1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: From UFOs two ghosts and government cover ups. History is 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:16,280 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to. Now, Hey, everybody, 4 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:19,319 Speaker 1: welcome back. My name is Matt and I am Ben 5 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: and today we've got a fascinating subject for you, something 6 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: that you've probably been thinking about since you were a kid, 7 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: even if you weren't maybe thinking about the particulars of 8 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 1: the weaponization of this thing. But space is something that, man, 9 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 1: it just captures the mind, the young mind especially and 10 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 1: uh perhaps the young mind that's within all of us. 11 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: Um when you think about the vastness that's out there 12 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: when we're just floating around on this tiny little planet, 13 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: And what are the implications of of bringing our human 14 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: warlike you know, uh, our ego and uh pushing it 15 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: out to those outer reaches? Like what is that? Yeah, right, 16 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: the in the vast inconceivable space of the universe. Are 17 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 1: we the dicks at the party? I mean, well, that's 18 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: it's a weird thing to think about, and it's just 19 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 1: part of our nature that we kind of have to 20 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 1: at some point look in the face. Now, let me 21 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:24,400 Speaker 1: ask you by way of segue, Matt, are you a 22 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: Star Wars or Star Trek fan. If you had to 23 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 1: pick one, I would wholeheartedly throw myself into the Star 24 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 1: Trek Star Trek. Huh yeah, world there any particular reason 25 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: my dad and I. I guess my dad mostly he 26 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: got me into the Next Generation. UM, I was really 27 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 1: hardcore into that. Remember how everybody flipped out on the 28 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: first episode of the Next Generation when there was a 29 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 1: clean on as part of the crew. Actually, no, I 30 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 1: don't remember that. I don't remember that, but I did 31 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: read about that later. I'm dating myself. I've flipped out 32 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: as a kid. Um. Well, the the reason that I 33 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: asked this is that these are two of the most 34 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:09,920 Speaker 1: well known science fiction UM. I guess the right word 35 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: would be universes, right, science fiction universes in human history 36 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: and um. Both of these are heavily centered on the 37 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: idea that we're going to talk about today in some respect, 38 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 1: which is war in space space space space space. Yeah, 39 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: we have some high class special effects here. UM. But 40 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: this this brings up some really important questions because you 41 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: and I have been exploring this in a bunch of 42 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: different ways for a very long time. We talked, most 43 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 1: recently about the intelligence gathering satellite programs, And please go 44 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:00,799 Speaker 1: back and watch that episode of You Haven't Yet. That's 45 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: one of our it's one of my favorite latest episodes 46 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: that we've done, just talking about the importance of having 47 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: a wide view, the wider your view of the Earth 48 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 1: in the world, to be able to look at, say, 49 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: if there's a nuclear test going on somewhere, or you know, 50 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 1: really just to observe people are observed, countries and other 51 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: powers that you may see as an adversary. Yes, And 52 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 1: what we'll be doing in this podcast today, you and 53 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: I are going to talk about what makes outer space 54 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: valuable as a as a frontier right for nation states. 55 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 1: We're going to talk about what legal things might exist 56 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: or already exist to stop it from becoming a war zone. Um. 57 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 1: And then we'll also talk about some of the conspiracy 58 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: theories regarding militarization or weaponization of space. Uh, and how 59 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: much or how little truth is found within these ideas 60 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: and how much or how little we actually know about 61 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: the latest tech. Ah. Yes, that's a very good point 62 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: because a lot of this, as we'll find, is classified. 63 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 1: So first up, we know that the immediate area surrounding 64 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 1: Earth in space is just lousy with space junk and satellites. 