Speaker 1: What's that at the foot of my bed. It's spooky
Speaker 1: and jooky. I'm really sure it's dead. It's coming, it's
Speaker 1: way Wait a minute, I'm just I runs ends. Hey boo,
Speaker 1: it's me Roz.
Speaker 2: I don't have much to say in this intro today,
Speaker 2: but I am so excited for you to hear this conversation.
Speaker 2: There's this Instagram account that I've been following for a
Speaker 2: little while now, and I know that a lot of
Speaker 2: people that listen to this podcast follow it, and so
Speaker 2: I reached out and got the person that runs it.
Speaker 2: On the show, that instagram is called at Haunted dot
Speaker 2: Historian and the person that runs it is named Gossiel
Speaker 2: and Connor is a paranormal investigator. Turns out we got
Speaker 2: some stories, and as I kind of teased last week,
Speaker 2: I wait till the end of this conversation because it's
Speaker 2: one of the most frightening stories. I don't know why,
Speaker 2: but it just got me. Connor can tell a story,
Speaker 2: so it's a good one. I like this conversation a lot,
Speaker 2: and I hope you will as well. And as always,
Speaker 2: if you want a little extra go over to Patreon.
Speaker 2: We've got a couple of little clips on there, I
Speaker 2: took a little bit out of my little rapid Fire
Speaker 2: Unexplained Paranormal Phenomena section of the show, put some of
Speaker 2: that on Patreons. So we talk about aliens. Turns out
Speaker 2: I asked Connor about haunted dolls, one of my favorite topics,
Speaker 2: and Connor owns multiple haunted dolls, So we talk about that,
Speaker 2: and we also talk about you have when you see
Speaker 2: a haunted place and it just everything about it looks haunted,
Speaker 2: but then it's like it's not, and what do you
Speaker 2: do in that event? Because if you don't know about
Speaker 2: this Instagram page, the Haunted Historian, it is so cool.
Speaker 2: It it's gorgeous photographs of a lot of like obscure
Speaker 2: haunted places, like places not always your typical haunted places
Speaker 2: that you see on the TV shows or you're reading
Speaker 2: the books. You know, the Haunted Historian really gives you.
Speaker 2: It exposes you to some kind of unknown haunted places
Speaker 2: and there's always a great write up about the history
Speaker 2: of it. And that's that's why I really like everything
Speaker 2: that Connor does on the Haunted Historian on Instagram. So again,
Speaker 2: if you want to hear a little bit more, get
Speaker 2: a Patreon dot Com slash RELs. Dress Flees also a
Speaker 2: link in the bio, and I finally find decided to
Speaker 2: do something that I've been asked to do for a
Speaker 2: long time now. Listen, I am. I do not claim
Speaker 2: to be a makeup artist or anything like that, but
Speaker 2: when you're known as a drag queen, people always want
Speaker 2: you to do makeup tutorials. And I've done a little
Speaker 2: bit of it over the years. I'm not gonna lie,
Speaker 2: I've been approached to do actually a couple of times,
Speaker 2: I've been approached to do some of these, like I
Speaker 2: don't even know what you call them, like really viral
Speaker 2: YouTube or Facebook pages or whatever that do makeup tutorials
Speaker 2: with drag queens, and I've I've never wanted to do it.
Speaker 1: I think, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of it has to do with
Speaker 2: not wanting to be seen out of the full face,
Speaker 2: and I.
Speaker 1: Don't At this point, I just kind of don't care, and.
Speaker 2: So I thought we're better to do it than areon.
Speaker 2: So I put up a two part video. The first
Speaker 2: part came out this week, showing you how I do
Speaker 2: like highlighting and contouring and take you through that journey
Speaker 2: of how I transform into rosdres false. So check that
Speaker 2: out link in the description of this episode and go
Speaker 2: follow the Haunted Historian on Instagram. All right, here's my
Speaker 2: conversation with Connor gossel On with the show. I am
Speaker 2: joined by an instaelebrity today, Connor Gossl aka the Haunted Historian.
Speaker 1: Hello, Cotter, how are you.
Speaker 3: I'm doing fantastic. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm a little starstruck. I love your Instagram so much.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm always like in awe of people that are
Speaker 2: good at Instagram because I not, and you really give
Speaker 2: it to the children. You are very good at it.
Speaker 2: So thank you for taking the time to join me.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I appreciate the very kind word there.
Speaker 2: How did you How did you get into this whole
Speaker 2: instagram a Haunted Historian game?
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I have been an investigator since the
Speaker 4: middle of high school and once college kicked off and
Speaker 4: the group of friends that I had, I kind of
Speaker 4: traveled all around the Midwest doing investigations and we all
Speaker 4: went our separate ways to do our studies at respective universities.
Speaker 4: The opportunity to investigate wasn't as prevalent, and you know,
Speaker 4: being an avid horror, ghost and paranormal enthusiast.
Speaker 3: I really had the urge.
Speaker 4: All the time put his head out and spend a
Speaker 4: hilacious amount of money, all out of my own pocket,
Speaker 4: to rent out an entire place and just do an investigation.
Speaker 4: But being in college and you know, a stereotypical broke
Speaker 4: college student, I did not have the funds to do that.
Speaker 3: So I really just.
Speaker 4: Made The Haunted Historian almost three years ago now, really
Speaker 4: just kind of initially to get all the horror jitters
Speaker 4: out of me and places that I was thinking about.
Speaker 4: Post it on there and share people's stories and their
Speaker 4: their accounts, their encounters, what's going on in their neck
Speaker 4: of the woods, and you know, never really expected for
Speaker 4: it to balloon to what it is at this point
Speaker 4: in time. You know, really started out with the smallest intentions,
Speaker 4: but you know that's how it all happened, with a
Speaker 4: just a desire to get all the spookiness in my
Speaker 4: mind out onto some physical format.
Speaker 1: So how does that work? People?
Speaker 2: Did they send you like you know, you get submissions
Speaker 2: from around the world.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know that doesn't happen so much anymore in
Speaker 4: the sense, well, in a sense that we get more
Speaker 4: submissions than ever of people's homes of places that they
Speaker 4: want to see covered, but we don't.
Speaker 3: We aren't able to do as many of them anymore.
Speaker 4: And that's just because if you start from the bottom
Speaker 4: of the page and you follow up to the quality
Speaker 4: of the posts now, it's significantly it's better picture of
Speaker 4: better image quality, and a lot of places that people
Speaker 4: want to cover, they don't have these the images of
Speaker 4: or a good image does not exist online. So a
Speaker 4: lot of it now is just an extensive amount of
Speaker 4: research by my team among myself trying to closely match
Speaker 4: locales and regions that people are wanting us to really
Speaker 4: dive into.
Speaker 2: So where do you where do people like? I was thinking, like,
Speaker 2: what's based on what people tell you or submissions or
Speaker 2: requests or whatever, Like, would you say that there's a
Speaker 2: region or a place around the world that's like the
Speaker 2: most haunted?
Speaker 4: My hesitation answering that I was trying to think how
Speaker 4: to exactly say. I think that there are countries that
Speaker 4: have a wild propensity for paranormal just given their history,
Speaker 4: how much longer they've been around. And then there are
Speaker 4: some countries who put such an emphasis on the supernatural,
Speaker 4: and other realms in the afterlife that they just seem
Speaker 4: to interact with the living in such a heightened manner.
Speaker 4: And a lot of those places are places in the
Speaker 4: South Pacific or in Eastern Asia, or if you you know,
Speaker 4: deviate away from the New World like the US and
Speaker 4: Australia and go over into Europe. There are places that
Speaker 4: have been around for a lot of them a millennia
Speaker 4: beyond even some of the oldest places here in the US,
Speaker 4: and they just have such history behind them, so you know,
Speaker 4: a lot of the times, those are the places I
Speaker 4: want to cover more of. But the vast majority of
Speaker 4: followers being here in the US, it's not always as
Speaker 4: relatable for them. But absolutely other countries have such a
Speaker 4: different characteristic in their haunting.
Speaker 1: So I always wonder, like.
