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Speaker 1: your hosts, Nate Newton, Kurt Daniels, Jesse Holly, and Shannon
Speaker 1: Gross Welcome to the s WBC Mortgage Living Room at Frisco, Texas.
Speaker 1: That Thursday, one day, Cowboys football the sun. Let's go
Speaker 1: back at home for a three game home stretch. Hopefully
Speaker 1: they take care of business and they'll be back with
Speaker 1: a winning record. Kurt Daniels, Nate News, Jesse Holly, Nate,
Speaker 1: hold up your hold up your right arm. I got
Speaker 1: swag they gave me my wife said. My wife said,
Speaker 1: thank you. Shadow. She she didn't fix me in the
Speaker 1: lunch though, sayce. She tried to come at her. You
Speaker 1: look good. That's a good color, man, that's a good
Speaker 1: color of that blue. I like it. Yeah, it goes
Speaker 1: it all, Blizzy. Just turn out the light. Boy, you
Speaker 1: get what you design. Okay, Jesse, how you feeling the
Speaker 1: day I got on the day. I'm standing on the porch,
Speaker 1: I'm standing on the porch after that one. I don't
Speaker 1: want to come inside with the lights out. I don't
Speaker 1: want to deal with none of that. I'm standing outside
Speaker 1: on the porch. I'm standing on the porch. Keep the
Speaker 1: lights yeah, when we caught the dark, Yeah, keep the
Speaker 1: lights on and keep me on the porch. I don't
Speaker 1: want no parts of that one. Kurt, how you buddy
Speaker 1: good good doing, real good man? Ready for the game?
Speaker 1: Feeling nice? All right? It's Thursday, so that can only
Speaker 1: mean one thing. We say, we're on the air, so
Speaker 1: they haven't pulled us off yet, and it means because
Speaker 1: we're on the air, we will be talking Cowboys defense,
Speaker 1: Brown's offense. So let's get into it. For the first
Speaker 1: time this year. The Cowboys are gonna face a run
Speaker 1: dominant offense, and they face some passing offenses. You know,
Speaker 1: you could you could debate whether the Rams, you know,
Speaker 1: or kind of half pass half half run, but they're
Speaker 1: really pass heavy. Uh Atlanta obviously pass heavy, and then
Speaker 1: uh Seattle has become got a good run game, but
Speaker 1: has become pass heavy with Russell Wilson. So but this team,
Speaker 1: I think we've got all agree that they are going
Speaker 1: to you know what, you're getting. They're gonna run the
Speaker 1: ball down your throat. You're gonna get a stout defensive
Speaker 1: line that they're gonna try to dominate there. So how
Speaker 1: does that change? Jesse and Nate go to you, you
Speaker 1: guys first, How does that change your your game plan?
Speaker 1: Does it change your mentality as a player going into
Speaker 1: this week knowing that you're facing a completely different type
Speaker 1: of offense than you face this year? Yeah, you understand
Speaker 1: early on that you have to be in a different mindset,
Speaker 1: like you gotta be. You gotta fixate your mind on
Speaker 1: being like man, I gotta prepare myself for four quarters
Speaker 1: of Nick Chubb and Carlos I mean, and Kareem Hunt
Speaker 1: and them Joker's coming downhill every single time the Browns
Speaker 1: have have done a better job with with with putting
Speaker 1: together an offensive line and those two backs. Man, those
Speaker 1: two backs. You're talking about a one two punch. It
Speaker 1: ain't like thundering and lightning. It's like thundering and thundering.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's it's constantly coming at you. You're gonna
Speaker 1: see a bunch of twenty one personnel, a bunch of
Speaker 1: twelve personnel. They're not gonna get tall, this freaky three,
Speaker 1: four or five wide receiver stuff. They're gonna be two
Speaker 1: tight end sets. They're gonna be in there, and they're
Speaker 1: gonna just try to come at you and maul you
Speaker 1: and little bro you and just physically eat you up
Speaker 1: at the line of scrimmage and allow those back seat.
Speaker 1: Stefanski has figured out the way that we give ourselves
Speaker 1: a chance to win is to not put the ball
Speaker 1: in Baker's Mayfield hands a bunch of times, because he
Speaker 1: understands that Baker Mayfield will will will will will wreck
Speaker 1: a game for you. He will throw it where it's
Speaker 1: not even even in the small attempt that he does
Speaker 1: get he he can he can wreck it for you.
Speaker 1: So Sefanski wants to be like I would to slow
Speaker 1: this game down. I don't. I don't care about it
Speaker 1: being up tempo, I don't care about it being high scoring.
Speaker 1: But I Am going to run the football, eat up
Speaker 1: some clock and deliver a body blow after body blow
Speaker 1: after body blow. So when you watch that on film,
Speaker 1: you gotta get your mind right because it's coming. Huh,
Speaker 1: I'm black, They're gonna run at you, Jeff, I could
Speaker 1: have said it no better, baby, he boys is coming
Speaker 1: down hill. They're gonna have two tight ends. They got
Speaker 1: Bill Callahan is their officsive line coach, so you know
Speaker 1: they come on every run on the man. I don't
Speaker 1: agree necessarily that Baker Mayfield will wreck the game, but
Speaker 1: I think that he would mature with this coach and
Speaker 1: become a better game manager, because the best game managers
Speaker 1: seemed to win Super Bowls. I love Tom Brady and
Speaker 1: a few others. So they're gonna have They're gonna try
Speaker 1: to control Clark. They're gonna try to beat you up
Speaker 1: with that offensive line with those two great running backs.
Speaker 1: And I call him great within Mike President. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying great in the future. It saying great knowledge in President.
