WEBVTT - Behind Bars 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:07.320 To be sent to MZ, you have to commit the 0:00:07.320 --> 0:00:08.880 worst of the worst crimes in Idaho. 0:00:10.160 --> 0:00:13.720 He's holding on that anchor and as things got more chaotic, 0:00:13.760 --> 0:00:14.159 what do you do? 0:00:14.200 --> 0:00:17.040 You go back to your anchor more He does have 0:00:17.079 --> 0:00:18.720 a target on his back. One hundred percent. 0:00:25.640 --> 0:00:29.800 This is the Idaho Massacre. A production of KAT Studios 0:00:30.040 --> 0:00:39.199 and iHeartRadio, Season three, Episode six, Behind Bars. I'm Courtney Armstrong, 0:00:39.240 --> 0:00:43.120 a producer at KAT Studios, with Stephanie Leideger, Gabriel Castillo, 0:00:43.400 --> 0:00:48.800 and Alison Bankston. On July twenty third, twenty twenty five, 0:00:48.960 --> 0:00:53.800 Brian Coberger officially became inmate number one six three two 0:00:53.840 --> 0:01:00.360 one four at the Idaho Maximum Security Institution in Kuna, Idaho. 0:01:02.160 --> 0:01:05.440 It's a notorious facility that lands it on Security Journal 0:01:05.480 --> 0:01:09.240 America's twenty twenty four list of the worst prisons in 0:01:09.280 --> 0:01:13.520 the United States. It's built to contain the state's most 0:01:13.600 --> 0:01:17.920 violent and unpredictable offenders. This prison has a reputation for 0:01:18.040 --> 0:01:27.120 relentless conditions, solitary confinement, overcrowding, and frequent lockdowns inside. Inmates 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:32.880 have few opportunities for social interaction, education, or rehabilitation. The 0:01:32.880 --> 0:01:36.400 facility has also been criticized as an environment that often 0:01:36.480 --> 0:01:41.080 breeds severe behavioral issues for harsh treatment and lack of 0:01:41.120 --> 0:01:45.000 adequate mental health care. Reports of inmate on inmate violence 0:01:45.040 --> 0:01:49.440 are common, and allegations of excessive force by correctional officers 0:01:49.640 --> 0:01:54.480 continue to hang over the institution's legacy. It's a place 0:01:54.520 --> 0:01:58.400 where survival is a daily struggle. To help us understand 0:01:58.400 --> 0:02:00.560 what life behind these walls will really be like for 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:04.920 Brian Kobecker, we turn to bail bondsman Kevin Corson, a 0:02:05.000 --> 0:02:08.160 man who knows the inner workings of this infamous facility. 0:02:08.480 --> 0:02:12.320 He's joined by a KT Studios producer, Alison Bankston. 0:02:15.760 --> 0:02:18.080 If you can tell me about your background, what you 0:02:18.200 --> 0:02:21.760 do with your bail company, how you related to the prison. 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:26.320 I've been doing this for about ten years and I 0:02:26.360 --> 0:02:30.000 love it. And we have a lot of people that 0:02:30.680 --> 0:02:33.519 get sent to prison. Obviously, the clients that we work 0:02:33.600 --> 0:02:36.920 with and we hear back from them. You know a 0:02:36.919 --> 0:02:39.280 lot about the conditions and stuff like that that we 0:02:39.360 --> 0:02:42.360 hear about, and you know just kind of what it's 0:02:42.440 --> 0:02:42.880 like there. 0:02:43.440 --> 0:02:45.919 Well, can you tell me about the Idaho Maximum Security 0:02:45.960 --> 0:02:49.160 Institution for someone who's never been there, can you paint 0:02:49.280 --> 0:02:51.880 kind of a very detailed picture of it, walk me 0:02:51.919 --> 0:02:52.320 through it. 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:57.640 So it was constructed in nineteen eighty nine. It is 0:02:57.680 --> 0:03:03.000 currently set up to house roughly five hundred and thirty prisoners. 