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Speaker 1: Hey, that folks. It is Saturday, March fourteenth, and an

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Speaker 1: explosive new report just out says that actor Timothy Bustsville,

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Speaker 1: already facing charges for child sex abuse, is now facing

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Speaker 1: allegations from a number of women that he also sexually

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Speaker 1: abused them. With that welcome to this episode of Amy

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Speaker 1: and TJ. Robes. First reaction to this one was just WHOA.

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Speaker 2: It was shocking and to read the excerpts from what

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Speaker 2: these women all told police and this they all came

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Speaker 2: forward after the allegations from these twin boys and their parents.

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Speaker 1: That timing. We always say this about when women aren't believed,

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Speaker 1: the timing, who do they tell in all these think robes.

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Speaker 1: He was arrested, what was January fourth? It was early

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Speaker 1: January these interview These women were talking to police within

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Speaker 1: weeks they called after seeing his arrest.

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Speaker 2: I have chills hearing that, because in some of these cases,

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Speaker 2: these women did go to police at the time and

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Speaker 2: we're told, yeah, he's just going to get a slap

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Speaker 2: on the wrist. This really isn't worth your time or hours.

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Speaker 2: So these were women who actually some of them were

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Speaker 2: if they waited or they actually tried to civilly go

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Speaker 2: after him for money. Some of them did receive payment

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Speaker 2: after There were a couple, but a lot of these

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Speaker 2: it's just I think what's so shocking and stunning about

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Speaker 2: them is that they all sound exactly the same. There

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Speaker 2: was a pattern that they are describing that is chilling

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Speaker 2: because it lends credibility to their stories.

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Speaker 3: They weren't talking to one another. Yeah, stories are so simlat.

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Speaker 1: You said she went to police, Yes, that was one,

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Speaker 1: but robes they said, yeah, I just go ahead, this

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Speaker 1: them also went to her own dad, who also and

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Speaker 1: that family is now thinking, did we not do enough

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Speaker 2: Yes, they describe him crying, begging for them not to

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Speaker 3: And now this young woman who.

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Speaker 2: also worried about and wondering whether if they had pursued charges, then,

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Speaker 2: if they had gone forward, could they have prevented other

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Speaker 2: in the same position, and.

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Speaker 1: Rose I put at the top here one of the women,

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Speaker 1: this just kind of sums up and this is a

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Speaker 1: heartbreaking quote. But she said, and I quote, I thought,

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Speaker 1: these are not isolated cases, and your time talking about herself,

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Speaker 1: Your time is not the one and only time it's

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Speaker 1: ever happened. This time it was a kid. This is

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Speaker 1: what they're looking at. We've seen things like this in

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Speaker 1: the past ropes where people will come forward and go,

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Speaker 1: wait a minute, it wasn't just me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And then there's guilt associated with that because you

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Speaker 2: think if I had spoken up, if I had pushed

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Speaker 2: there is that feeling about these interviews. They're speaking about that,

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Speaker 1: So let's go with this at the top, and to

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Speaker 1: innocent man until proven otherwise, he has denied every bit

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Speaker 1: out late last night Robes that at least four women

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Speaker 1: Today and Robes, this comes from the women. Didn't come

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Speaker 1: What what USA Today did was made an official request

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Speaker 1: These women are on video telling their stories.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and so they watched all four interviews with these

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Speaker 3: And the dates. I mean to me, it stood out

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Speaker 2: Yes, like within days of these allegations from these twin boys.

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Speaker 2: It prompted them to say, oh my god, that was

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Speaker 2: They were like, we have to come forward and tell

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Speaker 2: Certainly, we watched all the proceedings, we heard all the

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Speaker 2: the entire case and the allegations against Busfield in serious questions.

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Speaker 1: They went really after those parents as shyster that this

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Speaker 1: is what they do, they shake down celebrities.

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Speaker 3: Effective, very effective.

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Speaker 2: Because you and I were both you know, thinking, wow,

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Speaker 2: you can see the motive behind these parents, a financial

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Speaker 2: It the House Cleaner?

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Speaker 3: Is that? What was it?

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Speaker 1: Uh? The Cleaner?

