WEBVTT - Hour 2 – Luke DeCock, Ross Tucker

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<v Speaker 1>You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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<v Speaker 1>Sports Radio Howard two.

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<v Speaker 2>On this Wednesday, Dan and the Dan Ants Dan Patrick Show,

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<v Speaker 2>our good buddy Ross Tucker will stop my Charles Barkley

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<v Speaker 2>will join us as well. We will check in with

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<v Speaker 2>the North Carolina football team following the interview this Sunday

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<v Speaker 2>with Bill Belichick and a little bit of his girlfriend

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<v Speaker 2>there as well. Pacers close out the Bucks. The drama

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<v Speaker 2>was late in the game and then after the game,

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<v Speaker 2>which we discussed with Tyre's Halliburton's dad confronting Yannis. Piston's

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<v Speaker 2>still alive. Celtic's close out the Magic and the Nuggets

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<v Speaker 2>beat the Clippers. Tonight, Warriors at the Rockets. That's Game five.

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<v Speaker 2>Timberwolves are five and a half point underdogs at the Lakers.

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<v Speaker 2>I think Golden State might be an underdog tonight. They're

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<v Speaker 2>a four point underdog against the Rockets. We did talk

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit about the teams that were eliminated, certainly

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<v Speaker 2>with the Bucks, and the future of Yannis in Milwaukee.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's a question that has to be asked

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<v Speaker 2>to Yannis, and I think that was asked to him.

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<v Speaker 2>He's not going to answer anything. I'm talking about ownership management,

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<v Speaker 2>talking to him what does he want to do, because

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<v Speaker 2>he might say, I want to stay here, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>continue to build around me. I'm thirty years of age,

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<v Speaker 2>I still have five you know, great years that we

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<v Speaker 2>can still win another championship. I mean that would be

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<v Speaker 2>the mindset. Now he might say and extend me too,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you might go, do we want to do that?

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<v Speaker 2>He's got one more year with Milwaukee and he's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be really expensive.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's you know, we talk about these contracts where

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<v Speaker 2>like Miles Garrett got forty million dollars. Now, if I'm Cleveland,

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<v Speaker 2>I would have said, no, we can't give him forty million.

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<v Speaker 2>We're not winning anything. It's like Pittsburgh with TJ. Watt.

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<v Speaker 2>He's going to want forty million dollars a year, and

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<v Speaker 2>then you have to say, are we close to winning?

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<v Speaker 2>So certain guys earn a raise, but you have to

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<v Speaker 2>also put it in the context of do we want

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<v Speaker 2>to pay that? You might be worthy of that, but

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<v Speaker 2>do we want to pay that? Cleveland with Miles Garrett,

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't have done that. I would have made this

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<v Speaker 2>a complete rebuild because they are an old team. You're

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<v Speaker 2>going to have a quarterback who's forty, who might be

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<v Speaker 2>your starting quarterback in Joe Flacco. You know your wide receivers,

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<v Speaker 2>your running back. Everybody was older, and all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 2>you want to give Miles Garrett that kind of money.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll talk about the Shador Sanders situation. There's some more

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<v Speaker 2>Carolina football program.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well right now we've got up there. I'd like

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<v Speaker 4>I'd most like to know the real story behind dot

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<v Speaker 4>dot dot deflate gate benching Malcolm Butler or Bill and Jordan.

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<v Speaker 4>That leads us to our next guest.

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<v Speaker 2>Luke decc is the columnist sports columnist for the Roleigh

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<v Speaker 2>News and Observer who joins us on the program. Luke,

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<v Speaker 2>good morning. What was your reaction when you watch the

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<v Speaker 2>interview on Sunday Morning with Bill and his girlfriend? Uh?

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<v Speaker 5>The fact that they put in the clip of her

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<v Speaker 5>objecting to talking about their meet cute. Like, if you're

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<v Speaker 5>in the business, right you massage sources and can we

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<v Speaker 5>talk about there's a not a quick pro quote, but

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<v Speaker 5>a negotiation that happens there and you know that stuff

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<v Speaker 5>does not make it on screen. So the idea that

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<v Speaker 5>they would show that and make it part of their

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<v Speaker 5>interview suggests that, like their producers, whatever their limit is,

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<v Speaker 5>she went so far across it. And imagine, like I

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<v Speaker 5>love to think about the idea of UNC saying, oh no,

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<v Speaker 5>we have another Jordan brand crisis.

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<v Speaker 6>And here we are.

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<v Speaker 5>He's not even wearing a UNC sweat shirt, right, He's

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<v Speaker 5>wearing this navy T shirt or whatever it is with

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<v Speaker 5>a hole in it.

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<v Speaker 6>She's got a navy sweatshirt on.

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<v Speaker 5>It's like, you're going to embarrass us and you can't

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<v Speaker 5>even represent the brand right. So, I mean it's just like,

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<v Speaker 5>even before we knew who she was or cared who

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<v Speaker 5>she was, this whole thing has just been ludicrous. And

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<v Speaker 5>now that we got into this sort of off field

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<v Speaker 5>Instagram media polishing, whatever you want to call it, it's

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<v Speaker 5>just like that, there's not a big enough tent to

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<v Speaker 5>throw over the circus right now.

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<v Speaker 2>What is your biggest can Let's just look at her role.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Bill is relinquished control, and he was a

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<v Speaker 2>control freak when he coached, you know, in the NFL.

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<v Speaker 2>And let's just look at it football wise. With this team.

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<v Speaker 2>What concerns you here?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I mean that you know, they've got sort of

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<v Speaker 5>a average level college staff. They've got room for all

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<v Speaker 5>of his you know, his kids and Mike Lombardy's son

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<v Speaker 5>is on the staff and former players. You know, I

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<v Speaker 5>wrote that they're kind of looting Chapel Hill like Halibert

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<v Speaker 5>and looted Baghdad.

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<v Speaker 6>But the reality is you and c kind of asked

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<v Speaker 6>him to do this.

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<v Speaker 5>They gave him the giant bag of money. He's just

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<v Speaker 5>spending it. It's just it's hard to portray yourself as

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<v Speaker 5>the thirty third NFL team, like nobody's thought of this

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<v Speaker 5>before when you've got all this other stuff going on,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, and like, all right, they're going to practice

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<v Speaker 5>without numbers on the jerseys, and it's like they're acting

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<v Speaker 5>like they just invented the steam engine. And it's just like,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, college football is not a sport that's lacked

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<v Speaker 5>sort of innovation or coaching, introspection or over coaching, the

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<v Speaker 5>idea that you're gonna come in and just be smarter

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<v Speaker 5>than everyone else. We certainly haven't seen that bear fruit yet.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, they lost their best defensive lineman into the portal.

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<v Speaker 5>The quarterback they ended up buying in the portals from

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<v Speaker 5>South Alabama. Look, he may be very good, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>certainly cam Ward jumped up levels and other guys have,

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<v Speaker 5>but you're still it's still South Alabama and just going

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<v Speaker 5>up against now ACC future NFL cornerback. So there are

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<v Speaker 5>a lot of sort of questions just on a football

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<v Speaker 5>side of things, and there were from the moment he

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<v Speaker 5>was hired. This is a program that hasn't won an

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<v Speaker 5>ACC title in forty five years. Basically, the age gap

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<v Speaker 5>between him and Jordan is how long it's been since

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<v Speaker 5>they won an ACC title.

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<v Speaker 2>You're killing it here, Luke, I like this at the

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<v Speaker 2>are they going to do a Jordan brand logo with her?

