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Speaker 1: Welcome to Ram's training camp in between the Horns. It's

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Speaker 1: time to get to football season. It feels like the

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Speaker 1: first day of school and maybe the first day of

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Speaker 1: your freshman year of high school. Hi, every one, I'm

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Speaker 1: Cameron Irwin alongside JV Long and DeMarco far and you're

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Speaker 1: already shaking your head.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not taking off my sunglasses. It's training camp.

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Speaker 2: It's hot outside, it's sunny. I look cool in them.

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Speaker 2: Come on, you're shaking your head. I got cold shakes

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Speaker 2: from the first day of freshman year. That was not

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Speaker 2: a good experience. That's not what this is at all.

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Speaker 2: I had a blast, though, Yeah, I mean, but yeah,

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Speaker 2: it is fun. You're back to football. You're seeing, you know,

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Speaker 2: people hitting each other. This is good. This is good.

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Speaker 2: We're back, We're getting ready to track down another Super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: This is fun.

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Speaker 3: There definitely have been first day of school vibes, especially

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Speaker 3: with all the new faces around UC Irvine, But I

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Speaker 3: thought yesterday in particular was more of like the best

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Speaker 3: reunion you've ever had when it's a school reunion or

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Speaker 3: family reunion, just like seeing all the people that you

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Speaker 3: loved to work with and be around. It's that time

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Speaker 3: of year and Hope Springs eternal.

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Speaker 1: Well, everyone is wildly excited, there's no doubt about that.

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Speaker 1: For this twenty twenty three season. Of course, this between

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Speaker 1: don't want any of those. But this between the horse

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Speaker 1: episode is of course presented to you by your Southern

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Speaker 1: California Toyota dealers. And you guys mentioned it, the nerves,

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Speaker 1: the anxiety, and it has been mentioned more often than not,

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Speaker 1: especially by a head coach Sean McVay, that this camp

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Speaker 1: is a little reminiscent of twenty eighteen. And I know

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Speaker 1: that is a season to be remembered. But what have

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Speaker 1: you noticed already just the second day about to get

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Speaker 1: what could take place, this.

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Speaker 2: Team is reminiscent of twenty eighteen. Wors sue, where's all that?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, I've never been more excited to see

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Speaker 2: Sean McVay coach a football team and craft a football

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Speaker 2: team in his image twenty eighteen that tea was loaded.

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Speaker 2: That's a different sort of expectation twenty twenty two, that

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Speaker 2: team was absolutely loaded. There was an expectation there, so

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Speaker 2: the excitement was different. This is gonna be fun. We

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Speaker 2: don't know who the stars are going to be. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: we know you've got Cup, You've got Stafford, You've got Donald.

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Speaker 2: Outside of that, there's room for everyone to step up

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Speaker 2: and become a star. So who is it? We don't know.

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Speaker 2: I do know you have a bunch of good coaches

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Speaker 2: waiting to coach him up, and some pretty good talent

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Speaker 2: on this roster. So this is exciting getting to work,

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Speaker 2: watching these young guys go about their business.

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Speaker 3: Here's what I think he meant by twenty eighteen. I

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Speaker 3: think that had more to do with the spring and

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Speaker 3: the offseason program and the amount of work they were

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Speaker 3: able to get in at full speed. Then this part

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Speaker 3: of the year, training camp in the season head to

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Speaker 3: me is more reminiscent of twenty seventeen Sean's first year,

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Speaker 3: because twenty eighteen otia is when you go through it

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Speaker 3: like seventeen, they're installing a new system right and quite frankly,

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Speaker 3: you're coaching up a quarterback who is coming off an

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Speaker 3: zero to seven start to his rookie season. Twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 3: you're coming off a Super Bowl, so that's a short

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Speaker 3: then twenty twenty one you're at the point where the

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Speaker 3: full bore in May. So I think that's what Sean

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Speaker 3: how to practice, That's what was reminiscent.