Speaker 1: And so now, uh, the guy names that I've been
Speaker 1: misquoting and mispronouncing done, Terry. Tell you what, my brother, Yeah,
Speaker 1: get you a couple of extra Bakers sandwiches with some
Speaker 1: cheese on it, and set yourself in the middle of
Speaker 1: officsive line and tackle some folks. Though, because you have
Speaker 1: to run this way a long way, this way a
Speaker 1: long way, they come and right at you, my friend.
Speaker 1: So do what you gotta do, my friend, Antoine Woods,
Speaker 1: you pick up the pace last we keep it up,
Speaker 1: my friend, Tyrone Crawford. Come on, my friend, make this
Speaker 1: game an ugly game and we will be back to
Speaker 1: what we can do offensively too. If our guys slow
Speaker 1: down there, guys and keep the game close, then we
Speaker 1: don't have to ask Dak to throw fifty seven times.
Speaker 1: Do they have both those guys on the field at
Speaker 1: the same time much or do they rotate them in
Speaker 1: I haven't seen I've seen the rotation and but yeah,
Speaker 1: but they will throw that thing out of the backfield
Speaker 1: to these two guys. They what they are trying to
Speaker 1: build here, man is if and I and you see
Speaker 1: what they're trying to do. Jess if they can play
Speaker 1: another two three games, beat you to death with these
Speaker 1: two hammers, and all of a sudden the play action pass. Man.
Speaker 1: Don't forget man, don't forget this dude out the old
Speaker 1: Odell Beckham is still a killer man. He just ain't
Speaker 1: got the quarterback that wants him to have them killers
Speaker 1: receiving yards. Bro Jarvis Mannry is one of the better
Speaker 1: guys intermediate running rock. Don't forget those guys out there.
Speaker 1: They got a guy called Austin Hooper on Black and
Speaker 1: I'm blue and they're gonna beat and run on you.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I love it. Jesse, go ahead on Jesse.
Speaker 1: Nate's absolutely right. Many offensively, Austin Hooper, Um, you got
Speaker 1: the other tight end, and Joe Yeah. I mean he's athletic.
Speaker 1: So you're looking at a squad that Nick Chubb like,
Speaker 1: he doesn't get enough credit, but he is so big
Speaker 1: and strong and physical and fast like. Nick Chubb is
Speaker 1: probably one of the better backs that we have in
Speaker 1: this league right now. And he has a skill set
Speaker 1: Liam Nilsen style. He has a very particular set of
Speaker 1: skills that he's acquired over some time. And if he
Speaker 1: gets going downhill, guys are gonna have to start making
Speaker 1: some business decisions because when you get into that third
Speaker 1: or fourth quarter and he starts coming downhill on you,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know if guys will be committed
Speaker 1: enough to tackle him over and over and over and
Speaker 1: over again, because you're going to have to. You're going
Speaker 1: to have to tackle Nick Chubb and Kareem Hunt a
Speaker 1: lot this football game. And I think the biggest thing
Speaker 1: for Nick Chubb when it comes to running back, he
Speaker 1: is such a patient runner. Oh yes, he is not
Speaker 1: like he is not in a rush. He sees holes
Speaker 1: really well. He has the explosiveness that when that hole
Speaker 1: opens up, he hits it. And like I said, he's
Speaker 1: bringing his padge behind him. And very few times when
Speaker 1: you watch Nick Chubb do you see him getting hit
Speaker 1: and going the opposite way. He gets hit and he's
Speaker 1: falling forward. He runs with his pads behind him. He's
Speaker 1: a patient runner, he's explosive, he's strong, he has great
Speaker 1: vision for back. So you're gonna have to be sound
Speaker 1: man this. This defense is going to have to be
Speaker 1: extremely sound, getting off blocks, fitting in gaps, and when
Speaker 1: you come you gotta bring your lunch pale and hard hat,
Speaker 1: because won't you want you're not arm tackling these guys.
Speaker 1: If you think you're gonna just reach out there and
Speaker 1: he's gonna be able to trip these guys up and
Speaker 1: arm tackling them, you're in for a long day. You
Speaker 1: got to bring all of you to come in and
Speaker 1: tackle these guys. And and Sefanski and and and and
Speaker 1: that offensive crew. They are going to try to run
Speaker 1: the football. That's what they want to do. Often they
Speaker 1: are they are either first or second in the league
Speaker 1: with running the ball on first down rushing attempts. It's
Speaker 1: not a secret. They're not They're not. They're not saying, oh,
Speaker 1: we're gonna try. No, there's it's no secret in what
Speaker 1: they want to do. They are very clear what they
Speaker 1: want to do. We want to get in twelve personnel,
Speaker 1: we want to get in twenty one personnel, and we
Speaker 1: want to come When you say Nate Black and Blue
Speaker 1: were running that too, that's what they want to do. Yes, Well,
Speaker 1: I was just surprised, you know, I thought Chubb was
Speaker 1: kind of this power back. But he leads a league
Speaker 1: and runs of twenty plus yards for surprising me. He's
Speaker 1: got five zeke as zero, So I don't is he
Speaker 1: just running through people and just maulling secondary or is
Speaker 1: he got some sounds like he might must have some
Speaker 1: speed to him too. Huh. He hits that hole, He
Speaker 1: hits that hole, and he gets downhill. He got some
Speaker 1: giddea up on him. What I'm saying, he's one of
Speaker 1: the backs that most people don't talk about. He's big,
Speaker 1: he's physical, and he has some guide up. Let me
Speaker 1: say this, man, it no one is talking about this,
Speaker 1: like no one is talking about Nisch. Nobody is talking
Speaker 1: about the offensive line of Cleveland. Brother Bill Callahan. We
Speaker 1: know that name here at the Dallas Cowboys. When he
Speaker 1: went to Washington, he did the same thing for Washington
Speaker 1: offensive line. Notice when he's with a team and their
Speaker 1: offensive line are noticed, he gets better and stays good
Speaker 1: as long as he's there. As soon as he leaves,
Speaker 1: the lines start to kind of get rough around the edges.
