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Speaker 1: Nay, Hello, and welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia.

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Speaker 2: This is that Wednesday show where we recap our old

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Speaker 2: episodes with all new commentary of dates and insights.

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Speaker 1: So today we're recapping episode fifty eight, which we named

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Speaker 1: Some Quiet Sunday.

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Speaker 2: This episode came out on March second, twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 1: Let's get into it and listen to the intro.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to my Favorite murder.

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Speaker 1: Hi, welcome to my favorite murder.

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Speaker 2: Hello, Welcome to my favorite murder. Hello, Hello, Hello, I.

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Speaker 1: Don't learn how to start this thing someday.

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Speaker 2: What was wrong with that creepy, unnatural speaking voice. It

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Speaker 2: was too light. It was kind of like when someone

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Speaker 2: says they'll scratch your back, but then they just they

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Speaker 2: kind of just lightly drag their hand across her back.

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Speaker 1: What is worse than that, you know, it's worse than

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Speaker 1: that is when those blankets that when you're heels, I

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Speaker 1: got your heels a little dry and it rum like

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Speaker 1: rubs across those like wooly blankets or like gets caught

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Speaker 1: on a cuticle like you're.

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Speaker 2: A fucking goat, Like like you're so not uh, you're

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Speaker 2: so disgusting that like blankets are like.

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Speaker 1: Long it's been since you've fucking taken care of yourself.

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Speaker 2: Hey, miss Havisham, how why don't you fucking soak these feet?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: That you know, it's you know, it's worse. What uh

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Speaker 2: when a guy puts his head on your shoulder?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Well, oh, why are you serious?

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Speaker 2: Don't you?

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Speaker 3: Isn't that the grossest thing of all time?

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Speaker 1: I don't understand that one.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I just hate it. Wow, I really thought you were

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Speaker 2: gonna be with me on that one.

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Speaker 1: But I don't know. I don't get it.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: It's like to be cute or something where it's like,

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Speaker 2: can you not be precious? Like a guy doing that

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Speaker 2: is like, well, you because.

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Speaker 1: You also like a masculine dude who takes care of you.

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Speaker 1: And a guy who fucking puts his head on your

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Speaker 1: stupid shoulder.

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Speaker 2: Is like, I mean, it's just a little like they

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Speaker 2: might as well also kick their outside leg up when

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Speaker 2: they kiss you and like pull their skirt out a

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Speaker 2: little bit. What the hell?

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Speaker 1: I'm fine with that, But you know, it's even grosser

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Speaker 1: when you don't have a garbage disposal you have to

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Speaker 1: take the food out of the fucking the wet food

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Speaker 1: out of the drain of the sink.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what you're talking about.

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Speaker 2: That's how it feels to be abandoned. No, it just

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Speaker 2: made me like, wait, did you have to do that

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Speaker 2: by hand and then thrown in the garbage? Yes?

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Speaker 1: And it makes me sick to my stomach.

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Speaker 2: How old is the food days? Weeks?

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Speaker 1: No, it's just like you just died the dishes. Okay, man,

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Speaker 1: you don't food from your mouth.

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Speaker 2: You're not a soaker though, because I'll go ahead and

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Speaker 2: I'll soak some dishes for a good two weeks. Do

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Speaker 2: you ever do that where you're like, I'm cleaning them

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Speaker 2: by letting them sit in the sink with soapy water

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll put some I'll put some cold water in

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Speaker 1: a bowl of like yogurt and that's never gonna away,

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Speaker 1: or like cereal, and it's like it's still going to

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Speaker 1: get stuck to the bowl every time.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 1: Like like the thing that we would yell in my

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Speaker 1: knows we'd live in that house. I lived there for

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Speaker 1: sixteen years and the dishwasher, the dishwasher never worked a

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Speaker 1: single day that they lived there where in the not

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Speaker 1: the other apart in the house I grew up in.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, So you always had to do

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Speaker 2: everything by hand.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And so when people would almost willfully ignorantly leave a

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Speaker 2: well it was just going to then be cemented onto

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Speaker 1: And you'd get yelled at and have to do it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and then you'd have to take your fucking hand and

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Speaker 1: take all the wet food out.

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Speaker 3: Wait, you have a garb disposal now doing?

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Speaker 1: Now I do? Yeah, Like that's yeah, now I do.

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Speaker 2: Not You must run that thing all day long, love

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Speaker 2: it just for no reason, all day just creating kind

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Speaker 1: Let's go comforting.

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Speaker 2: You know what I hate, tell me is when you're

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Speaker 2: like straight up black mold in your shower or something

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Speaker 2: like where you the thing of Like, you don't notice

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Speaker 2: and then you're like, oh my god, yeah that's not

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Speaker 2: like grout, that's not black grouse.

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Speaker 3: The groud is white.

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Speaker 1: If someone else saw this who was a clean person, yes,

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Speaker 1: well right now in my shower, I hope you didn't

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Speaker 1: see that when you just peede, is that like there's

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Speaker 1: leg shavings everywhere? Because I just now, like, this is

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Speaker 1: the first time I've had a white shower, yeap, because

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Speaker 1: our last one was like gray and pink, like vintage

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Speaker 1: gray and pink for sure, and you can't see that shit.

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Speaker 3: I'm gray.

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Speaker 1: Oh but now it's all white.

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Speaker 2: Now you have to look at your own body leg

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Speaker 2: shavings offerings.

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Speaker 1: I wonder if Vince notices this too, I.

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Speaker 2: Mean, he must be into it. My sister when she

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Speaker 2: came down, because she is a super clean type a

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Speaker 2: bummed because the I have that the drain in my bathtub.

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Speaker 1: Where your hair gets caught in it.

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Speaker 2: It gets caught. There's no like secondary screen I being

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Speaker 2: it's always backing up. And my sister was so bummed

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Speaker 2: at the amount of water because it was like.

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Speaker 1: No, I got it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And now I was just standing, you're right, that

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Speaker 2: is gross, but I've never noticed it's just how it is.

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Speaker 1: Like standing water standing. I don't like that either, well

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Speaker 1: because then it is gross. It's gross. And then the

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Speaker 1: leg shavings are like getting attached to your ankles, that's right.

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Speaker 2: And also they stay when the rest of it drains

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Speaker 2: because it drains so slow. Oh yeah, then it creates

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Speaker 2: its own kind of like it looks like a map,

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Speaker 2: like a topological map of a river basin.

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Speaker 1: Look at yourself, look at you can I bring this

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Speaker 2: Sure?

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Speaker 1: However, it does make your feet nice and soft on

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Speaker 1: they're soaking in the water there, it sure does, and

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Speaker 1: then they won't rub on a blanket and.

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Speaker 2: Like shit, it's great, beast, great, greatways.

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Speaker 1: That's been my favorite murder. Imagine someone who's listening for

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Speaker 1: the first time, they're like.

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Speaker 2: What the They're just like, I saw this. I came

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Speaker 2: in here for decapitated head. This was on a murder list,

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Speaker 2: and it certainly is no murder.

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Speaker 1: This is my favorite murder.

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Speaker 3: Really quick.

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Speaker 2: One time, my dad said to me, he came down

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Speaker 2: to visit me, and then my like the thing broke

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Speaker 2: in my toilet hand to go in and fix the

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Speaker 2: stopper or whatever it is. And while we were standing

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Speaker 2: in there, he goes, hey, why don't you spend some

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Speaker 2: quiet sunday cleaning behind this toilet? And the level of

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Speaker 2: a total disgust that he said it with. I think

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Speaker 2: of it every time I'm in the bathroom, Barb.

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Speaker 1: That is an extra level of con of being condescending.

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Speaker 1: You can say, hey, you should clean the back of

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Speaker 1: your toilet.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, it always has to be like a one

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Speaker 2: a quiet spend some quiet sunday, wow, cleaning behind this toilet.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, Dad, because I'm busy going to therapy

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Speaker 1: to get over you, or maybe because I just party.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm because if I like love, I love to

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Speaker 2: be outside where the toilet isn't yeh, friends, I don't

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Speaker 2: like the toilet as much as you do.

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Speaker 3: To add, what am I saying that?

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Speaker 1: Because it's not as because you know it's important.

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Speaker 2: To me Dad, living my life, living my life, and

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Speaker 2: if that means having a filthy toilet, so be it.

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Speaker 1: So be it. You know his problem that isn't mine mine.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to My Favorite Murder. It's a murder podcast for

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Speaker 2: murder Murder of the Sionado Murder. People are so much murder.

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Speaker 2: Is it crime? God that we're all about it justice. Oh,

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Speaker 2: that's us totally America America.

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Speaker 1: Uh, that's Karen Kilgarreff.

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Speaker 3: That's Georgia hard start.

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Speaker 1: Hi.

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Speaker 3: We're here to host this show and sometimes we talk

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Speaker 3: about personal stuff.

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Speaker 1: We do totally. I don't know if you was not

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Speaker 1: even personal. That was just like every day. I met

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Speaker 1: a guide today who works in a morgue. He's gonna

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Speaker 1: work in a morgue and is going to morgue person school. Yes,

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Speaker 1: we went to lunch today and I got so excited.

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Speaker 1: I had this incredible therapy appointment that like made life sunnier.

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Speaker 1: Then I go to this to the restaurant that we're

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Speaker 1: going to meet it. It's Jone's on Third and it's

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Speaker 1: not like we go there every day. It doesn't great

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Speaker 1: Studio City.

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Speaker 2: Well, the guy is.

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Speaker 1: Ringing me up for my coffee, was like, how's your

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Speaker 1: day going? And I'm like good, thanks, how's yours? And

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Speaker 1: he's like great, I had a job interview. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: oh Jesus fucking guy's talking to me now. I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 1: you being pulled like oh what was it for? And

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Speaker 1: then he was like, oh, it's the La County Morgue

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Speaker 1: and I was like, what, what the fuck do you.

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Speaker 3: Think he knew?

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Speaker 2: No, Oh, I love that so much.

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Speaker 1: He just told like he didn't know how I would react,

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Speaker 1: and of course I grab him by the arm.

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Speaker 2: Did you really across the counter? Oh? My god? Tell

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Speaker 2: me everything.

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Speaker 1: And he was like, oh, you know, Blobby Blood, I'm

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Speaker 1: going to school to be a mortuary momortician something like that.

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Speaker 1: And exactly, I was like, that's amazing. You're in the right.

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Speaker 1: LA is going to be incredible, and he's like, I

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Speaker 1: know the murder well, I said, I said, this is

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Speaker 1: LA's going to be a great place to do that.

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Speaker 1: He said, I know.

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Speaker 2: The murder count just keeps going up.

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Speaker 1: That's right. She said that. And then I turn around

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Speaker 1: and this girl came up to me and was like, Hi,

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Speaker 1: I really like the podcast. This is weird. My grandfather

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Speaker 1: is a serial killer. No.

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Speaker 2: Literally moments later, okay, that's when I walked in. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 2: So I have the bad habit of my sunglasses are

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Speaker 1: I always forget that you can't see anything.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't see well, like I can't see past

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Speaker 1: It's all these fucking badass women who are hosting these

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Speaker 1: That's amazing that that shit, that is what fucking happens

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Speaker 2: Yes, So it's just the idea and that thing spread

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Speaker 1: That's what the girl said she did, is she fucking

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Speaker 2: So we just want we had a fun conversation with you.

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Speaker 1: Well, Marty fucking heart Stark is going to be at

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Speaker 2: Please New York help us and press Marty heart Stark.

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Speaker 2: He needs to understand that his daughter has done a

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Speaker 2: spatter on them, put them in a tupperware and brought

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00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:09,320
Speaker 2: them to the show.

445
00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:11,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we knew they weren't poisonous because a girl

446
00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:15,679
Speaker 1: in line behind us him had eaten them and she

447
00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:17,040
Speaker 1: was like they were great. And you're like, how do

448
00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:19,440
Speaker 1: you feel? You feel like? Okay, yeah, come fine, you're

449
00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:22,240
Speaker 1: like our tester. I love macaroons and I got ted

450
00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:26,520
Speaker 1: Bundy cookies. Oh my god, oh shit, wow, I just

451
00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:29,399
Speaker 1: said the word Jesus. Did you see that.

452
00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:33,159
Speaker 2: Elvis just came out of his little cat house. Okay,

453
00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:36,320
Speaker 2: because I said the word the cookie.

454
00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:39,280
Speaker 3: He's gonna have to get one early.

455
00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:40,480
Speaker 1: He is a monster.

456
00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:46,320
Speaker 2: He's We've made a monster. Sodhouse Bakery in Seattle are

457
00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:48,160
Speaker 2: the ones that made us? I tweeted those.

458
00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:50,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're on my favorite murder Instagram.

459
00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:53,000
Speaker 2: Unbelievable Ted Bundy, and I would just like to make

460
00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:56,439
Speaker 2: point out the fact that it turns into a thing

461
00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,600
Speaker 2: where it looks like, oh, we love Ted Bundy. In

462
00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,479
Speaker 2: no way. It's like, it's the story we're telling, and

463
00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:06,400
Speaker 2: it's I'm not saying to you, I'm just saying in general, Okay,

464
00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:08,840
Speaker 2: when on the podcast people are like, it sounds like

465
00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:09,320
Speaker 2: we're cheering.

466
00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:11,159
Speaker 3: It's not about held buddy.

467
00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:14,080
Speaker 1: It's the fascination of the story.

468
00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:17,320
Speaker 2: And yeah, and the crime and the the fact that

469
00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:18,560
Speaker 2: that exists.

470
00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:21,360
Speaker 3: And the icing and the fucking that was an amazing

471
00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:22,200
Speaker 3: cook It.

472
00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:23,440
Speaker 1: Was like a brown sugar cookie.

473
00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:27,520
Speaker 3: It was crazy beautiful art and the shape of.

474
00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,439
Speaker 1: Washing Washington, probably because we were in Seattle, it was

475
00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:33,600
Speaker 1: in shape of Washington.

476
00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:37,000
Speaker 2: We are the best people. We are at the book.

477
00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:39,880
Speaker 1: Can I talk about how I took a bite out

478
00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:42,000
Speaker 1: of it to take a photo and like, like it

479
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:45,800
Speaker 1: seem obvious that it was a cookie, And then I said, uh,

480
00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,240
Speaker 1: look I took a bite out of crime. And then

481
00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:50,679
Speaker 1: I fucking laughed my ass off of my own fucking

482
00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:51,440
Speaker 1: stupid joke.

