Speaker 1: Jay, you know what it is. We're back with another
Speaker 1: episode A Gangster chronicles your boy eight and I'm with
Speaker 1: the homie Big Steal in the house was cracking, y'all.
Speaker 1: And today we have a special guest. I don't want
Speaker 1: to call him a special guest. The motherfucker is probably
Speaker 1: one of the best rappers in the fucking world. Dog
Speaker 1: just a lyrical motherfucker, the one and only King Crooked.
Speaker 1: Ye know what, I'm here, lady Man. Finally, Dog, Lady,
Speaker 1: I don't think you know Eight. I've been hitting the
Speaker 1: homie up on motherfucking Twitter everywhere, Dog trying to get this.
Speaker 1: He's been just nagging a nigga, just this exclusive. And
Speaker 1: if you I guess he said, he finally said, fuck it,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go and see this square here nigga, Na
Speaker 1: you know that you soon as you called, I was
Speaker 1: with it. No, yeah, no, he was here. Man, No problems.
Speaker 1: I'll be here. Man. We ain't got no, we ain't
Speaker 1: got no bad We got no bad reputation or issues
Speaker 1: with my boy Crook and everything is all is all gravy.
Speaker 1: So glad to have you're on the show, man, Man,
Speaker 1: Glad to be here. Thanks to invite me to the party. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm on the gainst the Chronicles. We're gonna talk about
Speaker 1: some gangster shit. Oh no, man, you know what, Man,
Speaker 1: Actually the Gangster Chronicles is expanding a little bit beyond
Speaker 1: just the normal gangster ship. Dog. We touched on some
Speaker 1: everything dogs. You know what I'm saying. We got to
Speaker 1: show people that, you know, even though we come from
Speaker 1: the streets, you know, people be questioning our intelligence, you know,
Speaker 1: like we don't have the brains or we don't have
Speaker 1: the knowings to have decent conversations or in depth stuff
Speaker 1: to talk about that we ain't up on current events
Speaker 1: or just the culture of things. You know, people look
Speaker 1: at us and just a neighborhood gang and rapping and
Speaker 1: gun toting and that's it. You know, vocabulary is kind
Speaker 1: of small. So we like to show people that our
Speaker 1: brains can venture more than just talking about what we
Speaker 1: did growing up in the streets. You know what I'm
Speaker 1: saying that our cognitive abilities are not subpart but on
Speaker 1: the whole another level. You know what I'm saying, Hey,
Speaker 1: if they must ain't listen to them albums, you know
Speaker 1: they should have knew how sharp it was was going down. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it show because it show ain't easy, man, And this
Speaker 1: is what I want to do. I want to go
Speaker 1: back to the beginning a little bit Man, east Side
Speaker 1: Alone Beach, California to the east Side Jill l right,
Speaker 1: p Nate Dog the Greatest. Oh yeah for sure. Ain't
Speaker 1: nobody even closer? Man, Auto two can't even fade him. Man,
Speaker 1: they were special when they get on your record, Dog,
Speaker 1: you was liably go from sitling possibly one hundred thousand
Speaker 1: units of possibly going platinum. Dog. I was so mad
Speaker 1: when they when they kicked me off of Virsion Records.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, because I had my first
Speaker 1: single was Nate Me and Nate battle Kat produced it.
Speaker 1: It was called this is for the Crooking Me, This
Speaker 1: is for the Krug that's seen me. Babe. Yeah, God,
Speaker 1: I was gate. I was only like eighteen nineteen. I
Speaker 1: was ready to come back. Yeah, fire man. They came
Speaker 1: in with a brown bag and said, everybody darker than
Speaker 1: this bad get out to build it. Janet Jackson, Yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure, I remember that time when it happened. You know,
Speaker 1: it's crazy the Dog. I don't think people understand this. Dog.
Speaker 1: Nate really made a difference on your record. He impacted
Speaker 1: your sales absolutely. Nate got on that motherfucking yes, it
Speaker 1: was over. It was radio all day radio. I remember
Speaker 1: one year we added the Powerhouse. I was up there
Speaker 1: with high seeing quick okay, and Nate came off to
Speaker 1: that motherfucker dog and did a met lead of hooks
Speaker 1: and when I tell you, he turned the whole motherfucking
Speaker 1: show out. Just hooks, just with hooks, My nigga, was
Speaker 1: the craziest thing. He was up there for about twenty
Speaker 1: minutes dog doing nothing but back to back hooks. Wow,
Speaker 1: nothing but back to back hooks, and everybody was going
Speaker 1: crazy and could Nobody whoever came on after him was
Speaker 1: kind of like you was kind of whatever. They just
Speaker 1: shut this most sit down with the hook master definitely.
Speaker 1: You know you being from Long Beach, Version was your
Speaker 1: first label. That was the first label that she was on, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean you know the first major The first label
Speaker 1: I was on was Muscle Record and that was an
Speaker 1: independent label owned by Chuckie Miller and Russell. Yeah. They
Speaker 1: both went to the NFL man and they came back
Speaker 1: and opened up a label on the East Side, and
Speaker 1: that was the first label that I was on. I
Speaker 1: gotta give it to them because they gave me my
Speaker 1: first shot. You know what I'm saying. Oh yeah, for sure,
Speaker 1: you definitely have to go back man to the people
Speaker 1: that believed in you first and get them they props
Speaker 1: and the Russell was the ship. Yeah, I played against
Speaker 1: eight ball, Me and this niggative yall can't see on
Speaker 1: camera my homeboys sitting across the room. We played against
Speaker 1: eight ball and I hit him in the backfield. One
Speaker 1: played Dog and I thought my shoulder is separated. He
Speaker 1: would feel like a tank coming through their up. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he laid power on swimming over the offensive linement. Dog
Speaker 1: thoughts don't making hill of a play. I tackled him, Dog,
Speaker 1: but my shoulder wasn't right to this day, Dog, after
Speaker 1: I hit that big eight ball and no joke, man,
Speaker 1: you know, the city turned out a lot of great
Speaker 1: football players. Man, Polly High is really Oh definitely, it's
Speaker 1: definitely to leave one of them spots, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Lone beast. Probably before Bosco took over. Bosco
Speaker 1: kind of with Bosco did Dog all the kids. Because
Speaker 1: my son wanted to go to Polly and he was
Speaker 1: a five star crew um. He wanted to go to
Speaker 1: Long Beach. Probably Ill said hell, no, why for you? Man?
Speaker 1: You know what, Dog, I worked hard to get. I
Speaker 1: ain't gonna even say nothing about that one. No, But
Speaker 1: you know what, maybe he didn't want him to follow
Speaker 1: in his footsteps, is that I don't want muse. I remember,
Speaker 1: I remember the ship I was down. Yeah, I remember, shit,
Speaker 1: I was doing a long Beast California. When I first
Speaker 1: touched down to California, when I was like his age
Speaker 1: and very impressionable. I ain't gonna lie, dog, the streets
Speaker 1: was fun as a motherfucker. Right, it was fun. It
Speaker 1: was exciting and ticon un to them popos, and one
Speaker 1: start coming, nigga started shooting at you. That's when that
Speaker 1: ship get a little different. Oh yeah, to get a
Speaker 1: little different than Yeah. You know, so when you signed
Speaker 1: this deal with Chucky and eight Ball, how were you
Speaker 1: at the time, seventeen waiting to turn eighteen, seventeen years old. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so that's your first that was your first time
Speaker 1: with the actual studio and everything like that. So well,
Speaker 1: it wasn't my first time in actual studio. Man. I
Speaker 1: was one of my moms used to sing, right, my
Speaker 1: mother from Oklahoma. You know what I'm saying. And her
Speaker 1: and her twin sister, my aunt Charline rest in pH
Speaker 1: They had a group man and they used to do
Speaker 1: backup singing for the gap bands, do you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And they came out here to chase their
Speaker 1: dream down, you know what I mean. And then my
Speaker 1: mom ended up having kids. My mom met my pops
Speaker 1: um in Long Beach. He was he was stationed there.
Speaker 1: He was in the Navy, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So she always I wanted to wrap since I was eight,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So she put me in
Speaker 1: the studio when I was eight years old. That was
Speaker 1: the first time I won the studio. I did a
Speaker 1: song called the Controller. What I'm saying, microphone controller, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So you eight years old talking
Speaker 1: about you the microphone control I spelled the beat is
Speaker 1: a hammer, the rhythms and nail. You know. I was
Speaker 1: sitting there like that with eight years old, you know.
Speaker 1: So shout out to my mother for always believing in
Speaker 1: me and trying to push me. We didn't have much,
Speaker 1: but she just she did the best she could. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. My mom's you know, bless my mom's.
Speaker 1: They they wasn't for it. They was not for the
Speaker 1: rap shit in the beginning. You know, it was in
Speaker 1: the streets hard. So that was like another motherfucking level
Speaker 1: of being in the streets to them. You get me
Speaker 1: my mom's and them from Gulfport, Mississippi. So when they
Speaker 1: heard the nigga around there playing that ship and then
Speaker 1: they was like, you know because my wraps, I wasn't
Speaker 1: a controller. You know, we was talking about five old
Speaker 1: came through last night, So so went to jail, So
Speaker 1: and so came through so and so blasted all right.
Speaker 1: So when she was here and that, she was like, oh,
Speaker 1: hell no, yeah, nigga, you get to go do something.
Speaker 1: You ain't feel that it was it was. It was,
Speaker 1: you know, had to sneak out and do type of shit.
Speaker 1: On my end, it wasn't really supported, you know, especially
Speaker 1: coming from motherfuckers who was hard working people, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, coming from the South, like like music
Speaker 1: musicians and not like a pipe dream. We worked like
Speaker 1: around this motherfucker yea, you know, the starting artist exactly
Speaker 1: like that shit ain't gonna work you dreaming. Hell yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. It was good that you know, music had
Speaker 1: you know, developed a little bit by your time that
Speaker 1: your mom's could see, you know, the talent that you had,
Speaker 1: was ready to investing you going to the studios. Ship.
Speaker 1: I wish my mom would have put me in the studio.
Speaker 1: You gotta think there was the eighties, right, Yeah, there
Speaker 1: was the eighties. There wasn't nobody because they were saying
Speaker 1: this shit wasn't go. Last dog he was seeing rap
Speaker 1: was go just a fast Yeah, he said it was
Speaker 1: a fast six. It was hard danging around this motherfucker.
Speaker 1: I'm tally real, I'm done. I don't give a fuck.