0:03:03.360 --> 0:03:07.040 So when you pull up to the South Boise Prison 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:13.360 Complex where IMSI, the Maximum Security Institution is housed, it's 0:03:13.680 --> 0:03:16.560 seven different buildings that you're you're kind of pulling up 0:03:16.600 --> 0:03:22.520 to there, and it ranges from alternative placement to work release, 0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:27.239 to a women's prison, to a general prison, to community 0:03:27.280 --> 0:03:33.959 and reintroducement facilities. And the Maximum Security Institution is one 0:03:34.000 --> 0:03:37.600 of seven of those buildings out there, and it is 0:03:37.640 --> 0:03:42.200 the one with double fencing around it. It's got razor wire, 0:03:42.600 --> 0:03:46.320 it has electronic monitoring on the outside. It has twenty 0:03:46.360 --> 0:03:49.600 four hour guards on the outside that are armed fully 0:03:49.600 --> 0:03:53.280 watching the perimeter at any given time. To be sent 0:03:53.320 --> 0:03:59.200 to MZ, you have to either commit murder or a rape, 0:03:59.480 --> 0:04:04.119 or you know, several different things stacking up really extreme 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:10.280 cases of drug trafficking and stuff like that. Definitely the 0:04:10.320 --> 0:04:13.200 worst of the worst crimes in Idaho, not just not 0:04:13.280 --> 0:04:16.599 just a theft or beating somebody up and stuff like that, 0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:21.359 or aggravated assault, or it's gonna be somebody that they 0:04:21.440 --> 0:04:23.880 see as a high risk for reoffense, or they have 0:04:23.960 --> 0:04:27.440 an entire lifetime a rap sheet of this and there's 0:04:27.600 --> 0:04:33.200 just no turning this person around. So everybody in IMSI 0:04:33.760 --> 0:04:38.200 is under very strict housing, but not everybody has the 0:04:38.240 --> 0:04:42.600 twenty three hour a day rule. There are some inmates 0:04:42.600 --> 0:04:45.760 that are like in close custody, that are able to 0:04:45.800 --> 0:04:49.479 have more freedom within the facility and be housed with 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:53.840 each other, eat their meals somewhat normally, not in their 0:04:53.880 --> 0:04:55.200 cell for the rest of their life. 0:04:57.120 --> 0:04:59.640 And how about Brian Coberger? Where is he housed? What 0:04:59.760 --> 0:05:01.160 is his custody situation? 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:05.680 Like Coberger's now housed on J Block. J Block is 0:05:06.160 --> 0:05:07.440 as secure as it gets. 0:05:07.600 --> 0:05:09.440 It's very bare bones. 0:05:09.560 --> 0:05:12.840 There's only the stuff you need. It's not a comfy bed, 0:05:13.279 --> 0:05:15.560 it's not a comfy toilet to sit on. It's a 0:05:15.600 --> 0:05:18.640 dirty sink and a slot for your food to come 0:05:18.680 --> 0:05:20.279 through for every meal. 0:05:20.120 --> 0:05:20.880 That you're gonna eat. 0:05:21.480 --> 0:05:24.200 J Block is where the death row inmates are housed, 0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:27.240 as well as the max of the max. 0:05:27.279 --> 0:05:28.479 Prisoners are kept. 0:05:28.720 --> 0:05:31.680 So there's a section for death row and there's also 0:05:31.760 --> 0:05:35.560 a section for people that are up there with that 0:05:35.600 --> 0:05:39.800 security level but not on death row, and they eat 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:43.679 in their cells every meal or however long they're there. 0:05:45.680 --> 0:05:47.800 What is life like in these cells? What do these 0:05:47.839 --> 0:05:49.280 inmates do for entertainment? 0:05:50.160 --> 0:05:53.279 You don't have access to a TV in the cell. 0:05:53.880 --> 0:05:56.640 You can get an iPad and you can come out 0:05:56.680 --> 0:05:59.679 into the open area outside of the cell. 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:02.120 You're one hour a day that you're allowed out. 0:06:02.160 --> 0:06:06.479 You can either go exercise, you can buy a tablet 0:06:06.880 --> 0:06:11.000 and have access to visit people on that. Limited access 0:06:11.000 --> 0:06:14.160 to the internet, limited access to TV shows, but you're 0:06:14.200 --> 0:06:17.000 only allowed an hour out a day. So you better 0:06:17.080 --> 0:06:19.240 choose wisely what you want to do. When you're watching 0:06:19.240 --> 0:06:21.440 this iPad, you're going to be in a cage in 0:06:21.480 --> 0:06:24.520 the middle of this room, and so you can't just 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:25.240 