WEBVTT - Ep. 344: That Ringing In Your Ears That Drives You Nuts 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:12.720 This is me eat your podcast coming at you shirtless, 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:18.319 severely bug bitten in my case, underwear listening podcast. You 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:24.080 can't predict anything presented by first like creating proven, versatile 0:00:24.120 --> 0:00:28.040 hunting apparel from Marino bass layers to technical outerwear for 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:35.559 every hunt. First light, go farther, stay longer. Al Right, 0:00:35.600 --> 0:00:38.280 everybody eight Grace. When I say Grace, not this time 0:00:38.280 --> 0:00:42.840 and next time, but not this time. When I say Grace, 0:00:43.000 --> 0:00:44.760 not this time, but next time, you fill in your 0:00:44.840 --> 0:00:49.519 last name. Okay, we're joined by Grace, an audiologist and 0:00:49.560 --> 0:00:53.200 the founder of auto pro. You would talk about, among 0:00:53.240 --> 0:00:57.040 many other things, Um, is it auto or Otto It's 0:00:58.360 --> 0:01:00.480 but I didn't want to interrupt you right off the bat. 0:01:03.040 --> 0:01:07.680 We're talking about souped up um, souped up hearing protection 0:01:07.800 --> 0:01:10.200 and what happens to your ears when you a lifetime 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:13.640 a gun shooting or a few weekends of being in 0:01:13.640 --> 0:01:18.080 a duck blind and then your body rips one across 0:01:18.160 --> 0:01:20.639 your ear, and then for the next couple of days, 0:01:20.800 --> 0:01:26.160 it's like you're thinking, man, that probably did something, but 0:01:26.240 --> 0:01:29.720 I don't know, Like, what did it do? Do you 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:33.560 want that? Now? I'm just teeing it up. I'll point 0:01:33.560 --> 0:01:35.120 out to the graceers. Just tell him that she's no 0:01:35.319 --> 0:01:37.679 stranger to microphones because he used to do what now? 0:01:38.600 --> 0:01:41.520 I hosted the midday Motown and sixties classic show and 0:01:41.520 --> 0:01:45.360 start any two point three FM Granada nice like Granada 0:01:45.440 --> 0:01:50.080 down in Mississippi. Also not where Noriega, nine miles south 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:54.360 of Memphis, Tennessee. Um was that a paid gigha And 0:01:54.400 --> 0:01:57.760 it was awesome because I sold ads for the radio station. 0:01:57.800 --> 0:01:59.720 So I'd go around all my friend's parents had small 0:01:59.720 --> 0:02:02.320 business something Grenada, and we put together some you know, 0:02:02.440 --> 0:02:05.200 cheesy fund commercials for him, and then I got residuals 0:02:05.200 --> 0:02:08.200 off that checking the mail in college for like the 0:02:08.280 --> 0:02:10.160 next year. Were you were you wanting to be a 0:02:10.280 --> 0:02:12.360 Were you wanting to be a media like a like 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:15.680 a media professional. I've always been into music and growing 0:02:15.760 --> 0:02:18.360 up I was around like old music. I'm an Elvis fan, 0:02:18.480 --> 0:02:20.320 So I mean it was kind of when I heard 0:02:20.360 --> 0:02:22.000 about this gig at the radio station, I'm like, well, 0:02:22.040 --> 0:02:24.400 that sounds pretty cool. And I've just never been a 0:02:24.440 --> 0:02:28.720 stranger to the microphone and now you're definitely no stranger 0:02:28.760 --> 0:02:34.720 to the headphones. Yeah, so uh you being an Elvis fan? 0:02:34.800 --> 0:02:36.720 Was your face is there like a connection between your 0:02:36.760 --> 0:02:41.160 name being Grace and Grace Lane and all grandmother and 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:43.800 on the other side of my family, I was named 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:45.440 after a woman on my dad's side of the family. 0:02:45.440 --> 0:02:47.760 On my mom's side of the family, my grandmother, who's 0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:50.040 still living, is a huge Elvis fan and would take 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:53.080 me to Graceland and she actually met Elvis once in 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:59.000 his driveway. Um, what was the moment? What you're you're 0:02:59.040 --> 0:03:02.280 so you're doing, You're like a radio DJ, and then 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:03.959 you're like, no, I'm gonna go to med school or 0:03:03.960 --> 0:03:06.360 whatever they call it. What do they call it? Audiology school? 0:03:06.400 --> 0:03:08.840 It's still a medical center at Vanderbilt. But what was that? 0:03:09.520 --> 0:03:13.640 What was that decision? That aha moment? Well, honestly, I 0:03:13.639 --> 0:03:16.200 do want to make some money. The radio gig was 0:03:16.320 --> 0:03:18.400 when I was in school at the College of Charleston, 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:21.920 which my dad still calls my two year beach vacation. Um, 0:03:22.040 --> 0:03:23.680 I was, I was all. I didn't know what I 0:03:23.680 --> 0:03:25.480 wanted to do. At one point, I was biology, at 0:03:25.520 --> 0:03:28.120 one point I was communications. I did some music classes, 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:32.200 and then, um, I as I got serious about my 0:03:32.240 --> 0:03:34.440 life what I wanted to do, I thought I wanted 0:03:34.440 --> 0:03:36.760 to be a speech pathologist. My mom is a speech 0:03:36.800 --> 0:03:39.640 language pathologist, and I've always liked just the way she's 0:03:39.640 --> 0:03:42.560 been able to balance her, you know, being a mom 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:44.920 and working in different capacities, and I thought, well, I 0:03:44.960 --> 0:03:47.480 could do that. And then through those classes, I watched 0:03:47.480 --> 0:03:50.320 a documentary about a kid that received a cochlear implant 0:03:50.640 --> 0:03:53.920 who had been born deaf, and this little girl she 0:03:54.040 --> 0:03:57.000 was working with the audiologist. After about two weeks after 0:03:57.040 --> 0:03:59.440 her surgery, you meet with the audiologist who programs and 0:03:59.520 --> 0:04:01.920 activate and turns on the implant for the first time. 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:05.040 And this little girl, who had never heard sound before, 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:08.880 had never experienced sound. The audiologists got everything all programmed, 0:04:09.200 --> 0:04:11.560 and then this little girl's mom was standing behind her 0:04:12.240 --> 0:04:14.400 and the audiologist goes, Okay, everybody, be really quiet. I'm 0:04:14.400 --> 0:04:15.760 going to turn it on. Mam. I want you to 0:04:15.800 --> 0:04:18.679 say her name. And even though the kid had no 0:04:19.279 --> 0:04:22.880 meaning associated with that sound, as a mother, now I 0:04:22.920 --> 0:04:24.919 think about that and like, it still gives me chills 0:04:25.040 --> 0:04:29.160 because mom says the kid's name in the kid's head 0:04:29.200 --> 0:04:32.240 just like whips around and a mom of course it's like, 0:04:32.279 --> 0:04:35.839 oh my baby, but I can I mean, can you imagine? 0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:39.600 And so then that that just triggered it, and as 0:04:39.680 --> 0:04:43.040 in my anatomy and physiology classes like I'm still I 0:04:43.080 --> 0:04:46.360 will nerd out about the neuroscience of how we hear 0:04:46.680 --> 0:04:48.520 and how you hear with your brain. And this part 0:04:48.560 --> 0:04:50.360 on the that hangs off the edge of your your 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:53.200 head is just the transducer. You gotta have it sent 0:04:53.240 --> 0:04:56.400 to the brain in a content, in a in a 0:04:56.440 --> 0:04:58.680 signal that has good integrity, and then your brain has 0:04:58.720 --> 0:05:02.799 to process it or else it's useless. As a UM, 0:05:02.920 --> 0:05:04.840 as a teaser for us to come, I'm gonna lay 0:05:04.839 --> 0:05:08.719 out are just for our just to protect our ip. Grace, 0:05:09.839 --> 0:05:14.760 Grace is going to develop um. We we're just doing 0:05:14.760 --> 0:05:17.479 a hearing test, and Grace is going to develop a 0:05:17.560 --> 0:05:20.840 thing called I try to think what we should call 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:26.480 it to work. This is the working name, the gobble Tronka. 0:05:26.839 --> 0:05:29.800 I don't know, think you're stealing that from Parker? Oh no, 0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:33.400 I stole that. Inn't that either way. She's going to 0:05:33.480 --> 0:05:37.719 develop a hearing test thing where you have five six 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:40.839 people are all able to put on headphones. And then 0:05:40.960 --> 0:05:43.760 she's gonna instead of doing the normal hearing tests like 0:05:46.279 --> 0:05:49.880 she's gonna put in like affiliated, you'll hear affiliated woodpecker, 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:53.440 you'll hear a creek. You hear a bunch of peepers, 0:05:54.200 --> 0:05:58.360 you're here a green frog ripping. Okay, and then ever 0:05:58.560 --> 0:06:04.799 so faintly right, and it'll you'd be able to measure 0:06:04.839 --> 0:06:08.080 and test who's best at hearing gobbles and make it 0:06:08.080 --> 0:06:09.680 into like a game show, and make it into a 0:06:09.680 --> 0:06:14.679 game show. What do you win? That's a good question. 0:06:14.720 --> 0:06:18.039 Maybe some of those uh maybe a jar of Chester's 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:21.840 forest floor foods, pickled baby corns. There you go. Or 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:24.960 maybe maybe the winner gets to go hunting with you 0:06:25.080 --> 0:06:27.360 to help you hear the birds. Oh yeah, that'd be 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:29.839 a great way for me to find good assets. My 0:06:29.960 --> 0:06:32.520 kid was we'll move on real quick. But my kid 0:06:32.640 --> 0:06:35.800 was getting good, like he can hear gobbles like a 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:39.120 son of a bit James, Yeah him, after your book, 0:06:39.240 --> 0:06:43.000 they can all hear gobbles. He but he got drunk 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:48.040 on the um accolade, got drunk on the what am 0:06:48.040 --> 0:06:49.680 I trying to what the woman trying to say, got 0:06:49.760 --> 0:06:53.200 drunk on the praise. So now he's off in the 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:59.280 other direction of everything's a gobble because he likes to 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:01.360 be the guy that her the gobble. So now he's 0:07:01.360 --> 0:07:03.880 a little trigger happy. So in our training test, when 0:07:03.880 --> 0:07:09.840 you clearly a piliated woodpecker. There's one. There's one, right, 0:07:10.160 --> 0:07:13.280 I'm like, oh, man, now you're like like everybody else. Now. 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:17.120 So now when we're doing our auditory training for the 0:07:17.400 --> 0:07:19.440 gobbler and noise test or whatever we're gonna call it. 0:07:19.480 --> 0:07:21.280 If if he's in the room and when you press 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:23.040 the button and there wasn't really a gobbler there, you 0:07:23.080 --> 0:07:26.000 get like a shock. Oh that's a great idea, like 0:07:26.000 --> 0:07:29.120 a negative reinforcement. You put on a shock bracelet too. 0:07:30.240 --> 0:07:31.640 So if you say you heard one and you didn't 0:07:31.680 --> 0:07:34.120 really hear one, man, put that in your next kids. 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:36.240 But you could train some great kids with all this 0:07:36.320 --> 0:07:41.119 kind of equipment. Man might have a negative impact though, 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:43.880 because if you really think you shock him one, No, 0:07:44.080 --> 0:07:47.280 you shock him if you play a real one and 0:07:47.320 --> 0:07:50.120 he doesn't tag it, he gets shocked. He gets shocked 0:07:50.200 --> 0:07:52.800 for false alarms. Oh you have a great turkey owner. 0:07:52.920 --> 0:07:56.400 It sounds like dog training. Yeah, I mean. And then 0:07:56.760 --> 0:07:58.480 when he gets older, you get him some therapy and 0:07:58.480 --> 0:08:04.840 he goes about his business. And yeah, Crane not here, 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:06.559 but she has a note that we should talk about 0:08:06.560 --> 0:08:11.280 the flooding. No, she asked a question and I answered, yes, 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:15.240 it is right now. But won't be when you're listening 0:08:15.240 --> 0:08:22.200 to this flooding. M h. It's the cfs on the 0:08:22.280 --> 0:08:25.120 yellow string right now is the highest it's ever been recorded, 0:08:26.760 --> 0:08:29.840 and last year was last year was one of the 0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:33.880 lowest years on record. Yeah, it's crazy. I think last 0:08:33.960 --> 0:08:37.520 year the Upper Missouri flows was like the low. Remember 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:40.200 we were driving over it and we were looking up 0:08:40.360 --> 0:08:44.319 the flows last year because it lives like zero. The 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:47.400 fishing went from like spring run off to like no 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:51.240 water to no water and rocks not everywhere if you're 0:08:51.320 --> 0:08:54.360 if you're in Gardener, Montana right now, there's currently not 0:08:54.400 --> 0:08:57.160 a road that you can leave the town. Speaking of 0:08:57.200 --> 0:08:59.160 that might but the water started to drip like you 0:08:59.200 --> 0:09:01.960 either have to fly out of there in a helicopter 0:09:02.080 --> 0:09:06.880 or walk. You cannot drive a car toast my aunt 0:09:07.320 --> 0:09:10.839 coming down right, I think it fell. Yeah, So I'm 0:09:10.880 --> 0:09:13.800 looking at it right now on the U s GS site. 0:09:14.559 --> 0:09:20.360 UM in nine six it was the max um probably 0:09:21.400 --> 0:09:30.120 one cubic feet per second, and as of yesterday, I'm 0:09:30.160 --> 0:09:32.680 just looking at Livingston, So it was a little higher 0:09:32.760 --> 0:09:36.880 upstream at corwin Um, which doesn't really make any sense, 0:09:37.440 --> 0:09:43.360 but in Livingston right now it's um a scoche it's 0:09:43.400 --> 0:09:46.320 like right around thirty thousand cubic feet per second, and 0:09:46.400 --> 0:09:50.120 yesterday in Livingston it got up to forty cubic feet 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:54.720 per second, which is just hard for people to understand, 0:09:55.080 --> 0:09:58.360 but I can explain it. Don't understand, it's unreal. Here's 0:09:58.360 --> 0:10:01.720 what it Here's what it is. I figured this out 0:10:01.920 --> 0:10:04.080 when I was working on a book one time. Just 0:10:04.120 --> 0:10:06.880 how to express it. What is it again? Cfs? Right 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:10.280 now it's close to thirty thousand. Yesterday when it peaked 0:10:10.320 --> 0:10:14.240 it was around forty. Okay, that would be that in 0:10:14.400 --> 0:10:16.719 this amount of time between a me going this and 0:10:16.760 --> 0:10:22.720 this or this in this, thirty thousand soccer balls rolled past. 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:30.400 That is crazy, thirty thousand soccer balls in there. It's 0:10:30.440 --> 0:10:33.400 like water is obviously heavier than a soccer ball, so 0:10:33.440 --> 0:10:39.960 it'd be like a soccer ball filled with rolling path. 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:43.080 But it's down, okay, So I just keep in mind 0:10:43.120 --> 0:10:46.839 that at this point like this won't come out and 0:10:47.320 --> 0:10:50.280 this will be over. But keep that in mind when 0:10:50.360 --> 0:10:53.160 when you like, if we got our field like it, 0:10:53.200 --> 0:10:56.600 but our interest dial, right, the collective audience interest dial 0:10:56.720 --> 0:11:01.120 is just plummeting um because the flood is over. What 0:11:01.200 --> 0:11:03.880 was the highest I have a vested interest here because 0:11:03.880 --> 0:11:07.040 I'm very worried about our little property being accessible. What 0:11:07.120 --> 0:11:11.480 was the highest this year in Crested at what living 0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:17.920 in Livingston and Crests had around? Um is yesterday evening, 0:11:18.640 --> 0:11:23.400 so probably right before it started to cool off at night. Um, 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:27.040 it was the highest, and it was due to all 0:11:27.120 --> 0:11:31.360 this water on the Yellowstone is due to we had 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:35.600 a very cold spring late spring and a lot of 0:11:35.600 --> 0:11:38.600 snowpack late so it snowed a lot this spring, but 0:11:39.320 --> 0:11:42.080 raining like the Yeah. So it's like a combination of 0:11:42.080 --> 0:11:45.280 that cold spring and then all of a sudden warm 0:11:45.320 --> 0:11:48.960 weather and rain and run off from the rain and 0:11:49.080 --> 0:11:53.400 snow pack all hit at one big chibaang and it's 0:11:53.400 --> 0:11:58.160 not good for red lodge in some certain areas Yellowstone 0:11:58.200 --> 0:12:02.560 this summer we very impact acted with tourism. Um. The 0:12:02.679 --> 0:12:06.720 fishing on the yellow Stone could be really interesting because 0:12:06.800 --> 0:12:15.720 these boat ramps and an uh I always say. My 0:12:15.800 --> 0:12:18.880 father liked to say, don't curse the darkness. Light a candle. 0:12:20.440 --> 0:12:24.640 So I'm gonna point out, Um, this is my note here, 0:12:24.320 --> 0:12:27.640 and you point out yeah, on his note, did you 0:12:27.679 --> 0:12:30.880 know how Spencer likes to go rock hounding? Yeah, and 0:12:30.920 --> 0:12:32.960 how I like to find crazy bones are rolling out 0:12:33.000 --> 0:12:37.960 of the river banks. Tell you what, Sonny Boy's gonna 0:12:37.960 --> 0:12:41.880 be some new ship showing up the water drops and 0:12:42.360 --> 0:12:46.040 I'll probably find some of my stuff. I'll probably find 0:12:46.080 --> 0:12:47.800 some of my stuff from up and that I left 0:12:47.880 --> 0:12:53.360 up on my little property somewhere down river, Spencer. Here's 0:12:53.400 --> 0:12:58.120 my shovel. Yeah. And currently these reservoirs that are you know, 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:01.839 twenty plus feet right now are starting to fill up, 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:05.000 which is good. Yeah, you gotta look. And there's some 0:13:05.080 --> 0:13:09.000 positives for sure, but also some big negatives. And they 0:13:09.000 --> 0:13:11.440 had to evacuate the hospital. And let me say, yesterday 0:13:11.480 --> 0:13:14.840 like half of red Lodgers underwater. You know, it's people 0:13:14.880 --> 0:13:17.280 are getting hurt. So yeah, that I didn't really evacuated 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:20.280 the hospital. Yeah, we were getting stopped going up Trail 0:13:20.320 --> 0:13:23.000 Creek by the sheriff. Um they had it close to 0:13:23.200 --> 0:13:27.280 any non essential, like if you didn't live on Trail Creek, 0:13:27.280 --> 0:13:28.920 you couldn't go through. Started trying to just keep the 0:13:28.960 --> 0:13:32.360 traffic down in case they had to evacuate through Trail 0:13:32.400 --> 0:13:35.800 Creek because it's the only other way out if shuts down. 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:41.400 You know, yea, hopefully folks are okay, Well, I have 0:13:41.200 --> 0:13:48.880 I haven't heard of it. I haven't casual. Uh speaking 0:13:48.880 --> 0:13:52.360 of water, that was a good transition. You guys are 0:13:52.400 --> 0:13:57.520 kicking asid the Wallet tournament. Guess like genuine pro walleye anglers. 0:13:57.720 --> 0:14:01.160 How much money did you win this time? I forget 0:14:01.200 --> 0:14:03.120 what the total was this time, but we're our total 0:14:03.720 --> 0:14:07.280 up right now is a seez Louise. You don't even 0:14:07.440 --> 0:14:11.320 need to work anymore? Well, we can't. We're not. We're 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:14.520 not keeping these winnings. We're done. Yeah, but you're donating 0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:18.080 all you're winning. You guys are like legit because on 0:14:18.080 --> 0:14:22.720 the show, just to give people a little background here, uh, 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:30.560 South and Chester are aspiring amateur were aspiring amateur walleye 0:14:30.560 --> 0:14:36.520 tournament anglers fair and they decided to start out their 0:14:36.560 --> 0:14:42.680 tournament career by participating in the Montana leg of the 0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:48.280 Wallet Tour. So Montana has four summer attorneys and they 0:14:48.360 --> 0:14:52.440 roll into one mega Turney. How do you guys put that? Yeah, 0:14:52.440 --> 0:14:55.400 it's the Montana circuit. Montana has more than just four 0:14:55.440 --> 0:14:58.160 tournaments throughout the year. But there's like a four pick 0:14:58.640 --> 0:15:01.680 circuit where all Ford I think it's four tournaments or 0:15:01.760 --> 0:15:04.760 something like that, or on just Fort Peck there's the 0:15:04.800 --> 0:15:09.360 Montana circuit, which is Fresno canea Ferry, four Peck and 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:13.600 tiber Um. So you guys are enrolled in the Montana circuit, 0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:17.320 but not any particular reservoir circuit. Correct, Yeah, we're in 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:21.480 the Montana circuit. We fished, Uh it's the Crooked Creek 0:15:22.000 --> 0:15:24.280 tournament that was at Fort Peck this year because the 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:27.040 water is too low to fish out of. And on 0:15:27.160 --> 0:15:29.640 that one, well, I want, I want to get more background. 