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Speaker 2: the North Carolina football team following the interview this Sunday
Speaker 2: with Bill Belichick and a little bit of his girlfriend
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Speaker 2: I think it's a question that has to be asked
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Speaker 2: He's not going to answer anything. I'm talking about ownership management,
Speaker 2: talking to him what does he want to do, because
Speaker 2: he might say, I want to stay here, you know,
Speaker 2: continue to build around me. I'm thirty years of age,
Speaker 2: I still have five you know, great years that we
Speaker 2: can still win another championship. I mean that would be
Speaker 2: the mindset. Now he might say and extend me too,
Speaker 2: and then you might go, do we want to do that?
Speaker 2: He's got one more year with Milwaukee and he's going
Speaker 2: to be really expensive.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: That's that's you know, we talk about these contracts where
Speaker 2: like Miles Garrett got forty million dollars. Now, if I'm Cleveland,
Speaker 2: I would have said, no, we can't give him forty million.
Speaker 2: We're not winning anything. It's like Pittsburgh with TJ. Watt.
Speaker 2: He's going to want forty million dollars a year, and
Speaker 2: then you have to say, are we close to winning?
Speaker 2: So certain guys earn a raise, but you have to
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Speaker 2: to pay that? You might be worthy of that, but
Speaker 2: do we want to pay that? Cleveland with Miles Garrett,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have done that. I would have made this
Speaker 2: a complete rebuild because they are an old team. You're
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Speaker 2: your starting quarterback in Joe Flacco. You know your wide receivers,
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Speaker 4: Yeah, well right now we've got up there. I'd like
Speaker 4: I'd most like to know the real story behind dot
Speaker 4: dot dot deflate gate benching Malcolm Butler or Bill and Jordan.
Speaker 4: That leads us to our next guest.
Speaker 2: Luke decc is the columnist sports columnist for the Roleigh
Speaker 2: News and Observer who joins us on the program. Luke,
Speaker 2: good morning. What was your reaction when you watch the
Speaker 2: interview on Sunday Morning with Bill and his girlfriend? Uh?
Speaker 5: The fact that they put in the clip of her
Speaker 5: objecting to talking about their meet cute. Like, if you're
Speaker 5: in the business, right you massage sources and can we
Speaker 5: talk about there's a not a quick pro quote, but
Speaker 5: a negotiation that happens there and you know that stuff
Speaker 5: does not make it on screen. So the idea that
Speaker 5: they would show that and make it part of their
Speaker 5: interview suggests that, like their producers, whatever their limit is,
Speaker 5: she went so far across it. And imagine, like I
Speaker 5: love to think about the idea of UNC saying, oh no,
Speaker 5: we have another Jordan brand crisis.
Speaker 6: And here we are.
Speaker 5: He's not even wearing a UNC sweat shirt, right, He's
Speaker 5: wearing this navy T shirt or whatever it is with
Speaker 5: a hole in it.
Speaker 6: She's got a navy sweatshirt on.
Speaker 5: It's like, you're going to embarrass us and you can't
Speaker 5: even represent the brand right. So, I mean it's just like,
Speaker 5: even before we knew who she was or cared who
Speaker 5: she was, this whole thing has just been ludicrous. And
Speaker 5: now that we got into this sort of off field
Speaker 5: Instagram media polishing, whatever you want to call it, it's
Speaker 5: just like that, there's not a big enough tent to
Speaker 5: throw over the circus right now.
Speaker 2: What is your biggest can Let's just look at her role.
Speaker 2: You know, Bill is relinquished control, and he was a
Speaker 2: control freak when he coached, you know, in the NFL.
Speaker 2: And let's just look at it football wise. With this team.
Speaker 2: What concerns you here?
Speaker 5: Well, I mean that you know, they've got sort of
Speaker 5: a average level college staff. They've got room for all
Speaker 5: of his you know, his kids and Mike Lombardy's son
Speaker 5: is on the staff and former players. You know, I
Speaker 5: wrote that they're kind of looting Chapel Hill like Halibert
Speaker 5: and looted Baghdad.
Speaker 6: But the reality is you and c kind of asked
Speaker 6: him to do this.
Speaker 5: They gave him the giant bag of money. He's just
Speaker 5: spending it. It's just it's hard to portray yourself as
Speaker 5: the thirty third NFL team, like nobody's thought of this
Speaker 5: before when you've got all this other stuff going on,
Speaker 5: you know, and like, all right, they're going to practice
Speaker 5: without numbers on the jerseys, and it's like they're acting
Speaker 5: like they just invented the steam engine. And it's just like,
Speaker 5: you know, college football is not a sport that's lacked
Speaker 5: sort of innovation or coaching, introspection or over coaching, the
Speaker 5: idea that you're gonna come in and just be smarter
Speaker 5: than everyone else. We certainly haven't seen that bear fruit yet.
Speaker 5: You know, they lost their best defensive lineman into the portal.
Speaker 5: The quarterback they ended up buying in the portals from
Speaker 5: South Alabama. Look, he may be very good, you know,
Speaker 5: certainly cam Ward jumped up levels and other guys have,
Speaker 5: but you're still it's still South Alabama and just going
Speaker 5: up against now ACC future NFL cornerback. So there are
Speaker 5: a lot of sort of questions just on a football
Speaker 5: side of things, and there were from the moment he
Speaker 5: was hired. This is a program that hasn't won an
Speaker 5: ACC title in forty five years. Basically, the age gap
Speaker 5: between him and Jordan is how long it's been since
Speaker 5: they won an ACC title.