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Speaker 1: There's no doubt about that. And one of the other

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Speaker 1: words that's been used time and time again is competition,

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Speaker 1: as there is so much room for competition, and it

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Speaker 1: feels like almost every position group. We have forty plus

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Speaker 1: new faces on the Los Angeles Rams heading into twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty three. At this point, now with the competition taking place,

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Speaker 1: who are some of those competitions in position groups that

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Speaker 2: Well, new faces names. This is why I will never

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Speaker 2: an I'm telling you, it's like you write notes, you

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Speaker 2: if it's the you're one thousand miles an hour in

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Speaker 2: But I'm having so much fun watching this young secondary

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Speaker 2: a coach in Aubrey Pleasant that's coaching them to be themselves,

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Speaker 2: which is what I love. So I said this before,

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Speaker 3: There's like a really fine line to me between practicing

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Speaker 3: is what we've seen the Rams do a lot during

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Speaker 3: the Sean McVay era, versus practicing as if each day

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Speaker 3: is going to determine an outcome come September, right, you

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Speaker 3: know what I mean? Oh yeah, absolutely, you felt that too,

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Speaker 3: in terms of what you're anticipating from this next month ahead.

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Speaker 3: But when, if, and when you come out to join

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Speaker 3: us here at RAMS camp. You're going to see two

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Speaker 3: really popular T shirts among the Rams players and staff members.

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Speaker 2: Did you see all the wording on there these teachers?

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Speaker 2: Two stood out to me.

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Speaker 3: One is modeled away and that's something that Sean McVay

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Speaker 3: has already said quite a bit. And that phrase, to

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Speaker 3: me applies to the coaches and to the veterans who

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Speaker 3: already have a role in the National Football League and

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Speaker 3: mentally and physically tough players who play smart and love

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Speaker 3: to compete, And that to me is directed at everyone

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Speaker 3: else who's auditioning for a roster spot. And the more

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Speaker 3: you can stitch those groups together and synthesize your team

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Speaker 3: between now and kickoff in Seattle, I think the better

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Speaker 3: off the Rams are going to be. Who those specific

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Speaker 3: names are to watch? Which was your question and demark

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Speaker 3: d are in mid season four not answering specific astronomy.

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Speaker 3: Here's what I've I've written down so far. Hugnaku at receiver,

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Speaker 3: Those are two guys who I think can do it

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Speaker 3: as rookies undrafted. Here a couple of names that I've

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Speaker 3: already circled. Collecchi Any Labecchi. I've seen him play before.

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Speaker 3: good sign and guard. Mike McAllister. Two undrafted guys that

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Speaker 3: to pay attention to A Kello Witherspoon. He's played in

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Speaker 3: the league, He's played in the NFC West. He's at

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Speaker 3: that regard, he's the biggest corner next to Robert Rochelle.

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Speaker 3: So when the Rams go through their offseason program and

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Speaker 3: they bring in a veteran like that, to me, it

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Speaker 3: speaks to all right, who's rolling with DK Metcalf in

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, you know what I love about DK Metcalf or

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Speaker 2: what I love about our DK A carry Kendrick. You

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Speaker 2: know what I love about him? He knows he's good.

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Speaker 2: You know what else I hate about him. He knows

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Speaker 2: he's good. But that's the guy I stick on DK

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Speaker 2: Metcalf and say, have a day with that guy. Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you mentioned Witherspoon, and actually to give a little

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Speaker 1: may bring this season, you mentioned the games he's played.

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Speaker 1: He's had sixty games, by the way, he only played

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Speaker 1: and there is one really relevant season that I think

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Speaker 1: that he started as a rookie. He played twelve games

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Speaker 1: that's very relevant.

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Speaker 2: Oh, when you get that start and you get some experience,

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's part of it. I mean, when you

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Speaker 2: I can do this Oh, this is easy. I've been

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Speaker 2: that and he's into that I'm getting better phase, you

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Speaker 2: like you said, there's a lot of snaps to sort out.

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Speaker 2: One of these guys is going to take advantage of it.

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Speaker 1: What can instill confidence? You just use that word, and

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Speaker 1: I think one of the biggest elements is don't forget

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Speaker 1: who we are at our core. We have the big names.

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Speaker 1: We've got ad we have Matthew Stafford, we have Cooper Cup.

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Speaker 1: We are still the Los Angeles Rams from a standpoint.

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Speaker 1: We have big veteran pieces that are leading the way.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting as you look obviously with Aaron Donald, the

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Speaker 1: three time Defensive Player of the Year, nine time Pro bowler.

