifth or higher the over under
Speaker 2: five and a half. The bet is who has he
Speaker 2: will go within the Paulie has shudor going top five,
Speaker 2: So the over under five and a half. If I
Speaker 2: made you guys bet on it, what would you take?
Speaker 2: I would take the six six six. Oh yeah, yeah
Speaker 2: I could. I could talk myself into jumping in on that. Marvin,
Speaker 2: what about you? Yeah I could too, Paul Fritzi, Yeah,
Speaker 2: six plus yeah, all right, I like it.
Speaker 4: Good times.
Speaker 2: Well, we we have to have one of these bets
Speaker 2: every draft. What was the one we had last year?
Speaker 2: Was it? Uh? Didn't didn't? Wasn't there a bet top
Speaker 2: fifteen pick or dang Kenny Pickett? I think was a
Speaker 2: few years ago that we did that one.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Paul, he definitely did a number of quarterbacks in
Speaker 5: round one last year. I think we had four and
Speaker 5: a half or five and a half.
Speaker 4: Oh man checking.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, let's let me take a break here,
Speaker 2: let me take a break. We get more phone calls
Speaker 2: coming up back after this Dan Patrick show.
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Speaker 2: The Eagles cut Darius Sleigh and it's one of those
Speaker 2: where you go wow, but then you realize he's thirty four.
Speaker 2: He wants to play one more year. They have a
Speaker 2: really young secondary and he gets paid a lot of money.
Speaker 2: He became expendable. Recapping the Kyrie Irving news. He's out
Speaker 2: for the rest of the year. Torn acl This according
Speaker 2: to ESPN Final Hour poll question Seaton, did you put
Speaker 2: up something for the third hour?
Speaker 8: Yeah, we got one here to update you on. Being
Speaker 8: franchise tagged is a black Big Mike, positive or negative?
Speaker 8: Being franchise tagged is a positive or negative?
Speaker 2: I would say a negative and lass I'm Kirk Cousins
Speaker 2: and I get tagged, and then I get tagged, and
Speaker 2: then I get signed a guaranteed contract after that. It
Speaker 2: certainly worked out well for him. I don't think t
Speaker 2: Higgins is thrilled that he got tagged by the Cincinnati Bengals. Again.
Speaker 2: He wants to Yes, he wants to get a long
Speaker 2: term deal. And now you hire Jamar Chase's agent, so
Speaker 2: maybe you kind of go in there and you go,
Speaker 2: let me negotiate for both of my clients here. But
Speaker 2: Jamar Chase is going to get paid. Justin Jefferson, the
Speaker 2: highest paid wide receiver. I believe if I'm Jamar Chase,
Speaker 2: now you're going in and trying to negotiate with the
Speaker 2: Bengals historically cheap. I'm asking for something that begins with
Speaker 2: a four, and you could say I got you to
Speaker 2: the super Bowl, and if the line had blocked Aaron Donald,
Speaker 2: I might have won you the super Bowl. He's probably
Speaker 2: gonna ask for that. And look, T Higgins got paid
Speaker 2: a lot, like I think it's around twenty six twenty
Speaker 2: seven million for the tag. That's one year. See that's
Speaker 2: the problem. You know, you're you want guaranteed money, and
Speaker 2: if you're a wide receiver, you know, just like a
Speaker 2: running back, your days are numbered staying healthy. You want
Speaker 2: to get as the kids say, the bag. T Higgins
Speaker 2: didn't get it, So I would say not not a compliment. Yes, Marvin,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 6: I think sor right, because look, you get a big
Speaker 6: bag for this year, but I know you want long term.
Speaker 6: But if you're a Le'Veon Bell, would you have played
Speaker 6: that season?
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, but it's a good thing because you never
Speaker 2: get that money back. You know he never got that
Speaker 2: money back and.
Speaker 6: He had to go play for the Jets.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, you try to prove a point and it
Speaker 2: didn't work. Cow. Well there, all right, a couple of
Speaker 2: phone calls in here. Let's see how about Tracy and Georgia? Hi, Trace,
Speaker 2: what's on your mind?