Speaker 2: You're killing it here, Luke, I like this at the
Speaker 2: are they going to do a Jordan brand logo with her?
Speaker 5: I think think My sense is, you know, they Athletic
Speaker 5: had a story today about how the hard Knocks thing fell,
Speaker 5: or really sort of the TikTok and not really a
Speaker 5: why or how, but sort of that the hard Knocks
Speaker 5: thing fell. Apart my senses, North Carolina has spent more
Speaker 5: man woman person hours on Jordan Hudson related issues in
Speaker 5: the last four months than they ever possibly could have expected. Lawyers,
Speaker 5: pr people, athletic department people. I mean, I wrote a story,
Speaker 5: a column a couple of weeks ago about they've got
Speaker 5: a dozen people listed on the UNC system staff payroll
Speaker 5: website who are identified as members of the football staff.
Speaker 5: This sort of Michael Lombardi's team, the GM office, the
Speaker 5: front office. They're all identify as football people on social media.
Speaker 5: UNC the athletics. They're not on the athletic department website.
Speaker 5: Their hirings have never been announced, and when I asked
Speaker 5: the athletic director's chief of staff what was going on,
Speaker 5: her response was, we're looking into it. So it's like
Speaker 5: Rocco Lampone building his secret regime and the Godfather nobody
Speaker 5: really knows what's going on. There's no oversight as far
Speaker 5: as anyone can tell. And this whole thing is kind
Speaker 5: of you know, it's like a Tesla on auto drive.
Speaker 5: You just don't know what it's going to hit first.
Speaker 2: Okay, the local media and their ability or bills availability
Speaker 2: to you is what.
Speaker 6: About what you'd expect.
Speaker 5: We talked to him before the start of spring practice,
Speaker 5: we talked to him when he was hired. As far
Speaker 5: as I know, maybe you know, Micha Lombardi has been
Speaker 5: available once on signing day. He spoke to the fans
Speaker 5: on their their spring game. They did practice like a
Speaker 5: pro like he used to do with the Patriots. He
Speaker 5: spoke to the fans, but not to the media.
Speaker 6: So it's it. You know, it took him.
Speaker 5: Two months to u unc his own internal podcast, so
Speaker 5: you know, even the the the stuff that the school
Speaker 5: wants him to do hasn't exactly been easy coming. But
Speaker 5: I think we all expected that, right Like this is
Speaker 5: there's no NFL access rules here. You're not required to
Speaker 5: meet after a OTA or a certain number. You know,
Speaker 5: he's it says in his contract he has to fulfill
Speaker 5: media responsibilities, but there's absolutely no way.
Speaker 6: To enforce that. So you know, we may not even
Speaker 6: who knows.
Speaker 5: We may not talk to him after practices in August,
Speaker 5: we may not talk to him after games. We may
Speaker 5: only talk to him after games. That that's all up
Speaker 5: in the air right now. It's it's but in that respect,
Speaker 5: it's sort of been what you expect.
Speaker 2: Is Luke Decock, he covers North Carolina football, He covers
Speaker 2: sports there in the Raleigh, North Carolina area, Raleigh News
Speaker 2: and observers sports columnists. I wanted to be fair to
Speaker 2: Belichick in this situation. If I was in the chair,
Speaker 2: I'm interviewing him, She's interrupting, like she is becoming part
Speaker 2: of the story. But the story is supposed to be.
Speaker 2: Belichick has written a book about winning football games, not
Speaker 2: about her. But when does she become fair game in
Speaker 2: this story, in the CBS story where you have to
Speaker 2: include her.
Speaker 5: That's a terrific question. And like I have not written
Speaker 5: about her, I have not written a column about her.
Speaker 5: I've mentioned her when he got hired. That is, you know,
Speaker 5: girlfriend was sitting with these trustees to sort of push
Speaker 5: this hire through because it you know, look, football coaches wives,
Speaker 5: and he coaches wive and he coaches husband if you
Speaker 5: want to, you know, they have an impact on these things.
Speaker 5: But like typically, you know, Mac Brown would always refer
Speaker 5: to you know, Sally and I made the decision to
Speaker 5: come back, and he genuinely believed that.
Speaker 6: It was a team partnership there.
Speaker 5: But you didn't get the sense that Sally was vetting
Speaker 5: his interviews or watching film at night. And you know,
Speaker 5: I mean, at this point, would anyone be shocked if
Speaker 5: Jordan Hudson posts on Instagram I'm so excited Bill has
Speaker 5: decided to switch to a bass nickel. This is going
Speaker 5: to be great for the football program.
Speaker 6: Like no, No one would at this point.
