WEBVTT - Weirdhouse Cinema: Deerskin 0:00:02.440 --> 0:00:05.519 Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:13.200 --> 0:00:16.880 Hello, and welcome to Weird House Cinema. My name is 0:00:17.000 --> 0:00:20.279 Joe McCormick. My regular co host Robert Lamb is out 0:00:20.280 --> 0:00:23.919 today and so sitting in the guest co host chair 0:00:24.640 --> 0:00:27.400 we have and I'm so excited to welcome him onto 0:00:27.440 --> 0:00:29.680 the side of the mic for the first time. Our 0:00:30.040 --> 0:00:34.240 longtime audio producer JJ Posway. Jj. How you doing? Man? 0:00:34.800 --> 0:00:38.240 Hey doing pretty well? How are you, Joe? I'm doing great. 0:00:39.280 --> 0:00:42.640 To be honest, actually I'm incredibly tired, but I'm not 0:00:45.159 --> 0:00:46.880 but I think we're gonna have a great time today. 0:00:46.920 --> 0:00:50.879 I'm truly, genuinely so excited for you to come on 0:00:50.920 --> 0:00:52.600 the show. We've been talking about doing this for a 0:00:52.640 --> 0:00:56.200 while and I'm glad we're doing it with a weird 0:00:56.240 --> 0:00:59.720 House pick. So today on Weird House Cinema, we're going 0:00:59.760 --> 0:01:03.480 to be talking about a movie that you selected, and 0:01:03.520 --> 0:01:08.120 that is the twenty nineteen French black comedy Deer Skin, 0:01:08.319 --> 0:01:12.840 directed by about to say a French name, Quentin Depew. 0:01:13.160 --> 0:01:14.400 How's that yeah? 0:01:14.480 --> 0:01:17.119 I think that's probably about how I'm going to say 0:01:17.160 --> 0:01:22.480 it too. It's okay, Quantin Depew, Quanton dep I'll probably 0:01:22.560 --> 0:01:23.520 say Quentin Depew. 0:01:23.680 --> 0:01:26.600 Yeah, in English, it looks like Quintin, so Quentin might 0:01:26.600 --> 0:01:30.839 say Quentin Depew. So I had never seen a movie 0:01:30.920 --> 0:01:34.320 by this filmmaker before. Obviously this is more recent than 0:01:34.319 --> 0:01:36.280 a lot of the films we cover, but nothing wrong 0:01:36.319 --> 0:01:38.800 with that. So what got you excited about Deer Skin? 0:01:38.800 --> 0:01:40.480 What's your relationship with this movie? 0:01:40.959 --> 0:01:43.720 To be completely honest, it's when I only watched a 0:01:43.760 --> 0:01:46.640 couple of weeks ago. I have a couple of friends 0:01:46.760 --> 0:01:50.920 named Ian and Terrence who have watched most of Depew's movies, 0:01:50.960 --> 0:01:54.600 and they started introducing me to his work, and at 0:01:54.640 --> 0:01:56.760 this point of watched like five or six of them. 0:01:57.600 --> 0:02:01.640 They're absurd and surreal. There are a lot of on coincidentally, 0:02:02.120 --> 0:02:05.960 last week watching the movie incredible but true. I thought 0:02:06.000 --> 0:02:08.120 one of his movies would make a good Weird House 0:02:08.120 --> 0:02:11.440 Cinema episode, and I definitely recommend that one, but Deer 0:02:11.440 --> 0:02:14.200 Skin kind of felt like the best fit for an 0:02:14.200 --> 0:02:15.240 episode of Weird House. 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:18.480 Well, I'm glad you picked this one because I loved it. 0:02:18.520 --> 0:02:22.160 I thought it was really weird and funny, just fantastic. 0:02:23.240 --> 0:02:27.359 I liked the pathetic, understated sense of humor in it, 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:30.840 and yeah, kind of. It's the kind of absurd groove 0:02:30.960 --> 0:02:33.360 that it gets into. I think you probably know what 0:02:33.400 --> 0:02:36.400 I mean by this. The pacing of the increase in 0:02:36.480 --> 0:02:39.600 absurdity is really exquisite here. 0:02:40.040 --> 0:02:40.600 Absolutely. 0:02:40.680 --> 0:02:40.840 Yeah. 0:02:40.840 --> 0:02:44.200 It's slow but steady, and I think groove is the 0:02:44.320 --> 0:02:47.920 right word. There is like a strange musicality to it. 0:02:48.160 --> 0:02:51.520 Yeah, not to It actually has good music in it. Oh, 0:02:51.560 --> 0:02:55.040 It's not like a musical movie that's like dominated by 0:02:55.080 --> 0:02:57.919 musical motifs, but it has like a few recurring things 0:02:57.960 --> 0:03:01.119 like these ominous horns that come in, these little bleats 0:03:01.160 --> 0:03:04.240 every now and then that are just kind of sound 0:03:04.360 --> 0:03:07.000 like something's wrong. But sometimes it's just when it's a 0:03:07.000 --> 0:03:11.840 guy looking in a mirror. Yeah, yeah, now, incredible but true. 0:03:12.320 --> 0:03:15.919 That's another depew movie. That's the one with the robot penis. 