483
00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,600
Speaker 2: God, it gets lonely in that dressing room. It's quiet.

484
00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:00,800
Speaker 2: We don't have groupies, and that it's the place where

485
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,720
Speaker 2: I put on a record, and it was some lame

486
00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,040
Speaker 2: eighties not lame, there were some good songs on it,

487
00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,720
Speaker 2: but there was an eighties compilation and a stick song

488
00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:10,720
Speaker 2: came on and it was dead silent. Me and Georgia

489
00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:14,480
Speaker 2: like looking down at our murders or whatever, like getting ready,

490
00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:16,080
Speaker 2: and then she goes, oh my.

491
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,680
Speaker 3: God, what is this. She's not even a good singer.

492
00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,840
Speaker 2: And I am still laughing about that, very enjoyable. I

493
00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:24,720
Speaker 2: didn't know six, You look like it's your turn to

494
00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:26,960
Speaker 2: go first, is it? I don't know you were. You

495
00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:28,360
Speaker 2: looked like you were ready, And I was like, oh,

496
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:29,440
Speaker 2: she knows well.

497
00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:31,639
Speaker 3: And I'm interpreting from that you would like me to

498
00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:31,879
Speaker 3: go for.

499
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,520
Speaker 2: I don't want to fuck it up. I bet Stephen

500
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:38,760
Speaker 2: knows well. We fucked it up going live. Oh Steven,

501
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:39,360
Speaker 2: do you know.

502
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:41,680
Speaker 1: No?

503
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,040
Speaker 2: Did you see him pick up his finger like he

504
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:46,160
Speaker 2: was trying to shush us?

505
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:49,359
Speaker 1: He was no, I think it was remember and I

506
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,760
Speaker 1: and you brought the microphone up so perfectly like I'm

507
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:54,080
Speaker 1: about to tell you well.

508
00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,480
Speaker 2: Also, it was like, does it count from the Oakland

509
00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:58,639
Speaker 2: episode or do you count the other live episodes in

510
00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,439
Speaker 2: terms of who goes, Oh, then it's me because I

511
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 2: think Oakland, Oakland, so it is me.

512
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:10,159
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, whatever, Okay, we're back, and we have

513
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 1: the reason why we name the episode Some Quiet Sunday,

514
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,560
Speaker 1: and it's just classic home Jim.

515
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 2: I have to say, he's vicious. He's a vicious, vicious man.

516
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:23,439
Speaker 1: In many ways, it's a cutting remark, why don't you

517
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,760
Speaker 1: spend some quiet Sunday cleaning behind your toilet?

518
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 2: I mean, look, we were all in the bathroom together

519
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,719
Speaker 2: and it was filthy, it was gross, And he's basically

520
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:36,359
Speaker 2: just saying, have some goddamn self that.

521
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the way he's saying it is like you

522
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 1: have the time and you still live like this. It's

523
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 1: not like you are the busiest person.

524
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:44,159
Speaker 2: You know.

525
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:48,560
Speaker 1: It's like it's an accusation while it's a suggestions.

526
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like it's patriarchy in action. I'm fucking sick

527
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 2: of it.

528
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, I'll use your toothbrush, dad, how about that.

529
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 2: It's also the kind of thing where like I was

530
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,199
Speaker 2: raised with a level that level of sarcasm. You know,

531
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,359
Speaker 2: people love to say like I'm fluent in sarcasm in

532
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,399
Speaker 2: their bios or whatever, and it's like I was raised

533
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 2: with such a vicious level of sarcasm where it's like

534
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 2: he would have said something like that when I was

535
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 2: seven years old. That's just the interaction level of home

536
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 2: gym and his family kindness. Yeah, and also kind of like, hey,

537
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 2: the bathroom isn't the cleanest, but behind this toilet is

538
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 2: a nightmare.

539
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:26,880
Speaker 1: Right, how about you say their life together, seven year

540
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 1: old Karen and fucking do something about it.

541
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 2: And it's interesting because it is seven year old Karen

542
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 2: that is holding back fifty five year old cat. And

543
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 2: it's true so ironic that way.

544
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:38,360
Speaker 1: They're the same person.

545
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:43,159
Speaker 2: It's so annoying that thinking takes over because.

546
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:44,680
Speaker 1: It's who you are still are, right, Let's get it,

547
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 1: I know deep down.

548
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:49,680
Speaker 2: Oh, we talked a little bit about the windshield wiper trick,

549
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,640
Speaker 2: which is basically when this like the human trafficking panic

550
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 2: began online on social media. I just think that's kind

551
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,880
Speaker 2: of an interesting thing to look back on where it's like, yeah,

552
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 2: remember that, where it's like if you have this on

553
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 2: your windshield wiper. But then it's like there's tons of

554
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 2: other examples that over the years we've all seen and

555
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 2: reacted to, and then it's like after a while, it's

556
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 2: like it's a bigger problem if only they gave.

557
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,880
Speaker 1: You that same. Well also, but notes or flowers, I've

558
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 1: heard too. You write notes and flowers in your windshield.

559
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 1: Get you to stop, get out of especially flowers, get

560
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 1: out of your car, you know, stand in a vulnerable place.

561
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 1: It just it does make sense to not do.

562
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 2: That, right, So I mean, don't do it anyway. Don't

563
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:34,919
Speaker 2: accept flowers, even if someone's just handing them to you.

564
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 2: Kindly slap them out of their hand.

565
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 1: If they want you to listen to their their DJ mixtape,

566
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:41,159
Speaker 1: don't do it.

567
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 3: No no, no, no, no, no no no.

568
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 1: Don't buy or borrow their DJ mixtape.

569
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is abuse.

570
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,439
Speaker 1: All right, let's get straight into it, shall we.

571
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 2: Sure you're first?

572
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,920
Speaker 1: Let's listen to Karen's story about the ericson Twins.

573
00:25:54,200 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 2: Oh yes, yeah, well this is now. I'm afraid because

574
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:11,120
Speaker 2: I'm ninety nine percent positive you haven't done this murder.

575
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 2: But truly, as I was printing it up and leaving

576
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 2: my house, I was like, this, it's so familiar, and

577
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,119
Speaker 2: I know that I've done research on it before, thinking

578
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 2: I would do it before.

579
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 1: Well, I've had to think about looking up murders before

580
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 1: being like, have I done it before? Not just you? Okay,

581
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,920
Speaker 1: So I think we're so you won't be mad if

582
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 1: this is a repeat, only if you do it better

583
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 1: than I did.

584
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,160
Speaker 2: Well, I'm pretty sure you didn't. But I know we've

585
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 2: talked about it.

586
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm excited.

587
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 2: And the reason that I wanted to do it is

588
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 2: because I mentioned it the last the last just the

589
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 2: biggest way sorry, like in your face.

590
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 3: No problem.

591
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:54,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, the last uh. I think the last studio recording

592
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 2: that we did when I talked about the Pepha Sisters,

593
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 2: the French Maid's killed apartment, this podcasting studio. So it's

594
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 2: another case of fallia do which is the shared psychosis,

595
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 2: and it's the story of Ursula and Sabina Ericksson.

596
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 1: Have not done it. We talked about it, Yes, fucking

597
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 1: and excited about this.

598
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 2: Okay, good, all right, but a huge goddamn relief because

599
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 2: I was truly like I was like, I'm printing it.

600
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 2: I don't this is what I've done, Like I can't

601
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 2: go back from here.

602
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 1: That's like my trigger. And then I'm like this is over.

603
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: I can't believe you don't remember I was.

604
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 2: I cried that episode.

605
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, it meant a lot to me too anyway.

606
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 2: All right, Okay, so.

607
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 3: In that sorry if you didn't hear.

608
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 2: That episode, so uh a follia do is is uh

609
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,679
Speaker 2: In French, it translates as the madness of two and

610
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 2: it's a form of shared psychosis between two people who

611
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:03,159
Speaker 2: are extremely close. The papast sisters were an older and

612
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 2: younger sister. It is rumored that they were having a

613
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:12,199
Speaker 2: sexual relationship, but they did work for a rumor to

614
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 2: be very strict mistress who they killed so violently that

615
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 2: it beats most of the crimes we talk about modern day.

616
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 1: It really it doesn't. It doesn't fit with what you know,

617
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: what I mean, I'm not matching the punishment and all that.

618
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:35,160
Speaker 2: Yes, it's such extreme overkill that it's not so bizarre totally.

619
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 3: So this is a little bit different.

620
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 2: But this, I feel like, is the much more famous

621
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 2: version of this shared psychosis, and it is Ursula and

622
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 2: Sabina Ericsson. So in May of two thousand and eight,

623
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 2: two Swedish sisters who live in Ireland who are in

624
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 2: their late thirties named Ursula and Sabina Ericson twin sisters

625
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 2: that should be in there. They are twin sisters and

626
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 2: they live in County Cork and they've traveled to their

627
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 2: their try they're traveling to London, but they've taken they're

628
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 2: in Liverpool when this all goes down taking the bus

629
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 2: into London, or they're right outside Liverpool, I guess. So

630
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 2: when they first arrive in Liverpool or wherever they are

631
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 2: nearby it, the first thing they do is they walk

632
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 2: into the Saint Anne's Street police station and quote unquote

633
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 2: report concerns about Sabine's children. So from the get go

634
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 2: of their like trip to London, there's shit going on.

635
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 2: They immediately go and start talking to the police. Nothing

636
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 2: comes of it. They then they get on this bus,

637
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 2: the National Express coach into London. After a little while

638
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 2: on the bus, they tell the driver they don't feel well.

639
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 2: He pulls over to the roadside services and they get

640
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 2: off the bus. When they try to get back on

641
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 2: the bus, they are clutching these bags that they have

642
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 2: with them in a way that makes the driver suspicious.

643
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 2: So he says, we need to look in your bags

644
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 2: before you get back on the bus, and they're like,

645
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 2: no fucking way, And they're so weird about not letting

646
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 2: anybody look into their bags that the bus driver kicks

647
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 2: them off the bus and heaves them.

648
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: There fucking hero. Oh wait, that's kind of shitty. Don't

649
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: leave women on the side of the road.

650
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 2: Well, but but I mean, like, so the second I

651
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 2: hear this, I'm like, what is in those bags?

652
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 1: Totally?

653
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 2: I need to know what's in those bags immediately. Oh yes,

654
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 2: I'm imagining lots right. So uh So the gas station

655
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 2: manager where they have stopped at these what they call

656
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 2: services in England, is informed by this bus driver these

657
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 2: two are acting weird and shady and so I'm not

658
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 2: letting him back on the bus. So that gas station

659
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 2: manager calls the police. They come and talk to Ursula

660
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 2: and Sabine, decide they're harmless and leave. So now Ursula

661
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 2: and Sabine are stranded by the M six, which is

662
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 2: a freeway in England and not the TV show M

663
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 2: I six, which I thought I was thinking of the

664
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 2: whole time I first started researching this. Have you ever

665
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 2: watched I sixpe with Matthew McFadden, who is mister Darcy

666
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 2: Richard arm anyway, good stuff, good stuff, good British procedural,

667
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 2: good talk. But there's an M six and then there's

668
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 2: an m I six. They're not the same thing, Karen, Okay.

669
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 2: So they're stranded and the next thing that they know

670
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 2: is that there's CCTV footage of them walking down the

671
00:31:56,320 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 2: central part of the freeway like that. So they have

672
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 2: run across the center median. Yes, they've run across the freeway,

673
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 2: so you can see. Here's the insane part of all this.

674
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 2: There is video footage of this entire incident.

675
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: I don't like, I've seen it, and it's like whenever

676
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 1: there's CCTV footage, I'm like, don't want to watch this.

677
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: Something awful is going to happen.

678
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 2: Yes, that's bad too. But there was also basically a

679
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 2: British version of Cops which was called Motorway Yes, Motorway Cops,

680
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 2: which was a reality show that they were filming when

681
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 2: this happened. So the entire thing is caught on an

682
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 2: eng yes, like a TV show. That's why there's so much,

683
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 2: Like you can see all of it. It's super crazy. Yeah,

684
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 2: because did they sign waivers?

685
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 1: Totally?

686
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 2: There must be because they broke the law, they must

687
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 2: have to or something. So basically here's what or maybe

688
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 2: they have different rules ray of production, all right, here's

689
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 2: what happened. They're they're in the Central Median and they

690
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 2: they run to.

691
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 3: Cross it again.

692
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 2: Ursula gets across, but Sabina gets hit by a car.

693
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 2: So they call the Highway Agency traffic officers, which I

694
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 2: imagine is like the highway Patrol, but I don't know,

695
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 2: and I didn't look it up.

696
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 3: I wrote this horrible thing.

697
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 2: Uh so when Highway Agency traffic officers, what I can

698
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,959
Speaker 2: only imagine are the British Highway Patrol. So British chips,

699
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 2: which in America are crisps but England are French fries.

700
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 2: That's I love where you went with that.

701
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: That was so expected. So like Fish and Chips, What

702
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: if like fish and what if there was like a

703
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 1: cop show that the cops were British and there's a

704
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 1: guy named like Andy Fish. So it's like fish and Chips,

705
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: Can someone please make a fucking We'll be the chips.

706
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 2: So Carrie Fish is a British detective that's come to

707
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 2: Los Angeles and then.

708
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: He needs the help of two girl podcasters Chips.

709
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 2: Where the chips though, because we're British cops, we are

710
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 2: well because we have oh no, no, we're chips. We're highway chips. Yeah,

711
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 2: we're highway patrol right, all right, what fish could be?

712
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: The band fish fish?

713
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,760
Speaker 2: The band fish fish and chips.

714
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: Leads cops like they're undercover narks, yes, and they go

715
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: to their shows.

716
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:43,320
Speaker 2: They nark on people at their own decks. They're pop cops. Yeah, guys,

717
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 2: here's the thing.

718
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

719
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 2: So basically, the British Highway Patrol shows up with this

720
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 2: British reality show called Motorway Cops. Fuck you, they're already

721
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 2: recording it.

722
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:55,320
Speaker 1: That's so shitty.

723
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 2: No, no, no, they didn't know what the scenario was. They

724
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 2: showed up on the scene like, well, this is a

725
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 2: day in the life of these cops. Oh okay, yeah,

726
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 2: it's like that, okay, sou so as they So the

727
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,320
Speaker 2: two twin women are standing on the side of the

728
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 2: road talking to these cops, and the guys that are

729
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 2: that were there first on the scene first are explaining

730
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 2: to the British police who showed up with the camera crew.