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<v Speaker 5>I think think My sense is, you know, they Athletic

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<v Speaker 5>had a story today about how the hard Knocks thing fell,

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<v Speaker 5>or really sort of the TikTok and not really a

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<v Speaker 5>why or how, but sort of that the hard Knocks

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<v Speaker 5>thing fell. Apart my senses, North Carolina has spent more

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<v Speaker 5>man woman person hours on Jordan Hudson related issues in

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<v Speaker 5>the last four months than they ever possibly could have expected. Lawyers,

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<v Speaker 5>pr people, athletic department people. I mean, I wrote a story,

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<v Speaker 5>a column a couple of weeks ago about they've got

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<v Speaker 5>a dozen people listed on the UNC system staff payroll

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<v Speaker 5>website who are identified as members of the football staff.

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<v Speaker 5>This sort of Michael Lombardi's team, the GM office, the

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<v Speaker 5>front office. They're all identify as football people on social media.

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<v Speaker 5>UNC the athletics. They're not on the athletic department website.

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<v Speaker 5>Their hirings have never been announced, and when I asked

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<v Speaker 5>the athletic director's chief of staff what was going on,

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<v Speaker 5>her response was, we're looking into it. So it's like

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<v Speaker 5>Rocco Lampone building his secret regime and the Godfather nobody

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<v Speaker 5>really knows what's going on. There's no oversight as far

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<v Speaker 5>as anyone can tell. And this whole thing is kind

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<v Speaker 5>of you know, it's like a Tesla on auto drive.

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<v Speaker 5>You just don't know what it's going to hit first.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, the local media and their ability or bills availability

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<v Speaker 2>to you is what.

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<v Speaker 6>About what you'd expect.

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<v Speaker 5>We talked to him before the start of spring practice,

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<v Speaker 5>we talked to him when he was hired. As far

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<v Speaker 5>as I know, maybe you know, Micha Lombardi has been

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<v Speaker 5>available once on signing day. He spoke to the fans

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<v Speaker 5>on their their spring game. They did practice like a

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<v Speaker 5>pro like he used to do with the Patriots. He

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<v Speaker 5>spoke to the fans, but not to the media.

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<v Speaker 6>So it's it. You know, it took him.

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<v Speaker 5>Two months to u unc his own internal podcast, so

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<v Speaker 5>you know, even the the the stuff that the school

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<v Speaker 5>wants him to do hasn't exactly been easy coming. But

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<v Speaker 5>I think we all expected that, right Like this is

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<v Speaker 5>there's no NFL access rules here. You're not required to

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<v Speaker 5>meet after a OTA or a certain number. You know,

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<v Speaker 5>he's it says in his contract he has to fulfill

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<v Speaker 5>media responsibilities, but there's absolutely no way.

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<v Speaker 6>To enforce that. So you know, we may not even

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<v Speaker 6>who knows.

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<v Speaker 5>We may not talk to him after practices in August,

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<v Speaker 5>we may not talk to him after games. We may

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<v Speaker 5>only talk to him after games. That that's all up

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<v Speaker 5>in the air right now. It's it's but in that respect,

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<v Speaker 5>it's sort of been what you expect.

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<v Speaker 2>Is Luke Decock, he covers North Carolina football, He covers

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<v Speaker 2>sports there in the Raleigh, North Carolina area, Raleigh News

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<v Speaker 2>and observers sports columnists. I wanted to be fair to

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<v Speaker 2>Belichick in this situation. If I was in the chair,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm interviewing him, She's interrupting, like she is becoming part

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<v Speaker 2>of the story. But the story is supposed to be.

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<v Speaker 2>Belichick has written a book about winning football games, not

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<v Speaker 2>about her. But when does she become fair game in

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<v Speaker 2>this story, in the CBS story where you have to

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<v Speaker 2>include her.

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<v Speaker 5>That's a terrific question. And like I have not written

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<v Speaker 5>about her, I have not written a column about her.

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<v Speaker 5>I've mentioned her when he got hired. That is, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>girlfriend was sitting with these trustees to sort of push

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<v Speaker 5>this hire through because it you know, look, football coaches wives,

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<v Speaker 5>and he coaches wive and he coaches husband if you

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<v Speaker 5>want to, you know, they have an impact on these things.

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<v Speaker 5>But like typically, you know, Mac Brown would always refer

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<v Speaker 5>to you know, Sally and I made the decision to

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<v Speaker 5>come back, and he genuinely believed that.

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<v Speaker 6>It was a team partnership there.

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<v Speaker 5>But you didn't get the sense that Sally was vetting

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<v Speaker 5>his interviews or watching film at night. And you know,

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, at this point, would anyone be shocked if

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<v Speaker 5>Jordan Hudson posts on Instagram I'm so excited Bill has

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<v Speaker 5>decided to switch to a bass nickel. This is going

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<v Speaker 5>to be great for the football program.

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<v Speaker 6>Like no, No one would at this point.

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<v Speaker 5>So when you start to it, like as I mentioned earlier,

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<v Speaker 5>UNC's brand is at stake here. They hired Bill Belichick

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<v Speaker 5>to sell tickets and put butts in seats and eyeballs

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<v Speaker 5>on screen as much as win football games. And when

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<v Speaker 5>it becomes a side show, when your athletic department becomes

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<v Speaker 5>a Jordan Hudson management program instead of a football program,

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<v Speaker 5>that is when it becomes a story. And the fact

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<v Speaker 5>that I haven't actually sort of put pen to paper

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<v Speaker 5>yet is really a function of the fact that the

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<v Speaker 5>Carolina Hurricanes are in the playoffs, and we had a

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<v Speaker 5>double overtime game last night, and that's soaking up a

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<v Speaker 5>lot of my attention. But the CBS News interview to me,

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<v Speaker 5>where you start raising questions about what this meet cute

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<v Speaker 5>that was supposedly established on the plane with the book,

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<v Speaker 5>and now she's saying, we won't talk about that, and

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<v Speaker 5>there are questions about, you know, who's actually in charge here.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, I think that to me starts to cross

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<v Speaker 5>that rubicon of this becomes a football issue. You know,

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<v Speaker 5>can Bill Belichick focus on winning at a program that

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<v Speaker 5>you know has come close so many times under Butch

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<v Speaker 5>Davis and Larry Fedora and Mac Brown twice. If he's

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<v Speaker 5>you know, promoting a book and doing all these other things,

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<v Speaker 5>what's what's Bill Belichick's focus and what's her role in

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<v Speaker 5>directing that focus? The fact that a football coach doesn't

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<v Speaker 5>know what's on social media about him, as he claimed

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<v Speaker 5>in the CBS. These guys care about what's on the

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<v Speaker 5>monitors in the lunch room like they dictate every single

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<v Speaker 5>aspect of a program. That's true in the pros, it's

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<v Speaker 5>true in college. So there's a lot of sort of

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<v Speaker 5>questions now that need answers, and to me, that's that's

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<v Speaker 5>the line you cross, right, that becomes not writing about

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<v Speaker 5>his personal life, which obviously there are people who write

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<v Speaker 5>about his personal life for a living. But for me

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<v Speaker 5>as a sports columnist, when it sort of gets into

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<v Speaker 5>decision making and who's in charge and what does this

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<v Speaker 5>mean for the football program, you know, there is a

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<v Speaker 5>line that's crossed there.

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<v Speaker 2>Would you rather sit down and interview Bill or his girlfriend?

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<v Speaker 5>I would still like to know from Bill why you know?

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<v Speaker 5>I asked him that at his initial press conference, at

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<v Speaker 5>what point in your mind did you sort of switch

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<v Speaker 5>from I this is how I would run my next

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<v Speaker 5>NFL program to oh, how would I run a college program?

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<v Speaker 5>It was literally the only good answer he gave him

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<v Speaker 5>that entire press conference.

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<v Speaker 6>But I want to know, like.