65 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 1: We are the UM. We are the galactic equivalent of 66 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: that really trashy neighbor with a bunch of stuff in 67 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 1: their front yard and a bunch of non working machines 68 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: that nobody bothered to clean up. Old satellites just floating around. Yeah. Well, 69 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 1: and it's funny because the reason that all of that 70 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 1: is up there is because we've really been in this 71 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: race for such a long time to have that wide view, 72 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:55,039 Speaker 1: the control, and the ability to see and sense things 73 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:59,479 Speaker 1: from that level. Because having a satellite in orbit is 74 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 1: a huge, huge deal for a country. Yeah, that's one 75 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 1: of the big three things that space offers any nation 76 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:10,919 Speaker 1: state capable of making the trip right, UM the and 77 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 1: it's number one on our list. Actually, uh satellites for 78 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:19,719 Speaker 1: intelligence gathering, the ability to see in something close to 79 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 1: real time what what your opponents, your rivals are doing, 80 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:29,599 Speaker 1: presents a tremendous advantage and in fact, UM may have 81 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: saved us from war a couple of times. I know 82 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: it looks like it sounds as though this might UM 83 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 1: drive us into a war, but we do know that 84 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: the satellite info during the Cold War that Lyndon Johnson 85 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: received made him realize that the Soviet Union was not 86 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 1: building near as many bombs as we thought, and he 87 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: famously said, we're building stuff we don't need to build, 88 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:55,359 Speaker 1: which must have been a huge, you know, um, a 89 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 1: huge turnoff for some some of our friends in the 90 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: defense industry at well. And another thing that it provides 91 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: is the ability to see and know in real time 92 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:09,720 Speaker 1: what your troops are doing and to communicate from say, oh, 93 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: you know, halfway around the world too, and let your 94 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: other troops know or your other installation know exactly what's 95 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: going on at all times. Uh. The communication alone is 96 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 1: a huge deal for the military. And that just means 97 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:25,359 Speaker 1: exactly what it describes. Some of the biggest innovations, some 98 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: of the most uh ambitious R and D programs in 99 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 1: the world right now are focused on improving communications. So 100 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 1: not so much building a better bomb as building a 101 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 1: better way to know where the bombs are yours and 102 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:44,239 Speaker 1: the other game. And the reason that um, we see 103 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 1: this as such a priority is well, it's kind of 104 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 1: disturbing if you think about it, but you know, Matt, 105 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:57,480 Speaker 1: for much of human history, empires have fallen and risen 106 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: based on this weird lack of communication, like the old 107 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 1: theory about UM. Now, I've never been able to figure 108 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: out if this is true, but you know people who 109 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: think that the Rothchild family runs the world, and it 110 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: is true that no one really can calculate how much 111 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: money the Rothchild family is an aggregate has It's his 112 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: story for another day. Yes, they don't let me digress. 113 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 1: But that old story about UM about how the Rothchild 114 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 1: family was able to figure out what was actually happening 115 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 1: UM during Napoleonic Uh. I can't remember the exact battle, 116 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: but apparently was able to get information before the other 117 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: folks and play the market with it, and that became 118 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 1: a huge financial windfall. That sort of stuff is, you know, 119 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 1: not necessarily anomalous. Traders have been making money off that 120 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: for centuries, and now this is sort of closing the gap. 121 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: And that's not even the last thing. We know what 122 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: the last thing is on our list of three reasons. Well, yeah, 123 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 1: it's being able to intercept the communications of those other 124 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: countries with your technology that you have up in space 125 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: and which leads us. I mean, you could just put 126 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 1: it right into the n s A. You could. We 127 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 1: could talk about so many things here, we could branch off. Wow, 128 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: this is a. This is a great podcast that we 129 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: can probably in the future say, hey, go back and 130 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: listen to our Militarization of Space podcast, because we're gonna 131 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 1: be talking about a branch of that. For instance, as 132 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: we're recording this, this is the very beginning of two 133 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: thousand fourteen, I forgot to say Happy New Year. Oh yeah, 134 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 1: Happy New Year everyone. Yeah, Happy New Year everybody as 135 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: we're recording. They still probably hear it later. Um. But 136 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 1: one of the big pieces of news that hit recently 137 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: as we were coming into the studio is that France 138 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: and I believe the United Arab Emirates may have just 139 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:58,079 Speaker 1: had their intelligent satellite deal scuttled. France was selling a 140 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: belief to intelligence out lights to the u a E. 141 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 1: And then with the NASA or n s A revelations 142 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: excuse me, uh, come to find out that the U 143 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:13,680 Speaker 1: a E has a pretty i'm gonna say a pretty 144 