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Speaker 1: everybody eight Grace. When I say Grace, not this time
Speaker 1: and next time, but not this time. When I say Grace,
Speaker 1: not this time, but next time, you fill in your
Speaker 1: last name. Okay, we're joined by Grace, an audiologist and
Speaker 1: the founder of auto pro. You would talk about, among
Speaker 1: many other things, Um, is it auto or Otto It's
Speaker 1: but I didn't want to interrupt you right off the bat.
Speaker 1: We're talking about souped up um, souped up hearing protection
Speaker 1: and what happens to your ears when you a lifetime
Speaker 1: a gun shooting or a few weekends of being in
Speaker 1: a duck blind and then your body rips one across
Speaker 1: your ear, and then for the next couple of days,
Speaker 1: it's like you're thinking, man, that probably did something, but
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like, what did it do? Do you
Speaker 1: want that? Now? I'm just teeing it up. I'll point
Speaker 1: out to the graceers. Just tell him that she's no
Speaker 1: stranger to microphones because he used to do what now?
Speaker 1: I hosted the midday Motown and sixties classic show and
Speaker 1: start any two point three FM Granada nice like Granada
Speaker 1: down in Mississippi. Also not where Noriega, nine miles south
Speaker 1: of Memphis, Tennessee. Um was that a paid gigha And
Speaker 1: it was awesome because I sold ads for the radio station.
Speaker 1: So I'd go around all my friend's parents had small
Speaker 1: business something Grenada, and we put together some you know,
Speaker 1: cheesy fund commercials for him, and then I got residuals
Speaker 1: off that checking the mail in college for like the
Speaker 1: next year. Were you were you wanting to be a
Speaker 1: Were you wanting to be a media like a like
Speaker 1: a media professional. I've always been into music and growing
Speaker 1: up I was around like old music. I'm an Elvis fan,
Speaker 1: So I mean it was kind of when I heard
Speaker 1: about this gig at the radio station, I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: that sounds pretty cool. And I've just never been a
Speaker 1: stranger to the microphone and now you're definitely no stranger
Speaker 1: to the headphones. Yeah, so uh you being an Elvis fan?
Speaker 1: Was your face is there like a connection between your
Speaker 1: name being Grace and Grace Lane and all grandmother and
Speaker 1: on the other side of my family, I was named
Speaker 1: after a woman on my dad's side of the family.
Speaker 1: On my mom's side of the family, my grandmother, who's
Speaker 1: still living, is a huge Elvis fan and would take
Speaker 1: me to Graceland and she actually met Elvis once in
Speaker 1: his driveway. Um, what was the moment? What you're you're
Speaker 1: so you're doing, You're like a radio DJ, and then
Speaker 1: you're like, no, I'm gonna go to med school or
Speaker 1: whatever they call it. What do they call it? Audiology school?
Speaker 1: It's still a medical center at Vanderbilt. But what was that?
Speaker 1: What was that decision? That aha moment? Well, honestly, I
Speaker 1: do want to make some money. The radio gig was
Speaker 1: when I was in school at the College of Charleston,
Speaker 1: which my dad still calls my two year beach vacation. Um,
Speaker 1: I was, I was all. I didn't know what I
Speaker 1: wanted to do. At one point, I was biology, at
Speaker 1: one point I was communications. I did some music classes,
Speaker 1: and then, um, I as I got serious about my
Speaker 1: life what I wanted to do, I thought I wanted
Speaker 1: to be a speech pathologist. My mom is a speech
Speaker 1: language pathologist, and I've always liked just the way she's
Speaker 1: been able to balance her, you know, being a mom
Speaker 1: and working in different capacities, and I thought, well, I
Speaker 1: could do that. And then through those classes, I watched
Speaker 1: a documentary about a kid that received a cochlear implant
Speaker 1: who had been born deaf, and this little girl she
Speaker 1: was working with the audiologist. After about two weeks after
Speaker 1: her surgery, you meet with the audiologist who programs and
Speaker 1: activate and turns on the implant for the first time.
Speaker 1: And this little girl, who had never heard sound before,
Speaker 1: had never experienced sound. The audiologists got everything all programmed,
Speaker 1: and then this little girl's mom was standing behind her
Speaker 1: and the audiologist goes, Okay, everybody, be really quiet. I'm
Speaker 1: going to turn it on. Mam. I want you to
Speaker 1: say her name. And even though the kid had no
Speaker 1: meaning associated with that sound, as a mother, now I
Speaker 1: think about that and like, it still gives me chills
Speaker 1: because mom says the kid's name in the kid's head
Speaker 1: just like whips around and a mom of course it's like,
Speaker 1: oh my baby, but I can I mean, can you imagine?
Speaker 1: And so then that that just triggered it, and as
Speaker 1: in my anatomy and physiology classes like I'm still I
Speaker 1: will nerd out about the neuroscience of how we hear
Speaker 1: and how you hear with your brain. And this part
Speaker 1: on the that hangs off the edge of your your
Speaker 1: head is just the transducer. You gotta have it sent
Speaker 1: to the brain in a content, in a in a
Speaker 1: signal that has good integrity, and then your brain has
Speaker 1: to process it or else it's useless. As a UM,
Speaker 1: as a teaser for us to come, I'm gonna lay
Speaker 1: out are just for our just to protect our ip. Grace,
Speaker 1: Grace is going to develop um. We we're just doing
Speaker 1: a hearing test, and Grace is going to develop a
Speaker 1: thing called I try to think what we should call
Speaker 1: it to work. This is the working name, the gobble Tronka.
Speaker 1: I don't know, think you're stealing that from Parker? Oh no,
Speaker 1: I stole that. Inn't that either way. She's going to
Speaker 1: develop a hearing test thing where you have five six
Speaker 1: people are all able to put on headphones. And then
Speaker 1: she's gonna instead of doing the normal hearing tests like
Speaker 1: she's gonna put in like affiliated, you'll hear affiliated woodpecker,
Speaker 1: you'll hear a creek. You hear a bunch of peepers,
Speaker 1: you're here a green frog ripping. Okay, and then ever
Speaker 1: so faintly right, and it'll you'd be able to measure
Speaker 1: and test who's best at hearing gobbles and make it
Speaker 1: into like a game show, and make it into a
Speaker 1: game show. What do you win? That's a good question.
Speaker 1: Maybe some of those uh maybe a jar of Chester's
Speaker 1: forest floor foods, pickled baby corns. There you go. Or
Speaker 1: maybe maybe the winner gets to go hunting with you
Speaker 1: to help you hear the birds. Oh yeah, that'd be
Speaker 1: a great way for me to find good assets. My
Speaker 1: kid was we'll move on real quick. But my kid
Speaker 1: was getting good, like he can hear gobbles like a
Speaker 1: son of a bit James, Yeah him, after your book,
Speaker 1: they can all hear gobbles. He but he got drunk
Speaker 1: on the um accolade, got drunk on the what am
Speaker 1: I trying to what the woman trying to say, got
Speaker 1: drunk on the praise. So now he's off in the
Speaker 1: other direction of everything's a gobble because he likes to
Speaker 1: be the guy that her the gobble. So now he's
Speaker 1: a little trigger happy. So in our training test, when
Speaker 1: you clearly a piliated woodpecker. There's one. There's one, right,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, man, now you're like like everybody else. Now.
Speaker 1: So now when we're doing our auditory training for the
Speaker 1: gobbler and noise test or whatever we're gonna call it.
Speaker 1: If if he's in the room and when you press
Speaker 1: the button and there wasn't really a gobbler there, you
Speaker 1: get like a shock. Oh that's a great idea, like
Speaker 1: a negative reinforcement. You put on a shock bracelet too.
Speaker 1: So if you say you heard one and you didn't
Speaker 1: really hear one, man, put that in your next kids.
Speaker 1: But you could train some great kids with all this
Speaker 1: kind of equipment. Man might have a negative impact though,
Speaker 1: because if you really think you shock him one, No,
Speaker 1: you shock him if you play a real one and
Speaker 1: he doesn't tag it, he gets shocked. He gets shocked
Speaker 1: for false alarms. Oh you have a great turkey owner.
Speaker 1: It sounds like dog training. Yeah, I mean. And then
Speaker 1: when he gets older, you get him some therapy and
Speaker 1: he goes about his business. And yeah, Crane not here,
Speaker 1: but she has a note that we should talk about
Speaker 1: the flooding. No, she asked a question and I answered, yes,
Speaker 1: it is right now. But won't be when you're listening
Speaker 1: to this flooding. M h. It's the cfs on the
Speaker 1: yellow string right now is the highest it's ever been recorded,
Speaker 1: and last year was last year was one of the
Speaker 1: lowest years on record. Yeah, it's crazy. I think last
Speaker 1: year the Upper Missouri flows was like the low. Remember
Speaker 1: we were driving over it and we were looking up
Speaker 1: the flows last year because it lives like zero. The
Speaker 1: fishing went from like spring run off to like no
Speaker 1: water to no water and rocks not everywhere if you're
Speaker 1: if you're in Gardener, Montana right now, there's currently not
Speaker 1: a road that you can leave the town. Speaking of
Speaker 1: that might but the water started to drip like you
Speaker 1: either have to fly out of there in a helicopter
Speaker 1: or walk. You cannot drive a car toast my aunt
Speaker 1: coming down right, I think it fell. Yeah, So I'm
Speaker 1: looking at it right now on the U s GS site.
Speaker 1: UM in nine six it was the max um probably
Speaker 1: one cubic feet per second, and as of yesterday, I'm
Speaker 1: just looking at Livingston, So it was a little higher
Speaker 1: upstream at corwin Um, which doesn't really make any sense,
Speaker 1: but in Livingston right now it's um a scoche it's
Speaker 1: like right around thirty thousand cubic feet per second, and
Speaker 1: yesterday in Livingston it got up to forty cubic feet
Speaker 1: per second, which is just hard for people to understand,
Speaker 1: but I can explain it. Don't understand, it's unreal. Here's
Speaker 1: what it Here's what it is. I figured this out
Speaker 1: when I was working on a book one time. Just
Speaker 1: how to express it. What is it again? Cfs? Right
Speaker 1: now it's close to thirty thousand. Yesterday when it peaked
Speaker 1: it was around forty. Okay, that would be that in
Speaker 1: this amount of time between a me going this and
Speaker 1: this or this in this, thirty thousand soccer balls rolled past.
Speaker 1: That is crazy, thirty thousand soccer balls in there. It's
Speaker 1: like water is obviously heavier than a soccer ball, so
Speaker 1: it'd be like a soccer ball filled with rolling path.
Speaker 1: But it's down, okay, So I just keep in mind
Speaker 1: that at this point like this won't come out and
Speaker 1: this will be over. But keep that in mind when
Speaker 1: when you like, if we got our field like it,
Speaker 1: but our interest dial, right, the collective audience interest dial
Speaker 1: is just plummeting um because the flood is over. What
Speaker 1: was the highest I have a vested interest here because
Speaker 1: I'm very worried about our little property being accessible. What
Speaker 1: was the highest this year in Crested at what living
Speaker 1: in Livingston and Crests had around? Um is yesterday evening,
Speaker 1: so probably right before it started to cool off at night. Um,
Speaker 1: it was the highest, and it was due to all
Speaker 1: this water on the Yellowstone is due to we had
Speaker 1: a very cold spring late spring and a lot of
Speaker 1: snowpack late so it snowed a lot this spring, but
Speaker 1: raining like the Yeah. So it's like a combination of
Speaker 1: that cold spring and then all of a sudden warm
Speaker 1: weather and rain and run off from the rain and
Speaker 1: snow pack all hit at one big chibaang and it's
Speaker 1: not good for red lodge in some certain areas Yellowstone
Speaker 1: this summer we very impact acted with tourism. Um. The
Speaker 1: fishing on the yellow Stone could be really interesting because
Speaker 1: these boat ramps and an uh I always say. My
Speaker 1: father liked to say, don't curse the darkness. Light a candle.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna point out, Um, this is my note here,
Speaker 1: and you point out yeah, on his note, did you
Speaker 1: know how Spencer likes to go rock hounding? Yeah, and
Speaker 1: how I like to find crazy bones are rolling out
Speaker 1: of the river banks. Tell you what, Sonny Boy's gonna
Speaker 1: be some new ship showing up the water drops and
Speaker 1: I'll probably find some of my stuff. I'll probably find
Speaker 1: some of my stuff from up and that I left
Speaker 1: up on my little property somewhere down river, Spencer. Here's
Speaker 1: my shovel. Yeah. And currently these reservoirs that are you know,
Speaker 1: twenty plus feet right now are starting to fill up,
Speaker 1: which is good. Yeah, you gotta look. And there's some
Speaker 1: positives for sure, but also some big negatives. And they
Speaker 1: had to evacuate the hospital. And let me say, yesterday
Speaker 1: like half of red Lodgers underwater. You know, it's people
Speaker 1: are getting hurt. So yeah, that I didn't really evacuated
Speaker 1: the hospital. Yeah, we were getting stopped going up Trail
Speaker 1: Creek by the sheriff. Um they had it close to
Speaker 1: any non essential, like if you didn't live on Trail Creek,
Speaker 1: you couldn't go through. Started trying to just keep the
Speaker 1: traffic down in case they had to evacuate through Trail
Speaker 1: Creek because it's the only other way out if shuts down.
Speaker 1: You know, yea, hopefully folks are okay, Well, I have
Speaker 1: I haven't heard of it. I haven't casual. Uh speaking
Speaker 1: of water, that was a good transition. You guys are
Speaker 1: kicking asid the Wallet tournament. Guess like genuine pro walleye anglers.
Speaker 1: How much money did you win this time? I forget
Speaker 1: what the total was this time, but we're our total
Speaker 1: up right now is a seez Louise. You don't even
Speaker 1: need to work anymore? Well, we can't. We're not. We're
Speaker 1: not keeping these winnings. We're done. Yeah, but you're donating
Speaker 1: all you're winning. You guys are like legit because on
Speaker 1: the show, just to give people a little background here, uh,
Speaker 1: South and Chester are aspiring amateur were aspiring amateur walleye
Speaker 1: tournament anglers fair and they decided to start out their
Speaker 1: tournament career by participating in the Montana leg of the
Speaker 1: Wallet Tour. So Montana has four summer attorneys and they
Speaker 1: roll into one mega Turney. How do you guys put that? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's the Montana circuit. Montana has more than just four
Speaker 1: tournaments throughout the year. But there's like a four pick
Speaker 1: circuit where all Ford I think it's four tournaments or
Speaker 1: something like that, or on just Fort Peck there's the
Speaker 1: Montana circuit, which is Fresno canea Ferry, four Peck and
Speaker 1: tiber Um. So you guys are enrolled in the Montana circuit,
Speaker 1: but not any particular reservoir circuit. Correct, Yeah, we're in
Speaker 1: the Montana circuit. We fished, Uh it's the Crooked Creek
Speaker 1: tournament that was at Fort Peck this year because the
Speaker 1: water is too low to fish out of. And on
Speaker 1: that one, well, I want, I want to get more background.
Speaker 1: I was back where you were aspiring. Yeah, they were
Speaker 1: aspiring Walleye turn tournament fisherman. The problems I didn't have
Speaker 1: a boat, Yep. We um, can I take some can?
Speaker 1: I can not me? But can the show take some credit? Yeah?
Speaker 1: We lobbied quite heavily that to get you guys backing
Speaker 1: in a boat, and Ilumacraft hooked us up with awesome
Speaker 1: competitor sixteen or eighteen and a half footer um with
Speaker 1: one fifty mercury on the back. So they got a
Speaker 1: sponsorship pack, they got backed backing from a Lumacraft, back
Speaker 1: from Hummingbird Mindkota, got their boat fitted out. YEP went
Speaker 1: to their first tournament at fot Pack and finished Day
Speaker 1: one in eight, number eight, number eight, day one out
Speaker 1: of how many boats seventy three something like that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: just a little bit over seventy and then finished the
Speaker 1: tournament overall at seventeen. You were hoping to come in.
Speaker 1: I think you were hoping. You were saying, it would
Speaker 1: be great if we could land in the top twenty.
Speaker 1: Did the second turney at Fresno finished day one at
Speaker 1: can I start with back up a little bit? And
Speaker 1: are you gonna go all the way back to when
Speaker 1: it wasn't there? No know, just when we just uh
Speaker 1: just set and eyes thinking how this tournament really? Man? Yeah,
Speaker 1: And anyways, I won't come backrupt as far as you want.