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Speaker 1: You got Cooper Cup. Take a look at this number

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Speaker 1: for him, second most reception since twenty nineteen and he

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Speaker 1: missed eight games last season alone. I mean, this is

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Speaker 1: a group that can lead a young rookie core. What

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Speaker 1: in terms of communication here at training camp? Yeap number one.

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Speaker 2: We said this in OTAs Matthew Stafford looks terrific. He

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Speaker 2: really does. He looks like he took care of himself.

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Speaker 2: He's ready to go, I mean from top to bottom.

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Speaker 2: So that's number one. Seeing Cooper Cup lead receiver drills

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Speaker 2: smooth like butter. Yeah, I mean absolutely smooth like butter.

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Speaker 2: So watching him and you said lead the way, modeled

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Speaker 2: the way, Well, the first guy that came to mind

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Speaker 2: was Cooper Cup and then Aaron Donald. You know what

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Speaker 2: thirty two? Well, guess what he looks like. He like

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Speaker 2: he did at twenty two.

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Speaker 1: Same thing.

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Speaker 2: He might even look better right now, a little bit

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Speaker 2: and watching him go about his business. Look, it's still

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Speaker 2: about Cooper Cup moving the ball down the field. That

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Speaker 2: is this football team, that's the offense. On defense, it's

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Speaker 2: about Aaron Donald in matchups. So how do you line

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Speaker 2: up with other people where whenever you move Aaron So

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Speaker 2: there's competition for jobs. But those stars that are going

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Speaker 2: to model the way all look like they're ready to

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Speaker 2: lead the way.

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Speaker 3: I love pro football focused dearly, and when I read

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Speaker 3: that they have the Rams roster ranked thirty one out

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Speaker 3: of thirty two teams or whatever it was, and just

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Speaker 3: about everything else in that space that we've all ingested

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Speaker 3: When you have a chance to buy a blue chip

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Speaker 3: So the great thing about those teams that I mentioned,

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Speaker 2: How long do you think it would take? Pete Carroll

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Speaker 3: And it's a different kind of continuity here, right, Like

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Speaker 3: Their fullest potential is still out there. I think what

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Speaker 2: I really do. I think their best days are still

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Well, let's get our focus right back here.

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Speaker 1: No, we've been told twenty. I just stopped looking over

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Speaker 2: It was doing was a lot more trying to tell

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Speaker 3: Our boss, You're always like, hey, no one is going

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Speaker 2: I'm like, Jory, are you kidding me?

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Speaker 3: I have a document called twenty twenty three rams offseason

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Speaker 1: Well, I've got another fun one for you. A question

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Speaker 3: Those year two guys, to me, are the difference between

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Speaker 2: Steven Avida, I want out of Vita al Vida. That

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Speaker 3: And I'm not saying all those guys I just rattle

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Speaker 1: So I just want to clarify you both chose class.

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Speaker 3: get you back, but yeah, I wanted to play this game.

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Speaker 3: I got two Hamburg to Marco and you picked something

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Speaker 3: out or did you burn yours?

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Speaker 2: Alread? Oh, go ahead, gohead, I got I got one

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Speaker 2: for you. Yeah, okay, my first one is forty five.

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Speaker 2: What's forty five? Forty five? Bobby Wagner, No, he's gone, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I see you. Okay, forty five.

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Speaker 3: Give me forty five games played in the regular season

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Speaker 3: by your load bearing walls eighty Stafford Cup, Wow, forty five.

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00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:33,320
Speaker 3: That trio misses no more than say, six starts collectively.

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Speaker 3: I think the Rams are playing beyond the regular season.

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Speaker 2: You mean none for Stafford. Stafford doesn't miss that.

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Speaker 1: I'm not Cup.

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to tell you how you rearrange those,

447
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Speaker 3: but like, yeah, just forty If your dudes, who we've

448
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Speaker 3: already talked at length about are there for the bulk

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Speaker 3: of the seventeen, I think this this group has something.

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Speaker 3: The other one is nine or maybe nine and a half.

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Speaker 3: You want, if you want to get technical, that's how

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Speaker 3: many wins. Sean McVay needs to match Chuck Knox for

453
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Speaker 3: second all time in franchises.