0:15:30.720 --> 0:15:33.480 I was back where you were aspiring. Yeah, they were 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:37.280 aspiring Walleye turn tournament fisherman. The problems I didn't have 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:40.800 a boat, Yep. We um, can I take some can? 0:15:40.840 --> 0:15:44.000 I can not me? But can the show take some credit? Yeah? 0:15:44.320 --> 0:15:49.520 We lobbied quite heavily that to get you guys backing 0:15:49.520 --> 0:15:53.960 in a boat, and Ilumacraft hooked us up with awesome 0:15:54.720 --> 0:16:00.800 competitor sixteen or eighteen and a half footer um with 0:16:00.920 --> 0:16:04.160 one fifty mercury on the back. So they got a 0:16:04.320 --> 0:16:10.200 sponsorship pack, they got backed backing from a Lumacraft, back 0:16:10.360 --> 0:16:16.640 from Hummingbird Mindkota, got their boat fitted out. YEP went 0:16:16.720 --> 0:16:21.800 to their first tournament at fot Pack and finished Day 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:26.000 one in eight, number eight, number eight, day one out 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:31.960 of how many boats seventy three something like that, Yeah, 0:16:32.000 --> 0:16:34.640 just a little bit over seventy and then finished the 0:16:34.680 --> 0:16:39.080 tournament overall at seventeen. You were hoping to come in. 0:16:39.680 --> 0:16:41.240 I think you were hoping. You were saying, it would 0:16:41.240 --> 0:16:43.800 be great if we could land in the top twenty. 0:16:45.320 --> 0:16:50.120 Did the second turney at Fresno finished day one at 0:16:51.480 --> 0:16:57.040 can I start with back up a little bit? And 0:16:57.520 --> 0:16:58.800 are you gonna go all the way back to when 0:16:58.800 --> 0:17:04.199 it wasn't there? No know, just when we just uh 0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:12.760 just set and eyes thinking how this tournament really? Man? Yeah, 0:17:12.800 --> 0:17:16.320 And anyways, I won't come backrupt as far as you want. 0:17:16.920 --> 0:17:21.439 So you guys are all decked out, your pet yet 0:17:21.480 --> 0:17:26.520 a little uniforms. We just have the same clothes all 0:17:26.560 --> 0:17:30.160 the time. And anyways, I like the people that work 0:17:30.160 --> 0:17:32.480 here that you could tell dress off the free table, 0:17:32.960 --> 0:17:38.920 which includes me. I mean, yeah, everybody know wears free clothes. 0:17:39.040 --> 0:17:42.920 Oh yeah, it's great. Did you guys buy those shirts? Yeah, 0:17:43.280 --> 0:17:46.240 we bought them. They're nice. The new guy at Chili, 0:17:46.400 --> 0:17:48.720 he said that hasn't been here that long, dude, like 0:17:48.800 --> 0:17:51.680 totally decked out from the free table. I love it, 0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:57.400 like full lifetimes supply t shirts. Um, so we had 0:17:57.560 --> 0:18:02.160 an amazing tournament. I'm going to start with that, and uh, 0:18:02.240 --> 0:18:05.879 we were just everything aligned. But backing up to this 0:18:05.960 --> 0:18:12.120 Fresnel tournament, looking at waits prior, as far as the 0:18:12.119 --> 0:18:14.760 the total weight of fish people are catching for this 0:18:14.800 --> 0:18:19.920 tournament was around twenty pounds, would be right up there 0:18:19.920 --> 0:18:23.919 in the top five. And that is But explain it 0:18:23.960 --> 0:18:26.280 to me, because that's like, because you're you're bound by 0:18:26.280 --> 0:18:29.160 the bag limit, right right, So every day in these 0:18:29.200 --> 0:18:33.760 tournaments you can weigh in on your way card five fish. 0:18:33.960 --> 0:18:37.320 So two anglers. This is what confused me early on 0:18:37.480 --> 0:18:41.199 that I didn't realize two anglers are only fishing for 0:18:41.280 --> 0:18:46.240 one like state limit right five fishs between SETH and I, 0:18:46.359 --> 0:18:49.280 we can only weigh in five fish. Why is it not? 0:18:50.040 --> 0:18:51.440 Why is it that? Because they don't give a shit 0:18:51.480 --> 0:18:52.960 about the bag lim It's just like it's a five 0:18:53.000 --> 0:18:55.160 fish tournament. Has nothing to do with like the legal 0:18:55.160 --> 0:18:58.439 bag limits set by the stage kind of standard for tournaments, Okay, 0:18:58.760 --> 0:19:01.119 so that they don't like if you were allowed twenty 0:19:01.119 --> 0:19:04.720 wall eyes on some lake, it'd be five for the 0:19:04.760 --> 0:19:08.920 tournament boat. And there's two days so you can at 0:19:08.920 --> 0:19:11.600 the end of those two days, there's ten fish and 0:19:11.720 --> 0:19:14.800 usually the top five in this tournament that we just 0:19:14.880 --> 0:19:18.240 got done with, we'll win it with twenty around twenty pounds. 0:19:18.720 --> 0:19:21.760 So they're submitting ten, they're they're submitting fish at a 0:19:21.800 --> 0:19:26.439 two pound average. Yep. Roughly, It's like that strikes me 0:19:26.480 --> 0:19:29.920 as not impressive. Yeah, well it's it's not a it's 0:19:29.960 --> 0:19:33.000 not a lake where there is a ton of big 0:19:33.040 --> 0:19:36.960 fi like the Fort Peck tournament. Uh. I think last well, 0:19:37.000 --> 0:19:42.880 I forge out what this year was nineties six pounds 0:19:42.920 --> 0:19:45.520 for the over What was the overall for at four Peck? 0:19:46.000 --> 0:19:50.159 Not nine six? Was it? It was a lot. I 0:19:50.160 --> 0:19:55.680 thought it was nineties pounds. Some dude came in with 0:19:55.800 --> 0:20:01.680 ten nine plus pounders. Yeah, um, I thought it was 0:20:01.760 --> 0:20:08.080 eighty pounds somewhere on the last year was nine pounds 0:20:08.080 --> 0:20:13.040 one it four at Packer. Yeah, this this year was 0:20:14.960 --> 0:20:17.439 I don't remember what this year was. I thought it 0:20:17.520 --> 0:20:21.880 was up there in the nineties too, anyhow, ter um. So, Yeah, 0:20:21.920 --> 0:20:25.400 we we were going into this tournament up at Fresno 0:20:25.520 --> 0:20:29.080 being like, if we can get double digits each day, 0:20:29.200 --> 0:20:32.560 we're gonna be real happy. But the problem with this 0:20:32.640 --> 0:20:35.920 year is the water is so low up there, they're 0:20:36.119 --> 0:20:38.640 they're still in a droughte and it's not a very 0:20:38.680 --> 0:20:41.960 big lake. So we were going up there expecting there 0:20:42.000 --> 0:20:45.000 to be over fifty boats in a small body of water, 0:20:45.320 --> 0:20:47.600 and it was gonna be bumper boats. So it was 0:20:47.640 --> 0:20:50.760 gonna be meaning there's gonna be boats close to you 0:20:50.960 --> 0:20:57.200 the whole tournament, and historically first day people catch fish. 0:20:57.840 --> 0:21:00.280 Second day of the tournament it gets a little ufer 0:21:00.359 --> 0:21:05.280 because fish are a little burnout from people practicing before 0:21:05.320 --> 0:21:07.680 the derby, and then that first tournament day they really 0:21:07.680 --> 0:21:14.040 hammer them. So wanted this year, which is at Fort Pack. 0:21:14.880 --> 0:21:21.119 I'm sitting here and I'm getting confused with seventy four pounds. Okay, 0:21:21.359 --> 0:21:25.520 so I'm talking about Fresno here. So we're going up 0:21:25.560 --> 0:21:28.879 there thinking it's gonna be bumper boats. We're thinking we 0:21:28.960 --> 0:21:31.760 got to catch just in the double digits and we're 0:21:31.760 --> 0:21:35.440 gonna be happy. We show up and we pre fish 0:21:35.560 --> 0:21:39.640 or practice for two days, and we realized that there's 0:21:39.680 --> 0:21:41.760 a lot of fish in the lake. We found some 0:21:41.880 --> 0:21:46.159 spots um. We didn't really catch any big ones, but 0:21:46.280 --> 0:21:50.760 what we did find was a unique bite, meaning we 0:21:50.880 --> 0:21:54.600 headed north farther than anybody and we were fishing in 0:21:54.640 --> 0:21:57.679 the mud, meaning you drop your leach down and it 0:21:57.800 --> 0:22:01.359 disappears after about two inches. So there's about two inches 0:22:01.400 --> 0:22:05.640 of visibility in this little spot that we found, and 0:22:06.640 --> 0:22:08.880 which is great. We were catching some fish in there 0:22:08.920 --> 0:22:11.080 and there's no one around us. And now I can 0:22:11.119 --> 0:22:14.159 hand it on many how many boats? Uh, there's fifty 0:22:14.200 --> 0:22:17.400 six boats come tournament day. Now, I'll hand it off 0:22:17.400 --> 0:22:20.520 to Seth and he can over to you Seth. Um. Yeah, 0:22:20.560 --> 0:22:25.760 So tournament day, are we draw number thirteen and they started. Um, 0:22:25.840 --> 0:22:30.400 They like randomly pick a numbers, so you get assigned 0:22:30.400 --> 0:22:36.359 a boat number, um, and it's like one through whatever. 0:22:36.359 --> 0:22:39.040 However many boats are so one through fifty six we 0:22:39.160 --> 0:22:43.280 happen to draw, and then out of those numbers, they 0:22:43.400 --> 0:22:48.440 randomly draw a number to start. So it's not a 0:22:48.480 --> 0:22:53.800 shotgun start, no, everyone, it's like a single file line start. Um. 0:22:53.880 --> 0:22:58.399 So boat number fourteen got drawn to start first, so 0:22:58.440 --> 0:23:03.159 it goes fourteen, fifteen, seventeen, you got so we got 0:23:03.600 --> 0:23:06.000 our first day. We were the last boat out. And 0:23:06.040 --> 0:23:09.800 you don't get to stay longer than uh, no, you 0:23:09.880 --> 0:23:12.000 do on this one half an hour long, half an 0:23:12.000 --> 0:23:15.080 hour longer. Yeah, half half the field checked in at 0:23:15.600 --> 0:23:17.520 four on the first day and the other half checked 0:23:17.520 --> 0:23:20.800 in at four thirty. Um, when you're waiting that line, 0:23:21.240 --> 0:23:23.160 when you're at the end of a fifty six boat 0:23:23.160 --> 0:23:25.240 line up, how long does it take for everybody to like, like, 0:23:25.600 --> 0:23:28.919 from if it's a seven am start, when are you 0:23:28.960 --> 0:23:34.400 actually throttling up? Maybe fifteen minutes? Yeah? If that okayta um. 0:23:34.520 --> 0:23:37.920 So yeah, we're last boat to go out. And we 0:23:37.920 --> 0:23:40.920 were like, well, all of it's you know, small, small lake. 0:23:41.160 --> 0:23:43.439 All of our spots that were like mid Lake in 0:23:43.520 --> 0:23:46.320 the in the clear water. We were like, there's definitely 0:23:46.320 --> 0:23:50.199 gonna be boats on them, um. And there was this 0:23:50.280 --> 0:23:54.600 sweet point right next to the boat ramp right there 0:23:54.760 --> 0:23:57.640 that was throwing the mud line when the wind would 0:23:57.640 --> 0:24:00.840 pick up. And mud lines and while life fishing are 0:24:00.920 --> 0:24:04.399 like like when you see mud um that it's like 0:24:04.440 --> 0:24:07.959 a good place to start fishing because those fish they 0:24:08.040 --> 0:24:13.000 utilize that mud line to like you know, hunting whatnot. 0:24:13.040 --> 0:24:15.720 But you obviously just see it. Yeah, you can see 0:24:15.760 --> 0:24:18.160 it with your with your you know, with your eye, 0:24:18.240 --> 0:24:21.120 you can see it in the water. And uh so 0:24:22.440 --> 0:24:26.760 everyone takes off, all the boats start heading up um 0:24:26.800 --> 0:24:28.760 like mid Lake, and we just kind of go up, 0:24:28.760 --> 0:24:31.120 loop around and go right to the boat ramp, and 0:24:31.640 --> 0:24:34.959 we were there was people there was like kids right 0:24:35.000 --> 0:24:37.080 at the boat ramp the day before, like catching nice 0:24:37.080 --> 0:24:41.520 walleye off the off the dock. Basically, yeah, so we're like, well, 0:24:41.560 --> 0:24:43.440 we're just gonna hit that since all of our spots 0:24:43.680 --> 0:24:47.160 up like further north, we're gonna be taken. Um, what's 0:24:47.200 --> 0:24:50.199 the etiquette on that with spots being taken? Like how 0:24:50.320 --> 0:24:52.120 on a tournament like that, if it's you know, it's 0:24:52.119 --> 0:24:55.080 gonna be bumper both everybody's expecting bumper boats. How close 0:24:55.160 --> 0:24:56.800 can you get in until the dude's going to give 0:24:56.840 --> 0:25:01.119 you the scarecrow? Basically casting distance? I would say, people 0:25:01.160 --> 0:25:04.800 get pretty close, but it's bad. That's good, that's that's 0:25:06.080 --> 0:25:08.000 I hadn't thought about it that way, but yeah, like that, 0:25:08.119 --> 0:25:10.600 you're you can't block someone's ability to work the water 0:25:10.640 --> 0:25:13.040 around him as how you guys go by. Yeah, And 0:25:13.240 --> 0:25:15.200 it's kind of like dependent on the lake, depending on 0:25:15.280 --> 0:25:17.120 the lake. It's kind of like ah, I would say, 0:25:17.160 --> 0:25:19.560 it's like an unspoken type role. But it's just like 0:25:20.800 --> 0:25:23.720 something like like Fresno was pretty like boats for close. 0:25:24.720 --> 0:25:26.600 Now let me ask you another ethics question. You were 0:25:26.600 --> 0:25:31.520 talking about kids fishing the dock. Um. You know you 0:25:31.520 --> 0:25:33.880 can't crowd bank fisherman, right, would you keep that in mind, 0:25:33.880 --> 0:25:37.360 even though you're in a big money tournament bank fisherman 0:25:37.440 --> 0:25:41.080 just like they're in a boat. You know it? Um? 0:25:41.119 --> 0:25:44.560 But anyway, we we UM. As soon as we passed 0:25:44.560 --> 0:25:46.760 the start boat, we loop around and just head right 0:25:46.760 --> 0:25:49.200 back to the ramp and fish that for a little bit. 0:25:49.400 --> 0:25:50.879 And there wasn't at that time of the day. The 0:25:50.920 --> 0:25:53.280 wind wasn't picked up, and there wasn't a mudline right there. 0:25:54.240 --> 0:25:59.200 We fished to check caut one fish that barely measured 0:25:59.240 --> 0:26:04.200 it was like point eight pounds. Um caught that fish? 0:26:04.440 --> 0:26:08.360 Ran do a different spot? Um, did we I think 0:26:08.359 --> 0:26:12.119 we might have caught a fish there? I remember? Anyway, 0:26:12.119 --> 0:26:14.119 it wasn't good. So finally we're like, you know what, 0:26:14.200 --> 0:26:17.760 let's just head up north to that muddy spot and 0:26:17.840 --> 0:26:20.160 try that out. We could see on side imaging there 0:26:20.200 --> 0:26:22.320 was a bunch of fish there. As soon as you 0:26:22.400 --> 0:26:24.320 dropped the megalive, there was fish all over the place. 0:26:24.400 --> 0:26:27.600 It was just yeah, you can see bait. Um. It 0:26:27.720 --> 0:26:31.080 was just tough because you had to get that leech. 0:26:31.240 --> 0:26:34.720 We're fishing, drop shot and leech and slip bobber and leech. 0:26:35.440 --> 0:26:38.240 You just had to get that bait within two inches 0:26:38.280 --> 0:26:41.440 of that walleyes face for the walleye to see the 0:26:41.760 --> 0:26:44.520 bait and eat it. Um, which was tough, and the 0:26:44.560 --> 0:26:47.240 only way you could do that basically was with using 0:26:47.560 --> 0:26:51.400 megalive or live imaging. Um, because you can when you're 0:26:51.440 --> 0:26:53.600 using live imaging, you can see the fish. You can 0:26:53.640 --> 0:26:56.879 see your bait go down to the fish. And like 0:26:56.920 --> 0:26:58.520 if I make a cast to a fish and don't 0:26:58.560 --> 0:27:01.639 see my bait go right down and like literally inches 0:27:01.680 --> 0:27:04.000 from that fish, I would reel in and cast again, 0:27:04.000 --> 0:27:05.840 because there's no point in letting it sit out there, 0:27:06.600 --> 0:27:08.280 and you're not spooking the ship out of it doing that. 0:27:08.920 --> 0:27:15.040 In that mud, they're not that spooky. So um, we 0:27:15.280 --> 0:27:17.680 decided to head up north to that muddy spot and 0:27:17.840 --> 0:27:20.879 we just start fishing. We can see fish and seth 0:27:21.080 --> 0:27:24.359 starts and I just kind of got it. Came on fire. 0:27:24.480 --> 0:27:26.879 I just got it a little dialed where like, like 0:27:26.920 --> 0:27:30.239 I just said, I would cast these fish and if 0:27:30.280 --> 0:27:32.239 I didn't see my bait land right in front of him, 0:27:32.720 --> 0:27:34.359 I would just reel and cast again. And I just 0:27:34.440 --> 0:27:37.040 kind of got this technique dialed in and yeah, I 0:27:37.080 --> 0:27:42.840 just started hammering on fish UM and we we got 0:27:42.840 --> 0:27:45.360 our five fish pretty early and then spent the rest 0:27:45.400 --> 0:27:48.920 of the day calling UM. And I want to go 0:27:49.000 --> 0:27:52.720 back to one thing with that in the mud, putting 0:27:52.760 --> 0:27:56.600 that bait two inches from the fish's face, Like it 0:27:56.640 --> 0:28:00.320 takes a tremendous amount of focus to be able to 0:28:00.400 --> 0:28:03.480 do that all day long. And one of the things 0:28:03.520 --> 0:28:07.480 that I think helped us is we got two guys 0:28:07.520 --> 0:28:10.720 in the boat making those perfect casts, and if it's 0:28:10.760 --> 0:28:13.960 not perfect, we're reeling in and we're staying on it 0:28:14.080 --> 0:28:18.280 all day, cast after cast after cast. So being able 0:28:18.320 --> 0:28:22.320 to have set doing that and myself doing that like 0:28:23.200 --> 0:28:25.040 it's hard to do. It was hard to do and 0:28:25.080 --> 0:28:28.320 stay focused. But that's one of the things that helped us. 0:28:30.280 --> 0:28:32.239 The way we're kind of doing it was like like 0:28:32.280 --> 0:28:34.760 the first day I was on the megal ive, and 0:28:34.800 --> 0:28:37.760 that that megalives mounted to a pole that's hanging over 0:28:37.800 --> 0:28:40.280 the side of our boat, and it comes up to 0:28:41.040 --> 0:28:43.880 like an arm that's at a ninety degree angle from 0:28:43.920 --> 0:28:46.920 the pole, and like wherever that arm is pointed, that's 0:28:46.960 --> 0:28:51.360 where the transducers pointing UM. So like I would it 0:28:51.480 --> 0:28:54.080 was basically like flipping docks for bass fishing, just like 0:28:54.160 --> 0:28:58.480 underhand cast um to these fish, and then Chester would 0:28:58.480 --> 0:29:01.320 like basically mimic. He would like try to land his 0:29:02.000 --> 0:29:04.160 bait right where I landed mine because he knew I 0:29:04.200 --> 0:29:07.880 was casting to like a fish right there, and we 0:29:07.920 --> 0:29:10.800 would communicate like, oh that was too far, Like if 0:29:10.800 --> 0:29:12.400 I saw the bait go over the fish, I'd be like, 0:29:12.400 --> 0:29:16.400 oh too far really and try like try it again, um, 0:29:16.440 --> 0:29:18.480 and you can't. If you too far, you can't just 0:29:18.600 --> 0:29:21.120 drag it in front of his face. You can, And 0:29:21.440 --> 0:29:23.480 we did that, but we found that you were more 0:29:23.520 --> 0:29:26.120 successful if you just immediately landed that bait right on 0:29:26.160 --> 0:29:30.600 the fish because those fish are moving a little yeah. Um. 0:29:30.680 --> 0:29:32.640 So we did that the first day. And the nice 0:29:32.680 --> 0:29:35.480 thing was there was not a single boat anywhere close 0:29:35.560 --> 0:29:38.240 to us because I think those guys, like the guys 0:29:38.280 --> 0:29:40.200 that don't have that live imaging, and they would have 0:29:40.280 --> 0:29:43.239 never been able to fish those to those fish like 0:29:43.280 --> 0:29:45.320 we were and catch them. They would have just been 0:29:45.360 --> 0:29:48.160 like kind of blind casting two areas where they knew 0:29:48.160 --> 0:29:50.320 they were fish, and you just had to get it 0:29:50.440 --> 0:29:52.840 so close to him that if you didn't have that 0:29:52.880 --> 0:29:56.240 live imaging and you couldn't really fish to him successfully. 0:29:56.240 --> 0:29:58.280 Like JT. Van's aunt puts it, you gotta put a 0:29:58.360 --> 0:30:00.480 mustache on him, you do. Yeah, I had to put 0:30:00.480 --> 0:30:04.640 a mustache on the So um we were we were 0:30:05.040 --> 0:30:07.360 at the end of day one. We went into Wayns 0:30:07.400 --> 0:30:10.280 with ten point oh six pounds in our minds and 0:30:10.320 --> 0:30:13.480 our minds were like, ship, we hit double digits. We're 0:30:13.480 --> 0:30:17.280 gonna be sitting real good for for day two. Go 0:30:17.360 --> 0:30:20.880 to Wayns, find out that we're sitting in seventeenth place, 0:30:21.480 --> 0:30:23.800 and we start seeing weights come in and it's like 0:30:24.120 --> 0:30:28.920 some fourteen pounds, sixteen pounds. One guy caught twenty pounds 0:30:29.160 --> 0:30:32.320 the first day. Yeah, so we're like ship, you know, 0:30:32.400 --> 0:30:35.560 like we have some like we gotta make up some 0:30:35.560 --> 0:30:40.200 some spots tomorrow. Um. But we're pretty excited because everyone 0:30:40.240 --> 0:30:43.400 was saying that with Fresno being so packed with boats 0:30:44.040 --> 0:30:46.800 on day one, those fish get pretty sore lipped, and 0:30:46.840 --> 0:30:49.320 there it's a tougher bite the next day, and we're 0:30:49.320 --> 0:30:52.480 thinking in our minds there wasn't a single boat around us. 0:30:52.720 --> 0:30:55.040 There was all these fish around us that never even 0:30:55.080 --> 0:30:58.000 saw a hook that day, So our fish up north 0:30:58.240 --> 0:31:01.360 weren't going to be sore lipped. Like, Day two's time 0:31:01.440 --> 0:31:04.920 for us to make up some ground and get get 0:31:04.920 --> 0:31:06.600 a little bit ahead of these guys that are gonna 0:31:06.600 --> 0:31:12.920 be fishing two more finicky fish. Um. So day two, 0:31:13.440 --> 0:31:17.680 first boat were the first boat to go out, UM 0:31:17.840 --> 0:31:20.880 seven o'clock hits. We haul ass up to our spot. Again, 0:31:21.160 --> 0:31:23.640 not a single boat there. I think throughout the day 0:31:23.640 --> 0:31:26.160 there was a couple dudes that would like troll past 0:31:26.280 --> 0:31:28.520 us with planer boards, but other than that there was 0:31:28.560 --> 0:31:30.200 no one. But you have the water was that you 0:31:30.240 --> 0:31:32.200 were fishing up there in the mud anywhere from like 0:31:32.280 --> 0:31:37.680 four to eight ft and the wind played. The wind 0:31:37.760 --> 0:31:40.520 was huge because it would pick up, the wind would 0:31:40.560 --> 0:31:42.960 pick up, the bite would pick up, the wind would 0:31:43.040 --> 0:31:46.840 lay down, the bite would lay down, so like it 0:31:46.880 --> 0:31:49.000 got pretty hot and heavy when the wind would and 0:31:49.000 --> 0:31:50.880 then like the wind would lay down. It would be 0:31:50.880 --> 0:31:53.760 like several hours where we would like maybe not catch fish. 0:31:53.880 --> 0:31:56.440 And it was also a morning bite, so we knew 0:31:56.520 --> 0:31:59.080 we had a better morning bite for bigger fish. We 0:31:59.160 --> 0:32:01.320 knew we had to show go up and take full 0:32:01.360 --> 0:32:05.520 advantage of that morning. So we show up on a 0:32:05.560 --> 0:32:12.120 second day and have our five fish limit by eight 0:32:12.120 --> 0:32:17.440 o'clock within it within an hour, and decent, decent fish too, 0:32:17.960 --> 0:32:26.800 and we just start from there. We just start catching fish. 0:32:29.640 --> 0:32:33.280 Did you talk about being catch capture release, so that 0:32:33.480 --> 0:32:38.400 this tournament is all these tournaments are catch, capture and release, 0:32:38.440 --> 0:32:41.800 which means you catch the fish you laid on a 0:32:41.840 --> 0:32:44.800 bump board, take a picture of it, and then release 0:32:44.880 --> 0:32:46.760 that fish, so you're not hauling them back for the 0:32:46.760 --> 0:32:51.200 big wigh in no ship. No. And when you turn 0:32:51.240 --> 0:32:55.480 your card in your SD card, you have to have 0:32:55.560 --> 0:32:59.000 only five fish on there, but throughout the day we 0:32:59.080 --> 0:33:02.280 might catch thirty fish. So you have to like constantly 0:33:02.440 --> 0:33:06.040 keep going through and deleting those fish, which is the 0:33:06.080 --> 0:33:09.000 most stressful