Speaker 1: So you guys are all decked out, your pet yet
Speaker 1: a little uniforms. We just have the same clothes all
Speaker 1: the time. And anyways, I like the people that work
Speaker 1: here that you could tell dress off the free table,
Speaker 1: which includes me. I mean, yeah, everybody know wears free clothes.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's great. Did you guys buy those shirts? Yeah,
Speaker 1: we bought them. They're nice. The new guy at Chili,
Speaker 1: he said that hasn't been here that long, dude, like
Speaker 1: totally decked out from the free table. I love it,
Speaker 1: like full lifetimes supply t shirts. Um, so we had
Speaker 1: an amazing tournament. I'm going to start with that, and uh,
Speaker 1: we were just everything aligned. But backing up to this
Speaker 1: Fresnel tournament, looking at waits prior, as far as the
Speaker 1: the total weight of fish people are catching for this
Speaker 1: tournament was around twenty pounds, would be right up there
Speaker 1: in the top five. And that is But explain it
Speaker 1: to me, because that's like, because you're you're bound by
Speaker 1: the bag limit, right right, So every day in these
Speaker 1: tournaments you can weigh in on your way card five fish.
Speaker 1: So two anglers. This is what confused me early on
Speaker 1: that I didn't realize two anglers are only fishing for
Speaker 1: one like state limit right five fishs between SETH and I,
Speaker 1: we can only weigh in five fish. Why is it not?
Speaker 1: Why is it that? Because they don't give a shit
Speaker 1: about the bag lim It's just like it's a five
Speaker 1: fish tournament. Has nothing to do with like the legal
Speaker 1: bag limits set by the stage kind of standard for tournaments, Okay,
Speaker 1: so that they don't like if you were allowed twenty
Speaker 1: wall eyes on some lake, it'd be five for the
Speaker 1: tournament boat. And there's two days so you can at
Speaker 1: the end of those two days, there's ten fish and
Speaker 1: usually the top five in this tournament that we just
Speaker 1: got done with, we'll win it with twenty around twenty pounds.
Speaker 1: So they're submitting ten, they're they're submitting fish at a
Speaker 1: two pound average. Yep. Roughly, It's like that strikes me
Speaker 1: as not impressive. Yeah, well it's it's not a it's
Speaker 1: not a lake where there is a ton of big
Speaker 1: fi like the Fort Peck tournament. Uh. I think last well,
Speaker 1: I forge out what this year was nineties six pounds
Speaker 1: for the over What was the overall for at four Peck?
Speaker 1: Not nine six? Was it? It was a lot. I
Speaker 1: thought it was nineties pounds. Some dude came in with
Speaker 1: ten nine plus pounders. Yeah, um, I thought it was
Speaker 1: eighty pounds somewhere on the last year was nine pounds
Speaker 1: one it four at Packer. Yeah, this this year was
Speaker 1: I don't remember what this year was. I thought it
Speaker 1: was up there in the nineties too, anyhow, ter um. So, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we we were going into this tournament up at Fresno
Speaker 1: being like, if we can get double digits each day,
Speaker 1: we're gonna be real happy. But the problem with this
Speaker 1: year is the water is so low up there, they're
Speaker 1: they're still in a droughte and it's not a very
Speaker 1: big lake. So we were going up there expecting there
Speaker 1: to be over fifty boats in a small body of water,
Speaker 1: and it was gonna be bumper boats. So it was
Speaker 1: gonna be meaning there's gonna be boats close to you
Speaker 1: the whole tournament, and historically first day people catch fish.
Speaker 1: Second day of the tournament it gets a little ufer
Speaker 1: because fish are a little burnout from people practicing before
Speaker 1: the derby, and then that first tournament day they really
Speaker 1: hammer them. So wanted this year, which is at Fort Pack.
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here and I'm getting confused with seventy four pounds. Okay,
Speaker 1: so I'm talking about Fresno here. So we're going up
Speaker 1: there thinking it's gonna be bumper boats. We're thinking we
Speaker 1: got to catch just in the double digits and we're
Speaker 1: gonna be happy. We show up and we pre fish
Speaker 1: or practice for two days, and we realized that there's
Speaker 1: a lot of fish in the lake. We found some
Speaker 1: spots um. We didn't really catch any big ones, but
Speaker 1: what we did find was a unique bite, meaning we
Speaker 1: headed north farther than anybody and we were fishing in
Speaker 1: the mud, meaning you drop your leach down and it
Speaker 1: disappears after about two inches. So there's about two inches
Speaker 1: of visibility in this little spot that we found, and
Speaker 1: which is great. We were catching some fish in there
Speaker 1: and there's no one around us. And now I can
Speaker 1: hand it on many how many boats? Uh, there's fifty
Speaker 1: six boats come tournament day. Now, I'll hand it off
Speaker 1: to Seth and he can over to you Seth. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So tournament day, are we draw number thirteen and they started. Um,
Speaker 1: They like randomly pick a numbers, so you get assigned
Speaker 1: a boat number, um, and it's like one through whatever.
Speaker 1: However many boats are so one through fifty six we
Speaker 1: happen to draw, and then out of those numbers, they
Speaker 1: randomly draw a number to start. So it's not a
Speaker 1: shotgun start, no, everyone, it's like a single file line start. Um.
Speaker 1: So boat number fourteen got drawn to start first, so
Speaker 1: it goes fourteen, fifteen, seventeen, you got so we got
Speaker 1: our first day. We were the last boat out. And
Speaker 1: you don't get to stay longer than uh, no, you
Speaker 1: do on this one half an hour long, half an
Speaker 1: hour longer. Yeah, half half the field checked in at
Speaker 1: four on the first day and the other half checked
Speaker 1: in at four thirty. Um, when you're waiting that line,
Speaker 1: when you're at the end of a fifty six boat
Speaker 1: line up, how long does it take for everybody to like, like,
Speaker 1: from if it's a seven am start, when are you
Speaker 1: actually throttling up? Maybe fifteen minutes? Yeah? If that okayta um.
Speaker 1: So yeah, we're last boat to go out. And we
Speaker 1: were like, well, all of it's you know, small, small lake.
Speaker 1: All of our spots that were like mid Lake in
Speaker 1: the in the clear water. We were like, there's definitely
Speaker 1: gonna be boats on them, um. And there was this
Speaker 1: sweet point right next to the boat ramp right there
Speaker 1: that was throwing the mud line when the wind would
Speaker 1: pick up. And mud lines and while life fishing are
Speaker 1: like like when you see mud um that it's like
Speaker 1: a good place to start fishing because those fish they
Speaker 1: utilize that mud line to like you know, hunting whatnot.
Speaker 1: But you obviously just see it. Yeah, you can see
Speaker 1: it with your with your you know, with your eye,
Speaker 1: you can see it in the water. And uh so
Speaker 1: everyone takes off, all the boats start heading up um
Speaker 1: like mid Lake, and we just kind of go up,
Speaker 1: loop around and go right to the boat ramp, and
Speaker 1: we were there was people there was like kids right
Speaker 1: at the boat ramp the day before, like catching nice
Speaker 1: walleye off the off the dock. Basically, yeah, so we're like, well,
Speaker 1: we're just gonna hit that since all of our spots
Speaker 1: up like further north, we're gonna be taken. Um, what's
Speaker 1: the etiquette on that with spots being taken? Like how
Speaker 1: on a tournament like that, if it's you know, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be bumper both everybody's expecting bumper boats. How close
Speaker 1: can you get in until the dude's going to give
Speaker 1: you the scarecrow? Basically casting distance? I would say, people
Speaker 1: get pretty close, but it's bad. That's good, that's that's
Speaker 1: I hadn't thought about it that way, but yeah, like that,
Speaker 1: you're you can't block someone's ability to work the water
Speaker 1: around him as how you guys go by. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: it's kind of like dependent on the lake, depending on
Speaker 1: the lake. It's kind of like ah, I would say,
Speaker 1: it's like an unspoken type role. But it's just like
Speaker 1: something like like Fresno was pretty like boats for close.
Speaker 1: Now let me ask you another ethics question. You were
Speaker 1: talking about kids fishing the dock. Um. You know you
Speaker 1: can't crowd bank fisherman, right, would you keep that in mind,
Speaker 1: even though you're in a big money tournament bank fisherman
Speaker 1: just like they're in a boat. You know it? Um?
Speaker 1: But anyway, we we UM. As soon as we passed
Speaker 1: the start boat, we loop around and just head right
Speaker 1: back to the ramp and fish that for a little bit.
Speaker 1: And there wasn't at that time of the day. The
Speaker 1: wind wasn't picked up, and there wasn't a mudline right there.
Speaker 1: We fished to check caut one fish that barely measured
Speaker 1: it was like point eight pounds. Um caught that fish?
Speaker 1: Ran do a different spot? Um, did we I think
Speaker 1: we might have caught a fish there? I remember? Anyway,
Speaker 1: it wasn't good. So finally we're like, you know what,
Speaker 1: let's just head up north to that muddy spot and
Speaker 1: try that out. We could see on side imaging there
Speaker 1: was a bunch of fish there. As soon as you
Speaker 1: dropped the megalive, there was fish all over the place.
Speaker 1: It was just yeah, you can see bait. Um. It
Speaker 1: was just tough because you had to get that leech.
Speaker 1: We're fishing, drop shot and leech and slip bobber and leech.
Speaker 1: You just had to get that bait within two inches
Speaker 1: of that walleyes face for the walleye to see the
Speaker 1: bait and eat it. Um, which was tough, and the
Speaker 1: only way you could do that basically was with using
Speaker 1: megalive or live imaging. Um, because you can when you're
Speaker 1: using live imaging, you can see the fish. You can
Speaker 1: see your bait go down to the fish. And like
Speaker 1: if I make a cast to a fish and don't
Speaker 1: see my bait go right down and like literally inches
Speaker 1: from that fish, I would reel in and cast again,
Speaker 1: because there's no point in letting it sit out there,
Speaker 1: and you're not spooking the ship out of it doing that.
Speaker 1: In that mud, they're not that spooky. So um, we
Speaker 1: decided to head up north to that muddy spot and
Speaker 1: we just start fishing. We can see fish and seth
Speaker 1: starts and I just kind of got it. Came on fire.
Speaker 1: I just got it a little dialed where like, like
Speaker 1: I just said, I would cast these fish and if
Speaker 1: I didn't see my bait land right in front of him,
Speaker 1: I would just reel and cast again. And I just
Speaker 1: kind of got this technique dialed in and yeah, I
Speaker 1: just started hammering on fish UM and we we got
Speaker 1: our five fish pretty early and then spent the rest
Speaker 1: of the day calling UM. And I want to go
Speaker 1: back to one thing with that in the mud, putting
Speaker 1: that bait two inches from the fish's face, Like it
Speaker 1: takes a tremendous amount of focus to be able to
Speaker 1: do that all day long. And one of the things
Speaker 1: that I think helped us is we got two guys
Speaker 1: in the boat making those perfect casts, and if it's
Speaker 1: not perfect, we're reeling in and we're staying on it
Speaker 1: all day, cast after cast after cast. So being able
Speaker 1: to have set doing that and myself doing that like
Speaker 1: it's hard to do. It was hard to do and
Speaker 1: stay focused. But that's one of the things that helped us.
Speaker 1: The way we're kind of doing it was like like
Speaker 1: the first day I was on the megal ive, and
Speaker 1: that that megalives mounted to a pole that's hanging over
Speaker 1: the side of our boat, and it comes up to
Speaker 1: like an arm that's at a ninety degree angle from
Speaker 1: the pole, and like wherever that arm is pointed, that's
Speaker 1: where the transducers pointing UM. So like I would it
Speaker 1: was basically like flipping docks for bass fishing, just like
Speaker 1: underhand cast um to these fish, and then Chester would
Speaker 1: like basically mimic. He would like try to land his
Speaker 1: bait right where I landed mine because he knew I
Speaker 1: was casting to like a fish right there, and we
Speaker 1: would communicate like, oh that was too far, Like if
Speaker 1: I saw the bait go over the fish, I'd be like,
Speaker 1: oh too far really and try like try it again, um,
Speaker 1: and you can't. If you too far, you can't just
Speaker 1: drag it in front of his face. You can, And
Speaker 1: we did that, but we found that you were more
Speaker 1: successful if you just immediately landed that bait right on
Speaker 1: the fish because those fish are moving a little yeah. Um.
Speaker 1: So we did that the first day. And the nice
Speaker 1: thing was there was not a single boat anywhere close
Speaker 1: to us because I think those guys, like the guys
Speaker 1: that don't have that live imaging, and they would have
Speaker 1: never been able to fish those to those fish like
Speaker 1: we were and catch them. They would have just been
Speaker 1: like kind of blind casting two areas where they knew
Speaker 1: they were fish, and you just had to get it
Speaker 1: so close to him that if you didn't have that
Speaker 1: live imaging and you couldn't really fish to him successfully.
Speaker 1: Like JT. Van's aunt puts it, you gotta put a
Speaker 1: mustache on him, you do. Yeah, I had to put
Speaker 1: a mustache on the So um we were we were
Speaker 1: at the end of day one. We went into Wayns
Speaker 1: with ten point oh six pounds in our minds and
Speaker 1: our minds were like, ship, we hit double digits. We're
Speaker 1: gonna be sitting real good for for day two. Go
Speaker 1: to Wayns, find out that we're sitting in seventeenth place,
Speaker 1: and we start seeing weights come in and it's like
Speaker 1: some fourteen pounds, sixteen pounds. One guy caught twenty pounds
Speaker 1: the first day. Yeah, so we're like ship, you know,
Speaker 1: like we have some like we gotta make up some
Speaker 1: some spots tomorrow. Um. But we're pretty excited because everyone
Speaker 1: was saying that with Fresno being so packed with boats
Speaker 1: on day one, those fish get pretty sore lipped, and
Speaker 1: there it's a tougher bite the next day, and we're
Speaker 1: thinking in our minds there wasn't a single boat around us.
Speaker 1: There was all these fish around us that never even
Speaker 1: saw a hook that day, So our fish up north
Speaker 1: weren't going to be sore lipped. Like, Day two's time
Speaker 1: for us to make up some ground and get get
Speaker 1: a little bit ahead of these guys that are gonna
Speaker 1: be fishing two more finicky fish. Um. So day two,
Speaker 1: first boat were the first boat to go out, UM
Speaker 1: seven o'clock hits. We haul ass up to our spot. Again,
Speaker 1: not a single boat there. I think throughout the day
Speaker 1: there was a couple dudes that would like troll past
Speaker 1: us with planer boards, but other than that there was
Speaker 1: no one. But you have the water was that you
Speaker 1: were fishing up there in the mud anywhere from like
Speaker 1: four to eight ft and the wind played. The wind
Speaker 1: was huge because it would pick up, the wind would
Speaker 1: pick up, the bite would pick up, the wind would
Speaker 1: lay down, the bite would lay down, so like it
Speaker 1: got pretty hot and heavy when the wind would and
Speaker 1: then like the wind would lay down. It would be
Speaker 1: like several hours where we would like maybe not catch fish.
Speaker 1: And it was also a morning bite, so we knew
Speaker 1: we had a better morning bite for bigger fish. We
Speaker 1: knew we had to show go up and take full
Speaker 1: advantage of that morning. So we show up on a
Speaker 1: second day and have our five fish limit by eight
Speaker 1: o'clock within it within an hour, and decent, decent fish too,
Speaker 1: and we just start from there. We just start catching fish.
Speaker 1: Did you talk about being catch capture release, so that
Speaker 1: this tournament is all these tournaments are catch, capture and release,
Speaker 1: which means you catch the fish you laid on a
Speaker 1: bump board, take a picture of it, and then release
Speaker 1: that fish, so you're not hauling them back for the
Speaker 1: big wigh in no ship. No. And when you turn
Speaker 1: your card in your SD card, you have to have
Speaker 1: only five fish on there, but throughout the day we
Speaker 1: might catch thirty fish. So you have to like constantly
Speaker 1: keep going through and deleting those fish, which is the
Speaker 1: most stressful thing I've ever done in my life, because
Speaker 1: if you buy, actually delete one of your big fish,
Speaker 1: you're screwed. It's like you slipped out of your hand.
Speaker 1: You've got to be making a copy or something. No,
Speaker 1: it's just snap a picture and they don't accept it
Speaker 1: like that. Do they give you the camera, No, we
Speaker 1: we it's our camera. They issue you an SD card
Speaker 1: though no r S D card too. Well they I'm
Speaker 1: assuming they've got all kinds of way to give you.
