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Speaker 1: What's going on? Everybody? John Middle Cooff three and Out podcast,

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Speaker 1: just finishing up this Thursday night game. Three minutes and

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Speaker 1: counting thirty four to three. The stan Farsco forty Niners

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Speaker 1: just absolutely destroyed the Raiders. Uh, pretty wild. I I

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Speaker 1: didn't quite see this coming. I actually lost a lot

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Speaker 1: of money betting on I bet on the Raiders, and

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Speaker 1: I feel like absolute moron. I watched a J. McCarron

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Speaker 1: in the game, Derek Carr pulled, What a disaster for Gruden.

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Speaker 1: What we'll get into Gruden here in one second. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna hit on Mike McCarthy and just some things

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Speaker 1: I see with this job hunt. I think Mike McCarthy

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Speaker 1: is ultimately gonna lose his job in Green Bay. A

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Speaker 1: lot of people are gonna put him on Cleveland, and

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Speaker 1: I think let's keep an eye on one other team. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Just a couple of college football thoughts. Michigan not only

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Speaker 1: alive and well, I'm mean they have a they're on

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Speaker 1: a fast track to the playoffs right now. They control

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Speaker 1: their own destiny. And then, as always, go around the

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Speaker 1: league and hit on there are actually some really good games.

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Speaker 1: A couple of games in the afternoon Seattle. Uh the

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Speaker 1: Chargers are going to Seattle. Also Saints Rams. That's an

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Speaker 1: excellent game. And then the Sunday night game is just

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Speaker 1: awesome Green Bay at New England. But this game Thursday

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Speaker 1: Night football obviously a little bigger deal for me. I

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Speaker 1: live in the Bay Area. So there's two teams combined,

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Speaker 1: two and seven, two and thirteen. I can't even do

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Speaker 1: my math. Uh So it's a pretty terrible game on paper,

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Speaker 1: and it was even worse to watch. Kyle Shanahan. I've

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Speaker 1: been saying it from the beginning. Him and McVeigh are

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Speaker 1: the same guy. His team is just terrible. Kyle Shanahan

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Speaker 1: is a big time football coach. Once they get talent

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Speaker 1: and this offseason and once Jimmy comes back healthy, they're

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Speaker 1: gonna be really competitive next year. Kyle Shanahan's really good.

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Speaker 1: John Gruden, on the other hand, I I don't here's

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Speaker 1: the thing with NFL and tanking. These coach is and

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Speaker 1: these players are trying to win. John Gruden, now did

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Speaker 1: he care about winning in two thousand and eighteen. That

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Speaker 1: wasn't his number one priority. It's part of the reason

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Speaker 1: he traded Cleil mckenamory Cooper. Does he care about winning

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Speaker 1: on Sunday or for this example, Thursday night, Like he

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Speaker 1: tried to win this San Fransco forty Niners game and

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Speaker 1: he just got blown out thirty four to three by

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Speaker 1: Nick Mullins. The Christ C. J. Bethard did not start.

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Speaker 1: He could grip a football Nick Mullins. Most of us

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Speaker 1: have never heard of Nick Mullins. I honestly, if I

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Speaker 1: didn't live in the barrier, I would not know who

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Speaker 1: Nick Mullins was. And he not only just I mean

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Speaker 1: he pounded Nick Mollins was sixteen two hundred sixty yards

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Speaker 1: and three touchdowns. I mean, how's it possible. John Gruden

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Speaker 1: left football for ten plus years, came back for a

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Speaker 1: hundred million dollars and is getting thoroughly embarrassed. And I

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Speaker 1: know Colin always said, and I somewhat actually disagreed with him,

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Speaker 1: he thought he was gonna be an absolute train wreck.

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Speaker 1: I thought John would be a solid coach. He's been terrible,

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Speaker 1: Like he's not very good. And Colin's main I guess,

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Speaker 1: what I do agree with. You can't leave any industry,

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Speaker 1: high level, you know, billion dollar industry for that long

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Speaker 1: what what do you think Andy Reid has been doing

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Speaker 1: for last ten years? Bill Belichick, Kyle Shanahan, These guys

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Speaker 1: have been grinding, These guys have been coaching, these guys

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Speaker 1: have been working. Jon Gruden has been in the f

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Speaker 1: f A or whatever the hell it's called, watching film.

