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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: A body found dismembered off US sixty idd as a

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Speaker 2: missing girl, Emily just fourteen years old. Yes, her dismembered body,

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Speaker 2: A fourteen year old little girl thrown off the side

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Speaker 2: of the highway like she's trash.

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Speaker 3: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for

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Speaker 3: being with us.

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Speaker 4: A teen girl last scene walking near an Arizona group home,

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Speaker 4: found dismembered over one hundred miles away.

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Speaker 5: Who murdered fourteen year old Emily Pike?

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Speaker 3: What happened to Emily?

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Speaker 2: I know when you see a headline dismembered, you stick

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Speaker 2: on that, but there's so much more. Why did Emily

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Speaker 2: go missing? How did Emily go missing? There's so much

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Speaker 2: to this story. Of course, I want to know who

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Speaker 2: murdered Emily Pike, just fourteen years old. Do you remember

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Speaker 2: what you were doing or what your daughter or son

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Speaker 2: was doing at age fourteen? Imagine what these parents are

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Speaker 2: going through. Emily Pike found dismembered and thrown on the

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Speaker 2: side of the road US sixty. Listen to see thee

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Speaker 2: so much, Jane, I really hope.

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Speaker 3: I'm trying to see.

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Speaker 6: If you can come into meet Thanks to recover any

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Speaker 6: kind of weapon. A cause of death is still under

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Speaker 6: investigation by the Emmy's office. We're investigating those leads. None

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Speaker 6: of those as of yet have pointed us to a

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Speaker 6: definite suspect or person of interest. We believe that she

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Speaker 6: was killed somewhere else and then that is where she

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Speaker 6: was dropped off.

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Speaker 2: None of our friends at CBS five Arizona Family TV.

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Speaker 2: That's a lot just right there in those few seconds

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Speaker 2: to analyze, and the practice of criminal law, every detail matters.

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Speaker 2: First of all, you saw Emily, little Emily Pike, just

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Speaker 2: fourteen years old. How did this girl go missing? Why

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Speaker 2: did she go missing? And why is she dismembered on

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Speaker 2: the side of the road. Also, we know we haven't

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Speaker 2: recovered a weapon. Cause of death still under investigation by

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Speaker 2: the Medical Examiner's office.

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Speaker 3: Also we learn.

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Speaker 2: That it's believed Emily was murdered elsewhere, So this would

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Speaker 2: be at the very least a secondary crime scene, in

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Speaker 2: my opinion, a tertiary or third crime scene. How was

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Speaker 2: she dropped off in a vehicle? Is the roadside surveillance?

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Speaker 2: Are there license grabbers? Was it your toll road? Was

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Speaker 2: it out in the middle of no where? Where there

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Speaker 2: are no surveillance cameras of any type, even at a

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Speaker 2: red light. We have had cases, for instance, let me

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Speaker 2: just bring up here's an easy one. Alex Murdogg, the

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Speaker 2: trial lawyer out of South Carolina, convicted in the murder

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Speaker 2: of wife Maggie and son Paul, double murder. Well, he

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Speaker 2: also staged his own murder attempt on himself and there

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Speaker 2: was no surveillance.

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Speaker 3: Well, lo and behold. After we covered it and pointed out.

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Speaker 2: That there was a Baptist church a few miles down

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Speaker 2: from the incident at an intersection, guess what there was surveillance?

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Speaker 2: So has that been harvested? Where were the remains found?

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Speaker 2: Were they in a bag? What kind of bag? That

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Speaker 2: could be very probative, in other words, prove something. Let

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Speaker 2: me refer to the top Mom Casey Anthony case and

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Speaker 2: the murder of her girl, a chilly her body found

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Speaker 2: double bagged in bags taken from the Anthony home about

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Speaker 2: ten houses down from the Anthony home in a swampy area.

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Speaker 2: Those bags revealed a treasure trove of evidence. How do

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Speaker 2: I know that this lee is doing the right thing?

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Speaker 2: First of all, straight out to Susan Hendricks joining me

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Speaker 2: investigative reporter, journalist, author of Down the Hill, My descend

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Speaker 2: into the double murder in Delphi. Susan, I'm very curious.

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Speaker 2: Could you just tell me, give me an idea, not

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Speaker 2: just off US sixty, that could be anywhere where were

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Speaker 2: Emily's remains found.

