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Speaker 2: The World's a vigeonal podcast Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.

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Speaker 3: A hockey fan, you watch Brad Marshall and you're like,

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Speaker 3: I hate that guy, but we'll see how he is

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Speaker 3: now that we get it again.

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Speaker 2: I don't think the BIG's gonna be licking people. I'll

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Speaker 4: And they got bounced in the divisional round by the Mantles.

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Speaker 2: Because he dropped a bomb with the game on the line.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I mean he made a bad play, Like, are

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Speaker 4: gonna well, if they're.

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Speaker 5: Gonna bitch about getting the most targets in football, you

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Speaker 5: need to produce when you're targeting.

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Speaker 2: You just said that, that's not what he was bitching about.

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Speaker 2: He was bitching about not getting the ball when they

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Speaker 5: I'm not getting he was pitching about not getting the

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Speaker 2: Are you sure about that, man? Is that true? Yes?

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Speaker 5: Okay, okay, we can all put I didn't make it

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Speaker 5: to twelve minutes, but we can all pretend those things didn't.

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Speaker 4: You're saying, jot a movie.

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Speaker 5: Just to let everyone know, Evan is about thirty four

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Speaker 2: It's the length of the arms. I don't know why

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Speaker 5: I don't pretend to know. It's it's not something that

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Speaker 5: I care to play dumb. You know I'm not dumb.

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome to Patriot's Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here

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Speaker 2: at Jiless Stadium. We got a big newsday. There's a

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Speaker 2: lot to talk about. It's Evan, it's Paul, it's me,

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Speaker 2: Matt Nabooth. Deuce is down staring at the sun in Florida.

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Speaker 2: If you're not staring at my We checked his retina

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Speaker 2: after that stand up he did yesterday because he was

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Speaker 2: kind of blinded. Did you see that? You don't you're

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Speaker 4: And I felt bad for him. Yeah, that's that's the worst.

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Speaker 4: When you're squinting and you know it looks bad.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, he's gonna be calling in around twelve thirty or

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Speaker 2: twelve forty five, somewhere around there. But I guess I

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Speaker 2: I would think the headline today is Robert Kraft had

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Speaker 2: his annual media scrum at the Owner's meeting and chose

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Speaker 2: is selecting Bill Parcells as a contributor to the Patriots

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Speaker 2: Hall of Fame. Reaction, I think it was the right move.

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Speaker 5: I think sometimes you put you know, the other stuff

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Speaker 5: Robert Kraft recognized that.

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Speaker 2: I know that the two people.

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Speaker 5: That I'm joined by on this panel probably disagree, but

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Speaker 5: I just feel like you have to get in a

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Speaker 5: place that modern Patriots fans can't even fathom because you

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Speaker 5: think this is bad right now, this is nothing compared

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Speaker 5: The way it's gone down four and thirteen, four and thirteen,

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Speaker 5: this is just regular losing team stuff. Yeah, this is

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Speaker 5: a mere pittance compared to what Parcels inherited from ninety

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Speaker 5: it was the worst organization in professional sports. Yep, Parcels

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Speaker 2: For his years. He changed it.

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Speaker 5: It's never gone back to that. He changed and he

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Speaker 2: Again, well, they would have been the organization in Saint

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Speaker 5: Robert Craft doesn't deserve his flowers too, anybody. We're not

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Speaker 5: talking about that right now. Evan, you read my story.

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Speaker 5: Did I have that part of my story?

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Speaker 4: I didn't really live it in that capacity. And his

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Speaker 2: It's the it's you said it, it's the owner's prerogative,

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Speaker 2: two people put him in. If you want to vote

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Speaker 5: And you know, I take it personally, and you and

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Speaker 5: Okay, he writes it all the time that the pettiness

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Speaker 5: My assumption would be if Dan was sitting here with us,

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Speaker 5: He's never going to get in. As long as he's

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Speaker 5: But like he was, I remember when he came in.

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Speaker 5: He was a great, great part of our show. I

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Speaker 5: something for like Chuck Fairbanks and Russ Francis, guys that

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Speaker 2: You have to get in on the Veterans Committee.

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Speaker 5: Right, he'd have to do the same kind of thing

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Speaker 5: it's because Robert Kraft doesn't want it in it's because

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Speaker 2: That's not what it's not. It's not true. So you know,

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Speaker 2: Robert Craft took it in, you know, matters into his

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Speaker 2: So good, you know, I think it's the right move

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Speaker 2: This is not an argument.

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Speaker 5: I totally understand why you and he he's a polarizing candidate.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I understand why. Yeah, it's a team Hall

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Speaker 5: So I would just add, and even though I'm pro

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Speaker 2: Sure, the drama that he created, the year to year

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Speaker 5: Fan I get that it all depends on how much

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Speaker 2: Yep. So but good. But I think it's a good

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Speaker 2: be really cool to see him again, you know. I'm

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Speaker 2: And as Paul said, we will meet on Thursday to

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Speaker 2: do the normal nomination of a player, so Parcels will

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I do like that stacked class by the way, Yeah, that.

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Speaker 4: It's a contributor category. Like putting him up on the

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Speaker 4: on the ballot was getting like a little bit tiresome.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's never going to get in on fan vote,

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Speaker 4: It was five times on the back.

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Speaker 5: It almost gets to you know, in Rabel dealt with this.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I know. It's a stacked class this time around, though,

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Speaker 4: I'm very interested to see because my generation of Patriot

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Speaker 4: with his podcast and media career. Adam VINITERI probably should

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that are.

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Speaker 4: Going to vote on Edelman because of his popularity sure

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Speaker 2: I'm surprised that you have that take.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I just think he needs to be in.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think the Patriots Vinitaria didn't get lucky, but

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, there's no dynasty with the vanitary right.

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Speaker 5: He'd be my pick too. But yeah, I mean I

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Speaker 5: think he's a fan favorite, and I think he's much

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Speaker 2: I think I give more credit to the fans. I

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Speaker 2: I meant the Hall of fam So I was kidding.

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Speaker 2: I'm waiting for them to prove me wrong. Yeah, all right,

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Speaker 2: So so that's that to me. That was the headline today,

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Speaker 5: And you got some some league matters that are that

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Speaker 2: We'll get into some rule debate rule changes. Whether you

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 5: And you know, we heard from Vrabel yesterday and there

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you guys getting a lot of criticism, which guy Felger.

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Speaker 2: Oh is he really? So? Felger had an exclusive, He

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Speaker 2: up down in Florida. Well he requested that. Yeah, but

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Speaker 2: I thought he was Okay, I'm just gonna look that.

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Speaker 2: then I'm not gonna say anything. Okay. Well he was

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Speaker 2: soft on him. Yeah, but I thought it was fine.

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Speaker 2: He was soft with both of them. With Wolf, heily,

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Speaker 2: he admitted that, you know, I said that when you

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Speaker 2: So he admitted that. You know, so I don't think

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Speaker 5: I thought you were making fun of him because I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so they.

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Speaker 5: Were making fun of him for not having any idea

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Speaker 2: But before that, Rabel had his breakfast with the media

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Speaker 2: thirty four minutes. Yeah, so on extended talk, What did

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Speaker 4: I wrote about it on Patriots dot com. There's a

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Speaker 4: few a few things that stood out. He was asked

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Speaker 4: get asked about Abdul Carter, but you know, all positive stuff.

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Speaker 4: But I thought, what was a couple of things I

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Speaker 4: to draft a running back, and then today mister Kraft

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Speaker 4: So it sounds like running back is in play. But

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Speaker 4: I think that they he's well, every time he's been

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Speaker 4: asked about running backs, he's back from Andre Stevenson instead

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Speaker 2: I don't like that.

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Speaker 4: So he's back to Andre a handful of times now.

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Speaker 4: So I don't think that they're looking to push for

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Speaker 4: some speed, And mister Kraft said specifically a speedback. You know,

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Speaker 4: I think that's on the docket. There's still Will Campbell's

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Speaker 4: a tackle. You know, they feel like he's a tackle.

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Speaker 4: He gave the line of SEC you know, competition, and

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Speaker 4: he held up in the SEC, so why not in

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Speaker 4: the NFL. And you know, Travis Hunter just pushed piecing

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Speaker 2: Listen, assuming he's not, though, and assuming Carter's not, I'm

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Speaker 2: all in on Will Campbell. I've decided I am all

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Speaker 2: I'm willing to take that chance, you know, in this draft,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I definitely feels you know, they pick four, so

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Speaker 4: you need four players on your on your board at four, right,

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Speaker 4: you're not gonna put eight guys because you're not. You

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Speaker 4: don't need that many guys. So, just reading through the

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Speaker 4: Hunter are obviously going to be on that short list.

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Speaker 4: And I think the two tackles, Campbell and Membu, and

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Speaker 4: I think they're going to decide which would they rather

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Speaker 4: flip Membo from right to left or I'd rather have

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Speaker 2: That's played left tackle, you know, and has good tape,

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Speaker 2: by the way, played against good competition.

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Speaker 5: I wouldn't argue with any either one of those mentalities.

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Speaker 2: I don't want it.

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Speaker 5: I if I'm going to take a tackle that high

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Speaker 5: I'm looking somewhere else, But I don't. This is not

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Speaker 2: The mattresses with you on. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I think it makes perfect sense to say he's a

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Speaker 2: Let's make it.

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Speaker 5: Let's let's find out if he can do it before

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Speaker 2: But here's the thing. With all the guys after Hunter

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Speaker 2: The good The thing I like about Campbell he's got

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Speaker 2: play guard. If you take Tech McMillan and he's not

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Speaker 2: a good wide receiver, you're not making him a corner back.

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Speaker 2: The five other guys, you know, like like like the

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Speaker 2: other guys, the other guys, if they're not good at

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Speaker 5: That's one guy, Teed McMillan, who also has a lot

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Speaker 2: If it takes Mason Graham and he's not good at

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Speaker 5: If Will Campbell is not good at his position, that's

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Speaker 2: He plays guard. Yeah, I know when that's not that's

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Speaker 5: If Mason Graham is not a very good defensive tackle,

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Speaker 4: They're not just going to cut him, but he's not

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Speaker 2: Like the guy who can't play tech, he can be

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Speaker 5: I don't like that reasoning for I don't want to

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Speaker 2: But you're not going to find a guy in Tyler at.

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Speaker 4: Four, Tyler Warren Fashton Genty.

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Speaker 2: But all these guys, if for some reason they're not

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Speaker 4: But why are they not good at their position?

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Speaker 2: Who knows? Do you know for certain thing? Do you

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Speaker 2: know for certain that Will Campbell's going to be a

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Speaker 2: really good guard? Yes? You do? Yes?

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Speaker 4: Okay, then I know for certain that Ashton Genty is

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Speaker 2: Good Kay, Then you're gonna pick Ashton Genty. I'd rather

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Speaker 5: Yes, but you're not picking well okay, if you can't

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Speaker 2: Okay, But the assumption if you take him is that

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Speaker 5: See what I started this when I said to you,

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Speaker 5: I have no problem doing the Will Campbell can play

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Speaker 5: he has.

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Speaker 2: The profile I have.

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Speaker 5: So you're telling me the arms don't matter as much

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying that doesn't make any particular draft. I

438
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Speaker 2: haven't heard anyone that says that's that guy's worth a

439
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Speaker 2: fourth pick, and so I would agree with that. So

440
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Speaker 2: you're compromising with everybody and at least in this compromise.

441
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Speaker 5: But it might have a fallback. I get that, and

442
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Speaker 5: you're right. I don't think if you disagree, I jump

443
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Speaker 5: in like I don't think there is a guy at

444
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Speaker 5: the fourth pick that.

445
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Speaker 4: Is usually I get that fired up about the draft.

446
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Speaker 5: You know, but I agree with Fred like I, like

447
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Speaker 5: I said, I really go to the mattresses with you,

448
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Speaker 5: because there really I don't think there is a guy

449
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Speaker 5: at the fourth pick that's consensus you have to take him, right.

450
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Speaker 2: I don't think that exists.

451
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Speaker 4: This has been a pain point for me with this draft,

452
00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:19,679
Speaker 4: trying to talk about this draft for months because it's

453
00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,200
Speaker 4: just the talent at the top is not there this year.

454
00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:24,679
Speaker 4: The talent at the top is not there. So you

455
00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:29,000
Speaker 4: can draft. You can go through five, six, seven different names,

456
00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,520
Speaker 4: and all of them have warks. Whether it's the position

457
00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,480
Speaker 4: that they play, it's their athletic profiles, it's their arms

458
00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:38,480
Speaker 4: are too short, their smaller prospects for their position. One's

459
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Speaker 4: a right tackle that you're gonna have to play at

460
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Speaker 4: left tackle. One's got short arms. Ted McMillan's a slow receiver.

461
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Speaker 4: You know, he's a mid four to fives receiver. Like,

462
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Speaker 4: is that you're taking that at four overall? You know,

463
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Speaker 4: Tyler Warren is a really good player, but I think

464
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Speaker 4: his best trait is versatility. I don't think he's a

465
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Speaker 4: dominant athlete necessarily. I think he's a very versatile, very

466
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Speaker 4: well run tight end. That's great, but I don't think

467
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Speaker 4: that's worth the fourth overall pick in most drafts. That's

468
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Speaker 4: not this year, right. So what I've continued to say

469
00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:14,199
Speaker 4: is that this is where filling needs and improving, you know,

470
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,280
Speaker 4: weaknesses in the football team comes into play more in

471
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Speaker 4: a draft like this than a draft like maybe last year,

472
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Speaker 4: where you could make an honest case for Malik Neighbors

473
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Speaker 4: or Jolt Right or you know, Marvin Harrison Junior or whatever.

474
00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:31,080
Speaker 4: This is not that class. Unfortunately, there's the talent, he's

475
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Speaker 4: not there at the top.

476
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and like that's I would agree with you that

477
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Speaker 5: no one thinks that X is the guy that should

478
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Speaker 5: be taken fourth. So I'm okay with Will Campbell. I

479
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Speaker 5: don't want this. I'm a sort of proceeding. I just

480
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Speaker 5: would say that, like you're talking about this, no one

481
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Speaker 5: that has the value of the fourth overall pick. Well,

482
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Speaker 5: in my view, this is not like fact. This is

483
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Speaker 5: just my view. God would be the least valuable thing

484
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Speaker 5: that you could take at that pick. So if you

485
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Speaker 5: don't think you can play tackle, I wouldn't do it.

486
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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I would rather have I do think he

487
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Speaker 2: can play.

488
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Speaker 5: I would rather have a guy who turns out to

489
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Speaker 5: be an average tight end or an average running back

490
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Speaker 5: than a good a really good guard.

491
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Speaker 2: No, I agree with that. I would if he was

492
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Speaker 2: a guard, I wouldn't even consider him at four. So

493
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Speaker 2: if they want to take him as a tackle that

494
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 2: I won't be I want. I will be hard to

495
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Speaker 2: push and convince. That's what I am recommending.

496
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Speaker 4: But I think what what Fred's getting at too is

497
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Speaker 4: let's say as a rookie, you he's your best left

498
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Speaker 4: tackle on the roster. Right, I think that's not debatable.

499
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Speaker 4: So you're gonna play him at left tackle as a rookie.

500
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Speaker 4: But if we go into next offseason and Rashaan Slater

501
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Speaker 4: is a free agent and actually hits unrestricted free agency

502
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Speaker 4: and you can throw twenty five million dollars at Rashawn Slater,

503
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 4: is it the worst thing in the world to then

504
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Speaker 4: kick Campbell inside to left guard and have a left

505
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Speaker 4: side for the next five years. That's Rashaun Slater and

506
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Speaker 4: Will Campbell.

507
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Speaker 5: No, But would it be the worst thing in the

508
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Speaker 5: world if you just plug in somebody at left tackle

509
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Speaker 5: like Kayden Wallace, who vrabel said yesterday, I think will

510
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 5: get a look there and just you know, fill the

511
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 5: spot for a year and then sign Machan's later next year. Yes,

512
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 5: I think what's the difference. Kane Wallace might get your

513
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 5: quarterback killed.

514
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Speaker 4: That's important.

515
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Speaker 5: I mean, if if Will Campbell can't play tackle, why

516
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:14,360
Speaker 5: is he not getting your quarterback?

517
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Speaker 4: Well, because I don't think that he can't play tackle.

518
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:18,959
Speaker 4: He just might not be as good of a tackle

519
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 4: as he would be at guard.

520
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Speaker 5: But I'm talking he's not going to be able to

521
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Speaker 5: play the position.

522
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Speaker 4: I don't think that that's I think he'll have a

523
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Speaker 4: baseline level of being able to play the position. It's

524
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Speaker 4: more just you know, what's what's his upside at tackle

525
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 4: versus what's his upside at guard?

526
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Speaker 5: And I also don't love the idea of well, you know,

527
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Speaker 5: because we've fallen into this before, you know, well, you

528
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Speaker 5: have the safety that he's a great guard, Like, okay,

529
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Speaker 5: if you say so. I mean there's plenty of guys

530
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Speaker 5: that get taken that is short fire players in the

531
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Speaker 5: top ten that don't end up being good.

532
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think Jonathan Cooper was like a six to

533
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Speaker 2: overall pick. I think he's stunk.

534
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Speaker 4: I wouldn't like I would just look at Will Campbell

535
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 4: as a tackle and leave it there. But I I

536
00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 4: understand where he's coming from that if worst comes to worse,

537
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 4: then you can move him inside right, and he still

538
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 4: has an NFL career playing on the inside.

539
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 2: This but I think there's all these reasons not to

540
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 2: take these guys at four. I'm looking for a reason

541
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Speaker 2: to take a guy at four. I don't like that reason.

542
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 2: I mean, in this draft, you have to I guess you're.

543
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Speaker 5: Making an assumption that I'm not willing to make. Okay,

544
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:22,880
Speaker 5: he's going to be a great guard, Like I don't

545
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:23,199
Speaker 5: know that.

546
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,439
Speaker 2: Well, I'm looking. I'm looking for reasons. I'm looking. I'm

547
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 2: trying to make lemon out of lemonade. I mean lemonade

548
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 2: out of lemons.

549
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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what I mean. I think the biggest

550
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Speaker 4: thing to advocate for will camp, which I've done plenty

551
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 4: of so I don't have to keep doing it. But

552
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 4: the football character and the guy that you're getting apparently.

553
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 2: Off the I love that too.

554
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like you are getting a guy that most project

555
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:52,639
Speaker 4: will be like a year or two captain and like

556
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Speaker 4: a captain for your football team for like the next

557
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Speaker 4: ten years.

558
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Speaker 2: By the way I talked about it last week, I've

559
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 2: come up with the fool proof measuring system for these guys.

560
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,919
Speaker 2: And I mentioned like guys that block like this. I

561
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 2: mentioned I mentioned you should do it from So here's

562
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Speaker 2: how it works. Okay, he's leaning up against the wall,

563
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 2: his head has to be touching the wall, arms out,

564
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 2: fingers up, and then there's a measurement on the floor.

565
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 2: All right. Then there's a sliding thing that comes up

566
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:25,719
Speaker 2: and meets his hand, his hands and you can't fudge it.

567
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 2: You can't fudge it. It is what it is. Everyone's

568
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:33,440
Speaker 2: the same and you know exactly what is the base

569
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 2: of his hands, what the measurement is, and there's no

570
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 2: fudging it. There's no leaning forward because his back has

571
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 2: to be against the wall, head has to be touching,

572
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 2: and everyone is apples to apples, and there is no

573
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Speaker 2: inconsistency with this measuring system. Call it the Fred Kersh

574
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Speaker 2: Lineman arm length measuring system.

575
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Speaker 4: You know it's crazy, is you could probably make some

576
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Speaker 4: money off of that, Like the NFL will pay you

577
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Speaker 4: a lot of money if you actually could manufact this.

578
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 2: Oh yeah machine. It's portable, but it's full proof. It

579
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 2: is full proof.

580
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a tough draft.

581
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 10: WHA.

582
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Speaker 5: Why are we're just gonna talk about arm length forever?

583
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 2: But especially if they I want to put no, you

584
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 2: would you incorporate my system and you do away with

585
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 2: the talk forever. You don't ever have to talk about

586
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,919
Speaker 2: it anymore because it's there's no controversy. It is what

587
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,159
Speaker 2: it is. This is the number. There's no fudging it,

588
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,120
Speaker 2: and now we don't have to talk about this arm

589
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:38,159
Speaker 2: length all the time.

590
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 4: I do think we talk a lot more about the

591
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 4: arm length than the people actually making these decisions in

592
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 4: the NFL do I. I don't think a lot of

593
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 4: people are are having these extensive conversations that actually make

594
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 4: decisions in the in the league about arm length. I

595
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 4: think this is all all, all the combine stuff. All

596
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 4: this stuff is always secondary to the tape, like what

597
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 4: what does you do on tape? And then you know,

598
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 4: we get into these other things I think are small

599
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 4: pieces to the puzzle, not the main pieces of the puzzle.

600
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Speaker 2: But it's a tough to main pieces is tape. Yeah,

601
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,719
Speaker 2: and I like what I see I do. And the

602
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 2: second some people agree with you. And the second piece

603
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 2: is his character and his football, love of football and

604
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,160
Speaker 2: its toughness. I would say everybody agrees. And I love

605
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 2: that too. So I'm all in on Will Campbell sign

606
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:28,880
Speaker 2: me up?

607
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:29,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm good.

608
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 5: You guys are selling me. As long as he plays tackle,

609
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 5: I'm good.

610
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 2: If Carter or Hunter are there, now I have to

611
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 2: start thinking, now, I'm probably gonna take Hunter or Carter,

612
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 2: but I'm assuming they're not going to be there.