thing I've ever done in my life, because 0:33:09.160 --> 0:33:12.840 if you buy, actually delete one of your big fish, 0:33:12.920 --> 0:33:14.960 you're screwed. It's like you slipped out of your hand. 0:33:15.560 --> 0:33:18.360 You've got to be making a copy or something. No, 0:33:18.560 --> 0:33:21.320 it's just snap a picture and they don't accept it 0:33:21.360 --> 0:33:24.160 like that. Do they give you the camera, No, we 0:33:24.160 --> 0:33:26.400 we it's our camera. They issue you an SD card 0:33:26.440 --> 0:33:31.479 though no r S D card too. Well they I'm 0:33:31.520 --> 0:33:34.000 assuming they've got all kinds of way to give you. 0:33:34.360 --> 0:33:36.760 They give you a bumpboard and you don't know what 0:33:36.880 --> 0:33:39.400 number you're gonna get the bump board has a number 0:33:39.400 --> 0:33:42.680 on it. Let's say it's number ten, so it's next 0:33:42.760 --> 0:33:47.640 day you might get number fifteen. Bard yea um, but yeah, 0:33:47.680 --> 0:33:51.440 we start calling. At one point I throw out a 0:33:51.440 --> 0:33:54.800 slip bob rig and the slip bob we just had 0:33:54.840 --> 0:33:57.160 to slip bobbers out there just because fish would just 0:33:57.160 --> 0:33:59.040 happen to run into them. You know. We weren't like 0:33:59.040 --> 0:34:02.640 specifically cast these slip bobbers to like certain fish. It 0:34:02.720 --> 0:34:05.160 was just like a bonus that thing, and we were 0:34:05.160 --> 0:34:07.960 catching a few fish on them. Real quick explanation of 0:34:07.960 --> 0:34:11.200 a slip bobber rig. A slip bobber rig is, so 0:34:11.760 --> 0:34:13.960 I'll start from the hook. You have a hook that 0:34:14.000 --> 0:34:16.719 goes up to a swivel right above that swivel as 0:34:16.760 --> 0:34:19.719 a weight too to drop the line down fast. And 0:34:19.719 --> 0:34:22.799 we're using bear hooks. We we found out that we're 0:34:22.880 --> 0:34:26.000 running the slip bobberie with a little light jig jake 0:34:26.040 --> 0:34:28.719 head and a in a leech. We found out that 0:34:28.760 --> 0:34:30.440 those fish would not eat it unless it was a 0:34:30.480 --> 0:34:33.920 bear hook. Um. They like when that leach free floats man, 0:34:34.440 --> 0:34:37.399 And those leeches were real lively, like look like little 0:34:37.400 --> 0:34:41.680 snakes in the water. So hook go. There's like a 0:34:42.880 --> 0:34:44.320 depends on what you want to run. I'll say a 0:34:44.360 --> 0:34:47.880 twelve inch leader up to a swivel above the swivel's weight, 0:34:48.520 --> 0:34:51.560 and then above that weight is a bomber that your 0:34:51.600 --> 0:34:54.839 line runs through, like your line runs from the top 0:34:54.880 --> 0:34:57.120 to the bottom of the bobber, and that bobber can 0:34:57.200 --> 0:35:00.800 slide on your lines. An inline bobber, Yeah, an inline 0:35:00.840 --> 0:35:04.279 bober that can slide freely on your line. Above the 0:35:04.320 --> 0:35:07.759 bomber is a little bead, and then above that is 0:35:07.760 --> 0:35:11.080 a bomber. Stop. This is not a nylon not, it's 0:35:11.080 --> 0:35:14.640 a nilon and you can just the depth of that 0:35:15.200 --> 0:35:17.839 and that that not will reel up into your reel. Yep, 0:35:18.080 --> 0:35:20.239 you can really can have a boer at twenty ft. 0:35:20.280 --> 0:35:22.080 But that means that that doesn't leave you trying to 0:35:22.160 --> 0:35:27.600 cast hanging off the endia exactly. Um, real fun way 0:35:27.640 --> 0:35:30.480 to fish. It's only found out about slip bobbers at 0:35:30.520 --> 0:35:33.600 like the ripe age of like forty one or something 0:35:33.600 --> 0:35:40.040 in boy game changer doesn't play into the fly fish 0:35:40.040 --> 0:35:45.040 and seen slip bober that sounds like a South Dakota bite. 0:35:45.160 --> 0:35:48.399 I mean that's textbook like glacial lakes four to eight 0:35:48.400 --> 0:35:51.359 foot of water, slip bober and leeches that brings back 0:35:51.400 --> 0:35:54.800 some um. But yeah, at one point in time, I 0:35:54.840 --> 0:35:58.720 throw out a slip bobber and I set that down 0:35:58.719 --> 0:36:00.319 on the on the edge of the boat, and I 0:36:00.440 --> 0:36:04.279 pick up, uh my dropshot Reagan. I'm putting a leach 0:36:04.320 --> 0:36:07.840 on it, and I start to hear the rods sliding 0:36:07.880 --> 0:36:11.680 against the gun of the boat, and I look over 0:36:11.960 --> 0:36:14.759 to see that rod just going over the boat into 0:36:14.800 --> 0:36:19.279 the water and it's gone like to the bottom fish 0:36:19.360 --> 0:36:24.239 pull it in. And you didn't have the drag set 0:36:24.320 --> 0:36:26.960 light enough that it could just pull it. No, I 0:36:26.960 --> 0:36:29.040 didn't have like this. I didn't have the bail open 0:36:29.160 --> 0:36:32.719 or anything where. It's just it's just that we're like 0:36:33.520 --> 0:36:36.239 rarely catching fish on slip bobber's, so I just like, 0:36:36.280 --> 0:36:38.440 you know, through it out there, and every once a 0:36:38.440 --> 0:36:40.360 while we look over just to make sure the bobber 0:36:40.400 --> 0:36:43.759 wasn't down or whatever. Um. So I'm like trying to 0:36:43.960 --> 0:36:45.759 like take the rod that I have in my hand 0:36:45.800 --> 0:36:48.759 and like hook it, just you know, try to doing 0:36:48.760 --> 0:36:50.520 whatever I can to like try to get this rod 0:36:50.680 --> 0:36:52.960 before it hits the bottom. And I didn't see it happened. 0:36:53.000 --> 0:36:54.800 So I'm like, what the heck is going on? I 0:36:54.800 --> 0:36:56.640 didn't see it happened. Everyone didn't see it happened. So 0:36:56.680 --> 0:36:58.479 they're like, what in the hell is this guy doing, 0:36:58.600 --> 0:37:03.960 like sticking his odd down in the water trying to Yeah, 0:37:05.719 --> 0:37:08.200 So I tell them what happened, and we're like going 0:37:08.239 --> 0:37:11.640 over the whole scenario. And I look over in that 0:37:12.480 --> 0:37:15.160 away fifteen yards away, that slip bober pops up to 0:37:15.200 --> 0:37:22.439 the surface and it's moving. So we like get get 0:37:22.520 --> 0:37:25.560 rods reeled in. It's a ship show and all of 0:37:25.600 --> 0:37:28.080 this is on camera for you guys to watch. Yeah, 0:37:28.200 --> 0:37:30.640 we gotta what do you what are you guys gonna 0:37:30.680 --> 0:37:34.680 call your Walleye show Musky and the mustache. Somebody thought, 0:37:34.840 --> 0:37:38.759 well that's good. Yeah, anyway, we can start thinking on that. 0:37:38.840 --> 0:37:42.040 We think about that. Um, we get rods reeled in, 0:37:42.080 --> 0:37:45.120 we get on the trolling motor and start hustling over 0:37:45.160 --> 0:37:47.440 to that where the bober is, and then by the 0:37:47.440 --> 0:37:50.239 time we get over there, that goes back down. So 0:37:50.320 --> 0:37:52.799 I'm like marking way points on the last on a 0:37:53.040 --> 0:37:55.640 on the humming Bird where like the last spot we 0:37:55.680 --> 0:37:57.920 saw the bober go down again and all over with 0:37:57.960 --> 0:38:01.480 my eyes just looking. Shortly after, it pops back up 0:38:01.520 --> 0:38:03.959 like another fifteen yards away, and I take the rods 0:38:03.960 --> 0:38:06.239 I of my hand. I'm like casting over, trying to 0:38:06.239 --> 0:38:09.480 like snag the line and whatnot. We're trying to get 0:38:09.520 --> 0:38:11.799 over to it. Sure enough, we get close to it, 0:38:11.800 --> 0:38:16.640 it goes back down again. Finally it pops up um 0:38:16.760 --> 0:38:20.080 and we get over to it, and Chet's able to 0:38:20.120 --> 0:38:23.480 get the bomber with the net, and I reached down 0:38:23.560 --> 0:38:25.160 grab a hold of the bobber and I could feel 0:38:25.160 --> 0:38:26.520 a fish on the end of the line, and I 0:38:26.560 --> 0:38:29.919 start hand lining in this fish and ends up being 0:38:30.520 --> 0:38:34.160 uh twenty and a half inch walleye, which is our 0:38:34.200 --> 0:38:39.359 big tournament rules by hand lining it. No, I mean 0:38:39.400 --> 0:38:42.839 we caught the fish, yeah, with the rod and reel. 0:38:45.560 --> 0:38:48.279 It just wasn't was that the biggest fish of the 0:38:48.280 --> 0:38:50.960 tournament at the at that point in time, it was 0:38:51.000 --> 0:38:54.719 our biggest fish. So Chett, that's it. We get it in. 0:38:54.960 --> 0:38:58.319 I pulled the rest of the rod up off the bottom, 0:38:58.360 --> 0:39:00.520 and he had been dragging that rod around on the bottom, 0:39:00.560 --> 0:39:02.560 so it's just like cake full of mud and stuff. 0:39:02.640 --> 0:39:05.239 Were you there when I U harpoon that hal But 0:39:05.360 --> 0:39:08.200 and it's still my harpoon booy oh yeah, never to 0:39:08.239 --> 0:39:12.479 be seen any Yeah. Um, so we get that fish 0:39:12.480 --> 0:39:14.920 and it was crazy, like the way we had cameras 0:39:14.960 --> 0:39:17.880 set up on the boat. Um, like that rod slipped 0:39:17.960 --> 0:39:23.439 right past a go pro that was rolling, so it's 0:39:23.440 --> 0:39:28.280 gonna be like the best footage. Yeah, it was crazy. Um, 0:39:28.600 --> 0:39:31.359 do you mind if I tell Yeah, so I'll tee 0:39:31.360 --> 0:39:34.960 it up just a little bit. We um that that 0:39:35.000 --> 0:39:38.040 bite slows down because of the wind dies, it gets 0:39:38.080 --> 0:39:41.960 pretty flat. Calm, I say, chat, let's run across the 0:39:42.000 --> 0:39:45.760 reservoir here and still in the mud. Let's run across 0:39:45.840 --> 0:39:47.880 where we had fished a little bit the day before 0:39:47.920 --> 0:39:50.239 and caught some fish. I was like, let's just go 0:39:50.280 --> 0:39:52.640 over there and try it, because right like at that point, 0:39:52.719 --> 0:39:55.480 we weren't catching fish where we were. So so we 0:39:55.600 --> 0:40:00.000 roll over there and this spot is a little different. 0:40:00.360 --> 0:40:03.680 There's a few more weeds, they're still bait moving around, 0:40:04.000 --> 0:40:07.239 we're still seeing fish. So it's perfect, actually more so 0:40:07.320 --> 0:40:11.200 than the day before. We start fishing, and we immediately 0:40:11.239 --> 0:40:14.880 start calling some more fish, meaning replacing smaller ones on 0:40:14.880 --> 0:40:19.040 our card with bigger ones, and we're happy. We're probably 0:40:19.080 --> 0:40:21.839 sitting a little over eleven pounds and it was our 0:40:21.880 --> 0:40:25.000 goal to just be consistent in keeping those double digits. 0:40:25.560 --> 0:40:28.560 And we knew we probably weren't gonna place top ten, 0:40:28.680 --> 0:40:33.160 but we would probably upgrade from seventeen. We're happy with 0:40:33.200 --> 0:40:36.799 how we executed it at this point, so we keep 0:40:36.840 --> 0:40:40.840 fishing and Seth, I just want to say something. Seth 0:40:41.000 --> 0:40:46.279 was on it. He was catching fish to the point 0:40:46.360 --> 0:40:49.720 where sometimes I'm like, I don't quite have it figured 0:40:49.760 --> 0:40:52.960 out like Seth does, so I'm just letting him do 0:40:53.080 --> 0:40:56.000 his thing. This is a team you know, it doesn't 0:40:56.000 --> 0:40:58.279 matter who's catching the field. You're not being like, hey, Seth, 0:40:58.360 --> 0:41:02.200 can you make me a sandwich? Right? Can you help me? 0:41:03.600 --> 0:41:06.120 This is like a very much a team effort. And 0:41:06.160 --> 0:41:09.600 it was actually really cool. Um. And I was catching fish, 0:41:09.719 --> 0:41:14.280 but he had it dialed. Um, So you know, I'm happy. 0:41:14.440 --> 0:41:19.960 I also want to contribute to like this as well. Right, Um, 0:41:20.000 --> 0:41:23.120 So we roll over there, we start calling those fish, 0:41:23.640 --> 0:41:26.239 and we had to be back by three pm. You 0:41:26.280 --> 0:41:28.640 want to stay his partner for next year too, right, 0:41:28.719 --> 0:41:31.360 because like, we have five tournaments like this in a 0:41:31.480 --> 0:41:34.840 row next year, so it's gonna be like well, and 0:41:34.840 --> 0:41:38.960 then thought about that Seth might Seth might he might 0:41:39.080 --> 0:41:41.200 become friends and find like a new partner. No. I 0:41:41.239 --> 0:41:44.319 caught some big ones on Fort Pack too. It'll be 0:41:44.320 --> 0:41:45.840 like a TV show when they replaced one of the 0:41:45.880 --> 0:41:54.560 actors in between seasons. It's like where's Chester this season? No, 0:41:54.800 --> 0:41:59.640 I mean communication is very key and like trying not 0:41:59.719 --> 0:42:03.160 to it's just like goes a long way in the boat. 0:42:03.320 --> 0:42:09.680 So anyways, Seth the two days, he's loading the basis 0:42:10.520 --> 0:42:13.400 in a baseball analogy, Seth is just loading the basis. 0:42:13.560 --> 0:42:17.359 Could give me a different kind of analogy. Uh, this 0:42:17.360 --> 0:42:19.279 this will work. That's because it's good because we got 0:42:19.280 --> 0:42:22.840 to talk about Yeah, we got par Pete. Yeah Pete. 0:42:23.239 --> 0:42:25.800 He bats in the middle of the lineup when the 0:42:26.200 --> 0:42:28.480 job the guys ahead of him at the top of 0:42:28.480 --> 0:42:30.719 the inning is just to get on the basis. So 0:42:30.760 --> 0:42:34.000 within Petche shows up, he drives them all in called 0:42:34.000 --> 0:42:38.080 bat and clean up. Seth is hitting singles. Yeah, because 0:42:38.080 --> 0:42:40.320 we got talked about baseball in a minute. So Seth 0:42:40.360 --> 0:42:43.600 loaded the bases and it was the bottom of the 0:42:43.719 --> 0:42:46.839 ninth inning. So the last inning of the game, we 0:42:46.920 --> 0:42:49.280 had to be in at three and we were happy 0:42:49.320 --> 0:42:51.759 with our weight and we said our last cast is 0:42:51.760 --> 0:42:56.080 going to be at two thirty five pm, and Seth 0:42:56.239 --> 0:43:00.239 was jokingly saying the camera, we are gonna just quick, okay, 0:43:01.040 --> 0:43:03.960 catch a bigger fish here to call out our seventeen incher. 0:43:04.520 --> 0:43:06.839 And this is at two thirty five pm, and then 0:43:06.880 --> 0:43:09.359 we're gonna head right in and race to the weigh ends. 0:43:10.160 --> 0:43:13.080 And I see a fish in the weeds on Mega Live, 0:43:14.120 --> 0:43:17.759 and I flip it out there, and not seconds after 0:43:17.800 --> 0:43:22.720 Seth said that, wham rod goes down and it happened 0:43:22.719 --> 0:43:26.840 to be the biggest fish that anyone caught out of 0:43:26.880 --> 0:43:32.879 any boat the whole tournament. And three quarter inches which 0:43:32.920 --> 0:43:38.120 is a big one, upgraded as five pounds and no ship. Yeah, 0:43:38.200 --> 0:43:40.800 put us up to like six over sixteen pounds for 0:43:40.840 --> 0:43:43.680 the day. Gave us another eight hundred and seventy five 0:43:43.760 --> 0:43:49.040 dollars towards our little fund going towards something. What did 0:43:49.040 --> 0:43:51.000 you finish do you? Because I know that goes by 0:43:51.000 --> 0:43:52.879 how you finished for the tournament, Like you finished seven 0:43:52.920 --> 0:43:55.719 for the tournament, which is fantastic, But what did you 0:43:55.760 --> 0:43:58.640 finished for the day or fifth? Fifth for the day. 0:43:58.760 --> 0:44:01.839 We ended up with sixty some pounds, And I kid 0:44:01.880 --> 0:44:05.520 you not, I was. I haven't been more excited about 0:44:05.520 --> 0:44:09.439 a fish. I was like, so, like, this is all 0:44:09.520 --> 0:44:12.640 on camera, Chris gill is filming this and he's trying 0:44:12.680 --> 0:44:15.480 to hold back his excitement behind the camera. He's his 0:44:15.560 --> 0:44:18.040 ridge pounder likes fishing. Yeah, he said it was one 0:44:18.080 --> 0:44:22.320 of the most fun things he's ever filmed. And those 0:44:22.360 --> 0:44:30.719 tournament walleyes hit different to man. They's like tournament day 0:44:30.760 --> 0:44:35.799 to day boys, you know how I like to do 0:44:35.840 --> 0:44:38.680 it on tournament days when you're just having fun, when 0:44:38.680 --> 0:44:41.000 you're just having fun fishing and catch a twenty inch 0:44:41.040 --> 0:44:43.160 while I like, that's a real nice walle I like, 0:44:43.320 --> 0:44:45.520 I love that wallet. You catch even a twenty inch 0:44:45.640 --> 0:44:48.640 when you're fishing a tournament and you are just shaking 0:44:48.640 --> 0:44:51.840 in your boots. I would I would see a fish 0:44:51.880 --> 0:44:53.960 on Megalalive and I would make a cast to it 0:44:54.000 --> 0:44:57.200 and my hand would be shaking because I was like waiting, 0:44:57.520 --> 0:45:00.759 like the anticipation. Yeah, you get exa austin from it 0:45:00.800 --> 0:45:04.160 to all day because just amped the whole time. What 0:45:04.320 --> 0:45:08.240 is a six inch wally weigh that was like six 0:45:08.560 --> 0:45:12.640 point something pounds? Um? You know the six might be 0:45:12.719 --> 0:45:16.680 closer to seven um. Time of years, A big deal 0:45:16.719 --> 0:45:21.120 on that, yeah, exactly. But they have on these bumpboards. 0:45:21.600 --> 0:45:27.440 They have a scale that is like relatively close after 0:45:27.520 --> 0:45:34.839 they spawn sot inch to fourteen inch fish is going 0:45:34.880 --> 0:45:39.360 to be around point eight pounds to a pound, right, Um, 0:45:39.520 --> 0:45:43.080 so that's how they measure these weights during these tournaments. 0:45:43.120 --> 0:45:48.759 But anyways, I was unbelievably happy. It was. It was incredible. 0:45:51.040 --> 0:45:53.880 I'm proud of you guys. Man, you guys are making everybody. 0:45:53.880 --> 0:45:55.960 You guys are making everybody proud. Yeah, you guys got 0:45:56.040 --> 0:46:00.120 seventeen right in the first tournament and now seven does 0:46:00.160 --> 0:46:03.640 everybody the competition has got to know, uh that there's 0:46:03.680 --> 0:46:06.080 an up and coming team. Yeah. People are people meaning 0:46:06.080 --> 0:46:07.920 you guys, because you guys are like newcomers and you 0:46:08.040 --> 0:46:12.000 and your filming and everything. No, everyone's great, and um, 0:46:12.080 --> 0:46:15.600 that tournament was run really smooth. Um, it is a lot. 0:46:15.760 --> 0:46:20.040 So I appreciate people letting us do this. It's a lot. 0:46:20.080 --> 0:46:22.400 I mean, we've got a chase boat, we got cameras around. 0:46:22.480 --> 0:46:26.520 Some people probably don't love it, you know, but I 0:46:26.640 --> 0:46:30.680 appreciate the Montana Walleye Circuit letting us do this because 0:46:30.719 --> 0:46:32.840 I think it's gonna be something really cool at the 0:46:32.960 --> 0:46:35.120 end of it. When we get this four part series out, 0:46:35.280 --> 0:46:38.000 I'll say this about that though, man, is if walleye 0:46:38.000 --> 0:46:41.640 fishing has ever had like a negative about it from 0:46:41.680 --> 0:46:44.760 the tournament standpoint is it's never had the cool videos 0:46:44.760 --> 0:46:48.120 and publicity that the bass side has had. And while 0:46:48.120 --> 0:46:52.200 ie guys like the old PNW series and all those that, 0:46:52.840 --> 0:46:55.960 even the and W T, it's like that's the thing 0:46:56.000 --> 0:47:00.360 they've always missed, is the actual ability to watch and outs. 0:47:00.719 --> 0:47:03.919 You know, as a walleye guy myself, I like that 0:47:04.000 --> 0:47:06.600 well going into it. One of the primary concerns these 0:47:06.640 --> 0:47:12.120 two had is it they would get caught cheating, but 0:47:12.480 --> 0:47:18.880 they've been able to keep it under wrapped in the 0:47:18.920 --> 0:47:24.200 bear right. One real quick question. How many of those 0:47:24.200 --> 0:47:27.920 fifty six boats had all the technology that you guys 0:47:27.960 --> 0:47:31.360 have in the boat? Um it's hard to say any 0:47:31.360 --> 0:47:36.959 Probably a quarter of them had it all. Maybe more, Yeah, 0:47:37.000 --> 0:47:42.920 I mean being conservative for sure, probably fifty. Um the 0:47:42.960 --> 0:47:46.319 guys that wanted had they were running live imaging and 0:47:46.360 --> 0:47:50.080 they found a cool spot that had weeds and bait 0:47:50.600 --> 0:47:52.359 and the fish were in the weeds. And did they 0:47:52.360 --> 0:47:55.799 have longer hair than you did? Stuff? No? No, Um, 0:47:56.000 --> 0:48:01.200 they did not. Uh Sean you jacked up? Yeah, Well 0:48:01.239 --> 0:48:04.000 I used to fish while I tournament. I'm talking about 0:48:04.040 --> 0:48:06.080 being jacked up for Shawn's duck report. Oh yeah, I'm 0:48:06.120 --> 0:48:11.280 pumped about that. He's jacked for both remove ahead of Shawn's. Okay, 0:48:11.440 --> 0:48:12.719 I want I want to I want to go back 0:48:12.719 --> 0:48:14.799 again and say, you guys doing a great job. Man. 0:48:15.560 --> 0:48:17.840 When you came on, Like when you came on and 0:48:17.880 --> 0:48:20.480 said you wanted to land top twenty, I didn't have 0:48:20.480 --> 0:48:23.799 a reason to think you wouldn't. But uh, I was like, oh, 0:48:23.840 --> 0:48:26.560 it seems like a reasonable thing. But um, that you're 0:48:26.600 --> 0:48:32.399 executing on it hard work. I mean like, yeah, it's 0:48:32.400 --> 0:48:35.160 just like two guys really trying to break it down 0:48:35.239 --> 0:48:39.319 and understand why why are these fish doing this? How 0:48:39.320 --> 0:48:41.279 do we catch you? And going I'll say, I'll say 0:48:41.320 --> 0:48:43.840 quickly growing into Fresno. We had never fished it before, 0:48:44.560 --> 0:48:46.200 I had never even laid eyes on it. So we 0:48:46.239 --> 0:48:49.520 had completely spent two days breaking it down, figuring it out. 0:48:49.560 --> 0:48:53.399 And yeah, trust your electronics. That's all I can say, 0:48:53.520 --> 0:48:57.879 because that's what that's what helped us. Mhm, it's great. Man, 0:48:58.239 --> 0:49:00.360 got one more to go. Can't do the four? I 0:49:00.440 --> 0:49:02.280 just point out, can't do the fourth because that's getting 0:49:02.280 --> 0:49:08.719 married and won't Uh won't not go. Spencer new Hearth 0:49:08.880 --> 0:49:10.799 was putting a bug in my ear. He's like, can 0:49:10.880 --> 0:49:14.720 mean you go out? Okay? You guys fishing? You could? 0:49:15.280 --> 0:49:17.319 I could, but I don't know if that's you want 0:49:17.320 --> 0:49:19.320 to go to his wedding. Yeah, I gotta go to 0:49:19.480 --> 0:49:22.360 the guy's wedding after putting on a performance like that 0:49:22.440 --> 0:49:28.160 at Fresno. Heck, that's luck man. I can't wait to 0:49:28.160 --> 0:49:30.120 get on that sweet boat now that all the rivers 0:49:30.160 --> 0:49:31.960 are gonna be so messy for a while, and I 0:49:32.000 --> 0:49:33.440 have to go fishing with you guys on the on 0:49:33.480 --> 0:49:36.280 the boat. I cannot wait. All you guys, Let's go fishing, 0:49:36.800 --> 0:49:39.480 all right. Sean's Dark Report? Phil, do you ever make 0:49:39.520 --> 0:49:43.440 like an intro for Sean Dark Report? Got anything else 0:49:43.480 --> 0:49:59.759 to shay? I shant Have you been dating much? I've 0:49:59.800 --> 0:50:03.799 been on the rut app. On the app he takes 0:50:03.880 --> 0:50:06.960 pto to go on dates like the high stakes dates. 0:50:08.840 --> 0:50:11.319 That was the first time I've ever taken PTO in 0:50:11.400 --> 0:50:15.200 my life for a date. I don't understand. I don't either. Please. 