Speaker 1: They give you a bumpboard and you don't know what
Speaker 1: number you're gonna get the bump board has a number
Speaker 1: on it. Let's say it's number ten, so it's next
Speaker 1: day you might get number fifteen. Bard yea um, but yeah,
Speaker 1: we start calling. At one point I throw out a
Speaker 1: slip bob rig and the slip bob we just had
Speaker 1: to slip bobbers out there just because fish would just
Speaker 1: happen to run into them. You know. We weren't like
Speaker 1: specifically cast these slip bobbers to like certain fish. It
Speaker 1: was just like a bonus that thing, and we were
Speaker 1: catching a few fish on them. Real quick explanation of
Speaker 1: a slip bobber rig. A slip bobber rig is, so
Speaker 1: I'll start from the hook. You have a hook that
Speaker 1: goes up to a swivel right above that swivel as
Speaker 1: a weight too to drop the line down fast. And
Speaker 1: we're using bear hooks. We we found out that we're
Speaker 1: running the slip bobberie with a little light jig jake
Speaker 1: head and a in a leech. We found out that
Speaker 1: those fish would not eat it unless it was a
Speaker 1: bear hook. Um. They like when that leach free floats man,
Speaker 1: And those leeches were real lively, like look like little
Speaker 1: snakes in the water. So hook go. There's like a
Speaker 1: depends on what you want to run. I'll say a
Speaker 1: twelve inch leader up to a swivel above the swivel's weight,
Speaker 1: and then above that weight is a bomber that your
Speaker 1: line runs through, like your line runs from the top
Speaker 1: to the bottom of the bobber, and that bobber can
Speaker 1: slide on your lines. An inline bobber, Yeah, an inline
Speaker 1: bober that can slide freely on your line. Above the
Speaker 1: bomber is a little bead, and then above that is
Speaker 1: a bomber. Stop. This is not a nylon not, it's
Speaker 1: a nilon and you can just the depth of that
Speaker 1: and that that not will reel up into your reel. Yep,
Speaker 1: you can really can have a boer at twenty ft.
Speaker 1: But that means that that doesn't leave you trying to
Speaker 1: cast hanging off the endia exactly. Um, real fun way
Speaker 1: to fish. It's only found out about slip bobbers at
Speaker 1: like the ripe age of like forty one or something
Speaker 1: in boy game changer doesn't play into the fly fish
Speaker 1: and seen slip bober that sounds like a South Dakota bite.
Speaker 1: I mean that's textbook like glacial lakes four to eight
Speaker 1: foot of water, slip bober and leeches that brings back
Speaker 1: some um. But yeah, at one point in time, I
Speaker 1: throw out a slip bobber and I set that down
Speaker 1: on the on the edge of the boat, and I
Speaker 1: pick up, uh my dropshot Reagan. I'm putting a leach
Speaker 1: on it, and I start to hear the rods sliding
Speaker 1: against the gun of the boat, and I look over
Speaker 1: to see that rod just going over the boat into
Speaker 1: the water and it's gone like to the bottom fish
Speaker 1: pull it in. And you didn't have the drag set
Speaker 1: light enough that it could just pull it. No, I
Speaker 1: didn't have like this. I didn't have the bail open
Speaker 1: or anything where. It's just it's just that we're like
Speaker 1: rarely catching fish on slip bobber's, so I just like,
Speaker 1: you know, through it out there, and every once a
Speaker 1: while we look over just to make sure the bobber
Speaker 1: wasn't down or whatever. Um. So I'm like trying to
Speaker 1: like take the rod that I have in my hand
Speaker 1: and like hook it, just you know, try to doing
Speaker 1: whatever I can to like try to get this rod
Speaker 1: before it hits the bottom. And I didn't see it happened.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, what the heck is going on? I
Speaker 1: didn't see it happened. Everyone didn't see it happened. So
Speaker 1: they're like, what in the hell is this guy doing,
Speaker 1: like sticking his odd down in the water trying to Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I tell them what happened, and we're like going
Speaker 1: over the whole scenario. And I look over in that
Speaker 1: away fifteen yards away, that slip bober pops up to
Speaker 1: the surface and it's moving. So we like get get
Speaker 1: rods reeled in. It's a ship show and all of
Speaker 1: this is on camera for you guys to watch. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we gotta what do you what are you guys gonna
Speaker 1: call your Walleye show Musky and the mustache. Somebody thought,
Speaker 1: well that's good. Yeah, anyway, we can start thinking on that.
Speaker 1: We think about that. Um, we get rods reeled in,
Speaker 1: we get on the trolling motor and start hustling over
Speaker 1: to that where the bober is, and then by the
Speaker 1: time we get over there, that goes back down. So
Speaker 1: I'm like marking way points on the last on a
Speaker 1: on the humming Bird where like the last spot we
Speaker 1: saw the bober go down again and all over with
Speaker 1: my eyes just looking. Shortly after, it pops back up
Speaker 1: like another fifteen yards away, and I take the rods
Speaker 1: I of my hand. I'm like casting over, trying to
Speaker 1: like snag the line and whatnot. We're trying to get
Speaker 1: over to it. Sure enough, we get close to it,
Speaker 1: it goes back down again. Finally it pops up um
Speaker 1: and we get over to it, and Chet's able to
Speaker 1: get the bomber with the net, and I reached down
Speaker 1: grab a hold of the bobber and I could feel
Speaker 1: a fish on the end of the line, and I
Speaker 1: start hand lining in this fish and ends up being
Speaker 1: uh twenty and a half inch walleye, which is our
Speaker 1: big tournament rules by hand lining it. No, I mean
Speaker 1: we caught the fish, yeah, with the rod and reel.
Speaker 1: It just wasn't was that the biggest fish of the
Speaker 1: tournament at the at that point in time, it was
Speaker 1: our biggest fish. So Chett, that's it. We get it in.
Speaker 1: I pulled the rest of the rod up off the bottom,
Speaker 1: and he had been dragging that rod around on the bottom,
Speaker 1: so it's just like cake full of mud and stuff.
Speaker 1: Were you there when I U harpoon that hal But
Speaker 1: and it's still my harpoon booy oh yeah, never to
Speaker 1: be seen any Yeah. Um, so we get that fish
Speaker 1: and it was crazy, like the way we had cameras
Speaker 1: set up on the boat. Um, like that rod slipped
Speaker 1: right past a go pro that was rolling, so it's
Speaker 1: gonna be like the best footage. Yeah, it was crazy. Um,
Speaker 1: do you mind if I tell Yeah, so I'll tee
Speaker 1: it up just a little bit. We um that that
Speaker 1: bite slows down because of the wind dies, it gets
Speaker 1: pretty flat. Calm, I say, chat, let's run across the
Speaker 1: reservoir here and still in the mud. Let's run across
Speaker 1: where we had fished a little bit the day before
Speaker 1: and caught some fish. I was like, let's just go
Speaker 1: over there and try it, because right like at that point,
Speaker 1: we weren't catching fish where we were. So so we
Speaker 1: roll over there and this spot is a little different.
Speaker 1: There's a few more weeds, they're still bait moving around,
Speaker 1: we're still seeing fish. So it's perfect, actually more so
Speaker 1: than the day before. We start fishing, and we immediately
Speaker 1: start calling some more fish, meaning replacing smaller ones on
Speaker 1: our card with bigger ones, and we're happy. We're probably
Speaker 1: sitting a little over eleven pounds and it was our
Speaker 1: goal to just be consistent in keeping those double digits.
Speaker 1: And we knew we probably weren't gonna place top ten,
Speaker 1: but we would probably upgrade from seventeen. We're happy with
Speaker 1: how we executed it at this point, so we keep
Speaker 1: fishing and Seth, I just want to say something. Seth
Speaker 1: was on it. He was catching fish to the point
Speaker 1: where sometimes I'm like, I don't quite have it figured
Speaker 1: out like Seth does, so I'm just letting him do
Speaker 1: his thing. This is a team you know, it doesn't
Speaker 1: matter who's catching the field. You're not being like, hey, Seth,
Speaker 1: can you make me a sandwich? Right? Can you help me?
Speaker 1: This is like a very much a team effort. And
Speaker 1: it was actually really cool. Um. And I was catching fish,
Speaker 1: but he had it dialed. Um, So you know, I'm happy.
Speaker 1: I also want to contribute to like this as well. Right, Um,
Speaker 1: So we roll over there, we start calling those fish,
Speaker 1: and we had to be back by three pm. You
Speaker 1: want to stay his partner for next year too, right,
Speaker 1: because like, we have five tournaments like this in a
Speaker 1: row next year, so it's gonna be like well, and
Speaker 1: then thought about that Seth might Seth might he might
Speaker 1: become friends and find like a new partner. No. I
Speaker 1: caught some big ones on Fort Pack too. It'll be
Speaker 1: like a TV show when they replaced one of the
Speaker 1: actors in between seasons. It's like where's Chester this season? No,
Speaker 1: I mean communication is very key and like trying not
Speaker 1: to it's just like goes a long way in the boat.
Speaker 1: So anyways, Seth the two days, he's loading the basis
Speaker 1: in a baseball analogy, Seth is just loading the basis.
Speaker 1: Could give me a different kind of analogy. Uh, this
Speaker 1: this will work. That's because it's good because we got
Speaker 1: to talk about Yeah, we got par Pete. Yeah Pete.
Speaker 1: He bats in the middle of the lineup when the
Speaker 1: job the guys ahead of him at the top of
Speaker 1: the inning is just to get on the basis. So
Speaker 1: within Petche shows up, he drives them all in called
Speaker 1: bat and clean up. Seth is hitting singles. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: we got talked about baseball in a minute. So Seth
Speaker 1: loaded the bases and it was the bottom of the
Speaker 1: ninth inning. So the last inning of the game, we
Speaker 1: had to be in at three and we were happy
Speaker 1: with our weight and we said our last cast is
Speaker 1: going to be at two thirty five pm, and Seth
Speaker 1: was jokingly saying the camera, we are gonna just quick, okay,
Speaker 1: catch a bigger fish here to call out our seventeen incher.
Speaker 1: And this is at two thirty five pm, and then
Speaker 1: we're gonna head right in and race to the weigh ends.
Speaker 1: And I see a fish in the weeds on Mega Live,
Speaker 1: and I flip it out there, and not seconds after
Speaker 1: Seth said that, wham rod goes down and it happened
Speaker 1: to be the biggest fish that anyone caught out of
Speaker 1: any boat the whole tournament. And three quarter inches which
Speaker 1: is a big one, upgraded as five pounds and no ship. Yeah,
Speaker 1: put us up to like six over sixteen pounds for
Speaker 1: the day. Gave us another eight hundred and seventy five
Speaker 1: dollars towards our little fund going towards something. What did
Speaker 1: you finish do you? Because I know that goes by
Speaker 1: how you finished for the tournament, Like you finished seven
Speaker 1: for the tournament, which is fantastic, But what did you
Speaker 1: finished for the day or fifth? Fifth for the day.
Speaker 1: We ended up with sixty some pounds, And I kid
Speaker 1: you not, I was. I haven't been more excited about
Speaker 1: a fish. I was like, so, like, this is all
Speaker 1: on camera, Chris gill is filming this and he's trying
Speaker 1: to hold back his excitement behind the camera. He's his
Speaker 1: ridge pounder likes fishing. Yeah, he said it was one
Speaker 1: of the most fun things he's ever filmed. And those
Speaker 1: tournament walleyes hit different to man. They's like tournament day
Speaker 1: to day boys, you know how I like to do
Speaker 1: it on tournament days when you're just having fun, when
Speaker 1: you're just having fun fishing and catch a twenty inch
Speaker 1: while I like, that's a real nice walle I like,
Speaker 1: I love that wallet. You catch even a twenty inch
Speaker 1: when you're fishing a tournament and you are just shaking
Speaker 1: in your boots. I would I would see a fish
Speaker 1: on Megalalive and I would make a cast to it
Speaker 1: and my hand would be shaking because I was like waiting,
Speaker 1: like the anticipation. Yeah, you get exa austin from it
Speaker 1: to all day because just amped the whole time. What
Speaker 1: is a six inch wally weigh that was like six
Speaker 1: point something pounds? Um? You know the six might be
Speaker 1: closer to seven um. Time of years, A big deal
Speaker 1: on that, yeah, exactly. But they have on these bumpboards.
Speaker 1: They have a scale that is like relatively close after
Speaker 1: they spawn sot inch to fourteen inch fish is going
Speaker 1: to be around point eight pounds to a pound, right, Um,
Speaker 1: so that's how they measure these weights during these tournaments.
Speaker 1: But anyways, I was unbelievably happy. It was. It was incredible.
Speaker 1: I'm proud of you guys. Man, you guys are making everybody.
Speaker 1: You guys are making everybody proud. Yeah, you guys got
Speaker 1: seventeen right in the first tournament and now seven does
Speaker 1: everybody the competition has got to know, uh that there's
Speaker 1: an up and coming team. Yeah. People are people meaning
Speaker 1: you guys, because you guys are like newcomers and you
Speaker 1: and your filming and everything. No, everyone's great, and um,
Speaker 1: that tournament was run really smooth. Um, it is a lot.
Speaker 1: So I appreciate people letting us do this. It's a lot.
Speaker 1: I mean, we've got a chase boat, we got cameras around.
Speaker 1: Some people probably don't love it, you know, but I
Speaker 1: appreciate the Montana Walleye Circuit letting us do this because
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be something really cool at the
Speaker 1: end of it. When we get this four part series out,
Speaker 1: I'll say this about that though, man, is if walleye
Speaker 1: fishing has ever had like a negative about it from
Speaker 1: the tournament standpoint is it's never had the cool videos
Speaker 1: and publicity that the bass side has had. And while
Speaker 1: ie guys like the old PNW series and all those that,
Speaker 1: even the and W T, it's like that's the thing
Speaker 1: they've always missed, is the actual ability to watch and outs.
Speaker 1: You know, as a walleye guy myself, I like that
Speaker 1: well going into it. One of the primary concerns these
Speaker 1: two had is it they would get caught cheating, but
Speaker 1: they've been able to keep it under wrapped in the
Speaker 1: bear right. One real quick question. How many of those
Speaker 1: fifty six boats had all the technology that you guys
Speaker 1: have in the boat? Um it's hard to say any
Speaker 1: Probably a quarter of them had it all. Maybe more, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean being conservative for sure, probably fifty. Um the
Speaker 1: guys that wanted had they were running live imaging and
Speaker 1: they found a cool spot that had weeds and bait
Speaker 1: and the fish were in the weeds. And did they
Speaker 1: have longer hair than you did? Stuff? No? No, Um,
Speaker 1: they did not. Uh Sean you jacked up? Yeah, Well
Speaker 1: I used to fish while I tournament. I'm talking about
Speaker 1: being jacked up for Shawn's duck report. Oh yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: pumped about that. He's jacked for both remove ahead of Shawn's. Okay,
Speaker 1: I want I want to I want to go back
Speaker 1: again and say, you guys doing a great job. Man.
Speaker 1: When you came on, Like when you came on and
Speaker 1: said you wanted to land top twenty, I didn't have
Speaker 1: a reason to think you wouldn't. But uh, I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: it seems like a reasonable thing. But um, that you're
Speaker 1: executing on it hard work. I mean like, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: just like two guys really trying to break it down
Speaker 1: and understand why why are these fish doing this? How
Speaker 1: do we catch you? And going I'll say, I'll say
Speaker 1: quickly growing into Fresno. We had never fished it before,
Speaker 1: I had never even laid eyes on it. So we
Speaker 1: had completely spent two days breaking it down, figuring it out.
Speaker 1: And yeah, trust your electronics. That's all I can say,
Speaker 1: because that's what that's what helped us. Mhm, it's great. Man,
Speaker 1: got one more to go. Can't do the four? I
Speaker 1: just point out, can't do the fourth because that's getting
Speaker 1: married and won't Uh won't not go. Spencer new Hearth
Speaker 1: was putting a bug in my ear. He's like, can
Speaker 1: mean you go out? Okay? You guys fishing? You could?
Speaker 1: I could, but I don't know if that's you want
Speaker 1: to go to his wedding. Yeah, I gotta go to
Speaker 1: the guy's wedding after putting on a performance like that
Speaker 1: at Fresno. Heck, that's luck man. I can't wait to
Speaker 1: get on that sweet boat now that all the rivers
Speaker 1: are gonna be so messy for a while, and I
Speaker 1: have to go fishing with you guys on the on
Speaker 1: the boat. I cannot wait. All you guys, Let's go fishing,
Speaker 1: all right. Sean's Dark Report? Phil, do you ever make
Speaker 1: like an intro for Sean Dark Report? Got anything else
Speaker 1: to shay? I shant Have you been dating much? I've
Speaker 1: been on the rut app. On the app he takes
Speaker 1: pto to go on dates like the high stakes dates.
Speaker 1: That was the first time I've ever taken PTO in
Speaker 1: my life for a date. I don't understand. I don't either. Please.
Speaker 1: My first date with my wife is three days long
Speaker 1: because we were living and I was living in Alaska,
Speaker 1: she was New York. We met and went to Librea
Speaker 1: tar pits. So why don't you understand that was unusual?
