1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:01,760 Speaker 1: Hey, Casey, what's going on? 2 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 2: Oh? 3 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 3: Really, not much? How are you? I don't know. 4 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:10,479 Speaker 1: I'm a little stressed out right now, but otherwise I'm fine. 5 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 3: Well I'm a little stressed out too, because you know 6 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 3: how we've been receiving all these coded messages to our 7 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 3: dear movies I love you email. 8 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 1: I mean I saw I sort of peek in there 9 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: from time to time, and then I would open up 10 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: certain emails and they just had a bunch of gobbledygook, 11 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: so I just shut them and move on. 12 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, we were We've been receiving you know, pages upon 13 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 3: pages of coded cipher messages, you know, and we were like, wait, 14 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 3: what does this mean? And there's been like threatening letters 15 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 3: attached saying like you have to read this code on 16 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 3: on the air on your podcast, and we haven't. You know. 17 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: Wow, I actually had no idea that was happening. I 18 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 1: just thought it was like somebody tried to send us 19 00:00:56,120 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: a fax and it turned out badly. So you're telling 20 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: me that we've been getting threatening. 21 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 3: Letters, yes, yes, And you know, I've been working with 22 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 3: our legal department to just sort of figure out what 23 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 3: the best way to you know, pursue this is because 24 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:13,040 Speaker 3: we don't want, you know, we don't want to comply 25 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 3: to this, you know, terrorists, threats, you know, if that's 26 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:21,679 Speaker 3: the case. So, but I spent a few weeks. I 27 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 3: worked with some experts. I took out a bunch of 28 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 3: code books from the library, you know, as you do, 29 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 3: as you do, and I cracked the code for one 30 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:31,759 Speaker 3: of these ciphers. 31 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 1: Wow, okay, so what's going to happen? What's happening? 32 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, so I haven't actually like, you know, I 33 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 3: just decoded it, but I haven't read it, you know, 34 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 3: so I don't know the contents, but I just it's 35 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 3: been decoded. So I thought we could, I don't know, 36 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 3: go through that together real quick. Uh yeah, come on, Okay, 37 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 3: all right, let's see here. Okay, here's the first one. 38 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 3: Let me pull this up. It's all kind of handwritten here, 39 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 3: so I'm kind of sorting through a bunch of papers. Okay, 40 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 3: here here's the message. This is long, so just to 41 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 3: hang in there. Okay, Millie, it's addressing you first. You 42 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 3: are so cool. I love your film insights and your 43 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 3: sense of humor. Uh got me lowling l ol ing 44 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 3: all day. Okay, So that's that's pretty cool. 45 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 1: Sounds like a positive terrorist if you have. 46 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, so maybe these are just positive. So here's the 47 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 3: next section. Casey, I can tell your farts really stink. 48 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 3: They probably smell like gasoline and coal. Slaw. Okay, you 49 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 3: are so farty. You probably have farts coming out of 50 00:02:56,520 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 3: your mouth when you talk. They are so potent that 51 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 3: I can actually smell them when I download the podcast. Wow, 52 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 3: they magically permeate through the speakers in my car and 53 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 3: into my nostrils. When you talk and I smell your farts, 54 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 3: it makes me Okay, this goes on for like pages. 55 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 1: Wow, dude, so. 56 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 3: Uh and there's no demands. 57 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: It's just like talking about your farts that are somehow 58 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 1: coming through the speakers. 59 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess so, or there's some conjecture that I 60 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 3: have stinky farts, which is not true. 61 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. 62 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 3: So I don't know, And I think it's like kind 63 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 3: of you know, if I'm dissecting this, they say I 64 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 3: can tell your farts really stink, but then they say 65 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 3: they can smell them, So which is it? You know, 66 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 3: there's just sort of like there's sort of mixed messaging 67 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 3: in there. 68 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: So, I mean, it's just so odd that I would 69 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: receive such positive feedback from this weird person who has 70 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 1: written us in code and that you are literally just 71 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 1: a fart machine. 72 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's hard to know their motivation, frankly. 73 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: Very hard. Yeah. 74 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 3: So well, well, I guess I'll keep decoding these messages 75 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 3: in case they ask for something. I mean, I don't know, have. 76 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 1: You gotten any like phone calls with just people breathing 77 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 1: really heavy or anything like that. 78 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 3: Or yeah, I'll get a phone call in the middle 79 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 3: of the night and it's kind of like a person 80 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 3: like sniffing, sniffing. 81 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, ah, what a sick bastard. 82 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 3: I know. So, like I guess to see if they 83 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:45,039 Speaker 3: can smell my farts or whatever. But yeah, it's sick. 84 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 3: I mean, it's sick. It's sick behavior. So please don't 85 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 3: send any more of these. 86 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: Well yeah, sick. Oh, I mean, I mean, if you 87 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: want to send me compliments, I'm not going to stop you. Okay, 88 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 1: let's just be real. But if you're going to talk 89 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 1: about Casey's farts and you're gonna be talking about them 90 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 1: in really really harrowing detail and then you're gonna call 91 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 1: and sniff on the phone, I mean that we can't 92 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 1: have that, or. 93 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:11,039 Speaker 3: I would say at the very least. Please don't send 94 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 3: them in a coded message. Just send them as an 95 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 3: email so I don't have to take the hours to 96 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 3: decode them, you know what I'm saying. So sorry about that, Millie. Sorry, No, I. 97 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: Care about you as my co host. I don't want 98 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: people talking about your farts, not on my watch, if 99 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: you know. 100 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 3: Thank you. Yeah, I appreciate that. 101 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: Well. Speaking of coded messages, yeah, we have quite an 102 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: episode today when she said. 103 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 3: We do, we do, and I can't wait to get 104 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 3: into this. We're talking about Zodiac from two thousand and seven. 105 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 3: I have a lot of I have thoughts about this movie. 106 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: God, I do too. And here's the thing. I think 107 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:47,839 Speaker 1: we were kind of coming up with ideas, you know, 108 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: for episodes, which we do all the time. I was like, 109 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: let's just talk about this movie straight up. We don't 110 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 1: even need to talk about it in any other context 111 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:58,799 Speaker 1: other than this movie just being one of my favorite movies. 112 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 3: Yeah. So it's a big movie. It's huge. 113 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: It is huge. Also, I don't know if you clocked 114 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:10,720 Speaker 1: this or not. Did you see a bit of Christmas 115 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 1: in Zodiac? 116 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 3: I did? I did. There's some Christmas scenes. Well, I 117 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 3: have to ask our friend Alanza Dralda. You know if 118 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 3: it can classified as a Christmas movie or not. But yeah, 119 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 3: I did notice that and I loved it. 120 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 1: Listen if they can, if they can make Eyes Watch 121 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 1: Shut a Christmas classic, I think they can make Zodiac 122 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:31,480 Speaker 1: one too, just saying. 123 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:35,840 Speaker 3: I love that California Christmas. Look, we also are gonna 124 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:39,599 Speaker 3: be talking about gripes and gropes and grats. Might have 125 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 3: to get out the guitar. 126 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 1: The three G's, the three Wise Gees. 127 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:52,119 Speaker 3: The three Wise Geese. Sure, sure, that'll be fun. 128 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 1: We got some voicemails too, which is great. 129 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 3: We do. 130 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 1: We always love hearing your voice. 131 00:06:56,360 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 3: I do very good. Uh but yeah, that's about it. 132 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:02,119 Speaker 3: A huge show. 133 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 1: Well, please stay tuned. We would love it. You're listening 134 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 1: to Deer movies. I love you, Dear, and I've got to. 135 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 3: Love me too. Check the books. 136 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, you are listening to Dear movies. I love you. 137 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: This is a podcast for those who are in a 138 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 1: relationship with movies, and we're not We're not talking about 139 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 1: a relationship where you write weird, creepy letters from a 140 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 1: distance over the course of many years. We're talking about 141 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 1: people who are actively involved and in a relationship with movies, 142 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: wouldn't you say? 143 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 3: Yes? Do people even write love letters anymore? Millie? 144 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: No, not really. I mean I certainly haven't gotten one. 145 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 1: I think people now probably get love dms. 146 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 3: Ah the love DM. Do you remember in old movies 147 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 3: how they're like they would say, like do you make love? 148 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 3: In the sense that like it's like do you do 149 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 3: lovey things? You know when you know how like the 150 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 3: phrase make love used to be more like do you 151 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 3: write love letters? And are you romantic? Rather than just 152 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 3: have sex? Do you know what I'm talking about? 153 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 1: I don't know the Orchard story of making love okay 154 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: at all, but I do I do think I've got 155 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 1: to say I kind of like it as a phrase. 156 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:38,839 Speaker 1: I wish it would come come back. 157 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 3: Making love. 158 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:44,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, me and my husband made love. It's like it 159 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: just feels so I. 160 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 3: Don't know, like yeah very much. 161 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: So any who, Anyway, I wanted to tell you that 162 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 1: I'm Milly to. 163 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 3: Cherco, I'm Casey O'Brien, and we. 164 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 1: Like we said at the beginning, we're doing a good 165 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: movie today. Are a movie that I feel like has 166 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 1: been misunderstood over the years. 167 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 3: Perhaps, Yeah, I think it was even a little misunderstood 168 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 3: at the time that it came out. 169 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:18,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I actually think it is. To be honest, 170 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:21,439 Speaker 1: it's one of those movies now that's gotten a complete 171 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: it's been there's been a complete upheaval from the original opinion. 172 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 1: I feel like there's so many people that like this 173 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: movie now more than ever. 174 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 3: I absolutely, I feel like there's a lot of people 175 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:33,679 Speaker 3: who say, like, oh, that's, if not my favorite movie, 176 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 3: like one of my favorite movies of all time. 177 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 1: Oh man. I mean, like, if you want to, we're 178 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 1: going to talk about the director, David Fincher, of course, 179 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: but there's many people that think it's this best movie. 180 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, which is interesting because well, we'll get into it. 181 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:57,959 Speaker 3: I have a lot of thoughts about that, Millie. I 182 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 3: want to know what you have wanted this past week 183 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 3: and to know that we must open up the film dire. 184 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: Well. I know this podcast is called Deer Movies. I 185 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:17,119 Speaker 1: love you, But sometimes once in a while. 186 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 3: Anyway, the opposite feeling occurs. 187 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: I'm kind of I kind of had this thought when 188 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 1: we were talking about Almost Famous the other week, because 189 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: I was basically like, here's a movie that I don't 190 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 1: like that that I recommended apparently. 191 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 3: And I was complicate complicated? 192 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: Right? Is that a counterintuitive thing for this podcast? I 193 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 1: don't know. We like we have crushes on movies and 194 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 1: then sometimes we fucking hate their gifts. So anyway, it's 195 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 1: occurred again this week. Unfortunately. So I saw I saw 196 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 1: one movie. I saw it at the movie theater, my 197 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:01,080 Speaker 1: infamous movie theater where fireworks go off and the place 198 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 1: gets shut down constantly. I did have drama this time 199 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 1: again because it is a theater that has you know, 200 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:12,560 Speaker 1: reclining seats, and my fucking seat was broken and I 201 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:16,959 Speaker 1: was stuck in this like weird like breach baby position 202 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: for like half the movie. 203 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 3: And I was so annoyed by oh my god, that 204 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 3: would drive me crazy. 205 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 1: Oh my god. 206 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 3: And then of course, you know it's like if your 207 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 3: TV screen doesn't work on an airplane. Oh you know, 208 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 3: it's like. 209 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 1: But imagine, like my feet are kind of hanging in 210 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: the air. My whole back is pretty much flat, and 211 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 1: I'm like, so there's a total stranger sitting next to me, okay. 212 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: And you know how in some of these theaters, like 213 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: the buttons for the the chair and the seat heaters 214 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: are like right on the handle, like right on the 215 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:54,439 Speaker 1: arm rest. And then it's like next to the other 216 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: person's armrest. So imagine me with my fucking legs and 217 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:04,319 Speaker 1: air desperately trying to mash buttons so I could get 218 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 1: out of this fucked up position, and this guy looking 219 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 1: at me like, what the fuck is wrong with this woman? 220 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 3: Now? Did was it like that? When you walked up 221 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 3: to the seat for the first time? 222 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: It was like, no, no, it wouldn't have like willingly 223 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: sat in a broken chair that was already broken. 