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Speaker 1: Hi everyone, Sophia Bush here. Welcome to Work in Progress,

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Speaker 1: where I talk to people who inspire me about how

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Speaker 1: they got to where they are and where they think

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Speaker 1: they're still going. I'm so excited to introduce you all

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Speaker 1: to today's guest. He is a truly brilliant man that

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Speaker 1: is and always has been way ahead of his time.

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Speaker 1: Dr James Hart. Dr Hart is an acclaimed research scientist, psychologist,

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Speaker 1: and author that has made it both his lifelong mission

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Speaker 1: and vocation to expand the boundaries of Western scientific exploration

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Speaker 1: of the human brain. I know brain science literally the

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Speaker 1: coolest thing on earth. Dr Hart is known for inventing

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Speaker 1: the world's first micro computer based brainwave analyzer and bio

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Speaker 1: feedback system, and for serving as the president and founder

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Speaker 1: of the Biocybernat Institute. They are at Biocybernat on Instagram

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Speaker 1: should you want to check it out. At the Biocybernaut Institute,

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Speaker 1: Doctor Hart offers cutting edge neurofeedback systems, which are unique

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Speaker 1: brain training programs that help to empower business founders and

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Speaker 1: leaders and folks like you and me to revolutionize performance.

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Speaker 1: Through his programs, Dr Hart has worked with Fortune five CEOs,

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Speaker 1: world class business leaders, professional athletes, even Zen and Yogi masters.

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Speaker 1: He's been doing this for over forty years, working in

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Speaker 1: biofeedback and studying the electro physiological basis of advanced spiritual states,

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Speaker 1: which you can learn more about in his book The

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Speaker 1: Art of Smart Thinking and the more than sixty scientific

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Speaker 1: papers and presentations on brainwave activity that Dr Heart has

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Speaker 1: earned a national reputation for being a pre eminent researcher

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Speaker 1: of He is both a scientist and an expert in

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Speaker 1: elevating human consciousness, so you know, I had to talk

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Speaker 1: to him. In my conversation with Dr Hart, we discussed

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Speaker 1: his childhood, his extensive education, what inspired him to explore

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Speaker 1: the spiritual mind, and how that led him to a

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Speaker 1: professional journey researching the brain. He'll talk to us about

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Speaker 1: our ability to control our brain waves, the importance of

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Speaker 1: owning our own emotions, meditation and neurofeedback, what the brain

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Speaker 1: body connection really means, and so much more. Enjoy as

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Speaker 1: a scientist, You're looking at the scientific landscape, the academic landscape,

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Speaker 1: research that's being done into the brain and how it functions,

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Speaker 1: and you realize there really is through the brain a

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Speaker 1: pathway to spirituality, to consciousness, to awakening, to a more.

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Speaker 1: I believe unified view of the world and its people.

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Speaker 1: And so how do you say, here, I am with

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Speaker 1: this enormous academic career and I'm going to go diving

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Speaker 1: into the spiritual mind next. What what was the what

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Speaker 1: was the impetus for you? Well it began. I was

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Speaker 1: a grad student UM, and I had another friend who

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Speaker 1: was a grad student at another university, to Kene University,

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Speaker 1: studying phenomenological psychology, and he was introducing me to people

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Speaker 1: like father Pierre T. De shardin UM, who wrote an

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Speaker 1: amazing book called The Phenomenon of Man. And I was

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Speaker 1: excited about all of this stuff, is theories, these philosophies,

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Speaker 1: said Dr Joe Kobia will talk of brain waves and consciousness.

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Speaker 1: And they gave it time. That was just ten minutes away.

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Speaker 1: and grounded all of this amazing philosophy and psychology and

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Speaker 1: the super conscious state in zen is called satori, and

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Speaker 1: both of them are characterized by super high alpha all

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Speaker 1: And so it turns out that that there's massive differences

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Speaker 1: If in these studies have been done, Yogi sitting there

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Speaker 1: not disturbed. The alpha just pours out. You take you

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Speaker 1: not interesting, it's not dangerous, and your alpha doesn't block.

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Speaker 1: But the thousandth time you ring the bell by the

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Speaker 1: It's like the William Blake phrase, the British poet. He said,

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Speaker 1: when the doors of perception are cleansed, everything appears to

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Speaker 1: has implications because in Japan, the bullet trains run on time.

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Speaker 1: level of perfection of the physical world is not even

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Speaker 1: of interest to those following the Yogic philosophy. And so

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Speaker 1: this is why bars havn't that we say brain waves rule.

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Speaker 1: They're all your thoughts, the earlier emotions. They rule your perceptions.

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Speaker 1: You can't even have the experience of the color blue

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just also mind blowing and exciting and

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Speaker 1: and and I remember the year that I turned twenty three,

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Speaker 1: how you know, to your point, for thousands of years,

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Speaker 1: that was really where my curiosity about all of this began.

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Speaker 1: And and it was actually in doing some study for

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Speaker 1: about how trauma or traumatic experience affect the brain. Because

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Speaker 1: we all grow up in a society that says, get

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Speaker 1: to um go and study from some teachers at a

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Speaker 1: then led me to start really looking into neural feedback.

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Speaker 1: And I'm so lucky that one of my best friends,

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Speaker 1: my my girlfriend Sam, is just as amped on this

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Speaker 1: her she's the researcher of the researchers, and she was

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Speaker 1: the one who found biocyber not. And then we became

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Speaker 1: so obsessed and we read everything we could find on

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Speaker 1: because I do have so many questions about consciousness, meditative states,

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Speaker 1: backwards because we're speaking about some pretty high science here,

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Speaker 1: and you mentioned meeting Dr Kamia, and I want to

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Speaker 1: were like as kids. I wonder, you know, were you

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Speaker 1: always into science as a young boy? You know who

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Speaker 1: Fun story, Um, when I was in second grade, I

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Speaker 1: Margaret Mead, the famous anthropologist, Yes, I do know about

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Speaker 1: And so that gave me some additional ability to sort

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Speaker 1: why do people fight over religion? Because essentially they all

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Speaker 1: And that really took me into studying so many other

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Speaker 1: So I walk into his office and he sees I'm different.

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00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 1: He goes sit down. So I sit down across from

431
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 1: and he takes his arm and sweeps everything off his

432
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 1: desk and goes like this. He says, Okay, tell me

433
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 1: what happened. And so for three and a half hours,

434
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 1: I'm giving him the details that are in that Tale

435
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,880
Speaker 1: of Self Discovery paper. And when I sit here, she smiles.

436
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 1: He says, we can do that here. And in that moment,

437
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,919
Speaker 1: I had a vocation. A vocation was installed. My vocation

438
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 1: is to bring everybody's inner into the outer, to help

439
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 1: people attain higher consciousness. It's not a job, it's not

440
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 1: a professional's not a career. It's a vocation and I

441
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 1: do it pretty much seven with a passion, as you

442
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 1: can tell. And I had just registered for grad school.

443
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,640
Speaker 1: They had a soundproof chamber there in the department, nobody

444
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 1: was using it, and a pile of old equipment which

445
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: I knew with my physics degree I could cobble together

446
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 1: and make a primitive brainway feedback system, and so that's

447
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: what I do. And it's so fascinating to me because

448
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 1: you you mentioned something as you tell the story. We're

449
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: talking deep physics, science of the brain, neural feedback, brain

450
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 1: waves that we make. You're talking about the experience that

451
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:52,719
Speaker 1: meditators have been having for you know, tens of thousands

452
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: of years, and you're talking about some of the science

453
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 1: about expansive consciousness that was discovered research around compounds like LSD,

454
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 1: which I have to admit I just had a conversation

455
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 1: with a friend about this the other day who said,

456
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: you know, you're so into expanded consciousness and and all

457
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 1: of these things and indigenous culture, and it's weird to

458
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: me that you've never tried LSD. And I was like, well,

459
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, LSD is like I I just

460
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 1: I'm so sensitive to things, and I think that it's

461
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: maybe not for me. You know, I think it's interesting

462
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 1: that the earth gives us things. You know, again, look

463
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 1: at tribal culture, look at the experience of you know, psilocybin,

464
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: the research coming out of an you know, organizations like

465
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 1: maps uh, beautiful Indigenous rites and ceremonies that exist with things, um,

466
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Speaker 1: you know, like ayahuasca. I have such deep perspect for those,

467
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 1: and I was like, I just don't know how I

468
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 1: feel about a compound that like somebody developed in a lab.

469
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: It's not natural. And the friend I was talking the

470
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:56,959
Speaker 1: friend I was talking to you said yes, it is.

471
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: What are you talking about? And I realized I was like,

472
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: oh my god. I guess just as a kid who

473
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: was always like really paranoid and maybe when I was

474
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: younger a little more judgmental of things that were quote experimental,

475
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: I kind of believed the hype that I'd heard. And

476
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 1: and so it's so interesting to me. I say all

477
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: of this only because I noticed that each of these things,

478
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 1: whether it's a compound, a meditation or spiritual practice, or

479
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: a deep scientific exploration like that of the brain waves,

480
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 1: they all lead, all signs point to the same road.