613
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 4: Yeah. Look, there's there's outliers at everything. There there's outliers

614
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 4: for short arm tackles, and there's outliers for right tackles

615
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 4: moving to left tackle. You know Tristan Wharf's move from

616
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 4: right to left. Your guy, Tyrone Smith moved from right

617
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 4: to left us the right tackle at USC. But those

618
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 4: are the only two guys that have done it at

619
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Speaker 4: a really high level in the last like twenty years

620
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 4: or so. So you're talking about two guys that might

621
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 4: be in the Pro Football Hall of Fame someday as

622
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 4: the armand Membu comp right. You know, you were talking

623
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 4: about some really good players. You know, Jedrick Willis did

624
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 4: it too, but I don't think Jeddrick Wills is in

625
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 4: that category with those other two. But but you know,

626
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 4: both of them are kind of outliers.

627
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Speaker 2: Just a funny note. I was on Peloton last night

628
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 2: and there's a program in Peloton where you can choose

629
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 2: to you can choose to ride through like cities or whatever,

630
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 2: and one of the options was Marseille, France. Eric would

631
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 2: like that. So I'm, you know, I'm I'm riding through

632
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 2: the city street and the like tours everywhere there's a

633
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 2: young kid with a Drake May North Carolina shirt on.

634
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 2: I couldn't believe it. That was so that was funny

635
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 2: of all the random college shirts. There's Drake May in Marseille.

636
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 4: Wow, Paul wants to get them killed. But what scrub

637
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 4: left tackles out there? Oh?

638
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 2: I think that's what. All right, careful myself, careful, all right,

639
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 2: just in case. So we're going to talk about rule

640
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 2: changes coming up. We talked about Robert Craft and Mike Vrabel,

641
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 2: Bill Parcells. We talked about the draft. One thing about

642
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 2: Robert kraft scrum that I thought was interesting, him getting

643
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 2: a little bit kind of edgy when asked about succession,

644
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 2: and he said, you know, that's kind of a biased question,

645
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 2: you know, talking about age. In other words, I'm not

646
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 2: going anywhere, so why I you know, we have a plan,

647
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 2: don't worry about it, but you know, don't kick me

648
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 2: out of the door before I'm ready. Did you catch

649
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 2: that I did?

650
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, I have no problem. Like I get why the

651
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 4: question was asked, obviously, But is anybody confused as to

652
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 4: who's taking over the team next? Like we all know right, Well,

653
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Speaker 4: that's the part that confused me about the question.

654
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 2: Robert's going to outlive me, so you know, you know,

655
00:30:58,160 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 2: like that's not even.

656
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 5: I didn't see Robert's scrum.

657
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 2: Oh you didn't know, I feel like they didn't post it.

658
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 2: It's posted now, okay, but we didn't cover that live,

659
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 2: like we know.

660
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 5: I knew that, but I didn't. You guys sounded like

661
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 5: you had all seen it.

662
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 2: Well I saw it because I think somebody else posted it.

663
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 2: Maybe Mark Daniels is somebody else.

664
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 4: I watched the whole thing before it's up on the

665
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 4: site and YouTube and everything.

666
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 2: Now, yeah he did.

667
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 4: But that was just my takeaway from the court. I mean,

668
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 4: like it's I think it's pretty obvious who's next in

669
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 4: line to run the team, right, I.

670
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 2: Mean many say he's already running the team, right. So yeah,

671
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 2: so okay, what else?

672
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 4: Anything more questions about the team plane? Fred?

673
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 2: Oh, and that's a good by the way. By the way,

674
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 2: I'm glad that Robert addressed that because I'm we're on

675
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 2: the plane. You've been on the plane? Have you been

676
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 2: on the new plane? I have, but I don't not

677
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 2: like you guys every week, Like I didn't want to

678
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 2: come out and say it on the show because I

679
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 2: don't go back in the players. I've gone through it

680
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 2: quickly to get off the plane. But I didn't take

681
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 2: an audit. But I have never seen an ashtray on

682
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 2: that plane. I just didn't want to say because I

683
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 2: couldn't have been sure. But there's no ash trays on

684
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 2: that plane.

685
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 4: I've never seen an ara No. I Sometimes I feel

686
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 4: like when the things about the plane come up, I

687
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 4: do get a little bit like annoyed by it because

688
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 4: the treatment that we get when we go on that

689
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 4: plane is, yeah.

690
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 2: You're catered first class. But somebody's filling out that NFLPA

691
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 2: survey and they could have made a joke the plane

692
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 2: is so old that has ashtrays. It could have been

693
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 2: a throwaway line, but it's taken as gospel because there's

694
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 2: no way to like, oh, are you serious about that

695
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 2: or not? But there's no ashtrays on the plane.

696
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 4: Not that I've seen. I mean, there's certainly things that

697
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 4: they could upgrade. We've talked about it, you know that

698
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 4: they that could be upgrade.

699
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Wi Fi can be better, for sure.

700
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 4: Yeah. But the service that you get on this plane, right,

701
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 4: you are you are on Air Force one, like you,

702
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 4: The amount of food that they throw at you, the

703
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 4: attention that the stewardess is, it's just just yeah, they

704
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,479
Speaker 4: call him flight Is that a different name?

705
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 2: Yeah? It is now but anyway, I would make the

706
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 2: same mistake. But the whole travel, the whole travel process

707
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 2: itself is I think top notch. I think a few

708
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,479
Speaker 2: years ago, particularly with Belichick, there were a couple like

709
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 2: hotels that he liked to go to because of maybe

710
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 2: they were a little bit more secluded that we're probably

711
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 2: less than a four star hotel. And I think that

712
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 2: when the last nfl PA survey came out, they said,

713
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 2: you know, we got to stop going of those you know,

714
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 2: uh hotels in New Jersey that are right on the highway.

715
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 2: And so all the hotels we stay at now are

716
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 2: at least four star hotels. Like I said, everything is

717
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 2: the players get catered to. It's everything they want, they

718
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 2: get the only way to travel. I say it all

719
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 2: the time.

720
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 5: People ask me what it's like. It's like spoil you

721
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 5: for traveling regular.

722
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 2: So I didn't understand f when it came to the travel,

723
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't understand like where that came from.

724
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 2: But you know, I'm sure there were some other reasons.

725
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 2: But there's no ashtrays on the plane.

726
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, I definitely feel the same way.

727
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 2: I just don't have anything.

728
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 5: To compare it to, So I don't know what other

729
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 5: teams do.

730
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 4: That's fair.

731
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,839
Speaker 5: I just can't imagine, you know. And I did it

732
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 5: for what ten twelve fifteen years with you, Freddie, I

733
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 5: never had any issues, right, and that was before even.

734
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 2: The time that I was late. Dante scolded me when

735
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 2: I got on the plane. I mean, just if he

736
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 2: didn't really matter. He just gave me a shake.

737
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 4: The amount of food alone that they give you, oh well,

738
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 4: even just for a flight to New Jersey to go

739
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 4: play the Jets is like, you know, you could eat

740
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 4: for a week just through all the options that they have.

741
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 4: So I I don't know, I don't know how you

742
00:34:59,200 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 4: can really complain to you.

743
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm glad he said that, you know, out loud,

744
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 2: because I wanted to say it, but I just, well,

745
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 2: maybe there's a couple out back that I don't know about,

746
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 2: you know anyway.

747
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I also not that it was like it

748
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,479
Speaker 4: was kind of common sense. But he had a line

749
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 4: in there about the draft, and he kind of picked

750
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 4: out some positions which I thought was interesting that they

751
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:28,280
Speaker 4: would target in the draft.

752
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 2: And then because she would leave that out, I wish

753
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 2: you would just say, I defer to the people that

754
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:33,720
Speaker 2: I paid to do that stuff.

755
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, so you know, offensive line receiver, and he said

756
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 4: speed running back in particular, not not you know.

757
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 2: Somebody told him that.

758
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 4: That's that's sort of what I'm getting at, Like we're

759
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 4: not talking about Lagara Blunt. He said speed running back specifically,

760
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 4: and I can't imagine that he's He caught himself and said,

761
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 4: you know, just speaking as a fan, I was like, well, obviously,

762
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 4: like the.

763
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 2: Year when Pete Carroll got here and they were talking

764
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 2: about the draft, and all of a sudden, Robert Kraft

765
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 2: started using this term press corner up to then, like

766
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 2: he hadn't really used that. Yeah, just stop, I remember that.

767
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, but my next mock draft will be tackle receiver

768
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 4: running back. I can tell you that because he basically

769
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 4: just told you that that's that's what they're going to do.

770
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 4: So yeah, it is common sense a little bit though.

771
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 5: Okay, Cam Scataboo, Yeah, I want him on my Freddy

772
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 5: would be like, just beside himself.

773
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 2: I want him on my football team. And I like

774
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 2: this Trapillo guy too. As a later round pick.

775
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 5: He's gonna be I think, Yeah, he's you identify guys

776
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 5: in the seventh round that go in the second and

777
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 5: third all the time.

778
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, Skataboo worries me about longevity. You know, the way

779
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 4: he plays and how hard he plays, well.

780
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 2: He's not going to get the reps he gets in

781
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 2: college here.

782
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, but the amount of contact that he takes.

783
00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 5: On he doesn't avoid contact, would worry me.

784
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 2: But small shelf life. We need that toughness.

785
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 4: That that game against that game against Texas.

786
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 2: Paul doesn't like toughness lest grace in eliteness. Yeah, that

787
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 2: wins until you get hit in the mouth and then

788
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 2: grace goes down the tubes. Speed, speed in size sp

789
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 2: is good. Taekwon Thornton. No oh, he wasn't speedy. He

790
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 2: wasn't good, okay, but he was fast so fast alone, doesn't.

791
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 5: You know what you guys all told me he was fast.

792
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 5: I gotta be honest with you. And I never saw

793
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,399
Speaker 5: that manifested on the field he was fast. I never

794
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 5: saw him look fast on the field. I never saw

795
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 5: him run behind guys on the field.

796
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 2: Fast correct, and that's not fast, And there's a difference.

797
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 5: I don't care about track and field. I care about football.

798
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 5: And I never saw the speed that you guys told

799
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 5: me about that Mac Road. You'll get us Mac Rove

800
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 5: mac grobe.

801
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 2: Remember when he figured I think it was actually you,

802
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 2: wasn't it you? That he was sort of teasing.

803
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 4: Probably want.

804
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 2: It?

805
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 4: It was before you.

806
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 2: And didn't he wasn't it you that asked a question

807
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 2: about it might not?

808
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,399
Speaker 4: I don't. I don't remembers. I don't want to say

809
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 4: it was me, but I think it was.

810
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 5: And he said, you know, you're really grinding the tape

811
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 5: on that one, like he was being sucked.

812
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 4: He was being discri actually probably. Yeah, So I never

813
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 4: saw it.

814
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 5: I never saw that football speed that we were talking about.

815
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 8: It.

816
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 4: He was not football fast. And I think that that

817
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 4: was a good lesson for for everybody, myself included, when

818
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 4: watching a lot of these guys. You know, there are

819
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 4: guys that are football fast and there are guys that

820
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 4: are track fast.

821
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 2: Also, a guy that has to run around in the

822
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 2: shower to get wet might be a little bit fragile.

823
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 2: Right yeah, yeah, fair point too. But I think, you know,

824
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 2: but can't we have a little bit of everything, Like.

825
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 5: Can I get some can we get some some speed

826
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 5: and athleticism and big playability and you know.

827
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:49,240
Speaker 2: You know, sure get some power.

828
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, like the Eagles, you know, they're great

829
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 5: on both sides of the line.

830
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 2: You know, they have more than their share of power.

831
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 5: But they also have a j Brown and DeVante Smith

832
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 5: and I think Dallas Goddard is a very underrated athletic

833
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 5: tight end. Saquon Barkley. I mean these guys are elad

834
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 5: athletes too.

835
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you hear a lot more nowadays. Play

836
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 4: speed like that's like a new kind of buzzword, is like,

837
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 4: you know, what's his play speed? Because we have all

838
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 4: this JPS tracking data and on top of that, you're

839
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 4: just you want to see if the guy's actually football fast.

840
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 4: You know, I don't really care if you're in the

841
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 4: four two eight anymore. So that there's a lot more

842
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:25,439
Speaker 4: of that going.

843
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 2: Fred wants to bring Toby Gerhat back. Oh, I like hot, Yeah,

844
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 2: not a bad scataboo come, speaking of speed and power,

845
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 2: if I was inclined to go that way Astroon Genty,

846
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 2: I would. He's an impressive specimen.

847
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 4: I guess his.

848
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 2: Deuce has already got your beat on that one. Yeah,

849
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 2: he's an impressive specimen.

850
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 4: He's very good.

851
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 2: He saw that pro day with his shirt off and

852
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 2: he's like.

853
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,800
Speaker 4: My gosh, what's he's sculpted.

854
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 2: He is something. Yeah, I mean, you know, like he's

855
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 2: a big guy. Like I think he's only like five

856
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 2: eight five nine, five eight, but he's thick five eight,

857
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 2: thick is fifteen, all muscle, all muscle, those tree trunks

858
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 2: and holy crap. Yeah no, I mean he's he's somebody's

859
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 2: gonna get themselves a good player when they speak him.

860
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 5: But you don't want it because there's no safety net

861
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 5: if he's you know, it's just not a great running back.

862
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 2: There's nothing else for him to do, so you don't

863
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 2: want I think he might be the one exception. I

864
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 2: think he's gonna be good. That was snarky. I know

865
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 2: it's fair enough, but I think I think whoever picks him,

866
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 2: I think they're gonna get good value.

867
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, well that's the question.

868
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:40,280
Speaker 2: I'm with Evan on running backs.

869
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 4: The word is value. But it's hard if you draft

870
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,439
Speaker 4: him that early. And he's Bjon Robinson, who's a really

871
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,479
Speaker 4: good running back. But like, what has that really led

872
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 4: to for Atlanta? Like it hasn't turned Atlanta around that

873
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,760
Speaker 4: they have a really talented running back. And I actually,

874
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 4: you know, Bijeon was bigger in.

875
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 5: Barkley Barkley was a top five pick right and overall, and.

876
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 2: You got hurt a lot though with the g Well,

877
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 2: that's part of it.

878
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 5: I know at that position, that's that's going to happen.

879
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:14,439
Speaker 5: And you know, Christian McCaffrey with the Panthers, like, there's

880
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 5: only so much you can do. But I do understand that,

881
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 5: you know, people push back. You know, the guys that

882
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:24,760
Speaker 5: defend the running backs push back against against our types

883
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 5: Evan and I and you know Felger is also in

884
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 5: our in our class with that.

885
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 2: Isn't that that the same for any position? I mean,

886
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 2: if you have this.

887
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 5: Great wide receiver on the outside, but you don't have

888
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 5: any way to get them the ball, right, I mean,

889
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 5: what good is it? You know, Malik Neighbors was as

890
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 5: good as any rookie wide receiver last year, but the

891
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:42,720
Speaker 5: Giants stunk.

892
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 2: They didn't have the rest. So if it's not quarterback,

893
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 2: the other pieces put you over the top. They you know,

894
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 2: but you got to have the quarterback. You've got to

895
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 2: have good quarterback play in.

896
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,439
Speaker 4: This Well, that's what it might separate the Patriots from

897
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 4: the Giants and the Carolina Panthers. And of those two,

898
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 4: they have the quarterback, we think, but they have a

899
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 4: talented young quarterback. I just think the biggest thing with

900
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 4: Genty is, besides the running back value conversation, is he

901
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 4: carried the ball seven hundred and fifty times in college,

902
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 4: Like he was the Boise State offense. You know, they literally,

903
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 4: you know, gave him the ball in every way possible.

904
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 4: So yeah, the way I look at his career path

905
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 4: could be very similar to somebody like Zeke Elliott, who

906
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 4: was really really good out of the gate, you know,

907
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 4: had a really strong rookie contract and then just has

908
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,479
Speaker 4: started to tail off almost completely. At this point, how

909
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 4: long are you going to have peak Ashton Genty based

910
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 4: off of all of that?

911
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, not everyone's Curtis Martin. You know that can last

912
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:46,359
Speaker 2: for a good point for EMMITTT. Smith. Yeah, all right,

913
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 2: eight five to five Pats five hundred is the hot line.

914
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 2: We don't have a Do we have a sponsor for

915
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:55,839
Speaker 2: the hotline yet? Nope, We're still We're still calling a

916
00:42:55,840 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 2: Patriots houtline. All right, today's April First? Has any been

917
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 2: any April Fools jokes?

918
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 4: Tiger Woods had a good one. He said he was

919
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 4: going to play in the Masters.

920
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and then he said, April fools. Yeah, oh

921
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 2: big head. Text me and Paul when uh Ourcell's announcement, King,

922
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 2: is this an April Fools joke? How cool would that

923
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,879
Speaker 2: have to be to make that an April Fool's joke

924
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 2: that Robert like, we would get all kinds of criticism.

925
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I mean that even I would say

926
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 2: that's that's too cruel. You know anyway today, Oh April Fools,

927
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:40,320
Speaker 2: that's pretty cruel at that age. Wo yayh that's hardcore.

928
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 2: All right, let's get to the hotline. We'll start with

929
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 2: Sam in North Carolina. Hey Sam, Sam? Oh there he is?

930
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:52,800
Speaker 2: What's up, Sam?

931
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 8: What's going on? Guys? I just want to say that

932
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 8: I think Parter fall into us or towards the Travis

933
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 8: Hunter becomes more and more relistic. I think Cleveland might

934
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 8: take Shador number two. It's really my dream. I'd like

935
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 8: to have that quarter and then do the trade up

936
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 8: thing like Laaren talks about and come back get ersty

937
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 8: or kan.

938
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 2: So what makes you think that they'll take your door?

939
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 2: Have you any information that you've come across or is

940
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 2: it just a gut feeling.

941
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 8: I mean, right now, they don't have any starting quarterback.

942
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 8: You've got Key small hand King and you got de

943
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 8: Shaun Watson that ain't even going to play just towards Karvy, right,

944
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:32,280
Speaker 8: But I mean they need a quarterback.

945
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean I think, all right, I don't

946
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:40,240
Speaker 2: kind of a weird connection.

947
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 5: But thanks Sam, I don't see much of a chance

948
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 5: of that. And I'm just going by the scuttle. But

949
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 5: that has been going on for what two maybe three

950
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 5: weeks Now it seems like it's a done deal with

951
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:55,359
Speaker 5: him in Kirk Cleveland and Kirk Cousins. Now you might say,

952
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 5: why are they gonna after the year that Kirk Cousins

953
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,720
Speaker 5: had last year, why would they want him? Fair point,

954
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 5: fair argument, But that's what it seems like it's going to. Personally,

955
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 5: I would rather run it with Kenny Pickett than draft

956
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 5: shod with Sanders at two. Like, I don't really see

957
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 5: much of it.

958
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 2: You know.

959
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 5: It's not like you're passing on one of the guys

960
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 5: last year in the top three, Drake May, and you're

961
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 5: gonna say, oh, we're good, we got Kenny Pickett. There's

962
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:25,720
Speaker 5: a lot of questions about you doing was this whole.

963
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 2: Thing with Deshaun Watson trade and Dak Prescott was that

964
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 2: all bs, Yes, so there was nothing to.

965
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, Dak Prescott actually has a no trade cause, so

966
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:39,800
Speaker 4: it would be that. Yeah, okay, But Kirk Cousins in Cleveland,

967
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 4: it seems like that's gonna happen post draft.

968
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 5: Maybe it sounds like, Yeah, I guess Cousins is adamant

969
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 5: that he does not want to He won't agree to

970
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 5: a deal until after the draft. Yeah, because he doesn't

971
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 5: want to get Michael Pennix again.

972
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 2: Jimmy Haslam was quoted, Yeah, last week is saying, and

973
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:55,839
Speaker 2: we really screwed up.

974
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 5: That's accountability. Yeah, I mean, I know, but small solace

975
00:45:59,000 --> 00:45:59,800
Speaker 5: for Cleveland fans.

976
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 2: But he could have listened to a million people before

977
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 2: and avoided that. So, you know, I just think the

978
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 2: contract was I'm'm getting the player. It was the contract.

979
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 5: But I've heard a ton of criticism forgetting the player,

980
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:13,800
Speaker 5: and I don't get that.

981
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:15,800
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, other than the fact that he's.

982
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 5: A you know, off field stuff, right, you know, like

983
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:20,360
Speaker 5: that's a different argument. But like the problem to me

984
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 5: is you're giving a guy with all kinds of off

985
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,439
Speaker 5: field issues a guarantee, a fully guaranteed contract that made

986
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:31,320
Speaker 5: no sense. But who thought that the Houston version of

987
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 5: Jashaun Watson was done, right, I mean I didn't.

988
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't know, Yeah, yeah, I think you know.

989
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 2: It was the contract. It was ridiculous.

990
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 4: Right with the Browns and with quarterbacks, there's a school

991
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:46,359
Speaker 4: thought that, you know, Kirk Cousins is obviously the guy.

992
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 4: But if you signed Kirk Cousins and then you draft

993
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 4: a quarterback, well, you know, why can't you do that? Right?

994
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 4: Why can't you do both? But I look at it

995
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 4: and say, the Giants, the Browns, if you know, the Jets,

996
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 4: even the Raiders, like I think they're buying time for

997
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 4: a better quarterback class.

998
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 2: I agree, I look at it that way. But what

999
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 2: nobody's doing right?

1000
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 5: You know, I think if anybody and I think you

1001
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 5: made this point last week, Ev and I agreed to

1002
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 5: one thousand percent. If if you just go by what

1003
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 5: everybody's doing, it seems like there's nobody convinced that she

1004
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 5: Dous Sanders is the answer, right, because they're all going

1005
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 5: out of their way to make signings that if you

1006
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 5: liked Sanders, would seem to me to be you know, unnecessary.

1007
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 2: Yep, why would you take two guys? Cleveland?

1008
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,720
Speaker 5: Why are you going to take two guys and then

1009
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,439
Speaker 5: if you planned on drafting again, it makes no sense

1010
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 5: to me.

1011
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:42,800
Speaker 2: All right on the phone from Florida, the Breakers resort

1012
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 2: is deuce, deuce. What's up? Hey, guys, are good? Did

1013
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 2: you get your eyesight back yet?