224 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 3: It was. It was fine. 225 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: And then what happened was is that I sat down 226 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: in it, I pressed the little foot, yeah, you know, 227 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 1: like the foot reclined, and then for some reason it 228 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 1: just stopped like maybe a third of the way up. 229 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: And then I was like, well, okay, I don't know. 230 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: So my mashed this other button, which made the back 231 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 1: of the chair go back, and that's what happened, is 232 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 1: the back of the chair went all the way back, 233 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: and then the feet were kind of just stuck in 234 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 1: the air. 235 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 3: This is like a mister bean. 236 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 1: God, it was goddamn awful. And I was like in 237 00:12:55,000 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: the dark, smashing buttons and like my foot has fallen asleep. 238 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, and I had like popcorn on my 239 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 1: fucking chest. It was awful. 240 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:08,199 Speaker 3: Have you even said what movies? 241 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 1: No, I haven't even said. This is just a film gripe. 242 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 1: This is a gripe, I guess at the beginning. But 243 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: this all happened while I was watching The Running Man 244 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 1: from twenty twenty five. 245 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 3: Mmm, so, starring Glenn Powell, directed by Edgar Wright. 246 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 1: Now maybe I should, you know, throw this caveat out there. 247 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 1: I wasn't in an uncomfortable position seating wise, Okay, Do 248 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 1: I believe it affected my attitude towards the film? Perhaps? However, 249 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 1: I really think that if I was sitting properly, I'd 250 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 1: probably have the same thoughts. Sure, which are I don't 251 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: understand Glenn Powell at all. I do not know what's 252 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: happening there. I know we've talked about him in the past. Asked, 253 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 1: because you actually asked me, like, what are your top 254 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 1: three Glenn Powell movies? And I'm like, I don't even 255 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: know if I have one. I've never seen him at anything. 256 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 1: I don't think I don't see twisters. 257 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:18,719 Speaker 3: He's yeah, he's sort of a flavorless actor, and I 258 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 3: haven't been totally impressed by him. I think he's good 259 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 3: in a maybe supporting role like in Top Top Gun. 260 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 3: I thought he was pretty good, and I thought he 261 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 3: was pretty good in Everybody Wants Some as kind of 262 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 3: like a sleazy kind of seventies guy. 263 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 1: Uh. That's actually the movie that people have mentioned to 264 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: me as something I should watch in order to form 265 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: a better opinion about Glenn Powell. 266 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 3: Everybody Wants Some Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think I think 267 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 3: that's sort of the best type of thing he can do. 268 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 3: But I don't know if he can be a leading man. 269 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 3: And he's he's like a revolutionary in this movie. 270 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 1: Okay. The conceit of this film, right, is that you've 271 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 1: got this poor working class, lower working class man living 272 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: in a kind of dystopian future who has a mixed 273 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: race child married to a black woman. They live in 274 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 1: what they would call slum or, you know, a very 275 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 1: poor part of this techno future town, right, and he 276 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: is so desperate to buy medicine for his child that 277 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 1: he decides to join this game, this reality show game, 278 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: you know, the original Running Man with Arnold Schwarzenegger. Right, 279 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 1: And I'm watching this shit going, Ain't no fucking way 280 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 1: this guy is this guy, Ain't no fucking way Okay, 281 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 1: number one, I'm like, this guy does not read revolutionary 282 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: to me at all. All Right, if you want to 283 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: talk about revel lutionaries, let me put let me put 284 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 1: this in perspective. Okay, Leonardo DiCaprio with a mixed race 285 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 1: child potentially as a revolutionary, I buy that. Glenn Powell 286 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 1: as a revolutionary with a mixed race child, I'm not 287 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 1: buying it. 288 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 3: Okay, he does just like read so country club maga 289 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 3: codd guy. 290 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 1: You know, Oh my god, that is the exact phrase 291 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: that I used when I was talking to my friends 292 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: about it. I was like, he's so maga coded, and 293 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 1: I'm like, and then there were times in the film 294 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 1: where you know, his his mission is so singular in 295 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 1: the film, which is that he just wants to take 296 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: care of his family. He and I'm like, that is 297 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 1: an important goal to have in life. But why coming 298 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: out of his mouth does it seem very like trad Wyvy, Like, man, 299 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but like, this motherfucker has too many abs. 300 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw that. I'm throwing that out there. There's 301 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 1: a section of the film where he's repelling down the 302 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 1: side of a building in just a towel Okay, the 303 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 1: magic of movies. Somehow that towel stayed put, which I 304 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 1: was like, ain't no way that happened. But then I'm like, going, 305 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:14,880 Speaker 1: this guy, you're telling me, this guy lives in a slum. 306 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:19,440 Speaker 1: You're telling me this guy, like you know, has zero dollars. 307 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 1: I'm like, he could just literally walk on stage at 308 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: Magic Mike in Las Vegas and have a job. Like 309 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 1: He's not. No, I'm not buying it. He's too handsome 310 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:33,680 Speaker 1: and he's too absy to be this character. 311 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 3: Isn't it interesting that? I think that just proves that, 312 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:41,120 Speaker 3: like what a good actor Leo is because he like 313 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 3: he also comes from like super white looking, privileged looking guy. 314 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 3: He can play that character. But he was totally believable 315 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 3: in one battle after another, and I just don't think 316 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 3: Glenn Powell could do that well. 317 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:57,479 Speaker 1: Leo is also at that point in his age and 318 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 1: his you know, countenance where he can look like shit, 319 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: yeah and be like effective and funny and like he 320 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 1: It's like Leo could be the character actor of his 321 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 1: fucking fantasies now if he wanted to be. Yeah, Glenn 322 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 1: Powell is still the hunk, Like he cannot play someone 323 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 1: grimy or I mean, even if he was just like 324 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 1: a run of the mill construction worker, you know, pipe 325 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 1: fitter guy or whatever his character was, I was just like, 326 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: I'm not buying it. Don't flash those abs and tell 327 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 1: me that this guy's are revolutionary. 328 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 3: Yeah. Period. 329 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: So anyway, I kind of took me out of the 330 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:39,640 Speaker 1: movie a little bit. I also have other opinions about 331 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 1: the movie, which I will keep to myself. This has 332 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:45,160 Speaker 1: already gone on too long, but I maybe I don't 333 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:50,120 Speaker 1: want to reveal them. Sure, for for reasons you don't 334 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:52,680 Speaker 1: need to know about. But I I was like, yeah, 335 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 1: I was disappointed, and. 336 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 3: Well, do you like the original Running Man? 337 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:00,879 Speaker 1: I love Arnold, So I mean I think that answers 338 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: a question. So it's like that thing where I'm like, 339 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 1: and I mean, like, the concept of it is interesting, obviously, 340 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 1: but it's like and I also think there are definitely 341 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:11,359 Speaker 1: great parts of the movie. I mean, Coleman Domingo is 342 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 1: really good in the movie. But for the most part, 343 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:16,920 Speaker 1: I could just cannot understand what was happening with Glen 344 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 1: Powell and he will never be listening to this. But 345 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 1: you know, I'm sorry, sir. You maybe incredibly nice. But 346 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:26,160 Speaker 1: then I've also seen you in a movie with Sidney Sweeney, 347 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:27,880 Speaker 1: which don't even get me started about that. 348 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 3: Like, yeah, I mean they are two peas in a 349 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 3: little pod. 350 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels like they're kind of like the Maga 351 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 1: prom King and Queen. Should I even say that? It 352 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 1: just feels it feels that way. 353 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 3: We're not saying they are that way, but even though 354 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 3: Sidney Sweeney is a registered Republican. 355 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, anyway, all that to say, my only 356 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 1: movie logged this week, and I was I had my 357 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:53,920 Speaker 1: feet in the air of the entire time, and yeah. 358 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:57,879 Speaker 3: A traumatic experience from head to toe. 359 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 1: Seems like all right, so what about your diary and 360 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:01,399 Speaker 1: what's going on? 361 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 3: Okay, So I watched three movies this week and I 362 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 3: liked all of them. Number one, I watched Gross point 363 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 3: Blank from nineteen ninety seven. I've never seen this before 364 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 3: done and fuck, are you serious? Yeah, I'm serious. It's 365 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:16,640 Speaker 3: great and it's great and I loved it. And it's 366 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:19,880 Speaker 3: interesting because I was like, John Cusack made Gross point 367 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 3: Blank and High Fidelity kind of back to back, and 368 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 3: he produced both of those with like his production company, 369 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:30,879 Speaker 3: and he hasn't really done he hasn't produced, he's done 370 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 3: I think he did a movie called War Inc. Which 371 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:36,359 Speaker 3: I haven't seen, which apparently is a loose sequel to 372 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:40,640 Speaker 3: Gross point Blank. But I would love if he tried 373 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 3: to produce more movies kind of with his production company 374 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 3: out of Chicago. I don't even know if that production 375 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 3: company is like a functioning company anymore, but like Gross 376 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 3: point blank and High Fidelity, those are like two amazing movies. Yeah, 377 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 3: you know. 378 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: And I have to say, like a lot of people 379 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 1: fell in love with Minie Driver, either from Circle of 380 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:05,679 Speaker 1: Friends or Goodwill Hunting, and I have to say, this 381 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 1: is the one that got me her like her and 382 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: Gross point Blank. I was like, I'm in love with 383 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:10,920 Speaker 1: that woman. 384 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 3: Yep, uh huh, you too loved it? I yeah, I 385 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 3: love this type of John Cusack movie, and I just 386 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 3: I want more yeah of that. And I don't know 387 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 3: if it's too late or if he even wants to 388 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 3: make these types of movies, but this type of movie 389 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 3: is great. This kind of like funny, quirky, character driven 390 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:32,920 Speaker 3: comedy is great and I loved it. But I love 391 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 3: John Cusack and I just want to see him more 392 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 3: often in movies that I want to see. Yeah, fair enough, 393 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,920 Speaker 3: I've mentioned that before, but I love him. Okay. Then 394 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,680 Speaker 3: I watched The Naked Gun from twenty twenty five between 395 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 3: Reason and Pamela Anderson. I had a damn blast. I 396 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 3: was giggling. I had so much fun. There is a 397 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 3: joke about Buffy the Vampire Slayer that had me laughing 398 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 3: so hard. Anyways, I he was great, It was great. 399 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 3: I loved it. 400 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 1: That version was the Fergie joke for me. 401 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 3: The Fergie joke the black Eyed Peas joke, they're very 402 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 3: similar jokes. They're kind of like run on references to 403 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 3: something you wouldn't think Liam Neeson's character would know anything about, 404 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 3: but it was. There was some really funny stuff in there, 405 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 3: and it's like laugh a minute. It's the type of 406 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 3: movie where there's like a joke every two seconds. Yeah, 407 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:30,160 Speaker 3: you know. And I had a great time. Even though 408 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 3: David Zucker is it David Zucker who did the original 409 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 3: Airplane and Naked Gun. He was like, I did not 410 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,919 Speaker 3: like the new one. It wasn't good. Ah well, but 411 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 3: I was like, it is good. I like the original 412 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 3: Naked Gun and I like this one. I thought this, 413 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:47,200 Speaker 3: I don't know, I thought it was a good continuation. 414 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:48,119 Speaker 3: Did I tell you? 415 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:50,399 Speaker 1: Did I tell you that. Did I mention this on 416 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 1: the podcast. What I saw in the theater. I think 417 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 1: it was opening maybe an opening night or opening weekend. 418 00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 1: That everybody, virtually everybody in the theater was plus and 419 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: it warmed my heart so much. 420 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 3: That's great. Yeah, that was great. Lots of laughter. It's 421 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 3: fun being in a theater where people are really laughing. 422 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was great. 423 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 3: And then I watched a movie called micro Budget from 424 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 3: twenty twenty four, and this might come into play in 425 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 3: a future episode. I really enjoyed it. It's a mockumentary 426 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 3: about a the making of a micro budget movie and 427 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 3: it was very funny. And put a pin in that 428 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 3: for later. 429 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 1: Okay, we'll do. 430 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:38,199 Speaker 3: But that's it. That's all I have. 431 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 2: All Right, Well, I guess we're closing this shit, close 432 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 2: it up, bye bye. 433 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 3: All right, we are back. It is time for our 434 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 3: big movie discussion, and we're talking about Zodiac from two 435 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:06,920 Speaker 3: thousand and seven, directed by David Fincher, screenplay by James Vanderbilt, 436 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:10,160 Speaker 3: based on the book Zodiac by Robert Gray Smith, who's 437 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 3: also a character in this movie, played by Jake Jillenhall. 438 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 3: The genre true crime thriller ensemble period piece themes paranoia, obsession, drama. 