Speaker 5: So when you start to it, like as I mentioned earlier,
Speaker 5: UNC's brand is at stake here. They hired Bill Belichick
Speaker 5: to sell tickets and put butts in seats and eyeballs
Speaker 5: on screen as much as win football games. And when
Speaker 5: it becomes a side show, when your athletic department becomes
Speaker 5: a Jordan Hudson management program instead of a football program,
Speaker 5: that is when it becomes a story. And the fact
Speaker 5: that I haven't actually sort of put pen to paper
Speaker 5: yet is really a function of the fact that the
Speaker 5: Carolina Hurricanes are in the playoffs, and we had a
Speaker 5: double overtime game last night, and that's soaking up a
Speaker 5: lot of my attention. But the CBS News interview to me,
Speaker 5: where you start raising questions about what this meet cute
Speaker 5: that was supposedly established on the plane with the book,
Speaker 5: and now she's saying, we won't talk about that, and
Speaker 5: there are questions about, you know, who's actually in charge here.
Speaker 5: You know, I think that to me starts to cross
Speaker 5: that rubicon of this becomes a football issue. You know,
Speaker 5: can Bill Belichick focus on winning at a program that
Speaker 5: you know has come close so many times under Butch
Speaker 5: Davis and Larry Fedora and Mac Brown twice. If he's
Speaker 5: you know, promoting a book and doing all these other things,
Speaker 5: what's what's Bill Belichick's focus and what's her role in
Speaker 5: directing that focus? The fact that a football coach doesn't
Speaker 5: know what's on social media about him, as he claimed
Speaker 5: in the CBS. These guys care about what's on the
Speaker 5: monitors in the lunch room like they dictate every single
Speaker 5: aspect of a program. That's true in the pros, it's
Speaker 5: true in college. So there's a lot of sort of
Speaker 5: questions now that need answers, and to me, that's that's
Speaker 5: the line you cross, right, that becomes not writing about
Speaker 5: his personal life, which obviously there are people who write
Speaker 5: about his personal life for a living. But for me
Speaker 5: as a sports columnist, when it sort of gets into
Speaker 5: decision making and who's in charge and what does this
Speaker 5: mean for the football program, you know, there is a
Speaker 5: line that's crossed there.
Speaker 2: Would you rather sit down and interview Bill or his girlfriend?
Speaker 5: I would still like to know from Bill why you know?
Speaker 5: I asked him that at his initial press conference, at
Speaker 5: what point in your mind did you sort of switch
Speaker 5: from I this is how I would run my next
Speaker 5: NFL program to oh, how would I run a college program?
Speaker 5: It was literally the only good answer he gave him
Speaker 5: that entire press conference.
Speaker 6: But I want to know, like.
Speaker 5: What possesses you at this age with a young girlfriend
Speaker 5: who you guys seem to be having the time of
Speaker 5: your lives out there. You know, even if she's calling
Speaker 5: the shots, he seems to be, you know, seems to
Speaker 5: be working for him in that respect, Why would you
Speaker 5: want to take on a program that is, you know,
Speaker 5: at a basketball school that faces huge structural hurdles. I mean,
Speaker 5: there's a reason why neither North Carolina or NC State
Speaker 5: or Duke has won ACC title in football in thirty years,
Speaker 5: when they've won national titles and gone to final fours
Speaker 5: in literally every other sport women's lacrosse, field hockey, women's basketball, wrestling, swimming.
Speaker 5: All three schools have been in the final four the
Speaker 5: last five years in men's basketball. So football has been
Speaker 5: this outlier. And we can go on forever about why
Speaker 5: that is. It has to do with so many football
Speaker 5: programs in a state, plus Tennessee and South.
Speaker 6: Carolina and Clemson all skimming the cream off the top.
Speaker 5: But the reality is, why would you take that on.
Speaker 5: You have a very good life, wait for an NFL
Speaker 5: job to open up, be a GM, you know, write
Speaker 5: books about how you're the greatest winner and greatest leader ever.
Speaker 5: Don't go to this perennial sleeping giant football program. And
Speaker 5: plus maybe you know, maybe if someone offered me this
Speaker 5: much money to do it, I would to.
Speaker 2: Over under one and a half years for Belichick at
Speaker 2: North Carolina under.
Speaker 6: I thought you're gonna say wins. Oh, that was gonna
Speaker 6: push me.
Speaker 2: That's quick answer there, Luke.
Speaker 5: It's gonna be a beautiful disaster. Dan like a monkey
Speaker 5: flying of seven thirty. We all know how it's going
Speaker 5: to end, but we don't know how we're going to
Speaker 5: get there.
Speaker 2: How about a round of applause for Luke's appearance. Thank you, Luke,
Speaker 2: appreciate it. Thank you Luke Decock. He is columnist for
Speaker 2: the Raleigh News and Observer. He had it gone, well, yeah,
Speaker 2: I had some lines there. Yeah. At some point she
Speaker 2: became the story. She didn't want to be the story.
Speaker 2: She became the story. And that's why, you know, when
Speaker 2: people will respond on social media, you know, what's this
Speaker 2: have to do with Belichick or the football team or
Speaker 2: his book. She made it. She made it part of
Speaker 2: the story. You can't ignore that. I wouldn't have ignored that.
Speaker 2: If I sat down with Belichick and the first thing
Speaker 2: I would say is why are you wearing a Navy
Speaker 2: sweatshirt like that? That would have been it's right there
Speaker 2: right in front of me. You represent North Carolina. You
Speaker 2: want product placement. I would think at all reminding people
Speaker 2: I'm at North Carolina. But and I can guarantee you
Speaker 2: North Carolina wants that too. They're like, wait, what's he
Speaker 2: got on? He's got a Navy sweatshirt?