walk around with it. 0:06:25.279 --> 0:06:26.640 You can't bring it back to your cell. 0:06:27.080 --> 0:06:29.479 I'm intrigued what you said about the tablets. So I 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:31.880 think a lot of people so they can't bring the 0:06:31.920 --> 0:06:35.200 tablets into their cells. No, because I think when I 0:06:35.279 --> 0:06:37.520 first read that he had a tablet and maybe get 0:06:37.560 --> 0:06:39.840 a TV, I'm thinking, Oh, he's just gonna watch movies 0:06:39.880 --> 0:06:42.440 all day in his cell and be entertained. But so 0:06:42.480 --> 0:06:44.800 I think that's a good distinction, is that they're only 0:06:44.839 --> 0:06:47.719 allowed one hour and they can play with their tablet. 0:06:48.000 --> 0:06:55.880 Then essentially yep, one hour a day tablet visitation, exercise, 0:06:56.680 --> 0:07:00.440 watching a show on the tablet, watching you know, limited 0:07:00.520 --> 0:07:05.599 internet and books. But other than that, that other twenty 0:07:05.640 --> 0:07:08.440 three hours a day you're staring at a wall. 0:07:09.000 --> 0:07:10.800 Do you know what kind of like TV shows they 0:07:10.840 --> 0:07:13.280 have access to and what websites they can go on. 0:07:13.960 --> 0:07:18.520 So the websites are mainly going to be informational. If 0:07:18.520 --> 0:07:21.640 an inmate wants to appeal their case, they have access 0:07:21.720 --> 0:07:24.960 to stuff like that, Like I said, just purely informational. 0:07:25.080 --> 0:07:26.560 No Facebook. 0:07:27.040 --> 0:07:29.080 As far as the TV shows, it's going to be 0:07:29.080 --> 0:07:33.120 nothing of violence, nothing that kind of pertains to why 0:07:33.160 --> 0:07:37.240 they're there, Nothing that they can sort of enjoy. 0:07:38.200 --> 0:07:42.560 Right, he gets to shower every other day. It's kind 0:07:42.560 --> 0:07:45.800 of odd to think about, but that sucks. 0:07:45.800 --> 0:07:48.600 But that's where you are, and it's pretty much the 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:50.120 same for the rest of the inmates. 0:07:50.480 --> 0:07:52.200 One thing that really stood out to me is, you know, 0:07:52.240 --> 0:07:54.680 there's been this document dump and we're kind of learning 0:07:54.840 --> 0:07:57.520 some things about what his life was like at the 0:07:57.680 --> 0:08:00.679 Leita County Jail. I guess he was known for taking 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:03.200 like our showers and he would just sit in there 0:08:03.800 --> 0:08:06.679 and you know, wash his hands aggressively all the time. 0:08:07.120 --> 0:08:10.840 That's not something he could do at IMSI. It sounds like, so. 0:08:10.920 --> 0:08:14.880 He does have access to a sink, but you know, 0:08:15.040 --> 0:08:18.080 it sounds like he's kind of a germophobe and needing 0:08:18.080 --> 0:08:20.800 to wash the hands all the time, and he's kind 0:08:20.800 --> 0:08:24.480 of maybe a little bit ocd about stuff. And he's 0:08:24.640 --> 0:08:29.000 gonna probably not have a lot of soap that they're 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:31.280 gonna be providing him all the time. That's kind of 0:08:31.280 --> 0:08:34.800 a luxury as far as he's doing it. But yeah, 0:08:34.840 --> 0:08:38.160 he does have access to a sink and the shower 0:08:38.200 --> 0:08:40.440 thing probably really bugs him every other day. 0:08:42.920 --> 0:08:44.800 Do you know anything about the food in there, like 0:08:44.840 --> 0:08:47.640 the fact that he's, you know, a very strict vegan. 0:08:47.840 --> 0:08:50.120 What could he be seen, how could he how could 0:08:50.120 --> 0:08:52.640 the rest of his life look from from that standpoint? 0:08:53.160 --> 0:08:58.600 The dietary requirements for an individual, whether they be vegan vegetarian, 0:08:58.760 --> 0:09:02.720 the prison does accommodate that, and they do have certain 0:09:02.800 --> 0:09:05.959 menus that they are able to give the inmates if 0:09:05.960 --> 0:09:08.760 you get too picky, though it's clearly says on the 0:09:08.760 --> 0:09:11.800 website we're not going to jump through hoops for you, 0:09:11.840 --> 0:09:14.520 but they do provide what they're required to as far 0:09:14.520 --> 0:09:19.640 as dietary restrictions. And yeah, I actually have a menu 0:09:20.040 --> 0:09:21.400 right here for mzy. 0:09:22.080 --> 0:09:23.760 I'm so curious. Yes, please share. 