WEBVTT - 042024 Headlines of Police Misconduct (Part 2) 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:02.200 People. I'm riding with us is we continue to broadcast 0:00:02.240 --> 0:00:04.520 the balance and defend the discourse from these hip hop 0:00:04.559 --> 0:00:06.840 weekly studios. Welcome back to Civic Cipher. I am your host, 0:00:06.920 --> 0:00:07.560 Ramsy's job. 0:00:07.680 --> 0:00:08.799 He is Rams's job. 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:13.520 I h I can still be c today. All right, 0:00:13.600 --> 0:00:17.800 I've been working on I need some Q I'll be 0:00:17.880 --> 0:00:19.160 you today, all right, I need. 0:00:18.960 --> 0:00:22.480 That, Okay, all right, Well, please stay tuned if you 0:00:22.560 --> 0:00:24.000 missed out. On the first part of the show, we 0:00:24.160 --> 0:00:30.800 were discussing how increases in police spending don't translate to 0:00:31.120 --> 0:00:35.400 decreases in crime rates. And we're going to spend this 0:00:35.440 --> 0:00:40.599 part of the show discussing some headlines, some some stories 0:00:40.600 --> 0:00:46.120 of police corruption, overreach, brutality, what have you that we 0:00:46.159 --> 0:00:48.839 haven't been able to get to the past few weeks, 0:00:48.920 --> 0:00:51.720 just because we've been tackling other issues. So a lot 0:00:51.760 --> 0:00:53.959 to stick around for and we hope that you do. 0:00:54.360 --> 0:00:57.680 But before we get to the meat and potatoes, we 0:00:57.720 --> 0:01:00.560 are going to discuss b A b A becoming a 0:01:00.560 --> 0:01:06.160 better ally BABA. Today's BABA comes courtesy of Friends of 0:01:06.200 --> 0:01:07.880 the Movement. You can sign up for the free voter 0:01:07.959 --> 0:01:11.160 wallet from fotmglobal dot com to support black businesses and 0:01:11.240 --> 0:01:13.959 allied businesses as well as make an impact with your spending. Again, 0:01:13.959 --> 0:01:17.760 that's fotmglobal dot com and today I am sharing from 0:01:17.800 --> 0:01:21.240 Black Enterprise. This is a fantastic example of becoming a 0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:25.160 better ally. Livingstone College has a very wealthy secret admirer. 0:01:25.280 --> 0:01:29.080 The North Carolina HBCU, that is historically black college or university, 0:01:29.360 --> 0:01:33.280 has now received its third anonymous donation of a million dollars. 0:01:33.680 --> 0:01:36.160 The three donations were given in less than a six 0:01:36.240 --> 0:01:39.880 month period by the same anonymous party, has announced by 0:01:39.880 --> 0:01:43.400 the school's president, doctor Anthony J. Davis, on March eleventh. 0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:45.399 They are as soon to have been donated by a 0:01:45.400 --> 0:01:48.280 member of its extended community and are the largest ever 0:01:48.320 --> 0:01:52.560 received anonymously by Livingstone. The Christian based HBCU received the 0:01:52.560 --> 0:01:56.160 first of the unrestricted donations in October of twenty twenty three, 0:01:56.720 --> 0:01:59.760 as shared by the president during its homecoming festivities. The 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:02.559 owner sent the money with the message quote I trust 0:02:02.560 --> 0:02:05.440 you will address the needs of the college unquote. According 0:02:05.480 --> 0:02:08.240 to the Star of Zion, President Davis noted that its 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:11.519 unrestricted nature will allow the school to address multiple needs 0:02:11.960 --> 0:02:14.720 quote thank you. This type of contribution allows the college 0:02:14.760 --> 0:02:21.079 to allocate funds strategically by enhancing academic programs, expanding scholarship opportunities, 0:02:21.320 --> 0:02:28.000 and investing in innovative facilities and technologies. So there's no 0:02:28.040 --> 0:02:34.079 two ways about it. Money money shapes outcomes. On this show, 0:02:34.120 --> 0:02:38.440 we talk about police, we talk about political disenfranchise when 0:02:38.480 --> 0:02:42.120 we talk about a ton of things that affect marginalized communities, 0:02:42.560 --> 0:02:49.200 But the primary driver behind all of these is economic 0:02:49.240 --> 0:02:52.560 empowerment money. The importance of money cannot be understated. If 0:02:52.560 --> 0:02:55.480 you are in a position to donate, please donate because 0:02:55.480 --> 0:02:56.520 money moves the needle. 