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Speaker 7: Nancy, good to see you.

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Speaker 8: One hundred miles from where she was last seen, and

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Speaker 8: he mentioned what type of bag.

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Speaker 5: It's a contractor a.

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Speaker 8: Garbage bag, dismembered as you mentioned, just horrific details. Highway

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Speaker 8: sixty near Globe, Arizona. Again one hundred mile from where.

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Speaker 2: She was the last seem showing a shot of the bag. Okay,

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Speaker 2: there you see it.

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Speaker 3: Susan.

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Speaker 2: Hendrix rightfully described it as a contractor's bag.

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Speaker 3: There you see it.

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Speaker 2: It looks plastic, not necessarily the plastic trash bag we're

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Speaker 2: of synthetic fiber. Why is that important? It's extremely important, whole, Susan.

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Speaker 2: Chris McDonough joining me, Director Cold Case Foundation, former homicide detective,

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Speaker 2: over three hundred homicide investigations under his belt. He's the

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Speaker 2: star of his own YouTube channel, The Interview Room where

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Speaker 2: I found him and you can find him, at Coldcasefoundation

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Speaker 2: dot org. Chris McDonough, very very important that bag regarding

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Speaker 2: who murdered a fourteen year old little girl?

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Speaker 3: Why am I not hearing about her? In the head?

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Speaker 2: Why aren't people screaming from the at the top of

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Speaker 2: their lawns about Emily Pipe murdered and dismembered age fourteen?

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Speaker 2: I got some theories on why we haven't heard about

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Speaker 2: Emily Pipe. Back to the synthetic nature of this bag,

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Speaker 2: why is that so important?

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Speaker 9: Well, that bag can be a huge piece of evidence

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Speaker 9: in relationship to solving this crime, because, number one, it

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Speaker 9: tells you that the person who selected that bag was

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Speaker 9: either in the contracting end or construction industry of some sort.

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Speaker 9: Because it's a larger type of contractor's bag. You can

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Speaker 9: take that bag, put it into what they call a

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Speaker 9: super glue chamber, and that super glue chamber essentially will

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Speaker 9: bring up the ridges and the swirls of any potential fingerprints.

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Speaker 7: On that bag.

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Speaker 9: So this is a huge piece of evidence to your point, Nancy.

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Speaker 9: But the fact that she is found in that bag

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Speaker 9: also drives it home that she was looked at as

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Speaker 9: a piece of trash, you know, looked at.

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Speaker 3: Like a piece of trash. I have a little girl

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Speaker 3: and a little boy. They just turned seventeen. This girl.

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Speaker 2: Murdered and dismembered, thrown on the side of US sixty,

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Speaker 3: Why who forget about? Why?

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Speaker 2: Why does it matter to me? Who did this to Emily?

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Speaker 2: To Susan Hendricks joining me, investigative reporter and author, Susan

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Speaker 2: also very very important, and I'm going to go in

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Speaker 2: just one moment to Emily's very beloved uncle joining us. Susan,

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Speaker 2: I want to under stands something off US sixty. What

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Speaker 2: would the weather be there?

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Speaker 8: Well, of course being in Arizona and thinking about you

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Speaker 8: know I used to live there. Go into Arizona State

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Speaker 8: and middle of nowhere, middle of nowhere, desert of course,

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Speaker 8: even this time of year, and you know, my heart

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Speaker 8: does go out to her uncle.

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Speaker 2: Chris mcdona. What Susan Hendricks just said very important. That's

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Speaker 2: a critical piece of this because fingerprints are very simply

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Speaker 2: oil secreted by the human body. That's what fingerprints are

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Speaker 2: made of. So when you touch something, which I love,

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Speaker 2: trash bag is a perfect conduit for fingerprints. You can

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Speaker 2: get a perfect fingerprint. The weather conditions out in the

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Speaker 2: desert are not going to affect that.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, absolutely, Nancy. And that's why the process is called supergluing,

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Speaker 9: and it's literally super glue in a like a fish tank,

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Speaker 9: and then you put the bag in that fish tank

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Speaker 9: and the chemicals react to each other in terms of

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Speaker 9: from the skin and the oils on that skin and

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Speaker 9: the super glue. And what ends up happening is you

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Speaker 9: have this you know, this picture appear in front of

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Speaker 9: you and it is you know, magic for lack of

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Speaker 9: a better term, but you can get a very good

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Speaker 9: fingerprint when you go through that process, and you're right,

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Speaker 9: the weather will not bother that at all.