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Speaker 1: That's another thing when you actually have a team and

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Speaker 1: you actually get judged on wins and losses, and you

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Speaker 1: right now he looks, you know, absolutely just not even arguable,

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Speaker 1: completely over his head, this notion that the Raiders are

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Speaker 1: you seen Gruden's resume of drafting players. He's terrible, He's

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Speaker 1: got awful. This Raiders team, they have so much money

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Speaker 1: traveling circus, dumpster fire right now, led by Jon Gruden,

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Speaker 1: who kind of looks like, you know, somewhat of a fraud,

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Speaker 1: Like what quarterback could he ever say beside a thirty

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Speaker 1: you know, a coach or just any human leaving a

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Speaker 1: You know when Gruden left, he was in this mid forties.

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Speaker 1: But to come back and for it to be this bad,

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Speaker 1: you fired every coach in the NFL now Hugh Jacksons

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Speaker 1: already been fired, what and you just did a fantasy

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Speaker 1: draft based on records and obviously Mark Davis thinks Scrutin's

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Speaker 1: be their head coach? Has anyone ever lost more just

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Speaker 1: buzz and luster with just their name and the gravitas

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Speaker 1: that had held that When you said John Gruden a

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Speaker 1: big believer that frauds are always exposed, and Gruden was

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Speaker 1: way society works. You're not quite locked in on things

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Speaker 1: beyond over his head and this is an absolute disaster.

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Speaker 1: coaches go to die. They have one of the most

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Speaker 1: That the afternoon slate is excellent. The two games in

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Speaker 1: the afternoon on Sunday, and then the Sunday night game.

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Speaker 1: It is football porn. I mean, just an incredible six

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Speaker 1: hour stretch on paper. I am really excited. Let's start

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Speaker 1: with the first game. Actually, this is a night game.

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Speaker 1: Let's start with the Nike and this is the best

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Speaker 1: game of the weekend packs at New England. The Packers

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Speaker 1: are five and a half point favorite. There are three

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Speaker 1: three in one. Here's the problem for the Packers. The

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Speaker 1: Bears are playing the Bills and they're probably gonna win,

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Speaker 1: so they would be five and three. The Vikings are

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Speaker 1: playing the Lions, who actually are not terrible. But let's

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Speaker 1: just assume the Vikings win. They would also then be

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Speaker 1: four three and one. Excuse me, I'm off there they

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Speaker 1: would be if the vi Yeah, the Vikings win, they

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Speaker 1: would be five three and one, so they'd be in

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Speaker 1: pretty good shape. The Packers, this was a crazy stretch

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Speaker 1: in their schedule. They had to go to l A

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Speaker 1: and then to New England. I mean, those might have

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Speaker 1: been two losses at the beginning of the season, just regardless.

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Speaker 1: But this has been a bizarre year. Everything that just

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Speaker 1: happened with Time Montgomery, from him taking out the the

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Speaker 1: kickoff to them him fumbling, to then him being traded.

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Speaker 1: They just trade, how Clinton dicks. They're not like throwing

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Speaker 1: up a white flag on the season, but they're definitely

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Speaker 1: not all in like Rams, like the Saints, even like

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Speaker 1: a team like the Eagles, or like New England. Feels

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Speaker 1: like they are okay with not making the playoffs, which

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Speaker 1: is almost bizarre because Rogers in the peak of his powers.

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Speaker 1: But New England. This is not a must win game

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Speaker 1: for New England. Obviously they are, you know, six and two,

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Speaker 1: but they do need to hold serve. The Chiefs are

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Speaker 1: playing the Browns, So let's assume the Chiefs Brown's fired

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Speaker 1: everyone they win to get that number one seed, which

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Speaker 1: could be kind of big. I mean, the difference of

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Speaker 1: playing the f C Championship game in New England and

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Speaker 1: in Kansas City is a pretty big deal. Now, you

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Speaker 1: would get the home field advantage in the second round

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Speaker 1: no matter what, but you want to hold serve with

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Speaker 1: Kansas City, especially when you beat them head to head.