Speaker 1: He's there in Cleveland, bro, and he don't care whether
Speaker 1: he's got backups are starters. These guys are gonna lay
Speaker 1: on you. They're gonna be physical. They may not have
Speaker 1: all the best talent in the world, they're gonna know
Speaker 1: their assignments and what they have to do. And Nick
Speaker 1: Chubb is crafty enough to lead into the into the
Speaker 1: play side and get outmost out of every block and
Speaker 1: then he explodes. I mean you are to see him
Speaker 1: on some of the inside run, the short yardst runs,
Speaker 1: and the red zone runs down to go like you
Speaker 1: at to see how he used to be running. All
Speaker 1: of a sudden, he will stop and nudge forward. He
Speaker 1: just got to feel for the game, man, and he
Speaker 1: got in the right coaching Bill Callahan running that offensive line,
Speaker 1: they've got a top five offensive line and Pro Football
Speaker 1: Focus has they're both guards and their center all rated
Speaker 1: in the top five two d They're kind of scary.
Speaker 1: They got what They're kind of scary. Now, I ain't
Speaker 1: even talking about no guards and centers. For the last
Speaker 1: three or four weeks, havn't I've been saying I'm gonna
Speaker 1: put a jess And now have I not said repeatedly, Hey,
Speaker 1: my friend, it starts. If you have a strong middle
Speaker 1: in football, you have an opportunity to be something special,
Speaker 1: And so I'm not surprised. Kurt. Thanks for the information,
Speaker 1: Like I used it as as a needed but that's
Speaker 1: great information. Thanks Kurt. Nice. One thing I think that
Speaker 1: gets lost in translation. When you're a fan of the
Speaker 1: game and you watch the game and it's probably you know,
Speaker 1: it's probably part of the video game generation where there's
Speaker 1: no fatigue and there's no you don't realize like you
Speaker 1: think these athletes are. Yes, they're super highly conditioned, Yes
Speaker 1: they do this for a living, Yes they train their bodies.
Speaker 1: But I don't think you under a lot of times
Speaker 1: you don't remember, you don't realize the physical part of
Speaker 1: this game when you're watching on TV because you don't
Speaker 1: it doesn't translate right. You don't realize the third and
Speaker 1: fourth quarter that people, these athletes do get tired. These
Speaker 1: athletes do get beat and bruised up. Like you said, Nate,
Speaker 1: these athletes do wear down, and you don't necessarily unless
Speaker 1: you know what you're looking at. You can't really tell
Speaker 1: in the game. You just think, man, that guy, he's
Speaker 1: not getting to the quarterback. That guy's not getting to
Speaker 1: the right point where he's supposed to be. A lot
Speaker 1: of that has to do with the wear and tear
Speaker 1: of you over the course of a game. And then
Speaker 1: when you're up against a running team like this, it's
Speaker 1: even more so. Like you guys said, they're leaning on you,
Speaker 1: they're pushing on you, they're man handling. You're getting hit
Speaker 1: by you know, a small car every play. They're running
Speaker 1: into you. When the running game, what is the physical
Speaker 1: toll like in the fourth quarter of a game when
Speaker 1: you face a run heavy team with a really good
Speaker 1: offensive line, as opposed to a game where you're just
Speaker 1: you know, it's a past happy offense and you're just
Speaker 1: pinning your ears back and you're running straightforward most of
Speaker 1: the game. I'm gonna tell you something, man, I've seen
Speaker 1: guys at the beginning of the games talking nois I
Speaker 1: do this your mama, Dad and doodoodoos and dad. I mean,
Speaker 1: they'd be at you, bro and you and we leaning
Speaker 1: on them and were leaning them from my moms were
Speaker 1: leaning on you, and we just let you talk. And
Speaker 1: at the end of the game, nine times out of
Speaker 1: ten the only person that I'm talking is Eric Williams,
Speaker 1: and he said, where are you now, my friend? He
Speaker 1: ain't saying this nice to me. Where are you now?
Speaker 1: M l how about my mama? Now? You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. We'd be leaning on you. It takes all
Speaker 1: the hour out of the defense. The safetist who has
Speaker 1: not talked to us the whole game is cussing out
Speaker 1: their defensive. I am tired of making tackles. Can't you
Speaker 1: do something up front? I'm serious the whole game. Yes,
Speaker 1: you've been up, you've seen it. It turns into they
Speaker 1: turned on each other when you beating the defense. Now
Speaker 1: they would turn they would turn on each other. Hi
Speaker 1: per runners of perrunners into the blood get bloody, for
Speaker 1: runners know who to bight on. The runners know who
Speaker 1: to bight on. But when you get bloody, they go
Speaker 1: to eating up everybody, and that's how you do a defense.
Speaker 1: Just bloody of them up and they're going to turn
Speaker 1: it on the everybody. Baby, let's take that first break.
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the s WBC Mortgage living room here
Speaker 1: in Frisco, Texas. Shanna Gross, Jesse, Holly, Kurt Daniels, Nate Newton,
Speaker 1: and we are collectively hanging with the boys breaking down
Speaker 1: the Cowboys and Browns and Nate, why are you laughing?