1014
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 11: No?

1015
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 2: Not yet?

1016
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 4: Leave me around.

1017
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 11: I got my cane out, so yes, I am blind

1018
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 11: here in Florida. Yeah, but at least it's sunny from

1019
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 11: what they tell me.

1020
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 2: Okay, that's good. Good job yesterday. A lot of stuff

1021
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 2: to talk about. What's on the what's your headline that

1022
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 2: you want to bring to us?

1023
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 11: Oh, I mean we're fresh off of the Bill Parcells announcement,

1024
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 11: So that's I think most interesting today. I found myself

1025
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 11: going back to my old past propaganda blog, and in

1026
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 11: twenty fifteen I was against ourselves going in. But I

1027
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 11: think I've evolved a little bit and I'm kind of

1028
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 11: good with it. I know I heard listened to the

1029
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 11: beginning of the show. I know you guys are a

1030
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 11: little bit divided. We've talked about this before, but I

1031
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 11: just think when you look back he and for me personally,

1032
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 11: I just I can't ignore his hire and change this

1033
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 11: whole franchise. It went from not to feel like we're

1034
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 11: the NFL to you were in the NFL drafted a

1035
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 11: bunch of great players that were foundational pieces for championships,

1036
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 11: and I think it's the right move at this time.

1037
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, what else? So we haven't really got

1038
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 2: into the rule change. We're waiting for us, We're waiting

1039
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 2: for you to talk about him. So why did you

1040
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 2: talk about some of the more major rule changes that

1041
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 2: we'll look forward to this year?

1042
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:08,839
Speaker 11: Yeah, just a couple that stood out to me. The

1043
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 11: overtime rules now will match what they were in overtime,

1044
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 11: But listening to Rich McKay talk about why they shifted

1045
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 11: it to ten minutes, putting more of time crunch on

1046
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 11: the teams in overtime, they felt like if they kept

1047
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,879
Speaker 11: it at fifteen minutes for the overtime period with both

1048
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 11: teams getting the ball, that teams will be tempted to

1049
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 11: defer again and not take the ball immediately. They felt like,

1050
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:35,359
Speaker 11: statistically putting it at ten minutes, you want the ball,

1051
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:37,839
Speaker 11: You're not going to have enough time. Probably you want

1052
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 11: to try to run the clock out. If if they

1053
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 11: said the average drive time was five minutes, so that

1054
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 11: was interesting to me. I know they did some research

1055
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 11: on that, and then of course, you know, change in

1056
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 11: the yard line to the thirty five, moving that out

1057
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:51,760
Speaker 11: a little bit, I think, just to encourage more kickoffs,

1058
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 11: you know, more returns, and those are the two big

1059
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:57,959
Speaker 11: pieces so far. Was waiting to see on the Tush push,

1060
00:49:58,000 --> 00:49:59,839
Speaker 11: but it sounds like they've punted that one to May.

1061
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 11: But it does seem like there's a lot of good

1062
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 11: discussion going on about that, and there's a lot of

1063
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 11: people passionately for it, passionately against it. So it'll be

1064
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:09,319
Speaker 11: interesting to see where that where that goes down the road.

1065
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 2: What about the increase in UH review assistance, They changed

1066
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 2: that a little replay assist replay assist.

1067
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 11: Oh, I haven't seen the discussion on that one yet,

1068
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 11: so how can you get back to you on that

1069
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 11: piece of it. I did see some of the you know,

1070
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 11: taunting penalties. They've increased those. I think that was a

1071
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 11: big topic to discussion today. Of course, you guys know

1072
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 11: me love.

1073
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 5: The fun, so yeah, you want more of those penalties.

1074
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 5: I can tell were you at the press conference or

1075
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 5: I'm not sure how you know how that information was

1076
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 5: delivered there?

1077
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:50,320
Speaker 2: The Rich McKay comment that you made about did.

1078
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 5: Anybody ask a follow up is like, why would you

1079
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 5: care who what the coin toss winner does?

1080
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 2: Why? Why we why are we anti deferring?

1081
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 5: I don't really to stand that being part of the

1082
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 5: the decision making on overtime, we're trying to discourage teams

1083
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 5: from deferring. What was the reason rationale behind that?

1084
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 11: Yeah, that question, that follow up was not asked within

1085
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:14,879
Speaker 11: the meeting.

1086
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:15,760
Speaker 2: I mean, what happens.

1087
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Speaker 11: There were some questions, but that one specifically wasn't answer.

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Speaker 11: I mean, that's a good question, Paul, You're always you're

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00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 11: always sharp on these things.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I mean, like you know, Evan and I were talking

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00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 5: as we came induce. You know, I kind of think

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Speaker 5: that the reason that they kept it at ten, and

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00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 5: Evan made this point is TV and I just don't

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00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 5: like that idea, but like they want to keep it

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00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 5: in as close to the windows as they can, you know,

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00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 5: for the networks, you know, one to you know, four

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00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:43,879
Speaker 5: to twenty.

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00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 2: Five or whatever it is. You know, you have a.

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00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 5: Better chance obviously if it's only a ten minute overtime

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00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:50,919
Speaker 5: then then going to fifteen. I just don't I can't,

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00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 5: for the life of me figure out why the league

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00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 5: would care what a team opts to do whether they

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Speaker 5: win the coin toimes.

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Speaker 2: So I think, but see if in it they're worried

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Speaker 2: about the window, wouldn't fifteen minutes increase the odds that

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00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 2: by the end of fifteen there's a result rather than

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Speaker 2: we're still tied.

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Speaker 5: So I think you're going to open the door for

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Speaker 5: more ties by doing it this way.

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Speaker 2: So now both yet I think, yeah, both set the

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Speaker 2: ball exactly.

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Speaker 5: And is I think if you if you keep it

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Speaker 5: at ten and the game doesn't end on the first touchdown,

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Speaker 5: I think you have a chance, a much bigger chance

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Speaker 5: for ties.

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Speaker 2: And I don't think anybody wants to ties.

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Speaker 4: Do so I don't want to put words in your wrap,

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Speaker 4: but I think he's saying is that the team that

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Speaker 4: possesses the ball first, there wouldn't be as much urgency

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Speaker 4: to move the football because you're trying to kill clock, right,

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Speaker 4: So like that's what they were trying to avoid, was

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Speaker 4: like they want they don't want teams sitting on the ball,

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Speaker 4: you know, so in a ten minute overtime, like maybe

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Speaker 4: there would be a little bit more Well.

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Speaker 5: I think it increases the chance.

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Speaker 4: I do too, but I feel like that's the answer

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Speaker 4: that they're giving is they don't want they want there

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Speaker 4: to there's to be an urgency to.

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Speaker 5: I don't know because I didn't see it. I just

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00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 5: like du said, mentioned that that was the which McKay

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00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 5: comment that they're trying to discourage teams from deferring in overtime,

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Speaker 5: and I just don't understand, and I don't understand even

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Speaker 5: whatever was saying that. If that's what he meant, I

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Speaker 5: think teams now have a chance. I saw Albert Breer

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Speaker 5: earlier tweeted this. You get the ball to start overtime

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00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 5: and the other team can can match you. You want

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00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:23,479
Speaker 5: to score and take up as much time as you can, right,

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00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 5: So I'm going to go in my four minute offense,

1140
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:29,360
Speaker 5: I'm going to try to go out and score while

1141
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 5: being cognizant of chewing clock, right, and if I can

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00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 5: go on an eight minute touchdown drive, which is not

1143
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:37,839
Speaker 5: abnormal at all, now, I really put the other team

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00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 5: behind the eight ball.

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00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, now I will say that strategy wise, I agree,

1146
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:45,719
Speaker 2: and strategy wise, with ten minutes, you know, I do

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00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 2: want to get the ball first because I don't know

1148
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:49,800
Speaker 2: if I'm probably never going to get it back again,

1149
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,840
Speaker 2: So I would want the ball first regardless. Yeah, well overtime,

1150
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 2: well I would too, even if it's fifteen minutes, there

1151
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 2: might be three possessions. If I can get two of them,

1152
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:00,319
Speaker 2: I want that right.

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00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 2: Now, I know, like.

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00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 4: You know, the nerds are going to be crunching these numbers.

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00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:05,760
Speaker 2: With unlimited time.

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00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 5: You could make an argument for deferring, like I think

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00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:10,840
Speaker 5: it happened in the Super Bowl, like the San Francisco,

1159
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:13,280
Speaker 5: Kansas City like that to me, like, there's no time.

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00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 5: I'm not worried about the end of the quarter, you

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00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 5: know what I mean? Yeah, so that that would be

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00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 5: a little bit different.

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00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:21,879
Speaker 4: But can we ask Deuce the important questions now?

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00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 2: Sure?

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00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 4: So, Deuce, have you had the party yet? I know

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00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 4: there's always a party.

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00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 11: Oh, there's there's some good tidbits from the party. Unfortunately,

1168
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 11: it was a little bit marred by inclement weather and

1169
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 11: we were outside to begin and then the lightning started striking,

1170
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 11: so they had to move some of it inside, but

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00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:42,400
Speaker 11: too highlights to share with you guys, the first one

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00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:44,919
Speaker 11: being Serena Williams was there, who you know, pretty cool,

1173
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:47,319
Speaker 11: all that athlete, kind of kind of fun to see

1174
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 11: her there. And then a little bit of a story

1175
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:52,799
Speaker 11: so we're getting ready to wrap up the night, and

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00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:55,360
Speaker 11: you know, Matt Smith was saying, maybe we should sneak

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00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:56,719
Speaker 11: out the back, and I said, now, you know, let's

1178
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 11: just walk out the front. So as we're walking out

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00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 11: the front, I lay eyes on some spiky bleached hair,

1180
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 11: a longer go tea, some sunglasses, and I said, oh

1181
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 11: my god, it's one of Massimith's personal heroes, Guy Fieri

1182
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 11: in the flesh here at the NFL Owners Meeting party.

1183
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 11: So I I, you know, I know that this is

1184
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:18,359
Speaker 11: going to go over gread.

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00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 2: I look at.

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00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 11: I said, Matt, Guy Fieri is here. He was very excited.

1187
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:27,279
Speaker 11: He went over there, uh talk.

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00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 2: You know.

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00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 11: I got a little video of him like standing in line,

1190
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 11: not in line, but just kind of getting his way

1191
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:35,720
Speaker 11: into the into the little group that that Guy Fiery

1192
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 11: was with. Uh, and then had a nice conversation with him,

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00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 11: told him how much he appreciates Guy Theeryra Cannatcho.

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00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 9: Uh.

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00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 11: Guy Fiery very gracious. And then as Matt was after

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00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:50,880
Speaker 11: they after they stopped speaking, that was stop briefly at

1197
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:54,319
Speaker 11: Nick Ksia's wife to say hello, and Guy Fiery came

1198
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 11: walking by and gave out a big pat on the

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Speaker 11: bag and like, all right, buddy, I have a good one.

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Speaker 11: So Matt was on cloud nine.

1201
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 5: Wow, So deuce in terms of in terms of overall excitement,

1202
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:09,919
Speaker 5: the excitement level on a scale of Matt meeting Guy

1203
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 5: Fieri and you looking long only at Mike Rabel when

1204
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 5: he's talking, where would you put?

1205
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 2: Where would you put? Matt?

1206
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:19,400
Speaker 11: I got to get Mat the edge on that one.

1207
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know about that.

1208
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:24,879
Speaker 11: I'm always acutely where But look, Mike Rabel makes jokes.

1209
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 11: You guys know me. I'm a laugher, I'm a smiler,

1210
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 11: so they could audience, you know, Mike, Mike. Mike Rabel

1211
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 11: starts flaming Felger about playing tight end and dropping the

1212
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 11: ball in his last game and constantly team to win,

1213
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 11: which I found delightful. Uh. And so of course I

1214
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 11: get clicked with the pick, smiling and laughing at the

1215
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 11: joke as everyone else was. But it seems like I'm

1216
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 11: just getting there like a big idiot with a dumb

1217
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 11: smile on my face and everything.

1218
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:49,319
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1219
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 4: Well no, yeah, that would be after it de sa

1220
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 4: I have you know, I get fomo about the owner's

1221
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:58,479
Speaker 4: meetings not being there with you, so you know, how's

1222
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:01,840
Speaker 4: the media doing, you know, how has what's the temperature

1223
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:02,319
Speaker 4: right now?

1224
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 2: Good question, yeah, mood, question mood mood.

1225
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:07,879
Speaker 11: I would say it's a pretty good mood. I think

1226
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 11: everyone's pretty excited, you know, to be in some warm

1227
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:14,720
Speaker 11: weather right now. Uh So that was overall the biggest

1228
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 11: thing for me. A little bit of a scramble this

1229
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:20,440
Speaker 11: morning doing r kk's interview. We had a location we

1230
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:21,960
Speaker 11: had to move, so we were a little bit of

1231
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 11: a scramble going on this morning, but didn't didn't see

1232
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 11: many of the media out party and too hard last night.

1233
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 11: It was pretty low key affair compared to some of

1234
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 11: the owner's meetings. Wild maybe because it was inside, but

1235
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:38,479
Speaker 11: it was a little bit more crowded, a little harder

1236
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 11: to get food and drinks and stuff. So I think

1237
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 11: everybody usually carved out a spot on a couch or

1238
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 11: table and kind of held their own area like that.

1239
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 11: So nothing, nothing too crazy. Everybody's here and you know,

1240
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 11: excited talk to Brabel and the good stuff yesterday from

1241
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 11: him and then again today with r KK and the

1242
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 11: Brave and the Parcels news.

1243
00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 2: Knowing how ultra competitive the media is is there starting

1244
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:04,440
Speaker 2: to be a little bit of resentment towards Karen her

1245
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 2: preferential treatment. I hope not, but are you know some

1246
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 2: of the guys starting to, like, you know, not treat

1247
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 2: her the same.

1248
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 4: Like why does she always get the first question?

1249
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, Helen, Helen Thomas, Yeah, yeah, I.

1250
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 11: Think they're I think they're following Rabel's leads from that

1251
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 11: initial press conference that he uh that he had where

1252
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 11: he called you know that I would have called on

1253
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 11: Karen first, and so they're a little bit deferring to her.

1254
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 11: But you know, we tried to stay for a seat

1255
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 11: at the table. She's an established member.

1256
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 2: So I mean, I think she deserves good for her.

1257
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 11: But I think it's funny. I think. I don't know

1258
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 11: if you guys watched it, but Rabel said, I'm not

1259
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 11: finish yet. You're kind of joking with her a little bit,

1260
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 11: so he was. He was having some fun with her too,

1261
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 11: and you know, good questions there's always from Karen, So

1262
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 11: no resentment yet. I don't know how you could present Karen.

1263
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 2: Well, you know, but these guys are they're very very competitive.

1264
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 2: I would I almost I wish they would show it

1265
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 2: on how they covered the team. WHOA.

1266
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 4: I'm only starting to feel going to Glass right over

1267
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 4: that I'm honest to feel dad for Karen because now

1268
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 4: you have to have a question because you.

1269
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:06,479
Speaker 5: Know that he be read and he does it every time.

1270
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 5: He's like he's Karen and she's like, oh, I guess

1271
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 5: I'm up.

1272
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, you gotta now every press conference, like during

1273
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 4: the season, we talked to him three four times a week,

1274
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 4: So now is she gonna have to have a question

1275
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 4: every single.

1276
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 2: I would be yeah, that'd be a lot of pressure

1277
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 2: at that.

1278
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 4: Exactly.

1279
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 2: All right, Mike, anything else before we let you go?

1280
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 2: Is it lunchtime? There? Are you gonna eat?

1281
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 11: Yeah, we just grab some food and we're getting ready

1282
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 11: to head down to Fort Lauderdale to catch our flight back.

1283
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 11: So I'll be back in the office tomorrow. Looking forward

1284
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 11: to seeing you guys, getting back on the show. It's

1285
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:38,600
Speaker 11: been a quick trip, but good one as always. And

1286
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:41,160
Speaker 11: uh yeah, different, you know, just different vibe. I would

1287
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 11: say you can feel. I mean it's kind of cliche,

1288
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 11: but I think the excitement around the team, it just

1289
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 11: feels like a renewed sense of energy. You heard Able

1290
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 11: talk about it, you heard Robert talk a little bit

1291
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 11: about it today. I think those things are continuing to happen,

1292
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 11: and I think we're all getting excited to see what happens.

1293
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 2: A few weeks in the draft sounds good? All right, Dost,

1294
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:01,640
Speaker 2: we'll see you tomorrow.

1295
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 11: I gay you are.

1296
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 2: Safe travels.

1297
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:08,600
Speaker 5: You hung up on you, You hung up safe travels, Michael.

1298
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 2: All right, good time to take a break. We're gonna

1299
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 2: do that when we come back. More calls and emails

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01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 2: here on Patriots Unfiltered. Whether you're in the game or

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Speaker 13: Exclusions apply, like on the young receivers has talked about,

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Speaker 13: and also the offense right with Josh.

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Speaker 2: You know that offense. You saw it for years with

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Speaker 2: Tom Van.

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Speaker 13: It's been difficult for receivers, young receivers to be able

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Speaker 13: to pick it up with the side adjustments and some

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Speaker 13: of the other stuff. So how close is this offense

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Speaker 13: that Josh is gonna run gonna be to what he

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Speaker 13: ran when Brady was there?

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Speaker 2: Or will you make changes to me?

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Speaker 1: Be changes?

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Speaker 14: There has to be changes, right, you know, there has

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Speaker 14: to be We have to start somewhere, and uh, you know,

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Speaker 14: to say that that Drake is gonna be, you know,

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Speaker 14: six years, I don't think that that's fair to say. So,

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Speaker 14: you know, we're gonna start with a foundation and those

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Speaker 14: are the most important things, and building and making sure

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Speaker 14: that the receivers. We're not just gonna go past something

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Speaker 14: because it says it on a schedule like the if

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Speaker 14: it takes us an extra day, then it takes us

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Speaker 14: an extra day. If it takes us an extra week

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Speaker 14: to get the first couple of installs in, then that's

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Speaker 14: what it's gonna take. We're not just gonna gloss over

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Speaker 14: things we believe strongly and teaching and helping those players

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Speaker 14: and figuring out how they learn best and making sure

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Speaker 14: that we're doing everything we can to give them a

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Speaker 14: chance to help themselves.

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Speaker 2: Mike, Joe Milton.

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Speaker 3: I'm just curious your thoughts on him and if there's

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Speaker 3: any sense from conversations with other teams that you might

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Speaker 3: and discusting any potential discussions with other teams.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, I think Joe's did everything that they asked them

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Speaker 14: to do last year. It sounds like in conversations that

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Speaker 14: he worked extremely hard, and that's tough when you're quarterback.

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Speaker 14: Everybody wants to play, everybody wants to be the starter

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Speaker 14: everybody and that's great to have that attitude. And he

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Speaker 14: was ready for his opportunity there late in the season,

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Speaker 14: which I commend him on just like I would any

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Speaker 14: player that sat there and went through a long season,

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Speaker 14: a difficult season, and then got the opportunity, went out,

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Speaker 14: won a football game, played well, helped his team win,

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Speaker 14: and then you know where that leads to. We'll see

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Speaker 14: as the draft approaches or you know where where Joe

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Speaker 14: is on April seventh to start our offseason program. But

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Speaker 14: you know, you have to give Joe credit for being

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Speaker 14: ready to go with going from the third quarterback to

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Speaker 14: being able to win that football game and stay ready

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Speaker 14: and stay hungry.

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Speaker 11: Well, I love that game.

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Speaker 2: Your life would be easier for you right now had

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Speaker 2: they lost. Are you happy that they won? Given that

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Speaker 2: as a coach, as a.

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Speaker 14: Player, yeah, I mean it's a difficult season. You know,

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Speaker 14: you want to compete and fight that those players out

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Speaker 14: there were doing everything that they could to win a

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Speaker 14: football game, and I think that's the mentality. That's the

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Speaker 14: environment that you want to create. So to say that

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Speaker 14: there's any other reason, I think that that's that's not

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Speaker 14: what you want to create. And somebody has the first pick,

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Speaker 14: somebody is going to have the second to third. But

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Speaker 14: you know those players, man, it's uh, put yourself in

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Speaker 14: their position like that. To get that opportunity to go

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Speaker 14: out there and play and to compete and put tape

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Speaker 14: out there like that, that's important. That's important for their career.

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Speaker 14: That's important to instill that in a football team. And

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Speaker 14: you know, I don't think you could have it any

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Speaker 14: other way. So I'm proud of all those guys that

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Speaker 14: did that and they fought and they won a football game.

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Speaker 2: You guys matched the off sheet on Christian Ellis. Why

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Speaker 2: was that important for you guys to do.

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Speaker 8: Well?

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Speaker 14: And this was a difficult decision. It was one that we,

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Speaker 14: you know, ultimately decided that a young ascending player that

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Speaker 14: has this skill set and speed and you know, feel

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Speaker 14: like he can do a lot of different things for us,

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Speaker 14: and that he's his arrow was up, and that we

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Speaker 14: felt like we wanted to keep him on the roster.

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Speaker 14: So in order to do that, we had to match

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Speaker 14: the offer sheet. And you know, Christian is excited by

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Speaker 14: all accounts to be back. We're excited to have them.

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Speaker 14: You know, this is a player. The more he played,

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Speaker 14: I think, the better that he got. Was very good

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Speaker 14: on third down and fourth down, and then first and

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Speaker 14: second down. The more he played, the better he got

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Speaker 14: off first and second down.

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Speaker 2: Joint practices the summer anything setting Stone there.

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Speaker 14: Still waiting for the NFL, but have had conversations with Minnesota, Washington.

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Speaker 14: I think would like to come up. We'd love to

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Speaker 14: go to Minnesota if the NFL you know, gives it

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Speaker 14: those opportunities.