Speaker 1: Fresh Fast days in Long Beach to digging I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: It was hard bag this motherfuck real talk. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: eighties was man. Listen man, eighties croker sacks. Man, they're
Speaker 1: very curls. It was hard back high school, fighting with
Speaker 1: the niggas, hopping the back fence, all that type of shit. Man.
Speaker 1: I didn't we didn't know nothing. When you talk about
Speaker 1: the fucking fresh Fast, that was a Loane Beach, I believe,
Speaker 1: and I remember when that ship happened. Dog, it was cracking.
Speaker 1: It was motherfucker's getting robbed in the parking lot, motherfuckers
Speaker 1: getting beat up because you think about it, everybody from
Speaker 1: La had congregated a pump that set a pumlane beach
Speaker 1: that day, right, and so you had a number of
Speaker 1: different niggas from everywhere else. They alone Beach numb A,
Speaker 1: Long Beaches one of them type of cities. Long Beaches
Speaker 1: are all blue city. For all those that don't know
Speaker 1: out there ain't number of crips them, one ain't number
Speaker 1: of crips. And then you got some moines and you
Speaker 1: got the Mexican homies, right, and that's and that's it.
Speaker 1: And it's not that big of them. It's a big city,
Speaker 1: but it's close knit. Yeah, absolutely, it's close knit. And
Speaker 1: that was the thing when I first came to California.
Speaker 1: Ill touched down out here in eighty eight and had
Speaker 1: been coming out to visit a few summers before they
Speaker 1: because I got some people out of here, right, So
Speaker 1: I've been coming since like eighty five eighty six, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: And when I tell you that, it was like the
Speaker 1: gangster ship was just at this full apex at that time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I came out here, dog and the nigga needed
Speaker 1: to get some money because I didn't have a family,
Speaker 1: you know, I most niggas get support from the crib.
Speaker 1: I didn't have nobody sending me a bag. I came
Speaker 1: out to this motherfucker with fifty dollars in my pocket,
Speaker 1: dog and a couple pair of pants. Like, nigga, you know,
Speaker 1: you got to go make your way in this world, right,
Speaker 1: So I got out here the quickest way I saw
Speaker 1: to get this some money. Man. The homie put a
Speaker 1: sack in my hand. In the gap, I said, this
Speaker 1: was a spot had it was, this is what a
Speaker 1: spot had, and that's what it was. Yeah, man, I
Speaker 1: mean shit. We was too young to get jobs, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. We couldn't legally work, so we
Speaker 1: had to find ways to get money, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. It wasn't like I could go get a
Speaker 1: fucking job. But I knew I was poor, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I knew that I didn't want to
Speaker 1: keep wearing these fucking thirst store clothes that my moms
Speaker 1: could afford. You know what I'm saying. We was so poor, nigga,
Speaker 1: we used to switch the tags on the first store
Speaker 1: clothed nigga. Damn, you know what I'm saying. Like we was,
Speaker 1: we was below the poverty line. So I figured out
Speaker 1: that money was very necessary early in my life, probably
Speaker 1: when I should have just been a kid having fun
Speaker 1: on the skateboard, you know what I mean. And then
Speaker 1: I got siblings, so you know, once Pop bounced out,
Speaker 1: it was on me and my older brother to hold
Speaker 1: everything down, you know what I mean. My older brothers
Speaker 1: start cooking in the kitchen, you know, doing this thing
Speaker 1: with the wrist work, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: he's taught me, you know the game on that I mean,
Speaker 1: Nigga say, we didn't know shit. We got theamn. We
Speaker 1: knew at five six years old. We pos mother if
Speaker 1: we pours the disrespect to the strugglers. But God, David,
Speaker 1: like she, like you said, you supposed to be a
Speaker 1: kid having happy times watching cartoons on the weekend that
Speaker 1: you picked up. Like Nigga, it's cold and its mother.
Speaker 1: We pour as fuck. We didn't even have utility sometimes, dog,
Speaker 1: I had to go out there and turn the electric
Speaker 1: back on and learn how to turn my electric gass on,
Speaker 1: my water on. I could do all that, even when
Speaker 1: they take the water meter. You're going you cut two
Speaker 1: inner tubes from the bicycle and you put them on
Speaker 1: there you twist their motherfucking hanger around. The motherfucker's cut
Speaker 1: your water back on, like poor, poor, poor my nigga,
Speaker 1: and they come back right now, they're come back. They
Speaker 1: come back and shut that motherfucker off. You better fill
Speaker 1: up while you can make. You make you appreciate shit today.
Speaker 1: Man like niggas be always you know, I get it,
Speaker 1: thiggas be on the rich rich shit and whatever. But
Speaker 1: you got to be able to appreciate. Motherfucker. I turned
Speaker 1: my lights on every fucking day, and give me. I
Speaker 1: can open my front door every day, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I can eat every day and eat comfortably.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I can wear what I
Speaker 1: want to wear. But to be able to steal, maintain,
Speaker 1: and not forget where you came from. You know, that's
Speaker 1: the type of motherfucker I am, right. I try to
Speaker 1: not you know, be too fancy with it. You know,
Speaker 1: coming from being an entertainer and all that, you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes you get lost in that ship. You know, you
Speaker 1: try to fit in with certain motherfuckers because you believe
Speaker 1: that's what you should be doing as a rapper. But
Speaker 1: you know, I've been I've always been a type of
Speaker 1: motherfucking Don't get me wrong. You lose yourself every now
Speaker 1: and then, you know what I'm saying, And then you
Speaker 1: come back to reality and I'm grateful for that, you know,
Speaker 1: and strong days in poorer days, because now nigga can
Speaker 1: hand you a couple of hundred thousand or whatever, and
Speaker 1: you don't how to be smart with shit. I mean,
Speaker 1: necessities is everything. You know. Flossing is one thing, but
Speaker 1: being able to take care of your family, your kids, lights,
Speaker 1: stay on, food on the table, kids can do basically
Speaker 1: whatever they want to do as far as you know,
Speaker 1: not being you know, alienated, growing up being a poor kid.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, motheruckers. Just going to school with motherfuckers and
Speaker 1: you'd be feeling a little out of place. Motherfucker's got
Speaker 1: on the guests this and against that. You know that
Speaker 1: was back in our days. You know, motherfucker's flossing and
Speaker 1: we're looking like damn and you wearing the same shit
Speaker 1: every day, trying to rotate that motherfucker trying to figure
Speaker 1: out the rotation. And it's always a motherfucking the school
Speaker 1: that got jokes to figure out your rotation. Nigga, I
Speaker 1: know what you're doing. You just want that same shit Friday,
Speaker 1: and you can wear this again Friday. Just motherfuckers, you
Speaker 1: want to just punch the motherfucker's in the mouth. How
Speaker 1: about when they tell you they get your brother had
Speaker 1: that outfit? Oh yeah, yeah. It's always a mother fuck
Speaker 1: with jokes that don't figure it out the whole motherfucking play.
Speaker 1: But going back to this, after you had the situation
Speaker 1: with them, what was next? What happened next? After I
Speaker 1: did Muscle Records, Um, I was bobbing down the street.
Speaker 1: I was on Atlantic Avenue, man, I was on my
Speaker 1: way to go see my dude Fudgelow and be Tip
Speaker 1: and and they was making some music for Warren was
Speaker 1: They was making ideas to pitch the Warren and Warren
Speaker 1: Warren was just coming up you know what I'm saying
Speaker 1: in the game. And I was mobbing over there to go,
Speaker 1: you know, come up with some music ideas with them
Speaker 1: and all that, and my homie Big C Style pulled
Speaker 1: up on me and Big Style was like, yo, I've
Speaker 1: been looking for you. Man. We got this compilation called
Speaker 1: nineteen Street Compilation. So I was like, okay, nineteen Street Compilation.
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, cool. So I was like
Speaker 1: He was like, get in. We were recording that soundcastle.
Speaker 1: Now the soundcastle was like a million dollars studio, and
Speaker 1: you know, me and my brother Dice, we mob and
Speaker 1: we broke hungry. So we jumped into the car. Lt.
Speaker 1: Hutton was in there eating a piece of chicken. Nigga
Speaker 1: had an s crall on his head. Now that nigga
Speaker 1: like one of the biggest producers. You know the kind
Speaker 1: of shit. You know what I'm saying. Man, We jumped
Speaker 1: in and went to the studio. We did this, We
Speaker 1: did it. I asked him. I was like, Yo, how
Speaker 1: many songs can I be on? I see y'all almost done?
Speaker 1: He said, you could be on as many as you want.
Speaker 1: Then I jumped on ten joints. That's how hungry I was,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. In a matter like two days,
Speaker 1: I was on ten songs and then that can that
Speaker 1: came out and uh some. My man Malik, my man
Speaker 1: Malik Levy. He had this deal called Capital Punishment at
Speaker 1: Capital Records. He had this label. They had these dudes
Speaker 1: over there, um called damn All we do with smoke
Speaker 1: mad is them Channel Channel Jaris went on it. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, So that was Malik in them.
Speaker 1: They was moving at some Malik he came through and
Speaker 1: he heard the compilation, was like, man, I could get
Speaker 1: y'all the situation. You know what I'm saying, So Virgin.
Speaker 1: That's when Virgin came in through New Trot, New Troy,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying with Eric, and they was
Speaker 1: over there. You know, the Looneys had just blew up
Speaker 1: what I got five on here there rapping out over
Speaker 1: here at that time was a lot over there. They
Speaker 1: had m you know, ben Zeno on them, has some
Speaker 1: shit going on over there, and Face Mob was over there.
Speaker 1: So it was you know, they came in and it's
Speaker 1: so funny because you know, I was a super technical rapper,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Because I listened to Big Daddy,
Speaker 1: Kane and Rock Him and Kogi rapping all of them,
Speaker 1: and I was like, man, all of the greats. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was like, dog, how can I get my skill
Speaker 1: my skills together? You know what I'm saying. And because
Speaker 1: the old dude told me, He's like, you want to
Speaker 1: you want to stop being poor. You gotta find something
Speaker 1: you good at and stick to it. And I was like,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm gonna try to really push my
Speaker 1: pen so sometimes you know, the home be like, man,
Speaker 1: I don't know what you was talking about because that
Speaker 1: shit sound hard though, you know what I'm saying. But
Speaker 1: it was like I was rap, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So um, it was just crazy. When the when the
Speaker 1: nars from from New Tribe and them came into the
Speaker 1: to the studio, they was like, who is that little
Speaker 1: nigga right there? You know what I'm saying. And off
Speaker 1: of the compilation, they gave me a solo deal, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And that's how I got the
Speaker 1: solo deal. Walked into the Virgin Records. Man, I was
Speaker 1: just a young dude. Man, I was living on Lyndon Avenue,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And it was like a
Speaker 1: big boardroom with people in suits and ties and signing
Speaker 1: the contract and taking pictures and shaking hands with people,
Speaker 1: and you know what I'm saying. It was a It
Speaker 1: was a big deal for me because at that point
Speaker 1: I thought I made it. I didn't know that it's
Speaker 1: a whole lot more to go after you get a
Speaker 1: record deal. But I ended up over there. We did
Speaker 1: a dope ass album. I had the Dog Pound on
Speaker 1: there and Naked Dog on there, and Battlecat did a
Speaker 1: lot of production. LT did production, Dash did production. And
Speaker 1: they said somebody was embezzling in the Urban Department or
Speaker 1: something like that, so they just shut down the whole
Speaker 1: Urban Department right when my album was ready to go.