0:50:16.160 --> 0:50:17.960 My first date with my wife is three days long 0:50:18.960 --> 0:50:20.640 because we were living and I was living in Alaska, 0:50:20.680 --> 0:50:22.400 she was New York. We met and went to Librea 0:50:22.440 --> 0:50:25.920 tar pits. So why don't you understand that was unusual? 0:50:26.440 --> 0:50:28.320 Why do you think a fellow would have was PTO 0:50:28.600 --> 0:50:32.160 to go on a date. Why would he have to 0:50:32.200 --> 0:50:34.919 take pt Well, I mean it is personal time, right, 0:50:35.080 --> 0:50:41.680 that's a good point by definition that think it's a 0:50:41.719 --> 0:50:46.080 personal time unless But but in in your line of work, 0:50:46.120 --> 0:50:49.120 you know, the just take can you like take her 0:50:49.200 --> 0:50:52.080 duck hunting and then call it it was fishing? Well, 0:50:52.080 --> 0:50:54.319 I mean I would think maybe that he could tie 0:50:54.360 --> 0:50:56.680 that into his work here. You know, we offer unlimited 0:50:56.719 --> 0:50:59.320 PTO here. No, but that's awesome. Well it's kind of 0:50:59.360 --> 0:51:01.719 a lie because like you can go away, but then 0:51:01.760 --> 0:51:03.040 you come back, you still have a bunch of ship 0:51:03.160 --> 0:51:07.759 to do. It's not like someone else. Does it mean, Yeah, 0:51:08.360 --> 0:51:11.160 someone's on his date. I'm gonna do with the stuff 0:51:11.160 --> 0:51:12.520 he's supposed to do it, and you'll come back and 0:51:12.560 --> 0:51:14.840 be able to chill. So you just come back heling, 0:51:14.840 --> 0:51:18.680 Now it's screwed. Yeah, re entry is always hard. An 0:51:19.000 --> 0:51:22.080 there you are. But I don't want to get too deep. 0:51:22.080 --> 0:51:24.120 But I am curious, are you you're using a dating 0:51:24.120 --> 0:51:27.359 app or not using now? Not at all? Just meet 0:51:27.440 --> 0:51:32.080 him the old fashioned way wow, which I would would 0:51:32.120 --> 0:51:41.040 be a bar Instagram social garretts this is not fair. Well, 0:51:41.200 --> 0:51:44.839 just give me, okay qualities you're looking for. I'll find 0:51:44.840 --> 0:51:49.040 you a good MISSR girl. I think no, I think 0:51:49.120 --> 0:51:52.440 I'm I think I'm gonna plead the fifth on this one. 0:51:55.680 --> 0:51:58.040 This is not how I expected this to. Gon't expect 0:51:58.040 --> 0:52:02.920 this grace. You're married and got kids? How many kids? Three? 0:52:03.480 --> 0:52:06.160 I got three girls? Been married twelve years? How did 0:52:06.200 --> 0:52:08.960 you meet your husband? Blind date? It's actually a really 0:52:09.000 --> 0:52:12.080 funny story. I don't I don't know if your listenership 0:52:12.080 --> 0:52:13.400 will be interested in how I met my husband. But 0:52:13.400 --> 0:52:16.120 it was blind date and a lot of friends joke. 0:52:16.200 --> 0:52:18.560 That was an arranged marriage because our mothers set us 0:52:18.600 --> 0:52:21.719 up on a blind date. Yeah, it's pretty old school. Yeah, 0:52:21.719 --> 0:52:24.000 blind date's not something you hear about too often now. 0:52:24.040 --> 0:52:26.800 And we had both had some really bad blind dates 0:52:26.880 --> 0:52:29.560 leading up to our blind date, which you know, so 0:52:29.600 --> 0:52:32.560 we didn't have high expectations. You were blind date her. 0:52:33.320 --> 0:52:35.360 I was a blind date, and it was it's actually 0:52:35.719 --> 0:52:37.719 i'll tell you it is. I'll give you the short version. 0:52:37.840 --> 0:52:41.280 So this was while I was it was a unique 0:52:41.480 --> 0:52:44.520 chapter of my life. Um, I can't believe I'm about 0:52:44.520 --> 0:52:46.160 to say this on your podcast. But I was Miss 0:52:46.239 --> 0:52:48.640 Tennessee in the Miss American passiant and so I took 0:52:48.640 --> 0:52:51.120 a year off of graduate. You went all the way 0:52:51.160 --> 0:52:53.759 to Miss Tennessee to Miss America. If you want to 0:52:53.800 --> 0:52:56.600 take it to the highest level I went. You wouldn't 0:52:56.640 --> 0:53:01.200 competed in Miss America. I sure did. Do you want 0:53:01.200 --> 0:53:07.319 my autograph? Yeah, you're Miss America. Thing I was, What 0:53:07.360 --> 0:53:10.400 was your deal? What was your sort of like you 0:53:10.760 --> 0:53:15.040 like your specialty? I sang, which is how I met 0:53:15.040 --> 0:53:16.680 my husband. I was singing the national anthem at a 0:53:16.719 --> 0:53:21.319 Memphis Grizzlies NBA game, and our mom set us up. 0:53:21.400 --> 0:53:23.640 They had talked and they knew that I was going 0:53:23.680 --> 0:53:25.800 to be there singing, and neither one of us, obviously 0:53:25.880 --> 0:53:28.080 were dating anyone. And in Mississippi, if you're not married 0:53:28.120 --> 0:53:30.480 by the time you're like twenty five, people get concerned, 0:53:32.960 --> 0:53:38.960 especially if you're Miss Mississippi Tennessee. I was in school 0:53:38.960 --> 0:53:42.640 at Andy, So Miss Tennessee, right here in the studio. Yeah, 0:53:42.920 --> 0:53:47.440 as you live and breathe so so. So I was 0:53:47.480 --> 0:53:49.279 singing the anthem, and so I was not at all 0:53:49.320 --> 0:53:51.400 concerned about whoever this dude was I was about to 0:53:51.400 --> 0:53:53.480 sit with and watch the basketball game, and I had 0:53:53.520 --> 0:53:55.719 never sung in an arena that big before, so I 0:53:55.800 --> 0:53:58.000 had at the time, this is how long ago it was. 0:53:58.040 --> 0:54:00.839 I had my little iPod shuffle threaded underneath my dress, 0:54:00.880 --> 0:54:03.920 tucked in my tights so that at center court, when 0:54:03.920 --> 0:54:06.200 I'm surrounded all these seven foot tall basketball players and 0:54:06.200 --> 0:54:08.880 the lights go down, spotlight on me. I was terrified 0:54:08.880 --> 0:54:11.239 that I was going to accidentally change keys in the 0:54:11.280 --> 0:54:14.440 middle of this acapella song, which it sounds bad when 0:54:14.440 --> 0:54:16.480 you do that, by the way. So I was going 0:54:16.520 --> 0:54:18.759 to hear the accompaniment music in my ear that no 0:54:18.760 --> 0:54:21.360 one else could hear, but it would keep me into 0:54:21.560 --> 0:54:23.600 you see what I mean. But when I pressed that 0:54:23.640 --> 0:54:26.799 play button, it just so happens that Norah Jones is 0:54:26.920 --> 0:54:30.200 right after National Anthem on my iPod at this time, 0:54:30.880 --> 0:54:33.760 so I did not hear my accompaniment track. I heard 0:54:34.239 --> 0:54:39.000 come Away with Me, and I was like, oh, WHOA. 0:54:39.200 --> 0:54:40.640 So I jerked it out of my air and just 0:54:40.640 --> 0:54:43.000 pick a note saying it it was pre iPhone day, 0:54:43.040 --> 0:54:44.960 so there's no proof otherwise. So I will say it 0:54:45.000 --> 0:54:47.759 was the best it's ever been sung. For my story, 0:54:47.760 --> 0:54:51.520 and I'm sticking to it the same night that you 0:54:51.600 --> 0:54:54.560 met your yes, and he almost missed it. He came 0:54:54.640 --> 0:54:57.080 rushing it. He thought he knew I was singing the anthem, 0:54:57.080 --> 0:54:58.359 but he thought it was going to be as part 0:54:58.360 --> 0:55:01.600 of some big like miss and group ensemble that was 0:55:01.600 --> 0:55:03.640 then going to go work the concession stand. He really 0:55:03.640 --> 0:55:05.279 did not know that it was just going to be 0:55:05.640 --> 0:55:11.120 me singing, and so he like rushes in and he's like, damn, 0:55:11.160 --> 0:55:14.080 that's my date. And so then I finished singing, and 0:55:14.239 --> 0:55:16.200 of course I'm a little rattled from the whole like 0:55:16.280 --> 0:55:22.719 debacle that was my accompaniment track. And he but I 0:55:22.760 --> 0:55:25.520 looked down at my then BlackBerry because that's the time 0:55:25.560 --> 0:55:27.239 we were in and it's like, I'm the guy in 0:55:27.239 --> 0:55:30.600 the blue sweater and I'm going I'm in the FedEx form, 0:55:30.640 --> 0:55:31.840 Like all right, you're gonna have to give me a 0:55:31.840 --> 0:55:34.840 little bit more than that. But but anyway, we sat together, 0:55:35.360 --> 0:55:38.399 watched the game. He went he was living in Jack's, Mississippi. 0:55:38.440 --> 0:55:41.040 He had he had lived in Boston for school and 0:55:41.040 --> 0:55:43.080 then came back to Jackson. I was in Nashville. So 0:55:43.480 --> 0:55:46.759 we dated a long distance and now we're married with 0:55:46.760 --> 0:55:49.400 free kids. Was he like Mr Universe or anything like that, like, 0:55:49.480 --> 0:55:54.200 did he have anything? No, No, I mean he's a 0:55:54.239 --> 0:55:58.840 really great guy everything. I'm so sorry, honey. Um no, 0:55:59.360 --> 0:56:01.520 he sleep. He just wanted he just wont you over 0:56:01.520 --> 0:56:04.919 the good old fashion. No. He impressed me so much 0:56:04.960 --> 0:56:08.480 because he's so humble and he's really a pretty awesome 0:56:08.520 --> 0:56:10.360 person with a lot that he could brag about, and 0:56:10.400 --> 0:56:13.320 he didn't. And so we sat and had this great conversation. 0:56:13.400 --> 0:56:15.160 There was a lot that I learned about him after 0:56:15.200 --> 0:56:17.400 the fact that he didn't come right out with like 0:56:17.400 --> 0:56:21.239 trying to impress me. He was just trying to impress you. 0:56:21.480 --> 0:56:24.360 I guess held off. He held off, but then he 0:56:24.480 --> 0:56:26.399 you know what, it's funny, tied into the hole Miss 0:56:26.440 --> 0:56:29.239 American thing. So we met in November Miss America the 0:56:29.280 --> 0:56:31.480 finale there was in reality show that year, but the 0:56:31.520 --> 0:56:34.000 finale was in January, and he showed up in Las 0:56:34.120 --> 0:56:36.359 Vegas and like hung out with my family. We've been 0:56:36.360 --> 0:56:39.760 on three days at this point. That's when it was like, Okay, 0:56:39.840 --> 0:56:44.279 he's into me. I think, yeah, it's pretty cool. Is 0:56:44.920 --> 0:56:46.640 this the first time for you to have a washed 0:56:46.680 --> 0:56:55.759 up former pageant queen in your studio? Yeah, listen, there's 0:56:55.800 --> 0:56:58.040 a statute of limitations on these things. I really can't 0:56:58.120 --> 0:57:04.280 use that anymore. But yeah, that's the back story. Uh 0:57:04.760 --> 0:57:10.520 so Beck Shawn's day. That's good. So we're gonna okay, 0:57:11.360 --> 0:57:13.640 you know, you're being like a little tight lip. You're 0:57:13.640 --> 0:57:18.840 being like a tournament wallee. I mean, but it's like 0:57:18.960 --> 0:57:21.400 it's new enough that I don't want to jinx it. 0:57:21.520 --> 0:57:25.600 You know, I'm with you. That's that's probably the walleye Fisher. 0:57:27.160 --> 0:57:31.080 What I was leading towards. What I was leading towards is, um, 0:57:31.120 --> 0:57:32.840 what do you call it? When you got one guy batting, 0:57:32.880 --> 0:57:36.720 there's another guy over practicing. I was trying to get 0:57:36.760 --> 0:57:40.240 a couple more people on deck for you, right, Yeah, 0:57:40.240 --> 0:57:42.640 it didn't probably work very well though. Huh well, maybe 0:57:42.640 --> 0:57:44.200 you know, if you'd have had to play it harder 0:57:44.640 --> 0:57:49.440 school with the Duck report, Shawn dr port so um 0:57:49.440 --> 0:57:51.360 trying to remember how long ago that was that we 0:57:51.440 --> 0:57:54.120 talked about the age demographics of ducks. It was a 0:57:54.120 --> 0:57:57.640 couple of a couple of duck reports ago. But when 0:57:57.680 --> 0:58:01.200 we had talked about like how long ducks live you 0:58:01.280 --> 0:58:03.920 had said, you know, we had talked about that they 0:58:04.080 --> 0:58:07.120 you have some that get to be high twenties, you know, 0:58:07.400 --> 0:58:10.120 mallard that lives to be seven years old, blue goose 0:58:10.160 --> 0:58:13.520 that lives to be thirty years old, and you had 0:58:13.560 --> 0:58:19.720 requested an odometer. How how far they travel in their life? Well, 0:58:20.600 --> 0:58:23.960 there's so there's a few different conservation worcs all doing 0:58:24.000 --> 0:58:27.120 this now, ducks and limited delta, and then in Arkansas 0:58:27.160 --> 0:58:30.760 you have the Osbourne Lab and five Oaks Egg Research 0:58:30.840 --> 0:58:37.400 Center doing GPS trackers on ducks and man, it's crazy 0:58:37.400 --> 0:58:41.760 how good that tech has come along compared to like 0:58:41.840 --> 0:58:46.160 the radio telemetry stuff, because they know every single I 0:58:46.160 --> 0:58:48.480 mean down to the cornfield. These ducks are hanging out 0:58:48.520 --> 0:58:52.560 in all the way up and down the flyway. But anyway, 0:58:52.600 --> 0:58:54.600 so I had a guy named Ryan Askern from the 0:58:54.600 --> 0:58:59.200 Osbourne Lab give me some data points. Day've got forty 0:58:59.360 --> 0:59:03.840 five ucks with GPS trackers right now, and uh, that's 0:59:03.880 --> 0:59:08.040 that's they're glue in that in the feathers corrects on 0:59:08.080 --> 0:59:12.160 their back the backpack. Oh it is okay. Remember some 0:59:12.240 --> 0:59:14.440 Turkey guys talking about a little thing. Maybe they weren't 0:59:14.440 --> 0:59:18.680 maybe it wasn't as sophisticated, but um, they would just 0:59:18.680 --> 0:59:21.120 glue this little device up in their feathers. You wouldn't 0:59:21.120 --> 0:59:24.919 even see it no, you can see this. Yeah, yeah, 0:59:25.000 --> 0:59:27.200 you can see it. It looks like they're flying around 0:59:27.200 --> 0:59:31.640 with a backpack on. Um. So, anyway, he sent me 0:59:32.200 --> 0:59:35.360 data points for the averages of all the forty five ducks. 0:59:35.360 --> 0:59:37.640 But then he also sent me just like a random 0:59:37.760 --> 0:59:41.640 drake and Hen Mallard got it. And the drake Mallard 0:59:42.080 --> 0:59:45.440 on Avid on average flies eight point seven miles a 0:59:45.520 --> 0:59:49.360 day for a total of three thousand, one hundred and 0:59:49.480 --> 0:59:54.560 seventy two miles a year, and the hand flies eleven 0:59:54.640 --> 0:59:57.840 point six miles a day for a total of four thousand, 0:59:57.840 --> 1:00:02.640 two hundred and thirty four miles a year, which you know, 1:00:02.640 --> 1:00:05.840 it's kind of crazy when you think about that. Most 1:00:05.840 --> 1:00:08.080 of that's in the spring and fall, because they're pretty 1:00:08.080 --> 1:00:13.480 That does include migration, yep, because they're pretty idle. Because 1:00:13.560 --> 1:00:17.240 the annual average yep. Are you gonna hit us with 1:00:17.280 --> 1:00:22.000 some extraordinary days yep. So that's why Sean does such 1:00:22.000 --> 1:00:26.040 a good duck report. Um well, and I did. I 1:00:26.120 --> 1:00:28.760 did do a total of like based on the average 1:00:28.800 --> 1:00:31.880 of all their forty five ducks that they have, they 1:00:31.960 --> 1:00:34.600 fly on average of eleven point two miles a day. 1:00:36.800 --> 1:00:40.720 And if you remember, the oldest Mallard ever shot with 1:00:40.760 --> 1:00:43.160 a band on it was twenty seven or seven months. 1:00:44.160 --> 1:00:47.240 Applying the average to that duck, he would have flown 1:00:47.480 --> 1:00:50.840 a hundred and twelve thousand, seven hundred fifty miles in 1:00:50.920 --> 1:00:55.280 his life, which it's pretty good for for a duck. 1:00:56.120 --> 1:01:00.880 But okay, anyway, the and then what's really wild is 1:01:01.120 --> 1:01:04.320 the like the spring and fall migration of how far 1:01:04.440 --> 1:01:07.800 these ducks will go in one day. This spring in April, 1:01:08.000 --> 1:01:11.400 they had one mallard that flew six d forty two 1:01:11.400 --> 1:01:16.520 miles in a single day from Bismarck, North Dakota to Lloydminster, Alberta. 1:01:16.760 --> 1:01:21.000 No way in one day. How many times did he stop? 1:01:22.400 --> 1:01:27.320 See it only kicks the information back every twenty four hours, 1:01:27.960 --> 1:01:31.560 so they don't know exactly. Yeah, but you'd have to 1:01:31.560 --> 1:01:33.200 think of he's covering that distance. He couldn't have been 1:01:33.240 --> 1:01:36.600 doing wash except flying, and he's going north. I wonder 1:01:36.640 --> 1:01:39.920 if he had a tail wind. That's what's crazy too, 1:01:40.080 --> 1:01:42.640 is like you see these ducks migrate into the wind. 1:01:42.720 --> 1:01:45.160 Sometimes two snow geese will do it all the time, 1:01:45.160 --> 1:01:48.200 where they migrate into the wind, and you're like why 1:01:48.400 --> 1:01:50.560 you know, so they'll they'll like wait for a north 1:01:50.600 --> 1:01:52.480 wind and make a big push or something, or it 1:01:52.560 --> 1:01:57.680 just happens to be just kind of like I've seen 1:01:58.120 --> 1:02:00.240 the heart some of the hardest snow goose mic ration 1:02:00.320 --> 1:02:03.400 days going north into a north wind, which doesn't make sense. 1:02:03.440 --> 1:02:05.200 And then other times, you know, they have a great 1:02:05.280 --> 1:02:08.760 south wind and they're using it. But they'll migrate more 1:02:09.280 --> 1:02:12.640 based on and this is a different duct report will 1:02:12.680 --> 1:02:16.360 do sometime about how much of the migration happens based 1:02:16.360 --> 1:02:21.200 on moon and like like why you always here snowgies 1:02:21.200 --> 1:02:24.160 flying in the middle of the night yep, yep, because 1:02:24.200 --> 1:02:28.040 they're doing some work and research on like luminants too, 1:02:28.360 --> 1:02:32.400 And how much duct movement is happening based on moonlight? 1:02:33.560 --> 1:02:36.360 I think I think as much of it's based around that, 1:02:36.480 --> 1:02:39.800 even more than wind. Is like that it's warm out 1:02:39.840 --> 1:02:43.479 that you know they've got the right moon stuff like that. 1:02:44.080 --> 1:02:48.520 But that's incredible six he did one day, and that's 1:02:48.560 --> 1:02:50.840 like you know, when you're out and ducts are kind 1:02:50.840 --> 1:02:53.640 of giving you the snub, and also just some duct 1:02:53.640 --> 1:02:57.760 comes and just like boom bombs are dude, that's him, yeah, yeah, 1:02:57.800 --> 1:03:00.960 he just got done with a trap, you know, and 1:03:01.000 --> 1:03:03.520 he's like, dude, next duck, I see, I'm landing. Yeah, 1:03:03.560 --> 1:03:08.040 I'm ready for some food, some chill. But the you know, 1:03:08.120 --> 1:03:10.840 the ones that are real crazy is the snow goose migration. 1:03:11.080 --> 1:03:13.880 I mean, the duck migration is impressive, don't get me wrong, 1:03:14.160 --> 1:03:16.880 but it doesn't hold a candle to what the snow 1:03:16.920 --> 1:03:22.160 geese are doing. So there's a group called the Alberta 1:03:22.280 --> 1:03:28.000 Conservation Association doing GPS work on snow geese and they 1:03:28.040 --> 1:03:31.880 have one tracker that for whatever reason, has lasted longer 1:03:31.920 --> 1:03:34.439 than it was supposed to. Its lasted three years now, 1:03:35.200 --> 1:03:40.080 so they've been getting info on this one snow goose 1:03:40.120 --> 1:03:46.560 for three years and over from January to January. This 1:03:46.600 --> 1:03:50.840 snow goose has average twenty one five miles per day 1:03:50.880 --> 1:03:56.640 of flying, which like, okay, so it's double a Mallard's average. 1:03:56.760 --> 1:03:58.720 And it makes sense when you see how snow geese 1:03:58.720 --> 1:04:01.320 fly around and feed. They fly along ways every day 1:04:01.320 --> 1:04:05.160 to feed. But then on top of that, this snow 1:04:05.240 --> 1:04:11.520 goose flew seventy miles in twenty four hours and landed 1:04:11.840 --> 1:04:17.400 on like this little mountain creek up in the Yukon. Yeah, 1:04:18.240 --> 1:04:21.520 and so this so this goose, this exact snow goose 1:04:21.600 --> 1:04:27.000 is wintering in California. Then flying over to Boise and 1:04:27.080 --> 1:04:31.760 hanging out down in the Snake River bottoms, then flying 1:04:31.840 --> 1:04:36.640 to freeze Out Lake, Montana, then over to Edmonton, Alberta, 1:04:37.080 --> 1:04:41.200 and then ending on the north slope of Alaska. I 1:04:41.280 --> 1:04:43.760 missed my first snow goose that freeze all like really 1:04:46.400 --> 1:04:50.640 like the biggest chip shot. You could have just decoyed 1:04:50.720 --> 1:04:54.280 or passing over, you know, like eight ft over my 1:04:54.320 --> 1:04:59.880 head about a mile an hour, just too close, just whatever. 1:05:00.040 --> 1:05:03.400 I don't know. Um So, just for the sake of 1:05:03.440 --> 1:05:06.440 doing it, I applied that twenty mile a day average 1:05:06.760 --> 1:05:09.360 to the oldest blue goose ever, which you know, same 1:05:09.400 --> 1:05:12.520 thing as a snow goose, and that goose would have 1:05:12.560 --> 1:05:16.960 flown two thousand, five thirty nine miles in its life, 1:05:17.800 --> 1:05:20.840 which there's pickups dying well before that. You're not gonna 1:05:20.880 --> 1:05:24.000 get that much out of your Toyota tundra. I mean, 1:05:24.040 --> 1:05:37.880 that's impressives. Do you have have many numbers on the low end, 1:05:38.480 --> 1:05:42.920 like when they're just loafing golf course duck? No, I 1:05:43.000 --> 1:05:45.720 don't have anything like that, but I was I was 1:05:45.800 --> 1:05:48.840 thinking about that these these ducks are putting the GPS 1:05:49.000 --> 1:05:56.520 units on in Arkansas. Um you know, they those ducks 1:05:56.520 --> 1:06:00.600 in Arkansas are always kind of within easy he feeding 1:06:00.640 --> 1:06:03.880 distance of like where where they roost and where they 1:06:03.920 --> 1:06:07.000 feed is always pretty close, maybe a mile two miles 1:06:07.000 --> 1:06:11.040 at most. But then you get some of these Montana, Wyoming, 1:06:11.120 --> 1:06:14.919 Nebraska Kansas ducks that they have to fly a long 1:06:14.920 --> 1:06:17.840 way to get to a cornfield in western Nebraska. One 1:06:17.880 --> 1:06:21.360 time I followed flock ducks forty five miles to their 1:06:21.400 --> 1:06:25.200 feed and they were flying that every day, And so yeah, 1:06:25.240 --> 1:06:27.800 he's jamming ninety miles a day. I would think that 1:06:27.880 --> 1:06:31.480 this average of Arkansas ducks is actually, you know, maybe 1:06:31.520 --> 1:06:34.480 compared to some of the Central Flyway ducks and Rocky 1:06:34.480 --> 1:06:37.600 Mountain ducks maybe on the low side. Hit me again 1:06:37.640 --> 1:06:41.000 with how far that snow goose went one day, Um, 1:06:41.000 --> 1:06:44.640 eight hundred and seventy miles in one day. He's blown 1:06:44.680 --> 1:06:48.479 by whole entire states. Yeah, but you're flying north to south, 1:06:48.560 --> 1:06:53.280 you're passing states, had a bunch of them. He started in. 1:06:54.080 --> 1:06:57.360 He started in Alberta and ended like well into the 1:06:57.440 --> 1:07:02.919 yukon that day and on where he was in. It's 1:07:03.040 --> 1:07:05.320 it's really what's really cool to look at on this 1:07:05.480 --> 1:07:10.360 GPS And I'll I can post the website for this too. 1:07:10.760 --> 1:07:13.520 You can look at the GPS and see that this 1:07:13.640 --> 1:07:19.080 bird sat around Edmonton, Alberta for a solid month just 1:07:19.240 --> 1:07:22.840 feeding and getting ready to cross the forest. Because that's why, 1:07:24.040 --> 1:07:26.440 I mean, it's a there's no food for him as 1:07:26.440 --> 1:07:30.160 across the burial. You know, that's the largest This would 1:07:30.160 --> 1:07:33.400 be a good question for Spencer's trivial pursuit show. Um, 1:07:33.440 --> 1:07:36.920 the boreal forest is the largest biome on Earth. Really, 1:07:38.000 --> 1:07:40.920 it's the largest expanse of habitat type on the planet, 1:07:40.960 --> 1:07:43.840 is the boreal forest. Because like all that ship across 1:07:43.880 --> 1:07:48.320 the Yeah, like huge band across your age, a huge 1:07:48.320 --> 1:07:53.920 band across North America. That is a game poor environment, Yeah, 1:07:53.960 --> 1:07:57.040 and food poor. Why a snow goose would eat wheat 1:07:57.120 --> 1:07:59.120 for a month and a half before he flies across 1:07:59.120 --> 1:08:00.840 it in two days. That was a hell of a 1:08:00.920 --> 1:08:04.120 duck report. It's a fun one. Do Are you done? Yeah? 1:08:04.120 --> 1:08:06.919 I'm done? So I think that just just strow shan 1:08:06.960 --> 1:08:09.959 a couple of ideas. I think that about them moving 1:08:10.000 --> 1:08:12.600 at night would be very interesting. What do you guys 1:08:12.840 --> 1:08:16.519 anything grace? What is this thing you wonder most about ducks? 