0:03:15.960 --> 0:03:17.200 We're not talking about that one. 0:03:17.320 --> 0:03:20.680 Yeah, that one didn't seem right for the show, but 0:03:20.760 --> 0:03:22.840 I do highly recommend that one. That one has a 0:03:22.880 --> 0:03:25.760 little more of a like a sci fi thing going on, 0:03:26.040 --> 0:03:28.320 if you could call it that. I think it's a 0:03:28.360 --> 0:03:32.280 really good primer. But every movie I've seen of his 0:03:32.440 --> 0:03:37.760 has been really great and pretty. He's got a consistent tone. 0:03:38.240 --> 0:03:43.080 I read this letterboxed review of Incredible but True, and 0:03:43.120 --> 0:03:46.760 it was actually a disparaging review. But the way they 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:51.600 started off I thought was pretty apt in calling Depew 0:03:51.640 --> 0:03:55.280 a premise generator. Yeah, and I think he's really great 0:03:55.320 --> 0:03:59.400 at these just absurd premises, setting them up and letting 0:03:59.440 --> 0:04:01.880 them play out for usually like an hour and fifteen 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:04.920 minutes or so. They're not often long movies. 0:04:06.080 --> 0:04:07.880 So I guess we could go ahead and say what 0:04:08.160 --> 0:04:12.040 the absurd premise of Deer Skin is? How would I 0:04:12.040 --> 0:04:15.600 put it? I'd say it's about a kind of pathetic 0:04:15.720 --> 0:04:18.680 middle aged man who goes through some sort of personal 0:04:18.720 --> 0:04:25.000 crisis and becomes enamored of a new deer skin motorcycle 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:28.400 jacket that he paid too much money for. And as 0:04:28.720 --> 0:04:31.400 his love affair with this jacket and how he looks 0:04:31.400 --> 0:04:36.000 in it deepens, it goes to increasingly bizarre places, and 0:04:36.040 --> 0:04:39.760 he eventually becomes a co conspirator with the jacket, and 0:04:39.800 --> 0:04:43.800 they together decide that they must eliminate all other jacket 0:04:43.800 --> 0:04:46.960 wearing phenomena from planet Earth, and this will be the 0:04:46.960 --> 0:04:50.719 only jacket human duo that should be allowed to exist. 0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:52.360 I think that's a great summary. 0:04:52.640 --> 0:04:58.080 Okay, now, having only seen this, depu film. I can 0:04:58.120 --> 0:05:02.560 see how somebody might describe his style as premise generator, 0:05:03.160 --> 0:05:07.960 because while the I think you could call this the 0:05:08.040 --> 0:05:12.440 style of filmmaking like absurdist or absurd comedy, it's actually, 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:17.719 I think quite logical. It's just a very B follows, 0:05:17.760 --> 0:05:22.680 a C follows, be kind of logical progression pursuing this 0:05:22.800 --> 0:05:26.720 absurd premise where if you take the absurd premise on, 0:05:28.080 --> 0:05:31.600 everything just kind of flows and it makes sense totally. 0:05:32.480 --> 0:05:34.359 There's a quote I want to share later that I 0:05:34.400 --> 0:05:40.000 think Get said that same sentiment, and Yeah, what is 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:43.240 so fun about it is the just the slow ratcheting 0:05:43.320 --> 0:05:45.080 up of that absurdity. 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:48.080 Another thing I want to establish here at the top. 