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Speaker 1: So this is a big game from both teams. But

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Speaker 1: this is borderline must win for the Packers, assuming the

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Speaker 1: Bears take care of business in Buffalo and also Minnesota wins,

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Speaker 1: which I ultimately think Minnesota ends up winning the division,

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Speaker 1: but that wild card spot at nine ten wins could

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Speaker 1: come down to the Bears and the Packers. And the

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Speaker 1: Packers who can beat the Bears just head to head.

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Speaker 1: Now they did beat them in Game one in Lambeau.

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Speaker 1: The second game is in Chicago, obviously, But if you

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Speaker 1: find yourself behind the eight ball and you don't even

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Speaker 1: control your own destiny, that that'd be pretty crazy f

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers to miss the playoffs when he does not

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Speaker 1: miss any games. Now he was hurt, but still, I mean,

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Speaker 1: in the peak of his powers, Aaron Rodgers not making

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Speaker 1: the playoffs. Bye bye McCarthy, Bye by a lot of

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Speaker 1: players in this little mini Packer. It's not a dynasty,

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Speaker 1: but they they've been a consistent playoff team for the

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Speaker 1: last seven years. I know they missed last year, but

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Speaker 1: that was because Rogers was injured. Rams Saints, what an

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Speaker 1: excellent game. You know, the Chiefs lead the league in

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Speaker 1: in scoring offense. The next two teams Saints in the Rams.

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Speaker 1: Right now, the Saints are averaging thirty three point four

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Speaker 1: points and the Rams are averaging thirty three. Now I

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Speaker 1: get the rules of change, but both these two teams

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Speaker 1: are big time. I think this is more than likely

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Speaker 1: a preview of the NFC Championship game. I still like

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Speaker 1: the Saints. I've been saying all along. If New Orleans

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Speaker 1: goes into l A, regardless of what happens in this game,

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Speaker 1: and I'm getting three or four points, I like my

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Speaker 1: chances with Drew Berries in l A, which is not

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Speaker 1: a great home field advantage. Now, if this game somehow,

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Speaker 1: which would be hard because there ain't no Now, the

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Speaker 1: Saints have only lost one game, so it's not out

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Speaker 1: of the realm of possibility they win this game. They

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Speaker 1: would be seven and one, the Rams would be eight

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Speaker 1: and one. They would feel there in the driver's seat

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Speaker 1: then for the home that it's a big game for

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Speaker 1: home field advantage either way. Though, obviously, if somehow the

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Speaker 1: New Orleans would be the number one seed. I would

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Speaker 1: like their chances at home in the Dome in the

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Speaker 1: second and third round, regardless who they play. But I

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Speaker 1: do think if New Orleans was the second seed and

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Speaker 1: they beat whoever in the second round, the Panthers, the Eagles,

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Speaker 1: you name, it doesn't matter, right, I would pick them

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Speaker 1: to win that game. Then they went on the road

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Speaker 1: to the Colosseum. To me, the Saints are the best team,

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Speaker 1: the most well rounded team, and the big difference between

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Speaker 1: them and the Rams is just breezing golf. And I

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Speaker 1: like golf, but I mean Drew Brees. We're talking like

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Speaker 1: one of the top ten quarterbacks ever. Jared Goff. Last year,

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Speaker 1: he's only played in one playoff game. He did not

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Speaker 1: play well. Now he's gotten a lot better, but still

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Speaker 1: the pressure. You know, he's never played a big game

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Speaker 1: at CAL. He's played big games at the end of

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Speaker 1: last year obviously the playoff game and then this year.

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Speaker 1: But it's a different animal in January. So until he

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Speaker 1: does it, I'm not betting on him. That's simply my logic.