Speaker 1: Why do you think a fellow would have was PTO
Speaker 1: to go on a date. Why would he have to
Speaker 1: take pt Well, I mean it is personal time, right,
Speaker 1: that's a good point by definition that think it's a
Speaker 1: personal time unless But but in in your line of work,
Speaker 1: you know, the just take can you like take her
Speaker 1: duck hunting and then call it it was fishing? Well,
Speaker 1: I mean I would think maybe that he could tie
Speaker 1: that into his work here. You know, we offer unlimited
Speaker 1: PTO here. No, but that's awesome. Well it's kind of
Speaker 1: a lie because like you can go away, but then
Speaker 1: you come back, you still have a bunch of ship
Speaker 1: to do. It's not like someone else. Does it mean, Yeah,
Speaker 1: someone's on his date. I'm gonna do with the stuff
Speaker 1: he's supposed to do it, and you'll come back and
Speaker 1: be able to chill. So you just come back heling,
Speaker 1: Now it's screwed. Yeah, re entry is always hard. An
Speaker 1: there you are. But I don't want to get too deep.
Speaker 1: But I am curious, are you you're using a dating
Speaker 1: app or not using now? Not at all? Just meet
Speaker 1: him the old fashioned way wow, which I would would
Speaker 1: be a bar Instagram social garretts this is not fair. Well,
Speaker 1: just give me, okay qualities you're looking for. I'll find
Speaker 1: you a good MISSR girl. I think no, I think
Speaker 1: I'm I think I'm gonna plead the fifth on this one.
Speaker 1: This is not how I expected this to. Gon't expect
Speaker 1: this grace. You're married and got kids? How many kids? Three?
Speaker 1: I got three girls? Been married twelve years? How did
Speaker 1: you meet your husband? Blind date? It's actually a really
Speaker 1: funny story. I don't I don't know if your listenership
Speaker 1: will be interested in how I met my husband. But
Speaker 1: it was blind date and a lot of friends joke.
Speaker 1: That was an arranged marriage because our mothers set us
Speaker 1: up on a blind date. Yeah, it's pretty old school. Yeah,
Speaker 1: blind date's not something you hear about too often now.
Speaker 1: And we had both had some really bad blind dates
Speaker 1: leading up to our blind date, which you know, so
Speaker 1: we didn't have high expectations. You were blind date her.
Speaker 1: I was a blind date, and it was it's actually
Speaker 1: i'll tell you it is. I'll give you the short version.
Speaker 1: So this was while I was it was a unique
Speaker 1: chapter of my life. Um, I can't believe I'm about
Speaker 1: to say this on your podcast. But I was Miss
Speaker 1: Tennessee in the Miss American passiant and so I took
Speaker 1: a year off of graduate. You went all the way
Speaker 1: to Miss Tennessee to Miss America. If you want to
Speaker 1: take it to the highest level I went. You wouldn't
Speaker 1: competed in Miss America. I sure did. Do you want
Speaker 1: my autograph? Yeah, you're Miss America. Thing I was, What
Speaker 1: was your deal? What was your sort of like you
Speaker 1: like your specialty? I sang, which is how I met
Speaker 1: my husband. I was singing the national anthem at a
Speaker 1: Memphis Grizzlies NBA game, and our mom set us up.
Speaker 1: They had talked and they knew that I was going
Speaker 1: to be there singing, and neither one of us, obviously
Speaker 1: were dating anyone. And in Mississippi, if you're not married
Speaker 1: by the time you're like twenty five, people get concerned,
Speaker 1: especially if you're Miss Mississippi Tennessee. I was in school
Speaker 1: at Andy, So Miss Tennessee, right here in the studio. Yeah,
Speaker 1: as you live and breathe so so. So I was
Speaker 1: singing the anthem, and so I was not at all
Speaker 1: concerned about whoever this dude was I was about to
Speaker 1: sit with and watch the basketball game, and I had
Speaker 1: never sung in an arena that big before, so I
Speaker 1: had at the time, this is how long ago it was.
Speaker 1: I had my little iPod shuffle threaded underneath my dress,
Speaker 1: tucked in my tights so that at center court, when
Speaker 1: I'm surrounded all these seven foot tall basketball players and
Speaker 1: the lights go down, spotlight on me. I was terrified
Speaker 1: that I was going to accidentally change keys in the
Speaker 1: middle of this acapella song, which it sounds bad when
Speaker 1: you do that, by the way. So I was going
Speaker 1: to hear the accompaniment music in my ear that no
Speaker 1: one else could hear, but it would keep me into
Speaker 1: you see what I mean. But when I pressed that
Speaker 1: play button, it just so happens that Norah Jones is
Speaker 1: right after National Anthem on my iPod at this time,
Speaker 1: so I did not hear my accompaniment track. I heard
Speaker 1: come Away with Me, and I was like, oh, WHOA.
Speaker 1: So I jerked it out of my air and just
Speaker 1: pick a note saying it it was pre iPhone day,
Speaker 1: so there's no proof otherwise. So I will say it
Speaker 1: was the best it's ever been sung. For my story,
Speaker 1: and I'm sticking to it the same night that you
Speaker 1: met your yes, and he almost missed it. He came
Speaker 1: rushing it. He thought he knew I was singing the anthem,
Speaker 1: but he thought it was going to be as part
Speaker 1: of some big like miss and group ensemble that was
Speaker 1: then going to go work the concession stand. He really
Speaker 1: did not know that it was just going to be
Speaker 1: me singing, and so he like rushes in and he's like, damn,
Speaker 1: that's my date. And so then I finished singing, and
Speaker 1: of course I'm a little rattled from the whole like
Speaker 1: debacle that was my accompaniment track. And he but I
Speaker 1: looked down at my then BlackBerry because that's the time
Speaker 1: we were in and it's like, I'm the guy in
Speaker 1: the blue sweater and I'm going I'm in the FedEx form,
Speaker 1: Like all right, you're gonna have to give me a
Speaker 1: little bit more than that. But but anyway, we sat together,
Speaker 1: watched the game. He went he was living in Jack's, Mississippi.
Speaker 1: He had he had lived in Boston for school and
Speaker 1: then came back to Jackson. I was in Nashville. So
Speaker 1: we dated a long distance and now we're married with
Speaker 1: free kids. Was he like Mr Universe or anything like that, like,
Speaker 1: did he have anything? No, No, I mean he's a
Speaker 1: really great guy everything. I'm so sorry, honey. Um no,
Speaker 1: he sleep. He just wanted he just wont you over
Speaker 1: the good old fashion. No. He impressed me so much
Speaker 1: because he's so humble and he's really a pretty awesome
Speaker 1: person with a lot that he could brag about, and
Speaker 1: he didn't. And so we sat and had this great conversation.
Speaker 1: There was a lot that I learned about him after
Speaker 1: the fact that he didn't come right out with like
Speaker 1: trying to impress me. He was just trying to impress you.
Speaker 1: I guess held off. He held off, but then he
Speaker 1: you know what, it's funny, tied into the hole Miss
Speaker 1: American thing. So we met in November Miss America the
Speaker 1: finale there was in reality show that year, but the
Speaker 1: finale was in January, and he showed up in Las
Speaker 1: Vegas and like hung out with my family. We've been
Speaker 1: on three days at this point. That's when it was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: he's into me. I think, yeah, it's pretty cool. Is
Speaker 1: this the first time for you to have a washed
Speaker 1: up former pageant queen in your studio? Yeah, listen, there's
Speaker 1: a statute of limitations on these things. I really can't
Speaker 1: use that anymore. But yeah, that's the back story. Uh
Speaker 1: so Beck Shawn's day. That's good. So we're gonna okay,
Speaker 1: you know, you're being like a little tight lip. You're
Speaker 1: being like a tournament wallee. I mean, but it's like
Speaker 1: it's new enough that I don't want to jinx it.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm with you. That's that's probably the walleye Fisher.
Speaker 1: What I was leading towards. What I was leading towards is, um,
Speaker 1: what do you call it? When you got one guy batting,
Speaker 1: there's another guy over practicing. I was trying to get
Speaker 1: a couple more people on deck for you, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it didn't probably work very well though. Huh well, maybe
Speaker 1: you know, if you'd have had to play it harder
Speaker 1: school with the Duck report, Shawn dr port so um
Speaker 1: trying to remember how long ago that was that we
Speaker 1: talked about the age demographics of ducks. It was a
Speaker 1: couple of a couple of duck reports ago. But when
Speaker 1: we had talked about like how long ducks live you
Speaker 1: had said, you know, we had talked about that they
Speaker 1: you have some that get to be high twenties, you know,
Speaker 1: mallard that lives to be seven years old, blue goose
Speaker 1: that lives to be thirty years old, and you had
Speaker 1: requested an odometer. How how far they travel in their life? Well,
Speaker 1: there's so there's a few different conservation worcs all doing
Speaker 1: this now, ducks and limited delta, and then in Arkansas
Speaker 1: you have the Osbourne Lab and five Oaks Egg Research
Speaker 1: Center doing GPS trackers on ducks and man, it's crazy
Speaker 1: how good that tech has come along compared to like
Speaker 1: the radio telemetry stuff, because they know every single I
Speaker 1: mean down to the cornfield. These ducks are hanging out
Speaker 1: in all the way up and down the flyway. But anyway,
Speaker 1: so I had a guy named Ryan Askern from the
Speaker 1: Osbourne Lab give me some data points. Day've got forty
Speaker 1: five ucks with GPS trackers right now, and uh, that's
Speaker 1: that's they're glue in that in the feathers corrects on
Speaker 1: their back the backpack. Oh it is okay. Remember some
Speaker 1: Turkey guys talking about a little thing. Maybe they weren't
Speaker 1: maybe it wasn't as sophisticated, but um, they would just
Speaker 1: glue this little device up in their feathers. You wouldn't
Speaker 1: even see it no, you can see this. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you can see it. It looks like they're flying around
Speaker 1: with a backpack on. Um. So, anyway, he sent me
Speaker 1: data points for the averages of all the forty five ducks.
Speaker 1: But then he also sent me just like a random
Speaker 1: drake and Hen Mallard got it. And the drake Mallard
Speaker 1: on Avid on average flies eight point seven miles a
Speaker 1: day for a total of three thousand, one hundred and
Speaker 1: seventy two miles a year, and the hand flies eleven
Speaker 1: point six miles a day for a total of four thousand,
Speaker 1: two hundred and thirty four miles a year, which you know,
Speaker 1: it's kind of crazy when you think about that. Most
Speaker 1: of that's in the spring and fall, because they're pretty
Speaker 1: That does include migration, yep, because they're pretty idle. Because
Speaker 1: the annual average yep. Are you gonna hit us with
Speaker 1: some extraordinary days yep. So that's why Sean does such
Speaker 1: a good duck report. Um well, and I did. I
Speaker 1: did do a total of like based on the average
Speaker 1: of all their forty five ducks that they have, they
Speaker 1: fly on average of eleven point two miles a day.
Speaker 1: And if you remember, the oldest Mallard ever shot with
Speaker 1: a band on it was twenty seven or seven months.
Speaker 1: Applying the average to that duck, he would have flown
Speaker 1: a hundred and twelve thousand, seven hundred fifty miles in
Speaker 1: his life, which it's pretty good for for a duck.
Speaker 1: But okay, anyway, the and then what's really wild is
Speaker 1: the like the spring and fall migration of how far
Speaker 1: these ducks will go in one day. This spring in April,
Speaker 1: they had one mallard that flew six d forty two
Speaker 1: miles in a single day from Bismarck, North Dakota to Lloydminster, Alberta.
Speaker 1: No way in one day. How many times did he stop?
Speaker 1: See it only kicks the information back every twenty four hours,
Speaker 1: so they don't know exactly. Yeah, but you'd have to
Speaker 1: think of he's covering that distance. He couldn't have been
Speaker 1: doing wash except flying, and he's going north. I wonder
Speaker 1: if he had a tail wind. That's what's crazy too,
Speaker 1: is like you see these ducks migrate into the wind.
Speaker 1: Sometimes two snow geese will do it all the time,
Speaker 1: where they migrate into the wind, and you're like why
Speaker 1: you know, so they'll they'll like wait for a north
Speaker 1: wind and make a big push or something, or it
Speaker 1: just happens to be just kind of like I've seen
Speaker 1: the heart some of the hardest snow goose mic ration
Speaker 1: days going north into a north wind, which doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1: And then other times, you know, they have a great
Speaker 1: south wind and they're using it. But they'll migrate more
Speaker 1: based on and this is a different duct report will
Speaker 1: do sometime about how much of the migration happens based
Speaker 1: on moon and like like why you always here snowgies
Speaker 1: flying in the middle of the night yep, yep, because
Speaker 1: they're doing some work and research on like luminants too,
Speaker 1: And how much duct movement is happening based on moonlight?
Speaker 1: I think I think as much of it's based around that,
Speaker 1: even more than wind. Is like that it's warm out
Speaker 1: that you know they've got the right moon stuff like that.
Speaker 1: But that's incredible six he did one day, and that's
Speaker 1: like you know, when you're out and ducts are kind
Speaker 1: of giving you the snub, and also just some duct
Speaker 1: comes and just like boom bombs are dude, that's him, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he just got done with a trap, you know, and
Speaker 1: he's like, dude, next duck, I see, I'm landing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm ready for some food, some chill. But the you know,
Speaker 1: the ones that are real crazy is the snow goose migration.
Speaker 1: I mean, the duck migration is impressive, don't get me wrong,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't hold a candle to what the snow
Speaker 1: geese are doing. So there's a group called the Alberta
Speaker 1: Conservation Association doing GPS work on snow geese and they
Speaker 1: have one tracker that for whatever reason, has lasted longer
Speaker 1: than it was supposed to. Its lasted three years now,
Speaker 1: so they've been getting info on this one snow goose
Speaker 1: for three years and over from January to January. This
Speaker 1: snow goose has average twenty one five miles per day
Speaker 1: of flying, which like, okay, so it's double a Mallard's average.
Speaker 1: And it makes sense when you see how snow geese
Speaker 1: fly around and feed. They fly along ways every day
Speaker 1: to feed. But then on top of that, this snow
Speaker 1: goose flew seventy miles in twenty four hours and landed
Speaker 1: on like this little mountain creek up in the Yukon. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so this so this goose, this exact snow goose
Speaker 1: is wintering in California. Then flying over to Boise and
Speaker 1: hanging out down in the Snake River bottoms, then flying
Speaker 1: to freeze Out Lake, Montana, then over to Edmonton, Alberta,
Speaker 1: and then ending on the north slope of Alaska. I
Speaker 1: missed my first snow goose that freeze all like really
Speaker 1: like the biggest chip shot. You could have just decoyed
Speaker 1: or passing over, you know, like eight ft over my
Speaker 1: head about a mile an hour, just too close, just whatever.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Um So, just for the sake of
Speaker 1: doing it, I applied that twenty mile a day average
Speaker 1: to the oldest blue goose ever, which you know, same
Speaker 1: thing as a snow goose, and that goose would have
Speaker 1: flown two thousand, five thirty nine miles in its life,
Speaker 1: which there's pickups dying well before that. You're not gonna
Speaker 1: get that much out of your Toyota tundra. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's impressives. Do you have have many numbers on the low end,
Speaker 1: like when they're just loafing golf course duck? No, I
Speaker 1: don't have anything like that, but I was I was
Speaker 1: thinking about that these these ducks are putting the GPS
Speaker 1: units on in Arkansas. Um you know, they those ducks
Speaker 1: in Arkansas are always kind of within easy he feeding
Speaker 1: distance of like where where they roost and where they
Speaker 1: feed is always pretty close, maybe a mile two miles
Speaker 1: at most. But then you get some of these Montana, Wyoming,
Speaker 1: Nebraska Kansas ducks that they have to fly a long
Speaker 1: way to get to a cornfield in western Nebraska. One
Speaker 1: time I followed flock ducks forty five miles to their
Speaker 1: feed and they were flying that every day, And so yeah,
Speaker 1: he's jamming ninety miles a day. I would think that
Speaker 1: this average of Arkansas ducks is actually, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: compared to some of the Central Flyway ducks and Rocky
Speaker 1: Mountain ducks maybe on the low side. Hit me again
Speaker 1: with how far that snow goose went one day, Um,
Speaker 1: eight hundred and seventy miles in one day. He's blown
Speaker 1: by whole entire states. Yeah, but you're flying north to south,
Speaker 1: you're passing states, had a bunch of them. He started in.
Speaker 1: He started in Alberta and ended like well into the
Speaker 1: yukon that day and on where he was in. It's
Speaker 1: it's really what's really cool to look at on this
Speaker 1: GPS And I'll I can post the website for this too.
Speaker 1: You can look at the GPS and see that this
Speaker 1: bird sat around Edmonton, Alberta for a solid month just
Speaker 1: feeding and getting ready to cross the forest. Because that's why,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a there's no food for him as
Speaker 1: across the burial. You know, that's the largest This would
Speaker 1: be a good question for Spencer's trivial pursuit show. Um,
Speaker 1: the boreal forest is the largest biome on Earth. Really,
Speaker 1: it's the largest expanse of habitat type on the planet,
Speaker 1: is the boreal forest. Because like all that ship across
Speaker 1: the Yeah, like huge band across your age, a huge
Speaker 1: band across North America. That is a game poor environment, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and food poor. Why a snow goose would eat wheat
Speaker 1: for a month and a half before he flies across
Speaker 1: it in two days. That was a hell of a
Speaker 1: duck report. It's a fun one. Do Are you done? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I'm done? So I think that just just strow shan
Speaker 1: a couple of ideas. I think that about them moving
Speaker 1: at night would be very interesting. What do you guys
Speaker 1: anything grace? What is this thing you wonder most about ducks?