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:53.200 It is hard not to see the main characters increasingly 0:05:53.360 --> 0:05:58.760 bizarre and toxic relationship with his leather jacket as having 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:04.000 something to do with the way lonely people become obsessed 0:06:04.040 --> 0:06:07.480 with things. And I feel like this is something I've 0:06:07.520 --> 0:06:10.000 seen in my life has happened with people I know. 0:06:10.200 --> 0:06:13.159 In fact, I can feel little threads of it in 0:06:13.160 --> 0:06:15.880 myself at different times in my life, the way that 0:06:16.600 --> 0:06:21.640 when you feel kind of alienated or you are lacking 0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:27.160 in a rich, well entangled, you know, sense of human 0:06:27.200 --> 0:06:30.800 connections and human networks. When you're lacking in friendship and 0:06:30.880 --> 0:06:34.039 family life and stuff like that, it seems like maybe 0:06:34.080 --> 0:06:38.480 you are more prone to find a new thing and 0:06:38.520 --> 0:06:42.800 then make that thing your entire personality. This is like 0:06:42.960 --> 0:06:46.840 all you know, I've discovered that. Now I'm into a 0:06:46.880 --> 0:06:50.359 new hobby or a new artist that I like or 0:06:50.400 --> 0:06:52.960 something like that, and that's literally all I can think 0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:56.200 and talk about, and all subject matter is now I 0:06:56.279 --> 0:06:57.680 now relate back to this thing. 0:06:58.600 --> 0:07:03.000 Yeah. I agree with that completely, and I think Depew 0:07:03.120 --> 0:07:06.160 from what I've read, has a similar view. 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:09.680 Oh okay, well, maybe we'll get into that as we 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:13.120 go along. Elevator pitch. I guess I've already given the 0:07:13.200 --> 0:07:18.120 straightforward description of what happens in the movie thematic Elevator pitches. 0:07:18.120 --> 0:07:23.120 I'd say it's a film about loneliness, falsity, and authenticity, obsession, 0:07:23.440 --> 0:07:27.440 and of course killer style, both in the earnest and 0:07:27.520 --> 0:07:28.440 the ironic sense. 0:07:28.800 --> 0:07:31.640 Absolutely. Yeah, all right, we're going to play a little 0:07:31.640 --> 0:07:33.200 bit of the trailer audio. 0:07:51.920 --> 0:08:44.040 Well, now, j J. 0:08:44.160 --> 0:08:47.760 We we kind of had to put this episode together fast, 0:08:47.760 --> 0:08:50.120 so I ended up streaming the movie. But you were 0:08:50.160 --> 0:08:51.520 able to get ahold of a disc. 0:08:51.880 --> 0:08:55.719 Yeah, I rented from Video Drome here in Atlanta. It's 0:08:55.760 --> 0:08:58.040 also available on Apple and Amazon Prime. 0:08:58.120 --> 0:09:01.400 Though now, as usual on a Weird House Cinema episode, 0:09:01.400 --> 0:09:03.640 we're gonna end up discussing the plot in a lot 0:09:03.640 --> 0:09:06.560 of detail. So if you haven't seen the movie and 0:09:06.760 --> 0:09:10.400 you want to see Deer Skin without knowing everything in advance, 0:09:10.440 --> 0:09:12.800 there are some fun surprises in it. Here is your 0:09:12.800 --> 0:09:15.640 warning pause the episode. Here, go watch the movie first. 0:09:16.360 --> 0:09:18.160 But if you think you'll never see it, or you 0:09:18.240 --> 0:09:20.960 just don't care, if we describe the whole story in advance, 0:09:21.640 --> 0:09:32.760 let's plow right on ahead. All right, Well, let's move 0:09:32.760 --> 0:09:35.120 on and talk about the connections and discuss some of 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:37.880 the key people involved. I think you had some stuff 0:09:37.920 --> 0:09:44.520 on Quinton Depew, the director writer also, I think yes, he's. 0:09:44.480 --> 0:09:50.679 The director, writer, cinematographer and editor. Depew's a French filmmaker 0:09:50.800 --> 0:09:54.360 a musician. He makes music under the name mister Waso 0:09:54.760 --> 0:09:57.600 and put out his first EP in nineteen ninety seven 0:09:57.800 --> 0:10:01.240 via the label f Communications. A few years later, in 0:10:01.280 --> 0:10:03.920 nineteen ninety nine, he'd released a single called flat Beat, 0:10:04.080 --> 0:10:07.280 which was a hit in Europe. The music video for 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:11.320 Flatbeat was directed by De Pew himself and featured a 0:10:11.320 --> 0:10:17.040 puppet named flat Eric. De Pew created Flat Eric with 0:10:17.240 --> 0:10:21.000 Jim Henson's Creature Shop, and the puppet, as well as 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:24.200 the song flat Beat, were used in a series of 0:10:24.280 --> 0:10:26.960 Levi's commercials that he directed. 