Speaker 1: He is drinks chests, motherfucking podcast makes He's a legendary
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Speaker 2: He ain't agree.
Speaker 1: That's your boy in O R E.
Speaker 3: He's a Miami hip hop pioneer put up as d
Speaker 3: J e f N.
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Speaker 1: Drink up, motherfucker?
Speaker 2: Would good be you hoping this would have stupid? This
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Speaker 2: DJ e f N. This is Militopa crazy wore drink Champs.
Speaker 1: Ye.
Speaker 2: When me and e f N started this show, got
Speaker 2: together and we said, we want to give flowers, we
Speaker 2: want to give props, we want to give love to
Speaker 2: the people who came way before us.
Speaker 5: You know, to the icons. To literally if.
Speaker 2: This man that we're about to introduce right now, if
Speaker 2: it wasn't for him, this show wouldn't exist, DJs wouldn't exist,
Speaker 2: Hit records wouldn't exist.
Speaker 5: This man has been there, He is is all and
Speaker 5: is all.
Speaker 2: Legendary icon, they said, the first time you ever heard
Speaker 2: of a scratch period in hip hop, it was his fingers.
Speaker 2: We're gonna make sure we get a fingerprint of his
Speaker 2: fingers today. He is a legend of a legend. We
Speaker 2: are so when we started this show seven years ago,
Speaker 2: we wanted to give this man his flowers so bad
Speaker 2: and we are so happy today. Me and EFN as
Speaker 2: been like, this is Christmas, even though it is a
Speaker 2: New Year's gift for you motherfuckers, this is Christmas for
Speaker 2: me and e FN because we we're gonna start this
Speaker 2: out with the flowers. Is the flowers here? We we
Speaker 2: we we we we go right into it.
Speaker 6: We don't stop theself.
Speaker 1: You know what, why we do the flowers. This is
Speaker 1: why we get the flowers. It's in case you don't
Speaker 1: know who the fuck we're talking about.
Speaker 2: We're talking about the one.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we are so happy to have you here, and
Speaker 2: I'm so happy that you're you're like crazy because you
Speaker 2: got you got.
Speaker 5: Notes, you have got back. I think it's the only
Speaker 5: people who came with notes.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna key.
Speaker 1: Yes, you know I didn't think mathematically and with science.
Speaker 1: That's that's pretty much how I do things.
Speaker 7: You know what I'm.
Speaker 2: Okay, so we're gonna start this off. We're gonna start
Speaker 2: so I'm gonna get straight to it. Did you ever
Speaker 2: do cocaine?
Speaker 1: James? No, actually, Rick James. Rick James was a musical mentor.
Speaker 1: Okay to me. Okay, so this is what I mean
Speaker 1: by that. We were on tour and our tour buss
Speaker 1: busses were close together, and I seen Rick and Rick
Speaker 1: sat me down and said, the records you got is
Speaker 1: really big, man. You're publishing should be huge. Wow you
Speaker 1: I said, you didn't know about publishing.
Speaker 2: At this time.
Speaker 1: I said, what is it I thought about I thought
Speaker 1: it was a book.
Speaker 5: You didn't say what is published?
Speaker 1: Publishing? Yeah, because books are publisher So me and Rick
Speaker 1: were talking. He broke it down to me what it was.
Speaker 1: So when we got back home from the tour, you know,
Speaker 1: I went to the the first five tour, the Grand
Speaker 1: Master Fest, went back to the office and I started
Speaker 1: asking questions.
Speaker 7: So let's just.
Speaker 1: Say, you know, things got a little rocky. You know,
Speaker 1: things is got a little strange because you got realized
Speaker 1: coming from the hood and doing this thing in the streets,
Speaker 1: we was kings. You know what I'm saying that going
Speaker 1: to the record business. We know what this ship was,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? So, uh, let's just say
Speaker 1: you me going too long into the story. Things started
Speaker 1: to get really really strange because you could be an
Speaker 1: expert of what you do in the streets, but getting
Speaker 1: in the record business, there's there's so many legal factors.
Speaker 1: There's so many things that you don't understand how it works,
Speaker 1: and it works in layers legal this, that that. That
Speaker 1: uh got really rocky after that, And I just want
Speaker 1: to say that thank God that I had so many
Speaker 1: people that loved me then, that loved me now and
Speaker 1: understand that I am one of the architects mathematically and
Speaker 1: scientifically of this culture. Absolutely, so with or without records,
Speaker 1: I still would have been here, you know so. But
Speaker 1: for me, I could honestly say I didn't have a
Speaker 1: fucking clue about the record business at that time. Who
Speaker 1: Rick put us onto the record business, put me on
Speaker 1: about certain things, how published it works, this and that
Speaker 1: and that. And then when I asked the questions.
Speaker 5: Did you hear about warranties back then?
Speaker 1: Yes, I heard roughly about royalties, but the publish that
Speaker 1: they didn't have a clue about that, you know so,
Speaker 1: and there was a lot of other business factors that
Speaker 1: I didn't know about. Uh, to find out about it
Speaker 1: late in the game, shit got really ugly, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean.
Speaker 7: That's pretty much.
Speaker 3: And it's crazy that even it's early in the game
Speaker 3: that you got in in terms of hip hop being monetized,
Speaker 3: and still it took decades, almost a decade or more
Speaker 3: for hip hop to get hit to the publishing game
Speaker 3: and the and the and the legalities of the industry
Speaker 3: and how the industry was working.
Speaker 1: Right, like for example, me being the first human sampler.
Speaker 1: Like even the lawyers at that time couldn't figure out
Speaker 1: this division of music is taking a portion of an
Speaker 1: existing composition and they and they're inserting it into a
Speaker 1: new composition. How do we quantify that? The music business
Speaker 1: couldn't figure out even how to quantify it. And it
Speaker 1: got down to the point where they finally got smart,
Speaker 1: even James Brown's Huh, you had to pay royalties on
Speaker 1: it if you asserted it into a new composition called
Speaker 1: the sampling.
Speaker 2: Okay, come on, because we had I think we had
Speaker 2: someone on here and they said that Molly was the
Speaker 2: first person to sample on record. But you're saying you're
Speaker 2: the first person in the sample period.
Speaker 1: He invented. What I actually invented was sampling. Okay, what
Speaker 1: I actually invented is human sampling. I took a particular
Speaker 1: area of the existing composition, preferably the area where there
Speaker 1: was no singing, just the drummer and maybe light accompaniment
Speaker 1: might be the drummer in the bassis, the drummer in
Speaker 1: the throw this. And when I did this with two
Speaker 1: copies of record, this particular area of the song was
Speaker 1: ten seconds long.
Speaker 7: That pissed me to fuck off.
Speaker 1: So I had to figure out the way, how can
Speaker 1: I take this ten seconds from this? Pop rock, jazz,
Speaker 1: blue funk, disco, R and B, alternative, Caribbean Latin this
Speaker 1: one particular section and elongated just enough so that the
Speaker 1: breakers could have a steady beat to dance on. Later,
Speaker 1: it became the music bed for the rapper to speak on.
Speaker 1: Today they called it rap. Back then, we called it
Speaker 1: him singing. I gotta.
Speaker 5: But by way go ahead, because we still didn't get
Speaker 5: a yes and no.
Speaker 1: If you sniffed copd no, no you never said yes.
Speaker 3: I know, but but I know because I feel like
Speaker 3: we're jumping a little bit further than I would want
Speaker 3: to because I go back.
Speaker 1: I want to go back.
Speaker 7: Let's go back.
Speaker 3: What's you because you started as you were a kid,
Speaker 3: we started doing this. So who's around you? What does
Speaker 3: influenced you? What is happening and shaping hip hop at
Speaker 3: this time? Where are you at when when Hirk's doing
Speaker 3: the parties? Like, where is this all beginning for you?
Speaker 7: My beginning was.
Speaker 1: My father was an avid collective of records, but he's
Speaker 1: his main job was a track repairman in New York
Speaker 1: for the subway.
Speaker 7: Wow, my dad had this closet.
Speaker 1: And the rules in the Saddler house was this, never
Speaker 1: go in that closet where Dad's music lives, and do
Speaker 1: not go into the living room where the brown box lived.
Speaker 1: And as a single digit toddler, I was wondering, why
Speaker 1: is that Dad would come home, Mama feed and his dinner,
Speaker 1: he'd gave this alcoholic beverage. He would go to this
Speaker 1: closet and he will open this closet and e there
Speaker 1: was these square things with art on it, a train, flowers, people,
Speaker 1: picture of a can. I'm wondering.
Speaker 7: What is he going to do with that?
Speaker 1: And inside this square thing he pulls out this black
Speaker 1: circular thing. I wasn't allowed in the living room unless
Speaker 1: I was accompanied by an adult. He's an adult, So
Speaker 1: I follow him into the living room where the brown
Speaker 1: box lives. He pulls out this circular, brown black thing.
Speaker 1: He puts it inside this brown box and this arm
Speaker 1: thing goes up. The record goes down as the sound
Speaker 1: comes out of the brown box. I thought my dad
Speaker 1: was a fucking magician. How could he pull this off?
Speaker 1: I say to myself. I say to myself, guys, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna watch that. Dad comes home about box six o'clock.
Speaker 1: Mom feeds food, he goes over with the closet. I'm
Speaker 1: following him for a couple of weeks. Now, I said
Speaker 1: to myself when he was at work, hmm, what if
Speaker 1: I when so I went to the kitchen, got a chair,
Speaker 1: dragged it over to the closet because the knob is
Speaker 1: kind of high. Turn the knob, open it.
Speaker 7: I see many of.
Speaker 1: These square things in this closet. I I grabbed the
Speaker 1: nearest one. Now. Remember now, I've been watching him the routine.
Speaker 1: So I take the nearest square one. I pull out
Speaker 1: this circular thing. I go over to the brown box.
Speaker 1: I watched him do the routine. How you press the button.
Speaker 1: He puts it on this stick thing. It sits up,
Speaker 1: the arm goes up, the vinyl goes down. Was it
Speaker 1: called vinyl? Do you know what it was called? The
Speaker 1: arm goes down? Music comes out of there. I'm dancing
Speaker 1: in the living room. Mom comes in the living room
Speaker 1: and says, Dad, am I allowed to say? Yeah? Whatever? Dad, Well,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna use was because moms didn't curse God wrestler.
Speaker 1: So Dad's gonna tear your backside up. So I'm getting
Speaker 1: your wrisk. I'm taking a black thing off. I'm putting
Speaker 1: it back into the square. I think I'm going back
Speaker 1: to the closet, and I put it in the closet.
Speaker 1: I close the door. I'm scared as fuck. All right,
Speaker 1: Dad comes home, He does the routine. He goes to
Speaker 1: the closet, He opens the closet. We're all home. Violet,
Speaker 1: come here, Cometta, Penny, Lily, little Joe who was in
Speaker 1: my closet, Violet, which I think was his favorite. Oh Dad,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't message your records. And Committa said
Speaker 1: I don't. I got my own records. And Penny, He's
Speaker 1: like no. And Lily was too young. She was the
Speaker 1: youngest saw by the time he's getting to me, I'm
Speaker 1: like this. I get my heine hand, I get my
Speaker 1: dinner fit to me. I have to go to bed early.
Speaker 1: Now I have to figure out not when he comes
Speaker 1: home from work, but when he leaves. So my dad
Speaker 1: had his pouch because he was attract me, and he
Speaker 1: had on his tools, and I can hear the pouch
Speaker 1: go over his shoulder, clink, the door opens up, the
Speaker 1: door slams. I wait, I go back in the kitchen.
Speaker 1: I get the chair, I drag it over the closet.
Speaker 1: I pull out the nearest one. After a while, it
Speaker 1: was like me getting my hindee tanned and my dad
Speaker 1: just not being able to stop me doing this. Eventually,
Speaker 1: Dad left left Mom to take care of all of us.
Speaker 1: I come from the projects twenty seven to thirty two Avenue.
Speaker 1: I was on welfare, the food stamps, the whole nine yards.
Speaker 1: You know, moms had to take care of us. I
Speaker 1: still hadn't understood where the music was coming from. Mom
Speaker 1: was a seamstress. When Mom wasn't looking, I went into
Speaker 1: her plastic needle case and I grabbed the needle.
Speaker 7: I grabbed this needle.
Speaker 1: I turned the stereo partially on so that the arm
Speaker 1: went and go up, and I took the needle and
Speaker 1: I put it down on the black disc. I felt
Speaker 1: vibration coming through my fingers. Oh, the music lives in
Speaker 1: the black tunnels. From this point on, I got goosebumps.
Speaker 2: My nigga, hold on, I'm sorry, man, this is getting
Speaker 2: real goo ahead.
Speaker 1: From this point on, I figured out where the music
Speaker 1: was coming from. As I got older, I now wanted
Speaker 1: to I just could not understand. How is it? What
Speaker 1: is that little red light when Dad pushes his button,
Speaker 1: and everything in the house that was operable, let's say,
Speaker 1: was being plugged into this thing into the wall. I'm like,
Speaker 1: what are these two little holes? And how are things happening? So,
Speaker 1: as a young teenager, I was unscrewing the back of everything,
Speaker 1: the stereo in the living room, the table radio, my
Speaker 1: my sister's hair dryers, and the whole shit. I became
Speaker 1: public enemy number one in my crib. If the hair
Speaker 1: dry didn't work, body was saying yo at the table
Speaker 1: radio didn't work, the stereo didn't work, the TV didn't work.
Speaker 1: Because when I opened up the backyarll, I seen these
Speaker 1: things that look like light bulbs in the back, I'm like,
Speaker 1: what are these things? When I opened up the hair
Speaker 1: dry I would see these little, tiny, different color objects
Speaker 1: in it. My mom said, listen, you have to stop
Speaker 1: doing this. I'm going to have to send you somewhere
Speaker 1: that you can so that you can understand what it
Speaker 1: is that you are doing, because you're taking apart this stuff,
Speaker 1: but you can't put it back together. She sent me
Speaker 1: to Samuel Gofi's loo case doing technical high school, and
Speaker 1: this is where I learned about Tesla, Westinghouse Banneker.
Speaker 7: Nicola.
Speaker 1: This is where I learned about amplitude modulation AM, frequency
Speaker 1: modulation FM, solid state versus vacuum tubes. What is her
Speaker 1: own meter? What is a signal generator? These are the
Speaker 1: things that you diagnose circuits. What is the bread board?
Speaker 1: What is a resistant? What is the capacitor? What is
Speaker 1: a transformer? What is a step up step down transformer?
Speaker 1: What is a diode?
Speaker 7: What is a tube?
Speaker 1: Now I got to understand what these things was and
Speaker 1: how they worked. So once I understood what Tesla did,
Speaker 1: which is alternating current, and Edison did direct current. Now
Speaker 1: behind the projects of the Throws, next project behind twenty
Speaker 1: seven thirty Dewe Avenue there was a junkyard people throughout
Speaker 1: the stereos, burned out cars, burned out.
Speaker 7: Stuff was back there.
Speaker 1: So now e and NORII, I'm dragging this stuff inside
Speaker 1: the grib. My moms, my sisters is like, what are
Speaker 1: you doing. I started to understand how I could take
Speaker 1: this piece from here and this piece from here and
Speaker 1: this piece from here, and started building my own amplifier
Speaker 1: to build my speakers. I had to understand how they work.
Speaker 1: You had your own speakers, right, I built my own speakers,
Speaker 1: so listen to me. Can'tflee gods.
Speaker 7: We get ready to go. We get ready to go
Speaker 7: to the rabbit hole. I didn't do this on any
Speaker 7: other show.
Speaker 5: Difference between you and her is that you had your
Speaker 5: own speakers.
Speaker 1: That he had a pretty pretty silence. So my system
Speaker 1: was shipped. So it's a difference. But here's the difference.
Speaker 8: With me.
Speaker 1: I had to figure out how the speaker works. So
Speaker 1: I say my way was math and science. So math
Speaker 1: is bars how to count them fronts and backwards. This
Speaker 1: is what DJs do, right. The science is kinetic energy.
Speaker 1: And here's how I went about understanding.
Speaker 5: That's why we're gonna be a DJ. I ain't that
Speaker 5: some mark.
Speaker 1: When you put the vinyl on the platter and you
Speaker 1: allow it to spin up to speed, and you put
Speaker 1: the needle on the vinyl. The move of air, it
Speaker 1: is connectic energy out of the turntable, goes into the receiver.
Speaker 1: It becomes electrical energy. Out of the back of the receiver,
Speaker 1: it goes through the speakers that returns back to connectic energy.
Speaker 1: That's science. There are those and I look at Wikipedia.
Speaker 1: I'm so angry at them. I came up with this
Speaker 1: of building a amplifier and human samping from no one.
Speaker 7: My mom taught me what.
Speaker 1: The value of a needle was, and my father, kicking
Speaker 1: my ass, taught me the value of what final was.
Speaker 1: Samuel gomp has taught me how to put it all together.
Speaker 1: So when I go up on the turntables. This is
Speaker 1: what made me fall in love with DJ and the
Speaker 1: disco DJ yo E, my Boya, Larry Levan, Grandmaster Flowers,
Speaker 1: P DJ Jones. When they play, they don't play like us,
Speaker 1: but they blend, and they might be between two records
Speaker 1: for fucking five minutes, and I'm like watching them, and
Speaker 1: I'm watching them here and the other record arriving while
Speaker 1: the other one is departing, I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: these people are amazing on what they do. But you
Speaker 1: and I we have a shorter runway. So I had
Speaker 1: to figure out how to connect a short runway and
Speaker 1: a short amount of time. The right way to DJ
Speaker 1: is picking up their tone arm and putting it down
Speaker 1: and letting the record play. That's the way a lot
Speaker 1: of the DJs played before me, the ones that weren't
Speaker 1: weren't disco DJs. It is absolutely impossible to pick the
Speaker 1: tone of them up and drop it back down on
Speaker 1: the beat and keep the floor rocking. It's impossible. P
Speaker 1: DJ Jones gave me a turn when I met him.
Speaker 1: He says, people that cannot keep the beat on time,
Speaker 1: it's called train wreck DJ in I did not want
Speaker 1: to be that, so I had to figure out how
Speaker 1: like the DJs would play the turntable, the vinyl, and
Speaker 1: the mixer the right way. By the time I figured
Speaker 1: out how to do this, I had to play the vinyl,
Speaker 1: the mixer, and the turntable the wrong way. This is
Speaker 1: the way that me and you play. It's called the
Speaker 1: quick mix. I grew up in a home where it
Speaker 1: was pop, rock, jazz, blues, funk, disco, R and B, alternative,
Speaker 1: Latin Caribbean, jazz, all of it. So where I come from,
Speaker 1: music has no color. Dope music is just dope music.
Speaker 1: So now, when I listened to Curtis Mayfield song called
Speaker 1: move On Up that Break, and that song was made
Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy, I would notice when when my mom's
Speaker 1: or my cousins giving house parties, when a drum part came,
Speaker 1: the high knees will move more. So in my mind,
Speaker 1: I said to myself, that's the best part.
Speaker 7: Of the record.
Speaker 1: But when I thought I listening to other records, I
Speaker 1: noticed that that part was incredibly short. That made me
Speaker 1: so fucking angry. And that's when I had to figure out,
Speaker 1: how can I take this part thatst like five ten
Speaker 1: seconds and e law gated ten minutes seamlessly, so the
Speaker 1: people on the dance floor wouldn't have a clue of
Speaker 1: what I was even.
Speaker 7: Doing. No other DJ gave me this inspiration.
Speaker 1: The disco DJs taught me the law of being a
Speaker 1: DJ respectfully for people who's on the dance floor, heads
Speaker 1: should go like this. If you're playing good Times, heads
Speaker 1: should go like that. If you're playing Queen, heads should
Speaker 1: go like that if you're playing jay Z, heads should
Speaker 1: go like that.
Speaker 7: If you're playing.
Speaker 1: Drake, DJ should not be hold on okay, head should
Speaker 1: not when the DJ transition. Head should not be going
Speaker 1: like this trying to find a beat that is breaking
Speaker 1: the law of transition DJAN.
Speaker 2: And that's where my ship comes from, right Is DJ
Speaker 2: Hollywood considered a DJ just because DJ When I met.
Speaker 1: Hollywood, he was bigger than disco and he was actually
Speaker 1: king in the discos and he was actually one of
Speaker 1: the first DJs I seen that was able to have
Speaker 1: four or five parties in one night, like we would
Speaker 1: set out, set out equipment up and play form nine
Speaker 1: to four and the gymnasium or whatever whatever. This motherfucker
Speaker 1: was playing eleven o'clock at Club one in Manhattan and
Speaker 1: then maybe twelve to one in Brooklyn, Club two, and
Speaker 1: then Club three. Is that lowland? This montherfuckers getting kk
Speaker 1: Kate Kate Kate Kate. I considered him like one of
Speaker 1: the smartest in the game at that time because he
Speaker 1: got five he got five checks. He was doing this shit,
Speaker 1: but he was he was doing it disco, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Because said disco. Yeah, I know, we bouncing around a
Speaker 5: little bit.
Speaker 2: What is the what is the term?
Speaker 1: When's the first time you heard the term.
Speaker 6: Mc in.
Speaker 1: The first time I heard the term mc in? That's
Speaker 1: when I took the microphone.
Speaker 7: All right. I was playing in sixty three park Frox.
Speaker 1: Steve jaying. People were looking at the table. What its
Speaker 1: his magic? Tricking that shit he's doing. I needed somebody
Speaker 1: to take the attention off of me. I'll put a
Speaker 1: microphone on the other side of the table, Norrie and
Speaker 1: anybody that I could talk to. This new style of
Speaker 1: djy in lots of motherfuckers was whack. But it was
Speaker 1: this one guy that I eventually met. His name was
Speaker 1: Keith Wiggins. Street name is Cowboy, Keith Cowboy, Keith Cowboy.
Speaker 1: If I played Apache or play whatever, he had a
Speaker 1: way of having the crowd. I call it hip hop aerobics.
Speaker 1: Almost he had him here. So now, ain't a shy
Speaker 1: geek person that I was. I can't go into my
Speaker 1: collection and go in because Cowboy go and stay with me.
Speaker 1: I asked him, do you want to say me so
Speaker 1: we could go to different park to different areas to
Speaker 1: do this, and he said why not. That's the first
Speaker 1: time I heard am saying.
Speaker 2: Okay, let me interrupt you a little bit, because all right,
Speaker 2: but what are you playing? If this record wasn't made,
Speaker 2: what are you actually d.
Speaker 1: I'm playing Apache, I'm playing Rufus Thomas. I'm playing an
Speaker 1: incredible bob Go band. I'm playing oh Man. I'm playing
Speaker 1: Curtis Mayfield. I'm playing all early Man Drill. I'm playing
Speaker 1: early Barrier White. I'm playing I'm in my I'm in
Speaker 1: my head right now because I want to establish this.
Speaker 5: I want to establish this for all the listeners listening.
Speaker 2: You're saying the very first hip hop parties.
Speaker 1: Didn't play hip hop. What he was doing was eventually
Speaker 1: just think about thinking about the lagic of what you're
Speaker 1: just saying, like, because this is a hip hop Remember
Speaker 1: hip hop isn't just the music of it.
Speaker 2: But we're still think and we still got this hip
Speaker 2: hip hop the wrapping side of its developing. When he
Speaker 2: came out, actually wasn't playing hip hop.
Speaker 1: And now see this is where we different.
Speaker 7: So the question is this what was hip hop back then?
Speaker 1: Hip hop was a regurgitation of using songs that already
Speaker 1: exist exactly. Some of our dopest songs were white records
Speaker 1: and black records and foreign records. On American records, they
Speaker 1: were R and B. They would disco, they were jazz,
Speaker 1: they were Latin, they were but we had to find
Speaker 1: that little So when I started playing, I can remember
Speaker 1: guys that used to use what I call heavy on
Speaker 1: the toe arm type DJ N and as Pete would say,
Speaker 1: trade records. I was probably the most hated DJ during
Speaker 1: this time. It's because connoiseus are very careful about how
Speaker 1: they handle their record, like newborn baby, say, take it
Speaker 1: out of the white sleeve, right, and they carefully put
Speaker 1: it on the turntable, and they're very careful with it.