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Speaker 1: And then the last game that I never would imagine

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Speaker 1: this game would have been good, like five or six

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Speaker 1: weeks ago. But it's excellent, not just on paper, but

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Speaker 1: I'm super excited to watch it. Chargers at Seattle San Diego, who,

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Speaker 1: as I refer to them or is gonna be the

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Speaker 1: first wild card in the a f C. They are

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Speaker 1: a really good team. Well it turns out Seattle might

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Speaker 1: be a wild card team too. Their four and three,

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Speaker 1: they've only lost one. They've only played two games at home,

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Speaker 1: and the one of them they lost was to the Rams.

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Speaker 1: I think they're good. I mean, Russell's a superstar. They

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Speaker 1: can run the ball, their defense is playing solid. Uh

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Speaker 1: and I just like their chances at home. Like a

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Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago when they played the Rams. The

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Speaker 1: one thing that really stood out to me when I

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Speaker 1: was watching that game is God, this place is rocking.

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Speaker 1: I make fun of the twelves and because they didn't

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Speaker 1: really come around six or seven years ago, but when

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Speaker 1: they care that that places rocks. I mean that has

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Speaker 1: an sec type vibe to it. Seattle wins this game

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Speaker 1: and they're five and three, I'm just gonna start looking

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Speaker 1: at him like, yeah, they're a wild card team. They're

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Speaker 1: gonna end up nine or ten wins. They they have

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Speaker 1: not played the forty Niners yet, so just they're they're

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Speaker 1: gonna rattle off some wins. I mean, Seattle, if they

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Speaker 1: can somehow beat the Chargers, the Charges are still be

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Speaker 1: in good shape to it. At five and three, you

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Speaker 1: would be talking about one of the great coaching jobs

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Speaker 1: in recent memory. Most people, including myself, I thought they

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Speaker 1: had one of the worst rosters in the NFL. Then

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Speaker 1: even their player that I never blamed them for not

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Speaker 1: signing in Earl Thomas, then gets hurt. Uh. They don't

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Speaker 1: have any names besides maybe Frank Clark and Bobby Wagner.

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Speaker 1: On defense, Doug Baldwin has been hurt. They did draft

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Speaker 1: for Shot Penny, but he doesn't even get the bulk

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Speaker 1: of the carries. It's Carson In Russell's just a star.

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Speaker 1: But their offensive line with Mike Slari getting rid of

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Speaker 1: Tom Cable best thing they ever did. They have been

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Speaker 1: so much better upfront. I kind of like Seattle in

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Speaker 1: this game. Uh, they're favored by a point. I don't

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Speaker 1: feel great about it, but I'm I'm kind of sneaky

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Speaker 1: on the Seattle bandwagon. Okay, let's get to the middlecoff

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Speaker 1: Mail back always my favorite time you can slide up

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Speaker 1: in my d M s at John Middlecoff on Instagram,

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Speaker 1: and I will answer your questions right here. Okay, uh,

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Speaker 1: I wanted to hear from the scout's point of view

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Speaker 1: how to improve an O line via the draft. How

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Speaker 1: much time do teams actually spend on on line prospects

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Speaker 1: and what do you think of teams who have battle

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Speaker 1: lines that are doing wrong? I think it's it's a

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Speaker 1: it's a position that's very predicated on the position and coach.

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Speaker 1: It's the reason a lot of the best position coaches

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Speaker 1: all make over a million dollars. It's also I mean,

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Speaker 1: teams spend a ton of time on it. As an

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Speaker 1: area scout, you're in your area evaluate an offensive lineman,

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Speaker 1: you always take them seriously just because there are you know,

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Speaker 1: it's not like a wide receiver where a team might

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Speaker 1: play two or three guys quarterback. There's obviously only one corners.

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Speaker 1: There's only a couple on a college team if you're

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Speaker 1: at like USC or Notre Dame or whatever, and they

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Speaker 1: got let's just say hypothetically they got five seniors. They

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Speaker 1: have five senior offensive lineman prospects. Now, usually they're not

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Speaker 1: all NFL guys, but you have to evaluate them if

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Speaker 1: the guy has draft eligible, but very seriously, because you

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Speaker 1: see in the NFL a lot of crappy offensive linemen

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Speaker 1: end up playing. It's a very very tough position to evaluate. Uh.