0:02:56.600 --> 0:03:01.800 I already said one time for refreiation, on time reparation. 0:03:01.960 --> 0:03:05.480 Listen talk to him. Q, all right, first up, how 0:03:05.520 --> 0:03:08.760 about this? I'll read these. You give me what you got. 0:03:10.240 --> 0:03:13.880 Let's do it that way. Do all right? All of 0:03:13.880 --> 0:03:16.240 these are from the Black Information Network. For those who 0:03:16.280 --> 0:03:18.360 don't know, you can check out me and Q on 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:22.919 the Black Information Network. During the week. We talk about 0:03:23.320 --> 0:03:26.200 obviously topics like these, but we talk about other topics 0:03:26.240 --> 0:03:29.480 as well. Q knows a lot of stuff, and I'm 0:03:29.520 --> 0:03:31.200 always in awe of his brilliance. 0:03:31.600 --> 0:03:33.880 I try to keep up. I hope you guys don't 0:03:33.919 --> 0:03:38.200 listen around this book. Nurse talking like this anyway, anyway, 0:03:38.360 --> 0:03:39.960 it's all true anyway, all right. 0:03:40.200 --> 0:03:44.160 First up, a Louisiana police officer was caught on video 0:03:44.640 --> 0:03:48.160 putting an unarmed black man in an illegal chokehold at 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:53.560 a Boldine festival. According to attorneys, and according to KADN, 0:03:54.160 --> 0:03:57.160 Anthony Wayne Babino Junior was waiting for a friend to 0:03:57.200 --> 0:04:00.480 bring him money to get into the Scott Bodine Festival 0:04:00.560 --> 0:04:03.080 earlier this month when an officer put him in a 0:04:03.160 --> 0:04:07.320 cardioid hole. Civil rights attorney Harry M. Daniels and Harry L. 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:11.000 Daniels the third said, citing video of the incident, officers 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:14.440 are prohibited from using cardioid holds or restraints where the 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:16.400 two main arteries that carry blood to the head and 0:04:16.440 --> 0:04:19.680 neck are restricted in the state of Louisiana, unless authorities 0:04:19.680 --> 0:04:22.239 believe they or another person are at risk of harm. 0:04:22.360 --> 0:04:26.640 According to the attorneys, Babino was in clear physical distress 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:29.000 and on the verge of passing out while placed in 0:04:29.040 --> 0:04:33.200 the cardioid hold. Attorneys identified the officer as Lieutenant Bruin Laverne. 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:37.160 And that's the carotid artery is what gets blocked when 0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:38.040 you're being choked out. 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:40.360 I told you he knows Q knows this stuff. Man, 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:43.440 I'm just doing my desk, all right. Daniel suggested the 0:04:43.440 --> 0:04:47.200 incident reflects a pattern of excessive force by Louisiana police. 0:04:47.200 --> 0:04:49.239 I'd go along with that given the amount of stories 0:04:49.240 --> 0:04:52.200 that we cover out of Louisiana. Quote. The insult to 0:04:52.279 --> 0:04:56.240 injury to this is that the guy is a training officer, 0:04:56.560 --> 0:04:59.320 Daniel said in a statement. Goes on to say, he's 0:04:59.320 --> 0:05:02.640 a lieutenant, he's an officer, he's over the division, and 0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:05.680 he's responsible for the training of the officers. If he 0:05:05.760 --> 0:05:09.400 isn't in fact engaging in these matters, and this is 0:05:09.480 --> 0:05:12.200 not a one off event, you can imagine how he's 0:05:12.320 --> 0:05:14.919 training the subordinates under him and what type of product 0:05:15.000 --> 0:05:18.640 is on the street in the city of Scott. Quote. 