Speaker 2: The I think we all have this idea we're just conditioned,
Speaker 2: and there's a lot of fact. I think your truth
Speaker 2: to this that the older a place, the more haunted
Speaker 2: it is, which I guess would make sense if you
Speaker 2: think about like, oh, yeah, so many things have happened
Speaker 2: in a place, so there's more opportunities for ghosts, but
Speaker 2: like that's not always the case, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're completely right.
Speaker 4: I mean I certainly have driven by an old, dreary
Speaker 4: building with my friends and pointed out it, just like, oh,
Speaker 4: that place is definitely haunted.
Speaker 3: But I mean, I think.
Speaker 4: Being around longer, having that more extensive history, gives a
Speaker 4: location more of a chance and more of a time
Speaker 4: to have developed kind of misfortune and mishaps and families
Speaker 4: or caretakers or facility management.
Speaker 3: So it's usually just those older buildings.
Speaker 4: That have a darker history because they come from an
Speaker 4: era when safety.
Speaker 3: Wasn't a prime concern.
Speaker 4: They come from an era if they were sanatoriums or
Speaker 4: hospitals where medical practices weren't quite what they are now,
Speaker 4: or they come from points in time where life didn't
Speaker 4: last as long, where medicine wasn't as great, where relations
Speaker 4: between families was a lot more hostile because there wasn't
Speaker 4: as many you know, protections by by the law. So
Speaker 4: I think it's really just those places come from a
Speaker 4: darker period in human history in a lot of senses,
Speaker 4: and it really opened them up to being haunted compared
Speaker 4: to places today.
Speaker 2: I mean, have you ever encountered a jail, a hospital,
Speaker 2: a sanatorium, like any of these haunts, like these abandoned
Speaker 2: places that wasn't haunted.
Speaker 1: I feel like they all are.
Speaker 3: Trying. I'm racking through my mind here.
Speaker 4: The one that I would say I never got any
Speaker 4: clear cut, definitive evidence I was. I was flown out
Speaker 4: UH to Dallas into mineral wells, and I traveled all
Speaker 4: the way to its its eastern border because there was
Speaker 4: an all Vietnam War hospital there called Beach Army Hospital
Speaker 4: that the owners were interested in opening up to the public.
Speaker 4: And I kind of just I knew the owner personally
Speaker 4: and I joked around with him about it. I had
Speaker 4: no idea that he was going to be bringing me
Speaker 4: out there to actually check it out and run through
Speaker 4: that whole operation. And one thing I told my team
Speaker 4: after it was that I had never been so comfortable
Speaker 4: in a building that had the stories that the owners
Speaker 4: were telling me. Usually you're all kind of clumped together,
Speaker 4: you're walking line, just in straight lines down the hallways,
Speaker 4: all kind of bundled up here and in rooms very cautiously.
Speaker 4: But I was just while he was giving us a tour,
Speaker 4: walking in and out of rooms, going into adjacent hallways,
Speaker 4: just not a care in the world. And I didn't
Speaker 4: really notice my behavior and how fine I felt in
Speaker 4: there until after I left, and there were some things
Speaker 4: that happened, but it was the first time I'd ever
Speaker 4: been inside a facility with its history and backstory where
Speaker 4: where I left, and part of me thought that place
Speaker 4: might not be haunted.
Speaker 3: I think this place might be fine.
Speaker 4: I'll do what the owner would like and open it
Speaker 4: to the public and offer the stories. But you know,
Speaker 4: if whatever evidence they get, they're the first ones to
Speaker 4: ever experience it, because I sure as hell didn't see anything.
Speaker 1: Do you get scared, Oh?
Speaker 3: I get I get horrified.
Speaker 4: One of the things that that not bugs me, but
Speaker 4: I think dissuades a lot of would be investigators from
Speaker 4: heading out is that so many people will look at
Speaker 4: investigators doing their own hunts and they'll say something in
Speaker 4: the comments.
Speaker 3: So they'll say something.
Speaker 4: However, they interact with their fans and just be like,
Speaker 4: you know, I could be locked up in there for
Speaker 4: two or three days and I wouldn't even care, Like
Speaker 4: I'm so brave, nothing would scare me, and none of
Speaker 4: this bothers me at all. I'd punch of ghosts in
Speaker 4: the face and everything. A lot of those lines, and
Speaker 4: it's like, you know, investigator isn't about being macho, and
Speaker 4: especially when you're showing what you see to the world,
Speaker 4: you know, they want to have that human component. They
Speaker 4: want to see your emotion, They want to see how
Speaker 4: you interact with fear. I think anybody who goes into
Speaker 4: an investigation and says that they're not afraid or they're
Speaker 4: not worried what an outcome could be, I think they're
Speaker 4: partially lying.
Speaker 3: At least because I am terrified.
Speaker 4: I leave most investigations wondering and questioning why I'm involved
Speaker 4: in this whatsoever?
Speaker 2: Well, I always wonder too, like if I was plopped
Speaker 2: into like a super haunted place, it would be really
Speaker 2: interesting to think about how much of this is like
Speaker 2: my preconceived notion. You know, I think I'm terrified if
Speaker 2: I go to a haunted place knowing that it's you know,
Speaker 2: I've heard so many stories about all the things that
Speaker 2: happen at this place and have happened there, and you know,
Speaker 2: I think that that really affects how I would feel
Speaker 2: my comfort level while they're But and then you go,
Speaker 2: you know, is do I really have instincts that tell
Speaker 2: me that, you know, I'm picking up on vibes or whatever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And then that's a completely valid point to make.
Speaker 4: I mean, there are a lot of I like to
Speaker 4: believe that I can kind of feel if a place
Speaker 4: is haunted, But at this point in time, if I
Speaker 4: ever feel comfortable like I did in that hospital, it
Speaker 4: could just be because I've been in so many.
Speaker 1: That's what I was gonna say.
Speaker 2: I'm like, is that a sign that you need to
Speaker 2: like get you know, up the ante and head to
Speaker 2: some real spooky places?
Speaker 3: Exactly that?
Speaker 4: And that that's the fear nowadays that if I, uh,
Speaker 4: if I want to really get scared and into an investigation,
Speaker 4: I gotta find a place that nobody's ever been to,
Speaker 4: which is hard to come across these days.
Speaker 2: Well, that's what I love about your Instagram is that
Speaker 2: there's so many places that I don't never knew about.
Speaker 2: And it got me really thinking about because you know,
Speaker 2: I talked to so many people about haunted places, and
Speaker 2: sometimes they'll have these amazing stories about places that like
Speaker 2: most people don't know. Like, there's so many haunted places
Speaker 2: out there. Sure, there's like the ones that you make
Speaker 2: all the rounds on the paranormal shows, but then there's like,
Speaker 2: you know, someone lives in a house for years and
Speaker 2: they might not be the personality type that is like, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go tell everyone. You know, sometimes people just
Speaker 2: live with it for years. Sometimes people you know it.
Speaker 2: It just depends. I mean, those are kind of like
Speaker 2: the ones that we want to hear about because you know,
Speaker 2: no one else has ever heard the stories. I mean,
Speaker 2: do you encounter that where you stumble on these places
Speaker 2: where you're like, oh, this is what we're looking for.
Speaker 2: We've never heard this story before.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, that is what we really try to
Speaker 4: focus on for most of our posts, is you know,
Speaker 4: finding exactly what you just mentioned, the locations that no
Speaker 4: one really thinks about her none of the shows really
Speaker 4: go to or isn't really given as much attention, but
Speaker 4: the history behind them and the accounts that you find
Speaker 4: from the caretakers are from locals or just truly horrific
Speaker 4: or just truly mesmerizing to hear about. And and that's
Speaker 4: kind of why, you know, it's difficult. The longer the
Speaker 4: page lasts, the harder it gets to find that content,
Speaker 4: places that people beyond that periphery haven't really heard about.