481
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: They all lead to an expanded consciousness that lowers anxiety,

482
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:45,239
Speaker 1: increases our feelings of connectedness with each other, and and

483
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 1: makes us more expansive human beings. And to me, what

484
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 1: that highlights, especially when science and spirituality overlap, is that

485
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: there's really a calling for us to learn these lessons,

486
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 1: and when it can be a scientific fick as the

487
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 1: work that you do, it like it spins. I feel

488
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: like my brain has gone in a blender in a

489
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: good way. Like I've been so whipped up and I'm

490
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: so excited about it. And and so when you talk

491
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Speaker 1: about you know, these beginnings building the first neural feedback

492
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: machine that you did, launching into this as your research

493
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 1: project to be as both scientific and expansive as possible, again,

494
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 1: big concepts. I'm sure that there's people at home listening

495
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 1: who are really excited right now, and also some people

496
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: who are like what and the how are these two

497
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: talking about? So I'm curious when when you look at

498
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Speaker 1: the landscape, especially for people who don't have the you know,

499
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: forty years of neural research that you do under your belt.

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00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 1: What what do you wish that people could know about

501
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: the brain? What do you what do you think that

502
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: What are some facts that you think maybe not everybody

503
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: knows but should Well let's start with a simple one.

504
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 1: I said it before, and we have actually trademarked this

505
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: phrase brain waves rule. Now, if somebody takes L S

506
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 1: D or alahuasca or EBL gain or philocybin, this is

507
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: going to change their brain waves. And that is what's

508
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: going to give them the altered state consciousness. If you

509
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: voluntarily turn on the brain waves of LSD, you will

510
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: have an LSD like experience. In fact, I know a

511
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Speaker 1: Danish researcher who has gone to Peru with a portable

512
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Speaker 1: e G measuring machine and he studied ahuasca rituals and

513
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 1: ayahuasca he said increases alpha at left and right accipital

514
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 1: and left and right central, which are exactly the locations

515
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: that we use for our alpha one brainwave training. And

516
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: it doesn't happen much anymore, but well into the nineties,

517
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 1: people would come out of the bile cyber now chamber

518
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: on day three or four and say, man, that was

519
00:32:56,280 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 1: better in my best acid trip. Because brain waves rule,

520
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: and anything that you do that gives you an experience,

521
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: whether it's sex or fasting or Sufi dancing or meditating

522
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 1: or taking plant medicine, it has an effect only if

523
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 1: it changes your brain waves, because brain waves rule. And

524
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 1: this allows you to put all these different methods. Because

525
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Speaker 1: the zen monk might look pretty down on taking ayahuasca

526
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 1: or LSD, and uh, somebody at a rave might be

527
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: pretty skeptical about sitting on a zafu zebulon for forty

528
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: years in order to get high. But they're all doing

529
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: the same thing. They're doing a method to change their

530
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 1: brain waves. Rain waves rule wow. So when we think

531
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Speaker 1: about the waves, brain waves can be so pleasurable and expansive.

532
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,479
Speaker 1: I also I am curious if you can give us

533
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: some of the science too to something I mentioned of

534
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 1: a little while back. You know, reading the Body Keeps

535
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: the Score really informed me about how whether trauma, whether

536
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 1: it's a traumatic experience or or a horrible memory. Um,

537
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,800
Speaker 1: the phrase goes, the neurons that fire together wire together.

538
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: So you have a traumatic experience, you fire these neural

539
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: pathways and then you begin to have a response anytime

540
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 1: something like that experience happens to you. That's where this

541
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 1: term being triggered by something you you know, let's say

542
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 1: that a woman has been unfortunately obviously a woman has

543
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: been sexually assaulted. When she experiences harassment or unwanted sexual

544
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 1: touching in a public place, those deep neural pathways of

545
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 1: trauma re fire and someone will say, hey, that wasn't

546
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 1: that bad, or calm down. But it's a deeper thing

547
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 1: that's being triggered. And for so many people they think

548
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: maybe it's you know, medication, antidepressants, talk therapy that I

549
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 1: have to do to get over something like this. But

550
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: neurons can actually be retrained out of traumatic pathways. Can

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00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: you explain to us how that works? Oh? Sure, I'd

552
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: love to. Well. As you know, we have these computerized

553
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 1: mood scales that people take several times a day while

554
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 1: they're wired. The brain webs are being recorded, and I

555
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 1: wrote this program many years ago, have upgraded it. It

556
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: allows me or other people leading the boss out of

557
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: not training to know what are the unconscious triggers for you,

558
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 1: what are the unconscious traumas and so with this added information,

559
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,399
Speaker 1: then you can be asked to talk about and see

560
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 1: if anything comes up. If you can't remember anything, then

561
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 1: you do an inquiry in the chamber where you at

562
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:52,720
Speaker 1: alpha show me everything I'm ready to know about this topic.

563
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: And then we have a fourteen step forgiveness method. So

564
00:35:56,239 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: if there was some sexual assault in the past, then

565
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 1: what you do is you bring up the perpetrator in

566
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: a courtroom with your three judges on impeachable high beings,

567
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 1: and you excuse that person and then you go you

568
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: spend an epic feeling the pain. So you reconnect with

569
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,280
Speaker 1: the pain. You know you've connected. If you're off of drops,

570
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:21,280
Speaker 1: the scores turn white. And then you begin the forgiveness process.

571
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: And one of the things to do is to ask first,

572
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:29,240
Speaker 1: decide to forgive, and then you walk in the persian's shoes,

573
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 1: you look through their eyes, and all of these things

574
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 1: will help you to forgive. Because in yoga, for example,

575
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: they talk about non attachment. It's important to be nonattached.

576
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 1: But I've learned that if you have not forgiven, you

577
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 1: cannot be unattached. Well, tell the story to illustrate. For

578
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 1: one year, I had a satellite operation in Raleigh, North Carolina.

579
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,879
Speaker 1: I've took some of my technology there and I built

580
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: a training center. While there, I trained a woman whose

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00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: father there was the head of a local Clue Klux

582
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: Klan group. Well, now, this woman came to training with

583
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: her therapist psychologists because she was not considered stable enough

584
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: to be out anywhere by herself. Starting when she was

585
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: three years old, her father began raping her on the altar,

586
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 1: and he would have the other clan members rape his

587
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 1: three year old daughter. This abuse was so horrific that

588
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: she fractionated into twelve multiple personalities. Some of the male.

589
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: When the abuse was coming, the little girls would run

590
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 1: back and hide, and the boys would come forward and

591
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:41,240
Speaker 1: handle the abuse. And there were I could tell many stories,

592
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: but I won't um. When she was fifteen, the boy

593
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 1: personalities gaged up and made her run away from home,

594
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 1: and the father pursued her. You know, you find out

595
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: where she was, he'd said, threatening letters, you have to

596
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: come back and serve the clan, because she didn't, And

597
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: so now she's in training. I didn't. All I knew

598
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 1: was she was a multiple. I didn't know any of

599
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: the details. And so on the morning of day three,

600
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 1: when Randy has put my technician is putting on the electrodes,

601
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: she tells me this story, and I go, well, obviously

602
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to forgive your father. Well, when I

603
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,919
Speaker 1: said forgive your father, she jumped out of her chair,

604
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 1: exploded in rage, shaking her fists and the yelling and screaming.

605
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 1: She turned beat red, and blood pressure was off the charts,

606
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: Adrenaline corters all coursing through blood, and I couldn't get

607
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: any word in edgewise because she's screaming so loud. Well,

608
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:36,359
Speaker 1: then she screamed out all her air and had to

609
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: like take a long breath life so she could holler

610
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 1: some more. And in that pause I quickly said, well,

611
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: I didn't say you should tell him. One of the

612
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:49,800
Speaker 1: person at lads thought that was funny, and she giggled.

613
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: And so now I had somebody to talk to her

614
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: and said, yeah, don't tell him. You forgive him. He'd

615
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 1: considered as a weakness, and so I don't want you

616
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 1: to forgive him for him. I want you to forgiven

617
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: for you. And so then we had a conversation and

618
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: she began doing the forgiveness work, and as she did,

619
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 1: that was day three. We had, you know, seven days

620
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: in the training. As she forgave her father, those altars

621
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 1: circled in and by the end of the week she

622
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: was one integrated human being. She was no longer a

623
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 1: multiple personality. Her psychologist, who was with her was like

624
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 1: jaw dropping, a gape she'd never seen or even thought

625
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 1: such a thing was possible. And then for years after,

626
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 1: on Mother's Day, she would call me and thank me

627
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 1: for having given birth to the integrated person that she

628
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 1: now was. Oh my god, that's so unbelievable, surprising, surprising,

629
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Speaker 1: and they incredibly surprising. And this is what I mean,

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00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 1: you know, when I when I left my first training,

631
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 1: you know, first and only so far, I just kept thinking,

632
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: if everyone had access to this, if this was part

633
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: of our rearing, if if this was part of school,

634
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 1: if you had an annual experience like this at school, this,

635
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 1: this would change everything about the way that we live,

636
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,879
Speaker 1: in the way that we exists, not only in our

637
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: own brains and bodies, but in society and to your point,

638
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 1: being in the neural feedback chamber, hearing hearing the brain.

639
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 1: First of all, it was crazy. The first time I

640
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 1: had your brain, I thought I was going to cry.

641
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 1: I was like, this is very emotional to a to

642
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: a person who loves science, I could cry. And and

643
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 1: these protocols were so specific and and something that I

644
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 1: found was this idea of of these judges, that that

645
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Speaker 1: each of us in the process of signs to kind

646
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 1: of be with us. I realized, um that the judges,

647
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 1: for me at least, felt like personifications of my deep

648
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 1: or knowing of my intuition, of my of of of

649
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: the things that I trust to be true, regardless of

650
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 1: my emotions at any state in my life. And and

651
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 1: so it was interesting because how many times have we

652
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 1: have we all ignored a feeling or perhaps gone against

653
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 1: our better judgment to you know, appiece, a group or whatever.