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 1: fair suspicion that some of the technology in these satellites 145 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 1: may have a built in US government run back door. 146 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 1: So they don't want this to happen because if they 147 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 1: pay the exorbitant amount of money to buy these satellites 148 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: have them up in space, then what's just constantly sending 149 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: information back to the US. And it doesn't really make 150 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: what they're doing that that important, I guess right. And 151 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 1: it's not to say that the U A E or 152 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:47,959 Speaker 1: the U S are necessarily antagonistic toward each other something no, no, no. 153 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 1: And it's not to say that you A has any 154 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: nefarious means by sending the satellites up. It's just that 155 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: kind of that strategic advantage that the U S would 156 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 1: have over whatever they're doing. It's unsettling at best. So 157 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:06,719 Speaker 1: another question is if this stuff has been going on 158 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 1: for so long, which it has, then what if any 159 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 1: laws exist or govern the way Earth handles space. Well, 160 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: there's one very important document with a super sexy name. 161 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Well it does have one sexy name, which 162 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 1: is the Outer Space Treaty. That's yeah, it does. But 163 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 1: if you read the entire thing, the formal title, the 164 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 1: Treaty on Principles Governing the Activities of States and the 165 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 1: Exploration and Use of Outer Space, including the Moon and 166 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:40,319 Speaker 1: other celestial bodies. Oh wow, be still my beating heart. 167 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 1: But sexy or non sexy name aside, this is a 168 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 1: very important treaty. It's one of the only kind of 169 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:52,319 Speaker 1: its sort in in human history, of course, because it's 170 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 1: the first time we managed to get the space so 171 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 1: often that we had to sit down and you know, 172 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 1: have a town hall meeting about it, um it. And 173 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:04,079 Speaker 1: it does some really important things. Now, this was brought 174 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 1: into law in nineteen sixty seven, right, and it brings 175 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,319 Speaker 1: a lot of the heavy hitters in the space game 176 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:14,079 Speaker 1: to the table. And at this point in time, we're 177 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: talking about the Soviet Union, the US, the United Kingdom 178 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: and some others. And one of the things that it 179 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 1: does that's hugely important is that it says no one 180 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 1: can just own space. You know, it's not like a 181 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 1: territorial water claim where which we still haven't figured out 182 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 1: in much of the world today. You know, China and 183 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: Japan and a couple of other countries are in the 184 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: Philippines are fighting over who owns how much of the 185 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 1: water around their countries. Um But this treaty makes space 186 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 1: a little bit like the South Pole, like no one 187 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 1: can own Antarctica. You can build research stations there, yeah, exactly. 188 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 1: And one of the most important things that it said 189 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 1: was that you can send something up into space because 190 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 1: nobody owns it, just like with the research station and 191 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 1: an ARCA. But and you own that thing that you 192 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:13,839 Speaker 1: sent up. Whatever it is, that satellite, it's yours, it's 193 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: your country's. UM. But you can't there are a couple 194 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 1: of things you can't do with it. You can't put 195 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 1: any weapons of mass destruction up there. It's like, no nukes. Yeah, no, 196 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: absolutely no nukes, or of some other kind of crazy 197 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: space bacterial I don't know attack. You can't put that 198 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 1: sort of h. James Bond esque laser beam, yes, yes, Um, 199 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:39,839 Speaker 1: well see I don't know about a laser beam. I 200 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:42,559 Speaker 1: really want to get down into some of the minutia 201 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 1: about that. Now they classify what is a conventional one, right, 202 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 1: we'll get to that part. So, so, no nukes. This 203 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 1: was a huge part of the agreement because at this time, 204 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 1: if we remember, UM, the idea of nuclear war was 205 00:12:55,559 --> 00:13:00,200 Speaker 1: at the forefront of most people's minds. Um. This also 206 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 1: limits the use of the Moon. It's supposed to make 207 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:07,319 Speaker 1: the Moon kind of a new Antarctica. Only peaceful purposes, 208 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 1: and you have to be used for the betterment of 209 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 1: the entire Earth. If you put a station on the Moon, 210 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: you can put a station up there, just can't be 211 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:18,839 Speaker 1: militarized in any way, right, can't be a military base, 212 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 1: can't test your Moon weapons, and you also can't conduct 213 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: your military moon maneuvers. Um. That's that's the idea. But 214 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 1: there's something really important and we just mentioned, which is 215 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 1: that the treaty does not prohibit bringing conventional weapons into orbit. 