WEBVTT - Episode 394 w/ Grandmaster Flash 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:16.120 He is drinks chests, motherfucking podcast makes He's a legendary 0:00:16.239 --> 0:00:16.960 queens rapper. 0:00:17.079 --> 0:00:17.680 He ain't agree. 0:00:17.760 --> 0:00:18.800 That's your boy in O R E. 0:00:18.920 --> 0:00:21.759 He's a Miami hip hop pioneer put up as d 0:00:21.920 --> 0:00:22.680 J e f N. 0:00:22.840 --> 0:00:24.599 Together they drink it up with some. 0:00:24.520 --> 0:00:26.400 Of the biggest players, you know what I mean, and 0:00:26.480 --> 0:00:31.320 the most professional, unprofessional podcast and your number one source. 0:00:31.040 --> 0:00:32.319 For drunk drink chans. 0:00:32.360 --> 0:00:35.920 Mothers Day is New Year's c That's it's time for 0:00:36.159 --> 0:00:37.120 drink champs. 0:00:37.200 --> 0:00:38.320 Drink up, motherfucker? 0:00:43.920 --> 0:00:45.479 Would good be you hoping this would have stupid? This 0:00:45.520 --> 0:00:47.199 is your boy in O R E. What up is 0:00:47.280 --> 0:00:50.400 DJ e f N. This is Militopa crazy wore drink Champs. 0:00:50.440 --> 0:00:50.519 Ye. 0:00:56.840 --> 0:01:00.279 When me and e f N started this show, got 0:01:00.280 --> 0:01:05.520 together and we said, we want to give flowers, we 0:01:05.560 --> 0:01:08.440 want to give props, we want to give love to 0:01:08.520 --> 0:01:10.559 the people who came way before us. 0:01:11.440 --> 0:01:14.959 You know, to the icons. To literally if. 0:01:14.840 --> 0:01:17.240 This man that we're about to introduce right now, if 0:01:17.280 --> 0:01:22.800 it wasn't for him, this show wouldn't exist, DJs wouldn't exist, 0:01:23.319 --> 0:01:24.640 Hit records wouldn't exist. 0:01:25.319 --> 0:01:29.440 This man has been there, He is is all and 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:30.520 is all. 0:01:32.040 --> 0:01:35.800 Legendary icon, they said, the first time you ever heard 0:01:35.840 --> 0:01:40.680 of a scratch period in hip hop, it was his fingers. 0:01:41.560 --> 0:01:43.240 We're gonna make sure we get a fingerprint of his 0:01:43.280 --> 0:01:50.640 fingers today. He is a legend of a legend. We 0:01:50.760 --> 0:01:53.560 are so when we started this show seven years ago, 0:01:53.640 --> 0:01:56.440 we wanted to give this man his flowers so bad 0:01:57.560 --> 0:01:59.960 and we are so happy today. Me and EFN as 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:02.480 been like, this is Christmas, even though it is a 0:02:02.520 --> 0:02:05.680 New Year's gift for you motherfuckers, this is Christmas for 0:02:05.800 --> 0:02:09.240 me and e FN because we we're gonna start this 0:02:09.280 --> 0:02:11.839 out with the flowers. Is the flowers here? We we 0:02:11.840 --> 0:02:13.799 we we we we go right into it. 0:02:14.360 --> 0:02:15.400 We don't stop theself. 0:02:15.880 --> 0:02:18.200 You know what, why we do the flowers. This is 0:02:18.320 --> 0:02:21.639 why we get the flowers. It's in case you don't 0:02:21.680 --> 0:02:23.079 know who the fuck we're talking about. 0:02:23.120 --> 0:02:25.840 We're talking about the one. 0:02:33.000 --> 0:02:33.240 Man. 0:02:34.240 --> 0:02:37.040 Yeah, we are so happy to have you here, and 0:02:37.080 --> 0:02:39.799 I'm so happy that you're you're like crazy because you 0:02:39.880 --> 0:02:40.600 got you got. 0:02:40.400 --> 0:02:43.560 Notes, you have got back. I think it's the only 0:02:43.600 --> 0:02:44.720 people who came with notes. 0:02:45.480 --> 0:02:46.280 I'm gonna key. 0:02:46.520 --> 0:02:50.560 Yes, you know I didn't think mathematically and with science. 0:02:50.639 --> 0:02:53.919 That's that's pretty much how I do things. 0:02:53.960 --> 0:02:54.480 You know what I'm. 0:02:54.320 --> 0:02:56.639 Okay, so we're gonna start this off. We're gonna start 0:02:56.639 --> 0:02:58.840 so I'm gonna get straight to it. Did you ever 0:02:58.880 --> 0:02:59.400 do cocaine? 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:16.720 James? No, actually, Rick James. Rick James was a musical mentor. 0:03:16.880 --> 0:03:19.799 Okay to me. Okay, so this is what I mean 0:03:19.840 --> 0:03:24.760 by that. We were on tour and our tour buss 0:03:24.880 --> 0:03:27.359 busses were close together, and I seen Rick and Rick 0:03:27.919 --> 0:03:30.240 sat me down and said, the records you got is 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:35.320 really big, man. You're publishing should be huge. Wow you 0:03:35.840 --> 0:03:37.800 I said, you didn't know about publishing. 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:37.800 At this time. 0:03:38.360 --> 0:03:39.960 I said, what is it I thought about I thought 0:03:39.960 --> 0:03:40.560 it was a book. 0:03:40.680 --> 0:03:41.880 You didn't say what is published? 0:03:44.000 --> 0:03:49.839 Publishing? Yeah, because books are publisher So me and Rick 0:03:49.880 --> 0:03:52.400 were talking. He broke it down to me what it was. 0:03:53.720 --> 0:03:56.720 So when we got back home from the tour, you know, 0:03:56.800 --> 0:03:59.480 I went to the the first five tour, the Grand 0:03:59.520 --> 0:04:05.440 Master Fest, went back to the office and I started 0:04:05.440 --> 0:04:07.080 asking questions. 0:04:09.400 --> 0:04:10.560 So let's just. 0:04:10.480 --> 0:04:14.040 Say, you know, things got a little rocky. You know, 0:04:14.200 --> 0:04:18.080 things is got a little strange because you got realized 0:04:18.120 --> 0:04:20.239 coming from the hood and doing this thing in the streets, 0:04:20.320 --> 0:04:22.040 we was kings. You know what I'm saying that going 0:04:22.080 --> 0:04:23.800 to the record business. We know what this ship was, 0:04:23.920 --> 0:04:27.400 you know what I mean? So, uh, let's just say 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:31.480 you me going too long into the story. Things started 0:04:31.520 --> 0:04:36.680 to get really really strange because you could be an 0:04:36.760 --> 0:04:41.160 expert of what you do in the streets, but getting 0:04:41.200 --> 0:04:44.000 in the record business, there's there's so many legal factors. 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:49.160 There's so many things that you don't understand how it works, 0:04:49.200 --> 0:04:53.680 and it works in layers legal this, that that. That 0:04:54.720 --> 0:04:59.280 uh got really rocky after that, And I just want 0:04:59.320 --> 0:05:04.839 to say that thank God that I had so many 0:05:04.920 --> 0:05:09.400 people that loved me then, that loved me now and 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:14.960 understand that I am one of the architects mathematically and 0:05:15.040 --> 0:05:19.480 scientifically of this culture. Absolutely, so with or without records, 0:05:20.200 --> 0:05:22.640 I still would have been here, you know so. But 0:05:22.720 --> 0:05:25.359 for me, I could honestly say I didn't have a 0:05:25.400 --> 0:05:29.800 fucking clue about the record business at that time. Who 0:05:31.080 --> 0:05:33.920 Rick put us onto the record business, put me on 0:05:34.000 --> 0:05:36.640 about certain things, how published it works, this and that 0:05:36.680 --> 0:05:39.640 and that. And then when I asked the questions. 0:05:39.480 --> 0:05:41.080 Did you hear about warranties back then? 0:05:42.000 --> 0:05:45.279 Yes, I heard roughly about royalties, but the publish that 0:05:45.279 --> 0:05:47.120 they didn't have a clue about that, you know so, 0:05:47.800 --> 0:05:49.520 and there was a lot of other business factors that 0:05:49.560 --> 0:05:53.279 I didn't know about. Uh, to find out about it 0:05:53.440 --> 0:05:58.000 late in the game, shit got really ugly, you know 0:05:58.040 --> 0:05:58.480 what I mean. 0:05:59.279 --> 0:05:59.920 That's pretty much. 0:06:00.200 --> 0:06:02.920 And it's crazy that even it's early in the game 0:06:02.920 --> 0:06:06.080 that you got in in terms of hip hop being monetized, 0:06:06.640 --> 0:06:09.640 and still it took decades, almost a decade or more 0:06:10.400 --> 0:06:13.080 for hip hop to get hit to the publishing game 0:06:13.160 --> 0:06:15.520 and the and the and the legalities of the industry 0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:17.039 and how the industry was working. 0:06:16.800 --> 0:06:21.240 Right, like for example, me being the first human sampler. 0:06:21.640 --> 0:06:25.839 Like even the lawyers at that time couldn't figure out 0:06:27.080 --> 0:06:30.040 this division of music is taking a portion of an 0:06:30.080 --> 0:06:34.520 existing composition and they and they're inserting it into a 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:39.560 new composition. How do we quantify that? The music business 0:06:39.600 --> 0:06:42.359 couldn't figure out even how to quantify it. And it 0:06:42.400 --> 0:06:44.720 got down to the point where they finally got smart, 0:06:45.040 --> 0:06:49.000 even James Brown's Huh, you had to pay royalties on 0:06:49.040 --> 0:06:52.520 it if you asserted it into a new composition called 0:06:52.520 --> 0:06:53.080 the sampling. 0:06:54.560 --> 0:06:58.400 Okay, come on, because we had I think we had 0:06:58.440 --> 0:07:00.680 someone on here and they said that Molly was the 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:04.080 first person to sample on record. But you're saying you're 0:07:04.080 --> 0:07:05.960 the first person in the sample period. 0:07:07.640 --> 0:07:12.280 He invented. What I actually invented was sampling. Okay, what 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:17.480 I actually invented is human sampling. I took a particular 0:07:17.600 --> 0:07:23.120 area of the existing composition, preferably the area where there 0:07:23.200 --> 0:07:27.440 was no singing, just the drummer and maybe light accompaniment 0:07:27.560 --> 0:07:29.640 might be the drummer in the bassis, the drummer in 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:33.640 the throw this. And when I did this with two 0:07:33.680 --> 0:07:36.240 copies of record, this particular area of the song was 0:07:36.280 --> 0:07:37.080 ten seconds long. 0:07:37.120 --> 0:07:38.320 That pissed me to fuck off. 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:40.600 So I had to figure out the way, how can 0:07:40.680 --> 0:07:42.960 I take this ten seconds from this? Pop rock, jazz, 0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:46.080 blue funk, disco, R and B, alternative, Caribbean Latin this 0:07:46.200 --> 0:07:51.240 one particular section and elongated just enough so that the 0:07:51.360 --> 0:07:56.520 breakers could have a steady beat to dance on. Later, 0:07:57.080 --> 0:08:01.440 it became the music bed for the rapper to speak on. 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:04.920 Today they called it rap. Back then, we called it 0:08:05.000 --> 0:08:08.640 him singing. I gotta. 0:08:12.400 --> 0:08:14.560 But by way go ahead, because we still didn't get 0:08:14.560 --> 0:08:15.000 a yes and no. 0:08:15.080 --> 0:08:23.640 If you sniffed copd no, no you never said yes. 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:27.240 I know, but but I know because I feel like 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:30.200 we're jumping a little bit further than I would want 0:08:30.200 --> 0:08:31.240 to because I go back. 0:08:31.240 --> 0:08:32.000 I want to go back. 0:08:32.120 --> 0:08:32.680 Let's go back. 0:08:33.240 --> 0:08:36.000 What's you because you started as you were a kid, 0:08:36.559 --> 0:08:39.520 we started doing this. So who's around you? What does 0:08:39.600 --> 0:08:42.320 influenced you? What is happening and shaping hip hop at 0:08:42.360 --> 0:08:45.720 this time? Where are you at when when Hirk's doing 0:08:45.880 --> 0:08:48.160 the parties? Like, where is this all beginning for you? 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:50.360 My beginning was. 0:08:52.320 --> 0:08:54.600 My father was an avid collective of records, but he's 0:08:54.760 --> 0:08:59.120 his main job was a track repairman in New York 0:08:59.280 --> 0:08:59.800 for the subway. 0:09:00.840 --> 0:09:05.360 Wow, my dad had this closet. 0:09:06.520 --> 0:09:10.000 And the rules in the Saddler house was this, never 0:09:10.520 --> 0:09:14.839 go in that closet where Dad's music lives, and do 0:09:15.080 --> 0:09:17.720 not go into the living room where the brown box lived. 0:09:18.720 --> 0:09:23.560 And as a single digit toddler, I was wondering, why 0:09:23.760 --> 0:09:30.240 is that Dad would come home, Mama feed and his dinner, 0:09:31.520 --> 0:09:34.719 he'd gave this alcoholic beverage. He would go to this 0:09:34.920 --> 0:09:42.440 closet and he will open this closet and e there 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:47.880 was these square things with art on it, a train, flowers, people, 0:09:48.880 --> 0:09:51.479 picture of a can. I'm wondering. 0:09:53.920 --> 0:09:55.880 What is he going to do with that? 0:09:56.600 --> 0:09:59.600 And inside this square thing he pulls out this black 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:05.560 circular thing. I wasn't allowed in the living room unless 0:10:05.600 --> 0:10:08.760 I was accompanied by an adult. He's an adult, So 0:10:08.960 --> 0:10:11.240 I follow him into the living room where the brown 0:10:11.320 --> 0:10:15.199 box lives. He pulls out this circular, brown black thing. 0:10:15.720 --> 0:10:21.160 He puts it inside this brown box and this arm 0:10:21.240 --> 0:10:26.160 thing goes up. The record goes down as the sound 0:10:26.480 --> 0:10:30.520 comes out of the brown box. I thought my dad 0:10:30.720 --> 0:10:35.360 was a fucking magician. How could he pull this off? 0:10:37.760 --> 0:10:41.839 I say to myself. I say to myself, guys, I'm 0:10:41.880 --> 0:10:44.800 gonna watch that. Dad comes home about box six o'clock. 0:10:45.679 --> 0:10:50.959 Mom feeds food, he goes over with the closet. I'm 0:10:51.040 --> 0:10:56.880 following him for a couple of weeks. Now, I said 0:10:56.920 --> 0:11:00.800 to myself when he was at work, hmm, what if 0:11:00.920 --> 0:11:08.280 I when so I went to the kitchen, got a chair, 0:11:09.920 --> 0:11:12.199 dragged it over to the closet because the knob is 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:14.079 kind of high. Turn the knob, open it. 0:11:15.000 --> 0:11:17.000 I see many of. 0:11:17.120 --> 0:11:24.719 These square things in this closet. I I grabbed the 0:11:24.800 --> 0:11:29.760 nearest one. Now. Remember now, I've been watching him the routine. 0:11:31.679 --> 0:11:34.959 So I take the nearest square one. I pull out 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:37.400 this circular thing. I go over to the brown box. 0:11:37.520 --> 0:11:40.120 I watched him do the routine. How you press the button. 0:11:40.320 --> 0:11:42.280 He puts it on this stick thing. It sits up, 0:11:42.520 --> 0:11:45.000 the arm goes up, the vinyl goes down. Was it 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:46.760 called vinyl? Do you know what it was called? The 0:11:46.920 --> 0:11:49.200 arm goes down? Music comes out of there. I'm dancing 0:11:49.240 --> 0:11:51.320 in the living room. Mom comes in the living room 0:11:51.360 --> 0:11:59.240 and says, Dad, am I allowed to say? Yeah? Whatever? Dad, Well, 0:11:59.440 --> 0:12:02.640 I'm gonna use was because moms didn't curse God wrestler. 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:09.319 So Dad's gonna tear your backside up. So I'm getting 0:12:09.320 --> 0:12:11.240 your wrisk. I'm taking a black thing off. I'm putting 0:12:11.240 --> 0:12:12.640 it back into the square. I think I'm going back 0:12:12.640 --> 0:12:14.000 to the closet, and I put it in the closet. 0:12:14.040 --> 0:12:16.880 I close the door. I'm scared as fuck. All right, 0:12:18.320 --> 0:12:23.599 Dad comes home, He does the routine. He goes to 0:12:23.679 --> 0:12:30.920 the closet, He opens the closet. We're all home. Violet, 0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:38.240 come here, Cometta, Penny, Lily, little Joe who was in 0:12:38.720 --> 0:12:43.360 my closet, Violet, which I think was his favorite. Oh Dad, 0:12:43.440 --> 0:12:45.560 you know, I don't message your records. And Committa said 0:12:45.600 --> 0:12:47.320 I don't. I got my own records. And Penny, He's 0:12:47.360 --> 0:12:49.360 like no. And Lily was too young. She was the 0:12:49.480 --> 0:12:51.800 youngest saw by the time he's getting to me, I'm 0:12:51.960 --> 0:13:00.520 like this. I get my heine hand, I get my 0:13:00.600 --> 0:13:03.640 dinner fit to me. I have to go to bed early. 0:13:05.880 --> 0:13:10.000 Now I have to figure out not when he comes 0:13:10.040 --> 0:13:13.880 home from work, but when he leaves. So my dad 0:13:13.960 --> 0:13:15.719 had his pouch because he was attract me, and he 0:13:15.760 --> 0:13:18.760 had on his tools, and I can hear the pouch 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:22.920 go over his shoulder, clink, the door opens up, the 0:13:22.960 --> 0:13:27.800 door slams. I wait, I go back in the kitchen. 0:13:28.000 --> 0:13:30.720 I get the chair, I drag it over the closet. 0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:32.800 I pull out the nearest one. After a while, it 0:13:32.960 --> 0:13:37.600 was like me getting my hindee tanned and my dad 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:43.520 just not being able to stop me doing this. Eventually, 0:13:43.840 --> 0:13:47.120 Dad left left Mom to take care of all of us. 0:13:47.559 --> 0:13:49.760 I come from the projects twenty seven to thirty two Avenue. 0:13:49.800 --> 0:13:52.000 I was on welfare, the food stamps, the whole nine yards. 0:13:52.280 --> 0:13:57.559 You know, moms had to take care of us. I 0:13:57.640 --> 0:14:03.280 still hadn't understood where the music was coming from. Mom 0:14:03.440 --> 0:14:08.560 was a seamstress. When Mom wasn't looking, I went into 0:14:08.640 --> 0:14:10.679 her plastic needle case and I grabbed the needle. 0:14:12.840 --> 0:14:13.839 I grabbed this needle. 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:17.520 I turned the stereo partially on so that the arm 0:14:17.600 --> 0:14:20.080 went and go up, and I took the needle and 0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:25.640 I put it down on the black disc. I felt 0:14:25.920 --> 0:14:32.280 vibration coming through my fingers. Oh, the music lives in 0:14:32.400 --> 0:14:37.720 the black tunnels. From this point on, I got goosebumps. 0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:40.240 My nigga, hold on, I'm sorry, man, this is getting 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:41.400 real goo ahead. 0:14:42.760 --> 0:14:48.440 From this point on, I figured out where the music 0:14:48.600 --> 0:14:55.200 was coming from. As I got older, I now wanted 0:14:55.240 --> 0:14:58.760 to I just could not understand. How is it? What 0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:01.720 is that little red light when Dad pushes his button, 0:15:03.120 --> 0:15:08.560 and everything in the house that was operable, let's say, 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:11.840 was being plugged into this thing into the wall. I'm like, 0:15:12.000 --> 0:15:17.360 what are these two little holes? And how are things happening? So, 0:15:17.600 --> 0:15:20.520 as a young teenager, I was unscrewing the back of everything, 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:25.200 the stereo in the living room, the table radio, my 0:15:25.920 --> 0:15:28.360 my sister's hair dryers, and the whole shit. I became 0:15:28.480 --> 0:15:33.680 public enemy number one in my crib. If the hair 0:15:33.760 --> 0:15:37.480 dry didn't work, body was saying yo at the table 0:15:37.560 --> 0:15:39.840 radio didn't work, the stereo didn't work, the TV didn't work. 0:15:39.880 --> 0:15:44.840 Because when I opened up the backyarll, I seen these 0:15:44.920 --> 0:15:50.880 things that look like light bulbs in the back, I'm like, 0:15:52.880 --> 0:15:57.360 what are these things? When I opened up the hair 0:15:57.480 --> 0:16:01.560 dry I would see these little, tiny, different color objects 0:16:01.880 --> 0:16:06.000 in it. My mom said, listen, you have to stop 0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:09.360 doing this. I'm going to have to send you somewhere 0:16:09.440 --> 0:16:11.400 that you can so that you can understand what it 0:16:11.520 --> 0:16:14.320 is that you are doing, because you're taking apart this stuff, 0:16:14.920 --> 0:16:17.360 but you can't put it back together. She sent me 0:16:17.440 --> 0:16:20.640 to Samuel Gofi's loo case doing technical high school, and 0:16:20.920 --> 0:16:27.840 this is where I learned about Tesla, Westinghouse Banneker. 0:16:31.080 --> 0:16:31.400 Nicola. 0:16:34.280 --> 0:16:40.240 This is where I learned about amplitude modulation AM, frequency 0:16:40.840 --> 0:16:46.640 modulation FM, solid state versus vacuum tubes. What is her 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:50.040 own meter? What is a signal generator? These are the 0:16:50.120 --> 0:16:53.080 things that you diagnose circuits. What is the bread board? 0:16:53.160 --> 0:16:55.560 What is a resistant? What is the capacitor? What is 0:16:55.600 --> 0:16:58.400 a transformer? What is a step up step down transformer? 0:16:58.440 --> 0:16:59.280 What is a diode? 0:16:59.400 --> 0:17:00.640 What is a tube? 0:17:01.040 --> 0:17:03.960 Now I got to understand what these things was and 0:17:04.080 --> 0:17:10.560 how they worked. So once I understood what Tesla did, 0:17:10.640 --> 0:17:16.320 which is alternating current, and Edison did direct current. Now 0:17:18.280 --> 0:17:22.520 behind the projects of the Throws, next project behind twenty 0:17:22.640 --> 0:17:26.760 seven thirty Dewe Avenue there was a junkyard people throughout 0:17:26.760 --> 0:17:29.480 the stereos, burned out cars, burned out. 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:30.320 Stuff was back there. 0:17:30.400 --> 0:17:35.040 So now e and NORII, I'm dragging this stuff inside 0:17:35.119 --> 0:17:40.239 the grib. My moms, my sisters is like, what are 0:17:40.280 --> 0:17:45.080 you doing. I started to understand how I could take 0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:46.840 this piece from here and this piece from here and 0:17:46.880 --> 0:17:50.640 this piece from here, and started building my own amplifier 0:17:54.560 --> 0:17:56.920 to build my speakers. I had to understand how they work. 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:02.720 You had your own speakers, right, I built my own speakers, 0:18:02.800 --> 0:18:04.200 so listen to me. Can'tflee gods. 0:18:04.680 --> 0:18:09.760 We get ready to go. We get ready to go 0:18:09.880 --> 0:18:11.560 to the rabbit hole. I didn't do this on any 0:18:11.640 --> 0:18:12.040 other show. 0:18:12.119 --> 0:18:14.080 Difference between you and her is that you had your 0:18:14.119 --> 0:18:14.639 own speakers. 0:18:14.680 --> 0:18:18.320 That he had a pretty pretty silence. So my system 0:18:18.440 --> 0:18:21.840 was shipped. So it's a difference. But here's the difference. 0:18:23.600 --> 0:18:23.920 With me. 0:18:24.280 --> 0:18:30.280 I had to figure out how the speaker works. So 0:18:30.480 --> 0:18:35.720 I say my way was math and science. So math 0:18:35.880 --> 0:18:38.960 is bars how to count them fronts and backwards. This 0:18:39.080 --> 0:18:43.040 is what DJs do, right. The science is kinetic energy. 0:18:44.040 --> 0:18:46.840 And here's how I went about understanding. 0:18:47.920 --> 0:18:49.560 That's why we're gonna be a DJ. I ain't that 0:18:49.760 --> 0:18:50.120 some mark. 0:18:50.880 --> 0:18:54.359 When you put the vinyl on the platter and you 0:18:54.440 --> 0:18:56.840 allow it to spin up to speed, and you put 0:18:56.880 --> 0:19:02.720 the needle on the vinyl. The move of air, it 0:19:02.800 --> 0:19:07.119 is connectic energy out of the turntable, goes into the receiver. 0:19:07.240 --> 0:19:10.439 It becomes electrical energy. Out of the back of the receiver, 0:19:10.640 --> 0:19:13.000 it goes through the speakers that returns back to connectic energy. 0:19:13.800 --> 0:19:19.680 That's science. There are those and I look at Wikipedia. 0:19:22.359 --> 0:19:27.879 I'm so angry at them. I came up with this 0:19:29.480 --> 0:19:34.720 of building a amplifier and human samping from no one. 0:19:36.400 --> 0:19:37.439 My mom taught me what. 0:19:37.520 --> 0:19:40.680 The value of a needle was, and my father, kicking 0:19:40.760 --> 0:19:43.119 my ass, taught me the value of what final was. 0:19:43.960 --> 0:19:46.280 Samuel gomp has taught me how to put it all together. 0:19:49.520 --> 0:19:53.040 So when I go up on the turntables. This is 0:19:53.080 --> 0:19:57.920 what made me fall in love with DJ and the 0:19:58.040 --> 0:20:05.640 disco DJ yo E, my Boya, Larry Levan, Grandmaster Flowers, 0:20:05.680 --> 0:20:10.239 P DJ Jones. When they play, they don't play like us, 0:20:11.400 --> 0:20:14.639 but they blend, and they might be between two records 0:20:14.680 --> 0:20:17.760 for fucking five minutes, and I'm like watching them, and 0:20:17.840 --> 0:20:22.440 I'm watching them here and the other record arriving while 0:20:22.520 --> 0:20:28.040 the other one is departing, I'm like, oh my god, 0:20:28.160 --> 0:20:32.920 these people are amazing on what they do. But you 0:20:33.119 --> 0:20:37.680 and I we have a shorter runway. So I had 0:20:37.720 --> 0:20:44.480 to figure out how to connect a short runway and 0:20:44.600 --> 0:20:52.680 a short amount of time. The right way to DJ 0:20:54.040 --> 0:20:56.520 is picking up their tone arm and putting it down 0:20:56.680 --> 0:21:00.399 and letting the record play. That's the way a lot 0:21:00.480 --> 0:21:06.119 of the DJs played before me, the ones that weren't 0:21:10.320 --> 0:21:16.560 weren't disco DJs. It is absolutely impossible to pick the 0:21:16.640 --> 0:21:18.680 tone of them up and drop it back down on 0:21:18.840 --> 0:21:25.119 the beat and keep the floor rocking. It's impossible. P 0:21:25.320 --> 0:21:27.600 DJ Jones gave me a turn when I met him. 0:21:27.600 --> 0:21:30.160 He says, people that cannot keep the beat on time, 0:21:30.760 --> 0:21:34.840 it's called train wreck DJ in I did not want 0:21:34.880 --> 0:21:39.160 to be that, so I had to figure out how 0:21:40.880 --> 0:21:43.800 like the DJs would play the turntable, the vinyl, and 0:21:43.880 --> 0:21:47.719 the mixer the right way. By the time I figured 0:21:47.720 --> 0:21:50.399 out how to do this, I had to play the vinyl, 0:21:50.520 --> 0:21:56.560 the mixer, and the turntable the wrong way. This is 0:21:56.640 --> 0:21:59.359 the way that me and you play. It's called the 0:21:59.400 --> 0:22:04.760 quick mix. I grew up in a home where it 0:22:04.880 --> 0:22:08.119 was pop, rock, jazz, blues, funk, disco, R and B, alternative, 0:22:08.200 --> 0:22:12.080 Latin Caribbean, jazz, all of it. So where I come from, 0:22:12.200 --> 0:22:16.240 music has no color. Dope music is just dope music. 0:22:17.400 --> 0:22:21.600 So now, when I listened to Curtis Mayfield song called 0:22:21.720 --> 0:22:25.560 move On Up that Break, and that song was made 0:22:25.600 --> 0:22:29.320 in nineteen seventy, I would notice when when my mom's 0:22:29.720 --> 0:22:32.440 or my cousins giving house parties, when a drum part came, 0:22:32.800 --> 0:22:35.920 the high knees will move more. So in my mind, 0:22:35.960 --> 0:22:37.800 I said to myself, that's the best part. 0:22:37.720 --> 0:22:38.200 Of the record. 0:22:38.240 --> 0:22:40.359 But when I thought I listening to other records, I 0:22:40.560 --> 0:22:47.200 noticed that that part was incredibly short. That made me 0:22:48.119 --> 0:22:53.720 so fucking angry. And that's when I had to figure out, 0:22:55.280 --> 0:22:58.440 how can I take this part thatst like five ten 0:22:58.520 --> 0:23:03.440 seconds and e law gated ten minutes seamlessly, so the 0:23:03.520 --> 0:23:05.920 people on the dance floor wouldn't have a clue of 0:23:06.040 --> 0:23:07.000 what I was even. 0:23:08.280 --> 0:23:13.879 Doing. No other DJ gave me this inspiration. 0:23:14.880 --> 0:23:17.879 The disco DJs taught me the law of being a 0:23:18.040 --> 0:23:24.040 DJ respectfully for people who's on the dance floor, heads 0:23:24.040 --> 0:23:27.880 should go like this. If you're playing good Times, heads 0:23:27.880 --> 0:23:31.119 should go like that. If you're playing Queen, heads should 0:23:31.119 --> 0:23:33.920 go like that if you're playing jay Z, heads should 0:23:33.920 --> 0:23:34.280 go like that. 0:23:34.440 --> 0:23:35.280 If you're playing. 0:23:35.240 --> 0:23:40.760 Drake, DJ should not be hold on okay, head should 0:23:40.840 --> 0:23:43.760 not when the DJ transition. Head should not be going 0:23:43.880 --> 0:23:47.960 like this trying to find a beat that is breaking 0:23:48.040 --> 0:23:53.280 the law of transition DJAN. 0:23:54.440 --> 0:23:57.240 And that's where my ship comes from, right Is DJ 0:23:57.400 --> 0:24:02.040 Hollywood considered a DJ just because DJ When I met. 0:24:01.960 --> 0:24:04.320 Hollywood, he was bigger than disco and he was actually 0:24:04.560 --> 0:24:07.119 king in the discos and he was actually one of 0:24:07.160 --> 0:24:10.159 the first DJs I seen that was able to have 0:24:10.240 --> 0:24:12.880 four or five parties in one night, like we would 0:24:12.880 --> 0:24:14.720 set out, set out equipment up and play form nine 0:24:14.800 --> 0:24:18.679 to four and the gymnasium or whatever whatever. This motherfucker 0:24:18.880 --> 0:24:22.960 was playing eleven o'clock at Club one in Manhattan and 0:24:23.040 --> 0:24:25.960 then maybe twelve to one in Brooklyn, Club two, and 0:24:26.040 --> 0:24:28.879 then Club three. Is that lowland? This montherfuckers getting kk 0:24:29.119 --> 0:24:32.560 Kate Kate Kate Kate. I considered him like one of 0:24:32.600 --> 0:24:34.920 the smartest in the game at that time because he 0:24:35.080 --> 0:24:38.440 got five he got five checks. He was doing this shit, 0:24:38.560 --> 0:24:42.159 but he was he was doing it disco, you know 0:24:42.200 --> 0:24:42.840 what I'm saying. 0:24:43.680 --> 0:24:46.879 Because said disco. Yeah, I know, we bouncing around a 0:24:46.880 --> 0:24:47.199 little bit. 0:24:47.560 --> 0:24:48.840 What is the what is the term? 0:24:49.560 --> 0:24:51.200 When's the first time you heard the term. 0:24:51.240 --> 0:24:51.720 Mc in. 0:24:55.880 --> 0:25:06.080 The first time I heard the term mc in? That's 0:25:06.160 --> 0:25:07.400 when I took the microphone. 0:25:10.720 --> 0:25:13.960 All right. I was playing in sixty three park Frox. 0:25:15.160 --> 0:25:19.199 Steve jaying. People were looking at the table. What its 0:25:19.240 --> 0:25:22.280 his magic? Tricking that shit he's doing. I needed somebody 0:25:23.040 --> 0:25:25.879 to take the attention off of me. I'll put a 0:25:25.960 --> 0:25:29.040 microphone on the other side of the table, Norrie and 0:25:29.200 --> 0:25:32.560 anybody that I could talk to. This new style of 0:25:32.720 --> 0:25:35.760 djy in lots of motherfuckers was whack. But it was 0:25:35.840 --> 0:25:39.680 this one guy that I eventually met. His name was 0:25:39.800 --> 0:25:45.520 Keith Wiggins. Street name is Cowboy, Keith Cowboy, Keith Cowboy. 0:25:48.160 --> 0:25:50.879 If I played Apache or play whatever, he had a 0:25:50.960 --> 0:25:56.639 way of having the crowd. I call it hip hop aerobics. 0:25:56.680 --> 0:26:00.640 Almost he had him here. So now, ain't a shy 0:26:00.880 --> 0:26:03.200 geek person that I was. I can't go into my 0:26:03.320 --> 0:26:06.240 collection and go in because Cowboy go and stay with me. 0:26:08.240 --> 0:26:09.639 I asked him, do you want to say me so 0:26:09.800 --> 0:26:11.720 we could go to different park to different areas to 0:26:11.800 --> 0:26:15.440 do this, and he said why not. That's the first 0:26:15.480 --> 0:26:17.280 time I heard am saying. 0:26:17.240 --> 0:26:19.919 Okay, let me interrupt you a little bit, because all right, 0:26:20.000 --> 0:26:22.360 but what are you playing? If this record wasn't made, 0:26:22.480 --> 0:26:23.520 what are you actually d. 0:26:23.720 --> 0:26:26.760 I'm playing Apache, I'm playing Rufus Thomas. I'm playing an 0:26:26.800 --> 0:26:32.960 incredible bob Go band. I'm playing oh Man. I'm playing 0:26:33.080 --> 0:26:38.119 Curtis Mayfield. I'm playing all early Man Drill. I'm playing 0:26:39.960 --> 0:26:43.440 early Barrier White. I'm playing I'm in my I'm in 0:26:43.520 --> 0:26:45.879 my head right now because I want to establish this. 0:26:45.960 --> 0:26:48.119 I want to establish this for all the listeners listening. 0:26:49.040 --> 0:26:51.720 You're saying the very first hip hop parties. 0:26:53.560 --> 0:26:58.119 Didn't play hip hop. What he was doing was eventually 0:26:58.320 --> 0:27:02.360 just think about thinking about the lagic of what you're 0:27:02.359 --> 0:27:05.280 just saying, like, because this is a hip hop Remember 0:27:05.920 --> 0:27:07.720 hip hop isn't just the music of it. 0:27:07.800 --> 0:27:10.240 But we're still think and we still got this hip 0:27:11.240 --> 0:27:15.960 hip hop the wrapping side of its developing. When he 0:27:16.200 --> 0:27:18.440 came out, actually wasn't playing hip hop. 0:27:19.440 --> 0:27:21.439 And now see this is where we different. 