731
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 2: They're like, okay, so here's what happened. I guess they

732
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 2: ran across the freeway. We don't really know what they're doing.

733
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 2: One of them got hit, but she's okay and blah.

734
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 2: Blah blah, and they're explaining everything, and the two women

735
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 2: are standing there while the cops are talking to each other,

736
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 2: and then as the camera's rolling, Ursula bolts out into

737
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 2: the freeway and immediately gets hit by a truck and

738
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 2: it is on The truck is going fifty six miles

739
00:35:56,040 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 2: an hour. It's on camera, you can it doesn't there's

740
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 2: somebody that's kind of blocking it, so you don't see

741
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 2: like the real awful part.

742
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: But and to make it clear, she's not running trying

743
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: to cross. She's running to get hit by her car.

744
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 2: Well, there's no it's just like that fucked up part

745
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 2: and Bowfinger where Eddie Murphy has to run across the

746
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 2: freeway for the like special effect.

747
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 3: Do you remember that?

748
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:22,720
Speaker 2: Mm hmm you don't.

749
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 3: Well here's the thing.

750
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 2: It's not like Frogger words like one coming every couple

751
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 2: of seconds. It's like running into onto the five right now,

752
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 2: Like there's there's no pause in the traffic, right So

753
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 2: she ran out onto a busy freeway intentionally, fuck and

754
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 2: she does it and everybody's like, it's really upsetting because

755
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 2: it's all the cops going like whoah, my god or whatever.

756
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 2: And they're immediately onto their things, calling for an ambulance,

757
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 2: doing this, and while they're doing that, and one of

758
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 2: them runs out to stop traffic whatever. While they do that,

759
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 2: then Sabe runs out into the freeway. Fuck dude, because

760
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 2: there So it's the craziest thing to see because nobody,

761
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 2: of course, once the one goes, they're nobody goes, oh,

762
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 2: make sure the other one doesn't go.

763
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 3: They all go fully shit, call coll an ambulance.

764
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: You would never Yeah, who would do that.

765
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 2: So Ursula's legs, so with Sabine runs out in the

766
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:24,320
Speaker 2: freeway and immediately gets hit by a Volkswagen Polo.

767
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 1: We don't keep driving those fucking cars. Yes, you've ruined

768
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,959
Speaker 1: their live. I mean, I'm the lorry driver. The truck

769
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 1: driver that hit Ursula is on this. You can see

770
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: the video footage, and it's the saddest thing because he

771
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 1: just keeps going.

772
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 3: She just thrown out in front of us.

773
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,879
Speaker 2: That's not the accent, but it's something like that where

774
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 2: he says us instead of me. It's rough and he's

775
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 2: just like kind of staring off, like in total shock.

776
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 2: But here's the thing. So Ursula's legs, she has compound

777
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 2: fractures in her legs.

778
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:57,320
Speaker 1: The cop.

779
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 3: I saw a special on it.

780
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 2: It's called like madnesson Motorway or something like that was

781
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 2: really good.

782
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:04,399
Speaker 1: But it's not as good as Fish and Ship.

783
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 3: It is no fish and chips. I'll never never.

784
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 2: She is down and this is so upsetting because her

785
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 2: she's bones are sticking.

786
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 3: Out of her legs.

787
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 2: No no, no, no, yeah no, yeah, you're not gonna

788
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 2: get hit by a truck and the freeway and have

789
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 2: it not be really gross and upsetting. But meanwhile she's

790
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 2: down right, so the bottom half of her body is

791
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:33,359
Speaker 2: not moving and it's fucked up badly, but the top

792
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 2: half of her they go and they put one of

793
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 2: those tinfoil marathon blankets on her, and they're like trying

794
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 2: to talk to her. Is basically like the ambulance is

795
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 2: going to be here, You're okay, And she starts going,

796
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 2: I know who you are. I know who you are,

797
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 2: and they're like, just take it easy, it's okay. She says,

798
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 2: I recognize you. I know you're not real. Oh my gosh,

799
00:38:56,600 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 2: and the police are just saying it's okay. Stayed out.

800
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 2: She tries. She's trying to get up, so it looks

801
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,879
Speaker 2: like a really hideous part of like walking dead where

802
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 2: like the zombie's been like attacked from the back, but

803
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 2: they're still dragging themselves. Like she's trying to push herself

804
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 2: up but her legs aren't going to move, and she's

805
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 2: trying to like fight him. She's spitting at him.

806
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 1: That's scary.

807
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:26,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's freaking out. So her sister is, So that's Ursula.

808
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 2: Sabina is also on the ground and she looks like

809
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,439
Speaker 2: she's out out and there it's there's a female cop

810
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 2: next to her, and I think the second person is

811
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 2: a woman who was maybe a passer by in a car.

812
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 2: I'm not sure, but they're both sitting there and they're

813
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 2: like she's got one of those tinfoil blankets on her

814
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 2: and she and and Sabina is just eyes closed out

815
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 2: and then she comes to and she like almost like

816
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 2: immediately gets up and they're like no, no, no, don't move,

817
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 2: don't move, and she's clearly like dazed, but she starts

818
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 2: saying they're gonna steal your organs.

819
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 3: She's yelling that over to.

820
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 2: Ursula, They're going to steal your organs and she and

821
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 2: then she they're like no, no, no, stay down, and

822
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 2: they're trying to hold her down, and she starts yelling,

823
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 2: help call the police, and they're like, we are the police.

824
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,919
Speaker 2: It's okay, and they're and so then they're thinking they're

825
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:20,800
Speaker 2: on drugs. But they must be on some kind of

826
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 2: drug because now Sabine is up on her feet and

827
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:29,240
Speaker 2: she's trying to like she's like like trying to get away,

828
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,240
Speaker 2: and they're like, you need to calm down, it's okay.

829
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:37,959
Speaker 2: She fucking jumps the rail and runs into the other

830
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 2: on the other side of the freeway. Swear to god,

831
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 2: they thank god, that wasn't as busy on that side,

832
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 2: and I think they may have stopped traffic, like traffic

833
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 2: was totally stopped on this side.

834
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,760
Speaker 1: Where Ursula was going, slowing down and ship.

835
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 2: Probably and like maybe less traffic. I'm not sure, but anyway,

836
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 2: she runs across. This cop has to run after her,

837
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:00,240
Speaker 2: and he's like, stop, what do you doing.

838
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:01,359
Speaker 3: Don't you know you're hurt?

839
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 2: You're hurt, And she's like and she basically turns turns

840
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 2: on him like she's gonna fist fight him. Oh my god,

841
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 2: and she's like and she's screaming, help call the police,

842
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,240
Speaker 2: and they're like, we are the police, Like it's crazy.

843
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 2: So they so basically it eventually takes six policemen to

844
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 2: subdue Sabine. Oh my god, six policemen to finally get

845
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 2: her down and sedate like they shoot her up. They

846
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 2: meanwhile airlift Ursula out to the hospital. She was spitting

847
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 2: at them the whole like they were fighting the entire time,

848
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 2: and the cops that subdued Sabine said that she had

849
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:40,839
Speaker 2: superhuman strength, that both of them did.

850
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 3: So they're thinking.

851
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 2: They're on probably on PCP or something like you know

852
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 2: the drugs associated with that we're taught as a kid,

853
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,240
Speaker 2: or like yeah, you could like lift a car totally,

854
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:57,280
Speaker 2: do whatever you want totally, which I just the idea

855
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 2: of whatever world that they were in where they thought

856
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 2: what was what was happening because they still don't know

857
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 2: to this day the logic behind and there's no explanation.

858
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 1: Wait, I hope I was hoping you'd get to the explanation.

859
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,359
Speaker 2: Well, I'm just going to spoiler alert for you right now.

860
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 2: They have never explained it in court. When she finally

861
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 2: went to court, all she would say is no comment.

862
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 2: They have never explained to any of it, and there

863
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 2: was no drugs in their system, So okay, she gets

864
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 2: they Finally they finally the six people get her down

865
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 2: sedate her. She goes to the hospital and then goes

866
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 2: directly into police custody in a place called Stoke on

867
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:43,439
Speaker 2: Trent uh So on May nineteenth, two thousand and eight,

868
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 2: she is released from court. Sabina is released from court

869
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 2: without a full psychiatric evaluation, having pleaded guilty to trespass

870
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 2: on the motor roy and hitting a police officer, which

871
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 2: she decked that female police officer. She punched her right

872
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:02,720
Speaker 2: in the face to get away from her. That's before

873
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 2: she ran across for the third fucking time. So the

874
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 2: court sentenced her to one day in custody, which she

875
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 2: had already served. So she leaves and she begins to

876
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 2: wander the streets of Stilly Cat trying to find her

877
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 2: sister in the hospital and carrying her possessions in a

878
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 2: clear pat plastic bag. So she's just kind of now

879
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 2: out on the street.

880
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: Let her go.

881
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, So she's that night. Two local guys who are

882
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 2: walking a dog see her and there she comes up

883
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 2: and is very friendly. She's petting the dog. They're all talking.

884
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 2: One of the men is a fifty four year old

885
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 2: man named Glenn Hollingshead, who is a self employed welder.

886
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 2: He was had been a paramedic and he was a

887
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 2: former RAF worker. The other man was his friend Peter Malloy,

888
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 2: And so they all start talking and even though she's friendly,

889
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 2: Sabina's acting super weird. So she does stuff like offers.

890
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 2: She's asking them if they know any the directions for

891
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 2: any good bed and breakfasts or any place to stay.

892
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 2: She offers them cigarettes and then takes them back while

893
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 2: they're smoking them, like she's so he so this guy,

894
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,760
Speaker 2: Glenn hollings Head can tell there's something wrong with her.

895
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 2: This is the part I This is the part that

896
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 2: I'm like.

897
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:28,760
Speaker 1: Did we do this one? Did we Stephen?

898
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:30,439
Speaker 3: Well, this is the murder part.

899
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we must have talked about this.

900
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 3: I'm sure we've talked about it, but I don't know.

901
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 1: I don't think we have.

902
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,919
Speaker 2: I'd be a bummer. Well, who, you're doing a great job.

903
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 3: Well thanks, thank you appreciate it.

904
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 2: So she they go back to his house because he

905
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 2: he's like, something's wrong with this lady and she's just

906
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 2: wandering out on the street. So they go back to

907
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 2: his house and she's basically.

908
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 3: Saying, I need to find my sister.

909
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 2: She's in the hospital, so they start I think they

910
00:44:56,640 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 2: said she she They hang out that night. She was

911
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 2: carrying multiple mobile phones and a laptop. She was constantly

912
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 2: looking out the window. She was super paranoid, and Molloy

913
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,839
Speaker 2: assumed the friend assumes that she's run away from an

914
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 2: abusive partner the way she's acting, So they're like, you

915
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 2: can stay.

916
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: Here, and she's my all bandaged up and shit.

917
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:21,720
Speaker 3: Right after being released.

918
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 2: I don't but I don't think when she was up

919
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 2: and like basically trying to duke it out with this cop,

920
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 2: she looked fine. Having been hit by a car two times,

921
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 2: she seemed fine and didn't break any bones, apparently because

922
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 2: she wasn't like held at the hospital. So okay. So anyway,

923
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 2: when the friend leaves, he leaves at shortly before midnight,

924
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 2: and Sabina stays at the house. So the next morning,

925
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 2: Holling's head is calling local hospitals to find Ursula to

926
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 2: see where she is, and at let's see, this would

927
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 2: be seven forty in the morning. He goes outside to

928
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 2: ask his neighbor for tea bags and the neighbor says,

929
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 2: let me finish up what I'm doing and I'll come

930
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 2: and bring him over. And so so Glenn walks back

931
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,800
Speaker 2: into the house. Oh, because he's watching his the neighbor's

932
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 2: washing his car. So he's like, oh, when I finish,

933
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:21,800
Speaker 2: I'll bring him over. And then a minute after going inside,

934
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:26,240
Speaker 2: he staggers back outside the house and saying to the neighbor,

935
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 2: she stabbed me and then collapses on the ground. And

936
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 2: when he'd gone back into the house, Sabina stabbed him

937
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 2: five times with a kitchen knife and he died from

938
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 2: his injuries there, and she ran and the neighbor calls

939
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 2: nine nine nine, which is nine one in England. Not

940
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 2: that I had to tell you that.

941
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 3: Does this seem familiar?

942
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 1: No, I don't think we've done this one, okay, because.

943
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 3: It seems familiar to me.

944
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 2: But I know I've watched a full movie about this

945
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 2: on YouTube.

946
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 3: You can and we all can if you want to.

947
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: After this.

948
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 2: So essentially, uh, she goes out of this house with

949
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 2: a hammer in her hand and is hitting herself in

950
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 2: the head with the hammer. Uh huh So every once

951
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 2: in a while, periodically, it says from Wikipedia, uh So,

952
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 2: a passing motorist sees this, gets out of the car

953
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 2: and tries to grab the hammer away from her, and

954
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 2: while they're wrestling, Sabina pulls a roof tile out of

955
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 2: her the fuck out of her pocket. What the fuck

956
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 2: you know, when you're wandering around town like this looks

957
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 2: and you just put some stuff in your pocket. She

958
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 2: pulls it out and hits him in the head with it.

959
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 2: He's momentarily stonned, and she runs away.

960
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

961
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 2: But at this point the paramedics from the nine to

962
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 2: nine to nine call have shown up and they see

963
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:56,799
Speaker 2: her and they chase her, and they end up pursuing

964
00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 2: her to heron cross where she jumps off a forty

965
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 2: foot bridge onto the A fifty, which is another.

966
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:07,919
Speaker 1: Freeway or highway I can't stay away from.

967
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:11,959
Speaker 2: I mean, they love it. They love freeways and highways.

968
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 2: So that in that fall, she does break bones, so

969
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 2: she is not superhuman, and she's taken to the hospital,

970
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 2: and then when she's recovering there, she is put under

971
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 2: arrest and she's later discharged and then charged with murder,

972
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 2: and so so she goes to trial. They hold her

973
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 2: and this is the part that drives me crazy. They

974
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 2: she was supposed to go. She's charged with murder on September,

975
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 2: in September of two thousand and eight, the day she's

976
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 2: discharged from the hospital. But and the trial is scheduled

977
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 2: for February of two thousand and nine, but they can't

978
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 2: find her medical records from Sweden, so the trial is

979
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:02,240
Speaker 2: then pushed to September of two thousand and nine. So basically,

980
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:06,320
Speaker 2: these both of these sisters are kind of these mysteries.