Speaker 1: I thought I was about to come out and serve it,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But they shut it down.
Speaker 1: And uh, it was cool because they let me step
Speaker 1: with my masters and they ain't. So you got to
Speaker 1: walk away with that album. I got to walk away
Speaker 1: with the album, and I got to walk away, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. They didn't. They didn't say, you know,
Speaker 1: the recoupment. All that was. You got to keep the
Speaker 1: advance and all that. Let me ask you this, as
Speaker 1: a poor kid coming up a long beach man from
Speaker 1: the ghetto like so many of us, what did you
Speaker 1: do when you first got to check man? What's the
Speaker 1: first thing you did? Though? First thing I did? Dog
Speaker 1: I went and um, I went and got a car.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I wouldn't got a car.
Speaker 1: I put some beat in it, you know, of course,
Speaker 1: and then um, I ain't got an apartment and I
Speaker 1: went moved to Bigsby Nose like I thought, I made it.
Speaker 1: That's what niggas. When the nigga long beast make it,
Speaker 1: he goes to the Bixby Nose, A bill my short
Speaker 1: with the big feet like the cop that they could
Speaker 1: go in to Serdos or some ships. Is it? They
Speaker 1: had a mode up the ladder digger. Hell yeah, niggas
Speaker 1: up the motherfucking row. So you go through that situation.
Speaker 1: Did you ever put that project out? Never came out?
Speaker 1: You had the masters, though you could have won to
Speaker 1: deal what she wanted to with that. I didn't know
Speaker 1: what we didn't We didn't know that ship back then.
Speaker 1: We didn't know about I got my masters. I didn't
Speaker 1: go independent. Right now, I'm pressing up a few copies.
Speaker 1: See if you'd ran acros I was busy playing football. No,
Speaker 1: I was dune playing football. You're way younger than me.
Speaker 1: But you'd ran across the nigga like me. That album.
Speaker 1: Damn ship didn't come to the the head. I'd already had
Speaker 1: a full strategy for that motherfucker. I had a lot
Speaker 1: of mentors, dog, but a lot of them didn't know
Speaker 1: the business business exactly. You see what I'm saying, so
Speaker 1: it was like, damn, I look back, like, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: it took a lot of us to get fucked over
Speaker 1: to learn the business. Yes, yeah, that's I mean, that's
Speaker 1: what it takes. I mean, we got we hear that's
Speaker 1: saying all the time. Oh you're gonna get fucked Yeah,
Speaker 1: you come through the door. Yeah, it's just no if
Speaker 1: fans your buts. Yeah, it's what you learn from that
Speaker 1: fucking It's how you maintain and how you maneuver and
Speaker 1: actually ship. That's life, dog. It's like you constantly learning,
Speaker 1: even now as an older man. Right, It's certain experiences
Speaker 1: I go through and I chalk him up his lessons.
Speaker 1: Like even when something go bad, I say, you know what,
Speaker 1: thank god, you know that was another lesson right there.
Speaker 1: We don't fail, we learn for sure. And so you
Speaker 1: got this situation. By now you got an incredible buzz
Speaker 1: because I heard it. I started hearing about you during
Speaker 1: that period when a nineteen Street compilation came out and everything,
Speaker 1: and people were saying, man, it's a dude, long beach.
Speaker 1: It's harder than rock him, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: And people was talking about you in that regard. It
Speaker 1: made me definitely go check in on it. Right, So
Speaker 1: when did you start fucking with the row? Fucking with
Speaker 1: the Row? Well, after that situation went back independent. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I'm at I'm at Kinko's making
Speaker 1: my own mixtape covers. See see that. See the young people,
Speaker 1: they don't know, they don't know about that grind. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. We was, We was going to studio,
Speaker 1: buying studio time, you know, putting, putting projects together, doing
Speaker 1: our own album covers, pressing our own stuff up, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, and hand to hand trying to
Speaker 1: get them off, you know what I'm saying. So I
Speaker 1: was doing that and then I met some dudes from
Speaker 1: from from Texas and they had a little independent label.
Speaker 1: So I went down there and wrote for all their artists,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And I was keeping me
Speaker 1: and that was keeping me afloat, you know. I was
Speaker 1: just pinning for all their artists and I was keeping
Speaker 1: me right. And then I got a knock on my
Speaker 1: door and it was a big style and dads. They
Speaker 1: had Dog Pound Records through Death Row, and they was like, yo,
Speaker 1: we want you to come to death Row with us.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, And I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: what's going down. It was like, yeah, we got to
Speaker 1: meet with Shug. Shug was locked up. He was in
Speaker 1: Mule Creek, and I was like, all right, cool, so
Speaker 1: flew up to go see Shugar. Now I come in
Speaker 1: after them. I get to I get to Sacramento. Shug
Speaker 1: got a tahoe that he'd been paying for at the
Speaker 1: airport for his whole time he was incarcerating, you know,
Speaker 1: airport parking as high as a motherfucker. So he paying
Speaker 1: for this motherfucker for years for everybody who come to
Speaker 1: visit him. So you jump into tahole, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Reggie was driving and we went up to
Speaker 1: uh to go see Shug, and we stopped in the
Speaker 1: middle of nowhere, and I didn't know what was going on.
Speaker 1: And I was like, man, well he stopped. Reggie jumped
Speaker 1: out and got on the cell phone. He got back
Speaker 1: in his whole mood change. I was like, man, what
Speaker 1: the fuck is going on? You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm thinking about an exit strategy. Shit, I know,
Speaker 1: death row reputation. You don't know you're going on in
Speaker 1: the middle of nowhere. Let me ask you this. I
Speaker 1: know we're from different sides. Yeah, snooped the party at
Speaker 1: that time at the party, Okay, Now that's ay made
Speaker 1: it extra weird for you. You You stopped off from the
Speaker 1: middle of nowhere, a young chryp nigga from Long I'm
Speaker 1: just I'm just I'm just just a neutral, neutral nigga.
Speaker 1: That dad got a whole bunch of a whole bunch
Speaker 1: of seas in my family. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Take that back. I shouldn't have said, because I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, just to be from the city, we grew
Speaker 1: up like this, you know what I mean, Like this
Speaker 1: is what it is. But um, you know. Yeah. So man,
Speaker 1: they stopped in the middle of nowhere. I'm like, dude,
Speaker 1: what's the fuck is popping right here? And he get
Speaker 1: back in mood. Change. Next thing, you know, he looking
Speaker 1: at me through the rear view. He's like, hey, man,
Speaker 1: something happened up there at the up there at to jail.
Speaker 1: I said, what happened your home boys they got into
Speaker 1: it with should I said what? They's like He's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's all bad. He gonna tell you about it when
Speaker 1: you get there. So I'm like, oh shit, so this
Speaker 1: is my first time going to really really sit down
Speaker 1: and talk to him about about the record deal. So
Speaker 1: he don't feel out. But there's msn't big Stown man.
Speaker 1: They got hit to it with him, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, And uh, it was ugly. So when they
Speaker 1: say that, I can assume that when they got into
Speaker 1: it with him, they expected you to say fuck this
Speaker 1: something not fucking with this nigga. Now they got into
Speaker 1: it so cold. They forgot I was coming that day,
Speaker 1: so they didn't even know. So I went up in
Speaker 1: there and should like, so, what's happening. You're riding with
Speaker 1: your homies? I said, first of all, what were we
Speaker 1: talking about? Blah blah, this blah blah, and they told
Speaker 1: me ran it down. I was like, for real. I
Speaker 1: was like, dog, I'm gonna call I'm gonna call Big Style,
Speaker 1: see what's going on with this? You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So I can't. I got back to the city. We
Speaker 1: went over an house that was the home girl. Everybody
Speaker 1: used to be over an housing on a buss bowl,
Speaker 1: So you know, I pulled up to a biss boat.
Speaker 1: As soon as I pulled up, Big Styles start cracking up.
Speaker 1: I forgot your ass. What's going up there too? Oh shit?
Speaker 1: Did they tell you what happened? I said, yeah, they
Speaker 1: told me what happened. He said, he says Simon hot huh.
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, sure hotgg. He was like yeah, man,
Speaker 1: you know we had we had some words. He said,
Speaker 1: you know, it's all good. I was like, yeah, So
Speaker 1: what y'all gonna do? He was like, man, we ain't
Speaker 1: gonna do the dog Pound records over there. So I
Speaker 1: was like, I ain't gonna do it. He's like nah.
Speaker 1: I was like damn. I said, they want me to
Speaker 1: come back up there though, and he was like, shit,
Speaker 1: go up there, see what they're talking about. See if
Speaker 1: they got some bread. So I went back and she
Speaker 1: was like, hey, I can make you a movie star.
Speaker 1: I could put you in get you Grammys, I can
Speaker 1: have your billboards everywhere. I'm gonna have you on front
Speaker 1: of magazines and all that. And I was like, hey,
Speaker 1: let's do this. Because I had actually went and visited
Speaker 1: Dre before. You know what I'm saying, I had said
Speaker 1: with Dre for a minute, and Drey was working on
Speaker 1: King T album, and you know what I'm saying, I
Speaker 1: got on that album. I did a song with Dove
Speaker 1: C and Bull Rock, and you know, I wanted to
Speaker 1: go on Aftermath exactly. You know what I'm saying. I
Speaker 1: was like, shit, doctor Dre. You know you know what
Speaker 1: that stamp about. You know what I'm saying. So I
Speaker 1: wanted to I wanted to be on Aftermath, but he
Speaker 1: had just found him and he was like, yo, you know,
Speaker 1: the basic premise of it was he gotta do the
Speaker 1: King T Ship the m Ship and then we could
Speaker 1: figure something out, you know after that. And then Sugar
Speaker 1: was like, nig I got to check for you right here.