Speaker 1: Don't you have anything burning? I don't. I don't wonder
Speaker 1: a lot about ducks. To be quite honest, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: you know, I stay, I'm I'm an ears girl. You know,
Speaker 1: when you come back with that Turkey tester, maybe by
Speaker 1: then you'll have worked up a question for Sean, A
Speaker 1: question for Sean. Yeah, Uh, I got I got a
Speaker 1: couple of requests. Um. I think there's an emerging understanding
Speaker 1: about the role of iridescence and birds what they see
Speaker 1: when they see iridescence. Right, that could be interesting. Yep, Um,
Speaker 1: that's a good one. What else have you done, like
Speaker 1: mortality stuff? Like it's far like during the migration. I
Speaker 1: should say to narrow it down like hitting, because there
Speaker 1: is there like, uh spot on the map where it's like,
Speaker 1: holy shit, a bunch of ducks died, right triangle for dogs?
Speaker 1: That'd be interesting. How long did that that that goose
Speaker 1: live after the super long day? You know? Then? Does
Speaker 1: it just post up for a while? Is that the
Speaker 1: is that the last two raw? They do? Know? They?
Speaker 1: I mean they they do their migration real fast and
Speaker 1: they take advantage of it, and then they spend a
Speaker 1: lot of time resting and putting the fat stores back on.
Speaker 1: I gotta get another one for you too, uh, predator
Speaker 1: swamping you know what I'm talking about. There's like a
Speaker 1: reproductive strategy where a vulnerable bird or any kind of
Speaker 1: thing vulnerable species will synchronize birthing um so that rather
Speaker 1: than staggering it out where predators can just like whittle away,
Speaker 1: whittle away with a away with it away. It just
Speaker 1: all happens at once, right, and then you kind of
Speaker 1: overwhelmed the predator base. And there's examples of with with
Speaker 1: I know with snow geese the way they nest that
Speaker 1: the fox the Arctic foxes and whatnot will always whittle
Speaker 1: away at the edge, but it's just too much. Hits
Speaker 1: the ground all at once and they can't They'll never
Speaker 1: get them all. But if you'd spread that same thing
Speaker 1: out over months, right, letters will just be like keyed
Speaker 1: in on it, constantly, constantly doing it. That could be interesting.
Speaker 1: And then another thing that could be interesting is like
Speaker 1: why what factors led to the great explosion in snow
Speaker 1: geese um, Like what were the agricultural practices that change
Speaker 1: that led to the snow goose explosion and why did
Speaker 1: that become a thing of such concern to wildlife managers
Speaker 1: in the Arctic. I've actually been in touch with the
Speaker 1: guy that was waving the flag. I did. I called
Speaker 1: him for an article I wrote on the website about
Speaker 1: snow geese that, um, he was the guy waving the
Speaker 1: flag saying, hey, snow goose populations are about to explode.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of environmental differences, get ready. And he
Speaker 1: said that twenty five years before the Conservation Order actually
Speaker 1: got created. Yeah, that's a good one, talking snow Keep busy.
Speaker 1: Let's know how the dating goes. Okay, alright, Joyce seeing
Speaker 1: the national anthem? We should that. I didn't. I didn't
Speaker 1: warm up. I'm a little rusty. I'm out of practice.
Speaker 1: You want to talk about Pete really quick before we
Speaker 1: get Yeah, for Pete's sake, Pete. Okay, So our our
Speaker 1: friend Peter Alonso speaking of baseball, our friend Peter Alonzo, Um,
Speaker 1: go ahead, Chester. He he hits dingers. He's a hey,
Speaker 1: heck of a baseball polar bear. Pete plays for the Mats. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's he's the official baseball player of this podcast. Yeah
Speaker 1: he Do you know what position he plays for the Mets? Yeah,
Speaker 1: plays first base. Nice first, I'm a loyal friend man
Speaker 1: first base. Read I'll read it when I see an
Speaker 1: article pop up about Pete. I'll read it and I'll
Speaker 1: send it to him as though he didn't know about it.
Speaker 1: My grandmother, you had a good game last night. My
Speaker 1: grandmother sends me articles cut out in the newspaper about
Speaker 1: Pete just because we did We did that. That's fun
Speaker 1: episode together. He uh, he's well known for a couple
Speaker 1: of home run derby wins. He can million bucks of pop.
Speaker 1: That guy can hit the ball when he gets it
Speaker 1: where he wants it, he hits the ball. He tells
Speaker 1: me that to be a good hitter, you have to
Speaker 1: have a high ass. And if you look at him,
Speaker 1: he has a high ass, which means a strong buttocks.
Speaker 1: His ass is positioned high on his body and it's
Speaker 1: big lot of in there. But I really like about
Speaker 1: watching him in the home room dirty I've mentioned this before,
Speaker 1: is like the zen space that you can see that
Speaker 1: he's in, just just chilling and smiling and just swinging
Speaker 1: away as calm as can be. Everybody else looks like
Speaker 1: they're just gonna smash the bat in their hands. They're
Speaker 1: holding it so tight and they've got be to sweat
Speaker 1: coming down their face and they're just and Pete's just
Speaker 1: that's a lot like, yeah, he's way off bugle and
Speaker 1: he loves the hunting fish. Maybe that has something to
Speaker 1: do with it. Maybe. Okay, so what what is? What
Speaker 1: is the Pete hasn't asked of everybody? Is it just
Speaker 1: about the All Star voting? Yes? Okay, yeah, voting is
Speaker 1: open for the All Star Game. Hey guy, what's up?
Speaker 1: Pete Alonso here? I just want to say thank you
Speaker 1: so much for all the love that you guys have
Speaker 1: been giving us, especially in the All Star voting. And
Speaker 1: as a thank you, you're truly I'm going to be
Speaker 1: giving away Jersey's helmets, hats, tickets, and some VP passes.
Speaker 1: Take a picture of your vote and time stamp that somehow.
Speaker 1: Make sure to just click the link in my bio.
Speaker 1: It'll take you right to the site. L f GM.
Speaker 1: What's the LGM mean? Phil? Uh? What? Met know what
Speaker 1: it is? Yeah? It's naughty mets are Yeah, so do
Speaker 1: that because Pete's great. Steve baby Corn coming your way?
Speaker 1: Did your baby Corn? I did? It's it's like a
Speaker 1: cousin of the pickled okra. Yeah. These come in the
Speaker 1: in the meat Eater Bloody Mary kit that meets selling
Speaker 1: on the website. Now, I didn't know I never got
Speaker 1: I never got one either. I got all the parts
Speaker 1: that has never got a package. You'll have to go
Speaker 1: to the meat eater store dot com and get away.
Speaker 1: You know what I basically now make. I make a
Speaker 1: lot of when I'm making, you know, I take like late,
Speaker 1: I've been taking a lot of n a beer and
Speaker 1: adding not only bloody Mary mix, but all the bloody
Speaker 1: but all the bloody mary fixens. I'm making a red
Speaker 1: beer with bloody mary fixens. What are your favorite fixings? Like?
Speaker 1: Just like all of pickle, asparagus, whatever. It's like a
Speaker 1: crazy gass drink. It's like beer boody Mary mix. And
Speaker 1: when you put all those all that salty stuff in there,
Speaker 1: the fizz is bye bye, It's just gone. Are you
Speaker 1: putting cheese in? You gotta have a little bit. I
Speaker 1: have been great in any cheese. There might start ready,
Speaker 1: bloody Mary. We're digging in. Now what happens? We tried
Speaker 1: to have someone explain it before. That didn't satisfy either
Speaker 1: of us. Now the stakes are high, alright, I will
Speaker 1: do a better job. Here we go a paint a picture.
Speaker 1: You're in a duck blind, okay, and someone shoots their
Speaker 1: shotguns six inches from your ear. What just happened to you? Well?
Speaker 1: A lot so gun bangs that loud? Okay, you think
Speaker 1: about if you think about um I talked about this
Speaker 1: a little bit in the generous article that Sam put
Speaker 1: out on mediator dot com here recently. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you've had a chance to peruse it. Sure, Okay,
Speaker 1: So when you when you think about decibels, you know
Speaker 1: you hear decibel, this decibel that, well you think think
Speaker 1: about it in terms of sound pressure level, and sound
Speaker 1: pressure is entering your ear at different intensities. Right, So
Speaker 1: a gun shot, like you haven't thought of that before? Well,
Speaker 1: there you go, So it really is. It is a
Speaker 1: sound pressure level. And um, so we'll we'll take it
Speaker 1: from a physiology standpoint. So the acoustic wave at a
Speaker 1: sound whatever sound pressure level, enters your ear canal, hits
Speaker 1: your ear drum, vibrates your ear drum, which then vibrates
Speaker 1: the tiniest bones of your body, the osticles, the smallest
Speaker 1: of which the stapes moves in and out of what
Speaker 1: we call the window into your cochlea, which is your
Speaker 1: hearing nerve, which is that little snail shell two and
Speaker 1: a half turn that houses your hearing nerve where there's
Speaker 1: these delicate hearing fibers. Now, I think this is pretty cool.
Speaker 1: If you were to unroll that snail shell, it's like
Speaker 1: a piano keyboard. So the little hair cells that get
Speaker 1: hit first and the hardest are coded for the highest
Speaker 1: pitches that you hear. And then as you move down
Speaker 1: towards the other end of the cocleus inside the coil,
Speaker 1: inside the coil, then you start getting down to the
Speaker 1: base tones. So it's a tone of topic organization like that.
Speaker 1: I want to ask a clarifying question about the pressure. Okay,
Speaker 1: early weird joke about Turkey Gowel's way off. That's creating
Speaker 1: a sound pressure. It's moving through the sound pressure level,
Speaker 1: moving through the atmosphere in the form of a sound wave.
Speaker 1: I guess. I guess never thought about what was sound is,
Speaker 1: whenever thought it makes told sense, whenever thought about it
Speaker 1: being that when you think about the sound waves, like
Speaker 1: when we're at the lake and you can hear conversations
Speaker 1: that are being had at a campsite across the lake
Speaker 1: because the water, there's nothing to impede the flow of
Speaker 1: those sound waves moving across the water. As opposed to
Speaker 1: if you're in the woods and you've got all these
Speaker 1: different baffles from the trees and the vegetation, that's going
Speaker 1: to interfere with how well that sound waves travels to
Speaker 1: your ear. The last morning of my turkey hunting season,
Speaker 1: I was on the edge of the lake and then
Speaker 1: about drove me nuts because they were turkey's goblin on
Speaker 1: all sides of that lake. Because the sound was traveling
Speaker 1: so well, I could not tell well and you can't
Speaker 1: tell trying to pinpoint a blue grouse on the lake.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah. We walked to the other side of
Speaker 1: the lake and he still sounded across the lake. That's right,
Speaker 1: he's back where we were well. And I'm I'm also
Speaker 1: thinking from your hearing test we took, if one year
Speaker 1: is better than the other, you're gonna have even more
Speaker 1: double pin pointing where that sounds coming from. So that
Speaker 1: was also to your disadvantage. I'm sorry, I just outed
Speaker 1: your hearing. So um, it's cool to me that the
Speaker 1: hearing nerve is coated like that for pitch because then,
Speaker 1: you know, like I've said before, we hear with our
Speaker 1: brains because it doesn't matter if if those hair fibers
Speaker 1: what has to happen is then that they have to
Speaker 1: transduce the sounds in it all the way up to
Speaker 1: your brain, where it's then processed by your auditory cortex,
Speaker 1: which is in each temporal lobe. And the auditory cortex
Speaker 1: is also organized ton of topically, so there's surface area
Speaker 1: of your brain that is dedicated to processing and interpreting
Speaker 1: all these different pitches. So for that gunshot, it's coming
Speaker 1: in hard and fast, and it's blasting those really high
Speaker 1: pitches first, and depending on how loud it is, it's
Speaker 1: it's getting the hair cells farther and farther down the cochlea.
Speaker 1: But that's why we see that high pitch hearing loss
Speaker 1: happen first as a result of noise exposure most typically
Speaker 1: and hunters will see what because that the the pressures
Speaker 1: damaging to the thing. If you picture it like almost
Speaker 1: like the little what is that right there, I'm looking turkey.
Speaker 1: If you look at the that's a very cool turkey
Speaker 1: feather photo, thank you. But as you referring to u
Speaker 1: um very detailed look at the end of turkey. It
Speaker 1: almost looks trapped. Yeah, But so you have these sillia
Speaker 1: and stereo sillia. These tiny hairs that are like this
Speaker 1: and they're waiting on a sound to hit them, so
Speaker 1: that then that activates an action potential that with the
Speaker 1: synapse that sends the sound to your brain. Well, you
Speaker 1: know what's interesting about all that, All that wiring in
Speaker 1: your brain is um and then it's like, then then
Speaker 1: that is somehow lining up with learned experience. Yeah, where
Speaker 1: you assign a right, it's doing all this and then
Speaker 1: instantly assigning memory where the minute someone talks, your brains
Speaker 1: are like, oh, they're over there, it's Bob. He's irritated. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: And so when you asked those hair sell fibers and
Speaker 1: they they kind of kill over a little bit. And
Speaker 1: so you know, sometimes you'll leave a concert your ears
Speaker 1: are ringing, or in this situation the pit blond, you
Speaker 1: might walk out, your ears might be ringing, and if
Speaker 1: you're lucky, after a few days or a few hours,
Speaker 1: those hair cells will recover and you're here come back.
Speaker 1: You'll think, oh, I'm great, I'm standing again. Yes, it's
Speaker 1: called a temporary threshold shift, and so those those hair
Speaker 1: cells will kind of stand back up again, but you've
Speaker 1: undoubtedly weakened them. But when they're bent over. What is
Speaker 1: the ringing? That's a great question. So because our brains
Speaker 1: are programmed to be looking for this this stimulation that's
Speaker 1: coming in through the auditory system. So when you have
Speaker 1: a very discreet pitch, like from a gunshot that's been damaged,
Speaker 1: even temporarily, the brain is receiving great input from the
Speaker 1: hair cell fibers right next door to the ones that
Speaker 1: have been damaged. And so it's getting all this great
Speaker 1: stimulation and it's searching for a signal that's not coming,
Speaker 1: and it manufactures this ringing. The best way I know
Speaker 1: to provide an analogy to this is like a phantom
Speaker 1: limb syndrome. Someone loses a limb and they perceive pain
Speaker 1: in a limb that's no longer there. Your your brain
Speaker 1: is searching for sensory input that's not coming. Which is
Speaker 1: why when I've written about I've got a good article
Speaker 1: on tenadus, I'm kind of proud of it. But in
Speaker 1: that article it talks about how sometimes in audiology and
Speaker 1: audiologists will work to program into whatever your level devices
Speaker 1: you're wearing, a background noise that's pitch matched in loudnessmatched
Speaker 1: to your ringing. If it's a pervasive problem, and that
Speaker 1: provides the stimulation that's missing right at that pitch tells
Speaker 1: your brain to calm down. Tenadus is a fascinating topic,
Speaker 1: and we could spend other than tenitus. Tomato tomato. Is
Speaker 1: it okay? It is okay? My doctor said, tendatives. I said, like,
Speaker 1: I thought it was tenitas. He goes, I don't know
Speaker 1: what it is the academic medical community, like if I'm
Speaker 1: at continuing at lectures that sort of thing, everybody talks
Speaker 1: about TIS. But for whatever reason, in the public realm,
Speaker 1: it's a lot, you know either way either way. But um,
Speaker 1: but anyway, you know, the limbic system is very involved
Speaker 1: in regulating ringing. If you have it pervasively, you know,
Speaker 1: you'll notice that stress, caffeine salts, lack of sleep. What's
Speaker 1: the limbic system. The limbic system is UM. You can
Speaker 1: kind of equate it to almost like a nervous system
Speaker 1: or an emotional regulating system. It's the system that, like
Speaker 1: when your cortisol levels are amped and you're really stressed, UM,
Speaker 1: there's an internal gating system that your your brain is
Speaker 1: working to try to overcome those things. And when that
Speaker 1: system is taxed because of stress because of lack of sleep, anxiety, um,
Speaker 1: too much caffeine. That's when you might notice that that
Speaker 1: ringing hits like a fever pitch. And some people are like, oh,
Speaker 1: that sounds like voodoo whatever. I don't believe in meditation,
Speaker 1: but that's why some of the psychological side of tenadis
Speaker 1: is the best man agement because once you learn that
Speaker 1: that there are these coping strategies and you kind of
Speaker 1: pay attention to stay in tune with what's happening, um
Speaker 1: with your body and kind of where you are in life.