654
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: I remember the first time I asked, am I done forgiving?

655
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:31,720
Speaker 1: And I I had the experience of no, not yet.

656
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: I already knew the answer, and I knew that I

657
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: had more work to do, And and the and the

658
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: space in in the feedback experience was so cool because

659
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: I could see that I was doing the work. It

660
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:49,439
Speaker 1: wasn't just theoretical, it wasn't just an exercise. I got

661
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 1: to see that my brain was re creating a new

662
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 1: neural pathway. And it's to your point, it is a

663
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,919
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a trip. It is a profound experience,

664
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 1: and you realize how deeply important the ownership of our

665
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: emotions and the work on those parts of ourselves is

666
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: to the actual science of how our body functions. And

667
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 1: the brain is not going to work well. Yeah, and

668
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 1: in so many other avenues I'm curious about because you know,

669
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 1: you mentioned it a bit, and I'll walk the listeners

670
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: kind of through my experience when what you're discussing um

671
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: each of us who goes in for the program, and

672
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 1: I was there with my friend Sam, who I mentioned

673
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,760
Speaker 1: our our other friend Laura, who we've stayed in touch

674
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 1: with since our experience there. And then Linda was our

675
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: teacher at Biocybernot and every day we would do work

676
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: in the morning, we would learn about the brain. We

677
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:56,240
Speaker 1: would analyze our brain waves from from the day before.

678
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 1: It's very scientific, and then it's also the most intense,

679
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 1: amazing therapy you've ever done. You're talking about, you know,

680
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: these protocols about mood scales, about negative emotions, the ego,

681
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: forgiveness awareness. You're thinking, it's it's really profound. And then

682
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: we would go downstairs and we'd each go into our

683
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 1: own sound proof chamber to do the work. You're surrounded

684
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 1: by this incredible however, you guys did the speakers. It's

685
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: unreal because you're surrounded by enough sound that sounds like

686
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 1: you're inside of your own brand are Yeah, but I

687
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: mean you lose I remember I remember just losing any

688
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 1: awareness of kind of space. It was like I was

689
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 1: just floating in a room of sound that was coming

690
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 1: from everywhere. And we're going through these protocols. You're going

691
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 1: through work, and you've mapped the workout very specifically every

692
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: day that you're going to go in and do and

693
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 1: when you talk about the colors and the tones. So

694
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 1: the way it works listeners is that you see each

695
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 1: where each electrode is on the brain. You see the

696
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: number of of what the brain waves are doing in

697
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 1: that part. So you get a screen and it's got

698
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:10,800
Speaker 1: a bunch of numbers on it and they're always in

699
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 1: the same place. You can kind of see what your

700
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: brain is doing. And your brain, because it's hearing itself,

701
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: you're taking in your own brain waves as new auditory information.

702
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 1: So your brain is learning to make the sounds more coherent,

703
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 1: and you are learning about what it is you're doing

704
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: sort of intellectually and emotionally and spiritually that is actually

705
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 1: raising those brain waves. So every time the brain waves

706
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 1: are going up, you're getting these blue and green scores.

707
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 1: And then to your point, doctor Heart, when the scores

708
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 1: turn white, the the alpha is beginning to decrease. You've

709
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 1: finished a forgiveness, you've finished a task. The brain is

710
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 1: beginning to come down a little bit, and then you

711
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 1: work to take it back up and and it's it's

712
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 1: like the most aggressive mental gymnastics of we're done in

713
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: my life. Um that that was also the most rewarding

714
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: and I remember midway through the week, Sam looked at

715
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 1: me and she said, I don't know anyone else who

716
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 1: could do this, And I thought, yeah, I don't know

717
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 1: a lot of people who sign up for this. This

718
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 1: is so hard, but it's also so rewarding, and I

719
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 1: wish everyone would sign up for it. So that that's

720
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: kind of the the explainer. And then when we're talking

721
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: about making alpha, we're talking about increasing alpha waves. Now,

722
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:38,800
Speaker 1: what I learned at the institute is that beta waves

723
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: are kind of our doer waves. When we're texting, when

724
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,280
Speaker 1: we're responding to emails, you're like a little bit tense,

725
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 1: and you're working and you're problem solving, you're in a

726
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: beta and then from there we move up into alpha.

727
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: And this is the point where I'm going to stop

728
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 1: talking and ask you to explain to people what are

729
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 1: the next stages of brain waves, What does alpha mean,

730
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 1: and what come after alpha? Well, as you said, beta's

731
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: associated with doer, but also with irritation, annoyance, and even anger.

732
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 1: Uh and so uh. At one point, when I was

733
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 1: doing my large federal grant, the granting agency wanted me

734
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 1: to have some kind of sham feedback, and I said, well,

735
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 1: you can't have sham feedback because people will detect it

736
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 1: pretty quickly. I said, but if you want, I will

737
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 1: scale up beta waves because they're much smaller than alpha,

738
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 1: and I'll give people feedback on beta. And so for

739
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 1: the federal grant, in some of the conditions, people had

740
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: beta feedback and they hated it. They found that it

741
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 1: made them anxious and irritable and upset and they couldn't

742
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 1: wait for it to be over, whereas with alpha. Now,

743
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 1: alpha is a really interesting wave because it has one

744
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 1: foot in an ordinary, feminal world of creativity, and the

745
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: high i Q has another foot in the world of mystical,

746
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:05,320
Speaker 1: magical and transcendence, and so I can go back and forth,

747
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 1: whereas the deeper waves, like Theta is pretty much uh

748
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 1: just deep, and if you are in Theta, uh, you

749
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: don't have that much contact with the phenomenal world. When

750
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 1: I first started doing THETA trainings for the public, UH,

751
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: what we would do is we would confiscate people's car

752
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 1: keys and at the end of the day and the

753
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: days then we're shorter than they are now. The protocols

754
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 1: have evolved, uh, and we typically have dinner at the

755
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 1: end of the day because the days are longer, but

756
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 1: we would when people finish their data training. This was

757
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 1: that a favorite place in Palo Alto with a high

758
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:51,280
Speaker 1: end business park with little manicured, little grass covered hills

759
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,839
Speaker 1: and duck ponds. We would ask people to take their

760
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 1: shoes and socks off and go walk in the cool,

761
00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 1: wet grass until their pupil got smaller, and only when

762
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 1: their pupils got smaller would we give them their keys back.

763
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 1: Because when I trained my one and only business partner,

764
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 1: Foster Gamble, when he was first state of training, I said, now, Foster,

765
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 1: I'm going to have to follow you home every day

766
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:21,760
Speaker 1: after your training. And so he said, okay, fine. So

767
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 1: the second or third red light that he came to,

768
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 1: uh he uh sat there. Uh, the light turned green.

769
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: He sat there, the light turned red. I sat there,

770
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 1: light turned green, he said. He went through three cycles

771
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 1: of the light turning red and green and red and

772
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: green before he went off. Well, that's the kind of

773
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 1: place that people can get to in THETA where they're

774
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:50,399
Speaker 1: not really responsible, like to drive a car. So that's

775
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 1: why we would make sure that their pupils and were

776
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,720
Speaker 1: no longer dialated before we'd give them their car keys

777
00:48:56,760 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 1: back now in theda, we might say a little bit

778
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 1: about this data allows you to access the Acoshic records,

779
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 1: which is an energetic database of all knowledge that is, was,

780
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 1: or ever will be. At one point, Michael Ray, a

781
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 1: professor at Stanford who was friends with he spoke at

782
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 1: Mind Center several times. He wrote a book called Creativity

783
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 1: and Business, and in there he described how the titans

784
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:29,879
Speaker 1: of industry, the leaders of these amazingly powerful high tech corporations,

785
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 1: had gotten into trouble as kids in school for sitting

786
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 1: staring thoughtlessly and wordlessly out the window. They were in

787
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 1: a Theta trance. And so in data you can pull

788
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 1: in new knowledge that it's not known to you and

789
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:47,800
Speaker 1: maybe not even known to any human in your time period.

790
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 1: And so the data creativity allows you in data to

791
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,839
Speaker 1: solve problems that really can't be solved in your time

792
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 1: para because you don't have key information now and alpha

793
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:02,760
Speaker 1: creativity what you do is your brain goes out into

794
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 1: your storehouse of memory, maybe things that you forgot but

795
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:09,280
Speaker 1: you knew once, and it assembles things in a novel

796
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:12,760
Speaker 1: way to make the creative synthesis to solve the problem.

797
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 1: When I trained a group of Stanford Research Institute scientists.

798
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 1: We measured their creativity before and after the week of

799
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 1: Alpha training, and on average they went up fifty and

800
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:28,280
Speaker 1: some of them solve problems in the biosovern alpha chamber

801
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:31,240
Speaker 1: that they had been unable to solve for two years

802
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 1: of daily pounding their head against it in their labs.

803
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:38,320
Speaker 1: And so there's alpha creativity and then their state of creativity.

804
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 1: How is it that our brain waves impact our i

805
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 1: Q and our EQ, you know, our our intellectual intelligence

806
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: and our emotional intelligence. And why is it that on

807
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 1: average after people have done their first alpha training their

808
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 1: i Q goes up by over ten points? What is

809
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 1: the average of eleven point seven points? And it's stable

810
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 1: at least a year out, which is as far as

811
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 1: we've measured in well, at one point one one summer.