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Speaker 3: Well to Minnesota.

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Speaker 2: Uh Cheese Kurds.

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Speaker 14: We practiced with them a few years ago in Tennessee.

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Speaker 14: It's a nice setup. They've got a beautiful facility. There's

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Speaker 14: a hotel close by, can walk to the field. You know,

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Speaker 14: just enjoyed working with Kevin and and b flow On

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Speaker 14: in their team.

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Speaker 15: One of the most important things you have to do

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Speaker 15: leading up to the draft for you personally the next

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Speaker 15: four weeks or.

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Speaker 14: So, just have enough exposure with those players in the

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Speaker 14: first few rounds that we see, you know, the top

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Speaker 14: one hundred and one hundred and fifty players that you know.

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Speaker 14: I got to have enough exposure. And our scouting department

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Speaker 14: has done a fantastic job. Our personnel department with you know,

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Speaker 14: Elliott and Ryan and Cam Williams helping a student at macroll,

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Speaker 14: everybody you know, getting out and going different places and

1442
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Speaker 14: bringing guys in on thirty visits and making suggestions like, hey,

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Speaker 14: what do you think about this guy coming in? Let's

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Speaker 14: get some more information on this guy. And so I've

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Speaker 14: loved where the process has been. We worked well through

1446
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Speaker 14: the free agency process and being able to have a plan,

1447
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Speaker 14: being able to pivot off of that move quickly, be decisive.

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Speaker 14: Those were some things that we're really excited about. And

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Speaker 14: I think the balance for me is just making sure

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Speaker 14: that I'm doing everything I can with our current players,

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Speaker 14: but also making sure that stand up on you know,

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Speaker 14: the guys that we may add to our football team doesn't.

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Speaker 5: Find a running back yet, is that an area like

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Speaker 5: to address in the draft?

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Speaker 14: I mean, I think so having a young, good, young

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Speaker 14: runner something that's potentially something that we would like to do.

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Speaker 14: I thought the guys coming back, you know, I think

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Speaker 14: Remondre and you know, and Gibbe. I think obviously we're

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Speaker 14: a good one to two punch. You know, people are

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Speaker 14: going to talk about Remondre and putting the ball on

1461
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Speaker 14: the ground and he knows that, but we'll help him there.

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Speaker 2: And we're also you.

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Speaker 14: Know, we're going to help the other make sure the

1464
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Speaker 14: other ten players know that their job is to protect

1465
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Speaker 14: the guy with the ball as well. You know, there

1466
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Speaker 14: were some opportunities on there for for me to teach

1467
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Speaker 14: the other guys that, you know, that second guy in

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Speaker 14: the guy you don't see is the one that's making

1469
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Speaker 14: the making the making the fumble or causing the fumble.

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Speaker 14: And so it's a great opportunity for me to to

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Speaker 14: show those other players that they're guys, you know, the

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Speaker 14: one coming in there to knock the ball loose. And

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Speaker 14: so is that gonna all be on the running back.

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Speaker 2: No, it's going to be on the guy.

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Speaker 14: That's letting his guy get in there and and make

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Speaker 14: make the hits. So those are great opportunities for me,

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Speaker 14: but I won't love to add good young players on

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Speaker 2: Was the person.

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Speaker 12: And now great moments in.

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Speaker 2: History. But Fred would taste better a tender or a wing.

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Speaker 2: A wing if it's done right, because the skin is

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Speaker 2: all from one check. I think I think the bone

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Speaker 5: I like bone in but I there's times that, hey,

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Speaker 5: I'm perfectly satisfied with my tenders right, like when we

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Speaker 2: You fat bastard, you can't even drop them wash your

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Speaker 2: Plan your revolutionary weekend at Massachusetts two fifty dot org.

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01:11:20,160 --> 01:11:24,160
Speaker 2: So there you go. Okay, it's a.

1517
01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:25,840
Speaker 4: Good time a year to come to Massachusetts.

1518
01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:26,800
Speaker 2: It's always a good time.

1519
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:28,120
Speaker 4: Starting to get a little warmer out.

1520
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:31,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, although it's going to rain a lot this week.

1521
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:33,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was trying to sell it.

1522
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:38,040
Speaker 2: Got some painting in on Sunday, so that was good.

1523
01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:47,200
Speaker 2: What's your pain outside? Some trim sniffs? Yeah, let's go

1524
01:11:47,320 --> 01:11:56,400
Speaker 2: to the hotline. Eldred's on North Carolina. What's up? Eldred? Good?

1525
01:11:57,400 --> 01:11:58,599
Speaker 16: Hey, want to play book?

1526
01:11:58,640 --> 01:11:59,080
Speaker 8: Coming back on?

1527
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:02,240
Speaker 2: It isn't we've canceled the playbook?

1528
01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:05,240
Speaker 16: Okay, all right, Dan?

1529
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:08,880
Speaker 11: Yeah, Well two things, Paul, yes, sir.

1530
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:13,600
Speaker 16: Sep on t mac evan. I love speed too, but

1531
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:17,600
Speaker 16: he gets ran a four or five in a confine

1532
01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:19,840
Speaker 16: and so they Evan, but it came out better receiver.

1533
01:12:20,479 --> 01:12:24,040
Speaker 16: So it's all how you play. But I think you'd

1534
01:12:24,040 --> 01:12:28,120
Speaker 16: be better with Joe and he will be thick or ten.

1535
01:12:30,120 --> 01:12:31,120
Speaker 2: Six or ten.

1536
01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:33,880
Speaker 16: Both the guys, yeah, because they got some of the

1537
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:36,320
Speaker 16: draft got him going away the Daguars and.

1538
01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:43,240
Speaker 4: Than yeahs or nine yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, sure, Yeah.

1539
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:45,320
Speaker 5: I mean I think I think McMillan had a good

1540
01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:47,880
Speaker 5: college career. I'm just not convinced that he's going to

1541
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:50,080
Speaker 5: be a standout wide receiver. But you're right, there are

1542
01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:53,880
Speaker 5: other guys that were bigger guys that didn't necessarily have

1543
01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:55,280
Speaker 5: blazing speed that have succeeded.

1544
01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:56,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're you're absolutely right.

1545
01:12:58,400 --> 01:13:01,400
Speaker 16: This we got rid of Bentley. You think the draft

1546
01:13:01,479 --> 01:13:05,040
Speaker 16: with middle lineback in the draft and take it off there.

1547
01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:07,040
Speaker 2: I have a good one, all right, thanks we I

1548
01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:09,519
Speaker 2: don't think have we talked about the Bentley release on

1549
01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:11,960
Speaker 2: this show, doesn't I don't believe. I don't think we have.

1550
01:13:13,240 --> 01:13:16,120
Speaker 2: On Friday. That took me by surprise. You know, we

1551
01:13:16,160 --> 01:13:19,679
Speaker 2: talk about surprise cuts. To me, that was a surprise cut.

1552
01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:21,120
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1553
01:13:20,360 --> 01:13:22,000
Speaker 5: I know.

1554
01:13:22,040 --> 01:13:24,360
Speaker 4: There's a lot that is being made about the scheme

1555
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:27,439
Speaker 4: fit and that he wasn't necessarily a scheme fit at

1556
01:13:27,439 --> 01:13:30,160
Speaker 4: his size. But the way I took it and then

1557
01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:32,800
Speaker 4: Rabel kind of confirmed this yesterday more or less, is

1558
01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:35,840
Speaker 4: they're kind of looking for a culture reset, Like I

1559
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:38,679
Speaker 4: think they want new leaders, like they want a new

1560
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:41,400
Speaker 4: identity of the team and a new culture. And I

1561
01:13:41,439 --> 01:13:44,240
Speaker 4: think part of the one foot in, one foot out

1562
01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:48,360
Speaker 4: the door on the Dynasty, guys like David Andrews, Dietrich Wise,

1563
01:13:48,439 --> 01:13:51,519
Speaker 4: Jonathan Jones, Juwan Bentley, like they kind of were always

1564
01:13:51,560 --> 01:13:54,880
Speaker 4: hearkening back to the past with a lot of those

1565
01:13:54,920 --> 01:13:56,840
Speaker 4: guys and this is how he used to do it

1566
01:13:56,920 --> 01:14:00,000
Speaker 4: around here, and I think that Rabel's trying to charge

1567
01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:01,960
Speaker 4: his own course and he kind of got rid of

1568
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:02,200
Speaker 4: a lot.

1569
01:14:02,200 --> 01:14:04,120
Speaker 2: It could be. I mean, that's stuff I'm not aware of.

1570
01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:07,439
Speaker 2: But as a player, I thought his size and his

1571
01:14:07,560 --> 01:14:12,360
Speaker 2: style was complimentary to the other guys, like, Okay, he's

1572
01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:15,040
Speaker 2: your big guy, he's your he's your plugger, he's your

1573
01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:17,800
Speaker 2: and you know, then you have your speed guys. And

1574
01:14:17,880 --> 01:14:21,840
Speaker 2: I thought I thought it was a good compliment. Yeah,

1575
01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:26,440
Speaker 2: I mean I was. It was definitely not expected.

1576
01:14:27,200 --> 01:14:30,120
Speaker 5: I would stop short of surprise only because we've been

1577
01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:32,559
Speaker 5: talking a lot all off season. They are gonna be

1578
01:14:32,680 --> 01:14:34,719
Speaker 5: guys that are going to go that you're not expecting.

1579
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:35,880
Speaker 2: Just didn't think he'd be one.

1580
01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:38,719
Speaker 5: And that's another one. But that's that's what I'm saying,

1581
01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:42,519
Speaker 5: not expecting to go and they're gonna go. I think

1582
01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:45,479
Speaker 5: Godshaw was another one that you know that went. Now

1583
01:14:46,040 --> 01:14:48,439
Speaker 5: Wise and Jones are both free agents, so I think

1584
01:14:48,439 --> 01:14:54,960
Speaker 5: they're a little bit different. But you know, Andrews Bentley Godshaw,

1585
01:14:56,280 --> 01:15:00,280
Speaker 5: I was a little bit surprised by that, and I

1586
01:15:00,280 --> 01:15:04,639
Speaker 5: I would wonder, and you know what everything Evan said.

1587
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:06,160
Speaker 5: You know, there's a lot of talk about that in

1588
01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:11,880
Speaker 5: the in Vrabel's meeting yesterday, in his breakfast, I'm not

1589
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:14,040
Speaker 5: sure that I agree.

1590
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:14,920
Speaker 2: With that style.

1591
01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:20,400
Speaker 5: Like I'd never really looked at these these guys in

1592
01:15:20,479 --> 01:15:23,880
Speaker 5: question Bentley specifically as a guy like, well, that's not

1593
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:25,559
Speaker 5: the way we used to do it. Like he's never

1594
01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:27,080
Speaker 5: struck me as that kind of guy.

1595
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:28,920
Speaker 2: Like I said, I maybe this stuff behind that. I

1596
01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:29,360
Speaker 2: don't know.

1597
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:32,719
Speaker 5: He's always struck me as a really really good leader

1598
01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:34,599
Speaker 5: and role model in example.

1599
01:15:34,720 --> 01:15:36,720
Speaker 4: I don't think that that's not what I was saying. No, no,

1600
01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:37,559
Speaker 4: I'm not.

1601
01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:39,720
Speaker 2: Putting it on you. I think you're right. I think

1602
01:15:39,720 --> 01:15:40,800
Speaker 2: that's what Mike is doing.

1603
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:43,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't mean it like he's was like a

1604
01:15:43,880 --> 01:15:46,600
Speaker 4: bad teammate by any means. I just think that, you know,

1605
01:15:46,600 --> 01:15:48,920
Speaker 4: he said it in his introductory press conference, like the

1606
01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:50,880
Speaker 4: six banners are a good reminder, but they're not going

1607
01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:52,679
Speaker 4: to help us right right, And I think that he's

1608
01:15:52,720 --> 01:15:56,439
Speaker 4: trying to turn a new leaf where you know, Girod

1609
01:15:56,600 --> 01:15:59,720
Speaker 4: kind of just almost made an extension of the Belichick.

1610
01:16:00,479 --> 01:16:02,040
Speaker 2: He's clearing the way for his guys.

1611
01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:05,760
Speaker 5: And I was like, you know, in fairness, I wasn't

1612
01:16:05,760 --> 01:16:07,400
Speaker 5: in favor of what they did last year either by

1613
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:11,280
Speaker 5: bringing them all back, but I didn't necessarily see the need.

1614
01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:12,880
Speaker 2: To get rid of them all either. Yea.

1615
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:16,800
Speaker 5: So I mean this is these are not moves that

1616
01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:20,320
Speaker 5: are going to you know, dramatically alter the course. But

1617
01:16:20,760 --> 01:16:23,400
Speaker 5: I do think, you know, it was scheme related in

1618
01:16:23,439 --> 01:16:25,040
Speaker 5: a lot of ways too. I mean, I think clearly

1619
01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:29,600
Speaker 5: they want to be smaller and more you know, more athletic,

1620
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:31,639
Speaker 5: more mobile at that position.

1621
01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:34,400
Speaker 4: Elliot Wolf said it yesterday that that he was I

1622
01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:36,920
Speaker 4: think it was. Felger asked him about, you know, how

1623
01:16:36,920 --> 01:16:39,040
Speaker 4: the defense is going to change under label, and he said,

1624
01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:41,439
Speaker 4: not a ton, you know, other than an emphasis at

1625
01:16:41,680 --> 01:16:45,559
Speaker 4: at speed at the linebacker and team speed in general.

1626
01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:48,639
Speaker 4: You know, just watching some of the linebackers recently, kind

1627
01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:51,200
Speaker 4: of to Eldred's second question, there's a lot of guys

1628
01:16:51,880 --> 01:16:54,439
Speaker 4: that in this class in particular, it's actually a very

1629
01:16:54,439 --> 01:16:56,680
Speaker 4: good linebacker class. And there's a lot of guys in

1630
01:16:56,720 --> 01:17:00,360
Speaker 4: this class in particular that fit that mold, you know,

1631
01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:03,840
Speaker 4: a little bit undersized, but have great speed, good coverage ability. Right,

1632
01:17:04,120 --> 01:17:06,719
Speaker 4: And my only hesitation is kind of like what Fred

1633
01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:09,439
Speaker 4: was saying, like, don't you have to have one guy

1634
01:17:09,479 --> 01:17:11,559
Speaker 4: that's going to take up some space and it's going

1635
01:17:11,640 --> 01:17:14,080
Speaker 4: to stop the run. Like, you don't want to play

1636
01:17:14,120 --> 01:17:16,080
Speaker 4: two or three guys and everybody is two hundred and

1637
01:17:16,120 --> 01:17:18,760
Speaker 4: twenty pounds, right like, you would probably like to have

1638
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:21,040
Speaker 4: at least one guy, you know, even if it's just

1639
01:17:21,080 --> 01:17:24,120
Speaker 4: for short yardage and you know, goal line and like

1640
01:17:24,160 --> 01:17:26,960
Speaker 4: all that kind of stuff that can actually come downhill

1641
01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:28,519
Speaker 4: at the line of scrimmage. You know, there's a lot

1642
01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:32,320
Speaker 4: of you know, Chris Paul juniors and you know, Jeffrey

1643
01:17:32,360 --> 01:17:36,080
Speaker 4: Bosses and guys that are great coverage linebackers. But they

1644
01:17:36,439 --> 01:17:38,240
Speaker 4: have a lot of that you know already. They have

1645
01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:41,519
Speaker 4: speed and they have athleticism. So I am wondering where

1646
01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:44,320
Speaker 4: they might find that dumper, if they even care right

1647
01:17:44,320 --> 01:17:46,280
Speaker 4: about finding it.

1648
01:17:46,360 --> 01:17:48,400
Speaker 2: This email it doesn't want me to use his name,

1649
01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:52,840
Speaker 2: but he is very, very upset with Robert Kraft. He says,

1650
01:17:53,360 --> 01:17:57,880
Speaker 2: regarding the Parcels induction, I figured we get some of this, Yeah,

1651
01:17:57,920 --> 01:18:01,040
Speaker 2: he says, one bypassing voting as Parson been on the ballot,

1652
01:18:01,080 --> 01:18:03,880
Speaker 2: but we've never voted him in. He means the fans

1653
01:18:04,160 --> 01:18:07,120
Speaker 2: two Parcels is not as good as both Belichick and

1654
01:18:07,479 --> 01:18:11,080
Speaker 2: Chuck Fairbanks. Three. Chuck Fairbanks was a great coach and

1655
01:18:11,240 --> 01:18:13,360
Speaker 2: I for talent. Please remind your audience to some of

1656
01:18:13,400 --> 01:18:15,719
Speaker 2: his draft picks that set up this team with talent.

1657
01:18:15,800 --> 01:18:19,920
Speaker 2: Even after he left four, Fairbanks had more wins than

1658
01:18:19,960 --> 01:18:25,120
Speaker 2: any other Patriots coach until Belichick by passed him. Fairbanks

1659
01:18:25,120 --> 01:18:28,360
Speaker 2: never had a Belichick with him, as Parcells did for

1660
01:18:28,400 --> 01:18:33,200
Speaker 2: both Giants and Patriots. And Belichick in TB twelve is

1661
01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:38,360
Speaker 2: the foundation for RKK current Foxborough fiefdom. So f and

1662
01:18:38,439 --> 01:18:42,360
Speaker 2: pissed that RKK co opted the Hall of Fame process

1663
01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:46,640
Speaker 2: taking our votes away in inviting Belichick ahead of I

1664
01:18:46,640 --> 01:18:50,000
Speaker 2: mean Parcells, ahead of Belichick and Chuck Fairbanks. Now it's

1665
01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:54,080
Speaker 2: not ahead of it's not ahead of Belichick's not he's

1666
01:18:54,080 --> 01:18:59,040
Speaker 2: not eligible yet. So even you have to be four

1667
01:18:59,120 --> 01:19:02,120
Speaker 2: years retired before you're eligible for the Patriots Hall of Fame.

1668
01:19:02,240 --> 01:19:05,439
Speaker 2: So I guarantee when he's eligible, he will get in.

1669
01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:08,120
Speaker 2: But a Fairbanks is a fair one.

1670
01:19:08,240 --> 01:19:14,320
Speaker 4: Yeah. I wonder you know with Belichick, Let's see he

1671
01:19:14,320 --> 01:19:17,120
Speaker 4: coaches a year at North Carolina and he announces that

1672
01:19:17,160 --> 01:19:21,439
Speaker 4: he's done coaching. Yep, would they bypass the waiting period

1673
01:19:21,439 --> 01:19:22,639
Speaker 4: like they did with Tom Brady?

1674
01:19:22,840 --> 01:19:24,080
Speaker 2: I think they probably should.

1675
01:19:24,280 --> 01:19:27,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think they also could. You could just say

1676
01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:29,519
Speaker 5: like two more years and that would be the four years,

1677
01:19:29,720 --> 01:19:31,800
Speaker 5: because I would say last year he was out, this

1678
01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:34,080
Speaker 5: year he's in college, he's not in the NFL. To me,

1679
01:19:34,160 --> 01:19:37,720
Speaker 5: that's two years. Yeah, But I don't know what. I

1680
01:19:37,720 --> 01:19:40,040
Speaker 5: wouldn't be opposed to just waving it altogether.

1681
01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:41,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1682
01:19:41,080 --> 01:19:43,720
Speaker 5: The Fairbanks thing, we've We've talked about Fairbanks a lot

1683
01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:46,160
Speaker 5: in the meetings, and there was actually one year that

1684
01:19:46,200 --> 01:19:50,880
Speaker 5: I presented for Chuck Fairbanks, and I would absolutely back

1685
01:19:50,960 --> 01:19:53,240
Speaker 5: up a lot of things. It's funny because I think

1686
01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:56,080
Speaker 5: Evan's going to be bored to tears because this is,

1687
01:19:56,280 --> 01:19:59,360
Speaker 5: you know, before he was even thought of. There's a

1688
01:19:59,400 --> 01:20:01,720
Speaker 5: lot of similar it is between Parcels and Fairbanks. They

1689
01:20:01,720 --> 01:20:06,599
Speaker 5: were both elite talent evaluators. They both drafted exceptionally well.

1690
01:20:07,320 --> 01:20:11,600
Speaker 5: They both basically built teams by themselves in similar situations.

1691
01:20:11,680 --> 01:20:14,400
Speaker 5: Everything I said about Parcels inheriting nothing is the same.

1692
01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:15,360
Speaker 2: For Chuck Fairbanks.

1693
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:20,639
Speaker 5: The organization was just in shambles, and then he built

1694
01:20:20,640 --> 01:20:25,559
Speaker 5: the team and also ended up leaving in very controversial fashion.

1695
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:26,480
Speaker 2: Rights.

1696
01:20:26,760 --> 01:20:30,360
Speaker 5: It's uncanny how similar their candidacies are. I would absolutely

1697
01:20:30,360 --> 01:20:33,760
Speaker 5: be wholeheartedly in favor of Chuck Fairbanks also being in.

1698
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:38,000
Speaker 5: But it's one of those things like, you know, can

1699
01:20:38,040 --> 01:20:40,080
Speaker 5: you have it, you can't have everybody, you know.

1700
01:20:40,200 --> 01:20:42,560
Speaker 4: I think that's probably a built to me Bill Parcells,

1701
01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:44,599
Speaker 4: because I didn't you know, like I said earlier, didn't

1702
01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:47,000
Speaker 4: live the culture stuff and the changing you know that

1703
01:20:47,240 --> 01:20:50,080
Speaker 4: he brought in. But the players that he drafted that

1704
01:20:50,160 --> 01:20:54,400
Speaker 4: were then a part of Dynasty one point zero. I mean,

1705
01:20:54,439 --> 01:20:56,519
Speaker 4: that's that's a big part of lay in the foundation.

1706
01:20:56,600 --> 01:20:58,760
Speaker 4: I mean, you remember the picks better than me. But

1707
01:20:58,800 --> 01:21:00,160
Speaker 4: you know Willie mc ginnis, you know that.

