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Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty, Armstrong and.

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Speaker 1: Sir, outrage on Capitol Hill after eight suspected terrorists from

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Speaker 1: men who investigators believe have ties to ISIS crossed illegally

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Speaker 1: at the US Southern border. House Majority Leader Steve Scaliz

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Speaker 1: blaming President Joe Biden's policies.

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Speaker 3: How many more terrorists are in our country because Joe

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Speaker 3: Biden opened up the southern.

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Speaker 2: Border and Chinese intelligence agents.

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Speaker 3: More on that in just a second, But this hour

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Speaker 3: is going to be exciting. So Hunter's Stripper Baby Mama

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Speaker 3: has a book coming out. Joe Getty has excerpts from

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Speaker 2: Oh shocking excerpts.

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Speaker 4: Jack, We will bear all when it comes to the

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Speaker 4: sordid life of Hunter Biden. I want to talk about

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Speaker 4: the insanity that luckily is making national news the subway

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Speaker 4: in New York where they announced anybody who's a Zionist

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Speaker 4: what the hell is going on? Did you say ber

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Speaker 4: Lin in nineteen thirty six?

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Speaker 2: It's crazy?

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Speaker 3: AnyWho this story should be getting more intention Eight dudes

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Speaker 3: with ties to isis arrested. Who would it would be

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Speaker 2: Went through the process we currently have.

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Speaker 2: What is the vetting process?

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Speaker 4: It's utterly insufficient, obviously, and so I think this is

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Speaker 4: It illustrates the fact that the border is so overwhelmed.

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Speaker 2: I heard.

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Speaker 4: I know if the vast majority of Americans agree with

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Speaker 3: One of your terrorist experts was on some cable channel

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Speaker 3: the other day talking about the terrorist attack we've mostly

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Speaker 3: forgotten that happened in uh, outside of Moscow at that concert.

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Speaker 4: Hope those were Tajiks too, weren't they. I did that allegedly.

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Speaker 3: I don't remember where they were from, but they did

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Speaker 2: That it would be. Oh in the US.

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Speaker 4: No, you just go down to some you know, degenerate

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Speaker 2: just more from that Fox report Michael.

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Speaker 1: Sources say a majority of these suspected terrorists were found

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Speaker 2: It's frightening and we're headed for another nine to eleven.

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Speaker 2: I predicted that. I think we should have a secure border.

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Speaker 4: That's a democratic councilman. I think the problem has become

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Speaker 3: I guess this happens. I was just thinking, there's been

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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, obviously you can't just let hundreds of

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Speaker 4: And it's become so well known around the world that

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Speaker 4: And whoever whatever agent you want gets into the United

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Speaker 2: A minute, no, it can't be that easy. Stop it.

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Speaker 4: No country behaves like that. You have to convince. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 4: It's really shocking. Yes, how about some mainstream media coverage

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Speaker 3: Maybe you know, they've closed the barn door. Finally, let's

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Speaker 5: Migrants who cross the border illegally are still being released

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Speaker 5: tells NBC News those releases have dropped by more than half,

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Speaker 5: The record nearly ten million migrants entering the US since

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Speaker 5: But the Border Patrol Union says the president's new action

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Speaker 2: That's NBC News, ladies and gentlemen.

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Speaker 4: The idea that you could come apply to be somewhere

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Speaker 2: It's just well again, it's insane.

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Speaker 3: Remember we had the polling like a week ago that

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and the majority of Americans, including independence and a

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Speaker 2: All illegal aliens.

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Speaker 4: It is overwhelmingly popular which if you just if you

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Speaker 2: What are they doing?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, The wording from that CBS poll was, would you

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Speaker 4: Right, Oh, that's discouraging. I hate to end on a

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Speaker 4: There's way too much representation and too little leadership in

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Speaker 4: to me, it's like shoveling in sugar. That first bite

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Speaker 4: Being in Congress has always been a balance between being

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Speaker 2: I think that's pretty clear.

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Speaker 5: The Armstrong and Getty Show, Rhoe podcasts and Our Hot

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Speaker 5: Lakes and.

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Speaker 2: The Armstrong Congetti Show.

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Speaker 3: This is from a guy I don't know, journalist in Australia,

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Speaker 3: A dude. Nobody on the left knows how to speak

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Speaker 2: As many ICE agents in your city. That's fine, We'll

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Speaker 3: I just say, you're gonna go to jail to protect

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Speaker 3: going to be You're going to die on that ill

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Speaker 3: you nutjobs. I really think they are. Again, it's very strange.