0:27:22.000 --> 0:27:25.840 So the question is this what was hip hop back then? 0:27:26.400 --> 0:27:30.040 Hip hop was a regurgitation of using songs that already 0:27:30.119 --> 0:27:33.520 exist exactly. Some of our dopest songs were white records 0:27:33.560 --> 0:27:36.479 and black records and foreign records. On American records, they 0:27:36.520 --> 0:27:39.240 were R and B. They would disco, they were jazz, 0:27:39.359 --> 0:27:41.920 they were Latin, they were but we had to find 0:27:41.960 --> 0:27:48.520 that little So when I started playing, I can remember 0:27:48.600 --> 0:27:51.680 guys that used to use what I call heavy on 0:27:51.840 --> 0:27:56.720 the toe arm type DJ N and as Pete would say, 0:27:56.960 --> 0:28:05.720 trade records. I was probably the most hated DJ during 0:28:05.920 --> 0:28:11.119 this time. It's because connoiseus are very careful about how 0:28:11.160 --> 0:28:14.760 they handle their record, like newborn baby, say, take it 0:28:14.800 --> 0:28:18.720 out of the white sleeve, right, and they carefully put 0:28:18.760 --> 0:28:23.399 it on the turntable, and they're very careful with it. 0:28:23.880 --> 0:28:26.400 When they finished with it, they take it out off 0:28:26.440 --> 0:28:28.440 the turntable, he put it back into the white paper 0:28:28.520 --> 0:28:32.240 and they carefully put it into the jacket. Me I 0:28:32.359 --> 0:28:34.680 took copies of the motherfucking record and just slammed it 0:28:34.680 --> 0:28:37.399 in one jacket. I was putting crayon marks or in 0:28:37.480 --> 0:28:39.360 the whole shit so it could mark, so I could 0:28:39.400 --> 0:28:41.600 mark the bricks because I played in dark places and 0:28:41.680 --> 0:28:44.040 I had to be able to find it immediately, which 0:28:44.120 --> 0:28:47.560 remember our runway was really short. So when people found 0:28:47.600 --> 0:28:50.080 out that I was putting, I was the first DJ 0:28:50.200 --> 0:28:51.640 to make records dirty. 0:28:53.240 --> 0:28:58.360 I tried getting jobs and clubs. Motherfuckers was like YO. 0:28:58.600 --> 0:29:00.280 And some of the DJ that was play ain't at 0:29:00.320 --> 0:29:03.560 that time when my friends aren't YO telling the boss man, 0:29:03.600 --> 0:29:04.239 let me get a job. 0:29:04.320 --> 0:29:05.840 You're like YO, last day know about you? 0:29:05.960 --> 0:29:06.120 Man? 0:29:06.200 --> 0:29:08.560 Like you? You moved your record back and forth, you 0:29:08.640 --> 0:29:11.600 put your fingers on it, you crayon marks in it. 0:29:11.960 --> 0:29:17.840 I couldn't get a job to save my mother, but 0:29:17.920 --> 0:29:19.680 they thinking maybe I probably was gonna spread that for 0:29:19.840 --> 0:29:25.000 me today DJ. So it wasn't until I went to 0:29:25.120 --> 0:29:28.520 this club on the off days on one hundred and 0:29:28.560 --> 0:29:31.040 sixty seventy set in Jerome and it's Italian guys own 0:29:31.120 --> 0:29:32.920 this disco club called disco Field. 0:29:33.360 --> 0:29:34.280 All right, come on. 0:29:39.800 --> 0:29:44.200 So I go in there and I mean Ali and 0:29:44.400 --> 0:29:48.280 sal Sal's the son, Ali's the father, And I say 0:29:48.320 --> 0:29:55.520 to him, well, uh, did you do you think I 0:29:55.560 --> 0:29:58.600 could get a night in here? Because Salad already heard 0:29:58.680 --> 0:30:01.600 of me, and I found that out recently. He went 0:30:01.640 --> 0:30:04.000 to the park and seeing this thing that I was doing. 0:30:04.320 --> 0:30:06.400 So by the time I got to him, I was like, yosel, 0:30:07.520 --> 0:30:11.400 you did I could get a Saturday night in your club? 0:30:12.080 --> 0:30:14.160 He looked at me like I was fucking crazy, right, 0:30:14.640 --> 0:30:15.080 he says. 0:30:15.320 --> 0:30:15.360 No. 0:30:16.000 --> 0:30:17.960 He says, what I will do is I'll give you 0:30:18.080 --> 0:30:22.360 a Tuesday. I was angry as a fucking He said, flash, 0:30:22.400 --> 0:30:24.160 if you do this, I promise you this is gonna 0:30:24.200 --> 0:30:28.680 make you huge. I was angry at first. Two months 0:30:28.760 --> 0:30:32.120 later Tuesday was rivaling Saturday. Then I got a Wednesday. 0:30:33.320 --> 0:30:36.000 So this is when I started playing in clubs with this. 0:30:36.200 --> 0:30:39.520 So I bought hip hop into disco Fever. And the 0:30:39.560 --> 0:30:42.080 people that used to come there hecked the Mansall Camacho, 0:30:42.160 --> 0:30:44.360 the Gap Band, like all the big stars that if 0:30:44.360 --> 0:30:46.680 they were in town, they came to disco Fever. They 0:30:46.680 --> 0:30:58.600 hecked a mas cocaine in the club. No you're I mean, 0:30:58.640 --> 0:31:01.760 so are you? At that time, Oh man, I was 0:31:02.920 --> 0:31:05.680 the disco Fever. I want to say, in my early twenties, 0:31:05.760 --> 0:31:07.120 maybe crazy. 0:31:07.480 --> 0:31:10.120 Okay, what is considered the first hip hop club? 0:31:12.040 --> 0:31:12.240 WHOA? 0:31:13.480 --> 0:31:16.520 You know, it's hard to say because when we was 0:31:16.720 --> 0:31:22.200 playing in the parks and this is where I kind 0:31:22.200 --> 0:31:26.240 of step out of this. In my humble opinions, I 0:31:26.400 --> 0:31:31.719 do not think a DJ came up with the title 0:31:32.520 --> 0:31:40.040 h I P H O P. They said Cowboy or 0:31:40.280 --> 0:31:46.440 love Bucks Dartsky, but they both were rappers, So it's 0:31:46.560 --> 0:31:53.520 still up for whatever for debate, debate where he came from. 0:31:53.760 --> 0:31:56.040 I personally think, in my opinion, when we was doing 0:31:56.080 --> 0:31:58.400 this earlier, early and early on, I think that it 0:31:58.440 --> 0:32:01.440 didn't have a title yet. I think we were creating 0:32:01.520 --> 0:32:05.960 something because the monster at that time was disco, and 0:32:06.040 --> 0:32:08.200 with disco you had you had to have a hard 0:32:08.240 --> 0:32:13.200 bottoms suit, jacket, no jeans, no hoodie, like we dressed 0:32:13.200 --> 0:32:17.120 the way that we dressed pretty much. So as disco 0:32:17.280 --> 0:32:22.720 was fading, hip hop came alive. But musically and how 0:32:22.800 --> 0:32:29.320 it happens is the graffiti artist was already out there, 0:32:31.320 --> 0:32:34.400 and I was told by these other breakdances that they 0:32:34.480 --> 0:32:40.040 were already out there as well. They connected to herk 0:32:41.080 --> 0:32:46.360 and to flash and to bam the rapper as we 0:32:46.560 --> 0:32:50.680 know it. Because we jackshits, we jack words from other things. 0:32:51.080 --> 0:32:54.480 So when they say am singing, M seeing really means 0:32:54.640 --> 0:32:56.720 I'm talking to you right now, and I'm a master 0:32:56.840 --> 0:33:00.240 of ceremonies and I'm sort of presiding over the room 0:33:00.280 --> 0:33:04.040 and I'm speaking. But we jack ship to call it 0:33:04.160 --> 0:33:09.160 something else. Me, I think that MC is ridically talking 0:33:09.480 --> 0:33:12.520 to the beat of a DJ's rhythm. 0:33:13.320 --> 0:33:20.000 That's what I I personally called it. So it started 0:33:20.040 --> 0:33:24.520 with Keith Cowboy. That's what I say that I'm saying. 0:33:24.600 --> 0:33:27.520 That's what I say. The others say, you know, and 0:33:27.640 --> 0:33:34.040 this is where I'm really said Cowboy here as well. 0:33:34.120 --> 0:33:35.160 I'm kind of confused. 0:33:35.200 --> 0:33:38.800 It is because, Okay, put it this way. 0:33:40.760 --> 0:33:45.640 Coo Hurk incredible, incredible sound system, he played incredible music. 0:33:46.280 --> 0:33:50.960 His crew, Cocar Rock, Timmy Tim Clark. 0:33:51.240 --> 0:33:54.320 Say, Coclar Rock was one of the first MC two 0:33:54.400 --> 0:33:54.720 as well. 0:33:55.000 --> 0:33:59.720 When I went to go see them, Coca Rock was 0:33:59.800 --> 0:34:06.600 a DJ. So I don't understand where that comes from. 0:34:08.239 --> 0:34:12.680 So if I'm seeing, if we jack the word, I'm 0:34:12.760 --> 0:34:18.840 seeing from the masses, and it's defined as a human 0:34:18.960 --> 0:34:24.799 being who talks rhythmically on the beat of music. Wasn't 0:34:24.880 --> 0:34:29.720 nobody doing that back then? We all had echo chambers. 0:34:29.800 --> 0:34:33.280 HRK had the best echochamber. We were just blabbing out whatever, 0:34:34.719 --> 0:34:42.399 but serious speaking to the beat of music. Maybe I'm 0:34:42.440 --> 0:34:46.520 going crazy. I didn't see that yet. It had it 0:34:47.360 --> 0:34:49.800 happen yet. And this is why I'm saying, out of 0:34:49.920 --> 0:34:53.520 all the four elements, the rapid did come last, but 0:34:53.680 --> 0:34:57.600 they are undisputedly the crown jewel all of this. They 0:34:57.719 --> 0:35:01.520 took this thing where it had to be, and I'm 0:35:01.560 --> 0:35:03.839 saying there was no steady beat for them to rhyme 0:35:03.920 --> 0:35:07.560 on at that time because people were using the tone 0:35:07.680 --> 0:35:09.960 arm and the beat wasn't steady, so it had been 0:35:10.040 --> 0:35:12.920 absolutely impossible for a rapper to wrap on that. So 0:35:13.000 --> 0:35:14.880 you're saying you bring that to the game, I'm saying 0:35:14.960 --> 0:35:15.560 that I did. 0:35:21.600 --> 0:35:22.080 Very humble. 0:35:22.239 --> 0:35:25.040 I just had the ball even showed, because I don't 0:35:25.040 --> 0:35:27.440 think people would understand what he means by picking up 0:35:27.440 --> 0:35:30.640 the tone arm, the DJ wasn't mixing, blending and bringing 0:35:30.640 --> 0:35:32.880 it on beat. They were literally picking up the record 0:35:32.960 --> 0:35:35.120 and putting it on the record like. 0:35:36.000 --> 0:35:38.360 Beat was crashing into the right. They weren't trying to 0:35:38.400 --> 0:35:39.320 make it sound smooth. 0:35:40.200 --> 0:35:43.240 They were just bringing it close enough by just bringing 0:35:43.280 --> 0:35:45.799 it up and down, bringing it, just dropping the needle 0:35:45.880 --> 0:35:47.920 on the record to switch the record. 0:35:48.320 --> 0:35:50.480 I'm going to remonstrate that when I get up there, 0:35:50.800 --> 0:36:02.000 you know. So for me, like last summer, I sit back, 0:36:02.080 --> 0:36:06.160 I watch all the press that comes out hYP Hop fifty. 0:36:06.280 --> 0:36:07.960 You know, first of all, they shot it on the 0:36:08.040 --> 0:36:11.560 Bronx for years and years and years. Oh this place 0:36:11.920 --> 0:36:16.120 has all the fires, the political upheaval, cops taking payoffs. 0:36:16.400 --> 0:36:18.080 You know, the Bronx is fucked up, and all of 0:36:18.120 --> 0:36:21.520 a sudden, now the Bronx is the blomb now and 0:36:21.600 --> 0:36:24.680 it's this, that, that that, and now it's mainstream. You know. 0:36:25.120 --> 0:36:29.920 So I'm saying, I'm saying to myself, well, if that 0:36:30.280 --> 0:36:37.120 is the case, why is it that all the press 0:36:37.239 --> 0:36:40.759 that I look at they say, let's start it right here, 0:36:40.800 --> 0:36:42.040 and I just say you three And it's in two 0:36:42.080 --> 0:36:51.319 thousand and four, So what the fuck happened to where 0:36:51.400 --> 0:36:59.440 it started? And carefully chronologically speaking, going how it got here? 0:37:00.160 --> 0:37:07.000 You know why that's so important because people who are eighteen, right, thirty, 0:37:08.280 --> 0:37:12.879 forty fifty, you actually have to say you were near 0:37:13.080 --> 0:37:17.160 sixty to say that you were in the park with us. 0:37:18.480 --> 0:37:22.680 So much respect to the PR and to all the 0:37:23.160 --> 0:37:31.719 depressed people. There's a whole forty eight years that has 0:37:31.880 --> 0:37:36.719 not been put in the press that is unfair to 0:37:36.880 --> 0:37:44.200 people like myself, like Africa Bambada, like Coolhirk, like DJ Breakout. 0:37:44.880 --> 0:37:49.160 Why isn't this press being definitively put in so that 0:37:49.200 --> 0:37:52.440 the babies, because things work in trends right now with 0:37:52.560 --> 0:37:55.879 the shit right now become August fourth is grand Master 0:37:56.000 --> 0:37:58.400 last day August eleven is cool. Heirk day from August 0:37:58.440 --> 0:38:01.160 twelfth as the next fucking trend. Maybe microphones, Maybe it's 0:38:01.320 --> 0:38:02.080 a fucking. 0:38:01.800 --> 0:38:02.479 Bottle of water. 0:38:03.160 --> 0:38:05.319 We need we need to get this ship right now 0:38:06.360 --> 0:38:10.560 because we're trending, because after that it goes into history 0:38:11.239 --> 0:38:16.400 history books incomplete or incorrect. And this is why I 0:38:16.520 --> 0:38:21.080 find it critically necessary that I do as much speaking 0:38:21.640 --> 0:38:24.520 and I'm only one of four, what I want to 0:38:24.560 --> 0:38:28.719 do as much speaking as possible because Norwy, you need 0:38:28.840 --> 0:38:32.920 to know, because you're an expert in your field. You 0:38:33.160 --> 0:38:36.239 need to know where this shape came from. Like you 0:38:36.320 --> 0:38:38.800 said when you opened up the show before you you 0:38:38.920 --> 0:38:42.120 should know where it does come from, who, what, where 0:38:42.440 --> 0:38:46.160 and why. And this is the reason why I'm going 0:38:46.200 --> 0:38:48.759 to be going to all the sunny colleges. I'm going 0:38:48.800 --> 0:38:50.680 to the y m c A, to all the babies, 0:38:51.040 --> 0:38:53.360 all the corporates. I'm doing this birth of a Culture 0:38:53.680 --> 0:38:57.080 corporate tour. I'm gonna go around and speak as much 0:38:57.080 --> 0:39:00.360 as I possibly can because I have to. This is 0:39:00.440 --> 0:39:04.799 this is, this is our thing, and long after I'm 0:39:04.920 --> 0:39:08.240 going I'd like to know that this thing is correct 0:39:08.560 --> 0:39:12.160 because being quite frankly, a lot of people celebrate their birthday, right. 0:39:13.280 --> 0:39:14.920 I don't give a fuck about a birthday. You know 0:39:14.960 --> 0:39:18.440 what I care about my death day? What am I 0:39:18.600 --> 0:39:22.279 leaving so the babies could build on that? That's where 0:39:22.320 --> 0:39:24.960 I'm at. So this is why I got to speak. 0:39:26.120 --> 0:39:28.560 You said one of the four, who's the other three? 0:39:29.520 --> 0:39:34.680 Quirk bam botta breakout flash? The four of us the 0:39:34.760 --> 0:39:37.719 ship ain't just one person at one time frame. This 0:39:37.880 --> 0:39:39.440 is a combination of a lot of things. I got 0:39:39.520 --> 0:39:42.560 a bullet point thinking, Man, I'm gonna go all now, 0:39:42.920 --> 0:39:50.680 I'm a fucking geek. Imma, I gotta I gotta do this. 0:39:50.880 --> 0:39:54.560 Like you know, we need to to congratulate the breakdances, 0:39:54.640 --> 0:39:58.920 to congratulate the like the producers. Why the fuck are 0:39:59.000 --> 0:40:01.279 we not talking about to producers? Because I'm telling you 0:40:01.400 --> 0:40:06.880 what I did. Human sampling. There was just a machine 0:40:06.960 --> 0:40:10.000 that came into play called the computer and the sampler. 0:40:10.960 --> 0:40:14.080 They took that same piece of information and inserted in 0:40:14.120 --> 0:40:16.920 the computer. Hit the spacebom and tell the space to 0:40:17.040 --> 0:40:19.960 tell the computer to repeat this loop. It's the shit 0:40:20.040 --> 0:40:25.320 that I did. If we don't give love to these producers, 0:40:25.400 --> 0:40:28.920 this ship would have never become big business. It's not 0:40:29.160 --> 0:40:33.080 possible somebody had to go in and do that. And 0:40:33.160 --> 0:40:35.680 this is why I talk about these I think it's 0:40:35.719 --> 0:40:39.719 really important that journalists interview to the producer because a 0:40:39.800 --> 0:40:42.000 lot of your rappers, you'll come in and say to Ron, 0:40:42.080 --> 0:40:43.200 you get the fuck out and keep. 0:40:43.080 --> 0:40:43.680 Going, right. 0:40:44.480 --> 0:40:46.080 Somebody got a say in the room and put that 0:40:46.160 --> 0:40:50.520 bitch together, yep, And that is the producer. Why aren't 0:40:50.600 --> 0:40:56.759 we talking about these people? Premiere Dre Oh shit, I 0:40:56.840 --> 0:41:03.480 gotta fucking lift Pete Pete Rock Can I missed exactly? 0:41:03.960 --> 0:41:08.480 Timberlind like exactly? We have to Kanye West. Let's talk 0:41:08.480 --> 0:41:12.080 them about that because the nine times out of ten, 0:41:12.160 --> 0:41:15.719 if you would have asked a rapper with his truncation 0:41:16.280 --> 0:41:19.560 with a sampling, what is equeuing? We don't know that 0:41:19.640 --> 0:41:23.960 ship right, Oh, thank you so much. They don't want 0:41:24.000 --> 0:41:28.840 to have a clue to this. So it's just important 0:41:28.960 --> 0:41:32.760 on how I did my science. But it's just important 0:41:32.800 --> 0:41:36.480 as some producers in the studio in their science to 0:41:36.600 --> 0:41:38.759 deliver the master to the record companies, and then the 0:41:38.840 --> 0:41:42.959 record companies they should get love too, because they didn't 0:41:43.000 --> 0:41:44.960 have to put this ship out. We had there was 0:41:45.080 --> 0:41:47.040 no bootprint before this to say that this ship was 0:41:47.080 --> 0:41:50.440 gonna be the ball. They took a chance with this 0:41:50.520 --> 0:41:52.680 ship to the Sylvia Roans and the rest of them. 0:41:52.840 --> 0:41:57.160 They took Sugarhill Record. Yeah, Sylvia Robinson, all these people. 0:41:57.200 --> 0:41:59.759 They didn't have to do this so that we could 0:41:59.760 --> 0:42:03.279 sit here and live comfortable and eat off this ship 0:42:03.360 --> 0:42:07.239 that we love. I'm walking into the room. I'm walking 0:42:07.280 --> 0:42:10.319 into the up to the to the to the room 0:42:10.360 --> 0:42:11.759 here that I'm in, and I'm like, oh, let's just 0:42:11.920 --> 0:42:13.839 fly as a mother fucking may back right there. 0:42:13.880 --> 0:42:15.680 I said, who fucking maybag is that? 0:42:15.840 --> 0:42:15.880 No? 0:42:16.000 --> 0:42:24.200 You looked at me and said, hey, man, so let 0:42:24.239 --> 0:42:25.000 me ask you a question. 0:42:25.680 --> 0:42:27.799 I was clear something you mentioned Marty Mark what I think? 0:42:27.880 --> 0:42:30.799 What what he said and will is that he recreated 0:42:31.400 --> 0:42:33.080 with flash. He was one of the first producers or 0:42:33.120 --> 0:42:35.960 the first producer to recreate on record. 0:42:36.040 --> 0:42:39.000 Yeah, on record, that could be possibly true because it 0:42:39.160 --> 0:42:42.719 was Cold Child and Water Brothers was probably one of 0:42:42.800 --> 0:42:45.920 the first. But then it was Death Chair two. You know, 0:42:46.320 --> 0:42:51.360 it's it's up for debate, but the insertion of music 0:42:52.239 --> 0:42:55.280 inside of a new production and the human beings speaking 0:42:55.400 --> 0:42:58.680 on it. There were three major labels that was pretty 0:42:58.760 --> 0:43:03.080 much doing that, and that was Cole Chilling, Cole Chilling, 0:43:03.120 --> 0:43:06.880 Warner Brothers. Marley mar was and he was a producer 0:43:07.239 --> 0:43:09.080 for all the artists, but Big Daddy Kane and bis 0:43:09.160 --> 0:43:10.680 Walking all of them, you know. And then there was 0:43:10.760 --> 0:43:13.840 sugar Hill, and then they then came Russell Simmons with 0:43:14.280 --> 0:43:16.120 jam and Leo Cohen, you know what I'm saying. 0:43:16.120 --> 0:43:20.120 And it just went from there, and it was Uptown. 0:43:19.040 --> 0:43:21.520 Records, bad Boy Records, and it goes on and on 0:43:21.680 --> 0:43:25.399 and on and on and on. So this thing has 0:43:25.800 --> 0:43:30.239 so much of a story of substance. And when I 0:43:30.440 --> 0:43:36.040 look at the press that's happening, I'm like, who is 0:43:36.600 --> 0:43:40.960 controlling the narrative of the press, because they're leaving out 0:43:41.160 --> 0:43:42.040 so many things? 0:43:43.040 --> 0:43:46.160 But it isn't. I'm sorry, but this is kind of 0:43:46.239 --> 0:43:48.480 like the NBA, Like like when you look at the 0:43:48.600 --> 0:43:51.520 NBA right now, right the NBA and anybody playing in 0:43:51.520 --> 0:43:53.759 the NBA, I got so many friends, so many people 0:43:53.760 --> 0:43:54.759 who have my phone numbers, so. 0:43:54.800 --> 0:43:55.360 Do not call me. 0:43:55.880 --> 0:43:58.520 Not talking about you particularly, but the NBA kind of 0:43:58.560 --> 0:44:01.719 seems soft right now, right And it's like like and 0:44:02.239 --> 0:44:05.560 and when you compare it to the nineties, right and 0:44:05.840 --> 0:44:08.279 it's like if you don't have these old clips. 0:44:08.000 --> 0:44:08.600 Of the nineties. 0:44:08.640 --> 0:44:10.719 These people don't understand that the NBA was like playing 0:44:10.800 --> 0:44:13.399 right as out. It was like right as a boy, 0:44:13.680 --> 0:44:16.560 and now it's like playing in fucking Barbie Land. 0:44:16.719 --> 0:44:19.040 You know what I'm saying, like like Disney learned. 0:44:19.120 --> 0:44:19.759 I'm sorry, Like. 0:44:20.440 --> 0:44:22.520 People, please don't hit me. I don't mean it like that. 0:44:22.840 --> 0:44:26.000 But what I'm trying to say is, isn't it isn't it? 0:44:26.200 --> 0:44:27.000 Isn't it? Isn't it? 0:44:27.160 --> 0:44:29.560 Like when you see these young kids, right, these young 0:44:29.640 --> 0:44:32.040 kids they twenty they they are twenty five and under, 0:44:32.440 --> 0:44:34.920 and they would actually sit there and be like, Okay, 0:44:35.080 --> 0:44:37.040 I'm gonna go get to the New Jordan's. But they're 0:44:37.080 --> 0:44:40.040 making money through hip hop. Yes, they're making money through 0:44:40.120 --> 0:44:42.359 hip hop, but there would go and they don't. They 0:44:42.440 --> 0:44:45.080 haven't seen Michael Jordan play or Doctor Dre But why 0:44:45.120 --> 0:44:47.840 wouldn't they go? And yeah, yeah, why wouldn't they do 0:44:48.000 --> 0:44:50.200 their research if they're making money through hip hop? 0:44:50.280 --> 0:44:51.200 That's my biggest thing. 0:44:51.360 --> 0:44:53.640 Okay, But this new generation is like I think you 0:44:53.719 --> 0:44:55.640 said it earlier, like like you said, the people. 0:44:55.480 --> 0:44:57.719 Need to know and that's what they need to want 0:44:57.800 --> 0:45:01.200 to know. That's the biggest problem too. But you gotta 0:45:01.239 --> 0:45:03.440 teach them to know, like you have to drop the 0:45:03.520 --> 0:45:05.680 science to these babies and say this is what it is, 0:45:05.800 --> 0:45:07.239 this is what it is. Now go look at go 0:45:07.440 --> 0:45:11.800 look for the rest. Like when I play sometimes depending 0:45:11.840 --> 0:45:21.239 on what country I'm in, Norrie, I listen all over 0:45:21.360 --> 0:45:23.960 the world exceeds, you know, like before COVID, I was 0:45:24.320 --> 0:45:26.640 I was going to one hundred and fifty countries a 0:45:26.760 --> 0:45:33.799 year before COVID for the past, you know, eighteen years 0:45:33.800 --> 0:45:37.279 before COVID. So for me, sometimes I'll be playing the 0:45:37.440 --> 0:45:40.319 old school ship all the way back to our time 0:45:41.000 --> 0:45:45.560 and I see in the front row kids like around seventeen, 0:45:45.680 --> 0:45:48.720 eighteen nineteen, and I when I went backstage, I grabbed 0:45:48.719 --> 0:45:51.400 two of the kids and I said, how do you 0:45:51.719 --> 0:45:54.759 know this stuff? They said, my mom, my dad, and 0:45:54.880 --> 0:45:57.799 my uncles. You know, my aunts taught them. So it's 0:45:57.840 --> 0:46:01.000 like what you're saying, Norri. You know, we as eld, 0:46:01.000 --> 0:46:04.239 the state's people have to inform the baby. So this 0:46:04.440 --> 0:46:08.399 is why I'm saying the breadcrumbs from the seventies to now, 0:46:08.600 --> 0:46:10.959 you have to put all of them down. You can't 0:46:11.040 --> 0:46:13.279 just say the Bronx say ship and then all of 0:46:13.320 --> 0:46:16.399 a sudden, the next two years, the Bronx says the ship, 0:46:16.480 --> 0:46:18.560 and it went putting this to that. So how the 0:46:18.600 --> 0:46:19.359 fuck did it happen? 0:46:20.000 --> 0:46:20.640 And who did it? 0:46:21.360 --> 0:46:23.839 Some people lost their lives, some people ain't here no more. 0:46:24.760 --> 0:46:27.719 That helped make this ship what this ship is. And 0:46:27.840 --> 0:46:30.000 this is why I find it really important. I think 0:46:30.040 --> 0:46:36.040 the DJ is extremely important because there was a time 0:46:36.400 --> 0:46:42.600 before the game change. Record companies like Death Jam and 0:46:42.719 --> 0:46:45.080 all the other labels shoots to bring me white labels 0:46:46.080 --> 0:46:48.359 one o'clock in the morning, knocking on my door saying 0:46:48.400 --> 0:46:51.080 this shit is fresh off the fucking prints. We need 0:46:51.160 --> 0:46:58.840 you to tell us what this record is. Twing we DJs. 0:46:59.120 --> 0:47:01.839 You was the influence, said before influence, it was aflu. 0:47:03.000 --> 0:47:09.160 And so all this constitutes the building blocks of why 0:47:09.280 --> 0:47:15.080 this thing is still here. Why don't we do this 0:47:15.640 --> 0:47:17.720 step by step by step by step by step. 0:47:17.760 --> 0:47:18.160 It's just. 0:47:21.000 --> 0:47:26.319 Just boggles my mind. Let's continue the mixtape. The mixtape. Okay, wait, 0:47:26.360 --> 0:47:26.759 wait wait. 0:47:26.920 --> 0:47:28.719 I love how you control on an interview, like. 0:47:37.760 --> 0:47:39.440 Not get it to the mix tape. I like that. 0:47:39.600 --> 0:47:42.759 I like that. I think that. I'm sorry, you know, 0:47:42.960 --> 0:47:44.440 I'm just really crazy comfortable here. 0:47:44.840 --> 0:47:46.800 What is the first term? First time you heard that 0:47:46.920 --> 0:47:50.800 term mixtape? And was it because it was mixes on 0:47:50.960 --> 0:47:55.040 the tape because I actually got an album on the 0:47:55.080 --> 0:48:01.439 tape cassette. There were two there were two versions of mixed. 0:48:01.480 --> 0:48:07.839 There were two DJs that would record this shows when 0:48:07.880 --> 0:48:15.799 we was playing back then, me and Bam Bam, and. 0:48:15.920 --> 0:48:19.160 That's what we called it because a DJ was mixing 0:48:19.400 --> 0:48:22.280 on tape. There's two types of tapes. 0:48:23.120 --> 0:48:25.080 The Bam always have beats is one point. 0:48:25.120 --> 0:48:27.440 He never had beats. I'm gonna talk about Bam in 0:48:27.480 --> 0:48:31.480 the mix mixtapes. Two types of mixtapes. 0:48:32.120 --> 0:48:34.399 There's the tape. There's the one. There's the one. 0:48:34.320 --> 0:48:37.239 You pop in while we're performing and the whole group is, 0:48:37.320 --> 0:48:39.160 you know, doing anything. The DJ is the rapper. That 0:48:39.360 --> 0:48:42.640 is the customized tape. Let's talk about the customized tape. 0:48:46.840 --> 0:48:51.160 I would get called to do customized tapes for the. 0:48:51.200 --> 0:48:59.920 Drug dealers, the street vendors, the. 0:49:00.080 --> 0:49:04.200 Street, the street. My client teller was the street farmaceutical 0:49:04.360 --> 0:49:07.720 people and they lived in the hall in the Halem 0:49:07.880 --> 0:49:11.080 and the Bronx, and this. 0:49:11.239 --> 0:49:13.600 Is what they would ask me. They said. 0:49:13.640 --> 0:49:16.200 I would say to them, just give me two souls 0:49:16.280 --> 0:49:17.960 that you like. That would give me an idea of 0:49:18.040 --> 0:49:21.880 what they like, and I would build around that. I said, so, well, 0:49:21.920 --> 0:49:23.960 how long do you want this cassette tape to be? 0:49:24.760 --> 0:49:28.120 If they said sixty, I say, here's my price, a 0:49:28.280 --> 0:49:32.960 dollar a minute, so and I would look at the 0:49:33.560 --> 0:49:36.040 distreet pharmaceutical person and say that's what it would course 0:49:36.080 --> 0:49:40.000 they said, so what they says, all I want you 0:49:40.040 --> 0:49:42.680 to do is this on your echo chamber. I just 0:49:42.760 --> 0:49:45.640 want you every few minutes to say my name, because 0:49:45.680 --> 0:49:50.240 you gotta realize, these street pharmaceutical people had the dopest 0:49:50.320 --> 0:49:55.200 cause the dopest motherfucking sound systems, and it was going through. 0:49:55.600 --> 0:49:59.520 So if their name was drink Champ stream tramp all 0:49:59.640 --> 0:50:03.680 through the through the city, show the other the other 0:50:03.760 --> 0:50:06.040 pharmaceutical people, You're like, yo, where the fuck you get 0:50:06.080 --> 0:50:06.839 that comfort of mind? 0:50:07.040 --> 0:50:09.959 They're wrong or we got that shit from Grand Master. 0:50:10.840 --> 0:50:13.040 And I would and I would say, all right, what 0:50:13.200 --> 0:50:16.719 you want sixty ninety one twenty Some would say ninety. 0:50:16.719 --> 0:50:17.520 I say ninety. 0:50:17.320 --> 0:50:20.040 Dollars one twenty one hundred and twenty. Some wanted a 0:50:20.120 --> 0:50:22.560 real to real and it'd be sixty minutes or one 0:50:22.640 --> 0:50:25.320 side and you reverse it and that you recorded, and 0:50:25.480 --> 0:50:30.360 that was two hundred dollars. So this is the common 0:50:30.560 --> 0:50:32.680 kind of money I was making. When I wasn't making 0:50:32.760 --> 0:50:34.800 money doing the parties. I actually made more money do 0:50:35.120 --> 0:50:37.759 doing the tapes than I was doing the parties. So 0:50:37.960 --> 0:50:41.040 now a mixtape, I think now, correct me if I'm wrong. 0:50:41.320 --> 0:50:44.759 It's like the pre album. It's like an artist that's 0:50:44.840 --> 0:50:46.840 not signed what mix tape even. 0:50:46.760 --> 0:50:50.040 Signed today today out of their label Big Safe today, 0:50:50.040 --> 0:50:50.840 but finished with you. 0:50:50.920 --> 0:50:52.440 Yeah, I'm not trying. I'm just trying to because I 0:50:52.440 --> 0:50:54.799 don't really know what it what it became. 0:50:54.560 --> 0:50:57.640 Today exactly, say today savent finish with you? 0:50:57.680 --> 0:50:58.040 What you think? 0:50:58.560 --> 0:51:03.160 I'm thinking it's artists that are so dope but they're 0:51:03.239 --> 0:51:06.200 not signs yet and they can make money without the label. 0:51:06.320 --> 0:51:07.200 This is what I'm thinking. 0:51:07.800 --> 0:51:09.960 But it's it's artists that are signed as well doing 0:51:10.040 --> 0:51:10.680 street albums. 0:51:10.760 --> 0:51:11.359 But is it both? 0:51:11.480 --> 0:51:13.959 Is he either or it's both? It's both, Yes, both both. 0:51:14.200 --> 0:51:17.040 It's both because even artists like Faustis has a mixtape 0:51:17.760 --> 0:51:20.200 and he sampled a bunch of beats, but he also 0:51:20.719 --> 0:51:24.000 actually paid for the samples, you know what I'm saying. 0:51:24.160 --> 0:51:26.800 So the fact is it's not an actual album, so 0:51:26.880 --> 0:51:28.640 it doesn't go on sound scan as an album, but 0:51:28.719 --> 0:51:30.759 it does, I guess because they still got to pay 0:51:30.800 --> 0:51:32.319 the producers, and ultimately. 0:51:32.080 --> 0:51:35.440 If you ask a newer generation what a mixtape is, 0:51:35.520 --> 0:51:37.759 they just think of an artist doing a street yes, 0:51:37.800 --> 0:51:38.840 street a street album. 0:51:39.239 --> 0:51:40.080 So it's not just so. 0:51:40.560 --> 0:51:42.640 It could be a street album that's signed to a label, 0:51:43.040 --> 0:51:45.120 or a street album that's not signed to a label, 0:51:45.560 --> 0:51:47.600 and it could be an incredibly dope artist that's not 0:51:47.719 --> 0:51:50.319 signed to a label. Right, And it's usually using beats 0:51:50.360 --> 0:51:52.600 that they're not paying for. Usually that's what it is. 0:51:52.719 --> 0:51:55.479 That's really, that's what really is what the mixtape became. 0:51:55.760 --> 0:51:58.960 They're taking instrumentals, they're taking whatever, and they're spitting over 0:51:59.080 --> 0:52:01.480 whatever they want and not clearing any of these beats. 0:52:01.600 --> 0:52:08.439 Okay, so okay, then I want to ask you, how 0:52:09.680 --> 0:52:15.120 does the mixtape today quantify the sales? How do you 0:52:15.880 --> 0:52:17.720 know what it sold? 0:52:17.880 --> 0:52:20.760 Or is it more like we called it an audio 0:52:20.960 --> 0:52:21.880 flyer or. 0:52:21.880 --> 0:52:23.440 The first audio DJ drama. 0:52:23.880 --> 0:52:27.400 That's how let changed after you got everything with Internet 0:52:28.080 --> 0:52:30.480 from the mixed ere I started doing mixtapes on cassettes, 0:52:30.800 --> 0:52:32.360 then on CDs. I didn't like as much, but I 0:52:32.480 --> 0:52:35.239 did it. But once everything went Internet, that to me 0:52:35.440 --> 0:52:39.200 changed what it meant. A mixtape meant the culture. Mixtapes 0:52:39.239 --> 0:52:40.160 to me ended. 0:52:40.680 --> 0:52:42.960 Because even even like let's say fifty he kind of 0:52:43.000 --> 0:52:44.920 like ushered in the artist mixtape, he. 0:52:45.040 --> 0:52:47.279 Was still putting them on CD dipset as well, and 0:52:47.600 --> 0:52:49.320 say so that's. 0:52:49.239 --> 0:52:52.800 That culture of physical Once that physical culture ended. 0:52:52.640 --> 0:52:55.359 I feel like kind of like the mixtape era ended 0:52:55.440 --> 0:52:58.239 in a sense, people still put stuff on streaming said this. 0:52:58.280 --> 0:53:00.560 Is my mixtape album all But I. 0:53:00.600 --> 0:53:03.200 Think at first when it got to the fifty dipset era, 0:53:03.600 --> 0:53:05.400 I think that that they were the first time that 0:53:05.600 --> 0:53:08.400 it wasn't hosted by DJ right, or that was hosted 0:53:08.440 --> 0:53:09.760 by DJ yeah. 0:53:10.239 --> 0:53:11.600 Most of the yeah, yeah exactly. 0:53:11.719 --> 0:53:14.160 Still a lot of those those mixtape albums incorporated the 0:53:14.280 --> 0:53:17.360 DJ putting it together and and and doing like you know, 0:53:17.480 --> 0:53:18.480 drops Ford and hosting it. 0:53:18.880 --> 0:53:21.760 Okay, got it, got it, got it? So okay, I understand. 0:53:21.840 --> 0:53:30.000 So executives got the record labels, man basically get some 0:53:30.120 --> 0:53:33.600 love to man. Yeah, all of them. There's some fund 0:53:33.640 --> 0:53:36.040 up people that there is there, there there is by me, 0:53:36.080 --> 0:53:38.399 I'm gonna go with a few that I know. Pretty cool, 0:53:38.520 --> 0:53:41.440 that's right, And I'm sure you share the fucked up 0:53:41.480 --> 0:53:44.560 when as I called him to you, Sylvia wrong, Electra 0:53:45.880 --> 0:53:56.280 the wrong. She drew as album as well, yeah, Russell 0:53:56.320 --> 0:53:57.760 Simmons and Leo Cohen Depth. 0:53:57.640 --> 0:54:01.400 Jam specifically up even though either my definitely. 