Speaker 11: Good morning, gentlemen in Fritzy. When you're having the discussion
Speaker 11: about the most arrogant quarterbacks of all time, you're really
Speaker 11: leaving off one of the one of the worst. In
Speaker 11: my opinion, this guy gets a couple of stats. See
Speaker 11: if we can't get a blue blue. This guy signed
Speaker 11: the highest rookie contract ever. He threw forty six interceptions
Speaker 11: on his way to forty one touchdowns, lost thirty five
Speaker 11: of his first forty nine games, and that ineptitude was
Speaker 11: only surpassed by his ability to be a grade A
Speaker 11: number one A hole.
Speaker 2: You guess me, Paulie.
Speaker 4: I think I have this Jeff George blue bloo.
Speaker 2: All right, congratulations, Paulie knows a holes. Jeff George. Congratulations,
Speaker 2: Jeff George. All you could throw a great depot. That's
Speaker 2: the only whatever you say, Jeff George, they always go, man,
Speaker 2: he could throw the deep ball on the prettier balls. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Jeff George, Yeah yeah.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 2: Lucas and Texas, Hi Luke, what's on your mind?
Speaker 9: Dan?
Speaker 12: Good morning, Good morning. I want to talk real quick
Speaker 12: about shaduor Sanders, but I've got to compliment Eduardo from
Speaker 12: a couple of hours ago. In a show that celebrates
Speaker 12: left turns, I have not really heard of one that
Speaker 12: made me stop and laugh harder than someone with a
Speaker 12: deep voice like Paul Harvey. Like someone called earlier Paul
Speaker 12: Harvey talking about various statey Eye of South America. Anyways,
Speaker 12: I'd like to talk. I'm here to talk about Shador Sanders, like,
Speaker 12: oh my gosh, it was an all timer. It was
Speaker 12: like to be celebrated. But yeah, I mean, my two
Speaker 12: cents on it is I agree with Peter King. This
Speaker 12: is all a smoke show in a league, in a
Speaker 12: professional environment that almost thrives on arrogance, Like I mean,
Speaker 12: what twenty two year old think that they could take
Speaker 12: over an NFL team and not be a little bit arrogant.
Speaker 12: He feels like someone is just waiting to try to
Speaker 12: get a little maneuvering place. And I agree, I think
Speaker 12: the Raiders are a great spot. Brady was famously cocky, arrogant,
Speaker 12: however you want to phrase it, and that's always been
Speaker 12: the brand of the Raiders. This feels like a play
Speaker 12: more than anything else. I lean more with Peter team
Speaker 12: than the other two guests you guys have had. I
Speaker 12: think he's right on the ball with it.
Speaker 2: Okay, but you know, keep this in mind. This is
Speaker 2: one coach who labeled Shador Sanders arrogant in brash. These
Speaker 2: are two analysts who are looking at Shadoor Sanders not
Speaker 2: as arrogant or brash, just his talent. So there's a
Speaker 2: big difference here. If it's a smoke screen kind of
Speaker 2: a fakes smear campaign. Okay, that's one thing. These are
Speaker 2: analysts who are looking him as a football player, not
Speaker 2: his personality. They're talking about he's only six to one,
Speaker 2: he's not a great athlete. Does he have a big
Speaker 2: time arm? So those are football questions, This isn't personality questions.
Speaker 8: Yes, it's not exactly breaking news or a hot take
Speaker 8: too to say either that just based on my own
Speaker 8: lived experience, there is a sizeable percentage of children who
Speaker 8: grow up with wealthy parents that are arrogant. I don't
Speaker 8: know if people were aware of this or not, but
Speaker 8: most wealthy kids are kids who come from wealthy parents.
Speaker 8: By and large, fair to be a certain degree of arrogant.
Speaker 2: I don't like this personality trait if you want to
Speaker 2: call it, doesn't bother me because I have a friend.
Speaker 2: The first time I met him, this is fifteen years ago,
Speaker 2: he told me is IQ. It was one sixty two,
Speaker 2: and I said to him, if you're that smart, shouldn't
Speaker 2: I have been able to figure out that you're that smart?
Speaker 2: Why did you have to tell me? But he is
Speaker 2: extremely arrogant, cocky, confident, but he does want to be wrong.