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Speaker 2: Joining me is Linn Shaw, founder and executive director of

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Speaker 2: Linn's Warriors, a nonprofit dedicated to stopping human trafficking, specifically

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Speaker 2: among girls and women, and the exploitation of young girls.

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Speaker 2: It's hard for me to imagine what Emily lived through

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Speaker 2: before she was murdered and dismembered. And I want to

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Speaker 2: point out, Lynn Shaw, that this little girl, fourteen years old,

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Speaker 3: Found her arms or hands.

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Speaker 2: I wonder why could it be the killer's attempt to

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Speaker 2: evade her being identified by not having her fingerprints available?

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Speaker 2: I don't know, and I don't care. But what this

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Speaker 2: child had went through before she was.

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Speaker 5: Murdered, well, let me tell you, Nancy, the hands were

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Speaker 5: most likely cut off, so exactly as you said, it

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Speaker 5: can't be traced back anything about her. But I have

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Speaker 5: too many questions. This is the way my mind works.

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Speaker 5: Now we've got some body parts in a bag. How

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Speaker 5: come her mother wasn't told about this for one month?

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Speaker 5: What is going on here?

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Me Now, very special guest, this is a very beloved

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Speaker 2: uncle of Emily's. All Red Pike Junior is joining us.

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Speaker 2: All right, thank you for being with us. What was

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Speaker 2: your reaction when you discovered that Emily, fourteen year old

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Speaker 2: Emily had not only been murdered, but dismembered, her body

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Speaker 2: thrown on the side of US sixty.

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Speaker 10: Just hearing you describe it again, it's like we reliving it.

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Speaker 10: That this stuff, that stuff. Uh hearing what happened to her?

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Speaker 10: And oh, she was just tossed to the side of

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Speaker 10: the road. I'm sorry, but it's hard. It's hard to

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Speaker 10: hear exactly what happened to her. And I just can't

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Speaker 10: imagine what her mom and her dad are going through

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Speaker 10: as an extended family. It hurts, it hurts to hear

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Speaker 2: Her, Mister Pike. I would like to apologize for being

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Speaker 2: so candid and harsh with the facts, but I have

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Speaker 2: faced many a jury and I learned at the very

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Speaker 2: beginning this is not a time to sugarcoat or airbrush

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Speaker 2: the truth. This is the time for the truth to

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Speaker 2: be told. There have been many, many times and a

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Speaker 2: go into the ladies room, go.

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Speaker 3: To the furthest stall and cry or be sick.

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Speaker 2: From what I had to do and say in the

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Speaker 2: courtroom and prove to a jury, I'm really sorry you.

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Speaker 2: Seeing you cry makes me want to cry because I

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Speaker 2: think of my girl, my little Lucy, at fourteen, just

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Speaker 2: fourteen years old. What are police telling the family? What

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Speaker 2: are they saying happen? They don't even have a cod

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Speaker 2: cause of death yet they don't know where she was killed.

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Speaker 3: Do they know when she was killed? Nothing? Nothing, mister Pike.

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Speaker 2: Do you believe that Emily's case has been lost in

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Speaker 2: the sauce because she is an American Indian?

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Speaker 11: You said it, and it's hard for me to see

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Speaker 11: it because I wish it wasn't like that. But the

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Speaker 11: news coverage isn't really there. It's just local news and

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Speaker 11: the first national news person to cover this case and

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Speaker 11: it said if it was someone else, maybe that'll been

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Speaker 11: all over the news.

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Speaker 2: To say that miss so much and I really hope.

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Speaker 7: I'm trying to see if you can come.

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Speaker 2: Into meet next thing from our friends a Z Family TV.

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Speaker 2: How did she go missing? Where did she go missing?

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Speaker 2: Who took her? What did this fourteen year old girl

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Speaker 2: endure before she was murdered and dismembered? Why did the

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Speaker 2: killer take her arm? Arms, and hands? They haven't been found.

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Speaker 2: We have an idea how she went missing?