216 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: And that that's why you and I were a little 217 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: bit um, a little bit hesitant to say that a 218 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 1: laser beam had no place in space, because what defines 219 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:49,319 Speaker 1: a conventional weapon. We'll get to that in just a second. 220 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:53,679 Speaker 1: There's another very important part of this treaty, which said 221 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:58,680 Speaker 1: that no one can claim severenity over the Moon by 222 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 1: means of use or occupation, or by any other means. 223 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 1: Whatever the hell that means. I don't know if it's 224 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 1: like putting the Moon on your currency, or so putting 225 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 1: a giant logo on the moon somewhere, maybe dropping a 226 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 1: flag on there. Yeah, but we're gonna return for this um, 227 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: this idea because it's important, as we'll find out later. 228 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 1: We talked about the future of this, but one thing's 229 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 1: for sure. When it comes to the laws, one thing 230 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 1: is unambiguously clear. Countries are supposed to own the satellites 231 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: they launch. With all that said, let's talk. Let's talk 232 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 1: some tech, right, Yes, Jonathan Strickland would love this part. 233 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: Now we mentioned the intelligence and Reconnaissance satellites, right, Yes, 234 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 1: the l r O. The l R O. So the 235 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 1: l RO are essentially film cameras that are set up 236 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 1: in space that are set to take a certain amount 237 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 1: of film that's on the satellite and then launch that 238 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 1: sucker back down so they can be recovered by someone 239 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: on Earth. Wait, whoa whoa film film, straight up film man, 240 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 1: exposing it to light and old school wow. So before 241 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 1: digital cameras, we had satellites in the air, in this 242 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: in the space air taking taking photos um and dropping 243 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: that down to go to some sort of top secret 244 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 1: version of Kodak Eastman. Oh yeah and there. I don't know, 245 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 1: it's it's fascinating to me just the idea that someone 246 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 1: had that idea and was able to get exposure correct 247 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 1: and and get in focus images of any kind. That's 248 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 1: I mean, that was a task man. Yeah. And as 249 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 1: we found when we were looking at at these satellite programs, 250 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 1: they had a huge failure rate, and the problem was 251 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: once you shoot it up there, it's such a gamble. 252 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 1: It's not like you can take it back down and 253 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 1: fix it because we didn't have the technology to get 254 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: a spaceship there, or at least we didn't have the 255 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 1: publicly known technology on. So these are satellites like the 256 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 1: Velis satellite program. Uh, there's also key Hole or the 257 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: Cage series and Grown. And the last thing, the craziest 258 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 1: thing to me is once it runs out of film, 259 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: it's just gonna float around and not really do much 260 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 1: of anything unless you can get back up there and 261 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 1: spend the huge amount of money that it would take 262 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: to get back there and reload it with film, not 263 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: to mention at the time that would have been extremely difficult. 264 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 1: Now there's another and perhaps the most mysterious thing that 265 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 1: we've included under um under tech, but we don't know 266 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 1: too much about it right now. Yeah, we might have 267 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 1: to come back to this and again maybe in ten 268 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: years we'll do a follow up to this once we 269 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 1: find out what the heck it actually was, if they 270 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 1: ever declassify any Yes, that's the X thirty seven class 271 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: of unmanned space shuttles essentially. Yeah, it's an unmanned reusable spacecraft. 272 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: It's currently on its third mission and it's been up 273 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 1: in space for as long as what twelve months before? Yeah? Yeah, 274 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 1: just flying around and no one will say anything about 275 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 1: what it's officially doing. Uh super classified ben Yeah. The 276 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 1: the pr statement from the I think it's the Air 277 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:12,399 Speaker 1: Force on the Lockheed X thirty seven was something along 278 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:14,919 Speaker 1: the lines of, well, this third mission is going to 279 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 1: take lessons learned from the second mission and apply them 280 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 1: to real life applications. Were excited. That was, man, Yeah, 281 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:26,360 Speaker 1: I feel sorry for you whoever had to write that one. 282 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: So it's up there, it's unmanned. We don't know what 283 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 1: it's doing with no idea. Um we know that given 284 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 1: the capabilities of shuttles right that