Speaker 1: To be sent to MZ, you have to commit the
Speaker 1: worst of the worst crimes in Idaho.
Speaker 2: He's holding on that anchor and as things got more chaotic,
Speaker 2: what do you do?
Speaker 3: You go back to your anchor more He does have
Speaker 3: a target on his back. One hundred percent.
Speaker 4: This is the Idaho Massacre. A production of KAT Studios
Speaker 4: and iHeartRadio, Season three, Episode six, Behind Bars. I'm Courtney Armstrong,
Speaker 4: a producer at KAT Studios, with Stephanie Leideger, Gabriel Castillo,
Speaker 4: and Alison Bankston. On July twenty third, twenty twenty five,
Speaker 4: Brian Coberger officially became inmate number one six three two
Speaker 4: one four at the Idaho Maximum Security Institution in Kuna, Idaho.
Speaker 4: It's a notorious facility that lands it on Security Journal
Speaker 4: America's twenty twenty four list of the worst prisons in
Speaker 4: the United States. It's built to contain the state's most
Speaker 4: violent and unpredictable offenders. This prison has a reputation for
Speaker 4: relentless conditions, solitary confinement, overcrowding, and frequent lockdowns inside. Inmates
Speaker 4: have few opportunities for social interaction, education, or rehabilitation. The
Speaker 4: facility has also been criticized as an environment that often
Speaker 4: breeds severe behavioral issues for harsh treatment and lack of
Speaker 4: adequate mental health care. Reports of inmate on inmate violence
Speaker 4: are common, and allegations of excessive force by correctional officers
Speaker 4: continue to hang over the institution's legacy. It's a place
Speaker 4: where survival is a daily struggle. To help us understand
Speaker 4: what life behind these walls will really be like for
Speaker 4: Brian Kobecker, we turn to bail bondsman Kevin Corson, a
Speaker 4: man who knows the inner workings of this infamous facility.
Speaker 4: He's joined by a KT Studios producer, Alison Bankston.
Speaker 5: If you can tell me about your background, what you
Speaker 5: do with your bail company, how you related to the prison.
Speaker 1: I've been doing this for about ten years and I
Speaker 1: love it. And we have a lot of people that
Speaker 1: get sent to prison. Obviously, the clients that we work
Speaker 1: with and we hear back from them. You know a
Speaker 1: lot about the conditions and stuff like that that we
Speaker 1: hear about, and you know just kind of what it's
Speaker 1: like there.
Speaker 5: Well, can you tell me about the Idaho Maximum Security
Speaker 5: Institution for someone who's never been there, can you paint
Speaker 5: kind of a very detailed picture of it, walk me
Speaker 5: through it.
Speaker 1: So it was constructed in nineteen eighty nine. It is
Speaker 1: currently set up to house roughly five hundred and thirty prisoners.
Speaker 1: So when you pull up to the South Boise Prison
Speaker 1: Complex where IMSI, the Maximum Security Institution is housed, it's
Speaker 1: seven different buildings that you're you're kind of pulling up
Speaker 1: to there, and it ranges from alternative placement to work release,
Speaker 1: to a women's prison, to a general prison, to community
Speaker 1: and reintroducement facilities. And the Maximum Security Institution is one
Speaker 1: of seven of those buildings out there, and it is
Speaker 1: the one with double fencing around it. It's got razor wire,
Speaker 1: it has electronic monitoring on the outside. It has twenty
Speaker 1: four hour guards on the outside that are armed fully
Speaker 1: watching the perimeter at any given time. To be sent
Speaker 1: to MZ, you have to either commit murder or a rape,
Speaker 1: or you know, several different things stacking up really extreme
Speaker 1: cases of drug trafficking and stuff like that. Definitely the
Speaker 1: worst of the worst crimes in Idaho, not just not
Speaker 1: just a theft or beating somebody up and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: or aggravated assault, or it's gonna be somebody that they
Speaker 1: see as a high risk for reoffense, or they have
Speaker 1: an entire lifetime a rap sheet of this and there's
Speaker 1: just no turning this person around. So everybody in IMSI
Speaker 1: is under very strict housing, but not everybody has the
Speaker 1: twenty three hour a day rule. There are some inmates
Speaker 1: that are like in close custody, that are able to
Speaker 1: have more freedom within the facility and be housed with
Speaker 1: each other, eat their meals somewhat normally, not in their
Speaker 1: cell for the rest of their life.