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Speaker 12: Lesson Emily Pike moves to a group home in Mesa

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Speaker 12: to be close to health related resources. She needs. A

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Speaker 12: creative teen. Emily loves to draw paint and she's taking

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Speaker 12: guitar lessons, where her former roommate says she meets a

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Speaker 12: boy who is also learning to play guitar. Emily wants

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Speaker 12: to see the boy she likes from her guitar class

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Speaker 12: and talk to him, but she has an allowed to

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Speaker 12: leave the group home on her own On January twenty seventh,

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Speaker 2: Much has been made of the fact that this little girl,

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Speaker 2: But I guarantee you someone will attack her. Lin shaw

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Speaker 2: I was asking all Red Pike Junior, if this case

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Speaker 5: We need to talk about the American crisis, which is

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Speaker 5: Thank goodness, we are talking about it here today. How

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Speaker 3: I want to talk about some stats. We have to.

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Speaker 5: We have to until recently, tribal nations have their own

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Speaker 5: indigenous community. We have a lot going on here. They

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Speaker 2: Jumping off what Lynn Shaw from Lyn's Warriors just says

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Speaker 7: Mary Kim that's a good question, and as an Indigenous woman,

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Speaker 7: We have seen in our history that we are less

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Speaker 7: So of course we're missing a few years and that

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Speaker 3: You know what, Mary Kim Tayler, I want to adjust something.

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Speaker 2: You just said that you feel invisible out of all

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Speaker 3: Thousand of them, believe it or not.

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Speaker 2: One of the things I have found in crime victims,

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Speaker 3: Set on fire.

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Speaker 2: It just it's the feeling of helplessness that sticks with

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Speaker 3: You can do, there's nothing you can.

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Speaker 2: Say to fix it, and nobody is hearing you. I

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Speaker 2: sometimes feel married Kim Titla that you and Lynnshaw and

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Speaker 2: Emily's family, mister all Red Piped Junior with us tonight

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Speaker 2: and you're just screaming.

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Speaker 3: Out in the car on Third Avenue. Nobody's hearing. I mean,

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Speaker 3: Mary Kim, this.

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Speaker 2: Little girl, all Red Pike Junior, your niece was likely raped.

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Speaker 3: Brutally murdered. We don't even have a cod honor.

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Speaker 2: Because her body was dismembered, dismembered, her arms and hands removed, so.

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Speaker 3: We couldn't get an ID.

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Speaker 2: But we did put in a bag and thrown off

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Speaker 1: All read.

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Speaker 3: But I agree with Mary Kim and Lynn Shaw. It's

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Speaker 11: Marry Kim is correct. If they did pay more attention

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Speaker 7: The Phoenix area. My niece.

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Speaker 11: You know, it's Native American and sad to say, we

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Speaker 11: Let me say that there was finally a task force

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Speaker 11: It should have been done as soon as her body

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Speaker 11: local news has covered it, and I'm appreciative that you're

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Speaker 12: MASA police report Emily Pike as missing to the National

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Speaker 2: Just so you know, Emily for medical reasons to be

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Speaker 2: I mean, do I have that wrong with me? Investigative

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Speaker 3: Susan, is that right?

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Speaker 2: They didn't bother to pick up the phone and tell

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Speaker 8: Absolutely in the head of the group home speaking to

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Speaker 2: I don't understand this. Is there some glitch so I

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Speaker 2: don't understand. All read Pike Junior. This is Emily's uncle

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Speaker 3: Is she that disposable?

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Speaker 11: Those are answers that I don't have. And it just

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Speaker 10: And that week is a long time, A lot could

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Speaker 3: My stars, all Read, You're so right.

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Speaker 2: I mean, when you're looking for a missing child, an

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Speaker 3: Delay is bad enough. Just think if she's in a vehicle.

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Speaker 2: Everybody correct me if I've got any facts wrong, because

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Speaker 3: Think of it. Sixty mph an hour.

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Speaker 2: She was sixty miles away and a week passes before

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Speaker 4: It was ten forty five am on a Sunday morning.

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Speaker 13: People there were well, let's let's look for her. She

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Speaker 14: We got our dog teams out searching for Serenity. We

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Speaker 2: Join me right now in a special guest Chief Medical

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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. I'm sure that you've

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Speaker 15: Sure for several reasons. Perhaps one because obviously this body

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Speaker 15: there may very well be injuries present, but not fatal injuries.