0:54:01.120 --> 0:54:03.160 Have no more flash, right, you know what I'm talking 0:54:03.160 --> 0:54:08.040 about earlier Onstable here, Yeah, yeah, historical yes, Tom Silvanan 0:54:08.120 --> 0:54:12.000 and Monica Lynch, Tommy Boy Record Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:54:12.440 --> 0:54:14.759 don't know that one. Okay, Okay, Steve Stout r c 0:54:14.880 --> 0:54:22.480 A Records, I think what a J jay Z's first 0:54:22.760 --> 0:54:27.560 record label, Sleeping Bag Records. Will sockle Off Okay, yeah, wait, 0:54:27.600 --> 0:54:32.080 hell his name is so off SoC st Yeah, Steve 0:54:32.480 --> 0:54:37.280 uh will will sockle Off Right, leave that alone, Okay. 0:54:38.360 --> 0:54:40.120 Sylvia Robinson, Sugar. 0:54:39.880 --> 0:54:44.319 You Records, your Sugar Hell Records, you had a second ago, 0:54:52.200 --> 0:55:03.680 Steve Riston, Yeah, Aaron Fukes, Tough City Records, Fred Bounet, 0:55:04.120 --> 0:55:06.120 Select Records Back. 0:55:06.680 --> 0:55:08.480 So there's a few, but there's so many more. And 0:55:08.600 --> 0:55:12.640 to the people that's watching and listening, like, if I 0:55:12.760 --> 0:55:18.359 do not say your label, you know or what you've done, 0:55:18.920 --> 0:55:22.480 it would take me like five years to say all 0:55:22.520 --> 0:55:24.640 the names, so please excuse me. So in the interest 0:55:24.680 --> 0:55:27.880 of time, I had to put together a short list of. 0:55:27.960 --> 0:55:30.560 That because we could have easily added and easy with 0:55:30.680 --> 0:55:34.320 Ruthless Records, or yes with two life with absolutely Skywalker 0:55:34.400 --> 0:55:36.320 Records and a J Prince will. 0:55:36.200 --> 0:55:40.759 Wrap a lot records right exactly. So for me, this 0:55:40.960 --> 0:55:44.840 thing has like, you know, I haven't been on the 0:55:44.920 --> 0:55:47.520 train in fifty years, but if I were to get 0:55:47.560 --> 0:55:50.640 on the local, not to express the local, every stop 0:55:50.800 --> 0:55:53.479 is something, Every stop is something, Every stop is something. 0:55:53.560 --> 0:55:58.840 Every there's something to talk about until you get to 0:55:59.080 --> 0:56:02.600 hear that's it really really important. Man. 0:56:03.520 --> 0:56:05.879 Let me ask you flash. Aliens come down. 0:56:07.000 --> 0:56:10.360 They come down, Aliens from a different planet, a different planet. 0:56:11.560 --> 0:56:17.120 They hire as a motherfucker right. They high, They on 0:56:17.360 --> 0:56:21.360 alien shit, they on alien ship. They come to you, flash, 0:56:21.480 --> 0:56:28.040 they flash. We need one record to describe hip hop, 0:56:30.040 --> 0:56:34.200 one record to describe this fifty years of hip hop, 0:56:34.280 --> 0:56:36.040 this fifty one years of hip hop. They don't want 0:56:36.120 --> 0:56:42.160 one record? Nah no, this is his question, brother Dominicans, 0:56:42.280 --> 0:56:47.040 come a thing one record for alien. Never heard one 0:56:47.600 --> 0:56:53.800 never heard, he never fingerpoped nothing, He doesn't know nothing. 0:56:53.880 --> 0:56:56.280 He just an alien. One record. 0:56:57.040 --> 0:57:00.600 Nor can we go to no get too alien? Say 0:57:00.640 --> 0:57:03.000 you know what, go ahead, you want to you top three? 0:57:06.000 --> 0:57:08.759 It's just too to its two records. I think o 0:57:09.800 --> 0:57:17.840 that and this is that that that are the absolute top. 0:57:21.320 --> 0:57:26.000 If you were to say these records help start a movement, 0:57:26.200 --> 0:57:32.840 would be Coherks discovery of Apache and my discovery. I'll 0:57:32.880 --> 0:57:36.480 take me to the money grap by Bob James, one A, 0:57:36.720 --> 0:57:37.040 one B. 0:57:43.640 --> 0:57:45.920 And look for the Remember who we're talking to. Some 0:57:45.920 --> 0:57:48.520 people that don't even understand when you say discovery of 0:57:48.600 --> 0:57:56.400 that record what that meant. Okay, so record shopping digging, 0:57:56.560 --> 0:57:58.360 by the way, can I stop me for my second? 0:57:58.440 --> 0:57:59.840 Let me just tell you something, Just show me she 0:58:00.160 --> 0:58:04.240 have a DJ friend and y'all are on the road. 0:58:05.560 --> 0:58:07.920 If you ever want to do something cool for your DJ. 0:58:07.920 --> 0:58:09.760 Friend, find a record store. 0:58:13.440 --> 0:58:21.480 It's like leaving a gamber at a casino. 0:58:22.320 --> 0:58:23.040 I can take. 0:58:23.920 --> 0:58:27.200 Anywhere in the world, and I can leave him at 0:58:27.240 --> 0:58:29.960 a record store and a casino and I could go 0:58:30.080 --> 0:58:33.560 out for six hours. No one would never know what's mission. 0:58:34.360 --> 0:58:38.080 So if you ever know to any DJ, listen, any artist, 0:58:38.320 --> 0:58:41.680 anybody you've had a DJ friend, go overseas or go 0:58:41.840 --> 0:58:45.919 somewhere you can bring him to a to reconstr herm 0:58:45.960 --> 0:58:48.360 and her or her all they you know this ship 0:58:48.440 --> 0:58:49.280 is real out right now? 0:58:49.520 --> 0:58:50.160 You know what I'm saying. 0:58:50.720 --> 0:58:51.240 You know what I mean? 0:58:51.240 --> 0:58:53.400 If you don't want to fend nobody. Everybody can use 0:58:53.440 --> 0:58:54.760 every bathroom. 0:58:55.680 --> 0:58:58.880 But if you want him to a DJ friend, you 0:58:59.040 --> 0:59:03.680 bring him to a record store and they will enjoy 0:59:04.200 --> 0:59:06.200 the ship out of the store. By the way, these 0:59:06.280 --> 0:59:08.480 records don't have to speak at English. 0:59:09.000 --> 0:59:09.480 Don't matter. 0:59:09.720 --> 0:59:11.560 These records don't have to be hip hop. 0:59:11.680 --> 0:59:19.240 You prefer they could be harmor. But DJs are so 0:59:19.480 --> 0:59:21.640 crazy they can listen and be like, oh, I'm taking this. 0:59:23.080 --> 0:59:25.439 I'm just telling you DJ's and producers, that's a treat. 0:59:26.040 --> 0:59:28.160 I'm sorry. I gave you out a tea cold for. 0:59:31.040 --> 0:59:32.080 So record shopping. 0:59:32.400 --> 0:59:33.040 Record shopping. 0:59:34.760 --> 0:59:35.640 I'm in my teens. 0:59:37.640 --> 0:59:40.240 During the week I have to do my chores and 0:59:41.360 --> 0:59:46.080 do my homework. Uh, do school work. On the weekend, 0:59:46.960 --> 0:59:52.720 I'm getting up about eight o'clock in the morning, getting dressed, 0:59:53.200 --> 1:00:01.000 washing my ass. I am going record shopping. I'm going 1:00:01.120 --> 1:00:04.520 to which I think used to Will the godfather of 1:00:05.920 --> 1:00:10.880 eclectic records was Downstairs Records, Nick and Barry. Okay, in 1:00:10.920 --> 1:00:14.040 the village, and what street was at all thirty Street, 1:00:14.480 --> 1:00:21.720 it's been that was much later. So I would go 1:00:21.840 --> 1:00:25.200 down to Downstairs Records, and Nick and Barry would hey, Flash, 1:00:25.200 --> 1:00:28.280 how you doing I'll say, uh, I just want to 1:00:28.280 --> 1:00:33.240 go through some stuff because somehow or another, these two 1:00:33.360 --> 1:00:37.880 white boys knew how to go out and get records 1:00:38.960 --> 1:00:43.960 that would possibly work. That's crazy. So they're like curating 1:00:44.040 --> 1:00:51.120 before you guys. Yeah, so I'm in there. Actually, Nick 1:00:51.160 --> 1:00:55.200 and Barry would have two rooms. There's the public room 1:00:55.240 --> 1:00:59.520 that people come in from the street. Then there's the 1:00:59.680 --> 1:01:01.360 room in the pack VIP. 1:01:02.160 --> 1:01:04.480 You have VIP before VIP. I respect it. 1:01:05.680 --> 1:01:07.800 Go ahead. We in there all day in the turntable. 1:01:08.120 --> 1:01:10.760 I'm in there looking in the cup one. I'm holding 1:01:10.800 --> 1:01:14.040 the record up in the air because you could see 1:01:14.120 --> 1:01:17.080 the break on the record, and how you could see 1:01:17.120 --> 1:01:20.800 this the area of the composition has a bright spot, 1:01:20.960 --> 1:01:23.400 so that tells you that the most of the band 1:01:23.480 --> 1:01:27.760 members are not playing. The figures not playing in that area. 1:01:28.600 --> 1:01:33.840 I would find that pop record, put it on. All 1:01:33.880 --> 1:01:36.000 I needed was four bars. I'm buying two copies of that. 1:01:37.120 --> 1:01:39.120 That was the love there. But then you would go 1:01:39.200 --> 1:01:42.040 to the big stores where you have no cloud. 1:01:42.120 --> 1:01:45.000 Like there was a storm who was just thirty fourth 1:01:45.040 --> 1:01:45.840 Street and eighth. 1:01:45.680 --> 1:01:49.480 AVEU called disco mad and this motherfuckers this store must 1:01:49.520 --> 1:01:51.920 have been the size of a Walmart. So you just 1:01:52.160 --> 1:01:53.840 in there, just searching. And I would go to the 1:01:53.920 --> 1:01:55.960 pop session in the rock all of them, and I 1:01:56.000 --> 1:01:58.959 would look at the cover. That's what spoke to you first, 1:01:59.200 --> 1:02:02.400 That would speak to me first. And I remember this 1:02:02.520 --> 1:02:08.720 one particular one was I was in a rock session. 1:02:12.280 --> 1:02:16.880 The fucking album said toys in the attic. I'm like, 1:02:18.560 --> 1:02:22.800 who the fuck wants to put their toys in the attic? 1:02:24.320 --> 1:02:27.280 I held it up, put it down. I said, I'm 1:02:27.320 --> 1:02:29.520 gonna just think about that and just search for others. 1:02:29.560 --> 1:02:31.000 But that shit was talking to me. 1:02:33.600 --> 1:02:37.360 And Disco Matt no privileges. Once you break the street wrap, 1:02:37.480 --> 1:02:40.880 you buy it. If there's nothing on it, you fucking 1:02:40.920 --> 1:02:43.120 stuck with it. You gotta go to the cash register 1:02:43.240 --> 1:02:44.640 and pay for some I call it a. 1:02:44.720 --> 1:02:48.320 Stiff as a scram. Joe still call it. 1:02:49.200 --> 1:02:53.560 And I went over to the turntable and I played 1:02:53.640 --> 1:02:58.240 most of the records whack whack, whack, whack, whack whack. 1:03:01.960 --> 1:03:02.920 Then the band put the. 1:03:03.160 --> 1:03:07.440 Bam boom bampoo, put the drum break in a front 1:03:07.480 --> 1:03:08.120 of that ship. 1:03:08.240 --> 1:03:11.720 I'm like, oh my god. 1:03:14.160 --> 1:03:18.400 This group was new then, Columbia Records, didn't nobody know 1:03:18.520 --> 1:03:22.920 much of who it was, and they had this they 1:03:23.000 --> 1:03:31.640 had a really real weird name, arrow Smith, and the 1:03:31.800 --> 1:03:36.200 cut on it. I would have missed it because that 1:03:37.120 --> 1:03:41.320 end of the cut prior got the man, this this nasty, 1:03:41.440 --> 1:03:43.880 fucked up guitar piece. But I stuck with it and 1:03:44.320 --> 1:03:48.080 I let it play, and then it got quiet onto 1:03:48.160 --> 1:03:52.880 the next section. I was like, oh my god, I'm 1:03:52.920 --> 1:03:59.160 taking two of those. But there are times when I 1:03:59.200 --> 1:04:01.280 look at the album cup and the fucking shit was 1:04:02.520 --> 1:04:07.040 whack right, But I bought two of them. I gotta 1:04:07.080 --> 1:04:09.000 go to the cash register and buy them. And in 1:04:09.200 --> 1:04:14.040 my room mom's house these I had a stiff's crate. 1:04:15.280 --> 1:04:20.480 So this is the purpose of this crate. When you're playing. 1:04:21.240 --> 1:04:25.560 Sometimes DJ's mother camps, you know, because some weeks it's 1:04:25.600 --> 1:04:28.080 hurts and a crap. Most across come to see him. 1:04:28.120 --> 1:04:31.240 Sometimes it's flash, sometimes it's breakout. Sometimes you know whoever, 1:04:34.280 --> 1:04:38.800 they'll send spies. You won't know who they are, but 1:04:38.920 --> 1:04:41.760 they twenty feet away looking at the label. 1:04:42.200 --> 1:04:43.320 So this is what I did. 1:04:45.040 --> 1:04:46.840 I took the two copies of the Stiffs that I'm 1:04:46.880 --> 1:04:50.440 stuck with, and I soaked them in the bathtub, and 1:04:50.560 --> 1:04:53.520 I soaked the heat and the bathtub too, until the 1:04:53.720 --> 1:04:58.280 label came up. And then I switched them. So now 1:04:59.640 --> 1:05:05.400 follow so when that DJ would come there seeing what 1:05:05.640 --> 1:05:08.320 that ship was, and I got to tell you years later, 1:05:08.440 --> 1:05:11.600 we all at they said, flash, we cleaned our house, 1:05:12.520 --> 1:05:16.200 cook the food, let the fucking album play, and the 1:05:16.320 --> 1:05:19.560 break was never there. We had a way of keeping 1:05:19.600 --> 1:05:25.120 our secrets. But today, ah, you know, I I there 1:05:25.280 --> 1:05:27.440 no more secrets. I think it's important that the kids know. 1:05:27.600 --> 1:05:29.200 But we had to have a way. 1:05:29.280 --> 1:05:31.520 I used to mark the record with magic marcle or 1:05:31.920 --> 1:05:34.600 scrape the label out and call it. If the ship 1:05:34.720 --> 1:05:38.960 was called fucking Fiji, I'll call the shit can C 1:05:39.200 --> 1:05:41.480 A N. So now the motherfucker's going looking for a 1:05:41.520 --> 1:05:43.720 record called can. But we had to have secrets. We 1:05:43.800 --> 1:05:47.680 had to to keep our fans. And that's what record 1:05:47.720 --> 1:05:50.320 shop was to me. And I might record shop from 1:05:50.400 --> 1:05:52.720 nine in the morning till ten o'clock at night, and 1:05:52.880 --> 1:05:57.760 I may go to a record shop and find one 1:05:58.000 --> 1:06:00.680 and twenty one copy in the fucking store. I'm like, 1:06:02.200 --> 1:06:04.200 I'm like, yo, you can't get another way. He said, Man, 1:06:04.240 --> 1:06:05.920 this is a small label and this is all they 1:06:06.040 --> 1:06:12.080 had one copy. Now I'm calling stage in Brooklyn, Queen's Island. 1:06:12.560 --> 1:06:14.960 Do you have a fucking do you have this record? 1:06:15.080 --> 1:06:17.640 Because you had to have two? Wait, why did you 1:06:17.760 --> 1:06:19.640 have to have two? So he could bring it back, 1:06:19.760 --> 1:06:22.240 keep blooping it right to continue it. 1:06:22.640 --> 1:06:25.680 And this is their version of having an exclusive ry, 1:06:25.760 --> 1:06:28.000 saying they're hiding the record so the other DJ's camp 1:06:28.000 --> 1:06:31.480 couldn't see right and get that record exactly, so that. 1:06:31.560 --> 1:06:35.240 Drum beat to continue that drum beat, norway, I had 1:06:35.320 --> 1:06:40.080 to continue it. But I had that shit covered because 1:06:40.120 --> 1:06:42.600 I didn't know who was in the building, and I 1:06:42.720 --> 1:06:44.919 wanted my fans to stay with me, so I wanted 1:06:45.000 --> 1:06:49.520 all my heat to stay with me. Herk was always 1:06:49.600 --> 1:06:54.000 up high, bam Barda had goons, breakout was way up 1:06:54.040 --> 1:06:58.080 in the north, so everybody was just protecting their own shit. 1:06:58.240 --> 1:07:02.000 But record shopping, I can remember going for twelve thirteen 1:07:02.080 --> 1:07:04.800 hours and not finding it, getting up Sunday and going 1:07:04.880 --> 1:07:09.760 again and just trying to calling around, calling around, begging, pleading, 1:07:10.040 --> 1:07:12.480 I need one more copy of this record. Sometimes the 1:07:12.560 --> 1:07:14.800 copy would be printed and it might be a red 1:07:14.880 --> 1:07:18.640 label for the same album somebody reprinted it. It might 1:07:18.680 --> 1:07:20.200 be a white label, you know what I'm saying. And 1:07:20.320 --> 1:07:22.280 I got two odd labels. I didn't give a fuck. 1:07:22.320 --> 1:07:23.640 This iss log as I was able to keep that 1:07:23.760 --> 1:07:26.480 beak on and keep that crowd rocking. And these are 1:07:26.520 --> 1:07:29.440 the things that you know, I find very important to 1:07:29.520 --> 1:07:29.919 talk about. 1:07:30.480 --> 1:07:31.960 But let me ask you because what you're saying, and 1:07:32.040 --> 1:07:35.280 you're describing right there, is you're describing a DJ like 1:07:35.600 --> 1:07:36.520 being a producer. 1:07:36.640 --> 1:07:36.760 Right. 1:07:36.840 --> 1:07:39.760 That's actually kind this is kind of a producer. So 1:07:40.520 --> 1:07:42.000 it's kind of like to say, if you do it 1:07:42.240 --> 1:07:43.920 the way that you're describing. 1:07:43.680 --> 1:07:46.000 Which is the wrong way, louse. You don't play a 1:07:46.000 --> 1:07:48.520 turntable that way. I came up with the wrong way 1:07:49.120 --> 1:07:50.480 because your theory is the wrong way. 1:07:51.640 --> 1:07:53.720 That But what you're saying is basically, if you're a DJ, 1:07:53.880 --> 1:07:57.680 you're an automatic producer. But if you're a producer, doesn't 1:07:57.720 --> 1:07:58.960 automatically make you a DJ. 1:07:59.280 --> 1:08:02.720 Right, But I'll tell you this much, and we're gonna 1:08:02.880 --> 1:08:06.160 go We're gonna go back to the producers. If they 1:08:06.200 --> 1:08:10.840 were fifty producers on the first batch that went out 1:08:10.880 --> 1:08:14.960 in the eighties, forty eight of them with DJs that 1:08:15.200 --> 1:08:16.360 understood the law. 1:08:17.760 --> 1:08:18.840 Of a seamless loop. 1:08:20.520 --> 1:08:25.560 So from Dre to Pete Rock to Premiere to Battlecat 1:08:26.000 --> 1:08:29.400 you know, to Christ the Glove tailor, all of them 1:08:30.040 --> 1:08:31.080 they were DJs. 1:08:31.640 --> 1:08:33.040 So they knew how one. 1:08:33.320 --> 1:08:36.040 To make a seamless loop, which I'm going to show 1:08:36.040 --> 1:08:39.600 you what that is over there. Use it and the 1:08:39.720 --> 1:08:45.799 sampler inserted at New Kicks Snaars make that shit sound incredible. 1:08:45.840 --> 1:08:47.360 So the rapid could come in and say what you 1:08:47.400 --> 1:08:50.519 can say that, he'll go leave, and then it's the 1:08:50.600 --> 1:08:54.439 producer and that track and making that track as fat 1:08:54.479 --> 1:08:59.960 as possible. That's what the majority of the DJs are 1:09:00.400 --> 1:09:02.960 at that time coming to help. That made the only 1:09:03.000 --> 1:09:06.400 incredible records Q tip, all of them they were DJs, 1:09:07.040 --> 1:09:10.240 and that's why all them records to this day, like 1:09:10.560 --> 1:09:12.800 if you if you were in the club on you 1:09:12.920 --> 1:09:15.400 in the spot where you playing for a couple of hours, 1:09:16.320 --> 1:09:18.720 it is almost impossible to not have to go back 1:09:18.760 --> 1:09:22.800 there and grab one or two. It's almost impossible because 1:09:22.800 --> 1:09:28.280 that music never died. It's all still here pretty much. 1:09:28.560 --> 1:09:36.080 So I'm gonna go over here. Now. 1:09:36.120 --> 1:09:38.280 You said that's the first beat machine in hip hop? 1:09:38.840 --> 1:09:39.040 Yeah? 1:09:40.080 --> 1:09:41.040 Yeah, what is that? 1:09:41.640 --> 1:09:44.280 Yes? The big box? Okay, it's called the beat box 1:09:44.479 --> 1:09:44.960 B box. 1:09:45.200 --> 1:09:47.960 I always thought Dougie Fresh was the B box c B. 1:09:48.760 --> 1:09:50.840 Doug You're gonna talk right after. We're gonna talk later 1:09:50.960 --> 1:09:56.800 on today too okay, so nor Red, this was my 1:09:57.040 --> 1:10:00.720 secret weapon. Evy DJ back then had turntables. Right now, 1:10:00.800 --> 1:10:06.439 there was this guy uh Dame escapes me. He lived 1:10:06.479 --> 1:10:11.639 in a Jackson Projects and I would hear this machine 1:10:11.680 --> 1:10:16.120 being played out the window. I made it a point 1:10:16.160 --> 1:10:18.880 to keep going back there, keep going back there, till 1:10:18.960 --> 1:10:22.000 finally I met this guy and I asked. 1:10:21.880 --> 1:10:23.479 Him what was it that he was playing? 1:10:24.280 --> 1:10:27.599 He was playing this. He was a drummer, but when 1:10:27.680 --> 1:10:33.200 he were practice, he would practice with this. I said 1:10:33.200 --> 1:10:35.519 to myself, if I can learn how to play this, 1:10:35.800 --> 1:10:41.519 just basic, I could come off the turntables and jump 1:10:41.600 --> 1:10:47.120 on this. So ray Challa, I'll manage. At that time 1:10:47.200 --> 1:10:51.400 said we're gonna put that on the Flyer. Secret weapon, 1:10:52.240 --> 1:10:56.360 the beat box. The Furious came up with the saw. 1:10:56.560 --> 1:11:01.880 It was a party and his own me I was 1:11:01.960 --> 1:11:04.680 on this sand and people. 1:11:08.320 --> 1:11:09.840 So l. 1:11:11.920 --> 1:11:16.960 So this became a secret weapon. And this got us 1:11:17.040 --> 1:11:22.680 more more fans. Years when by later and they were 1:11:23.000 --> 1:11:26.360 these super people. I called them this Markey rest in Peace, 1:11:26.960 --> 1:11:32.400 Dougie Fresh that decided to replicate the sounds of a 1:11:32.479 --> 1:11:37.400 drum with their mouths, and they made huge records off 1:11:37.479 --> 1:11:40.840 of this. But this is this box that I found 1:11:40.960 --> 1:11:44.559 and I called it the beat box. Wow. 1:11:45.680 --> 1:11:47.600 So I'm gonna just mess around a little bit. 1:11:58.600 --> 1:12:19.200 Wow, so pretty much. And Meldon the Boys wrote a 1:12:19.280 --> 1:12:23.560 song on it. So now see knowing these are the 1:12:23.600 --> 1:12:26.320 kind of things that I'm talking about, and I appreciate you. First, 1:12:26.720 --> 1:12:29.559 you will eat Huh. That's the first you can say 1:12:29.600 --> 1:12:32.400 the person first drum, drum machine and hip hop period 1:12:33.120 --> 1:12:36.680 credecessor for yeah, the cast cast didn't even have a 1:12:36.760 --> 1:12:37.200 C yet. 1:12:37.240 --> 1:12:38.439 It wasn't even see you on cast. 1:12:38.520 --> 1:12:39.400 It wasn't around yet. 1:12:39.800 --> 1:12:42.879 You know, this is why I found it critically important 1:12:42.920 --> 1:12:45.320 to come here. And I appreciate the EFN and and 1:12:45.400 --> 1:12:49.360 and nor to allow me to expound, expound on this. 1:12:49.880 --> 1:12:52.080 Appreciate you because I'm dragging you guys in and out 1:12:52.120 --> 1:12:58.240 of the rabbit hole we started. Okay, so so. 1:13:02.439 --> 1:13:20.760 This song right here some of nineteen seventies, when it 1:13:20.920 --> 1:13:25.479 was me try to snap here. 1:13:31.760 --> 1:13:33.840 At the house Parkings in my mom's house or my 1:13:33.880 --> 1:13:38.360 bucker's house, the backside used to move more and his 1:13:38.600 --> 1:13:52.200 break still going, still going now, I thought back then, 1:13:52.240 --> 1:13:56.640 and I was twelve or thirteen, old records have the 1:13:56.800 --> 1:14:00.640 break like that, But when they didn't, that's when I 1:14:00.760 --> 1:14:04.320 became very angry and that's when I had to come 1:14:04.439 --> 1:14:07.160 up with this thing where I extended to break. So 1:14:07.479 --> 1:14:14.760 now all, let's I'm gonna move through a couple of 1:14:14.840 --> 1:14:17.320 things here. I'm gonna try to think within the five 1:14:17.360 --> 1:14:22.240 second law, but try to do that, okay. So the 1:14:22.360 --> 1:14:33.920 genius of the producers doctor Dre, like like they all 1:14:34.000 --> 1:14:37.519 love me, Dre loves me and he's as huge as 1:14:37.520 --> 1:14:41.360 he is, He's not afraid to say that I inspired 1:14:41.479 --> 1:14:43.320 him to do what he does. Absolutely, you know what 1:14:43.360 --> 1:14:43.920 I'm saying, So. 1:15:00.439 --> 1:15:00.720 Hold on. 1:15:04.040 --> 1:15:27.360 That was all the genius of the producer to put 1:15:27.439 --> 1:15:32.080 this in the computer and a sampler and the incredible 1:15:32.200 --> 1:15:33.920 rhymes of nas. 1:15:37.760 --> 1:15:38.760 Let's continue on. 1:15:40.280 --> 1:15:42.360 And some of these records were popped. Were rocking with 1:15:42.479 --> 1:15:44.640 Jason and Blues, were funking with disco, they were R 1:15:44.760 --> 1:15:44.960 n B. 1:15:45.439 --> 1:15:45.600 You know. 1:15:45.720 --> 1:15:47.599 So when people ask me know where to do a set, 1:15:48.520 --> 1:15:51.400 I played pop rock, They're like, what the no, what 1:15:51.560 --> 1:15:53.120 the fuck are you doing. I'm saying, I'm playing a 1:15:53.200 --> 1:15:55.080 hip hop set. I'm playing what I know. 1:15:56.080 --> 1:15:59.479 This song here has has the worst name in the 1:16:00.080 --> 1:16:06.280 even in the world. Uh Sweet green Fields, Shields and Cross. 1:16:08.040 --> 1:16:13.160 The producer that did Cliff one. The producer that took 1:16:13.200 --> 1:16:15.880 Cliff one, the producer. 1:16:15.520 --> 1:16:16.200 That followed me. 1:16:27.600 --> 1:16:39.000 Now that's the black part. 1:16:49.880 --> 1:16:53.280 So all the producer did is take to see this 1:16:53.520 --> 1:16:56.479 loop theory that falls under the quick mix theory and 1:16:56.600 --> 1:17:01.680 made big records. Why doesn't the press talk about this? 1:17:08.600 --> 1:17:11.680 But it was in front of me. I would keep 1:17:11.720 --> 1:17:19.160 it beat steady, those you can still do it. Let's 1:17:19.200 --> 1:17:30.800 gettue on. Oh, thank you, thank you. Let's shit. Let's 1:17:30.840 --> 1:17:57.559 go here. Uh m hm, Let's go a little further. 1:17:57.720 --> 1:17:59.120 Let's go a little fir Let's go a little first, 1:17:59.200 --> 1:18:04.120 Let's go a little check the Ryan. 1:18:06.120 --> 1:18:09.080 So much, so much. 1:18:11.760 --> 1:18:47.960 If Piggy was in front of me so much, it's crazy. 1:18:48.040 --> 1:18:51.200 He's showing you the where he started and how that 1:18:51.320 --> 1:19:01.840 translated in the production. This one's quite special. H This 1:19:01.960 --> 1:19:04.960 recon probably would have been double leg that was sold 1:19:05.000 --> 1:19:09.360 a copy until it's incredible. Rapper put his voice on 1:19:09.840 --> 1:19:17.799 this feat one of my favorite freaky mules. 1:19:19.720 --> 1:19:42.080 Y're going, it's like it's where. 1:19:46.040 --> 1:20:03.280 So that's wh just playing this produced this ship out. 1:20:03.320 --> 1:20:06.080 If it's not damn record right, mel hold my god up. 1:20:08.160 --> 1:20:15.760 Let's play some disco. Let's play some disco. Let's play 1:20:15.800 --> 1:20:22.040 some disco. Let's play from disco. Let's play some disco. 1:20:22.720 --> 1:20:23.639 Let's play some disco. 1:20:25.439 --> 1:20:28.439 But the motherfucking producers, he said to yourself, let me 1:20:29.520 --> 1:20:41.559 let me slow this down. And these are the things 1:20:41.560 --> 1:20:56.559 are Presice not talking about. Why not jazz heard Albert 1:21:00.640 --> 1:21:38.400 don't care about this racket? Nobody? Yes, crazy, I watched 1:21:38.439 --> 1:21:43.519 the press last last summer. I'm like, how on earth, 1:21:47.360 --> 1:21:50.439 how on earth could he let stuff like this goes by? 1:21:50.560 --> 1:21:53.200 I'm sure Bam got a story. I'm sure Breakout got 1:21:53.280 --> 1:21:54.799 a story. I'm sure her got a story. 1:21:55.200 --> 1:21:58.400 So now sure should I wait? 1:21:58.439 --> 1:21:59.200 For now? 1:21:59.240 --> 1:22:02.360 We canna keep talking. Okay, let's get geek. I'm gonna 1:22:02.360 --> 1:22:04.320 take your guys down a rabbit hole. Let's go, let's 1:22:04.360 --> 1:22:05.759 go over to the to the easel. 1:22:07.080 --> 1:22:08.240 Yeah, okay, so. 1:22:10.000 --> 1:22:10.320 Guys. 1:22:17.080 --> 1:22:24.040 This took much thinking because the way DJ's playing music 1:22:24.680 --> 1:22:32.720 the right way was heavy on the tone R. But 1:22:32.840 --> 1:22:38.120 in order for me to e to connect the short runway, 1:22:38.960 --> 1:22:42.680 I needed a quicker way to do this. This took 1:22:42.720 --> 1:22:45.880 me about two and a half years to put this 1:22:46.000 --> 1:22:50.240 formula together because I kept saying to myself, the non 1:22:50.640 --> 1:22:54.080 disco DJs I heav you on a tone are to 1:22:54.240 --> 1:22:57.880 disco DJs to heavy on the tone. Are I have 1:22:58.120 --> 1:23:01.719 to stay heavy on the tone ar And it turned 1:23:01.760 --> 1:23:07.320 out that I couldn't right. And here's my formula. It's 1:23:07.400 --> 1:23:10.679 called the quick mix theory. This is this is pretty 1:23:10.760 --> 1:23:14.960 much the math in me and this is how I did. 1:23:15.360 --> 1:23:16.680 How old are you coming up with this? How old 1:23:16.680 --> 1:23:21.920 are you now? About fifteen? Look at this. You got 1:23:22.280 --> 1:23:23.439 into perspective. 1:23:23.840 --> 1:23:25.120 About fifteen sixteen. 1:23:31.040 --> 1:23:41.160 And there are DJs that make incredible sounds with this. 1:23:44.120 --> 1:23:48.599 But I'm not talking about the sound. I'm talking about 1:23:48.640 --> 1:23:57.479 the mechanics, the reason why you do it. And here's 1:23:57.520 --> 1:23:58.200 the math. Guys. 1:24:01.040 --> 1:24:04.200 Four bars four. 1:24:04.080 --> 1:24:17.240 Way equals six counterclockwise revolutions equals full yeah, loop extraction. 1:24:20.120 --> 1:24:21.880 And I'm gonna do this on the turn tables in 1:24:21.880 --> 1:24:24.040 a little while, but I'm gonna show you to be 1:24:24.160 --> 1:24:30.960 deep in a rabbit hole right now. Guys, final one. 1:24:31.960 --> 1:24:54.640 Any watch outs I can see clockwise? Thank you. 1:24:58.920 --> 1:25:01.160 My drawing is fucked up. I'm not good like that 1:25:02.000 --> 1:25:12.920 DJ mixer. I'll this run table. 1:25:16.120 --> 1:25:29.160 This one is going counterclockwise counter and is this without 1:25:29.200 --> 1:25:31.439 you queuing it in headphones? Is this why you can? 1:25:31.760 --> 1:25:32.200 But I didn't. 1:25:32.200 --> 1:25:35.680 I didn't figure that out until later. You could, But 1:25:35.760 --> 1:25:48.439 you're absolutely correct counterclockwise, so four bars forwards, it's equal 1:25:51.800 --> 1:26:09.959 to six counter clockwise revs r evs. This way of DJing, 1:26:12.280 --> 1:26:13.559 the mechanics. 1:26:13.080 --> 1:26:17.280 Of this has not changed them fifty years. 1:26:17.800 --> 1:26:18.080 That's not. 1:26:22.640 --> 1:26:32.720 I said something on the internet many years ago. I'll 1:26:32.720 --> 1:26:39.800 put up ten grand for anybody that can do this 1:26:41.439 --> 1:26:46.040 without using my mechanics. Not the machine, not a computer. 1:26:46.680 --> 1:26:47.799 I'm talking about human. 1:26:47.680 --> 1:26:48.479 Beings like you and me. 1:26:50.720 --> 1:26:56.479 Let's see still waiting, Hey, do you want to do this? 1:26:56.640 --> 1:27:07.200 Man? So, God is wonderful. I've been able to Nori. 1:27:09.200 --> 1:27:12.000 I'm trying to figure out what's going when you Okay, 1:27:12.720 --> 1:27:19.000 If then I did this when I was sixteen, I'll 1:27:19.040 --> 1:27:24.160 be sixty seven in the week and a half. God 1:27:24.280 --> 1:27:25.400 is absolutely wonderful. 1:27:28.120 --> 1:27:32.840 Bring bring cheering for Scram Jones. Is bring Scram Johnson. 1:27:35.200 --> 1:27:36.599 Because I want to get into the music. 1:27:36.680 --> 1:27:39.120 But before we get into that, we're somewhere. 1:27:39.160 --> 1:27:42.680 You played overseas that you was just like wow, that 1:27:42.800 --> 1:27:45.639 you was shocked that you went to Brazil. 1:27:46.320 --> 1:27:52.680 Brazil, ninety thousand people she but there were a few 1:27:52.760 --> 1:27:55.400 that I played sixty thousand. On the average, I played 1:27:55.840 --> 1:27:59.760 twenty five thousand, fifteen thousand. Now light work, I don't. 1:28:00.560 --> 1:28:01.080 I don't do. 1:28:01.560 --> 1:28:07.880 I'm like, you put them over there by on that side, 1:28:07.920 --> 1:28:10.080 by bad, yeah, over there on that side, yeah yeah, 1:28:10.120 --> 1:28:10.960 by my bad. 1:28:11.160 --> 1:28:12.840 Oh, come on, you're supposed to be holding the chair, 1:28:12.880 --> 1:28:13.960 not Jamie Jesus. 1:28:14.720 --> 1:28:20.800 Yeah, riggers, ramming, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. I 1:28:20.880 --> 1:28:25.120 called us do super fingers. The fu's Graham Jones. 1:28:25.240 --> 1:28:26.760 You just want to shine out of here, bro. 1:28:35.640 --> 1:28:39.320 So you said Brazil is ninety thousand people. Get the 1:28:39.320 --> 1:28:41.560 ship out of me. What was really cool about it? 1:28:41.960 --> 1:28:42.320 It's like. 1:28:43.840 --> 1:28:45.720 The big E d M DJs. They do that ship 1:28:45.800 --> 1:28:50.000 in the regular So when I first okay, got into 1:28:50.200 --> 1:28:54.680 playing with them on the lineup, I remember my my 1:28:54.800 --> 1:28:56.760 agents said, I'm gonna put you on the lineup. That's 1:28:56.760 --> 1:28:58.439 a little different from what you used to do in 1:28:58.520 --> 1:29:01.040 the clubs, you know. And the whole ship, you know, 1:29:01.320 --> 1:29:04.479 it's this E d M DJ So I'm like, what 1:29:04.520 --> 1:29:09.360 does that mean? Electronic dance music. I'm cocky as a motherfucker, 1:29:09.560 --> 1:29:12.400 you know. I'm even the office, the whole ship. We 1:29:12.640 --> 1:29:15.160 drive to the to the to the thing for the 1:29:15.240 --> 1:29:16.840 sound check. This is the first time here at a 1:29:16.920 --> 1:29:20.960 d M. I'm looking at what I'm getting read of 1:29:21.000 --> 1:29:25.760 the plane in front of Nervous is a motherfucker. I'm like, 1:29:25.920 --> 1:29:30.680 I never did no ship like this outdoors, me and 1:29:30.760 --> 1:29:34.240 my little lonely turntables in this gigantic ass tape stage 1:29:34.280 --> 1:29:39.240 with nothing on it. I said to myself, I'm gonna 1:29:39.240 --> 1:29:41.880 have to do this a little. I'm not to go 1:29:42.040 --> 1:29:45.240 seriously hip hop with this ship. One thing about the 1:29:45.280 --> 1:29:47.760 E d M DJ is they grabbed. They acquired those 1:29:47.800 --> 1:29:52.519 audiences very easily, but they ain't asked the audience to 1:29:52.720 --> 1:29:53.439 do anything. 1:29:53.680 --> 1:30:00.599 I'm like, oh m hm, I I'm going. 1:30:00.760 --> 1:30:06.920 Into laptop e hip hop paray. I'm gonna flip this 1:30:07.080 --> 1:30:12.880 motherfucker upside down and yep, Apache take me to the 1:30:12.960 --> 1:30:13.599 Mardi Gras. 1:30:15.960 --> 1:30:17.280 Weren't that bitch. 1:30:18.880 --> 1:30:19.120 Down. 1:30:20.560 --> 1:30:22.720 From that point on, I said to myself, this is 1:30:22.840 --> 1:30:24.320 what I want to do on this level. 