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Speaker 1: There are obviously certain benchmarks for arm length, uh, things

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Speaker 1: you can see on tape, just foot quickness. You know,

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Speaker 1: offensive line coaches usually play a big role, and definitely

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Speaker 1: the coach, whether he's an offensive head coach or the

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Speaker 1: offensive coordinator on drafting offensive lineman. But there is a huge, huge,

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Speaker 1: unquantifiable how tough the guy is. How Like I'm just

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Speaker 1: watching Mike McGlinchey play this year for the forty nine.

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Speaker 1: They drafted him number nine overall. The thing I didn't

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Speaker 1: know now, I think most people assume this because the

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Speaker 1: Notre Dame offensive line had become really physical and tough.

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Speaker 1: Like he is a tough s ob. It's it'd be

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Speaker 1: hard to knock him out of a game. He is

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Speaker 1: a really really good player. Uh, and a lot of

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Speaker 1: it is not. He's obviously six nine and long and

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Speaker 1: you know, a solid athlete. So yeah, it's a it's

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Speaker 1: a very very tough, difficult position to evaluate, and it

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Speaker 1: obviously changes a lot on what scheme your team runs. Hey, John,

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Speaker 1: big fan. My question for the mail bag is this,

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Speaker 1: As a Browns fan, I go back and forth on

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Speaker 1: whether I like Baker as my starting quarterback. I get

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Speaker 1: why Colin isn't exactly huge because he's not tearing it up,

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Speaker 1: but I also like watching their games this year compared

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Speaker 1: to last year. I feel like we finally have a chance,

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Speaker 1: which is something I haven't felt about the Browns in

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Speaker 1: a while. Do you think the Browns may have passed

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Speaker 1: on the better quarterbacks in terms of actual skill, body

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Speaker 1: and what they put on the stat sheet to take

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Speaker 1: Baker because of his energy, fire and because he could

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Speaker 1: be good enough in the NFL in a losing culture.

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Speaker 1: I definitely think his moxie and his fire and his

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Speaker 1: intangible stuff played a big role in them choosing him.

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Speaker 1: I also think they just looked at him like he

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Speaker 1: was gonna be this generations Drew Brees and I think

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Speaker 1: that's really hard when you draft a guy basing on

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Speaker 1: he's going to be an anomaly. I would have taken

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Speaker 1: Sam Dornald and I like Baker a lot, and I'm

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Speaker 1: with you. They have been so much easier to watch

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Speaker 1: this year with Baker Mayfield and I also am gonna

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Speaker 1: give him somewhat of a pass. Hugh Jackson, terrible head coach,

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Speaker 1: obviously fired Todd Haley and Hugh. I mean, what a

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Speaker 1: bizarre relationship. Not many quarterbacks would have success in that culture.

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Speaker 1: So to me, you won't be able to really judge

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Speaker 1: him until next year. Uh. I am not as low

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Speaker 1: on Baker as Colin is, but I do agree this.

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Speaker 1: They did not take the better quarterback in the draft.

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Speaker 1: It really is gonna co down. It's an all time

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Speaker 1: how the Jets started the draft at six, somehow traded

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Speaker 1: up to three and ended up with Sam Donald Like

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Speaker 1: that that that is pretty wild. I still when I

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Speaker 1: think of it, I can't believe that happened because I

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Speaker 1: hated when the Jets made the trade. I'm like, how

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Speaker 1: do you make that trade not knowing who's gonna be there?

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Speaker 1: I get making it on draft day, but to make

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Speaker 1: it so early, and to be honestly, the best thing

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Speaker 1: they ever did was make it so early, because if

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Speaker 1: Sam Donald had fallen there, who knows what the bidding

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Speaker 1: would have been like. Maybe they would have got more

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Speaker 1: than what they actually got from the Jets. And what

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Speaker 1: the Jets gave him was a lot. Remember they flipped ones.