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Speaker 2: No way, wow, win Chuck Knox, Oh my god.

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Speaker 3: Or he could his rip off fifteen and two and

456
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Speaker 3: go for John Robinson here in twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 2: I see you, Okay, Yeah, Chuck Knuts was the scariest

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Speaker 2: coach I've ever had in my life. But now that's

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Speaker 2: you know, I would hope Matthews. I'd give Matthew Stafford

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Speaker 2: the one week off towards the end of the year.

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Speaker 2: I hope Cooper Cup I need, I need healthy all

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Speaker 2: seventeen weeks. I know you're gonna tell Aaron he's gonna

463
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Speaker 2: miss couple games. Go ahead.

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying, because of the way last year finished

465
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Speaker 3: each of those men that my hope for them and

466
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Speaker 3: by extension the franchise is that they're playing more often

467
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Speaker 3: than not. And if they are, I think people look

468
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Speaker 3: back and say we underestimated the Rams.

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Speaker 2: Well, I agree, you know, keeping Stafford upright, and it

470
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Speaker 2: goes back to number three, goes back to cam Akers

471
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Speaker 2: for me and a lot of talk about running backs.

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Speaker 2: Three umber three is my number. Yeah, it's I told

473
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Speaker 2: you it's two G for for for number three and

474
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Speaker 2: a lot of talk about running back ran for number three, Yeah,

475
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Speaker 2: got it, And he wasn't on that call. And we

476
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Speaker 2: all talk about devaluing running backs and what we're not

477
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Speaker 2: paying them, but no one ever says they're not important

478
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Speaker 2: to winning. So you know what would solve a lot

479
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Speaker 2: on this football team, even when you're young, is a

480
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Speaker 2: running game, a Dalvin Cook type season out of cam

481
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Speaker 2: Akers where it's all about you, And I've seen it

482
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Speaker 2: with Stephen Jackson. It was all about him on Sunday.

483
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Speaker 2: They just didn't have the pieces around. So imagine a

484
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Speaker 2: bell cow running back that takes over three hundred carries

485
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Speaker 2: and is pacing this football team with cup with Matthew Stafford.

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Speaker 2: Tell me, you can't be successful if you're Sean McVay.

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Speaker 1: It reminds me of Sony Michelle in twenty one, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, especially in the month of December. He was

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Speaker 1: somebody that came in and Shawn even said it this week.

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Speaker 1: It was someone that maybe didn't get as much attention

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Speaker 1: as he deserved, but he was a huge piece of

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Speaker 1: their success in twenty one.

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Speaker 2: Are you gonna bring a number? You just want to

494
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Speaker 2: play fortune.

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Speaker 1: Teller, I'm gonna play forts, Okay, no, no, no, I've

496
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Speaker 1: got some numbers because I went full Nerd mode yesterday.

497
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Speaker 1: I love it, but I'm also a little embarrassed. But

498
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Speaker 1: I do live there. There's no joke about that. But

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Speaker 1: I was thinking back to a conversation I had with

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Speaker 1: Andrew Whitworth on the sidelines last season, and one of

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Speaker 1: the things he was telling me about this team is

502
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Speaker 1: that he said we're predicated on big plays. And I

503
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Speaker 1: was thinking to myself, Okay, how do you define big plays?

504
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Speaker 1: So did a little digging and I thought, okay, sixteen

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Speaker 1: yards in the passing play plus sixteen plus sixteen and

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Speaker 1: twelve on any rushing place. So that's where I started.

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Speaker 1: On the offensive side, I also thought, well, defensively, what

508
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Speaker 1: are your big plays? So obviously force turnovers, you got

509
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Speaker 1: force fumbles and interceptions, and I use sex'.

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Speaker 2: Going to be doing trigonometry, I am.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to keep it simple here, so to dial

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Speaker 1: it down. Yeah, just to give you some thoughts. Approximately

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two, there were seventy sixteen plus yard

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Speaker 1: passing plays throughout the regular season. There were twenty twelve

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Speaker 1: yard rushing plays and sixty five defensive big plays. We'll

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Speaker 1: call it so seventy twenty and sixty five is your

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Speaker 1: number to compare to the Super Bowl run Oh boy

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one. It's actually very interesting. One hundred

519
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Speaker 1: sixteen yard passing plays, thirty twelve yard plus rushing plays

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Speaker 1: and eighty five So the numbers are really interesting. I

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Speaker 1: think if we hit that seventy twenty sixty five this

522
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Speaker 1: year or maybe bump just above that, to me, I'm thinking, well,

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Speaker 1: that means we're making big play something. The Los Angeles

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Speaker 1: Rams are predicated.