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:21.840 If this is the kind of reckless brutality he's teaching 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:25.080 to the younger officers, then this problem goes a lot deeper, 0:05:25.160 --> 0:05:28.719 the Attorney's added for News One. Scott Police Chief Chad 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:31.160 Ledger declined to comment on the video, but noted an 0:05:31.160 --> 0:05:35.040 investigation into the incident would launch on April fifteen. All right, 0:05:35.960 --> 0:05:36.880 both barrels. 0:05:36.600 --> 0:05:42.560 Ki, So the Scott Police are going to launch an 0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:47.559 investigation into the Scott Police to see if the Scott 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:52.240 police be tripping and if there should be any consequence 0:05:52.680 --> 0:06:00.679 or punitive damages for said tripping. Is that what I'm understand. 0:06:00.680 --> 0:06:01.840 That's basically what. 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:07.840 The chief statement was. No comment, but we're gonna look 0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:11.560 into ourselves. You said something to see if we be tripping. 0:06:12.040 --> 0:06:14.600 You said something before, you said, we have a clip 0:06:14.640 --> 0:06:17.280 on our social media follow us at cif except what 0:06:17.400 --> 0:06:19.520 you said, the police police, what do you say? The 0:06:19.520 --> 0:06:20.119 police police? 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:25.640 The police, police police, and the police is crazy because 0:06:25.680 --> 0:06:30.839 like even internal affairs is the police, right. So my 0:06:31.000 --> 0:06:38.480 uncle retired from the Detroit Police Department Inspector Harold Scott, 0:06:39.160 --> 0:06:46.960 Chief Inspector Internal Affairs, Detroit Police Department. He was Detroit policeman. 0:06:47.480 --> 0:06:51.680 He was Detroit Police officer, Harold Scott. He wasn't independent 0:06:52.279 --> 0:06:58.160 Communal Investigation Services officer Harold Scott, no community police officer 0:06:58.720 --> 0:07:04.200 Harold Scott. And his job was to investigate the Detroit Police. 0:07:04.400 --> 0:07:07.919 I think my uncle is incredible, but he was the 0:07:07.960 --> 0:07:12.960 police and his job was to investigate the police. There's 0:07:12.960 --> 0:07:16.400 a conflict there and that's just he my uncle. He's 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:18.760 actually the most honorable man probably in my whole life 0:07:18.800 --> 0:07:20.960 growing up but as I say that out loud, it 0:07:21.040 --> 0:07:30.560 sound crazy, It sounds so obviously in conflict. So there's 0:07:30.600 --> 0:07:32.360 this thing that we figured out a way. 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:33.040 To do ramses. 0:07:33.040 --> 0:07:35.800 And this is not even really specific to this topic, 0:07:37.480 --> 0:07:40.160 but the thing that bugs me the most, and it 0:07:40.200 --> 0:07:42.800 makes me the most fearful and the most hopeless and 0:07:42.840 --> 0:07:45.520 the most discouraged about this time and history and this 0:07:45.600 --> 0:07:48.240 time in our lives because I still remember what the 0:07:48.280 --> 0:07:53.080 eighties nineties were like. The lack of empathy and humanity 0:07:53.760 --> 0:08:02.679 in society at large is really, really, really heartbreaking because 0:08:02.720 --> 0:08:04.920 a lot of these stories, be it politics, be it 0:08:06.000 --> 0:08:09.440 you know, geopolitical, be it war, be it law enforcement, 0:08:10.040 --> 0:08:13.640 it's really just people saying, look, man, my na ain't Bennet, 0:08:13.720 --> 0:08:16.239 and I ain't in it. That ain't my name is Paul, 0:08:16.320 --> 0:08:19.200 And yeah, that ain't my son, that ain't my house, 0:08:19.280 --> 0:08:21.320 that ain't my money. So that ain't my problem. So 0:08:21.360 --> 0:08:25.720 I kind of don't care about everything, right because some 0:08:25.760 --> 0:08:27.720 of the stuff that we're covering. Man, Like I leave 