1:30:24.720 --> 1:30:28.439 I got to insert hip hop and every anti hip 1:30:28.479 --> 1:30:34.680 hop circuit possible so they know what we fucking DJs 1:30:35.280 --> 1:30:35.560 can do. 1:30:36.200 --> 1:30:36.959 To see. 1:30:38.840 --> 1:30:48.080 Ninety thousand people go like this, yes, stupid that energy 1:30:49.080 --> 1:30:51.479 Mine Woggley And then I talked to some of these 1:30:51.560 --> 1:30:53.600 idiom fans. It says. 1:30:55.479 --> 1:30:57.240 We come from nineties hip hop. 1:30:57.560 --> 1:30:57.760 Yep. 1:30:59.439 --> 1:31:03.639 I'm like, well, he says, yeah, we come from eighties 1:31:03.680 --> 1:31:06.560 and nineties hip hop. But we just got introduced to 1:31:06.680 --> 1:31:07.559 this is where we are. 1:31:07.680 --> 1:31:11.080 So when I'm playing these joints, motherfucker's just reacting. I'm like, 1:31:13.880 --> 1:31:15.840 let's go hard, let's go apatche, just go this and 1:31:15.920 --> 1:31:21.080 that that flip the whole room upside down. Wonderful, look, man, wonderful. 1:31:21.120 --> 1:31:23.320 Look what's going on with the scram Scoop? So good 1:31:23.320 --> 1:31:23.960 to see your baby. 1:31:24.640 --> 1:31:26.799 Because when scramplay DM, he takes ecstasy. 1:31:28.680 --> 1:31:32.719 I guess you got it. You don't have that experience. 1:31:32.760 --> 1:31:42.559 You don't, I'll just ask, you know. That's what talk about. 1:31:42.760 --> 1:31:45.680 I'm straight sober when I play because I got I'm 1:31:45.720 --> 1:31:49.439 seeing things go reverse fort reverse forward four six six 1:31:49.600 --> 1:31:53.559 four four six, the inversion. I gotta be really sober 1:31:53.640 --> 1:31:55.320 when I do it, you know. But you know, you know, 1:31:56.680 --> 1:31:58.800 out of all of this, I love the idea of 1:31:58.880 --> 1:32:02.639 watching my mechanics and watched people like Scram play. 1:32:04.800 --> 1:32:09.080 Not the name Flash right? Was you a comic book guy? 1:32:09.920 --> 1:32:09.960 No? 1:32:11.120 --> 1:32:13.040 I got Flash on Flash Gordon. 1:32:13.680 --> 1:32:13.720 No. 1:32:14.880 --> 1:32:18.639 I lived nine twenty seven Fox Street in the Bronx 1:32:18.720 --> 1:32:21.519 and then down the block. One of my best friends 1:32:21.640 --> 1:32:24.360 was named Gordon. Now what I did do is I 1:32:24.520 --> 1:32:28.960 ran fast. I ran fast, so Gordon named me Flash. 1:32:29.520 --> 1:32:35.160 And then three years later I moved my UH set 1:32:35.479 --> 1:32:37.360 and I got down with a gentleman by the name 1:32:37.360 --> 1:32:40.320 of Me and Jean, and it was it was on 1:32:40.439 --> 1:32:43.040 Boston Road where I started doing my parties at a 1:32:43.080 --> 1:32:44.160 place called the Black. 1:32:44.000 --> 1:32:45.280 Door, right, And. 1:32:46.880 --> 1:32:51.720 I want to say seventy two, seventy three, seventy four, 1:32:51.920 --> 1:32:53.840 I can't remember exactly. 1:32:55.320 --> 1:32:58.040 One of the most notorious gangsters. 1:33:00.760 --> 1:33:05.400 Like, when we did our parties, we knew our motherfuckers 1:33:05.479 --> 1:33:08.040 is gonna try to pluck it up, so we had security. 1:33:08.840 --> 1:33:11.200 Some people were allowed to carry the gun, some weren't. 1:33:12.240 --> 1:33:15.400 Joe Kid was allowed to carry the gun. We knew 1:33:15.880 --> 1:33:17.800 he wasn't gonna pop off for nobody. He was kind 1:33:17.800 --> 1:33:20.880 of just watching my back him in a castanovs, right. 1:33:21.240 --> 1:33:27.400 So yeah, they were security. They were my security, you know, 1:33:28.000 --> 1:33:31.760 along with the Boston Road Boston roll crew. And it 1:33:32.000 --> 1:33:36.080 was New Year's seven. I'm gonna say seventy three, let 1:33:36.160 --> 1:33:37.920 me say seventy four. Let me just say I'm bad 1:33:37.960 --> 1:33:41.760 with days. After the party was over, he says, you 1:33:42.000 --> 1:33:46.120 handle those turntables like a grand master. Oh, I'm like, 1:33:47.680 --> 1:33:52.679 what did you just say? He says, you handle these 1:33:52.840 --> 1:33:57.760 turntables like a grand master. The next day I went 1:33:57.800 --> 1:34:01.920 to every library possible trying to find out what that 1:34:02.160 --> 1:34:05.759 word meant. Karate, right, and then karate and the people 1:34:05.800 --> 1:34:11.200 that do the chest. Bruce Lee was big with us 1:34:11.280 --> 1:34:13.479 back in the day. If he was a DJing party 1:34:13.520 --> 1:34:15.720 and we was going to see Bruce Lee, Bruce Lee 1:34:15.840 --> 1:34:20.880 was big so and I can remember after Joe Kidd 1:34:21.280 --> 1:34:23.760 did that, I'm walking down the street because I was 1:34:23.840 --> 1:34:24.639 just DJ Flash. 1:34:24.960 --> 1:34:25.599 Now I'm going. 1:34:25.880 --> 1:34:28.400 Master, grand Master flash. 1:34:29.720 --> 1:34:32.479 Master, rand Master, rand Master Flash. 1:34:32.720 --> 1:34:34.559 And I got used to it, and did Rach Hanner 1:34:34.720 --> 1:34:37.920 put it on the flyers grand Master Flash and the 1:34:37.960 --> 1:34:40.280 beat box, you know, and then our crowd just got 1:34:40.320 --> 1:34:41.800 bigger and bigger and bigger, you know. 1:34:41.920 --> 1:34:46.280 And now you, you and Grandmaster Cast ever had anything 1:34:46.360 --> 1:34:47.960 because of the grand Master's. 1:34:48.240 --> 1:34:48.719 I mean. 1:34:50.400 --> 1:34:54.920 Grand Master Cast was called something else before that original 1:34:55.000 --> 1:35:04.320 grand Master. You know, I have, I mean me and it. 1:35:04.400 --> 1:35:09.040 We love each other, we ain't be for with each other, right, But. 1:35:09.520 --> 1:35:11.680 So how did you feel like because you had to 1:35:11.760 --> 1:35:14.479 use the first grand Master, then he was going about 1:35:14.479 --> 1:35:16.400 a different name and then he came up with grand Master. 1:35:17.400 --> 1:35:23.560 I mean, we we grew up together. I didn't. I 1:35:23.600 --> 1:35:25.920 didn't have no problem with it. You know, It's just 1:35:26.040 --> 1:35:29.519 that I learned quickly because I was an idiot when 1:35:29.520 --> 1:35:32.080 I signed to sugar Hill. When I got older, it's 1:35:32.120 --> 1:35:37.080 like anything you do copyrighted trademarket because what happened to 1:35:37.160 --> 1:35:42.479 me in the record business. So I you know, if 1:35:42.520 --> 1:35:45.599 you're going to use it, if you're gonna use grand Master, 1:35:45.720 --> 1:35:46.920 I'm gonna pop up first. 1:35:48.600 --> 1:35:53.400 So there are a few people that want to call himself. 1:35:53.160 --> 1:35:56.160 Grand Master, but they're saying Joseph Sadler is the owner 1:35:56.240 --> 1:35:57.040 of the title. 1:35:58.160 --> 1:35:59.160 Joseph Sadler's me. 1:35:59.640 --> 1:36:02.599 You know, you learned. You learn when you get burned, 1:36:02.960 --> 1:36:05.759 you learn. And it was a time when I was ignorant. 1:36:05.840 --> 1:36:09.200 I'm dumb, So you get smart after a while and 1:36:09.479 --> 1:36:10.840 you pick a shit out, you know what I mean? 1:36:11.600 --> 1:36:16.000 How competitive were were you guys, the different crews back then? 1:36:16.200 --> 1:36:18.360 You know something, we didn't really battle with each other 1:36:18.439 --> 1:36:21.479 too much. You know now that you know hindsight is this. 1:36:21.840 --> 1:36:28.280 We were like four corporations. Breakout had the North, Cork 1:36:28.360 --> 1:36:33.439 had the West, I had the East, Bam had Bronx River. 1:36:40.080 --> 1:36:43.120 Whenever I wasn't playing, I go see herk or I'd 1:36:43.160 --> 1:36:47.960 go see Bam, I go see Breakout. Me and Breakout 1:36:48.040 --> 1:36:51.120 never played together. I think that bad or HERK played together, 1:36:51.280 --> 1:36:54.639 but I never played with HERK. Me and band played together, 1:36:54.720 --> 1:36:57.240 but it wasn't. This thing didn't become a battle thing 1:36:57.800 --> 1:37:02.040 until the next tier came, because now people is battling 1:37:02.120 --> 1:37:06.840 for their existence. The fourth fors Hacken was already kings 1:37:06.880 --> 1:37:10.120 in our whole lives. We were established. So all the 1:37:10.240 --> 1:37:14.519 crews that became the understudies or became prodigies, now they're 1:37:14.560 --> 1:37:16.800 battling for this. And that's when a lot of people 1:37:16.880 --> 1:37:21.800 were going into different territories. But with the first four, 1:37:23.800 --> 1:37:27.000 the problem why we we didn't play with each other 1:37:27.080 --> 1:37:29.519 whole lot is because the gang violence was. 1:37:31.040 --> 1:37:31.360 Nuts. 1:37:32.560 --> 1:37:34.760 You go into a wrong area, you might not make 1:37:34.840 --> 1:37:39.160 it out of there. So and I'm talking about the 1:37:39.280 --> 1:37:43.759 black space of Black Pearls, Savage Skulls, seven, Immortal Freeze Donation, 1:37:43.800 --> 1:37:47.720 because that's what right now. Now we're gonna go into 1:37:47.800 --> 1:37:58.360 Bam so Bam shopping for records having the most beats 1:38:00.320 --> 1:38:06.160 Numero Uno Bam had more beats. If you played a 1:38:06.200 --> 1:38:09.639 patche he had four different versions. If you played the bells, 1:38:09.720 --> 1:38:14.320 he had six different versions. He had records like where 1:38:14.400 --> 1:38:18.400 did you get that from? Kind of records. You couldn't 1:38:18.520 --> 1:38:24.920 fuck with his collection. So let's not look past the 1:38:24.960 --> 1:38:26.360 situation that he's in right now. 1:38:26.840 --> 1:38:27.559 If I were to. 1:38:29.640 --> 1:38:32.559 Do a short blurb on Bam, King of the Beats, 1:38:33.040 --> 1:38:38.920 absolutely and he's doing that calmed down this gang violent shit. 1:38:39.760 --> 1:38:42.320 And I think, personally, in my opinion, if he didn't 1:38:42.479 --> 1:38:45.519 do that, they wouldn't have been too many block parties 1:38:45.800 --> 1:38:48.599 because their motherfuckers would have been up in there shooting, 1:38:49.240 --> 1:38:52.559 stabbing the whole shit. So a lot of them groups 1:38:54.160 --> 1:38:58.280 he turned them around, and then these groups became security 1:38:59.439 --> 1:39:01.200 for a lot of us, like a lot of the 1:39:01.280 --> 1:39:04.320 Black Spades and the Pearls became casting overs. They were 1:39:04.439 --> 1:39:07.400 my crew that rode with me on security, along with 1:39:07.479 --> 1:39:09.920 the Boss and road crew. So he that that day 1:39:09.960 --> 1:39:11.920 he did he did a big thing there. You know 1:39:11.960 --> 1:39:15.680 what I'm saying, Uh, I miss him, but you know 1:39:15.920 --> 1:39:17.560 he's sitting on the situation that he's in. 1:39:18.880 --> 1:39:19.680 He was big on that. 1:39:19.960 --> 1:39:24.800 Uh HERK if I do a short blurb on him. 1:39:26.400 --> 1:39:30.280 He had a sound system that we all wanted. He 1:39:30.320 --> 1:39:33.599 could play some of these old old house party records 1:39:33.680 --> 1:39:39.680 on his sound system, and that ship was absolutely amazing. 1:39:39.840 --> 1:39:40.600 His ship was. 1:39:42.800 --> 1:39:50.519 In incredible sounding. His record collection was also pretty decent. 1:39:53.520 --> 1:39:56.800 The technical aspect, me and him, we go back with that, 1:39:56.920 --> 1:39:59.120 back and forth with that. I say me, he say him, 1:39:59.400 --> 1:40:02.680 wait it again for part, the technical part or who 1:40:02.760 --> 1:40:05.400 did one on the ones and the whole ship and 1:40:05.520 --> 1:40:08.040 how it works out? You know, his thing it's called 1:40:08.040 --> 1:40:11.160 America around minus is called the quick Mixedterey, you know. 1:40:11.280 --> 1:40:13.280 And I love the ground he walks on. You know. 1:40:13.360 --> 1:40:15.639 When he got sick, I was one of the first 1:40:16.120 --> 1:40:19.200 first people looking for him, and I went to Yankee Stadium, 1:40:20.040 --> 1:40:22.960 not to only see the acts, but just strictly to 1:40:23.120 --> 1:40:26.160 go see him in his dressing room and see how 1:40:26.240 --> 1:40:26.519 he's doing. 1:40:26.560 --> 1:40:28.680 I'm saying, what's up, old man? 1:40:28.720 --> 1:40:30.599 He said, Yo, I'm cool, old man, I says, Man, 1:40:31.200 --> 1:40:35.000 lots of wars, lots of we went through, you know. 1:40:35.840 --> 1:40:37.800 He looks at me. I look at him. 1:40:39.080 --> 1:40:40.680 I said, I ain't fight no fucking more. He said, 1:40:40.680 --> 1:40:42.280 I ain't fight no more either. Man. We're too old 1:40:42.320 --> 1:40:42.760 for that shit. 1:40:42.800 --> 1:40:43.360 You know what I'm saying. 1:40:43.760 --> 1:40:46.880 But now it's a time. Yeah, yeah, Cause me and 1:40:46.960 --> 1:40:50.160 Heck we hurt. We battle about who did what and 1:40:50.320 --> 1:40:51.080 what did who? 1:40:51.479 --> 1:40:51.639 Right? 1:40:51.880 --> 1:40:52.640 You know so me. 1:40:55.360 --> 1:40:58.479 I think these years now this year especially Nori is 1:40:58.520 --> 1:41:02.519 show and tell no more quiet, holding it, marking it, 1:41:02.640 --> 1:41:06.160 you know, and hiding what it is. It's time for 1:41:06.800 --> 1:41:10.040 Hirk's crew to talk. It's time for a Breakour's crew 1:41:10.640 --> 1:41:12.920 to talk. It's time for band like it should be. 1:41:13.439 --> 1:41:17.680 And quite frankly, I would love it if all of 1:41:17.840 --> 1:41:22.080 us can sit down at one table. This will be 1:41:23.080 --> 1:41:30.000 the biggest This would be the biggest story and hip 1:41:30.040 --> 1:41:33.879 hop ever, just sit down, have it and tell stories. 1:41:34.320 --> 1:41:36.120 How was it at your mom and dad's house and 1:41:36.200 --> 1:41:38.639 how was it and what got you into it? I'm 1:41:38.680 --> 1:41:40.840 telling you my portion of it, but it's three more 1:41:42.040 --> 1:41:46.120 and that adds on to how this thing progressed. 1:41:46.400 --> 1:41:49.000 All right, So it's four y'all to get together. And 1:41:49.040 --> 1:41:50.800 then y'all say we want to add one MC. 1:41:55.120 --> 1:42:00.720 Why you gotta fuck with me regard actually give you 1:42:02.160 --> 1:42:05.280 if I want to have one MC, one wrapper one 1:42:06.160 --> 1:42:06.400 in this. 1:42:09.680 --> 1:42:13.200 Y'all falling one rapper at Eddy ever in time, any 1:42:13.280 --> 1:42:17.400 area in time. I'm getting the about it any aer 1:42:17.520 --> 1:42:20.439 in time, won man, It's on you, everyone say flash 1:42:20.680 --> 1:42:21.560 just you will to pick the m C. 1:42:23.439 --> 1:42:30.960 Every MC want to be there too, Okay, m HM 1:42:34.520 --> 1:42:39.840 one one. I'm not Yeah, that was warned about your father. 1:42:43.200 --> 1:42:45.960 Want to he said, are you gonna ask. 1:42:47.320 --> 1:42:49.280 Getting questions? One? 1:42:49.760 --> 1:42:52.320 I want see join y'all at dinner and talk some ship. 1:42:54.680 --> 1:43:01.280 It's up to you not to one one Yeah, yeah, yeah, 1:43:01.320 --> 1:43:01.840 I get you too. 1:43:01.920 --> 1:43:10.799 Before if you were still here, I would say cowboy 1:43:11.520 --> 1:43:13.599 que cowboy yeah makes a noise, fag. 1:43:16.240 --> 1:43:18.800 Don't forget the fourth the blurb for the fourth. But 1:43:19.640 --> 1:43:21.599 you said body he said, hrk yourself. 1:43:22.040 --> 1:43:23.799 Yeah, and breakout? 1:43:24.439 --> 1:43:25.760 Did you say the blurb for him? What you would 1:43:25.800 --> 1:43:27.080 say about him? All? 1:43:27.560 --> 1:43:30.599 Breakout because he's like, out of everyone that you name, 1:43:30.640 --> 1:43:31.040 he's like the. 1:43:31.200 --> 1:43:32.400 Least known of right. 1:43:32.520 --> 1:43:33.719 That's that's why I wanted. 1:43:35.439 --> 1:43:42.080 Breakout first DJ to have a female MC shot Rock 1:43:43.280 --> 1:43:48.920 up the shot Rock Shot Rock, you know, Like now, I. 1:43:50.520 --> 1:43:52.120 I felt so sorry for us because this is the 1:43:52.200 --> 1:43:53.920 male dominated that. 1:43:54.000 --> 1:44:07.360 Was grew up on my back down right now, absolutely connected, 1:44:08.080 --> 1:44:12.360 I'm going back get it. She was only the MC 1:44:12.600 --> 1:44:15.040 that and she had to contend with all of us. 1:44:16.200 --> 1:44:20.080 You know, So DJ Breakout in the four plus one, 1:44:20.280 --> 1:44:24.439 so break your Shot Rock has shot Rock sound system. 1:44:26.920 --> 1:44:29.400 It wasn't pretty like herks, but that ship was loud 1:44:29.520 --> 1:44:34.840 like hurks and if I could speak scientifically, his base 1:44:34.960 --> 1:44:43.600 bottoms will reverse. The wolf was put in reverse and 1:44:43.760 --> 1:44:46.360 he threw the hole in the back. They re poored 1:44:46.400 --> 1:44:52.320 it and he had him angled. They were garbage cans, 1:44:52.439 --> 1:44:56.720 the big garbage cag with the base bottoms. So when 1:44:56.760 --> 1:45:01.200 he played the big beat boo like the bass was 1:45:01.520 --> 1:45:05.799 like gum. It was incredible. He had an amazing sound system. 1:45:05.960 --> 1:45:10.519 Was called the Mighty Sasquatch was called the Hercules Mines, 1:45:10.680 --> 1:45:14.519 was called the Gladiator. But my ship was kind of whack. 1:45:15.400 --> 1:45:17.360 Bands was just I don't know what bands was called. 1:45:17.360 --> 1:45:18.760 I don't think BAM had a name, you know, but 1:45:19.520 --> 1:45:24.280 these are the things that I love talking about. 1:45:25.920 --> 1:45:28.479 We love hearing it now, White lines how much cocaine 1:45:28.560 --> 1:45:29.519 was in that studio session. 1:45:37.160 --> 1:45:39.640 This guy, let me be totally honest with you. 1:45:39.760 --> 1:45:41.559 By that time, by the way, we was looking at 1:45:41.600 --> 1:45:42.960 the lyrics coming here. 1:45:47.800 --> 1:46:01.800 I don't write lyrics, okay, So like we were probably 1:46:01.840 --> 1:46:05.320 the tightest unit in the streets, mean and five, you know, 1:46:05.400 --> 1:46:08.360 we just go being easy, Mike. Then when we got 1:46:08.360 --> 1:46:12.120 into the record situation and I realized that we weren't 1:46:12.160 --> 1:46:16.000 weren't in a great situation. I was the first one 1:46:16.040 --> 1:46:21.200 that wanted to leave. Uh, but it didn't happen that way. 1:46:21.600 --> 1:46:24.360 So from the six of us, three went with me 1:46:24.479 --> 1:46:29.840 to Electra and three pretty much stayed back. That record 1:46:30.160 --> 1:46:35.280 was on its way to being made. We left by then, 1:46:37.280 --> 1:46:42.040 so Mel and the rest of them made that record. 1:46:42.320 --> 1:46:44.320 So that's actually million Maail's record. 1:46:44.880 --> 1:46:46.320 Wow, I'm not gonna lie. 1:46:46.320 --> 1:46:48.000 Whenever I met a like a like a like a 1:46:48.080 --> 1:46:51.120 white industry party and that record, come on, you know, I. 1:46:51.160 --> 1:46:55.160 Know the white people, but I know it's a great 1:46:55.520 --> 1:46:57.600 Millie is a great rid. But by that time we 1:46:57.680 --> 1:47:01.519 had split, you know, and yeah, that was his record. 1:47:01.560 --> 1:47:02.880 You found out sample of the Cavern. 1:47:03.200 --> 1:47:07.719 Of course I did right your record because people credit 1:47:07.800 --> 1:47:10.880 that to the some say reality rap. Right, so people 1:47:10.920 --> 1:47:14.760 say that's the first song that details reality rap. 1:47:14.840 --> 1:47:15.719 And then some people. 1:47:15.560 --> 1:47:23.200 Outright say that that is the first message because white 1:47:23.479 --> 1:47:27.519 message was first. Yeah, but that's broken glass. Everybo thea 1:47:27.520 --> 1:47:30.479 talking about getting coked. That's a message I ain't gonna 1:47:30.520 --> 1:47:40.519 live man, white. And we thought they were subtle until 1:47:40.560 --> 1:47:43.040 this morning we listened to the white White. 1:47:44.479 --> 1:47:47.519 Dig I'm like, Diego, you know, it's record better than me. 1:47:47.600 --> 1:47:49.320 But I come to find out Diego's. 1:47:49.000 --> 1:47:52.960 He's he's reading the words and I'm like, damn, these 1:47:53.000 --> 1:47:54.479 words are pretty foul. 1:47:55.080 --> 1:47:59.479 Like a great writer, tell me split by till me split, 1:47:59.600 --> 1:48:04.400 and uh they continued on, and we continued on with 1:48:04.560 --> 1:48:06.040 an electro pretty much. 1:48:06.400 --> 1:48:12.080 Sylvia Rome wasn't there yet all Sylvia Rome was there. 1:48:14.160 --> 1:48:14.400 She's not. 1:48:14.720 --> 1:48:16.080 She wasn't in a powerful position. 1:48:16.160 --> 1:48:19.880 And she said now and she deserves every bit of 1:48:19.960 --> 1:48:23.320 what she did because she was always the first one 1:48:23.360 --> 1:48:27.000 to say, let's work it out. 1:48:28.400 --> 1:48:31.200 She didn't she she didn't really Sylvia. 1:48:31.240 --> 1:48:35.559 It wasn't really business business talking was more like friendship, 1:48:36.360 --> 1:48:38.000 like what does you what you want to do? 1:48:38.439 --> 1:48:41.640 How can we make it work? Could we tweak it 1:48:41.680 --> 1:48:42.240 a little bit? 1:48:42.560 --> 1:48:45.640 You know? She had like a heart. That's how I 1:48:45.720 --> 1:48:49.360 remember m Sylvia Sylvia Rome. 1:48:49.840 --> 1:48:52.479 And how about the masters? Did you guys go back 1:48:52.520 --> 1:48:53.240 and get your masters? 1:48:53.280 --> 1:48:53.719 Like everyone? 1:48:54.439 --> 1:48:54.479 No? 1:48:55.280 --> 1:48:57.880 Whoa so yeah? 1:48:57.880 --> 1:49:04.800 I said no. That got a little messy with the 1:49:04.880 --> 1:49:10.639 record label and the group. Yeah, you know, because after 1:49:10.680 --> 1:49:12.800 a while we we broke up. We all went out 1:49:12.800 --> 1:49:14.760 in separate ways. I went on and did what I 1:49:14.800 --> 1:49:17.519 had to do, but then we got back together to 1:49:17.560 --> 1:49:19.160 figure out how we could. 1:49:20.120 --> 1:49:20.800 Make this happen. 1:49:21.000 --> 1:49:25.559 Because New World now, shit could be played on things 1:49:25.640 --> 1:49:29.840 like Spotify and all this. It's a new all these 1:49:29.960 --> 1:49:31.840 new lanes and the whole ship. So we had to 1:49:31.880 --> 1:49:34.360 get together and figure out how we could. So we 1:49:34.439 --> 1:49:37.479 got a company who handles that right now, so we 1:49:37.560 --> 1:49:40.160 get royalties coming in, you know, I get a couple 1:49:40.160 --> 1:49:43.600 of checks now finally, So it's it's not bad. I 1:49:43.720 --> 1:49:49.200 do think if I had understood the business back then, 1:49:49.600 --> 1:49:52.680 things would have been financially much better now. 1:49:52.960 --> 1:49:53.840 But you live and you learn. 1:49:53.960 --> 1:49:56.120 You know, there's some things, you know a lot of things. 1:49:56.160 --> 1:49:58.960 I'm perfect at that type ship contract with illegal and 1:49:59.000 --> 1:50:01.200 this and that that that didn't have a clue about that. 1:50:01.680 --> 1:50:06.080 But now our ship plays, we get paid. 1:50:06.840 --> 1:50:09.240 And Rick James was the first person to tell you 1:50:09.280 --> 1:50:12.240 because this like roomors like even a prince like not 1:50:12.360 --> 1:50:17.479 wanting to deal with artists who didn't own their masters that, yeah. 1:50:17.439 --> 1:50:18.960 He didn't want to deal with artists like not not 1:50:19.080 --> 1:50:21.360 not to with it, like he didn't want to nas. 1:50:21.360 --> 1:50:23.120 It's the famous story like we act nas like what 1:50:23.280 --> 1:50:25.439 is the person that turned you down? And now I said, 1:50:26.000 --> 1:50:28.120 one time he asked Prince to get on the record, 1:50:28.160 --> 1:50:29.960 and Prince just asked him, do you own your master's 1:50:30.240 --> 1:50:32.320 and then Nas was like no, and he was just like, yeah, 1:50:32.360 --> 1:50:33.200 well get back to me. 1:50:33.240 --> 1:50:35.760 When you own you probably you probably he knew what 1:50:35.840 --> 1:50:38.559 the game was like. And this is back then Prince 1:50:38.640 --> 1:50:40.080 ben dead like ye, Like. 1:50:41.600 --> 1:50:43.080 He said something like I don't want to put the 1:50:43.360 --> 1:50:45.240 like the executives of the I don't want to put 1:50:45.240 --> 1:50:46.200 their kids through college. 1:50:46.280 --> 1:50:50.519 I'll put yours. That's hard, that's hard, that's hard, you 1:50:50.560 --> 1:50:51.040 know what I mean. 1:50:52.600 --> 1:50:54.719 I think of how young Prince was and think. 1:50:54.600 --> 1:50:57.080 About how much he must have like NOAs my brother, 1:50:57.160 --> 1:50:59.120 think how much he must have fucked Nas up. But 1:50:59.439 --> 1:51:02.680 you know, you know, you don't expect that, like you 1:51:02.760 --> 1:51:04.360 can't do a record with me? Yeah, do you own 1:51:04.400 --> 1:51:06.280 your own master's you know what I mean? Like that 1:51:06.400 --> 1:51:08.840 feels it's probably like the smartest answer you could probably 1:51:09.120 --> 1:51:11.360 you know, answer with So. 1:51:11.680 --> 1:51:13.200 WHOA I didn't know about I didn't know that about 1:51:13.200 --> 1:51:15.160 prin don't know that about Rick James. 1:51:15.000 --> 1:51:17.080 Because like Rick telling you, like yo, you're schooling you 1:51:17.160 --> 1:51:20.200 about publishing? Was that like like that type of insensative 1:51:20.840 --> 1:51:25.320 I knew I was in trouble after I talked to Rick. 1:51:25.680 --> 1:51:29.280 Business wise, I knew cocaine and all that. Rick still 1:51:29.320 --> 1:51:30.040 knew his ship. 1:51:31.800 --> 1:51:36.559 I knew we was in deep ship. We know, uh 1:51:37.360 --> 1:51:41.160 learning the business because we learned the business too late. Wow, 1:51:41.400 --> 1:51:46.960 we was really young. So but I'll say this again, 1:51:48.800 --> 1:51:52.760 with the work that I put into this, that's why 1:51:52.800 --> 1:51:56.640 I say birthday, I don't give a fuck about it 1:51:58.080 --> 1:52:00.439 my death day. What am I going to be behind 1:52:00.840 --> 1:52:02.400 for you younger people? 1:52:03.840 --> 1:52:10.280 Yeah, because man, I'm gonna just tell you man like 1:52:10.880 --> 1:52:13.799 you are, like, I'm gonna I'm gonna read a message 1:52:14.080 --> 1:52:15.439 and I'm gonna y'all tell. 1:52:15.360 --> 1:52:17.120 Me and I want to talk about some people. 1:52:17.200 --> 1:52:19.200 Many you gotta return whatever you you said something up 1:52:19.200 --> 1:52:21.000 over there too. Yeah, get me to do some Get 1:52:21.040 --> 1:52:22.160 me do the analog version. 1:52:22.360 --> 1:52:25.280 This is someone who says Grandmaster Flash to not hear 1:52:25.320 --> 1:52:28.120 his name mentioned in the Crazy Legs with disrespect. F 1:52:28.200 --> 1:52:31.080 y I Kirk cannot dj as we do today, he 1:52:31.200 --> 1:52:35.880 cannot blend records. Flash invented turntable lism as we know 1:52:36.000 --> 1:52:40.320 it today. There's no debating this. Flash invented the slip matt, 1:52:42.800 --> 1:52:46.000 which required a slip matt and the art of juggling 1:52:46.120 --> 1:52:49.920 a record to seamlessly extend a break, which allowed a 1:52:50.040 --> 1:52:50.800 rapper to wrap. 1:52:51.040 --> 1:52:51.720 Cowboy was the. 1:52:51.760 --> 1:52:54.400 First one to do it Kirk and Bambarda did it 1:52:54.560 --> 1:52:55.360 like Jamaican's. 1:52:55.479 --> 1:52:57.160 I don't know if that was I don't know if 1:52:57.200 --> 1:52:57.920 that was like a shot. 1:53:04.040 --> 1:53:11.519 Yeah, hold on, I was born in the Bronx and 1:53:12.160 --> 1:53:14.759 did it like Jamaicans did. They just chucked the records 1:53:14.800 --> 1:53:19.360 and breaks on without blended. Herk refused to learn how 1:53:19.439 --> 1:53:24.639 to juggle flash style and has invented flash to advised 1:53:24.720 --> 1:53:27.679 Flash to this day, Flash can tell you the story himself. 1:53:27.920 --> 1:53:30.840 You need to interview him. He's the godfather of hip hop. 1:53:31.200 --> 1:53:35.320 Herk was the godfather of hip hop party. Bambada had 1:53:35.520 --> 1:53:42.360 the streets, big Big, I got you, I. 1:53:42.360 --> 1:53:50.240 Got I got said, I don't know what they took 1:53:50.240 --> 1:53:50.519 a shot? 1:53:52.000 --> 1:53:52.479 Yea, what did you? 1:53:52.520 --> 1:53:53.320 What do you think about? 1:53:53.320 --> 1:53:53.519 The hell? 1:53:53.600 --> 1:53:53.640 On? 1:53:54.080 --> 1:53:54.200 Who? 1:53:55.320 --> 1:53:55.479 Well? 1:53:55.560 --> 1:54:00.600 Just let many. 1:54:00.360 --> 1:54:04.679 Okay, y okay, okay, lady. The enemy, that's the enemy. 1:54:05.720 --> 1:54:09.960 It come to the turntable wants to cut me off. 1:54:11.640 --> 1:54:16.680 So when you first bought the turntable, it comes with this. 1:54:17.560 --> 1:54:20.160 And I'm gonna tell you, ladies and gentlemen, okay, Mike 1:54:20.240 --> 1:54:20.599 move man. 1:54:21.680 --> 1:54:25.400 I do not to this day, fifty two years later, 1:54:26.080 --> 1:54:31.000 I don't understand what the purpose of this survey, because, 1:54:32.560 --> 1:54:35.840 like I told you earlier in the interview. The disco 1:54:35.960 --> 1:54:39.240 DJ had a long runway I roll with it was 1:54:39.360 --> 1:54:44.800 really short. So when I moved the microphone closer to him, guys, 1:54:45.520 --> 1:54:53.320 So when I put the record, I'm saying to myself, 1:54:53.400 --> 1:54:57.080 I gotta get to the beat quicker and connect the 1:54:57.440 --> 1:55:03.960 duplicate records quicker to make the seamless loop when I 1:55:04.240 --> 1:55:09.000 put the needle down, because this is the right way, 1:55:10.640 --> 1:55:13.240 which is being sarcastic. That's when he says the way, Yeah, 1:55:13.320 --> 1:55:15.400 this is the right way to DJ, because that's the 1:55:15.440 --> 1:55:18.840 way we're doing it. That's the way they DJ. But 1:55:19.040 --> 1:55:23.360 when I started figuring out when I look at when 1:55:23.360 --> 1:55:26.880 I looked at the record, I knew to myself, Flash, 1:55:27.800 --> 1:55:30.840 it is fucking impossible. Because you look at the record 1:55:31.080 --> 1:55:33.760 this she got ten million grooves. How can I pick 1:55:33.880 --> 1:55:36.840 the arm up and hit that spot every time and 1:55:37.040 --> 1:55:41.200 keep it seamless and smooth. It's impossible. And that's when 1:55:41.200 --> 1:55:45.320 I started thinking to myself, I have to learn how 1:55:45.400 --> 1:55:50.880 to play the turntable the wrong way. I have to 1:55:51.040 --> 1:55:54.680 go outside of what the norm was according to the 1:55:54.880 --> 1:55:59.200 disco DJs and the non disco DJs that were heavy 1:56:00.080 --> 1:56:05.520 on their tone arm and my first move was to 1:56:05.760 --> 1:56:07.920 study the components. 1:56:11.240 --> 1:56:11.879 The cartridge. 1:56:13.160 --> 1:56:22.800 Contriin comes in two classifications, ceramic and magnetic. The ceramic 1:56:22.880 --> 1:56:25.960 culture came out in the sixties the seventies, but it 1:56:26.040 --> 1:56:32.080 didn't translate well over records that had heavy bottom. So 1:56:32.200 --> 1:56:38.960 here comes to the magnetic cartridge. Then I studied the needle. 1:56:39.200 --> 1:56:43.640 The needle was called the stylist. Stylist comes in two classifications. 1:56:45.080 --> 1:56:51.120 There's the elliptical. Now this is the groove. The elliptical 1:56:51.240 --> 1:56:56.320 needles sat in the groove halfway because when I tried 1:56:56.320 --> 1:56:58.520 to spin it back, it kept spinning out of the groove. 1:57:00.000 --> 1:57:02.200 It's epherical. Conical needle was shaped. 1:57:01.960 --> 1:57:02.480 Like a nail. 1:57:05.200 --> 1:57:07.760 So when that sat in the groove, and I went 1:57:07.960 --> 1:57:11.880 back and stayed in the groove. Although the elyptical needle 1:57:12.120 --> 1:57:17.600 sound better, the conical needles sound like shit, but it 1:57:17.680 --> 1:57:29.880 stayed inside of the groove. Needle figured out turntable. I 1:57:29.960 --> 1:57:34.200 went in the backyard, took as many turntables out of 1:57:34.240 --> 1:57:37.280 this brown Blox stereos that was in the backyard. Maga 1:57:37.400 --> 1:57:43.960 the box Fisher price seen if One day I was 1:57:43.960 --> 1:57:49.440 coming home from the school, there was a store and 1:57:49.480 --> 1:57:51.800 a Hunts Point. Part of the Bronx called Dick mar 1:57:54.560 --> 1:57:59.320 There was this gray battleship, nasty looking table in the window. 1:58:03.160 --> 1:58:06.360 It had these things on it looked like they had 1:58:06.440 --> 1:58:10.000 the mumps. I go inside this door and I say 1:58:10.040 --> 1:58:14.000 to the first salesperson, I'm doing a study on turntables. 1:58:14.680 --> 1:58:16.840 Is it possible because you take that turntable out of 1:58:16.880 --> 1:58:20.040 the window because I'm doing his study. He says, I'll 1:58:20.080 --> 1:58:23.280 be right back. He comes right back with two football 1:58:23.320 --> 1:58:26.600 player dudes, because he was under the impression that I 1:58:26.680 --> 1:58:29.240 was trying to steal or take the turntable, and I says, no, sir, 1:58:29.720 --> 1:58:32.000 I was not. I'm doing a study on turntables, and 1:58:32.080 --> 1:58:33.640 I just want you to just put it on account 1:58:33.720 --> 1:58:35.760 to plug it in because I want to test something. 1:58:36.240 --> 1:58:39.680 And what I wanted to test is when the platter 1:58:39.800 --> 1:58:42.320 is in a state of inertia, how long does it 1:58:42.400 --> 1:58:45.440 take to pick up the speed? Turntables back then took 1:58:45.480 --> 1:58:48.440 a whole turn, half a turn, three quarters of a turn. 1:58:50.080 --> 1:58:53.920 Just particular turntable picked up in a quarter of a turn, 1:58:54.840 --> 1:58:59.040 which meant the tor the muscle on that platter will 1:58:59.120 --> 1:59:04.280 be able to go clocklockwise while I went counterclockwise. The 1:59:04.400 --> 1:59:07.720 big problem was I didn't have the money, so I 1:59:07.880 --> 1:59:11.480 asked at Vicmar, which was the name of the store, 1:59:11.720 --> 1:59:16.040 how much would the turntables. He says, there's seventy five 1:59:16.080 --> 1:59:20.040 dollars apiece. And I looked down at the company. I 1:59:20.120 --> 1:59:23.840 never heard of it before. It was this little label 1:59:24.200 --> 1:59:32.480 called Techniques thirty five dollars apiece and we ain't got 1:59:32.520 --> 1:59:35.000 me a messager job. I worked at Cramp text Fabrics 1:59:35.040 --> 1:59:38.000 fourteenth for a boat throwaway and I went delivering swatches 1:59:39.480 --> 1:59:41.720 to different company and this is swatches is like the 1:59:42.080 --> 1:59:45.600 material that design is used before they make the outfit. 