1708
01:21:01,520 --> 01:21:05,879
Speaker 5: Law Malloy, Brusk, Johnson, Uh, you know this he.

1709
01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:09,640
Speaker 2: But he got him, he brought it, brought inanity.

1710
01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:12,320
Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean that's kind of his defense, right. I

1711
01:21:12,320 --> 01:21:15,360
Speaker 4: mean you just named it pretty much besides Seymour everybody.

1712
01:21:15,479 --> 01:21:18,280
Speaker 2: Not only his defense, it's his style of defense. Yeah.

1713
01:21:18,479 --> 01:21:28,320
Speaker 5: You know, now again Fairbanks, you know it was Hannah Haynes, Brock, Fox, Claiborne, Morgan.

1714
01:21:28,680 --> 01:21:31,720
Speaker 5: It was just like one stud after the next when

1715
01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:35,760
Speaker 5: he he drafted all of those guys, Steve Nelson, Steve Drogan, Yeah,

1716
01:21:36,479 --> 01:21:38,880
Speaker 5: Grogan stud for that time.

1717
01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:42,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, right ahead of his time Freddie has a dual threat. Yeah,

1718
01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:44,160
Speaker 2: he was a running quarterback.

1719
01:21:44,720 --> 01:21:47,040
Speaker 5: He's really only one It was really, I mean legitimately,

1720
01:21:47,040 --> 01:21:48,519
Speaker 5: he was really only a one thread quarterback.

1721
01:21:48,560 --> 01:21:52,080
Speaker 2: Because the Pages still hold that record for team rushing

1722
01:21:52,120 --> 01:21:52,879
Speaker 2: in the season.

1723
01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:56,200
Speaker 5: I believe the Ravens they passed them, passed them a

1724
01:21:56,200 --> 01:21:57,000
Speaker 5: couple of years ago.

1725
01:21:57,640 --> 01:22:01,439
Speaker 2: If I'm not mistaken, Let's go to Fidel and Tampa.

1726
01:22:01,520 --> 01:22:06,000
Speaker 2: What's up Fidel?

1727
01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:15,080
Speaker 15: Uh So, I want to say if I'm looking board

1728
01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:22,439
Speaker 15: with draft, as I really am. Okay, my only thought

1729
01:22:22,479 --> 01:22:24,880
Speaker 15: for us behind it is like if Abdul Cornor and

1730
01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:28,600
Speaker 15: Travis Hunter go and if you had to put your mortgage,

1731
01:22:28,600 --> 01:22:31,439
Speaker 15: that one player coming out of this draft is going

1732
01:22:31,479 --> 01:22:32,479
Speaker 15: to go to the Hall of Fame.

1733
01:22:33,160 --> 01:22:33,639
Speaker 16: To me, I.

1734
01:22:33,560 --> 01:22:36,479
Speaker 15: Think it's happened to be, even though I know the

1735
01:22:36,479 --> 01:22:40,960
Speaker 15: positional value at four or betrayed back stick isn't there.

1736
01:22:42,640 --> 01:22:43,360
Speaker 2: I didn't do that.

1737
01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:47,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, that line was struggling, But I get the gist

1738
01:22:47,160 --> 01:22:49,479
Speaker 5: of what he's saying, and I can't argue.

1739
01:22:49,600 --> 01:22:50,280
Speaker 2: I don't hate it.

1740
01:22:51,560 --> 01:22:54,519
Speaker 5: Again, I like to Evan and I disagree on a

1741
01:22:54,560 --> 01:22:56,120
Speaker 5: lot of stuff, and we agree on a lot of stuff,

1742
01:22:56,120 --> 01:22:57,599
Speaker 5: and this is one of the ones that we agree on.

1743
01:22:57,680 --> 01:23:00,720
Speaker 2: I don't think the guy that you draft, let's say,

1744
01:23:00,720 --> 01:23:03,720
Speaker 2: in the top five of any draft, should have a

1745
01:23:03,760 --> 01:23:05,960
Speaker 2: possibility in your mind to be a Hall of Famer.

1746
01:23:07,240 --> 01:23:08,400
Speaker 2: Should that be a criteria.

1747
01:23:08,680 --> 01:23:09,360
Speaker 4: It's a high bar.

1748
01:23:09,720 --> 01:23:11,760
Speaker 2: It is a high bar. No, But like that's not

1749
01:23:11,800 --> 01:23:12,960
Speaker 2: really the point of what he was saying.

1750
01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:17,000
Speaker 5: I know he's saying that he has the potential to

1751
01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:19,960
Speaker 5: be if you had to bet on one guy, yeah,

1752
01:23:20,160 --> 01:23:20,920
Speaker 5: that he would bet on.

1753
01:23:21,320 --> 01:23:22,880
Speaker 2: I can't argue with that.

1754
01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:27,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, I can't argue that either. I just I just

1755
01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:30,639
Speaker 4: keep on going back to philosophically, just building a football team.

1756
01:23:30,680 --> 01:23:33,880
Speaker 4: And if you put, if you draft Ashton Genty first

1757
01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:37,360
Speaker 4: of all, then Day two better be all offensive lineman, like.

1758
01:23:37,240 --> 01:23:38,120
Speaker 2: You you better.

1759
01:23:38,320 --> 01:23:40,720
Speaker 4: You better throw as many darts at left tackle and

1760
01:23:41,160 --> 01:23:44,120
Speaker 4: even left guard as you possibly can. Like you have

1761
01:23:44,200 --> 01:23:48,640
Speaker 4: to build it, uh successfully around that style, Like you

1762
01:23:48,680 --> 01:23:51,280
Speaker 4: are going to have to have a dominant offensive line

1763
01:23:51,920 --> 01:23:54,160
Speaker 4: in front of Ashton Genty. I think the part that

1764
01:23:54,240 --> 01:23:56,840
Speaker 4: I come back to is the notion that Ashton Genty

1765
01:23:56,920 --> 01:23:58,519
Speaker 4: is going to turn a bad offensive line into a

1766
01:23:58,560 --> 01:24:01,799
Speaker 4: good one is just not true. Yeah, that's not gonna happen.

1767
01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:04,639
Speaker 4: He can turn a solid offensive line into a great

1768
01:24:04,680 --> 01:24:08,760
Speaker 4: one or you know, elevate you know that situation. But

1769
01:24:08,920 --> 01:24:11,400
Speaker 4: if they put the same product in front of him

1770
01:24:11,680 --> 01:24:14,080
Speaker 4: on the line that they had last year, he's not

1771
01:24:14,120 --> 01:24:16,720
Speaker 4: going to gonna be worth the pick. It's just not

1772
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:19,880
Speaker 4: gonna work out. So I just look at it that

1773
01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:22,599
Speaker 4: way personally, that I just I have a tough time

1774
01:24:22,680 --> 01:24:26,080
Speaker 4: envisioning them having an environment that will allow him. Like

1775
01:24:26,120 --> 01:24:29,280
Speaker 4: when the Cowboys drafted Zeke, Like, they had multiple Hall

1776
01:24:29,320 --> 01:24:32,000
Speaker 4: of Famers on their offensive line, they had a great

1777
01:24:32,040 --> 01:24:34,880
Speaker 4: offensive line, so he came in and he was, you know,

1778
01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:37,120
Speaker 4: instantly one of the best running backs in the NFL.

1779
01:24:37,439 --> 01:24:39,720
Speaker 4: I just don't think the Patriots have that setup for

1780
01:24:39,840 --> 01:24:44,000
Speaker 4: gent and that that would be my hesitation Antoine's and Mississippi.

1781
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:48,080
Speaker 2: Hey, Antwin, Hey, how are you doing? Okay?

1782
01:24:48,640 --> 01:24:49,479
Speaker 11: So I have a question.

1783
01:24:49,640 --> 01:24:53,280
Speaker 9: So we all agree that we're in a new regime

1784
01:24:53,439 --> 01:24:56,439
Speaker 9: right with the new management and the new coaching statup,

1785
01:24:57,120 --> 01:25:00,519
Speaker 9: and for the past through draft, the Patriots have just

1786
01:25:00,640 --> 01:25:05,240
Speaker 9: been they're waiting for the pig, like they're not aggressive

1787
01:25:05,280 --> 01:25:07,720
Speaker 9: at all. And I really think there hasn't been a

1788
01:25:07,880 --> 01:25:12,240
Speaker 9: narrative to where the Patriots should like trade up, not

1789
01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:15,080
Speaker 9: to number one, but maybe to number two, and that

1790
01:25:15,200 --> 01:25:18,080
Speaker 9: way Cleveland can stay in the midstic gif Abduill Carter,

1791
01:25:18,600 --> 01:25:21,439
Speaker 9: and we can get Travis Hunter, because I think that'll

1792
01:25:21,479 --> 01:25:22,920
Speaker 9: be a great option for us, and I think that

1793
01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:25,799
Speaker 9: it wouldn't cost as much as people would think. Maybe

1794
01:25:25,840 --> 01:25:27,439
Speaker 9: we have two thirds this year, we can give them

1795
01:25:27,479 --> 01:25:29,800
Speaker 9: a third of fields, and we have three favorites. We

1796
01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:31,880
Speaker 9: give us seven and maybe a second round next year,

1797
01:25:32,400 --> 01:25:34,559
Speaker 9: and Nick should be enough to go up, you know,

1798
01:25:34,680 --> 01:25:36,400
Speaker 9: to go and get them. But I just think that

1799
01:25:36,600 --> 01:25:38,840
Speaker 9: right now we need to be more aggressive. And people

1800
01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:42,200
Speaker 9: really aren't talking about trading up. They're just talking about

1801
01:25:42,240 --> 01:25:45,160
Speaker 9: trading back, trading back or just waiting to see what

1802
01:25:45,280 --> 01:25:47,800
Speaker 9: happens for us, And we should really be more aggressive,

1803
01:25:48,640 --> 01:25:50,080
Speaker 9: like like they said that we we're gonna be.

1804
01:25:51,520 --> 01:25:55,080
Speaker 2: I mean, I can't argue with that either. I mean

1805
01:25:55,760 --> 01:25:59,040
Speaker 2: there's a there's an argument for both. I want more players.

1806
01:25:59,040 --> 01:26:01,240
Speaker 2: I don't want to give up all those assets, but

1807
01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:05,360
Speaker 2: let's get somebody who can make a difference, and we

1808
01:26:05,400 --> 01:26:08,080
Speaker 2: know can make a difference. Whether it's Carter or those

1809
01:26:08,120 --> 01:26:10,280
Speaker 2: are Yeah, those are the two guys that are worth

1810
01:26:10,320 --> 01:26:12,919
Speaker 2: trading up for now. I think it would Thanks Antoine,

1811
01:26:12,960 --> 01:26:13,519
Speaker 2: I think you're.

1812
01:26:13,360 --> 01:26:15,600
Speaker 5: Gonna give up a lot of assets that I'm not

1813
01:26:15,600 --> 01:26:17,800
Speaker 5: sure that you're can afford to.

1814
01:26:17,760 --> 01:26:20,000
Speaker 2: Give out going from four to two. Yeah. I think

1815
01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:20,400
Speaker 2: he's right.

1816
01:26:20,439 --> 01:26:22,360
Speaker 5: I think it's going to cost you some draft picks

1817
01:26:22,400 --> 01:26:24,920
Speaker 5: to do that, because everybody else thinks that there's only

1818
01:26:24,920 --> 01:26:25,960
Speaker 5: two guys in the draft too.

1819
01:26:26,120 --> 01:26:27,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, right.

1820
01:26:28,120 --> 01:26:30,720
Speaker 4: Like I don't hate the idea of it. I don't

1821
01:26:30,720 --> 01:26:31,160
Speaker 4: hate it.

1822
01:26:31,320 --> 01:26:32,240
Speaker 2: I don't I would.

1823
01:26:32,040 --> 01:26:34,320
Speaker 4: Probably prefer to try to trade up from thirty eight.

1824
01:26:34,479 --> 01:26:36,760
Speaker 4: I think if you trade it up from thirty eight

1825
01:26:36,880 --> 01:26:39,679
Speaker 4: back into the end of the first round, there might

1826
01:26:39,720 --> 01:26:44,040
Speaker 4: be some tackles and receivers that are maybe more value there.

1827
01:26:44,080 --> 01:26:48,439
Speaker 4: You know, an Arianta Nursery, Josh Connery, you know Mecca Buka,

1828
01:26:48,520 --> 01:26:52,360
Speaker 4: Matthew Golden, like those guys might still be available at

1829
01:26:52,360 --> 01:26:54,680
Speaker 4: that point of the draft. That, okay, we didn't have

1830
01:26:54,760 --> 01:26:57,280
Speaker 4: to reach on. We don't think that Will Campbell's going

1831
01:26:57,320 --> 01:26:58,680
Speaker 4: to make it at tackle, so now we don't have

1832
01:26:58,720 --> 01:26:59,160
Speaker 4: to reach out.

1833
01:26:59,160 --> 01:26:59,880
Speaker 2: I like that idea.

1834
01:27:00,400 --> 01:27:03,080
Speaker 4: I probably that's still being aggressive to me, Like it's

1835
01:27:03,120 --> 01:27:06,240
Speaker 4: not aggressive like the caller was talking about necessarily, but

1836
01:27:06,600 --> 01:27:09,479
Speaker 4: I think actually pulling off a trade back into the

1837
01:27:09,479 --> 01:27:12,040
Speaker 4: first round to make two first round picks would be

1838
01:27:12,040 --> 01:27:12,799
Speaker 4: pretty enticing.

1839
01:27:13,720 --> 01:27:18,200
Speaker 2: Frasier in edin Bleagh, Scotland rites in after the Digs

1840
01:27:18,240 --> 01:27:20,240
Speaker 2: signing last week, I've come to think that we are

1841
01:27:20,280 --> 01:27:23,439
Speaker 2: almost certain to take Will Campbell. Rabel has shown in

1842
01:27:23,479 --> 01:27:25,320
Speaker 2: the last few weeks that he has set on filling

1843
01:27:25,320 --> 01:27:27,080
Speaker 2: as many of the gaping holes that we have on

1844
01:27:27,120 --> 01:27:29,719
Speaker 2: the roster. I'd say that left tackle is the largest

1845
01:27:29,720 --> 01:27:33,000
Speaker 2: of the holes that we have, so it is inconceivable

1846
01:27:33,080 --> 01:27:35,880
Speaker 2: that he won't address that position this offseason. I know

1847
01:27:35,920 --> 01:27:38,479
Speaker 2: there are doubts about Campbell, but we can only pick

1848
01:27:38,520 --> 01:27:41,040
Speaker 2: from what's available, and it seems that he's the best

1849
01:27:41,120 --> 01:27:46,880
Speaker 2: left tackle this year, so we should take him. Sounds logic, Yeah,

1850
01:27:46,920 --> 01:27:48,759
Speaker 2: I agree, Yeah, I agree.

1851
01:27:49,000 --> 01:27:52,000
Speaker 4: Yeah. I find it hard to believe that it won't

1852
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:55,000
Speaker 4: be one of the two tackles, whether it's Membo or Campbell,

1853
01:27:55,360 --> 01:27:57,840
Speaker 4: if Carter and Hunter are gone, if Carter and Hunter

1854
01:27:58,160 --> 01:28:00,240
Speaker 4: make it to four, one of those guys, I think

1855
01:28:00,240 --> 01:28:02,960
Speaker 4: he's the pick. But if it's not that, then I

1856
01:28:03,320 --> 01:28:04,880
Speaker 4: think it's gonna be one of those two tackles. And

1857
01:28:04,920 --> 01:28:07,760
Speaker 4: one of the things he said yesterday that you know

1858
01:28:07,800 --> 01:28:09,800
Speaker 4: he's talking right to me when he said this, he said,

1859
01:28:10,040 --> 01:28:14,000
Speaker 4: you know you want need and best available to kind

1860
01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:17,040
Speaker 4: of marry up together, you know, not this notion that

1861
01:28:17,080 --> 01:28:20,439
Speaker 4: it's always just best player available, best player last week.

1862
01:28:20,520 --> 01:28:23,040
Speaker 2: Like you don't just like ignore a need that's not

1863
01:28:23,120 --> 01:28:24,080
Speaker 2: That's not how you do it.

1864
01:28:24,160 --> 01:28:27,439
Speaker 4: So hearing him say that and hearing him talk about

1865
01:28:27,439 --> 01:28:30,280
Speaker 4: the tackles, it seems to me like they know left

1866
01:28:30,280 --> 01:28:33,120
Speaker 4: tackles the biggest need on their on their roster right now,

1867
01:28:33,120 --> 01:28:36,120
Speaker 4: and they have two guys that they like at that spot.

1868
01:28:36,600 --> 01:28:39,640
Speaker 2: H David Bethlehem writes in this draft is hard to evaluate.

1869
01:28:40,240 --> 01:28:43,080
Speaker 2: So many players had stalled development during COVID in their

1870
01:28:43,120 --> 01:28:46,599
Speaker 2: formative years. Vrabel is smart to bring in Multiple coaches

1871
01:28:46,960 --> 01:28:49,920
Speaker 2: agree with Fred Campbell has true grit, Paul and Evan

1872
01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:52,080
Speaker 2: who should be the Patriot's second round pick.

1873
01:28:53,760 --> 01:28:57,080
Speaker 5: I love Evan's trade with Matthew Golden. I really like him.

1874
01:28:57,120 --> 01:28:59,160
Speaker 5: If you can get high enough for him, and if

1875
01:28:59,160 --> 01:29:01,439
Speaker 5: you could get into the fund and do something like that,

1876
01:29:01,680 --> 01:29:03,040
Speaker 5: I'd be in favor of that.

1877
01:29:04,040 --> 01:29:05,479
Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't know.

1878
01:29:05,640 --> 01:29:07,840
Speaker 5: I mean, everyone would know the particulars of the guys

1879
01:29:07,880 --> 01:29:09,599
Speaker 5: that are going to be around thirty eight more than

1880
01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:10,080
Speaker 5: I would.

1881
01:29:10,360 --> 01:29:14,120
Speaker 4: I think the three guys that I've kind of looked

1882
01:29:14,280 --> 01:29:18,000
Speaker 4: a little bit extra at recently. Ursery, the left tackle

1883
01:29:18,040 --> 01:29:21,599
Speaker 4: from Minnesota, big guy, you know, kind of like a

1884
01:29:22,439 --> 01:29:25,120
Speaker 4: not quite as big as like Trent Brown, but a

1885
01:29:25,160 --> 01:29:27,680
Speaker 4: bigger tackle. You know, that's what you're getting with him.

1886
01:29:27,720 --> 01:29:30,280
Speaker 4: Connery is a smaller tackle that's a little bit more

1887
01:29:30,280 --> 01:29:32,759
Speaker 4: athletic and a little bit of a better pass blocker.

1888
01:29:32,840 --> 01:29:35,240
Speaker 4: So like those two guys, and then I don't know

1889
01:29:35,320 --> 01:29:38,200
Speaker 4: what is going to end up happening on draft weekend

1890
01:29:38,240 --> 01:29:40,679
Speaker 4: with Luther Burden. You know, there's a lot of teams

1891
01:29:40,720 --> 01:29:43,799
Speaker 4: that have some off the field concerns about his makeup

1892
01:29:43,840 --> 01:29:46,840
Speaker 4: and his attitude and all that kind of stuff. He

1893
01:29:46,920 --> 01:29:49,360
Speaker 4: could fall out of the first round as a result,

1894
01:29:49,760 --> 01:29:53,240
Speaker 4: And to me, he is a first round talent all

1895
01:29:53,280 --> 01:29:56,639
Speaker 4: the way. So do you roll the dice a little

1896
01:29:56,640 --> 01:29:59,240
Speaker 4: bit at thirty eight and say, you know, we really

1897
01:29:59,240 --> 01:30:00,960
Speaker 4: need star power a receiver.

1898
01:30:00,760 --> 01:30:03,360
Speaker 2: He give me this year's ad Mitchell, yeah.

1899
01:30:03,120 --> 01:30:05,320
Speaker 4: Or yeah, something along those lines, you know, we really

1900
01:30:05,400 --> 01:30:08,200
Speaker 4: need It's not enough like we need a needle mover

1901
01:30:08,280 --> 01:30:11,400
Speaker 4: at that position. Yeah, he's got some wards with him

1902
01:30:11,439 --> 01:30:14,320
Speaker 4: in terms of his character, but you know, Rabel will

1903
01:30:14,320 --> 01:30:16,439
Speaker 4: be on him and they'll they'll get him you know,

1904
01:30:16,479 --> 01:30:19,120
Speaker 4: to stay on the tracks, and he's a to me,

1905
01:30:19,200 --> 01:30:21,320
Speaker 4: he's a top twenty player in the draft just based

1906
01:30:21,320 --> 01:30:23,639
Speaker 4: off the tape. But he's got some of those.

1907
01:30:23,520 --> 01:30:27,280
Speaker 2: Wards Rusty and Arlin. Not sure if Paul is doing

1908
01:30:27,320 --> 01:30:29,559
Speaker 2: a poll, but I am very much in favor of

1909
01:30:29,600 --> 01:30:32,080
Speaker 2: Parcels being in the Hall of Fame. I'm glad they

1910
01:30:32,080 --> 01:30:34,799
Speaker 2: are able to honor Parcels while he's still alive and healthy.

1911
01:30:35,240 --> 01:30:38,559
Speaker 2: Can you talk about how the Bled Cell Parcels years felt.

1912
01:30:38,920 --> 01:30:42,200
Speaker 2: From what I understand, Parcels left over not having enough

1913
01:30:42,200 --> 01:30:45,719
Speaker 2: personnel control. I know people were angry about how he left.

1914
01:30:46,080 --> 01:30:48,479
Speaker 2: Was there a sense they should have given him more control?