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<v Speaker 5>What possesses you at this age with a young girlfriend

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<v Speaker 5>who you guys seem to be having the time of

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<v Speaker 5>your lives out there. You know, even if she's calling

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<v Speaker 5>the shots, he seems to be, you know, seems to

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<v Speaker 5>be working for him in that respect, Why would you

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<v Speaker 5>want to take on a program that is, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>at a basketball school that faces huge structural hurdles. I mean,

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<v Speaker 5>there's a reason why neither North Carolina or NC State

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<v Speaker 5>or Duke has won ACC title in football in thirty years,

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<v Speaker 5>when they've won national titles and gone to final fours

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<v Speaker 5>in literally every other sport women's lacrosse, field hockey, women's basketball, wrestling, swimming.

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<v Speaker 5>All three schools have been in the final four the

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<v Speaker 5>last five years in men's basketball. So football has been

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<v Speaker 5>this outlier. And we can go on forever about why

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<v Speaker 5>that is. It has to do with so many football

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<v Speaker 5>programs in a state, plus Tennessee and South.

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<v Speaker 6>Carolina and Clemson all skimming the cream off the top.

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<v Speaker 5>But the reality is, why would you take that on.

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<v Speaker 5>You have a very good life, wait for an NFL

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<v Speaker 5>job to open up, be a GM, you know, write

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<v Speaker 5>books about how you're the greatest winner and greatest leader ever.

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<v Speaker 5>Don't go to this perennial sleeping giant football program. And

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<v Speaker 5>plus maybe you know, maybe if someone offered me this

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<v Speaker 5>much money to do it, I would to.

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<v Speaker 2>Over under one and a half years for Belichick at

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<v Speaker 2>North Carolina under.

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<v Speaker 6>I thought you're gonna say wins. Oh, that was gonna

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<v Speaker 6>push me.

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<v Speaker 2>That's quick answer there, Luke.

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<v Speaker 5>It's gonna be a beautiful disaster. Dan like a monkey

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<v Speaker 5>flying of seven thirty. We all know how it's going

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<v Speaker 5>to end, but we don't know how we're going to

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<v Speaker 5>get there.

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<v Speaker 2>How about a round of applause for Luke's appearance. Thank you, Luke,

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate it. Thank you Luke Decock. He is columnist for

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<v Speaker 2>the Raleigh News and Observer. He had it gone, well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I had some lines there. Yeah. At some point she

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<v Speaker 2>became the story. She didn't want to be the story.

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<v Speaker 2>She became the story. And that's why, you know, when

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<v Speaker 2>people will respond on social media, you know, what's this

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<v Speaker 2>have to do with Belichick or the football team or

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<v Speaker 2>his book. She made it. She made it part of

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<v Speaker 2>the story. You can't ignore that. I wouldn't have ignored that.

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<v Speaker 2>If I sat down with Belichick and the first thing

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<v Speaker 2>I would say is why are you wearing a Navy

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<v Speaker 2>sweatshirt like that? That would have been it's right there

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<v Speaker 2>right in front of me. You represent North Carolina. You

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<v Speaker 2>want product placement. I would think at all reminding people

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<v Speaker 2>I'm at North Carolina. But and I can guarantee you

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<v Speaker 2>North Carolina wants that too. They're like, wait, what's he

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<v Speaker 2>got on? He's got a Navy sweatshirt?

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<v Speaker 7>On.

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<v Speaker 2>But if she's interrupting, and she's doing that, you know, repeatedly.

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<v Speaker 2>Now she's made herself part of the story, whether she

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to or not. But she's in there watching the monitor,

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<v Speaker 2>and then all of a sudden, she's just waiting to

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<v Speaker 2>go I object, No, we're not talking about that. And

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<v Speaker 2>by all accounts, she was interrupting a few times. Now

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<v Speaker 2>you've made yourself part of the story. Because Bill suddenly

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<v Speaker 2>can't answer questions on his own. It's not a good look.

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<v Speaker 2>It was embarrassing. I think for Bill, he's waiting for

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<v Speaker 2>somebody to tell him can I no, you can't. And

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<v Speaker 2>he doesn't even know about social media these pictures that

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<v Speaker 2>he posed for.

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<v Speaker 4>I love love, but I don't love love that much. Yes, sEH,

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<v Speaker 4>but he's lying about some of that. I get that

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<v Speaker 4>the whole. Like, you know, insta face or snap book

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<v Speaker 4>or whatever. That joke was funny about twenty years ago.

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<v Speaker 4>Everybody knows what social media is.

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<v Speaker 8>Now.

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<v Speaker 4>My grandmother is on it, you know, like she's like, hey,

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<v Speaker 4>you check your IG. Everybody knows what it is. He's

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<v Speaker 4>just trying to do like that cheap tired joke. Folksy,

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<v Speaker 4>you think he's trying to be funny here.

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<v Speaker 2>I do.

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<v Speaker 4>I think he's trying to be funny and like too cool,

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<v Speaker 4>Like I don't even follow that stuff. Yes, you do, dude,

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<v Speaker 4>you know exactly what everyone's talking about.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I know he's a genius in the

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<v Speaker 2>Insta snap book.

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<v Speaker 6>What is it again? I don't don't even know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, dude, that joke was good forever ago. Well, Luke

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<v Speaker 2>was quick to say, over under one and a half

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<v Speaker 2>seasons and he was taking the under there all right,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll get phone calls. There's prop beds by the way

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<v Speaker 2>on Bill and his girlfriend and the football program.

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<v Speaker 4>Which lasts longer his time at North Carolina or that relationship.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, yeah, I said it. Yeah, you did our two

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<v Speaker 2>pole question. Bang bang. I mean, my youngest daughter is

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<v Speaker 2>twenty six. If my daughter brought home some dude who's

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<v Speaker 2>seventy three or seventy four, I I'd lose it. I'd

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<v Speaker 2>be like, no, no, no, no, see you, Hey, Graham's

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<v Speaker 2>get the hell out of here. I don't care who

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<v Speaker 2>you are. I don't care. He'd be older than you. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>he would be like, oh my god, d dude, you

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<v Speaker 2>know that's stuff like what are you doing? That's that stuff?

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<v Speaker 2>Would you question yourself at that point and be like, what, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>what did I do? Yes? I would. I would talk

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<v Speaker 2>to my daughter and say, Molly, where did I go wrong?

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<v Speaker 3>Hun?

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<v Speaker 2>Why do you hate me so much? And where? Oh

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<v Speaker 2>did I go so wrong? See you? When you put

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<v Speaker 2>it in, you know, we look at it and go

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<v Speaker 2>all right, he got a twenty four year old girlfriend.

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<v Speaker 2>Then you look at it, you know, as a father,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're going, wait, mant, I got a twenty four

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<v Speaker 2>year old daughter, Todd, how old is your daughter? She twenty?

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<v Speaker 2>She just turned twenty, so I think they met when

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<v Speaker 2>she was twenty one. So your daughter next year brings

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<v Speaker 2>home Bill Belichick.

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<v Speaker 3>Well you let me wear the Super Bowl rigs?

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<v Speaker 9>Right?

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<v Speaker 3>You have to think about it.

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<v Speaker 10>Now.

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<v Speaker 3>That's very very weird.

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<v Speaker 2>It is. It is. It's weird. But if you win

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<v Speaker 2>football games, that's all anybody's gonna care about. But when

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<v Speaker 2>you don't, they're coming after you. Coach, Coach, tell us

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<v Speaker 2>about to come back again, tell us tell us about Okay, Atlanta? Right,

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<v Speaker 2>who makes the decision there to keep going to Jamed one.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's take a break here, Let's take a break here.

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<v Speaker 2>that's you. You make all the big decisions, right, We're

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<v Speaker 2>not talking about that. Let's take a break. Ross is

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<v Speaker 2>Charles Barkley In an hour, We'll talk to Ross Tucker

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<v Speaker 2>here momentarily. Bet online has some prop bets for Bill Belichick,

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<v Speaker 2>including will Bill and his girlfriend break up in twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five? What happens first they get engaged? Who is

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<v Speaker 2>no longer the head coach? Also, let's see what will

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<v Speaker 2>the next Instagram photo feature be Belichick and cut off sleeves,

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<v Speaker 2>Bill in a suit, his girlfriend showing her belly button,

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<v Speaker 2>or Belichick in a ripped shirt. There's also this one

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<v Speaker 2>what will Bill do next? Get a tattoo, Duya's hair blonde,

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<v Speaker 2>have a mullet, get a piercing or a man bun hairstyle.