Speaker 4: So I would say the days doing a post and
Speaker 4: the research for it, and the picture rights and the
Speaker 4: write ups it's like a three or four hour process
Speaker 4: putting it all together. And you know, some days we
Speaker 4: always try to do it every other day, but then
Speaker 4: some days there's just no location that excites us. There's
Speaker 4: nothing that we look at like this is new and
Speaker 4: original content that would benefit people. And so sometimes they're
Speaker 4: like a week where we don't post because we're like
Speaker 4: diving deep every single day trying to find that spot
Speaker 4: and we're just not stumbling across it. And then and
Speaker 4: then the very next day you'll hop back on and
Speaker 4: you find like twelve of them.
Speaker 2: So right, I mean I deal with that with like
Speaker 2: getting guests on my podcast too, where I'm like I
Speaker 2: need someone with a good story or I get something
Speaker 2: good to talk about. I totally get it.
Speaker 3: Do you.
Speaker 1: Do you have a.
Speaker 2: Post where you're like, I feel like everyone that has
Speaker 2: an Instagram is like, whether they want to say it
Speaker 2: or not, they're like, this post right here is what
Speaker 2: I aim to recreate for the rest of my Instagram career.
Speaker 2: This is just the perfect post. Do you have one
Speaker 2: of those?
Speaker 4: I like to think I would like to think that
Speaker 4: I have a number of them, but yeah, it's for
Speaker 4: varying reasons. They above all else, because the content that
Speaker 4: there was, or the lack of inside a lot of
Speaker 4: people had in that location seem to surpass the other posts.
Speaker 4: Sometimes it's petty and it's just like, oh my god,
Speaker 4: this post got the most likes.
Speaker 3: I hope that just keeps happening.
Speaker 4: And then sometimes it's just a place that has an
Speaker 4: incredible story and truly unique accounts that I haven't really
Speaker 4: ever come across in my travels or in the things
Speaker 4: that I've read, but for whatever reason, it's popping into
Speaker 4: my head right now. My favorite location that's kind of
Speaker 4: just the quintessential haunted house, and I'm pulling up right
Speaker 4: now on my phones. I don't want to mess up
Speaker 4: its name. It's based in Belvidere, Illinois. It's called the
Speaker 4: Nellie Dunton House. And if memory serves me properly, it
Speaker 4: goes along the lines of she was a widower, her
Speaker 4: husband died in war, as a classic cliche. I don't
Speaker 4: mean that is anything bad against her, but that's always
Speaker 4: how kind of the romantic horror novel goes. And she
Speaker 4: ended up drowning herself in the river behind the house.
Speaker 4: And what's horrifying about it is that numerous families have
Speaker 4: lived there in between, and I believe to this day
Speaker 4: it's a museum. And one thing that the families and
Speaker 4: that current staff and even some visitors have reported is
Speaker 4: that there are numerous times, usually towards the end of
Speaker 4: the evening or going into the night, where the front
Speaker 4: door and the back door will just open up, and
Speaker 4: a lot of people kind of like chalk it up
Speaker 4: to a draft, even though of course you know it's locked.
Speaker 4: It's happening at the same time every night, but it
Speaker 4: always starts. The back door swings open, people will go
Speaker 4: check it out, there's nothing then and then the front door,
Speaker 4: like twenty seconds swings open and they never close themselves.
Speaker 4: They open right up, just like that, like somebody's coming
Speaker 4: in the back door and walking out the front. And
Speaker 4: the creepiest thing about it is that on numerous occasions,
Speaker 4: and if you go online'm pretty sure you actually find
Speaker 4: some images that individuals have taken there are wet footprints
Speaker 4: that walk all the way from the back door.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my god.
Speaker 4: And there's just so many other very unique occurrences at
Speaker 4: the Nelly Dunon House and where I it's not often
Speaker 4: these days I read about a location and get like
Speaker 4: shivers up my spine. But I can just kind of
Speaker 4: picture that and I'm like, somebody, you got to send
Speaker 4: this to Hollywood.
Speaker 3: That is horrifying.
Speaker 2: That is so good. Oh my god, the wet footprints. Okay,
Speaker 2: that gave me shivers. When did you know that you
Speaker 2: had a hit with your with your account?
Speaker 3: I'm not sure.
Speaker 4: In a lot of ways, I'm aware that it's popular,
Speaker 4: I don't know that I would consider it a hit,
Speaker 4: and I guess that's just me. I have a thing
Speaker 4: not against Instagram influencers, but like, I could never consider
Speaker 4: myself an influencer. I could never consider it any degree
Speaker 4: of fame or anything like that. I'm happy the page
Speaker 4: is connected with people, but I guess the one point
Speaker 4: there's been where I kind of was verified in some
Speaker 4: sense like okay, okay, maybe there's more to this than
Speaker 4: than I'm humbly giving it.
Speaker 3: And that was just the turn of the year this
Speaker 3: past year.
Speaker 4: And I woke up on I think it was like
Speaker 4: January second, January third, and the page had been verified,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, oh god, that is not something I
Speaker 4: ever expected to happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's amazing. I'm like, over here, all Hollywood like
Speaker 2: trying to make you sound all like cocky or whatever,
Speaker 2: and you're so funny, You're like so humble, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: come on, brag, brag.
Speaker 4: You'll you'll never You'll never hear me bragging. Like, you know,
Speaker 4: it's my pictures not on there for a reason. Like
Speaker 4: I said beginning, you know, it's really meant to be,
Speaker 4: you know, the story of our paranormal experiences, the shared community,
Speaker 4: both here in the US and around the world. You know,
Speaker 4: it sounds cheesy as hell to say, but you know,
Speaker 4: the haunted historian is kind of like an umbrella term.
Speaker 4: Everybody's the haunted history and everybody is involved in this investigation.
Speaker 3: This is the story of us, not just myself.
Speaker 2: So let's talk about you as a paranormal investigator.
Speaker 1: Did you.
Speaker 2: Did you grow up in a haunted house? I feel
Speaker 2: like that's usually how it works.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there were.
Speaker 4: My parents denied it for a long time, but as
Speaker 4: we as we got older, my brothers started asking questions
Speaker 4: about things that happened in the house over the course
Speaker 4: of the years that we lived there. They kind of
Speaker 4: started to My mother especially kind of started to give way, like, yeah,
Speaker 4: there there was something going on in that home and
Speaker 4: I actually after life and I couldn't tell you how
Speaker 4: it actually came about, but a travel channel ended up
Speaker 4: including our home in a series outlining childhood nightmares and
Speaker 4: stuff like that.
Speaker 3: What yeah, if you go on to what is it?
Speaker 4: I think it's on Discovery Plus my childhood Nightmare, it's
Speaker 4: like the h this. I think it's like episode four
Speaker 4: and it's just like outlining you know, what happened in
Speaker 4: my in my home growing up. You know, they they
Speaker 4: took some liberties, but they got most of it correct.
Speaker 1: Did you get re enacted?
Speaker 3: I did? I they did. They did pretty well for me.
Speaker 4: They for my I had a friend who's just you know,
Speaker 4: a normal looking dude, you know, I had had a
Speaker 4: brown hair, just typical guy. And the kid that they
Speaker 4: got to plaim is just some some dude with this
Speaker 4: big mohawk, just sitting down next to me and we're
Speaker 4: watching it, just cracking up, like, oh my god. They
Speaker 4: really just said, you know what, we don't care who
Speaker 4: the hell plays Nick. Let's just get some white guy
Speaker 4: in there and it's gonna work out.
Speaker 2: I love talking to people that have been reenacted, you know.
Speaker 2: I talked to a lot of people that were on
Speaker 2: celebrity ghost stories, and it's always funny to hear who
Speaker 2: gets offended who by who they You know, they choose
Speaker 2: to reenact you who. Sometimes the wigs are a little crazy,
Speaker 2: but okay, I have to see that. So this it's
Speaker 2: you telling the story of what happened.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's it's me telling the story and being reenacted.
Speaker 4: I think it's funny you say that's like we were
Speaker 4: more excited to see who they cast to play us than.
Speaker 3: We would the episodes.
Speaker 4: But I I had no complaints and my my friend
Speaker 4: didn't either. We just thought it was so wildly ridiculous
Speaker 4: who they who they cast for them?
Speaker 3: But it was. It was a fun experience. It was
Speaker 3: the whole ordeal of filming. It was much.