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Speaker 15: myself in these cases. I'm always in direct communication with

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Speaker 15: law enforcement and family. I'm letting them know what I'm

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Speaker 15: thinking of, what I think the cause of death is,

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Speaker 15: but we want to make sure in the end we

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Speaker 15: get it correct.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Thomas Coin, joining as Chief Medical Examiner District to

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Speaker 2: Medical Examiner's Office, State of Florida.

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Speaker 3: They're rare. They're rare.

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Speaker 2: You don't often see dismemberments, but it makes the cood

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Speaker 2: sometimes nearly impossible to find. And I think that dis

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Speaker 2: memoriaments are rare because the mind of a killer that

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Speaker 2: would then go on to dismember the victim is very,

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Speaker 2: very unusual. It's very uncommon, would you agree with that,

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Speaker 2: doctor Coin.

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Speaker 15: Yes, very uncommon. We don't see that often. And it's

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Speaker 15: also it's harder than you you would think to actually

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Speaker 15: dismember about it, unless you know how to readily just

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Speaker 15: articulate various joints, that can be very difficult as well.

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Speaker 2: To Chris mcdonnald, joining US a veteran homicide detective and

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Speaker 2: now at Cold Case Foundation and Star the Interview Room

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Speaker 2: on YouTube, Chris very rare very rare that you get

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Speaker 2: a dismemberment typically to hide evidence, but I really think

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Speaker 2: it goes into the mind of the killer.

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Speaker 3: It's not just to hide evidence.

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Speaker 2: That's why we see so many shallow grave cases where

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Speaker 2: the person is buried in a shallow grave. But to

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Speaker 2: go through a dismemberment ordeal is very difficult to do

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Speaker 2: and very rare.

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Speaker 3: So what I'm getting.

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Speaker 2: At is the mind of Emily Pie just fourteen year old,

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Speaker 2: the mind of someone that would dismember a fourteen.

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Speaker 3: Year old girl.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, Nancy, I mean we're talking about an apex predator here,

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Speaker 9: meaning this individual or individuals, depending on what the investigation reveals,

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Speaker 9: they have thought about this for quite some time. This

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Speaker 9: is a thought fantasy that projects itself onto the victim

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Speaker 9: after typically a sexual assault. So this individual or individuals

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Speaker 9: is at the highest threat level to the community. And

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Speaker 9: unfortunately Emily, you know, like Mary Kay had marykm excuse

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Speaker 9: me had said earlier, Emily was invisible to this suspect

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Speaker 9: or suspects, and thus the result that we're seeing here

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Speaker 9: is she was throwing away way again like a piece

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Speaker 9: of trash.

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Glynn Shaw and joining me and founder director Lynn's Warriors,

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Speaker 2: a nonprofit committed to ending trafficking and abuse on young

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Speaker 2: girls and women.

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Speaker 1: He's right.

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Speaker 3: The dismemberment aspect of what was done to Emily.

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Speaker 2: Compounds the fact that she was like nothing, She meant

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Speaker 2: nothing to the killer.

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Speaker 5: I mean absolutely, we are seeing this in our marginalized

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Speaker 5: communities across the United States that they are kind of

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Speaker 5: amping everything up. This is so horrible, monsters dismembering bodies

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Speaker 5: and doing all of that.

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Speaker 3: But I want to go back on something. We have

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Speaker 3: to really get out.

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Speaker 5: Thank goodness, we're talking about this today, Nancy. We're putting

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Speaker 5: it out there. We have to continually, as hard as

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Speaker 5: it is, and for the Pike family, all these horrible

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Speaker 5: things we're talking about. We have to put this out

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Speaker 5: in the public. We have to put the visuals out.

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Speaker 5: We have to keep talking about it. We have to

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Speaker 5: follow up because that is what will matter. We'll leverage

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Speaker 5: the internet for good and just put it all over

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Speaker 5: the internet.

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Speaker 3: But you know what, You're absolutely correct. You're absolutely correct.

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Speaker 2: Mary Kim Tittlaw joining US executive director of Unity United

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Speaker 2: National Indian Tribal Youth, Inc. Mary Kim, I don't enjoy

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Speaker 2: talking about the dismemberment of a fourteen year old girl.