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:25.360 I mean it's not a bad menu. 0:09:25.679 --> 0:09:31.240 Biscuits and gravy for breakfast, peanut butter pancakes another day, 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:33.960 French toast, coffee cake, pumpkin bread. 0:09:34.800 --> 0:09:37.439 And this is stuff that not only the. 0:09:37.360 --> 0:09:40.559 Close custody people are getting, but also on J Block 0:09:40.600 --> 0:09:43.000 death row. And you know, the worst of the worst there, 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:46.040 all the way down to lower level. Day two of 0:09:46.040 --> 0:09:48.360 the month, you're gonna get mac and cheese, you know, 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:54.840 day six, pizza, barbecue, chicken, chili, beef, tacos, meat loaf. 0:09:55.280 --> 0:09:57.080 So it doesn't sound very bad. 0:09:57.120 --> 0:10:04.559 You know, there's visitation there, in person visitation, but it's 0:10:04.679 --> 0:10:07.559 very limited. It's very strict as far as who can go. 0:10:08.120 --> 0:10:11.640 There's a whole application process for somebody. 0:10:11.280 --> 0:10:13.400 Coming to visit an inmate there, and. 0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:17.760 Coberger's days will be Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday that 0:10:17.800 --> 0:10:18.520 he's limited to. 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:21.400 Oh wow, so yeah, actually has quite a few days 0:10:21.400 --> 0:10:23.240 for visitors to show. 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:27.280 Up, correct, But it all has to be approved and 0:10:27.320 --> 0:10:30.760 it's not you know, the prison system, they're. 0:10:30.600 --> 0:10:34.720 Liable for these people's safety. They have to provide food, water, shelter. 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:40.120 And beyond that, a limited amount of exercise. If the 0:10:40.120 --> 0:10:43.040 prisoner is, you know, behaving well, they can do that. 0:10:43.679 --> 0:10:48.600 As far as visiting, they can easily deny people coming 0:10:49.080 --> 0:10:50.000 or even video. 0:10:51.960 --> 0:10:53.679 Some of the people that you work with, they come 0:10:53.720 --> 0:10:56.680 back to you and they tell you what IMSI is like. 0:10:57.000 --> 0:10:58.800 What are some of the stories they've shared with you 0:10:58.840 --> 0:10:59.960 about their experiences there. 0:11:00.000 --> 0:11:07.199 The status of the living situation there has been kind 0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:11.000 of a contentious issue with the Department of Correction here. 0:11:11.240 --> 0:11:15.880 There's been many complaints about the living conditions, the excessive 0:11:15.960 --> 0:11:20.840 use of wars, the excessive use of solitary confinement for 0:11:20.920 --> 0:11:24.240 inmates that you know. The stories are they did nothing 0:11:24.280 --> 0:11:26.440 wrong and it's been investigated and there's been a couple 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:29.960 of lawsuits about it against the Department of Correction here. 0:11:30.200 --> 0:11:35.600 And it's not a nice place. It's not clean. Coburger 0:11:35.679 --> 0:11:38.800 is going to hate that. The vents, We've all heard 0:11:38.800 --> 0:11:41.680 about PCs being shoved into the vents and the event 0:11:41.720 --> 0:11:45.199 system goes around to the entire place. I have heard 0:11:45.240 --> 0:11:49.600 about people communicating through vents from clients and inmates urinating 0:11:49.600 --> 0:11:51.439 on the floor. And it's just kind of a constant 0:11:51.800 --> 0:11:56.240 game of cleanup there. And these people have nothing left 0:11:56.240 --> 0:11:58.960 to lose, you know, they're already being put in solitary 0:11:59.040 --> 0:11:59.760 and stuff like that. 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:05.240 Wor can you do? And it's a very very dark place. 