Speaker 4: Longer than I would have thought, but it gives me
Speaker 4: some cool insight going forwards, and shows like that get
Speaker 4: made all the time about what the process is, Like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what what's the story?
Speaker 4: Well, we were the first house in our neighborhood to
Speaker 4: be constructed, and I want to say the year was
Speaker 4: right around nineteen ninety six, nineteen ninety seven, and where
Speaker 4: was this was in Beaver Creek, Ohio, just just south
Speaker 4: of Dayton down there.
Speaker 3: In like the southwestern portion of the state.
Speaker 4: It was very underdeveloped at that point in time, and
Speaker 4: that there were a bunch of forests, bunch of rivers,
Speaker 4: cornfields everywhere. You know, we weren't living in like bf E.
Speaker 4: But it was kind of like the one step above
Speaker 4: there on the wrung. But and this goes, this is
Speaker 4: a I should do better about it. I've never really
Speaker 4: looked into the history, and I think a lot of
Speaker 4: it is because I never really wanted to know the history.
Speaker 4: The one thing I could have guessed about our home
Speaker 4: is that that area of Ohio is at absolutely littered
Speaker 4: in Indian mounds, and we lived surrounded by forests and
Speaker 4: corn fields and everything of that nature. So that's always
Speaker 4: what I kind of, you know, appeased my mind by saying,
Speaker 4: was just, you know what, we were probably pretty close
Speaker 4: to a mound or something, and things were acting up
Speaker 4: inside of our house, and as more houses got built,
Speaker 4: the activity stopped in our house.
Speaker 3: For the most part.
Speaker 4: It was really kind of just all the way up
Speaker 4: till I was thirteen years old, and it was everything
Speaker 4: from uh, to give you two specific occurrences, my oldest
Speaker 4: brother wakes up one day and he comes down to
Speaker 4: the breakfast table and he's like, hey, Shane, Shane is
Speaker 4: my brother, and he asked my brother, Shane, were you
Speaker 4: standing in my room last night? And Shane, because Shane
Speaker 4: had a kind of this like history of sleepwalking, and
Speaker 4: he's like, no, I was, Actually I was two hours
Speaker 4: past you last night. I was not walking around and
Speaker 4: I could verify that because I slept in this in
Speaker 4: the same room as Shane, and so Colin's like, huh.
Speaker 4: I like woke up and I thought it was all
Speaker 4: like this like weird, gray, misty figure of you just
Speaker 4: standing in front of my bed, and we kind of laughed.
Speaker 4: But I had some experiences. I didn't really like hold
Speaker 4: it against him. I didn't really I didn't say anything,
Speaker 4: but I didn't hold it against them. And like one month,
Speaker 4: one month later, I'm in the bunk bed that Shane
Speaker 4: and I shared and I wake up and I think
Speaker 4: Shane is standing in front of my bed and I
Speaker 4: kind of start talking, like Shane, what are you doing?
Speaker 4: Are you sleepwalking? And it had the same look that
Speaker 4: Colin had described, very gray, very misty, and I'm kind
Speaker 4: of like getting out from under my sheets, like seeing
Speaker 4: if he's okay. And as I'm getting out, I like,
Speaker 4: I hear Shane on the top bunk of the bed
Speaker 4: kind of roll over, like okay, why are you getting up?
Speaker 3: And I look back to the edge of the bed and.
Speaker 4: It's just gone now, I will say in the reenactment.
Speaker 4: In the episode, they decided to make it into this
Speaker 4: like gray cloaked demonic entity crawling out from under my
Speaker 4: bed and trying to like drag me under or something.
Speaker 4: And I saw that I just like, Okay, well, I
Speaker 4: can't send this to my family now.
Speaker 3: That thing that I was like out there, just like
Speaker 3: our house was possessed by the devil.
Speaker 4: It was the darkest thing that ever was I think,
Speaker 4: the creepiest thing that ever happened in the home. And
Speaker 4: it was completely benign, nothing wrong with it. I think
Speaker 4: from the ages of twelve to fifteen, the ages of
Speaker 4: twelve to fifteen, I had my own room at this point,
Speaker 4: every single night, or at least every other night, I
Speaker 4: would lay down in bed, the lights in the hallway
Speaker 4: would still be on. Being the younger brother, I went
Speaker 4: to bed kind of yusually before everybody else, and the
Speaker 4: lights would usually stay on or they'd click off, but
Speaker 4: I would usually hear the footsteps at the very least
Speaker 4: of my parents coming out the stairs and going to
Speaker 4: bed once everybody was passed out and where they're supposed
Speaker 4: to be, and then my mother would come into my
Speaker 4: room and she would sit down on the edge of
Speaker 4: my bed and she would kind of just rub my
Speaker 4: back or you know, jostle my hair or something, or
Speaker 4: just like sit there like pat my leg. And I
Speaker 4: was never really asleep. I had terrible sleep problems as
Speaker 4: a child that you have to in an hour or
Speaker 4: two to pass out, So I was usually awake, but
Speaker 4: being like a twelve fifteen year old, I'm acting like
Speaker 4: I'm like I'm passed out. And years later, years down
Speaker 4: the road, I cannot remember the context that came up
Speaker 4: in but I asked my mother around my brother's one
Speaker 4: time that where I just mentioned her coming into my
Speaker 4: room and sitting down and doing that for years. I
Speaker 4: think I was saying something along the lines like, you know,
Speaker 4: I was really sweet if you'd always come in there
Speaker 4: and check on me and you'd stay in there for
Speaker 4: like fifteen forty five minutes, like that was you know, it.
Speaker 1: Was already know where this is going, and I don't
Speaker 1: like it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're probably thinking it correctly.
Speaker 4: She kind of like laughs, like I remember, like come
Speaker 4: like what she was like drinking water, Like water came
Speaker 4: out of her mouth. But she was like chuckling. She's like,
Speaker 4: why in the hell would I go into my grown
Speaker 4: son's room all three of you and there and pat
Speaker 4: you guys for forty five minutes every single night, And
Speaker 4: we all just kind of looked at each other because
Speaker 4: they had experienced that sometimes, but it happened to me
Speaker 4: almost every single night, and she swore up and down,
Speaker 4: She's like, I can tell you without you know, a
Speaker 4: shrapnel of doubt, I never came into your room and
Speaker 4: did that. So for three years in my life, that
Speaker 4: was where it was happening. And the only thing I've
Speaker 4: ever been able to think about is that that is
Speaker 4: the room where my grandma would stay when she had visited,
Speaker 4: and kind of right when it started is when she
Speaker 4: passed away. So I'm pretty sure that she was visiting
Speaker 4: that room for years in the afterlife where she would
Speaker 4: always stay at our house when she came to Ohio,
Speaker 4: and just I guess since I was there in her
Speaker 4: old room just doing that. But my mom was just like,
Speaker 4: you were asleep. You probably were having a dream. I'm
Speaker 4: like the same dream every night for three years. I
Speaker 4: was wide awake, my eyes were open. Sometimes I felt
Speaker 4: the indentation on the bed. Like it's enough for me
Speaker 4: to now, ten years later, sit here and talk to
Speaker 4: you about it wasn't a dream.
Speaker 3: This happens so much. Oh.
Speaker 2: I love how you thought that your mom was being
Speaker 2: all sweet to you and she's like, hmm, now.
Speaker 3: You thought wrong, That's not what I'm doing.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. That is so like, I mean scary.
Speaker 2: I dealt with grandma stuff ghost stuff too as a kid,
Speaker 2: and it's like it's just like a weird thing where
Speaker 2: I'm like, Okay, it's not like scary because it's my grandma,
Speaker 2: but it's like, you know, it's something.
Speaker 3: I still don't want to turn around and see anybody's ghost.
Speaker 3: I don't care who it.
Speaker 1: Is, right exactly.
Speaker 2: So, when you said that your parents kind of like
Speaker 2: denied it or whatever, I mean, did it come out
Speaker 2: that they did have their own experiences?