812
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 1: Everybody who came to do the trainee I gave him

813
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:10,279
Speaker 1: the Cofman adolescents and adult intelligence. This can be done

814
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: only one person at a time, and it takes four

815
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 1: hours because you give them tasks to do and they

816
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:18,359
Speaker 1: have to be timed with a stopwatch. And so it

817
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 1: has two main dimensions mathematical and logical intelligence and verbal intelligence.

818
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:30,319
Speaker 1: And both of these dimensions of intelligence increased rapidly and

819
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 1: UH in just a week, and then the the increases

820
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 1: were stable at least a year out. So both mathematical

821
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 1: like mathematic logical like you and verbal IQ go up.

822
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 1: It's so cool, it's just so cool. And when we

823
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 1: talk about measurement, you know, testing the i Q, something

824
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 1: that I think people at home who are wondering how

825
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:55,280
Speaker 1: you know the difference between brain waves might find interesting

826
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 1: is is that they exist on these frequency ranges of

827
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 1: hurts and alpha brain waves, for ample, exists between eight

828
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 1: and twelve hurts, so when eight and between eight and

829
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 1: eight and thirteen hurts. So we're when we're talking about

830
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: how you're measuring the brain waves, the the electrodes were

831
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:16,320
Speaker 1: hooked up to are constantly monitoring what hurts our brain

832
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:23,919
Speaker 1: is outputting. Now, a brain wave is an election, an

833
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 1: electrical impulse between neurons, and those things communicate actions, emotions,

834
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 1: and ideas. Which is why it's so fascinating to start

835
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 1: thinking about raising the brain waves, because we're raising the

836
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 1: frequency at which our ideas come to us. And to

837
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 1: your point, really high frequency ideas can be incredibly creative.

838
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:50,359
Speaker 1: Sometimes you'll hear an artist or a writer say this

839
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 1: came through me. I don't even know where this came from.

840
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 1: I was in flow and it just happened. It was

841
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 1: coming out of it was coming out of me. I

842
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 1: was writing it, I was singing it, whatever it might be.

843
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 1: And that's something that really interests me. Whenever I hear

844
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 1: an artist or a writer that I love now talk

845
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:09,760
Speaker 1: that way, I think, I wonder what hurts her brain

846
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 1: was and that happened. Well, what you have to get

847
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:17,720
Speaker 1: out of the way is the logical, analytical, and verbal mind,

848
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:21,400
Speaker 1: which you have to suspend beta in order to go

849
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:26,359
Speaker 1: into the creative alpha or the deeper state of data. Right.

850
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 1: So I'm curious when we think about what those increased

851
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:33,839
Speaker 1: alpha waves can do. We're obviously talking about a lot

852
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 1: of incredible creative flow. We're talking about kind of freedom

853
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 1: of ideas. We're talking about stunning spiritual experience and and

854
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:48,720
Speaker 1: at times psychedelic experience that can happen completely sober. I'm

855
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 1: curious also about the I suppose what we could say,

856
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 1: the things that fall under the practical application vertical, because

857
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 1: there is a direct correlation when you raise alpha to

858
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 1: reduction in anxiety and improvement in so many other areas

859
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 1: of psychopathology, and that increasing alpha reduces symptoms of even

860
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 1: you know, diagnosed general anxiety disorder. So why is that,

861
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 1: How how do our alpha waves work as being so

862
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 1: transformational for anxiety? Because I know as a person who

863
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:28,719
Speaker 1: struggles with anxiety, and I know so many people out

864
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 1: there in the world who are as well that that

865
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:33,439
Speaker 1: that was a really big draw for me to start

866
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 1: learning about this and studying the protocol. Well, I think

867
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 1: Cannon wrote a book called Wisdom of the Body, and

868
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 1: there is an incredible wisdom for health, healing, happiness that

869
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 1: is within our body brain system. But then you mentioned

870
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 1: the bad guy, a bad girl, the anxiety. Going all

871
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:59,760
Speaker 1: the way back to the eighteen nineties early studies in psychology,

872
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 1: we're able to show that anxiety impaired performance, whether it

873
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 1: was memorizing words or doing skilled tasks, or even your

874
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 1: speed in running. And so anxiety is uh something that

875
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 1: is best to reduce. And so it turns out that

876
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:23,879
Speaker 1: when alpha goes up, anxiety goes down. And it's both

877
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 1: kinds of anxiety. There's the transient of the moment anxiety

878
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:30,879
Speaker 1: called state anxiety, uh, and then there's the long term

879
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 1: dispositional like the personality characteristic that's called trade anxiety, and

880
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:39,800
Speaker 1: I published the paper in one of the two leading

881
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:44,279
Speaker 1: general science magazines in the world called Science, published by

882
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 1: the triboli as the American Association for the Advancement of Science,

883
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 1: demonstrating that if you take high anxiety people and you

884
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 1: teach them how to increase their alpha, both kinds of

885
00:55:56,800 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 1: anxiety go down trade anxiety and stay anxiety. Now, I

886
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 1: didn't know how long it lasted, but and there was

887
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 1: also an age factor, because women are more anxious than

888
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 1: men at every age. With age, anxiety increases in both

889
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:16,440
Speaker 1: men and women increases faster than women. So I figured

890
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 1: the most at risk group for anxiety would be older women.

891
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 1: So when I wrote the federal grant, I targeted on

892
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 1: women who were over sixty from sixty up into their

893
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 1: eighties and brought them in gave them the same personality

894
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:35,399
Speaker 1: tested we gave to the colleague age males who were

895
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 1: the pilot of research as James, and then we found

896
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 1: that not only did these elderly women have the same

897
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 1: range of benefits as the young men did when they

898
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:52,359
Speaker 1: increased their alpha, but I wrote into the grant six

899
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:56,279
Speaker 1: months follow up and twelve months follow ups so that

900
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 1: we would bring them back six months after their training

901
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 1: and retest them, and to our utter astonishment, they were

902
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 1: less anxious, and they were less depressed, and they were

903
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 1: less paranoid, and they were less casophrenic six months after

904
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:13,919
Speaker 1: the training than they were, and of course right after

905
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 1: the training they were less sudden they were at the start.

906
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 1: So we're while we're puzzling and over this, another six

907
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 1: months go by, We bring them back at twelve months

908
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:27,440
Speaker 1: and there are further improvements. And so we find is

909
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 1: that these benefits. The question that I had wanted to

910
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 1: ask is well, how long after the training did the

911
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 1: benefits were off? But what I found instead was that

912
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 1: at least out to a year that there are increasing

913
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 1: benefits coming to people. From what I had to figure

914
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 1: out them why, it was because they shifted how they

915
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 1: perceived themselves and reality and that led to all these

916
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 1: beneficial changes. Now they were also reversals in aging in

917
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:59,919
Speaker 1: the brain. As you know, alpha is eight to third

918
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 1: cycles per second, and most people, most adults center around ten.

919
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 1: Well from the point in time that hardening of the

920
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 1: arteries begins it's called athrosclerosis. From that point forward, the

921
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 1: frequency of the alpha waves slows by eight tens of

922
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 1: a hurts for every decade of life. So if this happens,

923
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 1: and depending on your your genetics, diet, lifestyle, this could

924
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 1: happen as early as the twenties, so in you know,

925
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 1: a couple of decades, people could be their alpha. You know,

926
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 1: once it slows, once it falls off the end below eight,

927
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:40,440
Speaker 1: it's not alpha anymore. It's then people enter sinescence or

928
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 1: sinility and usually die soon thereafter. But with this training

929
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 1: I mean, diet, exercise, meditation, all this can slow the

930
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 1: descent the most tim not training can reverse it. It

931
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 1: can actually reverse this important aspect of aging in the brain.

932
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 1: Not to indicate some stories about how important this is.

933
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 1: One of my dear friends and colleagues now departed was

934
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 1: Dr Charles L. Yager, and he was a now vanished

935
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 1: breed of professional called a clinical electro and cephalographer. He

936
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 1: could look at the twenty one channel polygraph chart of

937
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 1: brainwaves and make psychiatric diagnoses and so uh. In the

938
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:29,160
Speaker 1: mid nineties fifties, he was approached by the California State

939
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 1: Department of Mental Hygiene and they requested him to accept

940
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:35,440
Speaker 1: a grant. Now, as you know, that's not usually how

941
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 1: you get a grant, You fight and claw your way,

942
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 1: you know, to the goal. They went to him and say,

943
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 1: please accept this grant. What was the grant four? To

944
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:46,959
Speaker 1: set up e G recording labs in all thirty five

945
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 1: of the California state hospitals before Governor Reagan closed them

946
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 1: all down. It was a model system. And so every year,

947
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:57,720
Speaker 1: with a team of technicians, doctr Jegu would drive to

948
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 1: each one of these state hospitals, depend ending on the size.

949
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 1: He'd spent a few days or maybe more than a

950
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 1: week there and the technicians would go out into the wards,

951
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 1: bring the patients in, put electrodes on, run the polygraph.

952
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 1: Dr Yeager would look at the polygraphs and recommend changes

953
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 1: in their treatments, maybe different drug program, maybe different therapy,

954
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 1: or maybe even reese from the hospital. And so thirty

955
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 1: years he's doing that, and now he and I are

956
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:27,640
Speaker 1: sitting at launch It's and he tells me some stories

957
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 1: that never would make it into the science offic journals.