0:12:08.559 --> 0:12:10.600 Let's stop here for a break. We'll be back in 0:12:10.640 --> 0:12:22.240 a moment. On July twenty third, twenty twenty five, Brian 0:12:22.320 --> 0:12:25.640 Coberger began the rest of his existence inside the Idaho 0:12:25.760 --> 0:12:30.320 Maximum Security Institution after being sentenced to four consecutive life 0:12:30.440 --> 0:12:34.640 terms for the brutal murders of Madison Mogen, Kaylie Gonsalvez, 0:12:34.960 --> 0:12:40.040 Xana Kernodle, and Ethan Shapin. Known as IMSI, this facility 0:12:40.120 --> 0:12:43.839 is reserved for Idaho's most violent and dangerous inmates. It's 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:46.840 a place that has garnered a reputation for its harsh, 0:12:47.080 --> 0:12:52.280 hell like conditions, overcrowding, extended lockdowns, and criticism over the 0:12:52.280 --> 0:12:58.120 poor treatment of inmates. For many, life at IMSI is isolating, grueling, 0:12:58.240 --> 0:13:02.640 and relentless. Now that's the world Brian Coberger is facing 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:06.240 every single day, and it seems he's struggling to adapt. 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:11.480 Reports indicate he's been firing off complaint after complaint to 0:13:11.520 --> 0:13:16.480 prison staff, detailing his discontent with his new reality. Here's 0:13:16.520 --> 0:13:20.760 Stephanie Laideker with crime analyst Body Movin breaking down Coberger's 0:13:20.800 --> 0:13:26.320 latest prison quarrels and what they might reveal about him. 0:13:26.440 --> 0:13:29.400 This is why I'm calling him Brian Karenberger. His handwriting 0:13:29.559 --> 0:13:32.280 is literally the worst thing ever. But I'm going to 0:13:32.360 --> 0:13:34.280 read them to you. You're going to get so crazy. 0:13:34.440 --> 0:13:36.400 Just by the way, trigger alert. This is going to 0:13:36.440 --> 0:13:40.440 make everybody nuts. I feel so enraged right now, and 0:13:40.480 --> 0:13:42.960 that's a rare feeling for me. I'm not really the 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:45.840 enraged one. But you really know, you're very level headed. 0:13:46.040 --> 0:13:48.840 This was dated on July twenty seventh, and he was 0:13:48.960 --> 0:13:52.280 still in medical on the twenty seventh. Okay, so we 0:13:52.320 --> 0:13:54.520 need to keep all that in mind. Okay, So this 0:13:54.679 --> 0:13:57.840 is written on the twenty seventh, and he says, I 0:13:57.920 --> 0:14:00.640 need access to the JPay system to act access and 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:04.840 complete an order created on I think it's or crafted 0:14:04.880 --> 0:14:07.160 on a full commissary menu. 0:14:07.400 --> 0:14:08.160 Commis hungry. 0:14:08.280 --> 0:14:12.280 When attempting to access JP, I am given an error 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:15.200 that I am not set up in the system at 0:14:15.320 --> 0:14:17.760 the Sea Block. Again, he's in medical at this time. Okay, 0:14:18.320 --> 0:14:22.840 at the Sea Block, Kiosk may I temporarily moved in 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:26.760 the system to do so. Thank you for your assistance. 0:14:27.480 --> 0:14:28.320 So that's all. 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:33.560 That's one complaint, Okay. The next one is, okay, I 0:14:33.640 --> 0:14:35.880 did not receive my lunch on seven thirty, twenty twenty 0:14:35.880 --> 0:14:40.960 five despite inquiring. Although I understand that the something became hectic, 0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:43.800 it was never communicated to me that I would be 0:14:43.960 --> 0:14:48.520 unable to receive a new bag. The next shift was 0:14:48.560 --> 0:14:51.800 not aware of this either. I wish to access this 0:14:51.960 --> 0:14:54.920 as I have a right to this meal. Thank you. 0:14:55.240 --> 0:14:57.720 And then it says I have tried to solve this 0:14:57.800 --> 0:15:01.440 problem informally by and then he's says speaking with staff 0:15:01.520 --> 0:15:03.920 several times. And then the next thing, it says, I 0:15:04.000 --> 0:15:06.680 suggest the following solution for the problem. And he says, 0:15:07.120 --> 0:15:10.000 in the future, I wish to receive my lunch without exception. 