981
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 2: They can't find anything about them, They can't figure out

982
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 2: what the deal is on them, which I think is

983
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 2: like so fascinating. Obviously there's there's mental illness taking place anyway,

984
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:23,319
Speaker 2: there's something really serious going on real somehow. Yeah, So

985
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:27,839
Speaker 2: she pleads guilty of manslaughter with diminished responsibility, but at

986
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 2: no point during her interrogation or during the trial does

987
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 2: she explain her actions. She only says no comment to

988
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 2: extensive police questioning. Both the prosecution and defense say that

989
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 2: she was insane at the time of the killing, but

990
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 2: sane during her trial, and the defense counsel claims that

991
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 2: Sabine is the secondary sufferer of fali Adu and that

992
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:59,800
Speaker 2: Ursula was the like, the primary, like the out basically

993
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 2: the alpha in this situation, which is easy to say

994
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:05,880
Speaker 2: now that she's off with her crushed.

995
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 1: Legs, and it doesn't diminish your responsibility for what you've done.

996
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 2: Well, because Ursula had nothing to do with that stabbing, right,

997
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 2: She wasn't there for it. So it's kind of like

998
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 2: it's trying to say, well, she's the one that's just

999
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 2: going along with everything, and it's like, yeah, but Ursula

1000
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 2: wasn't there to tell her to do that, And obviously

1001
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:25,399
Speaker 2: way more is going on if that was her, if

1002
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 2: that was her behavior when she was by.

1003
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 1: Herself, I don't want to know.

1004
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 2: I want to know all of it. Anyway, she's sentenced

1005
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 2: to five years in prison. She had already spent four

1006
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty nine days in custody, so she was

1007
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:47,839
Speaker 2: She ended up being eligible for a release in twenty eleven.

1008
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:52,399
Speaker 5: So they the judge says that she has a low

1009
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 5: level of culpability for her actions, but basically that the

1010
00:50:58,239 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 5: killing was based on mental illness.

1011
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 2: She thought she was in danger. They thought they were

1012
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:05,959
Speaker 2: in danger the whole time. They didn't know where they were,

1013
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 2: when they were on the freeway, when all that.

1014
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 3: Stuff was taking place.

1015
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 2: They clearly had a break from reality and had some

1016
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:14,799
Speaker 2: kind of a psychotic break because they were yelling at

1017
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 2: the police, call the police, and the police were repeatedly

1018
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 2: yelling back to them, we are the police, really and

1019
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 2: that just wasn't didn't seem to be breaking through in

1020
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 2: any way, and so I don't think there's no explanation,

1021
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 2: but it didn't seem like that changed in any significant

1022
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 2: way by the time Glenn Hollings had brought her into

1023
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 2: his apartment. Yeah, I mean she was like that's that

1024
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:39,919
Speaker 2: kind of thing though, of like what are you doing?

1025
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 2: Like what are you doing? This is like this is

1026
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 2: not a healthy person or an okay person. I mean,

1027
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 2: he was trying to be a good guy.

1028
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 1: It's what he was doing.

1029
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:51,359
Speaker 2: But there's a lot of danger in that of like

1030
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:54,720
Speaker 2: just taking in a mentally ill person from the street

1031
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:59,879
Speaker 2: is is a dangerous thing, even if it's a woman. Yeah,

1032
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 2: what was I gonna ask?

1033
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:02,359
Speaker 1: So did they get out?

1034
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 2: She out? Yes, she was paroled and we don't know

1035
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 2: hold on, yeah, yeah she got out. Where is she now?

1036
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:14,359
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1037
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:19,840
Speaker 1: I'm scared. I'm scared now. Uh.

1038
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:22,399
Speaker 3: And the brother of.

1039
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:30,959
Speaker 2: Glenn h Halling's head, the guy that got stabbed Halend's head,

1040
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 2: basically said that he he doesn't blame her because he

1041
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:40,280
Speaker 2: clearly understands that she was her mental state. She probably

1042
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 2: thought that was something she needed to do, but she

1043
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 2: blamed He blames that system that just released her into

1044
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:49,959
Speaker 2: the street with a plastic bag, going like, well, good luck.

1045
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 2: You clearly ran across the freeway three times. But now

1046
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 2: you're just on your own.

1047
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, without the person you've been with. So it's like,

1048
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:01,280
Speaker 1: we don't know if you Oh my god.

1049
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 2: But so here's the thing that I want to know,

1050
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 2: and like, let's just put aside. So because there weren't

1051
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 2: drugs in their system, so all those all their theories

1052
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 2: of like they're on PCP or this, none of that

1053
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:15,800
Speaker 2: proved out, and they I think the reason it's vague

1054
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 2: here and hopefully there's other people that know the details,

1055
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 2: and we would love to hear that. I would love

1056
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 2: to hear them. But like the idea that they're not

1057
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 2: they're not on drugs. Clearly there's some kind of a

1058
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 2: psychosis taking place, but not so much that they then

1059
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 2: get put into any kind of like that that Sabine

1060
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 2: gets put into any kind of a mental hospital should.

1061
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:37,359
Speaker 1: Have been what is it fifty fifty When they can

1062
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 1: hold you for being crazy, for.

1063
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:40,879
Speaker 2: Some and like, what more do you need than people

1064
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 2: across the freeway three times? Yeah, you're not hurt, get

1065
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:47,760
Speaker 2: out here, right, it doesn't It's very strange. It doesn't

1066
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 2: make a ton of sense, But for me, I want

1067
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 2: to know. So one of the things they said they

1068
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 2: were carrying were a whole bunch of cell phones in

1069
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:57,320
Speaker 2: those bags.

1070
00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, that they didn't want people to see.

1071
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 2: But the idea that they thought people wanted to take

1072
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:05,359
Speaker 2: their organs, like they thought they were being chased. They

1073
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:07,400
Speaker 2: thought they needed a bunch of cell phones. They couldn't

1074
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:12,919
Speaker 2: show them to people. They they like that idea. It's

1075
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 2: like a you know, paranoid delusion or whatever. But like

1076
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:18,359
Speaker 2: what did they what was the world that they were in.

1077
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 2: I would just be so fascinated to know the details

1078
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 2: of what they thought was happening.

1079
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 1: It's one of those like mysteries of like you know,

1080
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 1: like Tam and Choot that that guy you know that

1081
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:31,839
Speaker 1: I It's like, well, we ever know. I really want

1082
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 1: to know. Maybe the answer someday will be like the

1083
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 1: the girls, the girls in Austin who got killed at

1084
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:43,439
Speaker 1: the yogurt shot murders, Like I want to know so bad. Yeah,

1085
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 1: we might never know, yeah, just so frustrating.

1086
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 2: I feel like I I feel like I should have

1087
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 2: done like more back end research. But for me, the

1088
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 2: the fascinating part is that all I mean, it's the

1089
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 2: stabbing is an insane like ending and so terrible and

1090
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 2: so incredibly tragic, but like what was happening on that

1091
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 2: freeway is so crazy and that to me, I got

1092
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 2: all caught up in that and the video. I mean

1093
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 2: watching that video.

1094
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 1: Was just watched it.

1095
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 3: I did, because it's like it was.

1096
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:20,280
Speaker 1: The whole story totally.

1097
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:23,359
Speaker 2: I understand it's crazy, though it doesn't it's like your

1098
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:26,879
Speaker 2: mind can't comprehend it because it's a person running into track.

1099
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 1: No I can't.

1100
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy, wow, really really crazy. I want to

1101
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:37,319
Speaker 2: know also if Ursula being separate from if because they

1102
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 2: were separated, if anybody like snapped.

1103
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:42,320
Speaker 3: Out of it and then was like, oh this is we.

1104
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:42,879
Speaker 2: Were we were?

1105
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 1: I mean, but you can't blame it on that. I can't. Like,

1106
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 1: it's not real, the fucking like the connection that they

1107
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:53,919
Speaker 1: had that made them do this, you know what I mean,

1108
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 1: Like they're just both crazy, right, but it's real. I'm sorry,

1109
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 1: they're both mentally ill, yes, but separately they're mentally ill.

1110
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:03,760
Speaker 1: It's not like one is causing the other one.

1111
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,799
Speaker 3: Right, although that's kind of like the.

1112
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:08,320
Speaker 1: What they say happy yes.

1113
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 2: Because the other the Gibbons sisters, who are those who

1114
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:16,359
Speaker 2: are those twins who lived in Wales and they grew

1115
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 2: up they were like some of the only black people

1116
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 2: in Wales, So they grew up and they were terribly

1117
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 2: bullied and abused, so they didn't talk to anybody but

1118
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 2: each other, and they had a secret language. That's so

1119
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 2: this is basically it's the same thing. They had a

1120
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:34,239
Speaker 2: thing where when they were in jail because they they

1121
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 2: started lighting fires, so they went to jail, they went

1122
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 2: to a mental hospital because they didn't talk to anybody

1123
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 2: and they only talk to each other. But they would

1124
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:43,720
Speaker 2: do a thing where they would find one if standing

1125
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 2: frozen in a certain pose in her cell, and they

1126
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 2: would go to the other cell on the other side

1127
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 2: of the jail and she would be standing in the

1128
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:55,760
Speaker 2: exact same pose. Oh my fucking god, Oh my god.

1129
00:56:56,000 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 2: So there is something too, like the mental connection of twins.

1130
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:06,280
Speaker 2: I know there's something there, because like, how did that happen? Yeah,

1131
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 2: unless it was like, oh, every day we do this thing.

1132
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:11,880
Speaker 1: Right at this time, maybe I don't know, or is

1133
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 1: that you know, someone exaggerating at the mental hospital told

1134
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 1: someone that, and that got a little bigger and bigger

1135
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 1: and sure.

1136
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 3: Like it's its own creepypasta.

1137
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, well be kept.

1138
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 2: But every reporter there was a reporter that went and

1139
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 2: spent time with them who said they were just incredibly eerie.

1140
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:34,920
Speaker 2: You know, it's like two people that don't feel the

1141
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 2: need to talk, who would just sit there that also

1142
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 2: are like, you know, twins. And one of them finally

1143
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 2: said to that reporter, the only way I'm getting out

1144
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 2: of here is if one of us dies and then

1145
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 2: one did die of an expanded heart or something like

1146
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 2: kind of for no reason, like in a way where

1147
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 2: it's just one died and then the other got out

1148
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 2: and she lived a normal life, right huh, Or at

1149
00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 2: least she's got out and living her life outside of lasp.

1150
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 1: If you could be a twin, would you be a twin?

1151
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 1: I just don't want to be when I was a kid.

1152
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 1: You what I wanted to be when I was a kid.

1153
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it would be fun, it would

1154
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 2: I bet it would be hard to like look at

1155
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 2: yourself all the time.

1156
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 1: Part of me was just like I kind of want

1157
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 1: to know what I look like objectively, you know what

1158
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 1: I mean? Yes, And do you ever like look at

1159
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 1: photos and be like, Okay, if I saw that girl,

1160
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 1: what would I think?

1161
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 2: I don't know, I mean. The funny thing to me

1162
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 2: is that I can take such insanely bad pictures and

1163
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 2: I can take really good pictures, and then it's like, well,

1164
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:34,920
Speaker 2: what is the I guess it's just a happy medium.

1165
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 2: And that's how it is with everybody.

1166
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 1: It's so weird that, yeah, am I gonna get yeah? Everything?

1167
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:43,920
Speaker 1: What if you and I start sucking.

1168
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 2: What is it called morphing into each other? Follying, folly

1169
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 2: you doing? Yes, let's do that on the road. Okay,

1170
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 2: that'd be kind of fun.

1171
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 1: Let me be fun. It would be fun to.

1172
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 3: Just oh run and just get your.

1173
00:58:57,160 --> 00:58:59,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, like, can you make my decisions for me? Please?

1174
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 1: I'm done any decisions.

1175
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, my decision is to pull someone's eyes out.

1176
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:09,919
Speaker 1: Sorry, sorry, my decision is to a run into a freeway.

1177
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 1: All right, Okay, we're back. And that was a classic

1178
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 1: one that you covered. I remember that one. I always

1179
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 1: have any updates, of.

1180
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 2: Course, not no updates, no answers. No one's ever going

1181
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 2: to tell us what the fuck was going on? But

1182
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 2: I will say Sabina Erickson was released on parole in

1183
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 2: twenty eleven. She reportedly returned to Sweden. Her current whereabouts

1184
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 2: remain unknown. Her sister, Ursula recovered from her injuries and

1185
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 2: moved to Washington State, where she continues to live. The

1186
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 2: case still fascinates true crime audiences. Women in Crime covered

1187
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 2: the sisters in twenty twenty four and a podcast called

1188
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 2: Necronomapod in twenty twenty five. So people, I mean, this

1189
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 2: is the kind of like listen to this, this really happened.

1190
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 2: But I think it's the reason like that is because

1191
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:03,000
Speaker 2: it just is like, no, one can't explain it.

1192
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 1: No, totally. It's a fascinating mystery.

1193
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:09,440
Speaker 2: All right, Well, since we have no answers for you,

1194
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 2: and apparently you don't have them for us either, because

1195
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:14,720
Speaker 2: we would have heard by now, we're just going to

1196
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:17,440
Speaker 2: go to Georgia's story about mel Ignatou.

1197
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:25,760
Speaker 1: I love when I like think of a like when

1198
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, what murder should I do? And then I'm like, oh, yeah,

1199
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 1: I've fucking been fascinated by this one for years. I'm

1200
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 1: going to do it, you know, And it's like not

1201
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 1: when you're just randomly fine. Yeah. So Mel Ignato is

1202
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:42,040
Speaker 1: a fifty year old man, he's a divorced father of

1203
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 1: three grown kids, and Brenda Sue Schaeffer is thirty six.

1204
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 1: She's a medical assistant, and they had been a relationship

1205
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:54,720
Speaker 1: for two years and engaged, and then in nineteen eighty eight,

1206
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:58,920
Speaker 1: Shaeffer decides to break it off, and she tells a

1207
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 1: friend that Mel was sexually abusive and by all accounts,

1208
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 1: everyone says he's controlling and he's a sadistic motherfucker, is

1209
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:12,640
Speaker 1: what I wrote. So Brenda goes missing after deciding to

1210
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 1: break it off with Mel, and her car is found

1211
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:18,320
Speaker 1: on the highway real close to her home, close enough

1212
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:20,720
Speaker 1: that it had broken down she could have over walked home.