958
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 1: He said, you know, Jim, if there was a hundred

959
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 1: and three year old person and they had good alpha

960
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 1: in their record, I knew they would be alive when

961
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 1: I came back next year on the other hand of

962
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 1: it was a young person of twenty seven and their

963
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 1: alpha had diminished or was gone. He said, I would

964
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 1: say a very special goodbye to that person, knowing it

965
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:52,240
Speaker 1: was unlikely they would be alive when he came back

966
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 1: next year. So absence of alpha is an indicator of

967
01:00:56,200 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 1: imminently impending death, and we reverse that. So here's what

968
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 1: makes me curious, and I'm sure everybody who's listening is

969
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:12,000
Speaker 1: dying to know this. Literally is it? How can we

970
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 1: learn to create alpha waves? Because obviously it's one thing

971
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:17,040
Speaker 1: to be able to come to the institute for a

972
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:20,200
Speaker 1: week as I did, which was so amazing, and again

973
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 1: can't wait to come back. But what what can people

974
01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:28,720
Speaker 1: at home begin to do in the interim? Is there

975
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:31,520
Speaker 1: is there a way to learn to create alpha waves?

976
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 1: Is it possible for people to begin retraining their brains

977
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:38,280
Speaker 1: at home? And when I had read all the research

978
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 1: that had been published three times, I learned a lot

979
01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:47,120
Speaker 1: about what I call the natural reactivity of alpha. So

980
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:49,439
Speaker 1: there are things you can do? Now? The simplest one

981
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 1: word answer is meditate. Okay. Now, there's different styles of meditation.

982
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:57,440
Speaker 1: Some of them might work for this person and not

983
01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:01,200
Speaker 1: for another person. But in general, let me give you

984
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:04,920
Speaker 1: just some of the natural reactivity of alpha. You have

985
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:08,600
Speaker 1: more alpha when your eyes are closed, so don't even

986
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:11,640
Speaker 1: attempt to deal. Now, if you're in a business meeting

987
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:14,680
Speaker 1: and somebody has asked a difficult question, you might have

988
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:18,080
Speaker 1: seen people go, will let me think about and then

989
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 1: they come forth with a brilliant answer. What have they done?

990
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:24,600
Speaker 1: They've closed their eyes and they've given themselves gentle tactles.

991
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:29,640
Speaker 1: Stimulation will touch in and of itself if it's you know, pleasant,

992
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:35,280
Speaker 1: can increase alpha, whereas visual input or auditory input lowers it.

993
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:39,440
Speaker 1: Visual more than auditory and at vice Ivana, we use

994
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:44,160
Speaker 1: a particular tone range, which is has the minimal disruption

995
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:47,640
Speaker 1: of alpha for the feedback tones. So when when we're

996
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:52,040
Speaker 1: hearing feedback tones, when I'm in a chamber hearing my brain,

997
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:58,000
Speaker 1: did you you chose those tones scientifically? Incredible? Can you

998
01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 1: describe to people what they sound like? Bob Bob, Bob bob.

999
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:08,200
Speaker 1: It's an octave chord and uh, it's between four and

1000
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:11,720
Speaker 1: eight hurts because this is the tone range in which

1001
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:17,920
Speaker 1: tone onset has the most minimal influence on alpha. So

1002
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 1: the tones in and of themselves don't influence your alpha.

1003
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:24,480
Speaker 1: It's the information in them that you use. Well, we'll

1004
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:27,600
Speaker 1: let me describe a stream of consciousness. Okay, you're sitting

1005
01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:31,920
Speaker 1: there and there you're thinking, and the tones are quiet,

1006
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:35,480
Speaker 1: and then there's a moment where you stop thinking before

1007
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:37,320
Speaker 1: you go on to the next thought. In that moment

1008
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:39,840
Speaker 1: where you stop thinking, there's a little surge in the tones.

1009
01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:43,400
Speaker 1: Now if you notice it and go, what was that?

1010
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:46,600
Speaker 1: Now you're thinking and the tone is quiet, so you

1011
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:50,640
Speaker 1: relax and you attempt to stop thinking. And in the

1012
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:53,560
Speaker 1: moments where you're not thinking, where the mind is not

1013
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:58,120
Speaker 1: word generating, then the tones come louder. And when you

1014
01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 1: have repeated experiences of that, because the tones are adjusted

1015
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:06,760
Speaker 1: to track the amplitude of your alpha fifty times per second,

1016
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:10,680
Speaker 1: so it's essentially instantaneous. If you have a thought, the

1017
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:14,440
Speaker 1: tones drop immediately. If you pause in your thinking, the

1018
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:19,439
Speaker 1: tones increase instantly. And so this gives you feedback from

1019
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:22,919
Speaker 1: what you can learn very rapidly. Now, if you're doing

1020
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:25,880
Speaker 1: that on your own, you want to go to a

1021
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:30,520
Speaker 1: quiet place. You don't want distractions, you don't want uh,

1022
01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:34,440
Speaker 1: you know, a dog, you know wagging its tail against

1023
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:40,360
Speaker 1: your side, or you want you know no disturbance, um,

1024
01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:43,600
Speaker 1: and Uh, you want it to be dark, You want

1025
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:45,439
Speaker 1: to have your eyes closed, You want it to be

1026
01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:48,680
Speaker 1: as quiet as you can. Maybe put ear plugs in U.

1027
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:52,120
Speaker 1: There are Yogis in India who practice nod or sugardoga

1028
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:55,360
Speaker 1: who put bees wax in their ears to cut out

1029
01:04:56,040 --> 01:05:01,200
Speaker 1: the disturbances of sensory stimulation, and that way can focus within. Now,

1030
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:05,720
Speaker 1: Slowing your breathing helps a little bit. Uh. Anxiety is

1031
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:09,120
Speaker 1: characterized by shallow, rapid breathing. So if you can slow

1032
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:11,280
Speaker 1: you're breathing a little bit, make it a little bit deeper,

1033
01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:15,160
Speaker 1: not in any effortful way. This is not a gymnastics

1034
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:19,720
Speaker 1: of the lungs. You're just calmly gently slowing and deepening

1035
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:22,120
Speaker 1: you're breathing a little. All of these things will move

1036
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:25,560
Speaker 1: you into a slightly higher office state. I love that.

1037
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:28,000
Speaker 1: And then and then what you know, what would you

1038
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:33,320
Speaker 1: recommend to people so they're in a room preferably dark,

1039
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:40,280
Speaker 1: maybe with earplugs, slowing breathing, trying to detach from thought?

1040
01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:46,680
Speaker 1: Is there a is there a practice? Is there a

1041
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:51,120
Speaker 1: first sort of suggestion that you give to people who

1042
01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:55,000
Speaker 1: want to begin playing with their alpha at home? Well,

1043
01:05:55,080 --> 01:05:58,080
Speaker 1: if you're doing this alone rather than for example, out

1044
01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:00,160
Speaker 1: of bars, I'm not gener we have the feedback and

1045
01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:04,280
Speaker 1: a skilled trainer. I would focus on the positive. And

1046
01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:08,040
Speaker 1: so before you begin this exercise, make a list of

1047
01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:12,800
Speaker 1: things you're grateful for, Okay, because gratitude is a very

1048
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:18,080
Speaker 1: powerful healing energy. Speaking of healing, let me suggest, and

1049
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:22,960
Speaker 1: you know, in this time of you know, the pandemic,

1050
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:27,200
Speaker 1: it's useful to think of the immune system. And uh,

1051
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:31,760
Speaker 1: there are some uh some, there's some evidence to suggest

1052
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:36,360
Speaker 1: that alpha increases will improve your immune system. I know

1053
01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:39,880
Speaker 1: of a study done by a colleague where he took

1054
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:44,560
Speaker 1: AIDS patients. As you know, um under two under T

1055
01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:47,840
Speaker 1: cell counts of two hundred is when the opportunistic infections

1056
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:52,720
Speaker 1: start showing up. And so he took people who only

1057
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:56,320
Speaker 1: had less than two D cell counts and they had

1058
01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:59,480
Speaker 1: a week of alpha training, after which all of them

1059
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:03,240
Speaker 1: were over one thousand in their T cell comes. Okay,

1060
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:05,520
Speaker 1: now I tell you another study that was done, and

1061
01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:08,480
Speaker 1: this is inferential. Uh. There are two branches to the

1062
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:13,000
Speaker 1: immune system. One is the cellularly mediated immune system, which

1063
01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:16,880
Speaker 1: is T cells, B cells, helper cells, the macrophages. These

1064
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:18,720
Speaker 1: are cells that go out and gobble up the bad

1065
01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:23,040
Speaker 1: guys um. But there's also a humanly mediated part of

1066
01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:26,959
Speaker 1: the immune system that makes secretions that are either stimulating

1067
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:33,200
Speaker 1: to the immune cells or they actually induced processes that

1068
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Speaker 1: help with the handling the infection. And one of these

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01:07:38,080 --> 01:07:42,320
Speaker 1: aspects of the humanly mediated immune system is measured in

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Speaker 1: the saliva. It's called salivary immunoglobulin A. And so you

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01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:49,720
Speaker 1: can put a little piece of paper in the mouth

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01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:53,760
Speaker 1: and then test that much salivary immunoglobulin A is present.

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Speaker 1: And so they took colleage students, divided them into two

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Speaker 1: groups and tested their salivary you know, globulin A. And

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01:08:01,720 --> 01:08:04,480
Speaker 1: then they each of the two groups watched a movie.