0:15:10.480 --> 0:15:13.600 This could be accomplished by sending for the replacement as 0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:14.800 rapidly as possible. 0:15:14.960 --> 0:15:17.520 What a great solution. That's the whole Thank god you're 0:15:17.520 --> 0:15:20.160 here right. Well, listen, I would suggest you don't murder 0:15:20.240 --> 0:15:23.200 four people. I would tend go to prison and expect 0:15:23.240 --> 0:15:27.880 your vegan meal. The end exclamation point. That story is over. 0:15:27.960 --> 0:15:30.640 Right, And he had said something like, you know, if 0:15:30.640 --> 0:15:32.960 I don't receive everything on my tray, you're not meeting 0:15:32.960 --> 0:15:37.360 the nutritial requirements as documented by your own policy. And immediately, 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:39.360 immediately I was like, what I wonder if you know 0:15:39.880 --> 0:15:43.440 the children or the young adults that you murdered, you know, 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:46.640 wonder about you violating their policy for you know, the 0:15:46.720 --> 0:15:49.480 right to live and the people that you arrassed to 0:15:49.480 --> 0:15:52.520 wsu the policy of violating Title line media. 0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:55.880 How about being a total creeper and making everybody super uncomfortable. 0:15:55.880 --> 0:15:58.920 And then you're taking the lives of four extraordinary human beings, 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:02.800 wrecking GEDI generations of lives for all of their families, 0:16:02.880 --> 0:16:05.280 all of those who knew them and loved them. The 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:07.840 ripple effect of that will go on for generations and 0:16:07.880 --> 0:16:12.240 generations and generations. And this clown feels it's appropriate to 0:16:12.280 --> 0:16:15.320 be upset about his meals, right, Yeah, I gotta tell 0:16:15.360 --> 0:16:17.960 you the nerve. It feels to me like it's not 0:16:18.080 --> 0:16:21.720 sinking in entirely to Brian Coburger, that he's not getting 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:24.720 the fact that he was spared his life and he 0:16:24.760 --> 0:16:27.720 took a coward's way out by not sharing any of 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:30.880 the details or any of the information for reasons we'll 0:16:30.920 --> 0:16:34.600 never know, and now he just wants to be treated 0:16:34.720 --> 0:16:38.920 per the law for prison conduct. Give me a break. 0:16:39.160 --> 0:16:42.600 So in addition to the meal complaints, which I think, 0:16:42.720 --> 0:16:45.080 you know, I mean, listen, I do think that we 0:16:45.120 --> 0:16:47.840 need to feed these people, but he's also complaining about 0:16:47.840 --> 0:16:50.840 being taunted in prison by the other inmates. He's saying 0:16:50.840 --> 0:16:54.400 he's being sexually harassed. Coburger accused one inmate of saying 0:16:54.560 --> 0:16:58.400 I'll but f you, and another stating that the only 0:16:58.520 --> 0:17:01.600 ass we're going to be eating is He requested a 0:17:01.640 --> 0:17:04.080 transfer out of the J block, got moved up one 0:17:04.119 --> 0:17:07.439 floor to J two, which is the second level. He 0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:09.800 filed a complaint saying that he was being subjected to 0:17:09.920 --> 0:17:13.760 minute by minute threats and harassment. His cell was flooded. 0:17:14.080 --> 0:17:16.560 He told the committee that he wants to eventually be 0:17:16.960 --> 0:17:19.240 allowed to work and be productive in prison and have 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:23.359 shared recreation, just like any other high profile resident on 0:17:23.480 --> 0:17:27.920 J two does. And you know, listen, in ten years, 0:17:28.280 --> 0:17:31.520 people probably will have forgotten about Brian Coberger and he 0:17:31.680 --> 0:17:34.840 might get that privilege. But for right now, he's exactly 0:17:34.880 --> 0:17:38.520 where he belongs by himself in a cell only allowed 0:17:38.560 --> 0:17:41.920 out one hour day in shackles and only allowed to 0:17:41.960 --> 0:17:43.440 shower every other day. 0:17:45.840 --> 0:17:49.280 And Coburger's entitled behavior didn't start at the Idaho Maximum 0:17:49.280 --> 0:17:54.160 Security Institution. Documents released by the Moscow Police Department and 0:17:54.240 --> 0:17:57.240 the Idaho State Police show that even in county jail, 0:17:57.680 --> 0:18:01.920 he was a constant nuisance, pushing boundaries and acting entitled. 