1:08:17.080 --> 1:08:19.439 Don't you have anything burning? I don't. I don't wonder 1:08:19.479 --> 1:08:21.519 a lot about ducks. To be quite honest, I'm I'm 1:08:21.840 --> 1:08:24.040 you know, I stay, I'm I'm an ears girl. You know, 1:08:24.160 --> 1:08:28.200 when you come back with that Turkey tester, maybe by 1:08:28.240 --> 1:08:29.880 then you'll have worked up a question for Sean, A 1:08:29.960 --> 1:08:34.519 question for Sean. Yeah, Uh, I got I got a 1:08:34.520 --> 1:08:39.120 couple of requests. Um. I think there's an emerging understanding 1:08:39.160 --> 1:08:44.240 about the role of iridescence and birds what they see 1:08:44.240 --> 1:08:50.520 when they see iridescence. Right, that could be interesting. Yep, Um, 1:08:50.560 --> 1:08:53.920 that's a good one. What else have you done, like 1:08:54.040 --> 1:08:58.600 mortality stuff? Like it's far like during the migration. I 1:08:58.640 --> 1:09:02.320 should say to narrow it down like hitting, because there 1:09:02.400 --> 1:09:05.400 is there like, uh spot on the map where it's like, 1:09:05.439 --> 1:09:08.719 holy shit, a bunch of ducks died, right triangle for dogs? 1:09:09.520 --> 1:09:13.360 That'd be interesting. How long did that that that goose 1:09:13.400 --> 1:09:15.960 live after the super long day? You know? Then? Does 1:09:16.000 --> 1:09:18.040 it just post up for a while? Is that the 1:09:18.240 --> 1:09:20.720 is that the last two raw? They do? Know? They? 1:09:20.800 --> 1:09:26.200 I mean they they do their migration real fast and 1:09:26.240 --> 1:09:28.120 they take advantage of it, and then they spend a 1:09:28.120 --> 1:09:31.479 lot of time resting and putting the fat stores back on. 1:09:31.600 --> 1:09:36.200 I gotta get another one for you too, uh, predator 1:09:36.240 --> 1:09:40.280 swamping you know what I'm talking about. There's like a 1:09:40.320 --> 1:09:47.400 reproductive strategy where a vulnerable bird or any kind of 1:09:47.439 --> 1:09:55.800 thing vulnerable species will synchronize birthing um so that rather 1:09:55.880 --> 1:09:59.080 than staggering it out where predators can just like whittle away, 1:09:59.120 --> 1:10:01.559 whittle away with a away with it away. It just 1:10:01.600 --> 1:10:06.040 all happens at once, right, and then you kind of 1:10:06.200 --> 1:10:11.280 overwhelmed the predator base. And there's examples of with with 1:10:11.439 --> 1:10:13.920 I know with snow geese the way they nest that 1:10:14.000 --> 1:10:17.040 the fox the Arctic foxes and whatnot will always whittle 1:10:17.080 --> 1:10:20.280 away at the edge, but it's just too much. Hits 1:10:20.320 --> 1:10:24.000 the ground all at once and they can't They'll never 1:10:24.040 --> 1:10:26.760 get them all. But if you'd spread that same thing 1:10:26.800 --> 1:10:30.360 out over months, right, letters will just be like keyed 1:10:30.400 --> 1:10:33.479 in on it, constantly, constantly doing it. That could be interesting. 1:10:34.920 --> 1:10:37.280 And then another thing that could be interesting is like 1:10:37.720 --> 1:10:42.280 why what factors led to the great explosion in snow 1:10:42.360 --> 1:10:48.000 geese um, Like what were the agricultural practices that change 1:10:48.160 --> 1:10:52.160 that led to the snow goose explosion and why did 1:10:52.200 --> 1:10:56.720 that become a thing of such concern to wildlife managers 1:10:56.720 --> 1:10:59.920 in the Arctic. I've actually been in touch with the 1:11:00.080 --> 1:11:05.080 guy that was waving the flag. I did. I called 1:11:05.160 --> 1:11:08.040 him for an article I wrote on the website about 1:11:08.120 --> 1:11:12.600 snow geese that, um, he was the guy waving the 1:11:12.600 --> 1:11:17.080 flag saying, hey, snow goose populations are about to explode. 1:11:17.560 --> 1:11:21.400 There's a lot of environmental differences, get ready. And he 1:11:22.360 --> 1:11:26.839 said that twenty five years before the Conservation Order actually 1:11:26.840 --> 1:11:31.160 got created. Yeah, that's a good one, talking snow Keep busy. 1:11:31.840 --> 1:11:35.400 Let's know how the dating goes. Okay, alright, Joyce seeing 1:11:35.400 --> 1:11:39.840 the national anthem? We should that. I didn't. I didn't 1:11:39.880 --> 1:11:42.519 warm up. I'm a little rusty. I'm out of practice. 1:11:42.520 --> 1:11:43.960 You want to talk about Pete really quick before we 1:11:44.000 --> 1:11:50.800 get Yeah, for Pete's sake, Pete. Okay, So our our 1:11:50.880 --> 1:11:56.360 friend Peter Alonso speaking of baseball, our friend Peter Alonzo, Um, 1:11:56.920 --> 1:12:01.880 go ahead, Chester. He he hits dingers. He's a hey, 1:12:02.160 --> 1:12:06.719 heck of a baseball polar bear. Pete plays for the Mats. Yeah, 1:12:07.560 --> 1:12:11.479 he's he's the official baseball player of this podcast. Yeah 1:12:11.520 --> 1:12:14.040 he Do you know what position he plays for the Mets? Yeah, 1:12:14.080 --> 1:12:20.559 plays first base. Nice first, I'm a loyal friend man 1:12:21.000 --> 1:12:23.720 first base. Read I'll read it when I see an 1:12:23.800 --> 1:12:26.760 article pop up about Pete. I'll read it and I'll 1:12:26.760 --> 1:12:29.000 send it to him as though he didn't know about it. 1:12:29.680 --> 1:12:33.559 My grandmother, you had a good game last night. My 1:12:33.640 --> 1:12:36.759 grandmother sends me articles cut out in the newspaper about 1:12:37.200 --> 1:12:40.000 Pete just because we did We did that. That's fun 1:12:40.000 --> 1:12:44.559 episode together. He uh, he's well known for a couple 1:12:44.560 --> 1:12:48.400 of home run derby wins. He can million bucks of pop. 1:12:49.120 --> 1:12:52.400 That guy can hit the ball when he gets it 1:12:53.080 --> 1:12:55.320 where he wants it, he hits the ball. He tells 1:12:55.320 --> 1:12:56.519 me that to be a good hitter, you have to 1:12:56.560 --> 1:12:59.120 have a high ass. And if you look at him, 1:12:59.200 --> 1:13:02.320 he has a high ass, which means a strong buttocks. 1:13:02.640 --> 1:13:05.599 His ass is positioned high on his body and it's 1:13:05.680 --> 1:13:09.360 big lot of in there. But I really like about 1:13:09.400 --> 1:13:11.759 watching him in the home room dirty I've mentioned this before, 1:13:12.040 --> 1:13:16.439 is like the zen space that you can see that 1:13:16.520 --> 1:13:20.799 he's in, just just chilling and smiling and just swinging 1:13:20.840 --> 1:13:24.280 away as calm as can be. Everybody else looks like 1:13:24.320 --> 1:13:27.760 they're just gonna smash the bat in their hands. They're 1:13:27.760 --> 1:13:30.400 holding it so tight and they've got be to sweat 1:13:30.479 --> 1:13:33.920 coming down their face and they're just and Pete's just 1:13:38.160 --> 1:13:40.920 that's a lot like, yeah, he's way off bugle and 1:13:41.000 --> 1:13:44.360 he loves the hunting fish. Maybe that has something to 1:13:44.360 --> 1:13:46.800 do with it. Maybe. Okay, so what what is? What 1:13:46.920 --> 1:13:49.519 is the Pete hasn't asked of everybody? Is it just 1:13:49.520 --> 1:13:53.240 about the All Star voting? Yes? Okay, yeah, voting is 1:13:53.280 --> 1:14:00.439 open for the All Star Game. Hey guy, what's up? 1:14:00.479 --> 1:14:02.720 Pete Alonso here? I just want to say thank you 1:14:02.800 --> 1:14:04.960 so much for all the love that you guys have 1:14:05.000 --> 1:14:07.920 been giving us, especially in the All Star voting. And 1:14:07.960 --> 1:14:09.840 as a thank you, you're truly I'm going to be 1:14:09.920 --> 1:14:14.959 giving away Jersey's helmets, hats, tickets, and some VP passes. 1:14:15.240 --> 1:14:18.679 Take a picture of your vote and time stamp that somehow. 1:14:18.840 --> 1:14:20.719 Make sure to just click the link in my bio. 1:14:20.840 --> 1:14:24.200 It'll take you right to the site. L f GM. 1:14:24.360 --> 1:14:30.640 What's the LGM mean? Phil? Uh? What? Met know what 1:14:30.720 --> 1:14:36.640 it is? Yeah? It's naughty mets are Yeah, so do 1:14:36.720 --> 1:14:40.360 that because Pete's great. Steve baby Corn coming your way? 1:14:42.280 --> 1:14:45.080 Did your baby Corn? I did? It's it's like a 1:14:45.120 --> 1:14:48.320 cousin of the pickled okra. Yeah. These come in the 1:14:49.479 --> 1:14:52.559 in the meat Eater Bloody Mary kit that meets selling 1:14:52.640 --> 1:14:55.800 on the website. Now, I didn't know I never got 1:14:56.520 --> 1:14:58.679 I never got one either. I got all the parts 1:14:58.720 --> 1:15:00.559 that has never got a package. You'll have to go 1:15:00.600 --> 1:15:04.559 to the meat eater store dot com and get away. 1:15:05.160 --> 1:15:09.320 You know what I basically now make. I make a 1:15:09.360 --> 1:15:12.840 lot of when I'm making, you know, I take like late, 1:15:12.880 --> 1:15:15.560 I've been taking a lot of n a beer and 1:15:15.720 --> 1:15:19.240 adding not only bloody Mary mix, but all the bloody 1:15:19.400 --> 1:15:22.559 but all the bloody mary fixens. I'm making a red 1:15:22.600 --> 1:15:26.720 beer with bloody mary fixens. What are your favorite fixings? Like? 1:15:27.880 --> 1:15:30.360 Just like all of pickle, asparagus, whatever. It's like a 1:15:30.360 --> 1:15:33.720 crazy gass drink. It's like beer boody Mary mix. And 1:15:33.720 --> 1:15:35.760 when you put all those all that salty stuff in there, 1:15:35.840 --> 1:15:40.240 the fizz is bye bye, It's just gone. Are you 1:15:40.280 --> 1:15:42.040 putting cheese in? You gotta have a little bit. I 1:15:42.040 --> 1:15:46.160 have been great in any cheese. There might start ready, 1:15:46.160 --> 1:15:53.080 bloody Mary. We're digging in. Now what happens? We tried 1:15:53.120 --> 1:15:55.960 to have someone explain it before. That didn't satisfy either 1:15:56.000 --> 1:15:58.320 of us. Now the stakes are high, alright, I will 1:15:58.320 --> 1:16:00.759 do a better job. Here we go a paint a picture. 1:16:01.760 --> 1:16:06.559 You're in a duck blind, okay, and someone shoots their 1:16:06.600 --> 1:16:13.479 shotguns six inches from your ear. What just happened to you? Well? 1:16:13.520 --> 1:16:18.240 A lot so gun bangs that loud? Okay, you think 1:16:18.280 --> 1:16:20.360 about if you think about um I talked about this 1:16:20.400 --> 1:16:23.880 a little bit in the generous article that Sam put 1:16:23.880 --> 1:16:26.000 out on mediator dot com here recently. I don't know 1:16:26.000 --> 1:16:30.320 if you've had a chance to peruse it. Sure, Okay, 1:16:30.360 --> 1:16:32.760 So when you when you think about decibels, you know 1:16:32.800 --> 1:16:35.200 you hear decibel, this decibel that, well you think think 1:16:35.200 --> 1:16:38.240 about it in terms of sound pressure level, and sound 1:16:38.360 --> 1:16:42.400 pressure is entering your ear at different intensities. Right, So 1:16:42.560 --> 1:16:45.680 a gun shot, like you haven't thought of that before? Well, 1:16:45.680 --> 1:16:47.920 there you go, So it really is. It is a 1:16:48.000 --> 1:16:52.439 sound pressure level. And um, so we'll we'll take it 1:16:52.560 --> 1:16:55.320 from a physiology standpoint. So the acoustic wave at a 1:16:55.400 --> 1:16:58.240 sound whatever sound pressure level, enters your ear canal, hits 1:16:58.240 --> 1:17:01.360 your ear drum, vibrates your ear drum, which then vibrates 1:17:01.400 --> 1:17:04.559 the tiniest bones of your body, the osticles, the smallest 1:17:04.600 --> 1:17:07.240 of which the stapes moves in and out of what 1:17:07.280 --> 1:17:10.680 we call the window into your cochlea, which is your 1:17:10.720 --> 1:17:14.760 hearing nerve, which is that little snail shell two and 1:17:14.760 --> 1:17:18.080 a half turn that houses your hearing nerve where there's 1:17:18.080 --> 1:17:21.880 these delicate hearing fibers. Now, I think this is pretty cool. 1:17:21.920 --> 1:17:24.160 If you were to unroll that snail shell, it's like 1:17:24.160 --> 1:17:27.360 a piano keyboard. So the little hair cells that get 1:17:27.439 --> 1:17:29.559 hit first and the hardest are coded for the highest 1:17:29.600 --> 1:17:32.120 pitches that you hear. And then as you move down 1:17:32.280 --> 1:17:34.960 towards the other end of the cocleus inside the coil, 1:17:35.120 --> 1:17:37.960 inside the coil, then you start getting down to the 1:17:37.960 --> 1:17:41.200 base tones. So it's a tone of topic organization like that. 1:17:41.680 --> 1:17:44.800 I want to ask a clarifying question about the pressure. Okay, 1:17:46.240 --> 1:17:50.880 early weird joke about Turkey Gowel's way off. That's creating 1:17:50.880 --> 1:17:55.400 a sound pressure. It's moving through the sound pressure level, 1:17:55.439 --> 1:17:58.040 moving through the atmosphere in the form of a sound wave. 1:17:58.640 --> 1:18:00.360 I guess. I guess never thought about what was sound is, 1:18:00.400 --> 1:18:02.400 whenever thought it makes told sense, whenever thought about it 1:18:02.400 --> 1:18:04.160 being that when you think about the sound waves, like 1:18:04.280 --> 1:18:08.040 when we're at the lake and you can hear conversations 1:18:08.040 --> 1:18:10.040 that are being had at a campsite across the lake 1:18:10.160 --> 1:18:12.760 because the water, there's nothing to impede the flow of 1:18:12.760 --> 1:18:15.240 those sound waves moving across the water. As opposed to 1:18:15.280 --> 1:18:17.639 if you're in the woods and you've got all these 1:18:17.640 --> 1:18:21.479 different baffles from the trees and the vegetation, that's going 1:18:21.520 --> 1:18:24.960 to interfere with how well that sound waves travels to 1:18:25.000 --> 1:18:27.759 your ear. The last morning of my turkey hunting season, 1:18:27.880 --> 1:18:30.439 I was on the edge of the lake and then 1:18:30.520 --> 1:18:34.080 about drove me nuts because they were turkey's goblin on 1:18:34.160 --> 1:18:36.719 all sides of that lake. Because the sound was traveling 1:18:36.720 --> 1:18:40.320 so well, I could not tell well and you can't 1:18:40.320 --> 1:18:44.880 tell trying to pinpoint a blue grouse on the lake. 1:18:45.000 --> 1:18:47.680 Oh yeah, yeah. We walked to the other side of 1:18:47.680 --> 1:18:51.880 the lake and he still sounded across the lake. That's right, 1:18:52.040 --> 1:18:55.599 he's back where we were well. And I'm I'm also 1:18:55.640 --> 1:18:58.120 thinking from your hearing test we took, if one year 1:18:58.160 --> 1:18:59.840 is better than the other, you're gonna have even more 1:19:00.000 --> 1:19:02.479 double pin pointing where that sounds coming from. So that 1:19:02.600 --> 1:19:04.920 was also to your disadvantage. I'm sorry, I just outed 1:19:05.000 --> 1:19:11.120 your hearing. So um, it's cool to me that the 1:19:11.320 --> 1:19:14.679 hearing nerve is coated like that for pitch because then, 1:19:15.320 --> 1:19:17.000 you know, like I've said before, we hear with our 1:19:17.000 --> 1:19:20.640 brains because it doesn't matter if if those hair fibers 1:19:21.520 --> 1:19:23.320 what has to happen is then that they have to 1:19:23.320 --> 1:19:24.840 transduce the sounds in it all the way up to 1:19:24.920 --> 1:19:28.080 your brain, where it's then processed by your auditory cortex, 1:19:28.160 --> 1:19:31.400 which is in each temporal lobe. And the auditory cortex 1:19:31.600 --> 1:19:34.960 is also organized ton of topically, so there's surface area 1:19:35.040 --> 1:19:39.240 of your brain that is dedicated to processing and interpreting 1:19:39.320 --> 1:19:42.160 all these different pitches. So for that gunshot, it's coming 1:19:42.160 --> 1:19:45.800 in hard and fast, and it's blasting those really high 1:19:45.800 --> 1:19:48.320 pitches first, and depending on how loud it is, it's 1:19:48.360 --> 1:19:51.400 it's getting the hair cells farther and farther down the cochlea. 1:19:51.640 --> 1:19:53.960 But that's why we see that high pitch hearing loss 1:19:54.000 --> 1:19:56.799 happen first as a result of noise exposure most typically 1:19:57.200 --> 1:20:02.040 and hunters will see what because that the the pressures 1:20:02.280 --> 1:20:05.160 damaging to the thing. If you picture it like almost 1:20:05.200 --> 1:20:08.160 like the little what is that right there, I'm looking turkey. 1:20:08.320 --> 1:20:09.960 If you look at the that's a very cool turkey 1:20:10.000 --> 1:20:15.120 feather photo, thank you. But as you referring to u 1:20:15.360 --> 1:20:19.280 um very detailed look at the end of turkey. It 1:20:19.280 --> 1:20:23.360 almost looks trapped. Yeah, But so you have these sillia 1:20:23.439 --> 1:20:26.360 and stereo sillia. These tiny hairs that are like this 1:20:26.880 --> 1:20:29.040 and they're waiting on a sound to hit them, so 1:20:29.080 --> 1:20:31.479 that then that activates an action potential that with the 1:20:31.520 --> 1:20:34.000 synapse that sends the sound to your brain. Well, you 1:20:34.000 --> 1:20:36.200 know what's interesting about all that, All that wiring in 1:20:36.240 --> 1:20:40.479 your brain is um and then it's like, then then 1:20:40.640 --> 1:20:43.960 that is somehow lining up with learned experience. Yeah, where 1:20:43.960 --> 1:20:47.519 you assign a right, it's doing all this and then 1:20:47.560 --> 1:20:52.799 instantly assigning memory where the minute someone talks, your brains 1:20:52.800 --> 1:20:58.800 are like, oh, they're over there, it's Bob. He's irritated. Absolutely, 1:20:59.160 --> 1:21:01.360 And so when you asked those hair sell fibers and 1:21:01.400 --> 1:21:04.200 they they kind of kill over a little bit. And 1:21:04.240 --> 1:21:06.320 so you know, sometimes you'll leave a concert your ears 1:21:06.320 --> 1:21:08.280 are ringing, or in this situation the pit blond, you 1:21:08.360 --> 1:21:10.040 might walk out, your ears might be ringing, and if 1:21:10.040 --> 1:21:12.639 you're lucky, after a few days or a few hours, 1:21:12.800 --> 1:21:15.160 those hair cells will recover and you're here come back. 1:21:15.200 --> 1:21:18.000 You'll think, oh, I'm great, I'm standing again. Yes, it's 1:21:18.000 --> 1:21:20.840 called a temporary threshold shift, and so those those hair 1:21:20.880 --> 1:21:22.800 cells will kind of stand back up again, but you've 1:21:22.840 --> 1:21:27.439 undoubtedly weakened them. But when they're bent over. What is 1:21:27.520 --> 1:21:33.880 the ringing? That's a great question. So because our brains 1:21:34.040 --> 1:21:38.639 are programmed to be looking for this this stimulation that's 1:21:38.680 --> 1:21:41.160 coming in through the auditory system. So when you have 1:21:41.200 --> 1:21:45.320 a very discreet pitch, like from a gunshot that's been damaged, 1:21:45.439 --> 1:21:49.479 even temporarily, the brain is receiving great input from the 1:21:49.520 --> 1:21:52.120 hair cell fibers right next door to the ones that 1:21:52.160 --> 1:21:54.240 have been damaged. And so it's getting all this great 1:21:54.240 --> 1:21:57.639 stimulation and it's searching for a signal that's not coming, 1:21:57.920 --> 1:22:01.160 and it manufactures this ringing. The best way I know 1:22:02.320 --> 1:22:04.880 to provide an analogy to this is like a phantom 1:22:04.960 --> 1:22:07.519 limb syndrome. Someone loses a limb and they perceive pain 1:22:07.560 --> 1:22:09.840 in a limb that's no longer there. Your your brain 1:22:09.920 --> 1:22:12.640 is searching for sensory input that's not coming. Which is 1:22:12.720 --> 1:22:16.040 why when I've written about I've got a good article 1:22:16.080 --> 1:22:18.920 on tenadus, I'm kind of proud of it. But in 1:22:19.040 --> 1:22:22.680 that article it talks about how sometimes in audiology and 1:22:22.760 --> 1:22:26.799 audiologists will work to program into whatever your level devices 1:22:26.800 --> 1:22:30.680 you're wearing, a background noise that's pitch matched in loudnessmatched 1:22:30.680 --> 1:22:33.439 to your ringing. If it's a pervasive problem, and that 1:22:33.520 --> 1:22:36.719 provides the stimulation that's missing right at that pitch tells 1:22:36.720 --> 1:22:41.639 your brain to calm down. Tenadus is a fascinating topic, 1:22:41.720 --> 1:22:48.640 and we could spend other than tenitus. Tomato tomato. Is 1:22:48.640 --> 1:22:53.439 it okay? It is okay? My doctor said, tendatives. I said, like, 1:22:53.439 --> 1:22:54.920 I thought it was tenitas. He goes, I don't know 1:22:54.960 --> 1:22:57.400 what it is the academic medical community, like if I'm 1:22:57.400 --> 1:22:59.519 at continuing at lectures that sort of thing, everybody talks 1:22:59.520 --> 1:23:02.559 about TIS. But for whatever reason, in the public realm, 1:23:03.360 --> 1:23:07.760 it's a lot, you know either way either way. But um, 1:23:08.200 --> 1:23:10.479 but anyway, you know, the limbic system is very involved 1:23:10.520 --> 1:23:14.600 in regulating ringing. If you have it pervasively, you know, 1:23:14.640 --> 1:23:18.120 you'll notice that stress, caffeine salts, lack of sleep. What's 1:23:18.160 --> 1:23:21.720 the limbic system. The limbic system is UM. You can 1:23:21.840 --> 1:23:25.040 kind of equate it to almost like a nervous system 1:23:25.120 --> 1:23:28.640 or an emotional regulating system. It's the system that, like 1:23:28.680 --> 1:23:33.040 when your cortisol levels are amped and you're really stressed, UM, 1:23:33.080 --> 1:23:37.120 there's an internal gating system that your your brain is 1:23:37.200 --> 1:23:40.960 working to try to overcome those things. And when that 1:23:41.040 --> 1:23:46.840 system is taxed because of stress because of lack of sleep, anxiety, um, 1:23:46.880 --> 1:23:49.800 too much caffeine. That's when you might notice that that 1:23:49.920 --> 1:23:54.000 ringing hits like a fever pitch. And some people are like, oh, 1:23:54.040 --> 1:23:56.440 that sounds like voodoo whatever. I don't believe in meditation, 1:23:56.479 --> 1:23:59.280 but that's why some of the psychological side of tenadis 1:23:59.320 --> 1:24:02.439 is the best man agement because once you learn that 1:24:02.920 --> 1:24:05.240 that there are these coping strategies and you kind of 1:24:05.240 --> 1:24:08.799 pay attention to stay in tune with what's happening, um 1:24:08.840 --> 1:24:10.639 with your body and kind of where you are in life. 1:24:10.640 --> 1:24:12.800 That sometimes if you are able to get a few 1:24:12.800 --> 1:24:14.680 really good night's sleep and just drink a bunch of 1:24:14.680 --> 1:24:17.479 water and maybe lay off the alcohol and caffeine, you'll 1:24:17.520 --> 1:24:21.080 get some relief in that ringing. You know what, now 1:24:21.120 --> 1:24:23.080 that I've started to struggle with it, and I haven't 1:24:23.080 --> 1:24:26.280 it hasn't been bad for months whatever reason. Um, it's 1:24:26.320 --> 1:24:30.240 self perpetuating in a way because it will get real quiet, 1:24:30.520 --> 1:24:32.320 Like it might just be you're out hunting or whatever, 1:24:32.400 --> 1:24:35.200 listening for goggles and then you're like, oh, wow, there 1:24:35.200 --> 1:24:38.080 it is because in a quiet place, and then that 1:24:38.160 --> 1:24:40.240 ship then your brains like why is it there? Why 1:24:40.280 --> 1:24:41.640 is it there? Why is it there? And then it 1:24:41.640 --> 1:24:44.360 becomes deafening and you're like, well, it wasn't deafening a 1:24:44.360 --> 1:24:46.439 minute ago. It's only deafening now because I'm so like 1:24:46.600 --> 1:24:48.479 fixated on it, and then and then I hear it 1:24:48.560 --> 1:24:51.240 for days. Yes, when you tune into it, I mean 1:24:51.360 --> 1:24:53.920 truly the focus and the attention. And so if you 1:24:53.960 --> 1:24:57.160 can like mentally get yourself into a mental space where 1:24:57.200 --> 1:25:01.000 you can distract yourself from it with either a masking 1:25:01.040 --> 1:25:03.760 noise or play some soft music in the background something 1:25:03.800 --> 1:25:06.679 to get your mind off of it, it truly does help. 1:25:06.880 --> 1:25:10.360 That's where I'm at scientifically. Where now I have, like 1:25:10.439 --> 1:25:15.480 in my little memory bank, I have places and in context, 1:25:15.520 --> 1:25:17.760 I know where I can be in and I know 1:25:17.800 --> 1:25:19.960 it won't be there. Yeah, Like you get in the 1:25:20.000 --> 1:25:22.439 car and go drive, it's not there. You think about it, 1:25:23.520 --> 1:25:25.960 noise from the road and the truck. Is it bad 1:25:26.040 --> 1:25:28.240 enough that you'll go, I'm here right now, But will 1:25:28.280 --> 1:25:31.559 you ever go take a step to make it go away? No, 1:25:31.800 --> 1:25:33.479 So it's never a bad enough You're like, I'm going 1:25:33.520 --> 1:25:37.200 to go for a drive. Can you pass the little 1:25:37.240 --> 1:25:40.120 pickled corns? There? Like I've had some people that are 1:25:40.200 --> 1:25:43.960 so debilitated by it. I mean they are they're not sleeping. 