Speaker 1: When they finished with it, they take it out off
Speaker 1: the turntable, he put it back into the white paper
Speaker 1: and they carefully put it into the jacket. Me I
Speaker 1: took copies of the motherfucking record and just slammed it
Speaker 1: in one jacket. I was putting crayon marks or in
Speaker 1: the whole shit so it could mark, so I could
Speaker 1: mark the bricks because I played in dark places and
Speaker 1: I had to be able to find it immediately, which
Speaker 1: remember our runway was really short. So when people found
Speaker 1: out that I was putting, I was the first DJ
Speaker 1: to make records dirty.
Speaker 7: I tried getting jobs and clubs. Motherfuckers was like YO.
Speaker 1: And some of the DJ that was play ain't at
Speaker 1: that time when my friends aren't YO telling the boss man,
Speaker 1: let me get a job.
Speaker 7: You're like YO, last day know about you?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 1: Like you? You moved your record back and forth, you
Speaker 1: put your fingers on it, you crayon marks in it.
Speaker 1: I couldn't get a job to save my mother, but
Speaker 1: they thinking maybe I probably was gonna spread that for
Speaker 1: me today DJ. So it wasn't until I went to
Speaker 1: this club on the off days on one hundred and
Speaker 1: sixty seventy set in Jerome and it's Italian guys own
Speaker 1: this disco club called disco Field.
Speaker 7: All right, come on.
Speaker 1: So I go in there and I mean Ali and
Speaker 1: sal Sal's the son, Ali's the father, And I say
Speaker 1: to him, well, uh, did you do you think I
Speaker 1: could get a night in here? Because Salad already heard
Speaker 1: of me, and I found that out recently. He went
Speaker 1: to the park and seeing this thing that I was doing.
Speaker 1: So by the time I got to him, I was like, yosel,
Speaker 1: you did I could get a Saturday night in your club?
Speaker 1: He looked at me like I was fucking crazy, right,
Speaker 1: he says.
Speaker 9: No.
Speaker 1: He says, what I will do is I'll give you
Speaker 1: a Tuesday. I was angry as a fucking He said, flash,
Speaker 1: if you do this, I promise you this is gonna
Speaker 1: make you huge. I was angry at first. Two months
Speaker 1: later Tuesday was rivaling Saturday. Then I got a Wednesday.
Speaker 1: So this is when I started playing in clubs with this.
Speaker 1: So I bought hip hop into disco Fever. And the
Speaker 1: people that used to come there hecked the Mansall Camacho,
Speaker 1: the Gap Band, like all the big stars that if
Speaker 1: they were in town, they came to disco Fever. They
Speaker 1: hecked a mas cocaine in the club. No you're I mean,
Speaker 1: so are you? At that time, Oh man, I was
Speaker 1: the disco Fever. I want to say, in my early twenties,
Speaker 1: maybe crazy.
Speaker 2: Okay, what is considered the first hip hop club?
Speaker 10: WHOA?
Speaker 1: You know, it's hard to say because when we was
Speaker 1: playing in the parks and this is where I kind
Speaker 1: of step out of this. In my humble opinions, I
Speaker 1: do not think a DJ came up with the title
Speaker 1: h I P H O P. They said Cowboy or
Speaker 1: love Bucks Dartsky, but they both were rappers, So it's
Speaker 1: still up for whatever for debate, debate where he came from.
Speaker 1: I personally think, in my opinion, when we was doing
Speaker 1: this earlier, early and early on, I think that it
Speaker 1: didn't have a title yet. I think we were creating
Speaker 1: something because the monster at that time was disco, and
Speaker 1: with disco you had you had to have a hard
Speaker 1: bottoms suit, jacket, no jeans, no hoodie, like we dressed
Speaker 1: the way that we dressed pretty much. So as disco
Speaker 1: was fading, hip hop came alive. But musically and how
Speaker 1: it happens is the graffiti artist was already out there,
Speaker 1: and I was told by these other breakdances that they
Speaker 1: were already out there as well. They connected to herk
Speaker 1: and to flash and to bam the rapper as we
Speaker 1: know it. Because we jackshits, we jack words from other things.
Speaker 1: So when they say am singing, M seeing really means
Speaker 1: I'm talking to you right now, and I'm a master
Speaker 1: of ceremonies and I'm sort of presiding over the room
Speaker 1: and I'm speaking. But we jack ship to call it
Speaker 1: something else. Me, I think that MC is ridically talking
Speaker 1: to the beat of a DJ's rhythm.
Speaker 4: That's what I I personally called it. So it started
Speaker 4: with Keith Cowboy. That's what I say that I'm saying.
Speaker 1: That's what I say. The others say, you know, and
Speaker 1: this is where I'm really said Cowboy here as well.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of confused.
Speaker 7: It is because, Okay, put it this way.
Speaker 1: Coo Hurk incredible, incredible sound system, he played incredible music.
Speaker 7: His crew, Cocar Rock, Timmy Tim Clark.
Speaker 2: Say, Coclar Rock was one of the first MC two
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 1: When I went to go see them, Coca Rock was
Speaker 1: a DJ. So I don't understand where that comes from.
Speaker 1: So if I'm seeing, if we jack the word, I'm
Speaker 1: seeing from the masses, and it's defined as a human
Speaker 1: being who talks rhythmically on the beat of music. Wasn't
Speaker 1: nobody doing that back then? We all had echo chambers.
Speaker 1: HRK had the best echochamber. We were just blabbing out whatever,
Speaker 1: but serious speaking to the beat of music. Maybe I'm
Speaker 1: going crazy. I didn't see that yet. It had it
Speaker 1: happen yet. And this is why I'm saying, out of
Speaker 1: all the four elements, the rapid did come last, but
Speaker 1: they are undisputedly the crown jewel all of this. They
Speaker 1: took this thing where it had to be, and I'm
Speaker 1: saying there was no steady beat for them to rhyme
Speaker 1: on at that time because people were using the tone
Speaker 1: arm and the beat wasn't steady, so it had been
Speaker 1: absolutely impossible for a rapper to wrap on that. So
Speaker 1: you're saying you bring that to the game, I'm saying
Speaker 1: that I did.
Speaker 6: Very humble.
Speaker 3: I just had the ball even showed, because I don't
Speaker 3: think people would understand what he means by picking up
Speaker 3: the tone arm, the DJ wasn't mixing, blending and bringing
Speaker 3: it on beat. They were literally picking up the record
Speaker 3: and putting it on the record like.
Speaker 1: Beat was crashing into the right. They weren't trying to
Speaker 1: make it sound smooth.
Speaker 3: They were just bringing it close enough by just bringing
Speaker 3: it up and down, bringing it, just dropping the needle
Speaker 3: on the record to switch the record.
Speaker 1: I'm going to remonstrate that when I get up there,
Speaker 1: you know. So for me, like last summer, I sit back,
Speaker 1: I watch all the press that comes out hYP Hop fifty.
Speaker 1: You know, first of all, they shot it on the
Speaker 1: Bronx for years and years and years. Oh this place
Speaker 1: has all the fires, the political upheaval, cops taking payoffs.
Speaker 1: You know, the Bronx is fucked up, and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, now the Bronx is the blomb now and
Speaker 1: it's this, that, that that, and now it's mainstream. You know.
Speaker 1: So I'm saying, I'm saying to myself, well, if that
Speaker 1: is the case, why is it that all the press
Speaker 1: that I look at they say, let's start it right here,
Speaker 1: and I just say you three And it's in two
Speaker 1: thousand and four, So what the fuck happened to where
Speaker 1: it started? And carefully chronologically speaking, going how it got here?
Speaker 1: You know why that's so important because people who are eighteen, right, thirty,
Speaker 1: forty fifty, you actually have to say you were near
Speaker 1: sixty to say that you were in the park with us.
Speaker 1: So much respect to the PR and to all the
Speaker 1: depressed people. There's a whole forty eight years that has
Speaker 1: not been put in the press that is unfair to
Speaker 1: people like myself, like Africa Bambada, like Coolhirk, like DJ Breakout.
Speaker 1: Why isn't this press being definitively put in so that
Speaker 1: the babies, because things work in trends right now with
Speaker 1: the shit right now become August fourth is grand Master
Speaker 1: last day August eleven is cool. Heirk day from August
Speaker 1: twelfth as the next fucking trend. Maybe microphones, Maybe it's
Speaker 1: a fucking.
Speaker 7: Bottle of water.
Speaker 1: We need we need to get this ship right now
Speaker 1: because we're trending, because after that it goes into history
Speaker 1: history books incomplete or incorrect. And this is why I
Speaker 1: find it critically necessary that I do as much speaking
Speaker 1: and I'm only one of four, what I want to
Speaker 1: do as much speaking as possible because Norwy, you need
Speaker 1: to know, because you're an expert in your field. You
Speaker 1: need to know where this shape came from. Like you
Speaker 1: said when you opened up the show before you you
Speaker 1: should know where it does come from, who, what, where
Speaker 1: and why. And this is the reason why I'm going
Speaker 1: to be going to all the sunny colleges. I'm going
Speaker 1: to the y m c A, to all the babies,
Speaker 1: all the corporates. I'm doing this birth of a Culture
Speaker 1: corporate tour. I'm gonna go around and speak as much
Speaker 1: as I possibly can because I have to. This is
Speaker 1: this is, this is our thing, and long after I'm
Speaker 1: going I'd like to know that this thing is correct
Speaker 1: because being quite frankly, a lot of people celebrate their birthday, right.
Speaker 1: I don't give a fuck about a birthday. You know
Speaker 1: what I care about my death day? What am I
Speaker 1: leaving so the babies could build on that? That's where
Speaker 1: I'm at. So this is why I got to speak.
Speaker 5: You said one of the four, who's the other three?
Speaker 1: Quirk bam botta breakout flash? The four of us the
Speaker 1: ship ain't just one person at one time frame. This
Speaker 1: is a combination of a lot of things. I got
Speaker 1: a bullet point thinking, Man, I'm gonna go all now,
Speaker 1: I'm a fucking geek. Imma, I gotta I gotta do this.
Speaker 1: Like you know, we need to to congratulate the breakdances,
Speaker 1: to congratulate the like the producers. Why the fuck are
Speaker 1: we not talking about to producers? Because I'm telling you
Speaker 1: what I did. Human sampling. There was just a machine
Speaker 1: that came into play called the computer and the sampler.
Speaker 1: They took that same piece of information and inserted in
Speaker 1: the computer. Hit the spacebom and tell the space to
Speaker 1: tell the computer to repeat this loop. It's the shit
Speaker 1: that I did. If we don't give love to these producers,
Speaker 1: this ship would have never become big business. It's not
Speaker 1: possible somebody had to go in and do that. And
Speaker 1: this is why I talk about these I think it's
Speaker 1: really important that journalists interview to the producer because a
Speaker 1: lot of your rappers, you'll come in and say to Ron,
Speaker 1: you get the fuck out and keep.
Speaker 7: Going, right.
Speaker 1: Somebody got a say in the room and put that
Speaker 1: bitch together, yep, And that is the producer. Why aren't
Speaker 1: we talking about these people? Premiere Dre Oh shit, I
Speaker 1: gotta fucking lift Pete Pete Rock Can I missed exactly?
Speaker 1: Timberlind like exactly? We have to Kanye West. Let's talk
Speaker 1: them about that because the nine times out of ten,
Speaker 1: if you would have asked a rapper with his truncation
Speaker 1: with a sampling, what is equeuing? We don't know that
Speaker 1: ship right, Oh, thank you so much. They don't want
Speaker 1: to have a clue to this. So it's just important
Speaker 1: on how I did my science. But it's just important
Speaker 1: as some producers in the studio in their science to
Speaker 1: deliver the master to the record companies, and then the
Speaker 1: record companies they should get love too, because they didn't
Speaker 1: have to put this ship out. We had there was
Speaker 1: no bootprint before this to say that this ship was
Speaker 1: gonna be the ball. They took a chance with this
Speaker 1: ship to the Sylvia Roans and the rest of them.
Speaker 1: They took Sugarhill Record. Yeah, Sylvia Robinson, all these people.
Speaker 1: They didn't have to do this so that we could
Speaker 1: sit here and live comfortable and eat off this ship
Speaker 1: that we love. I'm walking into the room. I'm walking
Speaker 1: into the up to the to the to the room
Speaker 1: here that I'm in, and I'm like, oh, let's just
Speaker 1: fly as a mother fucking may back right there.
Speaker 7: I said, who fucking maybag is that?
Speaker 11: No?
Speaker 1: You looked at me and said, hey, man, so let
Speaker 1: me ask you a question.
Speaker 3: I was clear something you mentioned Marty Mark what I think?
Speaker 3: What what he said and will is that he recreated
Speaker 3: with flash. He was one of the first producers or
Speaker 3: the first producer to recreate on record.
Speaker 1: Yeah, on record, that could be possibly true because it
Speaker 1: was Cold Child and Water Brothers was probably one of
Speaker 1: the first. But then it was Death Chair two. You know,
Speaker 1: it's it's up for debate, but the insertion of music
Speaker 1: inside of a new production and the human beings speaking
Speaker 1: on it. There were three major labels that was pretty
Speaker 1: much doing that, and that was Cole Chilling, Cole Chilling,
Speaker 1: Warner Brothers. Marley mar was and he was a producer
Speaker 1: for all the artists, but Big Daddy Kane and bis
Speaker 1: Walking all of them, you know. And then there was
Speaker 1: sugar Hill, and then they then came Russell Simmons with
Speaker 1: jam and Leo Cohen, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7: And it just went from there, and it was Uptown.
Speaker 1: Records, bad Boy Records, and it goes on and on
Speaker 1: and on and on and on. So this thing has
Speaker 1: so much of a story of substance. And when I
Speaker 1: look at the press that's happening, I'm like, who is
Speaker 1: controlling the narrative of the press, because they're leaving out
Speaker 1: so many things?
Speaker 2: But it isn't. I'm sorry, but this is kind of
Speaker 2: like the NBA, Like like when you look at the
Speaker 2: NBA right now, right the NBA and anybody playing in
Speaker 2: the NBA, I got so many friends, so many people
Speaker 2: who have my phone numbers, so.
Speaker 1: Do not call me.
Speaker 2: Not talking about you particularly, but the NBA kind of
Speaker 2: seems soft right now, right And it's like like and
Speaker 2: and when you compare it to the nineties, right and
Speaker 2: it's like if you don't have these old clips.
Speaker 1: Of the nineties.
Speaker 2: These people don't understand that the NBA was like playing
Speaker 2: right as out. It was like right as a boy,
Speaker 2: and now it's like playing in fucking Barbie Land.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, like like Disney learned.
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, Like.
Speaker 1: People, please don't hit me. I don't mean it like that.
Speaker 1: But what I'm trying to say is, isn't it isn't it?
Speaker 1: Isn't it? Isn't it?
Speaker 2: Like when you see these young kids, right, these young
Speaker 2: kids they twenty they they are twenty five and under,
Speaker 2: and they would actually sit there and be like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go get to the New Jordan's. But they're
Speaker 2: making money through hip hop. Yes, they're making money through
Speaker 2: hip hop, but there would go and they don't. They
Speaker 2: haven't seen Michael Jordan play or Doctor Dre But why
Speaker 2: wouldn't they go? And yeah, yeah, why wouldn't they do
Speaker 2: their research if they're making money through hip hop?
Speaker 1: That's my biggest thing.
Speaker 2: Okay, But this new generation is like I think you
Speaker 2: said it earlier, like like you said, the people.
Speaker 1: Need to know and that's what they need to want
Speaker 1: to know. That's the biggest problem too. But you gotta
Speaker 1: teach them to know, like you have to drop the
Speaker 1: science to these babies and say this is what it is,
Speaker 1: this is what it is. Now go look at go
Speaker 1: look for the rest. Like when I play sometimes depending
Speaker 1: on what country I'm in, Norrie, I listen all over
Speaker 1: the world exceeds, you know, like before COVID, I was
Speaker 1: I was going to one hundred and fifty countries a
Speaker 1: year before COVID for the past, you know, eighteen years
Speaker 1: before COVID. So for me, sometimes I'll be playing the
Speaker 1: old school ship all the way back to our time
Speaker 1: and I see in the front row kids like around seventeen,
Speaker 1: eighteen nineteen, and I when I went backstage, I grabbed
Speaker 1: two of the kids and I said, how do you
Speaker 1: know this stuff? They said, my mom, my dad, and
Speaker 1: my uncles. You know, my aunts taught them. So it's
Speaker 1: like what you're saying, Norri. You know, we as eld,
Speaker 1: the state's people have to inform the baby. So this
Speaker 1: is why I'm saying the breadcrumbs from the seventies to now,
Speaker 1: you have to put all of them down. You can't
Speaker 1: just say the Bronx say ship and then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, the next two years, the Bronx says the ship,
Speaker 1: and it went putting this to that. So how the
Speaker 1: fuck did it happen?
Speaker 7: And who did it?
Speaker 1: Some people lost their lives, some people ain't here no more.
Speaker 1: That helped make this ship what this ship is. And
Speaker 1: this is why I find it really important. I think
Speaker 1: the DJ is extremely important because there was a time
Speaker 1: before the game change. Record companies like Death Jam and
Speaker 1: all the other labels shoots to bring me white labels
Speaker 1: one o'clock in the morning, knocking on my door saying
Speaker 1: this shit is fresh off the fucking prints. We need
Speaker 1: you to tell us what this record is. Twing we DJs.
Speaker 5: You was the influence, said before influence, it was aflu.
Speaker 1: And so all this constitutes the building blocks of why
Speaker 1: this thing is still here. Why don't we do this
Speaker 1: step by step by step by step by step.
Speaker 7: It's just.
Speaker 1: Just boggles my mind. Let's continue the mixtape. The mixtape. Okay, wait,
Speaker 1: wait wait.
Speaker 5: I love how you control on an interview, like.
Speaker 1: Not get it to the mix tape. I like that.
Speaker 1: I like that. I think that. I'm sorry, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm just really crazy comfortable here.
Speaker 2: What is the first term? First time you heard that
Speaker 2: term mixtape? And was it because it was mixes on
Speaker 2: the tape because I actually got an album on the
Speaker 2: tape cassette. There were two there were two versions of mixed.
Speaker 2: There were two DJs that would record this shows when
Speaker 2: we was playing back then, me and Bam Bam, and.
Speaker 1: That's what we called it because a DJ was mixing
Speaker 1: on tape. There's two types of tapes.
Speaker 5: The Bam always have beats is one point.
Speaker 1: He never had beats. I'm gonna talk about Bam in
Speaker 1: the mix mixtapes. Two types of mixtapes.
Speaker 7: There's the tape. There's the one. There's the one.
Speaker 1: You pop in while we're performing and the whole group is,
Speaker 1: you know, doing anything. The DJ is the rapper. That
Speaker 1: is the customized tape. Let's talk about the customized tape.
Speaker 1: I would get called to do customized tapes for the.
Speaker 5: Drug dealers, the street vendors, the.
Speaker 1: Street, the street. My client teller was the street farmaceutical
Speaker 1: people and they lived in the hall in the Halem
Speaker 1: and the Bronx, and this.
Speaker 7: Is what they would ask me. They said.
Speaker 1: I would say to them, just give me two souls
Speaker 1: that you like. That would give me an idea of
Speaker 1: what they like, and I would build around that. I said, so, well,
Speaker 1: how long do you want this cassette tape to be?
Speaker 1: If they said sixty, I say, here's my price, a
Speaker 1: dollar a minute, so and I would look at the
Speaker 1: distreet pharmaceutical person and say that's what it would course
Speaker 1: they said, so what they says, all I want you
Speaker 1: to do is this on your echo chamber. I just
Speaker 1: want you every few minutes to say my name, because
Speaker 1: you gotta realize, these street pharmaceutical people had the dopest
Speaker 1: cause the dopest motherfucking sound systems, and it was going through.
Speaker 1: So if their name was drink Champ stream tramp all
Speaker 1: through the through the city, show the other the other
Speaker 1: pharmaceutical people, You're like, yo, where the fuck you get
Speaker 1: that comfort of mind?
Speaker 7: They're wrong or we got that shit from Grand Master.
Speaker 1: And I would and I would say, all right, what
Speaker 1: you want sixty ninety one twenty Some would say ninety.
Speaker 7: I say ninety.
Speaker 1: Dollars one twenty one hundred and twenty. Some wanted a
Speaker 1: real to real and it'd be sixty minutes or one
Speaker 1: side and you reverse it and that you recorded, and
Speaker 1: that was two hundred dollars. So this is the common
Speaker 1: kind of money I was making. When I wasn't making
Speaker 1: money doing the parties. I actually made more money do
Speaker 1: doing the tapes than I was doing the parties. So
Speaker 1: now a mixtape, I think now, correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 1: It's like the pre album. It's like an artist that's
Speaker 1: not signed what mix tape even.
Speaker 3: Signed today today out of their label Big Safe today,
Speaker 3: but finished with you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not trying. I'm just trying to because I
Speaker 1: don't really know what it what it became.
Speaker 5: Today exactly, say today savent finish with you?
Speaker 2: What you think?
Speaker 1: I'm thinking it's artists that are so dope but they're
Speaker 1: not signs yet and they can make money without the label.
Speaker 7: This is what I'm thinking.
Speaker 3: But it's it's artists that are signed as well doing
Speaker 3: street albums.
Speaker 1: But is it both?
Speaker 5: Is he either or it's both? It's both, Yes, both both.
Speaker 2: It's both because even artists like Faustis has a mixtape
Speaker 2: and he sampled a bunch of beats, but he also
Speaker 2: actually paid for the samples, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So the fact is it's not an actual album, so
Speaker 2: it doesn't go on sound scan as an album, but
Speaker 2: it does, I guess because they still got to pay
Speaker 2: the producers, and ultimately.
Speaker 3: If you ask a newer generation what a mixtape is,
Speaker 3: they just think of an artist doing a street yes,
Speaker 3: street a street album.
Speaker 7: So it's not just so.
Speaker 1: It could be a street album that's signed to a label,
Speaker 1: or a street album that's not signed to a label,
Speaker 1: and it could be an incredibly dope artist that's not
Speaker 1: signed to a label. Right, And it's usually using beats
Speaker 1: that they're not paying for. Usually that's what it is.
Speaker 1: That's really, that's what really is what the mixtape became.
Speaker 3: They're taking instrumentals, they're taking whatever, and they're spitting over
Speaker 3: whatever they want and not clearing any of these beats.
Speaker 1: Okay, so okay, then I want to ask you, how
Speaker 1: does the mixtape today quantify the sales? How do you
Speaker 1: know what it sold?
Speaker 7: Or is it more like we called it an audio
Speaker 7: flyer or.
Speaker 5: The first audio DJ drama.
Speaker 3: That's how let changed after you got everything with Internet
Speaker 3: from the mixed ere I started doing mixtapes on cassettes,
Speaker 3: then on CDs. I didn't like as much, but I
Speaker 3: did it. But once everything went Internet, that to me
Speaker 3: changed what it meant. A mixtape meant the culture. Mixtapes
Speaker 3: to me ended.
Speaker 1: Because even even like let's say fifty he kind of
Speaker 1: like ushered in the artist mixtape, he.
Speaker 2: Was still putting them on CD dipset as well, and
Speaker 2: say so that's.
Speaker 1: That culture of physical Once that physical culture ended.
Speaker 3: I feel like kind of like the mixtape era ended
Speaker 3: in a sense, people still put stuff on streaming said this.
Speaker 1: Is my mixtape album all But I.
Speaker 2: Think at first when it got to the fifty dipset era,
Speaker 2: I think that that they were the first time that
Speaker 2: it wasn't hosted by DJ right, or that was hosted
Speaker 2: by DJ yeah.
Speaker 1: Most of the yeah, yeah exactly.
Speaker 3: Still a lot of those those mixtape albums incorporated the
Speaker 3: DJ putting it together and and and doing like you know,
Speaker 3: drops Ford and hosting it.
Speaker 1: Okay, got it, got it, got it? So okay, I understand.
Speaker 1: So executives got the record labels, man basically get some
Speaker 1: love to man. Yeah, all of them. There's some fund
Speaker 1: up people that there is there, there there is by me,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with a few that I know. Pretty cool,
Speaker 1: that's right, And I'm sure you share the fucked up
Speaker 1: when as I called him to you, Sylvia wrong, Electra
Speaker 1: the wrong. She drew as album as well, yeah, Russell
Speaker 1: Simmons and Leo Cohen Depth.
Speaker 2: Jam specifically up even though either my definitely.