0:18:02.600 --> 0:18:05.359 To break down what these reports reveal about him, here's 0:18:05.440 --> 0:18:09.280 crime Analyzed body move in. Along with Kat's Studio's producer 0:18:09.560 --> 0:18:12.960 Alison Bankston, we. 0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:17.639 Learned the documents tell us that Brian Koberger was annoying 0:18:18.240 --> 0:18:21.040 in Leaytal County jail. The people that were in jail 0:18:21.040 --> 0:18:24.480 with him found him incredibly annoying. He would pace his cell, 0:18:24.760 --> 0:18:26.879 he would wash his hands constantly. 0:18:27.400 --> 0:18:29.679 And I guess when he first was admitted into Leyta 0:18:29.800 --> 0:18:32.440 County he just walked into the pod and saw himself 0:18:32.440 --> 0:18:35.600 on TV and was like, Wow, I'm on every channel. 0:18:36.000 --> 0:18:38.919 What a bizarre thing to say for your grand entrance. 0:18:38.960 --> 0:18:41.480 And this is before he even pled. You know, he's 0:18:41.520 --> 0:18:44.320 presumed innocent. He's acting all proud that he's on TV. 0:18:45.040 --> 0:18:47.399 Odd behavior. And you know the weird thing too in 0:18:47.400 --> 0:18:49.960 this particular report is that you know this inmate is saying, 0:18:50.240 --> 0:18:52.800 Brian loved watching the news when it was just him 0:18:53.280 --> 0:18:55.720 on it. You know, news stores just surrended his case. 0:18:56.200 --> 0:18:59.440 But he would have immediately changed the channel if his 0:18:59.440 --> 0:19:02.639 family would mentioned, like, immediately he'd turn it off. And 0:19:02.680 --> 0:19:05.560 these fellow inmates are also saying, you know that he'd 0:19:05.560 --> 0:19:08.560 spent hours and hours on the phone with his mom. 0:19:09.119 --> 0:19:12.760 Right And in one instance, one of the inmates was 0:19:12.760 --> 0:19:15.640 watching TV like kind of in like their day room, 0:19:15.680 --> 0:19:18.240 I'm imagining, and Brian Coberger was on the phone with 0:19:18.280 --> 0:19:21.480 his mother and you know, he's watching sports on TV 0:19:21.600 --> 0:19:24.439 and he's yelling at the TV shut up or you know, 0:19:24.680 --> 0:19:27.720 something along those lines. And Brian Coberger kind of rushed 0:19:27.720 --> 0:19:30.159 over and put his you know, head between the bars 0:19:30.520 --> 0:19:31.560 and said, what did you say? 0:19:31.760 --> 0:19:32.240 Are you taking? 0:19:32.280 --> 0:19:35.360 You know, kind of implying that the inmate was talking 0:19:35.400 --> 0:19:39.240 about Brian Coberger's mom and Brian got incessant about it. 0:19:39.240 --> 0:19:41.919 That's pretty scary, listen. I'm not a psychologist, so I 0:19:41.920 --> 0:19:44.159 don't know the answer. Is there something weird there with 0:19:44.200 --> 0:19:48.159 his mom? Does he have some sort of reverence for 0:19:48.240 --> 0:19:51.920 his mom and maybe women don't live up to his 0:19:51.960 --> 0:19:55.080 mom's you know image, like is he modonifying his mom 0:19:55.119 --> 0:19:56.399 in some way, I don't know. 0:19:58.800 --> 0:20:02.080 We brought in Robin Drea, a retired FBI special agent 0:20:02.240 --> 0:20:06.800 and former head of the bureau's counter Intelligence Behavioral Analysis program, 0:20:06.840 --> 0:20:11.240 to offer his perspective on Brian Coberger's complicated and potentially 0:20:11.280 --> 0:20:13.400 strange relationship with his mother. 0:20:15.680 --> 0:20:19.280 His relationship with his mom is really interesting, you know, 0:20:19.320 --> 0:20:21.600 and we see these with other serial killers too, Like 0:20:21.760 --> 0:20:24.879 Brian Coberger's mom seems like a normal person. What is 0:20:24.920 --> 0:20:28.920 it about someone's relationship with their mom and this idolization 0:20:29.040 --> 0:20:31.600 of their mom that would make like a hatred for 0:20:31.680 --> 0:20:33.639 women or a want to kill? What is it with 0:20:33.760 --> 0:20:35.000 serial killers and mothers? 