1:59:46.240 --> 1:59:48.960 I also used to go to the supermarkets and any 1:59:49.160 --> 1:59:52.760 elderly person that needed help with their their their bags, 1:59:52.800 --> 1:59:55.560 their groceries and stuff, I would help them to their house. 1:59:55.840 --> 1:59:57.920 So I had to make one hundred and fifty dollars 1:59:58.520 --> 2:00:02.520 to get these two turntables. And when I finally got 2:00:02.600 --> 2:00:05.520 them and I got them home, there was this big 2:00:05.680 --> 2:00:11.080 nasty rubber thing on this Now in my mind, I'm 2:00:11.120 --> 2:00:13.160 already saying to myself, I have to be able to 2:00:13.200 --> 2:00:18.320 go counterclockwise, and when you try to go counterclockwise with that, 2:00:19.040 --> 2:00:21.960 you will notice the whole platter is going counterclockwise. I'm 2:00:22.080 --> 2:00:30.440 like no, this is not working. My mother was a seamstress. 2:00:34.640 --> 2:00:44.200 I watched her make our clothes polyester rayon, silk, cotton, leather, 2:00:45.000 --> 2:00:48.960 swede felt. 2:00:53.080 --> 2:00:54.120 Let me, that's case saying. 2:00:56.360 --> 2:01:02.520 Felt. I remember member felt because in grade school we 2:01:02.680 --> 2:01:04.200 used to cut out letters and if you cut out 2:01:04.280 --> 2:01:06.120 letters looking really good, you get five stars. You'll be 2:01:06.240 --> 2:01:06.560 going home. 2:01:07.680 --> 2:01:19.040 Mommy would like love you open that up. So felt, 2:01:21.240 --> 2:01:24.360 it's limb, pray limb. 2:01:34.080 --> 2:01:46.520 This became the enemy. Well, mom wasn't looking. No before Mom, 2:01:46.680 --> 2:01:48.880 I ran to the material store because I used to 2:01:48.920 --> 2:01:50.920 watch the ball make clothes. I'm going through the. 2:01:50.920 --> 2:01:55.080 Aisles polyester, rayon, cotton, silk. 2:01:56.680 --> 2:02:01.200 Felt. I bought two pieces felt that was the size 2:02:01.200 --> 2:02:07.920 of two albums and it was very very length the felt. 2:02:09.680 --> 2:02:13.120 So when Mom was looking, I did. I took this 2:02:14.320 --> 2:02:19.280 spray starch and I sprayed it on what I called 2:02:19.600 --> 2:02:22.000 the wafer, and I called it a way for ladies 2:02:22.040 --> 2:02:24.720 and gentlemen. It's because during the Easter, Mom used to 2:02:24.760 --> 2:02:27.480 get us shark and take us to the neighborhood church. 2:02:28.040 --> 2:02:29.440 And I don't know if you guys know about this. 2:02:29.520 --> 2:02:30.920 What during the easy to give you this to a 2:02:30.960 --> 2:02:33.760 white wafer thing to eat I called it a wafer. 2:02:34.240 --> 2:02:36.880 And when I ironed it and I put it on 2:02:37.080 --> 2:02:45.840 the turntable, I called it a wafer an the other 2:02:45.920 --> 2:02:51.720 ones today. But there was what the opponent missing. Let me, 2:02:51.840 --> 2:02:52.920 let me, let me get that part. 2:02:54.920 --> 2:02:57.680 When I put the wafer on top of the platter 2:02:57.720 --> 2:03:00.839 and I put the record on top of the wafer, 2:03:02.560 --> 2:03:05.680 there still was a degree of resistance because I could 2:03:05.800 --> 2:03:12.960 feel it. My sisters on my mom used to make 2:03:13.000 --> 2:03:17.320 these chocolate chip cookies on this type of paper. 2:03:20.480 --> 2:03:24.520 I cut out the circle amount of it, and then 2:03:24.600 --> 2:03:30.960 I put I put the wax paper on this on 2:03:31.120 --> 2:03:36.200 the platter, and I put the wafer on the wax paper, 2:03:36.680 --> 2:03:42.480 and I put the record on the wafer, and now 2:03:44.800 --> 2:03:50.600 no resistance. When I went counter clockwise, problem solved. 2:03:53.160 --> 2:03:54.320 How long is that presence? 2:03:55.160 --> 2:03:58.680 Give me a second four block or with six counterclockwise. 2:04:01.600 --> 2:04:04.080 This is where I got stuck. And this is where 2:04:04.120 --> 2:04:07.640 I almost walked away. When I walked away, for about 2:04:07.680 --> 2:04:16.560 two or three weeks, I got stuck. Why is it 2:04:22.080 --> 2:04:28.360 the vinyl going four bars? Let's take good times? Four bars? 2:04:30.600 --> 2:04:33.320 Do do do do do, don't do doom doom doom 2:04:33.840 --> 2:04:38.240 do do do do do do do do four bars. Statistically, 2:04:38.400 --> 2:04:42.400 it takes the brain four bars to understand a new song. 2:04:44.480 --> 2:04:54.960 So for me, the problem for me was I had to. 2:04:56.840 --> 2:05:02.840 Play the songs the wrong way. So what I did was, 2:05:04.600 --> 2:05:07.360 first things first, I put crayon on. 2:05:09.400 --> 2:05:12.280 The mark because this break happens to be on the top. 2:05:13.280 --> 2:05:16.360 So now we're gonna do this with one record first, 2:05:17.520 --> 2:05:24.480 four boss first, and we're gonna count four bars one, two, 2:05:26.520 --> 2:05:38.240 three and four right now, four boss forward? Why is 2:05:38.360 --> 2:05:48.480 it if I bring it back four bars? Why might 2:05:48.640 --> 2:05:54.120 wrong place? Four bosses went by? It passed the line 2:05:54.160 --> 2:05:57.200 four four times, and this. 2:05:59.160 --> 2:06:06.400 Is what stoped me, goes Ram, you wear your white 2:06:06.440 --> 2:06:07.680 hand wall loom. 2:06:08.560 --> 2:06:10.200 Don't don't as the. 2:06:13.600 --> 2:06:20.760 Going I wear four moss, Like, why didn't I go 2:06:20.960 --> 2:06:23.120 fit the best? Why? 2:06:24.720 --> 2:06:31.960 Why it's not really a clear instagram? 2:06:32.200 --> 2:06:36.440 Don't answer that with the speed. No it doesn't. That's 2:06:36.760 --> 2:06:37.480 to me. That's what I'm thinking. 2:06:37.600 --> 2:06:40.720 Speed if necessarily amount of it? 2:06:44.160 --> 2:06:46.600 Answer, but she was choo, I don't know what he 2:06:46.680 --> 2:06:48.720 did guns right? Go on? 2:06:49.680 --> 2:06:56.720 Okay, it's because the average you were cloth the average 2:06:56.800 --> 2:07:02.640 seed all that album best falls inside fins thirty three. 2:07:03.440 --> 2:07:04.280 And a third. 2:07:04.720 --> 2:07:05.960 Because of forty five that will. 2:07:05.840 --> 2:07:06.480 Be different than. 2:07:08.000 --> 2:07:16.280 Say eight the same year season two more, but I 2:07:16.360 --> 2:07:18.240 have to re arrive on the top of the break, 2:07:18.240 --> 2:07:18.640 and I'm. 2:07:18.480 --> 2:07:22.200 Gonna show you how it works. And the Bird of 2:07:22.360 --> 2:07:25.480 the Quick three weeks to feel three, three weeks I 2:07:25.600 --> 2:07:27.840 walked away. I was mad at the fall four pause 2:07:27.920 --> 2:07:30.560 four with why can't I go? Four bars back? And 2:07:30.640 --> 2:07:31.640 I'm in the wrong place. 2:07:31.720 --> 2:07:32.400 I got a question. 2:07:32.560 --> 2:07:35.840 So any any speed be right? Eddie speed me four 2:07:35.920 --> 2:07:38.400 to six, four to six, forty six, any b any 2:07:38.440 --> 2:07:40.880 speed forty five, thirty three, sixteen, she could be a 2:07:41.520 --> 2:07:45.720 that could be whatever right, I'm gonna show you. Member, man, 2:07:46.040 --> 2:07:48.000 hell but I'm kind of seeing four. Okay, I'm gonna 2:07:48.000 --> 2:07:49.720 show you right now, let's do. Let's go through it, man, 2:07:49.960 --> 2:07:56.720 let's go. Let's go through it now. Good, let's go. 2:08:01.160 --> 2:08:04.800 And I'm doing the real basic, no fancy ship seem 2:08:04.840 --> 2:08:05.280 as lou. 2:08:07.160 --> 2:08:17.240 One two three four five six shick throw, one shoe 2:08:17.880 --> 2:08:21.720 three four five six shack. 2:08:23.200 --> 2:08:23.400 Throw. 2:08:25.560 --> 2:08:27.560 Let's do it with a rock record. When I told him, 2:08:27.640 --> 2:08:31.880 I howk that ship? Let's go. 2:08:34.360 --> 2:08:37.080 We a white point record, down, white record, right down, 2:08:40.080 --> 2:08:48.160 here we go. One tchoo three four five six shack 2:08:50.280 --> 2:08:57.520 throw one two three four five six check. 2:08:59.480 --> 2:08:59.720 Throw. 2:09:01.080 --> 2:09:06.240 Let's use a jazz record. This's a jazz record. This 2:09:06.360 --> 2:09:22.520 is a Jazz records tough line two three four five 2:09:23.040 --> 2:09:33.000 six check bro one two three four five six check. 2:09:38.080 --> 2:09:38.280 Now. 2:09:46.840 --> 2:09:52.040 So now, now there's some songs that are an exception 2:09:52.240 --> 2:09:55.120 to the rule and it's just two bars. And if 2:09:55.160 --> 2:09:58.640 it's two bars, now this becomes two b effort, this 2:09:58.840 --> 2:10:06.920 becomes three counterclockwise resume revolutions, full loop extractions all at this. 2:10:08.080 --> 2:10:17.960 How I almost slipped on this record when I heard 2:10:18.000 --> 2:10:19.000 this and I put I put the deed. 2:10:19.120 --> 2:10:32.440 Now this one. When I went in a record shop, 2:10:33.480 --> 2:10:37.480 this death. It was annoying as fucking It was long 2:10:37.840 --> 2:10:40.880 as fuck. I almost missed this bitch, and so I 2:10:41.000 --> 2:10:42.160 let it play for a little while. 2:10:48.000 --> 2:10:55.080 One two three check call one two three check go 2:10:56.720 --> 2:11:03.880 one true three check call. This is the quick knick 2:11:03.960 --> 2:11:19.000 theory because no, it's because the drunk PAM was so short. Okay, 2:11:19.760 --> 2:11:20.840 so if because most of. 2:11:20.840 --> 2:11:22.080 Those were similar to BPM. 2:11:22.160 --> 2:11:24.880 So my question is would that apply for a one 2:11:25.760 --> 2:11:27.520 a house factor or something like that. I'll try that. 2:11:27.560 --> 2:11:29.680 I never tried that, But it has to be four bars, 2:11:30.000 --> 2:11:35.720 because four bars for four bars like this this this device, this, 2:11:36.120 --> 2:11:40.320 this device is static. So four bars on a house 2:11:40.400 --> 2:11:43.960 record would still be six counterclockwise to get back to 2:11:44.040 --> 2:11:48.840 the beginning of that particular section. You did what I'm saying, Like, 2:11:49.120 --> 2:11:51.280 if it's a house beat and it goes into something 2:11:51.320 --> 2:11:54.440 funky for four bars, you still would have to go 2:11:55.200 --> 2:11:57.600 six count of clockwise to get back with it. Because 2:11:57.640 --> 2:12:00.800 this is static. So this works with a record, a 2:12:00.960 --> 2:12:04.360 rock record, a jazz record, a blues record, and every 2:12:04.600 --> 2:12:07.120 genre of records in the world. So when I figured 2:12:07.400 --> 2:12:11.640 this out, this, yes, all of them. This is what 2:12:11.800 --> 2:12:21.000 made me so this is this is what made me dangerous. 2:12:21.440 --> 2:12:23.080 This is what made me dangerous, and this is what 2:12:23.240 --> 2:12:26.480 made DJs had to go back and retool because they 2:12:26.640 --> 2:12:31.960 all I'm gonna try, I'm gonna try. This is what 2:12:32.040 --> 2:12:36.320 I call let's use seven minutes, let's use that. Have 2:12:36.480 --> 2:12:39.360 you on a tone on. I don't give a fuck 2:12:40.080 --> 2:12:43.240 who you are. It is impossible to do what I 2:12:43.600 --> 2:12:52.160 just did by just doing the tone arm. Now you 2:12:52.320 --> 2:13:04.800 have no control of the record. You're doing this. That's 2:13:07.160 --> 2:13:15.960 peak rock causes trade record. A rapper cannot wrap on this. 2:13:16.880 --> 2:13:19.720 A dancer maybe they could dance all that. 2:13:23.520 --> 2:13:32.240 Just now you have no control, no control, right transition 2:13:33.480 --> 2:13:37.000 the law come on talking, no, no, no, don't talking, 2:13:37.040 --> 2:13:37.800 don't talk in private. 2:13:37.920 --> 2:13:38.120 That's it. 2:13:39.200 --> 2:13:42.560 The sign between the drops. I seem like you disgratuated, 2:13:42.800 --> 2:13:43.640 like bringing it. 2:13:43.720 --> 2:13:44.760 Back now. 2:13:46.680 --> 2:13:48.280 That what's the sign that this is? 2:13:48.440 --> 2:13:52.360 This is this is DJing the right way. This is 2:13:52.520 --> 2:13:55.560 DJing the right way. You don't put your hands on 2:13:55.640 --> 2:13:57.720 the record too much. You don't you know, and you 2:13:57.880 --> 2:14:09.400 put it down and you move it over right, scram 2:14:10.360 --> 2:14:15.200 We break the law. Louie turned this into a more code. 2:14:15.520 --> 2:14:19.000 We break the law. We're touching our fingertipty and making 2:14:19.080 --> 2:14:22.680 the record dirty. We're putting stress on the platter. This 2:14:22.880 --> 2:14:26.640 is breaking the law. And it took me almost three 2:14:26.720 --> 2:14:28.240 years to break the law. 2:14:29.320 --> 2:14:32.959 And when I did this, when all rappers in front. 2:14:32.800 --> 2:14:36.920 Of me, he's in good hands telling his story. And 2:14:37.080 --> 2:14:39.800 this is when the rappers who were I mean the 2:14:39.880 --> 2:14:43.880 producers who were DJs. They knew how to take a 2:14:44.000 --> 2:14:47.040 seamless loop and put it into a machine and then 2:14:47.680 --> 2:14:50.080 produce the shit out of the fucking beat. So when 2:14:50.120 --> 2:14:52.360 people like Nori walk in and says wraps and get out, 2:14:52.400 --> 2:14:56.560 he's in good hands. Producer gonna gonna complete the mix. 2:14:56.880 --> 2:14:59.120 You know how a recording console. It's like fifty two 2:14:59.200 --> 2:15:01.760 fadus a lot of work to put a record together. 2:15:02.360 --> 2:15:04.040 This is the type of ship that I'm talking about, 2:15:04.080 --> 2:15:11.680 nor that needs to be talked about. Throw him in jail. 2:15:12.040 --> 2:15:13.600 You're breaking along a long time. 2:15:18.920 --> 2:15:19.920 What about forty. 2:15:25.600 --> 2:15:31.800 Material material quake time? Break him in. 2:15:39.440 --> 2:15:44.480 No, I wait for he to come back for that one. Damn, 2:15:45.520 --> 2:15:46.720 I ain't never better. 2:15:47.280 --> 2:15:52.160 Okay, we didn't actually we talked about Rick James. We 2:15:52.200 --> 2:15:55.160 didn't understand. We didn't talk about the meaning of that record. 2:15:55.360 --> 2:15:59.520 Which one p I m P the s I m 2:15:59.600 --> 2:16:03.880 P SIMP that's mel did that record with him? I 2:16:04.120 --> 2:16:06.160 didn't even know about the record. Simp the pimp something 2:16:06.200 --> 2:16:08.400 like that, Yeah, pimp the sim. 2:16:09.760 --> 2:16:10.920 You know it is. And this is the ship that 2:16:11.000 --> 2:16:16.960 got Sylvia so pissed off because Sylvia Robbinson, what cause 2:16:17.040 --> 2:16:23.360 sugar Hill Motown called sugar Hill for Mail to guest 2:16:23.360 --> 2:16:28.680 star on a Rick James record. So, but Rick James 2:16:28.720 --> 2:16:31.840 knew who I was, he knew the group, and he 2:16:31.920 --> 2:16:35.000 knew that Grand Master Flash with the trademark, with the 2:16:35.120 --> 2:16:36.039 mark that was going to. 2:16:36.040 --> 2:16:36.640 Sell the record. 2:16:37.280 --> 2:16:41.760 So when he didn't put Melody mail, that made sugar 2:16:41.800 --> 2:16:43.960 Hill Records very angry. But that was a mail and 2:16:45.000 --> 2:16:49.480 that was a deal. Long after I left right, was 2:16:49.480 --> 2:16:51.720 doing a few things that nothing happened. Let's put it 2:16:51.760 --> 2:16:54.280 that way, Okay, okay, But if I had it to 2:16:54.400 --> 2:16:57.000 do over again, I do just exact same way, man, 2:16:57.040 --> 2:16:58.760 because I love what I do, all right? 2:16:59.520 --> 2:17:04.480 And then talk about get down the was that on Netflix? 2:17:04.800 --> 2:17:06.520 Is that based on you? 2:17:07.120 --> 2:17:07.160 No? 2:17:08.160 --> 2:17:11.960 Here's here's the thing about Boss Lehmann. Bos Lehman would 2:17:12.000 --> 2:17:14.720 take this big can and he would make this ship 2:17:14.800 --> 2:17:18.880 look like the most incredible ship ever. And this is 2:17:18.959 --> 2:17:23.600 why I love Boss learning so much because nobody else 2:17:23.760 --> 2:17:26.080 other than the people who made Wild Style gave a 2:17:26.160 --> 2:17:30.560 fuck about wanting to come into the Bronx and film it. 2:17:31.680 --> 2:17:36.000 So when I met him, he wanted me to just 2:17:36.120 --> 2:17:42.280 be to help him with uh how the clothing was 2:17:42.360 --> 2:17:44.440 back then and kind of like a you know, a 2:17:44.720 --> 2:17:50.240 small role. But then what was happening was as he 2:17:50.360 --> 2:17:53.560 was filming, getting putting it together, and he would ask 2:17:53.680 --> 2:17:55.440 me to come down to say, what do you think 2:17:55.480 --> 2:17:57.520 about this scene? I say, that was the wrong area 2:17:57.680 --> 2:18:01.240 of the Bronx, Like he was spending you know a 2:18:01.320 --> 2:18:06.320 lot of money on the wrong area shooting. And so 2:18:07.600 --> 2:18:10.360 then he asked me to be a producer with him, 2:18:11.200 --> 2:18:13.040 and then he asked me to stay home for my toys. 2:18:13.040 --> 2:18:14.160 I said, well, if you can master. 2:18:14.080 --> 2:18:15.680 Money that I make on my toys and I'll stay 2:18:15.720 --> 2:18:20.040 home and he did. Wow. So from there then one day, 2:18:20.200 --> 2:18:24.240 you know, shooting, he says, man, I need to put 2:18:24.280 --> 2:18:24.600 you in this. 2:18:25.080 --> 2:18:27.520 I need to get to find somebody to play you 2:18:28.240 --> 2:18:28.440 in this. 2:18:28.640 --> 2:18:30.600 I'm like, well, let's get the fuck out of here, 2:18:30.920 --> 2:18:32.800 so I'll get down to get down, you know, he 2:18:32.840 --> 2:18:33.360 tells you this. 2:18:33.440 --> 2:18:35.000 You know, I'm going to my area to work. 2:18:35.040 --> 2:18:37.119 He's going to this area to work, like passing each 2:18:37.120 --> 2:18:41.280 other in the hallway, like I'm like, yeah, whatever. About 2:18:41.320 --> 2:18:44.920 three weeks later, I come to work. He asked me 2:18:45.000 --> 2:18:45.840 to come in this office. 2:18:46.920 --> 2:18:47.040 Yo. 2:18:47.200 --> 2:18:51.160 He and I walk in the office and I'm like, 2:18:52.840 --> 2:18:58.440 who's your mother? Just like me, Oh shoo, who's your mother? 2:18:58.720 --> 2:19:02.560 Wait about hold on, yeah, except who's your mother? 2:19:03.520 --> 2:19:03.720 Yeah? 2:19:03.760 --> 2:19:06.680 Who's who's your How you walking in the office? Who's 2:19:06.720 --> 2:19:07.240 your mother? No? 2:19:07.360 --> 2:19:07.400 No? 2:19:07.520 --> 2:19:09.480 Walk in. I looked at him and I said, because 2:19:09.480 --> 2:19:12.320 I was like, what's your mother's name? Because he looked 2:19:12.440 --> 2:19:17.000 just like me. And sometimes we do things. 2:19:16.879 --> 2:19:18.080 You know, and we don't know. 2:19:20.080 --> 2:19:23.240 On the hunt. No, I thought that he was my son, 2:19:24.600 --> 2:19:32.800 I know, not. 2:19:35.040 --> 2:19:36.640 You know so to smart. 2:19:36.840 --> 2:19:42.120 So bos Bo's got his bozs. You know. He said 2:19:42.160 --> 2:19:43.960 that she to be in pastor in the hallways. So 2:19:44.000 --> 2:19:46.280 I didn't take that shit serious. And then he says, 2:19:46.320 --> 2:19:48.320 your class coming to AUSO, come in to office. I 2:19:48.360 --> 2:19:52.960 want you to meet somebody I'm walking here. He looks 2:19:53.000 --> 2:19:57.080 at me. I look at him. I asked him, what's 2:19:57.120 --> 2:20:01.880 his mother's name? I respectfully, because I mean, I'll say 2:20:03.560 --> 2:20:05.360 I had fun on the road and I did some things, 2:20:05.440 --> 2:20:07.359 you know, and people. 2:20:07.560 --> 2:20:10.800 That is knw listening to this. He is saying he 2:20:11.000 --> 2:20:12.200 was the original snipe flo. 2:20:15.280 --> 2:20:26.680 Oh my god, why over there? Take down? So I 2:20:26.760 --> 2:20:30.560 asked him and then I found out, you know who 2:20:30.640 --> 2:20:32.640 was you know? He told me, told me his background, 2:20:32.720 --> 2:20:36.039 his family background. I was like, okay, let's go to work. 2:20:36.160 --> 2:20:36.720 Let me teach you. 2:20:36.879 --> 2:20:40.240 So I taught him somewhat of the basics. I didn't 2:20:40.240 --> 2:20:42.000 want I didn't want to play the role. He needed 2:20:42.040 --> 2:20:44.400 somebody younger to play a young flash. So he had 2:20:44.440 --> 2:20:46.120 to scour the world in front of somebody, and he 2:20:46.240 --> 2:20:51.840 found he found his dude. That ship I'm Michael. That 2:20:51.959 --> 2:20:55.240 made me think, on planet Earth, we all have a duplicate. 2:20:55.480 --> 2:20:59.280 The double Ganger is that what they called it. 2:20:59.480 --> 2:21:02.760 That's legitimate, what they called a double ganger. Everybody has 2:21:03.240 --> 2:21:04.880 an exact twins somewhere in the world. 2:21:05.280 --> 2:21:05.920 Double ganger. 2:21:06.440 --> 2:21:11.840 Oh ship, I think right, like, Oh, that's bigley up. 2:21:12.280 --> 2:21:16.000 Were especially do before good Kid Man. 2:21:16.080 --> 2:21:17.640 Good Kid took me a by the month to teach 2:21:17.680 --> 2:21:19.440 him how to just do the basics, you know, so 2:21:19.520 --> 2:21:21.200 that you can form on the get down. 2:21:21.240 --> 2:21:22.040 So let me tell you something. 2:21:23.280 --> 2:21:28.279 That was not a realization of the hood in the Bronx. 2:21:28.400 --> 2:21:31.880 But that wasn't the intention, right, The intention was to 2:21:32.000 --> 2:21:39.800 take elements and then glorify it with his story. And 2:21:39.879 --> 2:21:42.200 the one good thing about that that ship gave attention 2:21:42.320 --> 2:21:45.920 to the Bronx. It gave it. Even motherfuckers saying that 2:21:45.959 --> 2:21:47.320 fucking ship was whack. It wasn't real. 2:21:47.360 --> 2:21:50.440 It was whatever gave attention to the Bronx. 2:21:51.280 --> 2:21:52.840 Was you an executive produco in that series? 2:21:52.920 --> 2:21:55.040 I was a producer. I was a producer. Curves Blow 2:21:55.160 --> 2:21:56.560 was the producer. It was a few, but I was 2:21:56.640 --> 2:22:00.760 producers all. It was the greatest experienced to be able 2:22:00.800 --> 2:22:05.199 to just see how a soundtrack is written, and seeing 2:22:05.200 --> 2:22:07.840 the motherfuckers with the strings and the whole ship, and 2:22:07.959 --> 2:22:09.720 to see how a movie is made, like to be 2:22:09.800 --> 2:22:12.879 in the back room and see how it's constructed. 2:22:13.600 --> 2:22:14.519 Fucking amazing. 2:22:14.920 --> 2:22:15.120 It was. 2:22:15.160 --> 2:22:17.280 It filmed in the Bronx. It was filmed in the 2:22:17.360 --> 2:22:22.640 Bronx and it was filmed and then Boz rented the 2:22:22.720 --> 2:22:25.160 area in Queens and this must have been the size 2:22:25.200 --> 2:22:29.320 of ten fucking walmarts and they replicated a bedroom in 2:22:29.400 --> 2:22:32.160 the seventies, they replicated and this is where he asked 2:22:32.200 --> 2:22:34.000 me to go to the clothing department to make sure 2:22:34.040 --> 2:22:36.680 that white clothing at the time, you know what I'm saying. 2:22:36.600 --> 2:22:37.959 Silver Cup Studios and Queens. 2:22:38.280 --> 2:22:39.800 Oh was it. 2:22:41.760 --> 2:22:43.640 As soon as you get the bridge. Yeah, this ship 2:22:43.720 --> 2:22:45.640 was like this ship was like a whole city block 2:22:46.760 --> 2:22:51.080 and each room had a replication of like the kitchen, 2:22:51.720 --> 2:22:54.560 a bedroom, you know, clothing and the whole shit. And 2:22:54.640 --> 2:22:56.240 he asked me to just kind of oversee a lot 2:22:56.320 --> 2:22:58.439 of this and then from there he did this glorifying 2:22:58.520 --> 2:23:02.000 thing that he does, but it wasn't real, but he 2:23:02.120 --> 2:23:03.800 damned Sho'll put brocks on a map on it with 2:23:03.920 --> 2:23:05.800 that shit there for real? 2:23:06.720 --> 2:23:09.160 Thinking for that now, on that soundtrack, you got Teddy 2:23:09.160 --> 2:23:10.520 Penneygraft on that soundtrack. 2:23:10.680 --> 2:23:12.840 Yeah, did you work with Teddy Penny. 2:23:12.600 --> 2:23:14.440 Gra No, I actually did the remix on it. 2:23:14.680 --> 2:23:15.600 Oh, that's the remix. 2:23:15.800 --> 2:23:20.120 So what happened was they needed certain records in the 2:23:20.920 --> 2:23:27.480 show with less talking, so he I guess he cut 2:23:27.520 --> 2:23:30.080 a deal with Sony, and Sony allowed me to go 2:23:30.240 --> 2:23:36.320 into the vaults and see the masters, and I was 2:23:36.400 --> 2:23:40.720 able to take masters like I wish I could go 2:23:40.800 --> 2:23:43.440 back in there now, Like you know, you and I 2:23:43.640 --> 2:23:46.240 we we look for that shit forever and ever. But 2:23:46.280 --> 2:23:48.520 imagine going in there and seeing motherfuckers with really white 2:23:48.560 --> 2:23:51.280 coats on. You got to put gloves on because his 2:23:51.480 --> 2:23:53.600 masters are so old that they could break, you know 2:23:53.640 --> 2:23:56.240 what I'm saying. I'm looking at like Miles Davis. I'm 2:23:56.280 --> 2:23:59.520 looking at like fucking Cheryl Lane. I'm looking at I'm like, 2:23:59.640 --> 2:24:01.760 oh my god, I'm looking at the mass that made 2:24:02.520 --> 2:24:04.760 these songs that I cut up and do what I do. 2:24:05.280 --> 2:24:07.640 I'm looking at the fucking original mask and it was 2:24:08.640 --> 2:24:11.000 tons of them, and they just said go around and 2:24:11.120 --> 2:24:12.320 just pick what you wanted. 2:24:13.080 --> 2:24:15.400 Wow, And they're gonna let you open it. 2:24:15.480 --> 2:24:18.800 Up and you know what you want. And they baked. 2:24:18.879 --> 2:24:21.320 They baked the poppy dams. 2:24:21.360 --> 2:24:23.480 You can't stay. I need a baseline from No no, no. 2:24:23.520 --> 2:24:23.800 No, the. 2:24:27.160 --> 2:24:30.920 Studio they let me do it. They cook the stems 2:24:30.959 --> 2:24:33.400 back because they don't want us, they don't want us 2:24:33.400 --> 2:24:33.640 to have that. 2:24:34.160 --> 2:24:34.800 That's a museum. 2:24:35.360 --> 2:24:37.960 Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, So that's that's pretty much that. 2:24:38.080 --> 2:24:38.240 Man. 2:24:38.920 --> 2:24:44.039 You ever met Prince of Michael. I met Prince when 2:24:44.080 --> 2:24:47.320 I was when I did the Chris Rockshaw was his 2:24:47.480 --> 2:24:51.640 music director, and to sit down with him and just 2:24:53.520 --> 2:24:57.760 talk to him about life, very low speaking, very calm, 2:24:57.959 --> 2:25:03.280 very intelligent. That ship blew my motherfucking mind. Man, to 2:25:03.320 --> 2:25:07.280 see that ship, man, Prince, Prince else I never got 2:25:07.440 --> 2:25:10.760 yet because she's she's really a little guy, little guy, 2:25:11.160 --> 2:25:15.520 you know. So it was wearing heels though, man, whatever 2:25:15.560 --> 2:25:15.840 it was. 2:25:15.920 --> 2:25:17.000 He was a great fucking artist. 2:25:18.400 --> 2:25:21.920 Yeah, it was so doing that. Doing that, you know, 2:25:21.959 --> 2:25:23.680 I got a chance to meet you know, that's probably 2:25:23.720 --> 2:25:25.879 when I first the first chance I got to sit 2:25:25.920 --> 2:25:28.680 and talk with jay Z because he came on the show. Wow, 2:25:28.840 --> 2:25:31.760 you know, so I had it was quite a moving 2:25:31.879 --> 2:25:34.320 experience to learn TV. So I've been behind movies and 2:25:34.480 --> 2:25:37.360 I've been behind TV shows and I remember when the 2:25:37.440 --> 2:25:39.680 Chris rock Show was on. She was supposed to be 2:25:39.720 --> 2:25:43.280 just a pilost, but the ship went five years wow, 2:25:43.520 --> 2:25:46.120 and then year five we both said let's let's let's 2:25:46.160 --> 2:25:48.039 jump off on the ship is doing hot, because sometimes 2:25:48.080 --> 2:25:50.720 you could do a sequel sequel, sequel, sequel and she 2:25:50.959 --> 2:25:52.920 just get whack after a while. So he jumped off 2:25:52.959 --> 2:25:53.160 when the. 2:25:53.160 --> 2:25:53.680 Ship was hot. 2:25:53.720 --> 2:25:54.440 It's pretty cool. 2:25:54.920 --> 2:25:57.680 Let's talk about B Street, the street That wasn't me, 2:25:57.760 --> 2:26:01.760 that was Mail twelve and single Vital get the fun. 2:26:03.160 --> 2:26:09.240 Damn you got your name on everything. It was all over, Norrie. 2:26:09.800 --> 2:26:12.280 The business did what the business did. I'm much smarter 2:26:12.320 --> 2:26:18.360 than now, a much moreder now. So limitally are you 2:26:18.440 --> 2:26:20.040 teople who's tuning in right? 2:26:21.280 --> 2:26:23.880 When you google this? When you google this actually comes 2:26:23.959 --> 2:26:26.520 up right, all of these these words with your name 2:26:26.560 --> 2:26:31.520 attacks you're saying for people who don't know that most 2:26:31.560 --> 2:26:33.280 of this this was the record label because your name 2:26:33.360 --> 2:26:35.600 was hotter at the time, or was that name? 2:26:35.800 --> 2:26:36.840 Grand Master Flash and. 2:26:36.879 --> 2:26:40.320 The Furious Five together simultaneously. 2:26:40.440 --> 2:26:43.320 It's that humantained clan. Okay, it's like this here, grand 2:26:43.400 --> 2:26:48.880 Master Flash and the Furious Five. It's six people. Grand 2:26:48.959 --> 2:26:53.840 Master Flash was hot from the streets, made hot by 2:26:55.040 --> 2:26:58.240 the record label. And there was a time when I 2:26:58.400 --> 2:27:03.280 had to go in to court to fight for my 2:27:03.440 --> 2:27:06.440 name because it was getting a little bit out of hand. 2:27:08.400 --> 2:27:15.080 I think at that particular time, I lost everything. But 2:27:15.920 --> 2:27:19.600 when the day came when the judge says that this 2:27:19.800 --> 2:27:24.880 marriage has to be ended, and Joseph Sadness awarded his name, 2:27:26.400 --> 2:27:28.920 this is the court's downtown with the White Steps. Who 2:27:29.040 --> 2:27:31.720 was fighting for your name? The label, the label was 2:27:31.720 --> 2:27:36.960 trying to keep it. So when the judge awarded Sugar Hills. 2:27:37.760 --> 2:27:41.360 So when when when when the judge awarded me my name? 2:27:43.320 --> 2:27:44.039 I ran out the. 2:27:46.760 --> 2:27:50.119 The judge said it in judge terms, and my lawyer 2:27:50.200 --> 2:27:53.800 is looking at me, like, what's. 2:27:52.360 --> 2:27:52.880 The matter with you? 2:27:52.879 --> 2:27:56.160 You just got your name back. I ran out of 2:27:56.200 --> 2:27:59.640 that courtroom. And the way the courtrooms are is like 2:27:59.680 --> 2:28:03.000 the White Steps. I felt that all my knees and 2:28:03.040 --> 2:28:05.000 I thank God, and I was crying like a baby 2:28:05.800 --> 2:28:08.800 because all I wanted was my name back. Whatever you 2:28:08.920 --> 2:28:13.359 took for me financially, okay, fine, please take that. Because 2:28:13.920 --> 2:28:17.320 I think at that particular time, I had done enough 2:28:17.480 --> 2:28:20.600 imprint in the business and our little business of hip 2:28:20.640 --> 2:28:24.680 hop that the world would take me in. 2:28:25.680 --> 2:28:26.200 And they did. 2:28:26.520 --> 2:28:28.400 So that's when I started all over again. I started 2:28:28.440 --> 2:28:31.520 in clubs and I started playing alone. And I took 2:28:31.560 --> 2:28:36.000 the theory to the next level, and eighteen years later, 2:28:36.120 --> 2:28:41.240 here we are. So it was rough, but you know, 2:28:42.600 --> 2:28:46.920 there's faith and his belief, and I'm very spiritual. I'm 2:28:46.959 --> 2:28:49.600 big on gods. You know a lot of things that 2:28:49.720 --> 2:28:49.920 I do. 2:28:53.600 --> 2:29:00.720 Guess now, what was your name before before DJ Flash? 2:29:00.879 --> 2:29:02.880 Just know you said, but your boy didn't do that 2:29:03.320 --> 2:29:06.760 because you was fast, run fast? So what do you 2:29:06.840 --> 2:29:07.680 have a name before that? 2:29:07.840 --> 2:29:07.880 No? 2:29:08.400 --> 2:29:11.800 No, no, Mines was empty Yahoo with the ball to being. 2:29:11.840 --> 2:29:14.880 I had a funcked up name. You ain't have you 2:29:14.959 --> 2:29:17.959 just a flash name. He's always had a fly Repeat 2:29:18.000 --> 2:29:20.440 that again? Is the name empty Yahoo with the ball 2:29:20.520 --> 2:29:20.800 to Bean. 2:29:21.760 --> 2:29:23.480 You didn't come out with the record with that name. 2:29:27.720 --> 2:29:31.840 That's big, That's what you always came up with. 2:29:31.879 --> 2:29:33.360 Flash. You always had a full flash. 2:29:33.480 --> 2:29:35.800 Yeah, okay, the Grand Master was put in front of it, 2:29:35.920 --> 2:29:36.080 you know. 2:29:36.200 --> 2:29:38.480 But other than that, no, I wasn't. I wasn't nothing else. 2:29:38.720 --> 2:29:41.760 Right, So we got a quick time. 2:29:42.560 --> 2:29:44.280 Yeah, they could do a quick time. But Scram is 2:29:44.280 --> 2:29:46.120 gonna be the designated drinker because you're not drinking. 2:29:46.640 --> 2:29:47.720 I'm not drinking drinking. 2:29:47.959 --> 2:29:56.080 No designated drinking. Come on, no reason, I'm fast. 2:29:56.480 --> 2:30:00.120 No, Yeah, Scram gotta take shots. Man, Yeah, come well, 2:30:00.120 --> 2:30:01.800 you gotta do it in the name a motherfucker. 2:30:02.480 --> 2:30:03.680 I got three questions. 2:30:04.879 --> 2:30:07.959 At the quick time, quick time, quick time, the quick 2:30:08.000 --> 2:30:08.959 time stop quick. 2:30:09.160 --> 2:30:10.240 He wants you to drink it. 2:30:10.280 --> 2:30:11.880 It means you have to answer everything because if you 2:30:11.879 --> 2:30:13.000 do know, answer and I gotta take a shot. 2:30:13.120 --> 2:30:17.240 You got slain them rules, Oh shipla, the rules. Explain them. 2:30:17.240 --> 2:30:19.280 I'm gonna ask you one one thing or the other. 2:30:19.800 --> 2:30:21.360 Some some controversy questions. 2:30:21.360 --> 2:30:21.800 That's one thing. 2:30:22.440 --> 2:30:24.959 Get it more complicated, bro, It's just it's just we're 2:30:24.959 --> 2:30:25.480 gonna give you. 2:30:25.640 --> 2:30:29.960 Two two names, two things. You pick one nobody drinks. 2:30:30.360 --> 2:30:33.840 If you say both or neither of them, then we 2:30:33.959 --> 2:30:35.320 all drinking. You're not drinking. 2:30:37.440 --> 2:30:40.680 You'll see. It's so easy. But but just answer everything. 