0:08:27.760 --> 0:08:30.440 here sick to my stomach and sad and discouraged and 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:35.600 like I said, hopeless, because there is no solution. There 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:38.840 is no hope for a solution because so many people 0:08:38.880 --> 0:08:42.680 don't care anymore. Right, when we were young, what you 0:08:42.840 --> 0:08:44.640 used to be able to do to somebody that was 0:08:44.760 --> 0:08:49.440 tripping was shame them. You know, when I talk about 0:08:49.440 --> 0:08:52.120 our former president, that's the thing that went away with 0:08:52.200 --> 0:08:57.280 him the most. You were ashamed to be outed as 0:08:57.320 --> 0:08:58.880 a racist once upon a time. 0:09:00.360 --> 0:09:03.800 Now you get a platform to naw you. 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:07.480 The truth, right like the the the the other party, 0:09:09.200 --> 0:09:11.439 And we pay attention to this most in more than 0:09:11.520 --> 0:09:13.640 most of the world because this is what we do. 0:09:14.640 --> 0:09:19.680 They're not even how do I say this, They're not 0:09:19.720 --> 0:09:26.480 even campaigning on any policy, like none, They're campaigning on 0:09:26.559 --> 0:09:30.880 division and hate. They're just pointing at groups and encouraging 0:09:30.920 --> 0:09:31.440 you to hate. 0:09:31.480 --> 0:09:34.880 Are you afraid of them? Are you fearful us too? Yeah, 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:36.440 let's click up vote for me. 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:39.200 It's like, wow, you're not even like you're not even 0:09:39.720 --> 0:09:43.360 being politicians anymore. It's like full fear, hate mongering all 0:09:43.360 --> 0:09:49.400 the time. So it's like, I don't man, I don't know, man, 0:09:49.440 --> 0:09:54.040 watching empathy and humanity just deteriorate and go away, and 0:09:54.160 --> 0:09:58.040 we talk about stories like this. You know you shouldn't 0:09:58.080 --> 0:10:02.400 do that to that man, because you know someone shouldn't 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:05.760 do that to you. Like, it's not more complicated than that. 0:10:06.480 --> 0:10:08.480 You shouldn't be okay with that officer doing that to 0:10:08.520 --> 0:10:10.160 that man, because you wouldn't be okay with him doing 0:10:10.160 --> 0:10:12.160 it to you or your wife or your kids. You 0:10:12.200 --> 0:10:15.440 wouldn't be. You know, you wouldn't be. But because the 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:17.560 person he's doing it too looks like me, and you've 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:19.439 decided that I'm worth less than you and that i'm 0:10:19.480 --> 0:10:22.520 by nature or criminal anyway, then I probably deserved it. 0:10:22.600 --> 0:10:23.840 Like that's nuts. 0:10:24.320 --> 0:10:30.360 Well, save some of that optimism that I hear in 0:10:30.400 --> 0:10:34.280 your voice for these other two stories. Man, you heard 0:10:34.280 --> 0:10:38.640 no optimism for me. Just be it funny for those 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:41.480 that might be newer to the show. Q's historically a 0:10:41.480 --> 0:10:43.720 little bit more realistic in his approach, and I tend 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:46.360 to be a little bit more. We'll make it. I 0:10:46.400 --> 0:10:48.480 do believe that, and I know that we wouldn't make 0:10:48.480 --> 0:10:50.160 this show if we didn't on some level, on some 0:10:50.240 --> 0:10:52.680 cellular level, think that we can all live in a 0:10:52.720 --> 0:10:54.000 better society at some point. 0:10:54.040 --> 0:10:55.720 See Rams's hopes. 