439 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 3: Stand out actors. Who isn't in this What actor is 440 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 3: not in this movie? There's so many all your guys, 441 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 3: my guys, all. 442 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 1: My guys, like even ones. I was like, oh shit, 443 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 1: that is my. 444 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 3: Guy, Elius Cotius, my king, my Greek king. I love him. 445 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 3: I'm talking Donald Log Donald Logue, Yeah, he loved him, 446 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 3: met him. 447 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 1: He love him. Brian Cox, who doesn't love that? Motherfucker? 448 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: Anthony Edwards, who we love here on this podcast. 449 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 3: We do love here. Yeah, Miracle Mile. 450 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:53,440 Speaker 1: Or Calemile You kidding? 451 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 3: Come on, I would love to have acted in this movie. 452 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:02,159 Speaker 3: Can you imagine just a big fat Evandy's tie? What 453 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 3: great smoking cigarettes on set? God? 454 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is like you know, we talked about this 455 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 1: when we were talking about the ice Storm because you 456 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 1: were like bringing up doesn't like something about like seventies 457 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 1: movies looking really hokey. Yeah, and they have the tendency 458 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 1: to do that, but that there's a couple of movies 459 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 1: that they're the seventies has really lived in. This is 460 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:21,360 Speaker 1: one of them. 461 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, it didn't feel like that different from our reality. 462 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 3: It's just like fashions a little different. They aren't using computers. Yeah, 463 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:32,119 Speaker 3: you know, like it felt very real. Uh yeah. Standout 464 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 3: actor is Jake Jyllenholme, Mike Mark, Mike Ruffalo, Mark Ruffalo, 465 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 3: Robert Downey Junior, Anthony Edwards, Brian Cox, Dermott Milroney, pops in. 466 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 1: There, James la Grosse. 467 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,919 Speaker 3: I mean, come on, man, James la Grosse, Chloe Savigner 468 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 3: famous quotes, Na, this. 469 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 1: Is the Zodiac speaking. I feel like that's that's like, 470 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:53,360 Speaker 1: A is. 471 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,399 Speaker 3: The Zodiac speaking. Yeah, it is a. I guess that 472 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,679 Speaker 3: is a famous quote because he did they did say that. 473 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 3: Uh huh yeah, Millie, MILLI. What's your personal connection to 474 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 3: this movie? 475 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 1: Why do I laugh every single time? I'm never gonna 476 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 1: not laugh. My personal connection is very fucking strong, because 477 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 1: here's the tea. Like I when I first saw Zodiac, 478 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 1: I saw it a couple of years after it came out, 479 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 1: not right when it came out, but a couple of 480 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 1: years after. I was literally like looking around, going, why 481 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 1: all y'all hate this movie? This is fucking fantastic. This 482 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:34,720 Speaker 1: is a fucking great movie. Uh and you know this 483 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 1: I'm talking about. This is how I felt, in spite 484 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 1: of the baggage. The centophile baggage of David Fincher. I'm 485 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:49,679 Speaker 1: gonna say it, yeah, like so many dudes love to 486 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 1: talk about David Fincher, and it's like so exhausting, Okay, yeah. Unfortunately, 487 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,440 Speaker 1: I feel like sometimes when when you have these types 488 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 1: of directors that people just like talk about ad nauseum 489 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:09,680 Speaker 1: a bros. Film brows, You're just like, ugh, don't even 490 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 1: want to fucking watch his movies. Like, just so, having 491 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 1: said that, I was like, this movie is, dare I 492 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:19,120 Speaker 1: say a masterpiece? 493 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 3: Please? Dare I think it is a masterpiece? 494 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 1: And so from that point on, I just really couldn't 495 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 1: understand why people didn't like it. And then I a 496 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 1: couple of years ago, actually well, I was still living 497 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 1: in LA. They showed it at the New Beverly Cinema, 498 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 1: which everybody knows in La, famous movie theater in LA. 499 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:40,399 Speaker 1: They were playing Zodiac and I was like, I'm riding 500 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 1: my bike to see that shit, are you kidding me? 501 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,639 Speaker 1: I've never seen it in a movie theater, went and 502 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,920 Speaker 1: saw it, had an amazing time. Two and a half 503 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,200 Speaker 1: hours later, came out of a movie theater scared out 504 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 1: of my fucking mind, and I was like, oh, I 505 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 1: got to ride my bike back home in the dark, 506 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:57,359 Speaker 1: and I was terrified. 507 00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,439 Speaker 3: I was terrified. Did you have a light on your bike? 508 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:00,479 Speaker 3: Or you're wearing helmet? 509 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 1: Very concerned all these things. I say, I have a 510 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 1: helmet as MIPS. It's a MIPS helmet. I had, like 511 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:12,440 Speaker 1: to two lights, flashing light. But I'm a woman riding 512 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 1: a bike a loan in West Hollywood, where tons of 513 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:16,360 Speaker 1: famous murders have happened. 514 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:18,160 Speaker 3: So I was scared. 515 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 1: And like, when I watched it this time so we 516 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 1: could talk about it, I was scared. 517 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:23,639 Speaker 3: Again. 518 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 1: This shit rattles me. Man, Like, yeah, it's great. What 519 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 1: about you? What's your connection? 520 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 3: So I was one of these shitheads who would have 521 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 3: been screaming at you. Really, I would have been yelling 522 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 3: this movie sucks. I saw this in college. I saw 523 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,479 Speaker 3: it in the theaters, and you know, I was in 524 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 3: film school, so you know, I'm right in. I'm in 525 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 3: the pool. I'm in the stew of the shitheads and 526 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 3: we love you know. I loved Seven, I loved The Game, 527 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 3: Panic Room, Fight Club. All those movies have a very 528 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 3: edgy sort of look to them, and they're all pretty 529 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 3: violent and thrilling, you know, Yeah, and they're all kind 530 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 3: of the same. They are very much all sort of 531 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 3: the same genre, I would say, a movie. And so 532 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 3: when I went to go see Zodiac also, I want 533 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 3: to say, this was also right when movies were sort 534 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 3: of starting to be shot on digital. If you recall, 535 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 3: so there was like movies like Collateral that came out 536 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 3: or I don't know, there was a few others that 537 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 3: came out around this time, and Zodiac was one of them. 538 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 3: And in film school it was very much like digital 539 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 3: things shot digitally suck. Digital is evil. Things need to 540 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 3: be shot on film. And then Zodiac is shot on digital. 541 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 3: And I will say, even watching it this time, some 542 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 3: of the night scenes, I'm like, this doesn't look very 543 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 3: good to It's not that it doesn't look good, but 544 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,959 Speaker 3: I'm like, I can tell this is a digital camera. 545 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 3: And I think when I saw it in theaters that 546 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 3: really bothered me. But more than that, I was just 547 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 3: kind of like, this isn't like a David Fincher movie. 548 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 3: This is like messy and long and big and not 549 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 3: tight and violent like I'm used to with David Fincher movie. 550 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 3: So I kind of was like, I don't get this. 551 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 3: I don't think this is good. I think he messed up. Anyways, 552 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 3: that was the last time I saw the movie, and 553 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 3: so when I was gonna rewatch it, I was like, oh, 554 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 3: everybody has changed their pindir tune on this one, and 555 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 3: I guarantee you I will not. I'm gonna think this 556 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 3: sucks still. And I loved it it totally. I was like, 557 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 3: this is the best David Fincher movie. I totally have 558 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 3: done a total one eighty on it. Yes, And I 559 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 3: thought it was so good. I thought it was so textured. 560 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 3: I thought it was so funny. I thought it was 561 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 3: had a lighter touch than a lot of other David 562 00:30:55,520 --> 00:31:00,120 Speaker 3: Fincher movies. And I was just like really impressed. And 563 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 3: I also was able to appreciate it this time as 564 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:06,240 Speaker 3: more of a newspaper journalism movie, which it very much is, 565 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 3: in addition to being scary. Yeah. So anyways, that's very 566 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 3: long winded, but that's sort of my personal connection to 567 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 3: the movie. 568 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I'm actually I mean, it pleases me very 569 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 1: much that you have revised your opinion on Zodiac, because 570 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 1: I do think that, I mean, I do think that 571 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 1: this movie is a perfect example of something which we 572 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 1: you know, basically a spouse here on the podcast which 573 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:34,240 Speaker 1: is that you should see movies again, like if you can't, 574 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 1: if you can stomach it, that is, Yeah, because time 575 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 1: and place contexts your personal life, everything plays into. 576 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 3: Growth as a human being. I mean something you just 577 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 3: I mean I talked about that with the Ice Storm. 578 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 3: I was like when I watched it, when I was like, 579 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 3: I don't know, nineteen, I was like, I don't get this, 580 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 3: you know, but like now I'm a middle aged man 581 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 3: with a child, then maybe I have some more understanding 582 00:31:58,480 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 3: of the world now. 583 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 1: So yeah, and I think that just like, I mean, 584 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 1: this is like kind of like foundation of the cinema 585 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 1: shithead that we talk about so much here, which is 586 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 1: that you know, at certain points you just crave different 587 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 1: tempos for films. I mean, when I was younger, I 588 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,959 Speaker 1: liked really gnarly, violent, salacious, fucked up movies. And then 589 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 1: as I've gotten older, I find myself wanting slower pacing 590 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 1: a little bit more, you know, to unravel. Like this 591 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,280 Speaker 1: is what I think is so pleasing about, and this 592 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:34,960 Speaker 1: is something I wanted to talk to you about kind 593 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 1: of right off the bat. Is the idea of these 594 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 1: kind of crime procedural films, which are very like long 595 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,040 Speaker 1: because I think that that was a criticism of the movie. 596 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 1: I think when I had was starting to watch it, 597 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 1: maybe like again like twenty nine twenty ten, which is 598 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 1: that it's like God is so boring. It's like so 599 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,240 Speaker 1: detail oriented. It's like, who gives a shit? You know, 600 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:58,200 Speaker 1: like why are we going through like, you know, these 601 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 1: tiny little details. And I that is one of the 602 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 1: best things about the movie to me is that this 603 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 1: is just a slow burn of all these facts that 604 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 1: I think as a younger person I probably wouldn't have 605 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 1: had the stomach for I would have gotten bored too. 606 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 1: But now as an older person, I'm like, yes, this 607 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,160 Speaker 1: is juicy, Give me everything, give me the deeps. 608 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, I mean like every little fact, I was like, ooh, 609 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 3: the handwriting doesn't match. His r's are different, you know. 610 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 3: I was really hanging on each little development. 611 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 1: Right, And this is an unsolved case. So it is, yes, 612 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 1: possibly one of the most famous unsolved crimes in history, 613 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 1: I would say, if not the most, definitely in the 614 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 1: top three. 615 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:45,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. 616 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 1: So there's a lot of meat on that boat. And 617 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 1: I feel like, like a good movie is knows how 618 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 1: to distill that information to where you feel like you're 619 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 1: getting a lot of info and it isn't five hours 620 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:01,959 Speaker 1: at six hours long, I feel like it's a perfect 621 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,120 Speaker 1: balance of these things, and like, quite honestly, it made 622 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,240 Speaker 1: me want to read Robert Graysmith's book, Like. 623 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,880 Speaker 3: I absolutely I'm about to go buy that shit right now. 624 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,439 Speaker 1: I'm like, this sounds asolutely awesome and I definitely want 625 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,480 Speaker 1: to know more about it. But it's I don't know 626 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,920 Speaker 1: if you thought about this. I certainly thought about it 627 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,319 Speaker 1: this time. Did it not seem that there were so 628 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 1: many setups? Like because think about this movie being like 629 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,240 Speaker 1: what two and a half hours something like that. Yeah, 630 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:32,920 Speaker 1: and they it's packed with you know, procedure almost kind 631 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:36,200 Speaker 1: of like day by day in a lot of sequences, 632 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,680 Speaker 1: but that they were all have the scenes were happening fast. 633 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,839 Speaker 1: So I was like, I was like, going, how many 634 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:47,839 Speaker 1: setups did they use total in this film? Because there's 635 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:53,640 Speaker 1: different clothes, different scenes, different setups, and I'm going they 636 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:58,200 Speaker 1: must have had like a thousand or so cuts on 637 00:34:58,239 --> 00:34:59,839 Speaker 1: the cutting room floor that they didn't use. 638 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,439 Speaker 3: It seems like an exhausting movie to put together. Yeah, 639 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 3: I do think that's what like makes that is one 640 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:11,759 Speaker 3: of David Fincher's superpowers is his like meticulous concentration on 641 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:16,440 Speaker 3: very specific details, and he's like so detail oriented that 642 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,480 Speaker 3: it seems like he's like the kind of man who 643 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,239 Speaker 3: can make a movie like this. Because this movie does 644 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,360 Speaker 3: take place over like years, like you're saying, it's like 645 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,279 Speaker 3: there's like all these like like they go back to 646 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,759 Speaker 3: the same locations, but it's like it's years later, so 647 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:29,719 Speaker 3: they look they probably look a little different, and people 648 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 3: are wearing different clothes and stuff, and it's just the same. 649 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 1: There's not even really like super long takes though, do 650 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:37,880 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. It's like, yeah, they really 651 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,560 Speaker 1: chop it up. And I'm like, I don't know, I 652 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,440 Speaker 1: just I was kind of like reeling from that fact 653 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,320 Speaker 1: this time. I'm like, man, they must have like. 654 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,440 Speaker 3: Had it was a long shoot. Yeah, it was a 655 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,879 Speaker 3: long shoot, and I know some of the actors were 656 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,040 Speaker 3: getting a little worn down by not just to shoot, 657 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:57,480 Speaker 3: but also Fincher's meticulous nature, which maybe we'll get into 658 00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:01,239 Speaker 3: a little bit later. I'm just gonna start some of 659 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 3: the synopsis right now, do it, Okay. So the opening 660 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:09,520 Speaker 3: of the movie, it kind of opens with two murders 661 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:13,400 Speaker 3: pretty close together. This this this plot is gonna be 662 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:18,120 Speaker 3: tough to put out. So I'm gonna just I'm a 663 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,680 Speaker 3: painting with broad brushstrokes here. So we open with a 664 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,520 Speaker 3: very frightening scene of Darlene Farren and Mike Majeaux being 665 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,360 Speaker 3: shot in a car in Lover's lane like this is 666 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,879 Speaker 3: like the first scene of the movie and their young 667 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:36,040 Speaker 3: kids and Mike survives and Darlene doesn't. Okay, we've introduced 668 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:40,279 Speaker 3: this murderer. Later, the San Francisco and this is in 669 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:44,200 Speaker 3: northern California. Later, the s at the San Francisco Chronicle, 670 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,960 Speaker 3: they receive coded letters from a man calling himself Zodiac. 