Speaker 1: What are you laughing at? Coming out of because I'm
Speaker 1: quite sure me and the rest of the group is
Speaker 1: the whinny shanagou try to bring in his You're not
Speaker 1: trying to what? I didn't even hear you. Kurt was
Speaker 1: laughing too loud. What did you say to me trying
Speaker 1: to bring in what we worry about? It? We heard
Speaker 1: it continue on the show. I got a question for you.
Speaker 1: Everybody can throw it out there. I love when you
Speaker 1: have questions. Makes my job easier. So we know that
Speaker 1: Seattle's game plan was to sell out to stop the run.
Speaker 1: Obviously it seemed like you'd want to do that here.
Speaker 1: Did the Cowboys have the personnel to set out to
Speaker 1: sell out to stop the run? That's silence, pretty good
Speaker 1: answer there kind of answered it for us. I guess
Speaker 1: have we stopped the team that truly has tried to run?
Speaker 1: I mean we'll see this week. I mean, we saw
Speaker 1: the DRAMs came in and did not. If we're picking,
Speaker 1: If we're picking this week as the week that all
Speaker 1: of a sudden we're gonna try to stop the run,
Speaker 1: it's a bad damn week to pick. I'm telling you
Speaker 1: right now, this is a bad damn week to pick.
Speaker 1: If this is the you decide to sell out to
Speaker 1: stop the run, this is bad. You should have started
Speaker 1: that weeks ago, because this is gonna be this is
Speaker 1: this is gonna be one of those tasks where the
Speaker 1: thing do we have the personnel? Is the question that
Speaker 1: you asked Kurt, and I don't know, I honestly and
Speaker 1: that if the answer is I don't know, then it's
Speaker 1: probably no. If I can't give you a definitive yes
Speaker 1: we have the personnel, then the answer is no. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's fact. When that's fact, when you get up in
Speaker 1: the morning to go to work, Jesse, and you're look
Speaker 1: in the mirror and you go, all right, should I
Speaker 1: wear this to the office. If you have to ask
Speaker 1: that question, the answer is probably shine times out of ten.
Speaker 1: He like you say, nice, not nice, that's not nice. No,
Speaker 1: we don't, we don't, we don't have. We don't have
Speaker 1: the personnel. We're gonna have to commit. We're gonna have
Speaker 1: to commit, and that's gonna be the scary part. We're
Speaker 1: gonna have to commit some secondary personnel into that box
Speaker 1: to stop that run, which then leaves us very vulnerable
Speaker 1: on the back side. Who do we have? Who do
Speaker 1: we have Jesse that that we can move down into
Speaker 1: the box? Who plays that? Do we have anybody on
Speaker 1: this team that plays that? Well? Woods? Woods would be
Speaker 1: your best guy. Yeah, Woods and that I but Jesse,
Speaker 1: he ain't He ain't listen him by him alone ain't
Speaker 1: gonna be enough. Don Terry, Don Terry Terry. That's why
Speaker 1: we brought him in. I'm pronouncing that right now, right.
Speaker 1: We brought this guy in here to stop that. And
Speaker 1: this is his week, you know, much like Belichick does,
Speaker 1: much like the better teams the leader. Okay, we're not
Speaker 1: going to ask you to do nothing that you're not
Speaker 1: capable of doing. This is why they signed done Terry Pole.
Speaker 1: This is why the Tritian Hills of the world, This
Speaker 1: is why the Antoine wo Was of the world have
Speaker 1: a position in football. This is what and so if
Speaker 1: do we have a personnel on paper yes, we do.
Speaker 1: Have they done it up to this point, No, they haven't.
Speaker 1: Does it does it make it any easier this week?
Speaker 1: Because you've had problems with the run when there's been
Speaker 1: play action and there's been misdirection and things like that
Speaker 1: all out the rams. You know, in the playoffs a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, that's where you've had your biggest problems.
Speaker 1: Does it make it any easier knowing, Okay, this is
Speaker 1: what this team is going to do. Does it make
Speaker 1: it easier to game plan against that? Or is it
Speaker 1: just like, ok, can't stop the run. You can't stop
Speaker 1: the run if you're if you're on disciplined, it won't
Speaker 1: matter right because you can know what's coming, or you
Speaker 1: can have an idea that it's coming. But if you
Speaker 1: ain't what you're supposed to be that somebody's open, there's
Speaker 1: an area open, as a man open, there's something open.
Speaker 1: So a lot of times you can know what's you know.
Speaker 1: I'm going to assume that the guys that go out
Speaker 1: there offensively defensively a special teams, I'm going to assume
Speaker 1: right that they know what the game plan is, what
Speaker 1: does other team likes to do? I would hope that's
Speaker 1: My hope is that they do, and yet still they
Speaker 1: come into the game and things don't always work out
Speaker 1: the way that you wanted to work out, even though
Speaker 1: you know what they want to do. So that same
Speaker 1: thing applies for what we're getting ready to see right
Speaker 1: here with the Cleveland Browns, Nate were saying, no, what see?
Speaker 1: This is what amazes me. A lot of guys on
Speaker 1: a lot of teams normally, you know me, Jazz Kurt
Speaker 1: does a great job with pro football focus on other outlets.
Speaker 1: We sit up here and we tell you about guys
Speaker 1: weekend and week out, and we do number and analytics
Speaker 1: and all of this great stuff. And then when we
Speaker 1: played these certain teams, we're like, man, I never heard
Speaker 1: of that guy. Well, nobody else either has heard of them.
Speaker 1: And when they needed other times, they still heard of them.
Speaker 1: Then when you come into Dallas, I'm just being honest.
Speaker 1: I've been hard on our team this whole week. You know,
Speaker 1: every show that I've been a part of, I've been
Speaker 1: challenging the players. We had these same players last year.