Speaker 2: So sr. Door Sanders might be arrogant, might be cocky,
Speaker 2: but he he doesn't He's not going to let himself
Speaker 2: be embarrassed. He's he's gonna be great, or at least
Speaker 2: that's his mindset. You want to be great. You don't
Speaker 2: want to put yourself out there and have somebody go, oh,
Speaker 2: you're supposed to be great or you're supposed to be smart.
Speaker 2: There's people who are like that that they still you
Speaker 2: may not like their personality, but that's who they are
Speaker 2: and they don't want to be wrong. Shir Door Sanders,
Speaker 2: he's got money, an I l came from money with
Speaker 2: his father. Maybe he's going in with you know, an
Speaker 2: entitled you know kind of persona. I understand it, but
Speaker 2: that you know, if you're arrogant or brash or cocky
Speaker 2: or whatever, let me see how you play. I don't
Speaker 2: care what you say. I care how you play.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Paul, If you play well, your personality is a positive.
Speaker 5: If you play poorly, it's a negative. Jay Cutler was
Speaker 5: kind of the thard and disinterested, but when he played well,
Speaker 5: he wasn't. And then when he started playing poorly for
Speaker 5: the Bears, he was that. If you look at Joe Montana,
Speaker 5: you met Joe, he seems casual, not fired up raw rah.
Speaker 5: But nobody ever said anything about his demeanor. His demeanor
Speaker 5: was cool because he won.
Speaker 2: Robin Orlando, Hi, Rob, what's on your mind?
Speaker 9: Hey Dan, Good afternoon. Good chat with you guys again.
Speaker 9: Multi time caller, long time listener five eleven, two oh six. Yeah.
Speaker 9: I don't want to overachieve, under achieve. I just want
Speaker 9: to be average. I'm the shoot hour Sanders thing you
Speaker 9: guys are talking about, you know, And and here draft
Speaker 9: analysts talk about his skill set. He might have been
Speaker 9: the sixth seventh pick last year in the draft, six
Speaker 9: seven quarterback come out of the draft last year, And
Speaker 9: I think that's really the rob So combine that with
Speaker 9: the side was going to be potentially him and his father.
Speaker 9: I think teams that are like borderline on them aren'
Speaker 9: gonna want to deal with that.
Speaker 2: It might be, you know, they may find out that
Speaker 2: Chardoor doesn't want to go to the Cleveland Browns. Maybe
Speaker 2: the Cleveland Browns don't want Shardoor. And I think what
Speaker 2: happened is we got caught up in oh Dion's going
Speaker 2: to steer him where he wants to and you know,
Speaker 2: is he gonna want to go to the Tennessee Titans
Speaker 2: or the Jets or they may not want him for
Speaker 2: all we know. But Dion, when he joined me at
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl said he's already reached out to some
Speaker 2: teams to talk to them.
Speaker 12: Now.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's you better take him or
Speaker 2: you better not take him, but he's already started that process.
Speaker 2: He may just be overrated because he should. Door Sanders
Speaker 2: and we saw him he was at Colorado. I just
Speaker 2: know what I saw on the field. He's a good quarterback,
Speaker 2: tough quarterback. But once again we're talking there's a lot
Speaker 2: of really good quarterbacks in college. There's only a few
Speaker 2: really really good quarterbacks in the NFL. Is he capable
Speaker 2: of being that kind of quarterback? Is he a Teddy Bridgewater,
Speaker 2: which is not a bad career, but not a franchise quarterback,
Speaker 2: similar skill set. Probably not a big guy, not particularly elusive,
Speaker 2: but stayed. You know, Jacoby Brissett, I mean, I don't
Speaker 2: know an he's six' one two or six one and a. Half,
Speaker 2: okay that's a knock as. Well BUT i think in
Speaker 2: TODAY'S nfl they're probably. Looking you, know it used to
Speaker 2: be these cookie. Cutters you had to be six four
Speaker 2: or six,' five you had to have a, big arm
Speaker 2: you had to be strong in. The pocket those days are.