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<v Speaker 2>These are all pressing questions that you can bet prop

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<v Speaker 2>bets with Bill Belichick. Let's bring in Ross Tucker, our

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<v Speaker 2>good buddy.

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<v Speaker 3>Ross.

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<v Speaker 2>First question, what's Bill Belichick doing?

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<v Speaker 10>Dan, I have no idea. I mean, if you would

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<v Speaker 10>have told me or any of us that played for

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<v Speaker 10>the Patriots that at some day he'd be doing an

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<v Speaker 10>interview and there would be anyone, you know, I mean,

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<v Speaker 10>anyone forget it being a howd Olgi is twenty four

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<v Speaker 10>year old young woman, anyone to the side kind of

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<v Speaker 10>telling him what to say, what not to say, what

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<v Speaker 10>topics they can talk about, what they can't. That is

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<v Speaker 10>not the guy that we played for Now, that was

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<v Speaker 10>a long time ago. That was two thousand and five,

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<v Speaker 10>two thousand and six for me, So it's like twenty

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<v Speaker 10>years ago. But it's very, very surprising to see someone

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<v Speaker 10>else having this level of control and or involvement with

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<v Speaker 10>what coach Belichick does.

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<v Speaker 2>How much of a control freak was he when you

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<v Speaker 2>were in New England?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't.

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<v Speaker 10>On scale one to ten, he was a twenty you know.

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<v Speaker 10>I mean picture this, Dan'll you'll appreciate this. Okay, two

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<v Speaker 10>stories I'll tell you about Belichick and his desire for control.

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<v Speaker 10>Every morning he would walk on the treadmill Incline, and

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<v Speaker 10>he would read the clips of everything that was said

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<v Speaker 10>about the Patriots and everything that was said about the opponent.

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<v Speaker 10>And then the first time you meet with the media

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<v Speaker 10>as a player is Wednesday at lunch. So in the

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<v Speaker 10>Wednesday morning team meeting, he would tell you exactly what

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<v Speaker 10>the storylines were for the week, what questions you were

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<v Speaker 10>gonna be asked, and what your response was to be.

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<v Speaker 10>So we played Jacksonville in the five wildcard round and

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<v Speaker 10>was gonna be really cold in Foxborough. So the first

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<v Speaker 10>thing he said, he said, they're all gonna ask you

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<v Speaker 10>about the weather. Weather's no factor. It's the same for

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<v Speaker 10>both teams. I mean, he was by far the most

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<v Speaker 10>conscious of and involved in media relations of any coach

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<v Speaker 10>I was ever with, which I thought was fascinating that

0:23:42.320 --> 0:23:45.280
<v Speaker 10>he cared that much. I didn't really understand why he

0:23:45.400 --> 0:23:49.359
<v Speaker 10>cared that much, but he micro managed any comments that

0:23:49.480 --> 0:23:54.080
<v Speaker 10>any players made to the media. So it's really interesting

0:23:54.119 --> 0:23:56.760
<v Speaker 10>that now see him on the kind of wearing the

0:23:56.760 --> 0:23:59.520
<v Speaker 10>other shoe, and now he's the one more or less

0:23:59.560 --> 0:24:01.840
<v Speaker 10>being Mike were managed with these media interviews.

0:24:02.240 --> 0:24:05.400
<v Speaker 2>He's Ross Tucker and the Ross Tucker Football podcast also

0:24:05.560 --> 0:24:08.600
<v Speaker 2>calls games for CBS Westwood One and you can check

0:24:08.640 --> 0:24:12.400
<v Speaker 2>him out on social media at Ross Tucker NFL. Let's

0:24:12.400 --> 0:24:15.840
<v Speaker 2>look at the draft here. How should Travis Hunter be

0:24:16.000 --> 0:24:17.040
<v Speaker 2>used his rookie year?

0:24:19.000 --> 0:24:23.359
<v Speaker 10>That is the million dollar question. I love that the

0:24:23.440 --> 0:24:27.800
<v Speaker 10>Jaguars went up to get him, but you can't move

0:24:27.920 --> 0:24:31.320
<v Speaker 10>up and give up that many assets unless he is

0:24:31.400 --> 0:24:34.159
<v Speaker 10>going to play both ways and you feel like you

0:24:34.200 --> 0:24:37.080
<v Speaker 10>have a good plan for him to play both ways.

0:24:37.119 --> 0:24:39.280
<v Speaker 10>I know you know, Dan, I did that Colorado Colorado

0:24:39.320 --> 0:24:43.040
<v Speaker 10>State game last year for CBS. I'm on record on

0:24:43.080 --> 0:24:45.480
<v Speaker 10>my show and elsewhere are saying he's the best college

0:24:45.480 --> 0:24:49.159
<v Speaker 10>football player I've ever seen so forty plus years of

0:24:49.200 --> 0:24:54.240
<v Speaker 10>watching college football. You know what the uptempo offenses, he

0:24:54.400 --> 0:24:56.760
<v Speaker 10>was playing over one hundred and twenty snaps a game.

0:24:57.400 --> 0:25:02.280
<v Speaker 10>That is just nuts. And I' fascinated to see whether

0:25:02.400 --> 0:25:06.000
<v Speaker 10>or not he can play both at nearly as high

0:25:06.040 --> 0:25:07.800
<v Speaker 10>of a level in the NFL.

0:25:07.920 --> 0:25:08.840
<v Speaker 3>He has the chance.

0:25:08.880 --> 0:25:11.800
<v Speaker 10>I'm not gonna do the whole James Gladstone thing where like,

0:25:12.200 --> 0:25:14.520
<v Speaker 10>you know, a belief in football, and I'm not gonna

0:25:14.520 --> 0:25:17.560
<v Speaker 10>give you the speech that the Jaguars GM gave, but

0:25:17.760 --> 0:25:21.680
<v Speaker 10>he has the potential to be like the Steph Curry

0:25:21.840 --> 0:25:24.560
<v Speaker 10>of football. Dan, You know how you go to like

0:25:25.240 --> 0:25:29.080
<v Speaker 10>a sixth grade cyo basketball game now and these kids

0:25:29.119 --> 0:25:32.119
<v Speaker 10>are all shooting like twenty five foot threes because of

0:25:32.200 --> 0:25:36.480
<v Speaker 10>Steph Curry. If Travis Hunter can do this, all these

0:25:36.560 --> 0:25:40.240
<v Speaker 10>five star recruits are gonna tell Ohio State and Alabama.

0:25:40.640 --> 0:25:42.760
<v Speaker 10>I want to play both ways. I want to be

0:25:42.760 --> 0:25:44.280
<v Speaker 10>on both sides of ball. I mean, this guy might

0:25:44.400 --> 0:25:48.120
<v Speaker 10>change the sport. The interesting thing in particular with Jacksonville,

0:25:49.200 --> 0:25:52.520
<v Speaker 10>would you rather have a guy that's very good at

0:25:52.520 --> 0:25:58.160
<v Speaker 10>two positions or elite at one? And everybody agrees that

0:25:58.359 --> 0:26:01.119
<v Speaker 10>you're better off being a full time corner and a

0:26:01.160 --> 0:26:04.520
<v Speaker 10>part time receiver, But most people will also tell you

0:26:05.080 --> 0:26:08.880
<v Speaker 10>he's further along as a receiver. I think the Jags

0:26:08.920 --> 0:26:11.760
<v Speaker 10>needed a corner more than anything else. I think he's

0:26:11.800 --> 0:26:15.200
<v Speaker 10>a full time corner and they already have Brian Thomas

0:26:15.200 --> 0:26:18.440
<v Speaker 10>from last year. He'll be a part time receiver who

0:26:18.480 --> 0:26:19.840
<v Speaker 10>I think they feel like they'll get a lot of

0:26:19.920 --> 0:26:20.560
<v Speaker 10>value out of.