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Speaker 1: They gave him two twos that year and one two

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Speaker 1: next year. The ga him three twos. I mean it

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Speaker 1: was expensive. It was worth every penny for you if

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Speaker 1: you were the Jet. My just looking back, it was

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Speaker 1: just crazy. They didn't know who was gonna be there. Now.

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Speaker 1: Maybe they had a decent idea that Dorsey loved Baker Mayfield,

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Speaker 1: But man, what a what a coup for if you're

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Speaker 1: a New York Jets fan that you ended up with

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Speaker 1: Sam Donald. Hey, John, My question is if the Giants

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Speaker 1: didn't got we get a lot of Giants Domino effect.

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Speaker 1: What would have happened if Sam Dornald would have been

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Speaker 1: the guy. Do you think they'd look better now than

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Speaker 1: they would uh, than he does with the Jets. And

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Speaker 1: would the Giants be better off with him over Eli? Well,

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Speaker 1: one thousand percent the Giants would be better off with

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Speaker 1: Sam Donald than they would be with Eli. Now. Would

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Speaker 1: he look a lot differently than with the Jets? You

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Speaker 1: think in theory he does of O'Dell Beckham Ingram Sterling

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Speaker 1: Shepherd to throw do they would not have see Kwan Barkley.

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Speaker 1: Maybe they would have drafted a guy in the later rounds.

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Speaker 1: But to me, he's had some huge statistical games with

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Speaker 1: the Jets. I think it's fair to assume that he

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Speaker 1: might have even had bigger games with the Giants because

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Speaker 1: of O'Dell and some of their wide receivers. But he's

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Speaker 1: still a rookie. You're gonna live and die with just

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Speaker 1: terrible passes. But big picture, there is no disputing there

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Speaker 1: is no argument now that Eli is a shell of

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Speaker 1: himself and just washed that the Giants one percent made

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Speaker 1: the wrong, wrong decision John. NFC East is atrocious, the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys are cautiously incompetent offense, the Eagles are mediocre, the

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Speaker 1: Skins are decent but are boring to watch, and the

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Speaker 1: Giants play high school level football. Love the optimism. My

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Speaker 1: question is why are they still seen seeing NonStop NFC

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Speaker 1: East primetime games. I cannot take anymore of Dak or Eli.

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Speaker 1: I understand the division's historical greatness, but when will the

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Speaker 1: schedule makers move them out of the high level games.

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Speaker 1: It's simple market size. When you put that division, whether

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Speaker 1: it's the Cowboys, whether it's the Giants, whether it's the Eagles,

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Speaker 1: in these primetime games, they rate really high. It's really

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Speaker 1: that simple. It's not about DAK, you know, over Russell

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Speaker 1: Wilson or whatever whatever possible matchup you can make when

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Speaker 1: you put the Eagles or you put the Giants in

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Speaker 1: a primetime game relative to the Falcons and relative to

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Speaker 1: the Panthers, the NFC East games move the needle. I'm

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Speaker 1: with you. I can't take anymore ELI. I'm not DAK

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Speaker 1: bores the hell out of me, though I'm interested now

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Speaker 1: with the mari there and the Giants are a snooze fest.

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Speaker 1: But you have to acknowledge that this is ultimately a

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Speaker 1: business and the way they pay their teams, this astronomical

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Speaker 1: amount of rev share money every year is basically all

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Speaker 1: because of TV money, and that two million is because

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Speaker 1: teams like the Cowboys, teams like the Giants, teams like

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Speaker 1: the Eagles, they do massive ratings. So even when we're

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Speaker 1: piste off and we're watching ELI, way more people watching

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Speaker 1: ELI game than they would the Falcons at the Tampa

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Speaker 1: Bay Buccaneers, you know, the Houston Texans at the Tennessee Titans.

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Speaker 1: It's it's just a market share, eyeballs money move. It's

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Speaker 1: not really about the fun of the game and the

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Speaker 1: importance of or just how good Eli Manning is. It's

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Speaker 1: just it's just simply that people watch and it's sad

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Speaker 1: because I don't know how anyone uh watches these games

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Speaker 1: because it's terrible. Yo, John, I agree with most of

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Speaker 1: your views, listen to every pod, but come on, dude, Detroit.