Speaker 1: That sometimes if you are able to get a few
Speaker 1: really good night's sleep and just drink a bunch of
Speaker 1: water and maybe lay off the alcohol and caffeine, you'll
Speaker 1: get some relief in that ringing. You know what, now
Speaker 1: that I've started to struggle with it, and I haven't
Speaker 1: it hasn't been bad for months whatever reason. Um, it's
Speaker 1: self perpetuating in a way because it will get real quiet,
Speaker 1: Like it might just be you're out hunting or whatever,
Speaker 1: listening for goggles and then you're like, oh, wow, there
Speaker 1: it is because in a quiet place, and then that
Speaker 1: ship then your brains like why is it there? Why
Speaker 1: is it there? Why is it there? And then it
Speaker 1: becomes deafening and you're like, well, it wasn't deafening a
Speaker 1: minute ago. It's only deafening now because I'm so like
Speaker 1: fixated on it, and then and then I hear it
Speaker 1: for days. Yes, when you tune into it, I mean
Speaker 1: truly the focus and the attention. And so if you
Speaker 1: can like mentally get yourself into a mental space where
Speaker 1: you can distract yourself from it with either a masking
Speaker 1: noise or play some soft music in the background something
Speaker 1: to get your mind off of it, it truly does help.
Speaker 1: That's where I'm at scientifically. Where now I have, like
Speaker 1: in my little memory bank, I have places and in context,
Speaker 1: I know where I can be in and I know
Speaker 1: it won't be there. Yeah, Like you get in the
Speaker 1: car and go drive, it's not there. You think about it,
Speaker 1: noise from the road and the truck. Is it bad
Speaker 1: enough that you'll go, I'm here right now, But will
Speaker 1: you ever go take a step to make it go away? No,
Speaker 1: So it's never a bad enough You're like, I'm going
Speaker 1: to go for a drive. Can you pass the little
Speaker 1: pickled corns? There? Like I've had some people that are
Speaker 1: so debilitated by it. I mean they are they're not sleeping.
Speaker 1: I mean it's really affecting their lives. So these fancy
Speaker 1: new earpieces you got us though, Yeah, they got that
Speaker 1: little background noise, the background sounds. And that's because this
Speaker 1: particular product I've got you trying is um it may
Speaker 1: buy hearing a company, and so it's using a hearing
Speaker 1: aid chip, you know, just we connected through the hearing
Speaker 1: aid settings, not the Bluetooth settings, and so in the
Speaker 1: hearing aid world, we often use those settings to program
Speaker 1: in that background noise. So it might just help you
Speaker 1: with focus. You know, if if you don't have ringing,
Speaker 1: if you just want to go into a zin space
Speaker 1: in your office and like not only have the ear
Speaker 1: plugs in, but block out. But you know, if you
Speaker 1: have ringing in the ears, it can be a tool.
Speaker 1: That's exactly what it's there for. It's on the hearing
Speaker 1: aid chip. What does PRO mean your company? ODO is
Speaker 1: the medical prefix for ear. A nottologist is an ear doctor,
Speaker 1: and then PRO is professional protection. Yeah, I was tracking
Speaker 1: that part. Yeah, it came to me when I was
Speaker 1: sitting in church, so I decided it was divinely inspired.
Speaker 1: I get questions about it, or could that you weren't
Speaker 1: paying attention to church. Yeah, don't don't tell my pastor hey,
Speaker 1: it's gone really well, I'm here with you now, so
Speaker 1: maybe you know, maybe it was want to be maybe
Speaker 1: it was uh you went so now that we were,
Speaker 1: is there more you want to say about, like what
Speaker 1: goes on? Because that was my dyeing, that was my
Speaker 1: number one dying question. I'm satisfied with the explanation now,
Speaker 1: But what is it when you get like the wham? Yeah,
Speaker 1: but this part two, there's a part two. Then a
Speaker 1: couple days later you're like, oh, went away. Um, but
Speaker 1: eventually it kind of creep up. But eventually it kind
Speaker 1: of didn't write like you do that enough times throughout
Speaker 1: your life, or your shoot a suppressor and you're not
Speaker 1: being careful, or you're a little kid and you're burning up,
Speaker 1: or you're a little kid and your mom and dad
Speaker 1: give you those little milk cartons stow of twenty two
Speaker 1: shells and it's just like incessant all day shooting until
Speaker 1: you run out. Maybe we never wore hearing protection. It
Speaker 1: was like as unheard of as having a bike helmet.
Speaker 1: Why would you do? Yeah, but this is why I'm
Speaker 1: guilful about the future of where we're going with hearing health,
Speaker 1: because all of us sitting around this table did not
Speaker 1: grow up with hearing protection. But we're thinking about it,
Speaker 1: and we're sure as heck thinking about it for our kids.
Speaker 1: We're going to the range today. This is how trained
Speaker 1: people are when we're going to the rain change today.
Speaker 1: And then we got flooded out. Uh my kid, I
Speaker 1: was gonna bring him with. I had my older boy
Speaker 1: with me. I wasn't bring the other ones, but they
Speaker 1: were still sleeping. He um. He said, already you have
Speaker 1: my headphones. I was like, man, that's not a sentence
Speaker 1: I would ever said. Good for him. I mean truly,
Speaker 1: because noise damage is cumulative. I like to equate it
Speaker 1: to sun exposure. Like I wish I could go back
Speaker 1: to my I hate to even admit this now, but
Speaker 1: like my time I spent in the early nineties and
Speaker 1: a tanning bed, the amount of money I'm spending now
Speaker 1: to try to reverse that damage. With all the potions
Speaker 1: and lotions and facials and all that stuff. You know,
Speaker 1: you're being getting stuff cut off yourself. No, I just mean, like,
Speaker 1: you know, trying to smooth out the wrinkles and the
Speaker 1: skin clear and all that stuff because all the sun
Speaker 1: spots and sun damage from baking in the sun. But
Speaker 1: you know, at the time, I might get a little sunburned,
Speaker 1: but then it goes away and you think, oh it's fine,
Speaker 1: but it's damaging, and it's damage that might not show
Speaker 1: up until later. And you're hearing is a lot the same.
Speaker 1: You know, our our regulatory systems. You have got NIOSH
Speaker 1: and you've got OSHA on how much you want to
Speaker 1: get into that, But um NIOSH does the research, makes
Speaker 1: the recommendations, and then OSHA is what enforces the workplace guidelines. Okay,
Speaker 1: And so you know, with both of those systems there's
Speaker 1: a big problem because they're assuming that all of your
Speaker 1: noise exposure is during an eight hour work day. So
Speaker 1: they give you these doses and like time allowances for
Speaker 1: certain noise levels, but they don't take into account that
Speaker 1: you may go home and mow the grass, or go
Speaker 1: hear some live music, or just blast the radio in
Speaker 1: your car, you know, and or sleep with a sound
Speaker 1: machine on blasting like you're in like the rainforest cafe
Speaker 1: or something, you know, And so all of this enough
Speaker 1: to do something, Oh yeah, yeah, I mean sure, it
Speaker 1: depends on the lawnmower. I mean my dad was cutting
Speaker 1: grass with the big tractor, you know, and sit on
Speaker 1: the tractor idling and like nothing in your ears blower
Speaker 1: has got to be up there. Oh yeah yeah, And
Speaker 1: that's as like that. That noise is kind of like
Speaker 1: it gets to you, right, and the chainsaw gets to
Speaker 1: you well, and it'll get to you more and more
Speaker 1: as you're hearing gets worse and worse. Because an interesting,
Speaker 1: really interesting thing. One of us talked about this earlier.
Speaker 1: The more hearing loss you have, the less tolerance you
Speaker 1: have for loud sounds. So like I used to be
Speaker 1: able to stand front center at my favorite shows in Nashville,
Speaker 1: and I mean I was just enjoying it. Nothing ever
Speaker 1: sounded distorted or I didn't get that buzzy, rattily feeling.
Speaker 1: But I get that now, so I wear my little customers.
Speaker 1: That's so surprising that it makes you because you think
Speaker 1: you'd just be like zoned out. And that's why when
Speaker 1: you are ready to seek hering aids or hearing technology,
Speaker 1: I don't even want to hear calm hearing aids anymore
Speaker 1: because they've come so far with what they can do.
Speaker 1: But that's why it's really important to not just walk
Speaker 1: into like a Costco or Sam's. You need to find
Speaker 1: a qualified credential person to help you with this. Not
Speaker 1: only is in an ongoing relationship that requires some tuning
Speaker 1: and it's just not a one size fits all, but
Speaker 1: it gets really tricky because your dynamic range, your tolerable
Speaker 1: range of hearing, gets smaller and smaller, and we're trying
Speaker 1: to make things sound naturally while using a lot of
Speaker 1: compression to fit everything in that window, and that's tricky
Speaker 1: to do. We moved into a house. The first house
Speaker 1: my wife and I bought, it was like the whole
Speaker 1: ground floor was there's no walls, no divisions, like all
Speaker 1: the way open and man, my stress level with the
Speaker 1: kids echoing like you've been there trying to cook dinner
Speaker 1: and you've got some music on and they're like fighting
Speaker 1: about something or banging around, throwing balls around. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: would make me go mad, and the people around me
Speaker 1: weren't going mad, like it was like it's like a comphony,
Speaker 1: you know. Well, I feel like for me personally, I've
Speaker 1: also lost some tolerance, not not necessarily only of just
Speaker 1: really loud sounds, but of being able to focus in
Speaker 1: the midst of a lot of noisy chaos going on
Speaker 1: around me. Like I used to be able to study,
Speaker 1: you know, with friends in the apartment, music and people
Speaker 1: doing this, and I could zone in and focus. And
Speaker 1: now my ability to focus in the midst of a
Speaker 1: lot of that chaos has really decreased, which is interesting.
Speaker 1: You got some like frontal lobe executive functioned and I
Speaker 1: don't know, but is that is that necessarily related to
Speaker 1: hearing loss or is that just related to like your
Speaker 1: brain changes over time. And I think it's both. I
Speaker 1: think it's like what gives you like grumpy people, grumpy
Speaker 1: old people, grumpy old people. My dad jerks his hearing
Speaker 1: aids out. The grandkids come around. I've got three kids,
Speaker 1: My sister's got three kids. They're running around and he
Speaker 1: loves them. But oh man, I mean he jerks, says
Speaker 1: hearing aids out and puts them on the table. I'm like, dad,
Speaker 1: come on, come on. So because he feels like it's
Speaker 1: easier for him to deal without the aids because he
Speaker 1: just wants them to be quiet, and instead of asking
Speaker 1: them to be quiet, which he knows it's not gonna work.
Speaker 1: He just takes his hearing aids off or mutes them,
Speaker 1: or start streaming a ball game through them instead of
Speaker 1: listening to the children. You know, survival methan doesn't. What
Speaker 1: else you want to know explained? Like what the long
Speaker 1: term damage looks like? I mean, if all these things
Speaker 1: are physical structures, right, so you can presumably you could, uh,
Speaker 1: you could do what do you call it when someone
Speaker 1: dies apart? You're do an autopsy? Well, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I say, presumably. I don't know the answer to this.
Speaker 1: Could you do an autopsy on a on a dead
Speaker 1: person who had just was exposed like outrageous levels of
Speaker 1: loud noise and had hearing damage? Could you do an
Speaker 1: autopsy and say, like through a microscope or whatever, like, oh,
Speaker 1: this person, uh suffered damage from loud noise? Or is
Speaker 1: it that you can't because you can't see the inner
Speaker 1: workings of the brain. Well, I think there could be
Speaker 1: even a more interesting way to look at it. And
Speaker 1: that gives me a great segue. This kind of ties
Speaker 1: into how I why I started outo produ begin with.
Speaker 1: So I was working clinically and my clinical knee should
Speaker 1: kind of evolve to become an area where I was
Speaker 1: working with a lot of people who had dementia and
Speaker 1: hearing loss, and I was looking at how there was
Speaker 1: this negative synergy between the two. And there was a
Speaker 1: lot of good research coming out from John's Hopkins University
Speaker 1: of colle Rotto at the time looking at what's happening
Speaker 1: in your brain with auditory deprivation and untreated hearing lass.
Speaker 1: This we're seeing this, this negative synergy. So and I
Speaker 1: see that first. I only heard about that just recently,
Speaker 1: the link between. So I started kind of writing and
Speaker 1: putting together some articles for other audiologists, taking basically a
Speaker 1: lit review of what we know right now in research
Speaker 1: and how you can apply this to your clinical practice.
Speaker 1: And so then when our University Medical Center in Mississippi
Speaker 1: was chosen as a data collection site for this study
Speaker 1: out of Johns Hopkins looking at this topic, it was
Speaker 1: like I was the prime person to go work on
Speaker 1: this study. So did that, and so we're looking at
Speaker 1: we're this particular study was looking at whether hearing aid
Speaker 1: intervention could delay the onset or slow the rate of
Speaker 1: decline for dementia. And for example, I'll tell you like
Speaker 1: it's core, both of those things were positively positively correlated
Speaker 1: with the degree of untreated hearing laws. So with a
Speaker 1: severe untreated hearing loss, we were seeing an onset of
Speaker 1: dementia that was three point two years earlier than it
Speaker 1: would have been otherwise and five times faster right of
Speaker 1: decline then compared to the normal control. Is it like,
Speaker 1: maybe you're gonna get to this, But is it just
Speaker 1: because your brain is not like that level of activity
Speaker 1: isn't occurring in your brain. Well, there's two things to
Speaker 1: primary processes that really stuck stuck out to me. One
Speaker 1: was called cross moodal plasticity. The other was cortical resource reallocation. Well,
Speaker 1: I'll break that down quickly. So one thing is when
Speaker 1: you are struggling to hear because you're not getting that
Speaker 1: auditory signal, think about yourself like out of wedding at
Speaker 1: at sets upcoming wedding reception. So you're trying to talk
Speaker 1: to somebody, there's a band play and there's music. You
Speaker 1: are focusing in so hard to try to understand what
Speaker 1: that person is saying in the moment that there's less
Speaker 1: cognitive reserve left over to recall that information later. So
Speaker 1: you're much more likely to remember my name if I
Speaker 1: introduced to you during this quiet room podcast, and it's
Speaker 1: easy listening environment. Then you are when you are focused
Speaker 1: in and just trying to know in that moment, so
Speaker 1: there's less room for later recall of information. So that's
Speaker 1: one thing that's playing in when people are struggling to hear.
Speaker 1: They have a harder time remembering what they heard. All
Speaker 1: their energies to all their energyes is going to that.
Speaker 1: But to your point of how could we look at
Speaker 1: the physical aspect of what's happening? Um, it was the
Speaker 1: University of Colorado that started looking at this, and this
Speaker 1: was the the cross moodal plasticity thing. So we could
Speaker 1: put somebody in a functional mri I that had a
Speaker 1: bunch of hearing loss or even with mild and moderate
Speaker 1: hearing loss, play an auditory signal and then give some
Speaker 1: visual stimuli and we start to see that the areas
Speaker 1: of the brain specifically, what is the audio and what
Speaker 1: is the visual Um. I'd have to look back at
Speaker 1: the study to tell you exactly what the audio was.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they were playing like their favorite
Speaker 1: music or if they were playing clicks and beeps, but
Speaker 1: individual will be not You're not like watching a movie,
Speaker 1: you're just seeing something, You're just seeing something like images
Speaker 1: of something. But the but the moral is we're starting
Speaker 1: to see where that if if the area of the
Speaker 1: brain it's coded to process sound is not being used
Speaker 1: to process sound, it's going to get recruited by other
Speaker 1: sensory systems to process that input. So we would start
Speaker 1: to see your auditory cortex light up in response to
Speaker 1: a visual stimulus. Think about how, um, you know, people
Speaker 1: who have lost their vision have a higher alertness for
Speaker 1: their hearing, or people who are deaf might have a
Speaker 1: higher visual acuity, or you think about the ability to
Speaker 1: read brail, you know, And it's because the brain is
Speaker 1: able to devote more surface area to those processes because
Speaker 1: it's not being used for what it was intended, so
Speaker 1: that the neural connections start to reorganize. And so we
Speaker 1: could look at that and say, Okay, how much has
Speaker 1: your brain reorganized because of the sensory deprivation and so
Speaker 1: anyway I could go on for it, but hit me
Speaker 1: with why that might lead to why the hearing loss
Speaker 1: could like you explained it with the term that like
Speaker 1: you're working hard to hear everything you're not processing, But
Speaker 1: what is the what is the other one. What is
Speaker 1: how does that relate to hear? That reorganization relate to
Speaker 1: hear you like you're robbed, Like parts of your brain
Speaker 1: are robbing from other parts. Parts your brain are robbing
Speaker 1: from other parts. And that's part of what they're still
Speaker 1: trying to distinguish is exactly how those changes in their
Speaker 1: old processes are relating to that breakdown long term, like
Speaker 1: something that you need might be like neglected or reallocated
Speaker 1: or that's right, that's right, and so um, those are
Speaker 1: just two of the of the main points that I
Speaker 1: find really cool about how your brain is responding to
Speaker 1: that lack of input. And then that's why when if
Speaker 1: you have a really a big hearing loss and you
Speaker 1: put on these amplified earplugs or hearing it's for the
Speaker 1: first time, it all just might sound like noise, and
Speaker 1: you have to give your brain time almost like physical
Speaker 1: therapy for your brain. It's like auditory training. Um, just
Speaker 1: like learning to blow a duckt collum. You gotta you
Speaker 1: gotta give your brain time to readjust so that things
Speaker 1: can start to sound normal again. Uh. I'm gonna tell
Speaker 1: how we met, please do okay? So the reason Grace
Speaker 1: is sitting here is because I don't know who arranged this,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you. You came in to do a company
Speaker 1: wide You came in to do a company wide fitting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I was like someone I don't know who told
Speaker 1: me someone like, hey, if you want to get some
Speaker 1: uh custom your plugs, go to the downstairs at like
Speaker 1: noon or whatever. It sounds interesting. So I went down
Speaker 1: and you and I got to shooting the ship about
Speaker 1: hearing protection. And then like two hours later, you want
Speaker 1: to come on the Five Games said you should come
Speaker 1: on the podcast and tell everybody about what happens when
Speaker 1: this happens. So back to how we met. We met
Speaker 1: like how did it come to me that you came
Speaker 1: to do like for like, who invited you to come
Speaker 1: do that? This business has been so relational driven for me. Um,
Speaker 1: So because of all this research I was looking at,
Speaker 1: I wanted my own family to have good hearing protection.