0:20:35.400 --> 0:20:36.439 They're all different, you know? 0:20:36.600 --> 0:20:38.679 The only sense I get again, no data points on 0:20:38.720 --> 0:20:41.000 this because the mother's not sharing anything, but from what 0:20:41.040 --> 0:20:44.040 we see from the family dynamic and limited data points, 0:20:44.080 --> 0:20:45.919 you know, So it's all conjecture. I don't get the 0:20:45.960 --> 0:20:48.199 sense of a Norman Bates kind of thing here with 0:20:48.280 --> 0:20:51.760 a domineering mother. To me, this is in one I've 0:20:51.760 --> 0:20:55.000 seen other A few psychologists online say it's not necessarily 0:20:55.040 --> 0:20:58.240 mother fixation. I just think this is his only sense 0:20:58.400 --> 0:21:01.480 of emotional anchoring, he gets, his only sense of anchoring 0:21:01.560 --> 0:21:04.840 he has because life in his brain is just chaos, 0:21:04.880 --> 0:21:06.840 I think, and he can't and that's why he's OCD. 0:21:06.920 --> 0:21:09.320 That's why he fixates on things is try to try 0:21:09.359 --> 0:21:12.200 to control that. And the only thing that's that's been 0:21:12.320 --> 0:21:16.240 stable that doesn't bring chaos to his brain. My estimation 0:21:16.520 --> 0:21:20.240 is his mother, because what a mother does, or just 0:21:20.320 --> 0:21:25.840 any any compassionate, empathetic individual will do is not judge. 0:21:25.960 --> 0:21:29.440 And when you're not being judged, that becomes an anchor 0:21:29.520 --> 0:21:31.960 for you that no matter what happens, I can go 0:21:32.000 --> 0:21:33.440 back to my ancher, no matter what happens, to go 0:21:33.480 --> 0:21:36.240 back to my anchor. And so I my estimation, my 0:21:36.359 --> 0:21:39.760 conjecture is she is just that anchor that was there 0:21:40.080 --> 0:21:41.960 no matter what he did, no matter what kind of 0:21:42.000 --> 0:21:44.359 day he's having. You know, Dad's the one that's gonna 0:21:44.520 --> 0:21:47.159 help me by taking action, by turning me into the 0:21:47.160 --> 0:21:49.640 police when I steal my sister's cell phone and take 0:21:49.680 --> 0:21:51.880 actions to drive across the country with me, because he's 0:21:51.880 --> 0:21:54.480 a carrying dad. But dad's a dad in this case, 0:21:54.520 --> 0:21:57.439 looks like a problem solver. Mom just looks like the anchor. 0:21:57.640 --> 0:22:00.720 And so he's holding on that anchor. And as things 0:22:00.760 --> 0:22:02.600 got more chaotic, what do you do you go back 0:22:02.600 --> 0:22:04.560 to your anchor more. That's why I think he called 0:22:04.560 --> 0:22:06.080 her more and more and more in prison. 0:22:06.520 --> 0:22:08.480 Yeah, that makes total sense. Thank you. You know, I 0:22:08.520 --> 0:22:10.520 honestly really feel for his mom. That has to be 0:22:10.520 --> 0:22:12.840 such a tough situation to be in. No mothers are 0:22:12.880 --> 0:22:15.360 supposed to love their sons. She can't just ignore his 0:22:15.400 --> 0:22:19.680 phone calls. I'm sure this is heartbreaking and devastating for her. 0:22:19.960 --> 0:22:23.000 I honestly don't know what I would do. I also 0:22:23.000 --> 0:22:26.000 wanted to ask you another question about Brian Colberger's prison 0:22:26.040 --> 0:22:29.760 life from a behavioral standpoint, Just something I was wondering about. 0:22:29.840 --> 0:22:32.320 You know, he seems like such a cocky person. You know, 0:22:32.400 --> 0:22:34.480 we read earlier reports that he was bragg you know, 0:22:34.480 --> 0:22:37.320 a being on TV to his fellow inmates. A lot 0:22:37.320 --> 0:22:39.280 of people who knew him said he always had to 0:22:39.280 --> 0:22:42.159 be the smartest person in the room. Going into prison, 0:22:42.200 --> 0:22:43.800 do you think that he thought, I'm going to be 0:22:43.800 --> 0:22:46.560 the most popular person there, I'm going to be notorious. 0:22:46.680 --> 0:22:48.720 I did the worst thing. What do you think was 0:22:48.760 --> 0:22:51.800