671 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,360 Speaker 3: He demands that his coded letters be printed in the 672 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,279 Speaker 3: paper or else he's going to kill a bunch of people. 673 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,239 Speaker 3: He makes a bunch of threats about killing all sorts 674 00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:58,520 Speaker 3: of people, including school children. Paul Avery, played by Robert 675 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,920 Speaker 3: Downey Junior, is a right at and reporter at the 676 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:03,799 Speaker 3: Chronicle and he ends up being kind of the main 677 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:07,840 Speaker 3: guy writing about the Zodiac for the San Francisco Chronicle. 678 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,880 Speaker 3: Robert gray Smith is a political cartoonist play by Jake Gillenhall, 679 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:19,720 Speaker 3: and he is just sort of around collecting information overhearing conversations. 680 00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,880 Speaker 3: He's a political cartoonist. He has no involvement in these cases. 681 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,720 Speaker 3: He's not even writing about it, but he's just around. 682 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:32,400 Speaker 3: So then another couple is murdered, Brian Hartnell and Cecilia Sheppard. 683 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,600 Speaker 3: These are real people. They are stabbed by the Zodiac 684 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:40,399 Speaker 3: while hanging out near Lake Barriessa. Again, the man survives 685 00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:44,080 Speaker 3: and the woman is killed. So that's sort of the 686 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,239 Speaker 3: beginning kind of the setup, these two murders, and the 687 00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,840 Speaker 3: Zodiac is taking credit for these murders in his letters 688 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,080 Speaker 3: to the newspaper. So this is sort of the setup. 689 00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,920 Speaker 3: And this is the seventies, this is the late sixties 690 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,319 Speaker 3: at this point in nineteen sixty nine, and this movie 691 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:02,440 Speaker 3: takes place over the course of like fifteen twenty years, 692 00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,440 Speaker 3: right basically, So what you know, we talked about even 693 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,440 Speaker 3: Fincher a little bit, but like, what is your relationship 694 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,279 Speaker 3: to David fincher movies? And would you did you say 695 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:12,520 Speaker 3: that this is your favorite one? 696 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:17,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, it is for sure. I mean I have sort 697 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:22,000 Speaker 1: of dipped in and out of him in my life. 698 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,440 Speaker 1: I mean, to be completely honest with you, I'm like, 699 00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,719 Speaker 1: he gets an a plus for me for shooting those 700 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:34,720 Speaker 1: Madonna videos from the eighties, shot express let's express yourself 701 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:39,239 Speaker 1: yog So I love that stuff, can't get enough of that. 702 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,360 Speaker 1: I loved seven in high school. I have gone on 703 00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:48,560 Speaker 1: record talking about this. I saw what you did. I 704 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,719 Speaker 1: was stupidly obsessed with that. Me and my friends were 705 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:55,279 Speaker 1: so stupidly obsessed with seven when it came out, and 706 00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,440 Speaker 1: we were just dorks about it. If you remember me 707 00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,799 Speaker 1: talking about my affiliation with the Seven Deadly Monkeys, you 708 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:10,040 Speaker 1: might know exactly what I'm talking about. I I liked 709 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,200 Speaker 1: Seven and rewatched it for the pod, thought it was great, 710 00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,680 Speaker 1: and then like there's just stuff in between that I was, 711 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,439 Speaker 1: I mean, no interest in Fight Club by the way, 712 00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:22,520 Speaker 1: like Zero I watched it, I was like, I mean, 713 00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,960 Speaker 1: I don't even need to go into that at all. Yeah, 714 00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:30,760 Speaker 1: did not see Benji Buttons, but I liked Gone Girls, 715 00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:32,799 Speaker 1: So it was kind of that feeling of like eh, 716 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,040 Speaker 1: and then I'm like, oh, this is interesting. Oh and 717 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:36,560 Speaker 1: then you know, so it's kind of like I don't know, 718 00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,359 Speaker 1: I'm very like hot and cold with him. But when 719 00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:44,319 Speaker 1: I when I saw Zodiac, I was like, absolutely fantastic, 720 00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:48,120 Speaker 1: and I was like, this has to be his best movie. 721 00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,680 Speaker 1: I don't know, is it because it's the Underdog. I 722 00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:51,000 Speaker 1: don't know. 723 00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:53,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, it is sort of his most like it is 724 00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:59,960 Speaker 3: kind of a non commercial movie in some ways. Yeah, 725 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,400 Speaker 3: because it is just so long and boring in the 726 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:07,960 Speaker 3: best possible way. But yeah, I I have kind of 727 00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,719 Speaker 3: a similar relationship to David Fincher that you have. I'm 728 00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,160 Speaker 3: a little hot and cold on him. I like seven. 729 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,680 Speaker 3: I really liked Fight Club when I was in high school. 730 00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:20,480 Speaker 3: I need to rewatch that because I'm like, bro, I'm 731 00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,520 Speaker 3: just like curious what my reaction to it would be. Now. 732 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,560 Speaker 3: I really liked The Social Network when that came out, 733 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,359 Speaker 3: and I liked Gone Girl a lot. I also liked 734 00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:35,040 Speaker 3: Girl with the Dragon Tattoo, and but I really did 735 00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:39,040 Speaker 3: not like Mank really Yeah, and I thought The Killer 736 00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:42,640 Speaker 3: was pretty good. The Killer was pretty too, But I 737 00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:46,000 Speaker 3: would I would say he's like not my He's not 738 00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,200 Speaker 3: I don't really like hold him. I like a lot 739 00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:51,120 Speaker 3: of his movies, but I don't like love him like 740 00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:55,040 Speaker 3: like some people are like love him as a like director, 741 00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,719 Speaker 3: like I don't. I'm a tour I don't really like 742 00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:01,400 Speaker 3: hold him in a personal place in my heart. I 743 00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,399 Speaker 3: guess this is what I would say. But he is 744 00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:07,560 Speaker 3: the thing that I do sort of find his whole thing. 745 00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:11,800 Speaker 3: He's famous for taking like one hundred takes of every scene. 746 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:18,440 Speaker 3: Is he and actors really get annoyed with him? And 747 00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:22,160 Speaker 3: Robert Downey Junior said on this movie because Jake Jonenhall 748 00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,800 Speaker 3: was like getting really irritated filming this movie. And Robert 749 00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:29,440 Speaker 3: Downey Junior said, I just decided, aside from several times 750 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,120 Speaker 3: I wanted to grow to him, which means strangle him, 751 00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:34,680 Speaker 3: that I was going to give him what he wanted. 752 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,000 Speaker 3: I think I'm a perfect person to work for him 753 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,799 Speaker 3: because I understand goologs. That's Robert Downey Junior's quote about 754 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,800 Speaker 3: working on this movie. So I don't know. I think 755 00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:48,960 Speaker 3: that like sort of Stanley Kubrick style of filmmaking and 756 00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:52,800 Speaker 3: directing is a little like corny and outdated. Like being 757 00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:58,560 Speaker 3: this like dictator on the set I think is kind 758 00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:03,920 Speaker 3: of bad for the film industry. But he doesn't. He's 759 00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,759 Speaker 3: not like a cancelable director or anything. But I do 760 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,080 Speaker 3: find that kind of attitude obnoxious. 761 00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,719 Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, I do. I do think that that's 762 00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,479 Speaker 1: probably pretty annoying. I also think, at the same time, 763 00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,840 Speaker 1: Mike do I feel sorry for Jake jollen Hall having 764 00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,560 Speaker 1: to do one hundred takes in Zodiac, I'm like, I 765 00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:26,279 Speaker 1: don't know, he's hot, he's famous, he dated Taylor Show, So. 766 00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:27,439 Speaker 3: What's he got to complain about? 767 00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,400 Speaker 1: Oh, this is your only job. Hey, I wish my 768 00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:34,040 Speaker 1: job could be an awesome dude in an awesome movie. 769 00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:39,000 Speaker 3: My wife is very attracted to him. That's another thing 770 00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:40,560 Speaker 3: that he's got going for him. 771 00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,440 Speaker 1: This is the hot This is a high era of 772 00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,040 Speaker 1: Jake g I would say too. 773 00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:48,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, because I like Jake Jillen Hall. 774 00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:50,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm also kind of hot and cold with him 775 00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,680 Speaker 1: too in that interesting Yeah, I don't know, Like there 776 00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:55,600 Speaker 1: are times where I'm like, oh, he's cute, and like 777 00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,600 Speaker 1: in Zodia, I was like, he's adorable this movie, adorable 778 00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,399 Speaker 1: as he could be in a movie about a serial killer, right, 779 00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:03,640 Speaker 1: But then there are times where I'm like, yeah, I 780 00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:05,760 Speaker 1: don't really like him very much. But it's it's hard 781 00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:09,799 Speaker 1: because it's like again, like I don't know, Like this 782 00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:14,960 Speaker 1: movie is so chalk full of like dudes, right, Like 783 00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:20,920 Speaker 1: all these dudes that sinophile types have opinions about, including RDJ, 784 00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:25,439 Speaker 1: will get to that. I'm sure Mark Ruffalo people fucking 785 00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,240 Speaker 1: love Mark Ruffalo. I actually think he's fantastic in this movie, 786 00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,440 Speaker 1: by the way, But you put it all together and 787 00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:34,840 Speaker 1: you're kind of like, Okay, like, what's if I can do? 788 00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:39,240 Speaker 1: I need to strip back my personal opinions about people 789 00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:43,520 Speaker 1: in the context of like sinophilia and just try to 790 00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,320 Speaker 1: see it for what it is, because unfortunately it colors 791 00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,520 Speaker 1: your opinions about things like the ways in which people 792 00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:54,800 Speaker 1: talk about certain actors and directors that are quote unquote artists, 793 00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:57,040 Speaker 1: this kind of stuff, and you're, you know, sometimes you're 794 00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:00,839 Speaker 1: just like negatively affected by it. 795 00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:05,879 Speaker 3: Right, Sometimes fans of things negatively affect the thing itself, yes, 796 00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:10,440 Speaker 3: and that's unfortunate. You know. Christopher Nolan is kind of 797 00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:13,480 Speaker 3: a similar type of director in my mind as David Fincher, 798 00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,680 Speaker 3: and I like a lot of Christopher Nolan movies, but 799 00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,520 Speaker 3: his fans are really annoying to me, and it makes 800 00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:20,440 Speaker 3: me want to seek out his movies. 801 00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:22,080 Speaker 1: Last well, I mean, we talked about it a bit, 802 00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,640 Speaker 1: we were talking about PTA and one battle after another, 803 00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:25,440 Speaker 1: it's like this. 804 00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:26,080 Speaker 4: You know. 805 00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:27,800 Speaker 1: It's like I show up at a movie theater and 806 00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,480 Speaker 1: there's three hundred other dudes there and I'm just like, Okay, 807 00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,719 Speaker 1: I see what this is. Even though I love Pta 808 00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,319 Speaker 1: and I am a huge fan of a lot of 809 00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,520 Speaker 1: his movies. It's just, you know, it's that thing. I 810 00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:44,400 Speaker 1: don't feel like I'm punching down by saying suck it up, 811 00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:47,840 Speaker 1: Jake Chillenhall or something. But I also think it is annoying. 812 00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,799 Speaker 1: I would I would think to be an actor and 813 00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,360 Speaker 1: to have somebody make new things over and over. 814 00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,520 Speaker 3: And over again. Yeah, all right, I'm gonna move on 815 00:44:55,560 --> 00:45:00,560 Speaker 3: to the next section here. So a cab driver, Paul Stein, 816 00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:04,120 Speaker 3: is killed by the Zodiac in San Francisco. The Zodiac 817 00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,319 Speaker 3: has entered the city because up until now it's been 818 00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:10,399 Speaker 3: sort of in these counties outside of San Francisco. So 819 00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,319 Speaker 3: Dave Toski played by Mark Ruffalo and his partner Bill 820 00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:16,600 Speaker 3: Armstrong played by Anthony Edwards are assigned to the case. 821 00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,240 Speaker 3: So this is where these two guys enter the picture. 822 00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:26,960 Speaker 3: And I like them immediately. Yes, Mark ruf Dave Tosky. 823 00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,040 Speaker 3: He loves animal crackers, so do I. You know. The 824 00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:33,440 Speaker 3: Zodiac demands also to talk to famed attorney Melvin Belli 825 00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,839 Speaker 3: played by Brian Cox on TV, and they do this 826 00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:41,880 Speaker 3: on TV. Melvin Belli is like Zodiac call in and 827 00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:46,960 Speaker 3: the Zodiac allegedly calls in, but it's unclear if it's 828 00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:50,680 Speaker 3: actually him, which is kind of an ongoing thing. Who 829 00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,400 Speaker 3: is the Zodiac? Was this an actual message from the 830 00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:58,880 Speaker 3: Zodiac or a copycat? It's hard to know. But the 831 00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:03,320 Speaker 3: Zodiac also sent a piece of the dead cab driver's 832 00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:08,520 Speaker 3: blooded shirt too, Reporter Paul Avery. So now Robert Donney 833 00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:13,600 Speaker 3: Junior's character is actually getting male from the Zodiac killer. 834 00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:15,120 Speaker 3: What do you think of RDJ? 835 00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:21,360 Speaker 1: God, why are you asking me all these like film 836 00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:23,400 Speaker 1: school shithead questions today? 837 00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,200 Speaker 3: Why are you asking me all these questions about movies? 