Speaker 1: Have no more flash, right, you know what I'm talking
Speaker 1: about earlier Onstable here, Yeah, yeah, historical yes, Tom Silvanan
Speaker 1: and Monica Lynch, Tommy Boy Record Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: don't know that one. Okay, Okay, Steve Stout r c
Speaker 1: A Records, I think what a J jay Z's first
Speaker 1: record label, Sleeping Bag Records. Will sockle Off Okay, yeah, wait,
Speaker 1: hell his name is so off SoC st Yeah, Steve
Speaker 1: uh will will sockle Off Right, leave that alone, Okay.
Speaker 1: Sylvia Robinson, Sugar.
Speaker 10: You Records, your Sugar Hell Records, you had a second ago,
Speaker 10: Steve Riston, Yeah, Aaron Fukes, Tough City Records, Fred Bounet,
Speaker 10: Select Records Back.
Speaker 1: So there's a few, but there's so many more. And
Speaker 1: to the people that's watching and listening, like, if I
Speaker 1: do not say your label, you know or what you've done,
Speaker 1: it would take me like five years to say all
Speaker 1: the names, so please excuse me. So in the interest
Speaker 1: of time, I had to put together a short list of.
Speaker 3: That because we could have easily added and easy with
Speaker 3: Ruthless Records, or yes with two life with absolutely Skywalker
Speaker 3: Records and a J Prince will.
Speaker 1: Wrap a lot records right exactly. So for me, this
Speaker 1: thing has like, you know, I haven't been on the
Speaker 1: train in fifty years, but if I were to get
Speaker 1: on the local, not to express the local, every stop
Speaker 1: is something, Every stop is something, Every stop is something.
Speaker 1: Every there's something to talk about until you get to
Speaker 1: hear that's it really really important. Man.
Speaker 5: Let me ask you flash. Aliens come down.
Speaker 2: They come down, Aliens from a different planet, a different planet.
Speaker 2: They hire as a motherfucker right. They high, They on
Speaker 2: alien shit, they on alien ship. They come to you, flash,
Speaker 2: they flash. We need one record to describe hip hop,
Speaker 2: one record to describe this fifty years of hip hop,
Speaker 2: this fifty one years of hip hop. They don't want
Speaker 2: one record? Nah no, this is his question, brother Dominicans,
Speaker 2: come a thing one record for alien. Never heard one
Speaker 2: never heard, he never fingerpoped nothing, He doesn't know nothing.
Speaker 5: He just an alien. One record.
Speaker 1: Nor can we go to no get too alien? Say
Speaker 1: you know what, go ahead, you want to you top three?
Speaker 1: It's just too to its two records. I think o
Speaker 1: that and this is that that that are the absolute top.
Speaker 1: If you were to say these records help start a movement,
Speaker 1: would be Coherks discovery of Apache and my discovery. I'll
Speaker 1: take me to the money grap by Bob James, one A,
Speaker 1: one B.
Speaker 3: And look for the Remember who we're talking to. Some
Speaker 3: people that don't even understand when you say discovery of
Speaker 3: that record what that meant. Okay, so record shopping digging,
Speaker 3: by the way, can I stop me for my second?
Speaker 2: Let me just tell you something, Just show me she
Speaker 2: have a DJ friend and y'all are on the road.
Speaker 1: If you ever want to do something cool for your DJ.
Speaker 5: Friend, find a record store.
Speaker 1: It's like leaving a gamber at a casino.
Speaker 2: I can take.
Speaker 1: Anywhere in the world, and I can leave him at
Speaker 1: a record store and a casino and I could go
Speaker 1: out for six hours. No one would never know what's mission.
Speaker 2: So if you ever know to any DJ, listen, any artist,
Speaker 2: anybody you've had a DJ friend, go overseas or go
Speaker 2: somewhere you can bring him to a to reconstr herm
Speaker 2: and her or her all they you know this ship
Speaker 2: is real out right now?
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7: You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: If you don't want to fend nobody. Everybody can use
Speaker 1: every bathroom.
Speaker 2: But if you want him to a DJ friend, you
Speaker 2: bring him to a record store and they will enjoy
Speaker 2: the ship out of the store. By the way, these
Speaker 2: records don't have to speak at English.
Speaker 1: Don't matter.
Speaker 2: These records don't have to be hip hop.
Speaker 1: You prefer they could be harmor. But DJs are so
Speaker 1: crazy they can listen and be like, oh, I'm taking this.
Speaker 2: I'm just telling you DJ's and producers, that's a treat.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I gave you out a tea cold for.
Speaker 2: So record shopping.
Speaker 1: Record shopping.
Speaker 7: I'm in my teens.
Speaker 1: During the week I have to do my chores and
Speaker 1: do my homework. Uh, do school work. On the weekend,
Speaker 1: I'm getting up about eight o'clock in the morning, getting dressed,
Speaker 1: washing my ass. I am going record shopping. I'm going
Speaker 1: to which I think used to Will the godfather of
Speaker 1: eclectic records was Downstairs Records, Nick and Barry. Okay, in
Speaker 1: the village, and what street was at all thirty Street,
Speaker 1: it's been that was much later. So I would go
Speaker 1: down to Downstairs Records, and Nick and Barry would hey, Flash,
Speaker 1: how you doing I'll say, uh, I just want to
Speaker 1: go through some stuff because somehow or another, these two
Speaker 1: white boys knew how to go out and get records
Speaker 1: that would possibly work. That's crazy. So they're like curating
Speaker 1: before you guys. Yeah, so I'm in there. Actually, Nick
Speaker 1: and Barry would have two rooms. There's the public room
Speaker 1: that people come in from the street. Then there's the
Speaker 1: room in the pack VIP.
Speaker 5: You have VIP before VIP. I respect it.
Speaker 1: Go ahead. We in there all day in the turntable.
Speaker 1: I'm in there looking in the cup one. I'm holding
Speaker 1: the record up in the air because you could see
Speaker 1: the break on the record, and how you could see
Speaker 1: this the area of the composition has a bright spot,
Speaker 1: so that tells you that the most of the band
Speaker 1: members are not playing. The figures not playing in that area.
Speaker 1: I would find that pop record, put it on. All
Speaker 1: I needed was four bars. I'm buying two copies of that.
Speaker 1: That was the love there. But then you would go
Speaker 1: to the big stores where you have no cloud.
Speaker 7: Like there was a storm who was just thirty fourth
Speaker 7: Street and eighth.
Speaker 1: AVEU called disco mad and this motherfuckers this store must
Speaker 1: have been the size of a Walmart. So you just
Speaker 1: in there, just searching. And I would go to the
Speaker 1: pop session in the rock all of them, and I
Speaker 1: would look at the cover. That's what spoke to you first,
Speaker 1: That would speak to me first. And I remember this
Speaker 1: one particular one was I was in a rock session.
Speaker 1: The fucking album said toys in the attic. I'm like,
Speaker 1: who the fuck wants to put their toys in the attic?
Speaker 1: I held it up, put it down. I said, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna just think about that and just search for others.
Speaker 7: But that shit was talking to me.
Speaker 1: And Disco Matt no privileges. Once you break the street wrap,
Speaker 1: you buy it. If there's nothing on it, you fucking
Speaker 1: stuck with it. You gotta go to the cash register
Speaker 1: and pay for some I call it a.
Speaker 5: Stiff as a scram. Joe still call it.
Speaker 1: And I went over to the turntable and I played
Speaker 1: most of the records whack whack, whack, whack, whack whack.
Speaker 7: Then the band put the.
Speaker 1: Bam boom bampoo, put the drum break in a front
Speaker 1: of that ship.
Speaker 7: I'm like, oh my god.
Speaker 1: This group was new then, Columbia Records, didn't nobody know
Speaker 1: much of who it was, and they had this they
Speaker 1: had a really real weird name, arrow Smith, and the
Speaker 1: cut on it. I would have missed it because that
Speaker 1: end of the cut prior got the man, this this nasty,
Speaker 1: fucked up guitar piece. But I stuck with it and
Speaker 1: I let it play, and then it got quiet onto
Speaker 1: the next section. I was like, oh my god, I'm
Speaker 1: taking two of those. But there are times when I
Speaker 1: look at the album cup and the fucking shit was
Speaker 1: whack right, But I bought two of them. I gotta
Speaker 1: go to the cash register and buy them. And in
Speaker 1: my room mom's house these I had a stiff's crate.
Speaker 1: So this is the purpose of this crate. When you're playing.
Speaker 1: Sometimes DJ's mother camps, you know, because some weeks it's
Speaker 1: hurts and a crap. Most across come to see him.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's flash, sometimes it's breakout. Sometimes you know whoever,
Speaker 1: they'll send spies. You won't know who they are, but
Speaker 1: they twenty feet away looking at the label.
Speaker 7: So this is what I did.
Speaker 1: I took the two copies of the Stiffs that I'm
Speaker 1: stuck with, and I soaked them in the bathtub, and
Speaker 1: I soaked the heat and the bathtub too, until the
Speaker 1: label came up. And then I switched them. So now
Speaker 1: follow so when that DJ would come there seeing what
Speaker 1: that ship was, and I got to tell you years later,
Speaker 1: we all at they said, flash, we cleaned our house,
Speaker 1: cook the food, let the fucking album play, and the
Speaker 1: break was never there. We had a way of keeping
Speaker 1: our secrets. But today, ah, you know, I I there
Speaker 1: no more secrets. I think it's important that the kids know.
Speaker 7: But we had to have a way.
Speaker 1: I used to mark the record with magic marcle or
Speaker 1: scrape the label out and call it. If the ship
Speaker 1: was called fucking Fiji, I'll call the shit can C
Speaker 1: A N. So now the motherfucker's going looking for a
Speaker 1: record called can. But we had to have secrets. We
Speaker 1: had to to keep our fans. And that's what record
Speaker 1: shop was to me. And I might record shop from
Speaker 1: nine in the morning till ten o'clock at night, and
Speaker 1: I may go to a record shop and find one
Speaker 1: and twenty one copy in the fucking store. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, you can't get another way. He said, Man,
Speaker 1: this is a small label and this is all they
Speaker 1: had one copy. Now I'm calling stage in Brooklyn, Queen's Island.
Speaker 1: Do you have a fucking do you have this record?
Speaker 1: Because you had to have two? Wait, why did you
Speaker 1: have to have two? So he could bring it back,
Speaker 1: keep blooping it right to continue it.
Speaker 3: And this is their version of having an exclusive ry,
Speaker 3: saying they're hiding the record so the other DJ's camp
Speaker 3: couldn't see right and get that record exactly, so that.
Speaker 1: Drum beat to continue that drum beat, norway, I had
Speaker 1: to continue it. But I had that shit covered because
Speaker 1: I didn't know who was in the building, and I
Speaker 1: wanted my fans to stay with me, so I wanted
Speaker 1: all my heat to stay with me. Herk was always
Speaker 1: up high, bam Barda had goons, breakout was way up
Speaker 1: in the north, so everybody was just protecting their own shit.
Speaker 1: But record shopping, I can remember going for twelve thirteen
Speaker 1: hours and not finding it, getting up Sunday and going
Speaker 1: again and just trying to calling around, calling around, begging, pleading,
Speaker 1: I need one more copy of this record. Sometimes the
Speaker 1: copy would be printed and it might be a red
Speaker 1: label for the same album somebody reprinted it. It might
Speaker 1: be a white label, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: I got two odd labels. I didn't give a fuck.
Speaker 1: This iss log as I was able to keep that
Speaker 1: beak on and keep that crowd rocking. And these are
Speaker 1: the things that you know, I find very important to
Speaker 1: talk about.
Speaker 2: But let me ask you because what you're saying, and
Speaker 2: you're describing right there, is you're describing a DJ like
Speaker 2: being a producer.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: That's actually kind this is kind of a producer. So
Speaker 2: it's kind of like to say, if you do it
Speaker 2: the way that you're describing.
Speaker 1: Which is the wrong way, louse. You don't play a
Speaker 1: turntable that way. I came up with the wrong way
Speaker 1: because your theory is the wrong way.
Speaker 2: That But what you're saying is basically, if you're a DJ,
Speaker 2: you're an automatic producer. But if you're a producer, doesn't
Speaker 2: automatically make you a DJ.
Speaker 1: Right, But I'll tell you this much, and we're gonna
Speaker 1: go We're gonna go back to the producers. If they
Speaker 1: were fifty producers on the first batch that went out
Speaker 1: in the eighties, forty eight of them with DJs that
Speaker 1: understood the law.
Speaker 7: Of a seamless loop.
Speaker 1: So from Dre to Pete Rock to Premiere to Battlecat
Speaker 1: you know, to Christ the Glove tailor, all of them
Speaker 1: they were DJs.
Speaker 7: So they knew how one.
Speaker 1: To make a seamless loop, which I'm going to show
Speaker 1: you what that is over there. Use it and the
Speaker 1: sampler inserted at New Kicks Snaars make that shit sound incredible.
Speaker 1: So the rapid could come in and say what you
Speaker 1: can say that, he'll go leave, and then it's the
Speaker 1: producer and that track and making that track as fat
Speaker 1: as possible. That's what the majority of the DJs are
Speaker 1: at that time coming to help. That made the only
Speaker 1: incredible records Q tip, all of them they were DJs,
Speaker 1: and that's why all them records to this day, like
Speaker 1: if you if you were in the club on you
Speaker 1: in the spot where you playing for a couple of hours,
Speaker 1: it is almost impossible to not have to go back
Speaker 1: there and grab one or two. It's almost impossible because
Speaker 1: that music never died. It's all still here pretty much.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna go over here. Now.
Speaker 2: You said that's the first beat machine in hip hop?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Yeah, what is that?
Speaker 1: Yes? The big box? Okay, it's called the beat box
Speaker 1: B box.
Speaker 5: I always thought Dougie Fresh was the B box c B.
Speaker 1: Doug You're gonna talk right after. We're gonna talk later
Speaker 1: on today too okay, so nor Red, this was my
Speaker 1: secret weapon. Evy DJ back then had turntables. Right now,
Speaker 1: there was this guy uh Dame escapes me. He lived
Speaker 1: in a Jackson Projects and I would hear this machine
Speaker 1: being played out the window. I made it a point
Speaker 1: to keep going back there, keep going back there, till
Speaker 1: finally I met this guy and I asked.
Speaker 7: Him what was it that he was playing?
Speaker 1: He was playing this. He was a drummer, but when
Speaker 1: he were practice, he would practice with this. I said
Speaker 1: to myself, if I can learn how to play this,
Speaker 1: just basic, I could come off the turntables and jump
Speaker 1: on this. So ray Challa, I'll manage. At that time
Speaker 1: said we're gonna put that on the Flyer. Secret weapon,
Speaker 1: the beat box. The Furious came up with the saw.
Speaker 1: It was a party and his own me I was
Speaker 1: on this sand and people.
Speaker 3: So l.
Speaker 1: So this became a secret weapon. And this got us
Speaker 1: more more fans. Years when by later and they were
Speaker 1: these super people. I called them this Markey rest in Peace,
Speaker 1: Dougie Fresh that decided to replicate the sounds of a
Speaker 1: drum with their mouths, and they made huge records off
Speaker 1: of this. But this is this box that I found
Speaker 1: and I called it the beat box. Wow.
Speaker 6: So I'm gonna just mess around a little bit.
Speaker 1: Wow, so pretty much. And Meldon the Boys wrote a
Speaker 1: song on it. So now see knowing these are the
Speaker 1: kind of things that I'm talking about, and I appreciate you. First,
Speaker 1: you will eat Huh. That's the first you can say
Speaker 1: the person first drum, drum machine and hip hop period
Speaker 1: credecessor for yeah, the cast cast didn't even have a
Speaker 1: C yet.
Speaker 6: It wasn't even see you on cast.
Speaker 7: It wasn't around yet.
Speaker 1: You know, this is why I found it critically important
Speaker 1: to come here. And I appreciate the EFN and and
Speaker 1: and nor to allow me to expound, expound on this.
Speaker 1: Appreciate you because I'm dragging you guys in and out
Speaker 1: of the rabbit hole we started. Okay, so so.
Speaker 12: This song right here some of nineteen seventies, when it
Speaker 12: was me try to snap here.
Speaker 1: At the house Parkings in my mom's house or my
Speaker 1: bucker's house, the backside used to move more and his
Speaker 1: break still going, still going now, I thought back then,
Speaker 1: and I was twelve or thirteen, old records have the
Speaker 1: break like that, But when they didn't, that's when I
Speaker 1: became very angry and that's when I had to come
Speaker 1: up with this thing where I extended to break. So
Speaker 1: now all, let's I'm gonna move through a couple of
Speaker 1: things here. I'm gonna try to think within the five
Speaker 1: second law, but try to do that, okay. So the
Speaker 1: genius of the producers doctor Dre, like like they all
Speaker 1: love me, Dre loves me and he's as huge as
Speaker 1: he is, He's not afraid to say that I inspired
Speaker 1: him to do what he does. Absolutely, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, So.
Speaker 13: Hold on.
Speaker 1: That was all the genius of the producer to put
Speaker 1: this in the computer and a sampler and the incredible
Speaker 1: rhymes of nas.
Speaker 7: Let's continue on.
Speaker 1: And some of these records were popped. Were rocking with
Speaker 1: Jason and Blues, were funking with disco, they were R
Speaker 1: n B.
Speaker 14: You know.
Speaker 1: So when people ask me know where to do a set,
Speaker 1: I played pop rock, They're like, what the no, what
Speaker 1: the fuck are you doing. I'm saying, I'm playing a
Speaker 1: hip hop set. I'm playing what I know.
Speaker 15: This song here has has the worst name in the
Speaker 15: even in the world. Uh Sweet green Fields, Shields and Cross.
Speaker 15: The producer that did Cliff one. The producer that took
Speaker 15: Cliff one, the producer.
Speaker 1: That followed me.
Speaker 6: Now that's the black part.
Speaker 1: So all the producer did is take to see this
Speaker 1: loop theory that falls under the quick mix theory and
Speaker 1: made big records. Why doesn't the press talk about this?
Speaker 1: But it was in front of me. I would keep
Speaker 1: it beat steady, those you can still do it. Let's
Speaker 1: gettue on. Oh, thank you, thank you. Let's shit. Let's
Speaker 1: go here. Uh m hm, Let's go a little further.
Speaker 1: Let's go a little fir Let's go a little first,
Speaker 1: Let's go a little check the Ryan.
Speaker 11: So much, so much.
Speaker 1: If Piggy was in front of me so much, it's crazy.
Speaker 1: He's showing you the where he started and how that
Speaker 1: translated in the production. This one's quite special. H This
Speaker 1: recon probably would have been double leg that was sold
Speaker 1: a copy until it's incredible. Rapper put his voice on
Speaker 1: this feat one of my favorite freaky mules.
Speaker 11: Y're going, it's like it's where.
Speaker 1: So that's wh just playing this produced this ship out.
Speaker 14: If it's not damn record right, mel hold my god up.
Speaker 14: Let's play some disco. Let's play some disco. Let's play
Speaker 14: some disco. Let's play from disco. Let's play some disco.
Speaker 14: Let's play some disco.
Speaker 1: But the motherfucking producers, he said to yourself, let me
Speaker 1: let me slow this down. And these are the things
Speaker 1: are Presice not talking about. Why not jazz heard Albert
Speaker 1: don't care about this racket? Nobody? Yes, crazy, I watched
Speaker 1: the press last last summer. I'm like, how on earth,
Speaker 1: how on earth could he let stuff like this goes by?
Speaker 1: I'm sure Bam got a story. I'm sure Breakout got
Speaker 1: a story. I'm sure her got a story.
Speaker 7: So now sure should I wait?
Speaker 3: For now?
Speaker 1: We canna keep talking. Okay, let's get geek. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: take your guys down a rabbit hole. Let's go, let's
Speaker 1: go over to the to the easel.
Speaker 7: Yeah, okay, so.
Speaker 16: Guys.
Speaker 1: This took much thinking because the way DJ's playing music
Speaker 1: the right way was heavy on the tone R. But
Speaker 1: in order for me to e to connect the short runway,
Speaker 1: I needed a quicker way to do this. This took
Speaker 1: me about two and a half years to put this
Speaker 1: formula together because I kept saying to myself, the non
Speaker 1: disco DJs I heav you on a tone are to
Speaker 1: disco DJs to heavy on the tone. Are I have
Speaker 1: to stay heavy on the tone ar And it turned
Speaker 1: out that I couldn't right. And here's my formula. It's
Speaker 1: called the quick mix theory. This is this is pretty
Speaker 1: much the math in me and this is how I did.
Speaker 1: How old are you coming up with this? How old
Speaker 1: are you now? About fifteen? Look at this. You got
Speaker 1: into perspective.
Speaker 7: About fifteen sixteen.
Speaker 13: And there are DJs that make incredible sounds with this.
Speaker 1: But I'm not talking about the sound. I'm talking about
Speaker 1: the mechanics, the reason why you do it. And here's
Speaker 1: the math. Guys.
Speaker 2: Four bars four.
Speaker 1: Way equals six counterclockwise revolutions equals full yeah, loop extraction.
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna do this on the turn tables in
Speaker 1: a little while, but I'm gonna show you to be
Speaker 1: deep in a rabbit hole right now. Guys, final one.
Speaker 1: Any watch outs I can see clockwise? Thank you.
Speaker 17: My drawing is fucked up. I'm not good like that
Speaker 17: DJ mixer. I'll this run table.
Speaker 1: This one is going counterclockwise counter and is this without
Speaker 1: you queuing it in headphones? Is this why you can?
Speaker 6: But I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't figure that out until later. You could, But
Speaker 1: you're absolutely correct counterclockwise, so four bars forwards, it's equal
Speaker 1: to six counter clockwise revs r evs. This way of DJing,
Speaker 1: the mechanics.
Speaker 6: Of this has not changed them fifty years.
Speaker 2: That's not.
Speaker 1: I said something on the internet many years ago. I'll
Speaker 1: put up ten grand for anybody that can do this
Speaker 1: without using my mechanics. Not the machine, not a computer.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about human.
Speaker 7: Beings like you and me.
Speaker 6: Let's see still waiting, Hey, do you want to do this?
Speaker 1: Man? So, God is wonderful. I've been able to Nori.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out what's going when you Okay,
Speaker 1: If then I did this when I was sixteen, I'll
Speaker 1: be sixty seven in the week and a half. God
Speaker 1: is absolutely wonderful.
Speaker 2: Bring bring cheering for Scram Jones. Is bring Scram Johnson.
Speaker 5: Because I want to get into the music.
Speaker 1: But before we get into that, we're somewhere.
Speaker 2: You played overseas that you was just like wow, that
Speaker 2: you was shocked that you went to Brazil.
Speaker 1: Brazil, ninety thousand people she but there were a few
Speaker 1: that I played sixty thousand. On the average, I played
Speaker 1: twenty five thousand, fifteen thousand. Now light work, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't do.
Speaker 2: I'm like, you put them over there by on that side,
Speaker 2: by bad, yeah, over there on that side, yeah yeah,
Speaker 2: by my bad.
Speaker 5: Oh, come on, you're supposed to be holding the chair,
Speaker 5: not Jamie Jesus.
Speaker 1: Yeah, riggers, ramming, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. I
Speaker 1: called us do super fingers. The fu's Graham Jones.
Speaker 2: You just want to shine out of here, bro.
Speaker 1: So you said Brazil is ninety thousand people. Get the
Speaker 1: ship out of me. What was really cool about it?
Speaker 7: It's like.
Speaker 1: The big E d M DJs. They do that ship
Speaker 1: in the regular So when I first okay, got into
Speaker 1: playing with them on the lineup, I remember my my
Speaker 1: agents said, I'm gonna put you on the lineup. That's
Speaker 1: a little different from what you used to do in
Speaker 1: the clubs, you know. And the whole ship, you know,
Speaker 1: it's this E d M DJ So I'm like, what
Speaker 1: does that mean? Electronic dance music. I'm cocky as a motherfucker,
Speaker 1: you know. I'm even the office, the whole ship. We
Speaker 1: drive to the to the to the thing for the
Speaker 1: sound check. This is the first time here at a
Speaker 1: d M. I'm looking at what I'm getting read of
Speaker 1: the plane in front of Nervous is a motherfucker. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I never did no ship like this outdoors, me and
Speaker 1: my little lonely turntables in this gigantic ass tape stage
Speaker 1: with nothing on it. I said to myself, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have to do this a little. I'm not to go
Speaker 1: seriously hip hop with this ship. One thing about the
Speaker 1: E d M DJ is they grabbed. They acquired those
Speaker 1: audiences very easily, but they ain't asked the audience to
Speaker 1: do anything.