Speaker 5: And how about Brian Coberger? Where is he housed? What
Speaker 5: is his custody situation?
Speaker 1: Like Coberger's now housed on J Block. J Block is
Speaker 1: as secure as it gets.
Speaker 3: It's very bare bones.
Speaker 1: There's only the stuff you need. It's not a comfy bed,
Speaker 1: it's not a comfy toilet to sit on. It's a
Speaker 1: dirty sink and a slot for your food to come
Speaker 1: through for every meal.
Speaker 3: That you're gonna eat.
Speaker 1: J Block is where the death row inmates are housed,
Speaker 1: as well as the max of the max.
Speaker 3: Prisoners are kept.
Speaker 1: So there's a section for death row and there's also
Speaker 1: a section for people that are up there with that
Speaker 1: security level but not on death row, and they eat
Speaker 1: in their cells every meal or however long they're there.
Speaker 5: What is life like in these cells? What do these
Speaker 5: inmates do for entertainment?
Speaker 3: You don't have access to a TV in the cell.
Speaker 1: You can get an iPad and you can come out
Speaker 1: into the open area outside of the cell.
Speaker 3: You're one hour a day that you're allowed out.
Speaker 1: You can either go exercise, you can buy a tablet
Speaker 1: and have access to visit people on that. Limited access
Speaker 1: to the internet, limited access to TV shows, but you're
Speaker 1: only allowed an hour out a day. So you better
Speaker 1: choose wisely what you want to do. When you're watching
Speaker 1: this iPad, you're going to be in a cage in
Speaker 1: the middle of this room, and so you can't just
Speaker 1: walk around with it.
Speaker 3: You can't bring it back to your cell.
Speaker 5: I'm intrigued what you said about the tablets. So I
Speaker 5: think a lot of people so they can't bring the
Speaker 5: tablets into their cells. No, because I think when I
Speaker 5: first read that he had a tablet and maybe get
Speaker 5: a TV, I'm thinking, Oh, he's just gonna watch movies
Speaker 5: all day in his cell and be entertained. But so
Speaker 5: I think that's a good distinction, is that they're only
Speaker 5: allowed one hour and they can play with their tablet.
Speaker 1: Then essentially yep, one hour a day tablet visitation, exercise,
Speaker 1: watching a show on the tablet, watching you know, limited
Speaker 1: internet and books. But other than that, that other twenty
Speaker 1: three hours a day you're staring at a wall.
Speaker 5: Do you know what kind of like TV shows they
Speaker 5: have access to and what websites they can go on.
Speaker 1: So the websites are mainly going to be informational. If
Speaker 1: an inmate wants to appeal their case, they have access
Speaker 1: to stuff like that, Like I said, just purely informational.
Speaker 3: No Facebook.
Speaker 1: As far as the TV shows, it's going to be
Speaker 1: nothing of violence, nothing that kind of pertains to why
Speaker 1: they're there, Nothing that they can sort of enjoy.
Speaker 3: Right, he gets to shower every other day. It's kind
Speaker 3: of odd to think about, but that sucks.
Speaker 1: But that's where you are, and it's pretty much the
Speaker 1: same for the rest of the inmates.
Speaker 5: One thing that really stood out to me is, you know,
Speaker 5: there's been this document dump and we're kind of learning
Speaker 5: some things about what his life was like at the
Speaker 5: Leita County Jail. I guess he was known for taking
Speaker 5: like our showers and he would just sit in there
Speaker 5: and you know, wash his hands aggressively all the time.
Speaker 5: That's not something he could do at IMSI. It sounds like, so.