838 00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:31,120 Speaker 1: Well, it's like, Okay, I need to stay for the 839 00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,480 Speaker 1: record that I've not seen the Iron Man movies. Okay, 840 00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:38,560 Speaker 1: I don't know RDYJ in his current form, which is 841 00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:43,080 Speaker 1: that he's a Marvel guy. Okay, Yeah, I know him 842 00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:48,279 Speaker 1: from eighties movies like Weird Science, which I think he 843 00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:53,319 Speaker 1: was great in despite people's feelings about Weird Science. But 844 00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,560 Speaker 1: I grew up with him in these movies in like 845 00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,560 Speaker 1: the Less Than Zero's and the pick Up Artists and stuff. Right, 846 00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:04,640 Speaker 1: So that's the charisma that I remember him having as 847 00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:07,960 Speaker 1: an actor, which I feel like he has just continued 848 00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:12,000 Speaker 1: to do throughout his career, right, so really you're like, Okay, 849 00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:15,120 Speaker 1: well he's kind of the same dude. Maybe he's not 850 00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,000 Speaker 1: that way in chaplain, but you know what I mean, 851 00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:18,600 Speaker 1: Like for the most part, like when he's not like 852 00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:22,400 Speaker 1: stuck in an impression of someone and he's allowed to 853 00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:27,640 Speaker 1: just be himself, like that base character base him is 854 00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,760 Speaker 1: great to me. I think he's charming and funny and 855 00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:34,400 Speaker 1: and I think that in Zodiac it's the best, one 856 00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:39,919 Speaker 1: of the best representations of that personality. Does that make sense? 857 00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,520 Speaker 3: I agree. I like the whole RDJ thing. I think 858 00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:46,480 Speaker 3: he's charming and funny. But there are movies where it 859 00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:48,840 Speaker 3: feels like the inmates are running the asylum and he 860 00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,759 Speaker 3: has been taken off the chain, and I feel like 861 00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:54,479 Speaker 3: the movie suffers as a result. I remember seeing Home 862 00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:57,560 Speaker 3: for the Holidays. Do you remember that Thanksgiving movie from 863 00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,799 Speaker 3: nineteen ninety five, directed by Jodie Foster, Uh huh. I 864 00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:04,719 Speaker 3: feel like RDJ was really allowed to let loose in 865 00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:06,920 Speaker 3: that one, and it just felt like out of control. 866 00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:11,440 Speaker 3: So this I felt like was the best use of him, 867 00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:14,520 Speaker 3: because it was he was, you know, under the thumb 868 00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:18,360 Speaker 3: of David Fincher, but still so charming and funny, but 869 00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:20,520 Speaker 3: within the confines of the movie more it felt like 870 00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:23,640 Speaker 3: it was being utilized properly in this movie, so I 871 00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:25,360 Speaker 3: enjoyed having him in it. 872 00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, he plays his character is kind of like a 873 00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:36,120 Speaker 1: bohemian newspaper reporter, has droken alcohol problems, yes, but he's 874 00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:38,680 Speaker 1: kind of just like this. I don't know that. He's 875 00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:42,000 Speaker 1: got this like zestiness to him that is just really 876 00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:45,640 Speaker 1: fun and it kind of breaks up the other characters 877 00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:47,960 Speaker 1: in the movie who were kind of a little less quirky. 878 00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:51,320 Speaker 1: I mean, they all have their quirks. I mean, animal crackers, 879 00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,319 Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? But like you know, he has 880 00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:58,319 Speaker 1: he's kind of the most Sam francisco Ish kind of guy. 881 00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:00,760 Speaker 1: Yeah you know what I mean of a hippie. 882 00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:04,279 Speaker 3: This really made me want to go to San Francisco, 883 00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:08,480 Speaker 3: and I haven't spend like any time there, but it 884 00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:10,920 Speaker 3: sort of seems like a place. It seems like the 885 00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:17,120 Speaker 3: city doesn't exist anymore, or like people don't move there 886 00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:19,520 Speaker 3: in the way that people like, you know, I just 887 00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:20,759 Speaker 3: know a lot of people who are like, oh, I 888 00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,640 Speaker 3: moved to Portland, Oregon, or I moved to New York 889 00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:27,120 Speaker 3: or La or Austin. These sort of like destination cities 890 00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:30,680 Speaker 3: to like find themselves or start over. And I feel 891 00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:32,880 Speaker 3: like San Francisco used to be kind of on that list, 892 00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:38,160 Speaker 3: but now it's just such a Silicon valley, which people city. 893 00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:44,120 Speaker 3: It makes me sad that this really original, famous city 894 00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:45,600 Speaker 3: is not what it once was. 895 00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:48,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you cannot deny that the tech industry 896 00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:50,960 Speaker 1: pretty much ruined San Francisco, you know, in a lot 897 00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:55,239 Speaker 1: of yeahs. I used to go there. I went there 898 00:49:56,080 --> 00:50:00,279 Speaker 1: a couple times in my like early twenties. That's when 899 00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,279 Speaker 1: I went to that mod party that I talked about 900 00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:07,680 Speaker 1: during the dig episode. Yeah. Yeah, And I mean I 901 00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:11,160 Speaker 1: had had such a fondness for it because it was, like, 902 00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:15,440 Speaker 1: you know, I was really into like beat poetry, writers 903 00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:19,080 Speaker 1: and counterculture and this kind of stuff. And then I 904 00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:22,440 Speaker 1: would visit every so often for work and things like that. 905 00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:24,279 Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean I think it I think it 906 00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,959 Speaker 1: was different. I was having a different experience I think 907 00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,680 Speaker 1: than I was saying like nineteen ninety eight, right. 908 00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:31,239 Speaker 3: Yeah. 909 00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:33,799 Speaker 1: But it's interesting in the context of films because San 910 00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:38,080 Speaker 1: Francisco is a place where a lot of crime movies 911 00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:38,600 Speaker 1: have happened. 912 00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:40,640 Speaker 3: I mean it's like, yeah, I mean we talked about 913 00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:43,440 Speaker 3: this on I can't remember what we talked about on 914 00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:45,879 Speaker 3: what noir movie we were talking about, but it was like, 915 00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:48,600 Speaker 3: what cities do noir movies take place in? It's like 916 00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:53,160 Speaker 3: La New York, San Francisco. Yeah, And you know, and it's. 917 00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:56,400 Speaker 1: Funny because I feel like San Francisco. Like, for example, 918 00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:58,479 Speaker 1: if you think about seven, let's just talk about seven, 919 00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:00,440 Speaker 1: the other David Finch movie that takes place in like 920 00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:02,240 Speaker 1: what Seattle or something like that. 921 00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:05,120 Speaker 3: Where it's like an unnamed city, right, but it's like 922 00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:07,200 Speaker 3: you it's definitely Pacific Northwest. 923 00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:10,120 Speaker 1: It rains constantly, you know, and you're like, oh, yeah, 924 00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:13,720 Speaker 1: I mean this is depressing. Of course, crime happens here 925 00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:18,359 Speaker 1: San Francisco. There's a lot of crime films that are 926 00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,560 Speaker 1: set in San Francisco, right, And I think about it 927 00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:23,440 Speaker 1: in terms of, like, wow, what a city to be 928 00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:28,719 Speaker 1: kind of in movies, like this representation of like gritty 929 00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:33,080 Speaker 1: like cops and you know, crimes. And then you know, 930 00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:35,360 Speaker 1: it's like you think about it in terms of having 931 00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:40,879 Speaker 1: this big like hippie history and the idea that now 932 00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,960 Speaker 1: there's like the tech industry there, and you're like, why 933 00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:47,080 Speaker 1: was a lot of like why was Verdigo shot in 934 00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:51,000 Speaker 1: San Francisco, or like why was you know whatever the 935 00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:55,879 Speaker 1: conversation or point blank, like you know all these kind 936 00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:59,200 Speaker 1: of gritty, these kind of gritty movies happening in this 937 00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:02,160 Speaker 1: place of peace, love and happiness, I suppose, but. 938 00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:04,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. 939 00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:06,399 Speaker 1: The weather's really unpredictable in San Francisco. By the way, 940 00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,919 Speaker 1: I've never been to a city in my life where 941 00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:12,600 Speaker 1: I've had to buy clothes as much as I have. 942 00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:14,440 Speaker 1: I swear to go every time I go to services school, 943 00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:17,239 Speaker 1: I have to buy clothes because I'm like not dressed, right. 944 00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:21,560 Speaker 3: Yeah. They talked about that with like a Candlestick Park, 945 00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:23,760 Speaker 3: which is where the forty nine ers used to play, 946 00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:27,560 Speaker 3: and they were like, it was the coldest vortex in 947 00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:29,719 Speaker 3: the on the planet. It was like even on a 948 00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:31,239 Speaker 3: nice day, it was like you had to wear like 949 00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:33,880 Speaker 3: a full winter jacket in there for some reason. 950 00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:36,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, it was. It's I always have to 951 00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:40,600 Speaker 1: buy scarves and hats and jackets sometimes. And I don't know, 952 00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:44,839 Speaker 1: I love it. I love going there, but it's it's 953 00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:48,160 Speaker 1: such an interesting, interesting place and yeah, I don't know, 954 00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:49,920 Speaker 1: Like and I think about it in terms of the 955 00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:55,280 Speaker 1: zodiac too, you're like sixty nine you know, a Zodiac 956 00:52:55,360 --> 00:53:00,440 Speaker 1: killer rolling around up there. You're like, yeah, it's kind 957 00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:03,080 Speaker 1: of that feeling of I mean, they play like, they 958 00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:06,080 Speaker 1: play the song throughout the film, but that Donovan song 959 00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:08,320 Speaker 1: the Hurdy Gurdy Man, which I think is the perfect 960 00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,120 Speaker 1: creepy hippie song to play. 961 00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:13,600 Speaker 3: Okay, I'm gonna move on to the next section, which 962 00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:15,920 Speaker 3: this whole secon The next section, I feel like, is 963 00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:20,520 Speaker 3: just this one scene, which is where they interview Arthur 964 00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:23,360 Speaker 3: Lee Allen played by John Carroll Lynch. Now we have 965 00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:29,480 Speaker 3: detectives Toski and Armstrong. That's Mark Ruffalo and Anthony Edwards, 966 00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,759 Speaker 3: but we also have Jack Mullenax who's a sergeant, and 967 00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:36,320 Speaker 3: that he's played by Elius Cotias and the great Elias Cotiis. 968 00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:40,440 Speaker 3: He's in so many movies. I love Exotica, Crash. 969 00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:42,279 Speaker 1: Some kind of wonderful, what are you fucking kid me? 970 00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:45,560 Speaker 3: Some kind of wonderful, The Thin Red Line. So they 971 00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:49,560 Speaker 3: interview this guy, Arthur Lee Allen also known as Lee Allen, 972 00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:56,000 Speaker 3: and there are all of these kind of uh, what 973 00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:58,359 Speaker 3: do you call it when it's not a hard piece 974 00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:03,440 Speaker 3: of evidence, but it's a circumstantial lots of circumstantial evidence, 975 00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:07,480 Speaker 3: like he was near Lake Barriessa when the couple was killed. 976 00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:10,720 Speaker 3: He had bloodied knives in his car at the time 977 00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:16,320 Speaker 3: that they were stabbed, but he says they're unrelated. He 978 00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:20,120 Speaker 3: knows all these references that are like specific to the zodiac. 979 00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:23,600 Speaker 3: He has a watch that has the zodiac sign on it. 980 00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:25,759 Speaker 3: And this is like, I think this is such a 981 00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:29,160 Speaker 3: center point of the entire movie, this whole scene, and 982 00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:32,040 Speaker 3: it was chilling. I don't know, what did you think 983 00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:33,880 Speaker 3: about this scene? I thought it was incredible. I think 984 00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:37,400 Speaker 3: this like really puts things into focus, this whole scene. 985 00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:42,480 Speaker 1: You know how sometimes you just catch a vibe from 986 00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:47,440 Speaker 1: a creepy dude. Yes, and you're like, that guy's murdered people, 987 00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:48,440 Speaker 1: no question. 988 00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:50,759 Speaker 3: This is how I think about that when I'm at 989 00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:53,760 Speaker 3: I think about that when I'm at Disneyland. Unlike, somebody 990 00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:57,040 Speaker 3: here has killed somebody. There is someone here who has 991 00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:00,520 Speaker 3: gotten away with murder. And I may have brushed past him. Yeah, 992 00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:02,640 Speaker 3: I might have just been sending in line at the 993 00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:04,880 Speaker 3: turtle stand behind. Yeah, but yes, I hear your say. 994 00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:09,800 Speaker 1: This is how I felt basically about Arthur Lee Allen 995 00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:12,280 Speaker 1: as played by John Carroll Lynch, which, by the way, 996 00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:17,080 Speaker 1: Sir John Carroll Lynch, Sir, I'm sure you're an incredibly 997 00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:21,360 Speaker 1: nice man, a wonderful actor, but you played the fuck 998 00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:24,680 Speaker 1: out of this role to the degree which I cannot 999 00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:29,960 Speaker 1: see you as a normal character at all. 1000 00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:32,520 Speaker 3: He has a there's a scene at near the end 1001 00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:35,320 Speaker 3: of the movie where he has a look that really 1002 00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:38,279 Speaker 3: he like, I was like, this is acting because he 1003 00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:41,759 Speaker 3: is sending me messages just with like a little look 1004 00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:46,120 Speaker 3: in his face that is frightening me. Yeah, like unbelievable. 1005 00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:47,680 Speaker 3: He's so good in this. 1006 00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:50,479 Speaker 1: This is the thing about the movie that I think 1007 00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:53,880 Speaker 1: is really interesting is that Hammer's home the idea of 1008 00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:56,960 Speaker 1: these people that have all of these things that they 1009 00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:03,280 Speaker 1: think are pointing to who they want to be the person. 1010 00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:06,000 Speaker 1: Like they're like, we have this, this, this, this and 1011 00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:10,880 Speaker 1: this in my life everyday life. I would you know, 1012 00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:14,600 Speaker 1: And I'm and I'm just saying with zero stakes, like 1013 00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:17,839 Speaker 1: if you told me, oh, my friend is dating this 1014 00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:20,520 Speaker 1: guy who did this, this, this, this, this is red flags, 1015 00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:22,080 Speaker 1: I'd be like, all right, dump him, right. I mean, 1016 00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:25,480 Speaker 1: if I'm using all of this circumstantial evidence quote unquote 1017 00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:29,440 Speaker 1: to like tell my friend that her boyfriend sucks or something, 1018 00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:33,839 Speaker 1: you know, But to the degree which happens in this film, 1019 00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:36,480 Speaker 1: which is basically police officers who are sort of doing 1020 00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:39,320 Speaker 1: that thing where they're like, but we have him, here's 1021 00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:41,600 Speaker 1: what we have. And then somebody having to be like, 1022 00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:43,399 Speaker 1: actually that means nothing. 1023 00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:47,000 Speaker 3: Like it's not don't prove Yeah. Yeah. And then you 1024 00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:47,520 Speaker 3: couple that. 1025 00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:51,800 Speaker 1: With someone who's just a fucking creep, which that gets 1026 00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:55,880 Speaker 1: fleshed out a lot when they go and visit his 1027 00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:59,560 Speaker 1: fucking trailer, which there was a c there was a 1028 00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:02,719 Speaker 1: brief shot in that movie that shook me to the 1029 00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:05,120 Speaker 1: core which we might talk about but. 1030 00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:08,239 Speaker 3: Wait, say it now where they go and they go 1031 00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:11,759 Speaker 3: and look in his trailer and it's full of squirrels. 