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01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:09,760
Speaker 1: One watched an uplifting film about Mother Teresa and the

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Speaker 1: other watched a bloody gory film about Jenders con Well,

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01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:16,400
Speaker 1: guess what. Those who watched the bloody gory film, their

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01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:21,800
Speaker 1: immune system became impaired. Weekend, Those who watched the uplifting

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01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:25,880
Speaker 1: film by Mother Teresa, uh, their immune system the humor

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01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:30,679
Speaker 1: the humanly mediate salvery immuno globulon A component got stronger.

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Speaker 1: And so when you're doing the alpha training and reducing

1083
01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:38,120
Speaker 1: your anxiety. You could imagine that all those stressful things

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01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:41,599
Speaker 1: that you would have in spades watching the Jenders con

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01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:45,120
Speaker 1: film would be reduced, and all those uplifting things that

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01:08:45,320 --> 01:08:48,040
Speaker 1: happened in the Mother Teresa film, those you could be

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01:08:48,160 --> 01:08:53,160
Speaker 1: working on in your alpha training. That is so cool,

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01:08:54,479 --> 01:09:00,280
Speaker 1: That's so cool. How do you think, because to your paints,

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01:09:00,360 --> 01:09:03,160
Speaker 1: some of what we in take effects our brain waves,

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01:09:03,280 --> 01:09:11,440
Speaker 1: which affects our immune system. What what about technology regardless

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01:09:11,439 --> 01:09:13,280
Speaker 1: of even what we're looking at on a screen, but

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01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:16,560
Speaker 1: the screens themselves. Because when I came to the institute,

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01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:20,320
Speaker 1: you know, you're not allowed to have your phone. Um,

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01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:24,200
Speaker 1: all day we're without our phones, and you know, there

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01:09:24,240 --> 01:09:27,160
Speaker 1: were moments where Linda and I kind of made a

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01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:30,759
Speaker 1: plan for when I could leave myself some voice memos

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01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:32,400
Speaker 1: or go over and get it out of the drawer

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01:09:32,479 --> 01:09:34,360
Speaker 1: and take some notes so that I would be I

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01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:37,679
Speaker 1: would be well prepared for this, um, because I knew

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01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:39,479
Speaker 1: even then, I was like, I'm going to get doctor

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01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:43,920
Speaker 1: hard on my podcast if it kills me. Um. Why

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01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:47,600
Speaker 1: I'm just so happy. I'm so thrilled we get to

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01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:51,160
Speaker 1: hang out even though it's through a screen. Um. Why

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01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:53,800
Speaker 1: is it that at the center you're not allowed to

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01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:56,920
Speaker 1: have your phone. And and and for people who want

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01:09:56,960 --> 01:10:01,439
Speaker 1: to begin doing this alpha expansion at home, what should

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01:10:01,479 --> 01:10:07,439
Speaker 1: they do about technology? Oh? Well, some technology like air conditions. Fine,

1108
01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:11,120
Speaker 1: rather than being uncomfortable and sweating in the desert, you

1109
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:14,759
Speaker 1: run your air conditioner, but have it on automatic. Okay,

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01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:19,920
Speaker 1: But well, let's talk about phones, because phones do two things.

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01:10:20,120 --> 01:10:24,760
Speaker 1: One they tell you the time. The famous Suzuki Arociated,

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01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:30,200
Speaker 1: famous dynmaster said time is the basis of fear. If

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01:10:30,240 --> 01:10:33,479
Speaker 1: you think about it. If you think about it, are

1114
01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:37,599
Speaker 1: you is anything bad happening to you now? No? Well,

1115
01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:40,720
Speaker 1: then why are you afraid? Because some time in the

1116
01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:44,120
Speaker 1: future there might be something bad that happened. So I'm

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01:10:44,120 --> 01:10:46,800
Speaker 1: going to be afraid now. So if you take time

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01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:52,200
Speaker 1: out of it, there's almost no reason to be afraid. Okay,

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01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:55,800
Speaker 1: Time is the basis of fear, said Suzuki Roshi and

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01:10:55,920 --> 01:10:59,760
Speaker 1: Ramda's earlier said, if you want to live high, you

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01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:03,160
Speaker 1: have to live outside of time. It doesn't me ignorant

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01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:07,000
Speaker 1: of time, but not in time. In fact, the type

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01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:10,600
Speaker 1: a personality, if they have a sense of cynicism and

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01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:14,599
Speaker 1: time urgency, it's almost like a death sentence. They drop

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01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:18,880
Speaker 1: like flies from heart attacks and stress related diseases. Time

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01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:24,760
Speaker 1: urgency and cynicism, which are both anti alpha or you know,

1127
01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:31,920
Speaker 1: alpha antagonists are associated with early mortality, especially in type

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01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:36,000
Speaker 1: A people, And so you want to avoid cynicism. That's

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01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:39,760
Speaker 1: why I said, go into gratitude when you're doing your homework,

1130
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:43,840
Speaker 1: go into gratitude. And it could be you know, like

1131
01:11:45,160 --> 01:11:49,080
Speaker 1: I am holding a pen and uh, like I really

1132
01:11:49,200 --> 01:11:52,280
Speaker 1: like this blue, and so I could go into a

1133
01:11:52,360 --> 01:11:56,519
Speaker 1: felium gratitude. Oh my god, I'm so grateful that I'm

1134
01:11:56,560 --> 01:12:00,280
Speaker 1: able to experience such an incredibly wonderful blue, this blue.

1135
01:12:00,360 --> 01:12:03,599
Speaker 1: I really I'm so grateful for being able to perceive.

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01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:07,200
Speaker 1: You can make gratitude out of anything, and so I

1137
01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:11,840
Speaker 1: recommend that you do it because it's alpha Jannic. Okay,

1138
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:16,479
Speaker 1: so make avoid time. Uh and in your cell phone.

1139
01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:20,360
Speaker 1: The cell phone connects you to time. It's most people's watch. Um.

1140
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:23,080
Speaker 1: But the other thing is and I'll tell you a

1141
01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:27,519
Speaker 1: little study. Uh. There was a study done where pairs

1142
01:12:27,560 --> 01:12:30,679
Speaker 1: of strangers were sat together in a very small room

1143
01:12:31,160 --> 01:12:35,200
Speaker 1: that had two chairs close together and a small table.

1144
01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:42,280
Speaker 1: And uh, they were told to tell this stranger two stories.

1145
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:46,960
Speaker 1: One was something superficial that had happened to them recently. Oh, well,

1146
01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:49,160
Speaker 1: I was in line at the supermarket and the lady

1147
01:12:49,200 --> 01:12:51,280
Speaker 1: behind me dropped a jar of mayonnaise and some of

1148
01:12:51,320 --> 01:12:55,120
Speaker 1: the mayonnaise out of my right shoe. Okay, something superficial.

1149
01:12:55,760 --> 01:12:59,599
Speaker 1: Then they're also supposed to tell the person something really

1150
01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:02,879
Speaker 1: me meaningful that happened to them, something that was important

1151
01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:05,760
Speaker 1: to them. It could have been years ago. Uh. And

1152
01:13:06,439 --> 01:13:09,040
Speaker 1: then each person took turns, and then at the end

1153
01:13:09,479 --> 01:13:13,439
Speaker 1: they were separated and they were asked to say how

1154
01:13:13,560 --> 01:13:17,559
Speaker 1: connected the other person felt to them when they were talking. Well,

1155
01:13:17,720 --> 01:13:21,120
Speaker 1: there were two groups. The only variable in this study

1156
01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:22,840
Speaker 1: was a book on the table or a cell phone

1157
01:13:22,840 --> 01:13:25,800
Speaker 1: on the table. Now, the presence of a book or

1158
01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:29,280
Speaker 1: cell phone made no difference in the superficial story, but

1159
01:13:29,439 --> 01:13:32,400
Speaker 1: it made a big difference in the meaningful story. When

1160
01:13:32,479 --> 01:13:36,400
Speaker 1: people were telling people that this stranger something meaningful that

1161
01:13:36,520 --> 01:13:38,840
Speaker 1: happened to them, if there was a cell phone on

1162
01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:41,479
Speaker 1: the table, they felt the stranger was not as interested

1163
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:45,760
Speaker 1: as not connected to them, wasn't paying attention, and so

1164
01:13:46,200 --> 01:13:48,720
Speaker 1: that didn't happen if it was a book. So the

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01:13:48,840 --> 01:13:53,320
Speaker 1: researchers hypothesized that the presence of a cell phone even

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01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:57,160
Speaker 1: not theirs reminded them of the larger audience of people

1167
01:13:57,240 --> 01:14:00,280
Speaker 1: that they could be in touch with, reduced seeing the

1168
01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:03,000
Speaker 1: amount of attention they had available for the live person

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01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:06,280
Speaker 1: right next to them. So back when I used to

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01:14:06,360 --> 01:14:09,000
Speaker 1: go to restaurants, if I had I wouldn't want to

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01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:10,519
Speaker 1: sit on my cell phone. I wouldn't want to have

1172
01:14:10,600 --> 01:14:12,880
Speaker 1: it next to my body, so I would put it

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01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:15,320
Speaker 1: on the table or on the bench, but I would

1174
01:14:15,400 --> 01:14:19,000
Speaker 1: cover it with a napkin. So yes, we confiscate cell phone,

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01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:20,360
Speaker 1: lets give them back to the end of the day,

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01:14:21,400 --> 01:14:24,840
Speaker 1: because we don't want people concerned with time, and we

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01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:28,080
Speaker 1: also want them to be disconnected from the wider world