Speaker 1: He does have access to a sink, but you know,
Speaker 1: it sounds like he's kind of a germophobe and needing
Speaker 1: to wash the hands all the time, and he's kind
Speaker 1: of maybe a little bit ocd about stuff. And he's
Speaker 1: gonna probably not have a lot of soap that they're
Speaker 1: gonna be providing him all the time. That's kind of
Speaker 1: a luxury as far as he's doing it. But yeah,
Speaker 1: he does have access to a sink and the shower
Speaker 1: thing probably really bugs him every other day.
Speaker 5: Do you know anything about the food in there, like
Speaker 5: the fact that he's, you know, a very strict vegan.
Speaker 5: What could he be seen, how could he how could
Speaker 5: the rest of his life look from from that standpoint?
Speaker 1: The dietary requirements for an individual, whether they be vegan vegetarian,
Speaker 1: the prison does accommodate that, and they do have certain
Speaker 1: menus that they are able to give the inmates if
Speaker 1: you get too picky, though it's clearly says on the
Speaker 1: website we're not going to jump through hoops for you,
Speaker 1: but they do provide what they're required to as far
Speaker 1: as dietary restrictions. And yeah, I actually have a menu
Speaker 1: right here for mzy.
Speaker 5: I'm so curious. Yes, please share.
Speaker 3: I mean it's not a bad menu.
Speaker 1: Biscuits and gravy for breakfast, peanut butter pancakes another day,
Speaker 1: French toast, coffee cake, pumpkin bread.
Speaker 3: And this is stuff that not only the.
Speaker 1: Close custody people are getting, but also on J Block
Speaker 1: death row. And you know, the worst of the worst there,
Speaker 1: all the way down to lower level. Day two of
Speaker 1: the month, you're gonna get mac and cheese, you know,
Speaker 1: day six, pizza, barbecue, chicken, chili, beef, tacos, meat loaf.
Speaker 3: So it doesn't sound very bad.
Speaker 1: You know, there's visitation there, in person visitation, but it's
Speaker 1: very limited. It's very strict as far as who can go.
Speaker 1: There's a whole application process for somebody.
Speaker 3: Coming to visit an inmate there, and.
Speaker 1: Coberger's days will be Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday that
Speaker 1: he's limited to.
Speaker 5: Oh wow, so yeah, actually has quite a few days
Speaker 5: for visitors to show.
Speaker 1: Up, correct, But it all has to be approved and
Speaker 1: it's not you know, the prison system, they're.
Speaker 3: Liable for these people's safety. They have to provide food, water, shelter.
Speaker 1: And beyond that, a limited amount of exercise. If the
Speaker 1: prisoner is, you know, behaving well, they can do that.
Speaker 1: As far as visiting, they can easily deny people coming
Speaker 1: or even video.
Speaker 5: Some of the people that you work with, they come
Speaker 5: back to you and they tell you what IMSI is like.
Speaker 5: What are some of the stories they've shared with you
Speaker 5: about their experiences there.
Speaker 1: The status of the living situation there has been kind
Speaker 1: of a contentious issue with the Department of Correction here.
Speaker 1: There's been many complaints about the living conditions, the excessive
Speaker 1: use of wars, the excessive use of solitary confinement for
Speaker 1: inmates that you know. The stories are they did nothing
Speaker 1: wrong and it's been investigated and there's been a couple
Speaker 1: of lawsuits about it against the Department of Correction here.
Speaker 1: And it's not a nice place. It's not clean. Coburger
Speaker 1: is going to hate that. The vents, We've all heard
Speaker 1: about PCs being shoved into the vents and the event
Speaker 1: system goes around to the entire place. I have heard
Speaker 1: about people communicating through vents from clients and inmates urinating
Speaker 1: on the floor. And it's just kind of a constant
Speaker 1: game of cleanup there. And these people have nothing left
Speaker 1: to lose, you know, they're already being put in solitary
Speaker 1: and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: Wor can you do? And it's a very very dark place.