1:25:44.160 --> 1:25:47.000 I mean it's really affecting their lives. So these fancy 1:25:47.040 --> 1:25:51.080 new earpieces you got us though, Yeah, they got that 1:25:51.160 --> 1:25:55.000 little background noise, the background sounds. And that's because this 1:25:55.000 --> 1:25:58.760 particular product I've got you trying is um it may 1:25:58.840 --> 1:26:01.000 buy hearing a company, and so it's using a hearing 1:26:01.040 --> 1:26:03.000 aid chip, you know, just we connected through the hearing 1:26:03.040 --> 1:26:05.920 aid settings, not the Bluetooth settings, and so in the 1:26:05.920 --> 1:26:09.080 hearing aid world, we often use those settings to program 1:26:09.080 --> 1:26:11.479 in that background noise. So it might just help you 1:26:11.479 --> 1:26:13.439 with focus. You know, if if you don't have ringing, 1:26:13.560 --> 1:26:15.120 if you just want to go into a zin space 1:26:15.160 --> 1:26:17.120 in your office and like not only have the ear 1:26:17.160 --> 1:26:19.559 plugs in, but block out. But you know, if you 1:26:19.600 --> 1:26:21.840 have ringing in the ears, it can be a tool. 1:26:21.920 --> 1:26:24.040 That's exactly what it's there for. It's on the hearing 1:26:24.080 --> 1:26:27.439 aid chip. What does PRO mean your company? ODO is 1:26:27.479 --> 1:26:31.599 the medical prefix for ear. A nottologist is an ear doctor, 1:26:32.240 --> 1:26:35.479 and then PRO is professional protection. Yeah, I was tracking 1:26:35.479 --> 1:26:38.360 that part. Yeah, it came to me when I was 1:26:38.360 --> 1:26:40.599 sitting in church, so I decided it was divinely inspired. 1:26:41.439 --> 1:26:43.040 I get questions about it, or could that you weren't 1:26:43.040 --> 1:26:48.639 paying attention to church. Yeah, don't don't tell my pastor hey, 1:26:48.640 --> 1:26:50.920 it's gone really well, I'm here with you now, so 1:26:51.120 --> 1:26:54.200 maybe you know, maybe it was want to be maybe 1:26:54.200 --> 1:26:58.759 it was uh you went so now that we were, 1:26:58.800 --> 1:27:00.160 is there more you want to say about, like what 1:27:00.360 --> 1:27:02.280 goes on? Because that was my dyeing, that was my 1:27:02.360 --> 1:27:04.760 number one dying question. I'm satisfied with the explanation now, 1:27:04.840 --> 1:27:08.200 But what is it when you get like the wham? Yeah, 1:27:08.280 --> 1:27:11.800 but this part two, there's a part two. Then a 1:27:11.840 --> 1:27:16.320 couple days later you're like, oh, went away. Um, but 1:27:16.560 --> 1:27:18.599 eventually it kind of creep up. But eventually it kind 1:27:18.600 --> 1:27:21.320 of didn't write like you do that enough times throughout 1:27:21.360 --> 1:27:23.320 your life, or your shoot a suppressor and you're not 1:27:23.360 --> 1:27:27.160 being careful, or you're a little kid and you're burning up, 1:27:29.439 --> 1:27:31.200 or you're a little kid and your mom and dad 1:27:31.240 --> 1:27:33.120 give you those little milk cartons stow of twenty two 1:27:33.200 --> 1:27:38.439 shells and it's just like incessant all day shooting until 1:27:38.439 --> 1:27:42.320 you run out. Maybe we never wore hearing protection. It 1:27:42.439 --> 1:27:44.519 was like as unheard of as having a bike helmet. 1:27:44.560 --> 1:27:46.519 Why would you do? Yeah, but this is why I'm 1:27:46.600 --> 1:27:49.639 guilful about the future of where we're going with hearing health, 1:27:49.680 --> 1:27:51.400 because all of us sitting around this table did not 1:27:51.520 --> 1:27:54.040 grow up with hearing protection. But we're thinking about it, 1:27:54.120 --> 1:27:56.200 and we're sure as heck thinking about it for our kids. 1:27:56.400 --> 1:27:58.639 We're going to the range today. This is how trained 1:27:58.680 --> 1:28:00.519 people are when we're going to the rain change today. 1:28:00.560 --> 1:28:05.160 And then we got flooded out. Uh my kid, I 1:28:05.160 --> 1:28:06.920 was gonna bring him with. I had my older boy 1:28:06.960 --> 1:28:08.240 with me. I wasn't bring the other ones, but they 1:28:08.240 --> 1:28:12.240 were still sleeping. He um. He said, already you have 1:28:12.360 --> 1:28:15.479 my headphones. I was like, man, that's not a sentence 1:28:15.479 --> 1:28:20.400 I would ever said. Good for him. I mean truly, 1:28:21.160 --> 1:28:24.200 because noise damage is cumulative. I like to equate it 1:28:24.240 --> 1:28:26.920 to sun exposure. Like I wish I could go back 1:28:26.960 --> 1:28:28.559 to my I hate to even admit this now, but 1:28:28.640 --> 1:28:30.400 like my time I spent in the early nineties and 1:28:30.439 --> 1:28:33.519 a tanning bed, the amount of money I'm spending now 1:28:33.520 --> 1:28:35.879 to try to reverse that damage. With all the potions 1:28:35.880 --> 1:28:38.120 and lotions and facials and all that stuff. You know, 1:28:38.200 --> 1:28:41.519 you're being getting stuff cut off yourself. No, I just mean, like, 1:28:41.600 --> 1:28:44.360 you know, trying to smooth out the wrinkles and the 1:28:44.439 --> 1:28:46.479 skin clear and all that stuff because all the sun 1:28:46.560 --> 1:28:49.120 spots and sun damage from baking in the sun. But 1:28:49.200 --> 1:28:51.919 you know, at the time, I might get a little sunburned, 1:28:51.920 --> 1:28:54.040 but then it goes away and you think, oh it's fine, 1:28:54.520 --> 1:28:56.840 but it's damaging, and it's damage that might not show 1:28:56.920 --> 1:28:59.320 up until later. And you're hearing is a lot the same. 1:28:59.360 --> 1:29:02.320 You know, our our regulatory systems. You have got NIOSH 1:29:02.400 --> 1:29:03.960 and you've got OSHA on how much you want to 1:29:04.000 --> 1:29:06.680 get into that, But um NIOSH does the research, makes 1:29:06.720 --> 1:29:11.200 the recommendations, and then OSHA is what enforces the workplace guidelines. Okay, 1:29:11.400 --> 1:29:15.160 And so you know, with both of those systems there's 1:29:15.160 --> 1:29:17.400 a big problem because they're assuming that all of your 1:29:17.439 --> 1:29:19.680 noise exposure is during an eight hour work day. So 1:29:19.920 --> 1:29:22.439 they give you these doses and like time allowances for 1:29:22.479 --> 1:29:24.960 certain noise levels, but they don't take into account that 1:29:25.000 --> 1:29:27.280 you may go home and mow the grass, or go 1:29:27.360 --> 1:29:30.439 hear some live music, or just blast the radio in 1:29:30.479 --> 1:29:34.439 your car, you know, and or sleep with a sound 1:29:34.439 --> 1:29:38.040 machine on blasting like you're in like the rainforest cafe 1:29:38.160 --> 1:29:41.559 or something, you know, And so all of this enough 1:29:41.680 --> 1:29:43.920 to do something, Oh yeah, yeah, I mean sure, it 1:29:43.920 --> 1:29:45.840 depends on the lawnmower. I mean my dad was cutting 1:29:45.840 --> 1:29:48.080 grass with the big tractor, you know, and sit on 1:29:48.080 --> 1:29:51.759 the tractor idling and like nothing in your ears blower 1:29:51.800 --> 1:29:53.920 has got to be up there. Oh yeah yeah, And 1:29:53.960 --> 1:29:56.080 that's as like that. That noise is kind of like 1:29:56.120 --> 1:29:58.880 it gets to you, right, and the chainsaw gets to 1:29:58.920 --> 1:30:00.559 you well, and it'll get to you more and more 1:30:00.600 --> 1:30:03.040 as you're hearing gets worse and worse. Because an interesting, 1:30:03.120 --> 1:30:05.240 really interesting thing. One of us talked about this earlier. 1:30:05.479 --> 1:30:08.120 The more hearing loss you have, the less tolerance you 1:30:08.200 --> 1:30:10.560 have for loud sounds. So like I used to be 1:30:10.640 --> 1:30:13.160 able to stand front center at my favorite shows in Nashville, 1:30:13.200 --> 1:30:15.200 and I mean I was just enjoying it. Nothing ever 1:30:15.240 --> 1:30:18.679 sounded distorted or I didn't get that buzzy, rattily feeling. 1:30:18.880 --> 1:30:21.759 But I get that now, so I wear my little customers. 1:30:22.360 --> 1:30:24.240 That's so surprising that it makes you because you think 1:30:24.280 --> 1:30:27.320 you'd just be like zoned out. And that's why when 1:30:27.320 --> 1:30:30.200 you are ready to seek hering aids or hearing technology, 1:30:30.240 --> 1:30:32.120 I don't even want to hear calm hearing aids anymore 1:30:32.120 --> 1:30:33.880 because they've come so far with what they can do. 1:30:33.920 --> 1:30:36.840 But that's why it's really important to not just walk 1:30:36.880 --> 1:30:39.160 into like a Costco or Sam's. You need to find 1:30:39.160 --> 1:30:42.120 a qualified credential person to help you with this. Not 1:30:42.240 --> 1:30:45.040 only is in an ongoing relationship that requires some tuning 1:30:45.040 --> 1:30:46.720 and it's just not a one size fits all, but 1:30:47.040 --> 1:30:50.280 it gets really tricky because your dynamic range, your tolerable 1:30:50.439 --> 1:30:53.920 range of hearing, gets smaller and smaller, and we're trying 1:30:53.920 --> 1:30:56.120 to make things sound naturally while using a lot of 1:30:56.160 --> 1:30:59.400 compression to fit everything in that window, and that's tricky 1:30:59.560 --> 1:31:02.840 to do. We moved into a house. The first house 1:31:02.920 --> 1:31:05.639 my wife and I bought, it was like the whole 1:31:05.760 --> 1:31:12.080 ground floor was there's no walls, no divisions, like all 1:31:12.120 --> 1:31:15.680 the way open and man, my stress level with the 1:31:15.760 --> 1:31:19.160 kids echoing like you've been there trying to cook dinner 1:31:19.280 --> 1:31:21.320 and you've got some music on and they're like fighting 1:31:21.320 --> 1:31:25.000 about something or banging around, throwing balls around. Yeah, it 1:31:25.040 --> 1:31:27.680 would make me go mad, and the people around me 1:31:27.720 --> 1:31:32.520 weren't going mad, like it was like it's like a comphony, 1:31:33.160 --> 1:31:35.760 you know. Well, I feel like for me personally, I've 1:31:35.800 --> 1:31:38.840 also lost some tolerance, not not necessarily only of just 1:31:38.920 --> 1:31:41.840 really loud sounds, but of being able to focus in 1:31:41.840 --> 1:31:44.160 the midst of a lot of noisy chaos going on 1:31:44.200 --> 1:31:46.439 around me. Like I used to be able to study, 1:31:46.600 --> 1:31:49.120 you know, with friends in the apartment, music and people 1:31:49.160 --> 1:31:50.680 doing this, and I could zone in and focus. And 1:31:50.720 --> 1:31:52.600 now my ability to focus in the midst of a 1:31:52.600 --> 1:31:56.400 lot of that chaos has really decreased, which is interesting. 1:31:57.240 --> 1:32:00.160 You got some like frontal lobe executive functioned and I 1:32:00.160 --> 1:32:02.439 don't know, but is that is that necessarily related to 1:32:02.520 --> 1:32:04.360 hearing loss or is that just related to like your 1:32:04.400 --> 1:32:07.160 brain changes over time. And I think it's both. I 1:32:07.200 --> 1:32:09.599 think it's like what gives you like grumpy people, grumpy 1:32:09.640 --> 1:32:12.439 old people, grumpy old people. My dad jerks his hearing 1:32:12.439 --> 1:32:14.599 aids out. The grandkids come around. I've got three kids, 1:32:14.600 --> 1:32:16.920 My sister's got three kids. They're running around and he 1:32:17.000 --> 1:32:19.720 loves them. But oh man, I mean he jerks, says 1:32:19.760 --> 1:32:21.719 hearing aids out and puts them on the table. I'm like, dad, 1:32:21.920 --> 1:32:25.519 come on, come on. So because he feels like it's 1:32:25.600 --> 1:32:29.200 easier for him to deal without the aids because he 1:32:29.280 --> 1:32:31.559 just wants them to be quiet, and instead of asking 1:32:31.600 --> 1:32:33.719 them to be quiet, which he knows it's not gonna work. 1:32:33.880 --> 1:32:36.320 He just takes his hearing aids off or mutes them, 1:32:36.439 --> 1:32:38.640 or start streaming a ball game through them instead of 1:32:38.680 --> 1:32:52.400 listening to the children. You know, survival methan doesn't. What 1:32:52.439 --> 1:32:55.599 else you want to know explained? Like what the long 1:32:55.720 --> 1:32:57.920 term damage looks like? I mean, if all these things 1:32:57.920 --> 1:33:03.560 are physical structures, right, so you can presumably you could, uh, 1:33:03.880 --> 1:33:05.559 you could do what do you call it when someone 1:33:05.600 --> 1:33:10.880 dies apart? You're do an autopsy? Well, I don't know, 1:33:10.920 --> 1:33:12.599 I say, presumably. I don't know the answer to this. 1:33:13.520 --> 1:33:16.240 Could you do an autopsy on a on a dead 1:33:16.320 --> 1:33:20.439 person who had just was exposed like outrageous levels of 1:33:20.439 --> 1:33:23.599 loud noise and had hearing damage? Could you do an 1:33:23.600 --> 1:33:28.200 autopsy and say, like through a microscope or whatever, like, oh, 1:33:28.360 --> 1:33:34.040 this person, uh suffered damage from loud noise? Or is 1:33:34.080 --> 1:33:35.920 it that you can't because you can't see the inner 1:33:35.960 --> 1:33:39.240 workings of the brain. Well, I think there could be 1:33:39.240 --> 1:33:41.000 even a more interesting way to look at it. And 1:33:41.160 --> 1:33:43.000 that gives me a great segue. This kind of ties 1:33:43.040 --> 1:33:45.760 into how I why I started outo produ begin with. 1:33:45.840 --> 1:33:49.240 So I was working clinically and my clinical knee should 1:33:49.320 --> 1:33:51.120 kind of evolve to become an area where I was 1:33:51.120 --> 1:33:52.840 working with a lot of people who had dementia and 1:33:52.920 --> 1:33:55.240 hearing loss, and I was looking at how there was 1:33:55.280 --> 1:33:57.160 this negative synergy between the two. And there was a 1:33:57.200 --> 1:33:59.679 lot of good research coming out from John's Hopkins University 1:33:59.680 --> 1:34:02.479 of colle Rotto at the time looking at what's happening 1:34:02.520 --> 1:34:05.960 in your brain with auditory deprivation and untreated hearing lass. 1:34:06.280 --> 1:34:10.120 This we're seeing this, this negative synergy. So and I 1:34:10.160 --> 1:34:12.679 see that first. I only heard about that just recently, 1:34:13.520 --> 1:34:18.760 the link between. So I started kind of writing and 1:34:18.760 --> 1:34:21.840 putting together some articles for other audiologists, taking basically a 1:34:21.840 --> 1:34:24.400 lit review of what we know right now in research 1:34:24.400 --> 1:34:26.479 and how you can apply this to your clinical practice. 1:34:27.120 --> 1:34:30.640 And so then when our University Medical Center in Mississippi 1:34:30.720 --> 1:34:33.280 was chosen as a data collection site for this study 1:34:33.280 --> 1:34:37.000 out of Johns Hopkins looking at this topic, it was 1:34:37.160 --> 1:34:38.880 like I was the prime person to go work on 1:34:38.920 --> 1:34:41.639 this study. So did that, and so we're looking at 1:34:42.240 --> 1:34:45.200 we're this particular study was looking at whether hearing aid 1:34:45.240 --> 1:34:47.880 intervention could delay the onset or slow the rate of 1:34:47.920 --> 1:34:52.160 decline for dementia. And for example, I'll tell you like 1:34:52.320 --> 1:34:56.160 it's core, both of those things were positively positively correlated 1:34:56.200 --> 1:34:58.280 with the degree of untreated hearing laws. So with a 1:34:58.360 --> 1:35:01.920 severe untreated hearing loss, we were seeing an onset of 1:35:01.960 --> 1:35:05.240 dementia that was three point two years earlier than it 1:35:05.280 --> 1:35:08.880 would have been otherwise and five times faster right of 1:35:08.920 --> 1:35:12.160 decline then compared to the normal control. Is it like, 1:35:12.200 --> 1:35:14.439 maybe you're gonna get to this, But is it just 1:35:14.520 --> 1:35:17.960 because your brain is not like that level of activity 1:35:18.000 --> 1:35:20.560 isn't occurring in your brain. Well, there's two things to 1:35:20.760 --> 1:35:24.000 primary processes that really stuck stuck out to me. One 1:35:24.080 --> 1:35:28.240 was called cross moodal plasticity. The other was cortical resource reallocation. Well, 1:35:28.280 --> 1:35:32.040 I'll break that down quickly. So one thing is when 1:35:32.080 --> 1:35:34.640 you are struggling to hear because you're not getting that 1:35:34.680 --> 1:35:37.439 auditory signal, think about yourself like out of wedding at 1:35:37.560 --> 1:35:40.280 at sets upcoming wedding reception. So you're trying to talk 1:35:40.280 --> 1:35:42.160 to somebody, there's a band play and there's music. You 1:35:42.160 --> 1:35:45.600 are focusing in so hard to try to understand what 1:35:45.720 --> 1:35:48.519 that person is saying in the moment that there's less 1:35:48.560 --> 1:35:52.160 cognitive reserve left over to recall that information later. So 1:35:52.200 --> 1:35:54.519 you're much more likely to remember my name if I 1:35:54.920 --> 1:35:57.760 introduced to you during this quiet room podcast, and it's 1:35:57.840 --> 1:36:01.599 easy listening environment. Then you are when you are focused 1:36:01.640 --> 1:36:03.400 in and just trying to know in that moment, so 1:36:03.439 --> 1:36:07.400 there's less room for later recall of information. So that's 1:36:07.439 --> 1:36:10.080 one thing that's playing in when people are struggling to hear. 1:36:10.439 --> 1:36:13.760 They have a harder time remembering what they heard. All 1:36:13.800 --> 1:36:16.240 their energies to all their energyes is going to that. 1:36:16.560 --> 1:36:18.599 But to your point of how could we look at 1:36:18.880 --> 1:36:21.560 the physical aspect of what's happening? Um, it was the 1:36:21.600 --> 1:36:23.680 University of Colorado that started looking at this, and this 1:36:23.760 --> 1:36:28.599 was the the cross moodal plasticity thing. So we could 1:36:28.680 --> 1:36:30.720 put somebody in a functional mri I that had a 1:36:30.720 --> 1:36:33.200 bunch of hearing loss or even with mild and moderate 1:36:33.240 --> 1:36:37.519 hearing loss, play an auditory signal and then give some 1:36:37.640 --> 1:36:40.920 visual stimuli and we start to see that the areas 1:36:40.960 --> 1:36:44.280 of the brain specifically, what is the audio and what 1:36:44.360 --> 1:36:47.000 is the visual Um. I'd have to look back at 1:36:47.000 --> 1:36:48.920 the study to tell you exactly what the audio was. 1:36:48.960 --> 1:36:50.400 I don't know if they were playing like their favorite 1:36:50.479 --> 1:36:52.519 music or if they were playing clicks and beeps, but 1:36:53.360 --> 1:36:57.040 individual will be not You're not like watching a movie, 1:36:57.040 --> 1:36:59.599 you're just seeing something, You're just seeing something like images 1:36:59.640 --> 1:37:03.040 of something. But the but the moral is we're starting 1:37:03.080 --> 1:37:05.000 to see where that if if the area of the 1:37:05.040 --> 1:37:07.400 brain it's coded to process sound is not being used 1:37:07.439 --> 1:37:10.120 to process sound, it's going to get recruited by other 1:37:10.160 --> 1:37:13.280 sensory systems to process that input. So we would start 1:37:13.360 --> 1:37:15.840 to see your auditory cortex light up in response to 1:37:15.840 --> 1:37:19.439 a visual stimulus. Think about how, um, you know, people 1:37:19.720 --> 1:37:22.559 who have lost their vision have a higher alertness for 1:37:22.560 --> 1:37:25.200 their hearing, or people who are deaf might have a 1:37:25.520 --> 1:37:28.160 higher visual acuity, or you think about the ability to 1:37:28.200 --> 1:37:31.160 read brail, you know, And it's because the brain is 1:37:31.200 --> 1:37:34.800 able to devote more surface area to those processes because 1:37:34.800 --> 1:37:36.519 it's not being used for what it was intended, so 1:37:36.560 --> 1:37:40.680 that the neural connections start to reorganize. And so we 1:37:40.720 --> 1:37:42.680 could look at that and say, Okay, how much has 1:37:42.720 --> 1:37:46.800 your brain reorganized because of the sensory deprivation and so 1:37:47.720 --> 1:37:49.760 anyway I could go on for it, but hit me 1:37:49.800 --> 1:37:52.920 with why that might lead to why the hearing loss 1:37:53.040 --> 1:37:58.040 could like you explained it with the term that like 1:37:58.200 --> 1:38:02.000 you're working hard to hear everything you're not processing, But 1:38:02.080 --> 1:38:03.840 what is the what is the other one. What is 1:38:03.920 --> 1:38:06.559 how does that relate to hear? That reorganization relate to 1:38:06.560 --> 1:38:08.840 hear you like you're robbed, Like parts of your brain 1:38:08.880 --> 1:38:11.120 are robbing from other parts. Parts your brain are robbing 1:38:11.120 --> 1:38:13.080 from other parts. And that's part of what they're still 1:38:13.080 --> 1:38:15.760 trying to distinguish is exactly how those changes in their 1:38:15.760 --> 1:38:19.439 old processes are relating to that breakdown long term, like 1:38:19.560 --> 1:38:23.640 something that you need might be like neglected or reallocated 1:38:23.720 --> 1:38:27.040 or that's right, that's right, and so um, those are 1:38:27.040 --> 1:38:28.640 just two of the of the main points that I 1:38:28.680 --> 1:38:31.320 find really cool about how your brain is responding to 1:38:31.360 --> 1:38:33.800 that lack of input. And then that's why when if 1:38:33.800 --> 1:38:36.120 you have a really a big hearing loss and you 1:38:36.160 --> 1:38:39.519 put on these amplified earplugs or hearing it's for the 1:38:39.520 --> 1:38:42.479 first time, it all just might sound like noise, and 1:38:42.520 --> 1:38:44.799 you have to give your brain time almost like physical 1:38:44.840 --> 1:38:48.840 therapy for your brain. It's like auditory training. Um, just 1:38:48.880 --> 1:38:50.519 like learning to blow a duckt collum. You gotta you 1:38:50.600 --> 1:38:54.160 gotta give your brain time to readjust so that things 1:38:54.160 --> 1:38:59.080 can start to sound normal again. Uh. I'm gonna tell 1:38:59.080 --> 1:39:03.160 how we met, please do okay? So the reason Grace 1:39:03.240 --> 1:39:05.800 is sitting here is because I don't know who arranged this, 1:39:06.600 --> 1:39:08.679 I'll tell you. You came in to do a company 1:39:08.720 --> 1:39:11.400 wide You came in to do a company wide fitting. Yeah, 1:39:11.920 --> 1:39:13.720 and I was like someone I don't know who told 1:39:13.760 --> 1:39:15.040 me someone like, hey, if you want to get some 1:39:15.479 --> 1:39:21.880 uh custom your plugs, go to the downstairs at like 1:39:21.920 --> 1:39:25.479 noon or whatever. It sounds interesting. So I went down 1:39:25.640 --> 1:39:27.400 and you and I got to shooting the ship about 1:39:27.439 --> 1:39:29.840 hearing protection. And then like two hours later, you want 1:39:29.840 --> 1:39:31.200 to come on the Five Games said you should come 1:39:31.200 --> 1:39:33.280 on the podcast and tell everybody about what happens when 1:39:33.280 --> 1:39:36.120 this happens. So back to how we met. We met 1:39:36.200 --> 1:39:37.559 like how did it come to me that you came 1:39:37.600 --> 1:39:39.960 to do like for like, who invited you to come 1:39:40.000 --> 1:39:43.799 do that? This business has been so relational driven for me. Um, 1:39:43.840 --> 1:39:47.760 So because of all this research I was looking at, 1:39:47.800 --> 1:39:50.200 I wanted my own family to have good hearing protection. 