1178
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:31,960
Speaker 1: and just focus inward on themselves, which we get to

1179
01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:37,560
Speaker 1: zoo so rarely. There were some other restrictions at the

1180
01:14:37,640 --> 01:14:43,080
Speaker 1: institute which were surprising to me, um some more so

1181
01:14:43,240 --> 01:14:45,639
Speaker 1: than others. I wasn't so surprised that we weren't meant

1182
01:14:45,680 --> 01:14:48,280
Speaker 1: to drink any alcohol during the week that we do

1183
01:14:48,439 --> 01:14:52,240
Speaker 1: the training. We couldn't have caffeine, which, let me tell

1184
01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:54,519
Speaker 1: you something, is a person who really loves her morning

1185
01:14:54,520 --> 01:14:57,120
Speaker 1: cup of coffee is hard. But I will tell you

1186
01:14:57,240 --> 01:14:59,519
Speaker 1: that since bio cyber not I never have more than

1187
01:14:59,560 --> 01:15:01,400
Speaker 1: one cup of coffee a day anymore, and I used

1188
01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:05,519
Speaker 1: to have five. WHOA good for you? So that's a

1189
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:09,479
Speaker 1: big change. And you don't You didn't want us eating

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01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:12,160
Speaker 1: which as again as an Italian person, is a little

1191
01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:14,759
Speaker 1: hard for me. You didn't want us to eat garlic

1192
01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:18,280
Speaker 1: or onions. Can you run me through why those four

1193
01:15:18,439 --> 01:15:22,639
Speaker 1: things are restricted? Well? You trained in my center in Canada.

1194
01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:27,240
Speaker 1: I did, yeah, in Victoria, beautiful Victoria. There we had

1195
01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:31,080
Speaker 1: the privilege of training on a scholarship provided by Canadian

1196
01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:35,760
Speaker 1: philanthropists over two hundred Canadian Aboriginal people who had been

1197
01:15:35,880 --> 01:15:39,920
Speaker 1: terribly abused by the racism of particularly the residential school

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01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:44,400
Speaker 1: systems which ran up until I heard I heard about

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01:15:44,439 --> 01:15:47,000
Speaker 1: this work that you did. I really was just as

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01:15:47,160 --> 01:15:49,640
Speaker 1: as an activist, I was really heartened by that. I

1201
01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:51,680
Speaker 1: thought it was a beautiful thing that you did for

1202
01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:54,240
Speaker 1: first nations people we were so least to be able

1203
01:15:54,280 --> 01:15:56,280
Speaker 1: to do. I made some lasting friendships and in fact,

1204
01:15:56,320 --> 01:15:59,200
Speaker 1: I was adopted into the Cree Indian nation as a

1205
01:15:59,240 --> 01:16:02,200
Speaker 1: result of doing that work. And so one of the

1206
01:16:02,280 --> 01:16:05,400
Speaker 1: first people to train was a very famous Indian chief,

1207
01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:10,120
Speaker 1: chief Victor Buffalo Uh. He was head of the four

1208
01:16:10,439 --> 01:16:14,960
Speaker 1: Cree Indian tribes at Habima um and Uh. After he

1209
01:16:15,040 --> 01:16:17,960
Speaker 1: had done because he was on scholarship, he didn't and

1210
01:16:18,040 --> 01:16:20,160
Speaker 1: he was close to the sponsors who he did Alpha

1211
01:16:20,240 --> 01:16:22,559
Speaker 1: one and two and three in Alpha four and Theta

1212
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:26,000
Speaker 1: one and two. And after he had done his Alpha four,

1213
01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:28,120
Speaker 1: he came to me. He said, Jim, I have a confession.

1214
01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:33,719
Speaker 1: He said, of course I discontinued onions and garlic before

1215
01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:36,639
Speaker 1: my Alpha one, but after my Alpha one I went

1216
01:16:36,720 --> 01:16:39,920
Speaker 1: back to eating onions and garlic. But he said, after

1217
01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:42,800
Speaker 1: I did my Alpha two, I wiped them out of

1218
01:16:42,920 --> 01:16:47,000
Speaker 1: my life completely and forever, because now my consciousness had

1219
01:16:47,120 --> 01:16:49,320
Speaker 1: risen to the point I could feel what it was

1220
01:16:49,479 --> 01:16:55,560
Speaker 1: costing me to eat onions and garlic. Now, most meditative

1221
01:16:55,600 --> 01:17:00,600
Speaker 1: traditions banned the meditators from eating onions and garlic. In

1222
01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:05,240
Speaker 1: the Indian ones, they say it creates a ragostic temperament uh.

1223
01:17:05,840 --> 01:17:10,160
Speaker 1: The temperaments are three uh Thomas, which is a principal

1224
01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:15,800
Speaker 1: ignorance or inertia, Rajas was his principal ego activity and willfulness,

1225
01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:19,920
Speaker 1: and Sata, which is the principle of enlightenment. And so

1226
01:17:20,760 --> 01:17:25,720
Speaker 1: they say that the the Indian meditative teachers say that

1227
01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:31,559
Speaker 1: onions and garlic uh increase rajas, making you more willful,

1228
01:17:31,720 --> 01:17:35,040
Speaker 1: making you more filled with ego, making you well, you know,

1229
01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:37,800
Speaker 1: you say, being Italian, you know, there's this joke that

1230
01:17:37,880 --> 01:17:40,000
Speaker 1: if you tie in the Italian's hands behind their back,

1231
01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:44,479
Speaker 1: they can't talk. Well. Some of that agitation comes from

1232
01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:48,679
Speaker 1: eating onions and garlic. In fact, I tell a personal story.

1233
01:17:49,479 --> 01:17:52,680
Speaker 1: You've been in my home and training center in Victoria,

1234
01:17:53,400 --> 01:17:56,280
Speaker 1: uh and about once a year I would invite one

1235
01:17:56,360 --> 01:17:59,320
Speaker 1: of my computer programmers to come from Eastern Canada. He

1236
01:17:59,479 --> 01:18:04,600
Speaker 1: lives in uh Nova Scotia UM near New Brunswick, and

1237
01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:07,439
Speaker 1: UH I would invite him to come and spend a

1238
01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:10,839
Speaker 1: month or so to do upgrades to the mood Scale program.

1239
01:18:11,320 --> 01:18:13,960
Speaker 1: I originally wrote it, but I've had it. We've had

1240
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:16,800
Speaker 1: other languages, and so every time, you know, we had

1241
01:18:16,880 --> 01:18:19,000
Speaker 1: a new language, and he has to come and put

1242
01:18:19,080 --> 01:18:22,040
Speaker 1: in all the words and the definitions and language files

1243
01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:26,000
Speaker 1: and things. And his name is Alan, and he's a geek.

1244
01:18:26,120 --> 01:18:29,679
Speaker 1: It's a wonderful computer programmer. And he's also very shy,

1245
01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:33,640
Speaker 1: and so he lives with his elderly mother. And the

1246
01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:36,720
Speaker 1: first night he gets there, UH, he goes well, Jim,

1247
01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:39,120
Speaker 1: you know, my mother's elderly and she lives alone. Would

1248
01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:41,639
Speaker 1: you mind terribly if I would call her? And I'd

1249
01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:44,719
Speaker 1: go into this story and say, well, Alan, yes, anytime

1250
01:18:44,760 --> 01:18:46,639
Speaker 1: you want to call your mother. I have a phone

1251
01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:49,599
Speaker 1: service here where you can call anywhere North America for free.

1252
01:18:49,680 --> 01:18:52,000
Speaker 1: So any time you want to call your mother. So

1253
01:18:52,120 --> 01:18:55,920
Speaker 1: he calls his mother. Next day, he comes to me humbly, Jim,

1254
01:18:56,840 --> 01:18:59,360
Speaker 1: I know that I call my mother yesterday, But would

1255
01:18:59,360 --> 01:19:01,120
Speaker 1: you mind terrible me if I would call her again?

1256
01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:03,920
Speaker 1: And I would go through this, you know, every day

1257
01:19:04,120 --> 01:19:05,720
Speaker 1: for you know, if he's there a month, we would

1258
01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:08,479
Speaker 1: repeat this every day. He humbly comes and asked for

1259
01:19:08,760 --> 01:19:12,400
Speaker 1: permission to call his mother. Okay, So on this particular trip,

1260
01:19:12,479 --> 01:19:14,840
Speaker 1: he's there for about ten days. I set him up

1261
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:17,640
Speaker 1: in the living room with a desk, and he had

1262
01:19:17,680 --> 01:19:20,040
Speaker 1: brings his own computer, give him a printer and everything

1263
01:19:20,120 --> 01:19:24,880
Speaker 1: he needs. And so I get up and he's at

1264
01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:28,080
Speaker 1: work already, and I go and say good morning to him,

1265
01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:33,960
Speaker 1: and uh, he's like a lion. He's all right, Helen.

1266
01:19:34,280 --> 01:19:36,320
Speaker 1: I don't know what's gotten into. This is too early.