Speaker 7: I'm like, oh m hm, I I'm going.
Speaker 1: Into laptop e hip hop paray. I'm gonna flip this
Speaker 1: motherfucker upside down and yep, Apache take me to the
Speaker 1: Mardi Gras.
Speaker 7: Weren't that bitch.
Speaker 1: Down.
Speaker 7: From that point on, I said to myself, this is
Speaker 7: what I want to do on this level.
Speaker 1: I got to insert hip hop and every anti hip
Speaker 1: hop circuit possible so they know what we fucking DJs
Speaker 1: can do.
Speaker 2: To see.
Speaker 1: Ninety thousand people go like this, yes, stupid that energy
Speaker 1: Mine Woggley And then I talked to some of these
Speaker 1: idiom fans. It says.
Speaker 7: We come from nineties hip hop.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 7: I'm like, well, he says, yeah, we come from eighties
Speaker 7: and nineties hip hop. But we just got introduced to
Speaker 7: this is where we are.
Speaker 1: So when I'm playing these joints, motherfucker's just reacting. I'm like,
Speaker 1: let's go hard, let's go apatche, just go this and
Speaker 1: that that flip the whole room upside down. Wonderful, look, man, wonderful.
Speaker 1: Look what's going on with the scram Scoop? So good
Speaker 1: to see your baby.
Speaker 5: Because when scramplay DM, he takes ecstasy.
Speaker 1: I guess you got it. You don't have that experience.
Speaker 1: You don't, I'll just ask, you know. That's what talk about.
Speaker 1: I'm straight sober when I play because I got I'm
Speaker 1: seeing things go reverse fort reverse forward four six six
Speaker 1: four four six, the inversion. I gotta be really sober
Speaker 1: when I do it, you know. But you know, you know,
Speaker 1: out of all of this, I love the idea of
Speaker 1: watching my mechanics and watched people like Scram play.
Speaker 5: Not the name Flash right? Was you a comic book guy?
Speaker 11: No?
Speaker 7: I got Flash on Flash Gordon.
Speaker 18: No.
Speaker 1: I lived nine twenty seven Fox Street in the Bronx
Speaker 1: and then down the block. One of my best friends
Speaker 1: was named Gordon. Now what I did do is I
Speaker 1: ran fast. I ran fast, so Gordon named me Flash.
Speaker 1: And then three years later I moved my UH set
Speaker 1: and I got down with a gentleman by the name
Speaker 1: of Me and Jean, and it was it was on
Speaker 1: Boston Road where I started doing my parties at a
Speaker 1: place called the Black.
Speaker 7: Door, right, And.
Speaker 1: I want to say seventy two, seventy three, seventy four,
Speaker 1: I can't remember exactly.
Speaker 7: One of the most notorious gangsters.
Speaker 1: Like, when we did our parties, we knew our motherfuckers
Speaker 1: is gonna try to pluck it up, so we had security.
Speaker 1: Some people were allowed to carry the gun, some weren't.
Speaker 1: Joe Kid was allowed to carry the gun. We knew
Speaker 1: he wasn't gonna pop off for nobody. He was kind
Speaker 1: of just watching my back him in a castanovs, right.
Speaker 1: So yeah, they were security. They were my security, you know,
Speaker 1: along with the Boston Road Boston roll crew. And it
Speaker 1: was New Year's seven. I'm gonna say seventy three, let
Speaker 1: me say seventy four. Let me just say I'm bad
Speaker 1: with days. After the party was over, he says, you
Speaker 1: handle those turntables like a grand master. Oh, I'm like,
Speaker 1: what did you just say? He says, you handle these
Speaker 1: turntables like a grand master. The next day I went
Speaker 1: to every library possible trying to find out what that
Speaker 1: word meant. Karate, right, and then karate and the people
Speaker 1: that do the chest. Bruce Lee was big with us
Speaker 1: back in the day. If he was a DJing party
Speaker 1: and we was going to see Bruce Lee, Bruce Lee
Speaker 1: was big so and I can remember after Joe Kidd
Speaker 1: did that, I'm walking down the street because I was
Speaker 1: just DJ Flash.
Speaker 7: Now I'm going.
Speaker 1: Master, grand Master flash.
Speaker 7: Master, rand Master, rand Master Flash.
Speaker 1: And I got used to it, and did Rach Hanner
Speaker 1: put it on the flyers grand Master Flash and the
Speaker 1: beat box, you know, and then our crowd just got
Speaker 1: bigger and bigger and bigger, you know.
Speaker 2: And now you, you and Grandmaster Cast ever had anything
Speaker 2: because of the grand Master's.
Speaker 9: I mean.
Speaker 1: Grand Master Cast was called something else before that original
Speaker 1: grand Master. You know, I have, I mean me and it.
Speaker 7: We love each other, we ain't be for with each other, right, But.
Speaker 2: So how did you feel like because you had to
Speaker 2: use the first grand Master, then he was going about
Speaker 2: a different name and then he came up with grand Master.
Speaker 1: I mean, we we grew up together. I didn't. I
Speaker 1: didn't have no problem with it. You know, It's just
Speaker 1: that I learned quickly because I was an idiot when
Speaker 1: I signed to sugar Hill. When I got older, it's
Speaker 1: like anything you do copyrighted trademarket because what happened to
Speaker 1: me in the record business. So I you know, if
Speaker 1: you're going to use it, if you're gonna use grand Master,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pop up first.
Speaker 7: So there are a few people that want to call himself.
Speaker 1: Grand Master, but they're saying Joseph Sadler is the owner
Speaker 1: of the title.
Speaker 7: Joseph Sadler's me.
Speaker 1: You know, you learned. You learn when you get burned,
Speaker 1: you learn. And it was a time when I was ignorant.
Speaker 1: I'm dumb, So you get smart after a while and
Speaker 1: you pick a shit out, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: How competitive were were you guys, the different crews back then?
Speaker 1: You know something, we didn't really battle with each other
Speaker 1: too much. You know now that you know hindsight is this.
Speaker 1: We were like four corporations. Breakout had the North, Cork
Speaker 1: had the West, I had the East, Bam had Bronx River.
Speaker 1: Whenever I wasn't playing, I go see herk or I'd
Speaker 1: go see Bam, I go see Breakout. Me and Breakout
Speaker 1: never played together. I think that bad or HERK played together,
Speaker 1: but I never played with HERK. Me and band played together,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't. This thing didn't become a battle thing
Speaker 1: until the next tier came, because now people is battling
Speaker 1: for their existence. The fourth fors Hacken was already kings
Speaker 1: in our whole lives. We were established. So all the
Speaker 1: crews that became the understudies or became prodigies, now they're
Speaker 1: battling for this. And that's when a lot of people
Speaker 1: were going into different territories. But with the first four,
Speaker 1: the problem why we we didn't play with each other
Speaker 1: whole lot is because the gang violence was.
Speaker 7: Nuts.
Speaker 1: You go into a wrong area, you might not make
Speaker 1: it out of there. So and I'm talking about the
Speaker 1: black space of Black Pearls, Savage Skulls, seven, Immortal Freeze Donation,
Speaker 1: because that's what right now. Now we're gonna go into
Speaker 1: Bam so Bam shopping for records having the most beats
Speaker 1: Numero Uno Bam had more beats. If you played a
Speaker 1: patche he had four different versions. If you played the bells,
Speaker 1: he had six different versions. He had records like where
Speaker 1: did you get that from? Kind of records. You couldn't
Speaker 1: fuck with his collection. So let's not look past the
Speaker 1: situation that he's in right now.
Speaker 7: If I were to.
Speaker 1: Do a short blurb on Bam, King of the Beats,
Speaker 1: absolutely and he's doing that calmed down this gang violent shit.
Speaker 1: And I think, personally, in my opinion, if he didn't
Speaker 1: do that, they wouldn't have been too many block parties
Speaker 1: because their motherfuckers would have been up in there shooting,
Speaker 1: stabbing the whole shit. So a lot of them groups
Speaker 1: he turned them around, and then these groups became security
Speaker 1: for a lot of us, like a lot of the
Speaker 1: Black Spades and the Pearls became casting overs. They were
Speaker 1: my crew that rode with me on security, along with
Speaker 1: the Boss and road crew. So he that that day
Speaker 1: he did he did a big thing there. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Uh, I miss him, but you know
Speaker 1: he's sitting on the situation that he's in.
Speaker 7: He was big on that.
Speaker 1: Uh HERK if I do a short blurb on him.
Speaker 1: He had a sound system that we all wanted. He
Speaker 1: could play some of these old old house party records
Speaker 1: on his sound system, and that ship was absolutely amazing.
Speaker 17: His ship was.
Speaker 1: In incredible sounding. His record collection was also pretty decent.
Speaker 1: The technical aspect, me and him, we go back with that,
Speaker 1: back and forth with that. I say me, he say him,
Speaker 1: wait it again for part, the technical part or who
Speaker 1: did one on the ones and the whole ship and
Speaker 1: how it works out? You know, his thing it's called
Speaker 1: America around minus is called the quick Mixedterey, you know.
Speaker 1: And I love the ground he walks on. You know.
Speaker 1: When he got sick, I was one of the first
Speaker 1: first people looking for him, and I went to Yankee Stadium,
Speaker 1: not to only see the acts, but just strictly to
Speaker 1: go see him in his dressing room and see how
Speaker 1: he's doing.
Speaker 7: I'm saying, what's up, old man?
Speaker 1: He said, Yo, I'm cool, old man, I says, Man,
Speaker 1: lots of wars, lots of we went through, you know.
Speaker 7: He looks at me. I look at him.
Speaker 1: I said, I ain't fight no fucking more. He said,
Speaker 1: I ain't fight no more either. Man. We're too old
Speaker 1: for that shit.
Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But now it's a time. Yeah, yeah, Cause me and
Speaker 1: Heck we hurt. We battle about who did what and
Speaker 1: what did who?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 19: You know so me.
Speaker 1: I think these years now this year especially Nori is
Speaker 1: show and tell no more quiet, holding it, marking it,
Speaker 1: you know, and hiding what it is. It's time for
Speaker 1: Hirk's crew to talk. It's time for a Breakour's crew
Speaker 1: to talk. It's time for band like it should be.
Speaker 1: And quite frankly, I would love it if all of
Speaker 1: us can sit down at one table. This will be
Speaker 1: the biggest This would be the biggest story and hip
Speaker 1: hop ever, just sit down, have it and tell stories.
Speaker 1: How was it at your mom and dad's house and
Speaker 1: how was it and what got you into it? I'm
Speaker 1: telling you my portion of it, but it's three more
Speaker 1: and that adds on to how this thing progressed.
Speaker 2: All right, So it's four y'all to get together. And
Speaker 2: then y'all say we want to add one MC.
Speaker 1: Why you gotta fuck with me regard actually give you
Speaker 1: if I want to have one MC, one wrapper one
Speaker 1: in this.
Speaker 2: Y'all falling one rapper at Eddy ever in time, any
Speaker 2: area in time. I'm getting the about it any aer
Speaker 2: in time, won man, It's on you, everyone say flash
Speaker 2: just you will to pick the m C.
Speaker 1: Every MC want to be there too, Okay, m HM
Speaker 1: one one. I'm not Yeah, that was warned about your father.
Speaker 7: Want to he said, are you gonna ask.
Speaker 1: Getting questions? One?
Speaker 5: I want see join y'all at dinner and talk some ship.
Speaker 1: It's up to you not to one one Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I get you too.
Speaker 20: Before if you were still here, I would say cowboy
Speaker 20: que cowboy yeah makes a noise, fag.
Speaker 3: Don't forget the fourth the blurb for the fourth. But
Speaker 3: you said body he said, hrk yourself.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and breakout?
Speaker 1: Did you say the blurb for him? What you would
Speaker 1: say about him? All?
Speaker 2: Breakout because he's like, out of everyone that you name,
Speaker 2: he's like the.
Speaker 5: Least known of right.
Speaker 7: That's that's why I wanted.
Speaker 1: Breakout first DJ to have a female MC shot Rock
Speaker 1: up the shot Rock Shot Rock, you know, Like now, I.
Speaker 7: I felt so sorry for us because this is the
Speaker 7: male dominated that.
Speaker 1: Was grew up on my back down right now, absolutely connected,
Speaker 1: I'm going back get it. She was only the MC
Speaker 1: that and she had to contend with all of us.
Speaker 1: You know, So DJ Breakout in the four plus one,
Speaker 1: so break your Shot Rock has shot Rock sound system.
Speaker 1: It wasn't pretty like herks, but that ship was loud
Speaker 1: like hurks and if I could speak scientifically, his base
Speaker 1: bottoms will reverse. The wolf was put in reverse and
Speaker 1: he threw the hole in the back. They re poored
Speaker 1: it and he had him angled. They were garbage cans,
Speaker 1: the big garbage cag with the base bottoms. So when
Speaker 1: he played the big beat boo like the bass was
Speaker 1: like gum. It was incredible. He had an amazing sound system.
Speaker 1: Was called the Mighty Sasquatch was called the Hercules Mines,
Speaker 1: was called the Gladiator. But my ship was kind of whack.
Speaker 1: Bands was just I don't know what bands was called.
Speaker 1: I don't think BAM had a name, you know, but
Speaker 1: these are the things that I love talking about.
Speaker 2: We love hearing it now, White lines how much cocaine
Speaker 2: was in that studio session.
Speaker 7: This guy, let me be totally honest with you.
Speaker 2: By that time, by the way, we was looking at
Speaker 2: the lyrics coming here.
Speaker 1: I don't write lyrics, okay, So like we were probably
Speaker 1: the tightest unit in the streets, mean and five, you know,
Speaker 1: we just go being easy, Mike. Then when we got
Speaker 1: into the record situation and I realized that we weren't
Speaker 1: weren't in a great situation. I was the first one
Speaker 1: that wanted to leave. Uh, but it didn't happen that way.
Speaker 1: So from the six of us, three went with me
Speaker 1: to Electra and three pretty much stayed back. That record
Speaker 1: was on its way to being made. We left by then,
Speaker 1: so Mel and the rest of them made that record.
Speaker 1: So that's actually million Maail's record.
Speaker 5: Wow, I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 2: Whenever I met a like a like a like a
Speaker 2: white industry party and that record, come on, you know, I.
Speaker 1: Know the white people, but I know it's a great
Speaker 1: Millie is a great rid. But by that time we
Speaker 1: had split, you know, and yeah, that was his record.
Speaker 6: You found out sample of the Cavern.
Speaker 2: Of course I did right your record because people credit
Speaker 2: that to the some say reality rap. Right, so people
Speaker 2: say that's the first song that details reality rap.
Speaker 1: And then some people.
Speaker 2: Outright say that that is the first message because white
Speaker 2: message was first. Yeah, but that's broken glass. Everybo thea
Speaker 2: talking about getting coked. That's a message I ain't gonna
Speaker 2: live man, white. And we thought they were subtle until
Speaker 2: this morning we listened to the white White.
Speaker 1: Dig I'm like, Diego, you know, it's record better than me.
Speaker 1: But I come to find out Diego's.
Speaker 2: He's he's reading the words and I'm like, damn, these
Speaker 2: words are pretty foul.
Speaker 1: Like a great writer, tell me split by till me split,
Speaker 1: and uh they continued on, and we continued on with
Speaker 1: an electro pretty much.
Speaker 2: Sylvia Rome wasn't there yet all Sylvia Rome was there.
Speaker 1: She's not.
Speaker 7: She wasn't in a powerful position.
Speaker 1: And she said now and she deserves every bit of
Speaker 1: what she did because she was always the first one
Speaker 1: to say, let's work it out.
Speaker 7: She didn't she she didn't really Sylvia.
Speaker 1: It wasn't really business business talking was more like friendship,
Speaker 1: like what does you what you want to do?
Speaker 7: How can we make it work? Could we tweak it
Speaker 7: a little bit?
Speaker 1: You know? She had like a heart. That's how I
Speaker 1: remember m Sylvia Sylvia Rome.
Speaker 2: And how about the masters? Did you guys go back
Speaker 2: and get your masters?
Speaker 1: Like everyone?
Speaker 18: No?
Speaker 2: Whoa so yeah?
Speaker 1: I said no. That got a little messy with the
Speaker 1: record label and the group. Yeah, you know, because after
Speaker 1: a while we we broke up. We all went out
Speaker 1: in separate ways. I went on and did what I
Speaker 1: had to do, but then we got back together to
Speaker 1: figure out how we could.
Speaker 7: Make this happen.
Speaker 1: Because New World now, shit could be played on things
Speaker 1: like Spotify and all this. It's a new all these
Speaker 1: new lanes and the whole ship. So we had to
Speaker 1: get together and figure out how we could. So we
Speaker 1: got a company who handles that right now, so we
Speaker 1: get royalties coming in, you know, I get a couple
Speaker 1: of checks now finally, So it's it's not bad. I
Speaker 1: do think if I had understood the business back then,
Speaker 1: things would have been financially much better now.
Speaker 7: But you live and you learn.
Speaker 1: You know, there's some things, you know a lot of things.
Speaker 1: I'm perfect at that type ship contract with illegal and
Speaker 1: this and that that that didn't have a clue about that.
Speaker 7: But now our ship plays, we get paid.
Speaker 2: And Rick James was the first person to tell you
Speaker 2: because this like roomors like even a prince like not
Speaker 2: wanting to deal with artists who didn't own their masters that, yeah.
Speaker 1: He didn't want to deal with artists like not not
Speaker 1: not to with it, like he didn't want to nas.
Speaker 2: It's the famous story like we act nas like what
Speaker 2: is the person that turned you down? And now I said,
Speaker 2: one time he asked Prince to get on the record,
Speaker 2: and Prince just asked him, do you own your master's
Speaker 2: and then Nas was like no, and he was just like, yeah,
Speaker 2: well get back to me.
Speaker 1: When you own you probably you probably he knew what
Speaker 1: the game was like. And this is back then Prince
Speaker 1: ben dead like ye, Like.
Speaker 3: He said something like I don't want to put the
Speaker 3: like the executives of the I don't want to put
Speaker 3: their kids through college.
Speaker 5: I'll put yours. That's hard, that's hard, that's hard, you
Speaker 5: know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I think of how young Prince was and think.
Speaker 2: About how much he must have like NOAs my brother,
Speaker 2: think how much he must have fucked Nas up. But
Speaker 2: you know, you know, you don't expect that, like you
Speaker 2: can't do a record with me? Yeah, do you own
Speaker 2: your own master's you know what I mean? Like that
Speaker 2: feels it's probably like the smartest answer you could probably
Speaker 2: you know, answer with So.
Speaker 1: WHOA I didn't know about I didn't know that about
Speaker 1: prin don't know that about Rick James.
Speaker 2: Because like Rick telling you, like yo, you're schooling you
Speaker 2: about publishing? Was that like like that type of insensative
Speaker 2: I knew I was in trouble after I talked to Rick.
Speaker 2: Business wise, I knew cocaine and all that. Rick still
Speaker 2: knew his ship.
Speaker 1: I knew we was in deep ship. We know, uh
Speaker 1: learning the business because we learned the business too late. Wow,
Speaker 1: we was really young. So but I'll say this again,
Speaker 1: with the work that I put into this, that's why
Speaker 1: I say birthday, I don't give a fuck about it
Speaker 1: my death day. What am I going to be behind
Speaker 1: for you younger people?
Speaker 2: Yeah, because man, I'm gonna just tell you man like
Speaker 2: you are, like, I'm gonna I'm gonna read a message
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna y'all tell.
Speaker 7: Me and I want to talk about some people.
Speaker 1: Many you gotta return whatever you you said something up
Speaker 1: over there too. Yeah, get me to do some Get
Speaker 1: me do the analog version.
Speaker 2: This is someone who says Grandmaster Flash to not hear
Speaker 2: his name mentioned in the Crazy Legs with disrespect. F
Speaker 2: y I Kirk cannot dj as we do today, he
Speaker 2: cannot blend records. Flash invented turntable lism as we know
Speaker 2: it today. There's no debating this. Flash invented the slip matt,
Speaker 2: which required a slip matt and the art of juggling
Speaker 2: a record to seamlessly extend a break, which allowed a
Speaker 2: rapper to wrap.
Speaker 1: Cowboy was the.
Speaker 2: First one to do it Kirk and Bambarda did it
Speaker 2: like Jamaican's.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that was I don't know if
Speaker 1: that was like a shot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, hold on, I was born in the Bronx and
Speaker 2: did it like Jamaicans did. They just chucked the records
Speaker 2: and breaks on without blended. Herk refused to learn how
Speaker 2: to juggle flash style and has invented flash to advised
Speaker 2: Flash to this day, Flash can tell you the story himself.
Speaker 2: You need to interview him. He's the godfather of hip hop.
Speaker 2: Herk was the godfather of hip hop party. Bambada had
Speaker 2: the streets, big Big, I got you, I.
Speaker 1: Got I got said, I don't know what they took
Speaker 1: a shot?
Speaker 6: Yea, what did you?
Speaker 1: What do you think about?
Speaker 9: The hell?
Speaker 17: On?
Speaker 11: Who?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 10: Just let many.
Speaker 1: Okay, y okay, okay, lady. The enemy, that's the enemy.
Speaker 1: It come to the turntable wants to cut me off.
Speaker 1: So when you first bought the turntable, it comes with this.
Speaker 3: And I'm gonna tell you, ladies and gentlemen, okay, Mike
Speaker 3: move man.
Speaker 1: I do not to this day, fifty two years later,
Speaker 1: I don't understand what the purpose of this survey, because,
Speaker 1: like I told you earlier in the interview. The disco
Speaker 1: DJ had a long runway I roll with it was
Speaker 1: really short. So when I moved the microphone closer to him, guys,
Speaker 1: So when I put the record, I'm saying to myself,
Speaker 1: I gotta get to the beat quicker and connect the
Speaker 1: duplicate records quicker to make the seamless loop when I
Speaker 1: put the needle down, because this is the right way,
Speaker 1: which is being sarcastic. That's when he says the way, Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is the right way to DJ, because that's the
Speaker 1: way we're doing it. That's the way they DJ. But
Speaker 1: when I started figuring out when I look at when
Speaker 1: I looked at the record, I knew to myself, Flash,
Speaker 1: it is fucking impossible. Because you look at the record
Speaker 1: this she got ten million grooves. How can I pick
Speaker 1: the arm up and hit that spot every time and
Speaker 1: keep it seamless and smooth. It's impossible. And that's when
Speaker 1: I started thinking to myself, I have to learn how
Speaker 1: to play the turntable the wrong way. I have to
Speaker 1: go outside of what the norm was according to the
Speaker 1: disco DJs and the non disco DJs that were heavy
Speaker 1: on their tone arm and my first move was to
Speaker 1: study the components.
Speaker 7: The cartridge.
Speaker 1: Contriin comes in two classifications, ceramic and magnetic. The ceramic
Speaker 1: culture came out in the sixties the seventies, but it
Speaker 1: didn't translate well over records that had heavy bottom. So
Speaker 1: here comes to the magnetic cartridge. Then I studied the needle.
Speaker 1: The needle was called the stylist. Stylist comes in two classifications.
Speaker 1: There's the elliptical. Now this is the groove. The elliptical
Speaker 1: needles sat in the groove halfway because when I tried
Speaker 1: to spin it back, it kept spinning out of the groove.
Speaker 1: It's epherical. Conical needle was shaped.
Speaker 7: Like a nail.
Speaker 1: So when that sat in the groove, and I went
Speaker 1: back and stayed in the groove. Although the elyptical needle
Speaker 1: sound better, the conical needles sound like shit, but it
Speaker 1: stayed inside of the groove. Needle figured out turntable. I
Speaker 1: went in the backyard, took as many turntables out of
Speaker 1: this brown Blox stereos that was in the backyard. Maga
Speaker 1: the box Fisher price seen if One day I was
Speaker 1: coming home from the school, there was a store and
Speaker 1: a Hunts Point. Part of the Bronx called Dick mar
Speaker 1: There was this gray battleship, nasty looking table in the window.
Speaker 1: It had these things on it looked like they had
Speaker 1: the mumps. I go inside this door and I say
Speaker 1: to the first salesperson, I'm doing a study on turntables.
Speaker 1: Is it possible because you take that turntable out of
Speaker 1: the window because I'm doing his study. He says, I'll
Speaker 1: be right back. He comes right back with two football
Speaker 1: player dudes, because he was under the impression that I
Speaker 1: was trying to steal or take the turntable, and I says, no, sir,
Speaker 1: I was not. I'm doing a study on turntables, and
Speaker 1: I just want you to just put it on account
Speaker 1: to plug it in because I want to test something.