Speaker 7: On.
Speaker 2: But if she's interrupting, and she's doing that, you know, repeatedly.
Speaker 2: Now she's made herself part of the story, whether she
Speaker 2: wanted to or not. But she's in there watching the monitor,
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, she's just waiting to
Speaker 2: go I object, No, we're not talking about that. And
Speaker 2: by all accounts, she was interrupting a few times. Now
Speaker 2: you've made yourself part of the story. Because Bill suddenly
Speaker 2: can't answer questions on his own. It's not a good look.
Speaker 2: It was embarrassing. I think for Bill, he's waiting for
Speaker 2: somebody to tell him can I no, you can't. And
Speaker 2: he doesn't even know about social media these pictures that
Speaker 2: he posed for.
Speaker 4: I love love, but I don't love love that much. Yes, sEH,
Speaker 4: but he's lying about some of that. I get that
Speaker 4: the whole. Like, you know, insta face or snap book
Speaker 4: or whatever. That joke was funny about twenty years ago.
Speaker 4: Everybody knows what social media is.
Speaker 8: Now.
Speaker 4: My grandmother is on it, you know, like she's like, hey,
Speaker 4: you check your IG. Everybody knows what it is. He's
Speaker 4: just trying to do like that cheap tired joke. Folksy,
Speaker 4: you think he's trying to be funny here.
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 4: I think he's trying to be funny and like too cool,
Speaker 4: Like I don't even follow that stuff. Yes, you do, dude,
Speaker 4: you know exactly what everyone's talking about.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I know he's a genius in the
Speaker 2: Insta snap book.
Speaker 6: What is it again? I don't don't even know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, that joke was good forever ago. Well, Luke
Speaker 2: was quick to say, over under one and a half
Speaker 2: seasons and he was taking the under there all right,
Speaker 2: I'll get phone calls. There's prop beds by the way
Speaker 2: on Bill and his girlfriend and the football program.
Speaker 4: Which lasts longer his time at North Carolina or that relationship.
Speaker 2: Wow, yeah, I said it. Yeah, you did our two
Speaker 2: pole question. Bang bang. I mean, my youngest daughter is
Speaker 2: twenty six. If my daughter brought home some dude who's
Speaker 2: seventy three or seventy four, I I'd lose it. I'd
Speaker 2: be like, no, no, no, no, see you, Hey, Graham's
Speaker 2: get the hell out of here. I don't care who
Speaker 2: you are. I don't care. He'd be older than you. Yes,
Speaker 2: he would be like, oh my god, d dude, you
Speaker 2: know that's stuff like what are you doing? That's that stuff?
Speaker 2: Would you question yourself at that point and be like, what, yes,
Speaker 2: what did I do? Yes? I would. I would talk
Speaker 2: to my daughter and say, Molly, where did I go wrong?
Speaker 3: Hun?
Speaker 2: Why do you hate me so much? And where? Oh
Speaker 2: did I go so wrong? See you? When you put
Speaker 2: it in, you know, we look at it and go
Speaker 2: all right, he got a twenty four year old girlfriend.
Speaker 2: Then you look at it, you know, as a father,
Speaker 2: and you're going, wait, mant, I got a twenty four
Speaker 2: year old daughter, Todd, how old is your daughter? She twenty?
Speaker 2: She just turned twenty, so I think they met when
Speaker 2: she was twenty one. So your daughter next year brings
Speaker 2: home Bill Belichick.
Speaker 3: Well you let me wear the Super Bowl rigs?
Speaker 9: Right?
Speaker 3: You have to think about it.
Speaker 10: Now.
Speaker 3: That's very very weird.
Speaker 2: It is. It is. It's weird. But if you win
Speaker 2: football games, that's all anybody's gonna care about. But when
Speaker 2: you don't, they're coming after you. Coach, Coach, tell us
Speaker 2: about to come back again, tell us tell us about Okay, Atlanta? Right,
Speaker 2: who makes the decision there to keep going to Jamed one.
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Speaker 2: Charles Barkley In an hour, We'll talk to Ross Tucker
Speaker 2: here momentarily. Bet online has some prop bets for Bill Belichick,
Speaker 2: including will Bill and his girlfriend break up in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty five? What happens first they get engaged? Who is
Speaker 2: no longer the head coach? Also, let's see what will
Speaker 2: the next Instagram photo feature be Belichick and cut off sleeves,
Speaker 2: Bill in a suit, his girlfriend showing her belly button,
Speaker 2: or Belichick in a ripped shirt. There's also this one
Speaker 2: what will Bill do next? Get a tattoo, Duya's hair blonde,
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Speaker 3: Ross.
Speaker 2: First question, what's Bill Belichick doing?
Speaker 10: Dan, I have no idea. I mean, if you would
Speaker 10: have told me or any of us that played for
Speaker 10: the Patriots that at some day he'd be doing an
Speaker 10: interview and there would be anyone, you know, I mean,
Speaker 10: anyone forget it being a howd Olgi is twenty four
Speaker 10: year old young woman, anyone to the side kind of
Speaker 10: telling him what to say, what not to say, what
Speaker 10: topics they can talk about, what they can't. That is
Speaker 10: not the guy that we played for Now, that was
Speaker 10: a long time ago. That was two thousand and five,
Speaker 10: two thousand and six for me, So it's like twenty
Speaker 10: years ago. But it's very, very surprising to see someone
Speaker 10: else having this level of control and or involvement with
Speaker 10: what coach Belichick does.