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Speaker 2: But my point is she has remained invisible and even

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Speaker 2: in death, when many bodies. I'll just give you an

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Speaker 2: example of cult mom Lori Valo, who is responsible for

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Speaker 2: the death of her son and daughter. You should have

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Speaker 2: seen the way the son was basically mummified, He was

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Speaker 2: hermetically sealed, he was treated with great care, the way

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Speaker 2: that his body was disposed. That doesn't negate the fact

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Speaker 2: that he was murdered along with his sister Tyler. But

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Speaker 2: here the way Emily is treated, even in death. It's

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Speaker 2: shocking to my system that a little fourteen year old

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Speaker 2: girl will be treated this way and people aren't screaming

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Speaker 2: from the rooftops. This child was dismembered even in death.

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Speaker 2: She was brutalized.

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Speaker 7: It's shocking and heartbreaking, and it makes me very angry.

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Speaker 7: It makes a lot of people very angry and upset.

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Speaker 7: Indigenous women have long been the targets of hatred and violence.

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Speaker 7: They say the underlying factors are there of poverty and homelessness,

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Speaker 7: but you also have to look at the historical factors

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Speaker 7: of racism, sexism, and the legacy of imperialism and colonization.

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Speaker 7: So this is not the first time it's happened. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 7: as I've mentioned, my relatives have gone missing and murdered,

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Speaker 7: and I recently learned that an extended relative has been

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Speaker 7: missing since last summer. So it is heartbreaking, heart wrenching,

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Speaker 7: and our people are not standing by any longer. They're

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Speaker 7: taking action upon themselves. They're holding vigils, they're marching, they're

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Speaker 7: at the state capitol, they're at the offices of our

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Speaker 7: congressional representatives. We're speaking out because something must be done.

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Speaker 7: We don't want to see this happen again.

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Speaker 12: When the group home manager who filed the report, Emily's

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Speaker 12: roommate tells as family that based on where her remains

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Speaker 12: were found just off US sixty heading northeast, she thinks

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Speaker 12: Emily was just trying to go home. The roommate believes

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Speaker 12: Emily was trying to hitchhike back to see your parents

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Speaker 12: and she got picked up by the wrong person.

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Speaker 2: Susan Henry is joining me an incredible investigative reporter and author. Susan,

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Speaker 2: is that the working theory? And how much do you

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Speaker 2: believe that the high rates of unsolved murders and missings,

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Speaker 2: amongst our American Indians, the indigenous has to do with

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Speaker 2: the fact that they do not they don't have any

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Speaker 2: help from local law enforcement or.

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Speaker 3: From the FADS.

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Speaker 2: The Feds do not govern US tribal territories. They have

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Speaker 2: no jeriousness there. It's up to the tribal police to

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Speaker 2: solve all these cases. And it's not happening.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely.

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Speaker 5: And we heard from Emily's.

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Speaker 8: Uncle just say, look, a task force is finally formed,

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Speaker 8: so they'll be working together. How about this, Nancy Young,

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Speaker 8: the indigenous community, young and old are not included in

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Speaker 8: amberlanch in Arizona. So lawmakers are working to fight this.

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Speaker 8: There's a bill right now to to eight one. It's

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Speaker 8: past the House waiting on Senate. So, yes, they are

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Speaker 8: in this.

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Speaker 2: Oh my stars, they're not part of the Amber alert system.

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Speaker 3: Is that what you just said?

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Speaker 5: No, not in Arizona.

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Speaker 2: Oh, we're learning more. Listen to what Emily's mom says.

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Speaker 2: The mother of Emily Pike tells a local TV station

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Speaker 2: that authorities told her they have three suspects in the

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Speaker 2: disappearance and murder of her daughter, but that's not what

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Speaker 2: they're saying in public. According to the Healy County Sheriff's office.

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Speaker 2: No suspects or persons of interest have been identified in

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Speaker 2: her case at this point. The cause and manner of

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Speaker 2: death are still pending, according to the Penal County Medical

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Speaker 2: Examiner's Office, which investigates deaths in Healy County.

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Speaker 3: Oh my, pie Junior, is that true?

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Speaker 2: We're just hearing there's a suggestion that there are three

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Speaker 2: pois persons of interest.

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Speaker 11: That was at the beginning of the after her body

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Speaker 11: was found. But just recently we found out that the

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Speaker 11: investigator said they didn't have anybody, no suspects or anything,

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Speaker 11: no lead.

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Speaker 3: What investigator is this?

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Speaker 1: What?

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Speaker 2: Ellie, are you talking to HeLa County, HeLa County, Susan Hendricks.

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Speaker 2: Aren't the FBI involved?