Speaker 1: So I started going to people's houses after Yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: I was like, I want my own dad to be
Speaker 1: wearing good hearing protection, but he would not come into
Speaker 1: the medical clinic to do it. So I said, well,
Speaker 1: I'll just go to you. And then words started spreading,
Speaker 1: and then This was never part of the business plan.
Speaker 1: I never set out to create this national network of
Speaker 1: audiologist and be on this crusade for hearing protection. But
Speaker 1: it's organically gotten to that point and it is. It
Speaker 1: has been wild and amazing to just be in this journey.
Speaker 1: But I'm we met through chef Sean Paul, your guy
Speaker 1: that does Duck Camp Dinners the show. It's a great show, um.
Speaker 1: And I was introduced to him through this guy, Josh Raggio,
Speaker 1: who lives down in my neck of the woods. Raggio
Speaker 1: Custom Calls is his like duck call, Like these coutour
Speaker 1: duck calls, they're like art, They're amazing. That's first time
Speaker 1: anyone's ever used that word on this podcast. I've never
Speaker 1: even heard that word. Which it's like you'd be like,
Speaker 1: um uh, what will be a co tour brand? I
Speaker 1: don't know, like a like a high end designer, beautiful boogie,
Speaker 1: one of a kindre made for you custom could Um,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think like in my mind, I
Speaker 1: feel it would be applied to like handbags, right, like
Speaker 1: very expensive hand isn't the handbag? And there's Juicy co Tour, right,
Speaker 1: there's Juicy Coe Tour which is like, oh you t
Speaker 1: you are? Yeah, what is juicy co tour being not
Speaker 1: co tour? Right? That's being juicy trashy. You said it,
Speaker 1: not me. What's funny about you making the comparison to
Speaker 1: handbags is her and I were talking about Raggio custom
Speaker 1: calls earlier and I said they are like handbags for dudes.
Speaker 1: He did say that, He did say that. But but
Speaker 1: so I met Raggio at a Duck's Unlimited banquet back
Speaker 1: when I was first getting started, and I'm like, hey,
Speaker 1: I'll just throw up a table and go talk to
Speaker 1: people about hearing protection at this du banquet. Oh no, no, backup,
Speaker 1: because is this still how we met? Yeah? Okay, so
Speaker 1: so that's how you got tied into the call? Yeah,
Speaker 1: the flow, You're laid out the flow. I'm at the
Speaker 1: Duck call guy at the d U banquet and how
Speaker 1: do you want the du banquet? Because I had started
Speaker 1: this little ODO pro business and people were interested, and
Speaker 1: I was like, well, I'll just go set up a
Speaker 1: little table and talk to people that come to the
Speaker 1: Ducks and Limited banquet and did you bring your little
Speaker 1: squirt gun and everything? For doing them? Absolutely? And I
Speaker 1: did it right there in the middle of the banquet,
Speaker 1: and so does. She takes a cock gun sticks that
Speaker 1: thing where it has no business going. It's like on
Speaker 1: my Instagram, I'm gonna put a picture up where someone
Speaker 1: took a video of it happening to me, and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna make a screen grab of the point where it
Speaker 1: got to where she wants it to be. To start
Speaker 1: filling your ear full of cock to get an impression.
Speaker 1: But I don't know if you're encouraging people to come
Speaker 1: to me, because let me tell you something. I a
Speaker 1: while ago, I don't want name names, but while I
Speaker 1: go Yanny and I had the opportunity to get some
Speaker 1: name and name no, I mean, I can eat your
Speaker 1: name who you were somewhere. They didn't do that. They
Speaker 1: didn't do the deep dive. It's like getting a COVID
Speaker 1: test for your ear. Yeah, I was gonna say, if
Speaker 1: you had one of the early COVID tests where it
Speaker 1: felt like they were tickling your brain through your nose,
Speaker 1: that's grace. This is similar to that, but through your ear.
Speaker 1: Now she gets deep. She's taken a deep she puts
Speaker 1: in a what is that ship? What are you? What
Speaker 1: are you putting in there? It's like a two part
Speaker 1: of POxy type goes in soft way couple minutes, pulls
Speaker 1: out it like makes a impression, makes a very detail impression,
Speaker 1: but she likes to the impression is it's deep. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's deep, and it needs to go past the bend
Speaker 1: of your the second bend of your ear canal, because
Speaker 1: I want to make sure we're not shooting the sound
Speaker 1: right into your ear canal wall. I want to I
Speaker 1: want to point that sound right to your ear drum,
Speaker 1: and it's actually more comfortable and if you go run around,
Speaker 1: it stays in. Explain that more. I think you just
Speaker 1: said something that makes sense to me because we've been
Speaker 1: having this conversation. If someone's listening is like, what are
Speaker 1: they talking? What are you saying when you're saying I
Speaker 1: want to shoot that sound, not just that you're your
Speaker 1: ear canal wall, so you're most human ears have two bends.
Speaker 1: There's a first bend where it curves around, and then
Speaker 1: there's a second bend, which is why you don't want
Speaker 1: to put que tips in there, because you're pushing stuff
Speaker 1: around the second bend. That's where it builds up and
Speaker 1: that's where I get the Q tip needs to hire
Speaker 1: a better lobby, dude. People beat up on q tips,
Speaker 1: but there's still que tips. They're still qute tips. I
Speaker 1: use them with my to put some makeup on. What
Speaker 1: about using hydrogen peroxide? That's okay, that's good as long
Speaker 1: as you don't have a hole in your ear drum
Speaker 1: or anything, because I could get that, but it works.
Speaker 1: Have you ever done that? You put hydrogen peroxide in
Speaker 1: your ear, it bubbles up and they just basically then
Speaker 1: you take a syringe and squirt some water in there
Speaker 1: and flushes everything out. Man, I go careful. I go
Speaker 1: down periodically and have these chunks that ship that looks
Speaker 1: like the end of a pencil eraser. About that hard?
Speaker 1: What are you saying? Oh? But to this point? So um,
Speaker 1: you know, if if I don't accommodate the bins of
Speaker 1: your ear canal by by making a really deep impression
Speaker 1: and getting that full picture, then the sound is going
Speaker 1: to come through the ear plug. You mean the sound
Speaker 1: that you want to come in, right, It's going to
Speaker 1: come through the ear plug. And then if if the
Speaker 1: ear plug dead ends into your ear canal wall, that's
Speaker 1: not gonna sound very good. That's like putting a speaker
Speaker 1: and facing it toward the wall. You gotta back up
Speaker 1: because I feel like people might be confused you were
Speaker 1: fitting us for hearing protection that it's like, uh, it's
Speaker 1: it's flushed to your ear. The ones what are these
Speaker 1: call that I have? Those are the sound gear Phantom.
Speaker 1: It made a mold, but they're like little headphones but
Speaker 1: ear plugs, but ear plugs. When you say the sound
Speaker 1: you're talking about, that you can turn it on and
Speaker 1: control it with your phone and turn the volume up
Speaker 1: so that you can converse and be like, hey, here
Speaker 1: comes some talks at ten o'clock. And there's lots of
Speaker 1: different products. I mean, one thing I definitely want your
Speaker 1: listenership to know is that I'm by no means bound
Speaker 1: to one brander manufacturer. The big backpack full of full
Speaker 1: of loot I brought for you guys, there were like
Speaker 1: four different companies represented in that bag, So I'm not
Speaker 1: doing like a big push for one product specifically. In fact,
Speaker 1: you know, I want a bunch of you guys to
Speaker 1: try this product and then if it's not doing everything
Speaker 1: you wanted to do, let's swap it out and try
Speaker 1: something else. I mean, Otto pro is basically like an
Speaker 1: expert brokerage and customer service agency for your hearing long term.
Speaker 1: So like you have the sound gear FANTOM, if something breaks,
Speaker 1: you don't have to call that eight hundred number. You
Speaker 1: shoot me a text or an email, and myself or
Speaker 1: maybe Jennifer or somebody else on the team is going
Speaker 1: to reach out and be like, what's going on. I'll
Speaker 1: email you a prepaid UPS label. We'll get it turned
Speaker 1: around SAP. So it's out. O pro is built on
Speaker 1: a customer service basis where I am researching the globe
Speaker 1: for the coolest, best product. I brought a couple of
Speaker 1: things for you guys to try that aren't even rated
Speaker 1: in the US system for noise reduction yet, but I
Speaker 1: think they're pretty promising and you might really like them.
Speaker 1: How often do you go do like you did for
Speaker 1: our for us here? How often do you all to
Speaker 1: a place in Man? I've been to some cool places,
Speaker 1: and in reading your book, I kept thinking about this
Speaker 1: one really cool place where parents are raising their kids,
Speaker 1: like ideally, But anyway, I've traveled with some of the
Speaker 1: coolest gun clubs, shooting clubs, UM groups will call me,
Speaker 1: and of course I do some quick back of the
Speaker 1: Napkin math and I'm like, hey, do you have at
Speaker 1: least this many people interested? You know, I need a
Speaker 1: minimum sales amount to justify travel. Is it all gun
Speaker 1: people or is it other people to know it's it's guns,
Speaker 1: it's shooting, but it's also motorcycles. Music. I work with
Speaker 1: a lot of musicians because of my training in Nashville,
Speaker 1: I've got a lot of experience with in your monitors,
Speaker 1: and I can build out different cool products, Like for
Speaker 1: one of your camera guys, I've built out basically a
Speaker 1: dual driver in your monitor that can plug into his camera,
Speaker 1: but then also putting Matt gag. I didn't say it right.
Speaker 1: So also because that's one thing you've seen drive camera
Speaker 1: guys nuts going through the woods with the wires. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so like three all their bushes back. You know, that's
Speaker 1: in like this other product I made for you that
Speaker 1: has this specils she filter in it. I put that
Speaker 1: into his product as well, so that he can hear
Speaker 1: what you're saying in real life. He can hear leaves rustling,
Speaker 1: but then he's also plugged into his camera. You have
Speaker 1: to make a product called the camera dude. Let's call
Speaker 1: it the camera dude. I mean this is something that
Speaker 1: I'm just working with with my manufacturer to just custom
Speaker 1: build cool things. And then uh, and then I was complaining.
Speaker 1: Another thing that prompted us to have you come on
Speaker 1: talk about your services is I was saying how I
Speaker 1: had just gone to order a good swim ear plug
Speaker 1: and when I'm after to swim, anyone that suffers from
Speaker 1: where you you spend time in the water and then
Speaker 1: you have water your ear and it drives you little bonkers,
Speaker 1: or I've had and it's ever happened to people, But
Speaker 1: someone like kicks a fin close to your head or
Speaker 1: does a fast movement close to your head and pushes
Speaker 1: a wall of water, it's painful. Well, in your ear
Speaker 1: canals are quite bendy, as we found out with your
Speaker 1: Emerald impression process, so water can get trapped back there
Speaker 1: harder for it to run back. So I went online
Speaker 1: and bought some kind of like Joe Blow nineteen dollar
Speaker 1: thing and it made a big difference. But every time
Speaker 1: I get out of water, I'm missing one or both
Speaker 1: of them, and I would just tie them to the
Speaker 1: back of my mask and so I'd usually like recover
Speaker 1: them somehow, but they would never were they were when
Speaker 1: I started but I was having positive like I was.
Speaker 1: You call it body surfing my kids, right, and I
Speaker 1: had them in and UM made a big difference because
Speaker 1: I'm a really scared to do that kind of stuff
Speaker 1: because that sort of thing gets water my ears. But
Speaker 1: you made me a souped up one of those, and
Speaker 1: they're corded. And and now that I've got your ears
Speaker 1: molded in a digital file of that, if Heaven forbid
Speaker 1: you lose them, you just shoot me a message and
Speaker 1: I'll get you another set made, I don't have to
Speaker 1: mold your ears again, So that's nice. But you know
Speaker 1: one thing, you know, these custom products. I'm a big
Speaker 1: believer in custom for hearing protection, not just for comfort,
Speaker 1: but to achieve that perfect acoustic seal because any air
Speaker 1: leakage the sound waves can travel through. So to really
Speaker 1: protect you, I want you and custom ideally. But I
Speaker 1: also recognize that an entry price point of a couple
Speaker 1: of hundred bucks is not accessible to a lot of people.
Speaker 1: So one thing that I really took into account after
Speaker 1: meeting with you guys back here in March, I started
Speaker 1: really thinking, like, how do I create something that can
Speaker 1: be more accessible? You know, we said my job is
Speaker 1: to give you the most realistic tools that you'll actually wear.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to convince you to not shoot or hunt,
Speaker 1: nor do I want to, And you're not going to
Speaker 1: wear a full body armor to like have ideal hearing protection.
Speaker 1: So I started thinking, and I decided I can put
Speaker 1: these filters that are in this product I made for
Speaker 1: you where you can hear soft medium sounds great and
Speaker 1: then it blocks the blast of the gun. But those
Speaker 1: are out the door some odd bucks. I'm going to
Speaker 1: take that exact filter. This is going to be available
Speaker 1: beginning next month on my website, and I'm putting those
Speaker 1: into multiple size triple flange sleeves to make a universal
Speaker 1: fit version that's just fifty bucks, and then they're big.
Speaker 1: Plus they are upgradeable to custom later, so you could
Speaker 1: go to my website and you could order a custom
Speaker 1: fit sleeve later if you want to. If you want
Speaker 1: to save up, somebody get it. How do you get
Speaker 1: it molded? So I send that kit in the mail. No, no,
Speaker 1: because you can't do it yourself like I did it
Speaker 1: on you. So I've got this growing network right now,
Speaker 1: We're up to about a hundred and sixty providers across
Speaker 1: the country. And we're sourcing new clinics daily where I
Speaker 1: work with local audiologists to you down the street from
Speaker 1: wherever you live, and I talk with them, develop a
Speaker 1: relationship so that they know exactly how I want that
Speaker 1: molding process done, so we can communicate. You can check
Speaker 1: out on the website and then I send you the
Speaker 1: UPS label and facilitate that whole appointment locally for you
Speaker 1: to get your ears molden. One of the biggest reasons
Speaker 1: I wanted to get nice customs, which I now have
Speaker 1: owned for two hours. Um, I'm extremely lazy. I've gotten
Speaker 1: to the point where I'll go to the range and
Speaker 1: bring headphones, but I just won't do it. Maybe duck hunting.