Speaker 2: How much of a control freak was he when you
Speaker 2: were in New England?
Speaker 3: Well, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 10: On scale one to ten, he was a twenty you know.
Speaker 10: I mean picture this, Dan'll you'll appreciate this. Okay, two
Speaker 10: stories I'll tell you about Belichick and his desire for control.
Speaker 10: Every morning he would walk on the treadmill Incline, and
Speaker 10: he would read the clips of everything that was said
Speaker 10: about the Patriots and everything that was said about the opponent.
Speaker 10: And then the first time you meet with the media
Speaker 10: as a player is Wednesday at lunch. So in the
Speaker 10: Wednesday morning team meeting, he would tell you exactly what
Speaker 10: the storylines were for the week, what questions you were
Speaker 10: gonna be asked, and what your response was to be.
Speaker 10: So we played Jacksonville in the five wildcard round and
Speaker 10: was gonna be really cold in Foxborough. So the first
Speaker 10: thing he said, he said, they're all gonna ask you
Speaker 10: about the weather. Weather's no factor. It's the same for
Speaker 10: both teams. I mean, he was by far the most
Speaker 10: conscious of and involved in media relations of any coach
Speaker 10: I was ever with, which I thought was fascinating that
Speaker 10: he cared that much. I didn't really understand why he
Speaker 10: cared that much, but he micro managed any comments that
Speaker 10: any players made to the media. So it's really interesting
Speaker 10: that now see him on the kind of wearing the
Speaker 10: other shoe, and now he's the one more or less
Speaker 10: being Mike were managed with these media interviews.
Speaker 2: He's Ross Tucker and the Ross Tucker Football podcast also
Speaker 2: calls games for CBS Westwood One and you can check
Speaker 2: him out on social media at Ross Tucker NFL. Let's
Speaker 2: look at the draft here. How should Travis Hunter be
Speaker 2: used his rookie year?
Speaker 10: That is the million dollar question. I love that the
Speaker 10: Jaguars went up to get him, but you can't move
Speaker 10: up and give up that many assets unless he is
Speaker 10: going to play both ways and you feel like you
Speaker 10: have a good plan for him to play both ways.
Speaker 10: I know you know, Dan, I did that Colorado Colorado
Speaker 10: State game last year for CBS. I'm on record on
Speaker 10: my show and elsewhere are saying he's the best college
Speaker 10: football player I've ever seen so forty plus years of
Speaker 10: watching college football. You know what the uptempo offenses, he
Speaker 10: was playing over one hundred and twenty snaps a game.
Speaker 10: That is just nuts. And I' fascinated to see whether
Speaker 10: or not he can play both at nearly as high
Speaker 10: of a level in the NFL.
Speaker 3: He has the chance.
Speaker 10: I'm not gonna do the whole James Gladstone thing where like,
Speaker 10: you know, a belief in football, and I'm not gonna
Speaker 10: give you the speech that the Jaguars GM gave, but
Speaker 10: he has the potential to be like the Steph Curry
Speaker 10: of football. Dan, You know how you go to like
Speaker 10: a sixth grade cyo basketball game now and these kids
Speaker 10: are all shooting like twenty five foot threes because of
Speaker 10: Steph Curry. If Travis Hunter can do this, all these
Speaker 10: five star recruits are gonna tell Ohio State and Alabama.
Speaker 10: I want to play both ways. I want to be
Speaker 10: on both sides of ball. I mean, this guy might
Speaker 10: change the sport. The interesting thing in particular with Jacksonville,
Speaker 10: would you rather have a guy that's very good at
Speaker 10: two positions or elite at one? And everybody agrees that
Speaker 10: you're better off being a full time corner and a
Speaker 10: part time receiver, But most people will also tell you
Speaker 10: he's further along as a receiver. I think the Jags
Speaker 10: needed a corner more than anything else. I think he's
Speaker 10: a full time corner and they already have Brian Thomas
Speaker 10: from last year. He'll be a part time receiver who
Speaker 10: I think they feel like they'll get a lot of
Speaker 10: value out of.
Speaker 2: Clearly, but I think that considering what they gave up
Speaker 2: to go get him, he has to play both positions,
Speaker 2: like I have to get a show. Heyo Tani out there.
Speaker 2: I have to have people who show up and they
Speaker 2: want to see him as a receiver and a defensive back.
Speaker 2: I think that's lost in a lot of people in
Speaker 2: how they assess this and like, hey, I love him.
Speaker 2: I think he's great, But I also am in the
Speaker 2: entertainment business. I got to have him out there playing
Speaker 2: both both sides of the ball.
Speaker 3: There's no doubt.
Speaker 10: And of course he's from Georgia, played high school ball
Speaker 10: in Florida, so he's got the connections down there as well.
Speaker 10: I think that's how the Jaguars look at it. Number one,
Speaker 10: he gives them a tremendous amount of buzz with the
Speaker 10: new regime from a business perspective. But number two, I
Speaker 10: think what they would tell you, Dan is yes, we
Speaker 10: gave up next year's first round pick. Guess what next
Speaker 10: year's first round pick is Travis Hunter the cornerback. This
Speaker 10: year's first round pick was Travis Hunter the receiver. I
Speaker 10: truly believe that that's how they look.