Speaker 1: And what I wanted to test is when the platter
Speaker 1: is in a state of inertia, how long does it
Speaker 1: take to pick up the speed? Turntables back then took
Speaker 1: a whole turn, half a turn, three quarters of a turn.
Speaker 1: Just particular turntable picked up in a quarter of a turn,
Speaker 1: which meant the tor the muscle on that platter will
Speaker 1: be able to go clocklockwise while I went counterclockwise. The
Speaker 1: big problem was I didn't have the money, so I
Speaker 1: asked at Vicmar, which was the name of the store,
Speaker 1: how much would the turntables. He says, there's seventy five
Speaker 1: dollars apiece. And I looked down at the company. I
Speaker 1: never heard of it before. It was this little label
Speaker 1: called Techniques thirty five dollars apiece and we ain't got
Speaker 1: me a messager job. I worked at Cramp text Fabrics
Speaker 1: fourteenth for a boat throwaway and I went delivering swatches
Speaker 1: to different company and this is swatches is like the
Speaker 1: material that design is used before they make the outfit.
Speaker 1: I also used to go to the supermarkets and any
Speaker 1: elderly person that needed help with their their their bags,
Speaker 1: their groceries and stuff, I would help them to their house.
Speaker 1: So I had to make one hundred and fifty dollars
Speaker 1: to get these two turntables. And when I finally got
Speaker 1: them and I got them home, there was this big
Speaker 1: nasty rubber thing on this Now in my mind, I'm
Speaker 1: already saying to myself, I have to be able to
Speaker 1: go counterclockwise, and when you try to go counterclockwise with that,
Speaker 1: you will notice the whole platter is going counterclockwise. I'm
Speaker 1: like no, this is not working. My mother was a seamstress.
Speaker 1: I watched her make our clothes polyester rayon, silk, cotton, leather,
Speaker 1: swede felt.
Speaker 6: Let me, that's case saying.
Speaker 1: Felt. I remember member felt because in grade school we
Speaker 1: used to cut out letters and if you cut out
Speaker 1: letters looking really good, you get five stars. You'll be
Speaker 1: going home.
Speaker 16: Mommy would like love you open that up. So felt,
Speaker 16: it's limb, pray limb.
Speaker 1: This became the enemy. Well, mom wasn't looking. No before Mom,
Speaker 1: I ran to the material store because I used to
Speaker 1: watch the ball make clothes. I'm going through the.
Speaker 13: Aisles polyester, rayon, cotton, silk.
Speaker 1: Felt. I bought two pieces felt that was the size
Speaker 1: of two albums and it was very very length the felt.
Speaker 1: So when Mom was looking, I did. I took this
Speaker 1: spray starch and I sprayed it on what I called
Speaker 1: the wafer, and I called it a way for ladies
Speaker 1: and gentlemen. It's because during the Easter, Mom used to
Speaker 1: get us shark and take us to the neighborhood church.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if you guys know about this.
Speaker 1: What during the easy to give you this to a
Speaker 1: white wafer thing to eat I called it a wafer.
Speaker 1: And when I ironed it and I put it on
Speaker 1: the turntable, I called it a wafer an the other
Speaker 1: ones today. But there was what the opponent missing. Let me,
Speaker 1: let me, let me get that part.
Speaker 21: When I put the wafer on top of the platter
Speaker 21: and I put the record on top of the wafer,
Speaker 21: there still was a degree of resistance because I could
Speaker 21: feel it. My sisters on my mom used to make
Speaker 21: these chocolate chip cookies on this type of paper.
Speaker 1: I cut out the circle amount of it, and then
Speaker 1: I put I put the wax paper on this on
Speaker 1: the platter, and I put the wafer on the wax paper,
Speaker 1: and I put the record on the wafer, and now
Speaker 1: no resistance. When I went counter clockwise, problem solved.
Speaker 6: How long is that presence?
Speaker 1: Give me a second four block or with six counterclockwise.
Speaker 1: This is where I got stuck. And this is where
Speaker 1: I almost walked away. When I walked away, for about
Speaker 1: two or three weeks, I got stuck. Why is it
Speaker 1: the vinyl going four bars? Let's take good times? Four bars?
Speaker 1: Do do do do do, don't do doom doom doom
Speaker 1: do do do do do do do do four bars. Statistically,
Speaker 1: it takes the brain four bars to understand a new song.
Speaker 1: So for me, the problem for me was I had to.
Speaker 22: Play the songs the wrong way. So what I did was,
Speaker 22: first things first, I put crayon on.
Speaker 1: The mark because this break happens to be on the top.
Speaker 1: So now we're gonna do this with one record first,
Speaker 1: four boss first, and we're gonna count four bars one, two,
Speaker 1: three and four right now, four boss forward? Why is
Speaker 1: it if I bring it back four bars? Why might
Speaker 1: wrong place? Four bosses went by? It passed the line
Speaker 1: four four times, and this.
Speaker 16: Is what stoped me, goes Ram, you wear your white
Speaker 16: hand wall loom.
Speaker 6: Don't don't as the.
Speaker 1: Going I wear four moss, Like, why didn't I go
Speaker 1: fit the best? Why?
Speaker 6: Why it's not really a clear instagram?
Speaker 1: Don't answer that with the speed. No it doesn't. That's
Speaker 1: to me. That's what I'm thinking.
Speaker 6: Speed if necessarily amount of it?
Speaker 1: Answer, but she was choo, I don't know what he
Speaker 1: did guns right? Go on?
Speaker 23: Okay, it's because the average you were cloth the average
Speaker 23: seed all that album best falls inside fins thirty three.
Speaker 13: And a third.
Speaker 1: Because of forty five that will.
Speaker 6: Be different than.
Speaker 24: Say eight the same year season two more, but I
Speaker 24: have to re arrive on the top of the break,
Speaker 24: and I'm.
Speaker 1: Gonna show you how it works. And the Bird of
Speaker 1: the Quick three weeks to feel three, three weeks I
Speaker 1: walked away. I was mad at the fall four pause
Speaker 1: four with why can't I go? Four bars back? And
Speaker 1: I'm in the wrong place.
Speaker 6: I got a question.
Speaker 1: So any any speed be right? Eddie speed me four
Speaker 1: to six, four to six, forty six, any b any
Speaker 1: speed forty five, thirty three, sixteen, she could be a
Speaker 1: that could be whatever right, I'm gonna show you. Member, man,
Speaker 1: hell but I'm kind of seeing four. Okay, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: show you right now, let's do. Let's go through it, man,
Speaker 1: let's go. Let's go through it now. Good, let's go.
Speaker 1: And I'm doing the real basic, no fancy ship seem
Speaker 1: as lou.
Speaker 19: One two three four five six shick throw, one shoe
Speaker 19: three four five six shack.
Speaker 11: Throw.
Speaker 1: Let's do it with a rock record. When I told him,
Speaker 1: I howk that ship? Let's go.
Speaker 25: We a white point record, down, white record, right down,
Speaker 25: here we go. One tchoo three four five six shack
Speaker 25: throw one two three four five six check.
Speaker 1: Throw.
Speaker 25: Let's use a jazz record. This's a jazz record. This
Speaker 25: is a Jazz records tough line two three four five
Speaker 25: six check bro one two three four five six check.
Speaker 8: Now.
Speaker 1: So now, now there's some songs that are an exception
Speaker 1: to the rule and it's just two bars. And if
Speaker 1: it's two bars, now this becomes two b effort, this
Speaker 1: becomes three counterclockwise resume revolutions, full loop extractions all at this.
Speaker 26: How I almost slipped on this record when I heard
Speaker 26: this and I put I put the deed.
Speaker 1: Now this one. When I went in a record shop,
Speaker 1: this death. It was annoying as fucking It was long
Speaker 1: as fuck. I almost missed this bitch, and so I
Speaker 1: let it play for a little while.
Speaker 8: One two three check call one two three check go
Speaker 8: one true three check call. This is the quick knick
Speaker 8: theory because no, it's because the drunk PAM was so short. Okay,
Speaker 8: so if because most of.
Speaker 6: Those were similar to BPM.
Speaker 1: So my question is would that apply for a one
Speaker 1: a house factor or something like that. I'll try that.
Speaker 1: I never tried that, But it has to be four bars,
Speaker 1: because four bars for four bars like this this this device, this,
Speaker 1: this device is static. So four bars on a house
Speaker 1: record would still be six counterclockwise to get back to
Speaker 1: the beginning of that particular section. You did what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: if it's a house beat and it goes into something
Speaker 1: funky for four bars, you still would have to go
Speaker 1: six count of clockwise to get back with it. Because
Speaker 1: this is static. So this works with a record, a
Speaker 1: rock record, a jazz record, a blues record, and every
Speaker 1: genre of records in the world. So when I figured
Speaker 1: this out, this, yes, all of them. This is what
Speaker 1: made me so this is this is what made me dangerous.
Speaker 1: This is what made me dangerous, and this is what
Speaker 1: made DJs had to go back and retool because they
Speaker 1: all I'm gonna try, I'm gonna try. This is what
Speaker 1: I call let's use seven minutes, let's use that. Have
Speaker 1: you on a tone on. I don't give a fuck
Speaker 1: who you are. It is impossible to do what I
Speaker 1: just did by just doing the tone arm. Now you
Speaker 1: have no control of the record. You're doing this. That's
Speaker 1: peak rock causes trade record. A rapper cannot wrap on this.
Speaker 1: A dancer maybe they could dance all that.
Speaker 27: Just now you have no control, no control, right transition
Speaker 27: the law come on talking, no, no, no, don't talking,
Speaker 27: don't talk in private.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 6: The sign between the drops. I seem like you disgratuated,
Speaker 6: like bringing it.
Speaker 1: Back now.
Speaker 6: That what's the sign that this is?
Speaker 1: This is this is DJing the right way. This is
Speaker 1: DJing the right way. You don't put your hands on
Speaker 1: the record too much. You don't you know, and you
Speaker 1: put it down and you move it over right, scram
Speaker 1: We break the law. Louie turned this into a more code.
Speaker 1: We break the law. We're touching our fingertipty and making
Speaker 1: the record dirty. We're putting stress on the platter. This
Speaker 1: is breaking the law. And it took me almost three
Speaker 1: years to break the law.
Speaker 25: And when I did this, when all rappers in front.
Speaker 1: Of me, he's in good hands telling his story. And
Speaker 1: this is when the rappers who were I mean the
Speaker 1: producers who were DJs. They knew how to take a
Speaker 1: seamless loop and put it into a machine and then
Speaker 1: produce the shit out of the fucking beat. So when
Speaker 1: people like Nori walk in and says wraps and get out,
Speaker 1: he's in good hands. Producer gonna gonna complete the mix.
Speaker 1: You know how a recording console. It's like fifty two
Speaker 1: fadus a lot of work to put a record together.
Speaker 1: This is the type of ship that I'm talking about,
Speaker 1: nor that needs to be talked about. Throw him in jail.
Speaker 1: You're breaking along a long time.
Speaker 6: What about forty.
Speaker 1: Material material quake time? Break him in.
Speaker 5: No, I wait for he to come back for that one. Damn,
Speaker 5: I ain't never better.
Speaker 2: Okay, we didn't actually we talked about Rick James. We
Speaker 2: didn't understand. We didn't talk about the meaning of that record.
Speaker 2: Which one p I m P the s I m
Speaker 2: P SIMP that's mel did that record with him? I
Speaker 2: didn't even know about the record. Simp the pimp something
Speaker 2: like that, Yeah, pimp the sim.
Speaker 1: You know it is. And this is the ship that
Speaker 1: got Sylvia so pissed off because Sylvia Robbinson, what cause
Speaker 1: sugar Hill Motown called sugar Hill for Mail to guest
Speaker 1: star on a Rick James record. So, but Rick James
Speaker 1: knew who I was, he knew the group, and he
Speaker 1: knew that Grand Master Flash with the trademark, with the
Speaker 1: mark that was going to.
Speaker 7: Sell the record.
Speaker 1: So when he didn't put Melody mail, that made sugar
Speaker 1: Hill Records very angry. But that was a mail and
Speaker 1: that was a deal. Long after I left right, was
Speaker 1: doing a few things that nothing happened. Let's put it
Speaker 1: that way, Okay, okay, But if I had it to
Speaker 1: do over again, I do just exact same way, man,
Speaker 1: because I love what I do, all right?
Speaker 5: And then talk about get down the was that on Netflix?
Speaker 1: Is that based on you?
Speaker 28: No?
Speaker 1: Here's here's the thing about Boss Lehmann. Bos Lehman would
Speaker 1: take this big can and he would make this ship
Speaker 1: look like the most incredible ship ever. And this is
Speaker 1: why I love Boss learning so much because nobody else
Speaker 1: other than the people who made Wild Style gave a
Speaker 1: fuck about wanting to come into the Bronx and film it.
Speaker 1: So when I met him, he wanted me to just
Speaker 1: be to help him with uh how the clothing was
Speaker 1: back then and kind of like a you know, a
Speaker 1: small role. But then what was happening was as he
Speaker 1: was filming, getting putting it together, and he would ask
Speaker 1: me to come down to say, what do you think
Speaker 1: about this scene? I say, that was the wrong area
Speaker 1: of the Bronx, Like he was spending you know a
Speaker 1: lot of money on the wrong area shooting. And so
Speaker 1: then he asked me to be a producer with him,
Speaker 1: and then he asked me to stay home for my toys.
Speaker 7: I said, well, if you can master.
Speaker 1: Money that I make on my toys and I'll stay
Speaker 1: home and he did. Wow. So from there then one day,
Speaker 1: you know, shooting, he says, man, I need to put
Speaker 1: you in this.
Speaker 7: I need to get to find somebody to play you
Speaker 7: in this.
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, let's get the fuck out of here,
Speaker 1: so I'll get down to get down, you know, he
Speaker 1: tells you this.
Speaker 7: You know, I'm going to my area to work.
Speaker 1: He's going to this area to work, like passing each
Speaker 1: other in the hallway, like I'm like, yeah, whatever. About
Speaker 1: three weeks later, I come to work. He asked me
Speaker 1: to come in this office.
Speaker 8: Yo.
Speaker 1: He and I walk in the office and I'm like,
Speaker 1: who's your mother? Just like me, Oh shoo, who's your mother?
Speaker 1: Wait about hold on, yeah, except who's your mother?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Who's who's your How you walking in the office? Who's
Speaker 1: your mother? No?
Speaker 11: No?
Speaker 1: Walk in. I looked at him and I said, because
Speaker 1: I was like, what's your mother's name? Because he looked
Speaker 1: just like me. And sometimes we do things.
Speaker 7: You know, and we don't know.
Speaker 1: On the hunt. No, I thought that he was my son,
Speaker 1: I know, not.
Speaker 5: You know so to smart.
Speaker 1: So bos Bo's got his bozs. You know. He said
Speaker 1: that she to be in pastor in the hallways. So
Speaker 1: I didn't take that shit serious. And then he says,
Speaker 1: your class coming to AUSO, come in to office. I
Speaker 1: want you to meet somebody I'm walking here. He looks
Speaker 1: at me. I look at him. I asked him, what's
Speaker 1: his mother's name? I respectfully, because I mean, I'll say
Speaker 1: I had fun on the road and I did some things,
Speaker 1: you know, and people.
Speaker 2: That is knw listening to this. He is saying he
Speaker 2: was the original snipe flo.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, why over there? Take down? So I
Speaker 1: asked him and then I found out, you know who
Speaker 1: was you know? He told me, told me his background,
Speaker 1: his family background. I was like, okay, let's go to work.
Speaker 7: Let me teach you.
Speaker 1: So I taught him somewhat of the basics. I didn't
Speaker 1: want I didn't want to play the role. He needed
Speaker 1: somebody younger to play a young flash. So he had
Speaker 1: to scour the world in front of somebody, and he
Speaker 1: found he found his dude. That ship I'm Michael. That
Speaker 1: made me think, on planet Earth, we all have a duplicate.
Speaker 1: The double Ganger is that what they called it.
Speaker 3: That's legitimate, what they called a double ganger. Everybody has
Speaker 3: an exact twins somewhere in the world.
Speaker 1: Double ganger.
Speaker 2: Oh ship, I think right, like, Oh, that's bigley up.
Speaker 7: Were especially do before good Kid Man.
Speaker 1: Good Kid took me a by the month to teach
Speaker 1: him how to just do the basics, you know, so
Speaker 1: that you can form on the get down.
Speaker 7: So let me tell you something.
Speaker 1: That was not a realization of the hood in the Bronx.
Speaker 1: But that wasn't the intention, right, The intention was to
Speaker 1: take elements and then glorify it with his story. And
Speaker 1: the one good thing about that that ship gave attention
Speaker 1: to the Bronx. It gave it. Even motherfuckers saying that
Speaker 1: fucking ship was whack. It wasn't real.
Speaker 7: It was whatever gave attention to the Bronx.
Speaker 2: Was you an executive produco in that series?
Speaker 1: I was a producer. I was a producer. Curves Blow
Speaker 1: was the producer. It was a few, but I was
Speaker 1: producers all. It was the greatest experienced to be able
Speaker 1: to just see how a soundtrack is written, and seeing
Speaker 1: the motherfuckers with the strings and the whole ship, and
Speaker 1: to see how a movie is made, like to be
Speaker 1: in the back room and see how it's constructed.
Speaker 7: Fucking amazing.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 1: It filmed in the Bronx. It was filmed in the
Speaker 1: Bronx and it was filmed and then Boz rented the
Speaker 1: area in Queens and this must have been the size
Speaker 1: of ten fucking walmarts and they replicated a bedroom in
Speaker 1: the seventies, they replicated and this is where he asked
Speaker 1: me to go to the clothing department to make sure
Speaker 1: that white clothing at the time, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Silver Cup Studios and Queens.
Speaker 15: Oh was it.
Speaker 1: As soon as you get the bridge. Yeah, this ship
Speaker 1: was like this ship was like a whole city block
Speaker 1: and each room had a replication of like the kitchen,
Speaker 1: a bedroom, you know, clothing and the whole shit. And
Speaker 1: he asked me to just kind of oversee a lot
Speaker 1: of this and then from there he did this glorifying
Speaker 1: thing that he does, but it wasn't real, but he
Speaker 1: damned Sho'll put brocks on a map on it with
Speaker 1: that shit there for real?
Speaker 2: Thinking for that now, on that soundtrack, you got Teddy
Speaker 2: Penneygraft on that soundtrack.
Speaker 5: Yeah, did you work with Teddy Penny.
Speaker 7: Gra No, I actually did the remix on it.
Speaker 5: Oh, that's the remix.
Speaker 1: So what happened was they needed certain records in the
Speaker 1: show with less talking, so he I guess he cut
Speaker 1: a deal with Sony, and Sony allowed me to go
Speaker 1: into the vaults and see the masters, and I was
Speaker 1: able to take masters like I wish I could go
Speaker 1: back in there now, Like you know, you and I
Speaker 1: we we look for that shit forever and ever. But
Speaker 1: imagine going in there and seeing motherfuckers with really white
Speaker 1: coats on. You got to put gloves on because his
Speaker 1: masters are so old that they could break, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I'm looking at like Miles Davis. I'm
Speaker 1: looking at like fucking Cheryl Lane. I'm looking at I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm looking at the mass that made
Speaker 1: these songs that I cut up and do what I do.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the fucking original mask and it was
Speaker 1: tons of them, and they just said go around and
Speaker 1: just pick what you wanted.
Speaker 6: Wow, And they're gonna let you open it.
Speaker 7: Up and you know what you want. And they baked.
Speaker 1: They baked the poppy dams.
Speaker 7: You can't stay. I need a baseline from No no, no.
Speaker 6: No, the.
Speaker 1: Studio they let me do it. They cook the stems
Speaker 1: back because they don't want us, they don't want us
Speaker 1: to have that.
Speaker 6: That's a museum.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, So that's that's pretty much that.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 1: You ever met Prince of Michael. I met Prince when
Speaker 1: I was when I did the Chris Rockshaw was his
Speaker 1: music director, and to sit down with him and just
Speaker 1: talk to him about life, very low speaking, very calm,
Speaker 1: very intelligent. That ship blew my motherfucking mind. Man, to
Speaker 1: see that ship, man, Prince, Prince else I never got
Speaker 1: yet because she's she's really a little guy, little guy,
Speaker 1: you know. So it was wearing heels though, man, whatever
Speaker 1: it was.
Speaker 7: He was a great fucking artist.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was so doing that. Doing that, you know,
Speaker 1: I got a chance to meet you know, that's probably
Speaker 1: when I first the first chance I got to sit
Speaker 1: and talk with jay Z because he came on the show. Wow,
Speaker 1: you know, so I had it was quite a moving
Speaker 1: experience to learn TV. So I've been behind movies and
Speaker 1: I've been behind TV shows and I remember when the
Speaker 1: Chris rock Show was on. She was supposed to be
Speaker 1: just a pilost, but the ship went five years wow,
Speaker 1: and then year five we both said let's let's let's
Speaker 1: jump off on the ship is doing hot, because sometimes
Speaker 1: you could do a sequel sequel, sequel, sequel and she
Speaker 1: just get whack after a while. So he jumped off
Speaker 1: when the.
Speaker 7: Ship was hot.
Speaker 1: It's pretty cool.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about B Street, the street That wasn't me,
Speaker 2: that was Mail twelve and single Vital get the fun.
Speaker 1: Damn you got your name on everything. It was all over, Norrie.
Speaker 1: The business did what the business did. I'm much smarter
Speaker 1: than now, a much moreder now. So limitally are you
Speaker 1: teople who's tuning in right?
Speaker 2: When you google this? When you google this actually comes
Speaker 2: up right, all of these these words with your name
Speaker 2: attacks you're saying for people who don't know that most
Speaker 2: of this this was the record label because your name
Speaker 2: was hotter at the time, or was that name?
Speaker 5: Grand Master Flash and.
Speaker 2: The Furious Five together simultaneously.
Speaker 1: It's that humantained clan. Okay, it's like this here, grand
Speaker 1: Master Flash and the Furious Five. It's six people. Grand
Speaker 1: Master Flash was hot from the streets, made hot by
Speaker 1: the record label. And there was a time when I
Speaker 1: had to go in to court to fight for my
Speaker 1: name because it was getting a little bit out of hand.
Speaker 1: I think at that particular time, I lost everything. But
Speaker 1: when the day came when the judge says that this
Speaker 1: marriage has to be ended, and Joseph Sadness awarded his name,
Speaker 1: this is the court's downtown with the White Steps. Who
Speaker 1: was fighting for your name? The label, the label was
Speaker 1: trying to keep it. So when the judge awarded Sugar Hills.
Speaker 1: So when when when when the judge awarded me my name?
Speaker 7: I ran out the.
Speaker 1: The judge said it in judge terms, and my lawyer
Speaker 1: is looking at me, like, what's.
Speaker 7: The matter with you?
Speaker 1: You just got your name back. I ran out of
Speaker 1: that courtroom. And the way the courtrooms are is like
Speaker 1: the White Steps. I felt that all my knees and
Speaker 1: I thank God, and I was crying like a baby
Speaker 1: because all I wanted was my name back. Whatever you
Speaker 1: took for me financially, okay, fine, please take that. Because
Speaker 1: I think at that particular time, I had done enough
Speaker 1: imprint in the business and our little business of hip
Speaker 1: hop that the world would take me in.
Speaker 7: And they did.
Speaker 1: So that's when I started all over again. I started
Speaker 1: in clubs and I started playing alone. And I took
Speaker 1: the theory to the next level, and eighteen years later,
Speaker 1: here we are. So it was rough, but you know,
Speaker 1: there's faith and his belief, and I'm very spiritual. I'm
Speaker 1: big on gods. You know a lot of things that
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 2: Guess now, what was your name before before DJ Flash?
Speaker 2: Just know you said, but your boy didn't do that
Speaker 2: because you was fast, run fast? So what do you
Speaker 2: have a name before that?
Speaker 11: No?
Speaker 2: No, no, Mines was empty Yahoo with the ball to being.
Speaker 2: I had a funcked up name. You ain't have you
Speaker 2: just a flash name. He's always had a fly Repeat
Speaker 2: that again? Is the name empty Yahoo with the ball
Speaker 2: to Bean.
Speaker 1: You didn't come out with the record with that name.