0:10:27.360 --> 0:10:29.920 What kind of animal is he? He's like a yellow 0:10:30.520 --> 0:10:34.320 dog but without ears, but with the like little beaty 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:36.199 bits of coal for eyes. 0:10:37.200 --> 0:10:41.480 Yeah, I'd say that's an app description. But also a 0:10:41.720 --> 0:10:42.200 little guy. 0:10:42.720 --> 0:10:45.400 Yeah, yeah, he's cutee. I mean is he cute or 0:10:45.480 --> 0:10:48.240 is he cruel? And does he wish me harm? 0:10:48.640 --> 0:10:52.840 I feel like that exact intersection is where his music, 0:10:52.840 --> 0:10:55.160 as mister Waso, at least the stuff I've listened to 0:10:55.400 --> 0:10:56.080 seems to. 0:10:56.000 --> 0:10:59.079 Live so I haven't listened to any mister Waso. What's 0:10:59.160 --> 0:11:01.600 the what's the style of music? Like? How would you 0:11:01.600 --> 0:11:02.520 describe it? 0:11:02.520 --> 0:11:06.640 It falls broadly under the umbrellas of like electro and house. 0:11:06.840 --> 0:11:12.120 He makes electronic music, And I mean, I think you 0:11:12.200 --> 0:11:15.520 put it best just in describing Flat Eric. There's like 0:11:15.559 --> 0:11:22.319 a very playful sinisterness. There's like always a layer of humor. 0:11:22.440 --> 0:11:24.120 Is it like in Deer Skin when there are those 0:11:24.120 --> 0:11:28.440 scenes of George sharpening the fan blade to turn it 0:11:28.480 --> 0:11:31.000 into a machete, but he's like playing with it. He's 0:11:31.040 --> 0:11:33.680 playing with the with the watermelon and just having a 0:11:33.679 --> 0:11:36.160 good time. It's like it's like a like a cute 0:11:36.240 --> 0:11:40.160 having fun montage, but he's making a Jason Vorhees implement. 0:11:40.760 --> 0:11:44.280 Yeah, yeah, kind of. I linked one of these Levi's 0:11:44.360 --> 0:11:48.360 commercials that has a I think paints a pretty good 0:11:48.400 --> 0:11:53.199 picture of flat Eric that features the song flat Beat. 0:11:53.520 --> 0:11:56.480 I'm gonna pull this up right now. Hold on, I 0:11:56.480 --> 0:12:01.120 gotta order some jeans. No, it's good. It's like, I mean, 0:12:01.120 --> 0:12:05.040 it's got that Oh, here's where I don't have the 0:12:05.160 --> 0:12:09.480 correct terminology. It's got a kind of fuzzy, malfunctioning electronics 0:12:09.520 --> 0:12:13.960 sound to the to the tones in there, there's something 0:12:13.960 --> 0:12:17.280 that sounds like a like an incomplete connection in the wiring. 0:12:18.200 --> 0:12:20.640 But also it's a little bit jaunty, you know. It's 0:12:20.720 --> 0:12:23.000 it's like something you can nod your head to. It's 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:27.600 not like, you know, industrial downbeat kind of stuff. It's fun, 0:12:27.679 --> 0:12:29.439 but but something sounds a little wrong. 0:12:29.920 --> 0:12:34.000 Yeah. Yeah, it's like a little distorted, and ultimately it's fun, 0:12:34.640 --> 0:12:38.440 but there's just like a tinge of menace to it, 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:40.880 the most playful kind of menace. 0:12:40.960 --> 0:12:44.480 Though, but also in this levice commercial, it's like a 0:12:44.520 --> 0:12:47.040 guy driving with flat Eric the puppet. They get pulled 0:12:47.040 --> 0:12:50.200 over by a cop and flat Eric quickly tries to 0:12:50.240 --> 0:12:53.439 make his car look less threatening, so he like turns 0:12:53.480 --> 0:12:56.520 around like a pin up picture, and just on the 0:12:56.559 --> 0:12:58.560 other side, it's a picture of a horse in a meadow. 0:13:01.200 --> 0:13:04.360 So he's still active as mister Waso, and some of 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:08.040 his movies have featured his music under that name, and 0:13:08.679 --> 0:13:12.600 he is always credited as mister Waso when he makes 0:13:12.679 --> 0:13:16.559 music for his movies. His first movie, titled non Film, 0:13:16.640 --> 0:13:19.000 was released in two thousand and one, but his breakthrough 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:23.320 movie was twenty ten's Rubber, a movie about assentient killer 0:13:23.360 --> 0:13:25.760 tire with psychokinetic powers. 