Speaker 1: So I was just like, yo, you know what, I'm
Speaker 1: a kid with a kid at this point, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And I'm like, yo, I take this money,
Speaker 1: I take this fans, but it's in your face, yeah, right,
Speaker 1: like I ain't no talking, and you know we're gonna
Speaker 1: see what's up. It makes a difference when the nigga
Speaker 1: go there. It is right there there, it is right there.
Speaker 1: He said, he said, you're gonna be able to kick
Speaker 1: your feet up, and I was like, yo, you know what,
Speaker 1: I gotta take it. And then you know, to me,
Speaker 1: sug had an ear for talent, you know, what I mean.
Speaker 1: He had an ear for talent. Anyway, Death Row was
Speaker 1: a historic label on the West Coast, even though everybody
Speaker 1: had departed in two podcasts passed away unfortunately. Um, it
Speaker 1: felt like a challenge to me, like, yo, if we
Speaker 1: can get this backpopping, you know my legacy of BC
Speaker 1: minute and being concrete, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: I just went on ahead and took the deal. And
Speaker 1: I was on the road. Niggas gave me two Death
Speaker 1: Row chains of platinum platinum one and a gold one,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And next thing you know,
Speaker 1: I'm driving around and bends his own spree whales, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, and hitting the studio track record
Speaker 1: and we just recording recording with everybody, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, and making albums man. And it was crazy.
Speaker 1: And because child was still locked up and then he
Speaker 1: got out. Now I knew what this time, man, Like
Speaker 1: I said, Alone, Beach is a real close knit city,
Speaker 1: right are you? You know the situations that Snoop and
Speaker 1: Dads and then went through when they first left the Row,
Speaker 1: it was a whole bunch of shit cracking. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: did you ever get caught up in the middle of
Speaker 1: all that stuff. Oh yeah, I got caught up in it,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like death Row had a
Speaker 1: lot of ops. Oh yeah, a lot, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And they wasn't trying. They hear none of
Speaker 1: that old hey man, I'm just rapping over there. They
Speaker 1: don't want to hear that shit, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So you know, we got into it a lot, man.
Speaker 1: We got no brawls, shootouts, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Like niggas following me around lake woo them all, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, trying to get that chain off me,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And niggas, niggas threating the
Speaker 1: kidding that my kids. Thug behind that ship. Who got
Speaker 1: that crazy though crazy it got it, got it shit
Speaker 1: get crazy, man, especially when you not like you said,
Speaker 1: I'm not affiliated, but when you associated it don't give
Speaker 1: nigga you buy as well be. We don't give a fuck. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we don't get. We don't. We don't get. And like
Speaker 1: I telled, niggas in this ship, you could be cool
Speaker 1: with everybody, but it's just motherfucker's who just don't give
Speaker 1: a fuck. Fuck. Yeah, you don't care if he crooked
Speaker 1: and he cool and he just wrapped in this ship.
Speaker 1: This nigga got death roll chain though. Yeah, that means
Speaker 1: it's own goal. The niggas don't give a foot, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. It's like the thing heel is
Speaker 1: man with all this shit. Man, motherfucker's always try to
Speaker 1: trag the street elements to some shit. Yeah, and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna tell you something that this is something that a
Speaker 1: lot of people learn. The horrid one gorillas belong in
Speaker 1: the jungle. My nigga businessmen belong in the business in
Speaker 1: the boardroom. You feel what I'm saying. Because the two
Speaker 1: just don't mix, My nigga, the two just don't Master
Speaker 1: Pete once told me, don't try to have one foot
Speaker 1: in the streets and one foot in the music business.
Speaker 1: They don't mix, though, put both feet in the music business. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's unfortunate for you that the environment that we
Speaker 1: grow up in and the associations that we they have had.
Speaker 1: You could go four fledge, nigga. I'm just yeah, and
Speaker 1: still then niggas don't give a fuck. They don't care,
Speaker 1: don't they don't care. You could be two feet in
Speaker 1: business one hand, the god and whatever and niggas who
Speaker 1: knew you from the fifth grade gonna be fucked that nigga. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I went through a lot dog over there. I was
Speaker 1: over there four years, you know what I'm saying, And
Speaker 1: I went through a whole lot over there. But I
Speaker 1: feel like, you know, that's whatever respect I got, It
Speaker 1: came from being the only long beach nigga over there
Speaker 1: and left and walking out, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: and never having no you know, oh should slap truck
Speaker 1: or no, should did this? Or all of those horror stories,
Speaker 1: no horror stories, none of that, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: And uh, you know that's just being I was just
Speaker 1: always myself, dog like. I just never I never switched
Speaker 1: up nothing. Yeah. So obviously all that stuff got resolved
Speaker 1: because you've got great relationships with everybody now. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: all that stuff resolved. Some people, some people gone, some
Speaker 1: people on a permanent vacation. It's like, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, and some people is is, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: we cordial again. I mean because I wasn't over there
Speaker 1: trying to kick up no dust. I was over there
Speaker 1: trying to make the greatest music I could make and
Speaker 1: change my life with the music and do what I loved.
Speaker 1: That's what I was. I dead for records trying to do.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I wasn't over there for
Speaker 1: the other ship. But the other ship, like Shoo told me,
Speaker 1: He's like, it don't matter, It's gonna happen. Definitely, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's gonna happen. It's gonna happen. You know, Christally, when
Speaker 1: you got the reputation for the label is known for
Speaker 1: we known forgetting this shit. And it's not gonna change.
Speaker 1: It ain't gonna change whether you come through the door,
Speaker 1: then get and go somewhere else. And we signed a
Speaker 1: new nigga. Long as you are attached to death raw,
Speaker 1: it's gonna always come at you, period. So and I
Speaker 1: learned a lot. So yeah, and that's cool, and you
Speaker 1: got you know what I'm saying. It ultimately made your
Speaker 1: name even bigger. Hell yeah, shit man, dog. We went
Speaker 1: to New York, like when Shell got out, it was
Speaker 1: really popping. You know what I'm saying. Shell got out
Speaker 1: and got straight to it, you know what I mean. Billboards,
Speaker 1: We did the double X sale magazine cover Rest in
Speaker 1: Peace Left. I was on that cover, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. That was her last photo shoot. Johnathan Man,
Speaker 1: you shot that. Shout out to him, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. We did everything every show you could think of,
Speaker 1: Jimmy Kimmel, you know what I'm saying. All the way
Speaker 1: to the East Coast. We was on Hot ninety seven.
Speaker 1: They was bumping my new single all like all that,
Speaker 1: and Shug would also allow me to sit in some
Speaker 1: of these meetings sometimes, you know what I mean, when
Speaker 1: he was talking to power players in the industry. So
Speaker 1: I was learning about the game by just sitting there
Speaker 1: soaking it up, you know what I'm saying. So it
Speaker 1: wasn't all bad. It was. It wasn't all bad, you know.
Speaker 1: But I feel like since he was kind of blackballed,
Speaker 1: that we couldn't really put out no hits, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. And sometime hits make off all the negativity.
Speaker 1: You overlooked the negativity because the hits is coming. But
Speaker 1: if you ain't got no hits, then we're just looking
Speaker 1: at all the bullshit that's going on and being like, Nigga,
Speaker 1: this is some bullshit, you know what I'm saying. Because
Speaker 1: we didn't have no we didn't have no way to
Speaker 1: really distribute our ship. You know, he wasn't going for
Speaker 1: the independent game. Should wanted to sell millions of records,
Speaker 1: because that's what he was using. You know, I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure coming from the heights of he's came from Bow,
Speaker 1: he wasn't trying to see nothing less than that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like he won and all that. When we went over there,
Speaker 1: when they was doing projections and all that, he wasn't
Speaker 1: feeling it what I'm saying, because he came from a
Speaker 1: situation where he was used to selling millions and millions
Speaker 1: of records, you know what I mean. And the game
Speaker 1: was changing. He went in, he was like one or two,
Speaker 1: you know, hip hop moguls. He came out, it was
Speaker 1: full five and motherfucker's exactly. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: The game had changed up. Yeah, just that quick, man,
Speaker 1: just that quick. Now. The Jarl was solve your situation amicably. Yeah.
Speaker 1: We didn't see out when I when I left, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, I was like, it's time for
Speaker 1: me to go because wasn't no music because decision or
Speaker 1: was it a contract short decision? Well, the contract was up. Okay,
Speaker 1: I did I did you know the four years. We
Speaker 1: had a four year contract. I did the four year contract.
Speaker 1: Contract was up. They wanted me to resign and I
Speaker 1: was like, yo, you know what, I'm ready. I gotta bounce.
Speaker 1: I need to put music out. Time is I can't
Speaker 1: get this time back, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: we was doing little shit like we did uh Dysfunctional Family,
Speaker 1: Eddie Griffin, he had this movie. We did the whole soundtrack.
Speaker 1: I helped co produce most of the whole damn soundtrack,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. We had a lot of
Speaker 1: players on there. Murder Ink came into play murder inc.
Speaker 1: EARV Gotti came in, was like, well, look he kind
Speaker 1: of I think he kind of knew Sugars hands was
Speaker 1: tied to a certain extent. So Herv was like, Yo,
Speaker 1: we'll take Krook and you know, we'll put them up
Speaker 1: where you need to be, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So so you almost wanted them murdering. So it was
Speaker 1: almost a death Row Murderinc On my album. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. That's why I did the Baby
Speaker 1: remix with a Shanty. You know, when she did the
Speaker 1: Baby song and went number one, I did the remix
Speaker 1: first time I was number one on them, one or
Speaker 1: six apart. You know what I'm saying, And you know, er,
Speaker 1: I gotta say this. You know, EARV kept it real.
Speaker 1: Not too many people. A lot of people always was
Speaker 1: talking to me in the industry like yeah, I do
Speaker 1: this with you, I do that with you, and they
Speaker 1: they go ghost you don't even see him no more,
Speaker 1: or it's just Hollywood shit, like yeah, man, we gotta
Speaker 1: make sure we do this. You know, just a lot
Speaker 1: of Hollywood shit. But HERB was like, listen, you want
Speaker 1: the hardest niggers I heard ever. I'm gonna make sure
Speaker 1: your ship shake. He's like, we got the number one
Speaker 1: record over here, you're getting on the remix. I left
Speaker 1: the studio. I was like, hey, cool, that's what he's saying.
Speaker 1: Next day, I was in the booth. Right after that,
Speaker 1: I was at the at the video shoot. Right after that,
Speaker 1: I was coming out on a shanty set. Why she
Speaker 1: had thirty thousand people in the crowd rocking my verse.