Speaker 2: LONG gone, I Mean matthew stafford is. A Dinosaur Even,
Speaker 2: JARED goff, I Mean josh allen is, that size but
Speaker 2: he has that the athleticism of any other quarterback Except.
Speaker 2: For lamar, You, know kyler we're still not Sure. About
Speaker 2: russ we're still not sure about after all these years
Speaker 2: we were and then. We WEREN'T now i don't know
Speaker 2: where we are. With it but, you know looking for,
Speaker 2: your quarterback you know, the size, arm strength can you
Speaker 2: can you extend? A play can you get? A First
Speaker 2: patrick mahomes was not known as a great Athlete At texas.
Speaker 2: TECH people i don't KNOW if i ever read anything where, they,
Speaker 2: go man that guy, can run, it was he can throw,
Speaker 2: the ball and then what, you know one of his
Speaker 2: great attributes is extending a. Play running every one of
Speaker 2: these quarterbacks you. NEED it i don't care If It's,
Speaker 2: Geno Smith. Trevor lawrence at some point you need your
Speaker 2: quarterback to extend a play or beat you with. His
Speaker 2: legs and that's not something should. Or does can you
Speaker 2: say he's going to stay in. The pocket and he
Speaker 2: may Be A geno smith kind, of quarterback which nothing wrong.
Speaker 2: With that gino's starting and, you know really resuscitated. HIS
Speaker 2: career i just don't Know if shador is a. Great quarterback,
Speaker 2: maybe good but is that. Good enough Let's see James In. Salt, Lake,
Speaker 2: hi james what's on? Your? Mind?
Speaker 13: Okay dan how, you?
Speaker 12: Doing brother how you?
Speaker 9: Been?
Speaker 2: Great james?
Speaker 14: Good man i'm.
Speaker 13: GLAD man i love, YOUR show i love.
Speaker 12: YOUR vibe i love what.
Speaker 13: Y'all, do man thank you.
Speaker 12: For that just, real.
Speaker 13: QUICK man i know y'all haven't said much about the
Speaker 13: tink gave, this fight but is this guy WITH the wwe.
Speaker 13: THE ref, i mean this guy got to talk to,
Speaker 13: his mom he was Looking, for floyd and then he
Speaker 13: didn't even get. A count this would have been a
Speaker 13: perfect Time for johnsena to come out and. GO rogue
Speaker 13: i can't, Believe, IT dan i don't know. WHAT'S up i,
Speaker 13: love boxing but how did this guy not get a
Speaker 13: count and.
Speaker 12: Got his face?
Speaker 13: Wiped off he was able to do whatever he wanted
Speaker 13: and then the, ref's like are?
Speaker 14: You okay?
Speaker 12: You're good you want?
Speaker 2: To far, but yeah, all right well Thank. You james
Speaker 2: maybe a. Left turn eduardo said that that was a. Left,
Speaker 2: turn uh let's take a. Break here did you follow, That.
Speaker 2: FIGHT marvin i saw a couple of stories, on IT
Speaker 2: BUT i.
Speaker 6: I just saw Videos, on TWITTER but i didn't.
Speaker 2: See, anything yeah? In, DETAIL yeah I mean i was
Speaker 2: too caught Up In john cena. TURNING heel, I mean
Speaker 2: i can't.
Speaker 6: Even believe. It's Unbelievable After, hulk hogan this is the
Speaker 6: biggest heel turning in the head.
Speaker 2: Is unbelievable it. Is, unbelievable, Yeah, yes paul.
Speaker 5: The Fight Was tank Davis Versus lamont Roach And tank
Speaker 5: davis he got something from his hair into his eyes
Speaker 5: and it affected his vision and he took like a
Speaker 5: time out during a, live ROUND which i think confused
Speaker 5: people because they didn't know there was timeouts, in BOXING
Speaker 5: because i don't think, There, are, uh okay but the.
Speaker 4: Ref let them take.
Speaker 2: A break i saw a. Fight recently uh it WAS
Speaker 2: the ufc where the guy went to tap the gloves of,
Speaker 2: his opponent, you know to you kind of come out and,
Speaker 2: you tap, you know it's like it's like.
Speaker 9: He.