0:10:56.559 --> 0:11:00.839 I wish I wish that, which people knew the other 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:04.360 the end of that statement, that's a that's a very 0:11:04.480 --> 0:11:06.880 very uh. That was a black moment in radio right now, 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:13.120 becus inside inside. It's a community inside joke. I wish 0:11:13.160 --> 0:11:15.480 I could tell the rest of it, but anyway, all right, 0:11:15.520 --> 0:11:19.200 next up. It's also from the Black Information Network. Body 0:11:19.240 --> 0:11:22.679 camera footage shows the moments surrounding a black man dying 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:26.839 in police custody at a Dallas hospital in twenty twenty two. 0:11:27.080 --> 0:11:30.240 Per CBS News, Kenneth Knotts, age forty one, was driving 0:11:30.240 --> 0:11:32.760 from Houston Dallas with a woman and two of his 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:37.040 children on November twenty nine, two when his tire blew 0:11:37.080 --> 0:11:39.960 out in Hutchins, Texas. According to a complaint filed by 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:43.520 attorney Jeff Henley, the situation calls Knots to have a 0:11:43.600 --> 0:11:47.720 mental breakdown, his mom said, sighting an account of from 0:11:47.760 --> 0:11:52.520 the female passenger, police found Knots holding an infant on 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:55.280 top of a vehicle at a convenience store on Interstate 0:11:55.320 --> 0:11:58.440 forty five. Knots was arrested and taken to ut Southwestern 0:11:58.440 --> 0:12:01.880 Medical Center for a psych evaluation. Body camera footage, which 0:12:02.000 --> 0:12:05.640 was released to the public last week, begins after Notts 0:12:05.679 --> 0:12:09.560 attempted to escape the hospital. In the footage, Knots pleaded 0:12:10.080 --> 0:12:12.920 for water as multiple officers held him down on a 0:12:12.920 --> 0:12:16.280 hospital dead I can't breathe, the man said. At one 0:12:16.320 --> 0:12:20.560 point during the struggle, Knots body went completely still. No pulse, 0:12:20.679 --> 0:12:23.160 no pulse. Medical staff can be heard yelling in the video. 0:12:23.480 --> 0:12:29.440 Knots was later pronounced dead. I saw this video and 0:12:29.520 --> 0:12:37.360 it was a lot more sad than this account really 0:12:39.920 --> 0:12:44.280 would suggest. You could see a man that was clearly 0:12:44.280 --> 0:12:54.360 in distress, and you see a human being lose his life, 0:12:55.000 --> 0:13:00.560 clearly afraid. At one moment, he's trying to move and 0:13:00.640 --> 0:13:03.080 trying to leave and trying to he's asking for water 0:13:03.160 --> 0:13:03.800 and he's just panic. 0:13:04.040 --> 0:13:07.880 It's important to note he's trying to not die. 0:13:08.040 --> 0:13:09.839 Yeah, he's not. He's not fighting anywhere. He's not like 0:13:09.880 --> 0:13:10.480 wrestling or. 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:13.360 Even if he's fighting. I can't breathe, and you won't 0:13:13.440 --> 0:13:15.600 let me breathe. So I'm going to try to do 0:13:15.679 --> 0:13:18.880 anything I can to keep it not pass away right now. 0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:21.280 Yeah, and then in the next I mean, I think 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:25.439 there's a cut in the video, but just a couple 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:28.720 of I mean, the immediate next frame in the video 0:13:28.840 --> 0:13:30.560 is them you know when they do they pump your 0:13:30.640 --> 0:13:33.680 chest and they're saying out loud one, two, three, So 0:13:34.440 --> 0:13:39.040 it's just it's kind of a sad result of the video. 0:13:39.160 --> 0:13:40.840 You would think, Okay, let's get him some water, let's 0:13:40.840 --> 0:13:43.320 calm him down, let's get him restrained, or whatever is 0:13:43.320 --> 0:13:43.920 going on there. 