Speaker 1: You feel me like he kept it all the way
Speaker 1: one hunting, you know what I mean. And I appreciated that,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But when that case hit,
Speaker 1: everything scattered remember when yeah, they got they got hit.
Speaker 1: What they It's almost like that was a concerted effort
Speaker 1: from law enforcement. Really the ship off, you know, the
Speaker 1: three powerful black labels, because you gotta remember Rap a
Speaker 1: Lot Records was involved in that. They didn't get cracked
Speaker 1: like they're the cast d though they got sugar and
Speaker 1: they got herb. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. Definitely yeah,
Speaker 1: And it was like it was trippy man and being
Speaker 1: you know, when I'm being on the road, they was
Speaker 1: really trying to blackball. I would show up to concerts
Speaker 1: by myself and they'd be like, nah, we can't let
Speaker 1: you in. You know what I'm saying, Like as artists
Speaker 1: here performing that said, if we let you in, they're
Speaker 1: not performing. I ain't never even met did nothing to
Speaker 1: these niggas well, you know what it was during that time, Crook.
Speaker 1: I think the industry as a whole, because I think
Speaker 1: everybody in this room heard about the mass whoopings that
Speaker 1: was being passed out. I'm talking about grown niggas putting
Speaker 1: their hands on other grown niggas, you know, not just
Speaker 1: beat downs, but really defiling niggas. Man pissing on niggas
Speaker 1: and you know, just all that shit come running up
Speaker 1: in niggas cribs and all that just crazy stuff. Dog.
Speaker 1: If they got to a time and I'm gonna tell
Speaker 1: you some dog, I don't give a fuck how bad
Speaker 1: and nigga think his reputation he was in the street, right,
Speaker 1: it ain't no motherfucker batter than the federal government, my nigga.
Speaker 1: But motherfuckers get tired of your ass and you think
Speaker 1: you could walk around, you're putting your hands on motherfucker's
Speaker 1: dog and doing all this crazy shit. After while, the
Speaker 1: people with the pipical start going, U, we got something
Speaker 1: for your ass, right, We're not alone it no more. Now,
Speaker 1: I'll be telling you, since that time, you ain't heard
Speaker 1: about no niggas running up in no labels like they
Speaker 1: used to back then. That ship is not working. Dog.
Speaker 1: You just can't force some motherfucker security. Yeah, they're not
Speaker 1: letting motherfucker's in their buildings no more like that. That
Speaker 1: shit stopped and they just changed that game. Man, that
Speaker 1: that that behavior has changed the game because we weren't
Speaker 1: taking that bullshit. Nigga's got tired of getting robbed. Because
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you, dog, I'm gonna tell you like this,
Speaker 1: Like I tell everybody else, Man, that small world that's
Speaker 1: in the streets, that's really not reality. They live outside
Speaker 1: the skibble with reality yields. Motherfucker's is getting niggas locked
Speaker 1: the fuck up, dog Man, dog locked all the way up,
Speaker 1: you know. And and and you know, after that ship,
Speaker 1: I was seeing a noticeable difference in the industry, how
Speaker 1: people was moving around, you know what I'm saying. With
Speaker 1: the security, like A said, with the motherfucking you gotta
Speaker 1: have a code to get inside the building. You gotta
Speaker 1: have a key card to go up the elevator. Like
Speaker 1: everything was changing. You can't just run up in them
Speaker 1: offices talking all that shit no more, you know, because
Speaker 1: it's not real healthy dog and only niggas bring that
Speaker 1: type of ship. You don't never hear about no rock star.
Speaker 1: Motherfucker's doing no crazy shit like that, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. They said they dispute in the boardroom and
Speaker 1: the lawyer, you know, the courthouse man, because I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, payola and all that wasn't really created by us. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: we talked about baseball bats. Yeah you know what I yeah,
Speaker 1: it was going in play this check this out. They
Speaker 1: was only coming with baseball batsto dog when that's not
Speaker 1: a month he didn't work. Yeah, when the money didn't work,
Speaker 1: you know, when the money coming with the mother shit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know because that's what I mean, you know
Speaker 1: how to go, man, Like these niggas was in there. Man,
Speaker 1: they trying to get this money off these spins. Man,
Speaker 1: they weren't taking no for an answer. You know, industry
Speaker 1: was on some gangster shit. If you asked me no,
Speaker 1: let me ask you this and this. Because I'm trying
Speaker 1: to like a speaking pass a lot of shit. So
Speaker 1: when when is the last time you actually talked to Sugar? Like,
Speaker 1: how did y'all leave it? Did you talk to him
Speaker 1: after he got into the situation with Old Boy when
Speaker 1: he ran the brother over? I talked to him right
Speaker 1: before then. That was the last time I spoke to him.
Speaker 1: I talked to him right before then. Um, I was
Speaker 1: filming the show. I did this show called One Shot.
Speaker 1: I created it for BT in twenty fifteen. UM. It
Speaker 1: came out in twenty fifteen. UM. It was a It
Speaker 1: was a platform that I built for independent artists. We
Speaker 1: went around the world, went around America just trying to
Speaker 1: find new rappers. Right, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: then you know, whoever win the contest get a hundred
Speaker 1: thousand dollars and an independent record deal. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So I was in Miami shooting the Miami episode.
Speaker 1: I had Callett. It was cracking, it was real, it
Speaker 1: was real cool and um I had Swede hosting it
Speaker 1: and all that shit. And I got a call and
Speaker 1: was shug The should was like, yo, was hattening. I said,
Speaker 1: oh man, I'm chilling. I'm in Miami. He's like, okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 1: I thought you was out here. Man, I was gonna
Speaker 1: ask you to do something. But you in Miami, Man,
Speaker 1: what you're doing out there? I was like, oh man,
Speaker 1: I'm just filming the show. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Just doing my thing. He was like, A right, all right.
Speaker 1: We had a little conversation, man, and left it at that.
Speaker 1: But before then, you know, when I first left the
Speaker 1: judge because they took they took me to court, The
Speaker 1: label took me to court, and you know, try to say,
Speaker 1: you know, I guess the legal department was like yo,
Speaker 1: it was trying to stop me from being able to leave.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, so you old, some more
Speaker 1: old old, some more records and all this kind of shit.
Speaker 1: So I went to court and the craziest shit happened.
Speaker 1: I already knew. I was like, oh shit, and they go,
Speaker 1: I'm good. I walked in because I'll be you ever
Speaker 1: believe in signs or something like that. So I walked
Speaker 1: in and the judge name was Judge good Man, and
Speaker 1: I looked at that shit. I was like, okay, And
Speaker 1: then they were saying, you know, they sighed was saying that,
Speaker 1: you know, I still owe some records and blah blah
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, you know what I mean. And they
Speaker 1: was trying to say that, you know, they had me
Speaker 1: under a new contract, and I was like, yo, I
Speaker 1: already knew. It's like impossible to prove because I believe
Speaker 1: the FEDS had already raided the building at that point
Speaker 1: and they had took all the paperwork away. So it
Speaker 1: was like I couldn't even tell you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: like they came in and took all the computers and
Speaker 1: everything when they raided Death Row. But anyway, the judge
Speaker 1: winked at me. I already knew. I was like Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm good, you know what I'm saying. And he was like, Yo,
Speaker 1: y'all gotta pay him back for his legal fees. Y'all
Speaker 1: gotta pay him back for this. He put a business
Speaker 1: gag order on him because he's like, I don't want
Speaker 1: nobody going to Universal Warner soon. He's saying that this man,
Speaker 1: it's still on y'all label to intimidate nobody in the
Speaker 1: business from doing any worked with him. If I hear
Speaker 1: about it, it's gonna be a quarter million dollars fine
Speaker 1: on you. Like he just threw the whole shit at him,
Speaker 1: and you know, shouldn't like that, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: He didn't like that, man, And and I was like,
Speaker 1: I gotta go talk to this nigga man because people
Speaker 1: were saying stuff like like man should said wawawa, I
Speaker 1: anna work? You know what I'm saying. So I was
Speaker 1: on sunset one night when my god brother Jim get him,
Speaker 1: and uh, I see should stand outside with like four
Speaker 1: or five dudes. It was just me and Jim, But
Speaker 1: I was like, dog, let's swoop up on him real quick,
Speaker 1: jumped out, sure what was happening? Oh crook, come here, man?
Speaker 1: I say, yo, what's going down. He was like, oh,
Speaker 1: he said some things right. I ain't gonna say what
Speaker 1: he said, but he said some things, and I said
Speaker 1: some things right, and he started laughing. He said, that's
Speaker 1: why I always fucked with you, because you crazy as
Speaker 1: a motherfucker. And I was like, man, you know, niggas
Speaker 1: just trying to do his business. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: That's just what it is. And after that we shook hands, right,
Speaker 1: and it wasn't no more. Nothing was a gray area
Speaker 1: no more. After that, you know what I mean, I
Speaker 1: start seeing him at parties. You know, I go holler
Speaker 1: at him for a second, you know, go do my thing.
Speaker 1: And you know, he had called me when I signed
Speaker 1: The Shady and he hit me up. He was like, listen,
Speaker 1: I'm glad you with the white boy. That's what he
Speaker 1: called him. You know, he's I'm glad you with the
Speaker 1: white boy because he understand lyricism. He was like, he
Speaker 1: understand lyricism. You know, a lot of these these record
Speaker 1: labels they don't know what to do with a real lyricist.
Speaker 1: But I feel like Eminem know what to do with
Speaker 1: a real lyricist. You know what it's funny that you
Speaker 1: go into this situation now with Shady because then that
Speaker 1: was the formation. You guys have formed Slaughterhouse by this time, right,
Speaker 1: you guys formed Slaughterhouse by this time. It was a
Speaker 1: lot of excitement and a lot of anticipation around that.
Speaker 1: How did that get blown in this array? How did
Speaker 1: it get blown into this array? Not being on the
Speaker 1: same page, you know what I'm saying, Like, we wasn't
Speaker 1: the four dudes who was in the trenches with each other, right,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And or Nigga Sambox niggas.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. We was put together. We
Speaker 1: came together, the fans put us together. We was We
Speaker 1: was taking advantage of the internet, bro, That's what it was.