it has, it has 285 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:43,159 Speaker 1: some maneuverability that a satellite would not have. Yeah exactly, 286 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 1: But to what end? Yeah? To what end? Indeed? And 287 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 1: is there someone controlling? And this is I really want 288 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: to just know more about the technology, even even well, 289 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 1: I'm more fascinated by what the heck it's classified mission is, 290 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 1: but I want to know how it's controlled. Is it 291 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 1: really autonomous? Um? Or is somebody controlling it the way 292 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:06,639 Speaker 1: they would control a predator aircraft a drone? Yeah? And 293 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 1: if so, what's the lag. Yeah, gosh, man, I just 294 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 1: want to know. It's fascinating. So, um, we will probably 295 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: have to come back to the X thirty seven at 296 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:19,640 Speaker 1: some other point in time. But there are other conventional 297 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 1: weapons that have been used in space that we included 298 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 1: under technology. Right, Yeah, let's talk about the most simple one. Uh, 299 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 1: straight up handgun. Just a good old fashioned nine millimeter. 300 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 1: I don't even know if it was a nine millimeter 301 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 1: or not all I just know it was a handgun 302 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 1: and it was given to astronauts. But wait, says everybody 303 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 1: who knows about physics and space and the lack of gravity. Uh, 304 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 1: wouldn't a handgun be a cartoonishly stupid thing to have 305 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:54,439 Speaker 1: in space? Well? Look, man, you don't know what you're 306 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: gonna find on the Moon, you know, I mean, there 307 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:58,879 Speaker 1: could be some crazy stuff going on up there. Or 308 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 1: if you're a cosmonaut, uh, when you land wherever the 309 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 1: heck you land, if you make it. Um, it's sure 310 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 1: would suck to go to space and to return from 311 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 1: space and to be eaten by a tiger or a bear. Yeah, 312 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 1: a polar BEARA just goes hey, buddy, welcome back. That's 313 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: that would be a terrible welcoming party for a nut orbit. Yeah, 314 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 1: the uh so it is true that cosmonauts did have 315 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 1: conventional handguns, but these were not for space use. These 316 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 1: were not four games of Russian Roulette. These were not, 317 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:35,919 Speaker 1: uh for moments when the s hits the f and 318 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:39,359 Speaker 1: things get super real on a space station. Or maybe 319 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, maybe if you're up there and 320 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:44,879 Speaker 1: one guy goes a little nuts and decides he's gonna 321 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:47,639 Speaker 1: erect the entire thing because it's it's a tough mental 322 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 1: state to be in claustrophobic. So I think maybe maybe 323 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: there was some some scientists who said, maybe we should 324 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 1: have a plan in place just in case one person 325 00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:00,919 Speaker 1: goes eight nuts. There's no way you could shoot a 326 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 1: gun inside have a habitat. Yeah, you're right, You're absolutely right. 327 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess you could go wild with it 328 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,119 Speaker 1: and take everybody. I wonder if there wasn't a hunting 329 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 1: knife where some kind of knife involved as well. I 330 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: haven't done any research, we don't know. I'm sure there's 331 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:20,880 Speaker 1: something like a survival kid included. Um. Sorry, I didn't 332 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 1: mean to go and don't apologize me. It's a good question. 333 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:26,159 Speaker 1: Maybe one of our listeners, maybe you can write in 334 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: and let us know about your time as a cosmonaut 335 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 1: if you are allowed to. UM. Another thing though, that 336 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 1: this is also a Russian thing, mispronouncing this map. But 337 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:41,200 Speaker 1: the Salute three had a cannon on it, a twenty 338 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:47,879 Speaker 1: three millimeter cannon, and it shot satellites. Apparently that's still classified. 339 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: And speaking of shooting satellites, one of the other big 340 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 1: technologies we have to talk about is UH satellite killing. 341 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:59,679 Speaker 1: So a weird thing happened in two thousand seven. China 342 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 1: shot down one of their obsolete satellites and they said 343 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: we did this as a environmental thing or testing thing, 344 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:14,640 Speaker 1: which didn't really make sense because satellites contained some toxic elements. Um. 345 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:19,200 Speaker 1: It was largely seen as a thinly veiled demonstration of 346 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 1: UM military prowess. And the United States, of course, is 347 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,880 Speaker 1: not by any means and innocent in the woods here, 348 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 1: because the US also shot down satellites. Right yeah, back 349 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:33,920 Speaker 1: in the eighties, they used the brand new F fifteen 350 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 1: to UH to shoot down one because it could it 351 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 1: could travel at heights that were insane at the time. 352 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,919 Speaker 1: Um that nobody thought an airplane and aircraft like that 353 