1032 00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:14,080 Speaker 1: Full of squirrels, and like Anthony Edwards looks down by 1033 00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:18,920 Speaker 1: the bed and sees this fucking dildo with like what 1034 00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:24,240 Speaker 1: crisco or something on the floor, which I never noticed 1035 00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:26,760 Speaker 1: before until I saw it this time that I was 1036 00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:33,200 Speaker 1: shook as fuck seeing that I could not handle it. 1037 00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:33,800 Speaker 1: I could not. 1038 00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:35,200 Speaker 3: Handle it, Oh my god. 1039 00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:35,640 Speaker 5: Ah. 1040 00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:38,040 Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, this is the thing is that 1041 00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:43,440 Speaker 1: it's like, okay, like this is you know, in the aggregate, 1042 00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:46,560 Speaker 1: this is the creepiest man to ever live. But is 1043 00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:50,439 Speaker 1: he the Zodiac killer. Unfortunately, nobody can actually prove any 1044 00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:53,040 Speaker 1: of it, which is why the case is still unsolved. 1045 00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:55,280 Speaker 1: And it's just fascinating to me because that's the thing 1046 00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:58,040 Speaker 1: about what David Fincher does in the movie that makes 1047 00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:00,400 Speaker 1: the movie so appealing to me is that he's like 1048 00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:01,880 Speaker 1: working it out in real time. 1049 00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:05,600 Speaker 3: You know, Like there's the absolutely the part where the 1050 00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:09,160 Speaker 3: Mark Ruffalo character is told by Jermott mulroney that it's 1051 00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:12,760 Speaker 3: not him, and he just like takes his jacket and 1052 00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:16,200 Speaker 3: just walks out of the office like he's just I 1053 00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:17,360 Speaker 3: can't believe it. You know. 1054 00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:20,640 Speaker 1: There goes everything that I thought, my work, my life, 1055 00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:21,360 Speaker 1: you know this. 1056 00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:23,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, he says that thing where he's like, I don't 1057 00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:25,520 Speaker 3: know if I wanted it to be him because I 1058 00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:27,880 Speaker 3: thought it was him, or if I just want this 1059 00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:28,560 Speaker 3: to be over. 1060 00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:32,400 Speaker 1: Yes, And I just I felt the frustration of that 1061 00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:36,680 Speaker 1: because it's like again, it's it's just probably an unbelievable 1062 00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:39,439 Speaker 1: feeling to just feel like it's not it isn't what 1063 00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:42,480 Speaker 1: you thought, yeah, despite all of your hard work. 1064 00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:45,080 Speaker 3: Or you're like, this is definitely him, I just can't 1065 00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:47,120 Speaker 3: prove it. Yeah, Like that's what the thing is. It's 1066 00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:50,600 Speaker 3: like I it is him, you know, but you can't 1067 00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:51,360 Speaker 3: prove it really. 1068 00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:54,560 Speaker 1: Oh, I wanted to tell you about the animal crackers thing. 1069 00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:59,320 Speaker 1: This is a detective Toski thing, which it's kind of 1070 00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:03,120 Speaker 1: a runner in the I don't really think it lands 1071 00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:04,480 Speaker 1: one hundred percent, to be honest. 1072 00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:07,320 Speaker 3: I think it's really corny and I think it doesn't work. 1073 00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:10,520 Speaker 3: It's kind of like this is his little quark. 1074 00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:13,520 Speaker 1: And it's like, plus, I don't like plain animal crackers 1075 00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:14,960 Speaker 1: are like iceed animal crackers. 1076 00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:16,320 Speaker 3: I like them both. 1077 00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:21,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, good for you, but yeah, it's it kind of 1078 00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:23,640 Speaker 1: wears thin or all over the time. But I do 1079 00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:27,720 Speaker 1: like the Mark Ruffalo is so great in this film. 1080 00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:30,000 Speaker 3: And and him and Anthony Edwards together are really good. 1081 00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:32,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think well, and I want to ask you 1082 00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:35,280 Speaker 1: this too, because we're talking about these detectives. We haven't 1083 00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:39,400 Speaker 1: even really talked about the Jake Gillenhall character, which we will. 1084 00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:41,080 Speaker 1: The thing that I think is interesting I like to 1085 00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:44,520 Speaker 1: call this movie it's basically This Zodiac is essentially the 1086 00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:47,840 Speaker 1: heat of serial killer movies, if you think about it, 1087 00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:51,600 Speaker 1: because not only is an ensemble cast of cool bros, 1088 00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:56,760 Speaker 1: but they're all like completely obsessed with this crime to 1089 00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:01,800 Speaker 1: the dismay of their families. And it's like you got 1090 01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:06,200 Speaker 1: multiple wives in this film that are like, you're too obsessed, 1091 01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:10,240 Speaker 1: get out of the game. Ended right, in the same 1092 01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:12,840 Speaker 1: way that Heat is like all of those all of 1093 01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:16,440 Speaker 1: those girlfriends and wives are trying to pull them out 1094 01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:16,960 Speaker 1: of the game. 1095 01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:19,560 Speaker 3: But it's like they're too obsessed. 1096 01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:24,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, And in this film, I understand why they're obsessed. 1097 01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:27,680 Speaker 1: Like it like that is communicated to me perfectly where 1098 01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:29,800 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I couldn't give this up either if 1099 01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:30,080 Speaker 1: I was. 1100 01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:34,320 Speaker 3: Then Yeah, it is interesting because I feel like Heat 1101 01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:38,400 Speaker 3: it's kind of adrenaline thing. It's a high that they 1102 01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:42,560 Speaker 3: are they're addicted to, where this it does feel like 1103 01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:47,760 Speaker 3: more for a purpose or something like, and it's like 1104 01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:50,520 Speaker 3: so much more infuriated. Yeah, It's like it's not they're 1105 01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:53,440 Speaker 3: not doing it for pleasant reason. It's not like they're 1106 01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:54,280 Speaker 3: getting joy. 1107 01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:58,400 Speaker 1: It's a quest and I would be obsessed with the quest. 1108 01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:03,840 Speaker 1: I couldn't still to be in that whatever, that factory 1109 01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:08,080 Speaker 1: that Arthur Lee Allen is working in when they go 1110 01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:12,040 Speaker 1: and visit him and interrogate him. Couldn't stand to sit 1111 01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:14,640 Speaker 1: there feeling like I was like, I know this guy 1112 01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:17,280 Speaker 1: did it and he's just smug as fuck, Like he's 1113 01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:20,680 Speaker 1: like he has this line right before he like goes 1114 01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:23,360 Speaker 1: back to work where he's basically like, I long for 1115 01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:29,200 Speaker 1: the day where cops are no longer considered pigs or something. Yeah, 1116 01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:34,000 Speaker 1: And it just made me nostalgic for when we called 1117 01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:35,040 Speaker 1: cops pigs. 1118 01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:37,760 Speaker 3: Let's bring it back. I feel like we should there. 1119 01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:39,960 Speaker 3: I love I. 1120 01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:42,760 Speaker 1: Grew up in the generation by the way, which I 1121 01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:47,120 Speaker 1: feel like was completely informed by skateboarding, which is we 1122 01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:50,240 Speaker 1: cops were pigs and then they also were obsessed with donuts. 1123 01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:54,880 Speaker 1: That was like the two jokes. Yeah, that existed when 1124 01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:56,920 Speaker 1: I was a teenager about cops, and I was like, 1125 01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:57,760 Speaker 1: we should bring. 1126 01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:01,040 Speaker 3: That back, bring it back. I feel like they do 1127 01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:04,240 Speaker 3: that on Wayne's World. Yeah, they like see that cop 1128 01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:07,280 Speaker 3: in the donut job and they're like something seems like bacon. 1129 01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:10,960 Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. It's like, if you want to find all 1130 01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:13,760 Speaker 1: the cops, they're hanging out in the donut shop. That's 1131 01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:17,600 Speaker 1: what the Bangles said, and walk like an Egyptian. And 1132 01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:19,760 Speaker 1: these are just jokes that I grew up with it. 1133 01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:22,560 Speaker 1: I feel like they don't exist anymore. Like now everybody 1134 01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:24,840 Speaker 1: says like a cab or whatever, which is fine, but like, 1135 01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:27,400 Speaker 1: go back to the donut joke. I love that joke. 1136 01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:30,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, let's go back to the donut joke. I like this, 1137 01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:34,000 Speaker 3: it seems more effective. Are uh is okay if I 1138 01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:36,960 Speaker 3: move on to the last section here that I have Yeah, okay. 1139 01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:40,720 Speaker 3: So four years pass, nothing happens. The case has essentially 1140 01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:43,680 Speaker 3: gone cold, but everyone is haunted by it. Like MILLI 1141 01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:47,000 Speaker 3: was saying, Paul Avery has become a full blown alcoholic. 1142 01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:51,160 Speaker 3: He lives on a boat. Robert gray Smith he has 1143 01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:53,640 Speaker 3: decided he's like going through a divorce. He's losing his 1144 01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:56,680 Speaker 3: wife is walking out on him. He's decided to take 1145 01:02:56,760 --> 01:02:59,720 Speaker 3: up this investigation by himself because he is a civilian. 1146 01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:02,200 Speaker 3: But he knows so much about the case. And part 1147 01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:04,120 Speaker 3: of the problem with the initial investigation is that there 1148 01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:07,040 Speaker 3: were all these jurisdictions that had to communicate to each 1149 01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:09,439 Speaker 3: other and were like withholding evidence from each other because 1150 01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:14,640 Speaker 3: the murders happened across all these counties. Basically, so gray Smith, 1151 01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:16,240 Speaker 3: as a civilian, is able to go to all these 1152 01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:21,919 Speaker 3: jurisdictions and collect evidence. There's a very frightening scene where 1153 01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:25,600 Speaker 3: he goes to this guy, Bob Vaughn's house, played by 1154 01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:29,760 Speaker 3: Charles Fleischer, and it turns out that his handwriting matches 1155 01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:33,320 Speaker 3: the zodiac or is a very close match, and he 1156 01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:35,360 Speaker 3: ends up in the basement of this guy. It's a 1157 01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:38,560 Speaker 3: very scary scene. 1158 01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:41,160 Speaker 1: It's a famous. 1159 01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:41,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's the scene people bring up with 1160 01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:46,760 Speaker 3: this movie a lot. But anyways, Jake Jillenhall is talking 1161 01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:50,560 Speaker 3: all these cops and he's they can't convict anybody. They 1162 01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:55,240 Speaker 3: just can't. But if you put together a book that 1163 01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:59,440 Speaker 3: takes all the evidence, you can point to somebody basically 1164 01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:04,920 Speaker 3: who did it. And all this circumstantial evidence points to 1165 01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:11,280 Speaker 3: Lee Allen, And towards the end of the movie, Jake 1166 01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:15,440 Speaker 3: Jillenhall goes to where Lee Allen is working and is 1167 01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:18,640 Speaker 3: like just staring at him. He just wants to look 1168 01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:21,120 Speaker 3: at him and see him, because he says something earlier 1169 01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:22,600 Speaker 3: in the movie where he's like, I just want to 1170 01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:24,560 Speaker 3: go look at the zodiac, look at the zodiac, and 1171 01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:26,920 Speaker 3: he says something like I think I'd know if he 1172 01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:28,800 Speaker 3: did it if I saw him, or something like that. 1173 01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:31,400 Speaker 3: Doesn't he say something like that earlier in the movie, 1174 01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:35,760 Speaker 3: And him and John Carroll Lynch sort of stare at 1175 01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:37,280 Speaker 3: each other, and this is the scene I was referring 1176 01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:42,640 Speaker 3: to and John Carroll Lynch looks fucking horrifying. He looks 1177 01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:45,720 Speaker 3: so scary, and I'm like, in that moment, I'm like, yeah, 1178 01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:49,400 Speaker 3: he did it. But then later also Mike Migeaux, who 1179 01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:52,160 Speaker 3: is the survivor of the very first killing, he picks 1180 01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:54,480 Speaker 3: Lee Allen out of a lineup and is like, that's 1181 01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:59,920 Speaker 3: the guy who shot me. So yeah, Zodiac. 1182 01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:03,240 Speaker 1: Ah man, Well yeah, this is when I think, like 1183 01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:07,640 Speaker 1: the movie really starts to focus on Robert gray Smith 1184 01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:09,120 Speaker 1: as like the Jake Jillett Hall. 1185 01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:11,360 Speaker 3: He's not in the movie for a long period of time. 1186 01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:13,520 Speaker 3: In fact, when he came back, I was like, oh, Jake, 1187 01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:16,080 Speaker 3: I missed you. He was gone. He was like gone 1188 01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:16,800 Speaker 3: from the movie for all. 1189 01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:20,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, he was kind of peppered in with the other boys. 1190 01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:22,760 Speaker 1: But then you know, it starts to become really about 1191 01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:25,000 Speaker 1: him because he's the one that wrote the book that 1192 01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:27,640 Speaker 1: the movie's based off of. But also like he's kind 1193 01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:32,200 Speaker 1: of the one like everybody is exhausted by this fucking 1194 01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:34,600 Speaker 1: case that they're just like, I wash my hands of it. 1195 01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:38,600 Speaker 1: There's so much else happening in San Francisco. I don't 1196 01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:41,080 Speaker 1: give a fuck about the Zodiac anymore. He hasn't written 1197 01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:43,440 Speaker 1: us in like twenty years or whatever. It's like, you know, 1198 01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:46,160 Speaker 1: they're all over it. But like Robert gray Smith, the 1199 01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:48,840 Speaker 1: Jake Gillenhall character is basically like, come on, boys, we 1200 01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:52,040 Speaker 1: got we got stuff. I gotta go back to the library. 1201 01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:55,520 Speaker 1: There's all this evidence that we didn't think about. And 1202 01:05:56,360 --> 01:05:58,800 Speaker 1: at the same time, he decides to like form a 1203 01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:01,960 Speaker 1: relationship with a woman that he goes on a date with, 1204 01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:04,800 Speaker 1: who is played by Chloe seventy and like, I think 1205 01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:09,680 Speaker 1: she looked fantastic in this movie. She was so authentically seventies. 1206 01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:12,040 Speaker 1: In fact, I was like, you know what, they could 1207 01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:14,960 Speaker 1: actually be my parents if we think about it from 1208 01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:19,000 Speaker 1: like my parents, when did they get married in seventy 1209 01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:21,240 Speaker 1: one or something like that. Like I was like that, 1210 01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:23,360 Speaker 1: could they could be my mom and dad for all 1211 01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:23,640 Speaker 1: I know? 1212 01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:26,000 Speaker 3: And you does part of you wish they were? 1213 01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:28,160 Speaker 1: No, I like my mom and dad, but you know, 1214 01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:31,240 Speaker 1: in a movie, in a movie context, sure they're my 1215 01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:34,280 Speaker 1: mom and dad. But I wanted to ask you this 1216 01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:37,000 Speaker 1: because I always thought this was so funny. They go 1217 01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:40,000 Speaker 1: on on the first date and like he's so wrapped 1218 01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:43,800 Speaker 1: up in the zodiac that she's just like fuck, this 1219 01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:45,840 Speaker 1: is our entire first date. I guess I'm just. 1220 01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:49,000 Speaker 3: Gonna hang Yeah, well, you obsess over the zodiac and 1221 01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:51,640 Speaker 3: make phone calls and wait for a phone call from 1222 01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:52,960 Speaker 3: Robert done ju Yeah. 1223 01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:55,040 Speaker 1: Right, And I kept thinking to myself, I'd probably do 1224 01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:57,280 Speaker 1: that too. Actually, I would be like if it listen, 1225 01:06:57,320 --> 01:06:58,720 Speaker 1: if I was on a first date with a guy 1226 01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:00,880 Speaker 1: that's like, I'm hunting the Zodiac, I'd be like, sure, 1227 01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:04,440 Speaker 1: I'll go. I'll go anywhere with you, would you? 1228 01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:09,760 Speaker 3: Yeah? Oh? You know. If I met my wife Tricia, 1229 01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:11,920 Speaker 3: we went on a date and she's like, I'm hunting 1230 01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:15,200 Speaker 3: the Zodiac, I would have been like, I'm I'm there 1231 01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:17,640 Speaker 3: with you. What do you need? Get coffee? 