1213
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:27,760
Speaker 1: It's been broken into, the radio stolen, and family and police,

1214
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 1: though quickly suspect Mel in the disappearance, but they aren't

1215
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:36,760
Speaker 1: able to locate any witnesses or physical evidence linking him,

1216
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:45,200
Speaker 1: and they can't find Brenda her body, so they interview

1217
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 1: him to clear his name so he can clear his

1218
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:50,960
Speaker 1: name by testifying before a grand jury, and randomly he

1219
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:53,960
Speaker 1: mentions the name of his ex girlfriend of ten years,

1220
01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:57,720
Speaker 1: Mary Anne Shore, which randomly brings her to the investigation

1221
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:00,400
Speaker 1: for the first time. They hadn't even known she wasn't

1222
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 1: on the radar at all. So the police interview Marianne

1223
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:09,840
Speaker 1: and eventually she confesses to helping plan the murder of Brenda,

1224
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:13,720
Speaker 1: and of course, out of that, she gets a plea

1225
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:18,680
Speaker 1: bargain that she'll only get charged with tampering with evidence.

1226
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:25,680
Speaker 1: So Marianne tells police that Mel had convinced her to

1227
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:29,840
Speaker 1: help him plan and carry out Brenda's murder. They spends

1228
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 1: they had spent several weeks making extensive preparations for Brenda's murder,

1229
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:42,520
Speaker 1: including quote scream testing Marianne's house and digging a grave

1230
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:47,000
Speaker 1: in the woods behind her house. Mel even keeps a

1231
01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 1: checklist of the things he was going to do to

1232
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:51,960
Speaker 1: Brenda on the night he killed her. And these photos

1233
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:53,840
Speaker 1: of her. You know, I watched a couple episodes of

1234
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:56,920
Speaker 1: all these shows. And he looks like, you know, he's

1235
01:02:56,960 --> 01:02:59,200
Speaker 1: fifty years old. He looks like a dad. He looks

1236
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:03,240
Speaker 1: like a normal dude, normal eighties dad. She's thirty six,

1237
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:07,920
Speaker 1: and she's this pretty, you know, sweet looking girl, a

1238
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:09,560
Speaker 1: fucking sweet honesty.

1239
01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:12,000
Speaker 2: Ad, you know, and it's his girlfriend.

1240
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:14,680
Speaker 1: They're engaged and they were together for two years. She

1241
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:17,520
Speaker 1: had been divorced, and he's kind of like showering her

1242
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:21,600
Speaker 1: with gifts and it just gets weirder and weirder though,

1243
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:24,680
Speaker 1: and her family says in the beginning, like, we just

1244
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:27,320
Speaker 1: didn't understand why she was with him at all and

1245
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:30,720
Speaker 1: didn't trust him from the beginning. But I think you know,

1246
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:33,720
Speaker 1: he was a sociopath, so he was fucking charming at first.

1247
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, he made her feel special, right.

1248
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:41,880
Speaker 1: So on September twenty third, nineteen eighty eight, Marianne tells

1249
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:46,600
Speaker 1: the police that Mel lures Brenda to the house under

1250
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:49,360
Speaker 1: the guise of her returning some jewelry that had belonged

1251
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:51,040
Speaker 1: to Mel that I think he must have bought her.

1252
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:54,080
Speaker 1: And when Brenda gets in the house, Mel pulls a

1253
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:57,400
Speaker 1: gun and locks the door, and Marianne is there this

1254
01:03:57,440 --> 01:04:02,240
Speaker 1: whole time. He forces her to stray, then blindfolds, gags

1255
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 1: and binds her, and he uses the list of all

1256
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:07,360
Speaker 1: the things he was going to do to her and

1257
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:10,680
Speaker 1: proceeds to go down the list doing each of them.

1258
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:15,800
Speaker 1: He ties her to a coffee table and he rapes, sodomizes,

1259
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:20,080
Speaker 1: and beats her, all the while having Marianne take photos

1260
01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:20,920
Speaker 1: of what's going on?

1261
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:21,720
Speaker 2: What the fuck?

1262
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:24,160
Speaker 1: What in the fuck this is someone you were with

1263
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:30,000
Speaker 1: for two years? You have grown children? Like, who the fuck? Yeah,

1264
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:36,200
Speaker 1: let's see. Marianne says she never joined in and she

1265
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:39,800
Speaker 1: just took photos. Oh oh okay, Mary, Yeah, everything's fine.

1266
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:43,520
Speaker 2: Then okay, you just took the photos of a vicious attack.

1267
01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 2: He then even grocer's see that, you know, like you're

1268
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:54,560
Speaker 2: standing by taking photos.

1269
01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:56,040
Speaker 3: Get out, lady.

1270
01:04:56,440 --> 01:04:58,960
Speaker 2: I can't even watch a fucking bar fight, like.

1271
01:04:59,080 --> 01:04:59,960
Speaker 3: I love a bar fight?

1272
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:01,520
Speaker 2: Do I love it?

1273
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:02,880
Speaker 3: I love it?

1274
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:03,760
Speaker 1: What about it?

1275
01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:08,200
Speaker 2: I just like it's a very It's like watching attention.

1276
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:11,040
Speaker 2: It's from going to college in Sacramento.

1277
01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:12,000
Speaker 3: They happened all the time.

1278
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:14,480
Speaker 2: Basically, bars would clear out and then people would just

1279
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:17,960
Speaker 2: stand around watching people fight until the cops came. And

1280
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:21,160
Speaker 2: then girls would like cry and like you know, drunk girls,

1281
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:24,160
Speaker 2: and you'd be like, if you just be quiet, it'll

1282
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:27,240
Speaker 2: be over faster and then we'll all go home. It's

1283
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:30,240
Speaker 2: my favorite. It's just like male It's it's you know,

1284
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:31,240
Speaker 2: eighties male.

1285
01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:31,959
Speaker 1: Expression at show.

1286
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:34,760
Speaker 2: They're just like, I'm not a football player and I'm

1287
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:36,120
Speaker 2: not a frat boy.

1288
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 1: I don't know what to do I'm all pent up

1289
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:41,400
Speaker 1: with my fucking testosterone and anger.

1290
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:43,480
Speaker 2: And my feeling. I have all these feelings and I'm

1291
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:45,200
Speaker 2: not allowed to have them. And then I listen to

1292
01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:48,280
Speaker 2: a lot of Boston so here, I'm going to punch

1293
01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:49,360
Speaker 2: you right in the face.

1294
01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:52,200
Speaker 1: I saw a couple of vicious fights before, so like,

1295
01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:55,720
Speaker 1: I feel like I have this aversion to them because

1296
01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:59,240
Speaker 1: they were too awful. Yeah, I don't like, I can't,

1297
01:05:59,360 --> 01:05:59,919
Speaker 1: I can't look.

1298
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:01,800
Speaker 2: I love it.

1299
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 1: That's amazing. I love that. I love that. Anyways, back

1300
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:05,800
Speaker 1: to the horror.

1301
01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:07,160
Speaker 3: Okay, um.

1302
01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:10,800
Speaker 1: Da da, she's taking photos, says she never joins in.

1303
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:13,480
Speaker 1: He then takes Mel, then takes Brenda back to the

1304
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:18,840
Speaker 1: back bedroom and kills her by putting a rag soaked

1305
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:23,400
Speaker 1: in chloroform over her mouth until she dies, her fucking baby,

1306
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:27,640
Speaker 1: and then Marianne helps Mel cover up the murder by

1307
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:31,160
Speaker 1: including burying Brenda in a hole they dug behind the house,

1308
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:35,560
Speaker 1: so they bury her. Mary Anne so after her admission

1309
01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:39,480
Speaker 1: fourteen months after Brenda's disappearance, Marianne leads the investigators to

1310
01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:43,520
Speaker 1: the grave site. They find Brenda's badly decomposed body buried there.

1311
01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:46,280
Speaker 1: Of course, there's no DNA evidence since the body had

1312
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:48,280
Speaker 1: been decomposed, But that's in nineteen eighty eight, you know

1313
01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:50,600
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like, I feel like now they could

1314
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:53,560
Speaker 1: have fourteen months. Isn't that long to be buried? Right?

1315
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:54,640
Speaker 4: Oh?

1316
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:57,040
Speaker 2: I feel like these days they could get it in

1317
01:06:57,160 --> 01:07:01,280
Speaker 2: so many ways. Totally yeah, But back then it was like, yeah, yeah,

1318
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:02,440
Speaker 2: did totally different story.

1319
01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:07,840
Speaker 1: Yes, So the investigators convinced Marianna wear a wire to

1320
01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:10,280
Speaker 1: talk to Mel and she tells them that the FBI

1321
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:12,720
Speaker 1: is hounding her. She's afraid the property behind her house

1322
01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:16,080
Speaker 1: is going to be sold and developed. And he's on

1323
01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:19,040
Speaker 1: the tape reading her for letting the FBI quote rattle

1324
01:07:19,120 --> 01:07:21,560
Speaker 1: her and told her that he didn't care if they

1325
01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:24,160
Speaker 1: dug up the whole property because quote, that place we

1326
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:28,560
Speaker 1: dug is not shallow. So, based on this recording, as

1327
01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:32,520
Speaker 1: well as a little physical evidence from his home, prosecutors

1328
01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:37,200
Speaker 1: charge mel Ignatau of Ignato with the murder in nineteen

1329
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:44,919
Speaker 1: ninety one. And then, okay, let's see. So during one

1330
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:49,760
Speaker 1: of the recorded conversations, when mel says that place we

1331
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:53,560
Speaker 1: dug is not shallow, he says, besides that one area

1332
01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:57,040
Speaker 1: right by where that site does not have any trees

1333
01:07:57,080 --> 01:08:01,240
Speaker 1: by it. The defense attorney can vince the jury that

1334
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:06,800
Speaker 1: Mel said safe and not sight, and uh so it

1335
01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:10,480
Speaker 1: led the jurors to conclude that the discussion involved burying

1336
01:08:10,600 --> 01:08:14,600
Speaker 1: a safe, not a body, so instead of sight they

1337
01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:17,760
Speaker 1: thought it would they convinced the jury that it was safe,

1338
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:19,400
Speaker 1: like they fucking buried a safe.

1339
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:22,439
Speaker 2: But didn't Marianne already tell them everything they needed to know?

1340
01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:29,799
Speaker 1: Well so so, so Marianne testifies she's a star witness,

1341
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:33,519
Speaker 1: but she dresses like skimpy, laughs the whole time during

1342
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:38,160
Speaker 1: her testimony, and they argue. The defense argues that mari

1343
01:08:38,280 --> 01:08:41,800
Speaker 1: Anne killed Brenda, not Mel, and so him saying that

1344
01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:45,559
Speaker 1: thing about a safe doesn't implicate him in the murder.

1345
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:49,479
Speaker 1: WHOA yeah, so and she had been convicted of fraud before,

1346
01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:56,280
Speaker 1: and so her credibility is totally underminded, undermounded, underminded, undermine,

1347
01:08:56,360 --> 01:08:58,280
Speaker 1: undermined in the eyes.

1348
01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:00,479
Speaker 3: Under mound was a joke.

1349
01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:04,440
Speaker 1: I knew it wasn't that, Stephen. Don't write that down, Stephen.

1350
01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:06,640
Speaker 2: I see you write that down under mounds, undermound.

1351
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:10,519
Speaker 1: That's my new word, oh, I wrote her, all of

1352
01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:13,000
Speaker 1: which undermines are a little bit credibility in the eyes

1353
01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:16,000
Speaker 1: of the stupid idiot jury. Then I said, the stupid

1354
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:20,479
Speaker 1: idiot jury found Malignato not guilty on all seven counts.

1355
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:26,360
Speaker 1: Whoa yep. Then the judge, Martin Johnstone, he's so embarrassed

1356
01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:28,640
Speaker 1: by the verdict that he writes a letter of apology

1357
01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:32,400
Speaker 1: to the Schaeffer family saying, if it was just me

1358
01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:33,880
Speaker 1: and not a jury, I would have fucking put this

1359
01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:36,519
Speaker 1: guy away forever, which is like pretty amazing.

1360
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:37,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1361
01:09:37,439 --> 01:09:40,040
Speaker 1: And then an interesting random fact, so it was this

1362
01:09:40,160 --> 01:09:43,639
Speaker 1: was it took place like December twenty first or so,

1363
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:47,360
Speaker 1: And it turns out that when a trial, the closer

1364
01:09:47,360 --> 01:09:51,320
Speaker 1: a trial takes place to Christmas, juries are more likely

1365
01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:51,799
Speaker 1: to acquit.

1366
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:54,360
Speaker 2: That makes sense, it's not fucked up, yeap.

1367
01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:56,439
Speaker 1: Is it because they want to get the fuck out

1368
01:09:56,479 --> 01:10:00,200
Speaker 1: of trial or is it because they have, like have

1369
01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:02,200
Speaker 1: feelings of you know, when you get off fuzzy and

1370
01:10:02,240 --> 01:10:04,799
Speaker 1: cozy during the holidays and you're like love and family

1371
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:05,360
Speaker 1: and stuff.

1372
01:10:05,439 --> 01:10:07,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I bet it's like, I bet it's a bit

1373
01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:10,240
Speaker 2: of both, depending on the personality. But it's like normally

1374
01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:13,040
Speaker 2: where you wouldn't have either at play, Yeah, you have

1375
01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:16,280
Speaker 2: now both at play, right, So whether it's the person

1376
01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:21,160
Speaker 2: that's like, but I just watched this Hallmark movie.

1377
01:10:21,400 --> 01:10:26,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. Fuck, and like in the fucking courtroom there's like

1378
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:28,760
Speaker 1: a Christmas tree in the corner.

1379
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:30,960
Speaker 2: And they're like, people are looking over there, like I've

1380
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:33,720
Speaker 2: got to go shopping now. They bake cookies, so it

1381
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:34,679
Speaker 2: just smells nice.

1382
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:39,599
Speaker 1: Immediate mistrial. Uh theys just no, they just spray air freshmen.

1383
01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:41,360
Speaker 1: They smells like bake cookies.

1384
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:44,160
Speaker 2: Spray cinnamon glade. Don't you love it? Okay? Innocent?

1385
01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:50,120
Speaker 1: Okay. So six months later, Okay, then so he's out

1386
01:10:50,120 --> 01:10:53,360
Speaker 1: this motherfucker. Six months later, he sells his house because

1387
01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:55,360
Speaker 1: he needs funds to pay for his legal bills. And

1388
01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:58,080
Speaker 1: the house is like, he's not a fucking trashy person.