Speaker 4: Nothing, nothing specific ever came out. It's nothing, nothing ever
Speaker 4: came out from my father. My mother was more so
Speaker 4: just kind of willing to concede, like without saying any
Speaker 4: details of her own, like, you know what, it's possible,
Speaker 4: you know what, that that house was weird. Sometimes I'll
Speaker 4: admit it like this or that, And I never really
Speaker 4: pushed her for it. She's a very a very religious woman,
Speaker 4: doesn't necessarily turn a blind eye to that topic matter,
Speaker 4: but it's not anything she likes to talk about. So
Speaker 4: I wasn't gonna sit there like poking and poking like no,
Speaker 4: tell me, no, tell me. Maybe she will one day,
Speaker 4: but it's sounding like my my brothers and I got
Speaker 4: the worst of it.
Speaker 2: So when did you start investigating?
Speaker 4: I started investigating beginning of my junior year in high school,
Speaker 4: and the Beaver Creek was just starting to get some
Speaker 4: normal town stuff like a Chipotle and a bowling alley
Speaker 4: and stuff like that. But I know, exciting times, but
Speaker 4: it was still a very a very small town, and
Speaker 4: we were all kind of just thinking, you know, what
Speaker 4: can we do that's out there a little different than
Speaker 4: this weekend than what we typically do. And oddly enough,
Speaker 4: we all separately watched ghost adventures or ghost hunters and
Speaker 4: shows like that, and we're like, you know what, let's
Speaker 4: venture somewhere. Let's through some research and find a spot
Speaker 4: that we want to go to. And admittedly, when we
Speaker 4: first did it, well, when we first did it, there
Speaker 4: were twelve of us. Now there's just three. But when
Speaker 4: we first did it, it was more of a novelty.
Speaker 4: It was something cool, something cool to talk about.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: Road trips are always half the fun, and being in
Speaker 4: high school, that was a big deal to us, driving
Speaker 4: like four and a half hours up to Newcastle, Pennsylvania
Speaker 4: to Hillview Manor. And after that night, you know, it
Speaker 4: stopped being a novelty and started being a passion.
Speaker 3: And three out of the twelve of us just kept
Speaker 3: at it.
Speaker 4: And I think at this point one of the three
Speaker 4: mainly helps out with research, but there are two of
Speaker 4: us that really just kind of go all around the
Speaker 4: US doing this stuff.
Speaker 1: Wow, So how much do you do it these days?
Speaker 3: These days?
Speaker 4: I do it for I guess three reasons list of
Speaker 4: in a hierarchy. The most common reason I'm going out
Speaker 4: and doing an investigation is because a friend of mine
Speaker 4: who follows the page. I'm not not a single friend,
Speaker 4: but numerous friends who follow the page. If I'm back
Speaker 4: in Ohio or here in Scottsdale, where I currently live
Speaker 4: and be like, oh, that's such a cool page, you
Speaker 4: should take me out sometime, and I'm never gonna turn
Speaker 4: them down, Like, yeah, by all means, let's go to
Speaker 4: some place. And so I'll usually just go to not
Speaker 4: a random place, but a well known place. So I'm
Speaker 4: back in Ohio, we'll go to the Gillhouse, or we'll
Speaker 4: go to Bobby Mackie that's like forty five minutes down
Speaker 4: the road.
Speaker 1: That place seems freaky, it.
Speaker 4: Is, and oddly enough, being so close to it what
Speaker 4: was considered one of those haunted places in the country.
Speaker 4: I think it took six years in my paranormal career
Speaker 4: to actually realize just how close it was. I knew
Speaker 4: it was in Kentucky, but I didn't know Wilder was
Speaker 4: literally like on the border of Ohio and was like
Speaker 4: forty five minutes away, and I just kind of like
Speaker 4: hit myself in the head, like gosh, I could have
Speaker 4: been going there for years now, but oh well. The
Speaker 4: second reason is because I am scouting a location to
Speaker 4: help a place begin doing paranormal investigations and figuring out
Speaker 4: what that marketing is going to require. And the third reason,
Speaker 4: which is the far more rare reason for going, is
Speaker 4: typically I've found a spot that I've never heard of before.
Speaker 4: I can't find anything about it, but I want to
Speaker 4: go there. I want to investigate it, I want to
Speaker 4: cover it, and I want to shoot.
Speaker 3: A video on it.
Speaker 4: I think the last time I did that was Beach
Speaker 4: Army Hospital, like ten months ago. But I have this
Speaker 4: one spot that I'm actually getting ready to go to.
Speaker 4: I don't want to mess up its name either. I
Speaker 4: have it listed here in my notes amongst a very
Speaker 4: expansive list of places that I'm trying to get to,
Speaker 4: the Johnson County Poor Farm and Asylum in Iowa.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 4: I know a lot of places are called poor farms.
Speaker 4: This place is literally a farm and they have old
Speaker 4: barns littered all across the property that, if you actually
Speaker 4: step foot inside, were refurbished like a century ago to
Speaker 4: be cages, and I guess a makeshift prison for the
Speaker 4: asylum patients that they had coming in there. And this
Speaker 4: place has no online reputability or reputation, but I don't
Speaker 4: even know that it's haunted. But I'm going out there
Speaker 4: after talking with the property owners to check this place out.
Speaker 4: And they had some cool shares, some cool stories to
Speaker 4: share and see if this is a place that people
Speaker 4: should start paying attention to because as far as asylums go,
Speaker 4: I've never seen one like this.
Speaker 1: Have you been to La at all to do any
Speaker 1: ghosty stuff?
Speaker 3: Uh, I've been to San Diego.
Speaker 4: I have a brother who lives in LA, my older brother, Colin,
Speaker 4: But I have not been there just yet. There are
Speaker 4: a number of places I want to go to there,
Speaker 4: but La being you know, it's expansive, but it's condensed
Speaker 4: at the same time, very high population area. A lot
Speaker 4: of the locations there it's hard to get sole access to,
Speaker 4: or a lot of them wouldn't stay open later for
Speaker 4: any degree of an investigation unless you have like a
Speaker 4: you know, the budget of a network show behind you.
Speaker 1: So see, that's the thing with LA.
Speaker 2: It's like so many of these places know about like
Speaker 2: charging people to rent, you know, for filming locations and
Speaker 2: stuff that it's like, we're not going to be fooled,
Speaker 2: Like here, we need money, we need the insurance. Like yeah,
Speaker 2: it's a whole thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's difficult, but I would love to. I'd love
Speaker 4: to come out there and do an investigation.
Speaker 3: I got. I know.
Speaker 4: La is where a big so the Hana Historian followers
Speaker 4: are from and also because I would love to take
Speaker 4: my brother out investigation.
Speaker 3: He is a huge skeptic, which doesn't bother me.
Speaker 4: It just makes me very adamant and wanting to show him,
Speaker 4: you know, kind of a you know, walk a mile
Speaker 4: in my shoes, see the things that I've seen over
Speaker 4: the course of the past, you know, ten twelve years
Speaker 4: of these locations, and you wouldn't have a doubt in
Speaker 4: your mind that I really want to.
Speaker 3: I really want to give him that chance to see
Speaker 3: some of this stuff.
Speaker 1: But he never had any of the like Gray mist at.
Speaker 3: Me did he was.
Speaker 4: He was the first one to have that, And to
Speaker 4: be honest, I couldn't tell you why. He doesn't really
Speaker 4: have any belief in it. He's one of those guys
Speaker 4: that a ghost could walk up right in front of
Speaker 4: him and slap him across the face and then just
Speaker 4: dissipate into the air, and he'd look around and like
Speaker 4: you know, recoop gather himself like ah right, all right,
Speaker 4: a weird wind phenomena, and then just go about his day.
Speaker 2: See that's the thing that's I'm saying, Like there's so
Speaker 2: many places out here that like those kinds of people
Speaker 2: just live in and you'll just never know that they're
Speaker 2: haunted until they move out and someone like me that's
Speaker 2: a loud mouth and wants to like tell the whole
Speaker 2: world about how interesting it is, then they'll know. But
Speaker 2: until then, you know, these these poor ghosts are not
Speaker 2: getting the exposure.
