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Speaker 2: Welcome back, everybody, Welcome back. The feeling around the Yankees

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Speaker 2: for the past couple of days has been very reminiscent

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Speaker 2: But we kind of dodged a bullet last year because

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Speaker 2: there was no structural damage. That does not appear to

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Speaker 2: be the case this time. Per Jim Bowden, Garrett Cole

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Speaker 2: has been recommended to have Tommy John surgery, which would

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Speaker 2: keep him out for all of twenty twenty five, probably

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Speaker 2: about half or three quarters of twenty twenty six. From

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Speaker 2: the little bits of reporting that we have been getting,

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Speaker 2: you know, from the Beat reporters and the people who

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Speaker 2: his mood has been very revealing, and a lot of

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Speaker 2: us have had the sense of what is coming and

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Speaker 2: hearing is that he is awaiting a second opinion, but

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Speaker 2: most likely he is going to, you know, have that

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Speaker 2: Tommy John surgery. We were hearing about how concerned he

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Speaker 2: and I don't blame you if you're taking this kind

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Speaker 2: big blow to the Yankees' chances in twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: The timeline of recovery for Tommy John is pretty much

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Speaker 2: we've been talking about winning in Garrett Cole and Aaron

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Speaker 2: Game five of the World Series. Was that getting dangerous

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Speaker 2: least according to Jim Bowden. So what now? Marcus Stroman

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Speaker 2: He was expected to be traded, possibly coming into spring training.

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Speaker 2: You know, I think that the Yankees are gonna need

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Speaker 2: You see, he had a fantastic year three straight years

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Speaker 2: So I see some people saying Trevor Bauer, Trevor Bauer,

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Speaker 2: So his career is over. I mean, and I just

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Speaker 2: Foul Territory Network. We got some voicemails that we can

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Speaker 1: Yes, Hi, Derek Steve calling from farm with the main

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Speaker 1: I don't think my last message went through, so I'm

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Speaker 1: leaving it again.

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Speaker 4: I got a bone to pick with you.

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Speaker 1: The other day I recommended trading Lombard Junior for whoever

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Speaker 4: But she showed that to my wife.

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Speaker 1: And now anytime she disagrees with me on anything, she says,

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Speaker 5: That's you're a fault.

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Speaker 1: On a more serious man, I'd like to modify that recommendation.

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Speaker 1: How about if we could get Tucker from the Cubs

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Speaker 5: What would you do then?

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Speaker 3: Would you do the would you do the trade?

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Speaker 2: It's not about It's not about what I would do.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that there's any way that the Cubs

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Speaker 6: Right, Hey, Derek, great show a couple of thoughts. Too

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Speaker 6: Derek, great program.

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Speaker 5: Frank in California.

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Speaker 6: I don't see what the big deal of having a

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Speaker 4: I mean that's just outside.

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Speaker 7: You know, has a three eighty on base percentage. Who

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Speaker 7: it's like a swear, but he just looks like a bust.

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Speaker 4: And Emerson Pereira man on fire, you know. And Cody Bellinger. God,

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Speaker 4: this is awesome stuff. So go Yankees twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 4: We got a great rotation. Keith will Warren going shows

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Speaker 2: Derek appreciate it. Great thing about voicemails is I can

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Speaker 2: another voicemail, what's.

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Speaker 3: Going on, Derek oh Man. I wasn't happy earlier seeing

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm just gonna it's probably out of date there.

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Speaker 2: in just a bit. If you're just joining, Garrett Cole

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Speaker 2: now and I think we're gonna have some definitive news

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Speaker 2: You know, Cashman doesn't want that to happen. You know

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Speaker 2: If this had happened on March twenty fifth, you know,

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Speaker 2: he's going to get the second opinion, but I wouldn't

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Speaker 2: Garrett Cole recommended Tommy John surgery and likely done for

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