Speaker 1: I figured out a way to really pop off on
Speaker 1: the internet. Joe figured out a way. Royce figured out
Speaker 1: that Joel. So when we came together and did that
Speaker 1: one song, the Internet crash and it was like, oh shit,
Speaker 1: let's do another one. I flew to New York. We
Speaker 1: did another one. And then when I was in New York,
Speaker 1: they was like, Yo, let's just do a group. We
Speaker 1: did a group. We went on E one. But the
Speaker 1: first album E one really didn't think that we was
Speaker 1: gonna mount to nothing. They like, all these lyrical miracle
Speaker 1: niggas ain't gonna do nothing. So they ain't really press
Speaker 1: up much many copies, you know what I'm saying. That's
Speaker 1: back when there was pressed the CDs and we sold
Speaker 1: out in the first two hours, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And then they was like damn. They was like, yo,
Speaker 1: can y'all resign? We had a one album deal with them,
Speaker 1: and we was like, hell no, y'all didn't even believe
Speaker 1: in us. Why would we resign with y'all, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So we took off, got got with shady,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, and uh, it was it was.
Speaker 1: It was pretty cool. But that's when it started unraveling
Speaker 1: our specific well, I mean, I'm gonna just speak freely,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Please do. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: where we Joe Joe, but Joe Button, he my experiences
Speaker 1: were dealing with him. He's not a good person, Okay,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And that kept splashing on
Speaker 1: to the to the group. Now everybody was we was
Speaker 1: all making certain mistakes. I was drinking heavy, you know,
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I was drinking, I was, I was
Speaker 1: turning up, you know what I'm saying. So sometimes, but
Speaker 1: I knew how to do my job even when I
Speaker 1: was you know what I'm saying getting fucked up. I
Speaker 1: knew how to do my job. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: who want the nigga to be drunk all the goddamn time?
Speaker 1: So that's my that's me hold myself accountable for for
Speaker 1: for my actions and Slarter House, you know what I'm saying. Um,
Speaker 1: Joe was doing deal side deals, deals we didn't know about.
Speaker 1: I mean shit, it was just side deals from himself
Speaker 1: or the group for herself, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And you know, and and and other than I don't
Speaker 1: even care about that kind of shit because we all
Speaker 1: got a hustle and grind it. We just me and
Speaker 1: him don't mix. He don't fuck with me. I don't
Speaker 1: fuck with him, you know what I'm saying. And it's
Speaker 1: like somebody that knew him told me, hey, whatever you do,
Speaker 1: don't let Joe be Joe. And I ain't know what
Speaker 1: that meant because I was I just met him, and
Speaker 1: he was like, you're gonna find out, And I found out,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So it became a situation
Speaker 1: where I was like, you know what, I got off
Speaker 1: liquor because it wasn't serving me, it wasn't giving me
Speaker 1: any benefits, no positive benefits. I was catching ails on
Speaker 1: that ship, you know, DUIs jail, you know, cussing, motherfucker's out.
Speaker 1: I shouldn't have been getting into shit. I shouldn't have
Speaker 1: been getting into all that type of shit. I got
Speaker 1: rid of that. I moved that out of my life.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, you know what, I gotta move this
Speaker 1: shit out of my life, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Because this this ain't even it, you know, so you
Speaker 1: gotta manu. Yeah, you have to. You gotta let it go.
Speaker 1: And it's like to stress you the fuck out when
Speaker 1: you're trying to figure out, you know, the next move,
Speaker 1: when the next move is just fuck the motherfucker. I
Speaker 1: can't mix with that motherfuckers. So it's best for me
Speaker 1: to just not even deal with it. Yeah, and I'm
Speaker 1: not even like, you know, I'm not angry. I let
Speaker 1: the anger go, because when you're angry, it's like you're
Speaker 1: picking up a sharp knife to stab somebody. But you
Speaker 1: picked up the wrong end and cut yourself. Yeah all
Speaker 1: the time, you know what I'm saying. So I don't
Speaker 1: harbor no anger, you know what I mean for the situation,
Speaker 1: no more. I let that all go. But it was
Speaker 1: it was just one of those things to where you know,
Speaker 1: Royce didn't want to do the three man group, just me,
Speaker 1: him and Joel when when Joe said he retired, he
Speaker 1: was bent on trying to bring Joe out of retirement
Speaker 1: and doing the four man group. But we just got
Speaker 1: to the point where me as a person growing and
Speaker 1: trying to trying to be the best version of myself,
Speaker 1: I can no longer stand next to that guy. I'm saying,
Speaker 1: I feel that and not see you guys have had
Speaker 1: some dialogue. Yeah, and wouldn't you on this show? Yeah?
Speaker 1: The thing to pull up, y'all was on the pull up.
Speaker 1: What happened? But that that episode, like Zapp must have
Speaker 1: missed something. That episode disappeared. That episode disappeared, you know
Speaker 1: that that shit disappeared. I feel like it was a
Speaker 1: good business move for him to make that that episode
Speaker 1: go away because the conversation. I don't think the conversation
Speaker 1: went the way him and his team wanted it. To go.
Speaker 1: So it was a good business move for just flushing
Speaker 1: down the stupid scrap that you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But you know, um, Slaughterhouse could have impacted the culture.
Speaker 1: Were some dudes who knew how to rap very well.
Speaker 1: But we didn't. We didn't impact or move nothing in
Speaker 1: the ulture like we could have because we didn't grow
Speaker 1: to that space ship. Now right now, you'll look at
Speaker 1: Royce and Royce would be doing things for mental health.
Speaker 1: He'll be trying to help you know, independent artists come
Speaker 1: up in this community. He's doing things to try to
Speaker 1: impact the culture now as a as a you know,
Speaker 1: as he's grown over the years, as he's maturing, you
Speaker 1: see what I'm saying. Slaughter House didn't get a chance
Speaker 1: to mature, be a brand and impact the culture. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because there was a hell of an opportunity though. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a hell of an opportunity that we had
Speaker 1: the potential to do that We could have put our
Speaker 1: people on you know what I'm saying, put people in position.
Speaker 1: We had an enormous opportunity to just to do whatever
Speaker 1: we want to do, and we didn't do it. We
Speaker 1: just got to the phase of Megan Records touring the
Speaker 1: world and rapping like a motherfucker that was supposed to
Speaker 1: change into something more dynamic, the more meaningful. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: you had a contingent of guys who were like amongst
Speaker 1: the best rappers on the planet though, right amongst the
Speaker 1: most lyrical guys on the planet. And I was looking
Speaker 1: forward to really seeing that flourish and come to fruition. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was too. I tried to get it to crack off. Man,
Speaker 1: I was going and having meetings, flying to Detroit, flying
Speaker 1: to New York. I was trying to but I feel like,
Speaker 1: you know, the universe was like, why you keep trying this.
Speaker 1: We're trying to tell you they ain't gonna work for you. Yea.
Speaker 1: The universe would definitely pull your ass in the right
Speaker 1: direction when you were allowing Yeah, Doug, it's like you
Speaker 1: you you you do it too much now, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And I felt like, you know, once
Speaker 1: I feel like you disrespecting me, it's no more making music,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I'm good, So you don't
Speaker 1: want to with you, so you feel disrespectful, disrespect coming
Speaker 1: in at a certain point. Absolutely absolutely when I man,
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, they say Okay, it's just a phone call.
Speaker 1: To me, it's more than a phone call. If I
Speaker 1: if I come to the table with a seven figure deal,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And you don't even have
Speaker 1: the respect for me to return my phone call. And
Speaker 1: we got seven figures on the table, and you think
Speaker 1: it's funny because see, they always say that I was
Speaker 1: always doing a deal. O this nigga crook, always doing
Speaker 1: a deal. That's the fucking way that I survived this game.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I don't got top ten
Speaker 1: hits and all that type of ship. I've been hustling
Speaker 1: my whole time. I gotta keep making the money. I
Speaker 1: gotta keep keep making shift flip. Like you said, I
Speaker 1: can't rely on y'all reputation me for me how to
Speaker 1: do something. My way of surviving in this game is
Speaker 1: I gotta keep making connections and shit, some niggas want
Speaker 1: you to just ride out on you. Let's just what
Speaker 1: the fuck is that phone on my ear on the
Speaker 1: tour bus? What y'all need? Y'all need some murder? A right? Cool?
Speaker 1: That's coming? What's going on over here? Oh? You want
Speaker 1: a verse from Royal? All right? Cool? Royce. They just
Speaker 1: they go on a verse. He got them to money
Speaker 1: and Yo, I'm doing that type of shit, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And so when I brought the money
Speaker 1: to the table, it was really it was really something
Speaker 1: to test everything out. The money was real, the deal
Speaker 1: was real, or my MoMA, they had the money rating
Speaker 1: for us, you know what I'm saying. But Joe was like,
Speaker 1: I'm not calling it. I ain't talking to him. He
Speaker 1: kept seeing Royce at me, and I start getting frustrated
Speaker 1: because I'm like just a grown man. He needed to
Speaker 1: get on the phone with me because if he because
Speaker 1: he didn't want to do the deal. If you don't
Speaker 1: want to do the deal, tell me why, Maybe maybe
Speaker 1: I could fucking go in there and get you what
Speaker 1: you want. You want more money because you got a
Speaker 1: popping podcast. All right, We're gonna get you more money
Speaker 1: because you got a popping podcast. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: What you need, you feel me? But he wouldn't even
Speaker 1: get on the phone with me, and I started feeling
Speaker 1: like Royce was enabling that disrespect by calling me and
Speaker 1: calling me and being the middleman. Quit enabling that guy
Speaker 1: until I got to jump on the phone on his
Speaker 1: own phone, hand to his own business. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, because I so. It just became to the
Speaker 1: point where I was like, you know what, I got
Speaker 1: a whole lot of love for Royce, but I gotta
Speaker 1: move away from this situation because that was the final
Speaker 1: strong I was like dog And it ended up being
Speaker 1: a blessing that I did not do it. Because after
Speaker 1: I made The Rise and Fall, a Slaughterhouse album with
Speaker 1: Joel Ortiz, more information started coming out and people was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this happened, and that happened. You didn't know that this happened.
Speaker 1: You didn't know this deal. You wasn't part of this deal.
Speaker 1: You didn't like all the people that was in the
Speaker 1: Slaughterhouse universe that was doing business with Slaughterhouse. They start
Speaker 1: revealing things to me that I never even knew. So
Speaker 1: I was already getting bad treatment without even fucking knowing it.
Speaker 1: You feel me. So it was like, you know what,
Speaker 1: this was a good thing. It helped my mental health
Speaker 1: a whole lot. I felt stress free after we you know, said, yo,
Speaker 1: it's a ramp on this. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Me and Joel jumped into booth. We put out two albums.
Speaker 1: We got an EP coming out and it probably like
Speaker 1: a next Friday, so it's like we're back recording, having
Speaker 1: fun with each other, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: it was just one of those life life lessons. Dog
Speaker 1: is just a life lesson, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And it's you know, I wish I wish Royce all
Speaker 1: the success in the world, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And I don't want no harm to come to Joe.