2:30:41.879 --> 2:30:46.200 Multiple choice, Get to pick one nobody drinks, you say 2:30:46.280 --> 2:30:47.800 both and neither were drinking. 2:30:48.120 --> 2:30:52.879 We're drinking with you. We're drinking with you. Ready here, scram, scram, 2:30:53.400 --> 2:30:56.600 just one shot glass? Come on, you can just be easy. 2:30:57.879 --> 2:31:03.080 I he's gouts right, it's not me. Okay, ready for 2:31:03.200 --> 2:31:07.640 you guys, have a sign? Sign Yeah what you drinking? 2:31:07.680 --> 2:31:13.520 What's drinking over there? I'm not the drink. Tell you 2:31:13.680 --> 2:31:14.000 I want you. 2:31:14.080 --> 2:31:14.880 You said you ain't drinking. 2:31:14.959 --> 2:31:16.199 I'm gonna say. 2:31:19.560 --> 2:31:24.320 No way, all right, Melly Mail or or keep Cowboy. 2:31:26.040 --> 2:31:31.840 Oh, this is what I'm saying, load up, scram drink. 2:31:32.040 --> 2:31:34.000 And this is is actually a positive thing we trying 2:31:34.040 --> 2:31:35.440 to bring. We want to talk about these people in 2:31:35.480 --> 2:31:37.000 a positive way. You can pick up. It's not that 2:31:37.040 --> 2:31:38.080 you're just say one. 2:31:38.040 --> 2:31:38.360 Or the other. 2:31:38.680 --> 2:31:40.760 Yeah, we're scram drink. 2:31:42.840 --> 2:31:59.000 Melly mill or keep Cowboy? Yeah Mail, Okay, you got it? Yep, 2:32:00.240 --> 2:32:02.840 cool Hirk or Bambara? 2:32:13.800 --> 2:32:25.280 Oh man, just either or either, but you could say 2:32:25.320 --> 2:32:28.240 both are neither both if you say both scrammed drinks. 2:32:29.000 --> 2:32:33.160 I'm sorry, man, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. 2:32:34.000 --> 2:32:34.760 Oh I get it now. 2:32:35.440 --> 2:32:37.240 Yeah, I'm sorry. Yeah. 2:32:38.120 --> 2:32:41.360 Look yeah, it's like we ain't we ain't going crazy. 2:32:42.240 --> 2:32:43.720 I got one hold hold on, let me, let me 2:32:43.760 --> 2:32:44.880 get me get I'm outing. 2:32:44.920 --> 2:32:49.200 I'm out. Yeah, the b Boys or the mcs. 2:32:55.280 --> 2:32:58.200 Oh man, scram o w you love you man, you 2:32:58.280 --> 2:33:02.480 can't leave do it this man, just both goad go 2:33:02.640 --> 2:33:03.680 square scare. 2:33:06.680 --> 2:33:08.320 I'm sorry, scramm sorry man. 2:33:09.120 --> 2:33:10.920 Who Dani or run DMC? 2:33:14.400 --> 2:33:15.240 You don't set me up? 2:33:16.840 --> 2:33:19.760 Oh my god, man, mascot this ship. 2:33:19.800 --> 2:33:22.280 But these guys come up in this. Get these speak English, 2:33:22.480 --> 2:33:26.080 Run run DMC, run DMC. That's cool, all right, you 2:33:26.160 --> 2:33:31.320 got it. The Beastie boys or fat boys, Oh, the 2:33:31.400 --> 2:33:34.800 beef Boys, red Alert or DJ breakout. 2:33:36.520 --> 2:33:42.520 Oh ship, I'm sorry man, Both go ahead, square square 2:33:43.400 --> 2:33:44.080 at the boil bro. 2:33:45.200 --> 2:33:47.439 I don't got no line. I've got no chasing. 2:33:48.800 --> 2:33:54.000 Nice champs. Biggie, you want some water to go with? 2:33:54.240 --> 2:33:58.960 Biggie or Big Al? What is this water? Yes? Water, 2:33:59.080 --> 2:33:59.880 so if you want to chase it? 2:34:00.080 --> 2:34:00.560 Both the ones? 2:34:03.400 --> 2:34:04.160 Well you said big. 2:34:04.520 --> 2:34:10.440 Big yet big gl Big Al, Curtis blow or slick Rick. 2:34:11.480 --> 2:34:15.720 Both go ahead, grabbed tiggity you're supposed to be doing. 2:34:15.800 --> 2:34:18.280 Let me ask you eventually, I'm drinking alcohol. 2:34:18.879 --> 2:34:21.320 You would have guessed. You'd have guessed we got a 2:34:21.400 --> 2:34:23.440 kter Go ahead, I guess and. 2:34:25.959 --> 2:34:26.320 That's right. 2:34:26.360 --> 2:34:31.120 That's right, Come on, get that. That's top alcohol going. 2:34:33.200 --> 2:34:34.880 Oh my god, only because this is an honor to 2:34:35.000 --> 2:34:38.720 be drinking. Thank you, Thank you. Crush Groove or b 2:34:38.920 --> 2:34:43.800 Street crush groove. Damn the next one I know we drinking. 2:34:43.959 --> 2:34:44.840 You would have went be Street. 2:34:45.480 --> 2:34:50.080 Let's see, let's see Primo or Pete Rock both. I'm 2:34:50.080 --> 2:34:54.600 a don't leave the witness things out there. Man, I 2:34:55.280 --> 2:34:59.800 knew he was gonna say both. Yeah, both, I'm skipping 2:34:59.840 --> 2:35:02.560 in George Clinton or Rick James. 2:35:03.640 --> 2:35:05.080 I don't know what you gotta you gotta say. 2:35:05.280 --> 2:35:06.480 You gotta say that, I gotta say that. 2:35:07.000 --> 2:35:09.040 You gotta say that both both again. 2:35:10.000 --> 2:35:12.760 Sorry, I'm sorry, man, I owe you. I'm sorry. 2:35:15.040 --> 2:35:17.480 Curtis Mayfield kind of with James Brown. 2:35:17.760 --> 2:35:20.880 Oh my god, just pick pick a better one, a 2:35:20.959 --> 2:35:26.440 better second to breathe. Yeah, you gotta say both. 2:35:26.840 --> 2:35:27.920 I have to say both. 2:35:28.640 --> 2:35:29.440 You have to say both. 2:35:29.520 --> 2:35:34.000 Go ahead, go ahead. Shot, that's okay, it's tiny shot, 2:35:34.000 --> 2:35:35.080 and you're spending tonight. 2:35:34.920 --> 2:35:39.160 Right Hey, yeah, I tell you man, I'm high and 2:35:40.040 --> 2:35:44.480 don't want to we yes, I'm fucked up right now. 2:35:44.760 --> 2:35:49.080 This is a chance for we see other shows taking 2:35:49.200 --> 2:35:49.760 this question. 2:35:50.480 --> 2:35:54.600 We don't show us up. A lot of shows, see 2:35:54.600 --> 2:35:55.200 a lot of time. 2:35:55.280 --> 2:35:55.400 Man. 2:35:56.720 --> 2:35:57.720 But it's all love. 2:35:57.800 --> 2:36:01.760 It's all just all love of my favorite fan goodies, 2:36:03.560 --> 2:36:04.840 d m X or Tupac. 2:36:09.040 --> 2:36:09.640 Great questions. 2:36:12.400 --> 2:36:13.959 M hm hm. 2:36:16.400 --> 2:36:21.480 Both Yeah, hey man, go ahead. I'm sorry. 2:36:21.560 --> 2:36:22.960 He wants you to have fun. I'm a d J 2:36:23.080 --> 2:36:26.240 to tonight, but I don't worry about it. I didn't 2:36:26.320 --> 2:36:34.199 learn I'm here with bad luck. It's not with somebody ahead. 2:36:34.640 --> 2:36:41.840 I'm drinking with you, Okay, Benz Markey or O D B. Yeah, 2:36:45.000 --> 2:36:47.400 if I thought to where you're at, chiz mark. 2:36:49.640 --> 2:36:53.240 Next one's good analog or digital? 2:36:57.680 --> 2:36:59.960 H I gotta go in my world? 2:37:00.080 --> 2:37:03.760 Man, what's the analog? Don't need to witness my bad, 2:37:03.879 --> 2:37:06.480 my bad judge. Yeah, bro, no, I did it a 2:37:06.520 --> 2:37:09.000 couple of times. Already a man along for sure. Yeah. 2:37:09.600 --> 2:37:10.440 So we're taking a shot. 2:37:11.360 --> 2:37:19.720 Get Scram Jones or Scram Jones, all three scam drones. 2:37:19.760 --> 2:37:29.440 Take a drink. Take a shot for yourself. Oh okay, 2:37:30.280 --> 2:37:33.440 look at it. L L cool j or Big Daddy. 2:37:33.480 --> 2:37:36.080 K Now, this is offensive because I'm thinking they saying 2:37:36.160 --> 2:37:37.520 light skin against brown skin. 2:37:37.560 --> 2:37:38.640 I'm thinking this what they're going. 2:37:40.360 --> 2:37:42.000 They both they both look their lives a lot. 2:37:42.360 --> 2:37:45.879 Hey yeah, both of them, both of them. Let's go. 2:37:51.800 --> 2:37:55.560 Ok this is this is lethal. This is lethal. 2:37:56.000 --> 2:37:58.920 Grab Master cast or Cool Mode. 2:38:00.080 --> 2:38:01.840 Coumo d m hm. 2:38:02.520 --> 2:38:03.879 Sounds like you still got a little smoke. 2:38:04.120 --> 2:38:13.720 I love him. Okay, you got it. 2:38:14.200 --> 2:38:22.240 Molly mak you put your head back with Molly ma 2:38:22.680 --> 2:38:25.480 or Diamond d oh ship. 2:38:27.720 --> 2:38:31.519 Both sorry, both both put them are incredible. 2:38:35.879 --> 2:38:43.520 Walk wol or dr period walk, Wow, DJ Clue or 2:38:43.600 --> 2:38:44.640 funk Master flex. 2:38:46.840 --> 2:38:51.600 God, you get political, then I can get the car down. 2:38:52.760 --> 2:38:56.000 Right, say it again. 2:38:58.160 --> 2:38:59.360 You can also say neither. 2:38:59.720 --> 2:39:02.080 That's so you can say you can say or both, 2:39:02.200 --> 2:39:05.920 or you can say or flex, d J Clue or 2:39:06.240 --> 2:39:06.879 Master Flex. 2:39:07.840 --> 2:39:10.520 He's like the last of the masters, right, funk Master. 2:39:12.200 --> 2:39:17.800 Both both? Okay, Then I got the Then I get 2:39:17.840 --> 2:39:21.440 the shot. Hey man, I'm drinking out of my cup. 2:39:21.520 --> 2:39:28.959 Now I'm switching in. I'm just look, I'm just that's 2:39:29.000 --> 2:39:29.440 a good one. 2:39:30.000 --> 2:39:43.920 Crazy rock him okay, verst one, Oh boy, both both, Marvin. 2:39:43.640 --> 2:39:51.920 Gay Movie Roberson scream Marvin who I smell it? Wow, 2:39:52.879 --> 2:39:55.320 Oh my god. I feel for you, Dog, I feel 2:39:55.360 --> 2:39:55.440 for you. 2:39:55.879 --> 2:39:59.520 Kanye West or Pharrell Williams both. 2:40:03.520 --> 2:40:04.960 I'm gonna hold you up there as soon as you 2:40:05.040 --> 2:40:06.840 know supposed to be done. 2:40:06.720 --> 2:40:12.039 Here, Goad got yeah, yeah, alright, man, you. 2:40:13.400 --> 2:40:16.039 Michael Jackson or Prince both. 2:40:17.640 --> 2:40:22.720 Double fisted, bro, No worry, man, I'm respecting from a 2:40:22.800 --> 2:40:25.560 flash two sober to to not sober. No, that's not 2:40:25.640 --> 2:40:27.640 the way this works. Come, you gotta follow the rules. 2:40:28.440 --> 2:40:36.920 He's saying, he's grand Mescenory right now. Your TV raps 2:40:36.959 --> 2:40:37.840 or video music box. 2:40:38.000 --> 2:40:40.280 Don't bring me no more. I'm getting your music box. 2:40:40.600 --> 2:40:43.040 Ralph McDaniel's we let you having you, We need you 2:40:43.120 --> 2:40:43.440 all here. 2:40:44.280 --> 2:40:48.240 Yeah, it's not it's a good question. 2:40:48.240 --> 2:41:05.920 Stevie wonder away, Charles Stream Yes, scramming man both both. Yeah, yeah, 2:41:06.040 --> 2:41:07.000 I see that coming. 2:41:07.520 --> 2:41:12.280 Oh you see that? He said you you in the 2:41:12.360 --> 2:41:15.920 djus killed that? What about you kills that shot with me? 2:41:16.000 --> 2:41:18.440 Fand oh god, I can't do that, man, I'll sleep 2:41:18.480 --> 2:41:19.920 for a week. Are you ready? 2:41:20.000 --> 2:41:20.600 I'm like, I'm. 2:41:23.440 --> 2:41:24.400 Ready to take your shot. 2:41:24.440 --> 2:41:24.640 Take it. 2:41:24.680 --> 2:41:26.000 You've got a lot of shots you ain't taken. 2:41:26.360 --> 2:41:26.760 Look at that. 2:41:27.080 --> 2:41:29.959 Yeah, but but look at if you're twenty five. Come on, bro, 2:41:30.120 --> 2:41:32.039 come on right now. 2:41:32.200 --> 2:41:35.680 Come on at least come on, come on, I'm on 2:41:35.760 --> 2:41:37.039 to the next one. You got to take at least 2:41:37.040 --> 2:41:39.400 two of those. Come on, bro, you're embarrassing us. Jamie 2:41:39.440 --> 2:41:40.920 sitting over here, You're not even come on. 2:41:41.240 --> 2:41:44.520 Jamie's like He's like, She's like, this is the work shot? Yes, ever, 2:41:45.000 --> 2:41:52.119 come on? Come on? Yeh we hard But where's my toast? 2:41:52.280 --> 2:41:52.960 You brother? 2:41:53.000 --> 2:41:56.480 You the heat man and the DJ yea, what do 2:41:56.520 --> 2:41:56.800 you say? 2:41:56.879 --> 2:41:57.320 Take the shot? 2:41:57.959 --> 2:42:00.480 You want to take the shots? Sheep, don't put me 2:42:00.520 --> 2:42:06.080 on the man. You want shot and you want shot. 2:42:06.720 --> 2:42:07.520 It's okay, you can't. 2:42:09.120 --> 2:42:09.680 Shot from. 2:42:15.040 --> 2:42:18.040 You ready about the quiller, he's livery suckers. So we 2:42:18.120 --> 2:42:23.480 could be here today, Tequila? What you not me? Bro? 2:42:24.400 --> 2:42:29.040 Your dreams Lieu Richie or Teddy puttograph it's horrible ass. 2:42:30.080 --> 2:42:32.360 That's a They both was dope right. 2:42:36.560 --> 2:42:37.680 Yo, this segment is open. 2:42:38.800 --> 2:42:43.959 We were almost over thirty more say Teddy Teddy. 2:42:44.000 --> 2:42:48.160 Okay gang star or E P M. D Oh. 2:42:49.959 --> 2:42:50.920 Come on, scram ticket. 2:42:51.120 --> 2:42:52.760 We're not gonna give you new shots and please take it. 2:42:52.879 --> 2:42:55.640 Take you're five older children. 2:42:55.360 --> 2:42:56.959 Speeding though you speaking. 2:42:57.280 --> 2:43:00.760 Chill out, chill out, You're never gonna be invited back. 2:43:04.040 --> 2:43:07.160 I called you personally. Can you come out here I'm 2:43:07.240 --> 2:43:09.520 doing I'm not gonna be good, you know, come on, 2:43:10.440 --> 2:43:14.040 come on. They're good people. They're good people. 2:43:14.400 --> 2:43:16.160 The good people ain't gonna let you shoo off front 2:43:16.160 --> 2:43:16.800 of your airline. 2:43:17.200 --> 2:43:22.080 They're good people. Taking a goddamn cherry. Come on, just 2:43:22.160 --> 2:43:25.000 take a shot. Thank you? 2:43:26.200 --> 2:43:28.080 Goes all right? 2:43:30.040 --> 2:43:33.480 Oh man trip coll quest or day lot so oh. 2:43:34.840 --> 2:43:39.680 Damn man'll slam up man A segments over Bro, No, no, 2:43:39.879 --> 2:43:43.440 come on, scrap, we're talking here. Both both yeah, man. 2:43:44.000 --> 2:43:50.440 Okay, n w wah wu tang clan, Oh my goodness both. 2:43:52.240 --> 2:43:53.920 I was gonna let you do the ice ce No, No, 2:43:54.040 --> 2:43:57.840 there's uh they got a square walk the executioners or 2:43:58.480 --> 2:44:05.040 the scratch pickles both. That's three you scraam. 2:44:05.120 --> 2:44:16.280 Come on ice Cuba, scarface, I need to yeah both, 2:44:17.600 --> 2:44:21.080 he's got enough for the for the three year limit. 2:44:21.280 --> 2:44:25.640 Three and then you got this litt you're almost you 2:44:25.720 --> 2:44:28.800 gotta take those three though, come on, I'm drinking. 2:44:32.440 --> 2:44:33.640 Drink Champs Christmas Party. 2:44:37.760 --> 2:44:40.160 Want to get back to the interview. Loyalty or respect? 2:44:41.680 --> 2:44:44.520 Mhm say both? So he could just spoilt. 2:44:44.640 --> 2:44:47.080 Man, you gotta take all all of those shots. 2:44:47.400 --> 2:44:49.400 I'm gonna take a shot with you though. Thanks for 2:44:49.480 --> 2:44:51.560 taking one one shot I took a couple. 2:44:51.720 --> 2:44:54.959 Were talked about flash we access to the heavy guess 2:44:55.600 --> 2:44:58.880 and it's almost like a cliche type of question, but 2:44:59.000 --> 2:44:59.600 it really isn't. 2:44:59.680 --> 2:45:02.560 Not we went accident to you. You want to manage it? 2:45:05.200 --> 2:45:06.400 Hey, no, sod conversations. 2:45:06.440 --> 2:45:06.920 You heard them. 2:45:07.600 --> 2:45:09.320 We're in the resource room staying there. 2:45:09.840 --> 2:45:11.039 That's just. 2:45:12.800 --> 2:45:15.480 Did you ever think that hip hop would make it 2:45:15.600 --> 2:45:16.119 this far. 2:45:18.000 --> 2:45:19.959 Back then? Like you got to see it from the. 2:45:22.320 --> 2:45:31.240 No, no, I think, especially during that error, this coat 2:45:31.360 --> 2:45:32.280 was very neat. 2:45:33.200 --> 2:45:34.320 White people always burp it. 2:45:35.640 --> 2:45:39.400 This coat was very neat and like they had they 2:45:39.480 --> 2:45:42.800 had it together. Yeah, it was pretty neat and hip hop. 2:45:42.959 --> 2:45:44.240 Even to this day it's tattered. 2:45:44.640 --> 2:45:48.520 Right. You know, we we swag a little different. We 2:45:48.640 --> 2:45:52.520 were closed a little different. We we dressed a little different. 2:45:52.840 --> 2:45:55.080 We were I this this or like this, like we 2:45:55.240 --> 2:45:57.640 do things many flavors of hip hop. Yeah, we we 2:45:57.760 --> 2:46:01.880 break the laws too much. I didn't think that a 2:46:02.040 --> 2:46:06.959 major corporation, a major situation, would say, how we're gonna 2:46:07.000 --> 2:46:10.840 take these guys who were their hats backwards, who don't 2:46:10.959 --> 2:46:15.360 dress like the average partygoer, We're gonna invest money in them. 2:46:15.920 --> 2:46:18.600 Never my wildest dreams, which you know, someone wherever I am, 2:46:18.680 --> 2:46:21.160 whether I'm in Australia or Japan or England or London 2:46:21.240 --> 2:46:26.360 or California or right here, I thank god that I 2:46:27.800 --> 2:46:30.920 see this, Like this whole shit that I did could 2:46:30.959 --> 2:46:35.200 have missed, right. But what happened was people said, what 2:46:35.400 --> 2:46:38.720 is that? So just that little bit of daylight of 2:46:39.480 --> 2:46:43.840 what is that was just saving grace for me for 2:46:44.000 --> 2:46:46.879 hip hop. This is when all the producers were coming 2:46:46.920 --> 2:46:49.760 in town, like what is this thing these kids is doing. 2:46:51.000 --> 2:46:51.520 What is that? 2:46:51.959 --> 2:46:55.200 It could have been ill and ill. I don't think 2:46:55.400 --> 2:46:57.240 none of us would be here. We will probably be 2:46:57.320 --> 2:47:00.120 doing some other shit. I'll be doing something different. I 2:47:00.160 --> 2:47:01.840 would have hated it, but I would have been doing 2:47:01.879 --> 2:47:02.440 something different. 2:47:03.520 --> 2:47:05.000 You wore a lot of spikes back then. 2:47:06.240 --> 2:47:08.640 I didn't, but yeah the crew did. Yeah, No, I 2:47:08.640 --> 2:47:13.800 didn't win no spikes. You know, you know we wore 2:47:14.000 --> 2:47:17.400 we wore a lot of leather. Lets. We know we've 2:47:17.440 --> 2:47:20.440 heard different stories. Why, but what's your take on why? 2:47:20.600 --> 2:47:23.480 That was the I think we wanted to be when 2:47:23.520 --> 2:47:27.800 we we we we idolized rock and rollers, rock and Rollers, 2:47:27.879 --> 2:47:32.640 Parliament and Parliament pumpadelic, Like they dressed one way when 2:47:32.680 --> 2:47:35.280 they went in the streets and they dressed that way 2:47:35.480 --> 2:47:36.840 when they were on stage. 2:47:36.959 --> 2:47:42.280 So we were like, let's let's not go buy leather. 2:47:43.080 --> 2:47:47.000 Let's hire somebody and fly him around the country with 2:47:47.240 --> 2:47:48.560 us to make our ship. 2:47:50.040 --> 2:47:51.440 So we had a letter name was Mickey. 2:47:51.840 --> 2:47:54.160 Yeah, I had stylist from back then. Yeah, So we 2:47:54.600 --> 2:47:57.880 like if we wanted like turquoise in black, you know, 2:47:58.040 --> 2:48:01.080 just way in that way. He would high home and 2:48:01.160 --> 2:48:03.320 then a week lady he would come with six suits 2:48:03.640 --> 2:48:06.240 boom is he French? Is black? 2:48:06.400 --> 2:48:07.920 He's black black French. 2:48:10.000 --> 2:48:16.000 You're hele the shop. He's so hard Okay, we told 2:48:16.040 --> 2:48:16.840 him close that ship down. 2:48:16.840 --> 2:48:17.400 We're gonna pay you. 2:48:17.760 --> 2:48:18.000 Wow. 2:48:18.120 --> 2:48:18.960 And he took care of us. 2:48:20.040 --> 2:48:20.600 God damn it. 2:48:20.720 --> 2:48:22.920 Man got to take a shot for that man. Take 2:48:22.920 --> 2:48:24.400 a shot. Take a shot. 2:48:28.640 --> 2:48:29.760 This is his boss side. Right. 2:48:34.920 --> 2:48:38.120 Do you like going in the studio making records or 2:48:38.200 --> 2:48:39.360 do you like performing records? 2:48:39.400 --> 2:48:39.920 What is? What is? 2:48:40.040 --> 2:48:40.960 What is what? 2:48:41.440 --> 2:48:44.840 I like doing both? Okay, I like doing both because 2:48:45.480 --> 2:48:47.959 producer records is technical and that's where I come from. 2:48:48.000 --> 2:48:51.199 That's a scientist, that mean. But then the performance side 2:48:51.200 --> 2:48:53.800 of me is the other side, all right playing, So 2:48:54.280 --> 2:48:56.400 I would say both nor here I say both. 2:48:56.959 --> 2:48:59.200 Let me ask you because like the way you broke 2:48:59.280 --> 2:49:01.000 this down, this was very scientific. 2:49:01.360 --> 2:49:03.440 This was very biology. 2:49:04.240 --> 2:49:04.280 Like. 2:49:04.480 --> 2:49:09.000 This was like this was like a science project how 2:49:09.040 --> 2:49:10.840 you broke it down. But then I got a lot 2:49:10.879 --> 2:49:15.280 of friend DJs that's dumb. How do they get over DJ? 2:49:16.400 --> 2:49:18.520 Because they're not smart? He did all the hard work 2:49:18.560 --> 2:49:22.039 for it. Oh you literally you know all this shit. 2:49:22.320 --> 2:49:24.680 And somehow it transcended to me as a d like 2:49:24.720 --> 2:49:27.280 we did all the hard work and it just all 2:49:27.320 --> 2:49:30.080 that information came to this is the top tier learn 2:49:30.160 --> 2:49:33.680 how to DJ. I don't go this. Yeah, you know 2:49:33.720 --> 2:49:35.000 how we all just screwing the ball. 2:49:35.800 --> 2:49:37.600 But we didn't fucking do all this ship for the 2:49:37.680 --> 2:49:41.000 light to turn on right the DJs afterwards. 2:49:41.000 --> 2:49:41.600 Don't get me wrong. 2:49:41.640 --> 2:49:44.480 There's DJs that are really technical, really amazing. But for 2:49:44.560 --> 2:49:46.640 the most part, he did the hard part. He created 2:49:46.680 --> 2:49:46.920 the ball. 2:49:47.000 --> 2:49:47.720 We just screwed it in. 2:49:48.480 --> 2:49:50.000 That's probably a good way to put it. 2:49:50.400 --> 2:49:53.440 Okay, okay, So basically, you ever walked into a party 2:49:53.720 --> 2:49:55.440 and the DJ is DJ and off his. 2:49:55.520 --> 2:49:57.840 I pard or his I haven't seen that yet, but 2:49:57.840 --> 2:49:58.480 I've heard about it. 2:49:58.640 --> 2:49:59.560 I haven't seen that yet. 2:49:59.680 --> 2:50:00.280 We you do. 2:50:03.920 --> 2:50:06.760 If you walked in the party right now, would you say, damn, 2:50:06.760 --> 2:50:08.040 it's come a long way? Or would you be like 2:50:08.360 --> 2:50:12.680 J mister Lee for the Dominican Republic was back there 2:50:12.920 --> 2:50:14.240 damn into his phone. 2:50:19.760 --> 2:50:24.160 The Dominican guy. Let me ask the question, would it 2:50:24.240 --> 2:50:27.119 be like a party with people dancing? DJ? 2:50:27.640 --> 2:50:29.280 But he's looking in the mirror though when he's doing it, 2:50:31.200 --> 2:50:33.040 because I can imagine you're doing that. 2:50:33.160 --> 2:50:35.040 You know, you know what I say to myself? What 2:50:35.120 --> 2:50:40.480 would you? Yeah, I'm a scientist, right and I'm always 2:50:41.000 --> 2:50:49.360 wanting this to see people push the envelope, to see 2:50:49.400 --> 2:50:51.199 somebody DJ off their iPod. 2:50:54.080 --> 2:50:55.760 What is it two iPods that one. 2:50:55.720 --> 2:50:58.760 Would be ins iPhone. Now there's no more. It's his phone. 2:50:58.760 --> 2:51:02.200 He got, he got his phone, so he's getting so 2:51:02.360 --> 2:51:04.960 he's just pretty much just playing. He's playlisting. 2:51:05.160 --> 2:51:08.640 Yeah no, they actually have little turntable apps in the 2:51:08.720 --> 2:51:09.760 phone and some people are. 2:51:09.680 --> 2:51:13.800 Actually I've never seen it, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. 2:51:13.840 --> 2:51:17.440 Yeah, showing this despicable showing I heard about it. 2:51:17.600 --> 2:51:18.200 Never seen someone. 2:51:18.280 --> 2:51:20.600 Yeah no, I've seen you in your phone from. 2:51:23.080 --> 2:51:25.760 Anybody just playing a playlist off their phone saying their DJs. 2:51:25.800 --> 2:51:27.440 That's the most disrespectful shit in the world. 2:51:27.640 --> 2:51:29.320 You at least have the app that you're doing, like 2:51:29.400 --> 2:51:31.039 a ticket ticket and then fucking. 2:51:31.360 --> 2:51:33.400 I think I've seen Shot get busy on his phone 2:51:33.480 --> 2:51:33.880 one time. 2:51:34.240 --> 2:51:35.959 I bet you, I bet you has he's a DJ 2:51:36.080 --> 2:51:38.400 bro He's yeah, he has a better Shay app. 2:51:38.560 --> 2:51:39.440 Yeah, it was a shock. 2:51:40.920 --> 2:51:44.440 Who was that's big in sports? Play for the Lakers. 2:51:45.240 --> 2:51:48.960 Point god, you know what I'm talking about. Play for 2:51:49.040 --> 2:51:51.280 the Lakers. He's a DJ, early early Lakers, when the 2:51:51.360 --> 2:51:55.560 Lakers was killing it. Magic Johnson was a DJ really. 2:51:55.879 --> 2:51:57.480 Hell yeah, he played the Pay's. 2:51:57.120 --> 2:51:59.920 Been older for twenty five years. Yeah, played for the 2:52:00.040 --> 2:52:07.440 like Magic Johnson want to DJ Jesus right now? The 2:52:07.560 --> 2:52:10.000 masic was the DJ. I didn't know that. I thought 2:52:10.000 --> 2:52:17.119 you was talking my home Russell? What Russell? I want 2:52:17.120 --> 2:52:17.680 to show up to. 2:52:19.560 --> 2:52:22.960 The breakdances? Who like I see them? I see them? 2:52:23.360 --> 2:52:25.960 You never see these motherfuckers do that crazy leg like 2:52:26.080 --> 2:52:28.840 crazy legs and and and and in the shott that's 2:52:28.879 --> 2:52:32.560 going into the Olympics. Yeah, it's incredible, like the way 2:52:32.600 --> 2:52:34.320 they contort their body. 2:52:34.120 --> 2:52:35.200 And do that ship they do. 2:52:35.680 --> 2:52:39.920 Yeah, absolutely shout out to do on concrete early Breakers, 2:52:40.080 --> 2:52:43.360 my early breakers, BAMS early breakers, and then the second 2:52:43.400 --> 2:52:46.199 tier that came along the Breakers, you know all. 2:52:47.720 --> 2:52:48.320 Absolutely one. 2:52:48.400 --> 2:52:51.120 Can we actually go go back to the convo of 2:52:52.000 --> 2:52:54.519 that's when you that's the beginning of you wanting. 2:52:54.320 --> 2:52:57.720 To continue those breaks was for the breakers, for the breakers, 2:52:57.800 --> 2:53:02.720 the breakers where the stars the rappers hadn't arrived yet, right, 2:53:03.200 --> 2:53:04.400 they hadn't arrived yet, you know. 2:53:04.920 --> 2:53:08.160 And and sorry sout, but the audience came to hear 2:53:08.320 --> 2:53:12.880 you and see them right right or you could see 2:53:12.879 --> 2:53:15.720 a Breakdan So with the boom box on any corner 2:53:15.959 --> 2:53:20.080 the Street corner doing a ship with the cardboard, with 2:53:20.240 --> 2:53:21.200 the cardboard exactly. 2:53:21.320 --> 2:53:21.920 Come look at the. 2:53:21.920 --> 2:53:22.960 Back of your shirt real quick. 2:53:23.000 --> 2:53:26.400 Please, I want to say, by the way, we get 2:53:26.440 --> 2:53:28.840 disestablished and we laced you with some drink Champs gear 2:53:28.959 --> 2:53:29.240 right there. 2:53:29.520 --> 2:53:29.920 I got you. 2:53:30.320 --> 2:53:31.480 Yes, can you read that for me? 2:53:31.600 --> 2:53:42.760 Scram First DJ to make the turntable an instrument, you know, 2:53:44.360 --> 2:53:46.680 to have a rapper that's makes no noise for that. 2:53:49.120 --> 2:53:51.840 DJ to be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Face. 2:53:54.160 --> 2:53:59.440 First DJ to be on serious ex DJ to get 2:53:59.480 --> 2:54:04.120 a Grammy. It was DDA to get a polar price. 2:54:06.480 --> 2:54:07.680 Can't you read the box? 2:54:08.120 --> 2:54:08.360 Thank you? 2:54:09.240 --> 2:54:09.600 You're good? 2:54:09.959 --> 2:54:13.080 Yeah, we got Yeah, you took a lot of them shots. Man, 2:54:13.080 --> 2:54:13.400 you're good. 2:54:14.080 --> 2:54:18.480 He took it for the culture. What do you do 2:54:18.600 --> 2:54:21.039 with your Grammy right now? Like? Do you sip out 2:54:21.080 --> 2:54:29.439 of it? Actually? I do a show on Twitch every Tuesday, 2:54:31.600 --> 2:54:35.200 New high Noon Experience and then Thursday's eight pm. Uh 2:54:36.640 --> 2:54:40.200 my Grammy is in my studio. Okay, well, well I 2:54:40.600 --> 2:54:43.880 do my show. Yeah, you know, like one is on 2:54:44.160 --> 2:54:46.240 one podium, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame one 2:54:46.360 --> 2:54:48.119 is on the left podium, the Grammys on the right, 2:54:49.200 --> 2:54:51.360 and then all the other awards are kind of. 2:54:52.879 --> 2:54:56.440 You know, uh sped around, you know, so good because 2:54:56.480 --> 2:54:59.160 k Rest said that he boycotted, not boycotted, but he 2:54:59.160 --> 2:55:02.880 didn't want to participate and the Grammys ceremonied because like 2:55:02.920 --> 2:55:04.720 forty years of hip hop. He's like, yo, that could 2:55:04.720 --> 2:55:06.520 have started at forty seven and gave us a warning 2:55:06.720 --> 2:55:08.000 and you know what I mean, And he's like, you 2:55:08.120 --> 2:55:09.920 guys just want to you want to ignore us for 2:55:09.959 --> 2:55:10.400 fifty year. 2:55:10.480 --> 2:55:12.240 But he said that he didn't feel that hip hop 2:55:12.360 --> 2:55:13.440 was fully represented in that. 2:55:13.800 --> 2:55:17.440 Yeah, like the B Boys, the Big Girls. Yeah, I 2:55:18.040 --> 2:55:22.040 mean I would agree that needs to be seen on 2:55:22.120 --> 2:55:25.760 a major network. Four elements. Nobody has done that yet, 2:55:25.800 --> 2:55:30.000 So I do respect charts KRS one four four elements 2:55:30.080 --> 2:55:33.520 is to break, Yeah, and then the fifty artist abatable 2:55:33.959 --> 2:55:37.880 and yeah, four elements and the knowledge yourself and be 2:55:38.040 --> 2:55:41.480 boxing are always like be boxing, I don't know what 2:55:41.600 --> 2:55:44.960 that is because the B boxes right there, So you 2:55:45.040 --> 2:55:50.359 think about being boxing that falls under wrapse speaking, you know, musically. 2:55:54.480 --> 2:55:57.120 Do you feel that everything for fifty Yeah, for fifty 2:55:57.200 --> 2:56:00.720 years hip hop, whether it was author or not, was 2:56:00.760 --> 2:56:02.760 it positive because you know a lot of obviously a 2:56:02.840 --> 2:56:05.800 lot of corporate interests show advantage of Oh, okay, it's 2:56:05.840 --> 2:56:07.560 hip hop fifty. So we're gonna have we're gonna do 2:56:07.600 --> 2:56:09.400 all these things. So your question is what now, Like, 2:56:09.480 --> 2:56:11.880 do you feel that it was positive in general for 2:56:12.000 --> 2:56:12.360 hip hop? 2:56:12.560 --> 2:56:12.720 Yes? 2:56:12.800 --> 2:56:13.720 I do in general. 2:56:14.080 --> 2:56:20.240 I just think that, as I said earlier, the detail 2:56:20.480 --> 2:56:25.720 of where it came from and what it took to 2:56:25.959 --> 2:56:30.080 get here has not been properly represented. And this is 2:56:30.120 --> 2:56:32.600 what I say to the PR people and to the 2:56:32.680 --> 2:56:35.440 press people, like, if you want to know like at 2:56:35.440 --> 2:56:39.080 the beginning, beginning, beginning, you got to ask somebody that's 2:56:39.080 --> 2:56:43.040 around sixty. You have to. You can't ask somebody thirty 2:56:43.560 --> 2:56:48.400 or twenty five. You just cannot. And this is why 2:56:48.520 --> 2:56:52.240 I find it critically important to speak. It's because, like 2:56:52.360 --> 2:56:54.800 I said once August twelf gifts here, it's a new trend, 2:56:55.160 --> 2:56:55.600 new shit. 2:56:55.840 --> 2:56:56.440 You know what I'm saying. 2:56:56.480 --> 2:56:57.440 No, what is it? 2:56:57.520 --> 2:56:57.680 Five? 2:56:57.760 --> 2:56:58.040 What is it? 2:56:58.120 --> 2:56:58.640 Five to twenty? 2:56:58.680 --> 2:56:59.040 Cedric? 2:56:59.120 --> 2:57:02.480 What is iteen twenty Saturday, fifteen twenty? That's herks Plax? 2:57:02.520 --> 2:57:04.800 Mine is is twenty seven thirty two we Avenue. That's 2:57:04.840 --> 2:57:05.640 a two part question. 2:57:06.120 --> 2:57:08.440 Is that actually the first hip hop party that ever 2:57:08.920 --> 2:57:09.280 was there? 2:57:09.840 --> 2:57:12.560 I didn't see it, Okay, I never I didn't see it. 2:57:12.640 --> 2:57:14.960 I don't know what's here. And I've never talked to 2:57:15.080 --> 2:57:17.760 anybody that went to this party. And I'm not saying 2:57:17.760 --> 2:57:20.520 that it didn't exist for sure, but I haven't seen 2:57:20.560 --> 2:57:24.600 anybody on the internet talk about I was there. I 2:57:25.320 --> 2:57:27.080 that's what crazy, legs, that's what crazy. 2:57:27.200 --> 2:57:29.280 He said that the discrepancy with that party is one 2:57:29.280 --> 2:57:32.800 of the biggest contested things really the history. He feels 2:57:32.840 --> 2:57:37.199 that that flyer keeps getting remixed, where people keep adding names, 2:57:37.320 --> 2:57:38.280 taking names away. 2:57:38.720 --> 2:57:40.000 Yeah, that's he said it on the show. 2:57:40.320 --> 2:57:43.800 He said that that's a contested event, like nothing it happened, 2:57:44.120 --> 2:57:46.080 but how it happened, or who involved or what. 2:57:46.400 --> 2:57:52.440 Yeah, I'd love to know who was there and how 2:57:52.560 --> 2:57:55.680 the party turned out, how many chicks were versus guys 2:57:55.720 --> 2:57:59.000 when you break it, Like, I want to know that too, 2:57:59.120 --> 2:57:59.560 Like I want. 2:57:59.480 --> 2:58:00.520 To know the mayor go around. 2:58:00.560 --> 2:58:02.280 I want to know what that technique of minds to 2:58:02.360 --> 2:58:03.280 the quick mix theories. 2:58:03.560 --> 2:58:05.920 I'd love to know, you know, what was that for 2:58:06.000 --> 2:58:08.320 us party? And what's the merry go round? 2:58:08.400 --> 2:58:10.280 When did you first hear about that party? Like when 2:58:10.440 --> 2:58:10.959 was it first? 2:58:11.480 --> 2:58:13.400 Like when did people start saying this is the first 2:58:13.480 --> 2:58:18.680 party identifying it as the beginning of hip hop, is 2:58:18.920 --> 2:58:21.800 that you remember, because that's that's crucial. You would be 2:58:21.840 --> 2:58:24.320 the one to tell us because we wouldn't know that's 2:58:24.560 --> 2:58:27.040 way before our time, right, you would say, Hey, you 2:58:27.120 --> 2:58:29.400 know what, guys, I really didn't remember this being talked 2:58:29.400 --> 2:58:31.800 about as much. And that's kind of like what Crazy 2:58:31.840 --> 2:58:33.000 Legs was kind of talking about. 2:58:33.000 --> 2:58:34.279 I don't want to I don't remember. 2:58:34.280 --> 2:58:37.720 I don't remember what he said. I can't remember because 2:58:37.840 --> 2:58:42.080 it's all rallying around that point. That's why we're celebrating fifty, right. 2:58:42.760 --> 2:58:48.400 But then if we're going to celebrate fifty, then we 2:58:48.560 --> 2:58:54.240 got to talk about the party, who was there, right 2:58:54.680 --> 2:58:59.640 where it was, what happened, and this is you know, 2:58:59.800 --> 2:59:02.520 this is probably probably why he's he's he's saying that, 2:59:02.760 --> 2:59:06.680 you know, like I would respectfully love to sit down 2:59:07.560 --> 2:59:12.120 with Hurricane, you'll sit down with his crew. That's why 2:59:12.120 --> 2:59:13.440 it's crucial that he does what you're doing. 