1915
01:30:48,720 --> 01:30:50,720
Speaker 2: Were people ready for him to leave by the end

1916
01:30:51,080 --> 01:30:54,240
Speaker 2: when Belchik came in. Did you genuinely believe he could

1917
01:30:54,240 --> 01:30:55,840
Speaker 2: win a Super Bowl with Bled Cell?

1918
01:30:57,840 --> 01:31:01,000
Speaker 5: I mean I did, but I meant was my guy?

1919
01:31:02,080 --> 01:31:04,160
Speaker 2: Yeah? That was That was the crux of it. It

1920
01:31:04,280 --> 01:31:05,920
Speaker 2: was control of personnel.

1921
01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:10,240
Speaker 5: I think that there was some a lack of trust because,

1922
01:31:10,320 --> 01:31:13,599
Speaker 5: as Fred said earlier in the show, there was some

1923
01:31:13,760 --> 01:31:17,360
Speaker 5: restlessness on Parcells' behalf that led you to believe that

1924
01:31:17,360 --> 01:31:18,719
Speaker 5: he wasn't there for the long haul.

1925
01:31:18,840 --> 01:31:20,160
Speaker 2: And I think.

1926
01:31:20,120 --> 01:31:25,240
Speaker 5: The team felt we can't necessarily just continue to give

1927
01:31:25,320 --> 01:31:27,559
Speaker 5: him all the control of the personnel if he's not

1928
01:31:27,640 --> 01:31:30,240
Speaker 5: going to make us any insurance assurances that he's going

1929
01:31:30,320 --> 01:31:34,160
Speaker 5: to stay. So that sort of led to a culmination

1930
01:31:34,320 --> 01:31:37,040
Speaker 5: for the ninety six draft where they kind of undercut

1931
01:31:37,120 --> 01:31:41,360
Speaker 5: him and and took took the picks away. I think

1932
01:31:41,760 --> 01:31:47,000
Speaker 5: to the detriment some people would argue, but I felt like,

1933
01:31:47,439 --> 01:31:51,680
Speaker 5: you know, there their plan of Brackens and Muhammad that

1934
01:31:51,720 --> 01:31:55,559
Speaker 5: was parcel What Parcels wanted might have been better than

1935
01:31:56,200 --> 01:31:57,639
Speaker 5: than Terry Glenn and Laurie Maloy.

1936
01:31:57,800 --> 01:32:00,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. I I was just they ended up there. I

1937
01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:05,080
Speaker 2: was upset that he left. And I remember going to

1938
01:32:05,120 --> 01:32:07,840
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl and the rumors had already started that

1939
01:32:07,920 --> 01:32:10,120
Speaker 2: this was it. He was gone. Oh yeah, by the

1940
01:32:10,160 --> 01:32:12,240
Speaker 2: time the Super Bowl rolled around, it was. And we

1941
01:32:12,240 --> 01:32:16,160
Speaker 2: were on the plane and Parcels had his friend, longtime

1942
01:32:16,280 --> 01:32:18,800
Speaker 2: coach that I think coached him in high school or something.

1943
01:32:18,840 --> 01:32:20,920
Speaker 2: I forget. The name of the guy might have been

1944
01:32:20,960 --> 01:32:24,120
Speaker 2: like Read something. Everybody back then was named Red. But

1945
01:32:24,280 --> 01:32:27,040
Speaker 2: he was a He was a guy that, like Parcels,

1946
01:32:27,040 --> 01:32:29,120
Speaker 2: had known his whole life. And he brought him along

1947
01:32:29,640 --> 01:32:32,720
Speaker 2: for the Super Bowl, and I remember the guy came

1948
01:32:32,800 --> 01:32:35,280
Speaker 2: up and he was going by me, and I stopped him,

1949
01:32:35,800 --> 01:32:37,960
Speaker 2: and I said, can you tell Bill not to leave?

1950
01:32:38,479 --> 01:32:42,000
Speaker 2: You know, tell him to stay. Freddie always always felt

1951
01:32:42,040 --> 01:32:46,000
Speaker 2: like he could. Yeah. No, I wanted, like, knowing all

1952
01:32:46,040 --> 01:32:49,000
Speaker 2: the the drama that he could be, he could be

1953
01:32:49,040 --> 01:32:51,280
Speaker 2: a diva, But I wanted to stay. He was a

1954
01:32:51,280 --> 01:32:56,719
Speaker 2: great coach, and I liked Parcels. But absolutely I was pissed.

1955
01:32:56,920 --> 01:33:00,360
Speaker 2: I was pissed that he was leaving, you know. Uh

1956
01:33:00,680 --> 01:33:04,599
Speaker 2: So that's that's how I felt. Spiin Fresno. Fred I'm allowed,

1957
01:33:04,760 --> 01:33:06,800
Speaker 2: Am I allowed to already have a man crush? And

1958
01:33:06,880 --> 01:33:11,560
Speaker 2: Mike Vrabel. Great interview at Vidya, great interview at the

1959
01:33:11,600 --> 01:33:15,280
Speaker 2: league meeting yesterday. He's poised and confident without talking down

1960
01:33:15,320 --> 01:33:18,759
Speaker 2: to people. He seems to provide meaningful information without giving

1961
01:33:18,760 --> 01:33:21,719
Speaker 2: away company secrets, and he sounds like a coach without

1962
01:33:21,800 --> 01:33:25,000
Speaker 2: overdoing the coach speak. I'm not just Bill bashing. And

1963
01:33:25,040 --> 01:33:28,040
Speaker 2: we'll see what happens when the season starts. But this

1964
01:33:28,160 --> 01:33:30,559
Speaker 2: is a breath of fresh air so far. I might

1965
01:33:30,600 --> 01:33:34,559
Speaker 2: ask Rapes to prompt with Paul as my backup, given

1966
01:33:34,560 --> 01:33:36,920
Speaker 2: how s felt he's looking these days. Oh thank you,

1967
01:33:37,200 --> 01:33:39,679
Speaker 2: thank you, very much. There you go.

1968
01:33:40,120 --> 01:33:41,080
Speaker 4: That's true.

1969
01:33:41,520 --> 01:33:45,080
Speaker 5: So I I really, and I've said this a million times,

1970
01:33:45,160 --> 01:33:48,960
Speaker 5: I love Mike and I really enjoyed covering him as

1971
01:33:48,960 --> 01:33:51,160
Speaker 5: a player. He would be in that certainly in that

1972
01:33:51,200 --> 01:33:54,439
Speaker 5: top five or so of players. So I really feel like,

1973
01:33:56,000 --> 01:33:58,040
Speaker 5: you know, he's a guy that I know pretty well.

1974
01:33:59,840 --> 01:34:02,559
Speaker 5: I would just caution, you know, in terms of how

1975
01:34:02,600 --> 01:34:05,679
Speaker 5: he deals with the media, let's let's wait until it starts,

1976
01:34:06,400 --> 01:34:09,200
Speaker 5: because I saw some of his press conferences with Tennessee

1977
01:34:09,720 --> 01:34:12,040
Speaker 5: and I'm not sure all the Tennessee media would agree

1978
01:34:12,080 --> 01:34:17,240
Speaker 5: with that characterization the talking down to specifically, I think

1979
01:34:17,280 --> 01:34:20,200
Speaker 5: Mike is pretty fiery, oh yeah, and he could be

1980
01:34:20,280 --> 01:34:24,519
Speaker 5: a smart he's pretty emotional. Yeah, right now, it's kind

1981
01:34:24,520 --> 01:34:25,759
Speaker 5: of the honey, great.

1982
01:34:26,400 --> 01:34:29,519
Speaker 4: But I do like that it's very clear that he

1983
01:34:29,680 --> 01:34:33,880
Speaker 4: has a vision for what he wants in players, like

1984
01:34:33,920 --> 01:34:37,320
Speaker 4: we haven't goad him to the games yet, you right,

1985
01:34:37,400 --> 01:34:40,880
Speaker 4: But in terms of what he's looking for and players specifically,

1986
01:34:41,920 --> 01:34:44,320
Speaker 4: I think you could name any position on the roster

1987
01:34:44,479 --> 01:34:48,160
Speaker 4: and say safeties, like what is how does a Patriot

1988
01:34:48,240 --> 01:34:50,720
Speaker 4: safety play? For Mike Rabel and he would have a

1989
01:34:50,760 --> 01:34:55,520
Speaker 4: full answer of you know, from my you know, details

1990
01:34:55,560 --> 01:34:57,840
Speaker 4: to not you know, to more boiler plate stuff of

1991
01:34:58,120 --> 01:35:01,320
Speaker 4: what exactly he would look for in an ideal safety

1992
01:35:01,360 --> 01:35:03,759
Speaker 4: and I don't know if that's true for every coach.

1993
01:35:03,960 --> 01:35:08,919
Speaker 2: Right, let's go to Patty and aga. What's up Patty?

1994
01:35:09,360 --> 01:35:10,639
Speaker 11: Hey, good afternoon, gentlemen.

1995
01:35:11,080 --> 01:35:15,679
Speaker 10: Hey, I wanted to get into a little draft and Brett,

1996
01:35:15,680 --> 01:35:17,599
Speaker 10: I was wondering if you let me complain a little

1997
01:35:17,600 --> 01:35:20,040
Speaker 10: about some of the rules proposals.

1998
01:35:20,520 --> 01:35:26,080
Speaker 2: Sure, I'm I'm preserved to.

1999
01:35:26,120 --> 01:35:28,559
Speaker 10: The fact that we're probably gonna draft wool Campbell, which

2000
01:35:28,640 --> 01:35:30,880
Speaker 10: is I never thought it would have been a bad pick,

2001
01:35:31,120 --> 01:35:34,439
Speaker 10: you know. I all accounts, like if you look at

2002
01:35:34,439 --> 01:35:37,080
Speaker 10: his numbers, to the pressures that he gave up, the

2003
01:35:37,120 --> 01:35:38,920
Speaker 10: amount of time that he started, the fact that he

2004
01:35:38,960 --> 01:35:41,960
Speaker 10: didn't miss games and played against top level competition in

2005
01:35:42,040 --> 01:35:45,080
Speaker 10: the SCC for three years, you know, starting since the

2006
01:35:45,120 --> 01:35:48,280
Speaker 10: first date that he walked on campus. All that stuff

2007
01:35:48,320 --> 01:35:51,280
Speaker 10: adds up to you know, I think he'll be pretty

2008
01:35:51,280 --> 01:35:57,000
Speaker 10: good tactical. You know, he's so so far, so okay,

2009
01:35:59,000 --> 01:36:03,640
Speaker 10: I'm sorry to see how that goes. Evan, I'm with you, Like,

2010
01:36:03,720 --> 01:36:06,559
Speaker 10: if Burdon is there at thirty eight, I would the

2011
01:36:06,640 --> 01:36:09,160
Speaker 10: two guys like, I love Jalen Noel, but Polly, like

2012
01:36:09,240 --> 01:36:10,599
Speaker 10: your guy, we don't have.

2013
01:36:10,560 --> 01:36:11,960
Speaker 11: A guy like Jayden Niggts.

2014
01:36:12,000 --> 01:36:15,320
Speaker 10: We don't have that typical extraceater. I wouldn't mind seeing

2015
01:36:15,360 --> 01:36:17,000
Speaker 10: either one of those two guys at thirty eight.

2016
01:36:17,840 --> 01:36:19,000
Speaker 11: And as far as.

2017
01:36:18,840 --> 01:36:22,360
Speaker 10: Like the rules go, I don't mean to sound like

2018
01:36:22,360 --> 01:36:26,320
Speaker 10: a grumpy old man, but I like the NFL back

2019
01:36:26,400 --> 01:36:31,160
Speaker 10: before they switched to like seventeen playoffs, back when overtime

2020
01:36:31,160 --> 01:36:34,040
Speaker 10: with sudden deaths. I don't like the fact that both

2021
01:36:34,080 --> 01:36:36,760
Speaker 10: teams they're proposing both teams get the ball in overtime.

2022
01:36:37,479 --> 01:36:40,000
Speaker 10: I propose this. I know you said it's the funk now, Frett,

2023
01:36:40,040 --> 01:36:42,000
Speaker 10: but on the playbook a couple of years ago that

2024
01:36:42,640 --> 01:36:45,040
Speaker 10: they should just go either one or two things, go

2025
01:36:45,120 --> 01:36:47,759
Speaker 10: back to sudden deaths, or play a fifteen minute period

2026
01:36:47,800 --> 01:36:50,479
Speaker 10: and whoever's who's ever in the lead, or if it's

2027
01:36:50,479 --> 01:36:52,000
Speaker 10: sad at the end, just end it.

2028
01:36:52,160 --> 01:36:52,559
Speaker 16: That's it.

2029
01:36:54,840 --> 01:36:57,800
Speaker 2: I think this is pretty close to that. Yeah, this

2030
01:36:57,920 --> 01:36:58,880
Speaker 2: is pretty close to that.

2031
01:37:00,479 --> 01:37:04,120
Speaker 5: I think if you play fifteen minutes, yeah, it's going

2032
01:37:04,200 --> 01:37:08,360
Speaker 5: to be like now, unfortunately it's only ten, right, but

2033
01:37:08,680 --> 01:37:11,759
Speaker 5: I think you're gonna get Yeah, with both teams getting

2034
01:37:11,760 --> 01:37:13,160
Speaker 5: the ball, it's going to be kind of who wins

2035
01:37:13,160 --> 01:37:13,519
Speaker 5: the quarter.

2036
01:37:13,600 --> 01:37:15,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean. I'm all for a

2037
01:37:15,760 --> 01:37:18,439
Speaker 2: change if it's good change, and I think both teams

2038
01:37:18,479 --> 01:37:21,800
Speaker 2: having a possession is a good change. I agree. Yeah,

2039
01:37:21,880 --> 01:37:23,240
Speaker 2: football is a unique.

2040
01:37:22,960 --> 01:37:25,280
Speaker 5: Game, and I know the numbers don't necessarily say it

2041
01:37:25,320 --> 01:37:27,599
Speaker 5: was just the team that won the toss wins all

2042
01:37:27,640 --> 01:37:29,720
Speaker 5: the time. I know that doesn't back that up, but

2043
01:37:30,280 --> 01:37:31,160
Speaker 5: it's an advantage.

2044
01:37:31,360 --> 01:37:34,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, it kind of feels more like now that it's

2045
01:37:34,400 --> 01:37:36,679
Speaker 4: almost like college style, except you just have to drive

2046
01:37:36,720 --> 01:37:39,040
Speaker 4: the whole field instead of getting right because it'd be

2047
01:37:39,080 --> 01:37:41,160
Speaker 4: way too easy in the NFL to make it college

2048
01:37:41,160 --> 01:37:44,240
Speaker 4: style where they shorten the fields, you know, down so much.

2049
01:37:44,320 --> 01:37:46,880
Speaker 4: But you know, I think that's what it is now.

2050
01:37:46,920 --> 01:37:49,240
Speaker 4: It's basically college like. You know, it's told surf.

2051
01:37:49,479 --> 01:37:52,639
Speaker 2: I think sudden death works in hockey, works in soccer,

2052
01:37:52,800 --> 01:37:55,240
Speaker 2: but for other sports it's you.

2053
01:37:55,160 --> 01:38:00,000
Speaker 5: Know, well, because there's is possession, right, this fluid change

2054
01:38:00,320 --> 01:38:03,400
Speaker 5: like having the puck in hockey, isn't the advantage that

2055
01:38:03,439 --> 01:38:05,800
Speaker 5: it is Having the football and foot right in the

2056
01:38:05,960 --> 01:38:06,559
Speaker 5: NFL is.

2057
01:38:06,600 --> 01:38:10,880
Speaker 2: Right, right, So, and basketball it doesn't make sense because

2058
01:38:10,880 --> 01:38:11,960
Speaker 2: there's too many points scored.

2059
01:38:12,160 --> 01:38:15,120
Speaker 4: But mast money is a tweak it's overtime too. It's

2060
01:38:15,160 --> 01:38:15,559
Speaker 4: too long.

2061
01:38:15,680 --> 01:38:17,000
Speaker 2: Too long, it takes five minutes.

2062
01:38:17,040 --> 01:38:20,559
Speaker 4: It's five minutes. But like now at a three point shot,

2063
01:38:20,680 --> 01:38:22,600
Speaker 4: like you could build a ten point lead in the

2064
01:38:22,640 --> 01:38:25,400
Speaker 4: first minute of overtime and lose it by the end

2065
01:38:25,439 --> 01:38:27,120
Speaker 4: of it. It's it's too long. They got to do

2066
01:38:27,160 --> 01:38:27,760
Speaker 4: something about that.

2067
01:38:28,360 --> 01:38:32,040
Speaker 2: I thought five minutes is pretty good. Sure, I like

2068
01:38:32,280 --> 01:38:33,880
Speaker 2: I'm getting ready to start paying attention.

2069
01:38:34,439 --> 01:38:36,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, coming down the home stretch now, yeah, I like,

2070
01:38:36,880 --> 01:38:38,680
Speaker 4: you know, like maybe it's like, you know how when

2071
01:38:38,720 --> 01:38:41,400
Speaker 4: you were kids, like first to eleven, right, Like maybe

2072
01:38:41,439 --> 01:38:43,679
Speaker 4: like have it be like a certain amount of points

2073
01:38:43,680 --> 01:38:47,280
Speaker 4: that you have to get to, uh instead of time

2074
01:38:47,360 --> 01:38:48,320
Speaker 4: to overtime.

2075
01:38:48,400 --> 01:38:54,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, let's see. Rick writes in he's in Rhode Island.

2076
01:38:54,760 --> 01:38:57,000
Speaker 2: Hope they get rid of the automatic first down for

2077
01:38:57,080 --> 01:39:00,160
Speaker 2: five yard penalty. I think they already can that one, right.

2078
01:39:00,200 --> 01:39:01,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's not happening.

2079
01:39:01,360 --> 01:39:05,400
Speaker 2: That's for defensive holding. Also, they should combine defensive holding,

2080
01:39:05,479 --> 01:39:09,320
Speaker 2: illegal contact, and passive appearance into one ten yard penalty

2081
01:39:09,360 --> 01:39:12,519
Speaker 2: for passive appearance with no automatic first down same as

2082
01:39:12,600 --> 01:39:13,799
Speaker 2: offensive passing appearance.

2083
01:39:13,800 --> 01:39:15,719
Speaker 5: Well, ten yard penalties is going to be a first

2084
01:39:15,760 --> 01:39:19,040
Speaker 5: down ninety nine percent of the time. Yeah, Like, how

2085
01:39:19,040 --> 01:39:20,880
Speaker 5: many times do you have third and longer than ten?

2086
01:39:21,000 --> 01:39:24,400
Speaker 2: I know, but I I I, and I understand why

2087
01:39:24,400 --> 01:39:27,959
Speaker 2: they didn't incorporate this because there's just too much incentive

2088
01:39:27,960 --> 01:39:30,680
Speaker 2: if it's you know, fourth and twelve or third and

2089
01:39:30,720 --> 01:39:33,479
Speaker 2: twelve to just grab them, just grab them. Yeah, and

2090
01:39:33,520 --> 01:39:37,120
Speaker 2: then ten yard penalty it's fourth down, right.

2091
01:39:37,120 --> 01:39:40,559
Speaker 4: Or if it's a legal contact five yard penalty, it's

2092
01:39:40,800 --> 01:39:43,040
Speaker 4: third and twelve. Now it's just third and seven, which

2093
01:39:43,080 --> 01:39:45,880
Speaker 4: is also still a pretty low percentage conversion rate. So

2094
01:39:46,479 --> 01:39:49,720
Speaker 4: if it's too much incentive, the defense can just grab guys, right.

2095
01:39:49,840 --> 01:39:53,920
Speaker 5: I am very much against making passive appearance a ten

2096
01:39:54,000 --> 01:39:56,559
Speaker 5: yard penalty. I think the spot follow is good. Now,

2097
01:39:56,920 --> 01:39:58,880
Speaker 5: does that mean that I agree with the way they

2098
01:39:58,880 --> 01:40:02,639
Speaker 5: call it? No, but it should be. Do you talk

2099
01:40:02,640 --> 01:40:05,960
Speaker 5: about incentive when you're down fifty yards down and you

2100
01:40:05,960 --> 01:40:07,880
Speaker 5: just say, oh, I'm beat, I'm just going to tackle, right,

2101
01:40:08,240 --> 01:40:10,040
Speaker 5: because it's only going to be a ten yard penalty

2102
01:40:10,160 --> 01:40:11,880
Speaker 5: that would happen constantly.

2103
01:40:11,439 --> 01:40:13,400
Speaker 2: And that's why the rule is the way it is.

2104
01:40:13,800 --> 01:40:16,320
Speaker 2: That said, I agree with Paul, you got to call

2105
01:40:16,360 --> 01:40:20,160
Speaker 2: it better and it's not where you review. Assistance comes

2106
01:40:20,200 --> 01:40:22,280
Speaker 2: in the play and I think it should be a

2107
01:40:22,960 --> 01:40:25,200
Speaker 2: reviewable penalty.

2108
01:40:24,840 --> 01:40:28,040
Speaker 5: Especially on balls, you know, significantly down the field. Make

2109
01:40:28,080 --> 01:40:31,960
Speaker 5: it be passing Apperance. I was watching It's funny. I

2110
01:40:32,040 --> 01:40:35,000
Speaker 5: was watching an NFL network over the weekend. They had

2111
01:40:35,479 --> 01:40:39,639
Speaker 5: they were running the eighteen Conference championship, so the Patriots

2112
01:40:39,760 --> 01:40:41,479
Speaker 5: Chiefs was on. I was watching that a little bit.