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Speaker 3: I mean, even if we just deported the twenty percent

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Speaker 3: who are the most derelict, lazy, useless, and or criminal,

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Speaker 3: that'd be an enormous victory, just a fabulus. Well, there

450
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Speaker 3: are six hundred thousand criminals here illegally right now at

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Speaker 3: least sure.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, how will this all be resolved by the courts?

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Speaker 2: They write?

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Speaker 4: Article six of the Constitution mandates that federal law quote

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Speaker 4: shall be the supreme law of land, notwithstanding the laws

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Speaker 4: of any state. The Tenth Amendment reserves to the states

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Speaker 4: all powers quote not delegated to the United States by

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Speaker 4: the Constitution, nor prohibited by it by it.

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Speaker 2: To the states. Oh right, that is work correct.

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Speaker 4: The constitutional question is whether the authority to regulate immigration,

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Speaker 4: including the power to deport illegal aliens, is a power

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Speaker 4: delegated to the federal government, And they write a, of

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Speaker 4: course it is. Border crossers can travel from state to

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Speaker 4: state unhindered, So entry anywhere in the US is entry everywhere.

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Speaker 4: Thus the federal government alone has the authority to control

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Speaker 4: the right to enter and remain, as it does the

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Speaker 4: power to exclude, deport, and prosecute those who violate immigration laws.

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Speaker 2: Now, to me, the only question.

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Speaker 3: I'm not an expert in all this law stuff, but

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Speaker 3: to me, the only question has been how did it

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Speaker 3: go this long? Where a county, a city, of state

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Speaker 3: can declare themselves sanctuary.

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Speaker 2: That's nuts.

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Speaker 4: Well, here's the rub, they write, the Constitution does not

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Speaker 4: prohibit states from providing food, healthcare, housing, driving privileges, and

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Speaker 4: other necessities to everyone within its borders, nor does it

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Speaker 4: compel the states to employ resources to aid the federal government.

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Speaker 4: The Supreme Court has articulated an anti commandeering doctrine that

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Speaker 4: prohibits the Feds from quote conscripting the state's officers directly

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Speaker 4: to enforce federal law, and they write about how the

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Speaker 4: doctrine's been revised over the years, and there's no real

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Speaker 4: clear guidance on how it would press ically apply to

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Speaker 4: sanctuary cities. Much would depend on these specific state action

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Speaker 4: at issue, Bob about the President's established when some Southern

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Speaker 4: state officials try to prevent the enforcement of federal court's

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Speaker 4: desegregation orders. Strongly suggest that states and cities may not

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Speaker 4: actively block legitimate enforcement of federal law, but.

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Speaker 2: They don't have to help, right is that make them help?

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Speaker 4: In Between these extremes are a variety of state actions

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Speaker 4: and refusal to act.

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Speaker 2: Give some examples.

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Speaker 3: I can see legally how that's the thing. And I

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Speaker 3: guess if you live in a nut job place like

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Speaker 3: San Diego County just voided body the other day, where

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Speaker 3: your constituents, a majority of your constituents say, yeah, don't

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Speaker 3: help the federal government deport people are committing crimes in

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Speaker 3: our county and here legally, if a majority agrees with that, okay,

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Speaker 3: I can't believe there are very many places where that's

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Speaker 3: the case, including like you saw the city council meeting

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Speaker 3: in Chicago. People are horrified they're spending so much money

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Speaker 3: on illegals. I find it hard to believe that the

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Speaker 3: majority of people would be okay with keeping criminals there

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Speaker 3: who are there illegally.

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Speaker 4: I know, it's a bizarre notion. I can't believe anybody

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Speaker 4: believes it. But so these guys, who are pretty solid

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Speaker 4: legal scholars just think, all right, we're not doing nothing

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Speaker 4: they can get away with. But even a whiff of

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Speaker 4: opposition or impediment would be actionable, and the federal government,

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Speaker 4: could you take measures? What measures I might be, I

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Speaker 4: don't know. It's still it's obscene to me that you would.

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Speaker 4: And look, I am fully acquainted with the argument that

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Speaker 4: if the immigrant community fears any interaction with the government

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Speaker 4: will lead them to be deported, they won't report a rape,

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Speaker 4: they won't report when these Venezuelan monsters kidnap them and

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Speaker 4: torture them and take over their apartment. They'll be afraid

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Speaker 4: to talk to any authorities. We can't have that. I

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Speaker 4: get that, and I actually respect it on one level.