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 1: would be able to fly. And again just kind of Uh, well, 354 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 1: what's up? Yeah, I could do this. Yeah. Um. Then 355 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 1: they did it again in two thousand and eight, and 356 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 1: many people thought that was kind of an answer to 357 00:21:55,560 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 1: the two thousand seven China incident. I'm one of the people, 358 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,120 Speaker 1: by the way. Well yeah, I mean if you if 359 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,360 Speaker 1: you watch the news and you look at things like that, 360 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,120 Speaker 1: you notice that it's posturing. There's a ton of posturing 361 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 1: that happens. Posturing is a perfect word. There's a lot 362 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:14,920 Speaker 1: of bro do you even space and going on? Um. Alright, 363 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 1: so this brings us wait, wait, sorry, Ben, I want 364 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,639 Speaker 1: to go back just to briefly talk about the Space 365 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,400 Speaker 1: Wars program. Where the so called space Wars program, because 366 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: that kind of gives us a little background about UM, 367 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:30,160 Speaker 1: especially the satellite killer technology that we put up there. 368 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 1: What is the space Wars program, Well, it's it's the 369 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 1: Strategic Defense Initiative Organization, which was put together will essentially 370 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 1: by a speech that Ronald Reagan gave in March on 371 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 1: March twenty three, nine three, the year in which I 372 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 1: was born, Ben, and he basically was trying to find 373 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 1: a way to get out of the mutual assured destruction 374 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:58,680 Speaker 1: kind of the pattern that we were in UM and 375 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,679 Speaker 1: because that was largely based on offense, the idea that 376 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:04,879 Speaker 1: we're gonna have so many nukes. If you knuc us May, 377 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 1: we're gonna crap out of you, and and the Soviet 378 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: Union in the United States were both kind of again 379 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 1: posturing in this manner. He thought, well, what if there's 380 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 1: a way, And probably a lot of his advisers thought, 381 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 1: let's just put that there. Uh, what if we could 382 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:25,439 Speaker 1: just shoot down any intercontinental ballistic missile that came our way? Okay, 383 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 1: so what if we could just build some sort of 384 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 1: net for lack of a better word, that could knock 385 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 1: out any I C B M launch toward us. Yeah, 386 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 1: And it made a lot of people angry. Obviously, the 387 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:43,399 Speaker 1: Soviet Union was a little upset about it, um, you know, 388 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 1: and it got a ton of criticism as well because 389 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 1: of the amount of tech and the high tech that 390 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 1: we would need to be able to do something like this, 391 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:58,439 Speaker 1: And it was basically a money pit for a long time. UM. 392 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 1: And it changed names a couple of times. I know, 393 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,200 Speaker 1: George H. W. George H. W. Bush changed the name, 394 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: and then Bill Clinton again changed the name, and and 395 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 1: really they changed the focus a bunch of different times. 396 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 1: But under this program there were some crazy weaponry that 397 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: was at least fought up to go up into space. 398 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,199 Speaker 1: What there were there were X ray lasers, there were 399 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 1: chemical lasers again attached the idea would you would be 400 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: you would attach it to some kind of satellite that 401 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 1: would then aim, be able to track and aim at 402 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 1: a missile that's flying through the air. Uh. You also 403 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 1: had again like regular projectiles, lead projectiles that would be shot, 404 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 1: targeted and shot just rods. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And also 405 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:52,679 Speaker 1: um using rail railgun technology extremely fast, basically using magnets 406 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:57,199 Speaker 1: to shoot shoot projectiles so fast that they would be 407 00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 1: able to catch up with an intercontinental ballistic missile. It's 408 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 1: just fascinating stuff to me. Yeah, and it sounds incredibly 409 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 1: difficult to do well. Yeah, And and so much money, 410 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 1: billions of dollars went into trying to come up with 411 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:13,119 Speaker 1: a good way, a good system, and basically it got scrapped, 412 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 1: at least most of it got scrapped. Okay, if I 413 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 1: could interject here, this is the perfect segue, NOL, could 414 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 1: you please toss in a scary music queue, perfect matt 415 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:37,919 Speaker 1: billions of dollars, yea few public results, how much of 416 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:42,160 Speaker 1: it was corruption and waste, certainly a bit. How much 417 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 1: of it could have been building something else, something classified. See, 418 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 1: that's the scary thing when we look at the conspiracy 419 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 1: theories surrounding weapons in space, there's very little that people 420 00:25:55,520 --> 00:26:01,199 Speaker 1: actually know or that has occurred. We we know some 421 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,200 