0:13:26.160 --> 0:13:29.600 So I've never seen Rubber. I had entirely the wrong 0:13:29.679 --> 0:13:32.959 idea about what it was, though I'd seen the cover, 0:13:33.280 --> 0:13:37.760 not the movie itself, and I assumed it was a 0:13:37.920 --> 0:13:42.839 like self conscious ironic schlock comedy horror movie, something more 0:13:42.880 --> 0:13:48.520 like Sharknado in like irony zone stuff. And now I 0:13:48.559 --> 0:13:51.400 assume that's not really what it's like. It is probably 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:54.960 something a little bit closer to Deer Skin, but more 0:13:55.000 --> 0:13:56.760 firmly in the absurd horror Vein. 0:13:58.320 --> 0:14:01.440 Yeah, I think it's somewhere in between. I definitely don't 0:14:01.480 --> 0:14:05.679 think it's a full sort of Shark Nato situation. I 0:14:05.720 --> 0:14:09.800 actually watched it last night just to get a good 0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:13.280 sense of what that was, and it is closer to 0:14:14.800 --> 0:14:17.560 Deer Skin than something like Shark Nato, though I do 0:14:17.920 --> 0:14:23.720 feel like I kind of prefer where he goes after Rubber. 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:27.080 Okay, so that's not his peak. It's not all downhill 0:14:27.080 --> 0:14:27.760 from there. 0:14:28.600 --> 0:14:30.440 At least, you know, in my opinion, But I think 0:14:30.480 --> 0:14:33.760 that that's one that he's pretty well known for, and 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:35.920 it was the first of four films he'd make in America, 0:14:36.040 --> 0:14:39.880 followed by twenty twelve's Wrong, twenty thirteen's Wrong Cops, and 0:14:39.960 --> 0:14:43.640 twenty fourteen's Reality. He returned to France after the release 0:14:43.640 --> 0:14:46.240 of Reality and put out his first film produced there 0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:50.560 in twenty eighteen. He's been pretty prolific since, sometimes releasing 0:14:50.640 --> 0:14:53.280 multiple movies a year, with his most recent at the 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:56.560 time of recording being The Piano Accident, which was just 0:14:56.680 --> 0:15:00.640 released in France a couple weeks ago. The writer Savina 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:03.600 Petkova has a piece on Deer Skin from twenty twenty 0:15:03.640 --> 0:15:07.040 one on the publication The Quietest that I think aptly 0:15:07.080 --> 0:15:10.680 describes to Pew's appeal when she writes his films are 0:15:10.720 --> 0:15:15.520 laden with characters, situations, and spoofs that produce a hypnogogic effect, 0:15:16.040 --> 0:15:19.760 but the reality status is never questioned. Deer Skin represents 0:15:19.800 --> 0:15:23.560 the opposite of skepticism in relation to the uncanny, a 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:27.000 film that gladly jumps on the bandwagon of unforeseen ideas 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:28.800 with an ease that resembles a dream. 0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:32.880 Yeah. I could agree with that there is something dream 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:36.880 like about it, but not in every way. One of 0:15:36.920 --> 0:15:39.200 the we sort of got into this earlier. But one 0:15:39.200 --> 0:15:41.520 of the ways I would say it is not like 0:15:41.600 --> 0:15:48.120 a dream is that dreams often feel more random, like 0:15:48.280 --> 0:15:52.600 just random new introduction of new elements, Whereas it seems 0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:55.320 to me that once Deer Skin gets going, sort of 0:15:55.360 --> 0:15:59.600 like I was saying earlier, everything just kind of follows logically. 