Speaker 1: That's big, That's what you always came up with.
Speaker 2: Flash. You always had a full flash.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, the Grand Master was put in front of it,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 7: But other than that, no, I wasn't. I wasn't nothing else.
Speaker 1: Right, So we got a quick time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they could do a quick time. But Scram is
Speaker 2: gonna be the designated drinker because you're not drinking.
Speaker 6: I'm not drinking drinking.
Speaker 1: No designated drinking. Come on, no reason, I'm fast.
Speaker 2: No, Yeah, Scram gotta take shots. Man, Yeah, come well,
Speaker 2: you gotta do it in the name a motherfucker.
Speaker 6: I got three questions.
Speaker 2: At the quick time, quick time, quick time, the quick
Speaker 2: time stop quick.
Speaker 1: He wants you to drink it.
Speaker 6: It means you have to answer everything because if you
Speaker 6: do know, answer and I gotta take a shot.
Speaker 1: You got slain them rules, Oh shipla, the rules. Explain them.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you one one thing or the other.
Speaker 6: Some some controversy questions.
Speaker 7: That's one thing.
Speaker 1: Get it more complicated, bro, It's just it's just we're
Speaker 1: gonna give you.
Speaker 3: Two two names, two things. You pick one nobody drinks.
Speaker 3: If you say both or neither of them, then we
Speaker 3: all drinking. You're not drinking.
Speaker 6: You'll see. It's so easy. But but just answer everything.
Speaker 3: Multiple choice, Get to pick one nobody drinks, you say
Speaker 3: both and neither were drinking.
Speaker 1: We're drinking with you. We're drinking with you. Ready here, scram, scram,
Speaker 1: just one shot glass? Come on, you can just be easy.
Speaker 2: I he's gouts right, it's not me. Okay, ready for
Speaker 2: you guys, have a sign? Sign Yeah what you drinking?
Speaker 1: What's drinking over there? I'm not the drink. Tell you
Speaker 1: I want you.
Speaker 2: You said you ain't drinking.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say.
Speaker 5: No way, all right, Melly Mail or or keep Cowboy.
Speaker 1: Oh, this is what I'm saying, load up, scram drink.
Speaker 3: And this is is actually a positive thing we trying
Speaker 3: to bring. We want to talk about these people in
Speaker 3: a positive way. You can pick up. It's not that
Speaker 3: you're just say one.
Speaker 1: Or the other.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're scram drink.
Speaker 18: Melly mill or keep Cowboy? Yeah Mail, Okay, you got it? Yep,
Speaker 18: cool Hirk or Bambara?
Speaker 2: Oh man, just either or either, but you could say
Speaker 2: both are neither both if you say both scrammed drinks.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, man, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
Speaker 7: Oh I get it now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sorry. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Look yeah, it's like we ain't we ain't going crazy.
Speaker 2: I got one hold hold on, let me, let me
Speaker 2: get me get I'm outing.
Speaker 1: I'm out. Yeah, the b Boys or the mcs.
Speaker 4: Oh man, scram o w you love you man, you
Speaker 4: can't leave do it this man, just both goad go
Speaker 4: square scare.
Speaker 7: I'm sorry, scramm sorry man.
Speaker 1: Who Dani or run DMC?
Speaker 7: You don't set me up?
Speaker 6: Oh my god, man, mascot this ship.
Speaker 2: But these guys come up in this. Get these speak English,
Speaker 2: Run run DMC, run DMC. That's cool, all right, you
Speaker 2: got it. The Beastie boys or fat boys, Oh, the
Speaker 2: beef Boys, red Alert or DJ breakout.
Speaker 1: Oh ship, I'm sorry man, Both go ahead, square square
Speaker 1: at the boil bro.
Speaker 6: I don't got no line. I've got no chasing.
Speaker 1: Nice champs. Biggie, you want some water to go with?
Speaker 1: Biggie or Big Al? What is this water? Yes? Water,
Speaker 1: so if you want to chase it?
Speaker 7: Both the ones?
Speaker 6: Well you said big.
Speaker 5: Big yet big gl Big Al, Curtis blow or slick Rick.
Speaker 1: Both go ahead, grabbed tiggity you're supposed to be doing.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you eventually, I'm drinking alcohol.
Speaker 2: You would have guessed. You'd have guessed we got a
Speaker 2: kter Go ahead, I guess and.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 2: That's right, Come on, get that. That's top alcohol going.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, only because this is an honor to
Speaker 1: be drinking. Thank you, Thank you. Crush Groove or b
Speaker 1: Street crush groove. Damn the next one I know we drinking.
Speaker 1: You would have went be Street.
Speaker 2: Let's see, let's see Primo or Pete Rock both. I'm
Speaker 2: a don't leave the witness things out there. Man, I
Speaker 2: knew he was gonna say both. Yeah, both, I'm skipping
Speaker 2: in George Clinton or Rick James.
Speaker 5: I don't know what you gotta you gotta say.
Speaker 2: You gotta say that, I gotta say that.
Speaker 1: You gotta say that both both again.
Speaker 7: Sorry, I'm sorry, man, I owe you. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: Curtis Mayfield kind of with James Brown.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, just pick pick a better one, a
Speaker 1: better second to breathe. Yeah, you gotta say both.
Speaker 7: I have to say both.
Speaker 1: You have to say both.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, go ahead. Shot, that's okay, it's tiny shot,
Speaker 2: and you're spending tonight.
Speaker 1: Right Hey, yeah, I tell you man, I'm high and
Speaker 1: don't want to we yes, I'm fucked up right now.
Speaker 2: This is a chance for we see other shows taking
Speaker 2: this question.
Speaker 1: We don't show us up. A lot of shows, see
Speaker 1: a lot of time.
Speaker 27: Man.
Speaker 1: But it's all love.
Speaker 2: It's all just all love of my favorite fan goodies,
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Speaker 6: God, you get political, then I can get the car down.
Speaker 7: Right, say it again.
Speaker 1: You can also say neither.
Speaker 2: That's so you can say you can say or both,
Speaker 2: or you can say or flex, d J Clue or
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Speaker 5: He's like the last of the masters, right, funk Master.
Speaker 1: Both both? Okay, Then I got the Then I get
Speaker 1: the shot. Hey man, I'm drinking out of my cup.
Speaker 1: Now I'm switching in. I'm just look, I'm just that's
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Speaker 1: Oh my god. I feel for you, Dog, I feel
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna hold you up there as soon as you
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Speaker 1: Michael Jackson or Prince both.
Speaker 2: Double fisted, bro, No worry, man, I'm respecting from a
Speaker 2: flash two sober to to not sober. No, that's not
Speaker 2: the way this works. Come, you gotta follow the rules.
Speaker 2: He's saying, he's grand Mescenory right now. Your TV raps
Speaker 2: or video music box.
Speaker 6: Don't bring me no more. I'm getting your music box.
Speaker 2: Ralph McDaniel's we let you having you, We need you
Speaker 2: all here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not it's a good question.
Speaker 2: Stevie wonder away, Charles Stream Yes, scramming man both both. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I see that coming.
Speaker 1: Oh you see that? He said you you in the
Speaker 1: djus killed that? What about you kills that shot with me?
Speaker 1: Fand oh god, I can't do that, man, I'll sleep
Speaker 1: for a week. Are you ready?
Speaker 6: I'm like, I'm.
Speaker 2: Ready to take your shot.
Speaker 1: Take it.
Speaker 2: You've got a lot of shots you ain't taken.
Speaker 6: Look at that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but but look at if you're twenty five. Come on, bro,
Speaker 1: come on right now.
Speaker 2: Come on at least come on, come on, I'm on
Speaker 2: to the next one. You got to take at least
Speaker 2: two of those. Come on, bro, you're embarrassing us. Jamie
Speaker 2: sitting over here, You're not even come on.
Speaker 1: Jamie's like He's like, She's like, this is the work shot? Yes, ever,
Speaker 1: come on? Come on? Yeh we hard But where's my toast?
Speaker 11: You brother?
Speaker 1: You the heat man and the DJ yea, what do
Speaker 1: you say?
Speaker 11: Take the shot?
Speaker 1: You want to take the shots? Sheep, don't put me
Speaker 1: on the man. You want shot and you want shot.
Speaker 1: It's okay, you can't.
Speaker 7: Shot from.
Speaker 1: You ready about the quiller, he's livery suckers. So we
Speaker 1: could be here today, Tequila? What you not me? Bro?
Speaker 2: Your dreams Lieu Richie or Teddy puttograph it's horrible ass.
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Speaker 6: Yo, this segment is open.
Speaker 3: We were almost over thirty more say Teddy Teddy.
Speaker 5: Okay gang star or E P M. D Oh.
Speaker 2: Come on, scram ticket.
Speaker 1: We're not gonna give you new shots and please take it.
Speaker 2: Take you're five older children.
Speaker 6: Speeding though you speaking.
Speaker 5: Chill out, chill out, You're never gonna be invited back.
Speaker 1: I called you personally. Can you come out here I'm
Speaker 1: doing I'm not gonna be good, you know, come on,
Speaker 1: come on. They're good people. They're good people.
Speaker 2: The good people ain't gonna let you shoo off front
Speaker 2: of your airline.
Speaker 1: They're good people. Taking a goddamn cherry. Come on, just
Speaker 1: take a shot. Thank you?
Speaker 2: Goes all right?
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Speaker 2: there's uh they got a square walk the executioners or
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Speaker 3: Come on ice Cuba, scarface, I need to yeah both,
Speaker 3: he's got enough for the for the three year limit.
Speaker 2: Three and then you got this litt you're almost you
Speaker 2: gotta take those three though, come on, I'm drinking.
Speaker 5: Drink Champs Christmas Party.
Speaker 1: Want to get back to the interview. Loyalty or respect?
Speaker 1: Mhm say both? So he could just spoilt.
Speaker 5: Man, you gotta take all all of those shots.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take a shot with you though. Thanks for
Speaker 1: taking one one shot I took a couple.
Speaker 2: Were talked about flash we access to the heavy guess
Speaker 2: and it's almost like a cliche type of question, but
Speaker 2: it really isn't.
Speaker 1: Not we went accident to you. You want to manage it?
Speaker 5: Hey, no, sod conversations.
Speaker 1: You heard them.
Speaker 5: We're in the resource room staying there.
Speaker 7: That's just.
Speaker 5: Did you ever think that hip hop would make it
Speaker 5: this far.
Speaker 1: Back then? Like you got to see it from the.
Speaker 7: No, no, I think, especially during that error, this coat
Speaker 7: was very neat.
Speaker 5: White people always burp it.
Speaker 1: This coat was very neat and like they had they
Speaker 1: had it together. Yeah, it was pretty neat and hip hop.
Speaker 7: Even to this day it's tattered.
Speaker 1: Right. You know, we we swag a little different. We
Speaker 1: were closed a little different. We we dressed a little different.
Speaker 1: We were I this this or like this, like we
Speaker 1: do things many flavors of hip hop. Yeah, we we
Speaker 1: break the laws too much. I didn't think that a
Speaker 1: major corporation, a major situation, would say, how we're gonna
Speaker 1: take these guys who were their hats backwards, who don't
Speaker 1: dress like the average partygoer, We're gonna invest money in them.
Speaker 1: Never my wildest dreams, which you know, someone wherever I am,
Speaker 1: whether I'm in Australia or Japan or England or London
Speaker 1: or California or right here, I thank god that I
Speaker 1: see this, Like this whole shit that I did could
Speaker 1: have missed, right. But what happened was people said, what
Speaker 1: is that? So just that little bit of daylight of
Speaker 1: what is that was just saving grace for me for
Speaker 1: hip hop. This is when all the producers were coming
Speaker 1: in town, like what is this thing these kids is doing.
Speaker 2: What is that?
Speaker 1: It could have been ill and ill. I don't think
Speaker 1: none of us would be here. We will probably be
Speaker 1: doing some other shit. I'll be doing something different. I
Speaker 1: would have hated it, but I would have been doing
Speaker 1: something different.
Speaker 5: You wore a lot of spikes back then.
Speaker 1: I didn't, but yeah the crew did. Yeah, No, I
Speaker 1: didn't win no spikes. You know, you know we wore
Speaker 1: we wore a lot of leather. Lets. We know we've
Speaker 1: heard different stories. Why, but what's your take on why?
Speaker 30: That was the I think we wanted to be when
Speaker 30: we we we we idolized rock and rollers, rock and Rollers,
Speaker 30: Parliament and Parliament pumpadelic, Like they dressed one way when
Speaker 30: they went in the streets and they dressed that way
Speaker 30: when they were on stage.
Speaker 1: So we were like, let's let's not go buy leather.
Speaker 1: Let's hire somebody and fly him around the country with
Speaker 1: us to make our ship.
Speaker 7: So we had a letter name was Mickey.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had stylist from back then. Yeah, So we
Speaker 1: like if we wanted like turquoise in black, you know,
Speaker 1: just way in that way. He would high home and
Speaker 1: then a week lady he would come with six suits
Speaker 1: boom is he French? Is black?
Speaker 5: He's black black French.
Speaker 7: You're hele the shop. He's so hard Okay, we told
Speaker 7: him close that ship down.
Speaker 1: We're gonna pay you.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 7: And he took care of us.
Speaker 1: God damn it.
Speaker 2: Man got to take a shot for that man. Take
Speaker 2: a shot. Take a shot.
Speaker 1: This is his boss side. Right.
Speaker 2: Do you like going in the studio making records or
Speaker 2: do you like performing records?
Speaker 1: What is? What is?
Speaker 16: What is what?
Speaker 1: I like doing both? Okay, I like doing both because
Speaker 1: producer records is technical and that's where I come from.
Speaker 1: That's a scientist, that mean. But then the performance side
Speaker 1: of me is the other side, all right playing, So
Speaker 1: I would say both nor here I say both.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you because like the way you broke
Speaker 2: this down, this was very scientific.
Speaker 5: This was very biology.
Speaker 11: Like.
Speaker 2: This was like this was like a science project how
Speaker 2: you broke it down. But then I got a lot
Speaker 2: of friend DJs that's dumb. How do they get over DJ?
Speaker 2: Because they're not smart? He did all the hard work
Speaker 2: for it. Oh you literally you know all this shit.
Speaker 1: And somehow it transcended to me as a d like
Speaker 1: we did all the hard work and it just all
Speaker 1: that information came to this is the top tier learn
Speaker 1: how to DJ. I don't go this. Yeah, you know
Speaker 1: how we all just screwing the ball.
Speaker 3: But we didn't fucking do all this ship for the
Speaker 3: light to turn on right the DJs afterwards.
Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 3: There's DJs that are really technical, really amazing. But for
Speaker 3: the most part, he did the hard part. He created
Speaker 3: the ball.
Speaker 1: We just screwed it in.
Speaker 7: That's probably a good way to put it.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, So basically, you ever walked into a party
Speaker 2: and the DJ is DJ and off his.
Speaker 1: I pard or his I haven't seen that yet, but
Speaker 1: I've heard about it.
Speaker 7: I haven't seen that yet.
Speaker 1: We you do.
Speaker 2: If you walked in the party right now, would you say, damn,
Speaker 2: it's come a long way? Or would you be like
Speaker 2: J mister Lee for the Dominican Republic was back there
Speaker 2: damn into his phone.
Speaker 1: The Dominican guy. Let me ask the question, would it
Speaker 1: be like a party with people dancing? DJ?
Speaker 3: But he's looking in the mirror though when he's doing it,
Speaker 3: because I can imagine you're doing that.
Speaker 1: You know, you know what I say to myself? What
Speaker 1: would you? Yeah, I'm a scientist, right and I'm always
Speaker 1: wanting this to see people push the envelope, to see
Speaker 1: somebody DJ off their iPod.
Speaker 7: What is it two iPods that one.
Speaker 1: Would be ins iPhone. Now there's no more. It's his phone.
Speaker 1: He got, he got his phone, so he's getting so
Speaker 1: he's just pretty much just playing. He's playlisting.
Speaker 3: Yeah no, they actually have little turntable apps in the
Speaker 3: phone and some people are.
Speaker 1: Actually I've never seen it, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, showing this despicable showing I heard about it.
Speaker 6: Never seen someone.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, I've seen you in your phone from.
Speaker 3: Anybody just playing a playlist off their phone saying their DJs.
Speaker 1: That's the most disrespectful shit in the world.
Speaker 3: You at least have the app that you're doing, like
Speaker 3: a ticket ticket and then fucking.
Speaker 5: I think I've seen Shot get busy on his phone
Speaker 5: one time.
Speaker 3: I bet you, I bet you has he's a DJ
Speaker 3: bro He's yeah, he has a better Shay app.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a shock.
Speaker 1: Who was that's big in sports? Play for the Lakers.
Speaker 1: Point god, you know what I'm talking about. Play for
Speaker 1: the Lakers. He's a DJ, early early Lakers, when the
Speaker 1: Lakers was killing it. Magic Johnson was a DJ really.
Speaker 7: Hell yeah, he played the Pay's.
Speaker 1: Been older for twenty five years. Yeah, played for the
Speaker 1: like Magic Johnson want to DJ Jesus right now? The
Speaker 1: masic was the DJ. I didn't know that. I thought
Speaker 1: you was talking my home Russell? What Russell? I want
Speaker 1: to show up to.
Speaker 7: The breakdances? Who like I see them? I see them?
Speaker 1: You never see these motherfuckers do that crazy leg like
Speaker 1: crazy legs and and and and in the shott that's
Speaker 1: going into the Olympics. Yeah, it's incredible, like the way
Speaker 1: they contort their body.
Speaker 7: And do that ship they do.
Speaker 9: Yeah, absolutely shout out to do on concrete early Breakers,
Speaker 9: my early breakers, BAMS early breakers, and then the second
Speaker 9: tier that came along the Breakers, you know all.
Speaker 1: Absolutely one.
Speaker 3: Can we actually go go back to the convo of
Speaker 3: that's when you that's the beginning of you wanting.
Speaker 1: To continue those breaks was for the breakers, for the breakers,
Speaker 1: the breakers where the stars the rappers hadn't arrived yet, right,
Speaker 1: they hadn't arrived yet, you know.
Speaker 3: And and sorry sout, but the audience came to hear
Speaker 3: you and see them right right or you could see
Speaker 3: a Breakdan So with the boom box on any corner
Speaker 3: the Street corner doing a ship with the cardboard, with
Speaker 3: the cardboard exactly.
Speaker 1: Come look at the.
Speaker 5: Back of your shirt real quick.
Speaker 2: Please, I want to say, by the way, we get
Speaker 2: disestablished and we laced you with some drink Champs gear
Speaker 2: right there.
Speaker 7: I got you.
Speaker 1: Yes, can you read that for me?
Speaker 31: Scram First DJ to make the turntable an instrument, you know,
Speaker 31: to have a rapper that's makes no noise for that.
Speaker 32: DJ to be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Face.
Speaker 32: First DJ to be on serious ex DJ to get
Speaker 32: a Grammy. It was DDA to get a polar price.
Speaker 1: Can't you read the box?
Speaker 7: Thank you?
Speaker 6: You're good?
Speaker 7: Yeah, we got Yeah, you took a lot of them shots. Man,
Speaker 7: you're good.
Speaker 1: He took it for the culture. What do you do
Speaker 1: with your Grammy right now? Like? Do you sip out
Speaker 1: of it? Actually? I do a show on Twitch every Tuesday,
Speaker 1: New high Noon Experience and then Thursday's eight pm. Uh
Speaker 1: my Grammy is in my studio. Okay, well, well I
Speaker 1: do my show. Yeah, you know, like one is on
Speaker 1: one podium, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame one
Speaker 1: is on the left podium, the Grammys on the right,
Speaker 1: and then all the other awards are kind of.
Speaker 2: You know, uh sped around, you know, so good because
Speaker 2: k Rest said that he boycotted, not boycotted, but he
Speaker 2: didn't want to participate and the Grammys ceremonied because like
Speaker 2: forty years of hip hop. He's like, yo, that could
Speaker 2: have started at forty seven and gave us a warning
Speaker 2: and you know what I mean, And he's like, you
Speaker 2: guys just want to you want to ignore us for
Speaker 2: fifty year.
Speaker 3: But he said that he didn't feel that hip hop
Speaker 3: was fully represented in that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like the B Boys, the Big Girls. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I would agree that needs to be seen on
Speaker 1: a major network. Four elements. Nobody has done that yet,
Speaker 1: So I do respect charts KRS one four four elements
Speaker 1: is to break, Yeah, and then the fifty artist abatable
Speaker 1: and yeah, four elements and the knowledge yourself and be
Speaker 1: boxing are always like be boxing, I don't know what
Speaker 1: that is because the B boxes right there, So you
Speaker 1: think about being boxing that falls under wrapse speaking, you know, musically.
Speaker 3: Do you feel that everything for fifty Yeah, for fifty
Speaker 3: years hip hop, whether it was author or not, was
Speaker 3: it positive because you know a lot of obviously a
Speaker 3: lot of corporate interests show advantage of Oh, okay, it's
Speaker 3: hip hop fifty. So we're gonna have we're gonna do
Speaker 3: all these things. So your question is what now, Like,
Speaker 3: do you feel that it was positive in general for
Speaker 3: hip hop?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 7: I do in general.
Speaker 1: I just think that, as I said earlier, the detail
Speaker 1: of where it came from and what it took to
Speaker 1: get here has not been properly represented. And this is
Speaker 1: what I say to the PR people and to the
Speaker 1: press people, like, if you want to know like at
Speaker 1: the beginning, beginning, beginning, you got to ask somebody that's
Speaker 1: around sixty. You have to. You can't ask somebody thirty
Speaker 1: or twenty five. You just cannot. And this is why
Speaker 1: I find it critically important to speak. It's because, like
Speaker 1: I said once August twelf gifts here, it's a new trend,
Speaker 1: new shit.
Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: No, what is it?
Speaker 2: Five?
Speaker 30: What is it?
Speaker 1: Five to twenty?
Speaker 2: Cedric?
Speaker 1: What is iteen twenty Saturday, fifteen twenty? That's herks Plax?
Speaker 1: Mine is is twenty seven thirty two we Avenue. That's
Speaker 1: a two part question.
Speaker 2: Is that actually the first hip hop party that ever
Speaker 2: was there?
Speaker 1: I didn't see it, Okay, I never I didn't see it.
Speaker 1: I don't know what's here. And I've never talked to
Speaker 1: anybody that went to this party. And I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that it didn't exist for sure, but I haven't seen
Speaker 1: anybody on the internet talk about I was there. I
Speaker 1: that's what crazy, legs, that's what crazy.
Speaker 3: He said that the discrepancy with that party is one
Speaker 3: of the biggest contested things really the history. He feels
Speaker 3: that that flyer keeps getting remixed, where people keep adding names,
Speaker 3: taking names away.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's he said it on the show.
Speaker 3: He said that that's a contested event, like nothing it happened,
Speaker 3: but how it happened, or who involved or what.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd love to know who was there and how
Speaker 1: the party turned out, how many chicks were versus guys
Speaker 1: when you break it, Like, I want to know that too,
Speaker 1: Like I want.
Speaker 7: To know the mayor go around.
Speaker 1: I want to know what that technique of minds to
Speaker 1: the quick mix theories.
Speaker 7: I'd love to know, you know, what was that for
Speaker 7: us party? And what's the merry go round?
Speaker 1: When did you first hear about that party? Like when
Speaker 1: was it first?
Speaker 3: Like when did people start saying this is the first
Speaker 3: party identifying it as the beginning of hip hop, is
Speaker 3: that you remember, because that's that's crucial. You would be
Speaker 3: the one to tell us because we wouldn't know that's
Speaker 3: way before our time, right, you would say, Hey, you
Speaker 3: know what, guys, I really didn't remember this being talked
Speaker 3: about as much. And that's kind of like what Crazy
Speaker 3: Legs was kind of talking about.
Speaker 7: I don't want to I don't remember.
Speaker 3: I don't remember what he said. I can't remember because
Speaker 3: it's all rallying around that point. That's why we're celebrating fifty, right.
Speaker 1: But then if we're going to celebrate fifty, then we
Speaker 1: got to talk about the party, who was there, right
Speaker 1: where it was, what happened, and this is you know,
Speaker 1: this is probably probably why he's he's he's saying that,
Speaker 1: you know, like I would respectfully love to sit down
Speaker 1: with Hurricane, you'll sit down with his crew. That's why
Speaker 1: it's crucial that he does what you're doing.
Speaker 7: It's it's it's extremely important.