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Speaker 1: I'll give Patricia clean slate, but man Stafford has been

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Speaker 1: slightly above average at best as far as football success.

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Speaker 1: For his draft pick and pedigree, he's underachieved in a

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Speaker 1: big way. But as the opportunity to put some skins

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Speaker 1: up with Patricia, possibly he's Eli Manning without rings. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think he's been much better than Eli. In the

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Speaker 1: regular season. He's made the playoffs three times in Detroit,

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Speaker 1: one of the biggest joke franchises, like in the history

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Speaker 1: of the NFL. Uh. He's had absolutely atrocious head coaches

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Speaker 1: from Schwartz to Caldwell's okay to now Patricia. Again. I'm

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Speaker 1: not trying to stick up for Stafford, but if you

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Speaker 1: would have gave him Andy Reid, you would have given

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Speaker 1: him a good off Sean Payton his chances for success.

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Speaker 1: Like to me, he just would have been a much

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Speaker 1: better player. Uh. I I think he's been better than

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Speaker 1: like you know the majority of number one overall picks.

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Speaker 1: Has he turned into Elway right? No? Has he turned

728
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Speaker 1: into Peyton Manning? No, But he's like way better like

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Speaker 1: Alex Smith. Alex Smith's resume is gonna be much better

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Speaker 1: than Matt Stafford's resume in terms of wins. But if

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Speaker 1: you told me that Andy Reid could have picked, you know,

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Speaker 1: five years ago, or Jim Harbaugh could have picked, or

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Speaker 1: the Redskins could have picked Matt Stafford over Alex Smith,

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Speaker 1: to me, it's a no brainer. And again that's showing

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Speaker 1: the bars not that high. But I just think we're

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Speaker 1: discounting a little bit. Like Matt Stafford's career, it's been

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Speaker 1: better than you're giving him credit for. But I am

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Speaker 1: with you, like it does leave something for be desired,

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Speaker 1: given how much money he makes, given how much talent

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Speaker 1: he has given, how much offensive firepower they have consistently

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Speaker 1: had in the organization. Okay, last middlecoff mail back dealing

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Speaker 1: with this little little head cold right here. You know

743
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 1: the voices I'm battling through though, I'm like Belichicker Parcels

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00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: would appreciate me hard hard to not dress me on

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00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 1: game day? Hey, John, I love the insight. Uh, You've

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Speaker 1: kind of touched on this, But how do you see

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Speaker 1: Gruden and mackenzie relationship playing out if they are that

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Speaker 1: far apart in their first draft with having different draft

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Speaker 1: boards and with Gruden I'm assuming trading away Mackenzie's favorite

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Speaker 1: players after being the GM of the year. Would a

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Speaker 1: general manager ever quit or resign or is he going

752
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: to get fired? Only? How do you see it playing out?

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00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: Because there's no way they can keep going this way.

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00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 1: You can't resign in the NFL. You have contracts. So

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00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 1: Reggie mackenzie signed a contract extension a couple of years ago.

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00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 1: It was probably for four or five years. So even

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00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 1: after this season, probably at minimum, he has two years remaining,

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Speaker 1: and I would be shocked if he's not making over

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Speaker 1: a million dollars. So you resign, you don't get the money.

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Speaker 1: If they fire you, they gotta pay you, So to me,

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Speaker 1: the only move is him forcing Gruden's hand to fire him.

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Speaker 1: I've also heard that they may just keep him around

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Speaker 1: in the sense that he's not if he can't find

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Speaker 1: another job, and just bring in a more famous name,

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Speaker 1: a more powerful voice that will basically be Gruden's general manager,

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Speaker 1: and Reggie will just be uh, you know, his power

767
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: has already been neutralized, but will just be there, you know,

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Speaker 1: as a famous name, not necessarily having any power again.