2113
01:40:41,800 --> 01:40:45,320
Speaker 5: But before that, they had the Saints and Rams, and

2114
01:40:45,360 --> 01:40:48,760
Speaker 5: that that play egregious passing appearance by the Rams that

2115
01:40:48,800 --> 01:40:50,760
Speaker 5: they didn't call at the end. And I still say,

2116
01:40:50,880 --> 01:40:55,200
Speaker 5: and I give Troy Aikman and Joe Bock talked about

2117
01:40:55,200 --> 01:40:56,640
Speaker 5: it a little bit, but no one talked about this

2118
01:40:56,720 --> 01:40:58,599
Speaker 5: in the aftermath of the game. It's just how badly

2119
01:40:58,640 --> 01:41:01,799
Speaker 5: Sean Payton screwed that up. It should have never gotten

2120
01:41:01,800 --> 01:41:03,599
Speaker 5: to the point where they needed that pass and appearance

2121
01:41:03,640 --> 01:41:04,080
Speaker 5: to be called.

2122
01:41:04,120 --> 01:41:05,200
Speaker 2: Even though they got screwed.

2123
01:41:05,640 --> 01:41:07,880
Speaker 5: That was one of the most egregiously missed calls I've

2124
01:41:07,920 --> 01:41:12,679
Speaker 5: ever seen, bar none. But they had that long pass

2125
01:41:12,720 --> 01:41:15,559
Speaker 5: to Ted Ginn down there, they were in field goal range.

2126
01:41:15,560 --> 01:41:17,320
Speaker 5: All they had to do is run the ball three times,

2127
01:41:17,360 --> 01:41:19,640
Speaker 5: make the Rams use the rest of their timeouts, and

2128
01:41:19,760 --> 01:41:21,280
Speaker 5: kick a field goal with no time left, and the

2129
01:41:21,280 --> 01:41:23,840
Speaker 5: game's over instead the game of instead the.

2130
01:41:23,800 --> 01:41:26,880
Speaker 4: Rule of threw the ball twice.

2131
01:41:27,200 --> 01:41:29,479
Speaker 5: They threw it twice and in the second one was

2132
01:41:29,520 --> 01:41:32,040
Speaker 5: the one that so they threw an incomplete pass and

2133
01:41:32,040 --> 01:41:34,080
Speaker 5: then they got the pass in apperance that they didn't call.

2134
01:41:34,560 --> 01:41:36,240
Speaker 2: Now, had they called it, he would have gotten away

2135
01:41:36,280 --> 01:41:36,479
Speaker 2: with it.

2136
01:41:36,520 --> 01:41:41,240
Speaker 5: But sure like Sean Payton did not take anywhere near

2137
01:41:41,400 --> 01:41:44,559
Speaker 5: enough criticism for how he botched that down the stretch.

2138
01:41:45,120 --> 01:41:48,480
Speaker 2: Rick also says, as for Parcels, I believe the disgraceful

2139
01:41:48,520 --> 01:41:51,760
Speaker 2: way he left was was a disqualifier. It is a

2140
01:41:51,760 --> 01:41:55,360
Speaker 2: shamecraft pushed aside the selection process to induct Parcels. Yes,

2141
01:41:55,720 --> 01:41:57,200
Speaker 2: he is the owner and can do what he wants,

2142
01:41:57,240 --> 01:42:00,240
Speaker 2: but this is disgraceful. If Parcells couldn't get in through

2143
01:42:00,240 --> 01:42:04,720
Speaker 2: the regular process, he shouldn't be in. Well, yeah, I

2144
01:42:04,760 --> 01:42:08,960
Speaker 2: agree with that. Listen, I'm on record about my stance there.

2145
01:42:08,960 --> 01:42:12,760
Speaker 2: But let's say that you do think he was you know,

2146
01:42:12,800 --> 01:42:16,760
Speaker 2: he should get in the process hurt him because of

2147
01:42:16,880 --> 01:42:19,200
Speaker 2: all the players that he's going up again. It's hurting

2148
01:42:19,200 --> 01:42:22,160
Speaker 2: Wes Welker right now. Yeah, and so there is a

2149
01:42:22,280 --> 01:42:27,880
Speaker 2: chance that he could get in, but post humorously, posthumously,

2150
01:42:28,640 --> 01:42:32,160
Speaker 2: and that's not good, you know so, And again I

2151
01:42:32,160 --> 01:42:35,559
Speaker 2: think I think maybe that's something that Robert Craft took

2152
01:42:35,560 --> 01:42:38,400
Speaker 2: into consideration by doing it now. You don't want to

2153
01:42:38,400 --> 01:42:42,519
Speaker 2: wait until it's too late. It's a fair point, Dave

2154
01:42:42,560 --> 01:42:46,040
Speaker 2: in San Marcos, Texas. Raymond Barry deserves to get into

2155
01:42:46,080 --> 01:42:48,960
Speaker 2: the Patriots Hall of Fame before Bill Parcells. He coached

2156
01:42:48,960 --> 01:42:52,080
Speaker 2: here longer, has a better regular season and playoff record,

2157
01:42:52,400 --> 01:42:55,360
Speaker 2: first Patriot super Bowl appearance, and coached that first NFL

2158
01:42:55,439 --> 01:42:58,400
Speaker 2: team to win three road playoff games and route and

2159
01:42:58,479 --> 01:43:01,080
Speaker 2: route to the Super Bowl. Also, he did not try

2160
01:43:01,120 --> 01:43:02,960
Speaker 2: to screw the Patriots on his way out the door.

2161
01:43:04,360 --> 01:43:07,920
Speaker 2: Raymond Berry. See, this is where the bar has gotten

2162
01:43:07,920 --> 01:43:10,519
Speaker 2: too low. So I'll just say no, this.

2163
01:43:12,439 --> 01:43:17,760
Speaker 5: Is where no one can really eliminate their personal hatred,

2164
01:43:18,080 --> 01:43:21,360
Speaker 5: because anyone that would suggest that Raymond Barry did more

2165
01:43:21,400 --> 01:43:25,200
Speaker 5: for the Patriots than Bill Parcells is doing so solely

2166
01:43:25,280 --> 01:43:30,080
Speaker 5: based on hatred of Bill Parcells. Like I loved Raymond

2167
01:43:30,080 --> 01:43:33,000
Speaker 5: Berry as the coach. He inherited a team that had

2168
01:43:33,000 --> 01:43:35,280
Speaker 5: been in the playoffs like two years earlier, and that

2169
01:43:35,320 --> 01:43:37,479
Speaker 5: should have been in the playoffs the year he inherited it,

2170
01:43:39,520 --> 01:43:41,479
Speaker 5: and he ended up doing a nice job with them,

2171
01:43:41,880 --> 01:43:43,040
Speaker 5: They got to a Super.

2172
01:43:42,760 --> 01:43:44,160
Speaker 2: Bowl, they overachieved great.

2173
01:43:45,000 --> 01:43:47,639
Speaker 5: I had nothing bad to say about Raymond Berry. Bill

2174
01:43:47,720 --> 01:43:51,280
Speaker 5: Parcells built what you think is the Patriots. Now, he

2175
01:43:51,400 --> 01:43:55,160
Speaker 5: started that and Belichick obviously brought it to heights that

2176
01:43:55,200 --> 01:43:59,799
Speaker 5: we never imagined. But there's no comparison between the impact

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01:43:59,840 --> 01:44:02,040
Speaker 5: that ourselves out on the Patriots and the impact and

2178
01:44:02,080 --> 01:44:02,280
Speaker 5: you have.

2179
01:44:02,439 --> 01:44:05,120
Speaker 2: When it comes to team Hall of Fame, you have

2180
01:44:05,240 --> 01:44:07,760
Speaker 2: to take into consideration what they did for the.

2181
01:44:07,720 --> 01:44:10,840
Speaker 5: Team, right, and you hate him because he left you, right,

2182
01:44:11,000 --> 01:44:13,120
Speaker 5: And I get that the way. You're not wrong for

2183
01:44:13,200 --> 01:44:14,240
Speaker 5: feeling that way.

2184
01:44:14,280 --> 01:44:16,600
Speaker 2: Listen, if I was in charge of the world, we

2185
01:44:16,600 --> 01:44:19,000
Speaker 2: wouldn't have to worry about this conversation because none of

2186
01:44:19,000 --> 01:44:21,320
Speaker 2: them would get in. Oursels wouldn't even get into the

2187
01:44:21,360 --> 01:44:25,040
Speaker 2: Pro Football Hall of Fame. He wouldn't. He wouldn't. No,

2188
01:44:25,080 --> 01:44:25,720
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say no.

2189
01:44:25,800 --> 01:44:28,840
Speaker 5: Colleges wouldn't get into. Oh no, coaches in the Hall

2190
01:44:28,840 --> 01:44:29,080
Speaker 5: of Fame.

2191
01:44:29,080 --> 01:44:31,840
Speaker 2: No, I'm not saying that. Oh I'm sorry. In my

2192
01:44:32,320 --> 01:44:36,600
Speaker 2: in my like, in my Hall of Fame, he would not,

2193
01:44:37,080 --> 01:44:40,599
Speaker 2: he doesn't. He wouldn't be in. Uh, Vince Lombardi will

2194
01:44:40,680 --> 01:44:47,559
Speaker 2: get in. Bill Walsh would get in. And then after that,

2195
01:44:47,760 --> 01:44:54,160
Speaker 2: it's tough. Donald will get in in mind. Joe Gibbs, Nope, okay,

2196
01:44:54,600 --> 01:44:56,240
Speaker 2: I can live with that. I can live with that.

2197
01:44:57,040 --> 01:44:59,920
Speaker 2: I see what you're doing. You gotta you gotta win four,

2198
01:45:00,080 --> 01:45:03,280
Speaker 2: you gotta, you got to. But that's okay. But Tom Land,

2199
01:45:03,439 --> 01:45:05,120
Speaker 2: you got to be up there. I don't know about

2200
01:45:05,120 --> 01:45:09,120
Speaker 2: Tom Nola.

2201
01:45:09,400 --> 01:45:11,840
Speaker 4: Guy like created like the four to three defense. I

2202
01:45:11,880 --> 01:45:13,960
Speaker 4: don't care.

2203
01:45:14,000 --> 01:45:16,639
Speaker 2: He changed it, like the entire landscape of the game.

2204
01:45:17,200 --> 01:45:20,120
Speaker 2: All right, And by the way, one a million games.

2205
01:45:20,240 --> 01:45:23,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, by the.

2206
01:45:23,280 --> 01:45:25,880
Speaker 2: Way, why is Vince Lombardi? And that's invented by the

2207
01:45:25,880 --> 01:45:26,879
Speaker 2: guy from Army.

2208
01:45:26,680 --> 01:45:29,360
Speaker 5: Four to three? I said four three, not three four?

2209
01:45:30,360 --> 01:45:33,480
Speaker 5: Three four was actually invented by Bud Wilkinson of Oklahoma.

2210
01:45:33,479 --> 01:45:35,760
Speaker 2: Bud Wilkinson. No, he's been it to three four right,

2211
01:45:35,840 --> 01:45:38,960
Speaker 2: three four? Yeah, right, you're right, Bud Wilkinson, you're right.

2212
01:45:39,160 --> 01:45:41,880
Speaker 2: We did a story on that for PFW. Thanks, thanks

2213
01:45:41,880 --> 01:45:42,320
Speaker 2: for reading.

2214
01:45:42,479 --> 01:45:46,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, so, why Vince Lombardi then.

2215
01:45:47,160 --> 01:45:50,280
Speaker 2: Because of the amount of wins that you know, because

2216
01:45:50,280 --> 01:45:53,920
Speaker 2: you got to see here championship championships.

2217
01:45:54,120 --> 01:45:56,640
Speaker 5: So the other guys that won championships don't matter, like

2218
01:45:56,760 --> 01:45:57,920
Speaker 5: Paul Brown doesn't care.

2219
01:45:58,200 --> 01:46:00,800
Speaker 2: Paul Brown probably would get it. We didn't get to him,

2220
01:46:01,320 --> 01:46:04,240
Speaker 2: I know, because you stopped. Your list was two. It

2221
01:46:04,360 --> 01:46:07,760
Speaker 2: was Bill walshon probably he should probably.

2222
01:46:07,840 --> 01:46:10,080
Speaker 4: I like this, to be honest, I'm more with you.

2223
01:46:10,160 --> 01:46:12,360
Speaker 2: I liked small. I'm a small hall. I have to

2224
01:46:12,360 --> 01:46:13,479
Speaker 2: be great, great great.

2225
01:46:13,720 --> 01:46:15,639
Speaker 5: I just think some of those guys that you're ignoring

2226
01:46:15,680 --> 01:46:18,120
Speaker 5: were great, great great. Tom Landry was great, great great.

2227
01:46:19,479 --> 01:46:22,920
Speaker 4: Okay, I think that some of the some of the

2228
01:46:22,960 --> 01:46:26,320
Speaker 4: players that have gotten in the last couple of years,

2229
01:46:26,479 --> 01:46:29,839
Speaker 4: I'm like, I don't know if he was really great,

2230
01:46:30,080 --> 01:46:31,160
Speaker 4: you know, like he was a good.

2231
01:46:31,439 --> 01:46:31,599
Speaker 2: God.

2232
01:46:32,160 --> 01:46:36,200
Speaker 5: There's good players getting in there. Brian Yeah, you know,

2233
01:46:36,360 --> 01:46:38,880
Speaker 5: Brian Dawkins. I loved Brian, really good player.

2234
01:46:39,320 --> 01:46:42,160
Speaker 2: You know. They you know, for the Canton Hall of Fame,

2235
01:46:42,880 --> 01:46:44,880
Speaker 2: it's become this event that they you know, they have

2236
01:46:44,960 --> 01:46:47,400
Speaker 2: to have at least four guys or this year. It's

2237
01:46:47,439 --> 01:46:53,320
Speaker 2: you know, it's so like I think in my world

2238
01:46:53,600 --> 01:46:55,760
Speaker 2: there's a potential that one year Tod be no one

2239
01:46:56,479 --> 01:46:58,320
Speaker 2: that gets into the Pro Football Hall.

2240
01:46:58,240 --> 01:47:02,760
Speaker 5: Of happening Baseball a couple of years ago, right, yeah, yeah,

2241
01:47:02,840 --> 01:47:06,200
Speaker 5: I mean, I I don't hate your theories. I just

2242
01:47:06,280 --> 01:47:08,400
Speaker 5: would sort of where you draw the line.

2243
01:47:08,800 --> 01:47:11,000
Speaker 2: It's to me, it's a gut thing. Like I hear

2244
01:47:11,040 --> 01:47:13,280
Speaker 2: the name, it's like Paul Brown, Hall of Fame. I

2245
01:47:13,360 --> 01:47:14,400
Speaker 2: just I don't have to think about it.

2246
01:47:14,439 --> 01:47:16,879
Speaker 5: I just can't believe you don't hear like Tom Landry,

2247
01:47:16,960 --> 01:47:19,040
Speaker 5: Chuck Nol, Don Shula and think the same.

2248
01:47:21,000 --> 01:47:23,120
Speaker 4: I mean, sure, I kind of agree with him Onnol,

2249
01:47:23,360 --> 01:47:24,720
Speaker 4: like I can see where he's coming from. I don't

2250
01:47:24,760 --> 01:47:25,160
Speaker 4: agree he.

2251
01:47:25,160 --> 01:47:28,280
Speaker 2: Had a longer. He coached a long time.

2252
01:47:28,479 --> 01:47:31,800
Speaker 4: But I don't think there's an argument against Chuck Nolan,

2253
01:47:31,880 --> 01:47:34,599
Speaker 4: Tom Landry, like Shula lost.

2254
01:47:34,400 --> 01:47:35,920
Speaker 2: One game over a two year span.

2255
01:47:36,200 --> 01:47:39,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, like that doesn't mean anything to.

2256
01:47:39,640 --> 01:47:42,280
Speaker 4: You, No, okay, I.

2257
01:47:42,320 --> 01:47:45,559
Speaker 2: Mean time, I appreciate it, I really do. I mean

2258
01:47:46,640 --> 01:47:50,360
Speaker 2: during manning in the cults, Tony Dungee then should probably

2259
01:47:50,360 --> 01:47:51,840
Speaker 2: get in because he had a lot of wins. He

2260
01:47:51,920 --> 01:47:54,360
Speaker 2: never did that. No, but like what did he lose

2261
01:47:54,400 --> 01:47:56,519
Speaker 2: three games in two years or something like that. I

2262
01:47:56,560 --> 01:47:59,679
Speaker 2: don't know. It's incredible, but no, he never did anything

2263
01:47:59,760 --> 01:48:01,920
Speaker 2: like on your one loss over I didn't say, I

2264
01:48:01,920 --> 01:48:04,280
Speaker 2: said it wasn't that, but it was pretty incredible, Like

2265
01:48:04,439 --> 01:48:07,200
Speaker 2: the amount of regular season wins that they racked up

2266
01:48:07,200 --> 01:48:07,599
Speaker 2: an Indy.

2267
01:48:08,000 --> 01:48:10,559
Speaker 4: There's no free agency back then there's a different sport.

2268
01:48:10,680 --> 01:48:13,840
Speaker 2: But whatever, but like made it harder. You know, ask

2269
01:48:13,880 --> 01:48:15,920
Speaker 2: me would just go and buy what you need. Just

2270
01:48:15,960 --> 01:48:17,920
Speaker 2: winning a lot of games doesn't do it for me.

2271
01:48:18,920 --> 01:48:21,599
Speaker 2: But he won titles. Friends, It's not just winning games,

2272
01:48:21,680 --> 01:48:23,400
Speaker 2: like what, it's the impact on the game.

2273
01:48:23,479 --> 01:48:25,920
Speaker 5: I just find it odd that you like Vince Lombardi

2274
01:48:26,000 --> 01:48:27,439
Speaker 5: is the guy that like stands up.

2275
01:48:27,880 --> 01:48:29,719
Speaker 2: I'm not a big I would.

2276
01:48:29,560 --> 01:48:33,000
Speaker 5: Make an argument against Vince lombardie because I kind of

2277
01:48:33,000 --> 01:48:34,400
Speaker 5: agree with Bill Belichick on Vince Lain.

2278
01:48:34,479 --> 01:48:34,679
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2279
01:48:34,680 --> 01:48:36,760
Speaker 5: No, I always kind of got the feeling that he

2280
01:48:36,800 --> 01:48:38,120
Speaker 5: thought he was kind of overrated.

2281
01:48:38,200 --> 01:48:39,639
Speaker 2: Yeah no, I I and I hear that.

2282
01:48:39,600 --> 01:48:43,400
Speaker 5: He's a great disciplinarian, a great structure, great program.

2283
01:48:43,520 --> 01:48:47,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't know. I think his contribution to

2284
01:48:47,120 --> 01:48:49,080
Speaker 2: the game, there's a lot of things that he taught

2285
01:48:49,080 --> 01:48:50,800
Speaker 2: that you know, got passed along and.

2286
01:48:50,840 --> 01:48:53,360
Speaker 4: Well that's why I would put in Tom Landry.

2287
01:48:53,520 --> 01:49:00,799
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, Paul Brown for sure, innovator winner, Yeah yeah.

2288
01:49:01,280 --> 01:49:03,320
Speaker 5: Tom Landry's from the Vince Lombardi tree, you know.

2289
01:49:03,680 --> 01:49:08,200
Speaker 4: He Yeah, I did. I have gone down the Bill

2290
01:49:08,280 --> 01:49:12,720
Speaker 4: Walsh rabbit hole recently and that coaching tree. If you

2291
01:49:12,760 --> 01:49:15,360
Speaker 4: really yeah, you have to be a little bit generous

2292
01:49:15,400 --> 01:49:19,599
Speaker 4: in some spots, but it's incredible the amount of just

2293
01:49:20,520 --> 01:49:24,519
Speaker 4: a coaching talent that is all branches off the West coast.

2294
01:49:24,520 --> 01:49:27,040
Speaker 5: And I love those when you go back and you

2295
01:49:27,080 --> 01:49:31,679
Speaker 5: see like nineteen eighty four, like you know, East Texas

2296
01:49:31,680 --> 01:49:34,760
Speaker 5: State coaching staff and there's like seven guys that are

2297
01:49:34,800 --> 01:49:37,719
Speaker 5: household names. Yeah, and you're like, wow, Yeah, these guys

2298
01:49:37,720 --> 01:49:40,200
Speaker 5: were all nobody nothings at this time and they were

2299
01:49:40,240 --> 01:49:41,840
Speaker 5: all together. It's like, you know what they try to

2300
01:49:41,840 --> 01:49:45,439
Speaker 5: do with Cleveland, the Cleveland ninety four thing.

2301
01:49:45,680 --> 01:49:48,040
Speaker 2: He only didn't like. It's more like, you know.

2302
01:49:48,400 --> 01:49:51,040
Speaker 4: The Washington It's more like Bill Belichick and Nick Saban,

2303
01:49:51,280 --> 01:49:56,000
Speaker 4: you know, the Washington Commanders, and then Redskins like Shanahan

2304
01:49:56,080 --> 01:50:00,960
Speaker 4: with you know McVeigh and Kyle Shanahan and Bobby Slowick.

2305
01:50:02,080 --> 01:50:04,479
Speaker 2: Chris wather t i An writes in Happy to see

2306
01:50:04,520 --> 01:50:08,240
Speaker 2: Parcels inducted, It's about time he, along with ownership, changed

2307
01:50:08,320 --> 01:50:11,120
Speaker 2: everything here well deserved. And Fred was the guy you

2308
01:50:11,160 --> 01:50:13,960
Speaker 2: mentioned in today's story, Mickey Corkoran. That was his high

2309
01:50:14,000 --> 01:50:18,840
Speaker 2: school coach. Yes, it was absolutely Mickey Corkoran. Yeah, name

2310
01:50:18,880 --> 01:50:25,600
Speaker 2: as the Red or something like that. Yeah, yep, Mick

2311
01:50:27,880 --> 01:50:30,640
Speaker 2: to Robin and the Cats skills has a bone to

2312
01:50:30,680 --> 01:50:33,800
Speaker 2: pick with Evan. I like these emails last week on

2313
01:50:33,880 --> 01:50:38,160
Speaker 2: PU Evan smugly deigned to include Bill Russell in his

2314
01:50:38,240 --> 01:50:41,360
Speaker 2: top five of all time NBA greats. He did so twice.