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:03.920 If you buy into the initial dream, it's like a 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:09.320 real world that operates fully on the logic of physics 0:16:09.320 --> 0:16:13.560 and cause and effect, and people behave in some ways normally, 0:16:14.000 --> 0:16:18.160 except this real world was created by an absurdist demi 0:16:18.280 --> 0:16:21.480 urge who is, like, you know, a man in a 0:16:21.560 --> 0:16:24.080 jacket will decide that they must be the only man 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:25.880 in jacket that can be together. 0:16:26.360 --> 0:16:30.040 Yeah, I totally agree with that. Moving on to our protagonist. 0:16:30.960 --> 0:16:37.520 Jean Dujardins plays George born nineteen seventy two, French actor 0:16:37.520 --> 0:16:40.560 and comedian. Worked as a stand up comedian in France 0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:43.480 and has been in many films as an actor. Some 0:16:43.520 --> 0:16:46.560 of the most well known include The Artist from twenty eleven, 0:16:46.880 --> 0:16:50.400 the comedic reboot of the French spy series OSS one 0:16:50.520 --> 0:16:54.480 hundred and seventeen, and The Wolf of Wall Street. As George, 0:16:54.480 --> 0:16:56.400 he portrays a bit of an idiot, but he's a 0:16:56.440 --> 0:17:00.880 confident idiot, and that confidence mostly successfully carries him as 0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:03.760 he reinvents himself around a new jacket on the fly. 0:17:04.480 --> 0:17:07.760 Yes, yeah, I like you flagging the confidence there and 0:17:07.800 --> 0:17:11.719 how much it how much it works like. He's a 0:17:11.760 --> 0:17:15.280 pathetic character, but a different kind of movie I think 0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:19.720 would have more of everybody around him just treating him 0:17:19.760 --> 0:17:22.639 as a fool and treating him with scorn and actually 0:17:22.720 --> 0:17:25.920 he you know, he gets some pushback in skepticism, but 0:17:25.960 --> 0:17:31.160 he also gets pretty far just on being a foolish, overconfident, 0:17:31.640 --> 0:17:32.520 pathetic person. 0:17:33.200 --> 0:17:37.400 Yeah, he gets remarkably far. He gets remarkably little pushback 0:17:38.200 --> 0:17:41.760 there's like one exception that isn't even really overt pushback 0:17:41.840 --> 0:17:44.440 in that sort of sends him over the edge. 0:17:44.840 --> 0:17:48.520 Yeah, So I thought Douchardon was good in this role, 0:17:48.560 --> 0:17:51.119 and I knew I recognized him from somewhere, but I 0:17:51.119 --> 0:17:53.840 couldn't place it at first. I actually have not seen 0:17:53.880 --> 0:17:55.760 the Artist I think he was. Did he win like 0:17:55.800 --> 0:17:57.520 a Best Actor Oscar for that? 0:17:57.760 --> 0:17:58.800 Oh man, I'm not sure. 0:17:59.480 --> 0:18:01.320 Yeah, sorry, we just had to look this up. He 0:18:01.320 --> 0:18:04.239 did win the Academy Award for Best Actor for his 0:18:04.359 --> 0:18:08.600 role in The Artist from twenty eleven. Again, I have 0:18:08.720 --> 0:18:11.560 not seen that one, but I realized what I knew 0:18:11.640 --> 0:18:15.200 him from was that he is the corrupt Swiss banker 0:18:15.280 --> 0:18:17.840 in Wolf of Wall Street. He's the guy who's like 0:18:17.960 --> 0:18:24.159 trying to telepathically make make slimy deals with Leonardo DiCaprio. 0:18:24.440 --> 0:18:26.159 It's been a while since I've seen that one, so 0:18:26.320 --> 0:18:29.199 I don't remember that. But he's great in this. 0:18:30.000 --> 0:18:34.560 Yeah, he is. There is a there's a soft spoken, 0:18:34.800 --> 0:18:39.040 matter of factus to the way that he resists anything 0:18:39.080 --> 0:18:43.000 that challenges his delusions that is so good. One of 0:18:43.000 --> 0:18:46.320 my favorite moments of the movie is when he's been 0:18:46.400 --> 0:18:50.040 like doing stuff that's impossible to explain without getting more 0:18:50.080 --> 0:18:53.840 into the plot first, but doing weird stuff that he's 0:18:53.840 --> 0:18:56.240 like paying these actors to be in these bizarre scenes. 