Speaker 1: You know we got yeah, we got we got cde Lamb,
Speaker 1: we got Digs, we we got done Terry Port. But
Speaker 1: the other guys have been here, So I was I
Speaker 1: was looking at that as far as our defense, and
Speaker 1: we've talked a lot about miscommunication, and they're not. You know,
Speaker 1: is it just they're still learning that kind of stuff
Speaker 1: or no last year or this year. We've got fourteen
Speaker 1: players that have played forty five percent of the snaps
Speaker 1: so far this season. Only five of that group played
Speaker 1: forty five percent of the snaps last year. That you know,
Speaker 1: You've got Jalen Smith's back, Xavier Woods, DeMarcus Lawrence Swes
Speaker 1: is hurt now and uh and Jordan Lewis who you
Speaker 1: know he was not He was not a starter last year.
Speaker 1: So most of the defense is new, and you've got
Speaker 1: a new you got a new coordinator, you got a
Speaker 1: new head coach. I mean, are we just expecting too much?
Speaker 1: I mean? Should do they still any more time to jail?
Speaker 1: They would get better at understanding the coaches, termine knowledgy
Speaker 1: and what to do. But Jesse, I'm asking for your
Speaker 1: knowledge here. Will you played four cross quarters? Okay? You
Speaker 1: basically by yourself right yep? In your quarter of the
Speaker 1: field yep. Okay, your quarter to field okay, if you
Speaker 1: study the film, if I got if I got Metcalf.
Speaker 1: Let's go back to the lasting. If I got Metcalf
Speaker 1: and I'm on him in this first and ten, third,
Speaker 1: third and fifteen, do I press him? Do I move
Speaker 1: back and give myself a chance? What does that guy
Speaker 1: to do with the coach? If I know that Locke
Speaker 1: is an intermediate route runner, I'm not staring in the backfield.
Speaker 1: If it's third and five, I'm looking at him because
Speaker 1: when I'm looking in the backfield, one move and he
Speaker 1: catches them out. What does that have to do with
Speaker 1: a ski when you know as a player that scheme
Speaker 1: don't matter here. It's what I can do mentally and
Speaker 1: physically that matters the most. And also the three guys
Speaker 1: that also the three guys that you name, Woods, Smith,
Speaker 1: and Lawrence. Each one of those guys are quote unquote
Speaker 1: the signal callers for their specific groups, right. Lawrence is
Speaker 1: those guys up front, Jana Smith, he's calling the defense, Yes,
Speaker 1: call them things in the middle. And then Woods on
Speaker 1: the back end, he's supposed to be getting guys lined
Speaker 1: up if there's any changes of shifts anything like that.
Speaker 1: He's the He's the veteran guy back there for this
Speaker 1: squad to get guys lined up. The three guys that
Speaker 1: you named are three guys that each one of them
Speaker 1: are kind of the is the mouthpiece for that group, right,
Speaker 1: you know, you see what I'm saying it. So it's
Speaker 1: like if these are the guys who are supposed to
Speaker 1: be getting as lined up and ready to go. That
Speaker 1: goes back to what I was saying before about that
Speaker 1: that residue still being still being left over from from prior,
Speaker 1: from prior coaches like that first you first, go ahead, channing, No,
Speaker 1: I was gonna change the subject to go ahead, finish up.
Speaker 1: Oh well, just like that first touchdown Lockett had last
Speaker 1: week that he's wide open, way behind everybody. You know,
Speaker 1: I think Metcalf was underneath and Woods came up. He
Speaker 1: was looking at Metcalf, you know, was he thinking Thompson
Speaker 1: was taking the guy going deep then? And to me,
Speaker 1: that's a communication thing. Both guys were kind of on
Speaker 1: woodside of the field. He chose the wrong one obviously,
Speaker 1: but he think Thompson was taking the other guy. Well,
Speaker 1: and I'm not and I'm not saying everybody is Ken Norton,
Speaker 1: and I'm not saying that everybody is Paup or Dion
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that that's different level of players because
Speaker 1: these guys are coaches in Hall of famers. Well, what
Speaker 1: I am saying is you think this is the first
Speaker 1: time that they saw these motions and movements on film
Speaker 1: versus That's why you have meetings, you know, where you say, hey, coach, okay,
Speaker 1: what if this guy you gotta you gotta look at
Speaker 1: film for yourself and you gotta say, what if this
Speaker 1: guy motions across or what this guy curls in front
Speaker 1: of me? What do we do? Then you have to
Speaker 1: ask these questions. Yeah, I mean, because it's just like
Speaker 1: a quarterback after about five or six years and you're
Speaker 1: taking the majority of the stop snaps, maybe the termine
Speaker 1: knowledges of how the coaches want you to line up.
Speaker 1: Maybe the names are different. Hey, instead of calling the quarters,
Speaker 1: we're gonna call it the fall megos. But that mean
Speaker 1: that each one of y'all got quarters and you got
Speaker 1: a guy. We may not call it to cover two.
Speaker 1: We may call it deep cover too, but it's the same.
Speaker 1: Thank get in there and do your job. It's part
Speaker 1: of that too. We're gonna do our job. And I'm
Speaker 1: gonna cut Kurt off because I'm doing my job and
Speaker 1: we're gonna go to our last break. When we come back,
Speaker 1: Kurt hold that thought. We'll let you finish it, but
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Speaker 1: of a podcast like I just did. All right, fellas, Now, Kurt,
Speaker 1: go ahead and finish what you were saying before we
Speaker 1: before we move on, before the break, well we had
Speaker 1: we had just been. We talked a little bit in
Speaker 1: the break about how some of these guys like at
Speaker 1: Joe Thomas, like Darian Thompson. You know last year there
Speaker 1: were reserves. Um Thomas is already um played almost as
Speaker 1: many defensive snaps this year as he did all of
Speaker 1: last year. And it's just you know, are we seeing
Speaker 1: some of these guys maybe get overexposed or or is
Speaker 1: that is that an issue in some of the communication
Speaker 1: and defensive problems they've had. Yeah, it's the NFL. Go
Speaker 1: ahead on Jesse, It's not what you're going through right now, Kurt.