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Speaker 8: Now, absolutely, FBI is involved and they're part of that

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Speaker 8: task force. But in doing research on this, learning about

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Speaker 8: who Emily was, also learning about all the law enforcement agencies,

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Speaker 8: they're not saying much and it seems like the communication

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Speaker 8: obviously there's a lot there.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm very interested, Mary kim Tittler joining us.

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Speaker 2: Another little girl, a teen girl, Veronica Cruz, is missing

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Speaker 2: from the same home.

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Speaker 3: I haven't heard about her either.

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Speaker 7: It's very sad and I am very troubled by that news.

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Speaker 7: It's an alarming statistic when you look at the ages

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Speaker 7: of missing and murdered Indigenous women and girls. We're talking

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Speaker 7: about young girls and so many of them are missing.

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Speaker 7: Why aren't we hearing more about this? I'm just as

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Speaker 7: outraged as everyone else. It makes me sad, it makes

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Speaker 7: me mad. Murder is the third leading cause of death

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Speaker 7: of Indigenous women. There are people who don't know this there.

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Speaker 7: It's so important to educate everyone and to create awareness.

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Speaker 7: That's why you're seeing these marches, That's why you're seeing

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Speaker 7: people speaking out. You're seeing murals. This beautiful mural that

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Speaker 7: was created on the reservation right by a major highway

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Speaker 7: so people who drive by can see Emily's photo and

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Speaker 7: see that we care. We care deeply about what's happening

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Speaker 7: in our communities and we don't want this to happen

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Speaker 7: over and over again. But it is happening. Why are

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Speaker 7: are girls going missing? Why aren't we doing more about it?

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Speaker 7: It's at all levels of government, and there's layers and

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Speaker 7: layers of underlying factors that we start to peel away,

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Speaker 7: and so we do have to address those layers of

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Speaker 7: poverty and homelessness. But we have to work on this together.

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Speaker 7: So we are asking for everyone's help to meet with people,

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Speaker 7: to meet with the indigenous communities to figure out how

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Speaker 7: we can address this better so we don't see another

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Speaker 7: girl go missing.

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Speaker 2: To Lynn Shaw, my longtime friend and colleague who I

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Speaker 2: first met as we investigated the case of another little

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Speaker 2: girl missing from a home, Serenity Dinnard, Lynn, everything that you,

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Speaker 2: Mary Kim, mister Pie, Chris McDonough, doctor Coin, susan Hanjakobs said,

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Speaker 2: it's all true.

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Speaker 3: But let me ask you what are we going to do.

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Speaker 5: We're going to do several things. It starts with right

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Speaker 5: here today we are talking about it. We are raising

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Speaker 5: the awareness. That is the biggest thing we can do

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Speaker 5: with the public. Get everybody on board and give them

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Speaker 5: some resources and visuals to share, whether it's in real time,

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Speaker 5: whether it's on their social media platforms. Number two, we have.

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Speaker 3: To go back.

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Speaker 5: You know what I'm not hearing in any of this discussion.

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Speaker 5: Did little Emily have a digital footprint? Did she have

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Speaker 5: a phone? Did she have a laptop? We're not hearing

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Speaker 5: anything about that. How was she going out to meet

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Speaker 5: supposedly her boy, this boy she knew from guitar classes.

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Speaker 3: Or something like that.

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Speaker 5: I'm hearing nothing about a digital footprint. And number three

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Speaker 5: the biggest thing I will sit here and scream about.

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Speaker 5: And we have seen these stories, Nancy, over and over again.

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Speaker 5: What does it take. We cannot have children walking away, missing,

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Speaker 5: ending up like Emily, you know, bless her little soul

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Speaker 5: in garbage bags. Everybody should be out screaming in the

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Speaker 5: middle of Times Square about this. We will not accept this,

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Speaker 5: and we have to create change.

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Speaker 2: If you know or think you know anything about the

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Speaker 2: disappearance and murder of this little girl just fourteen years old,

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Speaker 2: please dial nine two eight two hundred two three five

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Speaker 2: to two repeat nine two eight two hundred two three

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Speaker 2: five two or five zero five nine one seven seven

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Speaker 2: eight three zero. There is a seventy five thousand dollars

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Speaker 2: reward seventy five thousand dollars reward in the search for

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Speaker 2: this little girl's killer. Nancy Gray signing off, goodbye friend,