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Speaker 1: From a financial standpoint, if no one's willing to pay

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Speaker 1: Reggie mackenzie or give him a powerful job, it doesn't

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Speaker 1: make sense for Reggie. It's just part of the shitty

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Speaker 1: part of the business. Even if you don't enjoy the

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Speaker 1: people you work with. If you were making a lot

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Speaker 1: of money, you're kind of between a rock and a

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00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:06,839
Speaker 1: hard place, you know, you. I mean, you have a contract,

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Speaker 1: so you can't really just leave, and teams know that

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Speaker 1: you're still under contract. So he's not gonna get a

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Speaker 1: general manager job. I think it's fifty because the owner

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Speaker 1: loves him, Gruden would love to get rid of them,

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Speaker 1: and Reggie, I I think, does feel a bond and

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Speaker 1: a kinship just with this team now less and less

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00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: because Gruten traded all of his players but wanted to

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Speaker 1: see this thing through. But I think there's a chance

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Speaker 1: he gets fired. I think there's a zero chance he resigns,

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Speaker 1: and I think there's a chance that they just bring

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Speaker 1: in a someone that is the actual decision maker. I

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00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 1: don't know if they call him the general manager, but

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Speaker 1: then basically replaces Reggie. And as long as that's going on,

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Speaker 1: is Reggie still around and Groom's not listening to him

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Speaker 1: and his title still the GM and there's someone else around,

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Speaker 1: You're gonna continue to have just the dysfunction that they have.

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00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 1: And it's it's the reasons it, you know, team like

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Speaker 1: the Raiders. You know, you spend all this money on Gruden.

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00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 1: It never made sense not to just you gotta just

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Speaker 1: fire Reggie. If you gotta pay him eight ten million

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00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:11,720
Speaker 1: dollars to go away, that's the price to do in business.

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Speaker 1: You paid Gruden a hundred million dollars to give him

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Speaker 1: autonomy and power. He didn't wait all these years to

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Speaker 1: come back and work with Reggie. That's that's not with

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Speaker 1: John Gruden. I know he said that, but and again,

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Speaker 1: I don't want John Gruden picking my players. But if

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Speaker 1: I'm Mark Davis and I'm gonna pay him all this money,

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00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: I need uh John Gruden to bring in any and

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00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 1: I mean any person he wants. I can't saddle him

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00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 1: up with anyone that That's that's you're wasting every day

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Speaker 1: and every day this year they wasted by not letting

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Speaker 1: John gruden hand pick as general manager. They really did.

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Speaker 1: And it's the reason that this season has been such

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Speaker 1: a disaster. And they made some crazy ass trades that

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00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: might not have happened even if they brought in a

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Speaker 1: new general manager that might have. And this is our

812
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 1: personnel people come into play. Coaches can do crazy things

813
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: and sometimes a personnel you know, director or a general manager,

814
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 1: they we view things differently. We just think the long

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00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 1: view value talent more than sometimes living in the moment.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, you can trade Khalil Mac for two first rounders.

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Speaker 1: Khalil freaking Mac. How is there no one that said, John,

818
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 1: this is insane. Let's not trade Khalil Mack. This is

819
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,359
Speaker 1: not a good idea. But that guy doesn't exist because

820
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,320
Speaker 1: John wasn't able to bring that guy in. So that

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Speaker 1: is somewhat to me on the owner, Like I blame

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Speaker 1: Mark Davis for even creating this drama. He should have

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00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: done Gruden a favor and just fired Reggie mackenzie. You

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Speaker 1: guys should do me a favor and slade up in

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Speaker 1: my Damns Middlecoff mailbag every week at John Middlecoff. Appreciate

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Speaker 1: everyone listening, Have a good weekend, just great football. This weekend.

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Speaker 1: Enjoy College Tomorrow. If you're listening to this on Saturday,

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Speaker 1: enjoy today. I can't wait for l s U Alabama,

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Speaker 1: and in the Sunday slate, especially as to one o'clock

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Speaker 1: Pacific Standard time, the one o'clock games are excellent and

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Speaker 1: in the Sunday night game, Packers Patriots way can't wait.

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Speaker 1: Enjoy the weekend three and Out Pod John Middlecop I'm out,

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