1232 01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:20,720 Speaker 1: I'm saying, like, who was? Who in the fuck is 1233 01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:23,920 Speaker 1: gonna be like, god, red flag, I don't know about this. 1234 01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:29,600 Speaker 1: I'm going home. I'd be like where, let me help you, Like, 1235 01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:31,520 Speaker 1: let's ride out, Like. 1236 01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:33,440 Speaker 3: I'm not do you need animal crackers? 1237 01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:37,360 Speaker 1: I could go get something, you know, I'm like in 1238 01:07:37,560 --> 01:07:39,800 Speaker 1: it to win it. I was like, what a great 1239 01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:40,600 Speaker 1: first date story. 1240 01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:43,880 Speaker 3: By the way, I you know, it's interesting watching Jake 1241 01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:50,840 Speaker 3: Jollenholl's character. He's obsessed, obsessed with finding the zodiac. I 1242 01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:54,640 Speaker 3: don't have that drive I could. This couldn't be me. 1243 01:07:56,840 --> 01:08:00,960 Speaker 1: It could definitely be me. I would fall down this 1244 01:08:01,040 --> 01:08:03,800 Speaker 1: rabbit hole. You think that looking up gray Goo on 1245 01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:09,840 Speaker 1: Wikipedia was bad? I would be so fucking obsessed. I mean, 1246 01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:12,320 Speaker 1: they're like, I'm surprised that I'm not just like an 1247 01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:13,680 Speaker 1: amateur sleuth on Reddit. 1248 01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:16,800 Speaker 3: To be honest, yeah, I'm surprised your walls don't have 1249 01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:19,480 Speaker 3: a bunch of red yarn connecting a bunch of photographs. 1250 01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:21,759 Speaker 1: I think I have too many hobbies. If I could 1251 01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:24,679 Speaker 1: whittle it down, though, If I could, you know, basically 1252 01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:28,120 Speaker 1: shut off a lot of my extracurriculars and just focus 1253 01:08:28,200 --> 01:08:31,160 Speaker 1: on like one thing like that, I'd be fucking great 1254 01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:35,000 Speaker 1: at it. Because I gotta tell you, I love busting 1255 01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:37,719 Speaker 1: people like I have done. 1256 01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:40,000 Speaker 3: Bust. It makes you feel good, bust it makes me. 1257 01:08:40,040 --> 01:08:44,240 Speaker 1: Feel not just good, but great. You have no idea 1258 01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:46,120 Speaker 1: how many times in my life where I have like 1259 01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:49,680 Speaker 1: figured out that like a coworker or somebody is like 1260 01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:53,120 Speaker 1: like a real slimeball shthead, or like you know, somebody's 1261 01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:56,680 Speaker 1: boyfriend was like cheating, or like I'm the one that 1262 01:08:56,800 --> 01:08:59,479 Speaker 1: loves evidence. I'm like, yo, bring it to me, I'll 1263 01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:01,800 Speaker 1: put it on my murder board, like I'll tie the 1264 01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:04,880 Speaker 1: strings together. I get a fucking thrill out of it. 1265 01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:08,160 Speaker 1: So I'm sitting here watching this movie going, man, I 1266 01:09:08,320 --> 01:09:11,360 Speaker 1: would be in the hole with. 1267 01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:12,880 Speaker 3: I mean, I just really would. 1268 01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:17,519 Speaker 1: One thing that I think we got to talk about, 1269 01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:22,160 Speaker 1: and this is just because this character is extremely triggering. 1270 01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:29,360 Speaker 1: Is that Bob von Guy movie lover, cinema shithead. 1271 01:09:29,400 --> 01:09:31,280 Speaker 3: Bob you might listen to our podcast. 1272 01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:38,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, he is the cinema shithead of Zodiac works at 1273 01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:40,800 Speaker 1: a silent movie I mean, come on. 1274 01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:42,599 Speaker 4: I know, like. 1275 01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:44,519 Speaker 3: Movie theater. 1276 01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:48,240 Speaker 1: Yes, I know, like ten guys like Bob Lan. I 1277 01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:51,240 Speaker 1: mean you don't know one dude from all your years 1278 01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:52,080 Speaker 1: living in La. 1279 01:09:52,040 --> 01:09:55,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, oh absolutely, come on, absolutely. 1280 01:09:54,800 --> 01:10:01,040 Speaker 1: And specifically silent film dudes. Oh my god, that's so funny, 1281 01:10:01,320 --> 01:10:06,679 Speaker 1: very interesting. I knew that guy was somehow involved from 1282 01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:09,439 Speaker 1: the moment he was like, Hey, you want to come 1283 01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:13,080 Speaker 1: back to my house. I'm like, Nope, I wouldn't. What 1284 01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:15,760 Speaker 1: do you doing, Robert, that's crazy. Don't go to this 1285 01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:16,320 Speaker 1: guy's house. 1286 01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:18,839 Speaker 3: He is a going down. Let's go down to the basement. 1287 01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:21,240 Speaker 1: He's a silent film collector. What are you kid me? 1288 01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:25,000 Speaker 1: He's probably got mummies down there. Yeah, And that is 1289 01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:28,360 Speaker 1: why that part of the movie is so creepy, is 1290 01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:33,240 Speaker 1: what do he the fucking terrifying light bulb that goes off? 1291 01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:36,200 Speaker 1: And Jake Joenhall's characters her He's like, oh, no, I 1292 01:10:36,240 --> 01:10:39,720 Speaker 1: write those posters after he had just spent like the 1293 01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:42,800 Speaker 1: last week or so proving that the handwriting was the 1294 01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:44,479 Speaker 1: zodiacs he had writing, and he's like, no, it's the 1295 01:10:44,479 --> 01:10:48,080 Speaker 1: guy that I'm sitting in this creepy house. Yeah, with 1296 01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:50,599 Speaker 1: he's his handwriting. Oh fuck. 1297 01:10:50,680 --> 01:10:53,439 Speaker 3: It's interesting because he's like he finds out it's like, oh, 1298 01:10:53,479 --> 01:10:56,960 Speaker 3: the guy I think could potentially be the Zodiac. I 1299 01:10:57,000 --> 01:10:59,439 Speaker 3: am sitting across the table from him in his kitchen, 1300 01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:03,160 Speaker 3: so I've made this discovery. And then Bob Vaughn's like, 1301 01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:06,960 Speaker 3: let's go to the basement to check my records, and 1302 01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:11,040 Speaker 3: Jake Jillenhall's like okay. And I think that was really 1303 01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:14,240 Speaker 3: interesting because I'm like, do you want to get killed 1304 01:11:14,280 --> 01:11:17,360 Speaker 3: by the Zodiac? Like part of me felt like Jake 1305 01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:21,680 Speaker 3: Jillenhall's character was like, I want I want to go 1306 01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:24,639 Speaker 3: to the end to see where this goes, you. 1307 01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:27,320 Speaker 1: Know, I want to be a victim as basically, yeah, 1308 01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:31,800 Speaker 1: I have to say that this is a type of situation. 1309 01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:35,120 Speaker 1: This is, and this is at multiple points in the 1310 01:11:35,160 --> 01:11:39,040 Speaker 1: film where as a single person of a certain age, 1311 01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:43,599 Speaker 1: you are quivering in your boots that you're not somebody 1312 01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:43,920 Speaker 1: like this. 1313 01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:47,080 Speaker 3: Do you know what I'm saying, That you're not Bob 1314 01:11:47,160 --> 01:11:48,160 Speaker 3: Vaughn or the. 1315 01:11:48,240 --> 01:11:54,200 Speaker 1: Zodiac or some fucking freak that is tangentially related to 1316 01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:57,519 Speaker 1: a serial killer, because you're like, these are just middle 1317 01:11:57,520 --> 01:12:02,240 Speaker 1: aged people who live alone, who have passions like old movies, 1318 01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:06,920 Speaker 1: and you're like, oh no, and now they're creepy as 1319 01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:11,559 Speaker 1: fuck and being investigated because they know people who are 1320 01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:13,920 Speaker 1: creepy as fuck, which do you know how the creeps 1321 01:12:13,960 --> 01:12:18,240 Speaker 1: I know come on Like it's just scary. It's scary 1322 01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:22,679 Speaker 1: when you see a lifestyle that is sort of similar 1323 01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:26,799 Speaker 1: to yours on a screen. It can in a crime 1324 01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:28,240 Speaker 1: film and you're like, oh my god. 1325 01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:33,280 Speaker 3: In connection to a brutal serial killer. So you're saying 1326 01:12:33,280 --> 01:12:35,960 Speaker 3: you're worried that the FBI is gonna come knocking on 1327 01:12:36,040 --> 01:12:38,640 Speaker 3: your door, and it's like, we have some questions about 1328 01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:43,280 Speaker 3: this guy you that's in your circle. I mean sort of. 1329 01:12:43,360 --> 01:12:46,920 Speaker 1: It's more that somebody like Jake Jillenhall would come to 1330 01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:50,719 Speaker 1: my house and think I was a creep because they're like, oh, 1331 01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:54,400 Speaker 1: do you realize how many fucking DVDs this woman has? 1332 01:12:54,439 --> 01:12:58,400 Speaker 3: Like, ugh, there's an a lend a lawn life size 1333 01:12:58,400 --> 01:13:03,439 Speaker 3: cutout in her home. I'm scared, That's what I'm saying. 1334 01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:06,320 Speaker 1: It's like people are getting the rock impression of me, 1335 01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:09,800 Speaker 1: that I'm this like fucked up person, and I'm like abnormal. 1336 01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:14,839 Speaker 1: I promise. I just collect weird things sometimes, like hats 1337 01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:16,920 Speaker 1: and rock t shirts and. 1338 01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:19,240 Speaker 3: Oh my god, wow, that's a that's a read of 1339 01:13:19,320 --> 01:13:21,519 Speaker 3: this movie. I wasn't prepared to hear this. 1340 01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:23,759 Speaker 1: And this is why our podcasts exists. 1341 01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:28,600 Speaker 3: Okay, oh man? Any other final thoughts on The Zodiac Well. 1342 01:13:28,360 --> 01:13:31,759 Speaker 1: I would like to ask you who do you think 1343 01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:33,080 Speaker 1: the Zodiac Killer is. 1344 01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:35,920 Speaker 3: I think that one of the things I like about 1345 01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:38,679 Speaker 3: this movie is that, yes, it's open ended, like they 1346 01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:42,720 Speaker 3: throughout the movie there are several actors playing the Zodiac Killer, sure, 1347 01:13:43,680 --> 01:13:45,439 Speaker 3: and you never see their face, but it's like different 1348 01:13:45,479 --> 01:13:48,400 Speaker 3: voices and stuff, so you're not sure. But this movie 1349 01:13:48,439 --> 01:13:51,880 Speaker 3: also is basically like it's Lee l Like, I mean, 1350 01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:56,639 Speaker 3: it's pretty pointed towards this one guy. Yeah, which I 1351 01:13:56,640 --> 01:13:59,280 Speaker 3: I'm glad they took that point of view, that it's 1352 01:13:59,320 --> 01:14:02,920 Speaker 3: like it does like evidence would point to this man. 1353 01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:06,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, I will say that I believe that that's true too. 1354 01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:09,519 Speaker 1: I mean, like I said, without having done hard research 1355 01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:13,400 Speaker 1: on the case and really just has seen David Fincher Zodiac, 1356 01:14:13,479 --> 01:14:16,960 Speaker 1: I will say all signs points to Lee Allen. I 1357 01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:20,880 Speaker 1: hate that he has taken the Most Dangerous Game and 1358 01:14:21,160 --> 01:14:24,080 Speaker 1: has sullied it. The movie by the way, because have 1359 01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:24,799 Speaker 1: you ever seen. 1360 01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:26,880 Speaker 3: The movie The Most Dangerous I haven't seen the movie with. 1361 01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:32,520 Speaker 1: My boyfriend Joel McCrae nineteen thirty two. Oh Ray, fantastic 1362 01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:34,000 Speaker 1: pre code. You gotta watch it. 1363 01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:35,320 Speaker 3: But it's all I'll check it out. 1364 01:14:35,400 --> 01:14:40,280 Speaker 1: It's now become the like shorthand for murderers and such. 1365 01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:43,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I uh read the book in high 1366 01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:45,519 Speaker 3: school with the story it's based on. 1367 01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:48,559 Speaker 1: But well do I I don't like that there's a 1368 01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:54,040 Speaker 1: lot of old movie creeps that are being implicated in 1369 01:14:54,120 --> 01:14:58,599 Speaker 1: this fandango. But I do think that Lee Allen did it. 1370 01:14:58,720 --> 01:14:59,920 Speaker 1: Probably who knows? 1371 01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:03,200 Speaker 3: It does seem like it, but yeah, who knows, who knows? 1372 01:15:04,160 --> 01:15:06,479 Speaker 3: But man, what a film. Really enjoyed it. 1373 01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:08,559 Speaker 1: I'm glad you like it now. I'm glad you like 1374 01:15:08,600 --> 01:15:11,639 Speaker 1: it now because I love it. I think y'all should 1375 01:15:11,640 --> 01:15:12,559 Speaker 1: all watch it. It's great. 1376 01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:16,080 Speaker 3: It's a joy to take a movie from my dislike 1377 01:15:16,240 --> 01:15:18,679 Speaker 3: Calum and put it in my love call telling you 1378 01:15:18,680 --> 01:15:30,439 Speaker 3: you know, so, it's a treat for me. All Right, 1379 01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:36,520 Speaker 3: we're back and it's time for some gripes, scropes and grits. Grabs, 1380 01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:43,200 Speaker 3: groups and grits, grabs, groups and grits. I got something 1381 01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:52,120 Speaker 3: that's making me obsave, all right, So we got a 1382 01:15:52,120 --> 01:15:55,960 Speaker 3: few here, Hi, Millian Casey. I recently listened to your 1383 01:15:55,960 --> 01:15:59,280 Speaker 3: episode about eight twenty four films at mid and Midsommer. 1384 01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:02,280 Speaker 3: The conversation at the end regarding various films that have 1385 01:16:02,360 --> 01:16:04,960 Speaker 3: won awards but haven't left a lasting mark on the 1386 01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:10,360 Speaker 3: cultural zeitgeist made me wonder about the inverse, which films 1387 01:16:10,360 --> 01:16:13,479 Speaker 3: from recent years or any number of years ago, did 1388 01:16:13,479 --> 01:16:18,160 Speaker 3: not receive any awards slash critical acclaim upon their release, 1389 01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:22,320 Speaker 3: but later became significant in our culture and continue to 1390 01:16:22,439 --> 01:16:26,519 Speaker 3: influence the film industry today. Thanks for reading my question, 1391 01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:29,400 Speaker 3: and I'm curious to hear your thoughts. Thanks again, Elena 1392 01:16:29,400 --> 01:16:34,519 Speaker 3: from Boston. Huh Zodiac. 1393 01:16:35,960 --> 01:16:41,040 Speaker 2: I feel like we just talked about one. 1394 01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:46,760 Speaker 1: I mean there's so many. I mean, like I'm a 1395 01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:50,080 Speaker 1: cult movie person. Yeah, you know, think about like how 1396 01:16:50,120 --> 01:16:55,800 Speaker 1: many shitty movies quote unquote that have now become classics. 1397 01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:58,439 Speaker 1: I mean it's like Rocky Horror Picture Show or anything. 1398 01:16:58,720 --> 01:17:02,000 Speaker 1: Just name it, Like I mean John Waters is you know, 1399 01:17:02,320 --> 01:17:05,680 Speaker 1: like has this that is in the museum world and 1400 01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:10,200 Speaker 1: you know is on a Criterion collection. And I mean 1401 01:17:10,240 --> 01:17:16,120 Speaker 1: it's like everybody got their just desserts in that way. 1402 01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:16,720 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. 1403 01:17:17,200 --> 01:17:20,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. I'm trying to think of any that are like 1404 01:17:20,479 --> 01:17:23,200 Speaker 3: came out in like recent years that would that I 1405 01:17:23,240 --> 01:17:28,880 Speaker 3: think will be big or important that just nobody or 1406 01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:30,439 Speaker 3: got very little fan fair. 1407 01:17:31,040 --> 01:17:31,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. 1408 01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:33,479 Speaker 3: I mean it's I don't know. 1409 01:17:33,479 --> 01:17:36,720 Speaker 1: I mean I feel like there are movies that have 1410 01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:40,400 Speaker 1: influenced the kind of visual culture that we have now 1411 01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:46,000 Speaker 1: that are like, you know, I don't know, like stylistically, 1412 01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:50,120 Speaker 1: like you think about stuff like Natural Born Killers or like, 1413 01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:54,000 Speaker 1: you know, nineties movies that have like lasted to where 1414 01:17:54,040 --> 01:17:58,080 Speaker 1: the visual style of them has continued, like Terror. I 1415 01:17:58,120 --> 01:18:02,400 Speaker 1: would say Tarantino movies are that way. You know, there's 1416 01:18:02,439 --> 01:18:04,640 Speaker 1: a lot of that kind of stuff that has persisted 1417 01:18:04,720 --> 01:18:07,559 Speaker 1: in even in social media and commercials and that kind 1418 01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:08,000 Speaker 1: of stuff. 1419 01:18:08,040 --> 01:18:10,840 Speaker 3: There's I mean, there's so many movies that just get 1420 01:18:10,920 --> 01:18:13,280 Speaker 3: missed because they'd come out at the wrong time or 1421 01:18:13,479 --> 01:18:17,120 Speaker 3: people aren't ready for them, and I don't know, it's 1422 01:18:17,160 --> 01:18:19,639 Speaker 3: this is hard, this is this is like a research paper. 1423 01:18:20,439 --> 01:18:22,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think I think that cult movies 1424 01:18:22,360 --> 01:18:24,000 Speaker 1: are kind of ripe for that kind of stuff because 1425 01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:29,640 Speaker 1: a lot of times they are purposely or you know, 1426 01:18:30,080 --> 01:18:32,880 Speaker 1: kind of destined to be obscure because they're quote unquote 1427 01:18:32,920 --> 01:18:37,600 Speaker 1: badly made, low budget, you know, made by maniacs. But 1428 01:18:37,720 --> 01:18:44,360 Speaker 1: then at some point the movie persists and it kind 1429 01:18:44,360 --> 01:18:47,160 Speaker 1: of jumps from the kind of cult audience to like 1430 01:18:47,240 --> 01:18:48,960 Speaker 1: mainstream culture, right. 