1389
01:10:58,280 --> 01:11:00,519
Speaker 1: He has a beautiful house. He looks like an guy.

1390
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:02,400
Speaker 3: I argue he is a trashy person.

1391
01:11:02,479 --> 01:11:04,120
Speaker 1: I mean clearly, you know what I mean, Like you

1392
01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:07,240
Speaker 1: wouldn't know. Like when I was like researching it, I

1393
01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:11,000
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I thought of like making a murderer dude, yes, right,

1394
01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:14,960
Speaker 1: who just like lives on a you know, farm or whatever. No,

1395
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:18,400
Speaker 1: it's like a lovely tutor house and he is your

1396
01:11:18,439 --> 01:11:22,680
Speaker 1: fucking dad's best friend in the eighties. Yeah, So he

1397
01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:24,840
Speaker 1: sells the house he needs to pay for the legal bills.

1398
01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:25,639
Speaker 3: Hmm.

1399
01:11:26,240 --> 01:11:29,360
Speaker 1: So a carpenter is laying a carpet layer is working

1400
01:11:29,360 --> 01:11:32,559
Speaker 1: on the house. He pulls up a length of carpet

1401
01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:36,240
Speaker 1: in the hallway. Underneath that carpet is a floor event.

1402
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:39,880
Speaker 1: Inside that floor event is a plastic bag taped to

1403
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:44,040
Speaker 1: the inside of the vent Ooh. Inside the bag is

1404
01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:47,240
Speaker 1: the jewelry that Brenda had brought over the night of

1405
01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:50,800
Speaker 1: as well as three rolls of undeveloped film.

1406
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:54,160
Speaker 2: Oh shit, and he grabbed that bag and ran.

1407
01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:56,599
Speaker 1: Nope, because he didn't own the fucking house anymore. Someone

1408
01:11:56,600 --> 01:11:59,080
Speaker 1: else owned it. Oh you mean the guy the carpet,

1409
01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:00,360
Speaker 1: the carpenter, Yes, he.

1410
01:12:00,360 --> 01:12:05,479
Speaker 2: Did, okay, good, okay, And now very silently, he.

1411
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:08,519
Speaker 3: Nailed in some wood and covered that.

1412
01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:12,839
Speaker 1: He opened all the and he exposed the film. Anyways,

1413
01:12:12,840 --> 01:12:17,000
Speaker 1: that's the nd of my story. And by yeah, so

1414
01:12:17,080 --> 01:12:20,640
Speaker 1: the fucking cops get those three rolls of film developed.

1415
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:24,599
Speaker 1: It's like one hundred and eighty photos of start to finish.

1416
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:28,280
Speaker 1: Marianne's i mean, Brenda's torture and.

1417
01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:32,599
Speaker 2: Murder taken by Marianne. So everything she said was try

1418
01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:33,920
Speaker 2: Mel holy well.

1419
01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:37,080
Speaker 1: Mel's face isn't in the film, but his body hair

1420
01:12:37,160 --> 01:12:40,920
Speaker 1: patterns and match it perfectly. Oh good, okay, and match

1421
01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:43,920
Speaker 1: her story? Yes, like she wasn't fucking lying. She's a

1422
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:47,400
Speaker 1: fucking monster. Yea, so she was lying. Hey, guess what, Karen?

1423
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:49,400
Speaker 2: What ever heard of double jeopardy?

1424
01:12:49,479 --> 01:12:49,880
Speaker 1: I you sure?

1425
01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:50,160
Speaker 2: How?

1426
01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:50,559
Speaker 5: Oh?

1427
01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:50,920
Speaker 1: Well?

1428
01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:53,320
Speaker 3: Here it is to ruin your night?

1429
01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:53,920
Speaker 2: Yep?

1430
01:12:54,439 --> 01:12:58,160
Speaker 1: Because of double jeopardy. Mel Campy retried for Brenda's murder.

1431
01:12:58,320 --> 01:13:01,160
Speaker 1: He's brought a child for trial for perjury based on

1432
01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:03,240
Speaker 1: his grand jury testimony. Because it's like all they could

1433
01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:08,160
Speaker 1: fucking do. He knew he couldn't be retried for murder,

1434
01:13:08,240 --> 01:13:11,559
Speaker 1: so he confesses in court at his perjury trial to

1435
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:15,519
Speaker 1: the whole fucking thing, turns to schaeffer, to Brenda's brothers,

1436
01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:19,519
Speaker 1: and says, but she died peacefully.

1437
01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:21,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1438
01:13:21,640 --> 01:13:23,960
Speaker 1: He gets an eight year sentence for perjury service, five

1439
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:27,320
Speaker 1: of those years credit for two years that he was served,

1440
01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:31,720
Speaker 1: and another year off for good behavior. You get can

1441
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:34,479
Speaker 1: we look at your whole life of behavior and know

1442
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:37,600
Speaker 1: that you murdered someone? And then so that doesn't so

1443
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:40,320
Speaker 1: you fucking not getting in a fight at the mess

1444
01:13:40,360 --> 01:13:43,960
Speaker 1: hall doesn't take get time off your fucking sentence. You'd

1445
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:54,759
Speaker 1: think one would think, excuse me, so sentenced. Okay, good behavior,

1446
01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:58,519
Speaker 1: he's out. He gets another thing, another charge, another year,

1447
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:00,000
Speaker 1: another thing for perjury, a different thing.

1448
01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:04,240
Speaker 2: So they're still going after him in whatever way they can. Yeah,

1449
01:14:04,280 --> 01:14:06,400
Speaker 2: like they do on law and order. Yeah, we'll get

1450
01:14:06,479 --> 01:14:07,920
Speaker 2: him for good day.

1451
01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:12,040
Speaker 1: Right, So he gets he's another trial for perjury, nine

1452
01:14:12,120 --> 01:14:15,519
Speaker 1: years for that, released from prison but the second time.

1453
01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:19,680
Speaker 1: In December two thousand and six, he goes home to Louisville,

1454
01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:22,400
Speaker 1: living at home four miles from the house where he

1455
01:14:22,520 --> 01:14:26,439
Speaker 1: murdered Brenda Whoa. Two years later, September one, two thousand

1456
01:14:26,479 --> 01:14:32,599
Speaker 1: and eight, Mel allegedly falls off a ladder, cuts his

1457
01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:36,480
Speaker 1: arm on a glass coffee table. Again the coffee table. Oh,

1458
01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:42,280
Speaker 1: slowly leads to death. Yay, he's seventy years old. Okay

1459
01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:46,000
Speaker 1: is I'm sorry. So it's a ladder inside the house.

1460
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:47,680
Speaker 1: I think it's a ladder, but you know he's like

1461
01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:49,800
Speaker 1: hanging or painting on a standing.

1462
01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:50,280
Speaker 3: Doing something done.

1463
01:14:50,320 --> 01:14:53,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, falls off of it, and it's Some places say

1464
01:14:53,439 --> 01:14:57,120
Speaker 1: he breaks through the glass and cuts his arms, some

1465
01:14:57,160 --> 01:14:59,920
Speaker 1: say his head. But either way, like there was like

1466
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:02,760
Speaker 1: blood marks where you like climbed around the house and

1467
01:15:02,760 --> 01:15:04,880
Speaker 1: like couldn't and so people are like, did he really

1468
01:15:04,920 --> 01:15:05,479
Speaker 1: fall like.

1469
01:15:06,160 --> 01:15:08,760
Speaker 2: Or did someone like basically go smash his head into

1470
01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:10,200
Speaker 2: a glass coffee.

1471
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:11,760
Speaker 1: Table, into a coffee table, which is the same thing

1472
01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:15,799
Speaker 1: he fucking tied Brenda to when she came over somewhere.

1473
01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:17,840
Speaker 1: I said, that's the same coffee table. But I don't

1474
01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:20,519
Speaker 1: think that's true, and that would be yeah.

1475
01:15:20,439 --> 01:15:22,559
Speaker 2: Well that would mean he would put that coffee table

1476
01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:23,600
Speaker 2: into storage.

1477
01:15:24,280 --> 01:15:25,920
Speaker 1: But it wasn't his coffee table again with it was

1478
01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:29,760
Speaker 1: Marianne's house. Okay, although I think he owned it, I

1479
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:30,479
Speaker 1: don't know something.

1480
01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:31,880
Speaker 2: So he's fucked.

1481
01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:34,200
Speaker 1: This piece of shit is dead at seventy. In two

1482
01:15:34,200 --> 01:15:37,280
Speaker 1: thousand and eight, Mary Anne served three years with five

1483
01:15:37,360 --> 01:15:40,800
Speaker 1: year sentence, dies from cancer in the hospice at age

1484
01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:41,400
Speaker 1: fifty four.

1485
01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:48,280
Speaker 2: Whoa, that's young. Yeah that yeah, yeah, that's her body

1486
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:49,080
Speaker 2: turned on herself.

1487
01:15:49,240 --> 01:15:49,800
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1488
01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:51,360
Speaker 3: They were like, we're shutting this shit down.

1489
01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:54,280
Speaker 1: She's a monster. Like if you watch her talking and

1490
01:15:54,439 --> 01:15:56,000
Speaker 1: see her, she's a monster.

1491
01:15:56,479 --> 01:16:00,320
Speaker 2: I don't understand, Like he's dating he's a fifth year

1492
01:16:00,320 --> 01:16:02,559
Speaker 2: old man dating a thirty six year old or thirty

1493
01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:05,920
Speaker 2: four year old. Why doesn't he just break up with her?

1494
01:16:05,960 --> 01:16:08,360
Speaker 2: Why does he have to kill her? Hes have to

1495
01:16:08,400 --> 01:16:11,880
Speaker 2: like rape her and demean her and what's the deal.

1496
01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:15,680
Speaker 1: In the worst way possible, And he planned it for weeks,

1497
01:16:16,040 --> 01:16:18,519
Speaker 1: like he wanted to do this so badly to her,

1498
01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:22,360
Speaker 1: and it was like two years. I mean, I just

1499
01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:23,120
Speaker 1: don't understand.

1500
01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:25,280
Speaker 2: He's a beast. That's crazy.

1501
01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:28,559
Speaker 1: They went back and interviewed like ex girlfriends, his ex wife,

1502
01:16:28,600 --> 01:16:31,880
Speaker 1: and by all accounts, he's a sexual sadist. Oh, he's

1503
01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:34,120
Speaker 1: a fucking monster. Like it's surprising that this is the

1504
01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:37,280
Speaker 1: first time he did it. Did that, you know, yeah,

1505
01:16:37,439 --> 01:16:41,160
Speaker 1: especially because he planned like at fifty he kills the

1506
01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:45,000
Speaker 1: first one, you know. Yeah, he had tortured his other

1507
01:16:45,080 --> 01:16:47,400
Speaker 1: girlfriends like this before and they all broke up with him,

1508
01:16:47,479 --> 01:16:49,680
Speaker 1: or they ended the relationship somehow.

1509
01:16:49,479 --> 01:16:51,320
Speaker 2: Or there's just ones that they don't know about.

1510
01:16:51,400 --> 01:16:51,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1511
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:55,320
Speaker 2: Also, it's then it actually explains Marianne a little bit

1512
01:16:55,360 --> 01:17:00,320
Speaker 2: more because those because of how like weird spangolish, those

1513
01:17:00,360 --> 01:17:03,120
Speaker 2: types of men can be where suddenly you're doing things

1514
01:17:03,160 --> 01:17:05,960
Speaker 2: that you would never do. Maybe I don't know, I

1515
01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:08,200
Speaker 2: know we've talked a lot of it about Marianne, but

1516
01:17:08,360 --> 01:17:10,720
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, oh, she's a victim too in that

1517
01:17:10,760 --> 01:17:13,439
Speaker 2: way where it's just one more person in his weird

1518
01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:16,400
Speaker 2: chain of the way he uses women and what he.

1519
01:17:16,360 --> 01:17:18,280
Speaker 1: Does to them against each other.

1520
01:17:18,520 --> 01:17:21,280
Speaker 2: Yes, where it's just like, well, you're the special one,

1521
01:17:21,360 --> 01:17:22,400
Speaker 2: so hold this camera.

1522
01:17:22,439 --> 01:17:24,080
Speaker 3: I mean, like god, it's.

1523
01:17:23,960 --> 01:17:26,400
Speaker 1: Just or she's terrified of him because she's had ten

1524
01:17:26,479 --> 01:17:29,360
Speaker 1: years of fucking psychological and physical abuse from him as

1525
01:17:29,360 --> 01:17:32,880
Speaker 1: well and sexual abuse shoes with him for ten years.

1526
01:17:33,200 --> 01:17:38,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's maybe in so deep and brainwashed.

1527
01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:44,320
Speaker 1: It brainwashed PTSD. Ugh, it's so ugly. That's gross. I

1528
01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:47,479
Speaker 1: wish I had a positive spin on it at the end, but.

1529
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:49,680
Speaker 2: No, I don't think you can spin that one one.

1530
01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:58,639
Speaker 2: They're not that one or Brenda. Yeah, that's awful. Yeah, okay,

1531
01:17:58,640 --> 01:17:59,120
Speaker 2: we're back.

1532
01:17:59,439 --> 01:18:01,200
Speaker 3: Wow. Any updates on this story?

1533
01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:03,719
Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean I think about this case a lot

1534
01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:07,880
Speaker 1: because I feel like when you I just I think

1535
01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:10,960
Speaker 1: about serving a search worm on someone's house, Like how

1536
01:18:10,960 --> 01:18:13,160
Speaker 1: far do you go? Do you pull walls off? Like

1537
01:18:13,200 --> 01:18:17,320
Speaker 1: you just a it's so frustrating. Yeah, you know, I

1538
01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:20,120
Speaker 1: just wonder how they do. I'm very curious about search

1539
01:18:20,120 --> 01:18:23,600
Speaker 1: warrants in houses and like what extent they go to.

1540
01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:26,320
Speaker 2: Let me explain it to you, because I've watched Law

1541
01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:29,240
Speaker 2: and Order a bunch. It seems to me like it

1542
01:18:29,280 --> 01:18:34,320
Speaker 2: has to be within there's almost like an evidentiary scope,

1543
01:18:34,439 --> 01:18:36,479
Speaker 2: Isn't that the thing they always say it's like out

1544
01:18:36,520 --> 01:18:38,600
Speaker 2: of scope or not in scope. So you if you

1545
01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:40,120
Speaker 2: were going to pull the walls down, you would have

1546
01:18:40,160 --> 01:18:43,759
Speaker 2: to have some sort of like reliable evidence something's behind

1547
01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:44,520
Speaker 2: those walls.