Speaker 4: Let's stop here for a break. We'll be back in
Speaker 4: a moment. On July twenty third, twenty twenty five, Brian
Speaker 4: Coberger began the rest of his existence inside the Idaho
Speaker 4: Maximum Security Institution after being sentenced to four consecutive life
Speaker 4: terms for the brutal murders of Madison Mogen, Kaylie Gonsalvez,
Speaker 4: Xana Kernodle, and Ethan Shapin. Known as IMSI, this facility
Speaker 4: is reserved for Idaho's most violent and dangerous inmates. It's
Speaker 4: a place that has garnered a reputation for its harsh,
Speaker 4: hell like conditions, overcrowding, extended lockdowns, and criticism over the
Speaker 4: poor treatment of inmates. For many, life at IMSI is isolating, grueling,
Speaker 4: and relentless. Now that's the world Brian Coberger is facing
Speaker 4: every single day, and it seems he's struggling to adapt.
Speaker 4: Reports indicate he's been firing off complaint after complaint to
Speaker 4: prison staff, detailing his discontent with his new reality. Here's
Speaker 4: Stephanie Laideker with crime analyst Body Movin breaking down Coberger's
Speaker 4: latest prison quarrels and what they might reveal about him.
Speaker 6: This is why I'm calling him Brian Karenberger. His handwriting
Speaker 6: is literally the worst thing ever. But I'm going to
Speaker 6: read them to you. You're going to get so crazy.
Speaker 6: Just by the way, trigger alert. This is going to
Speaker 6: make everybody nuts. I feel so enraged right now, and
Speaker 6: that's a rare feeling for me. I'm not really the
Speaker 6: enraged one. But you really know, you're very level headed.
Speaker 6: This was dated on July twenty seventh, and he was
Speaker 6: still in medical on the twenty seventh. Okay, so we
Speaker 6: need to keep all that in mind. Okay, So this
Speaker 6: is written on the twenty seventh, and he says, I
Speaker 6: need access to the JPay system to act access and
Speaker 6: complete an order created on I think it's or crafted
Speaker 6: on a full commissary menu.
Speaker 4: Commis hungry.
Speaker 6: When attempting to access JP, I am given an error
Speaker 6: that I am not set up in the system at
Speaker 6: the Sea Block. Again, he's in medical at this time. Okay,
Speaker 6: at the Sea Block, Kiosk may I temporarily moved in
Speaker 6: the system to do so. Thank you for your assistance.
Speaker 7: So that's all.
Speaker 6: That's one complaint, Okay. The next one is, okay, I
Speaker 6: did not receive my lunch on seven thirty, twenty twenty
Speaker 6: five despite inquiring. Although I understand that the something became hectic,
Speaker 6: it was never communicated to me that I would be
Speaker 6: unable to receive a new bag. The next shift was
Speaker 6: not aware of this either. I wish to access this
Speaker 6: as I have a right to this meal. Thank you.
Speaker 6: And then it says I have tried to solve this
Speaker 6: problem informally by and then he's says speaking with staff
Speaker 6: several times. And then the next thing, it says, I
Speaker 6: suggest the following solution for the problem. And he says,
Speaker 6: in the future, I wish to receive my lunch without exception.
Speaker 6: This could be accomplished by sending for the replacement as
Speaker 6: rapidly as possible.
Speaker 7: What a great solution. That's the whole Thank god you're
Speaker 7: here right. Well, listen, I would suggest you don't murder
Speaker 7: four people. I would tend go to prison and expect
Speaker 7: your vegan meal. The end exclamation point. That story is over.
Speaker 6: Right, And he had said something like, you know, if
Speaker 6: I don't receive everything on my tray, you're not meeting
Speaker 6: the nutritial requirements as documented by your own policy. And immediately,
Speaker 6: immediately I was like, what I wonder if you know
Speaker 6: the children or the young adults that you murdered, you know,
Speaker 6: wonder about you violating their policy for you know, the
Speaker 6: right to live and the people that you arrassed to
Speaker 6: wsu the policy of violating Title line media.