Speaker 1: I ran into Joe if I wanted to take off
Speaker 1: on them, Joe, I had the perfect opportunity. I ran
Speaker 1: into him in Jersey at the hotel, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. After all this shit, we sat down and talked.
Speaker 1: My main message I wanted to tell him was get
Speaker 1: back to your boy maul Man because what happened with
Speaker 1: him and Mall I just didn't like that, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And I'm like, ma, I saw what
Speaker 1: Maul did for you. I saw how Maul had Joe back.
Speaker 1: I saw how he was in the trenches with you.
Speaker 1: So for that thing unravel, how to unravel and what happened,
Speaker 1: you need to make that right with mam Man. You
Speaker 1: need to make that right with mom, So you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, I told him how it felt. I got
Speaker 1: my bars off, like, Yo, my nigga, y'all niggas, y'all
Speaker 1: thought sh was funny. Y'all was disrespecting. I get uncomfortable
Speaker 1: with niggas is disrespecting me. Yeah, yeah, don't you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, like the fun with funny niggas. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just just letting me know from the gate so we
Speaker 1: can just cut it. Don't be phony with me and
Speaker 1: come into the studio and recording this shit. Just just
Speaker 1: kick it off from the gate. Then we ain't gonna
Speaker 1: have no animosity in the future. And I can go
Speaker 1: ahead and do what I gotta do. But some niggas
Speaker 1: want to play you sometimes and they want to test
Speaker 1: your manhood, but test to see what you about period,
Speaker 1: because you know, you want to stand up nigga for yourself,
Speaker 1: that's what that be. And some niggas just don't like
Speaker 1: that ship. And then I say, we all come from
Speaker 1: the same ship because we all trying to eat together
Speaker 1: and get it in. But it's just some niggas who
Speaker 1: feel like they just above you. Don't give a fuck. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm just you get me when you gotta dicking balls
Speaker 1: just like me, nigga. But some niggas just feel like,
Speaker 1: because my pocket book might be a bit little bit bigger,
Speaker 1: that they should get more respect or whatever. And I
Speaker 1: have to tell niggas all the time, money don't buy
Speaker 1: you respect, motherfucker. Yeah never you get now where we
Speaker 1: come from, at least you give no none at all
Speaker 1: where we come from. It don't give a fuck. You
Speaker 1: could have been the biggest dog dealer in the hood,
Speaker 1: all the low lows and everything, and there'd be a
Speaker 1: nigga around the corner who ain't got ship to come
Speaker 1: along and pop your motherfucking ass. That I'm looking at
Speaker 1: niggas content of their character, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: That's when I'm looking at I'm just looking at the
Speaker 1: content of the character. It sounds like somewhere along the
Speaker 1: way you got real personal dog. And you know, when
Speaker 1: you impacting other people's livelihoods, he can't. It already has
Speaker 1: a tendency to have that funny feeling to it. It's
Speaker 1: already touch you situation. But when somebody purposely doing that, dog, well,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying, dog like you know, it just
Speaker 1: was one of them situations and I mean it was
Speaker 1: good while it lasted, you know, but all good things
Speaker 1: must come to an end, and all bad things must
Speaker 1: definitely come to an end. Well you know what man saying.
Speaker 1: So that was one of them bad things that just
Speaker 1: needed to happen. And she don't last forever. She gonna
Speaker 1: come to an end. Eventually, everything comes to an every
Speaker 1: everything and ship came la, whether it's good or bad.
Speaker 1: One of these days it's gonna be time to sh
Speaker 1: and do something else. If that show, that show called,
Speaker 1: you know, and even sometimes when some ship gets bigger,
Speaker 1: it evolves and the different ship. Then stuff happens though,
Speaker 1: especially entertainment, dog, Yeah, especially entertainment. Man. But I want
Speaker 1: to kick this off to some more positive stuff dog,
Speaker 1: because you've got a lot of positive shit going on.
Speaker 1: Congratulations on that final drop that you just did or
Speaker 1: it up good looking, man looking, And if I don't
Speaker 1: drop that, you just did it man, and you have
Speaker 1: an incredible podcast man, who I'm proud to say. Man,
Speaker 1: you know we're doing some business amazing things together, me
Speaker 1: and you and my boy Chris Moral over at law Speakers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're doing something to make it big man. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about that because you one of the only guys I
Speaker 1: know they was able to get the Eminem sit down
Speaker 1: and then Depth Eminem sit Down. Yeah, it was dope,
Speaker 1: and they used they used the piece of that conversation
Speaker 1: that I have with himinem Um on the program when
Speaker 1: he was inducted to the Rocket Roll. How I saw that,
Speaker 1: Congratulations on that man. That that really made me feel
Speaker 1: cool because I know that a lot of my ship
Speaker 1: ain't clickbait, and you know, it's kind of hard to
Speaker 1: compete with all these niggas that's out here gossiping talking shit.
Speaker 1: Oh believe me, I knew you know what I'm saying, um,
Speaker 1: So you know, to see it rise to that level,
Speaker 1: let me know that I was doing the right thing.
Speaker 1: But yeah, man, Crook's corner. Like I started, I started
Speaker 1: off with COB Radio. I had CB Radio with DJ
Speaker 1: Ski before a podcast to start blowing up, before the
Speaker 1: podcast game blew up. I had COB Radio and I
Speaker 1: did that for like a year and I liked it,
Speaker 1: but it was too much. I was doing music, I
Speaker 1: was touring, I had smarterhouses. This commitment. Sure, it was
Speaker 1: a whole lot of shit. So I was like, you
Speaker 1: know what, I'm gonna put that down for now. But
Speaker 1: when I came back with Crook's Corner, I was just
Speaker 1: at the crib one day and I was like, damn, man,
Speaker 1: I need to talk to people about what I love.
Speaker 1: I love this hip hop shit. Let's talk about rap.
Speaker 1: So I just start getting on my ig and talk
Speaker 1: it to everybody in the room. I don't care if
Speaker 1: it was a hundred people, two hundred people. And we
Speaker 1: just started talking about rap music and hip hop and
Speaker 1: all that shit. And I let them come on my
Speaker 1: live and we'll just have a discussion. And I called
Speaker 1: it Crook's Corner, and then that elevated to go on
Speaker 1: U Hip Hop DX. You know what I'm saying, and
Speaker 1: doing Crooks Corner over there visually with you know, interviewing people,
Speaker 1: you know, E forty, Jermaine dupri you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: all these people. And then you know, when I left
Speaker 1: DX and did it myself, it kept on getting bigger
Speaker 1: and bigger, you know what I'm saying. So I ended up,
Speaker 1: you know, with the Snoop interview. Then I ended up
Speaker 1: with the Marshall interview. Sauce M was out here because
Speaker 1: for fifty he was doing something with fifty, and you know,
Speaker 1: he was like, Yo, I'm being in town. Let's sit
Speaker 1: down or let's do this, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So I was like cool because I know he don't
Speaker 1: give a lot of people interviews. Oh yeah, for sure,
Speaker 1: I'm saying, I haven't never seen an Eminem interview. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they you know, he don't give a lot of interviews.
Speaker 1: So he felt real comfortable because we just talked tip hop.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. It's like, Yo, he's just
Speaker 1: gonna talk some rap. We did it a record one
Speaker 1: that's you know, Doctor Dre Studio, and you know it
Speaker 1: was a dope thing. His fans says, one of the
Speaker 1: best Eminem interviews they ever seen, And that's I'm looking
Speaker 1: for that kind of stuff because I'm artist and I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to come into this space like yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: a music journalist. I'm not. You know, I'm coming into
Speaker 1: this space as somebody who love hip hop, and like,
Speaker 1: there's a fan first, and then that makes motherfucker's comfortable
Speaker 1: with you because they know it's going to just be
Speaker 1: a straight up conversation about about shit that's just straight up.
Speaker 1: You know, I ain't gotta worry about no curve balls.
Speaker 1: I ain't gotta worry about no hidding agendas, none of that. R.
Speaker 1: This is a nigga like me who's a fan of
Speaker 1: hip hop, and we're gonna get up here and talk
Speaker 1: about some hip hop and how far back and what's
Speaker 1: your love and when you got into it? And and
Speaker 1: that makes a motherfucker like him probably comfortable, especially knowing
Speaker 1: you and dealing with you and knowing that you're just
Speaker 1: not the typical motherfucking rap journalist type of shit. You
Speaker 1: feel absolutely bro. Yeah, he was in there having a blast, man.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. We was bringing up all
Speaker 1: the old school shit. He's rapping trench lyrics and everything.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. It's just like that's that's
Speaker 1: the vibe that I like to bring to the table. Man.
Speaker 1: So you know, I'm happy that we're partnering up and
Speaker 1: we're about to do We're about to bring it back,
Speaker 1: even even man, they don't even know what's going down. Dog,
Speaker 1: it's about to go crazy. We're about to go crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we are about to man do some amazing things. Man. Well, man,
Speaker 1: like they say y'all good things. We just say that
Speaker 1: everything wants come to an end at some point in. Yeah,
Speaker 1: at some point, I'd love to sit here because we
Speaker 1: around and sit here. Dog, we wunna be going another
Speaker 1: two or three hours. Oh yeah, all the time. I
Speaker 1: already know you know, I appreciate you coming to sit
Speaker 1: down with us, man, and everybody. Makes sure. Man, if
Speaker 1: you're not doing it already, make sure y'all go follow
Speaker 1: Fruck's Twitter. Fuck that has one of the most twitters
Speaker 1: I've ever seen. Dog. I think you and Glasses Malone
Speaker 1: is the most Twitter and motherfuckers I've never seen in
Speaker 1: my life. Yeah, hey, man, that's what it's here for.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Like, listen, man, I tell
Speaker 1: all my homies that that's in the music industry. Don't
Speaker 1: be that person that come around with your hand out.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Don't be that person that
Speaker 1: only every time I see you you want something for
Speaker 1: me exactly. That's what you're doing as an artist if
Speaker 1: you're not talking to the people. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Talk to the people. Don't just go on Twitter where
Speaker 1: you were gonna want them to download your single, buy
Speaker 1: your merch and all that. Go talk to him on
Speaker 1: a regular basis, create a community and that's what we did.