0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:49.520 But it's not. He's he's sub human. Yeah, he's bad 0:13:49.600 --> 0:13:53.160 by nature, he's criminal by nature. He's beneath me. Does 0:13:53.200 --> 0:13:55.080 not matter that he can't breathe, It does not matter 0:13:55.080 --> 0:13:58.040 that he needs water. It does not matter if he 0:13:58.040 --> 0:14:03.360 doesn't survive this, because I'm going to be fine. I 0:14:03.440 --> 0:14:07.160 might get reassigned, i might get paid time off, i 0:14:07.240 --> 0:14:09.200 might have to be an officer at a different agency 0:14:09.240 --> 0:14:12.000 after this, but I'm going to be fine. And this 0:14:12.040 --> 0:14:14.240 is how I feel like treating him right now. So 0:14:14.320 --> 0:14:16.120 this is how I'm going to treat him right now. 0:14:16.360 --> 0:14:20.400 And Ramsas and Q and you, sir or ma'am, can 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:23.720 be as upset as you want. But I'm protected. I 0:14:23.760 --> 0:14:26.880 have qualified immunity. I have a very strong union, and 0:14:28.000 --> 0:14:30.200 worst case scenario, I'll get a slap on the wrists, 0:14:31.120 --> 0:14:33.680 or even if I lose my job, I won't there 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:37.000 won't be any real accountability or real penalty, And most 0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:39.160 likely I'll go over to the next city or the 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:40.960 next county. I can get a job. 0:14:41.480 --> 0:14:44.360 Yeah, I think that's what happened with the guy that 0:14:44.440 --> 0:14:44.800 ended up. 0:14:44.840 --> 0:14:47.040 So why not treat people that I see as beneath 0:14:47.080 --> 0:14:50.040 me and not human and less than my dog anyway, 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:53.040 why not treat them terribly? 0:14:53.400 --> 0:14:54.000 You know what's funny. 0:14:54.000 --> 0:14:55.160 It's going to happen if I do. 0:14:55.240 --> 0:14:57.480 You know it's funny. I'm glad you mentioned them. Oh 0:14:57.480 --> 0:15:01.680 real quick, you mentioned officers going from on county over 0:15:01.720 --> 0:15:04.480 to the next county. I believe that's what happened with 0:15:05.000 --> 0:15:07.240 the officer. We covered a story recently. You may have 0:15:07.840 --> 0:15:10.800 heard of this story either on the shore or elsewhere, 0:15:11.320 --> 0:15:13.760 but we covered a story where an acorn fell off 0:15:13.760 --> 0:15:16.360 of a tree and landed on top of a police 0:15:17.280 --> 0:15:20.280 suv and the officer pulled out his gun and just 0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:23.160 emptied his clip into the gun, thinking that the handcuffed 0:15:23.200 --> 0:15:25.360 black man in the back seat had shot at him. 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:27.280 But it was, of course the acorn. It fell from 0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:30.640 the tree. So he had his video. You know, the 0:15:30.720 --> 0:15:32.800 ticks forever for those videos to come out, just because 0:15:32.920 --> 0:15:34.720 police try to play those close to the chest and 0:15:34.720 --> 0:15:38.280 hope they'd fly under the radar anyway, right before they 0:15:39.000 --> 0:15:44.240 found their conclusions, he resigned so he didn't technically get fired. 0:15:44.360 --> 0:15:47.520 So I suspect someone tipped him off. They're probably going 0:15:47.560 --> 0:15:50.280 to come down fire you, So you should quit tonight 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:53.040 so that it doesn't say that you're fired, and then 0:15:53.080 --> 0:15:54.840 you can get employed elsewhere. And I think he ended 0:15:54.920 --> 0:15:56.640 up getting employed elsewhere. The other thing I was going 0:15:56.720 --> 0:16:01.800 to say had to do with this thing that I 0:16:01.800 --> 0:16:03.320 saw on this show that I used to watch a 0:16:03.320 --> 0:16:06.000 long time ago. I was watching a rerun recently show 0:16:06.040 --> 0:16:13.200 called Community, and there's a scene where they start talking 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:17.040 about they're talking about like racism on the campus or 0:16:17.840 --> 0:16:20.560 in life or something like that, and then the subject 0:16:20.560 --> 0:16:25.080 switches to like someone was being cruel to an animal. 