Speaker 7: How about being a total creeper and making everybody super uncomfortable.
Speaker 7: And then you're taking the lives of four extraordinary human beings,
Speaker 7: wrecking GEDI generations of lives for all of their families,
Speaker 7: all of those who knew them and loved them. The
Speaker 7: ripple effect of that will go on for generations and
Speaker 7: generations and generations. And this clown feels it's appropriate to
Speaker 7: be upset about his meals, right, Yeah, I gotta tell
Speaker 7: you the nerve. It feels to me like it's not
Speaker 7: sinking in entirely to Brian Coburger, that he's not getting
Speaker 7: the fact that he was spared his life and he
Speaker 7: took a coward's way out by not sharing any of
Speaker 7: the details or any of the information for reasons we'll
Speaker 7: never know, and now he just wants to be treated
Speaker 7: per the law for prison conduct. Give me a break.
Speaker 6: So in addition to the meal complaints, which I think,
Speaker 6: you know, I mean, listen, I do think that we
Speaker 6: need to feed these people, but he's also complaining about
Speaker 6: being taunted in prison by the other inmates. He's saying
Speaker 6: he's being sexually harassed. Coburger accused one inmate of saying
Speaker 6: I'll but f you, and another stating that the only
Speaker 6: ass we're going to be eating is He requested a
Speaker 6: transfer out of the J block, got moved up one
Speaker 6: floor to J two, which is the second level. He
Speaker 6: filed a complaint saying that he was being subjected to
Speaker 6: minute by minute threats and harassment. His cell was flooded.
Speaker 6: He told the committee that he wants to eventually be
Speaker 6: allowed to work and be productive in prison and have
Speaker 6: shared recreation, just like any other high profile resident on
Speaker 6: J two does. And you know, listen, in ten years,
Speaker 6: people probably will have forgotten about Brian Coberger and he
Speaker 6: might get that privilege. But for right now, he's exactly
Speaker 6: where he belongs by himself in a cell only allowed
Speaker 6: out one hour day in shackles and only allowed to
Speaker 6: shower every other day.
Speaker 4: And Coburger's entitled behavior didn't start at the Idaho Maximum
Speaker 4: Security Institution. Documents released by the Moscow Police Department and
Speaker 4: the Idaho State Police show that even in county jail,
Speaker 4: he was a constant nuisance, pushing boundaries and acting entitled.
Speaker 4: To break down what these reports reveal about him, here's
Speaker 4: crime Analyzed body move in. Along with Kat's Studio's producer
Speaker 4: Alison Bankston, we.
Speaker 6: Learned the documents tell us that Brian Koberger was annoying
Speaker 6: in Leaytal County jail. The people that were in jail
Speaker 6: with him found him incredibly annoying. He would pace his cell,
Speaker 6: he would wash his hands constantly.
Speaker 5: And I guess when he first was admitted into Leyta
Speaker 5: County he just walked into the pod and saw himself
Speaker 5: on TV and was like, Wow, I'm on every channel.
Speaker 5: What a bizarre thing to say for your grand entrance.
Speaker 5: And this is before he even pled. You know, he's
Speaker 5: presumed innocent. He's acting all proud that he's on TV.
Speaker 5: Odd behavior. And you know the weird thing too in
Speaker 5: this particular report is that you know this inmate is saying,
Speaker 5: Brian loved watching the news when it was just him
Speaker 5: on it. You know, news stores just surrended his case.
Speaker 5: But he would have immediately changed the channel if his
Speaker 5: family would mentioned, like, immediately he'd turn it off. And
Speaker 5: these fellow inmates are also saying, you know that he'd
Speaker 5: spent hours and hours on the phone with his mom.
Speaker 6: Right And in one instance, one of the inmates was
Speaker 6: watching TV like kind of in like their day room,
Speaker 6: I'm imagining, and Brian Coberger was on the phone with
Speaker 6: his mother and you know, he's watching sports on TV
Speaker 6: and he's yelling at the TV shut up or you know,
Speaker 6: something along those lines. And Brian Coberger kind of rushed
Speaker 6: over and put his you know, head between the bars
Speaker 6: and said, what did you say?