1548
01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:46,439
Speaker 1: Right, and there's a list of things that they're looking for.

1549
01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:48,679
Speaker 1: And if there's no reason for that thing to be

1550
01:18:48,680 --> 01:18:53,679
Speaker 1: behind a wall, then yeah, you're probably right. But you know, right,

1551
01:18:53,960 --> 01:18:56,839
Speaker 1: let us know, tell us we want to know, please lawyers.

1552
01:18:56,960 --> 01:18:59,280
Speaker 1: So but I don't have any real updates. But this case,

1553
01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:02,360
Speaker 1: of course, continues to spark conversation about double Jeopardy and

1554
01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:05,439
Speaker 1: how the legal system can fail. The show Evil livesey

1555
01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:07,759
Speaker 1: Or covered the case in a twenty twenty one episode

1556
01:19:07,760 --> 01:19:09,760
Speaker 1: called He Got Away with Murder, which looks at what

1557
01:19:09,880 --> 01:19:14,400
Speaker 1: happened and how double Jeopardy kept mel Ignatal from being retried.

1558
01:19:15,200 --> 01:19:17,240
Speaker 1: I didn't mention this on the original episode. But there's

1559
01:19:17,280 --> 01:19:20,840
Speaker 1: also a book called Double Jeopardy, Obsession, Murder, and Justice

1560
01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:23,519
Speaker 1: Denied by Bob Hill. It came out in nineteen ninety five,

1561
01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:25,880
Speaker 1: and it breaks down the twists in the case. The

1562
01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:28,760
Speaker 1: courtroom drama and what went wrong? So check that out.

1563
01:19:29,200 --> 01:19:31,519
Speaker 1: And then in twenty twenty four, forty eight Hours released

1564
01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:34,320
Speaker 1: an episode called Double Jeopardy, which takes a deeper look

1565
01:19:34,360 --> 01:19:36,960
Speaker 1: at how the law prevented justice in this case. So

1566
01:19:37,200 --> 01:19:40,080
Speaker 1: just still a fascinating case to like deep dive into.

1567
01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:41,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, I bet you.

1568
01:19:41,680 --> 01:19:44,439
Speaker 2: I wonder how many lawyers got into like actually what

1569
01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:46,920
Speaker 2: and studied law because of this case or because of

1570
01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:49,360
Speaker 2: a Double Jeopardy case where it's like, how can that be?

1571
01:19:49,720 --> 01:19:53,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not fair, right, but it is.

1572
01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:56,000
Speaker 2: But it is for the protections of like, you can't

1573
01:19:56,040 --> 01:19:57,360
Speaker 2: just keep retrying somebody.

1574
01:19:57,439 --> 01:19:59,080
Speaker 1: Totally totally okay.

1575
01:19:59,160 --> 01:20:02,439
Speaker 2: So we have a hometown, yeah, from our own banana

1576
01:20:02,439 --> 01:20:05,320
Speaker 2: boy Kurt Bronneller, who was not at the time their podcast,

1577
01:20:05,400 --> 01:20:09,000
Speaker 2: Bananas the Weird News podcast did not exist, but he

1578
01:20:09,400 --> 01:20:12,360
Speaker 2: I think, called in and left a message. Yeah, so

1579
01:20:12,520 --> 01:20:19,080
Speaker 2: here's Kurt Broneller's hometown. We have a murder from a friend,

1580
01:20:20,479 --> 01:20:21,800
Speaker 2: should we do kurts Oh?

1581
01:20:21,880 --> 01:20:24,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So.

1582
01:20:24,840 --> 01:20:27,000
Speaker 2: Okay, we haven't done a we haven't done a friend

1583
01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:28,200
Speaker 2: hometown murder in a while.

1584
01:20:28,280 --> 01:20:31,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, And we have a friend, Kurt Broneller. I'm sure

1585
01:20:31,680 --> 01:20:36,720
Speaker 1: you guys know he's a hilarious comedian actor, and.

1586
01:20:36,680 --> 01:20:37,880
Speaker 3: He called called one in.

1587
01:20:38,160 --> 01:20:41,000
Speaker 1: He called one in. I haven't listened to this. Let's

1588
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:41,719
Speaker 1: hear Kurtz.

1589
01:20:42,680 --> 01:20:48,120
Speaker 4: Hey, it's it's Kurt. So here's my here's my murder story.

1590
01:20:49,439 --> 01:20:52,960
Speaker 4: I Uh. This was a teacher that taught at my

1591
01:20:53,200 --> 01:20:56,880
Speaker 4: high school, Christian Brothers Academy. It sounds very fancy, but

1592
01:20:56,920 --> 01:20:58,000
Speaker 4: it wasn't really fancy.

1593
01:20:58,000 --> 01:20:58,479
Speaker 1: It was just.

1594
01:20:58,479 --> 01:21:02,719
Speaker 4: A all boys Catholic school in Lyndcroft, New Jersey. He

1595
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:05,599
Speaker 4: was the Latin teacher a few years after I stopped

1596
01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:10,440
Speaker 4: going there, But the Latin teachers historically had been lunatics.

1597
01:21:11,439 --> 01:21:13,360
Speaker 4: The Latin teacher that was there when I was there

1598
01:21:13,439 --> 01:21:16,960
Speaker 4: was a monk, like a brother. Most of the teachers

1599
01:21:16,960 --> 01:21:19,800
Speaker 4: were brothers and they were all like weirdos, but he

1600
01:21:19,960 --> 01:21:22,360
Speaker 4: was like the weirdest of the weirdos. He wouldn't allow

1601
01:21:22,400 --> 01:21:24,200
Speaker 4: you to have a pen in class or hold a

1602
01:21:24,240 --> 01:21:28,200
Speaker 4: pen and when we and he also would just always

1603
01:21:28,200 --> 01:21:31,679
Speaker 4: constantly talk about his nieces little cupcake breast, not getting

1604
01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:35,080
Speaker 4: obtressed about the bad many times about our little cupcake press.

1605
01:21:36,320 --> 01:21:38,160
Speaker 4: He was taken out of the position of being a

1606
01:21:38,200 --> 01:21:40,840
Speaker 4: Latin teacher because a kid in the class was holding

1607
01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:42,800
Speaker 4: a pen and so he punched him in the mouth

1608
01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:45,360
Speaker 4: and then they're like, Okay, you don't get to teach anymore.

1609
01:21:45,720 --> 01:21:48,439
Speaker 4: And then that was taken over by my good friend Steve,

1610
01:21:49,080 --> 01:21:51,200
Speaker 4: who was the Latin teacher for a little while. He

1611
01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:53,960
Speaker 4: couldn't take it. It drove him crazy. He left that,

1612
01:21:54,240 --> 01:21:57,120
Speaker 4: he stopped teaching and went to live in Italy to

1613
01:21:57,120 --> 01:21:59,800
Speaker 4: become a stone sculptor, a marble stone sculptor. And that's

1614
01:21:59,800 --> 01:22:03,240
Speaker 4: where this guy, this guy Matt, took over as the

1615
01:22:03,320 --> 01:22:07,080
Speaker 4: Latin teacher. With teaching Latin the Christian Brother's Academy drove

1616
01:22:07,200 --> 01:22:09,519
Speaker 4: him so crazy that he just started getting in the

1617
01:22:09,560 --> 01:22:14,479
Speaker 4: smoking crack apparently in the afternoons in a place that

1618
01:22:14,720 --> 01:22:17,559
Speaker 4: my aunt used to live called Ocean Grove. And Ocean

1619
01:22:17,560 --> 01:22:20,200
Speaker 4: Grove is a Christian community, so Christian that in the

1620
01:22:20,200 --> 01:22:23,960
Speaker 4: eighties on Sunday they would close off the town to cars.

1621
01:22:24,080 --> 01:22:26,120
Speaker 4: He apparently Jesus doesn't like you to drive a car

1622
01:22:26,200 --> 01:22:29,160
Speaker 4: on Sunday. And so my aunt used to live there

1623
01:22:29,160 --> 01:22:31,400
Speaker 4: and she used to babysit me and she's since become

1624
01:22:31,439 --> 01:22:33,400
Speaker 4: a nun. So I'm just trying to express to you

1625
01:22:33,520 --> 01:22:37,240
Speaker 4: how Christian and Catholic this whole situation is This guy

1626
01:22:37,280 --> 01:22:40,680
Speaker 4: works at Christian Brothers Academy. He's smoking crack with a

1627
01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:44,240
Speaker 4: woman whose last name is wed so is Missus Weed

1628
01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:47,519
Speaker 4: and this guy Matt are smoking crack together on a

1629
01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:51,439
Speaker 4: Sunday afternoon, and then around six thirty pm they get

1630
01:22:51,439 --> 01:22:54,919
Speaker 4: into an argument. He murders her with a knifety stamps

1631
01:22:56,040 --> 01:22:59,160
Speaker 4: nine times in the neck after I guess there was

1632
01:22:59,200 --> 01:23:03,200
Speaker 4: also some beat. It's very horrific, and then he just

1633
01:23:03,560 --> 01:23:07,479
Speaker 4: walked out down the street to Ocean Grove. So near

1634
01:23:07,880 --> 01:23:11,280
Speaker 4: minutes after people called the cops because they heard him screaming.

1635
01:23:11,479 --> 01:23:13,880
Speaker 4: They just found him wandering down the streets of this

1636
01:23:14,840 --> 01:23:19,360
Speaker 4: Christian town, just bloody, having murdered this woman they just

1637
01:23:19,439 --> 01:23:21,800
Speaker 4: loved to smoke crack with on a Sunday afternoon. This

1638
01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:24,800
Speaker 4: is at six thirty pm, so whenever they started smoking crack.

1639
01:23:25,080 --> 01:23:28,400
Speaker 4: I have no idea, but that's what my high school

1640
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:28,720
Speaker 4: would do.

1641
01:23:28,760 --> 01:23:34,640
Speaker 2: To you, Jesus, that's insanity.

1642
01:23:34,840 --> 01:23:36,080
Speaker 1: Is the reord that I never want to hang out

1643
01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:37,720
Speaker 1: with Kurt again, because I'm terrified.

1644
01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:41,719
Speaker 2: I love the visual of a guy covered in blood

1645
01:23:41,800 --> 01:23:44,799
Speaker 2: walking through a town where you're not allowed to drive

1646
01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:46,000
Speaker 2: on the weekends.

1647
01:23:46,200 --> 01:23:49,439
Speaker 1: It sounds like it sounds like, yeah, that was like

1648
01:23:49,560 --> 01:23:52,600
Speaker 1: it sounds like a Twilight Zone town. Yes, that's so

1649
01:23:52,720 --> 01:23:56,519
Speaker 1: perfect that then a guy suddenly the image of the

1650
01:23:56,560 --> 01:23:58,639
Speaker 1: opposite of that walking through town.

1651
01:23:58,920 --> 01:24:02,080
Speaker 3: Also, what was driving people so crazy about that?

1652
01:24:02,200 --> 01:24:05,439
Speaker 1: Latin class sucking Latin man, there's some there's some like

1653
01:24:05,720 --> 01:24:07,280
Speaker 1: devil shit, devil shit in there.

1654
01:24:07,439 --> 01:24:08,200
Speaker 3: It's devilish.

1655
01:24:08,240 --> 01:24:09,439
Speaker 1: I can believe they taught it there.

1656
01:24:09,880 --> 01:24:10,920
Speaker 3: Wow, that was her.

1657
01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:14,240
Speaker 2: That was quite the episode. That was that was dark.

1658
01:24:14,600 --> 01:24:16,280
Speaker 3: That one had something for everybody.

1659
01:24:16,439 --> 01:24:22,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, mostly murder if everyone wanted murder. Yeah.

1660
01:24:23,200 --> 01:24:25,559
Speaker 1: Well we're back, and the only update there is that

1661
01:24:25,640 --> 01:24:28,559
Speaker 1: Kurt Bronnaller and Scottie Lindis have gone on to make

1662
01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:31,600
Speaker 1: a podcast here at exactly right again called Bananas. Be

1663
01:24:31,680 --> 01:24:33,120
Speaker 1: sure to listen. It's very funny.

1664
01:24:33,479 --> 01:24:38,720
Speaker 2: I mean it's like Kurt Kara Clank. Yeah, she she

1665
01:24:38,840 --> 01:24:41,080
Speaker 2: did a hometown. She has a podcast here too. I mean,

1666
01:24:41,120 --> 01:24:45,160
Speaker 2: like it's pretty clear our development process, friends and family.

1667
01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:46,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.

1668
01:24:46,520 --> 01:24:48,720
Speaker 2: Okay, we're going to jump back in for the end

1669
01:24:49,000 --> 01:24:52,800
Speaker 2: of the original show.

1670
01:24:54,240 --> 01:24:57,040
Speaker 3: Oh wait, let's say something something good.

1671
01:24:57,520 --> 01:24:59,400
Speaker 1: Okay, you go first.

1672
01:24:59,520 --> 01:25:02,800
Speaker 2: Okay, well mine is really big, but I also can't

1673
01:25:02,920 --> 01:25:05,200
Speaker 2: super get into detail about it. But I'll just say this.

1674
01:25:06,240 --> 01:25:13,000
Speaker 2: I had a year, a probably three year problem get

1675
01:25:13,560 --> 01:25:19,320
Speaker 2: resolved on Friday afternoon that has caused me so much

1676
01:25:19,360 --> 01:25:24,360
Speaker 2: stress and panic and shame. And it's a financial thing

1677
01:25:24,439 --> 01:25:26,960
Speaker 2: that's boring in detail, but I will tell you this,

1678
01:25:27,640 --> 01:25:30,760
Speaker 2: if you're in a place where you are fucked financially

1679
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:34,479
Speaker 2: and you're worried and you're scared, it will end. And

1680
01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:37,280
Speaker 2: I swear to god, I've been in this place before,

1681
01:25:37,320 --> 01:25:39,479
Speaker 2: but this is like a way, way, way, bigger version.