Speaker 4: They're not exactly And that's why I think, I think
Speaker 4: one of the things that bothers me most about some shows.
Speaker 3: There are great teams on TV. They all go in.
Speaker 4: To the owners or the people who have been there
Speaker 4: and are running it or visited and visited it and
Speaker 4: been haunted by it by it in the past, and
Speaker 4: they do it under the auspice saying we're gonna solve this,
Speaker 4: we're gonna figure it out, we're gonna give a voice
Speaker 4: to these ghosts, and we're gonna like take care of
Speaker 4: this haunting and we're gonna bring peace to the living
Speaker 4: at this location. And every single one of them will
Speaker 4: walk on in there, they'll hear an EVP, absolutely lose
Speaker 4: their shit, run into the next room, and then the
Speaker 4: episode ends and it'll just pan out in some aerial
Speaker 4: shot of the location. Like we can say without a
Speaker 4: shadow of a doubt that you know X location is
Speaker 4: haunted onto the next one, and it's like, you guys
Speaker 4: didn't do anything well.
Speaker 2: But then then the next season of the next TV
Speaker 2: show can go in there because the ghosts are still hanging.
Speaker 3: Out exactly exactly.
Speaker 4: And you know, I have some contact with a lot
Speaker 4: of people on these shows. They're all great people, They're
Speaker 4: all good investigators. You know, a lot of it, a
Speaker 4: lot of it is just luck, you know. I I
Speaker 4: talk to some people who will reach out to the
Speaker 4: page wanting to know how to be an investigator. I'll
Speaker 4: tell them you can be an investigator just sitting on
Speaker 4: your couch and watching these shows, like, but they want
Speaker 4: to get out there.
Speaker 3: They're like, we want to be a great investigator like you.
Speaker 4: And I'm like, it is very likely that you could
Speaker 4: be a better investigator than me in like half an hour.
Speaker 4: Like anybody will ask the same questions, everybody will use
Speaker 4: the same equipment, everybody will recount the history at the
Speaker 4: end of the day. You know, it's kind of like poker.
Speaker 4: It's just it's the cards that you're dealt Like something's
Speaker 4: gonna happen that night.
Speaker 3: Something's not to.
Speaker 4: Say anybody's better than anybody is just uh, it's not true.
Speaker 4: Everybody can be an investigator, and there's literally just no
Speaker 4: hierarchy to it.
Speaker 3: Everyone's in the same playing field.
Speaker 2: I just always think about how much time, Like it's
Speaker 2: you can't always find stuff in a day and a
Speaker 2: half for two days, like it's just a matter of
Speaker 2: how the ghosts are feeling that day or whatever exactly.
Speaker 4: And you know, it's it's funny you say that, because
Speaker 4: you know one thing, I would love to give my
Speaker 4: two cents a very opinionated guy. If you haven't, if
Speaker 4: you haven't heard figured.
Speaker 3: That out already, give it to us.
Speaker 4: One of the uh, one of the reasons we look
Speaker 4: for places that haven't been the investigator, haven't been opened
Speaker 4: to the public before, is because I'm a big believer
Speaker 4: in spiritual fatigue. You know, if we're operating under the
Speaker 4: assumption that a location could potentially have an intelligent haunting,
Speaker 4: then you got to kind of think of those people
Speaker 4: as just obviously just human beings in a different realm,
Speaker 4: you know, the same as you or I wouldn't like
Speaker 4: some group of eight people walking into our house or
Speaker 4: walking into wherever we're inhabiting, four or five times a week,
Speaker 4: demanding that we touch this or demanding that we say that,
Speaker 4: or that we bang.
Speaker 3: On a wall.
Speaker 4: After a period of time, you just stop listening, you
Speaker 4: just stop doing it. And that's why we look for
Speaker 4: the place that no one's been because they're ripe. The
Speaker 4: spirits in there are waiting to have the opportunity to communicate,
Speaker 4: so that they've never had that chance before. It leaves
Speaker 4: it less up to you know, the universe and fate
Speaker 4: to see what happens tonight, and more so up to
Speaker 4: the investigator to seek out a place where they can
Speaker 4: actually have an impact.
Speaker 2: See now, I have a little bit of a theory
Speaker 2: about here in Hollywood that there are so many actively
Speaker 2: haunted places because the ghosts are the kind of people
Speaker 2: that are like time to perform, like they like love,
Speaker 2: They love the love, the attention. I mean, I know
Speaker 2: a lot of people in my life that are living
Speaker 2: that when it's their time to be a ghost there,
Speaker 2: it's going to be hard to shut them up there.
Speaker 2: Myself included, it's like, okay, let's the more the merrier,
Speaker 2: come on in, I'm going to perform for you. But yeah,
Speaker 2: a lot of ghosts aren't that way.
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I mean, I I too often think if
Speaker 4: I'm ever gonna get the chance to be a ghost,
Speaker 4: and if I will be haunting people. But I I
Speaker 4: one agree with them with that theory. I think that's
Speaker 4: less of a theory. We can always claim that is
Speaker 4: more of a fact. I mean, that's it's Hollywood stuff.
Speaker 4: It's the big, big big city there. I mean, it's
Speaker 4: absolutely that's got to be a reason whenever you whenever
Speaker 4: you do hear about a haunted location, I feel like
Speaker 4: they're usually noteworthy for their ghosts, their resident ghost being
Speaker 4: kind of famous figures.
Speaker 2: Oh totally, or people that we're trying to be famous,
Speaker 2: you know, unfinished business or that whole.
Speaker 3: Idea lily, just like the that Hollywood signed girl.
Speaker 1: Peg and thwhistle.
Speaker 3: That's right, that's right.
Speaker 2: Speaking of EVPs a moment ago, you want to hear
Speaker 2: some ghost voices.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm.
Speaker 1: Okay, it's time for EVP or e ev please. Okay.
Speaker 2: So what I do is I go to YouTube. I
Speaker 2: find some EVPs. All kinds of people post these things,
Speaker 2: and you know, I think they're usually pretty legit. But
Speaker 2: sometimes it's hard to say, and I will say, especially over.
Speaker 1: Zoom, it's tough, but I'll play it.
Speaker 2: Give me a guest tell me what you think you hear,
Speaker 2: and then I'll give you some options of either you know,
Speaker 2: well it's what what the investigator things it says, but
Speaker 2: you just tell me whatever whatever you think you hear
Speaker 2: or whatever.
Speaker 1: Okay, here we go.
Speaker 2: This first one is it was posted by mo Quinn
Speaker 2: Junior on YouTube and it is at the Sika Hollow
Speaker 2: State Park in northeast South Dakota.
Speaker 1: What does this go? Saying? It's a pretty quick one.
Speaker 1: I played.
Speaker 4: I had like three three things come of my mind.
Speaker 4: I heard a child. I heard it's saying sh or like.
Speaker 1: Shut Okay, wait, let me put it again.
Speaker 3: I feel like I keep one of these here a
Speaker 3: child there, like a very muffled like a child.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay, I hear that.
Speaker 2: Okay, here's some options. One of these is what mo
Speaker 2: Quinn Junior thinks. Is it a.
Speaker 1: Shut up B I'm shawna C.
Speaker 2: I should have or d Brewce shutta.
Speaker 1: Play it again?
Speaker 3: Oh God, I hope it was d.
Speaker 1: What do you think.
Speaker 4: I Of all those, I would say shut up? And
Speaker 4: just because my the last one I thought I was saying,
Speaker 4: I heard shut.
Speaker 1: And that's what Yes, exactly, yeah it shut up. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Here I'll play it again. Okay, not too bad?
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 2: Here's another one. This one is from Todd Sheldon on YouTube,
Speaker 2: and it is at I believe it said Todd's home.
Speaker 2: It's in Kenbrook, Maine. And you tell me what you hear?
Speaker 3: Oh, that is a robotic right there.
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm assuming that there was some editing going on here.
Speaker 2: We'll try it again. A little damn punky.
Speaker 1: What'd you say?
Speaker 3: I hear it one more time?
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh gosh, I gotta tell you I don't. I
Speaker 4: don't have the foggiest I can barely make out any
Speaker 4: kind of tone in that.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll give you some options. Is it a hey girl?