1:39:50.240 --> 1:39:53.640 So I started going to people's houses after Yeah, Well, 1:39:53.680 --> 1:39:55.599 I was like, I want my own dad to be 1:39:55.640 --> 1:39:57.960 wearing good hearing protection, but he would not come into 1:39:57.960 --> 1:39:59.479 the medical clinic to do it. So I said, well, 1:39:59.479 --> 1:40:01.639 I'll just go to you. And then words started spreading, 1:40:01.720 --> 1:40:03.960 and then This was never part of the business plan. 1:40:04.040 --> 1:40:06.880 I never set out to create this national network of 1:40:06.920 --> 1:40:09.960 audiologist and be on this crusade for hearing protection. But 1:40:10.040 --> 1:40:12.920 it's organically gotten to that point and it is. It 1:40:13.000 --> 1:40:17.840 has been wild and amazing to just be in this journey. 1:40:17.880 --> 1:40:21.679 But I'm we met through chef Sean Paul, your guy 1:40:21.720 --> 1:40:25.240 that does Duck Camp Dinners the show. It's a great show, um. 1:40:25.280 --> 1:40:28.240 And I was introduced to him through this guy, Josh Raggio, 1:40:28.320 --> 1:40:30.439 who lives down in my neck of the woods. Raggio 1:40:30.520 --> 1:40:33.719 Custom Calls is his like duck call, Like these coutour 1:40:33.880 --> 1:40:36.559 duck calls, they're like art, They're amazing. That's first time 1:40:36.600 --> 1:40:38.920 anyone's ever used that word on this podcast. I've never 1:40:38.960 --> 1:40:42.800 even heard that word. Which it's like you'd be like, 1:40:43.000 --> 1:40:47.080 um uh, what will be a co tour brand? I 1:40:47.120 --> 1:40:54.599 don't know, like a like a high end designer, beautiful boogie, 1:40:54.640 --> 1:40:59.559 one of a kindre made for you custom could Um, 1:41:00.920 --> 1:41:02.559 I don't know. I think like in my mind, I 1:41:02.560 --> 1:41:06.200 feel it would be applied to like handbags, right, like 1:41:06.520 --> 1:41:10.200 very expensive hand isn't the handbag? And there's Juicy co Tour, right, 1:41:10.240 --> 1:41:18.880 there's Juicy Coe Tour which is like, oh you t 1:41:19.360 --> 1:41:23.559 you are? Yeah, what is juicy co tour being not 1:41:23.720 --> 1:41:28.320 co tour? Right? That's being juicy trashy. You said it, 1:41:28.400 --> 1:41:31.560 not me. What's funny about you making the comparison to 1:41:31.680 --> 1:41:34.639 handbags is her and I were talking about Raggio custom 1:41:34.680 --> 1:41:38.759 calls earlier and I said they are like handbags for dudes. 1:41:38.960 --> 1:41:42.439 He did say that, He did say that. But but 1:41:42.560 --> 1:41:45.320 so I met Raggio at a Duck's Unlimited banquet back 1:41:45.360 --> 1:41:47.120 when I was first getting started, and I'm like, hey, 1:41:47.160 --> 1:41:48.560 I'll just throw up a table and go talk to 1:41:48.600 --> 1:41:51.559 people about hearing protection at this du banquet. Oh no, no, backup, 1:41:51.560 --> 1:41:54.760 because is this still how we met? Yeah? Okay, so 1:41:54.760 --> 1:41:57.000 so that's how you got tied into the call? Yeah, 1:41:58.760 --> 1:42:00.400 the flow, You're laid out the flow. I'm at the 1:42:00.479 --> 1:42:02.559 Duck call guy at the d U banquet and how 1:42:02.600 --> 1:42:04.719 do you want the du banquet? Because I had started 1:42:04.720 --> 1:42:06.880 this little ODO pro business and people were interested, and 1:42:06.920 --> 1:42:08.200 I was like, well, I'll just go set up a 1:42:08.560 --> 1:42:10.320 little table and talk to people that come to the 1:42:10.400 --> 1:42:13.120 Ducks and Limited banquet and did you bring your little 1:42:13.120 --> 1:42:15.439 squirt gun and everything? For doing them? Absolutely? And I 1:42:15.439 --> 1:42:16.919 did it right there in the middle of the banquet, 1:42:17.160 --> 1:42:21.200 and so does. She takes a cock gun sticks that 1:42:21.280 --> 1:42:25.880 thing where it has no business going. It's like on 1:42:25.920 --> 1:42:28.160 my Instagram, I'm gonna put a picture up where someone 1:42:28.200 --> 1:42:30.280 took a video of it happening to me, and I'm 1:42:30.280 --> 1:42:32.840 gonna make a screen grab of the point where it 1:42:32.880 --> 1:42:34.840 got to where she wants it to be. To start 1:42:34.960 --> 1:42:38.320 filling your ear full of cock to get an impression. 1:42:38.439 --> 1:42:41.760 But I don't know if you're encouraging people to come 1:42:41.800 --> 1:42:46.559 to me, because let me tell you something. I a 1:42:46.600 --> 1:42:48.640 while ago, I don't want name names, but while I 1:42:48.720 --> 1:42:51.720 go Yanny and I had the opportunity to get some 1:42:52.280 --> 1:42:54.160 name and name no, I mean, I can eat your 1:42:54.280 --> 1:42:59.960 name who you were somewhere. They didn't do that. They 1:43:00.040 --> 1:43:03.160 didn't do the deep dive. It's like getting a COVID 1:43:03.280 --> 1:43:05.400 test for your ear. Yeah, I was gonna say, if 1:43:05.439 --> 1:43:08.120 you had one of the early COVID tests where it 1:43:08.160 --> 1:43:10.840 felt like they were tickling your brain through your nose, 1:43:11.320 --> 1:43:14.280 that's grace. This is similar to that, but through your ear. 1:43:14.640 --> 1:43:17.840 Now she gets deep. She's taken a deep she puts 1:43:17.840 --> 1:43:19.760 in a what is that ship? What are you? What 1:43:19.760 --> 1:43:21.240 are you putting in there? It's like a two part 1:43:21.240 --> 1:43:24.360 of POxy type goes in soft way couple minutes, pulls 1:43:24.360 --> 1:43:27.599 out it like makes a impression, makes a very detail impression, 1:43:27.960 --> 1:43:31.720 but she likes to the impression is it's deep. Yeah, 1:43:31.760 --> 1:43:33.439 it's deep, and it needs to go past the bend 1:43:33.439 --> 1:43:35.639 of your the second bend of your ear canal, because 1:43:35.680 --> 1:43:37.360 I want to make sure we're not shooting the sound 1:43:37.479 --> 1:43:39.240 right into your ear canal wall. I want to I 1:43:39.280 --> 1:43:43.000 want to point that sound right to your ear drum, 1:43:41.760 --> 1:43:45.240 and it's actually more comfortable and if you go run around, 1:43:45.280 --> 1:43:47.920 it stays in. Explain that more. I think you just 1:43:47.960 --> 1:43:49.880 said something that makes sense to me because we've been 1:43:49.880 --> 1:43:53.240 having this conversation. If someone's listening is like, what are 1:43:53.240 --> 1:43:55.120 they talking? What are you saying when you're saying I 1:43:55.120 --> 1:43:57.880 want to shoot that sound, not just that you're your 1:43:57.920 --> 1:44:01.559 ear canal wall, so you're most human ears have two bends. 1:44:01.720 --> 1:44:04.080 There's a first bend where it curves around, and then 1:44:04.080 --> 1:44:06.080 there's a second bend, which is why you don't want 1:44:06.080 --> 1:44:07.960 to put que tips in there, because you're pushing stuff 1:44:07.960 --> 1:44:09.640 around the second bend. That's where it builds up and 1:44:12.240 --> 1:44:16.439 that's where I get the Q tip needs to hire 1:44:16.479 --> 1:44:20.160 a better lobby, dude. People beat up on q tips, 1:44:20.240 --> 1:44:22.720 but there's still que tips. They're still qute tips. I 1:44:22.800 --> 1:44:25.479 use them with my to put some makeup on. What 1:44:25.520 --> 1:44:29.000 about using hydrogen peroxide? That's okay, that's good as long 1:44:29.000 --> 1:44:30.160 as you don't have a hole in your ear drum 1:44:30.200 --> 1:44:33.400 or anything, because I could get that, but it works. 1:44:33.400 --> 1:44:36.760 Have you ever done that? You put hydrogen peroxide in 1:44:36.800 --> 1:44:39.840 your ear, it bubbles up and they just basically then 1:44:39.840 --> 1:44:42.080 you take a syringe and squirt some water in there 1:44:42.080 --> 1:44:46.840 and flushes everything out. Man, I go careful. I go 1:44:46.920 --> 1:44:49.280 down periodically and have these chunks that ship that looks 1:44:49.280 --> 1:44:53.400 like the end of a pencil eraser. About that hard? 1:44:54.800 --> 1:45:00.559 What are you saying? Oh? But to this point? So um, 1:45:00.600 --> 1:45:03.840 you know, if if I don't accommodate the bins of 1:45:03.880 --> 1:45:06.559 your ear canal by by making a really deep impression 1:45:06.560 --> 1:45:09.800 and getting that full picture, then the sound is going 1:45:09.840 --> 1:45:11.639 to come through the ear plug. You mean the sound 1:45:11.640 --> 1:45:13.200 that you want to come in, right, It's going to 1:45:13.280 --> 1:45:15.559 come through the ear plug. And then if if the 1:45:15.600 --> 1:45:18.439 ear plug dead ends into your ear canal wall, that's 1:45:18.439 --> 1:45:20.320 not gonna sound very good. That's like putting a speaker 1:45:20.360 --> 1:45:22.160 and facing it toward the wall. You gotta back up 1:45:22.160 --> 1:45:25.200 because I feel like people might be confused you were 1:45:25.360 --> 1:45:33.720 fitting us for hearing protection that it's like, uh, it's 1:45:33.880 --> 1:45:35.519 it's flushed to your ear. The ones what are these 1:45:35.560 --> 1:45:39.840 call that I have? Those are the sound gear Phantom. 1:45:39.880 --> 1:45:43.760 It made a mold, but they're like little headphones but 1:45:43.920 --> 1:45:46.280 ear plugs, but ear plugs. When you say the sound 1:45:46.320 --> 1:45:47.920 you're talking about, that you can turn it on and 1:45:47.960 --> 1:45:50.120 control it with your phone and turn the volume up 1:45:50.560 --> 1:45:52.559 so that you can converse and be like, hey, here 1:45:52.560 --> 1:45:55.400 comes some talks at ten o'clock. And there's lots of 1:45:55.400 --> 1:45:57.519 different products. I mean, one thing I definitely want your 1:45:57.560 --> 1:45:59.880 listenership to know is that I'm by no means bound 1:45:59.880 --> 1:46:03.160 to one brander manufacturer. The big backpack full of full 1:46:03.200 --> 1:46:04.840 of loot I brought for you guys, there were like 1:46:04.880 --> 1:46:08.320 four different companies represented in that bag, So I'm not 1:46:08.400 --> 1:46:12.639 doing like a big push for one product specifically. In fact, 1:46:12.760 --> 1:46:14.360 you know, I want a bunch of you guys to 1:46:14.360 --> 1:46:17.080 try this product and then if it's not doing everything 1:46:17.080 --> 1:46:18.479 you wanted to do, let's swap it out and try 1:46:18.520 --> 1:46:20.519 something else. I mean, Otto pro is basically like an 1:46:20.520 --> 1:46:24.760 expert brokerage and customer service agency for your hearing long term. 1:46:24.880 --> 1:46:28.519 So like you have the sound gear FANTOM, if something breaks, 1:46:28.960 --> 1:46:30.880 you don't have to call that eight hundred number. You 1:46:30.880 --> 1:46:33.600 shoot me a text or an email, and myself or 1:46:33.600 --> 1:46:35.680 maybe Jennifer or somebody else on the team is going 1:46:35.720 --> 1:46:37.400 to reach out and be like, what's going on. I'll 1:46:37.439 --> 1:46:39.439 email you a prepaid UPS label. We'll get it turned 1:46:39.479 --> 1:46:42.479 around SAP. So it's out. O pro is built on 1:46:42.520 --> 1:46:45.959 a customer service basis where I am researching the globe 1:46:46.160 --> 1:46:48.280 for the coolest, best product. I brought a couple of 1:46:48.280 --> 1:46:50.040 things for you guys to try that aren't even rated 1:46:50.120 --> 1:46:52.920 in the US system for noise reduction yet, but I 1:46:52.960 --> 1:46:55.200 think they're pretty promising and you might really like them. 1:46:55.280 --> 1:46:57.200 How often do you go do like you did for 1:46:57.479 --> 1:47:00.280 our for us here? How often do you all to 1:47:00.320 --> 1:47:03.800 a place in Man? I've been to some cool places, 1:47:04.200 --> 1:47:06.360 and in reading your book, I kept thinking about this 1:47:06.400 --> 1:47:09.160 one really cool place where parents are raising their kids, 1:47:09.240 --> 1:47:11.960 like ideally, But anyway, I've traveled with some of the 1:47:12.000 --> 1:47:16.559 coolest gun clubs, shooting clubs, UM groups will call me, 1:47:16.600 --> 1:47:18.200 and of course I do some quick back of the 1:47:18.280 --> 1:47:19.800 Napkin math and I'm like, hey, do you have at 1:47:19.880 --> 1:47:21.760 least this many people interested? You know, I need a 1:47:21.760 --> 1:47:24.679 minimum sales amount to justify travel. Is it all gun 1:47:24.720 --> 1:47:27.120 people or is it other people to know it's it's guns, 1:47:27.120 --> 1:47:30.439 it's shooting, but it's also motorcycles. Music. I work with 1:47:30.439 --> 1:47:33.080 a lot of musicians because of my training in Nashville, 1:47:33.120 --> 1:47:35.080 I've got a lot of experience with in your monitors, 1:47:35.320 --> 1:47:37.840 and I can build out different cool products, Like for 1:47:37.880 --> 1:47:40.519 one of your camera guys, I've built out basically a 1:47:40.560 --> 1:47:43.080 dual driver in your monitor that can plug into his camera, 1:47:43.439 --> 1:47:48.880 but then also putting Matt gag. I didn't say it right. 1:47:49.840 --> 1:47:52.360 So also because that's one thing you've seen drive camera 1:47:52.400 --> 1:47:55.599 guys nuts going through the woods with the wires. Yeah, 1:47:55.880 --> 1:47:59.920 so like three all their bushes back. You know, that's 1:48:00.040 --> 1:48:02.439 in like this other product I made for you that 1:48:02.479 --> 1:48:04.519 has this specils she filter in it. I put that 1:48:04.600 --> 1:48:06.599 into his product as well, so that he can hear 1:48:06.640 --> 1:48:09.599 what you're saying in real life. He can hear leaves rustling, 1:48:09.600 --> 1:48:11.680 but then he's also plugged into his camera. You have 1:48:11.800 --> 1:48:14.080 to make a product called the camera dude. Let's call 1:48:14.120 --> 1:48:16.040 it the camera dude. I mean this is something that 1:48:16.120 --> 1:48:19.160 I'm just working with with my manufacturer to just custom 1:48:19.240 --> 1:48:23.760 build cool things. And then uh, and then I was complaining. 1:48:24.800 --> 1:48:26.479 Another thing that prompted us to have you come on 1:48:26.680 --> 1:48:29.599 talk about your services is I was saying how I 1:48:29.640 --> 1:48:36.200 had just gone to order a good swim ear plug 1:48:36.720 --> 1:48:40.640 and when I'm after to swim, anyone that suffers from 1:48:40.640 --> 1:48:42.400 where you you spend time in the water and then 1:48:42.439 --> 1:48:44.759 you have water your ear and it drives you little bonkers, 1:48:45.560 --> 1:48:49.160 or I've had and it's ever happened to people, But 1:48:49.720 --> 1:48:53.439 someone like kicks a fin close to your head or 1:48:53.520 --> 1:48:55.679 does a fast movement close to your head and pushes 1:48:55.720 --> 1:48:58.920 a wall of water, it's painful. Well, in your ear 1:48:58.920 --> 1:49:02.120 canals are quite bendy, as we found out with your 1:49:02.120 --> 1:49:05.439 Emerald impression process, so water can get trapped back there 1:49:05.560 --> 1:49:08.640 harder for it to run back. So I went online 1:49:08.840 --> 1:49:13.200 and bought some kind of like Joe Blow nineteen dollar 1:49:13.280 --> 1:49:15.720 thing and it made a big difference. But every time 1:49:15.720 --> 1:49:17.880 I get out of water, I'm missing one or both 1:49:17.920 --> 1:49:19.880 of them, and I would just tie them to the 1:49:19.880 --> 1:49:21.880 back of my mask and so I'd usually like recover 1:49:21.960 --> 1:49:23.720 them somehow, but they would never were they were when 1:49:23.720 --> 1:49:26.240 I started but I was having positive like I was. 1:49:28.160 --> 1:49:29.960 You call it body surfing my kids, right, and I 1:49:30.000 --> 1:49:32.679 had them in and UM made a big difference because 1:49:32.680 --> 1:49:34.120 I'm a really scared to do that kind of stuff 1:49:34.160 --> 1:49:36.960 because that sort of thing gets water my ears. But 1:49:37.160 --> 1:49:39.920 you made me a souped up one of those, and 1:49:39.960 --> 1:49:42.200 they're corded. And and now that I've got your ears 1:49:42.200 --> 1:49:45.160 molded in a digital file of that, if Heaven forbid 1:49:45.280 --> 1:49:47.120 you lose them, you just shoot me a message and 1:49:47.160 --> 1:49:48.960 I'll get you another set made, I don't have to 1:49:49.000 --> 1:49:52.240 mold your ears again, So that's nice. But you know 1:49:52.320 --> 1:49:54.840 one thing, you know, these custom products. I'm a big 1:49:54.840 --> 1:49:57.479 believer in custom for hearing protection, not just for comfort, 1:49:57.520 --> 1:50:00.680 but to achieve that perfect acoustic seal because any air 1:50:00.760 --> 1:50:04.040 leakage the sound waves can travel through. So to really 1:50:04.080 --> 1:50:06.160 protect you, I want you and custom ideally. But I 1:50:06.240 --> 1:50:08.599 also recognize that an entry price point of a couple 1:50:08.600 --> 1:50:10.920 of hundred bucks is not accessible to a lot of people. 1:50:11.280 --> 1:50:13.400 So one thing that I really took into account after 1:50:13.479 --> 1:50:16.120 meeting with you guys back here in March, I started 1:50:16.160 --> 1:50:19.880 really thinking, like, how do I create something that can 1:50:19.880 --> 1:50:22.360 be more accessible? You know, we said my job is 1:50:22.400 --> 1:50:24.920 to give you the most realistic tools that you'll actually wear. 1:50:25.280 --> 1:50:27.160 I'm not going to convince you to not shoot or hunt, 1:50:27.200 --> 1:50:28.560 nor do I want to, And you're not going to 1:50:28.640 --> 1:50:32.679 wear a full body armor to like have ideal hearing protection. 1:50:33.080 --> 1:50:35.639 So I started thinking, and I decided I can put 1:50:35.680 --> 1:50:38.200 these filters that are in this product I made for 1:50:38.240 --> 1:50:40.800 you where you can hear soft medium sounds great and 1:50:40.800 --> 1:50:43.000 then it blocks the blast of the gun. But those 1:50:43.040 --> 1:50:46.080 are out the door some odd bucks. I'm going to 1:50:46.160 --> 1:50:48.400 take that exact filter. This is going to be available 1:50:48.600 --> 1:50:51.479 beginning next month on my website, and I'm putting those 1:50:51.479 --> 1:50:55.520 into multiple size triple flange sleeves to make a universal 1:50:55.600 --> 1:50:59.080 fit version that's just fifty bucks, and then they're big. 1:50:59.120 --> 1:51:02.519 Plus they are upgradeable to custom later, so you could 1:51:02.520 --> 1:51:04.719 go to my website and you could order a custom 1:51:04.760 --> 1:51:07.320 fit sleeve later if you want to. If you want 1:51:07.320 --> 1:51:09.880 to save up, somebody get it. How do you get 1:51:09.880 --> 1:51:13.840 it molded? So I send that kit in the mail. No, no, 1:51:14.080 --> 1:51:16.680 because you can't do it yourself like I did it 1:51:16.720 --> 1:51:19.280 on you. So I've got this growing network right now, 1:51:19.280 --> 1:51:21.599 We're up to about a hundred and sixty providers across 1:51:21.680 --> 1:51:23.800 the country. And we're sourcing new clinics daily where I 1:51:23.920 --> 1:51:26.240 work with local audiologists to you down the street from 1:51:26.240 --> 1:51:29.160 wherever you live, and I talk with them, develop a 1:51:29.200 --> 1:51:31.360 relationship so that they know exactly how I want that 1:51:31.400 --> 1:51:34.240 molding process done, so we can communicate. You can check 1:51:34.280 --> 1:51:35.920 out on the website and then I send you the 1:51:36.000 --> 1:51:38.800 UPS label and facilitate that whole appointment locally for you 1:51:38.800 --> 1:51:42.400 to get your ears molden. One of the biggest reasons 1:51:42.400 --> 1:51:47.400 I wanted to get nice customs, which I now have 1:51:47.479 --> 1:51:53.080 owned for two hours. Um, I'm extremely lazy. I've gotten 1:51:53.080 --> 1:51:55.439 to the point where I'll go to the range and 1:51:55.479 --> 1:52:01.639 bring headphones, but I just won't do it. Maybe duck hunting. 