1682
01:25:39,600 --> 01:25:44,880
Speaker 2: And it really felt hopeless at times, and it's over

1683
01:25:45,280 --> 01:25:47,439
Speaker 2: and like and part of the reason it's over is

1684
01:25:47,479 --> 01:25:52,160
Speaker 2: because of this podcast. And I'm so grateful that we

1685
01:25:52,200 --> 01:25:54,400
Speaker 2: are doing it and that we have it. It means

1686
01:25:54,400 --> 01:25:57,240
Speaker 2: the world to me, and I feel crazy lucky that

1687
01:25:57,320 --> 01:26:00,559
Speaker 2: we actually get to do this as a job, so fun,

1688
01:26:00,600 --> 01:26:04,120
Speaker 2: and also just the fact that now this truly it's

1689
01:26:04,160 --> 01:26:06,120
Speaker 2: like a five hundred pound weight has been taken off

1690
01:26:06,120 --> 01:26:06,760
Speaker 2: my shoulders.

1691
01:26:06,760 --> 01:26:07,439
Speaker 1: Happy for you.

1692
01:26:07,760 --> 01:26:09,360
Speaker 2: It's really quite nice.

1693
01:26:09,439 --> 01:26:12,280
Speaker 1: I had no idea how rough it was until it ended,

1694
01:26:12,360 --> 01:26:12,960
Speaker 1: and you told me.

1695
01:26:13,120 --> 01:26:15,439
Speaker 2: I know, I couldn't tell anybody about it. It was

1696
01:26:15,560 --> 01:26:20,200
Speaker 2: so silly. Please tell me I can handle fucked up shit? Well, yeah, no,

1697
01:26:20,400 --> 01:26:22,599
Speaker 2: I know, it's just that thing where I think it's

1698
01:26:22,640 --> 01:26:24,680
Speaker 2: like I think everybody has. It's some version of it

1699
01:26:24,720 --> 01:26:27,720
Speaker 2: where it's like the problem where you think it's this

1700
01:26:27,840 --> 01:26:31,040
Speaker 2: means some terrible thing about me around it, Yeah, or

1701
01:26:31,160 --> 01:26:33,920
Speaker 2: just like it's failure. It's it's I've failed, and now

1702
01:26:33,920 --> 01:26:37,240
Speaker 2: everyone's going to know I failed. Right, But guess what.

1703
01:26:37,400 --> 01:26:38,320
Speaker 3: Everybody fails.

1704
01:26:38,680 --> 01:26:41,599
Speaker 2: Everybody fails on all different levels every day and we're

1705
01:26:41,600 --> 01:26:43,760
Speaker 2: all trying to make ourselves feel better about it. So

1706
01:26:44,720 --> 01:26:47,599
Speaker 2: don't beat yourself up and just know the end there's

1707
01:26:47,680 --> 01:26:50,479
Speaker 2: always there's always a silver lining. There was always light

1708
01:26:50,520 --> 01:26:51,400
Speaker 2: at the end of the tunnel.

1709
01:26:51,479 --> 01:26:54,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. I had in the same kind of idea of

1710
01:26:54,880 --> 01:26:57,680
Speaker 1: that what you just said. I had after going to

1711
01:26:57,720 --> 01:27:02,040
Speaker 1: therapy since I was a child, like after like around five.

1712
01:27:02,200 --> 01:27:05,639
Speaker 1: I had the most amazing session today of I think

1713
01:27:05,720 --> 01:27:08,600
Speaker 1: ever and she said to me halfway through, I know

1714
01:27:08,680 --> 01:27:13,160
Speaker 1: you're an atheist, Georgia, but you worship at the altar

1715
01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:16,920
Speaker 1: of doubt and it fucking blew my mind. And so

1716
01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:19,679
Speaker 1: we're working on that now and how to get passed out.

1717
01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:25,080
Speaker 1: And it was this switch today that I'm so it

1718
01:27:25,120 --> 01:27:27,559
Speaker 1: made me hopeful for the first time in a long time.

1719
01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:30,600
Speaker 2: When I met you when we were at Jones.

1720
01:27:30,280 --> 01:27:31,840
Speaker 1: On Lard tonight today.

1721
01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:37,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, you absolutely seemed different. Really, Yes, well you had

1722
01:27:37,600 --> 01:27:39,519
Speaker 2: firstly the big smile because somebody who was telling you

1723
01:27:39,560 --> 01:27:42,120
Speaker 2: a story about murder. There was a murder story happening

1724
01:27:42,200 --> 01:27:44,800
Speaker 2: when I arrived. But then also, yeah, just that kind

1725
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:48,559
Speaker 2: of you had almost like the like almost the eyes

1726
01:27:48,600 --> 01:27:50,760
Speaker 2: of like wide eyed wonder kind of thing of like,

1727
01:27:50,840 --> 01:27:52,439
Speaker 2: oh my god, you can look at the world in

1728
01:27:52,479 --> 01:27:53,479
Speaker 2: a different way, it felt.

1729
01:27:53,680 --> 01:27:55,840
Speaker 1: And so because of that, I want to say, like,

1730
01:27:55,920 --> 01:27:58,439
Speaker 1: and I know it's so people try to find therapists

1731
01:27:58,439 --> 01:27:59,840
Speaker 1: and they're new at it and they're like this in

1732
01:27:59,880 --> 01:28:01,840
Speaker 1: a work for me, or I didn't like this person,

1733
01:28:02,360 --> 01:28:05,519
Speaker 1: and it just is a lifetime of it. And I've

1734
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Speaker 1: had so many fucking therapists in my life, and a

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01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:10,960
Speaker 1: handful have been really good. Yeah, and the one I have,

1736
01:28:11,080 --> 01:28:13,680
Speaker 1: luckily is right now, is amazing. And you just have

1737
01:28:13,760 --> 01:28:16,760
Speaker 1: to keep keep trying, keep trying, because you'll find you'll

1738
01:28:16,760 --> 01:28:17,920
Speaker 1: find it.

1739
01:28:17,920 --> 01:28:20,200
Speaker 2: It is almost a little bit like dating. It has

1740
01:28:20,240 --> 01:28:21,960
Speaker 2: to be a person that you want to spend that

1741
01:28:22,000 --> 01:28:23,880
Speaker 2: time with that you want to barf all your.

1742
01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:24,479
Speaker 3: Worst stuff onto.

1743
01:28:24,560 --> 01:28:27,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, that under that still doesn't make you feel bad now.

1744
01:28:27,760 --> 01:28:29,000
Speaker 2: They can't make you feel bad now.

1745
01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:31,439
Speaker 1: And this is the first time she's ever said something

1746
01:28:31,479 --> 01:28:33,559
Speaker 1: straight up to me like that, and I fucking appreciate

1747
01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:34,920
Speaker 1: it so much. And this is after a year of

1748
01:28:34,920 --> 01:28:37,759
Speaker 1: beginning to know me, and that was just life changing.

1749
01:28:38,040 --> 01:28:40,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good thing to realize and understand.

1750
01:28:40,960 --> 01:28:41,840
Speaker 3: There's options.

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01:28:41,960 --> 01:28:45,960
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and uh fuck man, I feel lucky too

1752
01:28:46,200 --> 01:28:49,320
Speaker 1: for this podcast. I can't believe this my life. I'm

1753
01:28:49,360 --> 01:28:50,760
Speaker 1: so we're pretty lucky.

1754
01:28:50,880 --> 01:28:51,320
Speaker 2: So lucky.

1755
01:28:51,960 --> 01:28:54,000
Speaker 1: Knock on levenear would.

1756
01:28:54,920 --> 01:28:57,800
Speaker 2: Thank you, Steven, Thanks for Stephen, Thank you so much

1757
01:28:57,840 --> 01:29:01,960
Speaker 2: for really bringing up together and making this podcast happen.

1758
01:29:02,120 --> 01:29:02,559
Speaker 2: Part of this.

1759
01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:06,080
Speaker 1: Thank you Stephen of the procast.

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01:29:07,040 --> 01:29:11,200
Speaker 2: Flushing Stephen, you can't be here if you can't take

1761
01:29:11,200 --> 01:29:11,880
Speaker 2: a compliment.

1762
01:29:12,600 --> 01:29:15,800
Speaker 1: I'm learning writing Stephen about not taking our case.

1763
01:29:15,840 --> 01:29:16,760
Speaker 3: It's better if I yell at you.

1764
01:29:16,840 --> 01:29:19,880
Speaker 2: Right feels like home.

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01:29:24,080 --> 01:29:25,320
Speaker 1: Hey we are.

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01:29:25,280 --> 01:29:30,360
Speaker 2: Back, man, me talking real time about getting out of

1767
01:29:30,680 --> 01:29:34,360
Speaker 2: basically foreclosure on my house is what I was talking

1768
01:29:34,360 --> 01:29:35,040
Speaker 2: about right there.

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01:29:35,200 --> 01:29:37,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember that. I remember like the load that

1770
01:29:37,600 --> 01:29:39,080
Speaker 1: was lifted from your shoulders.

1771
01:29:39,840 --> 01:29:43,880
Speaker 2: I mean, dude, I painted myself into the corneriest corner

1772
01:29:43,920 --> 01:29:45,639
Speaker 2: of all time that I was like, well, I've really

1773
01:29:45,640 --> 01:29:46,360
Speaker 2: done it this time.

1774
01:29:46,479 --> 01:29:47,320
Speaker 3: There's just no way.

1775
01:29:47,360 --> 01:29:49,000
Speaker 1: And you were wrong. There was a way.

1776
01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:52,599
Speaker 2: I was so happily wrong. I'll never forget calling you

1777
01:29:52,640 --> 01:29:55,960
Speaker 2: on the phone and being like, Hey, how much merch

1778
01:29:56,040 --> 01:29:58,200
Speaker 2: money can I have? And you were like you can

1779
01:29:58,240 --> 01:29:59,760
Speaker 2: have all the way up to this number. And I

1780
01:29:59,800 --> 01:30:01,559
Speaker 2: was like, can I have all of that today? And

1781
01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:03,480
Speaker 2: You're like absolutely absolutely.

1782
01:30:03,520 --> 01:30:04,719
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about taxes.

1783
01:30:04,760 --> 01:30:07,439
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna just who knows. Let me wire this

1784
01:30:07,479 --> 01:30:10,880
Speaker 2: to you quickly. I mean, truly, it was. It was

1785
01:30:11,720 --> 01:30:13,560
Speaker 2: this podcast truly saved me.

1786
01:30:14,240 --> 01:30:16,160
Speaker 1: I'm sure me too. In so many ways. I do

1787
01:30:16,280 --> 01:30:19,840
Speaker 1: get sad looking at my happy thing because in a

1788
01:30:19,880 --> 01:30:24,400
Speaker 1: few episodes it's gonna turn into a sad thing. My therapist.

1789
01:30:24,479 --> 01:30:27,720
Speaker 1: Oh god, Oh I just keep thinking about like when

1790
01:30:27,720 --> 01:30:31,040
Speaker 1: we move into the loft, the pod loft, it's coming,

1791
01:30:32,439 --> 01:30:35,559
Speaker 1: ye know, my therapist taking her life, and so seeing that,

1792
01:30:35,680 --> 01:30:38,519
Speaker 1: I just wish I could. I wish she knew that,

1793
01:30:38,640 --> 01:30:41,639
Speaker 1: you know. I just like, I'm very aware that's coming

1794
01:30:41,720 --> 01:30:42,120
Speaker 1: up soon.

1795
01:30:42,840 --> 01:30:47,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, horrible and such a that was so shocking.

1796
01:30:47,680 --> 01:30:50,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's coming up. It's tough.

1797
01:30:50,080 --> 01:30:53,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, yeah, that was rough. There's more to

1798
01:30:53,840 --> 01:30:54,280
Speaker 3: talk about.

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01:30:56,640 --> 01:31:00,320
Speaker 1: I mean I ended up meeting her niece at a

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01:31:00,360 --> 01:31:05,440
Speaker 1: live show because of the podcast and her mother, and yeah,

1801
01:31:05,479 --> 01:31:08,680
Speaker 1: just there were pieces of joy that came from it

1802
01:31:09,120 --> 01:31:12,280
Speaker 1: from a very sad thing, so very sad. We'll get there.

1803
01:31:12,479 --> 01:31:16,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we'll do the titles. Now, this is the

1804
01:31:16,920 --> 01:31:22,120
Speaker 2: most ungraceful transition, but I'll just say, we're gonna go

1805
01:31:22,160 --> 01:31:25,839
Speaker 2: ahead and do the titles now. Yeah, we originally entitled

1806
01:31:25,840 --> 01:31:26,559
Speaker 2: this some Quiet So.

1807
01:31:26,760 --> 01:31:28,679
Speaker 1: Which is so good. If we were naming it today,

1808
01:31:29,320 --> 01:31:31,479
Speaker 1: maybe we would call it it could be.

1809
01:31:33,000 --> 01:31:35,280
Speaker 2: We could name it Andy Fish, who is the lead

1810
01:31:35,360 --> 01:31:38,040
Speaker 2: character in our hit British cop show Fish and.

1811
01:31:38,080 --> 01:31:46,040
Speaker 1: Chipsy Fish Fish and Chips podcasts, or just undermounded. Yes,

1812
01:31:46,800 --> 01:31:49,400
Speaker 1: undermounded does sound like it. Yeah, I'm standing by it.

1813
01:31:49,520 --> 01:31:51,439
Speaker 2: Yeah you should. I do, and there's no reason not to.

1814
01:31:51,560 --> 01:31:53,920
Speaker 2: That's what the beauty of this podcast. We were like,

1815
01:31:53,960 --> 01:31:56,759
Speaker 2: if we record ourselves for two hours, how many mistakes

1816
01:31:56,760 --> 01:31:58,719
Speaker 2: can we make? And we're like, let's beat that every

1817
01:31:58,760 --> 01:32:01,360
Speaker 2: week one point fifty two hundred, three hundred.

1818
01:32:01,400 --> 01:32:04,160
Speaker 1: We got this. We got to get to five thousand.

1819
01:32:04,760 --> 01:32:07,600
Speaker 1: That's it. Speaking of that's it. We're gonna let ourselves

1820
01:32:07,640 --> 01:32:10,000
Speaker 1: back then, and Elvis say goodbye for.

1821
01:32:10,040 --> 01:32:13,200
Speaker 2: Us, that's right. But in the meantime, thank you, guys.

1822
01:32:16,640 --> 01:32:22,880
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, you guys, and listening and.

1823
01:32:21,200 --> 01:32:25,280
Speaker 2: And participating and guess what what he knows already. I

1824
01:32:25,280 --> 01:32:28,880
Speaker 2: know you're jumping your line, Elvis, stay sexy.

1825
01:32:28,600 --> 01:32:32,920
Speaker 1: And don't get murdered. Elvis, you want a cookie.

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01:32:34,360 --> 01:32:35,880
Speaker 2: Bye,