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Speaker 4: But the idea that you have have a violent criminal

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Speaker 4: that you're going to put out on the streets and

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Speaker 4: you're fully aware they've got a detainer, a detainment order

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Speaker 4: from the ICE, and you, well, we're not going to

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Speaker 4: help them. We're going to release that rapist or that

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Speaker 4: arm drobber or whatever onto the streets because we don't

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Speaker 4: believe there's such thing as an illegal human. You are

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Speaker 4: just you're incapable of operating in the adult world. You

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Speaker 4: shouldn't You shouldn't even be like you should have a caretaker.

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Speaker 4: You certainly shouldn't be running anything.

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Speaker 3: I'm strong and get the reality is this is fabulous.

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Speaker 2: I thank you. That's enough of that. This is crazy,

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Speaker 2: That's what it is. Yeah, but damn it, we weren't

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Speaker 2: allowed to ask about the big guys. This is the

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Speaker 2: United States of America. Let's not play James.

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Speaker 1: This is the Armstrong and Getty Show, the arm Strong

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Speaker 1: and Getty Show.

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Speaker 4: This is interesting and not terribly shocking. Well, I guess

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Speaker 4: when you get down to the the granular details, it

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Speaker 4: is fairly shocking. But Americans are more reliant than ever

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Speaker 4: on government aid. An aging population, economic distress raised dependence

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Speaker 4: on federal and state support, and it matters a hell

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Speaker 4: of a lot for our elections. As you might guess.

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Speaker 4: Wall Street Journal looking into a major study. This is

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Speaker 4: a little graphics heavy, but I can interpret it for you.

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Speaker 4: They're talking about the share of personal income from government assistance.

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Speaker 4: How in how many counties is it twenty five percent

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Speaker 4: or more? In nineteen seventy, government safety Net money accounted

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Speaker 4: for significant income.

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Speaker 2: That's more than twenty five percent.

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Speaker 4: Twenty five percent or more in fewer than one percent

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Speaker 4: of America's counties.

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Speaker 2: So say that again, in what year?

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Speaker 4: In nineteen seventy it was less than one percent? Okay, okay.

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Speaker 4: In two thousand it went from less than one percent

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Speaker 4: to roughly ten percent. The year two ten percent.

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Speaker 2: Which a tenfold increase is not minor.

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Speaker 4: In the year twenty twenty two, fifty three percent, more

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Speaker 4: than half of US counties drew at least a quarter

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Speaker 4: of their income from government aid.

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Speaker 3: So this is we were talking about this last week,

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Speaker 3: and now that it's the average person in the bottom quintile.

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Speaker 3: I know this is a lot of complicated talking, but

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Speaker 3: the bottom twenty percent of income earners in America get

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Speaker 3: on average sixty eight thousand dollars per household of transfer payments.

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Speaker 3: And that's left out of every argument about we have

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Speaker 3: the highest inequality of any nation in the world. They

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Speaker 3: never include this stuff and what you just talked about there,

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Speaker 3: that's never included in these conversations from Bernie Sanders or

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Speaker 3: probably Tim Walls tonight in the debate. People live in

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Speaker 3: paycheck to paycheck. Well, more people are getting the handouts

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Speaker 3: from the government than ever before by all lot.

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Speaker 4: And as we've discussed with Craig the healthcare Guru, socialism

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Speaker 4: is not a light switch. It's a fungus oh that

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Speaker 4: spreads across a country, and it's programmed benefits and yeah, yeah, sure.

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Speaker 2: It starts getting across there's just no stopping it. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So the big reasons for this dramatic growth are interesting.

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Speaker 4: Some of them I think most conservatives would reject out

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Speaker 4: of hand, but it gets a little complicated when you

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Speaker 4: dig into it. There are much larger share of Americans

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Speaker 4: who are seniors. Period, we're living longer, and we've aged

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Speaker 4: as a population not having kids anymore. And healthcare raw sorry,

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Speaker 4: healthcare costs have risen fairly dramatically as they've gotten more fantastic.

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Speaker 4: The technology we have at our disposal to keep ourselves

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Speaker 4: healthy and alive is truly awe inspiring, but it costs.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and as my doctor said last week, What exactly

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Speaker 3: is the point? Sometimes he wonders, as we just get

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Speaker 3: you know, our brains don't work, our bodies don't work,

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Speaker 3: but we hang around longer at a great expense.