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Speaker 2: That was a series that went on for four seasons,

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Speaker 2: So you were thinking, wow, you know what, I was

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Speaker 2: very skeptical, but now that motivated these women to go

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Speaker 3: I mean, because the allegations go way.

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Speaker 1: He was arrested, I'm looking at the details here on

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Speaker 1: the thirteenth, two days later. Interviews were being done. As

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Speaker 1: early as two days later. Someone had reached out to

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Speaker 1: And again he has at a court date, did he

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Speaker 1: it was a plea? Did he officially interaplead yet or I.

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Speaker 3: Believe it was not. You know what. We saw his

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Speaker 2: And the and the DA in this case said, Timothy

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Speaker 2: Bussfield is h he grooms people.

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Speaker 3: He's a dangerous man.

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Speaker 2: He's a threat to any child who's around him or

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Speaker 2: And he had a ground swell of support from fellow actors, directors.

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Speaker 2: the judge agreed and let Timothy Bussfield out of prison

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Speaker 1: Which is not scheduled till next year, well into next year, actually,

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Speaker 1: But I don't know what this happened. There is a

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Speaker 1: statute of limitations always on many of these things, but

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Speaker 1: they decided they wanted to come forward. All these allegations

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Speaker 2: And look, initially we had heard at least and the

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Speaker 2: DA the prosecutor brought up, yeah, one of these allegations.

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Speaker 2: It was the one where the father came forward but said, look,

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Speaker 2: we decided I'm a therapist, he agreed to go to therapy.

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Speaker 2: I made the decision not to press charges and to

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Speaker 3: So we already knew about that particular alleged incident.

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Speaker 2: But it made sense when his lawyers were arguing, look,

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Speaker 2: this is nothing to do with someone who's accused of

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Speaker 2: criminally sexually abusing miners who are seven eight nine. Is

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Speaker 2: that's a completely different situation and shouldn't be considered when

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Speaker 3: And that made sense to.

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Speaker 1: Me, and it maybe made sense to the judge at

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Speaker 1: the time. What this means for that case, What this

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Speaker 1: means for Timothy Bussfield moving forward, We don't know. A reminder,

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Speaker 1: Timothy Bussfield, Yes he is an Emmy Award winning actor.

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Speaker 1: He was on the West Wing for many years. He

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Speaker 1: won thirty four to thirty something that a lot of

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Speaker 1: people know. But he has been working continues to work

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Speaker 2: Yes, Melissa Gilbert half pint Laura Ingalls Wilder. She played

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Speaker 3: And you know she has she has, She's television. She's

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Speaker 2: She's an actress that people will go back and think

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Speaker 3: So, yeah, she is a beloved iconic actress.

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Speaker 1: So she certainly her being a part of this story.

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Speaker 1: Him being married to her certainly adds to a lot

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Speaker 1: of intrigue in their story. So some of these claims

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Speaker 1: include again, a lot of them sound familiar. Excuse me similar,

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Speaker 1: I should say that they say sound similar in which

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Speaker 1: groped them had his hands all over them. In some cases,

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Speaker 1: these girls were teenagers. A couple of women reported, again

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Speaker 1: they don't know each other, but they reported similar things

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Speaker 1: those are the allegations. Let's go through some specifically here.

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Speaker 1: Let's start robes with the one we were talking about

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Speaker 1: a young lady who was six teen years old. We

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Speaker 1: She was one of them. According to the complaint, she

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Speaker 1: They did not go to police. But now the quotes

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Speaker 2: Yes, this is what this six then sixteen year old

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Speaker 2: intern told police. He, meaning Timothy Bussfield, grabbed me in

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Speaker 3: I pushed him off of me.

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Speaker 1: Now several we hear several stories along in this USA

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Speaker 2: Yes, this is a very similar scene. This exact incident

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Speaker 2: that's why I thought it was my fault, because the

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Speaker 2: boys were like, we don't get to work with Tim anymore.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting to hear folks were mad at her for

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Speaker 2: That's right, she told detectives. It happened so fast. He

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Speaker 1: She had to keep working with him. Rogues, What we

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Speaker 2: Wake of these new allegations that USA Today is reporting,

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Speaker 1: That part I get this stuff. Is it not relevant

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Speaker 3: We always appreciate you. I mean me Robock alongside TJ. Holmes.

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