Speaker 1: And I can tell you even on my streams, I
Speaker 1: have people who were at my parties in the beginning
Speaker 1: when I was nothing. Uh, that that will tell you
Speaker 1: what my party who's like the They remind me of
Speaker 1: ship that I forgot about his Cookie Monroe, Anna Monroe,
Speaker 1: Jacqueline Tucker, like these people that are still here, and
Speaker 1: one of them actually works works with with me in
Speaker 1: my company, that remembers ship that I totally forgot. And
Speaker 1: this is was really critically important because that kind of
Speaker 1: verifies when you got the layman's and and and the
Speaker 1: party goal with saying yep, that ship was true and
Speaker 1: it's verified. I'm still yet to hear, and I love
Speaker 1: to hear who was at that first party, if it
Speaker 1: happened at the center, what happened at that center, what.
Speaker 3: Was going on?
Speaker 7: Like, what was happening?
Speaker 1: We need to know that. It's critically this happens before
Speaker 1: August eleventh.
Speaker 7: That's just my opinion.
Speaker 2: Respect August eleven for making fifty one years.
Speaker 1: After that it becomes of fifty one years and then
Speaker 1: it's over. You know, next fifty years, I ain't gonna
Speaker 1: be here, you know, So do you think I remember? That?
Speaker 2: Was another thing that Crazy Legs was playing was that
Speaker 2: hip hop is older than fifty.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's saying because and DMC said this, he said
Speaker 3: documented hip hop, we can call it fifty. But he
Speaker 3: said hip hop was happening before that that's what even
Speaker 3: DMC was saying that, Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: Let's define it. If we define it, guys, it's the
Speaker 1: DJ only and playing what we call bastard music. The
Speaker 1: C cuts, the D cuts, the F cuts off the album.
Speaker 1: That's where hip hop. To me, that's where we had
Speaker 1: no title. It wasn't it wasn't named yet.
Speaker 7: That's why it.
Speaker 1: Could be up for discussion, you know, because there's two
Speaker 1: ways to look at it. When it was fully formed
Speaker 1: and all four elements came into into play, that would
Speaker 1: make it me seventy four because that's when hip that's
Speaker 1: when Cowboy joined me. But if we go pre then
Speaker 1: it was just the dj M and the breakers and
Speaker 1: the graffiti artists. Coclorac says he's a rapper, but he's not.
Speaker 7: He was a DJ.
Speaker 1: I used to go watch him and if he was
Speaker 1: talking on the mic, you know with the echo, Chambers
Speaker 1: was just rambling. So there are some things that are
Speaker 1: up that a subject. And I want to give Perk
Speaker 1: all his flowers. He deserves everything that he's done. But
Speaker 1: there are some things that are up for question, and
Speaker 1: I think either all of us or one at a time,
Speaker 1: like Cochlar Rock, Timmy Tam, I think he's passed away.
Speaker 1: Clock can't the original clocks, you know, and the twins,
Speaker 1: you know, they gotta start speaking. It would be great if.
Speaker 3: It would be a lot of you guys together because
Speaker 3: you could cross reference, debate things, and hash it out
Speaker 3: of that moment.
Speaker 1: Speaking on cross referencing Wikipedia, they have been extremely just
Speaker 1: suspectful to me. There's supposed to be the standard for
Speaker 1: information for the world to see old and new. Right.
Speaker 1: They got my birthday wrong. Fifty eight supposed to be
Speaker 1: fifty seven. I was born in the Bronx. They are
Speaker 1: you know their process on how they say yes or
Speaker 1: no to something. I tried even talking with them. They said,
Speaker 1: mister Sadler, I say I did this. They say, missus Sadler,
Speaker 1: there's no reference to you doing this. I'm saying this.
Speaker 1: They can't be a reference because Wikipedia wasn't born then,
Speaker 1: So you mean to tell me all these things? And
Speaker 1: I'm telling you that I did. And they kept just
Speaker 1: as we was talking with them, they kept not being like, no,
Speaker 1: you can't the beatbox, no, the cutting, no to quick
Speaker 1: mys theory, no. Wow. So you Wikipedia is saying to me,
Speaker 1: you there's no reference to this stuff.
Speaker 7: Of course there's no reference because I didn't talk about it.
Speaker 1: I just started talking for a long time, and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna tell you why, Because talking these things and this
Speaker 1: math is geeky, and for a long time, geeks weren't cool, right,
Speaker 1: so I shut the fuck up. For a long time.
Speaker 7: Now geese ruled the world. I'm talking.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, you know, like Wikipedia, once you hiring.
Speaker 3: Me, Yeah, Wikipedia, hire motherfucking grandmaster flash, please.
Speaker 1: You hire me. I can really help you with, especially
Speaker 1: with the historical area and your process on how you
Speaker 1: say something is credible versus something that's.
Speaker 3: Not, because they allow people to go in there that
Speaker 3: are like Wikipedia approved, so they input it. But it's
Speaker 3: like like, like how can they You can't for yourself
Speaker 3: think right?
Speaker 1: Wrong?
Speaker 13: Right?
Speaker 1: They're talking in the horse's mouth like you're talking to
Speaker 1: the person. No, we're sorry, Uh, we'll get back to you.
Speaker 1: And then when we get back to them, all we
Speaker 1: couldn't find no reference. You ain't gonna find no reference.
Speaker 1: Put you on the right link when links weren't available
Speaker 1: at that time. But you know what, the references the streets, right,
Speaker 1: that's a reference.
Speaker 6: No one's gonna check you.
Speaker 7: Who's gonna say that I didn't do it.
Speaker 1: Here's the man in the science, and then I physically
Speaker 1: done it. That leads me to a thought.
Speaker 3: And I don't know if you guys brought it up
Speaker 3: before when I went to the restaurant, but is there
Speaker 3: any documentary that you would co sign and say this
Speaker 3: is the best documentary right now that tells you the history? Oh?
Speaker 1: Man, there's so many I seen ship, so many that
Speaker 1: I seen. Oh, I can't answer that question right now.
Speaker 1: There was a few that was pretty good. I think
Speaker 1: Rebel Kings was really dope. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: saw that. No, I didn't see that one.
Speaker 3: There was a man fresh dress which felt like a
Speaker 3: complimented rubble guy. I don't know everybody saw that saw that.
Speaker 3: But I felt like those two documentaries need to look
Speaker 3: at I need to look at those. It tells the
Speaker 3: Bronx history, like what was happening through the Gang Wars
Speaker 3: all hip.
Speaker 1: And I think for me, the documentary that I'd love
Speaker 1: to see is if someone paints a picture of the
Speaker 1: beginning and then slowly take it up.
Speaker 6: Here.
Speaker 1: A few of the of the documentaries I did see,
Speaker 1: they're incomplete. They're not wrong, they're just holes in it.
Speaker 1: You know you can poke holes in it because you
Speaker 1: got to say, wait a minute, if that was that,
Speaker 1: then how did that get to that?
Speaker 7: And that there? I'd love to see you ever got
Speaker 7: to be Biggie?
Speaker 1: No? Oh wow?
Speaker 5: How about Tupac?
Speaker 1: I sat next to Tupac at a gathering and we
Speaker 1: talked for a few minutes, but we didn't.
Speaker 7: I didn't to talk to these two.
Speaker 1: I would have.
Speaker 7: I think.
Speaker 1: When I heard what happened them too, I cried. I
Speaker 1: didn't really know them. I never had coffee and t
Speaker 1: with them. I know their parents, I kN know nothing,
Speaker 1: but they've done so much for the culture.
Speaker 7: I think.
Speaker 1: This thing has to stay. If it has to exist,
Speaker 1: it's just stay competitive. Nobody should lose their life over this.
Speaker 1: That there is insane, like why did they have to die?
Speaker 1: And then here is the crazy shit. Please can't find
Speaker 1: out who did what what? It's still a question mark, right,
Speaker 1: it's a conspiracy. We don't know nothing. What the fuck
Speaker 1: is up with that?
Speaker 33: Why is this they held in public places where there's witnesses.
Speaker 1: That makes me crazy? And them two going at it
Speaker 1: east and west? What's healthy to hip Hopa's healthy competition?
Speaker 1: But people losing their life come on. I tried like
Speaker 1: a baby, and I never met them personally because of
Speaker 1: what they meant to the culture. We have a big
Speaker 1: fun You ever met Big Pun I met him once
Speaker 1: for a brief period of time. I didn't get to
Speaker 1: talk to him much either.
Speaker 2: Nor if you get asked to do a party right now,
Speaker 2: and this party is sixteen to twenty one, they're saying
Speaker 2: they want new music.
Speaker 5: What is a new artist?
Speaker 2: A new artist that grand Master Flash is getting the
Speaker 2: party jumping to him.
Speaker 7: Can I be totally honest with you, Yes?
Speaker 5: Please.
Speaker 1: I have a lane, and respectfully, if I'm not an
Speaker 1: expert in what I do in my lane, I don't
Speaker 1: go near it. I don't know enough about the music
Speaker 1: that the sixteen to twenty one's love.
Speaker 7: I couldn't play a two hour set.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't.
Speaker 7: I don't know enough to play to know this.
Speaker 1: And scram could definitely identify and you there's that nine
Speaker 1: o'clock record, and there's a record to.
Speaker 7: Hold to one o'clock.
Speaker 1: I'll probably played the one o'clock record at nine, like
Speaker 1: I will probably screw the whole fucking shit off.
Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: My children they't tell me about records all the time,
Speaker 1: you know, and I check it. But I am not
Speaker 1: going to try to be something that i'm not and
Speaker 1: service because I'm a servant and if I can't serve
Speaker 1: you properly, then I will serve you at all respectfully.
Speaker 2: It's like one time I was hanging with Bust and
Speaker 2: I'm be paraphrasing or thinking this in a different form.
Speaker 2: So if I if I if I get it wrong,
Speaker 2: then I apologize. But bus one time someone calls him
Speaker 2: and they wanted him to perform at an old school event,
Speaker 2: and the fact that they called it old school, I
Speaker 2: don't think he wanted to participate, you know.
Speaker 1: What I mean?
Speaker 2: Hmm, because he felt like, yo' I might be old
Speaker 2: school to some, but I'm not old school, So he
Speaker 2: didn't want to participate in that. Is that something like
Speaker 2: if it's like a new school jam, like you don't
Speaker 2: want to like indulge in because no.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I don't want to indulge in it.
Speaker 1: Don't do him. Yeah, I don't write because I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do me right. And they're gonna say, what is he playing? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do what we understand. I'm gonna do with
Speaker 1: everybody in this room understand what a sixteen year old
Speaker 1: gonna say?
Speaker 6: What is that right?
Speaker 1: And why are you playing that right? We don't want
Speaker 1: to hear that, And I had nothing. He has nothing
Speaker 1: to do about whether I love or hate or whatever.
Speaker 1: I don't know that music enough anything that I want
Speaker 1: to put sick my teeth into. I'm really having to
Speaker 1: master it and understand it and know it so that
Speaker 1: when I get on them ones, I know where to
Speaker 1: take you.
Speaker 5: All right, what else you got your notes?
Speaker 1: Let's let's listen all let's see. Yeah, I'll make sure
Speaker 1: we get every data. Yeah, exactly, exactly exactly.
Speaker 7: Oh, let me just.
Speaker 1: I want to make this clear. There are so many
Speaker 1: DJ techniques that has that has happened, and I want
Speaker 1: to make sure people truly understand DJ's played turntable is
Speaker 1: the right way. I don't know how to play that way.
Speaker 1: I played DJs, I played the wrong way. So there
Speaker 1: are some of the DJ techniques that I didn't create.
Speaker 1: There's a few that was a great creative by me.
Speaker 1: Because everything that's going to last has to be taken
Speaker 1: to another level. There's incredible DJs out there. What I'm
Speaker 1: trying to say to the world. Is the actual the
Speaker 1: mechanics of this putting your fingertips on the vinyl, where
Speaker 1: the vinyl has two purposes, the sound source and also
Speaker 1: used as a controller, your other hand on the fader,
Speaker 1: and the opening and closing the circuits. If you look
Speaker 1: at any DJ playing, he is using the mechanics the
Speaker 1: how too hands, whether you're going counterclockwise, forward and back,
Speaker 1: you're opening and closing the fader. These mechanics all what
Speaker 1: I invented. That is the quick mix theory that I
Speaker 1: want people to understand, the mechanics, the how to the
Speaker 1: fundamentals of what it is. I don't know how to
Speaker 1: play where they're putting the needle down. I don't know
Speaker 1: how to do. That is why I took three years
Speaker 1: of my life to reinvent DJ in the mechanics. And
Speaker 1: this led to the rapper, and this led to the producer,
Speaker 1: and this led to the big business that we are at.
Speaker 7: Right now.
Speaker 2: That's crazy, And they fact checked they said that in fact,
Speaker 2: Magic Johnson is a DJ.
Speaker 1: Oh you the checks, Yes, Google, Can I ask you
Speaker 1: a question?
Speaker 7: Okay? But before you do that, can I just can
Speaker 7: I just shout out some people?
Speaker 1: Please, let's go let's go. These people I'm going to
Speaker 1: talk about made hip Hop, Bic Business, Doctor Dre kg,
Speaker 1: Jermaine Duprie, Diamond D, The track Masters, the beat Nuts,
Speaker 1: eaz Mo, B forty five, King, Just Blaze, Timberland, Dallas,
Speaker 1: Austin wyclef, Arthur Baker, DJ Scratch, Egyptian Lover, Herbie Lovebug,
Speaker 1: The Rizza, Molly Ma, DJ Tuk, Pete Rock, Rick Rubin,
Speaker 1: Warren g j as EJ, Kick, Capri, DJ Battlecat, The
Speaker 1: Bomb Squad, Kanye West, DJ Premier, Teddy Raleigh, Manny Fresh,
Speaker 1: Q Tip. Please to give me anybody for anybody that
Speaker 1: I did not say, because I know what you guys
Speaker 1: are gonna and I'm gonna get a help for this
Speaker 1: when this thing comes out. If I had two years
Speaker 1: to mention everybody, I would, But I just want to say,
Speaker 1: these people deserve flowers.
Speaker 7: What's your question, man? My question is you just showcase
Speaker 7: what the fader does.
Speaker 33: But the fader never existed when they just had the knobs,
Speaker 33: when there was no dual turntable action going on. So
Speaker 33: what was what's up the invention of the fader? Do
Speaker 33: you have anything to do with it when it was created? Okay,
Speaker 33: let's go back in the rabbit hole. The actual terms
Speaker 33: for the faders called the panometer and the round nob
Speaker 33: is called the potentiometer.
Speaker 6: Oh shitter, you please research.
Speaker 1: It, you'll find it. It's true. Back in the day, right,
Speaker 1: the cross fader wasn't there.
Speaker 34: We were doing to up and downs, up and downs,
Speaker 34: up and down, so we ups and down ups and
Speaker 34: downs with because the faida had to come into play.
Speaker 1: I've seen the fada coming a play when it was
Speaker 1: a company by the name of Gemini. The DAC two
Speaker 1: thousand X mixer silver Face. That was my first mix
Speaker 1: in them.
Speaker 7: And when I.
Speaker 1: Made that mixer at the industry stadd Mixer, I had
Speaker 1: been looking for someone who.
Speaker 7: Has that mix.
Speaker 1: I paid them any money for them. I'm saying it
Speaker 1: on television because it's a mixer that I brought to
Speaker 1: the world. Bring it out here FN. And then the
Speaker 1: first turntables was the SL twenty three's. That is how
Speaker 1: I created the seamless loop so that Cowboy and the
Speaker 1: Boys can rhyme, you know. So these are the things
Speaker 1: I need to talk about. And the breakdancers. Can I
Speaker 1: talk about the breakdancers too?
Speaker 7: Of course?
Speaker 1: You know. Uh, let's go to the to the breakdancers,
Speaker 1: see the DJs, the Breakers, the Breakers, like the original
Speaker 1: Breakers were, they were black.
Speaker 7: And here's some of the names.
Speaker 1: Sasa, Tricksy Dancing, Doug Black, Jerry Easy, Mike, Flipping Mike,
Speaker 1: Female Breakdancers, Sister Boo, Mother Earth Janie. Then as years
Speaker 1: went on, it's where the Latins got involved, the Spanish
Speaker 1: people got involved. And here's some of the names rock
Speaker 1: Steady Crew, Dynamic Breakers, New York Breakers, Electric Boogaaloos.
Speaker 7: Here's some soloists, Future two.
Speaker 1: Thousand, Fab five, Frettie was a Breaker, Lady Pink Scene,
Speaker 1: Lee Quinnones. These are kind of people I want to
Speaker 1: talk about because they're part of the story of They're
Speaker 1: part of this whole move for me that she can't be. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and now we're right here, we drivingized cars, we living comfortably.
Speaker 1: So how did the fuck it should happen in the beginning?
Speaker 1: How did it happen? That's where I'm at.
Speaker 2: Have you ever went to a hip hop show? I'm
Speaker 2: been disgusted, like people rhyming over the vocals. They're not
Speaker 2: having no routines, you know, I think, Okay, you're talking
Speaker 2: about the performance aspect bad. I think It's extremely important.
Speaker 1: If you know your craft, know your craft with no
Speaker 1: net meaning you should not be rhyming over the vocal
Speaker 1: version right, because even if you make a mistake, that's
Speaker 1: what makes the performance so incredible. Like when jay Z
Speaker 1: was at the Garden and you tell the DJ, throw
Speaker 1: it Paul, it's the instrumental, he would say the rhyme,
Speaker 1: say the right, and he would stop rhying for a
Speaker 1: few seconds. Then he'll he'll jump back on. Just let
Speaker 1: y'all knows no net here. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So for me, you know something or you know what
Speaker 1: I what I would love to see if one of
Speaker 1: these newer rappers wrapped on one of them breaks.
Speaker 7: No, they won't.
Speaker 1: That would be because some of them, some of the
Speaker 1: rappers say they're incredible, But to see, like I love
Speaker 1: to see. I love to get Drake on a break.
Speaker 1: I love to get Nas on a break. Jay Z
Speaker 1: already knows how to do this. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7: Nas done it, Nas has done it.
Speaker 33: I don't know about a lot of footage, but I
Speaker 33: know Nass wrapped over breaks Drake would be dope.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, let it be yeah, back in then
Speaker 1: break down like, uh, what's his name?
Speaker 7: Redman and.
Speaker 1: Method Man l a cool Jay's thing them with the DJ,
Speaker 1: I said, Pucker was pulling that ship down and throwing
Speaker 1: it back in and rubbing in and it was I'm
Speaker 1: like that there, And I walked up to him and
Speaker 1: I said, that was fucking hip hop with sure and
Speaker 1: the DJ was the name escaped me, Please excuse me,
Speaker 1: but they were so when you become one with your DJ,
Speaker 1: nor when you become one with no look like you
Speaker 1: ain't got the word. You ain't gonna turn around never.
Speaker 1: You know that when you said what you say, he
Speaker 1: gonna do what he do, he got you a.
Speaker 30: Little forwards works, you know, doing the pull a painted
Speaker 30: down for one ball pulp and bring it back and
Speaker 30: you know how to do it.
Speaker 1: That's hip hop.
Speaker 33: That's when like the DJ's name was always first Eric
Speaker 33: B and Rock Cam, Jazzy Jeff in the Fresh Pins.
Speaker 1: You know that. Yeah, I think I think. I think
Speaker 1: it's an injustice to people who paid forty dollars to
Speaker 1: come in and say a hundred dollars to go see you,
Speaker 1: to talk to rhyme over your tour.
Speaker 33: Yeah, now you're just getting the parents, but you're not
Speaker 33: getting a performance.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's not it's not it's not fair.
Speaker 5: Some people call it lip sync and it's lazy, even
Speaker 5: though it's not. Some people yea lipsticking my motive vocals.
Speaker 1: I think that rapp should run to the instrumental of
Speaker 1: the track and make a mistake if you have to,
Speaker 1: or add a new line in it, and I go
Speaker 1: back to the red do it, or go like put
Speaker 1: the mic out and let them say it.
Speaker 7: Like there's a lot of audience into your performance, and.
Speaker 2: You know, it's crazy. You know how I found that out.
Speaker 2: I did it overseas one time, and and like I
Speaker 2: had to do like an hour show. And at the time,
Speaker 2: all I was doing was like like you know, the
Speaker 2: hats or whatever. So but over there they wanted it
Speaker 2: was in the contract an hour show, so like you
Speaker 2: know in America that I'll do, you know. And as
Speaker 2: soon as I finished, I was like I killed that right,
Speaker 2: and they're like, you had the vocals, and I was like.
Speaker 1: Like the hour. I thought I was doing like an
Speaker 1: hour and they were like, yeah, we liked it, you
Speaker 1: did an hour.
Speaker 5: But and I was like, I never did that ship again.
Speaker 1: I never did that in America. Whose school be to that.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you something. Your seasonal fuck around. They
Speaker 1: take they take this hip for miss aspect of this ship.
Speaker 1: They take this fucking ship deadly, deadly like we we
Speaker 1: we we take it banished because we here. You fly
Speaker 1: with that motherfucker's ocean and you land your ship better
Speaker 1: be tight. But they gonna let you know world up.
Speaker 2: I remember one time I was I say this on
Speaker 2: the show all the time. I went to do a
Speaker 2: show and the promoter he paid us and left, and.
Speaker 5: We're like, what the fuck?
Speaker 2: And he came back because he went and did a
Speaker 2: graffiti piece with our name component No, and he comes back.
Speaker 5: It's paint all over this ship.
Speaker 1: And I want to look at him and be.
Speaker 2: Like, it's not that serious, like but like, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean in America, he really literally showed us
Speaker 2: a piece that he they love you, we don't.
Speaker 3: I think that that's the one thing that one of
Speaker 3: the other things that I think needs to happen in
Speaker 3: this country is that we need to appreciate this culture
Speaker 3: because it's appreciated around the world. It's actually one of
Speaker 3: the I would say it's one of the biggest cultural
Speaker 3: exports this country has, and it's impact the world, but
Speaker 3: we're losing our grasp on the world because they are
Speaker 3: looking at.
Speaker 1: Us as sellouts to the culture.
Speaker 7: I had a person like I was coming out the back.
Speaker 1: Door, hey man, right of the concert, and this guy.
Speaker 7: He pushing through the crowd and he takes off his
Speaker 7: fucking shirt.
Speaker 1: I'm like, shits about to hit the fan, thought, just
Speaker 1: get ready to be a real mean one. He had
Speaker 1: me he had a picture of a tattoo of Medjing
Speaker 1: on his fucking back. I thought to my knees, like,
Speaker 1: whoa you painted no fucking back, life for life.
Speaker 7: That's there for life.
Speaker 1: They take that ship so serious, Like did you have
Speaker 1: a drink with them? You have to drink with this No,
Speaker 1: I just came drink them. I jumped to the car
Speaker 1: and was like just quiet all the way to the hotel,
Speaker 1: like this motherfucker And it looked like he wanted to
Speaker 1: start a fight with me and fight backwards.
Speaker 3: But fucker said, look, boom big, No, it's truly appreciated.
Speaker 7: It's a lot thing that what the fuck?
Speaker 1: I just yeah, you gotta sign that for me. Don't
Speaker 1: tell me you don't co sign it, because then I'm
Speaker 1: come on, because I sign the record. He walked in.
Speaker 2: He threw your record. Whatever the record you have?
Speaker 1: No, no, no, my homie gave it to me with that. Well,
Speaker 1: you signed this one for me? I know you say
Speaker 1: you didn't, jus let me tell you why because we
Speaker 1: was already going. I know you said it and I
Speaker 1: already like this got record. Yeah yeah, but see you guys,
Speaker 1: you signed my figure. Jesus Christmas. What's that record?
Speaker 3: Though?
Speaker 2: You know gonna say it?
Speaker 1: What is it? He talked about? The other one was
Speaker 1: sugar Hill Record Label.
Speaker 5: Okay, that's what I prefer this.
Speaker 7: It's all good.
Speaker 1: We got a couple of the things for you decide.
Speaker 7: It's all good. You guys, enjoy yourself so far.
Speaker 1: Listen, man, this is we live in history right here.
Speaker 2: This is history.
Speaker 1: We want to just say this and I'll give you
Speaker 1: the question. Man. We wanted to do this for so long.
Speaker 5: Man, you're really you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: One this is one man, you know we want to
Speaker 1: do this. And March is eight years of drink jams. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: we can't believe that.
Speaker 11: Whoa.