0:26:20.720 --> 0:26:24.640
<v Speaker 2>Clearly, but I think that considering what they gave up

0:26:24.720 --> 0:26:28.480
<v Speaker 2>to go get him, he has to play both positions,

0:26:28.840 --> 0:26:31.840
<v Speaker 2>like I have to get a show. Heyo Tani out there.

0:26:32.119 --> 0:26:34.119
<v Speaker 2>I have to have people who show up and they

0:26:34.160 --> 0:26:36.640
<v Speaker 2>want to see him as a receiver and a defensive back.

0:26:37.440 --> 0:26:41.280
<v Speaker 2>I think that's lost in a lot of people in

0:26:41.359 --> 0:26:43.760
<v Speaker 2>how they assess this and like, hey, I love him.

0:26:44.040 --> 0:26:46.840
<v Speaker 2>I think he's great, But I also am in the

0:26:46.920 --> 0:26:49.879
<v Speaker 2>entertainment business. I got to have him out there playing

0:26:49.920 --> 0:26:51.600
<v Speaker 2>both both sides of the ball.

0:26:52.560 --> 0:26:53.359
<v Speaker 3>There's no doubt.

0:26:53.560 --> 0:26:56.240
<v Speaker 10>And of course he's from Georgia, played high school ball

0:26:56.280 --> 0:26:59.240
<v Speaker 10>in Florida, so he's got the connections down there as well.

0:27:00.800 --> 0:27:03.400
<v Speaker 10>I think that's how the Jaguars look at it. Number one,

0:27:03.920 --> 0:27:07.040
<v Speaker 10>he gives them a tremendous amount of buzz with the

0:27:07.080 --> 0:27:10.680
<v Speaker 10>new regime from a business perspective. But number two, I

0:27:10.680 --> 0:27:13.480
<v Speaker 10>think what they would tell you, Dan is yes, we

0:27:13.600 --> 0:27:17.040
<v Speaker 10>gave up next year's first round pick. Guess what next

0:27:17.080 --> 0:27:20.840
<v Speaker 10>year's first round pick is Travis Hunter the cornerback. This

0:27:20.920 --> 0:27:23.960
<v Speaker 10>year's first round pick was Travis Hunter the receiver. I

0:27:24.040 --> 0:27:25.679
<v Speaker 10>truly believe that that's how they look.

0:27:25.560 --> 0:27:29.800
<v Speaker 2>At Okay, all right, give me your theory on Shador

0:27:29.920 --> 0:27:30.800
<v Speaker 2>Sanders slide.

0:27:32.480 --> 0:27:33.760
<v Speaker 3>Well, there's a couple of things there.

0:27:34.320 --> 0:27:36.720
<v Speaker 10>Number one, I think the biggest thing then, and you

0:27:36.800 --> 0:27:41.119
<v Speaker 10>know this, like the way you conduct yourself, the way

0:27:41.200 --> 0:27:45.000
<v Speaker 10>you treat people, it matters, right. I haven't talked about

0:27:45.000 --> 0:27:46.879
<v Speaker 10>this that much just because I don't think it's that

0:27:46.920 --> 0:27:50.120
<v Speaker 10>big a deal. But it's a it's a small story, right.

0:27:50.520 --> 0:27:52.240
<v Speaker 10>So last year, I think you know, I did that

0:27:52.320 --> 0:27:55.600
<v Speaker 10>Colorado Colorado State game for CBS. I referenced it with Hunter, right,

0:27:56.080 --> 0:28:00.160
<v Speaker 10>But I was doing Bills Dolphins on radio Thursday night

0:28:00.160 --> 0:28:02.439
<v Speaker 10>for Westwood One. But I wanted to make sure I

0:28:02.520 --> 0:28:05.520
<v Speaker 10>was locked in for the TV game. I flew out

0:28:05.840 --> 0:28:08.840
<v Speaker 10>on Tuesday night to Denver. I was told that I

0:28:08.880 --> 0:28:13.959
<v Speaker 10>could talk to Shador after Wednesday's practice for Colorado. I

0:28:14.000 --> 0:28:18.320
<v Speaker 10>go to the practice, I'm in Boulder. After the practice,

0:28:18.440 --> 0:28:21.600
<v Speaker 10>I'm told, well, he got banged up against Nebraska. He

0:28:21.680 --> 0:28:24.680
<v Speaker 10>needs to get treatment. Can't meet with you, but he'll

0:28:24.680 --> 0:28:28.000
<v Speaker 10>meet with you Friday at the production meeting. Okay, no problem,

0:28:28.320 --> 0:28:31.080
<v Speaker 10>Go to Buffalo, do the game. Flyback Friday production meeting.

0:28:31.359 --> 0:28:34.840
<v Speaker 10>We talked to Dion, he was great. The coordinators no Shador.

0:28:36.000 --> 0:28:37.840
<v Speaker 10>We weren't really given a reason, but we did not

0:28:37.840 --> 0:28:40.440
<v Speaker 10>talk to Shador at the production meetings, which, as you know,

0:28:40.920 --> 0:28:45.560
<v Speaker 10>starting quarterback, especially a high profile player like that, very unusual.

0:28:46.040 --> 0:28:49.040
<v Speaker 10>I walk out of the hotel and there's a pickup

0:28:49.040 --> 0:28:51.360
<v Speaker 10>truck in front of the hotel, and Shador is just

0:28:51.400 --> 0:28:52.840
<v Speaker 10>sitting in the back of the pickup truck.

0:28:53.400 --> 0:28:54.920
<v Speaker 3>And I kind of regret not going.

0:28:54.840 --> 0:28:57.400
<v Speaker 10>Up to him and just saying introducing myself, Hey, sh

0:28:57.840 --> 0:29:00.760
<v Speaker 10>I'm Ross's nice to meet you, or or ask him

0:29:00.760 --> 0:29:03.120
<v Speaker 10>why he didn't do the production meeting. But it just

0:29:03.160 --> 0:29:07.000
<v Speaker 10>made me wonder, Dan, Like people asked me NFL people

0:29:07.120 --> 0:29:10.760
<v Speaker 10>asked me after that game, what did you think of Shador?

0:29:10.960 --> 0:29:13.320
<v Speaker 10>And I said, I didn't get to talk to him.

0:29:13.680 --> 0:29:16.240
<v Speaker 10>Maybe he's the greatest kid ever. Maybe he's a bad kid.

0:29:16.280 --> 0:29:16.800
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

0:29:16.880 --> 0:29:19.720
<v Speaker 10>But I told them the story and they just kind

0:29:19.720 --> 0:29:22.480
<v Speaker 10>of nodded their head, and it just made me wonder, Dan,

0:29:22.680 --> 0:29:27.520
<v Speaker 10>how many stories are there like that in which Shador

0:29:27.760 --> 0:29:32.240
<v Speaker 10>did things that were not customary, He did things non traditionally.

0:29:32.320 --> 0:29:34.880
<v Speaker 10>It certainly seems like that was the deal with a

0:29:34.880 --> 0:29:38.040
<v Speaker 10>lot of the combine interviews and meetings with teams, and

0:29:38.280 --> 0:29:41.720
<v Speaker 10>especially at that position, I think it makes them very

0:29:41.840 --> 0:29:46.120
<v Speaker 10>nervous that already in college he was getting out of

0:29:46.200 --> 0:29:48.400
<v Speaker 10>things that you're supposed to be doing. What's he going

0:29:48.480 --> 0:29:49.760
<v Speaker 10>to be like if he's a first round pick in

0:29:49.800 --> 0:29:50.600
<v Speaker 10>the NFL draft.