Speaker 4: Are you taking?
Speaker 6: You know, kind of implying that the inmate was talking
Speaker 6: about Brian Coberger's mom and Brian got incessant about it.
Speaker 6: That's pretty scary, listen. I'm not a psychologist, so I
Speaker 6: don't know the answer. Is there something weird there with
Speaker 6: his mom? Does he have some sort of reverence for
Speaker 6: his mom and maybe women don't live up to his
Speaker 6: mom's you know image, like is he modonifying his mom
Speaker 6: in some way, I don't know.
Speaker 4: We brought in Robin Drea, a retired FBI special agent
Speaker 4: and former head of the bureau's counter Intelligence Behavioral Analysis program,
Speaker 4: to offer his perspective on Brian Coberger's complicated and potentially
Speaker 4: strange relationship with his mother.
Speaker 5: His relationship with his mom is really interesting, you know,
Speaker 5: and we see these with other serial killers too, Like
Speaker 5: Brian Coberger's mom seems like a normal person. What is
Speaker 5: it about someone's relationship with their mom and this idolization
Speaker 5: of their mom that would make like a hatred for
Speaker 5: women or a want to kill? What is it with
Speaker 5: serial killers and mothers?
Speaker 3: They're all different, you know?
Speaker 2: The only sense I get again, no data points on
Speaker 2: this because the mother's not sharing anything, but from what
Speaker 2: we see from the family dynamic and limited data points,
Speaker 2: you know, So it's all conjecture. I don't get the
Speaker 2: sense of a Norman Bates kind of thing here with
Speaker 2: a domineering mother. To me, this is in one I've
Speaker 2: seen other A few psychologists online say it's not necessarily
Speaker 2: mother fixation. I just think this is his only sense
Speaker 2: of emotional anchoring, he gets, his only sense of anchoring
Speaker 2: he has because life in his brain is just chaos,
Speaker 2: I think, and he can't and that's why he's OCD.
Speaker 2: That's why he fixates on things is try to try
Speaker 2: to control that. And the only thing that's that's been
Speaker 2: stable that doesn't bring chaos to his brain. My estimation
Speaker 2: is his mother, because what a mother does, or just
Speaker 2: any any compassionate, empathetic individual will do is not judge.
Speaker 2: And when you're not being judged, that becomes an anchor
Speaker 2: for you that no matter what happens, I can go
Speaker 2: back to my ancher, no matter what happens, to go
Speaker 2: back to my anchor. And so I my estimation, my
Speaker 2: conjecture is she is just that anchor that was there
Speaker 2: no matter what he did, no matter what kind of
Speaker 2: day he's having. You know, Dad's the one that's gonna
Speaker 2: help me by taking action, by turning me into the
Speaker 2: police when I steal my sister's cell phone and take
Speaker 2: actions to drive across the country with me, because he's
Speaker 2: a carrying dad. But dad's a dad in this case,
Speaker 2: looks like a problem solver. Mom just looks like the anchor.
Speaker 2: And so he's holding on that anchor. And as things
Speaker 2: got more chaotic, what do you do you go back
Speaker 2: to your anchor more. That's why I think he called
Speaker 2: her more and more and more in prison.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that makes total sense. Thank you. You know, I
Speaker 5: honestly really feel for his mom. That has to be
Speaker 5: such a tough situation to be in. No mothers are
Speaker 5: supposed to love their sons. She can't just ignore his
Speaker 5: phone calls. I'm sure this is heartbreaking and devastating for her.
Speaker 5: I honestly don't know what I would do. I also
Speaker 5: wanted to ask you another question about Brian Colberger's prison
Speaker 5: life from a behavioral standpoint, Just something I was wondering about.
Speaker 5: You know, he seems like such a cocky person. You know,
Speaker 5: we read earlier reports that he was bragg you know,
Speaker 5: a being on TV to his fellow inmates. A lot
Speaker 5: of people who knew him said he always had to
Speaker 5: be the smartest person in the room. Going into prison,
Speaker 5: do you think that he thought, I'm going to be
Speaker 5: the most popular person there, I'm going to be notorious.