Speaker 1: Yes, a lot of like just come and go because
Speaker 1: it don't last. It's a lot of work. Yes, that's
Speaker 1: a lot of world.
Speaker 2: But but but our platforms as big as a guy,
Speaker 2: whatever it is, it's always been for people like you,
Speaker 2: you know, because we are you know, I might I
Speaker 2: might be. I call myself a major label type of guy.
Speaker 2: He calls himself an independent type of guy. Okay, But
Speaker 2: besides all of that, our hearts hip hop. If you can,
Speaker 2: if you cut, you cut my skin, or you were
Speaker 2: gonna bleed hip hop. You know what I'm saying you,
Speaker 2: We're gonna bleed hip And that's really what it is.
Speaker 2: It's like we have these but it's the icons, the
Speaker 2: people who paved the way before, the people that can
Speaker 2: tell these stories like like like like even us asking
Speaker 2: about the party in Cedric and you're saying you haven't
Speaker 2: been there.
Speaker 5: Like it opens up this mysterious.
Speaker 2: Box of hip hop that like you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: Like Crazy Legs has his version, you got your version,
Speaker 2: Coohirk has his version. This band Bottle who got his version.
Speaker 1: There's so many.
Speaker 2: But the thing is it all all in this beautiful
Speaker 2: pot of hip hop. Yes, this is beautiful soup. It's
Speaker 2: in this beautiful beautiful whatever it is, it's hip hop.
Speaker 1: You you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: And when we get pillars like you would get legends
Speaker 2: like you would get I cars like you. It's like,
Speaker 2: I think, this is one of the most quietest I've
Speaker 2: ever been, And.
Speaker 1: It was you guys.
Speaker 2: It wasn't because I was quiet because I didn't have
Speaker 2: things to say. It was quiet because I was soaking
Speaker 2: up the knowledge. And as much as I've been I
Speaker 2: still learn things, like I'm they'll learn it so much.
Speaker 1: It's so beautiful to see you.
Speaker 2: Just and and then a lot of these people, you know, like,
Speaker 2: it's so good to see you in great spirits. It's
Speaker 2: so good to see you, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: spreading the hip hop because so many people, like like
Speaker 2: some of your your statesmen, you know, they don't they
Speaker 2: don't open theyself up to people, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: They're like, you know what, I'm a part of the
Speaker 1: royal family. Fuck you. You know what I'm saying. I'm
Speaker 1: saying so it's it's vice versa, like, oh no, I
Speaker 1: feel it's critically important that this, this, this, this this
Speaker 1: information gets shared because you know, once again Wikipedia.
Speaker 7: This is not on the internet.
Speaker 1: This is not a lot of this stuff that that
Speaker 1: I talked about today.
Speaker 7: Was not on the internet.
Speaker 1: Is because I didn't talk right, you know, and Bam
Speaker 1: will say the same thing. A Hurdles say the same thing,
Speaker 1: and Breakout will say that say say the same thing.
Speaker 1: You know. And it's wonderful to have platforms like this
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of new type platforms out there,
Speaker 1: So a platform like this to say, let us play
Speaker 1: honor to the people who did things that have passed right,
Speaker 1: it's wonderful.
Speaker 3: Before I think, I want to add to what Nora
Speaker 3: was saying, it's what I think is what we're trying
Speaker 3: to do was critically important to hip hop. I think
Speaker 3: right now most importantly is that we steer people away
Speaker 3: that the young generation that looks at at at social
Speaker 3: media numbers to dictate who are the leaders of the culture.
Speaker 3: This is why just just numbers in social media, that's
Speaker 3: that doesn't matter, because what taught us is I remember
Speaker 3: listening to artists speak about what was going on before
Speaker 3: I even understood what was going on. And you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, like like, I'm not from the generation
Speaker 3: that you guys came up in, but there was the
Speaker 3: artist I was listening to, my OG's in a sense
Speaker 3: telling me, no, these are the people that I grew
Speaker 3: up on, so I respect them. Therefore I respect you.
Speaker 3: Then I dig in the crates I found out about you.
Speaker 3: Then you are you know who you are in my mind.
Speaker 1: We need to do that. We need to elevate the
Speaker 1: real leaders.
Speaker 3: Of the culture, not that social media or popular whatever
Speaker 3: dictate this.
Speaker 1: You You are the leader.
Speaker 7: Thank you, Thank you so much, so much.
Speaker 1: Up man, Well, I got to give you my flower
Speaker 1: your flowers too.
Speaker 33: You know, you invented hip hop, you invented you invent
Speaker 33: hip hop, you invented rap music, and you invented turntablism,
Speaker 33: and that's what I've been obsessed with my whole life.
Speaker 7: And thank you man.
Speaker 1: You are incredible in them once baby, thank you man.
Speaker 33: But but it's just crazy that you actually it's actually
Speaker 33: surreal that you invented what we do in them turntables,
Speaker 33: and you invented rap music because it would be nobody
Speaker 33: rapping over the breakbeats if you wasn't bringing them back
Speaker 33: and passing the mic off the cowboy or whatever. So
Speaker 33: it's kind of surreal when you really think of that.
Speaker 33: That's just the dumb it down for the listeners like you.
Speaker 33: You are the number one inventor. I'm just gonna give
Speaker 33: you that. You know what I'm saying, you Thomas Citizen,
Speaker 33: So you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7: I just want to say that not beating around the boat.
Speaker 2: Supposed to dude that invented the peanut. Oh yeah we
Speaker 2: have George.
Speaker 1: Warstone Washington car. Yeah, yeah, you like.
Speaker 33: So I got two questions and jumping around, but all
Speaker 33: your stories was in the Bronx. My question is what
Speaker 33: was your relationship with the other Burroughs. What was going
Speaker 33: on with hip hop? Did you was you tapped into
Speaker 33: Queens and Brooklyn and stan Island?
Speaker 7: What was they doing?
Speaker 1: Or would you even or you in your own little bubble,
Speaker 1: you know what.
Speaker 7: I'm saying, like what we did?
Speaker 1: You even know what was going on in Queens, Brooklyn,
Speaker 1: steyn Island? Good question? Okay, and this is I think
Speaker 1: I said this earlier. Well, Hollywood did Hollywood. Hollywood would
Speaker 1: do five parties in one night. So what we started
Speaker 1: doing was renting a sound system that wasn't ours, cause
Speaker 1: that's what takes the longest to take it apart and
Speaker 1: no ship, renting a sound system, renting other DJs and
Speaker 1: hip hop groups. We would perform for like an hour,
Speaker 1: jump in a car go to Queens play, jump in
Speaker 1: a car play Brooklyn, So we knew what the five
Speaker 1: boroughs was doing. It's just that the major ones, which
Speaker 1: was hurt myself, Bam, breakout, a lot of us didn't
Speaker 1: move around like that. I definitely moved around to see
Speaker 1: who was going to be the next Kingpins in Harlem
Speaker 1: because they were right next door to us. And then
Speaker 1: from from there it went to Brooklyn and then from
Speaker 1: there it went to Staten Island.
Speaker 33: So all these ladys you see where they way behind
Speaker 33: the bronx, so they was they was had their own
Speaker 33: little movement.
Speaker 7: This is what I would hear.
Speaker 1: We heard the tapes and hearing the concess tapes, who
Speaker 1: was asking ourselves how the fuck is he doing that?
Speaker 1: That's how the world got around. When we got near
Speaker 1: town to plays like we want to see you do
Speaker 1: that live? Because on the mixtapes this ship sounded impossible
Speaker 1: to do. So that was like our audio flyer and
Speaker 1: that played a major role that allowed me to go
Speaker 1: to different boroughs and get an interest on we want
Speaker 1: to go see these motherfuckers do these ship live? And
Speaker 1: we did. So that's how we started to figure out
Speaker 1: what was buzzing in the other boroughs. But were they
Speaker 1: following the Bronx or day or they just they were
Speaker 1: following the Bronx because they knew what we was doing.
Speaker 1: They like, we was listening to y'all tape copy. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. That's how they figured out what
Speaker 1: we was doing. If they weren't able to make it
Speaker 1: to the Bronx, the tapes was the next translator on
Speaker 1: how we were doing what we were doing in the Bronx.
Speaker 1: So another question.
Speaker 33: A lot of people got their flowers yourself, cool heart,
Speaker 33: But obviously ban Boda was excluded.
Speaker 1: You think you should have been excluded this year due
Speaker 1: to what was going on.
Speaker 33: Would never exclude him? Now, let me tell you you
Speaker 33: didn't exclude him. I'm talking about the masses. I didn't
Speaker 33: see any tributs, not even.
Speaker 1: Right about that.
Speaker 7: Let me tell you something.
Speaker 1: I still don't know how that that case, let's call
Speaker 1: it that case, how it's going to turn out, on
Speaker 1: what's going to happen. But you can't deny history. I cannot.
Speaker 1: It'd be a big hole in this story if I
Speaker 1: took him out of the mix of me speaking, it'd
Speaker 1: be and if somebody would catch me out there okay,
Speaker 1: well when the gangs were around, what were you doing then?
Speaker 1: When on my line say oh, all the gangs was
Speaker 1: in it? No, bam turned him around. It's just he
Speaker 1: plays a major role in this ship man and the
Speaker 1: situation that he's in. I can't judge it. I am
Speaker 1: not a lawyer, I'm not whatever. Whatever, whatever it was
Speaker 1: and how it happened, he played a major role. He
Speaker 1: is a king in this culture, hands down. Last question, Blondie,
Speaker 1: how did you meet her? Was she the first female rapper?
Speaker 1: What was the whole thing with Blondie? Shatrock was the
Speaker 1: first film? No, I know how that went down. Fam
Speaker 1: Pire Praider used to come to my parties and he says, Yo,
Speaker 1: I got some friends and soho. You know Blondie you know,
Speaker 1: and her husband. You know, they're good friends of mine, man,
Speaker 1: and you know, one day I'm gonna bring them up.
Speaker 1: I'm like, get the fuck out here. He's like, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: these are my friends. I'm like, really.
Speaker 7: He kept his word.
Speaker 1: She seen me and she made it absolutely clear to Freddy,
Speaker 1: I'm going to write a song about the way he
Speaker 1: does those things on the turntable. Freddie told me, I'm like,
Speaker 1: hit the fuck out here and all of a sudden
Speaker 1: in between, like when you record an album, you rest.
Speaker 1: You can record an album and then you rest during
Speaker 1: the rest perty people say, yo, you got a record.
Speaker 7: I said, noah, we.
Speaker 1: Be resting. There's some record with some women talking about
Speaker 1: cars and bars, and I'm like, what's And then when
Speaker 1: I heard it, I'm like, oh shit. She kept her word.
Speaker 1: She called sugar Hill and asked them can I be
Speaker 1: in a video? And sugar Hill said no, oh wow,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, you weren't in that video. I seen him
Speaker 1: and that's why the other one other person played the
Speaker 1: role in that. And I say this over and over
Speaker 1: again because what would have happened is and if I
Speaker 1: had got on that video, the DJ world would have
Speaker 1: went to the moon to Pluto because I would have
Speaker 1: definitely took that light. And I just said, yo, it's
Speaker 1: like five hunch of ball bus. Motherfucker's back home. Boom boom,
Speaker 1: boom poomo. This the holy shit mainstream mainstream boom.
Speaker 7: But she said no, So I never got on that.
Speaker 1: But I thank Blondie for bringing me into white people
Speaker 1: and Germany people and that other world I needed. I
Speaker 1: needed to get in that world because I didn't want
Speaker 1: this thing to just be just black or just Latin.
Speaker 1: What year was that though, I'm just trying to like
Speaker 1: put it in. Shot Rocks, shot Rock with the seventies,
Speaker 1: so brodid yeah, early eighties. Yeah, it was not you
Speaker 1: know when we're making records now, we're in the record
Speaker 1: business now. Is that close to when I was Philo
Speaker 1: Walstole Probably was a few years back from that from that, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Shout out and shout out to Charlie with that man
Speaker 1: to do, to come in and do what he did.
Speaker 7: Uh, that was wonderful as well.
Speaker 1: And I can remember I was standing there all day
Speaker 1: waiting to get shot, and then started raining and Charlie
Speaker 1: had to return the camera back. It was a Sunday hit,
Speaker 1: return the camera back to the movie house Monday, so
Speaker 1: they had to drop me off home. We never got
Speaker 1: to shoot me. The shooting team, the producers team says,
Speaker 1: we got to use the bathroom. It shull come upstairs
Speaker 1: Cyprus Avenue on thirty A Street. The shooter says, you know, Charlie,
Speaker 1: who's a producer, why don't you shoot flash right there?
Speaker 1: Charlie says, right where? Because I had the kitchen and
Speaker 1: had a cutout. You can look into the kitchen from
Speaker 1: the living room and the counter was right there. So
Speaker 1: the shooter says, let's shoot flash right there. Charlie says,
Speaker 1: this is not gonna work. He says, yes, it could work.
Speaker 7: So they shut up. Shout up all the cameras.
Speaker 1: I cut bondi gras and that came one of the
Speaker 1: biggest scenes in the whole the whole movie. So shout
Speaker 1: out to Charlie, you know. And that's another story that
Speaker 1: needs to be one of the first representations on film, right,
Speaker 1: absolutely the first, absolutely the first. And he can't enough
Speaker 1: to come into the Bronx and film us. You know,
Speaker 1: it's it's a wonderful thing. And with fifty years from now,
Speaker 1: the kid's gonna look at this and they're gonna say,
Speaker 1: oh shit, they came back and looked, you know, because
Speaker 1: it's like you said, either we allow the powers that
Speaker 1: be to rewrite the narrative or you go find that
Speaker 1: people who wrote the narrative and let them tell you
Speaker 1: the narrative. And that makes this place, this thing you
Speaker 1: guys are doing. Thanks so wonderful, Thank you soul.
Speaker 2: So a director comes to you, see for lack of
Speaker 2: for the first person, I think of Opportuno and Antoine
Speaker 2: foul Quad Okay, together, it comes to you and says, flash,
Speaker 2: I want to do a movie about hip hop? Is
Speaker 2: this movie about you by yourself? Or is this movie
Speaker 2: the four people You've been naming this whole time.
Speaker 1: Always some four people, but it's not.
Speaker 2: Let me finish my question, because this is now we're
Speaker 2: getting the lucrative park. Go ahead, because they're saying, Yo,
Speaker 2: do you want a movie about hip hop?
Speaker 1: We don't mind if it's you or it's four.
Speaker 5: If it's you, you eat this whole bag, whatever this bag.
Speaker 1: Is, but you will.
Speaker 2: We can take the story for you from your from you,
Speaker 2: and you can break down these four stories if we
Speaker 2: can get it from you. Or do you want to
Speaker 2: consult these other two these other three people? Do you
Speaker 2: consult them? Or do you take the whole bag and
Speaker 2: say I'm another story position?
Speaker 7: No, I go get them and I split the back up.
Speaker 1: I have to, Okay, I have to because you know
Speaker 1: the reason why I have this, Because I don't have
Speaker 1: to complete, complete, complete, Yeah, I don't have that story
Speaker 1: I have. I have what I've seen in public, but
Speaker 1: I don't know Mom and Dad, their mom and Dad's story.
Speaker 1: I need I need that, and then we have our
Speaker 1: second tiers. They play a major role to continue to push.
Speaker 7: It as well.
Speaker 1: So I'd have to put back and say you this
Speaker 1: is what it is. All right, do we do this together?
Speaker 1: Do we not?
Speaker 3: I want us to sit down for free. And I've
Speaker 3: been saying this year for you guys, need to do,
Speaker 3: need to do. I would love for us to be
Speaker 3: somehow involved in this and to put the cameras wherever
Speaker 3: and just let us just talk.
Speaker 6: It's Mount Rushmore. Just call it the Mount Rushmore with your.
Speaker 1: Four This would be absolutely wonderful because I'm sure that
Speaker 1: our stories run parallel some way, or somehow it runs parallel,
Speaker 1: and then for you guys that are watching, it'll all
Speaker 1: come together like, oh, that connected to that, to that
Speaker 1: connected to that, and that connected to that, and that's
Speaker 1: why that is that and that's what you don't have yet.
Speaker 1: We don't have that story where we're all there. Pork
Speaker 1: is not well, but he's got a team of people.
Speaker 1: Bamits in a situation. He's got a team of people.
Speaker 1: Break out, bring yourself, bring my team, and let's just
Speaker 1: sit here and just have I like eight fish only
Speaker 1: this get me some lobsters and crabs and the ship,
Speaker 1: lots of that, and I'm good. We need to commit
Speaker 1: to that. We need to come in. That could be
Speaker 1: a chance presents the guy you got you got to be,
Speaker 1: but you got to be the gods.
Speaker 2: I want to comm into us trying to make that
Speaker 2: we definitely, but let me ask you right because me
Speaker 2: and if it is something that we have been saying
Speaker 2: since we started the show as well, is that hip
Speaker 2: hop can have.
Speaker 1: Our own union, right, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Other than all sports and all the all the other
Speaker 2: you know people entertainers other than boxing, hip hop is
Speaker 2: the only other like entertainment, uh form that doesn't have unions.
Speaker 1: And union when you mean my union like sag like
Speaker 1: a sag.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like insurance saying you know, like a sad too,
Speaker 2: like a sad actors.
Speaker 1: You can let me do the question back at you
Speaker 1: would be what would be the duties of this union
Speaker 1: to take care of our people if you need. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is what I would.
Speaker 7: Okay, let me expand on that. I love this. I
Speaker 7: love this cool.
Speaker 1: If we can make a union that would put re
Speaker 1: lease our own if a person is in trouble. He's
Speaker 1: getting in trouble. Send him to the union. Like there's
Speaker 1: too many rappers. You can see them on their way
Speaker 1: to going to prison.
Speaker 7: From their own rights.
Speaker 8: We got right.
Speaker 1: The car crash. Before the car crash, let's grab said
Speaker 1: hello because some of the because some of these hip
Speaker 1: hopis may not have elders people around him and say listen,
Speaker 1: you know you're getting ready to crash. If we can
Speaker 1: police our own, a lot of the ship that happens
Speaker 1: today would not happen. That's just how I see it.
Speaker 1: We should police our own. It's a great, great idea.
Speaker 1: Nor hopefully before I leave out of here, I would love.
Speaker 3: To see Chuck Dee and Kris and I think Curtis
Speaker 3: blow they created something, and Kimming just well that's not
Speaker 3: that created that fund.
Speaker 1: But see, but what I love about what NAG is doing.
Speaker 1: I think it is absolutely wonderful. It's beautiful. I think
Speaker 1: it's so beautiful. But there's so many people, that's the thing,
Speaker 1: that are much more needy. With Rock cam Worth that absolutely,
Speaker 1: Scott is worth that, absolutely, but there are three other
Speaker 1: elements of people that don't have that are struggling doing that.
Speaker 1: And if he'd had done it the full the full
Speaker 1: element way wouldn't.
Speaker 7: Make that ship so much.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of unsung heroes that need their dues.
Speaker 1: And then the reason why I.
Speaker 3: Think SAG is such a good example of of of
Speaker 3: a type of union is because SAG is whatever you
Speaker 3: give to give into SAG, you get out of SAG.
Speaker 3: So that allows everybody at every level of hip hop
Speaker 3: to be a part of this union. Wow, SAG even
Speaker 3: has and I mean again, I don't know one hundred percent.
Speaker 3: I'm not a scholar. I actually just joined SAG recently.
Speaker 3: But they have housing for like be actors that never
Speaker 3: made it big in Hollywood that when they become homeless,
Speaker 3: if they become homeless, they can live in these homes.
Speaker 1: Thank god.
Speaker 7: Oh wow.
Speaker 3: But you know, as long as they their dudes were,
Speaker 3: you know, they had they were members cer certain amount
Speaker 3: of time. So I think that SAG is a good
Speaker 3: thing for us to look and I think that that
Speaker 3: the chuck them.
Speaker 1: Aligned with SAG in some way.
Speaker 3: I think we need some But the problem is is
Speaker 3: that it's such a big undertaking that you need someone
Speaker 3: that's well schooled in finance and banking and insurance to
Speaker 3: be able and nobody.
Speaker 1: Like we all talk it. Yeah, but to do the
Speaker 1: mechanics of that, that's it nothing to killer. Mike could
Speaker 1: do it. I love killing killing.
Speaker 5: I love kill them, killed them all the money, go ahead.
Speaker 1: I love killing Mike. Actually, when I've heard the name,
Speaker 1: I'm like, dam it's supposed to be a real motherfucker killer, motherfucker.
Speaker 1: I went to I went to a family of and
Speaker 1: he was there, and I sat down with this guy.
Speaker 1: This guy is off the hook, intelligent, like total, He's incredible. Man.
Speaker 1: I hope he was God. I hope he wins the Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's up for grounded.
Speaker 7: I hope he wins that ship.
Speaker 1: Intelligent jeim and really nice guy, really really nice guy.
Speaker 11: Man.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that name fit him. Don't killing Mike,
Speaker 1: but he's like nice Mike, you like that, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? He was killing with the words calm
Speaker 1: Fano phantom except so.
Speaker 2: Let me s because you know I'm black, but I'm
Speaker 2: half perto weecan two right? What was the first Puerto
Speaker 2: Rican you ever seen in the in the hip hop
Speaker 2: or they was always around?
Speaker 1: Keep it Real?
Speaker 7: DJ Charlie Chase.
Speaker 1: The first Puerto Rican DJ ever see this see as
Speaker 1: you guys asked the stories.
Speaker 2: You know, to go from here to there. It's ludicris,
Speaker 2: Yes it is. We just had little Chris Is on
Speaker 2: the shore as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, DJ Charnie Chase and the group he used to
Speaker 1: DJ for was the Cold Crush.
Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying. Like he has a story.
Speaker 1: I know I've been knowing him for decades. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: church is ready to come on drinking. He lives in Orlando.
Speaker 1: We gotta have him on.
Speaker 7: You should have him on.
Speaker 1: He got stories. I only got a smidget of what
Speaker 1: he is. Only he could tell his story. And that's.
Speaker 5: Dominicans, he said, none of the Dominicans.
Speaker 2: You ain't gotta get him.
Speaker 6: No problem appreciated.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, because yeah, yeah, yeah, what's up?
Speaker 2: But now listen, man, let me just tell you man
Speaker 2: one more time, man, how much we appreciate this a
Speaker 2: lot of you.
Speaker 1: Man, This is what we do it for.
Speaker 2: You know, I called Scram Jones, I call my DJ,
Speaker 2: butch Rock who Scram Jones is my DJ. But you
Speaker 2: know they both kind of my DJs, and I wanted
Speaker 2: them to come in because I know how honored they
Speaker 2: are in the DJ for Fielder as much as I
Speaker 2: am as MC as honored to that.
Speaker 5: There's always DJs.
Speaker 2: They're the people that not only throw flowers at your feet,
Speaker 2: but they're even the ones that pick the flowers to
Speaker 2: throw your feet. And I want you to know how
Speaker 2: appreciated you are in hip hop and his totality, but
Speaker 2: in the elements of hip hop. That's why I wanted
Speaker 2: the other DJs to come and help me throw the flowers.
Speaker 2: And if you appreciate you are the Princess Munda. You
Speaker 2: understand I'm saying you are exactly you know, hip hop royalty.
Speaker 1: You are.
Speaker 16: I was.
Speaker 2: There's no artists in the world, especially a hip hop artist,
Speaker 2: that you should be able to call and they not
Speaker 2: answer you within twenty four hours.
Speaker 1: I've been, I've been blessed, and they do.
Speaker 7: And we don't we know.
Speaker 5: We know flash let's take let's give you flowers.
Speaker 1: We know that. But I'm just saying. What I'm saying is,
Speaker 1: thank you so much.
Speaker 2: If any artist is out there listening from a twelve
Speaker 2: year old artists to an artist that's two hundred and twelve,
Speaker 2: figure it out. If this man called you, drop your
Speaker 2: grandmama's pancakes out your mouth. You split the tick tack
Speaker 2: out your mouth, you unlace your Blissiyaga slippers, and you
Speaker 2: get to this.
Speaker 5: Man whatever the fuck he asks you for. If he
Speaker 5: asks you to eat a honeybug and your nose, you
Speaker 5: know you do it.
Speaker 2: If he acts you to clip your toenails with watermelon pills.
Speaker 18: You do.
Speaker 35: If he asks you to put oranges in your espresso
Speaker 35: and drinking his coffee mates, you do it.
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