Speaker 1: We created a community on Twitter, the rap connoisseurs. Shout
Speaker 1: out to the rap connoisseurs, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: And we just talk rap every single day. And you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, we have all of the questions,
Speaker 1: the crazy questions, and everybody jump in. Man, you just
Speaker 1: you don't ever know a senator might jump into the
Speaker 1: conversation real quick, you know what I mean, because they
Speaker 1: just let like that. So that's Crooking and Thriago, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Hit me at Crooking and Thriago.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. We could talk rapp all day.
Speaker 1: That's what we do. Hit me on Facebook, King Crooked,
Speaker 1: ig King Crooked everywhere. Discord Chris Corner, if you're on Discord,
Speaker 1: Chris Corner, you know what I mean, come in. We
Speaker 1: get real busy in there because we got some secret
Speaker 1: rooms in Discord where we could really talk that talk.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. That nobody ain't all you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, that real exclusive shit. So yeah,
Speaker 1: hit me on there, man, and just come fuck with
Speaker 1: me Facebook all that shit. You know what I'm saying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure, and go get that and go support that
Speaker 1: final and they I just saw you just drop some
Speaker 1: ship too, didn't you. I didn't drop ship, but I'll
Speaker 1: be seeing all kinds of new ship coming out. I'm
Speaker 1: working on ship right now. You know. Um, I'll just
Speaker 1: be doing shit, man. I still got a love for studio.
Speaker 1: I still got love for writing shit like that, So
Speaker 1: I don't still love hearing. Yeah, I'll still be trying
Speaker 1: to create. I'm working on some ship right now. My
Speaker 1: boy robbed T over there mixing down, so I might
Speaker 1: have a project or two in the works. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It's just a love of hip hop.
Speaker 1: Like you said, it's just the love it and it
Speaker 1: ain't really about you know. You know, everybody gets in
Speaker 1: this ship to make money, right, but where it starts
Speaker 1: is you gotta have the love and the heart for
Speaker 1: it first, you know what I'm saying. And that's how
Speaker 1: I'm able to sustain and able to still be able
Speaker 1: to go in the studio and do shit, listen to
Speaker 1: new artists and listen to you know what's happening, because
Speaker 1: it's just in the heart. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Ain't always about trying to check the dollars, just trying
Speaker 1: to do something. You love, you know what I feel.
Speaker 1: That's why we're sitting here right now. Hey, dog, while
Speaker 1: we're here, I gotta say it bro the West Coast,
Speaker 1: right we talk about Chronic album, we talk about Doggie Style.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying When we're talking about some
Speaker 1: of the staple albums to ever come out of the
Speaker 1: West Coast Man Music to Drive By, It's one of
Speaker 1: them albums, period, point fucking blank. It's one of those
Speaker 1: albums that you gotta mention in the same breath with.
Speaker 1: Nobody does it better. Nobody could do it better DC.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Like I said, Chronic, Doggie Style,
Speaker 1: all that shit, you know what I mean? Like that
Speaker 1: motherfuckers shifted to the game? Music is so classic? Is
Speaker 1: it aged perfectly? You could play that ship right now
Speaker 1: and that shit sounds great, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1: Like Unknown and slipping you and all man Man listened, though.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've been ryding. I'm gonna have my little
Speaker 1: fan moment. I don't give a fuck. I've been ryding
Speaker 1: with CMW since motherfucking uh most wanted punk rolling folk?
Speaker 1: Who's that playing all that up? The rhymes too funky?
Speaker 1: That's the whole thing. So my whole thing is this man,
Speaker 1: we only West. I got Chris Corner. That's a rap
Speaker 1: media platform. I'm gonna really start introducing these people out
Speaker 1: there in the culture to the ship that really made
Speaker 1: me who I am. You know what I'm saying on
Speaker 1: that microphone. You know what I'm saying. And the ship
Speaker 1: that moved our coast tremendously that sometimes is not mentioned. Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1: And and I want to say, you know, coming from
Speaker 1: your generation, it's a little younger than minds. A lot
Speaker 1: of people think we as older artists, don't accept the
Speaker 1: younger generation, and it's far from the truth. When people
Speaker 1: recognize what we had to endure as artists coming out,
Speaker 1: you give me. They didn't want shit like they especially
Speaker 1: didn't want the nwas and the cmws. It was hard
Speaker 1: for us to get recognition, especially following the footsteps of
Speaker 1: you know, those originals from the East. You know, the
Speaker 1: Grandmaster Flashes and krs's and the public enemies and you
Speaker 1: know the just ices and those type of motherfuckers that
Speaker 1: set the foundation show going way back, way back. We
Speaker 1: grew up on what we knew on the West coast.
Speaker 1: Get me and for a lot of us youngsters. You know,
Speaker 1: we knew hard times. You know, we knew police brutality,
Speaker 1: we knew homies getting killed, we knew you know, strawberry bitches,
Speaker 1: fucking different niggas from the neighborhood, setting niggas up. You know,
Speaker 1: we went through that depression hit me, so it's what
Speaker 1: we spoke on. So a lot of niggas didn't recognize
Speaker 1: us for being true mcs. And that's why that was crazy,
Speaker 1: because we have y'allways hard y'all was man, listen, dog
Speaker 1: and and and when I came in, I had to
Speaker 1: continue that fight because a lot of times when I
Speaker 1: was on the East, they'd be like, yeah, man, you
Speaker 1: got bars. You don't rap like you from the West.
Speaker 1: I'll be like, no, I do rap like a from Definitely,
Speaker 1: y'all just haven't heard the West. And because we had
Speaker 1: so much diverse, we had so much diversity, and you know,
Speaker 1: you always had that respected pen. I mean even like
Speaker 1: you was in cream video, right. Yeah, So when I
Speaker 1: saw that, that's when I said, they get it. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: definitely they get it. You know what I'm saying. I've
Speaker 1: always been a true fan of East Coast rap. And
Speaker 1: then uh just going back and just trying to solidify
Speaker 1: West Coast ship with niggas. I build reputations with dudes
Speaker 1: like Premo and and Nas and Buster and Tratch and
Speaker 1: so I used to get respect going out there a lot.
Speaker 1: So it enabled me to blend in and and just
Speaker 1: niggas were just hitting me eight plus you ask it.
Speaker 1: Plus you had some of the loops before they even
Speaker 1: touched them. Yes, just get that part. That part definitely, yeah,
Speaker 1: that part, you know what I'm saying, Like I know,
Speaker 1: I know y'all was digging it in print. Slip was dead.
Speaker 1: We wanted to be different, Yeah, you know, the average
Speaker 1: regular sounds. So that's where that came from. With all
Speaker 1: the shit that this nigga got, you know, was still
Speaker 1: my favorite shit. Ill no, this is my favorite ship.
Speaker 1: Pussy's so good that I can't even feel it, but
Speaker 1: I'm still killing. That was my ship right there, the
Speaker 1: three with that ship, ride down the three with that
Speaker 1: ship right there, like because he made you feel like
Speaker 1: you was in Compton, like you was just rolling around.
Speaker 1: And that's what I just talked for the average nigga
Speaker 1: because unlike other I don't know, I don't want to
Speaker 1: speak on other artists. But like other I was in
Speaker 1: the fucking streets every day. Yeah I was. I was
Speaker 1: in the streets every day. And even though I was
Speaker 1: rapping and making videos and going on shows and touring,
Speaker 1: you know, I still represented Compton as hard as I could.
Speaker 1: So I was in the streets like fuck it, you know,
Speaker 1: no security, no bodyguards, just just the homies, no riders
Speaker 1: and fuck getting hanging on the block. And that's where
Speaker 1: I got my motherfucking tales from the hood, so to speaking,
Speaker 1: that experience, but you had you could have said it
Speaker 1: in any kind of way. The style your star wars fresh.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to be different than and did because,
Speaker 1: like I said, when you're listening to rap, you're hearing
Speaker 1: everybody's styles and everybody this and that, and I just
Speaker 1: felt like I wanted to represent my section in a
Speaker 1: different way. And then the thing was too bro. And
Speaker 1: this is what always talking about last week in a
Speaker 1: parking lot. You don't you never really wrapped over phone.
Speaker 1: Your ship was more of you've noticed that. I was
Speaker 1: more of a storyteller like I didn't. But as far
Speaker 1: as the fun after the West was heavily yeah, I did.
Speaker 1: Like like you said, slip with digging the crates for shit.
Speaker 1: So we wanted to We wanted those sounds that was
Speaker 1: different from what you would typically here coming from a
Speaker 1: West Coast artist at that time, you know, everybody was
Speaker 1: really Parliament, Funkadlis, George Clinton, uh Zap. Everything was Boo
Speaker 1: Shop Shop. You know. That was kind of like the
Speaker 1: just the one two for the West Coast. He was
Speaker 1: just a musical dude. And like you said, Slip was
Speaker 1: the type of dude when we would go on tour
Speaker 1: places he would always find record stores and go to
Speaker 1: different stores and he would just fiddle. He would fiddle, fiddle,
Speaker 1: fiddle and find some of the craziest fucking album covers
Speaker 1: and pull it out and just look at it and
Speaker 1: be like, I'm gonna find something on this. And that
Speaker 1: was him. He was a motherfucking chop king like a motherfucker.
Speaker 1: But you know what, though, dog, we kept our heart
Speaker 1: and we still do. We keep we keep close to
Speaker 1: the heartbeat of hip hop, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And I think that that's the reason why we're able
Speaker 1: to still sit here. I'm two decades plus in myself
Speaker 1: right now, you know what I'm saying, And it's like
Speaker 1: stay close to the heartbeat of hip hop, man, And
Speaker 1: that's what we do. Dog. And that's crazy, man, you
Speaker 1: know because shout out Chill. You know, I didn't had
Speaker 1: these conversations with Chill all night, you know what I'm saying, Man,
Speaker 1: Like y'all niggas crafted us and then we said, all right,
Speaker 1: they did that. Now we gotta be different, definitely, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. But we talking the same shit,
Speaker 1: just in different ways, you know what I'm saying. Like
Speaker 1: our stories. You know, we got a lot in comment,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But when you grow up
Speaker 1: in this motherfucker, man, everything is gonna be the same.
Speaker 1: It might be told through different eyes, but shit, we
Speaker 1: all came from the block, and we all experienced and
Speaker 1: seeing what happens on the fucking block, whether you're claiming it,
Speaker 1: banging it, or you're just living there and see the experiences.
Speaker 1: So it's just the evolution of what I saw and
Speaker 1: now you seeing and then the youngsters that's there right now, basice.
Speaker 1: But shit, it's the same motherfucking block. Man, It's the
Speaker 1: same same game, different players the same block. Yeah, y'all
Speaker 1: get ready, you're gonna do something, man, Let's go that's
Speaker 1: what the deals, and we out of here.