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Speaker 3: You want to be more explosive. DeMarco wants to kick

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Speaker 3: it back to Stephen Jackson Hammer the it was.

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Speaker 2: Just solve all for right now. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It was interesting though, honestly to go back and look

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Speaker 1: at each one of our weeks because I actually went

530
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Speaker 1: and watched all the I went and threw all the

531
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Speaker 1: play by play of it and traditionally every.

532
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Speaker 2: Game last season, last two ahead.

533
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Speaker 1: But it's really interesting. On average, it was about five

534
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Speaker 1: through the air per game through the season in twenty one,

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Speaker 1: and it was one just over one on the rushing

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Speaker 1: side of the game.

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Speaker 2: Wow, see rushing yards right back to it.

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Speaker 1: But the explosive play, it was really interesting. So anyways,

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Speaker 1: those are my numbers, seventy twenty sixty five. All right,

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Speaker 1: one last thing. We're gonna go fortune teller here. Crazy

541
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Speaker 1: lines and headlines came last year, some that we might

542
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Speaker 1: not have expected, like, for instance, Baker Mayfield comes off

543
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Speaker 1: bench wednesdabut in ninety eight yard drive.

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Speaker 2: Fancy that one coming.

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Speaker 1: Did not see that one coming? So give me one

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Speaker 1: headline we may not see coming.

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Speaker 2: No, you give us one. You go first, sea coming,

548
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Speaker 2: I'm going to look. You want to go last, I'll

549
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Speaker 2: go last. Wow, No, no, wait, you gotta go first, though.

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Speaker 2: Hold on, let me think headline I didn't see coming? Uh,

551
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Speaker 2: forecasting one for this?

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: The cam Aker sets the running back market in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty four. Yeah, how about that? Whoa, Yeah, you really

555
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Speaker 2: are lockdown. I'm just saying, look out now, it's football.

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Speaker 1: Come on?

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Speaker 2: Is that that hard? I wrote mine down in the

558
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Speaker 2: hotel this morning. O had to okay that long? It's

559
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Speaker 2: this long.

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Speaker 3: A game up on the NFCU West, and having already

561
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Speaker 3: defeated Seattle and San Francisco head to head, the Rams

562
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Speaker 3: trade a first round pick for a proven pass rusher

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Speaker 3: to cap a whirlwin week in which the mcveighs welcome

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Speaker 3: their first child into the world, and Sean chartered an

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Speaker 3: overnight flight to Dallas to orchestrate a win of the

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Speaker 3: Cowboys that takes the resurgent Rams to six and two

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Speaker 3: at the trade deadline, as they turn their attention now

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Speaker 3: to a week nine trip to lambeau Field and a

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Speaker 3: collision with the Packers that the NFL wisely flexed into

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Speaker 3: prime time based on la surprising early season success forecast

571
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Speaker 3: of temperatures in Green Bay sixty two degrees at kickoff,

572
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Speaker 3: unseasonably warm for the first weekend in November.

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Speaker 2: I'm there. I'm right there with you.

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Speaker 1: I know I can improve upon that.

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Speaker 2: Check out all of it. I'm prow I just lived there.

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Speaker 1: The head of the Los Angeles Times right there.

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Speaker 2: That's part one. That's stay tuned for our next edition

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Speaker 2: of Between the Horns.

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Speaker 1: There's no way I can level up from that, so

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna leave it right there. That's a utiful headline, JB.

581
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Speaker 1: I've had nothing to compare to that.

582
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Speaker 2: I gave you a chance to go first.

583
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Speaker 1: There you go. That is true. Wow, Well, hey, thanks

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Speaker 1: so much for joining us here on Between the Horns,

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Speaker 1: of Course, presented by your southern California Toyota dealers. We

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Speaker 1: can't wait to see you the rest of the week.

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Speaker 2: I could feel the weather when you said that