Speaker 1: It's called the NFL. So a lot of teams getting exposed.
Speaker 1: But you know what that is why, that is why
Speaker 1: you have coaches and scouts to go out and get
Speaker 1: guys that can get close. They would not be your starters,
Speaker 1: but close or to dropped off won't be as that's
Speaker 1: where your scouting department comes in. And this is why
Speaker 1: you hear Mike McCarthy say, I want I want to
Speaker 1: be with my guys. I want my guys. I want
Speaker 1: my guys, because you understand that as the more reps
Speaker 1: you get, the better you become, the more I'm able
Speaker 1: to evaluate you in totality as a player. And so
Speaker 1: now the more reps you get, and again when you
Speaker 1: go from either being a rookie or a guy who
Speaker 1: hasn't played many snaps and now getting all of the snaps. See,
Speaker 1: it's easy when you come in and you only got
Speaker 1: to play you know, fifteen out of seventy snaps, right,
Speaker 1: the possibility of you messing up isn't that great. But
Speaker 1: when you get the whole kit and kibbuda, when you
Speaker 1: got to play the whole seventy, now there's different things
Speaker 1: that you may see or you might have been just like, hey,
Speaker 1: you're a third down rush guy. When you get in
Speaker 1: the game, all I'm doing is lining you up, going
Speaker 1: to rush, no problem. But you're seeing now some of
Speaker 1: the repetition that that has to happen. You're seeing some
Speaker 1: of the mistakes that happened from a guy who went
Speaker 1: from having barely having some reps to now getting all
Speaker 1: the reps. And those are the growing paints. Those are
Speaker 1: the growing paints. And this is why I think you here,
Speaker 1: Mike constantly say, give me some more time with my guys.
Speaker 1: Lets let us coach these guys, let us bring me
Speaker 1: guys along. It ain't always pretty, it ain't always pretty,
Speaker 1: but it's a part of the process. We're just so
Speaker 1: having to happen to see the process happen in real
Speaker 1: lifetime because these guys have been thrust it into those
Speaker 1: positions and we according to Twitter, Kareem Hunt did not
Speaker 1: practice today, so it is Thursday. I'm just staying God,
Speaker 1: you got two number one, you got two number one back.
Speaker 1: We need for both of them not to be practicing.
Speaker 1: They have their rushing yards by game highest rusher the
Speaker 1: loss to Baltimore, cream Hunt was the highest rusher with
Speaker 1: seventy two yards, and then the win versus Cincinnati, Chub
Speaker 1: had one hundred and twenty four yards, and then the
Speaker 1: win versus Washington, Chubb had one hundred and eight yards.
Speaker 1: So obviously we've been talking about the run game almost
Speaker 1: the entire show. They got a guy that's that's had
Speaker 1: some pretty good success against the Cowboys. He actually made
Speaker 1: the Madden cover against the Dallas Cowboys several years ago.
Speaker 1: You got Odell Beckham Junior, and you got Jarvis Landry,
Speaker 1: a couple of LSU guys that still have some wheels.
Speaker 1: They're not quite as I guess dominant as they once were,
Speaker 1: but still a formidable force. Baker Mayfield's you know, yards
Speaker 1: by a game is against the Ravens one hundred and
Speaker 1: eighty nine passing two hundred nineteen against Cincinnati and one
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty six against Washington. Not big numbers through
Speaker 1: the air because they have that dominant run game. But
Speaker 1: are do these two guys scare you? And they also
Speaker 1: have you know, tight end to Austin Hooper. That's that's
Speaker 1: been a nice edition. I think he came from the Falcons.
Speaker 1: What do you guys think about the passing game this year?
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. It's a guy in Detroit to
Speaker 1: die for either one of them. It's a it's a
Speaker 1: it's a guy in New Orleans with his number one
Speaker 1: guy hurt, would die for either one of these receivers.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, bro Odell Beckham still has it man.
Speaker 1: Uh brother. I hate for this man to come in
Speaker 1: here and Baker Mayfield want to plan his flag and
Speaker 1: do what's right. But this thing could get And maybe
Speaker 1: I'm wrong, maybe I'm missing Odell. Maybe he ain't that guy, Jesse.
Speaker 1: The litpit you've seen of this guy, what do you
Speaker 1: think you think he lost something? No? No, no, no,
Speaker 1: he's still He's still the Oldell Beckham that we know
Speaker 1: and we've seen for a lot of years. The difference
Speaker 1: is this scheme is just different. They're not passing the
Speaker 1: ball or wild and crazy. They're not passing the ball,
Speaker 1: you know, forty fifty times a game. So the limit
Speaker 1: of opportunities that he had before, he doesn't get as
Speaker 1: many now. But make no mistake about it, Odell Beckham
Speaker 1: is still a guy who can make a big play.
Speaker 1: He's a guy who can take a slant to the house,
Speaker 1: a curl to the house, a go route to the house.