1:52:01.680 --> 1:52:04.360 If I know it's gonna be a stellar day, I'll 1:52:04.400 --> 1:52:06.320 do it. But it still drives me nuts and I'll 1:52:06.320 --> 1:52:09.920 put headphones on. I've never found something that inspires me 1:52:09.960 --> 1:52:14.400 to do it. And my buddy Cal got some he 1:52:14.439 --> 1:52:17.080 said once he had him, and he's like, man, all 1:52:17.160 --> 1:52:19.439 that hassle, I'm definitely gonna wear him now like that 1:52:19.920 --> 1:52:24.479 like some pragmatics. Yeah, now he's now. Anytime you do 1:52:24.560 --> 1:52:27.160 anything with Cal, he's got those things hanging around his 1:52:27.200 --> 1:52:29.479 neck and he sticks him in and I just won't 1:52:29.520 --> 1:52:36.599 do it. And last year Garrett there did. He's got 1:52:36.600 --> 1:52:38.920 a little what's it called big, he had a big 1:52:38.960 --> 1:52:42.799 bastard bastard break on, that fat bastard break on shot 1:52:42.840 --> 1:52:44.640 three times. I kept thinking he was done shooting, and 1:52:44.640 --> 1:52:48.679 he kept shooting. Were like to I think I think 1:52:48.680 --> 1:52:50.840 it echoed off that pine tree. And I was sitting 1:52:50.880 --> 1:52:52.920 too close to you, and I didn't want to plug 1:52:53.000 --> 1:52:55.360 my ears because look at through my binocular. We both 1:52:55.400 --> 1:52:57.880 had our ear pro just sitting on our backpacks, you know, 1:52:58.000 --> 1:52:59.760 But it was typical thing. You're like, oh, we gotta 1:52:59.760 --> 1:53:02.519 move now, like we don't have time to put this in, 1:53:02.880 --> 1:53:07.880 and and you know, as I'm as, I'm like, I 1:53:07.960 --> 1:53:11.160 now consider myself your personal hearing coach. So you're here, 1:53:11.160 --> 1:53:13.519 we go. But as I'm as I'm talking to you guys, 1:53:13.520 --> 1:53:15.080 I'm really going to encourage you to try to wear 1:53:15.120 --> 1:53:16.880 these as much as you can, just to get used 1:53:16.880 --> 1:53:18.360 to them so that when you put them on and 1:53:18.400 --> 1:53:20.080 you're in the moment and you're in the hunt and 1:53:20.080 --> 1:53:22.000 you need to focus, I don't want you to have 1:53:22.080 --> 1:53:23.680 to remember in that moment, oh, I gotta put my 1:53:23.680 --> 1:53:25.839 ears in before I shoot because you're not going to remember. 1:53:26.200 --> 1:53:29.639 I'm committed to changing it because when I do, I've 1:53:29.640 --> 1:53:33.280 done two hearing tests. Each time I do a hearing test, 1:53:33.640 --> 1:53:36.439 the person conducting the hearing test says I'm a left 1:53:36.479 --> 1:53:38.880 handed shooter. I'll point out they say that in your 1:53:39.000 --> 1:53:40.960 right ear, which makes sense because that's the one tip 1:53:41.000 --> 1:53:45.280 towards the muzzle that I have hearing damage in my 1:53:45.439 --> 1:53:48.400 right ear. That is the type of hearing damage associated 1:53:48.439 --> 1:53:52.799 with like loud noises. So I know that I've whacked 1:53:52.800 --> 1:53:55.800 out my own ear. Yeah, absolutely, And I know that 1:53:55.840 --> 1:54:00.840 other people hear gobbles better than I do, a lot better. Well, 1:54:00.880 --> 1:54:03.920 I'll be to see, like you know, I'm I've thrown 1:54:04.000 --> 1:54:06.400 this this really high end technology at you guys to 1:54:06.439 --> 1:54:09.120 try as a starting point, but you might find that 1:54:09.320 --> 1:54:11.519 if you don't want to have to remember to charge something, 1:54:12.080 --> 1:54:14.280 then that's something we're gonna be talking about, like how 1:54:14.320 --> 1:54:16.200 these different features work for you, because I might need 1:54:16.240 --> 1:54:18.880 to swap it out for a simpler battery operated version, 1:54:19.120 --> 1:54:21.679 or you know, there's it's not a one size fits 1:54:21.800 --> 1:54:23.880 at Like you know, I don't want these listeners to 1:54:23.920 --> 1:54:25.800 be like, oh, I want whatever Chester has, or I 1:54:25.840 --> 1:54:29.760 want whatever Steve has because different people are gonna have 1:54:29.800 --> 1:54:32.400 different adoption rates for different technologies. I got an apology 1:54:32.400 --> 1:54:35.320 I gotta make to you. Okay, I want to mind 1:54:35.400 --> 1:54:38.560 read on the right. Do you remember this? And I said, 1:54:38.640 --> 1:54:42.040 because it'll be like I'm a boat red right returning. 1:54:42.760 --> 1:54:45.840 Do you know how's wrong? It's right. It's red right 1:54:45.880 --> 1:54:51.320 from the person looking at its stage right versus so 1:54:51.720 --> 1:54:55.120 your boat. If I'm the boat, the red is being 1:54:55.160 --> 1:54:57.920 my left and then you're looking at me and you 1:54:58.000 --> 1:55:03.320 think right. That's one of those situations where ignorance is bliss. Steve, 1:55:03.520 --> 1:55:06.400 just go with red right right. One of mine is 1:55:06.440 --> 1:55:08.640 red ones blue. I look, I'm like red right. I 1:55:08.680 --> 1:55:10.040 put that in my ear, and I know the other 1:55:10.080 --> 1:55:14.640 one that was red right too. Yeah. A lot of 1:55:14.640 --> 1:55:16.720 you guys did red blue. A lot of them did orange. 1:55:17.080 --> 1:55:22.760 I just did. There's you. I think you can't physically 1:55:22.800 --> 1:55:24.720 put the right one in the left ear. I mean 1:55:24.720 --> 1:55:29.680 you're gonna Yeah, that's so stupid. He did both red. 1:55:31.280 --> 1:55:33.200 I'll tell you why. Guy's never gonna figure it out. 1:55:33.680 --> 1:55:36.640 Tell you why. I lose things a lot, and I 1:55:36.720 --> 1:55:39.880 just wanted two things that I could see. I feel 1:55:39.920 --> 1:55:42.800 like the red sticks out a little more than the blue. Well, 1:55:42.840 --> 1:55:44.640 you're gonna be fiddling around by the time you get 1:55:44.640 --> 1:55:46.360 those in, the animals gonna be gone. You can just 1:55:46.480 --> 1:55:49.360 look and be like, oh, that one's right, that one's left. 1:55:49.800 --> 1:55:51.840 That might be a product you want to work into 1:55:51.880 --> 1:55:54.560 your fifty version, because the one I used to use 1:55:54.600 --> 1:55:56.880 a lot as a guide as I had those Howard 1:55:57.320 --> 1:56:00.280 light Um the band that would just sit on my 1:56:00.400 --> 1:56:03.280 neck and they're just those little foamies and then in 1:56:03.320 --> 1:56:05.840 the moment you can just you know, pop them in 1:56:05.960 --> 1:56:09.880 real quick. Anotherbody of mine has the little folmies that 1:56:09.880 --> 1:56:12.120 are on the cord and he ties them into his 1:56:12.160 --> 1:56:18.120 sunglasses that are He's always wearing them into the little flies. No. 1:56:18.360 --> 1:56:20.320 I mean, if if that's all you have, that can 1:56:20.360 --> 1:56:23.440 protect you really well, but it's just nobody wears them correctly. 1:56:23.720 --> 1:56:25.680 If I see someone wearing phonies correctly, it's like I 1:56:25.680 --> 1:56:27.400 want to go give him a high five. Listen, I've 1:56:27.400 --> 1:56:31.320 been preaching and carrying on your message about foamies since 1:56:31.360 --> 1:56:33.200 we last hung out. I bet you I've thinking at 1:56:33.280 --> 1:56:36.200 least a dozen people how to properly insert a phoney. Now, 1:56:36.520 --> 1:56:39.720 I love that because truly, at the end of the day, 1:56:39.880 --> 1:56:42.839 when people contact me through my website or social whatever. 1:56:43.000 --> 1:56:45.720 And if they're just not going to purchase anything else, 1:56:45.760 --> 1:56:47.360 then you know what, I'll at least show you how 1:56:47.400 --> 1:56:50.560 to wear foami or plugs correctly, and then eventually, when 1:56:50.560 --> 1:56:53.360 you're ready, you're going to come back and we'll work 1:56:53.360 --> 1:56:56.000 something out. But like my job is to help people 1:56:56.040 --> 1:56:58.440 protect their hearing. Everybody a hot tip right now, help 1:56:58.520 --> 1:57:01.240 him out there. You're gonna pull up that foamire plug 1:57:01.280 --> 1:57:03.480 to be just as narrow and skinny as you can 1:57:04.280 --> 1:57:07.360 tight tight. You're gonna pull back on the on the 1:57:07.400 --> 1:57:09.480 back of your ear to straighten out your ear canal, 1:57:09.920 --> 1:57:12.080 and then put it in just as far as you 1:57:12.120 --> 1:57:19.040 can stand it. You should like cough or not, because 1:57:19.040 --> 1:57:20.880 you would never do that with a Q tip. But 1:57:21.000 --> 1:57:23.480 you do that, you're wondering, like will I be able 1:57:23.560 --> 1:57:25.560 to grab the tip of it to pull it back? 1:57:25.800 --> 1:57:31.000 Will you will know? But in thou But the thing is, 1:57:31.680 --> 1:57:33.280 you got to be patient. You can't just let go 1:57:33.400 --> 1:57:35.720 real quick. You gotta hold it in that position to 1:57:35.800 --> 1:57:39.040 let it fully expand so that'll stay put. Because with 1:57:39.080 --> 1:57:41.120 those foamies, as you move your jaw around as you 1:57:41.160 --> 1:57:43.160 mount your gun, you're moving your head around it's gonna 1:57:43.160 --> 1:57:45.600 wiggle its way out. It's constantly kind of moving in there. 1:57:45.920 --> 1:57:48.840 It's amazing the difference when you do it right, that 1:57:48.920 --> 1:57:52.560 is how I used to do it. Yeah, yeah, well yeah, 1:57:52.600 --> 1:57:53.880 I always do it in the way that since I 1:57:53.960 --> 1:57:57.080 take one step, it's gone. The only the only problem 1:57:57.080 --> 1:57:59.160 with that is you do not have enough time to 1:57:59.200 --> 1:58:02.560 put those in in most applications in hunting, unless you're 1:58:02.560 --> 1:58:05.440 like duck hunting. You can like plan ahead, but you 1:58:05.440 --> 1:58:08.600 don't want to blow a duck call in solid ear plugs, right, 1:58:08.720 --> 1:58:11.640 I mean, Shawn like that you can't tell what's going on. Well, yeah, 1:58:11.680 --> 1:58:12.920 you want to be able to hear your duck call. 1:58:13.320 --> 1:58:15.560 And so even with these electronics where I get the 1:58:15.640 --> 1:58:17.480 I get the best response from my duck hunters with 1:58:17.520 --> 1:58:19.920 these electronics because they can still here. Because they can 1:58:19.960 --> 1:58:22.440 still here. But you still have to practice. Like some 1:58:22.480 --> 1:58:25.120 of my best duck calling clients have coached people to 1:58:25.200 --> 1:58:28.520 record themselves calling with and without the hearing protection in 1:58:29.000 --> 1:58:30.680 because we talked about this a little bit earlier. It's 1:58:30.680 --> 1:58:33.200 almost like a musical instrument. Um, I can play my 1:58:33.240 --> 1:58:36.320 eighth grade piano recital piece from just muscle memory, but 1:58:36.400 --> 1:58:39.040 if I'm learning a new song, it's auditory. You know, 1:58:39.160 --> 1:58:41.120 you're really paying attention to how it sounds. And with 1:58:41.160 --> 1:58:43.360 a lot of duck callers, it's a mix of those 1:58:43.400 --> 1:58:45.640 two things, and so you're you really need to get 1:58:45.640 --> 1:58:49.080 the muscle memory part down so that meanwhile you're still 1:58:49.080 --> 1:58:51.080 going to hear it through the ear plugs. It's not 1:58:51.320 --> 1:58:54.160 it's never going to sound the same. And that's a 1:58:54.520 --> 1:58:56.840 I mean, that's something that that was a way that 1:58:56.960 --> 1:59:00.360 I got to be, not just like a tall herbal 1:59:00.840 --> 1:59:03.200 or decent duck caller, but to get to be a 1:59:03.280 --> 1:59:06.520 real advanced duck caller is to record yourself and hear 1:59:06.640 --> 1:59:09.800 yourself from a different perspective, because it's never the same 1:59:10.280 --> 1:59:12.280 as how it sounds right here. The same thing with 1:59:12.360 --> 1:59:16.360 playing music. Yeah, yeah, you gotta record yourself into it back. 1:59:16.520 --> 1:59:18.240 And by the way, duck calls can get up to 1:59:18.760 --> 1:59:22.400 twenty decibles. So when you talk about you can damage 1:59:22.400 --> 1:59:24.760 your ears blown a duck call, absolutely sure I have. 1:59:25.440 --> 1:59:28.280 I mean, I think duck duck hunters are some of 1:59:28.360 --> 1:59:30.640 the most at risk because you are you're down in 1:59:30.680 --> 1:59:33.280 those sometimes like a metal pit blind you're blowing duck 1:59:33.280 --> 1:59:35.640 calls and then you're shooting a lot and somebody's all 1:59:35.640 --> 1:59:39.520 of a sudden shooting over your head close to somebody. Yeah, 1:59:41.920 --> 1:59:44.800 tell us how bad my hearing is and how good 1:59:44.840 --> 1:59:49.480 sets hearing? All right, you're hearing. We did a quick 1:59:49.520 --> 1:59:51.680 test before the podcast started. I'm not going to say 1:59:51.680 --> 1:59:55.960 I was surprised by your hearing test results though, honestly, 1:59:56.480 --> 1:59:59.880 I mean you've you've got a forty four year old 2:00:01.200 --> 2:00:04.839 that's done some shooting, some construction. All right, I'll show everyone. 2:00:05.680 --> 2:00:11.320 All right, this is honest is hearing tests. Uh, we're 2:00:11.360 --> 2:00:13.600 just going to assume that you've signed all the Hippo 2:00:13.680 --> 2:00:18.200 releases and I can talk about your medical hearing on 2:00:18.240 --> 2:00:21.200 the on the podcast, But you want everything to be 2:00:21.280 --> 2:00:25.200 above that black horizontal line you see there. And this 2:00:25.200 --> 2:00:28.040 this is this is an audiogram. It's arranged from left 2:00:28.040 --> 2:00:31.160 to right based to trouble like a piano keyboard. Top 2:00:31.160 --> 2:00:33.120 of the graph is really soft sounds, and then it 2:00:33.160 --> 2:00:35.400 gets louder and louder as you move down the graph. 2:00:35.760 --> 2:00:38.600 So these are your hearing thresholds. The softest sounds that 2:00:38.600 --> 2:00:41.400 you could detect were present. And so you can see 2:00:41.400 --> 2:00:43.840 in your left ear, which is blue in some of 2:00:43.840 --> 2:00:47.560 these higher pitches down his shooting ear is way down 2:00:48.480 --> 2:00:51.080 and the high yeah, and we would call this a 2:00:51.160 --> 2:00:55.680 noise notch from shooting, where like the those are the 2:00:55.680 --> 2:00:57.880 hair cells that we talked about earlier that have been 2:00:57.880 --> 2:01:03.520 the most damaged, and you've got some that's so wrong 2:01:03.560 --> 2:01:06.640 you might have to edit that out. That was so wrong. Um, 2:01:06.760 --> 2:01:09.680 you don't even try to be politically interesting. Goes back 2:01:09.720 --> 2:01:13.280 up like that's the that's the notch components. So a 2:01:13.320 --> 2:01:15.760 lot of times with with a with a blast, or 2:01:15.840 --> 2:01:18.320 like if a musician has like a big feedback exposure, 2:01:18.480 --> 2:01:22.080 it'll present as a notch where yeah, yeah, and you'll 2:01:22.080 --> 2:01:25.920 see a little bit of the left one is worse 2:01:25.960 --> 2:01:28.800 than the right. The left is worse, just barely breaks 2:01:28.840 --> 2:01:30.280 the lines. That should be a way where you can 2:01:30.400 --> 2:01:33.400 prove how much shooting you do. All right, this is seth. 2:01:34.920 --> 2:01:38.480 Look at that word he hears those gobbles beautiful dares 2:01:38.520 --> 2:01:40.680 where I hear the gobbles Where that one goes up 2:01:44.120 --> 2:01:46.360 like you wouldn't believe. I mean, he has excellent hearing 2:01:46.560 --> 2:01:48.760 and he's that jumpy, so he doesn't do false alarms. 2:01:49.560 --> 2:01:56.040 Is he younger than everybody? Let me ester, can you 2:01:56.160 --> 2:01:58.160 will you be able to send us those pictures? I 2:01:58.200 --> 2:02:00.920 can send them to you for sure, Chester, you're doing 2:02:00.960 --> 2:02:04.520 pretty good too. Everything's above the line. Left and right 2:02:04.520 --> 2:02:06.760 here are about the same. You can hear a wallet. 2:02:07.000 --> 2:02:09.360 Was I the closest to set? I think I was 2:02:09.400 --> 2:02:16.520 probably Sean, you're good too, I mean, you're look at that. 2:02:18.480 --> 2:02:20.920 I was really surprised by here. He is always acting 2:02:20.960 --> 2:02:23.560 like he hunts a lot of ducks. But the figures, 2:02:24.880 --> 2:02:28.920 did he honest go lower than I did? Then Garrett's 2:02:28.920 --> 2:02:30.920 got a bad shooting. Do let me see here? Hold 2:02:30.960 --> 2:02:35.560 on a sec Scarrett, Oh, yours is pretty bad. There's 2:02:35.600 --> 2:02:44.680 Garrett left here left ear down that body. That's a 2:02:44.720 --> 2:02:47.640 three gun shooter for you. Yeah, that's a that's that's 2:02:47.680 --> 2:02:50.280 like an AD. Yeah, that's an AD for muzzle brakes. Man. 2:02:50.600 --> 2:02:52.840 You're right here still looks really good, and you just 2:02:52.880 --> 2:02:55.160 want to make sure you protect what you've got, you know, 2:02:55.320 --> 2:02:58.360 like you can you can hold this steady if you 2:02:58.400 --> 2:03:01.480 can be really intentional out. But that shouldn't be only 2:03:01.640 --> 2:03:04.320 directed at Garrett and I just because we're already at 2:03:04.320 --> 2:03:08.760 a sad pointing. Those that have great hearing should be 2:03:08.840 --> 2:03:13.839 even more. We're all about, like I want to prevent 2:03:13.920 --> 2:03:16.040 and delay the problems that I spent so many years 2:03:16.080 --> 2:03:19.400 treating clinically because it is so preventable, and so much 2:03:19.440 --> 2:03:22.000 of the medical communities, like OH treat early with hearing aids. 2:03:22.040 --> 2:03:24.560 Hearing aids earlier. Well, I mean, the hearing aid industry 2:03:24.640 --> 2:03:26.880 is what it is. I say, move away, get out 2:03:26.880 --> 2:03:29.280 from under the dollar signs of the hearing it industry. 2:03:29.400 --> 2:03:32.120 If we want to be the hearing healthcare experts, we 2:03:32.160 --> 2:03:33.760 got to go to where people are, get out in 2:03:33.760 --> 2:03:36.920 front of the problem, start the relationship with an audiologist 2:03:36.920 --> 2:03:41.120 and a hearing care professional before the problem starts. As 2:03:41.160 --> 2:03:44.200 I was saying, where is your graph? Here's the thing. 2:03:44.280 --> 2:03:46.000 Did you want to finish the test? He did? I 2:03:46.000 --> 2:03:49.360 think he cheated. I think he cheated the system. This 2:03:49.360 --> 2:03:52.560 this this because I did better on that than I 2:03:52.560 --> 2:03:55.080 did on my other two hearing tests, which your other 2:03:55.080 --> 2:03:57.480 two hearing tests. It sounds like we're in the legit 2:03:57.520 --> 2:04:00.879 sound booth, the full diagnostic hearing test. And they were alarmed. 2:04:01.120 --> 2:04:03.880 They were just saying, you have some What I brought you, guys, 2:04:04.080 --> 2:04:06.800 is a hearing screening tool that's built into a headset. 2:04:07.280 --> 2:04:09.800 And while it does a very good job and I've 2:04:09.800 --> 2:04:13.520 seen some good consistent results, it's not as as definitive 2:04:13.520 --> 2:04:17.000 as what's going to be in a sound booth. Just 2:04:17.240 --> 2:04:20.880 as you say you can't trust a skinny chef, I 2:04:20.920 --> 2:04:23.879 don't think you could trust like someone in the hunting 2:04:23.920 --> 2:04:27.760 industry and it doesn't have some hearing laws. Ah, I'll 2:04:27.800 --> 2:04:31.360 leave it at that. You're very then you're very trustworthy. 2:04:32.800 --> 2:04:35.560 As I was saying, you're never going to invite me back, 2:04:35.560 --> 2:04:38.680 because no, no, no, you come back the minute you 2:04:38.720 --> 2:04:41.320 make the turkey gobbl thing. He's just mad at me. 2:04:41.440 --> 2:04:43.840 Now I'm just mad at Yanni. You've been great, You're 2:04:43.880 --> 2:04:45.600 gonna make the turkey gobbl thing. I just wanted to 2:04:45.600 --> 2:04:49.040 clarify a point I have like nothing in the game here. 2:04:50.000 --> 2:04:52.640 You came to provide a service to equip us with 2:04:52.680 --> 2:04:55.839 the hearing protection friend of a friend of a friend introduced. Yeah. 2:04:55.880 --> 2:04:59.320 I learned so much and liked it. I have concern 2:04:59.440 --> 2:05:02.800 for other shooters. I know how frustrating is to not 2:05:02.880 --> 2:05:05.600 hear gobbles when other people can hear the gobbles or 2:05:05.640 --> 2:05:09.000 elk bugles, what have you? And uh, I feel like 2:05:09.040 --> 2:05:13.400 people should um because you're you know, you're fun to 2:05:13.440 --> 2:05:15.520 hang out with, you know all the terminology, you've got 2:05:15.520 --> 2:05:17.760 the product line. People should call up and get some 2:05:17.800 --> 2:05:22.320 freaking ear plugs. Thank you. I appreciate that Pro Technologies 2:05:22.400 --> 2:05:26.760 dot Com. Grace something or another, Grace stirred of it, 2:05:27.120 --> 2:05:33.120 stirred of it, stirred events. Just call me Grace Score. 2:05:33.200 --> 2:05:36.680 My parents will appreciate it. Whose maiden name was Grace Score. 2:05:36.840 --> 2:05:39.080 My maiden name was Gray Score. Grace stirred event. You 2:05:39.120 --> 2:05:41.920 can call me otto pro Grace, Grace. I'll go. I'll 2:05:41.920 --> 2:05:47.120 be like share from man. Just call me Grace is Tennessee, Hey, 2:05:47.160 --> 2:05:51.520 not that long ago two thousand seven seven? Oh sorry, 2:05:51.640 --> 2:05:54.720 someone said I thought, how old you think? I don't 2:05:54.760 --> 2:05:59.840 answer that. No, we're talking about ninety was one that 2:06:00.000 --> 2:06:03.760 eellows don't peaked. Apparently I need to up my skincare 2:06:03.840 --> 2:06:08.640 regime already. I want to say it, but it's already 2:06:08.640 --> 2:06:14.440 happen to you call it. No, I really appreciate you 2:06:14.440 --> 2:06:17.400 guys having me. Never did I dream when I started 2:06:17.440 --> 2:06:21.280 this little business at my kitchen table in that I'd 2:06:21.320 --> 2:06:24.080 be sitting here with a national audience in this big network. 2:06:24.120 --> 2:06:27.920 And actually, I truly believe that I'm helping to change 2:06:27.920 --> 2:06:31.520 the conversation about hearing protection. So thank you to close. 2:06:31.640 --> 2:06:37.280 Yanni hit him with a far off bugle, wanna be 2:06:37.280 --> 2:06:40.920 able to hear that. Get some earplugs. You gotta reply. 2:06:42.120 --> 2:06:44.800 Can I give you something to read on the air. 2:06:45.680 --> 2:06:49.080 I think it's a great closing, very short. That's Phil 2:06:52.000 --> 2:06:57.240 at this point, Phil, all right. This is Jennifer who 2:06:57.240 --> 2:07:02.280 works with Otto Pro. She's our client coordinator. Hers on 2:07:02.160 --> 2:07:05.080 one of those kind of papers. Her son is such 2:07:05.120 --> 2:07:07.680 a huge fan of all of you guys. He knows 2:07:07.760 --> 2:07:12.320 all your names. He was so just I mean, he 2:07:12.360 --> 2:07:15.320 couldn't believe that I was coming here, and he went 2:07:15.360 --> 2:07:17.040 by their house to pick up something, handed me this 2:07:17.120 --> 2:07:18.880 to give to you, and I thought it was so 2:07:18.960 --> 2:07:22.000 well written. Okay, I'm reading from one of these pieces 2:07:22.000 --> 2:07:25.960 of papers. The piece of paper, kids, get where it's 2:07:25.960 --> 2:07:28.480 got all the lines so you can make your penmanship perfect. 2:07:29.400 --> 2:07:33.800 Dear Mr Steve Alex guy already. I love your TV shows. 2:07:33.840 --> 2:07:37.200 My favorite shows about bow fishing. I have never done that, 2:07:37.240 --> 2:07:39.760 but I hope I get to do that one day. 2:07:39.840 --> 2:07:43.680 I like to hunt and fish so I can be 2:07:43.800 --> 2:07:49.000 like my dad and grandfather. Listen to Miss Grace, so 2:07:49.080 --> 2:07:51.160 you can keep teaching me a few things. Keep keep 2:07:51.240 --> 2:07:55.040 teaching me new things. That's great. From Liam Stewart Age seven, 2:07:55.920 --> 2:08:00.680 and he included his address. Yes you want to send 2:08:00.720 --> 2:08:04.000 him a book, the line about listen to Miss Grace 2:08:04.040 --> 2:08:07.960 so you can keep teaching me. I think that's pretty sweet. 2:08:08.080 --> 2:08:10.280 All right, guys, thank you for tuning in. Thank you