2315
01:50:41,720 --> 01:50:43,719
Speaker 2: I can only imagine, like the rest of his video

2316
01:50:43,760 --> 01:50:47,400
Speaker 2: game adult generation, what he thinks that he thinks Lebron

2317
01:50:47,479 --> 01:50:50,280
Speaker 2: belongs in the top five. Lebron is a great player,

2318
01:50:50,600 --> 01:50:53,679
Speaker 2: although he's allowed to travel and not get fouled. Hell,

2319
01:50:53,840 --> 01:50:58,400
Speaker 2: Caitlyn Clark takes harder fouls than him. His top tier

2320
01:50:58,439 --> 01:51:02,880
Speaker 2: is Jordan Russell, Jabbar Chamberlain, Magic Bird, Doctor j all

2321
01:51:02,880 --> 01:51:06,519
Speaker 2: the great players, but also transformative talents that change the game.

2322
01:51:06,640 --> 01:51:08,639
Speaker 2: So please Evan stick to football.

2323
01:51:09,000 --> 01:51:11,280
Speaker 4: Okay, First of all, haven't played a video game in

2324
01:51:11,320 --> 01:51:13,040
Speaker 4: like ten years, so I don't know what.

2325
01:51:13,479 --> 01:51:16,439
Speaker 2: The video What is the actual issue with Evan? I

2326
01:51:16,439 --> 01:51:18,120
Speaker 2: don't know. I wasn't I don't know.

2327
01:51:18,720 --> 01:51:20,680
Speaker 4: Say that Bill Russell, Yeah, I say he's a top

2328
01:51:20,720 --> 01:51:21,920
Speaker 4: five player of all time twice?

2329
01:51:22,080 --> 01:51:25,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, So what's wrong with it? It sounds like he agrees, Yeah.

2330
01:51:25,160 --> 01:51:28,200
Speaker 4: Right, I don't know. I don't know, And I would

2331
01:51:28,200 --> 01:51:30,639
Speaker 4: have Lebron as the second best Basketball Player of all time,

2332
01:51:31,320 --> 01:51:32,439
Speaker 4: second behind Jordan.

2333
01:51:32,560 --> 01:51:35,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jordan, Lebron's gonna get yelled up by Lebron.

2334
01:51:35,320 --> 01:51:39,519
Speaker 4: You know, Jordan Lebron, Magic, Larry Bird, Bill Russell.

2335
01:51:39,520 --> 01:51:41,240
Speaker 2: I might be able to find a spot for Lebron.

2336
01:51:41,920 --> 01:51:43,000
Speaker 2: I think Lebron.

2337
01:51:43,040 --> 01:51:44,400
Speaker 5: I argue with Will all the time. I go, I

2338
01:51:44,479 --> 01:51:45,960
Speaker 5: might payble to squeez him in my top ten.

2339
01:51:46,040 --> 01:51:50,800
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I meant listen, Jordan is the best.

2340
01:51:50,920 --> 01:51:53,280
Speaker 5: I still think Jordan was better, But I I you know,

2341
01:51:53,680 --> 01:51:56,160
Speaker 5: Lebron's longevity, you know everything about it.

2342
01:51:56,240 --> 01:51:57,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got to give him his due.

2343
01:51:57,479 --> 01:51:59,760
Speaker 4: I don't. I don't know, Like the longevity doesn't do

2344
01:51:59,800 --> 01:52:02,000
Speaker 4: it for me. I'm kind of with you on that. Fred, Like,

2345
01:52:02,040 --> 01:52:03,800
Speaker 4: just because he played for a long time, he's.

2346
01:52:03,720 --> 01:52:06,679
Speaker 5: Playing at a high level, but his.

2347
01:52:06,040 --> 01:52:09,559
Speaker 4: His peak, I mean it's I mean he went to

2348
01:52:09,640 --> 01:52:10,759
Speaker 4: eighth Street and.

2349
01:52:10,640 --> 01:52:14,160
Speaker 2: Anyone with multiple teams give him credit that.

2350
01:52:15,360 --> 01:52:17,160
Speaker 4: You know, we'll see about that. I kind of hold

2351
01:52:17,160 --> 01:52:20,120
Speaker 4: that against him a little bit. Why well, I really

2352
01:52:20,120 --> 01:52:23,599
Speaker 4: feel like he has one real title. So that's clel

2353
01:52:24,160 --> 01:52:25,719
Speaker 4: in Cleveland, Like.

2354
01:52:25,920 --> 01:52:28,120
Speaker 5: And even then they needed them to suspend a player

2355
01:52:28,160 --> 01:52:29,559
Speaker 5: for the other team to make sure it happened.

2356
01:52:29,880 --> 01:52:32,200
Speaker 4: But like, you know, the ones in Miami, like he

2357
01:52:32,439 --> 01:52:35,360
Speaker 4: was on Dwayne Wade's team. I'm with one this, Yeah,

2358
01:52:35,880 --> 01:52:38,160
Speaker 4: he's on and brought Chris Bosh. Can you imagine if

2359
01:52:38,200 --> 01:52:41,320
Speaker 4: like Larry and Magic did this? Do you imagine how

2360
01:52:41,360 --> 01:52:43,240
Speaker 4: many titles they would have won? It they just said, Hey,

2361
01:52:43,479 --> 01:52:46,280
Speaker 4: why don't we both become free agents? Right, we'll go

2362
01:52:46,320 --> 01:52:48,280
Speaker 4: to the same place and then we'll recruit our friends.

2363
01:52:48,320 --> 01:52:51,599
Speaker 4: I know, because that's basically what he did. Yeah. Let's

2364
01:52:51,600 --> 01:52:54,120
Speaker 4: also not forget that the Lakers titles in the bubble

2365
01:52:54,400 --> 01:52:58,360
Speaker 4: during the COVID year, fake phony title but still the

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01:52:58,360 --> 01:53:00,400
Speaker 4: second best player of all time. I'm just saying that

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Speaker 4: if you're going to put them up against George Yeah, Jordan,

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01:53:02,920 --> 01:53:04,360
Speaker 4: these are flaws.

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Speaker 5: But just imagine if Larry and Magic decided to play together. Yeah,

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01:53:10,160 --> 01:53:12,000
Speaker 5: how many titles they would have won? I mean they

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01:53:12,040 --> 01:53:14,800
Speaker 5: combined for what eight titles over a ten year span?

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Speaker 2: As it was? Yep. James Pettigrew the most Interesting Pages

2373
01:53:20,200 --> 01:53:22,759
Speaker 2: fan of the World says, what about this is about

2374
01:53:22,760 --> 01:53:26,840
Speaker 2: the overtime? What about both defenses and offenses are on

2375
01:53:26,880 --> 01:53:29,719
Speaker 2: the field. Offenses start at their own twenty yard line

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01:53:30,000 --> 01:53:32,200
Speaker 2: and then it's the first to score. You may need

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01:53:32,240 --> 01:53:34,600
Speaker 2: a few more officials. But Evan would love watching the

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Speaker 2: All forty four.

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Speaker 4: What I get it. Yeah, it's a joke.

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01:53:39,280 --> 01:53:43,400
Speaker 2: I think, Oh it's a joke. Okay, I was thinking

2381
01:53:43,479 --> 01:53:48,040
Speaker 2: he might. Okay, let's see, John is not a show.

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01:53:48,240 --> 01:53:51,400
Speaker 2: Come on, John is not happy about Parcels. Never wanted

2383
01:53:51,439 --> 01:53:53,720
Speaker 2: to see Parcels in the Hall of Fame over one

2384
01:53:53,760 --> 01:53:57,160
Speaker 2: of the people from the Dynasty. Parcels ruined that super

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01:53:57,200 --> 01:53:59,280
Speaker 2: Bowl for me, so I never wanted to see him going.

2386
01:53:59,360 --> 01:54:02,080
Speaker 2: Over all the people who made super Bowls great for me,

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01:54:02,600 --> 01:54:05,519
Speaker 2: the owner putting him in seems fair. I will never

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01:54:05,600 --> 01:54:07,719
Speaker 2: vote for him. Yes, I know he helped the team,

2389
01:54:08,160 --> 01:54:10,719
Speaker 2: but he couldn't wait to leave us. The whole calling

2390
01:54:10,840 --> 01:54:14,160
Speaker 2: Terry Glenn, she bothered me, and the way he handled

2391
01:54:14,240 --> 01:54:16,320
Speaker 2: leaving pretty much screwed up the two weeks of the

2392
01:54:16,360 --> 01:54:19,400
Speaker 2: Super Bowl in South Carolina, all I heard was about

2393
01:54:19,479 --> 01:54:23,559
Speaker 2: him leaving and how unhappy he was. Yeah, I mean,

2394
01:54:23,600 --> 01:54:25,240
Speaker 2: all that is fair. I don't believe that you were

2395
01:54:25,240 --> 01:54:27,920
Speaker 2: offended by the she common I don't believe that bothered you,

2396
01:54:28,160 --> 01:54:28,439
Speaker 2: he said.

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Speaker 5: But everything else I you know, I it absolutely was

2398
01:54:33,640 --> 01:54:36,240
Speaker 5: a bummer to be flying home from the super Bowl

2399
01:54:36,240 --> 01:54:37,880
Speaker 5: in ninety six knowing that he was leaving.

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01:54:38,080 --> 01:54:41,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a bummer, took away from from the enjoyment. Yep.

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01:54:42,520 --> 01:54:46,240
Speaker 2: Dave and Darry writes in I do think again over time,

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01:54:46,360 --> 01:54:48,600
Speaker 2: I do think this increases the odds of a tie,

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01:54:48,600 --> 01:54:51,040
Speaker 2: which I don't love. The only suit that, the only

2404
01:54:51,080 --> 01:54:53,440
Speaker 2: solution I can think of while giving each team a

2405
01:54:53,480 --> 01:54:56,480
Speaker 2: possession would be to add the two point attempt shootout

2406
01:54:56,520 --> 01:54:59,360
Speaker 2: thing that they do in college. I'm not surprised at

2407
01:54:59,360 --> 01:55:02,760
Speaker 2: all that Paul wants his first, regardless. I'm not surprised

2408
01:55:02,800 --> 01:55:06,560
Speaker 2: at all that Paul wants it first, regardless. He hates

2409
01:55:06,920 --> 01:55:07,840
Speaker 2: knowing what you need.

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01:55:08,960 --> 01:55:12,360
Speaker 4: Oh is this is because of the down down nine

2411
01:55:12,440 --> 01:55:15,520
Speaker 4: go for two things? Yeah?

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01:55:15,680 --> 01:55:19,360
Speaker 5: Well, oh yeah, if it was if it wasn't a

2413
01:55:19,400 --> 01:55:23,880
Speaker 5: ten minute limit, I would. I would, if it was

2414
01:55:23,960 --> 01:55:26,400
Speaker 5: like unlimited, if it wasn't like one period.

2415
01:55:28,400 --> 01:55:29,360
Speaker 2: Words are very hard.

2416
01:55:29,440 --> 01:55:32,440
Speaker 5: If it wasn't one period of play, I would. I

2417
01:55:32,480 --> 01:55:36,040
Speaker 5: would differ and I would want to know what I needed. Absolutely, Yeah.

2418
01:55:36,120 --> 01:55:39,880
Speaker 5: But I think the time crunch makes it different, and

2419
01:55:40,640 --> 01:55:44,520
Speaker 5: the fact that it doesn't end. Yeah, to me, I

2420
01:55:44,520 --> 01:55:46,720
Speaker 5: would just go down, score a touchdown, make the other

2421
01:55:46,720 --> 01:55:47,680
Speaker 5: team score a touchdown.

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01:55:48,520 --> 01:55:48,760
Speaker 2: Yep.

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01:55:49,600 --> 01:55:53,760
Speaker 5: But I don't understand why that matters to Rich McKay right.

2424
01:55:54,320 --> 01:55:57,840
Speaker 5: That was my larger point. I understand, like the whole

2425
01:55:57,880 --> 01:56:00,480
Speaker 5: Super Bowl thing with Kansas City and San Francis, I

2426
01:56:00,520 --> 01:56:01,880
Speaker 5: would have deferred.

2427
01:56:01,560 --> 01:56:04,640
Speaker 2: What as Rich mcaino, he turned down parcels, I mean,

2428
01:56:04,680 --> 01:56:05,360
Speaker 2: not Belichick.

2429
01:56:06,360 --> 01:56:09,560
Speaker 5: Yeah right, Yeah, that one really makes them look bad, now,

2430
01:56:09,560 --> 01:56:10,000
Speaker 5: doesn't it.

2431
01:56:09,880 --> 01:56:10,320
Speaker 2: It does.

2432
01:56:10,440 --> 01:56:17,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, he lost out on the forty third rate recruiting.

2433
01:56:16,760 --> 01:56:20,720
Speaker 4: Class to the two point thing in college though, they

2434
01:56:20,720 --> 01:56:24,120
Speaker 4: do that because it's not timed right, so like it

2435
01:56:24,160 --> 01:56:26,200
Speaker 4: can take like this is still going to have a

2436
01:56:26,240 --> 01:56:28,880
Speaker 4: time restraint on it. Where the college game, they're just

2437
01:56:28,880 --> 01:56:31,160
Speaker 4: trying to get the game over, so they put the

2438
01:56:31,200 --> 01:56:33,560
Speaker 4: two you have to go for two in there.

2439
01:56:33,640 --> 01:56:35,560
Speaker 2: So I would do different. I would do that too,

2440
01:56:36,240 --> 01:56:36,880
Speaker 2: you do both.

2441
01:56:37,080 --> 01:56:39,280
Speaker 5: No, I would not the shootout, but make them go

2442
01:56:39,400 --> 01:56:41,360
Speaker 5: for two after a touchdown.

2443
01:56:41,600 --> 01:56:43,600
Speaker 4: I just don't see what I guess. I mean, I

2444
01:56:43,680 --> 01:56:47,160
Speaker 4: just I gu it's a little harder to match. Yeah, yeah, I.

2445
01:56:47,040 --> 01:56:49,160
Speaker 5: Mean if both of them get it, then all right,

2446
01:56:49,160 --> 01:56:51,600
Speaker 5: we're gonna get stuck with a tie here. But I

2447
01:56:51,600 --> 01:56:53,840
Speaker 5: think it increases the chances of an outcome.

2448
01:56:53,960 --> 01:56:55,800
Speaker 2: Now, but they that was gimmicky and.

2449
01:56:56,040 --> 01:56:59,320
Speaker 4: You had the ball second, would you go for two

2450
01:56:59,680 --> 01:57:00,360
Speaker 4: to the win?

2451
01:57:01,200 --> 01:57:06,560
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, yeah. The Cody says, would you put John

2452
01:57:06,600 --> 01:57:10,160
Speaker 2: Madden in the Hall of Fame? Yes, I have to

2453
01:57:10,160 --> 01:57:10,760
Speaker 2: think about that.

2454
01:57:10,800 --> 01:57:13,200
Speaker 4: You would not, I know, because I'm not.

2455
01:57:13,360 --> 01:57:15,400
Speaker 2: Don't take that as a shot. You wouldn't because he

2456
01:57:15,400 --> 01:57:18,760
Speaker 2: didn't do it long enough. I would do it, and

2457
01:57:19,360 --> 01:57:20,760
Speaker 2: I didn't include the Madden game.

2458
01:57:21,160 --> 01:57:24,480
Speaker 4: See, I would do it for like broadcasting the video game.

2459
01:57:24,680 --> 01:57:28,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. But if you can, if you're allowed to, like say, oh,

2460
01:57:28,240 --> 01:57:30,840
Speaker 2: somebody can do it for two things, get in for

2461
01:57:31,040 --> 01:57:34,560
Speaker 2: doing two things. Then Raymond Berry, for example, Well he's in, right,

2462
01:57:35,120 --> 01:57:37,120
Speaker 2: I think he's a Hall of Fame player. Yeah, he's

2463
01:57:37,160 --> 01:57:39,440
Speaker 2: a Hall of Fame player. You think so? Yeah, I

2464
01:57:39,440 --> 01:57:41,320
Speaker 2: think he is too. So that's not a good example.

2465
01:57:41,840 --> 01:57:47,040
Speaker 2: But well, like you know, who would be another example

2466
01:57:47,040 --> 01:57:49,879
Speaker 2: of that, somebody who had a good career in coaching

2467
01:57:50,080 --> 01:57:53,280
Speaker 2: and in playing and both of those factors get him

2468
01:57:53,320 --> 01:57:55,840
Speaker 2: into the hall, because right now, that's not that's not

2469
01:57:55,920 --> 01:57:56,400
Speaker 2: what they do.

2470
01:57:56,520 --> 01:57:58,600
Speaker 4: It's one of the other, very better.

2471
01:57:58,440 --> 01:58:00,720
Speaker 2: Either a coach or a player. He's in the Yeah, yeah,

2472
01:58:01,320 --> 01:58:04,160
Speaker 2: so I don't think that would be fair to count

2473
01:58:04,200 --> 01:58:06,320
Speaker 2: Madden in. See, I wouldn't. I think he would be.

2474
01:58:06,360 --> 01:58:09,560
Speaker 2: He should be a Hall of Fame coach. But what

2475
01:58:09,640 --> 01:58:12,320
Speaker 2: do you have two titles with the Raiders one? Only one?

2476
01:58:12,360 --> 01:58:15,760
Speaker 5: But it was like, can I get your because his

2477
01:58:15,800 --> 01:58:17,800
Speaker 5: record is phenomenal. He had a good record, but it

2478
01:58:17,880 --> 01:58:20,680
Speaker 5: was short. Yeah, and to your point, you would, I

2479
01:58:20,680 --> 01:58:21,480
Speaker 5: know you wouldn't put him.

2480
01:58:21,480 --> 01:58:21,760
Speaker 2: I would.

2481
01:58:21,880 --> 01:58:23,280
Speaker 5: You didn't do it long enough, and I have to

2482
01:58:23,280 --> 01:58:25,800
Speaker 5: think about it. And then if you do it too long,

2483
01:58:26,000 --> 01:58:28,040
Speaker 5: you're just you wouldn't go in because you did it too.

2484
01:58:27,880 --> 01:58:31,839
Speaker 2: Long and you didn't get all the results postseason Don.

2485
01:58:31,680 --> 01:58:36,360
Speaker 5: Sula, Yeah, Madden did. Yeah, Madden has like the best

2486
01:58:36,440 --> 01:58:38,640
Speaker 5: postseason winning percentage of all time.

2487
01:58:38,680 --> 01:58:41,640
Speaker 2: I think he couldn't win a Super Bowl with Dan Marino.

2488
01:58:43,080 --> 01:58:45,640
Speaker 4: I do hold that against Don Sula. That's a valid point.

2489
01:58:46,520 --> 01:58:50,000
Speaker 5: Neither could anybody else. Jimmy Johnson any good.

2490
01:58:50,400 --> 01:58:52,360
Speaker 2: It was the end of his tent. He was getting

2491
01:58:52,360 --> 01:58:54,800
Speaker 2: old at that point. Okay, yeah, but I do.

2492
01:58:55,040 --> 01:58:57,520
Speaker 4: I think that's how many super bowls ad Bill of

2493
01:58:57,560 --> 01:58:57,800
Speaker 4: one with.

2494
01:59:00,320 --> 01:59:01,840
Speaker 2: Because he wouldn't let him throw the ball.

2495
01:59:01,960 --> 01:59:05,400
Speaker 5: I think John Shula is overrated, but I think he's

2496
01:59:05,440 --> 01:59:06,320
Speaker 5: a Hall of Fame coach.

2497
01:59:06,800 --> 01:59:07,240
Speaker 4: I agree.

2498
01:59:07,360 --> 01:59:09,160
Speaker 2: I don't know if that those two things make sense

2499
01:59:09,200 --> 01:59:10,160
Speaker 2: to me, kind of like.

2500
01:59:10,080 --> 01:59:12,880
Speaker 4: The Lebron Jordan conversation, where it's like if if we're

2501
01:59:12,880 --> 01:59:15,080
Speaker 4: comparing him to the other great coaches.

2502
01:59:14,760 --> 01:59:17,360
Speaker 5: We're talking about two of the very best players ever

2503
01:59:17,400 --> 01:59:19,760
Speaker 5: to play. So when you say something negative about one

2504
01:59:19,760 --> 01:59:21,880
Speaker 5: of them, it sounds like you think he stinks, right, yeah,

2505
01:59:21,920 --> 01:59:25,400
Speaker 5: but that's not like Lebron's. Lebron's an all time Oh.

2506
01:59:25,400 --> 01:59:29,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, come on, come on. But yeah, all right, that's

2507
01:59:29,680 --> 01:59:32,840
Speaker 2: gonna be it for this edition of Patriots Unfiltered. We'll

2508
01:59:32,840 --> 01:59:35,000
Speaker 2: be back Thursday. Paul and I might be a little

2509
01:59:35,040 --> 01:59:37,040
Speaker 2: late because we have the Hall of Fame Committee at

2510
01:59:37,040 --> 01:59:39,160
Speaker 2: ten o'clock. That might run a little over.

2511
01:59:39,320 --> 01:59:42,600
Speaker 5: I might have to help Fred not get his his

2512
01:59:42,680 --> 01:59:45,480
Speaker 5: butt kicked, because sometimes Fred gets in fights at those things.

2513
01:59:46,320 --> 01:59:48,080
Speaker 2: He's a done deal now, I don't have to stand

2514
01:59:48,160 --> 01:59:49,200
Speaker 2: up and talk about.

2515
01:59:49,000 --> 01:59:51,080
Speaker 5: I just want to make sure he's okay. So I

2516
01:59:51,120 --> 01:59:53,800
Speaker 5: don't like to leave him by himself. Yeah, all right,

2517
01:59:53,920 --> 01:59:56,560
Speaker 5: gets in a lot of a lot of boxing matches.

2518
01:59:56,640 --> 02:00:00,280
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