0:18:56.640 --> 0:18:59.119 And one of the actors is like, this movie you're 0:18:59.160 --> 0:19:02.080 making it's a bit weird. No, he says, it's not weird, 0:19:02.160 --> 0:19:07.360 it's amazing. It's really good delivery on that line. It's 0:19:07.359 --> 0:19:09.200 in French, but yeah, it comes through. 0:19:10.040 --> 0:19:15.040 Yeah, agree completely. I love his delivery. I love his 0:19:15.080 --> 0:19:17.800 whole demeanor in this movie. It really sells it. 0:19:18.040 --> 0:19:21.120 Yes, similar things I would say about the next actor 0:19:21.160 --> 0:19:24.359 we're going to talk about, is this Adele nel Yeah. 0:19:24.480 --> 0:19:29.280 Annelle born nineteen eighty nine is our second lead. She 0:19:29.480 --> 0:19:31.879 made her film debut at the age of twelve in 0:19:31.920 --> 0:19:36.080 the two thousand and two movie Le Diaba. In twenty fourteen, 0:19:36.160 --> 0:19:39.159 she won the CESAR Award for Best Supporting Actress for 0:19:39.280 --> 0:19:43.040 her role in the twenty thirteen movie Suzanne, and in 0:19:43.119 --> 0:19:46.640 twenty nineteen she appeared in three movies, Deer Skin being 0:19:46.680 --> 0:19:48.760 one of them and the other two being Heroes Don't 0:19:48.800 --> 0:19:52.119 Die and Portrait of a Lady on Fire, which is 0:19:52.160 --> 0:19:55.760 where I knew her from. She retired from the film 0:19:55.800 --> 0:19:59.119 industry in twenty twenty three. Citing that the industry defended 0:19:59.240 --> 0:20:05.840 a capital, patriarchal, racist, sexist world of structural inequality. She's 0:20:05.840 --> 0:20:09.359 since been active in theater and as a political activist. 0:20:10.440 --> 0:20:13.960 Well respect her critique of the industry, both from within 0:20:14.040 --> 0:20:17.879 and without, but I also I think she's so great here, Like, 0:20:17.960 --> 0:20:22.320 I love the way that our empathy for this character 0:20:22.760 --> 0:20:27.679 evolves as we come to understand her better. So like 0:20:27.880 --> 0:20:31.360 the evolution goes something like when we first meet her. 0:20:32.359 --> 0:20:35.680 In classic comedy terms, this character, Denise is what do 0:20:35.680 --> 0:20:38.159 you call, like the feed or the straight character, the 0:20:38.240 --> 0:20:42.200 comedic foil of the act's main buffoon, which is George. Here, 0:20:43.320 --> 0:20:46.360 this kind of character is the stand in for the audience, 0:20:46.400 --> 0:20:50.040 the normal person who is there to react skeptically to 0:20:50.080 --> 0:20:52.800 the funny man's antics. And that is what she feels 0:20:52.880 --> 0:20:55.680 like in the first few scenes with her. But then 0:20:56.080 --> 0:21:01.880 as our main weirdo evolves to become more criminal, basically 0:21:01.960 --> 0:21:06.160 more sinister, the drama shifts and she becomes the victim 0:21:06.440 --> 0:21:10.080 of his lies and scams, and we feel a totally 0:21:10.119 --> 0:21:12.199 different way about her. We start to feel pity for 0:21:12.280 --> 0:21:14.320 her while he's like, you know, lying to her and 0:21:14.400 --> 0:21:18.800 draining her bank account. And then she reveals that she 0:21:19.000 --> 0:21:21.359 was actually always aware of the fact that he was 0:21:21.400 --> 0:21:24.639 a fraud, and then she becomes part of the antics 0:21:24.640 --> 0:21:28.440 and scams. In essence, she becomes the weirdo, and in fact, 0:21:28.480 --> 0:21:31.000 maybe even weirder than the weirdo that came before. She 0:21:31.040 --> 0:21:33.800 starts kind of trying to give orders, and so I 0:21:33.880 --> 0:21:37.200 love that evolution. You feel like three totally different ways 0:21:37.240 --> 0:21:40.119 about her as the movie goes on, and it's a 0:21:40.240 --> 0:21:43.040 very seamless kind of transition. Yeah. 0:21:43.080 --> 0:21:46.080 I love this too. I was reading an interview on 0:21:46.119 --> 0:21:50.280 the publication Dazed that Depew did in support of Deer Skin, 0:21:50.560 --> 0:21:55.520 and to quote that interview, Originally, Depew planned for Denise 0:21:55.560 --> 0:22:00.480 to be down to earth every woman to counteract George's quirkiness. However, 0:22:00.680 --> 0:22:05.160 Nnel insisted that