Speaker 2: At Okay, all right, give me your theory on Shador
Speaker 2: Sanders slide.
Speaker 3: Well, there's a couple of things there.
Speaker 10: Number one, I think the biggest thing then, and you
Speaker 10: know this, like the way you conduct yourself, the way
Speaker 10: you treat people, it matters, right. I haven't talked about
Speaker 10: this that much just because I don't think it's that
Speaker 10: big a deal. But it's a it's a small story, right.
Speaker 10: So last year, I think you know, I did that
Speaker 10: Colorado Colorado State game for CBS. I referenced it with Hunter, right,
Speaker 10: But I was doing Bills Dolphins on radio Thursday night
Speaker 10: for Westwood One. But I wanted to make sure I
Speaker 10: was locked in for the TV game. I flew out
Speaker 10: on Tuesday night to Denver. I was told that I
Speaker 10: could talk to Shador after Wednesday's practice for Colorado. I
Speaker 10: go to the practice, I'm in Boulder. After the practice,
Speaker 10: I'm told, well, he got banged up against Nebraska. He
Speaker 10: needs to get treatment. Can't meet with you, but he'll
Speaker 10: meet with you Friday at the production meeting. Okay, no problem,
Speaker 10: Go to Buffalo, do the game. Flyback Friday production meeting.
Speaker 10: We talked to Dion, he was great. The coordinators no Shador.
Speaker 10: We weren't really given a reason, but we did not
Speaker 10: talk to Shador at the production meetings, which, as you know,
Speaker 10: starting quarterback, especially a high profile player like that, very unusual.
Speaker 10: I walk out of the hotel and there's a pickup
Speaker 10: truck in front of the hotel, and Shador is just
Speaker 10: sitting in the back of the pickup truck.
Speaker 3: And I kind of regret not going.
Speaker 10: Up to him and just saying introducing myself, Hey, sh
Speaker 10: I'm Ross's nice to meet you, or or ask him
Speaker 10: why he didn't do the production meeting. But it just
Speaker 10: made me wonder, Dan, Like people asked me NFL people
Speaker 10: asked me after that game, what did you think of Shador?
Speaker 10: And I said, I didn't get to talk to him.
Speaker 10: Maybe he's the greatest kid ever. Maybe he's a bad kid.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 10: But I told them the story and they just kind
Speaker 10: of nodded their head, and it just made me wonder, Dan,
Speaker 10: how many stories are there like that in which Shador
Speaker 10: did things that were not customary, He did things non traditionally.
Speaker 10: It certainly seems like that was the deal with a
Speaker 10: lot of the combine interviews and meetings with teams, and
Speaker 10: especially at that position, I think it makes them very
Speaker 10: nervous that already in college he was getting out of
Speaker 10: things that you're supposed to be doing. What's he going
Speaker 10: to be like if he's a first round pick in
Speaker 10: the NFL draft.
Speaker 2: But if he had cam Ward's talent, would we be
Speaker 2: overlooking all of this?
Speaker 10: If he had cam Ward's talent, he would have been
Speaker 10: a first round pick. I think that the Titans would
Speaker 10: have taken cam Ward instead of him, meaning the intangibles,
Speaker 10: the way he carries himself, that stuff matters. But if
Speaker 10: he was that talented, I believe the Browns at two,
Speaker 10: the Giants at three, they would have taken him. Because also,
Speaker 10: that's the other part of this. You're okay with having
Speaker 10: that level of attention if it's your top five pick,
Speaker 10: your starting quarterback. That goes along with that. Once the
Speaker 10: Giants decided they liked Dart more than Shador and the
Speaker 10: Saints decide they liked Shuck more than Shaudor, which, by
Speaker 10: the way, a lot of people came on my show,
Speaker 10: The Roslucker Podcast and said they had Dart ahead of
Speaker 10: Shador or they had Shuck ahead of Shador, So I
Speaker 10: can leave with those. But once those three teams made
Speaker 10: that decision, then he was only gonna get drafted to
Speaker 10: be a backup. And we know this from Kaepernick from Tebow.
Speaker 10: Nobody wants the most high profile player on the team
Speaker 10: to be the backup quarterback. Nobody wants a lightning rod
Speaker 10: polarizing backup quarterback. I gotta tell you, Dan, no, I
Speaker 10: have no proof of this. I'm convinced that Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 10: told the Steelers, hey, I'm coming, I'll play for you,
Speaker 10: but don't take this Anders kids, because Aaron doesn't want
Speaker 10: to deal with that. Aaron doesn't want the first time
Speaker 10: he has a bad game, people calling for the Steelers
Speaker 10: to put you Dorsanders in.
Speaker 3: Whether he said something.
Speaker 10: Or not, I will believe forever that Aaron Rodgers made
Speaker 10: it known to the Steelers he did not want you
Speaker 10: dor Sanders in that quarterback room. And I have to
Speaker 10: deal with that and what might be his last year
Speaker 10: in the NFL.