Speaker 1: Like he's still that dude. He still has the wheels,
Speaker 1: he still has the amazing hands. And coming into at
Speaker 1: and T Stadium, it's something about this platform, this stadium
Speaker 1: that guys get a little bit more excited for and
Speaker 1: they want to get off against the Cowboys. So all
Speaker 1: those guys are still are still weapons. And what they
Speaker 1: want to do with those guys that they want to
Speaker 1: roll Backer Mayfield out, They want to run the ball
Speaker 1: and then they want to double move you. So just
Speaker 1: know they watch film. Hey Diggs, they've seen you get
Speaker 1: beat a couple of times. Okay, some of it on
Speaker 1: double moves. I can gather runt you. I'm going I'm
Speaker 1: going to my Charles Barkley back. I can gaunt that
Speaker 1: you will see at least two double moves this game
Speaker 1: on Dicks. I can get you're gonna see double moves
Speaker 1: in this game from one of those two receivers because
Speaker 1: they've watched film and they say that this guy is
Speaker 1: a good young cornerback, but he's a little bit overaggressive.
Speaker 1: He's a little over zealous. And you got two of
Speaker 1: the best rock runners in the league who know how
Speaker 1: to sell routes. At some time with a young quarterback,
Speaker 1: they get a little anti they get a little anxious.
Speaker 1: But I can get roone t you're gonna see it
Speaker 1: at least two double moves against our secondary against digs
Speaker 1: come to this game on Sunday. Will they be successful,
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I can guarantee you're gonna see them.
Speaker 1: Baker Man, we know those guys got speed. We know
Speaker 1: they've they've got some speed. But you're staying they're they're
Speaker 1: good route runners as well. Oh no, we're not saying
Speaker 1: that they're excellent route runners. They they're in that conversation
Speaker 1: I had with Amara Cooper like the route running is
Speaker 1: just like I said, Landry may not be as explosive
Speaker 1: as Odell, but he is aever oh man, he's a
Speaker 1: hell of an idiot. And Odell again, Odell has that
Speaker 1: ability to catch a hitch, a slant, a stop route,
Speaker 1: a curl and give you one of these and be
Speaker 1: out the back door. He had like Odell still has
Speaker 1: that ability and we know what he can do when
Speaker 1: the ball is in the air, like you have to.
Speaker 1: You have to get to the ball before he does,
Speaker 1: because if you don't, it's probably gonna be a good catch.
Speaker 1: How much does with Baker Mayfield, you know from Austin,
Speaker 1: went to college right up the road at Ou, you
Speaker 1: got Miles Garrett coming back to Texas? How much as
Speaker 1: a play Odell obviously loves to play here. How much
Speaker 1: as a player does going back home or going back
Speaker 1: close to home where you know you're gonna have friends
Speaker 1: and family that are going to be at the game,
Speaker 1: or just be you know, playing back in your environment,
Speaker 1: in your hometown, your backyard as a player, does that
Speaker 1: give you a little bit of extra something on game day? Yes?
Speaker 1: Or yes? Yes, yes, yes, and yes yes yes what
Speaker 1: is it? Yes? Because I think as fans, you think
Speaker 1: of you know, you think of does bullet bulletin board
Speaker 1: material does that really work? Does that motivate you? Or
Speaker 1: once the once the lights come on and the game starts,
Speaker 1: all that kind of goes away, and it's just man
Speaker 1: versus man. What is the mental aspect of going back
Speaker 1: home and playing in your own backyard. It's home, It's
Speaker 1: the crib. It's the crib. I mean, once you get
Speaker 1: past the headache of tickets, it's the crib. It's your people,
Speaker 1: this is your stomping ground. It's the area that you
Speaker 1: know like that that that's that's that's crib. And said,
Speaker 1: when you go back home and play it gets front
Speaker 1: in front of your people and an area where you
Speaker 1: were kind of you know, brought up in or brought
Speaker 1: up around. It just gives you that extra When you
Speaker 1: get a chance to go back and play it at
Speaker 1: home or real close to home, and I talk you
Speaker 1: know that that's a feeling that you just I don't know.
Speaker 1: It just gives you that that little swagging in your step.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's something about playing for at the crib
Speaker 1: that you make you you know, make you make you
Speaker 1: want to go out there performs, give you a little
Speaker 1: something whatever you go to Tampa, would you get a
Speaker 1: little extra gas in the tank. Brother, let me tell
Speaker 1: you something I used to buy. I was happy to
Speaker 1: buy all the tickets I could because people that knew
Speaker 1: me back in the day like, well, okay, Nat did
Speaker 1: like me, then he's gonna like it now. But my family,
Speaker 1: they was coming at least out the sexy stave at
Speaker 1: least once. And when I went to Tampa, it was
Speaker 1: off the chain. I was getting as many tickets as
Speaker 1: I could because we were gonna win the game. And
Speaker 1: when we won the game, I was gonna come around
Speaker 1: the corner talking big noise. I wasn't going back with
Speaker 1: the team. I was gonna stay with my family, and
Speaker 1: I was gonna be talking big noise. Bro not we're
Speaker 1: not gonna be handled, but the news was gonna be handled.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be setified to one hundred strong talking Norse
Speaker 1: home sexy man. So, like I said, when you win
Speaker 1: the game, come on, man, come on man. You know
Speaker 1: we can't let we can't let Myles Garrett to win
Speaker 1: the game. Man, we did not let that have. Didn't
Speaker 1: you charter a bus? Was that for a Super Bowl
Speaker 1: or was that for us? Man? I charted the bus
Speaker 1: twice once a year when I played for the Cowboys
Speaker 1: for the Thanksgiving game. I charted the bus and then
Speaker 1: I didn't have to and tample because all my people
Speaker 1: was in an hour or two of Tampa. You know.