2:59:14.000 --> 2:59:15.520 It's it's it's extremely important. 2:59:15.760 --> 2:59:20.480 And I can tell you even on my streams, I 2:59:20.600 --> 2:59:23.560 have people who were at my parties in the beginning 2:59:23.640 --> 2:59:29.240 when I was nothing. Uh, that that will tell you 2:59:29.360 --> 2:59:31.640 what my party who's like the They remind me of 2:59:31.680 --> 2:59:35.600 ship that I forgot about his Cookie Monroe, Anna Monroe, 2:59:35.840 --> 2:59:39.800 Jacqueline Tucker, like these people that are still here, and 2:59:40.400 --> 2:59:43.120 one of them actually works works with with me in 2:59:43.240 --> 2:59:47.360 my company, that remembers ship that I totally forgot. And 2:59:47.520 --> 2:59:50.040 this is was really critically important because that kind of 2:59:50.160 --> 2:59:53.560 verifies when you got the layman's and and and the 2:59:53.600 --> 2:59:56.120 party goal with saying yep, that ship was true and 2:59:56.120 --> 2:59:59.920 it's verified. I'm still yet to hear, and I love 3:00:00.120 --> 3:00:03.920 to hear who was at that first party, if it 3:00:04.040 --> 3:00:08.280 happened at the center, what happened at that center, what. 3:00:08.480 --> 3:00:08.880 Was going on? 3:00:10.280 --> 3:00:11.440 Like, what was happening? 3:00:13.560 --> 3:00:18.320 We need to know that. It's critically this happens before 3:00:18.600 --> 3:00:19.760 August eleventh. 3:00:20.120 --> 3:00:21.320 That's just my opinion. 3:00:21.360 --> 3:00:23.400 Respect August eleven for making fifty one years. 3:00:23.879 --> 3:00:26.520 After that it becomes of fifty one years and then 3:00:26.560 --> 3:00:28.760 it's over. You know, next fifty years, I ain't gonna 3:00:28.760 --> 3:00:31.360 be here, you know, So do you think I remember? That? 3:00:31.480 --> 3:00:33.960 Was another thing that Crazy Legs was playing was that 3:00:34.080 --> 3:00:35.360 hip hop is older than fifty. 3:00:37.200 --> 3:00:39.680 Yeah, he's saying because and DMC said this, he said 3:00:40.120 --> 3:00:43.640 documented hip hop, we can call it fifty. But he 3:00:43.760 --> 3:00:46.960 said hip hop was happening before that that's what even 3:00:47.000 --> 3:00:56.359 DMC was saying that, Yeah, okay. 3:00:56.120 --> 3:01:01.160 Let's define it. If we define it, guys, it's the 3:01:01.280 --> 3:01:09.360 DJ only and playing what we call bastard music. The 3:01:09.480 --> 3:01:11.920 C cuts, the D cuts, the F cuts off the album. 3:01:16.560 --> 3:01:20.880 That's where hip hop. To me, that's where we had 3:01:20.959 --> 3:01:24.280 no title. It wasn't it wasn't named yet. 3:01:24.320 --> 3:01:24.840 That's why it. 3:01:28.000 --> 3:01:34.560 Could be up for discussion, you know, because there's two 3:01:34.600 --> 3:01:37.040 ways to look at it. When it was fully formed 3:01:37.080 --> 3:01:40.879 and all four elements came into into play, that would 3:01:40.920 --> 3:01:46.520 make it me seventy four because that's when hip that's 3:01:46.520 --> 3:01:51.280 when Cowboy joined me. But if we go pre then 3:01:51.320 --> 3:01:56.560 it was just the dj M and the breakers and 3:01:56.640 --> 3:02:00.800 the graffiti artists. Coclorac says he's a rapper, but he's not. 3:02:01.000 --> 3:02:01.640 He was a DJ. 3:02:01.879 --> 3:02:05.400 I used to go watch him and if he was 3:02:05.440 --> 3:02:08.000 talking on the mic, you know with the echo, Chambers 3:02:08.600 --> 3:02:12.400 was just rambling. So there are some things that are 3:02:12.440 --> 3:02:15.800 up that a subject. And I want to give Perk 3:02:15.879 --> 3:02:18.880 all his flowers. He deserves everything that he's done. But 3:02:19.000 --> 3:02:21.880 there are some things that are up for question, and 3:02:22.000 --> 3:02:25.800 I think either all of us or one at a time, 3:02:27.160 --> 3:02:31.840 like Cochlar Rock, Timmy Tam, I think he's passed away. 3:02:32.240 --> 3:02:36.760 Clock can't the original clocks, you know, and the twins, 3:02:37.320 --> 3:02:42.400 you know, they gotta start speaking. It would be great if. 3:02:42.320 --> 3:02:45.480 It would be a lot of you guys together because 3:02:45.680 --> 3:02:48.959 you could cross reference, debate things, and hash it out 3:02:48.959 --> 3:02:49.520 of that moment. 3:02:49.920 --> 3:02:59.840 Speaking on cross referencing Wikipedia, they have been extremely just 3:03:00.040 --> 3:03:06.560 suspectful to me. There's supposed to be the standard for 3:03:06.760 --> 3:03:10.600 information for the world to see old and new. Right. 3:03:14.879 --> 3:03:18.000 They got my birthday wrong. Fifty eight supposed to be 3:03:18.040 --> 3:03:22.520 fifty seven. I was born in the Bronx. They are 3:03:23.200 --> 3:03:28.840 you know their process on how they say yes or 3:03:29.000 --> 3:03:33.920 no to something. I tried even talking with them. They said, 3:03:34.400 --> 3:03:38.040 mister Sadler, I say I did this. They say, missus Sadler, 3:03:38.320 --> 3:03:43.240 there's no reference to you doing this. I'm saying this. 3:03:44.000 --> 3:03:47.480 They can't be a reference because Wikipedia wasn't born then, 3:03:48.160 --> 3:03:50.040 So you mean to tell me all these things? And 3:03:50.120 --> 3:03:53.280 I'm telling you that I did. And they kept just 3:03:53.879 --> 3:03:56.240 as we was talking with them, they kept not being like, no, 3:03:56.600 --> 3:04:00.360 you can't the beatbox, no, the cutting, no to quick 3:04:00.440 --> 3:04:05.360 mys theory, no. Wow. So you Wikipedia is saying to me, 3:04:06.080 --> 3:04:08.880 you there's no reference to this stuff. 3:04:09.520 --> 3:04:11.960 Of course there's no reference because I didn't talk about it. 3:04:12.280 --> 3:04:14.360 I just started talking for a long time, and I'm 3:04:14.360 --> 3:04:18.640 gonna tell you why, Because talking these things and this 3:04:18.920 --> 3:04:24.640 math is geeky, and for a long time, geeks weren't cool, right, 3:04:25.040 --> 3:04:26.720 so I shut the fuck up. For a long time. 3:04:27.400 --> 3:04:30.440 Now geese ruled the world. I'm talking. 3:04:39.560 --> 3:04:44.359 So, yeah, you know, like Wikipedia, once you hiring. 3:04:44.120 --> 3:04:48.560 Me, Yeah, Wikipedia, hire motherfucking grandmaster flash, please. 3:04:48.560 --> 3:04:50.680 You hire me. I can really help you with, especially 3:04:50.720 --> 3:04:53.760 with the historical area and your process on how you 3:04:54.000 --> 3:04:56.520 say something is credible versus something that's. 3:04:56.440 --> 3:04:58.920 Not, because they allow people to go in there that 3:04:59.040 --> 3:05:02.000 are like Wikipedia approved, so they input it. But it's 3:05:02.080 --> 3:05:05.279 like like, like how can they You can't for yourself 3:05:05.320 --> 3:05:05.680 think right? 3:05:05.840 --> 3:05:06.080 Wrong? 3:05:06.320 --> 3:05:06.480 Right? 3:05:07.120 --> 3:05:10.840 They're talking in the horse's mouth like you're talking to 3:05:11.040 --> 3:05:14.760 the person. No, we're sorry, Uh, we'll get back to you. 3:05:14.840 --> 3:05:16.560 And then when we get back to them, all we 3:05:16.600 --> 3:05:19.800 couldn't find no reference. You ain't gonna find no reference. 3:05:19.879 --> 3:05:22.840 Put you on the right link when links weren't available 3:05:22.879 --> 3:05:25.400 at that time. But you know what, the references the streets, right, 3:05:26.200 --> 3:05:26.920 that's a reference. 3:05:27.040 --> 3:05:27.920 No one's gonna check you. 3:05:28.879 --> 3:05:30.240 Who's gonna say that I didn't do it. 3:05:31.000 --> 3:05:34.160 Here's the man in the science, and then I physically 3:05:34.240 --> 3:05:36.080 done it. That leads me to a thought. 3:05:36.400 --> 3:05:37.600 And I don't know if you guys brought it up 3:05:37.600 --> 3:05:39.959 before when I went to the restaurant, but is there 3:05:40.080 --> 3:05:43.520 any documentary that you would co sign and say this 3:05:43.720 --> 3:05:49.720 is the best documentary right now that tells you the history? Oh? 3:05:49.840 --> 3:05:51.640 Man, there's so many I seen ship, so many that 3:05:51.720 --> 3:05:55.880 I seen. Oh, I can't answer that question right now. 3:05:55.920 --> 3:05:57.840 There was a few that was pretty good. I think 3:05:58.160 --> 3:05:59.680 Rebel Kings was really dope. I don't know if you 3:05:59.720 --> 3:06:01.039 saw that. No, I didn't see that one. 3:06:01.240 --> 3:06:04.320 There was a man fresh dress which felt like a 3:06:04.440 --> 3:06:06.920 complimented rubble guy. I don't know everybody saw that saw that. 3:06:07.120 --> 3:06:09.280 But I felt like those two documentaries need to look 3:06:09.280 --> 3:06:10.960 at I need to look at those. It tells the 3:06:11.080 --> 3:06:13.800 Bronx history, like what was happening through the Gang Wars 3:06:14.120 --> 3:06:14.840 all hip. 3:06:15.280 --> 3:06:20.440 And I think for me, the documentary that I'd love 3:06:20.520 --> 3:06:25.160 to see is if someone paints a picture of the 3:06:25.280 --> 3:06:27.840 beginning and then slowly take it up. 3:06:27.879 --> 3:06:28.039 Here. 3:06:28.879 --> 3:06:31.280 A few of the of the documentaries I did see, 3:06:31.280 --> 3:06:35.520 they're incomplete. They're not wrong, they're just holes in it. 3:06:35.680 --> 3:06:37.680 You know you can poke holes in it because you 3:06:37.760 --> 3:06:39.160 got to say, wait a minute, if that was that, 3:06:39.680 --> 3:06:41.080 then how did that get to that? 3:06:42.320 --> 3:06:47.240 And that there? I'd love to see you ever got 3:06:47.280 --> 3:06:47.840 to be Biggie? 3:06:50.680 --> 3:06:52.000 No? Oh wow? 3:06:52.959 --> 3:06:53.680 How about Tupac? 3:06:54.720 --> 3:06:57.160 I sat next to Tupac at a gathering and we 3:06:57.280 --> 3:06:59.640 talked for a few minutes, but we didn't. 3:06:59.640 --> 3:07:00.879 I didn't to talk to these two. 3:07:00.920 --> 3:07:01.280 I would have. 3:07:03.680 --> 3:07:04.000 I think. 3:07:06.240 --> 3:07:10.640 When I heard what happened them too, I cried. I 3:07:10.640 --> 3:07:12.320 didn't really know them. I never had coffee and t 3:07:12.440 --> 3:07:13.959 with them. I know their parents, I kN know nothing, 3:07:14.120 --> 3:07:17.920 but they've done so much for the culture. 3:07:18.000 --> 3:07:18.520 I think. 3:07:21.560 --> 3:07:24.199 This thing has to stay. If it has to exist, 3:07:24.959 --> 3:07:30.800 it's just stay competitive. Nobody should lose their life over this. 3:07:32.360 --> 3:07:37.600 That there is insane, like why did they have to die? 3:07:38.560 --> 3:07:42.760 And then here is the crazy shit. Please can't find 3:07:42.760 --> 3:07:46.080 out who did what what? It's still a question mark, right, 3:07:46.200 --> 3:07:48.840 it's a conspiracy. We don't know nothing. What the fuck 3:07:48.959 --> 3:07:49.400 is up with that? 3:07:50.040 --> 3:07:53.840 Why is this they held in public places where there's witnesses. 3:07:56.080 --> 3:07:58.840 That makes me crazy? And them two going at it 3:07:59.160 --> 3:08:03.400 east and west? What's healthy to hip Hopa's healthy competition? 3:08:04.160 --> 3:08:09.320 But people losing their life come on. I tried like 3:08:09.360 --> 3:08:11.840 a baby, and I never met them personally because of 3:08:11.920 --> 3:08:14.800 what they meant to the culture. We have a big 3:08:14.879 --> 3:08:17.119 fun You ever met Big Pun I met him once 3:08:17.240 --> 3:08:20.480 for a brief period of time. I didn't get to 3:08:21.160 --> 3:08:22.360 talk to him much either. 3:08:22.640 --> 3:08:27.240 Nor if you get asked to do a party right now, 3:08:27.600 --> 3:08:32.879 and this party is sixteen to twenty one, they're saying 3:08:33.240 --> 3:08:34.240 they want new music. 3:08:35.240 --> 3:08:36.680 What is a new artist? 3:08:36.840 --> 3:08:40.800 A new artist that grand Master Flash is getting the 3:08:40.879 --> 3:08:42.320 party jumping to him. 3:08:42.560 --> 3:08:44.280 Can I be totally honest with you, Yes? 3:08:44.920 --> 3:08:45.240 Please. 3:08:46.120 --> 3:08:54.440 I have a lane, and respectfully, if I'm not an 3:08:54.640 --> 3:09:03.039 expert in what I do in my lane, I don't 3:09:03.120 --> 3:09:07.680 go near it. I don't know enough about the music 3:09:08.240 --> 3:09:10.400 that the sixteen to twenty one's love. 3:09:12.240 --> 3:09:14.520 I couldn't play a two hour set. 3:09:15.840 --> 3:09:17.720 I don't. I don't. 3:09:18.640 --> 3:09:23.840 I don't know enough to play to know this. 3:09:24.800 --> 3:09:28.160 And scram could definitely identify and you there's that nine 3:09:28.160 --> 3:09:29.800 o'clock record, and there's a record to. 3:09:29.879 --> 3:09:30.760 Hold to one o'clock. 3:09:32.840 --> 3:09:35.120 I'll probably played the one o'clock record at nine, like 3:09:35.280 --> 3:09:37.600 I will probably screw the whole fucking shit off. 3:09:38.200 --> 3:09:38.880 You know what I'm saying. 3:09:39.080 --> 3:09:41.000 My children they't tell me about records all the time, 3:09:41.040 --> 3:09:46.320 you know, and I check it. But I am not 3:09:46.560 --> 3:09:50.600 going to try to be something that i'm not and 3:09:51.360 --> 3:09:54.440 service because I'm a servant and if I can't serve 3:09:54.480 --> 3:09:57.640 you properly, then I will serve you at all respectfully. 3:09:58.040 --> 3:09:59.760 It's like one time I was hanging with Bust and 3:09:59.760 --> 3:10:04.080 I'm be paraphrasing or thinking this in a different form. 3:10:04.160 --> 3:10:06.039 So if I if I if I get it wrong, 3:10:06.080 --> 3:10:09.440 then I apologize. But bus one time someone calls him 3:10:10.200 --> 3:10:12.800 and they wanted him to perform at an old school event, 3:10:13.040 --> 3:10:14.840 and the fact that they called it old school, I 3:10:14.879 --> 3:10:17.400 don't think he wanted to participate, you know. 3:10:17.360 --> 3:10:17.760 What I mean? 3:10:17.959 --> 3:10:21.119 Hmm, because he felt like, yo' I might be old 3:10:21.160 --> 3:10:23.800 school to some, but I'm not old school, So he 3:10:23.840 --> 3:10:25.720 didn't want to participate in that. Is that something like 3:10:25.800 --> 3:10:27.920 if it's like a new school jam, like you don't 3:10:27.920 --> 3:10:30.400 want to like indulge in because no. 3:10:30.480 --> 3:10:32.040 I'm not saying I don't want to indulge in it. 3:10:32.200 --> 3:10:34.600 Don't do him. Yeah, I don't write because I'm gonna 3:10:34.680 --> 3:10:38.080 do me right. And they're gonna say, what is he playing? Yeah, yeah, 3:10:38.720 --> 3:10:41.040 I'm gonna do what we understand. I'm gonna do with 3:10:41.080 --> 3:10:43.880 everybody in this room understand what a sixteen year old 3:10:43.959 --> 3:10:44.360 gonna say? 3:10:45.840 --> 3:10:47.000 What is that right? 3:10:47.200 --> 3:10:49.840 And why are you playing that right? We don't want 3:10:49.840 --> 3:10:51.680 to hear that, And I had nothing. He has nothing 3:10:51.760 --> 3:10:55.400 to do about whether I love or hate or whatever. 3:10:55.680 --> 3:10:59.039 I don't know that music enough anything that I want 3:10:59.120 --> 3:11:02.840 to put sick my teeth into. I'm really having to 3:11:03.360 --> 3:11:06.160 master it and understand it and know it so that 3:11:06.240 --> 3:11:08.320 when I get on them ones, I know where to 3:11:08.400 --> 3:11:08.640 take you. 3:11:09.120 --> 3:11:11.120 All right, what else you got your notes? 3:11:11.200 --> 3:11:14.880 Let's let's listen all let's see. Yeah, I'll make sure 3:11:14.879 --> 3:11:17.360 we get every data. Yeah, exactly, exactly exactly. 3:11:17.959 --> 3:11:20.640 Oh, let me just. 3:11:22.280 --> 3:11:27.080 I want to make this clear. There are so many 3:11:27.160 --> 3:11:33.039 DJ techniques that has that has happened, and I want 3:11:33.080 --> 3:11:41.840 to make sure people truly understand DJ's played turntable is 3:11:41.879 --> 3:11:44.040 the right way. I don't know how to play that way. 3:11:46.000 --> 3:11:52.000 I played DJs, I played the wrong way. So there 3:11:52.080 --> 3:11:55.720 are some of the DJ techniques that I didn't create. 3:11:56.200 --> 3:11:58.840 There's a few that was a great creative by me. 3:11:58.959 --> 3:12:02.160 Because everything that's going to last has to be taken 3:12:02.200 --> 3:12:05.760 to another level. There's incredible DJs out there. What I'm 3:12:05.840 --> 3:12:13.720 trying to say to the world. Is the actual the 3:12:13.920 --> 3:12:20.640 mechanics of this putting your fingertips on the vinyl, where 3:12:20.680 --> 3:12:25.320 the vinyl has two purposes, the sound source and also 3:12:25.680 --> 3:12:31.840 used as a controller, your other hand on the fader, 3:12:32.720 --> 3:12:37.119 and the opening and closing the circuits. If you look 3:12:37.200 --> 3:12:44.440 at any DJ playing, he is using the mechanics the 3:12:44.600 --> 3:12:55.120 how too hands, whether you're going counterclockwise, forward and back, 3:12:56.120 --> 3:13:02.480 you're opening and closing the fader. These mechanics all what 3:13:02.600 --> 3:13:07.920 I invented. That is the quick mix theory that I 3:13:08.000 --> 3:13:11.640 want people to understand, the mechanics, the how to the 3:13:11.800 --> 3:13:15.200 fundamentals of what it is. I don't know how to 3:13:15.280 --> 3:13:19.680 play where they're putting the needle down. I don't know 3:13:19.800 --> 3:13:22.800 how to do. That is why I took three years 3:13:22.840 --> 3:13:27.880 of my life to reinvent DJ in the mechanics. And 3:13:28.000 --> 3:13:30.640 this led to the rapper, and this led to the producer, 3:13:30.959 --> 3:13:33.480 and this led to the big business that we are at. 3:13:35.160 --> 3:13:35.520 Right now. 3:13:37.000 --> 3:13:45.840 That's crazy, And they fact checked they said that in fact, 3:13:45.959 --> 3:13:47.360 Magic Johnson is a DJ. 3:13:47.879 --> 3:13:52.520 Oh you the checks, Yes, Google, Can I ask you 3:13:52.520 --> 3:13:52.920 a question? 3:13:53.240 --> 3:13:56.640 Okay? But before you do that, can I just can 3:13:56.680 --> 3:13:57.640 I just shout out some people? 3:13:57.680 --> 3:14:03.920 Please, let's go let's go. These people I'm going to 3:14:04.680 --> 3:14:11.760 talk about made hip Hop, Bic Business, Doctor Dre kg, 3:14:12.120 --> 3:14:15.760 Jermaine Duprie, Diamond D, The track Masters, the beat Nuts, 3:14:15.840 --> 3:14:21.600 eaz Mo, B forty five, King, Just Blaze, Timberland, Dallas, 3:14:21.680 --> 3:14:27.320 Austin wyclef, Arthur Baker, DJ Scratch, Egyptian Lover, Herbie Lovebug, 3:14:28.160 --> 3:14:33.440 The Rizza, Molly Ma, DJ Tuk, Pete Rock, Rick Rubin, 3:14:33.640 --> 3:14:37.960 Warren g j as EJ, Kick, Capri, DJ Battlecat, The 3:14:38.080 --> 3:14:43.520 Bomb Squad, Kanye West, DJ Premier, Teddy Raleigh, Manny Fresh, 3:14:44.840 --> 3:14:52.040 Q Tip. Please to give me anybody for anybody that 3:14:52.160 --> 3:14:53.840 I did not say, because I know what you guys 3:14:53.879 --> 3:14:55.600 are gonna and I'm gonna get a help for this 3:14:55.800 --> 3:14:59.320 when this thing comes out. If I had two years 3:15:01.560 --> 3:15:04.720 to mention everybody, I would, But I just want to say, 3:15:05.520 --> 3:15:07.640 these people deserve flowers. 3:15:07.680 --> 3:15:10.879 What's your question, man? My question is you just showcase 3:15:10.959 --> 3:15:11.680 what the fader does. 3:15:11.800 --> 3:15:14.400 But the fader never existed when they just had the knobs, 3:15:14.920 --> 3:15:19.040 when there was no dual turntable action going on. So 3:15:19.400 --> 3:15:21.440 what was what's up the invention of the fader? Do 3:15:21.480 --> 3:15:24.000 you have anything to do with it when it was created? Okay, 3:15:26.280 --> 3:15:30.920 let's go back in the rabbit hole. The actual terms 3:15:31.040 --> 3:15:35.640 for the faders called the panometer and the round nob 3:15:35.720 --> 3:15:36.879 is called the potentiometer. 3:15:37.320 --> 3:15:42.959 Oh shitter, you please research. 3:15:42.720 --> 3:15:45.800 It, you'll find it. It's true. Back in the day, right, 3:15:45.840 --> 3:15:46.920 the cross fader wasn't there. 3:15:47.160 --> 3:15:52.240 We were doing to up and downs, up and downs, 3:15:52.400 --> 3:15:55.600 up and down, so we ups and down ups and 3:15:55.760 --> 3:15:58.080 downs with because the faida had to come into play. 3:15:58.680 --> 3:16:00.960 I've seen the fada coming a play when it was 3:16:01.000 --> 3:16:05.080 a company by the name of Gemini. The DAC two 3:16:05.200 --> 3:16:08.760 thousand X mixer silver Face. That was my first mix 3:16:08.840 --> 3:16:09.080 in them. 3:16:09.320 --> 3:16:10.600 And when I. 3:16:12.600 --> 3:16:16.640 Made that mixer at the industry stadd Mixer, I had 3:16:16.760 --> 3:16:19.039 been looking for someone who. 3:16:19.000 --> 3:16:19.640 Has that mix. 3:16:19.720 --> 3:16:21.840 I paid them any money for them. I'm saying it 3:16:21.959 --> 3:16:25.160 on television because it's a mixer that I brought to 3:16:26.720 --> 3:16:34.520 the world. Bring it out here FN. And then the 3:16:34.640 --> 3:16:38.000 first turntables was the SL twenty three's. That is how 3:16:38.080 --> 3:16:40.840 I created the seamless loop so that Cowboy and the 3:16:40.879 --> 3:16:44.000 Boys can rhyme, you know. So these are the things 3:16:44.000 --> 3:16:45.880 I need to talk about. And the breakdancers. Can I 3:16:45.920 --> 3:16:47.200 talk about the breakdancers too? 3:16:47.280 --> 3:16:47.600 Of course? 3:16:48.000 --> 3:16:51.320 You know. Uh, let's go to the to the breakdancers, 3:16:51.360 --> 3:16:54.920 see the DJs, the Breakers, the Breakers, like the original 3:16:54.959 --> 3:16:59.560 Breakers were, they were black. 3:17:01.680 --> 3:17:02.800 And here's some of the names. 3:17:06.400 --> 3:17:16.200 Sasa, Tricksy Dancing, Doug Black, Jerry Easy, Mike, Flipping Mike, 3:17:16.879 --> 3:17:25.440 Female Breakdancers, Sister Boo, Mother Earth Janie. Then as years 3:17:25.520 --> 3:17:30.240 went on, it's where the Latins got involved, the Spanish 3:17:30.280 --> 3:17:33.680 people got involved. And here's some of the names rock 3:17:33.720 --> 3:17:40.160 Steady Crew, Dynamic Breakers, New York Breakers, Electric Boogaaloos. 3:17:43.200 --> 3:17:45.000 Here's some soloists, Future two. 3:17:44.920 --> 3:17:49.080 Thousand, Fab five, Frettie was a Breaker, Lady Pink Scene, 3:17:50.040 --> 3:17:53.680 Lee Quinnones. These are kind of people I want to 3:17:53.680 --> 3:17:57.680 talk about because they're part of the story of They're 3:17:57.760 --> 3:18:04.480 part of this whole move for me that she can't be. Yeah, 3:18:05.320 --> 3:18:09.160 and now we're right here, we drivingized cars, we living comfortably. 3:18:09.280 --> 3:18:11.119 So how did the fuck it should happen in the beginning? 3:18:11.160 --> 3:18:13.400 How did it happen? That's where I'm at. 3:18:14.480 --> 3:18:16.160 Have you ever went to a hip hop show? I'm 3:18:16.200 --> 3:18:20.760 been disgusted, like people rhyming over the vocals. They're not 3:18:21.000 --> 3:18:25.840 having no routines, you know, I think, Okay, you're talking 3:18:25.840 --> 3:18:31.280 about the performance aspect bad. I think It's extremely important. 3:18:33.320 --> 3:18:38.040 If you know your craft, know your craft with no 3:18:38.240 --> 3:18:42.800 net meaning you should not be rhyming over the vocal 3:18:42.920 --> 3:18:47.600 version right, because even if you make a mistake, that's 3:18:47.680 --> 3:18:53.240 what makes the performance so incredible. Like when jay Z 3:18:53.480 --> 3:18:57.640 was at the Garden and you tell the DJ, throw 3:18:57.720 --> 3:19:01.240 it Paul, it's the instrumental, he would say the rhyme, 3:19:01.280 --> 3:19:02.640 say the right, and he would stop rhying for a 3:19:02.680 --> 3:19:04.800 few seconds. Then he'll he'll jump back on. Just let 3:19:04.879 --> 3:19:07.880 y'all knows no net here. You know what I'm saying. 3:19:07.920 --> 3:19:11.560 So for me, you know something or you know what 3:19:11.640 --> 3:19:14.480 I what I would love to see if one of 3:19:14.560 --> 3:19:18.560 these newer rappers wrapped on one of them breaks. 3:19:19.879 --> 3:19:20.840 No, they won't. 3:19:22.040 --> 3:19:24.400 That would be because some of them, some of the 3:19:24.520 --> 3:19:28.920 rappers say they're incredible, But to see, like I love 3:19:29.040 --> 3:19:33.080 to see. I love to get Drake on a break. 3:19:33.200 --> 3:19:37.720 I love to get Nas on a break. Jay Z 3:19:37.840 --> 3:19:39.680 already knows how to do this. You know what I'm saying. 3:19:39.800 --> 3:19:41.560 Nas done it, Nas has done it. 3:19:41.600 --> 3:19:43.280 I don't know about a lot of footage, but I 3:19:43.400 --> 3:19:45.920 know Nass wrapped over breaks Drake would be dope. 3:19:46.160 --> 3:19:51.560 Yeah, I know, let it be yeah, back in then 3:19:51.720 --> 3:19:56.880 break down like, uh, what's his name? 3:19:57.120 --> 3:19:57.680 Redman and. 3:19:59.320 --> 3:20:04.160 Method Man l a cool Jay's thing them with the DJ, 3:20:04.879 --> 3:20:07.040 I said, Pucker was pulling that ship down and throwing 3:20:07.080 --> 3:20:09.600 it back in and rubbing in and it was I'm 3:20:09.680 --> 3:20:13.000 like that there, And I walked up to him and 3:20:13.120 --> 3:20:17.000 I said, that was fucking hip hop with sure and 3:20:17.080 --> 3:20:19.400 the DJ was the name escaped me, Please excuse me, 3:20:19.520 --> 3:20:24.240 but they were so when you become one with your DJ, 3:20:24.440 --> 3:20:27.440 nor when you become one with no look like you 3:20:27.480 --> 3:20:29.360 ain't got the word. You ain't gonna turn around never. 3:20:30.160 --> 3:20:31.800 You know that when you said what you say, he 3:20:31.920 --> 3:20:33.680 gonna do what he do, he got you a. 3:20:33.720 --> 3:20:36.959 Little forwards works, you know, doing the pull a painted 3:20:37.000 --> 3:20:38.920 down for one ball pulp and bring it back and 3:20:39.040 --> 3:20:39.800 you know how to do it. 3:20:40.320 --> 3:20:40.920 That's hip hop. 3:20:42.959 --> 3:20:45.879 That's when like the DJ's name was always first Eric 3:20:45.959 --> 3:20:48.119 B and Rock Cam, Jazzy Jeff in the Fresh Pins. 3:20:50.480 --> 3:20:52.600 You know that. Yeah, I think I think. I think 3:20:52.640 --> 3:20:55.600 it's an injustice to people who paid forty dollars to 3:20:55.720 --> 3:20:57.640 come in and say a hundred dollars to go see you, 3:20:58.080 --> 3:20:59.920 to talk to rhyme over your tour. 3:21:00.440 --> 3:21:02.320 Yeah, now you're just getting the parents, but you're not 3:21:02.320 --> 3:21:03.120 getting a performance. 3:21:03.200 --> 3:21:05.360 Yeah, it's not it's not it's not fair. 3:21:06.000 --> 3:21:08.400 Some people call it lip sync and it's lazy, even 3:21:08.440 --> 3:21:13.640 though it's not. Some people yea lipsticking my motive vocals. 3:21:13.720 --> 3:21:16.720 I think that rapp should run to the instrumental of 3:21:16.840 --> 3:21:19.360 the track and make a mistake if you have to, 3:21:19.920 --> 3:21:22.000 or add a new line in it, and I go 3:21:22.120 --> 3:21:25.160 back to the red do it, or go like put 3:21:25.200 --> 3:21:26.560 the mic out and let them say it. 3:21:26.760 --> 3:21:30.000 Like there's a lot of audience into your performance, and. 3:21:30.120 --> 3:21:32.080 You know, it's crazy. You know how I found that out. 3:21:32.200 --> 3:21:35.560 I did it overseas one time, and and like I 3:21:35.640 --> 3:21:38.039 had to do like an hour show. And at the time, 3:21:38.120 --> 3:21:39.720 all I was doing was like like you know, the 3:21:39.800 --> 3:21:42.160 hats or whatever. So but over there they wanted it 3:21:42.320 --> 3:21:44.320 was in the contract an hour show, so like you 3:21:44.400 --> 3:21:47.440 know in America that I'll do, you know. And as 3:21:47.440 --> 3:21:49.160 soon as I finished, I was like I killed that right, 3:21:49.680 --> 3:21:53.280 and they're like, you had the vocals, and I was like. 3:21:55.240 --> 3:21:57.120 Like the hour. I thought I was doing like an 3:21:57.160 --> 3:21:58.960 hour and they were like, yeah, we liked it, you 3:21:59.040 --> 3:21:59.520 did an hour. 3:21:59.680 --> 3:22:02.800 But and I was like, I never did that ship again. 3:22:03.760 --> 3:22:08.680 I never did that in America. Whose school be to that. 3:22:10.280 --> 3:22:12.680 Let me tell you something. Your seasonal fuck around. They 3:22:12.760 --> 3:22:17.360 take they take this hip for miss aspect of this ship. 3:22:17.760 --> 3:22:22.280 They take this fucking ship deadly, deadly like we we 3:22:22.440 --> 3:22:25.480 we we take it banished because we here. You fly 3:22:25.720 --> 3:22:30.560 with that motherfucker's ocean and you land your ship better 3:22:30.800 --> 3:22:34.480 be tight. But they gonna let you know world up. 3:22:34.800 --> 3:22:36.760 I remember one time I was I say this on 3:22:36.840 --> 3:22:39.280 the show all the time. I went to do a 3:22:39.360 --> 3:22:42.560 show and the promoter he paid us and left, and. 3:22:42.600 --> 3:22:43.640 We're like, what the fuck? 3:22:43.840 --> 3:22:45.920 And he came back because he went and did a 3:22:46.040 --> 3:22:49.760 graffiti piece with our name component No, and he comes back. 3:22:49.800 --> 3:22:51.040 It's paint all over this ship. 3:22:51.200 --> 3:22:52.320 And I want to look at him and be. 3:22:52.400 --> 3:22:56.960 Like, it's not that serious, like but like, you know 3:22:57.000 --> 3:23:01.800 what I mean in America, he really literally showed us 3:23:01.920 --> 3:23:04.760 a piece that he they love you, we don't. 3:23:05.120 --> 3:23:07.160 I think that that's the one thing that one of 3:23:07.240 --> 3:23:09.080 the other things that I think needs to happen in 3:23:09.200 --> 3:23:11.960 this country is that we need to appreciate this culture 3:23:12.440 --> 3:23:14.960 because it's appreciated around the world. It's actually one of 3:23:15.000 --> 3:23:17.560 the I would say it's one of the biggest cultural 3:23:17.640 --> 3:23:20.640 exports this country has, and it's impact the world, but 3:23:20.720 --> 3:23:24.320 we're losing our grasp on the world because they are 3:23:24.400 --> 3:23:24.920 looking at. 3:23:24.959 --> 3:23:26.480 Us as sellouts to the culture. 3:23:28.000 --> 3:23:31.760 I had a person like I was coming out the back. 3:23:31.640 --> 3:23:35.600 Door, hey man, right of the concert, and this guy. 3:23:36.440 --> 3:23:40.040 He pushing through the crowd and he takes off his 3:23:40.160 --> 3:23:40.920 fucking shirt. 3:23:41.360 --> 3:23:44.280 I'm like, shits about to hit the fan, thought, just 3:23:44.520 --> 3:23:47.480 get ready to be a real mean one. He had 3:23:47.600 --> 3:23:50.400 me he had a picture of a tattoo of Medjing 3:23:50.520 --> 3:23:52.800 on his fucking back. I thought to my knees, like, 3:23:53.640 --> 3:23:57.920 whoa you painted no fucking back, life for life. 3:23:58.320 --> 3:23:59.480 That's there for life. 3:24:00.959 --> 3:24:04.160 They take that ship so serious, Like did you have 3:24:04.160 --> 3:24:05.720 a drink with them? You have to drink with this No, 3:24:06.000 --> 3:24:11.360 I just came drink them. I jumped to the car 3:24:11.520 --> 3:24:14.080 and was like just quiet all the way to the hotel, 3:24:14.200 --> 3:24:17.840 like this motherfucker And it looked like he wanted to 3:24:17.840 --> 3:24:19.720 start a fight with me and fight backwards. 3:24:19.760 --> 3:24:27.599 But fucker said, look, boom big, No, it's truly appreciated. 3:24:28.200 --> 3:24:29.640 It's a lot thing that what the fuck? 3:24:29.760 --> 3:24:33.760 I just yeah, you gotta sign that for me. Don't 3:24:33.760 --> 3:24:35.040 tell me you don't co sign it, because then I'm 3:24:35.600 --> 3:24:38.880 come on, because I sign the record. He walked in. 3:24:39.000 --> 3:24:40.440 He threw your record. Whatever the record you have? 3:24:40.560 --> 3:24:44.280 No, no, no, my homie gave it to me with that. Well, 3:24:44.320 --> 3:24:45.600 you signed this one for me? I know you say 3:24:45.640 --> 3:24:49.480 you didn't, jus let me tell you why because we 3:24:49.680 --> 3:24:51.640 was already going. I know you said it and I 3:24:51.640 --> 3:24:55.680 already like this got record. Yeah yeah, but see you guys, 3:24:56.120 --> 3:24:59.400 you signed my figure. Jesus Christmas. What's that record? 3:24:59.440 --> 3:24:59.560 Though? 3:24:59.800 --> 3:25:00.480 You know gonna say it? 3:25:00.560 --> 3:25:03.920 What is it? He talked about? The other one was 3:25:04.440 --> 3:25:05.600 sugar Hill Record Label. 3:25:05.720 --> 3:25:07.720 Okay, that's what I prefer this. 3:25:09.760 --> 3:25:10.280 It's all good. 3:25:10.720 --> 3:25:12.039 We got a couple of the things for you decide. 3:25:12.600 --> 3:25:15.360 It's all good. You guys, enjoy yourself so far. 3:25:15.680 --> 3:25:17.800 Listen, man, this is we live in history right here. 3:25:18.480 --> 3:25:19.080 This is history. 3:25:20.879 --> 3:25:23.080 We want to just say this and I'll give you 3:25:23.160 --> 3:25:25.400 the question. Man. We wanted to do this for so long. 3:25:25.520 --> 3:25:27.560 Man, you're really you know what I'm saying. 3:25:27.680 --> 3:25:30.080 One this is one man, you know we want to 3:25:30.120 --> 3:25:33.600 do this. And March is eight years of drink jams. Yes, yeah, 3:25:34.200 --> 3:25:34.960 we can't believe that. 3:25:35.600 --> 3:25:35.840 Whoa. 3:25:36.400 --> 3:25:38.520 Yes, a lot of like just come and go because 3:25:38.520 --> 3:25:41.160 it don't last. It's a lot of work. Yes, that's 3:25:41.240 --> 3:25:42.360 a lot of world. 