0:29:51.560 --> 0:29:54.760
<v Speaker 2>But if he had cam Ward's talent, would we be

0:29:54.840 --> 0:29:55.760
<v Speaker 2>overlooking all of this?

0:29:57.360 --> 0:30:00.600
<v Speaker 10>If he had cam Ward's talent, he would have been

0:30:00.640 --> 0:30:03.920
<v Speaker 10>a first round pick. I think that the Titans would

0:30:03.920 --> 0:30:09.000
<v Speaker 10>have taken cam Ward instead of him, meaning the intangibles,

0:30:09.440 --> 0:30:13.120
<v Speaker 10>the way he carries himself, that stuff matters. But if

0:30:13.160 --> 0:30:16.720
<v Speaker 10>he was that talented, I believe the Browns at two,

0:30:16.880 --> 0:30:20.800
<v Speaker 10>the Giants at three, they would have taken him. Because also,

0:30:21.200 --> 0:30:25.320
<v Speaker 10>that's the other part of this. You're okay with having

0:30:25.400 --> 0:30:29.160
<v Speaker 10>that level of attention if it's your top five pick,

0:30:29.320 --> 0:30:33.320
<v Speaker 10>your starting quarterback. That goes along with that. Once the

0:30:33.760 --> 0:30:37.160
<v Speaker 10>Giants decided they liked Dart more than Shador and the

0:30:37.240 --> 0:30:40.400
<v Speaker 10>Saints decide they liked Shuck more than Shaudor, which, by

0:30:40.440 --> 0:30:42.320
<v Speaker 10>the way, a lot of people came on my show,

0:30:42.360 --> 0:30:45.160
<v Speaker 10>The Roslucker Podcast and said they had Dart ahead of

0:30:45.160 --> 0:30:47.080
<v Speaker 10>Shador or they had Shuck ahead of Shador, So I

0:30:47.080 --> 0:30:49.720
<v Speaker 10>can leave with those. But once those three teams made

0:30:49.760 --> 0:30:53.240
<v Speaker 10>that decision, then he was only gonna get drafted to

0:30:53.280 --> 0:30:56.840
<v Speaker 10>be a backup. And we know this from Kaepernick from Tebow.

0:30:57.560 --> 0:31:00.760
<v Speaker 10>Nobody wants the most high profile player on the team

0:31:00.800 --> 0:31:04.240
<v Speaker 10>to be the backup quarterback. Nobody wants a lightning rod

0:31:04.400 --> 0:31:07.680
<v Speaker 10>polarizing backup quarterback. I gotta tell you, Dan, no, I

0:31:07.680 --> 0:31:11.280
<v Speaker 10>have no proof of this. I'm convinced that Aaron Rodgers

0:31:11.360 --> 0:31:14.480
<v Speaker 10>told the Steelers, hey, I'm coming, I'll play for you,

0:31:14.960 --> 0:31:17.600
<v Speaker 10>but don't take this Anders kids, because Aaron doesn't want

0:31:17.640 --> 0:31:19.560
<v Speaker 10>to deal with that. Aaron doesn't want the first time

0:31:19.600 --> 0:31:22.440
<v Speaker 10>he has a bad game, people calling for the Steelers

0:31:22.480 --> 0:31:23.600
<v Speaker 10>to put you Dorsanders in.

0:31:24.160 --> 0:31:25.320
<v Speaker 3>Whether he said something.

0:31:25.200 --> 0:31:29.520
<v Speaker 10>Or not, I will believe forever that Aaron Rodgers made

0:31:29.560 --> 0:31:32.080
<v Speaker 10>it known to the Steelers he did not want you

0:31:32.120 --> 0:31:34.840
<v Speaker 10>dor Sanders in that quarterback room. And I have to

0:31:34.840 --> 0:31:36.520
<v Speaker 10>deal with that and what might be his last year

0:31:36.520 --> 0:31:37.080
<v Speaker 10>in the NFL.

0:31:37.680 --> 0:31:40.440
<v Speaker 2>I'll leave you with this. And the more I've thought

0:31:40.440 --> 0:31:43.400
<v Speaker 2>about it, the more I'm surprised at this. They didn't

0:31:43.440 --> 0:31:46.800
<v Speaker 2>have an agent for Shador. You have Dion, who is

0:31:46.840 --> 0:31:50.080
<v Speaker 2>a big cheerleader for his son. His son is listening

0:31:50.080 --> 0:31:53.120
<v Speaker 2>to his dad pump him up. His dad during Super

0:31:53.160 --> 0:31:55.880
<v Speaker 2>Bowl week is talking about I've talked to teams and hey,

0:31:55.960 --> 0:31:58.880
<v Speaker 2>I might be steering him in a different direction here.

0:31:59.160 --> 0:32:03.120
<v Speaker 2>All of this is going going on. There's nobody really

0:32:03.200 --> 0:32:06.880
<v Speaker 2>to tell him what reality is because you're there at

0:32:06.920 --> 0:32:11.000
<v Speaker 2>Colorado with your dad, You're driving an expensive car, you

0:32:11.040 --> 0:32:14.000
<v Speaker 2>get to do what you want, Like, that's not reality.

0:32:15.040 --> 0:32:18.080
<v Speaker 2>This is reality when you go to talk somebody and

0:32:18.440 --> 0:32:20.680
<v Speaker 2>they want to know who you are, not who your

0:32:20.760 --> 0:32:24.120
<v Speaker 2>dad is. They want to know can you do this?

0:32:24.920 --> 0:32:27.640
<v Speaker 2>What am I getting here as a person. And that's

0:32:27.680 --> 0:32:31.400
<v Speaker 2>what really surprises me that it doesn't sound like somebody

0:32:31.480 --> 0:32:34.280
<v Speaker 2>was there to be that voice who was going to

0:32:34.320 --> 0:32:39.040
<v Speaker 2>be the contrarian to say, hey, you didn't interview. Well, hey,

0:32:39.120 --> 0:32:42.920
<v Speaker 2>this is what I'm hearing, because I think reporters were

0:32:43.000 --> 0:32:46.240
<v Speaker 2>really nervous of giving the true story of what was

0:32:46.280 --> 0:32:49.200
<v Speaker 2>going on, because I think you had one who came out,

0:32:49.240 --> 0:32:52.160
<v Speaker 2>maybe it was Todd McShay, and all of a sudden

0:32:52.200 --> 0:32:55.360
<v Speaker 2>it's like, hey, I'm hearing he had a bad interview,

0:32:55.640 --> 0:32:59.400
<v Speaker 2>and the blowback was, oh, now we're coming out and

0:32:59.440 --> 0:33:02.320
<v Speaker 2>going after shador I even said it on the show.

0:33:02.360 --> 0:33:04.760
<v Speaker 2>It feels like there was this smear campaign going on

0:33:05.600 --> 0:33:08.440
<v Speaker 2>quietly and then all of a sudden it start. Now

0:33:08.480 --> 0:33:11.760
<v Speaker 2>it's coming to the surface. But I kept thinking, where

0:33:11.840 --> 0:33:14.680
<v Speaker 2>is this coming from? And then we finally found out

0:33:14.760 --> 0:33:17.840
<v Speaker 2>there are some people attaching their names to what was

0:33:17.920 --> 0:33:20.880
<v Speaker 2>going on. I'm just amazed they didn't have somebody who

0:33:20.920 --> 0:33:23.640
<v Speaker 2>was going to play the bad cop to everybody's good

0:33:23.640 --> 0:33:24.640
<v Speaker 2>cop in this situation.

0:33:25.360 --> 0:33:27.320
<v Speaker 10>Well, and not only that, Dan, you just made a

0:33:27.360 --> 0:33:32.040
<v Speaker 10>fantastic point, because every guy with an agent, they get

0:33:32.120 --> 0:33:34.080
<v Speaker 10>prepped for the Combine interviews.