0:16:25.080 --> 0:16:26.600 And there was a white woman on the show, she's 0:16:26.600 --> 0:16:28.840 one of the characters. She goes, Hey, you know what, 0:16:29.280 --> 0:16:31.560 I can excuse racism, but I draw the line at 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:36.120 animal cruelty. And then the black woman in the scene 0:16:36.160 --> 0:16:38.520 she goes, you can excuse racism, you know what I mean? 0:16:38.520 --> 0:16:40.360 And everyone has this moment. So shout out to the 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:43.520 writers for but I think, real quick, and I want 0:16:43.560 --> 0:16:45.240 you to jump back in, but real quick, I think 0:16:45.280 --> 0:16:48.040 that for those that actually do watch this video again, 0:16:48.120 --> 0:16:49.880 Kenneth not. You can find the video on the Black 0:16:49.880 --> 0:16:54.080 Information Network's website. I don't recommend it. You're going to 0:16:54.120 --> 0:16:56.000 see a human being losers life. But for those that 0:16:56.440 --> 0:16:59.920 watch that video and think, yeah, he deserved it or 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:02.760 whatever it is you think, just imagine if this was 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:05.520 happening to a dog, how would you feel and why 0:17:05.600 --> 0:17:08.280 you don't feel that way about it happening to a 0:17:08.280 --> 0:17:11.000 black man. And I think that you'll see Q's point 0:17:11.320 --> 0:17:12.280 in that moment, But. 0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:17.760 You're saying that just kind of I don't know if 0:17:17.760 --> 0:17:20.480 triggered is the right word, but kind of made me 0:17:20.560 --> 0:17:26.600 relapse to a moment in my own kind of subconscious 0:17:27.280 --> 0:17:30.199 conversation that I had to have with people close to 0:17:30.240 --> 0:17:35.000 me after our former president became president and during his presidency, 0:17:35.000 --> 0:17:37.440 when people that I know and cared about would check 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:45.480 me in his defense, there's a determination where you hear 0:17:45.520 --> 0:17:50.359 people say out loud, yes, I know he's a bigoted, sexist, 0:17:51.280 --> 0:17:55.560 racist jerk. Yeah, I know he's an awful human being. 0:17:57.240 --> 0:17:59.760 And you know that after they say all that, they're 0:17:59.760 --> 0:18:02.200 going to give you some type of qualifier to explain 0:18:02.240 --> 0:18:05.080 why he still has their support. And it's funny that 0:18:05.119 --> 0:18:11.639 you said that because xenophobia, white supremacist, white nationalists, racist bigot, 0:18:12.200 --> 0:18:16.760 you know sexist. I'm trying to find more offensive things 0:18:16.800 --> 0:18:19.480 to say about them, which are all true, and none 0:18:19.480 --> 0:18:23.119 of them are disqualifiers for so many people, people that 0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:25.160 we know, people that we've come in contact with, people 0:18:25.160 --> 0:18:29.359 who we've had conversations with. It is a really, really 0:18:29.400 --> 0:18:33.160 troubling thing. That's some close to one hundred million Americans 0:18:34.040 --> 0:18:37.399 proudly wear this man's name on their clothes, post pictures 0:18:37.440 --> 0:18:39.600 and flags of them on their houses and their cars. 0:18:40.400 --> 0:18:44.280 This identity politics with this person. They found such a 0:18:44.359 --> 0:18:51.240 strong and fitrial connection with It's scary man and he's 0:18:51.280 --> 0:18:53.159 on he's what how many indictments? 0:18:53.200 --> 0:18:59.840 Now? Man, I lost camp and none of those things 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:05.240 qualify him. He's on criminal trial now being well. 0:19:05.119 --> 0:19:07.879 You say former president, but he's the he's the leader 0:19:07.960 --> 0:19:10.800 in the clubhouse now to be the next president. 