Speaker 2: Suckered, him yeah he. Dropped him he dropped him in
Speaker 2: his seven Seconds. Bush lee, it's, like yeah tap and then,
Speaker 2: he tabbed put his, hand boom. Seven, Seconds, yes marvin
Speaker 2: protect yourself at. All times, Thank. You marvin let's take.
Speaker 2: A break last call for? Phone calls what? We learn
Speaker 2: what's in? Store tomorrow, after this.
Speaker 1: Be sure to catch the live Edition Of The Dan
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Speaker 1: Phone calls what? We learn what's in?
Speaker 2: Store Tomorrow nicks warriors tonight At the garden Over Under. Jalen,
Speaker 2: Brunson marvin i'll start.
Speaker 6: With you it's twenty five and.
Speaker 4: A half paul twenty six and. A, Half Whoop.
Speaker 2: Steph curry over under tonight Against The knicks.
Speaker 7: Todd thirty two and, A half seatan twenty seven and,
Speaker 7: A half paul twenty four and, A half marvin twenty
Speaker 7: nine and, a half.
Speaker 2: Twenty six and, A Half, Jalen Brunson steph curry both
Speaker 2: twenty six and. A half i'll go Over For. Jalen
Speaker 2: brunson feels like you're supposed to go Over For. Steph
Speaker 2: curry How About Pelicans lakers luca Over under.
Speaker 4: Paul the twenty seven and, A half.
Speaker 6: Marvin twenty six and, A half todd thirty and, A
Speaker 6: half seatan twenty eight and.
Speaker 2: A half bloop bloop bloop Over Under, Lebron james paul.
Speaker 6: Twenty three and, A half marvin twenty five and, A
Speaker 6: half todd twenty six and.
Speaker 1: A half.
Speaker 14: WOOP bloopo i gotta play the game.
Speaker 2: Sometimes twenty six and a Half, For lebron Steph And.
Speaker 2: Jalen brunson, all right this day in, Sports, history paul
Speaker 2: what do you have?
Speaker 5: For me he's got a couple, for you. This one in,
Speaker 5: nineteen Thirteen The New york yankees Traveled to bermuda for,
Speaker 5: spring practice as they. Called it they were the first
Speaker 5: team to leave the country from.
Speaker 4: To train.
Speaker 5: The v foundation formed in nineteen ninety three And In
Speaker 5: new york nineteen, ninety three the first Ever esp awards.
Speaker 4: Were held you, Were, THERE yes i was after party.
Speaker 7: Pretty good uh they have, Those back yeah.
Speaker 2: They. Did yeah certain members of management always made sure
Speaker 2: that we had a. GOOD party i remember that we,
Speaker 2: LAUNCHED well i don't want to get too, many DETAILS
Speaker 2: but i remember a member of management fell out of,
Speaker 2: a car a parked car in the. Parking lot he
Speaker 2: had been, over served but, you know he. Wasn't driving
Speaker 2: that was the, good thing but kind of spilled out
Speaker 2: of his car or. SOMEBODY'S car i, Should, say ah
Speaker 2: the good, old days.
Speaker 9: YOU.
Speaker 2: Know espn Let's see Abby In des Moines Or.
Speaker 1: Des.
Speaker 2: Monet hi how are?
Speaker 9: You?
Speaker 15: Great, abby oh thank you so much for taking. MY
Speaker 15: call i am a first, time Caller so i'm a,
Speaker 15: bit nervous but please bear.
Speaker 9: With me.
Speaker 12: This is a little.
Speaker 15: OFF topic i know that you guys at one point
Speaker 15: were planning a Trip, to iowa And so i'm just
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Speaker 2: Thank you we've had some People From des moines who've
Speaker 2: reached out ALREADY and i think talking about some of
Speaker 2: the places that you've. Brought up but we are still
Speaker 2: planning on Going. To. Iowa uh, in fact we've talked
Speaker 2: about it almost on a. Weekly basis we'll let you
Speaker 2: know when we're going and where we're going to be
Speaker 2: in the different cities that we're going to try. To
Speaker 2: hit it's sort of, like uh, you know presidential CAMPAIGN barnstorming,
Speaker 2: i guess, you know they would do it, by train
Speaker 2: where they'd be in the, you know coming through on
Speaker 2: a train. And waving, but yeah, you know there's some
Speaker 2: things to. Work out, but yes we are planning on Going. To,
Speaker 2: Iowa uh David. In La, hi david what's on your? Mind?