Speaker 2: How you doing? B? Hay turkey? C does not compute
Speaker 2: or d lazy susan. Okay, here we go one more time.
Speaker 4: I heard hey, I heard it. I hate to say it.
Speaker 4: I heard hey.
Speaker 1: Girl, Hey girl? How you do it? Hey girl? How
Speaker 1: you do it?
Speaker 3: I've never heard an EVP that.
Speaker 2: Edited hey, But that's what I'm saying. Maybe it's like,
Speaker 2: maybe it's a robot ghost. They believe it says hey,
Speaker 2: turkey like as in like I think.
Speaker 1: They even wrote like they got called a turkey?
Speaker 3: Here?
Speaker 1: Am I putting again.
Speaker 2: Hey Turkey, Oh my god, God, I love YouTube. Okay,
Speaker 2: let's do one more thing here. I'm just gonna rattle
Speaker 2: off like a bunch of paranormally things, unexplained phenomenas. And
Speaker 2: I mean, since you're like a paranormal professional, I'm sure
Speaker 2: you'll have so much to say. But just you know,
Speaker 2: give me a thought or an anecdote or a theory
Speaker 2: or something that comes to mind. Okay, all right, what
Speaker 2: about demonic possession?
Speaker 3: That is a tricky one for me.
Speaker 4: I think demons are far less present than a lot
Speaker 4: of popular paranormal media makes them out to be.
Speaker 3: I think most darkness, most.
Speaker 4: Neer, duel spirits and occurrences people have are bad spirits,
Speaker 4: not demons, mainly because a demon wants to not be
Speaker 4: known as a demon. They need to operate under a
Speaker 4: secrecy and work to you know, according to the Bible
Speaker 4: and all that stuff.
Speaker 3: Take your soul.
Speaker 4: And whenever a person on TV or a YouTube show
Speaker 4: anything like that encounters what they dub a demon, they'll
Speaker 4: usually ask like, what are you and they'll be like
Speaker 4: Satan or a demon and it's like, guys, a second,
Speaker 4: they say that, you know, it's not a demon like
Speaker 4: that that should be.
Speaker 2: It's just like some cosplayer goes to, like somebody that
Speaker 2: likes to do live action role plays or something exactly.
Speaker 3: I have only had one experience with one.
Speaker 4: I helped out with the Catholic Diocese in Columbus with
Speaker 4: an exorcism a couple of years back, and that was
Speaker 4: probably the most horrifying night of my life. I never
Speaker 4: want to do anything like that again, but it definitely
Speaker 4: reaffirmed in my head that you know, there's there's good
Speaker 4: and there is evil, and that that was evil.
Speaker 2: Connor, Okay, I have to wrap this up and I
Speaker 2: have to hear this. Can you please tell me about this.
Speaker 2: You can't just throw out that you went to an exorcism.
Speaker 1: What happened?
Speaker 4: Well, this family had been getting terrorized for years. I
Speaker 4: had a cohort that I worked with out there in
Speaker 4: the Columbus area who reached out to me that he'd
Speaker 4: investigated this place a number of times. Couldn't figure anything
Speaker 4: out that was going there beyond all the occurrences that
Speaker 4: were taking place. For the next six months, I had
Speaker 4: a correspondence with the husband and wife who lived there.
Speaker 4: They had three children, three relatively young children. Inside of
Speaker 4: the house and we were trying to work out theories.
Speaker 4: I was trying to connect them with the right people
Speaker 4: to get this taken care of. It took a turn
Speaker 4: one week when the wife. Other people will remain nameless,
Speaker 4: of course, but it took a turn one week when
Speaker 4: I get a text from the father. The entire family
Speaker 4: is in the hospital, and I asked, oh, my goodness,
Speaker 4: there anything all right. I kind of figured, you know,
Speaker 4: why you're reaching out to me about this. He says
Speaker 4: that they had woken up and their youngest daughter, who's
Speaker 4: about five years old, was just standing at the edge
Speaker 4: of their bed. Soamora from the rings, the kind of
Speaker 4: style hair hanging over her face trance and she wouldn't move,
Speaker 4: and she was kind of growling, and she wouldn't do anything.
Speaker 4: They threw holy water at her and she kind of
Speaker 4: lifts her head up and it is fine, almost just.
Speaker 3: In a daze.
Speaker 4: But when that was all said and done, the wife
Speaker 4: had bruises and scratch marks and all these abrasions all
Speaker 4: across her body. And you know, I don't put a
Speaker 4: lot of stock in people who tell me outlander stories
Speaker 4: like that. They sent me all the pictures inside of
Speaker 4: the hot spital room. They sent me all of the
Speaker 4: hospital reports day video. They were facetiing me and showing
Speaker 4: everything that was on her body. It was the most
Speaker 4: horrific thing I've ever seen. I immediately contacted a clairvoyant
Speaker 4: I worked with in Texas, my team in Ohio, my
Speaker 4: team in Arizona. We all converged this house in Columbus
Speaker 4: with the archdiocese out there, and went about performing what, well,
Speaker 4: I guess is just a run of the mill exorcism
Speaker 4: that you run of the mill. It's it's just every
Speaker 4: other Friday. But it evoked activity that I didn't think existed.
Speaker 4: Things happened that and I know you're trying to wrap
Speaker 4: it up, so I want to hear it. Okay, I
Speaker 4: was gonna say I didn't want to like eat into that. Well,
Speaker 4: I'll give you three occurrences. First occurrence, we're all in
Speaker 4: the basement. We have the clairvoyant with us. The wife
Speaker 4: and the children have left. It's just the rest of us.
Speaker 4: The husband has stayed to help guide us through. When
Speaker 4: we walk into the basement, the clairvoyant looks to one
Speaker 4: portion of it and so it.
Speaker 3: Starts shaking her head and just start like murmuring to herself.
Speaker 4: Like nah, nah, that that shouldn't be there, that's not
Speaker 4: supposed to be there, and we're all just looking at her,
Speaker 4: kind of like staring at each other.
Speaker 3: What is she talking about?
Speaker 4: And she turns back around and says the exact same
Speaker 4: thing to the husband, like not even directing it, just
Speaker 4: saying it at him, just that that shouldn't be there.
Speaker 4: Why is this here? Why is this happening? And he's
Speaker 4: very confused. He's looking at us like should be responding
Speaker 4: to this, And so I finally ask her, I'm just like,
Speaker 4: what are you talking about? What shouldn't be here? Like
Speaker 4: what are you seeing or what are you trying to
Speaker 4: direct us towards right now? And she says, this entire
Speaker 4: portion of the basement that's not supposed to be there,
Speaker 4: And the homeowner looks at her and he's like, you know,
Speaker 4: oddly enough, this was a mess up in the blueprints
Speaker 4: when we initially had the home built. They kind of
Speaker 4: messed up in like the width on their parcel of land,
Speaker 4: and it started going one way when they're supposed to
Speaker 4: be going another, and so they just ended up on
Speaker 4: an extra large basement with this entire like twenty by
Speaker 4: twenty portion that originally wasn't supposed to be.
Speaker 3: There, and she's shaking her head for like.
Speaker 4: A minute, and finally it just like looks back over
Speaker 4: into this dark that dark area basement, just like it
Speaker 4: shouldn't be there. That's where she was, and we're just
Speaker 4: like looking at it, like who's she and she just
Speaker 4: like something out of the contry just turns around and
Speaker 4: looks at me and just like that's where she.
Speaker 3: Was buried, and we're just like what, who is buried there?
Speaker 4: And I roz, I go out of my way to
Speaker 4: ensure that I can disprove everything in the world. I
Speaker 4: personally believe in like fifteen percent of the occurrences that
Speaker 4: I've seen, as I work so hard to disprove them.
Speaker 4: And I say that because once she said that again,
Speaker 4: the table in the middle of the room flipped over.
Speaker 4: I mean we caught it on video, the lipping room
Speaker 4: table flipping over, and she starts like screaming the clairvoyant
Speaker 4: and she's like.