Speaker 1: If I know it's gonna be a stellar day, I'll
Speaker 1: do it. But it still drives me nuts and I'll
Speaker 1: put headphones on. I've never found something that inspires me
Speaker 1: to do it. And my buddy Cal got some he
Speaker 1: said once he had him, and he's like, man, all
Speaker 1: that hassle, I'm definitely gonna wear him now like that
Speaker 1: like some pragmatics. Yeah, now he's now. Anytime you do
Speaker 1: anything with Cal, he's got those things hanging around his
Speaker 1: neck and he sticks him in and I just won't
Speaker 1: do it. And last year Garrett there did. He's got
Speaker 1: a little what's it called big, he had a big
Speaker 1: bastard bastard break on, that fat bastard break on shot
Speaker 1: three times. I kept thinking he was done shooting, and
Speaker 1: he kept shooting. Were like to I think I think
Speaker 1: it echoed off that pine tree. And I was sitting
Speaker 1: too close to you, and I didn't want to plug
Speaker 1: my ears because look at through my binocular. We both
Speaker 1: had our ear pro just sitting on our backpacks, you know,
Speaker 1: But it was typical thing. You're like, oh, we gotta
Speaker 1: move now, like we don't have time to put this in,
Speaker 1: and and you know, as I'm as, I'm like, I
Speaker 1: now consider myself your personal hearing coach. So you're here,
Speaker 1: we go. But as I'm as I'm talking to you guys,
Speaker 1: I'm really going to encourage you to try to wear
Speaker 1: these as much as you can, just to get used
Speaker 1: to them so that when you put them on and
Speaker 1: you're in the moment and you're in the hunt and
Speaker 1: you need to focus, I don't want you to have
Speaker 1: to remember in that moment, oh, I gotta put my
Speaker 1: ears in before I shoot because you're not going to remember.
Speaker 1: I'm committed to changing it because when I do, I've
Speaker 1: done two hearing tests. Each time I do a hearing test,
Speaker 1: the person conducting the hearing test says I'm a left
Speaker 1: handed shooter. I'll point out they say that in your
Speaker 1: right ear, which makes sense because that's the one tip
Speaker 1: towards the muzzle that I have hearing damage in my
Speaker 1: right ear. That is the type of hearing damage associated
Speaker 1: with like loud noises. So I know that I've whacked
Speaker 1: out my own ear. Yeah, absolutely, And I know that
Speaker 1: other people hear gobbles better than I do, a lot better. Well,
Speaker 1: I'll be to see, like you know, I'm I've thrown
Speaker 1: this this really high end technology at you guys to
Speaker 1: try as a starting point, but you might find that
Speaker 1: if you don't want to have to remember to charge something,
Speaker 1: then that's something we're gonna be talking about, like how
Speaker 1: these different features work for you, because I might need
Speaker 1: to swap it out for a simpler battery operated version,
Speaker 1: or you know, there's it's not a one size fits
Speaker 1: at Like you know, I don't want these listeners to
Speaker 1: be like, oh, I want whatever Chester has, or I
Speaker 1: want whatever Steve has because different people are gonna have
Speaker 1: different adoption rates for different technologies. I got an apology
Speaker 1: I gotta make to you. Okay, I want to mind
Speaker 1: read on the right. Do you remember this? And I said,
Speaker 1: because it'll be like I'm a boat red right returning.
Speaker 1: Do you know how's wrong? It's right. It's red right
Speaker 1: from the person looking at its stage right versus so
Speaker 1: your boat. If I'm the boat, the red is being
Speaker 1: my left and then you're looking at me and you
Speaker 1: think right. That's one of those situations where ignorance is bliss. Steve,
Speaker 1: just go with red right right. One of mine is
Speaker 1: red ones blue. I look, I'm like red right. I
Speaker 1: put that in my ear, and I know the other
Speaker 1: one that was red right too. Yeah. A lot of
Speaker 1: you guys did red blue. A lot of them did orange.
Speaker 1: I just did. There's you. I think you can't physically
Speaker 1: put the right one in the left ear. I mean
Speaker 1: you're gonna Yeah, that's so stupid. He did both red.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you why. Guy's never gonna figure it out.
Speaker 1: Tell you why. I lose things a lot, and I
Speaker 1: just wanted two things that I could see. I feel
Speaker 1: like the red sticks out a little more than the blue. Well,
Speaker 1: you're gonna be fiddling around by the time you get
Speaker 1: those in, the animals gonna be gone. You can just
Speaker 1: look and be like, oh, that one's right, that one's left.
Speaker 1: That might be a product you want to work into
Speaker 1: your fifty version, because the one I used to use
Speaker 1: a lot as a guide as I had those Howard
Speaker 1: light Um the band that would just sit on my
Speaker 1: neck and they're just those little foamies and then in
Speaker 1: the moment you can just you know, pop them in
Speaker 1: real quick. Anotherbody of mine has the little folmies that
Speaker 1: are on the cord and he ties them into his
Speaker 1: sunglasses that are He's always wearing them into the little flies. No.
Speaker 1: I mean, if if that's all you have, that can
Speaker 1: protect you really well, but it's just nobody wears them correctly.
Speaker 1: If I see someone wearing phonies correctly, it's like I
Speaker 1: want to go give him a high five. Listen, I've
Speaker 1: been preaching and carrying on your message about foamies since
Speaker 1: we last hung out. I bet you I've thinking at
Speaker 1: least a dozen people how to properly insert a phoney. Now,
Speaker 1: I love that because truly, at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: when people contact me through my website or social whatever.
Speaker 1: And if they're just not going to purchase anything else,
Speaker 1: then you know what, I'll at least show you how
Speaker 1: to wear foami or plugs correctly, and then eventually, when
Speaker 1: you're ready, you're going to come back and we'll work
Speaker 1: something out. But like my job is to help people
Speaker 1: protect their hearing. Everybody a hot tip right now, help
Speaker 1: him out there. You're gonna pull up that foamire plug
Speaker 1: to be just as narrow and skinny as you can
Speaker 1: tight tight. You're gonna pull back on the on the
Speaker 1: back of your ear to straighten out your ear canal,
Speaker 1: and then put it in just as far as you
Speaker 1: can stand it. You should like cough or not, because
Speaker 1: you would never do that with a Q tip. But
Speaker 1: you do that, you're wondering, like will I be able
Speaker 1: to grab the tip of it to pull it back?
Speaker 1: Will you will know? But in thou But the thing is,
Speaker 1: you got to be patient. You can't just let go
Speaker 1: real quick. You gotta hold it in that position to
Speaker 1: let it fully expand so that'll stay put. Because with
Speaker 1: those foamies, as you move your jaw around as you
Speaker 1: mount your gun, you're moving your head around it's gonna
Speaker 1: wiggle its way out. It's constantly kind of moving in there.
Speaker 1: It's amazing the difference when you do it right, that
Speaker 1: is how I used to do it. Yeah, yeah, well yeah,
Speaker 1: I always do it in the way that since I
Speaker 1: take one step, it's gone. The only the only problem
Speaker 1: with that is you do not have enough time to
Speaker 1: put those in in most applications in hunting, unless you're
Speaker 1: like duck hunting. You can like plan ahead, but you
Speaker 1: don't want to blow a duck call in solid ear plugs, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, Shawn like that you can't tell what's going on. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: you want to be able to hear your duck call.
Speaker 1: And so even with these electronics where I get the
Speaker 1: I get the best response from my duck hunters with
Speaker 1: these electronics because they can still here. Because they can
Speaker 1: still here. But you still have to practice. Like some
Speaker 1: of my best duck calling clients have coached people to
Speaker 1: record themselves calling with and without the hearing protection in
Speaker 1: because we talked about this a little bit earlier. It's
Speaker 1: almost like a musical instrument. Um, I can play my
Speaker 1: eighth grade piano recital piece from just muscle memory, but
Speaker 1: if I'm learning a new song, it's auditory. You know,
Speaker 1: you're really paying attention to how it sounds. And with
Speaker 1: a lot of duck callers, it's a mix of those
Speaker 1: two things, and so you're you really need to get
Speaker 1: the muscle memory part down so that meanwhile you're still
Speaker 1: going to hear it through the ear plugs. It's not
Speaker 1: it's never going to sound the same. And that's a
Speaker 1: I mean, that's something that that was a way that
Speaker 1: I got to be, not just like a tall herbal
Speaker 1: or decent duck caller, but to get to be a
Speaker 1: real advanced duck caller is to record yourself and hear
Speaker 1: yourself from a different perspective, because it's never the same
Speaker 1: as how it sounds right here. The same thing with
Speaker 1: playing music. Yeah, yeah, you gotta record yourself into it back.
Speaker 1: And by the way, duck calls can get up to
Speaker 1: twenty decibles. So when you talk about you can damage
Speaker 1: your ears blown a duck call, absolutely sure I have.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think duck duck hunters are some of
Speaker 1: the most at risk because you are you're down in
Speaker 1: those sometimes like a metal pit blind you're blowing duck
Speaker 1: calls and then you're shooting a lot and somebody's all
Speaker 1: of a sudden shooting over your head close to somebody. Yeah,
Speaker 1: tell us how bad my hearing is and how good
Speaker 1: sets hearing? All right, you're hearing. We did a quick
Speaker 1: test before the podcast started. I'm not going to say
Speaker 1: I was surprised by your hearing test results though, honestly,
Speaker 1: I mean you've you've got a forty four year old
Speaker 1: that's done some shooting, some construction. All right, I'll show everyone.
Speaker 1: All right, this is honest is hearing tests. Uh, we're
Speaker 1: just going to assume that you've signed all the Hippo
Speaker 1: releases and I can talk about your medical hearing on
Speaker 1: the on the podcast, But you want everything to be
Speaker 1: above that black horizontal line you see there. And this
Speaker 1: this is this is an audiogram. It's arranged from left
Speaker 1: to right based to trouble like a piano keyboard. Top
Speaker 1: of the graph is really soft sounds, and then it
Speaker 1: gets louder and louder as you move down the graph.
Speaker 1: So these are your hearing thresholds. The softest sounds that
Speaker 1: you could detect were present. And so you can see
Speaker 1: in your left ear, which is blue in some of
Speaker 1: these higher pitches down his shooting ear is way down
Speaker 1: and the high yeah, and we would call this a
Speaker 1: noise notch from shooting, where like the those are the
Speaker 1: hair cells that we talked about earlier that have been
Speaker 1: the most damaged, and you've got some that's so wrong
Speaker 1: you might have to edit that out. That was so wrong. Um,
Speaker 1: you don't even try to be politically interesting. Goes back
Speaker 1: up like that's the that's the notch components. So a
Speaker 1: lot of times with with a with a blast, or
Speaker 1: like if a musician has like a big feedback exposure,
Speaker 1: it'll present as a notch where yeah, yeah, and you'll
Speaker 1: see a little bit of the left one is worse
Speaker 1: than the right. The left is worse, just barely breaks
Speaker 1: the lines. That should be a way where you can
Speaker 1: prove how much shooting you do. All right, this is seth.
Speaker 1: Look at that word he hears those gobbles beautiful dares
Speaker 1: where I hear the gobbles Where that one goes up
Speaker 1: like you wouldn't believe. I mean, he has excellent hearing
Speaker 1: and he's that jumpy, so he doesn't do false alarms.
Speaker 1: Is he younger than everybody? Let me ester, can you
Speaker 1: will you be able to send us those pictures? I
Speaker 1: can send them to you for sure, Chester, you're doing
Speaker 1: pretty good too. Everything's above the line. Left and right
Speaker 1: here are about the same. You can hear a wallet.
Speaker 1: Was I the closest to set? I think I was
Speaker 1: probably Sean, you're good too, I mean, you're look at that.
Speaker 1: I was really surprised by here. He is always acting
Speaker 1: like he hunts a lot of ducks. But the figures,
Speaker 1: did he honest go lower than I did? Then Garrett's
Speaker 1: got a bad shooting. Do let me see here? Hold
Speaker 1: on a sec Scarrett, Oh, yours is pretty bad. There's
Speaker 1: Garrett left here left ear down that body. That's a
Speaker 1: three gun shooter for you. Yeah, that's a that's that's
Speaker 1: like an AD. Yeah, that's an AD for muzzle brakes. Man.
Speaker 1: You're right here still looks really good, and you just
Speaker 1: want to make sure you protect what you've got, you know,
Speaker 1: like you can you can hold this steady if you
Speaker 1: can be really intentional out. But that shouldn't be only
Speaker 1: directed at Garrett and I just because we're already at
Speaker 1: a sad pointing. Those that have great hearing should be
Speaker 1: even more. We're all about, like I want to prevent
Speaker 1: and delay the problems that I spent so many years
Speaker 1: treating clinically because it is so preventable, and so much
Speaker 1: of the medical communities, like OH treat early with hearing aids.
Speaker 1: Hearing aids earlier. Well, I mean, the hearing aid industry
Speaker 1: is what it is. I say, move away, get out
Speaker 1: from under the dollar signs of the hearing it industry.
Speaker 1: If we want to be the hearing healthcare experts, we
Speaker 1: got to go to where people are, get out in
Speaker 1: front of the problem, start the relationship with an audiologist
Speaker 1: and a hearing care professional before the problem starts. As
Speaker 1: I was saying, where is your graph? Here's the thing.
Speaker 1: Did you want to finish the test? He did? I
Speaker 1: think he cheated. I think he cheated the system. This
Speaker 1: this this because I did better on that than I
Speaker 1: did on my other two hearing tests, which your other
Speaker 1: two hearing tests. It sounds like we're in the legit
Speaker 1: sound booth, the full diagnostic hearing test. And they were alarmed.
Speaker 1: They were just saying, you have some What I brought you, guys,
Speaker 1: is a hearing screening tool that's built into a headset.
Speaker 1: And while it does a very good job and I've
Speaker 1: seen some good consistent results, it's not as as definitive
Speaker 1: as what's going to be in a sound booth. Just
Speaker 1: as you say you can't trust a skinny chef, I
Speaker 1: don't think you could trust like someone in the hunting
Speaker 1: industry and it doesn't have some hearing laws. Ah, I'll
Speaker 1: leave it at that. You're very then you're very trustworthy.
Speaker 1: As I was saying, you're never going to invite me back,
Speaker 1: because no, no, no, you come back the minute you
Speaker 1: make the turkey gobbl thing. He's just mad at me.
Speaker 1: Now I'm just mad at Yanni. You've been great, You're
Speaker 1: gonna make the turkey gobbl thing. I just wanted to
Speaker 1: clarify a point I have like nothing in the game here.
Speaker 1: You came to provide a service to equip us with
Speaker 1: the hearing protection friend of a friend of a friend introduced. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I learned so much and liked it. I have concern
Speaker 1: for other shooters. I know how frustrating is to not
Speaker 1: hear gobbles when other people can hear the gobbles or
Speaker 1: elk bugles, what have you? And uh, I feel like
Speaker 1: people should um because you're you know, you're fun to
Speaker 1: hang out with, you know all the terminology, you've got
Speaker 1: the product line. People should call up and get some
Speaker 1: freaking ear plugs. Thank you. I appreciate that Pro Technologies
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Speaker 1: My parents will appreciate it. Whose maiden name was Grace Score.
Speaker 1: My maiden name was Gray Score. Grace stirred event. You
Speaker 1: can call me otto pro Grace, Grace. I'll go. I'll
Speaker 1: be like share from man. Just call me Grace is Tennessee, Hey,
Speaker 1: not that long ago two thousand seven seven? Oh sorry,
Speaker 1: someone said I thought, how old you think? I don't
Speaker 1: answer that. No, we're talking about ninety was one that
Speaker 1: eellows don't peaked. Apparently I need to up my skincare
Speaker 1: regime already. I want to say it, but it's already
Speaker 1: happen to you call it. No, I really appreciate you
Speaker 1: guys having me. Never did I dream when I started
Speaker 1: this little business at my kitchen table in that I'd
Speaker 1: be sitting here with a national audience in this big network.
Speaker 1: And actually, I truly believe that I'm helping to change
Speaker 1: the conversation about hearing protection. So thank you to close.
Speaker 1: Yanni hit him with a far off bugle, wanna be
Speaker 1: able to hear that. Get some earplugs. You gotta reply.
Speaker 1: Can I give you something to read on the air.
Speaker 1: I think it's a great closing, very short. That's Phil
Speaker 1: at this point, Phil, all right. This is Jennifer who
Speaker 1: works with Otto Pro. She's our client coordinator. Hers on
Speaker 1: one of those kind of papers. Her son is such
Speaker 1: a huge fan of all of you guys. He knows
Speaker 1: all your names. He was so just I mean, he
Speaker 1: couldn't believe that I was coming here, and he went
Speaker 1: by their house to pick up something, handed me this
Speaker 1: to give to you, and I thought it was so
Speaker 1: well written. Okay, I'm reading from one of these pieces
Speaker 1: of papers. The piece of paper, kids, get where it's
Speaker 1: got all the lines so you can make your penmanship perfect.
Speaker 1: Dear Mr Steve Alex guy already. I love your TV shows.
Speaker 1: My favorite shows about bow fishing. I have never done that,
Speaker 1: but I hope I get to do that one day.
Speaker 1: I like to hunt and fish so I can be
Speaker 1: like my dad and grandfather. Listen to Miss Grace, so
Speaker 1: you can keep teaching me a few things. Keep keep
Speaker 1: teaching me new things. That's great. From Liam Stewart Age seven,
Speaker 1: and he included his address. Yes you want to send
Speaker 1: him a book, the line about listen to Miss Grace
Speaker 1: so you can keep teaching me. I think that's pretty sweet.
Speaker 1: All right, guys, thank you for tuning in. Thank you