0:33:34.760 --> 0:33:36.040
<v Speaker 3>So not only is.

0:33:36.000 --> 0:33:38.080
<v Speaker 10>It the part where he could have had someone to

0:33:38.080 --> 0:33:40.640
<v Speaker 10>tell him the truth after the interviews or during the

0:33:40.640 --> 0:33:45.520
<v Speaker 10>pre draft process, it's pretty clear nobody told him how

0:33:45.520 --> 0:33:50.280
<v Speaker 10>to conduct himself in those interviews, and he failed them miserably.

0:33:50.320 --> 0:33:53.080
<v Speaker 10>I mean, I've had people say that he went into

0:33:53.120 --> 0:33:57.160
<v Speaker 10>those interviews Dan as if he had the leverage right,

0:33:57.320 --> 0:34:00.200
<v Speaker 10>as if he was in control of the situation.

0:34:00.760 --> 0:34:02.240
<v Speaker 3>Boy, that does not go over real.

0:34:02.280 --> 0:34:05.960
<v Speaker 10>Well, yeah, those guys imagine being you interview one hundred

0:34:06.000 --> 0:34:10.160
<v Speaker 10>guys at the Combine. Only one of them acts like

0:34:10.239 --> 0:34:13.920
<v Speaker 10>a you know what, doesn't stink and acts like he

0:34:14.600 --> 0:34:17.440
<v Speaker 10>can control and say whatever he wants to say. He

0:34:17.480 --> 0:34:21.320
<v Speaker 10>didn't have someone to prep him properly for those interviews,

0:34:21.320 --> 0:34:23.920
<v Speaker 10>and it cost him dearly. I mean, we learned this

0:34:24.040 --> 0:34:29.760
<v Speaker 10>spring how important the pre draft process is for quarterbacks,

0:34:30.040 --> 0:34:33.240
<v Speaker 10>especially with seeing I mean, Queen youwers and these guys

0:34:33.239 --> 0:34:36.759
<v Speaker 10>going down, chucking, Gabriel going up. What you do in

0:34:36.800 --> 0:34:39.640
<v Speaker 10>the spring, Yes, after the season, it matters.

0:34:39.800 --> 0:34:45.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Yeah, I'm just I was told that that there

0:34:45.120 --> 0:34:48.920
<v Speaker 2>was just a scenario where Shador made the person people

0:34:49.120 --> 0:34:53.880
<v Speaker 2>interviewing him feel like you got to recruit me. Yeah,

0:34:54.040 --> 0:34:56.560
<v Speaker 2>like I I'm not sure if I want to go

0:34:56.640 --> 0:34:59.120
<v Speaker 2>to your team. Why don't you tell me why I

0:34:59.120 --> 0:35:01.479
<v Speaker 2>want to go to your team? There was that sense

0:35:01.480 --> 0:35:04.600
<v Speaker 2>of entitlement. Now that was one situation. I don't know

0:35:04.760 --> 0:35:09.560
<v Speaker 2>what happened elsewhere, but you're right, it does play. It

0:35:09.600 --> 0:35:12.120
<v Speaker 2>did play a pretty big role here. Great to talk

0:35:12.160 --> 0:35:13.799
<v Speaker 2>to you as always, Thanks for joining.

0:35:13.560 --> 0:35:15.600
<v Speaker 3>Us, of course, great, see you, Thank you man.

0:35:15.640 --> 0:35:20.240
<v Speaker 2>That's Ross Tucker, CBS Sports, Westwood One, College Football, NFL

0:35:20.320 --> 0:35:23.879
<v Speaker 2>analyst and host of the Ross Tucker Football Podcast. Will

0:35:23.880 --> 0:35:27.000
<v Speaker 2>take a break, poll results coming up. We'll get to

0:35:27.040 --> 0:35:29.000
<v Speaker 2>your phone calls Charles Barkley next hour.

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<v Speaker 1>Back after this, be sure to catch the live edition

0:35:32.160 --> 0:35:35.080
<v Speaker 1>of The Dan Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern

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<v Speaker 1>six am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.

0:35:40.160 --> 0:35:42.640
<v Speaker 2>Ross Tucker brought up some interesting things. You know, when

0:35:42.680 --> 0:35:46.759
<v Speaker 2>you get that first hand information that you're waiting to

0:35:46.760 --> 0:35:49.319
<v Speaker 2>interview Shador. You were told he was going to be

0:35:49.320 --> 0:35:51.360
<v Speaker 2>available and then he wasn't. You were told he was

0:35:51.400 --> 0:35:54.680
<v Speaker 2>going to be available, then he wasn't. It just felt

0:35:54.760 --> 0:35:59.759
<v Speaker 2>like you're not living in what is reality because you're

0:35:59.800 --> 0:36:03.400
<v Speaker 2>on scholarship in more ways than one at Colorado. And

0:36:03.440 --> 0:36:06.280
<v Speaker 2>I've said this before, We've never had him on the show.

0:36:06.320 --> 0:36:09.520
<v Speaker 2>I've never spoken to him. We have asked if he

0:36:09.560 --> 0:36:13.160
<v Speaker 2>wanted to come on the show, but you know, you

0:36:13.239 --> 0:36:15.400
<v Speaker 2>go to the NFL. That's why when they people are

0:36:15.400 --> 0:36:19.160
<v Speaker 2>trying to lump this in with Colin Kaepernick, Kaepernick was

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<v Speaker 2>completely different. It should not be mentioned. And they say

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<v Speaker 2>it's collusion. It's not collusion. They I think everybody realized

0:36:28.880 --> 0:36:32.080
<v Speaker 2>that this is not somebody you want to bring in

0:36:32.320 --> 0:36:37.200
<v Speaker 2>unless he is a bonafide superstar. If he's going to

0:36:37.239 --> 0:36:40.240
<v Speaker 2>be your guy and he's going to be your franchise quarterback,

0:36:40.600 --> 0:36:43.160
<v Speaker 2>that's different. But if he's going to be the backup

0:36:43.280 --> 0:36:49.040
<v Speaker 2>or the third quarterback, that's where you're getting questions constantly.

0:36:50.040 --> 0:36:53.399
<v Speaker 2>And Kevin Stefanski's going to get this in Cleveland, Joe

0:36:53.400 --> 0:36:57.720
<v Speaker 2>Flacco struggles or Kenny Pickett struggles or when is shador

0:36:57.760 --> 0:36:59.400
<v Speaker 2>going to play. I mean, this is going to happen

0:36:59.440 --> 0:37:02.960
<v Speaker 2>the entire when's he gonna play? Why is he playing?

0:37:04.239 --> 0:37:06.000
<v Speaker 2>Who gives you a better chance? Can you pick at

0:37:06.120 --> 0:37:09.400
<v Speaker 2>or shoot? Or You're gonna face these questions here? But

0:37:09.520 --> 0:37:12.880
<v Speaker 2>when you go into an interview and you're sitting with

0:37:12.960 --> 0:37:17.600
<v Speaker 2>grown ups and you're not used to be in this situation, like,

0:37:17.680 --> 0:37:20.560
<v Speaker 2>explain this play to me? What happened on that interception

0:37:20.680 --> 0:37:23.360
<v Speaker 2>you threw? He didn't want to talk about it. He

0:37:23.400 --> 0:37:27.320
<v Speaker 2>didn't want to take blame the nil you got money.

0:37:27.840 --> 0:37:31.319
<v Speaker 2>You're driving around in a two hundred thousand dollars car.