Speaker 2: I'll leave you with this. And the more I've thought
Speaker 2: about it, the more I'm surprised at this. They didn't
Speaker 2: have an agent for Shador. You have Dion, who is
Speaker 2: a big cheerleader for his son. His son is listening
Speaker 2: to his dad pump him up. His dad during Super
Speaker 2: Bowl week is talking about I've talked to teams and hey,
Speaker 2: I might be steering him in a different direction here.
Speaker 2: All of this is going going on. There's nobody really
Speaker 2: to tell him what reality is because you're there at
Speaker 2: Colorado with your dad, You're driving an expensive car, you
Speaker 2: get to do what you want, Like, that's not reality.
Speaker 2: This is reality when you go to talk somebody and
Speaker 2: they want to know who you are, not who your
Speaker 2: dad is. They want to know can you do this?
Speaker 2: What am I getting here as a person. And that's
Speaker 2: what really surprises me that it doesn't sound like somebody
Speaker 2: was there to be that voice who was going to
Speaker 2: be the contrarian to say, hey, you didn't interview. Well, hey,
Speaker 2: this is what I'm hearing, because I think reporters were
Speaker 2: really nervous of giving the true story of what was
Speaker 2: going on, because I think you had one who came out,
Speaker 2: maybe it was Todd McShay, and all of a sudden
Speaker 2: it's like, hey, I'm hearing he had a bad interview,
Speaker 2: and the blowback was, oh, now we're coming out and
Speaker 2: going after shador I even said it on the show.
Speaker 2: It feels like there was this smear campaign going on
Speaker 2: quietly and then all of a sudden it start. Now
Speaker 2: it's coming to the surface. But I kept thinking, where
Speaker 2: is this coming from? And then we finally found out
Speaker 2: there are some people attaching their names to what was
Speaker 2: going on. I'm just amazed they didn't have somebody who
Speaker 2: was going to play the bad cop to everybody's good
Speaker 2: cop in this situation.
Speaker 10: Well, and not only that, Dan, you just made a
Speaker 10: fantastic point, because every guy with an agent, they get
Speaker 10: prepped for the Combine interviews.
Speaker 3: So not only is.
Speaker 10: It the part where he could have had someone to
Speaker 10: tell him the truth after the interviews or during the
Speaker 10: pre draft process, it's pretty clear nobody told him how
Speaker 10: to conduct himself in those interviews, and he failed them miserably.
Speaker 10: I mean, I've had people say that he went into
Speaker 10: those interviews Dan as if he had the leverage right,
Speaker 10: as if he was in control of the situation.
Speaker 3: Boy, that does not go over real.
Speaker 10: Well, yeah, those guys imagine being you interview one hundred
Speaker 10: guys at the Combine. Only one of them acts like
Speaker 10: a you know what, doesn't stink and acts like he
Speaker 10: can control and say whatever he wants to say. He
Speaker 10: didn't have someone to prep him properly for those interviews,
Speaker 10: and it cost him dearly. I mean, we learned this
Speaker 10: spring how important the pre draft process is for quarterbacks,
Speaker 10: especially with seeing I mean, Queen youwers and these guys
Speaker 10: going down, chucking, Gabriel going up. What you do in
Speaker 10: the spring, Yes, after the season, it matters.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, I'm just I was told that that there
Speaker 2: was just a scenario where Shador made the person people
Speaker 2: interviewing him feel like you got to recruit me. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like I I'm not sure if I want to go
Speaker 2: to your team. Why don't you tell me why I
Speaker 2: want to go to your team? There was that sense
Speaker 2: of entitlement. Now that was one situation. I don't know
Speaker 2: what happened elsewhere, but you're right, it does play. It
Speaker 2: did play a pretty big role here. Great to talk
Speaker 2: to you as always, Thanks for joining.
Speaker 3: Us, of course, great, see you, Thank you man.
Speaker 2: That's Ross Tucker, CBS Sports, Westwood One, College Football, NFL
Speaker 2: analyst and host of the Ross Tucker Football Podcast. Will
Speaker 2: take a break, poll results coming up. We'll get to
Speaker 2: your phone calls Charles Barkley next hour.
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Speaker 2: Ross Tucker brought up some interesting things. You know, when
Speaker 2: you get that first hand information that you're waiting to
Speaker 2: interview Shador. You were told he was going to be
Speaker 2: available and then he wasn't. You were told he was
Speaker 2: going to be available, then he wasn't. It just felt
Speaker 2: like you're not living in what is reality because you're
Speaker 2: on scholarship in more ways than one at Colorado. And
Speaker 2: I've said this before, We've never had him on the show.
Speaker 2: I've never spoken to him. We have asked if he
Speaker 2: wanted to come on the show, but you know, you
Speaker 2: go to the NFL. That's why when they people are
Speaker 2: trying to lump this in with Colin Kaepernick, Kaepernick was
Speaker 2: completely different. It should not be mentioned. And they say
Speaker 2: it's collusion. It's not collusion. They I think everybody realized
Speaker 2: that this is not somebody you want to bring in
Speaker 2: unless he is a bonafide superstar. If he's going to
Speaker 2: be your guy and he's going to be your franchise quarterback,
Speaker 2: that's different. But if he's going to be the backup
Speaker 2: or the third quarterback, that's where you're getting questions constantly.