Denise should adore blood and slaughter without 0:22:05.359 --> 0:22:08.920 changing a line in the script. We decided that she's crazy, 0:22:09.000 --> 0:22:12.679 the director says, and because she's an amazing actress, you 0:22:12.720 --> 0:22:15.760 see it in her eyes. Suddenly every scene looks different, 0:22:16.280 --> 0:22:19.119 and Jean looks stupid in front of her. She's evil 0:22:19.200 --> 0:22:20.240 and he's just a kid. 0:22:21.680 --> 0:22:24.120 That's brilliant. Yeah, I love that. 0:22:24.720 --> 0:22:30.879 So, yeah, totally agree. The composer is Yanko Niovich. I 0:22:30.880 --> 0:22:32.600 think that's how you pronounce it. As far as I 0:22:32.640 --> 0:22:36.359 can tell. He was born in nineteen forty one. He 0:22:36.400 --> 0:22:39.800 did the score. He's a prolific Paris based musician who 0:22:39.800 --> 0:22:42.960 has released over thirty albums since the early nineteen sixties, 0:22:43.440 --> 0:22:47.520 mostly library music, essentially work for higher albums made to 0:22:47.560 --> 0:22:51.960 be easily licensed for productions. He's made music under a 0:22:52.040 --> 0:22:56.680 variety of pseudonyms, one of which was Mad Unity. Under 0:22:56.680 --> 0:22:58.800 the mad Unity name, he released one of his most 0:22:58.840 --> 0:23:02.600 well regarded albums, Funky Tramway. I checked out the title 0:23:02.600 --> 0:23:04.520 track of this one, and it definitely sounds like a 0:23:04.560 --> 0:23:12.240 funky tramway. Flattering, it's frenetic, and then there's a bunch 0:23:12.280 --> 0:23:18.399 of like wah guitar. You gotta check it. It's a 0:23:18.440 --> 0:23:19.960 funky tramway for sure. 0:23:20.359 --> 0:23:20.639 Okay. 0:23:21.280 --> 0:23:25.119 His music has been sampled by artists like Jay Z, 0:23:25.400 --> 0:23:28.879 Doctor Dre the Alchemist, and Freddie Gibbs and Schoolboy Q 0:23:29.200 --> 0:23:31.400 to name a few. He seems to be sampled quite 0:23:31.400 --> 0:23:34.760 a bit actually, and as of twenty twenty two, he's 0:23:34.800 --> 0:23:37.680 still making new music. And I found news from twenty 0:23:37.720 --> 0:23:41.199 twenty three of a documentary called The Sample Return of 0:23:41.280 --> 0:23:45.720 Yanko Niovich. That's currently in production, I guess. According to 0:23:45.760 --> 0:23:50.240 an interview Depew did with Dazed during Deerskin's post production, 0:23:50.720 --> 0:23:55.639 he scrap plans to record an electronic soundtrack himself, saying 0:23:55.680 --> 0:23:58.639 that quote to me, it's a dead serious movie. It's funny, 0:23:58.680 --> 0:24:01.000 but not what we call it comedy. And actually I 0:24:01.040 --> 0:24:04.119 never used funny comedy music or whatever. I decided to 0:24:04.119 --> 0:24:06.480 only use music from the seventies to match the jacket. 0:24:07.080 --> 0:24:11.720 Oh that's interesting, because yeah, the music in this movie, well, 0:24:11.800 --> 0:24:14.760 first of all, there are some there's some great like 0:24:14.800 --> 0:24:17.720 needle drops in it. In the closing credits, it uses 0:24:17.760 --> 0:24:20.040 the song by Della Humphrey that I don't know if 0:24:20.080 --> 0:24:23.119 I'd ever heard before, when Good Girls Go Bad. That 0:24:23.200 --> 0:24:25.200 one's fantastic excellence. 0:24:25.400 --> 0:24:27.440 It's a great closing song. Yeah, I loved it. 0:24:27.480 --> 0:24:31.280 But also the original score for it, Yeah, it doesn't 0:24:31.320 --> 0:24:34.679 sound like goofy dump de dump comedy music. It sounds 0:24:34.720 --> 0:24:38.399 like something that could be in like a dark Michael 0:24:38.480 --> 0:24:40.719 Chimino movie from the seventies or something. 0:24:41.440 --> 0:24:44.199 And finally, I wasn't able to find a ton of 0:24:44.280 --> 0:24:49.840 info on her. But Jean le Barux, the production designer, 0:24:50.359 --> 0:24:54.520 this is Depew's wife and the production designer on seemingly 0:24:54.680 --> 0:24:58.760 all of his movies from twenty Twelve's Wrong onward and 0:24:58.760 --> 0:25:01.240 according to an interview, I ran and she's the only 0:25:01.280 --> 0:25:14.520 person he will run edits the movie by before finalizing them. 0:25:14.880 --> 0:25:17.600