Speaker 1: of the stuff, and we know a lot of it 422 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:08,200 Speaker 1: way later than it actually happened. If somebody had found 423 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 1: out about the Keyhole satellites when they were up there, 424 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,439 Speaker 1: it would have blown their frigging minds. It still blows 425 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 1: my mind. So I'm going to rate the conspiracy theories 426 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 1: about space. I'm going to rate them as potentially plausible 427 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 1: with a big, big, big, big caveat. I didn't even 428 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:34,239 Speaker 1: say possible as a plausible, which is a big leap, right. Um. 429 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: That big caveat is simply that not a lot of 430 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 1: information exists. And while it's while it's possible that there's 431 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:51,479 Speaker 1: technology generations and generations further ahead than we actually know, 432 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 1: what is more plausible is that there's stuff kind of 433 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 1: the head of the curve. You know, maybe not thirty 434 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 1: years ahead of the curve, maybe five years ahead of 435 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 1: the curve. And think about how how far ahead of 436 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:12,360 Speaker 1: the curve five years is now exactly exactly, and think 437 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 1: about how possible it is to have an unaccounted satellite. 438 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,439 Speaker 1: You know. One of the things that really tripped us 439 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:25,919 Speaker 1: out was when we found out that um, it is 440 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:31,719 Speaker 1: possible to track secret satellites and the group of people 441 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 1: who were doing these as hobbyists had been discovered by 442 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:40,880 Speaker 1: various governments, and those various governments had altered the paths 443 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:45,120 Speaker 1: of the satellites. That's amazing. That's not even a conspiracy theory. 444 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 1: That is a conspiracy story. That is factual. Yeah, and 445 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,440 Speaker 1: it's interesting that all it takes is a few interested 446 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 1: people to just do a little bit of observation and 447 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:03,479 Speaker 1: the entire program had to shift. Now, this leads us 448 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 1: to something that we want to ask you guys out 449 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 1: here listening. Do you think that it is Do you 450 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 1: think that it's plausible that there would be some sort 451 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 1: of weapon like Matt and I have described that would 452 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 1: be capable of shooting out an I, C B M 453 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 1: from space? Um. You know, given that there are other 454 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 1: similar programs to the Star Wars initiative that actually have 455 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 1: some degree of success, like the Iron Dome UM, which 456 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,640 Speaker 1: protects from rockets in the Middle East? Right, Uh there, 457 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 1: and that's all technology that's shot from the ground, right, 458 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 1: But but it uses satellites to track things, right, and 459 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 1: not very well to be honest. So could there be 460 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 1: something like that? What are the space weapon conspiracies that 461 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 1: you believe are true? That's what we want to hear 462 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:57,719 Speaker 1: about it because we know there are a lot of 463 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 1: countries sticking their fingers up there into the inky darkness 464 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 1: of space, right and uh, what are they fiddling with? Right? So, Matt, 465 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 1: I can't think of a better way for us to 466 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 1: go out than the future. Yes, the future, Uh, this 467 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 1: is we're not trying to see the future in anywhere. 468 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 1: We're just going to talk about the path that we're 469 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 1: currently on. Yeah, the trends um, So the biggest thing 470 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 1: is that it's getting not easier per se, but it's 471 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 1: getting a little bit cheaper with some of the new 472 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 1: ways that we can get up into space. Um. With 473 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 1: the especially with the entrepreneurs that are pursuing this sure, 474 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 1: Richard Branson for example. UM. And there are privately funded 475 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 1: initiatives to even take people to Mars, which we'll see 476 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 1: if that ever materializes. But we do know that private 477 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 1: individuals and corporations. Uh, may well be the torch bearers 478 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 1: for the next space race. We also know that the 479 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: space race is picking up. China, of course, landed on 480 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 1: the Moon successfully with the uh I can't remember how 481 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 1: to pronounce it Chung gay three and rover called the 482 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 1: jade rabbit. Yeah, that's this is one of the more 483 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 1: fascinating things that you can do on the internet now 484 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 1: is just search search about that rover and you can 485 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 1: see pictures, brand new higher resolution photos of the Moon. Now, 486 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 1: it's fascinating taking selfies and it is uh. And then 487 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 1: India just created their first cryogenic engine, which originally was 488 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 1: technology relegated to a few Western powers. Um. But now 489 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,719 Speaker 1: India has been able to make it domestically. And we 490 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 1: can't over emphasize the importance of something like this. These 491 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 1: these kind of breakthroughs make it quite possible that the 492 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 1: first person to ever speak on Mars, or the next 493 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 1: person to go to the Moon won't be speaking English, 494 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 1: oh gosh. Or maybe they will speak English, it will 495 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 1: just be their third or fourth language, right yeah, uh, 496 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 1: and may not be recognizable um to people who speak 497 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: the old fashioned English. Right um. And we're gonna leave 498 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 1: on an interesting note, we're just gonna say this is interesting. 