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Speaker 4: Right, Well, it could be the money is the point

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Speaker 4: in at least some situations, although it's I understand it's

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Speaker 4: an odd conundrum that a person could sit around rubbing

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Speaker 4: their chin thinking about for a long time. You're not

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Speaker 4: going to turn down medical advances because it's every advance

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Speaker 4: is an incremental step. It can lead toward other advances

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Speaker 4: or cures or what have you. But at the same

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Speaker 4: time you and your doctor are quite right, Hey, good news.

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Speaker 4: We can keep alzheimer suffering Granny alive for one more year.

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Speaker 4: We can stave off for cancer with this new gene therapy.

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Speaker 4: Blah blah blah.

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Speaker 2: What are we doing here? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Anyway to get back to the major thread of the thing,

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Speaker 4: rouni here. At the same time, many communities, so it's

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Speaker 4: the aging and the development of medical technology number one.

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Speaker 4: At the same time, any communities have suffered from economic

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Speaker 4: declient because of the challenges, including the loss of manufacturing,

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Speaker 4: leaving government money. Is the larger share of people's income

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Speaker 4: in such places. I you know, I could bore you

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Speaker 4: to death. I won't because I do this for a

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Speaker 4: living and kind of enjoy getting the paycheck. But one

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Speaker 4: of the big debates in conservative circles these days is

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Speaker 4: the question of the reagan Esque free trade global economy

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Speaker 4: conservatives versus what's being called the new conservatism or whatever you.

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Speaker 3: Want to call it. And everybody's always government conservatism. Some

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Speaker 3: people call it, yeah, industrial.

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Speaker 2: Planning, you know.

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Speaker 4: Sometimes people even call it central planning, what have you,

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Speaker 4: And are bellowing at each other about it, as if

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Speaker 4: the solutions and the questions and answers are very simple.

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Speaker 4: They're not at all. They're trillions of dollars at stake.

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Speaker 4: So I understand why the people making lots and lots

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Speaker 4: of money want to keep that money flowing. They don't

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Speaker 4: care how much unemployment there is in rural Pennsylvania, for instance.

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Speaker 4: At the same time, oh oh, and the other point

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Speaker 4: I was going to make on the side of the new.

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Speaker 2: Conservatives.

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Speaker 4: Back in Reagan's day, we didn't have the situation where

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Speaker 4: our chief global adversary is our one of our chief

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Speaker 4: trading partners technology partners, and practically indispensable to the world economy.

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Speaker 4: So if you are pitching free global trade of a

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Speaker 4: reaganesque sort, your pitching continued interaction slash dependence with China,

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Speaker 4: which is just a bad idea. Times have changed, the

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Speaker 4: arguments have to change too, So I have sympathy with

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Speaker 4: both sides, but it is not simple. So for its

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Speaker 4: analysis of government spending, EIG, which is the folks doing

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Speaker 4: the analysis, used the government definition of income that includes

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Speaker 4: spending on programs that American pay into, such as Medicare

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Speaker 4: and Social Security. Another major government health program, Medicaid, is counted.

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Speaker 4: The analysis also includes unemployment insurance, food stamps, the Earned

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Speaker 4: Income tax credit, veterans benefits, pell grants, COVID Era payments,

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Speaker 4: and other income supports. States helped pay for some of

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Speaker 4: these programs, like Medicaid, but the federal government covers roughly

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Speaker 4: seven seventy percent of the cost, and it doesn't include

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Speaker 4: other ways government spending floods into corners of America, such

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Speaker 4: as farm subsidies or military bases. So this spending accounts

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Speaker 4: for big and growing share of not only the income

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Speaker 4: of the nation, but also our national debt. We are

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Speaker 4: addicted to government spending slash social programs as a country.

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Speaker 3: There's no weaning off that either. I don't believe in

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Speaker 3: no backwards. I don't think it's possible.

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Speaker 4: No, but you do have to be honest about the

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Speaker 4: dollars and cents coming and going, and we're headed for

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Speaker 4: a cliff.

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Speaker 3: So we went from one percent nineteen seventy to over

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Speaker 3: half now correct.

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Speaker 2: That's unbelievab.

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Speaker 3: Not very many people could tell you that Armstrong and

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Speaker 3: Getty