Speaker 2: And Kevin Stefanski's going to get this in Cleveland, Joe
Speaker 2: Flacco struggles or Kenny Pickett struggles or when is shador
Speaker 2: going to play. I mean, this is going to happen
Speaker 2: the entire when's he gonna play? Why is he playing?
Speaker 2: Who gives you a better chance? Can you pick at
Speaker 2: or shoot? Or You're gonna face these questions here? But
Speaker 2: when you go into an interview and you're sitting with
Speaker 2: grown ups and you're not used to be in this situation, like,
Speaker 2: explain this play to me? What happened on that interception
Speaker 2: you threw? He didn't want to talk about it. He
Speaker 2: didn't want to take blame the nil you got money.
Speaker 2: You're driving around in a two hundred thousand dollars car.
Speaker 2: These guys are talking to me. Yeah, all right, Well
Speaker 2: they better tell me some good things because you know,
Speaker 2: I'll go elsewhere. It felt like it was probably a
Speaker 2: recruiting type feel for him. All right, A couple of
Speaker 2: phone calls in here. Let's see Sue in Denver. Hi, Sue,
Speaker 2: what's on your mind?
Speaker 9: Good morning, DPOs, Good morning Dennette.
Speaker 7: Hey.
Speaker 9: I was just a hate to circle back on this,
Speaker 9: but just referencing and going back to the dock Rivers
Speaker 9: debacle this morning. I was listening to it and he
Speaker 9: kind of sounds a little bit like Kevin Harlan. So
Speaker 9: I was wondering if maybe Kevin Harlan could interview Doc
Speaker 9: on his chances of staying with Milwaukee.
Speaker 2: Okay, well let's see. Let's go down to Kevin Harlan,
Speaker 2: who is standing by with Doc Rivers. Doc, you've lost
Speaker 2: many playoff games. We all know the Clipper saga, and
Speaker 2: now it happened again.
Speaker 3: What is going on with you in playoff games?
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I gotta do better.
Speaker 6: I gotta do better.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna put it on my team.
Speaker 3: I gotta be a better coach. I don't they give
Speaker 3: me a chance to come back next year. I love
Speaker 3: those guys.
Speaker 2: Excellent this TNT. Thank you Kevin, and Doc wants to
Speaker 2: talk about it. Thank you, Tom. Your your head is
Speaker 2: all red.
Speaker 3: They got to feel a little lightheaded.
Speaker 2: Actually. Raymond in California, Hi, Raymond, good morning. What's on
Speaker 2: your mind?
Speaker 8: You're going my first time call them six to eighty pounds.
Speaker 8: I just want to talk about the Bill Belichick. I
Speaker 8: want to come to his defense.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 8: Look, Bill Belichick is in his seventies and he has
Speaker 8: a twenty four year old girlfriend. How many older men
Speaker 8: out there pretty much really date women in their own
Speaker 8: age brackets not too many. So I have no problem
Speaker 8: with Bill Belichick dating a twenty four years O.
Speaker 2: No, no, But Raymond, you're missing the point. Yes, there are
Speaker 2: men who date much younger women, absolutely, but this has
Speaker 2: to do with the control of a football program, his career.
Speaker 2: This is a business. Like if you're a billionaire and
Speaker 2: you're dating somebody younger, is she running your company? Well
Speaker 2: that's the situation you have with Bill Belichick and his girlfriend.
Speaker 2: By all accounts, she is in giving the appearance running
Speaker 2: the show here. She's telling him what he can and
Speaker 2: cannot say. That's why this is a little more than
Speaker 2: a guy dating somebody fifty years younger than him.
Speaker 8: Okay, I don't think so I saw it to do it.
Speaker 8: Just because she said, look, we're not talking about that.
Speaker 8: That's just something maybe they just did not want to discussions,
Speaker 8: doesn't mean that she's running him. I don't think she's
Speaker 8: running him. She just didn't want to talk about it.
Speaker 8: And and Bill Belichick is a good coach, and I'm
Speaker 8: gonna watch all of his UNC games and they don't
Speaker 8: have no.
Speaker 2: I'm watching too. But and thank you, Raymond. She interrupted
Speaker 2: the interview multiple times. She delayed the interview. This is
Speaker 2: according to CBS, she delayed it thirty minutes, so she
Speaker 2: made it about herself while trying not to make it
Speaker 2: about herself. And if you're gonna post photos of you
Speaker 2: posing on the beach as a mermaid and he's the
Speaker 2: Morton salt guy, people are gonna ask those questions. And
Speaker 2: then when she says, we're not talking about it, Morton Saltly,
Speaker 2: this is real life. Yes, she's got him coseplaying. What
Speaker 2: do you want me to dress up like today? Yes?
Speaker 2: And I get it all right, I'll do that. You
Speaker 2: want me to be a fisherman?
Speaker 3: Sure? In our privacy?
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you put those pictures out, people are gonna
Speaker 2: ask about it. And if you interrupt the conversation. Numerous
Speaker 2: times I would have said, either be in the interview
Speaker 2: or be out of the interview room. I wasn't planning
Speaker 2: on watching that interview, but then I was like, can't
Speaker 2: stop thinking about it? And you wear a navy sweatshirt.
Speaker 2: You're the North Carolina head coach. Could it have gone
Speaker 2: any worse than it did? Charles Barkley Final Hour