Speaker 3: You can't do this, you don't belong here.
Speaker 4: And you hear footsteps running up the uncovered wooden stairs
Speaker 4: at the basement, heading back up into.
Speaker 3: The foyer and she's chasing it. We're the rest of
Speaker 3: us are just standing there watching her chase this thing,
Speaker 3: and we don't know what's going on. And we sprint
Speaker 3: up there and we're trying to follow her. The priests
Speaker 3: are there and they're just.
Speaker 4: Kind of just like because this was the tour, we
Speaker 4: hadn't really started anything yet, and we get up there
Speaker 4: into the main room and she's like spinning like she's
Speaker 4: like looking all around her. The clairvoyant is in the
Speaker 4: middle of the of the living room, as though something's
Speaker 4: like enveloping her or wrapping around her, and then she
Speaker 4: just stops, like she stops so fast you would have
Speaker 4: thought someone like wrapped their arms around her and just
Speaker 4: stopped her. And she turns around and she looks at
Speaker 4: the homeowner, at the husband there, and she just starts
Speaker 4: nodding her head and she's like, everybody get away from him,
Speaker 4: and we get away from him, and she kind of
Speaker 4: gets this weird smile, which we kind of thought looked maniacal,
Speaker 4: but we've kind of figured out later because she finally
Speaker 4: found it. And she looks at him and she's like,
Speaker 4: I need you not to move, and he's like everything okay,
Speaker 4: and she's like, you're fine, she's just right behind you.
Speaker 4: And so the second she says that, I just kind
Speaker 4: of like lose it. I'm like, just start reading this scripture.
Speaker 4: And so the priest break open the Bible and they
Speaker 4: start reading this like highlighted verse they had. They read
Speaker 4: it one time, and you hear it sounds like a
Speaker 4: male and a female talking in the kitchen. And I
Speaker 4: keep saying, after every time they read it, do it again,
Speaker 4: do it again, do it again. And every time they
Speaker 4: do it again, something new happens. The first time we
Speaker 4: hear the voices in the kitchen. The second time, the
Speaker 4: investigator we had sitting at the base of the stairs
Speaker 4: going to the upper floor kind of like it's almost
Speaker 4: like pushed forward into the staircase leading up to the
Speaker 4: kid's playroom. And he's like, what the hell was that?
Speaker 4: Who pushed me?
Speaker 3: And you hear the footsteps as he falls over going
Speaker 3: up the stairs. I say, read it again.
Speaker 4: You see this white, weird, eerie mist walk across the
Speaker 4: bedroom the door of the playroom and go in there.
Speaker 4: I say, read it again. And you hear the toys
Speaker 4: and the chairs that they're just like flamoring, as though
Speaker 4: something's tossing everything, destroying the room, and we say, hear
Speaker 4: it again, and you just sound hear it sounds like
Speaker 4: somebody slamming with their full weight against the wall. And
Speaker 4: we rush up there because we just rush up there.
Speaker 4: We didn't know what to think. We were just completely
Speaker 4: overcome what we had just experienced. And we get up
Speaker 4: there and we stop and she kind of starts sweating,
Speaker 4: the clairvoyant does, and she's like, well, we have it
Speaker 4: for now, and like, we have what for now? And
Speaker 4: she points back to a tent. She hasn't been in
Speaker 4: this room yet, she hasn't seen anything in this room yet,
Speaker 4: but she points behind this pink princess tent the kids
Speaker 4: had and said, that's where it stays. And I'm like,
Speaker 4: inside of that tent and she's like, no, behind the tent,
Speaker 4: and we go over there and we move the tent,
Speaker 4: and again she has no idea what's in there. When
Speaker 4: we move it. There is this weird, old, boarded up
Speaker 4: crawl space just going above the parents' bedroom that none
Speaker 4: of them had ever been inside of, that they didn't
Speaker 4: really mess around with since they bought the home. But
Speaker 4: she says, that's where it's staying right now. And the
Speaker 4: second she says that the homeowner is just like that
Speaker 4: makes sense, Like the other two seconds we've had here
Speaker 4: is said, it's up here, and we couldn't do anything
Speaker 4: else for the night. We had to get a person
Speaker 4: who specializes in portals up from Florida there later on
Speaker 4: in the year, but I thought it was gonna be
Speaker 4: the first time I got in my car to leave
Speaker 4: that we actually proved something to the homeowners that whatever
Speaker 4: is there, whatever darkness is there, whatever's attacking them and
Speaker 4: possessing their daughter and hurting.
Speaker 3: The wife, it has a weakness.
Speaker 4: You know, you can read scripture, you can show strength,
Speaker 4: you can show you know you're going to stand your
Speaker 4: ground and you can face this thing. And I called
Speaker 4: my investigator saying that after we were done, like we
Speaker 4: should be proud of what we just did. But the
Speaker 4: second I say that into the phone, we're all getting
Speaker 4: on the highway leaving that house.
Speaker 3: That night. Alex, THEEAH guy I work with that of Ohio,
Speaker 3: is like, Connor.
Speaker 4: We didn't do anything, Like what do you mean? He's like,
Speaker 4: I just got off the phone with the homeowner. I'm like,
Speaker 4: is he okay? Are they scared? They're leaving again? Once
Speaker 4: the girls and the wife came back, I think it
Speaker 4: took ten minutes for us to be gone. They put
Speaker 4: the kids to bed, and they went into their red
Speaker 4: bedroom to get ready for the night. They stood inside
Speaker 4: of their restroom that has an adjacent door leading into
Speaker 4: their walk in closet, and as they're standing there, they
Speaker 4: just hear clear's day something standing in the doorway of
Speaker 4: the closet and it's whistling Daisy Daisy to them.
Speaker 3: Like just like d.
Speaker 4: And the wife barricades herself in the shower, and the
Speaker 4: husband is kind of just like backing up. He says
Speaker 4: that he's like throwing random stuff from the counter into
Speaker 4: the closet. And a second he does that, you hear
Speaker 4: like three thundering footsteps walk out of the closet and
Speaker 4: just stand in the middle of the restroom. And they
Speaker 4: could just feel it looking at them. It didn't want them.
Speaker 4: It wanted something else. And that's what he said. Y's
Speaker 4: what he said to the wife. He said, it doesn't
Speaker 4: want us, it wants something else. It's like, you don't scarce.
Speaker 4: And the second he did that, they just hear it again.
Speaker 4: The same thundering footsteps leave the room and sprint upstairs
Speaker 4: towards the kid's bedroom, and that was the last I
Speaker 4: heard of it.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's very rare on this podcast. Well,
Speaker 2: it's happened a few times where I'm like, I don't
Speaker 2: know if I could take it anymore. This is too scary.
Speaker 2: This is so scary. This sounds like something from a movie.
Speaker 3: It felt like a movie. That's that is a small
Speaker 3: taste of it. There.
Speaker 4: I've I've talked fully about it before, but it could
Speaker 4: be like a full two hour ordeal the linings start
Speaker 4: to finish. It was a horrifying evening. I didn't necessarily
Speaker 4: not believe in demons or anything like that, but I
Speaker 4: after traveling so much not encountering any and really being
Speaker 4: able to chalk most of it up to human entities,
Speaker 4: I didn't have too much stock in it, but that
Speaker 4: night really changed things.
Speaker 2: I want to talk about it more. Can you please
Speaker 2: come back one of these times?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd be more than welcome to come back and
Speaker 4: just talk about the exorcism.
Speaker 1: Please do.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I have to wrap it up here, but
Speaker 2: thank you so much for going on. And can you
Speaker 2: tell people once again you know about your Instagram and
Speaker 2: where to find you and all that stuff.
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 4: It is at Haunted dot Historian on Instagram and at
Speaker 4: the Connor gossel on Facebook. Facebook was made at the
Speaker 4: beginning of this year, so the following is not quite
Speaker 4: as large, but it's definitely grown fast.
Speaker 3: But those the outlets you can find us on.
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Speaker 4: insight from people that you know might know better than
Speaker 4: us about a lot of these places.
Speaker 2: And you're an amazing storyteller. I'm also gonna throw that
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