499 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 1: So remember we said we would go back to Article 500 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 1: two of the Outer Space Treaty where they said that 501 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 1: no one can own the moon. Well, it turns out 502 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 1: there's some latitude, there's some wiggle room there, and to 503 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 1: fix that, there was another treaty just for the moon. 504 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 1: And this would be a binding, effective treaty that would 505 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 1: have guaranteed that not just the moon, but all celestial 506 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 1: bodies fall under international jurisdiction. So not just um, the 507 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 1: idea that no one nation can claim the own the moon, 508 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 1: but that they all everybody owns someone, right, And so 509 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 1: it's an interesting, interesting difference. Um. And it was enough 510 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 1: of a difference that no country that can go into 511 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 1: space signed it. No one said that's crazy to me. 512 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 1: It ties into UM, I think it ties into how 513 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 1: much disproportionate power some countries have cough cough United States, 514 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 1: cough in the United Nations, Um, Western countries have a 515 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 1: lot of a disproportionate poll and a lot of this stuff. 516 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 1: I mean, you could say it's not disproportionate given the 517 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:40,280 Speaker 1: you know, percentages of funding and stuff. Um, But geopolitically, 518 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,720 Speaker 1: a lot of countries said no, way, am I going 519 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 1: to let the U N own the Moon? Well? Yeah, 520 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 1: and and let's not forget the dish disproportionate amount of 521 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 1: money that exists in the hands of so very few 522 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 1: right now. And just to think about, there are there 523 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,080 Speaker 1: are a large number of people now that if they 524 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,360 Speaker 1: wanted to, they have the means to get into the 525 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 1: private space sector, at least the monetary means to do so. 526 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:09,920 Speaker 1: And uh, if things continue to get worse environmentally on 527 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 1: this planet, I wonder how many different small private space 528 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 1: companies will be born in the next five to fifty years. 529 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,240 Speaker 1: You know what I think that is? That is a 530 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 1: fairly plausible thing that probably the incentive will be to 531 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:33,120 Speaker 1: try to reclaim parts of Earth instead. Um, but I 532 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 1: could definitely see both of them going that way. And 533 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 1: I'll go ahead and say it. I don't know what 534 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 1: you think, Matt, and I don't know what you think, listeners. 535 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:44,000 Speaker 1: What the future of space travel? I think is going 536 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:47,000 Speaker 1: to be driven by the private industry. I mean, corporations 537 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 1: will become the new states. It's um, that's where we're heading. 538 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 1: Fairly inevitable, right, just like states became the new religions. 539 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 1: There's a cycle there, and perhaps we've said too much already. 540 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 1: Oh god, Um, all right, so that's it. What what 541 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,160 Speaker 1: do you want people to mail us this week? Matt? 542 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:09,359 Speaker 1: I want to see if any of you are amateur astronomers, 543 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:13,520 Speaker 1: I want to see pictures that you've taken specifically about Jupiter, 544 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:17,200 Speaker 1: because right now Jupiter is extremely close to the Earth 545 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:19,400 Speaker 1: and I'd love to see some of those pictures. If 546 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:23,400 Speaker 1: you're into that. Um, maybe if you've been tracking a satellite, 547 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 1: I'd love to know about that if you can tell us. 548 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:28,839 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, if you're really you're allowed to tell us. 549 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,399 Speaker 1: And also, one last thing, let's do a little let's 550 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,839 Speaker 1: play a game, just a quick little thought experiment. So 551 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,040 Speaker 1: let's say you're on a mission. You're an astronaut or 552 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,480 Speaker 1: cosmonaut or whatever not you are. You've been sent on 553 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:46,120 Speaker 1: a mission to go to a planet that's far, that's 554 00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:49,920 Speaker 1: in far outside of our Solar System, and we've confirmed 555 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:53,400 Speaker 1: that it contains biological life of some sort. It's in class, 556 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,360 Speaker 1: yes and M class. 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