1431 01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:49,960 Speaker 3: Yeah. 1432 01:18:50,160 --> 01:18:53,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think about like even stuff like 1433 01:18:53,760 --> 01:18:57,080 Speaker 1: Penelopece Versus to Cloud of Western civilization documentaries and that 1434 01:18:57,160 --> 01:19:00,639 Speaker 1: kind of stuff where it's like, you know, you see 1435 01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:03,719 Speaker 1: elements of those films in a lot of stuff now. 1436 01:19:04,040 --> 01:19:08,080 Speaker 3: So, yeah, Jennifer's Body another movie we've covered on the show. 1437 01:19:08,160 --> 01:19:11,439 Speaker 3: I feel like was critically panned at the time, and 1438 01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:14,360 Speaker 3: it's become a huge cult classic, Like people really love 1439 01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:19,439 Speaker 3: that movie now. So that's another one. But yeah, thank 1440 01:19:19,439 --> 01:19:22,400 Speaker 3: you Elena for the question. All right, Millie, I have 1441 01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:24,760 Speaker 3: a voicemailing going to play here for you. 1442 01:19:25,439 --> 01:19:28,479 Speaker 5: Dear Milly and Casey, thank you so so much for 1443 01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:32,200 Speaker 5: your film advice. I need your help and your expert 1444 01:19:32,280 --> 01:19:40,880 Speaker 5: advice and navigation as I venture into American Western movies. Obviously, 1445 01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:46,280 Speaker 5: everything and beyond American cinema I would take. But let's 1446 01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:51,200 Speaker 5: just say that my inn here is Tombstone and Val 1447 01:19:51,320 --> 01:19:57,200 Speaker 5: Kilmer acting his gorgeous, gorgeous RP King, but Val Kilmer 1448 01:19:57,240 --> 01:19:58,960 Speaker 5: acting his gorgeous gorgeous. 1449 01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:00,479 Speaker 3: Ass off as Doc Holiday. 1450 01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:04,840 Speaker 5: See. Now, if people told me that Western movies could 1451 01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:12,759 Speaker 5: be full of complex, bizarre worlds and strange character work, 1452 01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:15,280 Speaker 5: you know what, I maybe would have tapped in a 1453 01:20:15,280 --> 01:20:18,759 Speaker 5: lot sooner. Okay, but this is why I need your guidance. 1454 01:20:18,840 --> 01:20:19,240 Speaker 3: Please. 1455 01:20:19,439 --> 01:20:21,120 Speaker 5: Thank you so very much. 1456 01:20:22,160 --> 01:20:22,800 Speaker 3: Casey. 1457 01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:28,880 Speaker 5: You're doing an insanely good job. I absolutely love the 1458 01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:32,599 Speaker 5: dialogue between you two. Millie. Thank you so so much. 1459 01:20:33,400 --> 01:20:38,920 Speaker 5: Your laugh makes me laugh. And anyway, long story, love 1460 01:20:38,960 --> 01:20:40,439 Speaker 5: you guys. Thank you so much. 1461 01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:43,720 Speaker 3: Thank you Christina for the voicemail, Millie, do you have 1462 01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:47,960 Speaker 3: any Western suggestions that Christina can start off with? 1463 01:20:48,200 --> 01:20:52,240 Speaker 1: Do you want my top ten top five shit I'm 1464 01:20:52,280 --> 01:20:54,400 Speaker 1: not gonna rank them. I'm not gonna rank them. I'm 1465 01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:59,519 Speaker 1: just gonna I'm gonna start listing them out. I love 1466 01:20:59,560 --> 01:21:04,640 Speaker 1: western and I swear I started liking them after I 1467 01:21:04,640 --> 01:21:09,120 Speaker 1: started working at TCM, because I actually began to understand 1468 01:21:09,160 --> 01:21:11,479 Speaker 1: them more. When I was younger, I thought they were 1469 01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:17,600 Speaker 1: all boring and really American, and you know, there's a 1470 01:21:17,600 --> 01:21:24,720 Speaker 1: lot of problematic elements to Westerns. American Westerns for sure, absolutely, 1471 01:21:25,880 --> 01:21:28,760 Speaker 1: But I again, we were talking about the tempo of 1472 01:21:28,840 --> 01:21:33,000 Speaker 1: films and how your patience for them changes over the years. 1473 01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:35,519 Speaker 1: I think Westerns became appealing to me as I got older, 1474 01:21:35,800 --> 01:21:38,400 Speaker 1: because I just like the way that they're rolled out. 1475 01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:43,320 Speaker 1: The acting is, you know a lot of times very understated. 1476 01:21:44,040 --> 01:21:47,560 Speaker 1: It's like these kind of morality tales, a lot of 1477 01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:52,360 Speaker 1: great character actors and just sort of like, I don't know, 1478 01:21:52,479 --> 01:21:55,800 Speaker 1: the scenery of a Western, the desert. I mean, when 1479 01:21:55,800 --> 01:21:58,400 Speaker 1: I lived in California, I was like, this is fantastic, 1480 01:21:59,040 --> 01:22:04,439 Speaker 1: Like I love you know, the john Ford shot in 1481 01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:06,799 Speaker 1: National Parks vibes and that kind of stuff. 1482 01:22:07,200 --> 01:22:09,479 Speaker 3: So let me throw some out please. 1483 01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:13,519 Speaker 1: I would say, watch red River from nineteen forty eight 1484 01:22:13,720 --> 01:22:18,320 Speaker 1: starring Montgomery Cliff and John Wayne. Great film about kind 1485 01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:24,520 Speaker 1: of like old school versus new school cowboys, and Montgomery 1486 01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:28,040 Speaker 1: Cliff is fantastic in it and probably one of his 1487 01:22:28,160 --> 01:22:31,360 Speaker 1: best roles ever. I would be remiss if I didn't 1488 01:22:31,400 --> 01:22:34,439 Speaker 1: mention Johnny Guitar from nineteen fifty four, probably like one 1489 01:22:34,520 --> 01:22:42,600 Speaker 1: of the best feminist masterpieces of film, Nicholas Ray Joan Crawford. 1490 01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:47,519 Speaker 1: I'm gonna also go with if you've never seen stage 1491 01:22:47,560 --> 01:22:50,759 Speaker 1: Coach the originals like nineteen thirty nine with John Wayne 1492 01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:54,920 Speaker 1: and Claire Trevor. Stage Coach is fantastic. Like I mean, 1493 01:22:55,400 --> 01:22:57,599 Speaker 1: say what you want about John Wayne, and I promise 1494 01:22:57,680 --> 01:23:00,720 Speaker 1: I have a lot to say about him, but you know, 1495 01:23:01,120 --> 01:23:03,560 Speaker 1: some of these movies are that he's made over the 1496 01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:09,639 Speaker 1: years really are great and he happens to be in them, 1497 01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:13,639 Speaker 1: if you know what I mean. Uh more newish stuff. 1498 01:23:14,600 --> 01:23:19,400 Speaker 1: Mccab and Missus Miller Robert Altman nineteen seventy one really great, 1499 01:23:19,640 --> 01:23:23,559 Speaker 1: like such a vibe, like an amazing movie. I would say, 1500 01:23:24,080 --> 01:23:26,559 Speaker 1: if you should watch, you should watch McCay and Missus 1501 01:23:26,600 --> 01:23:28,519 Speaker 1: Miller and then watch like some Sam Peck and Paul 1502 01:23:28,640 --> 01:23:32,519 Speaker 1: movies like The Wild Bunch. Absolutely, you gotta watch the 1503 01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:37,800 Speaker 1: Treasure of the Siarah Madre nineteen forty eight, Humphrey Bogart, 1504 01:23:38,120 --> 01:23:42,920 Speaker 1: Tim Holt, Walter Houston. I mean this is important, Like 1505 01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:45,600 Speaker 1: everybody talks about the Treasure of Siera Madre being like 1506 01:23:45,640 --> 01:23:51,479 Speaker 1: a classic important Hollywood film. It totally is. It is, 1507 01:23:51,960 --> 01:23:55,559 Speaker 1: it stands the hype. You've gotta watch it. Another kind 1508 01:23:55,640 --> 01:23:59,960 Speaker 1: of like revisionists cea Western thing along the lines of mcay, 1509 01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:01,720 Speaker 1: but missus Miller and the Peck and Pall stuff is 1510 01:24:01,720 --> 01:24:04,080 Speaker 1: Butch Cassidy and so the dance Kid. You cannot go 1511 01:24:04,160 --> 01:24:13,080 Speaker 1: wrong with Redford Newman, Charm, Pizza Arm, what else? Who else? 1512 01:24:13,200 --> 01:24:18,400 Speaker 3: Oh? I think that? Yes, yes, of course, of course by. 1513 01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:24,040 Speaker 1: The High Country Randolph Scott and my aforementioned boyfriend Joel McCrae, 1514 01:24:24,360 --> 01:24:30,639 Speaker 1: a meditation on aging. It is fantastic. Honestly, could keep going. 1515 01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:33,720 Speaker 1: I mean I love Western so much. I mean, you 1516 01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:36,280 Speaker 1: got I didn't even mention like the Man from Laramie 1517 01:24:36,400 --> 01:24:42,840 Speaker 1: and Magnificent seven, and even like the freakin Sergio Leoni movies. 1518 01:24:42,880 --> 01:24:46,639 Speaker 3: I mean, there's so much, so much that's a that's 1519 01:24:46,680 --> 01:24:47,840 Speaker 3: a great place to start. 1520 01:24:48,200 --> 01:24:51,400 Speaker 1: I think I would watch Hood Hud nineteen sixty three 1521 01:24:51,400 --> 01:24:53,679 Speaker 1: of Paul Newman. Okay, promise I'm gonna shut up now. Okay, 1522 01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:55,320 Speaker 1: that's enough, right, that's a lot. 1523 01:24:56,160 --> 01:25:03,040 Speaker 3: That was more than enough. That was actually two men, Christine, 1524 01:25:03,080 --> 01:25:03,960 Speaker 3: I hope that was helpful. 1525 01:25:04,240 --> 01:25:05,200 Speaker 1: Me too, Me too. 1526 01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:08,400 Speaker 3: Okay, we have one more of this. One's quick. Hi 1527 01:25:08,520 --> 01:25:09,400 Speaker 3: Millie Casey. 1528 01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:15,680 Speaker 4: This is Sydney, this is Lauren, and we have a 1529 01:25:15,720 --> 01:25:20,160 Speaker 4: long standing film feud for you both, really an argument 1530 01:25:20,240 --> 01:25:22,800 Speaker 4: that's been going on for years, and we'd like you 1531 01:25:22,840 --> 01:25:24,920 Speaker 4: to be the deciding factor of why I'm right. 1532 01:25:25,439 --> 01:25:25,880 Speaker 1: I'm right. 1533 01:25:26,960 --> 01:25:32,040 Speaker 4: So Night More Before Christmas Tim Burton classic, uh huh, 1534 01:25:32,120 --> 01:25:37,120 Speaker 4: classic Halloween movie, classic Christmas movie. So we need your 1535 01:25:37,439 --> 01:25:40,839 Speaker 4: advice and your expertise and your input and your opinion. 1536 01:25:41,040 --> 01:25:45,360 Speaker 1: And it might not change our opinions, but it will, right. 1537 01:25:45,360 --> 01:25:49,400 Speaker 4: It will solidify the right answer for Night Before Christmas 1538 01:25:49,439 --> 01:25:54,880 Speaker 4: being a Halloween movie. So if you could answer this 1539 01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:58,240 Speaker 4: question for us, that would be great, really appreciated. 1540 01:25:58,360 --> 01:26:02,080 Speaker 1: We love it, Thank you, thank you, We love you. 1541 01:26:02,120 --> 01:26:05,120 Speaker 3: Guys. Okay, I don't know if you have an opinion 1542 01:26:05,160 --> 01:26:07,719 Speaker 3: on this. There's a well choreographed voicemail by the way, 1543 01:26:07,800 --> 01:26:08,599 Speaker 3: under a minute. 1544 01:26:09,120 --> 01:26:11,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like a duo. They're adorable. 1545 01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:15,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, that was very cute. I love that I have 1546 01:26:15,160 --> 01:26:17,160 Speaker 3: a definitive answer to this. Do you have any opinion 1547 01:26:17,160 --> 01:26:17,320 Speaker 3: on that? 1548 01:26:17,400 --> 01:26:19,400 Speaker 1: I want you to say you're definitive answer. 1549 01:26:20,520 --> 01:26:26,840 Speaker 3: It's a Halloween movie. It's spooky, it takes place in 1550 01:26:26,920 --> 01:26:31,200 Speaker 3: Halloween Town predominantly. It is the same plot as how 1551 01:26:31,200 --> 01:26:34,360 Speaker 3: the Grin Stole Christmas kind of, but it's it's you know, 1552 01:26:34,439 --> 01:26:37,320 Speaker 3: Halloween is always sort of in conversation with Christmas because 1553 01:26:37,320 --> 01:26:39,559 Speaker 3: it's kind of these two huge holidays that are like 1554 01:26:39,880 --> 01:26:43,519 Speaker 3: beating up on Thanksgiving, And uh, I don't know, it's 1555 01:26:43,600 --> 01:26:47,240 Speaker 3: it's a spooky movie. It's one hundred percent a Halloween movie. 1556 01:26:47,280 --> 01:26:50,800 Speaker 3: That is my final decision on that. What do you think, MILLI, Well, 1557 01:26:50,800 --> 01:26:55,600 Speaker 3: like Santa Claus is in it, right, yeah, so it 1558 01:26:55,640 --> 01:26:58,920 Speaker 3: can't be a Christmas movie. Would you watch this on Christmas? Sure? 1559 01:26:59,040 --> 01:27:00,559 Speaker 3: Why the fuck not? I mean, I don't know. 1560 01:27:00,880 --> 01:27:03,960 Speaker 1: Like again, it goes back to the like real low 1561 01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:07,280 Speaker 1: stakes of a Christmas movie. If we can call Zodiac 1562 01:27:07,400 --> 01:27:09,479 Speaker 1: Christmas movie, why the fuck are we not called The 1563 01:27:09,680 --> 01:27:12,400 Speaker 1: Nightmare before Christmas a Christmas movie? 1564 01:27:12,600 --> 01:27:16,600 Speaker 3: Would you say it? But it's it's more a Halloween movie. 1565 01:27:16,360 --> 01:27:20,519 Speaker 1: Though, okay, But also the idea that there is just 1566 01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:24,400 Speaker 1: simply a Christmas tinge to it means you can watch 1567 01:27:24,439 --> 01:27:26,920 Speaker 1: it on Christmas. In my opinion, if we're going by 1568 01:27:26,920 --> 01:27:29,040 Speaker 1: the current metrics of what makes a Christmas movie a 1569 01:27:29,120 --> 01:27:31,479 Speaker 1: Christmas movie, I mean maybe this is another alons Old 1570 01:27:31,600 --> 01:27:36,440 Speaker 1: all Day question. I'm just trying to provide a counterbalance 1571 01:27:36,600 --> 01:27:40,639 Speaker 1: to this definitive answer that you'd give it. Like you've 1572 01:27:40,680 --> 01:27:42,639 Speaker 1: got the definitive answer. 1573 01:27:43,720 --> 01:27:46,720 Speaker 3: It's would you classify it a Christmas movie or a 1574 01:27:46,760 --> 01:27:50,920 Speaker 3: Halloween movie? And I would definitively classify it as a 1575 01:27:50,960 --> 01:27:54,600 Speaker 3: Halloween movie, I guess in my estimation. But you know 1576 01:27:54,680 --> 01:27:57,639 Speaker 3: what you think otherwise, And. 1577 01:27:57,840 --> 01:28:01,160 Speaker 1: Well, I'm just saying the I think basing it on 1578 01:28:01,240 --> 01:28:08,160 Speaker 1: the current metrics of what makes a Christmas movie, which 1579 01:28:08,160 --> 01:28:11,519 Speaker 1: is that you just need like zero point zero one 1580 01:28:11,560 --> 01:28:14,639 Speaker 1: percent of Christmas vibes and it becomes a Christmas movie. 1581 01:28:14,840 --> 01:28:18,639 Speaker 1: So by that standard, I would call this a Christmas movie. 1582 01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:22,960 Speaker 1: Do I think that it has more Halloween in it? Sure, 1583 01:28:24,240 --> 01:28:29,960 Speaker 1: but there's also more sex in Eyes Wide Shut than 1584 01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:33,920 Speaker 1: there is Christmas, and people watch on Christmas. I think 1585 01:28:33,960 --> 01:28:37,679 Speaker 1: there's more explosions than die Hard. I also watch Holiday also, 1586 01:28:37,720 --> 01:28:39,920 Speaker 1: I think there's more explosions in die Hard than there 1587 01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:43,080 Speaker 1: is Christmas, and yet people watch die Hard on Christmas? 1588 01:28:43,120 --> 01:28:45,800 Speaker 3: Do you know? Do you understand what I'm saying. I 1589 01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:49,439 Speaker 3: don't think we helped Sydney or Lauren, but. 1590 01:28:48,880 --> 01:28:52,040 Speaker 1: We picked, we picked sides, and I feel like we 1591 01:28:52,120 --> 01:28:54,720 Speaker 1: provided a swath of opinions. 1592 01:28:54,920 --> 01:28:58,400 Speaker 3: So sure, yeah, Okay, Well, thank you for everyone who 1593 01:28:58,400 --> 01:29:02,400 Speaker 3: wrote and called in, please continue to do so. All right, 1594 01:29:02,479 --> 01:29:05,479 Speaker 3: it is time for Employees Picks, where we pick movie 1595 01:29:05,520 --> 01:29:08,360 Speaker 3: recommendations based on the theme of the episode. Billy, what 1596 01:29:08,600 --> 01:29:09,800 Speaker 3: is your employee pick? 1597 01:29:10,080 --> 01:29:12,160 Speaker 1: Well, this is a layup this week because I really 1598 01:29:12,240 --> 01:29:16,120 Speaker 1: don't feel like giving you something that's like super obscure. 1599 01:29:17,920 --> 01:29:19,960 Speaker 1: But I'm gonna pick Silence of the Lambs from nineteen 1600 01:29:20,040 --> 01:29:24,280 Speaker 1: ninety one who Jonathan Demi, also about a serial killer, 1601 01:29:24,360 --> 01:29:29,880 Speaker 1: also a crime procedural film. What have I not said 1602 01:29:30,120 --> 01:29:35,400 Speaker 1: about the Silence of the Lambs. It's a great film. 1603 01:29:35,880 --> 01:29:39,320 Speaker 1: Rewatched it, like semi recently in a theater and was 1604 01:29:39,360 --> 01:29:42,360 Speaker 1: scared to death as I was when I was watching Zodiac. 1605 01:29:42,439 --> 01:29:45,559 Speaker 1: So these are like both like movies that are extremely 1606 01:29:45,600 --> 01:29:50,960 Speaker 1: effective many years after and yeah, that's a mark of 1607 01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:53,000 Speaker 1: a good movie to me. So I don't know if 1608 01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:55,320 Speaker 1: you haven't seen it for some reason. You should watch it. 1609 01:29:56,160 --> 01:30:00,599 Speaker 3: Great movie putting the pieces together. It's thrilling. Yes, I 1610 01:30:00,640 --> 01:30:04,120 Speaker 3: also have a layup this week and it is All 1611 01:30:04,160 --> 01:30:08,680 Speaker 3: the President's Men from nineteen seventy six, a great newspaper movie. 1612 01:30:08,840 --> 01:30:12,599 Speaker 3: And I would consider Zodiac a great newspaper movie. There's 1613 01:30:12,640 --> 01:30:15,760 Speaker 3: such a high of like a guy going around interviewing, 1614 01:30:15,960 --> 01:30:18,759 Speaker 3: getting all these like little details and it coming together. 1615 01:30:19,040 --> 01:30:22,240 Speaker 3: And All the President's Men really scratches that itch. It's 1616 01:30:22,320 --> 01:30:28,600 Speaker 3: so exciting and enthralling and so fun and so like 1617 01:30:28,640 --> 01:30:33,440 Speaker 3: that nineteen seventies paranoia movies. Those are so good. And yeah, 1618 01:30:33,479 --> 01:30:39,240 Speaker 3: and rip Robert Redford. Yes, looking beautiful. So check out 1619 01:30:39,280 --> 01:30:44,360 Speaker 3: All the Presidents Men. But that's our show in the future. 1620 01:30:44,479 --> 01:30:46,840 Speaker 3: If you'd like film advice or if you need a 1621 01:30:46,880 --> 01:30:50,160 Speaker 3: specific recommendation, if you have a gripe a grope a gret, 1622 01:30:50,960 --> 01:30:53,040 Speaker 3: email us at dear Movies at exactly right Media. You 1623 01:30:53,040 --> 01:30:56,000 Speaker 3: can also send in a voicemail like a few of 1624 01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:58,639 Speaker 3: our listeners have. Please do so. Make sure it's under 1625 01:30:58,640 --> 01:31:02,400 Speaker 3: a minute, You've recorded it in a nice quiet space, 1626 01:31:02,840 --> 01:31:05,240 Speaker 3: and you can email that too. Deer movies at exactly 1627 01:31:05,280 --> 01:31:06,400 Speaker 3: rightmedia dot com. 1628 01:31:06,760 --> 01:31:10,600 Speaker 1: Also please Okay. I made a call I think it 1629 01:31:10,640 --> 01:31:12,519 Speaker 1: was either the last episode or the one before it, 1630 01:31:12,520 --> 01:31:15,240 Speaker 1: where I was like, please follow us on Instagram, and 1631 01:31:15,320 --> 01:31:18,120 Speaker 1: it seemed to have worked, so I'm gonna say it again. 1632 01:31:18,840 --> 01:31:21,960 Speaker 1: Follow us on Instagram. It's like basically where we hang 1633 01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:27,559 Speaker 1: out besides the email, right, we are at Deer Movies 1634 01:31:27,600 --> 01:31:30,640 Speaker 1: I Love You on Instagram. We're also on Facebook if 1635 01:31:30,680 --> 01:31:35,360 Speaker 1: you're a Facebook person, and also we're on Letterbox, each 1636 01:31:35,400 --> 01:31:39,200 Speaker 1: of us individually. I'm at mda Cherco. 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I was just going to ask 1647 01:32:16,439 --> 01:32:19,120 Speaker 3: the same goddamn question. I don't know if we have 1648 01:32:19,200 --> 01:32:21,400 Speaker 3: the qualifications to say what was the best of twenty 1649 01:32:21,439 --> 01:32:24,360 Speaker 3: twenty five, to be honest, but we're gonna try. 1650 01:32:24,600 --> 01:32:27,040 Speaker 1: We'll try, we'll see what happens. Let's just say, let's 1651 01:32:27,040 --> 01:32:30,080 Speaker 1: just say, let's just walk in with good intentions and 1652 01:32:30,120 --> 01:32:33,440 Speaker 1: hopefully it'll work out the best of intentions. 1653 01:32:33,560 --> 01:32:39,720 Speaker 3: Yes, uh, but yeah, that's it. Thank you, Millie. Hey, 1654 01:32:40,000 --> 01:32:40,799 Speaker 3: always a pleasure. 1655 01:32:41,120 --> 01:32:43,320 Speaker 1: Thank you, Casey. I'm sorry you're getting those fart emails. 1656 01:32:43,360 --> 01:32:45,200 Speaker 1: Hopefully we can clear that up pretty quickly. 1657 01:32:45,280 --> 01:32:50,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, no more fart emails people, please, Bye bye. 1658 01:32:52,840 --> 01:32:56,000 Speaker 1: This has been an exactly right production hosted by me 1659 01:32:56,400 --> 01:33:00,000 Speaker 1: Millie to Cherco and produced by my co host Casey O'Brien. 1660 01:33:00,240 --> 01:33:04,080 Speaker 3: This episode was mixed by Tom Bryfogal. Our associate producer 1661 01:33:04,120 --> 01:33:07,439 Speaker 3: is Christina Chamberlain, our guest booker is Patrick Cottner, and 1662 01:33:07,520 --> 01:33:09,400 Speaker 3: our artwork is by Vanessa Lilac. 1663 01:33:09,560 --> 01:33:12,479 Speaker 1: Our incredible theme music is by the best band in 1664 01:33:12,479 --> 01:33:14,360 Speaker 1: the entire world, The Softies. 1665 01:33:14,640 --> 01:33:18,560 Speaker 3: Thank you to our executive producers Karen Kilgareff, Georgia Hardstark, 1666 01:33:18,720 --> 01:33:21,600 Speaker 3: Daniel Kramer and Millie to Jerico, we love you. 1667 01:33:21,680 --> 01:33:24,920 Speaker 1: Goodbye Beer