Speaker 5: I did the worst thing. What do you think was
Speaker 5: going through his mind before he decided to plead guilty
Speaker 5: and say, you know, I'm going to spend the rest
Speaker 5: of my life in prison.
Speaker 2: So one of things that I believe are a motivation
Speaker 2: for the behavior he had is and he said it
Speaker 2: earlier in life, he wasn't stimulated by anything. So you're
Speaker 2: constantly going for some sort of emotional stimulation. That's why
Speaker 2: he experimented and got into drugs. It's why we do
Speaker 2: everything in life, kickboxing and will give you, you know, stimulation.
Speaker 2: So I think he was always seeking some sort of stimulation.
Speaker 2: So I think when he resolved to finally admit guilt,
Speaker 2: he was looking forward to being stimulated by being notorious
Speaker 2: in prison. So his mind started shifting. It's like I
Speaker 2: will be this famous person. But because he thinks in
Speaker 2: a stovepipe, he wasn't really fully appreciating the fact of
Speaker 2: how prisons generally run about. And if you kill women
Speaker 2: or children.
Speaker 4: Let's stop here for a break. We'll be back in
Speaker 4: a moment. Brian Coberger may have believed his name would
Speaker 4: carry weight behind bars, but prison life doesn't work that way.
Speaker 4: To explain why we back bail bondsman Kevin Corson, he
Speaker 4: spent years around inmates and understands the reality of surviving inside.
Speaker 1: He goes to this facility and there's you know, there's
Speaker 1: people in there. This is their home, and when you're
Speaker 1: in these places, you're you're the biggest and baddest person
Speaker 1: in there, and that's that's how you survive.
Speaker 3: And he's the new guy there. Yeah, he probably does have.
Speaker 1: That thinking, I'm gonna have notoriety when I get there,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna be this guy that did this, and
Speaker 1: all these other bad people are gonna look up to me.
Speaker 1: That's not the case. You're coming into their house where
Speaker 1: they live, and you know, you better play by the rules.
Speaker 1: And that's the number one reason why they have to
Speaker 1: keep him away from other people, because it's not notoriety
Speaker 1: that he has there. It's these people that are the
Speaker 1: biggest and the baddest that would love to hurt him.
Speaker 1: Stick him with a fork, stick him, you know, with
Speaker 1: a shaved down blade, to make a name for themselves
Speaker 1: because this is their home and it has been for
Speaker 1: a while. So you get so institutionalized with the way
Speaker 1: you deal with stuff, and it's technically a you know,
Speaker 1: a disrespect.
Speaker 3: You're coming into my home and we're going to make
Speaker 3: sure you play by our rules.
Speaker 1: Otherwise, if we have the chance to get you, we will.
Speaker 1: And he does have a target on his back one
Speaker 1: hundred percent.
Speaker 4: And it's a target he will likely carry for the
Speaker 4: rest of his life. There is very little chance that
Speaker 4: Brian Coberger will ever see the general prison population again.
Speaker 4: His future is one of permanent solitary confinement, a world
Speaker 4: of cement walls, endless lockdowns, and hours that bleed together
Speaker 4: into gray, monotonous days. No redemption, no freedom, no escape,
Speaker 4: just the consequences of his own choices haunting him every
Speaker 4: single day. What's the existence he created? This is the
Speaker 4: life he will endure, and this is the legacy he
Speaker 4: leaves behind. Next time, on the Idaho Massacre, we're joined
Speaker 4: by sociologist doctor Michael Kimmel, a leading expert on men's
Speaker 4: studies and masculinities. Some have speculated that Brian Colberger could
Speaker 4: have been part of the in cell movement, But is
Speaker 4: that really true or is it just another label being
Speaker 4: placed on him? Next week we'll explore the evidence and
Speaker 4: the uncertainty surrounding this theory. More on that next time.
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