3:25:42.600 --> 3:25:45.320 But but but our platforms as big as a guy, 3:25:45.360 --> 3:25:47.880 whatever it is, it's always been for people like you, 3:25:48.040 --> 3:25:51.160 you know, because we are you know, I might I 3:25:51.240 --> 3:25:54.200 might be. I call myself a major label type of guy. 3:25:54.320 --> 3:25:56.400 He calls himself an independent type of guy. Okay, But 3:25:56.800 --> 3:25:59.960 besides all of that, our hearts hip hop. If you can, 3:26:00.160 --> 3:26:03.240 if you cut, you cut my skin, or you were 3:26:03.240 --> 3:26:05.080 gonna bleed hip hop. You know what I'm saying you, 3:26:05.560 --> 3:26:07.960 We're gonna bleed hip And that's really what it is. 3:26:08.040 --> 3:26:10.920 It's like we have these but it's the icons, the 3:26:10.959 --> 3:26:12.840 people who paved the way before, the people that can 3:26:12.879 --> 3:26:15.760 tell these stories like like like like even us asking 3:26:15.840 --> 3:26:18.360 about the party in Cedric and you're saying you haven't 3:26:18.400 --> 3:26:18.760 been there. 3:26:18.959 --> 3:26:21.480 Like it opens up this mysterious. 3:26:21.080 --> 3:26:22.840 Box of hip hop that like you know what I mean, 3:26:22.879 --> 3:26:25.320 Like Crazy Legs has his version, you got your version, 3:26:25.920 --> 3:26:28.480 Coohirk has his version. This band Bottle who got his version. 3:26:28.480 --> 3:26:28.920 There's so many. 3:26:29.080 --> 3:26:33.800 But the thing is it all all in this beautiful 3:26:33.840 --> 3:26:36.080 pot of hip hop. Yes, this is beautiful soup. It's 3:26:36.120 --> 3:26:39.600 in this beautiful beautiful whatever it is, it's hip hop. 3:26:39.720 --> 3:26:40.480 You you know what I'm saying. 3:26:40.879 --> 3:26:43.440 And when we get pillars like you would get legends 3:26:43.480 --> 3:26:45.600 like you would get I cars like you. It's like, 3:26:46.000 --> 3:26:48.000 I think, this is one of the most quietest I've 3:26:48.000 --> 3:26:48.720 ever been, And. 3:26:48.800 --> 3:26:50.000 It was you guys. 3:26:51.120 --> 3:26:53.560 It wasn't because I was quiet because I didn't have 3:26:53.680 --> 3:26:55.760 things to say. It was quiet because I was soaking 3:26:55.879 --> 3:26:58.560 up the knowledge. And as much as I've been I 3:26:58.680 --> 3:27:00.959 still learn things, like I'm they'll learn it so much. 3:27:01.000 --> 3:27:02.800 It's so beautiful to see you. 3:27:03.160 --> 3:27:06.160 Just and and then a lot of these people, you know, like, 3:27:06.480 --> 3:27:08.280 it's so good to see you in great spirits. It's 3:27:08.320 --> 3:27:09.880 so good to see you, you know what I mean, 3:27:10.120 --> 3:27:13.920 spreading the hip hop because so many people, like like 3:27:14.040 --> 3:27:16.480 some of your your statesmen, you know, they don't they 3:27:16.520 --> 3:27:18.800 don't open theyself up to people, you know what I mean. 3:27:18.840 --> 3:27:20.760 They're like, you know what, I'm a part of the 3:27:20.879 --> 3:27:23.080 royal family. Fuck you. You know what I'm saying. I'm 3:27:23.080 --> 3:27:25.840 saying so it's it's vice versa, like, oh no, I 3:27:25.879 --> 3:27:28.640 feel it's critically important that this, this, this, this this 3:27:29.080 --> 3:27:32.160 information gets shared because you know, once again Wikipedia. 3:27:31.879 --> 3:27:33.240 This is not on the internet. 3:27:33.360 --> 3:27:34.880 This is not a lot of this stuff that that 3:27:35.160 --> 3:27:36.320 I talked about today. 3:27:36.640 --> 3:27:37.440 Was not on the internet. 3:27:37.560 --> 3:27:40.480 Is because I didn't talk right, you know, and Bam 3:27:40.520 --> 3:27:42.360 will say the same thing. A Hurdles say the same thing, 3:27:42.440 --> 3:27:44.800 and Breakout will say that say say the same thing. 3:27:44.879 --> 3:27:47.640 You know. And it's wonderful to have platforms like this 3:27:47.920 --> 3:27:51.320 because there's a lot of new type platforms out there, 3:27:51.760 --> 3:27:54.840 So a platform like this to say, let us play 3:27:54.920 --> 3:27:57.640 honor to the people who did things that have passed right, 3:27:58.840 --> 3:27:59.560 it's wonderful. 3:28:03.560 --> 3:28:05.760 Before I think, I want to add to what Nora 3:28:05.879 --> 3:28:08.080 was saying, it's what I think is what we're trying 3:28:08.120 --> 3:28:10.400 to do was critically important to hip hop. I think 3:28:10.520 --> 3:28:14.520 right now most importantly is that we steer people away 3:28:14.680 --> 3:28:17.600 that the young generation that looks at at at social 3:28:17.720 --> 3:28:21.879 media numbers to dictate who are the leaders of the culture. 3:28:22.560 --> 3:28:26.879 This is why just just numbers in social media, that's 3:28:26.959 --> 3:28:30.039 that doesn't matter, because what taught us is I remember 3:28:30.120 --> 3:28:33.720 listening to artists speak about what was going on before 3:28:33.840 --> 3:28:35.440 I even understood what was going on. And you know 3:28:35.440 --> 3:28:37.480 what I'm saying, like like, I'm not from the generation 3:28:37.600 --> 3:28:39.360 that you guys came up in, but there was the 3:28:39.440 --> 3:28:41.960 artist I was listening to, my OG's in a sense 3:28:42.080 --> 3:28:43.640 telling me, no, these are the people that I grew 3:28:43.720 --> 3:28:46.480 up on, so I respect them. Therefore I respect you. 3:28:46.640 --> 3:28:48.680 Then I dig in the crates I found out about you. 3:28:49.040 --> 3:28:51.560 Then you are you know who you are in my mind. 3:28:51.920 --> 3:28:53.960 We need to do that. We need to elevate the 3:28:54.360 --> 3:28:55.320 real leaders. 3:28:55.000 --> 3:28:58.600 Of the culture, not that social media or popular whatever 3:28:58.879 --> 3:28:59.400 dictate this. 3:28:59.840 --> 3:29:00.640 You You are the leader. 3:29:00.800 --> 3:29:02.560 Thank you, Thank you so much, so much. 3:29:02.640 --> 3:29:05.280 Up man, Well, I got to give you my flower 3:29:05.400 --> 3:29:06.240 your flowers too. 3:29:07.040 --> 3:29:09.600 You know, you invented hip hop, you invented you invent 3:29:09.720 --> 3:29:13.480 hip hop, you invented rap music, and you invented turntablism, 3:29:13.600 --> 3:29:15.400 and that's what I've been obsessed with my whole life. 3:29:15.440 --> 3:29:16.119 And thank you man. 3:29:16.280 --> 3:29:18.640 You are incredible in them once baby, thank you man. 3:29:18.800 --> 3:29:21.080 But but it's just crazy that you actually it's actually 3:29:21.160 --> 3:29:24.760 surreal that you invented what we do in them turntables, 3:29:24.800 --> 3:29:27.760 and you invented rap music because it would be nobody 3:29:27.879 --> 3:29:30.080 rapping over the breakbeats if you wasn't bringing them back 3:29:30.120 --> 3:29:32.200 and passing the mic off the cowboy or whatever. So 3:29:32.600 --> 3:29:34.320 it's kind of surreal when you really think of that. 3:29:34.520 --> 3:29:36.720 That's just the dumb it down for the listeners like you. 3:29:37.040 --> 3:29:39.119 You are the number one inventor. I'm just gonna give 3:29:39.120 --> 3:29:41.119 you that. You know what I'm saying, you Thomas Citizen, 3:29:41.240 --> 3:29:42.240 So you know what I'm saying. 3:29:42.240 --> 3:29:45.800 I just want to say that not beating around the boat. 3:29:45.920 --> 3:29:50.000 Supposed to dude that invented the peanut. Oh yeah we 3:29:50.120 --> 3:29:50.879 have George. 3:29:50.560 --> 3:29:54.680 Warstone Washington car. Yeah, yeah, you like. 3:30:02.000 --> 3:30:06.240 So I got two questions and jumping around, but all 3:30:06.320 --> 3:30:09.640 your stories was in the Bronx. My question is what 3:30:09.800 --> 3:30:12.119 was your relationship with the other Burroughs. What was going 3:30:12.160 --> 3:30:14.000 on with hip hop? Did you was you tapped into 3:30:14.120 --> 3:30:16.039 Queens and Brooklyn and stan Island? 3:30:16.240 --> 3:30:17.000 What was they doing? 3:30:17.120 --> 3:30:19.920 Or would you even or you in your own little bubble, 3:30:20.560 --> 3:30:20.800 you know what. 3:30:20.800 --> 3:30:21.920 I'm saying, like what we did? 3:30:22.000 --> 3:30:23.959 You even know what was going on in Queens, Brooklyn, 3:30:24.000 --> 3:30:27.080 steyn Island? Good question? Okay, and this is I think 3:30:27.120 --> 3:30:33.440 I said this earlier. Well, Hollywood did Hollywood. Hollywood would 3:30:33.440 --> 3:30:37.440 do five parties in one night. So what we started 3:30:37.520 --> 3:30:41.720 doing was renting a sound system that wasn't ours, cause 3:30:41.840 --> 3:30:43.480 that's what takes the longest to take it apart and 3:30:43.520 --> 3:30:49.240 no ship, renting a sound system, renting other DJs and 3:30:49.879 --> 3:30:52.920 hip hop groups. We would perform for like an hour, 3:30:53.560 --> 3:30:58.480 jump in a car go to Queens play, jump in 3:30:58.560 --> 3:31:03.480 a car play Brooklyn, So we knew what the five 3:31:03.680 --> 3:31:08.360 boroughs was doing. It's just that the major ones, which 3:31:08.440 --> 3:31:14.480 was hurt myself, Bam, breakout, a lot of us didn't 3:31:14.480 --> 3:31:19.080 move around like that. I definitely moved around to see 3:31:19.520 --> 3:31:22.440 who was going to be the next Kingpins in Harlem 3:31:22.440 --> 3:31:24.920 because they were right next door to us. And then 3:31:25.000 --> 3:31:28.600 from from there it went to Brooklyn and then from 3:31:28.680 --> 3:31:30.120 there it went to Staten Island. 3:31:30.520 --> 3:31:32.720 So all these ladys you see where they way behind 3:31:32.760 --> 3:31:35.039 the bronx, so they was they was had their own 3:31:35.040 --> 3:31:35.640 little movement. 3:31:36.600 --> 3:31:37.520 This is what I would hear. 3:31:37.959 --> 3:31:41.840 We heard the tapes and hearing the concess tapes, who 3:31:41.959 --> 3:31:44.240 was asking ourselves how the fuck is he doing that? 3:31:46.160 --> 3:31:49.200 That's how the world got around. When we got near 3:31:49.280 --> 3:31:51.440 town to plays like we want to see you do 3:31:51.680 --> 3:31:56.359 that live? Because on the mixtapes this ship sounded impossible 3:31:56.480 --> 3:32:00.440 to do. So that was like our audio flyer and 3:32:00.480 --> 3:32:02.320 that played a major role that allowed me to go 3:32:02.480 --> 3:32:05.959 to different boroughs and get an interest on we want 3:32:06.000 --> 3:32:08.200 to go see these motherfuckers do these ship live? And 3:32:08.360 --> 3:32:12.680 we did. So that's how we started to figure out 3:32:12.920 --> 3:32:15.640 what was buzzing in the other boroughs. But were they 3:32:15.760 --> 3:32:18.560 following the Bronx or day or they just they were 3:32:18.600 --> 3:32:20.680 following the Bronx because they knew what we was doing. 3:32:20.879 --> 3:32:24.360 They like, we was listening to y'all tape copy. You 3:32:24.400 --> 3:32:26.520 know what I'm saying. That's how they figured out what 3:32:26.600 --> 3:32:28.640 we was doing. If they weren't able to make it 3:32:29.280 --> 3:32:32.400 to the Bronx, the tapes was the next translator on 3:32:32.600 --> 3:32:34.840 how we were doing what we were doing in the Bronx. 3:32:35.320 --> 3:32:36.199 So another question. 3:32:36.280 --> 3:32:39.480 A lot of people got their flowers yourself, cool heart, 3:32:39.560 --> 3:32:41.440 But obviously ban Boda was excluded. 3:32:41.520 --> 3:32:43.320 You think you should have been excluded this year due 3:32:43.360 --> 3:32:43.920 to what was going on. 3:32:44.000 --> 3:32:45.920 Would never exclude him? Now, let me tell you you 3:32:46.040 --> 3:32:48.480 didn't exclude him. I'm talking about the masses. I didn't 3:32:48.520 --> 3:32:49.879 see any tributs, not even. 3:32:49.800 --> 3:32:50.240 Right about that. 3:32:50.400 --> 3:32:51.160 Let me tell you something. 3:32:52.120 --> 3:32:56.240 I still don't know how that that case, let's call 3:32:56.320 --> 3:32:58.960 it that case, how it's going to turn out, on 3:32:59.080 --> 3:33:05.080 what's going to happen. But you can't deny history. I cannot. 3:33:07.520 --> 3:33:10.560 It'd be a big hole in this story if I 3:33:10.720 --> 3:33:14.840 took him out of the mix of me speaking, it'd 3:33:14.879 --> 3:33:17.560 be and if somebody would catch me out there okay, 3:33:17.600 --> 3:33:19.680 well when the gangs were around, what were you doing then? 3:33:20.320 --> 3:33:22.920 When on my line say oh, all the gangs was 3:33:22.959 --> 3:33:27.440 in it? No, bam turned him around. It's just he 3:33:27.600 --> 3:33:30.280 plays a major role in this ship man and the 3:33:30.400 --> 3:33:34.360 situation that he's in. I can't judge it. I am 3:33:34.440 --> 3:33:37.920 not a lawyer, I'm not whatever. Whatever, whatever it was 3:33:38.000 --> 3:33:42.520 and how it happened, he played a major role. He 3:33:42.680 --> 3:33:49.880 is a king in this culture, hands down. Last question, Blondie, 3:33:50.920 --> 3:33:53.440 how did you meet her? Was she the first female rapper? 3:33:53.879 --> 3:33:56.000 What was the whole thing with Blondie? Shatrock was the 3:33:56.040 --> 3:34:00.400 first film? No, I know how that went down. Fam 3:34:00.480 --> 3:34:03.480 Pire Praider used to come to my parties and he says, Yo, 3:34:03.640 --> 3:34:07.040 I got some friends and soho. You know Blondie you know, 3:34:07.440 --> 3:34:09.600 and her husband. You know, they're good friends of mine, man, 3:34:09.760 --> 3:34:11.400 and you know, one day I'm gonna bring them up. 3:34:11.640 --> 3:34:13.880 I'm like, get the fuck out here. He's like, yeah, man, 3:34:14.160 --> 3:34:16.400 these are my friends. I'm like, really. 3:34:19.640 --> 3:34:20.400 He kept his word. 3:34:22.320 --> 3:34:28.240 She seen me and she made it absolutely clear to Freddy, 3:34:29.959 --> 3:34:33.520 I'm going to write a song about the way he 3:34:34.400 --> 3:34:38.520 does those things on the turntable. Freddie told me, I'm like, 3:34:39.440 --> 3:34:41.800 hit the fuck out here and all of a sudden 3:34:41.920 --> 3:34:44.440 in between, like when you record an album, you rest. 3:34:44.959 --> 3:34:47.280 You can record an album and then you rest during 3:34:47.280 --> 3:34:48.880 the rest perty people say, yo, you got a record. 3:34:48.959 --> 3:34:49.640 I said, noah, we. 3:34:51.120 --> 3:34:54.879 Be resting. There's some record with some women talking about 3:34:54.959 --> 3:35:01.000 cars and bars, and I'm like, what's And then when 3:35:01.040 --> 3:35:04.199 I heard it, I'm like, oh shit. She kept her word. 3:35:05.680 --> 3:35:08.680 She called sugar Hill and asked them can I be 3:35:08.800 --> 3:35:11.680 in a video? And sugar Hill said no, oh wow, 3:35:12.200 --> 3:35:13.760 oh yeah, you weren't in that video. I seen him 3:35:13.760 --> 3:35:17.480 and that's why the other one other person played the 3:35:17.560 --> 3:35:20.080 role in that. And I say this over and over 3:35:20.120 --> 3:35:23.640 again because what would have happened is and if I 3:35:23.680 --> 3:35:27.480 had got on that video, the DJ world would have 3:35:27.520 --> 3:35:33.160 went to the moon to Pluto because I would have 3:35:33.160 --> 3:35:36.680 definitely took that light. And I just said, yo, it's 3:35:36.760 --> 3:35:39.480 like five hunch of ball bus. Motherfucker's back home. Boom boom, 3:35:39.520 --> 3:35:42.880 boom poomo. This the holy shit mainstream mainstream boom. 3:35:43.520 --> 3:35:46.320 But she said no, So I never got on that. 3:35:46.480 --> 3:35:51.080 But I thank Blondie for bringing me into white people 3:35:51.280 --> 3:35:54.400 and Germany people and that other world I needed. I 3:35:54.440 --> 3:35:56.039 needed to get in that world because I didn't want 3:35:56.080 --> 3:35:59.800 this thing to just be just black or just Latin. 3:36:00.000 --> 3:36:01.640 What year was that though, I'm just trying to like 3:36:01.680 --> 3:36:04.959 put it in. Shot Rocks, shot Rock with the seventies, 3:36:05.000 --> 3:36:08.840 so brodid yeah, early eighties. Yeah, it was not you 3:36:08.879 --> 3:36:10.720 know when we're making records now, we're in the record 3:36:10.760 --> 3:36:13.400 business now. Is that close to when I was Philo 3:36:14.600 --> 3:36:19.560 Walstole Probably was a few years back from that from that, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 3:36:19.600 --> 3:36:21.400 Shout out and shout out to Charlie with that man 3:36:21.440 --> 3:36:23.960 to do, to come in and do what he did. 3:36:24.560 --> 3:36:26.040 Uh, that was wonderful as well. 3:36:26.200 --> 3:36:28.400 And I can remember I was standing there all day 3:36:28.440 --> 3:36:32.200 waiting to get shot, and then started raining and Charlie 3:36:32.280 --> 3:36:34.600 had to return the camera back. It was a Sunday hit, 3:36:34.959 --> 3:36:39.960 return the camera back to the movie house Monday, so 3:36:40.480 --> 3:36:42.800 they had to drop me off home. We never got 3:36:42.840 --> 3:36:47.920 to shoot me. The shooting team, the producers team says, 3:36:47.959 --> 3:36:50.720 we got to use the bathroom. It shull come upstairs 3:36:51.840 --> 3:36:58.760 Cyprus Avenue on thirty A Street. The shooter says, you know, Charlie, 3:36:58.800 --> 3:37:03.600 who's a producer, why don't you shoot flash right there? 3:37:04.440 --> 3:37:07.360 Charlie says, right where? Because I had the kitchen and 3:37:07.440 --> 3:37:10.840 had a cutout. You can look into the kitchen from 3:37:11.000 --> 3:37:14.480 the living room and the counter was right there. So 3:37:14.680 --> 3:37:18.960 the shooter says, let's shoot flash right there. Charlie says, 3:37:19.040 --> 3:37:20.800 this is not gonna work. He says, yes, it could work. 3:37:21.160 --> 3:37:23.000 So they shut up. Shout up all the cameras. 3:37:23.760 --> 3:37:27.400 I cut bondi gras and that came one of the 3:37:27.440 --> 3:37:33.119 biggest scenes in the whole the whole movie. So shout 3:37:33.160 --> 3:37:36.800 out to Charlie, you know. And that's another story that 3:37:36.840 --> 3:37:39.240 needs to be one of the first representations on film, right, 3:37:39.520 --> 3:37:42.480 absolutely the first, absolutely the first. And he can't enough 3:37:42.520 --> 3:37:44.800 to come into the Bronx and film us. You know, 3:37:45.640 --> 3:37:48.200 it's it's a wonderful thing. And with fifty years from now, 3:37:48.720 --> 3:37:51.600 the kid's gonna look at this and they're gonna say, 3:37:52.160 --> 3:37:55.880 oh shit, they came back and looked, you know, because 3:37:55.920 --> 3:38:00.200 it's like you said, either we allow the powers that 3:38:00.400 --> 3:38:06.840 be to rewrite the narrative or you go find that 3:38:06.920 --> 3:38:09.040 people who wrote the narrative and let them tell you 3:38:09.520 --> 3:38:13.840 the narrative. And that makes this place, this thing you 3:38:13.959 --> 3:38:17.120 guys are doing. Thanks so wonderful, Thank you soul. 3:38:17.240 --> 3:38:22.400 So a director comes to you, see for lack of 3:38:22.760 --> 3:38:26.640 for the first person, I think of Opportuno and Antoine 3:38:26.680 --> 3:38:31.880 foul Quad Okay, together, it comes to you and says, flash, 3:38:32.879 --> 3:38:36.240 I want to do a movie about hip hop? Is 3:38:36.320 --> 3:38:40.400 this movie about you by yourself? Or is this movie 3:38:40.760 --> 3:38:43.199 the four people You've been naming this whole time. 3:38:43.080 --> 3:38:44.480 Always some four people, but it's not. 3:38:46.160 --> 3:38:48.560 Let me finish my question, because this is now we're 3:38:48.560 --> 3:38:52.880 getting the lucrative park. Go ahead, because they're saying, Yo, 3:38:54.200 --> 3:38:55.600 do you want a movie about hip hop? 3:38:56.800 --> 3:38:58.920 We don't mind if it's you or it's four. 3:38:59.320 --> 3:39:03.600 If it's you, you eat this whole bag, whatever this bag. 3:39:03.560 --> 3:39:05.880 Is, but you will. 3:39:06.080 --> 3:39:08.880 We can take the story for you from your from you, 3:39:09.120 --> 3:39:10.720 and you can break down these four stories if we 3:39:10.760 --> 3:39:13.160 can get it from you. Or do you want to 3:39:13.280 --> 3:39:16.200 consult these other two these other three people? Do you 3:39:16.280 --> 3:39:17.960 consult them? Or do you take the whole bag and 3:39:18.000 --> 3:39:19.400 say I'm another story position? 3:39:20.200 --> 3:39:23.560 No, I go get them and I split the back up. 3:39:23.600 --> 3:39:26.200 I have to, Okay, I have to because you know 3:39:26.680 --> 3:39:28.560 the reason why I have this, Because I don't have 3:39:28.680 --> 3:39:34.119 to complete, complete, complete, Yeah, I don't have that story 3:39:34.200 --> 3:39:37.120 I have. I have what I've seen in public, but 3:39:37.480 --> 3:39:40.920 I don't know Mom and Dad, their mom and Dad's story. 3:39:41.280 --> 3:39:44.000 I need I need that, and then we have our 3:39:44.120 --> 3:39:48.439 second tiers. They play a major role to continue to push. 3:39:48.240 --> 3:39:48.720 It as well. 3:39:49.120 --> 3:39:50.480 So I'd have to put back and say you this 3:39:50.600 --> 3:39:53.280 is what it is. All right, do we do this together? 3:39:53.480 --> 3:39:53.840 Do we not? 3:39:54.120 --> 3:39:56.160 I want us to sit down for free. And I've 3:39:56.160 --> 3:39:57.680 been saying this year for you guys, need to do, 3:39:58.480 --> 3:40:00.400 need to do. I would love for us to be 3:40:00.520 --> 3:40:03.080 somehow involved in this and to put the cameras wherever 3:40:03.200 --> 3:40:04.320 and just let us just talk. 3:40:04.959 --> 3:40:07.959 It's Mount Rushmore. Just call it the Mount Rushmore with your. 3:40:07.920 --> 3:40:11.880 Four This would be absolutely wonderful because I'm sure that 3:40:12.040 --> 3:40:17.480 our stories run parallel some way, or somehow it runs parallel, 3:40:17.800 --> 3:40:21.320 and then for you guys that are watching, it'll all 3:40:21.480 --> 3:40:25.600 come together like, oh, that connected to that, to that 3:40:25.680 --> 3:40:28.240 connected to that, and that connected to that, and that's 3:40:28.280 --> 3:40:32.039 why that is that and that's what you don't have yet. 3:40:32.080 --> 3:40:35.640 We don't have that story where we're all there. Pork 3:40:35.800 --> 3:40:37.520 is not well, but he's got a team of people. 3:40:38.280 --> 3:40:40.600 Bamits in a situation. He's got a team of people. 3:40:41.240 --> 3:40:44.520 Break out, bring yourself, bring my team, and let's just 3:40:44.600 --> 3:40:49.760 sit here and just have I like eight fish only 3:40:50.160 --> 3:40:52.600 this get me some lobsters and crabs and the ship, 3:40:53.160 --> 3:40:55.880 lots of that, and I'm good. We need to commit 3:40:55.959 --> 3:40:59.720 to that. We need to come in. That could be 3:40:59.760 --> 3:41:03.720 a chance presents the guy you got you got to be, 3:41:05.360 --> 3:41:06.560 but you got to be the gods. 3:41:07.080 --> 3:41:08.560 I want to comm into us trying to make that 3:41:09.000 --> 3:41:10.920 we definitely, but let me ask you right because me 3:41:10.959 --> 3:41:12.760 and if it is something that we have been saying 3:41:12.920 --> 3:41:14.920 since we started the show as well, is that hip 3:41:14.959 --> 3:41:15.400 hop can have. 3:41:15.480 --> 3:41:17.080 Our own union, right, you know what I mean? 3:41:17.120 --> 3:41:19.400 Other than all sports and all the all the other 3:41:19.720 --> 3:41:24.040 you know people entertainers other than boxing, hip hop is 3:41:24.080 --> 3:41:31.359 the only other like entertainment, uh form that doesn't have unions. 3:41:30.920 --> 3:41:33.400 And union when you mean my union like sag like 3:41:33.480 --> 3:41:34.199 a sag. 3:41:34.040 --> 3:41:37.360 Yeah, yeah, like insurance saying you know, like a sad too, 3:41:37.520 --> 3:41:39.120 like a sad actors. 3:41:39.160 --> 3:41:40.760 You can let me do the question back at you 3:41:41.040 --> 3:41:43.680 would be what would be the duties of this union 3:41:44.400 --> 3:41:47.880 to take care of our people if you need. I mean, 3:41:48.120 --> 3:41:48.840 this is what I would. 3:41:49.040 --> 3:41:51.840 Okay, let me expand on that. I love this. I 3:41:51.959 --> 3:41:52.920 love this cool. 3:41:53.080 --> 3:42:00.080 If we can make a union that would put re 3:42:00.160 --> 3:42:05.320 lease our own if a person is in trouble. He's 3:42:05.400 --> 3:42:10.840 getting in trouble. Send him to the union. Like there's 3:42:10.920 --> 3:42:14.879 too many rappers. You can see them on their way 3:42:15.000 --> 3:42:16.879 to going to prison. 3:42:17.800 --> 3:42:18.840 From their own rights. 3:42:20.640 --> 3:42:21.720 We got right. 3:42:23.280 --> 3:42:26.600 The car crash. Before the car crash, let's grab said 3:42:26.640 --> 3:42:29.520 hello because some of the because some of these hip 3:42:29.560 --> 3:42:32.960 hopis may not have elders people around him and say listen, 3:42:33.520 --> 3:42:36.880 you know you're getting ready to crash. If we can 3:42:36.959 --> 3:42:39.320 police our own, a lot of the ship that happens 3:42:39.360 --> 3:42:42.920 today would not happen. That's just how I see it. 3:42:43.120 --> 3:42:46.040 We should police our own. It's a great, great idea. 3:42:46.920 --> 3:42:50.879 Nor hopefully before I leave out of here, I would love. 3:42:50.760 --> 3:42:53.920 To see Chuck Dee and Kris and I think Curtis 3:42:53.959 --> 3:42:58.440 blow they created something, and Kimming just well that's not 3:42:58.640 --> 3:42:59.680 that created that fund. 3:43:00.200 --> 3:43:03.000 But see, but what I love about what NAG is doing. 3:43:03.040 --> 3:43:06.440 I think it is absolutely wonderful. It's beautiful. I think 3:43:06.480 --> 3:43:10.080 it's so beautiful. But there's so many people, that's the thing, 3:43:10.760 --> 3:43:14.920 that are much more needy. With Rock cam Worth that absolutely, 3:43:15.080 --> 3:43:22.600 Scott is worth that, absolutely, but there are three other 3:43:23.160 --> 3:43:33.120 elements of people that don't have that are struggling doing that. 3:43:33.840 --> 3:43:37.000 And if he'd had done it the full the full 3:43:37.080 --> 3:43:38.720 element way wouldn't. 3:43:38.360 --> 3:43:39.640 Make that ship so much. 3:43:40.800 --> 3:43:44.560 There's a lot of unsung heroes that need their dues. 3:43:44.640 --> 3:43:45.879 And then the reason why I. 3:43:45.879 --> 3:43:48.240 Think SAG is such a good example of of of 3:43:48.360 --> 3:43:52.320 a type of union is because SAG is whatever you 3:43:52.680 --> 3:43:55.080 give to give into SAG, you get out of SAG. 3:43:55.200 --> 3:43:58.680 So that allows everybody at every level of hip hop 3:43:58.879 --> 3:44:01.920 to be a part of this union. Wow, SAG even 3:44:02.000 --> 3:44:04.199 has and I mean again, I don't know one hundred percent. 3:44:04.440 --> 3:44:07.480 I'm not a scholar. I actually just joined SAG recently. 3:44:07.879 --> 3:44:11.280 But they have housing for like be actors that never 3:44:11.520 --> 3:44:14.480 made it big in Hollywood that when they become homeless, 3:44:14.520 --> 3:44:16.880 if they become homeless, they can live in these homes. 3:44:17.320 --> 3:44:17.760 Thank god. 3:44:17.879 --> 3:44:18.320 Oh wow. 3:44:18.520 --> 3:44:20.440 But you know, as long as they their dudes were, 3:44:20.480 --> 3:44:22.640 you know, they had they were members cer certain amount 3:44:22.680 --> 3:44:25.040 of time. So I think that SAG is a good 3:44:25.080 --> 3:44:26.560 thing for us to look and I think that that 3:44:26.840 --> 3:44:27.760 the chuck them. 3:44:27.640 --> 3:44:29.280 Aligned with SAG in some way. 3:44:29.640 --> 3:44:31.480 I think we need some But the problem is is 3:44:31.520 --> 3:44:35.200 that it's such a big undertaking that you need someone 3:44:35.280 --> 3:44:39.000 that's well schooled in finance and banking and insurance to 3:44:39.120 --> 3:44:40.359 be able and nobody. 3:44:40.160 --> 3:44:42.840 Like we all talk it. Yeah, but to do the 3:44:42.879 --> 3:44:46.480 mechanics of that, that's it nothing to killer. Mike could 3:44:46.520 --> 3:44:47.760 do it. I love killing killing. 3:44:48.440 --> 3:44:50.720 I love kill them, killed them all the money, go ahead. 3:44:50.879 --> 3:44:53.760 I love killing Mike. Actually, when I've heard the name, 3:44:53.760 --> 3:44:56.400 I'm like, dam it's supposed to be a real motherfucker killer, motherfucker. 3:44:57.120 --> 3:45:00.320 I went to I went to a family of and 3:45:00.440 --> 3:45:02.560 he was there, and I sat down with this guy. 3:45:02.680 --> 3:45:07.200 This guy is off the hook, intelligent, like total, He's incredible. Man. 3:45:08.560 --> 3:45:13.360 I hope he was God. I hope he wins the Yeah, 3:45:13.360 --> 3:45:14.040 he's up for grounded. 3:45:14.040 --> 3:45:15.160 I hope he wins that ship. 3:45:15.600 --> 3:45:19.280 Intelligent jeim and really nice guy, really really nice guy. 3:45:19.400 --> 3:45:19.520 Man. 3:45:19.760 --> 3:45:21.440 I don't know if that name fit him. Don't killing Mike, 3:45:21.560 --> 3:45:27.680 but he's like nice Mike, you like that, you know 3:45:27.720 --> 3:45:30.360 what I mean? He was killing with the words calm 3:45:31.320 --> 3:45:33.039 Fano phantom except so. 3:45:33.160 --> 3:45:34.960 Let me s because you know I'm black, but I'm 3:45:34.959 --> 3:45:37.320 half perto weecan two right? What was the first Puerto 3:45:37.400 --> 3:45:39.959 Rican you ever seen in the in the hip hop 3:45:40.600 --> 3:45:41.560 or they was always around? 3:45:41.600 --> 3:45:42.039 Keep it Real? 3:45:42.280 --> 3:45:43.440 DJ Charlie Chase. 3:45:45.040 --> 3:45:49.560 The first Puerto Rican DJ ever see this see as 3:45:49.600 --> 3:45:51.480 you guys asked the stories. 3:45:51.560 --> 3:45:54.519 You know, to go from here to there. It's ludicris, 3:45:54.760 --> 3:45:56.320 Yes it is. We just had little Chris Is on 3:45:56.400 --> 3:45:57.000 the shore as well. 3:46:03.200 --> 3:46:08.160 Yeah, DJ Charnie Chase and the group he used to 3:46:08.240 --> 3:46:09.440 DJ for was the Cold Crush. 3:46:09.879 --> 3:46:12.960 You know what I'm saying. Like he has a story. 3:46:13.720 --> 3:46:17.040 I know I've been knowing him for decades. Yeah, we 3:46:17.560 --> 3:46:19.920 church is ready to come on drinking. He lives in Orlando. 3:46:20.040 --> 3:46:20.720 We gotta have him on. 3:46:21.320 --> 3:46:22.120 You should have him on. 3:46:22.600 --> 3:46:25.480 He got stories. I only got a smidget of what 3:46:25.640 --> 3:46:31.199 he is. Only he could tell his story. And that's. 3:46:32.640 --> 3:46:35.199 Dominicans, he said, none of the Dominicans. 3:46:35.280 --> 3:46:36.040 You ain't gotta get him. 3:46:36.040 --> 3:46:37.720 No problem appreciated. 3:46:38.560 --> 3:46:46.560 Oh my god, because yeah, yeah, yeah, what's up? 3:46:46.760 --> 3:46:49.039 But now listen, man, let me just tell you man 3:46:49.080 --> 3:46:51.640 one more time, man, how much we appreciate this a 3:46:51.760 --> 3:46:52.120 lot of you. 3:46:52.240 --> 3:46:53.560 Man, This is what we do it for. 3:46:54.000 --> 3:46:56.120 You know, I called Scram Jones, I call my DJ, 3:46:56.240 --> 3:46:59.360 butch Rock who Scram Jones is my DJ. But you 3:46:59.400 --> 3:47:01.240 know they both kind of my DJs, and I wanted 3:47:01.240 --> 3:47:03.480 them to come in because I know how honored they 3:47:03.560 --> 3:47:05.760 are in the DJ for Fielder as much as I 3:47:05.840 --> 3:47:07.400 am as MC as honored to that. 3:47:07.760 --> 3:47:08.880 There's always DJs. 3:47:09.080 --> 3:47:12.039 They're the people that not only throw flowers at your feet, 3:47:12.040 --> 3:47:14.040 but they're even the ones that pick the flowers to 3:47:14.200 --> 3:47:16.440 throw your feet. And I want you to know how 3:47:16.480 --> 3:47:19.440 appreciated you are in hip hop and his totality, but 3:47:19.640 --> 3:47:21.480 in the elements of hip hop. That's why I wanted 3:47:21.520 --> 3:47:24.480 the other DJs to come and help me throw the flowers. 3:47:24.480 --> 3:47:27.480 And if you appreciate you are the Princess Munda. You 3:47:27.600 --> 3:47:32.720 understand I'm saying you are exactly you know, hip hop royalty. 3:47:32.840 --> 3:47:33.200 You are. 3:47:35.920 --> 3:47:36.160 I was. 3:47:36.800 --> 3:47:41.800 There's no artists in the world, especially a hip hop artist, 3:47:42.800 --> 3:47:45.320 that you should be able to call and they not 3:47:45.480 --> 3:47:47.080 answer you within twenty four hours. 3:47:48.120 --> 3:47:50.080 I've been, I've been blessed, and they do. 3:47:50.200 --> 3:47:50.960 And we don't we know. 3:47:51.080 --> 3:47:53.160 We know flash let's take let's give you flowers. 3:47:53.400 --> 3:47:55.880 We know that. But I'm just saying. What I'm saying is, 3:47:56.000 --> 3:47:56.680 thank you so much. 3:47:56.840 --> 3:47:59.680 If any artist is out there listening from a twelve 3:47:59.720 --> 3:48:02.880 year old artists to an artist that's two hundred and twelve, 3:48:04.600 --> 3:48:09.200 figure it out. If this man called you, drop your 3:48:09.320 --> 3:48:15.600 grandmama's pancakes out your mouth. You split the tick tack 3:48:15.640 --> 3:48:20.520 out your mouth, you unlace your Blissiyaga slippers, and you 3:48:20.640 --> 3:48:21.080 get to this. 3:48:21.280 --> 3:48:23.880 Man whatever the fuck he asks you for. If he 3:48:24.000 --> 3:48:27.640 asks you to eat a honeybug and your nose, you 3:48:27.760 --> 3:48:28.720 know you do it. 3:48:29.400 --> 3:48:33.439 If he acts you to clip your toenails with watermelon pills. 3:48:33.840 --> 3:48:34.040 You do. 3:48:35.440 --> 3:48:41.440 If he asks you to put oranges in your espresso 3:48:44.560 --> 3:48:47.800 and drinking his coffee mates, you do it. 3:48:49.920 --> 3:48:54.240 There's nothing in this world that this man should ever need, 3:48:54.520 --> 3:48:58.199 axe or want, And as long as drink Champs are alive, 3:48:58.520 --> 3:48:59.600 we're gonna be there. 3:48:59.560 --> 3:48:59.959 To help a. 3:49:11.960 --> 3:49:15.760 Drink Champs is a drink Champs LLC production and association 3:49:15.920 --> 3:49:20.280 with Interval Presents hosts and executive producers n O r 3:49:20.360 --> 3:49:25.280 E and dj e FN from Interval Presents executive producers 3:49:25.400 --> 3:49:27.400 Alan Coy and Jake Kleinberg. 3:49:28.080 --> 3:49:29.160 Listen to Drink Champs on. 3:49:29.240 --> 3:49:34.160 Apple Podcast, Amazon Music, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. 3:49:35.280 --> 3:49:37.680 Thanks for joining us for another episode of Drink Champs 3:49:37.760 --> 3:49:40.360 hosted by Yours truly, dj e f N and n 3:49:40.360 --> 3:49:42.440 O r E. 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