Speaker 16: Today HID and i wanted to reference your father's innovative
Speaker 16: thinking in the area for ball analytics because it reminds
Speaker 16: me of something press here my own father came up
Speaker 16: with in the. NINETEEN seventies i remember him describing and
Speaker 16: even sketching out this concept that would use ground level
Speaker 16: cameras moving.
Speaker 13: Up and down the sidelines on.
Speaker 16: A, fixed rail precisely measuring ball spots and doing away with. First,
Speaker 16: starantams now, you know who knows how this would have
Speaker 16: played out with coaches tripping over it or fans who
Speaker 16: liked the drama of. A MEASUREMENT but i, was thinking
Speaker 16: imagine if our two visionary fathers got together and perfected
Speaker 16: their respective ideas and they stayed of REVOLUTIONIZED the nfl
Speaker 16: fifty years ahead of.
Speaker 2: Its, time well, Thank. You, david yeah a lot of
Speaker 2: Reaction that sean McVay was on yesterday and his grandfather
Speaker 2: was the coach At the University. Of dayton my dad
Speaker 2: was in computer science and this is back in the
Speaker 2: late sixties, early seventies and he wanted to help the,
Speaker 2: football team so he asked coach McVeigh to give him
Speaker 2: all the information on their opponents and what their. Tendencies
Speaker 2: were he was trying to, figure out, you know what they,
Speaker 2: would call, you know third, and eight what they would
Speaker 2: call if it was, you know first, and ten what
Speaker 2: plays would? They run and he put it into a
Speaker 2: computer and then, you know it's probably one of the
Speaker 2: first football analytics that was. EVER invented, i guess lack
Speaker 2: of a, better word but he thought the computers were.
Speaker 2: The future we didn't see it at, you know all
Speaker 2: of my brothers, and sisters but obviously he. Was right
Speaker 2: and with the analytics. As well where would we be, Without,
Speaker 2: analytics well some WOULD say i wish we were. Without
Speaker 2: analytics Don't Get michael wilbon started, on this, but yeah
Speaker 2: thank you for the reaction. To that let Me see
Speaker 2: terry And. San, Diego hi Terry.
Speaker 14: Hie dan first. Time caller thanks for. HAVING me i
Speaker 14: really appreciate. Your Show, SADUR sanders i really feel like
Speaker 14: he's a social media influencer draft pick because he doesn't make,
Speaker 14: decisions fast and you looked. At it, you know the
Speaker 14: first played with a bad. Offensive line he was getting
Speaker 14: killed and until he had like three or five seconds,
Speaker 14: to throw he. Was horrible he's, not fast he doesn't
Speaker 14: make decisions Quickly Like. BAKER mayfield i don't understand how
Speaker 14: this quarterback that would rather take a sack than throw
Speaker 14: a risky ball or throw it away to pat his
Speaker 14: satz is getting so. MUCH hype i feel like there
Speaker 14: are teams trying to trick other teams into. Drafting him.
Speaker 2: IT'S crazy, i well, ONCE again i didn't hear, any
Speaker 2: negatives of very, few negatives and now all of, a
Speaker 2: sudden That's all i've heard, negatives now and then there,
Speaker 2: might be, you know a groundswell for the other side
Speaker 2: to come back and talk about all the, great things
Speaker 2: and then he has his pro day. As, well todd
Speaker 2: would you learn today.
Speaker 12: What made me perceived as arrogance or brash behavior to
Speaker 12: one person could be great confidence with a little cockiness to.
Speaker 2: Another seat it's that time, of, Year, rumors marvin.
Speaker 6: You Said kirk cousins will be an. Expensive mentor paul always.
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Speaker 2: Estimate today, uh oh Better. Get mako thanks for the, phone,
Speaker 2: calls emails tweets and To, you eduardo. Thank you have a.
Speaker 2: Great day