0:37:32.000 --> 0:37:34.279
<v Speaker 2>These guys are talking to me. Yeah, all right, Well

0:37:34.280 --> 0:37:36.600
<v Speaker 2>they better tell me some good things because you know,

0:37:36.640 --> 0:37:39.879
<v Speaker 2>I'll go elsewhere. It felt like it was probably a

0:37:39.920 --> 0:37:44.520
<v Speaker 2>recruiting type feel for him. All right, A couple of

0:37:44.520 --> 0:37:49.000
<v Speaker 2>phone calls in here. Let's see Sue in Denver. Hi, Sue,

0:37:49.040 --> 0:37:49.759
<v Speaker 2>what's on your mind?

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<v Speaker 9>Good morning, DPOs, Good morning Dennette.

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<v Speaker 7>Hey.

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<v Speaker 9>I was just a hate to circle back on this,

0:37:55.320 --> 0:37:58.640
<v Speaker 9>but just referencing and going back to the dock Rivers

0:37:58.640 --> 0:38:02.239
<v Speaker 9>debacle this morning. I was listening to it and he

0:38:02.400 --> 0:38:05.440
<v Speaker 9>kind of sounds a little bit like Kevin Harlan. So

0:38:05.520 --> 0:38:09.319
<v Speaker 9>I was wondering if maybe Kevin Harlan could interview Doc

0:38:09.400 --> 0:38:11.839
<v Speaker 9>on his chances of staying with Milwaukee.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well let's see. Let's go down to Kevin Harlan,

0:38:16.239 --> 0:38:20.280
<v Speaker 2>who is standing by with Doc Rivers. Doc, you've lost

0:38:20.360 --> 0:38:22.880
<v Speaker 2>many playoff games. We all know the Clipper saga, and

0:38:22.920 --> 0:38:23.839
<v Speaker 2>now it happened again.

0:38:24.000 --> 0:38:26.560
<v Speaker 3>What is going on with you in playoff games?

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I gotta do better.

0:38:28.680 --> 0:38:29.279
<v Speaker 6>I gotta do better.

0:38:29.280 --> 0:38:30.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm not gonna put it on my team.

0:38:30.640 --> 0:38:32.440
<v Speaker 3>I gotta be a better coach. I don't they give

0:38:32.440 --> 0:38:34.239
<v Speaker 3>me a chance to come back next year. I love

0:38:34.280 --> 0:38:34.840
<v Speaker 3>those guys.

0:38:36.120 --> 0:38:41.080
<v Speaker 2>Excellent this TNT. Thank you Kevin, and Doc wants to

0:38:41.080 --> 0:38:46.880
<v Speaker 2>talk about it. Thank you, Tom. Your your head is

0:38:46.920 --> 0:38:47.520
<v Speaker 2>all red.

0:38:48.040 --> 0:38:49.640
<v Speaker 3>They got to feel a little lightheaded.

0:38:49.680 --> 0:38:54.440
<v Speaker 2>Actually. Raymond in California, Hi, Raymond, good morning. What's on

0:38:54.480 --> 0:38:54.839
<v Speaker 2>your mind?

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<v Speaker 8>You're going my first time call them six to eighty pounds.

0:39:00.800 --> 0:39:02.719
<v Speaker 8>I just want to talk about the Bill Belichick. I

0:39:02.760 --> 0:39:03.920
<v Speaker 8>want to come to his defense.

0:39:04.040 --> 0:39:04.200
<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 8>Look, Bill Belichick is in his seventies and he has

0:39:07.160 --> 0:39:10.160
<v Speaker 8>a twenty four year old girlfriend. How many older men

0:39:10.200 --> 0:39:14.200
<v Speaker 8>out there pretty much really date women in their own

0:39:14.200 --> 0:39:16.800
<v Speaker 8>age brackets not too many. So I have no problem

0:39:16.800 --> 0:39:19.160
<v Speaker 8>with Bill Belichick dating a twenty four years O.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, But Raymond, you're missing the point. Yes, there are

0:39:23.160 --> 0:39:27.160
<v Speaker 2>men who date much younger women, absolutely, but this has

0:39:27.200 --> 0:39:31.719
<v Speaker 2>to do with the control of a football program, his career.

0:39:32.120 --> 0:39:34.799
<v Speaker 2>This is a business. Like if you're a billionaire and

0:39:34.840 --> 0:39:38.520
<v Speaker 2>you're dating somebody younger, is she running your company? Well

0:39:38.560 --> 0:39:42.000
<v Speaker 2>that's the situation you have with Bill Belichick and his girlfriend.

0:39:42.520 --> 0:39:47.560
<v Speaker 2>By all accounts, she is in giving the appearance running

0:39:47.560 --> 0:39:50.040
<v Speaker 2>the show here. She's telling him what he can and

0:39:50.120 --> 0:39:53.480
<v Speaker 2>cannot say. That's why this is a little more than

0:39:54.600 --> 0:39:57.280
<v Speaker 2>a guy dating somebody fifty years younger than him.

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<v Speaker 8>Okay, I don't think so I saw it to do it.

0:40:00.480 --> 0:40:02.799
<v Speaker 8>Just because she said, look, we're not talking about that.

0:40:02.800 --> 0:40:06.000
<v Speaker 8>That's just something maybe they just did not want to discussions,

0:40:06.040 --> 0:40:08.919
<v Speaker 8>doesn't mean that she's running him. I don't think she's

0:40:09.000 --> 0:40:10.920
<v Speaker 8>running him. She just didn't want to talk about it.

0:40:10.960 --> 0:40:13.960
<v Speaker 8>And and Bill Belichick is a good coach, and I'm

0:40:13.960 --> 0:40:16.600
<v Speaker 8>gonna watch all of his UNC games and they don't

0:40:16.640 --> 0:40:16.880
<v Speaker 8>have no.

0:40:17.239 --> 0:40:22.359
<v Speaker 2>I'm watching too. But and thank you, Raymond. She interrupted

0:40:22.360 --> 0:40:26.239
<v Speaker 2>the interview multiple times. She delayed the interview. This is

0:40:26.280 --> 0:40:32.120
<v Speaker 2>according to CBS, she delayed it thirty minutes, so she

0:40:32.280 --> 0:40:35.160
<v Speaker 2>made it about herself while trying not to make it

0:40:35.160 --> 0:40:37.840
<v Speaker 2>about herself. And if you're gonna post photos of you

0:40:38.000 --> 0:40:41.080
<v Speaker 2>posing on the beach as a mermaid and he's the

0:40:41.120 --> 0:40:47.920
<v Speaker 2>Morton salt guy, people are gonna ask those questions. And

0:40:47.960 --> 0:40:52.200
<v Speaker 2>then when she says, we're not talking about it, Morton Saltly,

0:40:53.440 --> 0:41:00.080
<v Speaker 2>this is real life. Yes, she's got him coseplaying. What

0:41:00.120 --> 0:41:03.880
<v Speaker 2>do you want me to dress up like today? Yes?

0:41:05.040 --> 0:41:07.640
<v Speaker 2>And I get it all right, I'll do that. You

0:41:08.400 --> 0:41:09.600
<v Speaker 2>want me to be a fisherman?

0:41:10.400 --> 0:41:11.920
<v Speaker 3>Sure? In our privacy?

0:41:12.040 --> 0:41:16.879
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if you put those pictures out, people are gonna

0:41:16.920 --> 0:41:21.040
<v Speaker 2>ask about it. And if you interrupt the conversation. Numerous

0:41:21.080 --> 0:41:24.320
<v Speaker 2>times I would have said, either be in the interview

0:41:24.440 --> 0:41:31.600
<v Speaker 2>or be out of the interview room. I wasn't planning

0:41:31.600 --> 0:41:36.520
<v Speaker 2>on watching that interview, but then I was like, can't

0:41:36.520 --> 0:41:40.560
<v Speaker 2>stop thinking about it? And you wear a navy sweatshirt.

0:41:41.040 --> 0:41:44.600
<v Speaker 2>You're the North Carolina head coach. Could it have gone

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<v Speaker 2>any worse than it did? Charles Barkley Final Hour