0:19:10.840 --> 0:19:14.600 Can I add something? Watch this one of the things 0:19:14.600 --> 0:19:17.160 that I never really understood. And for the art, because 0:19:17.160 --> 0:19:20.280 we do have a handful of conservative listeners and Republican 0:19:20.359 --> 0:19:23.520 voters that that listen to our show every week. One 0:19:23.560 --> 0:19:26.600 of the things I never understood, And anybody who's hearing 0:19:26.600 --> 0:19:31.199 my voice, feel free to help me out. I have 0:19:31.400 --> 0:19:34.840 never in my life heard of a ku klux Klansman 0:19:36.840 --> 0:19:44.320 voting or Democrat. Not in modern history, right, I've never 0:19:44.359 --> 0:19:46.720 heard of this version of the Democratic Party. And I've 0:19:46.760 --> 0:19:51.919 never heard of an Aryan nation or skinhead or a 0:19:52.040 --> 0:19:56.439 Nazi voting for a Democrat. All of those people and 0:19:56.480 --> 0:19:59.600 the people that are they don't they don't technically fit 0:19:59.640 --> 0:20:01.600 into those groups, but they feel a lot of the 0:20:01.640 --> 0:20:05.399 ways that they feel basically racist people. They don't vote 0:20:06.200 --> 0:20:10.760 this way, they vote that way. In other words, conservativism 0:20:10.920 --> 0:20:15.080 encompasses all of these hate groups, hate. 0:20:14.920 --> 0:20:18.000 Magnan and encompasses it more. 0:20:17.880 --> 0:20:22.520 So watch this. So watch what I'm gonna say me, Ramses. 0:20:23.520 --> 0:20:26.760 If I had to cast a vote and I knew 0:20:26.760 --> 0:20:29.000 that I was under the same umbrella as those people, 0:20:29.080 --> 0:20:33.880 I would seriously reevaluate how I want to be remembered 0:20:33.920 --> 0:20:37.000 in the world. Am I shaping a world that benefits 0:20:37.040 --> 0:20:39.800 people like that? Like it's just I'm voting with and 0:20:39.880 --> 0:20:42.520 like them. But I think that, you know, because sometimes 0:20:42.560 --> 0:20:44.800 we'll say, you know, there are some Republican people, and 0:20:45.400 --> 0:20:47.800 a lot of Republican people and a lot of conservative pople. 0:20:47.800 --> 0:20:49.919 They're good people, but at a point you have to 0:20:50.000 --> 0:20:52.600 reconcile that. I'd imagine real quick I'm going to get 0:20:52.600 --> 0:20:54.639 this last one off before we go. I'm just going 0:20:54.680 --> 0:20:56.359 to read it real quick. This last one comes from 0:20:56.359 --> 0:20:59.320 the Black Information Network, of course. A Tallyhouseie, Florida police 0:20:59.359 --> 0:21:02.040 officer appeared to be caught on camera opening a sealed 0:21:02.040 --> 0:21:04.920 bottle of alcohol and planting it as evidence to charge 0:21:04.960 --> 0:21:08.680 a black man with a dui per our. Tallahassee Calvin 0:21:09.240 --> 0:21:11.359 Riley Senior, age fifty six, was pulled over for a 0:21:11.440 --> 0:21:14.080 routine traffic stop in May twenty twenty three when police 0:21:14.080 --> 0:21:16.719 discovered he was driving with a suspended license, and Florida 0:21:16.760 --> 0:21:19.560 officers can decide whether the ticket or rest somebody driving 0:21:19.560 --> 0:21:22.280 with a suspended license. According to our Tallehassee, however, they 0:21:22.320 --> 0:21:25.040 discovered a second If they discover a second offense, police 0:21:25.040 --> 0:21:27.800 are required to conduct an arrest. Body camera footage shows 0:21:27.800 --> 0:21:31.400 Tallahassee Police Department officer Kirsten Oliver speaking to Riley before 0:21:31.440 --> 0:21:34.560 calling another for backup on suspicion that he smelt like marijuana. 0:21:34.560 --> 0:21:37.120 Police then asked the man to perform a voluntary sobriety test, 0:21:37.160 --> 0:21:39.880 to which he refused. Officers detained the man and put 0:21:39.960 --> 0:21:42.920 him back in the police car while searching his car 0:21:42.960 --> 0:21:46.200 authorities found no marijuana, but Oliver discovered a sealed bottle 0:21:46.240 --> 0:21:48.560 of liquor. The officer proceeded to break the sealed, dump 0:21:48.600 --> 0:21:49.960 the liquor out on the street, and then plant the 0:21:49.960 --> 0:21:53.160 empty bottle back in the car. Video shows Oliver suggesting 0:21:53.160 --> 0:21:55.040 the bottle was already opened and the man had the 0:21:55.080 --> 0:21:58.520 alcohol cup in a cup in his vehicle, So we 0:21:58.560 --> 0:22:00.800 can't react to that one, of course, So save your 0:22:00.840 --> 0:22:03.600 thoughts Q or maybe share them online and the people 0:22:03.640 --> 0:22:05.920 will get it. But we have to leave it right there. 0:22:07.560 --> 0:22:09.840 But that's it for us today on Civic Cipher. 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