Speaker 1: But any time I got close, man, you know, even
Speaker 1: when I went to Philadelphia, I would get ten or
Speaker 1: fifteen ten come my cousin he's no longer with us.
Speaker 1: He would bring his boys, you know he was. He
Speaker 1: was a naval guy, and they would bring it. Man.
Speaker 1: I can't suited and booted baby at every game, I like,
Speaker 1: but I'm funding like baby kid. They were everywhere Kurt
Speaker 1: bad game in front of the home fans. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: in front of the home fans. Yeah. About one hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty people came. I play against my baby brother,
Speaker 1: timoth to Newton the Minnesota Vikings. They beat us right
Speaker 1: in Texas Stadium, and I was the one hosted and
Speaker 1: pay for everything. Tim patting on the back, I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: where am I half? But you're half of the money.
Speaker 1: We'll broad getting back with you. And now I got
Speaker 1: to pay for everything too. But shot down to two
Speaker 1: years later, I had thirty. I had about seventy five
Speaker 1: at the Super Bowl, brother included. I said a word
Speaker 1: about it big brother got it. Yes, last couple of
Speaker 1: minutes of the show. Let's let's end it up. Let's
Speaker 1: just go around the horn. What what the what is
Speaker 1: the defense for the Cowboys need to do to be
Speaker 1: able to win this game? Nate kick us off. The
Speaker 1: inside of our defense done. Terry Poe has to stay
Speaker 1: home and control everything him. Antoine Woods and Tyrone Crawford
Speaker 1: has to control the game from the inside. Jalen has
Speaker 1: to make sure everybody is lined up and ready to tackle.
Speaker 1: Because we take care of the take away they run,
Speaker 1: then we can keep everybody back in coverage to take
Speaker 1: care of those two animals in first plus Hooper to
Speaker 1: tight end. We gotta play them like that, stop the run.
Speaker 1: Make Baker may feel beat us. And maybe I'm saying
Speaker 1: something crazy, Jesse, maybe I'm saying the wrong thing, but
Speaker 1: you gotta stop two horses. Man, this is this is
Speaker 1: you've heard the term before, like this is a man's game,
Speaker 1: Like this is one of those games where this is
Speaker 1: a man's game, because it's gonna be it's gonna be
Speaker 1: maling and brawling in the trenches. That defensive front, our
Speaker 1: defensive front. We have to control the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 1: We can't. We have to recreate the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 1: Whatever the ball is at when it's snapped. We have
Speaker 1: to have such a surge that by the time the
Speaker 1: ball carrier gets to the line of scrimmage, we have
Speaker 1: recreated it and it's actually a yard behind them where
Speaker 1: it actually started from. And we this. You gotta let
Speaker 1: it hang out right here. You gotta drop them hang out.
Speaker 1: This is this is one of those games where you
Speaker 1: gotta look yourself in the mirror because if not, if not,
Speaker 1: if not, you will get bullied. This is gonna this
Speaker 1: is gonna really test up front, who's really about that life? Like,
Speaker 1: who's really about that life? Because they're going to commit
Speaker 1: to they're going to commit to running this football. They
Speaker 1: don't want. They don't want Baker with the ball in
Speaker 1: his hands forty fifty times a game. And the only
Speaker 1: way they don't do that is if we get a lead.
Speaker 1: And now they have to get away from the run
Speaker 1: game and go primarily passing. And that's what we want
Speaker 1: them to do. We want to we want them make
Speaker 1: we want to make them. Uh have to throw with
Speaker 1: one hand behind their back, but there let them hang
Speaker 1: out right here, man, Like you gotta drop them right here.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about all those guys, Baby and Kurt and
Speaker 1: Jaylen Smith, Jaylen Smith and Joe Thomas. If those guys
Speaker 1: plug those holes and do what they gotta do, you
Speaker 1: gotta come downhill ready to tackle fifteen eleven guys to
Speaker 1: the football Like. This is one of those games where
Speaker 1: you can't be like, oh no, you gotta come because
Speaker 1: one dude ain't bringing Nick Chubb down. You gotta come
Speaker 1: with the house, get everybody around the football, rally around
Speaker 1: the ball, and make sure he is down and not
Speaker 1: charging four for an extra two or three yards. This
Speaker 1: is this is gonna be. This is This is where
Speaker 1: discipline comes into play. You gotta be disciplined, You gotta
Speaker 1: be alignment, assignment sound, and you gotta bring your hard hat,
Speaker 1: Kurt real quick before Chris cuts the show off on us. Now,
Speaker 1: same thing. It's just there's gonna be a physical, tough game.
Speaker 1: And we didn't talk about the linebackers much, but I
Speaker 1: think Jaylen Smith, Joe Thomas they've got you know, they
Speaker 1: got to play smart, you know, do the best to
Speaker 1: stop that ground game and cover when they need to.
Speaker 1: But when they hit one of them, boy, they got
Speaker 1: to say back that well, these ain't these ain't you
Speaker 1: Mom and Daddy's Browns anymore. This is a different This
Speaker 1: is the Browns team that's on the come up. So
Speaker 1: it's it's gonna be a dirty, down in the trenches game.
Speaker 1: I think we all agree it's gonna be run heavy
Speaker 1: from their side. It's just who's gonna show up, And,
Speaker 1: as Jesse said, who's gonna drop them? So we'll we'll
Speaker 1: talk too, Yes, let's talk somebody to nice not nicer
Speaker 1: a little grace tomorrow and we'll do some other fun
Speaker 1: stuff on the Friday edition when we come back tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Thanks Jesse, Thanks Nay, Thanks Kurt, Thanks Chris B. We'll
Speaker 1: be back tomorrow, hanging with the boys, backing up, shutting
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