1267
01:19:36,439 --> 01:19:38,040
Speaker 1: I can't deal with it. I'm going to go out

1268
01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:41,519
Speaker 1: in the kitchen and have a smoothie. So I make

1269
01:19:41,560 --> 01:19:43,560
Speaker 1: it smoothie and I look out at the forest. You

1270
01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:47,840
Speaker 1: know how beautiful it is there. And uh, twenty minutes later,

1271
01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:53,360
Speaker 1: I go back to see him and he's like, Dalan,

1272
01:19:53,479 --> 01:19:56,080
Speaker 1: I don't know what's gotten into you. I'm gonna go

1273
01:19:56,160 --> 01:19:58,840
Speaker 1: downstairs and get some cank and water. So I go

1274
01:19:58,920 --> 01:20:01,439
Speaker 1: downstairs to the same where the king and water machine is,

1275
01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:04,360
Speaker 1: opened the cupboards. There's no glasses, so I go have

1276
01:20:04,479 --> 01:20:06,360
Speaker 1: to go to the kitchen. I opened the kitchen door

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Speaker 1: and I'm bowled over by the smell of garlic. Well,

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Speaker 1: it's totally forbidden for people to bring garlic onto the property.

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Speaker 1: If they have garlic in their car, they have to

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Speaker 1: park up on the road, say with alcohol. It's not

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Speaker 1: allowed to be brought onto the property. And so he

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Speaker 1: had brought it on the property. He had cooked it,

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Speaker 1: he had eaten it. So you know, I go intern

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Speaker 1: all along fans and closed doors, and I go upstairs

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Speaker 1: and I'll go, Ellen, did you have garlic? And he's Wilson,

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Speaker 1: very humbling, and so one garlic meal transformed this meat

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Speaker 1: mile mannered geek from oh do you mind terribly like, oh,

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Speaker 1: my mother to are like that one garlic meal. Now

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Speaker 1: we we send out to our trainees, they report on

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Speaker 1: how garlic is a brain poison. Where people were studying,

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Speaker 1: I think it was people in slight training, military flight training,

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Speaker 1: and they'd go out, they'd measure their brainways and everything.

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Speaker 1: They go out and they'd have you know, Italian pizzas

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Speaker 1: loaded with garlic for lunch, and they'd come back and

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01:21:10,200 --> 01:21:13,519
Speaker 1: their alpha waves would be lower. And so I have

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Speaker 1: personal experiences that I mean, I don't even need research studies.

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Speaker 1: Once one time in Sedona, we had a lovely couple come.

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Speaker 1: The man was a very mild mannered head of a foundation,

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Speaker 1: a research foundation, and as we went through the training,

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Speaker 1: he started to custom swear and it got so bad

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Speaker 1: that one of my technicians, who was working with his wife, said, Jim,

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Speaker 1: I can't I can't be around this person. I can't

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Speaker 1: have my wife hearing all these swear words. And so I,

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Speaker 1: you know, I noticed it, but you know I'm forgiving,

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Speaker 1: and I was overlooking. So I said to I said

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Speaker 1: to them, you know you've been going out to have

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Speaker 1: breakfast at restaurants before coming for training. Did you have

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Speaker 1: any No, No, we've been very careful, no I needs.

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Speaker 1: They said, I noticed you've been snacking on buffalo jerky.

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Speaker 1: What's in that? And they said, well, they looked at

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Speaker 1: number one ingredient, buffalo, number two ingredientssault number three ingredient garlic,

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01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:13,960
Speaker 1: and so over a couple of days of just eating

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01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:17,439
Speaker 1: a little buffalo jerky, this mild mannered man had gotten

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01:22:17,479 --> 01:22:20,560
Speaker 1: to cussing and swearing so bad that my technician was

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01:22:20,640 --> 01:22:24,639
Speaker 1: about to not show up for work. Wow, I wonder

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01:22:25,520 --> 01:22:27,519
Speaker 1: because in in some of what I read that you

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01:22:27,600 --> 01:22:30,000
Speaker 1: sent along, it talked about the heat that it creates

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01:22:30,040 --> 01:22:33,960
Speaker 1: in the brain. The the idea is that and this

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Speaker 1: was from an article that I read in the Journal

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Speaker 1: for the Study of Consciousness where what the researcher did

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01:22:42,600 --> 01:22:45,120
Speaker 1: was it looked at all the molecules that had any

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Speaker 1: kind of psychedelic effect LSD, psilocybin, dimethyl trip to mean,

1323
01:22:50,160 --> 01:22:52,360
Speaker 1: you know, all of them, and they all had a

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Speaker 1: structure where there was an atom in the molecule that

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01:22:56,200 --> 01:22:58,479
Speaker 1: was unstable. It bounced back and forth. Well, when an

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01:22:58,520 --> 01:23:00,720
Speaker 1: atom bounces back and forth, it's not like a ping

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01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:04,960
Speaker 1: pong ball bowing bowing point. It's like, you know, really

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Speaker 1: high frequency. So I took this article to an organic

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Speaker 1: chemist at my university, and I said, could you tell

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Speaker 1: me the frequency at which these atoms are resonating? And

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Speaker 1: he had one of these little green bankers hats and

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Speaker 1: he was using a slide rule, and you know, he

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01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:25,760
Speaker 1: did like forty five minutes of calculation and then his

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Speaker 1: head came out. He pushed up his little green brim

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01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:30,960
Speaker 1: hat and he said, I think they're all in the

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Speaker 1: thermal range. And that a light bulb went off in

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Speaker 1: my head. Okay, So if all of these psychedelic molecules,

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Speaker 1: which included onion, the garlic, having one of these structures,

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Speaker 1: if they go to a certain part in the brain

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Speaker 1: when they're metabolized and breakdown, what they would do is

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01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:49,880
Speaker 1: they would release a little thermal energy. Well, you know

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Speaker 1: that neurofunction. You know what happens in a fever, right,

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01:23:54,400 --> 01:23:57,719
Speaker 1: you get delirious. Well, if you have a localized fever

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Speaker 1: in some area where this particular side pedelic molecule breaks down,

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Speaker 1: you're going to have like for example, with lsd UM,

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01:24:06,120 --> 01:24:09,479
Speaker 1: they did a study with cats. Now, if you go

1347
01:24:09,640 --> 01:24:12,160
Speaker 1: for a hearing test, they tell you to push a button.

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01:24:12,240 --> 01:24:14,600
Speaker 1: If you hear a tone, you can't. You can't do

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01:24:14,720 --> 01:24:16,720
Speaker 1: that with a little kittie. But what they did was

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Speaker 1: they put a small needle electrode into the cochlear nucleus,

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Speaker 1: which is a way station between the hearing mechanism of

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Speaker 1: the ear and the higher hearing centers of the brain.

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01:24:26,200 --> 01:24:30,280
Speaker 1: So if the ear, the kitty's ear, resolved acoustic energy

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Speaker 1: into neural energy, you would see activity in the cochlear nucleus.

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01:24:34,520 --> 01:24:37,559
Speaker 1: So then they measured how faint a sound the kiddies

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Speaker 1: could hear. Then they gave him a very tiny dose

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Speaker 1: of LSD one microgram per telegram. You know, for seventy

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01:24:45,320 --> 01:24:48,320
Speaker 1: kilogram mail, they'd be seventy micrograms. Whole kids were taking

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01:24:48,320 --> 01:24:50,760
Speaker 1: a thousand or two thousand micrograms, so this is a

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Speaker 1: very tiny dose. It caused a fall in the auditory threshold,

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Speaker 1: the full odor of magnitude. The kiddies could hear sounds

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Speaker 1: ten times fainter because LSD apparently was stimulating some area

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Speaker 1: in the brain to work more effectively. Was it an hallucination, No,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't an hallucination. It was something that was below

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Speaker 1: the level of hearing. In fact, I want to go

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01:25:14,040 --> 01:25:18,519
Speaker 1: sideways here. You know about the Salem witch trials. Okay,

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01:25:18,760 --> 01:25:22,000
Speaker 1: that was traced by a scientist to be a case

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Speaker 1: of LSD poisoning. Do you wear that? It's here, here's

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Speaker 1: the story. You know. LSD is created by the fungus.

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Speaker 1: Ergo that grows on rye has to be damp, damp rye,

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Speaker 1: the grain rye. So it's completely natural. I mean, you

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Speaker 1: can make it in the lab, but you take rye,

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Speaker 1: let it get damn. Ergot grows on it. The ergot

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Speaker 1: fungus producers LSD well, so they had good records of

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Speaker 1: the women, what houses they lived in, The women that

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Speaker 1: were burned as witches in the Salem witch trial. They

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Speaker 1: those houses were served by a farmer who had a

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Speaker 1: farm and right down by the river, so the land

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Speaker 1: was damp. He grew rye, and the year before had

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Speaker 1: been very wet and so his ride didn't dry properly,

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Speaker 1: So it was wet, obviously was moldy and rye, and

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Speaker 1: the right fungus urgan grew on it. Now only nobody

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Speaker 1: who wasn't served by that farmer, because they knew which

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Speaker 1: houses that farmer provided rye to. Those were only the

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Speaker 1: houses that the women were Now the men probably you

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Speaker 1: know Back in those days, men didn't talk much, so

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Speaker 1: you know, if a man was having ecstatic mystical vision,

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Speaker 1: it wouldn't say, but the women would talk about it,

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Speaker 1: and they would be called witches, and the piece scared

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Speaker 1: their neighbors. And so the Salem witch trials was caused

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Speaker 1: by LSD poisoning by eating rye that came from this

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Speaker 1: farmer whose land was down near the river the year

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Speaker 1: after a particularly wet year. What I mean, God, that's

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Speaker 1: a surprising whist. What what would you say when we

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Speaker 1: start talking about finding access? And I'm sure there's so

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Speaker 1: many people who are going to go and read everything

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Speaker 1: available to them on the bio Cybernaut website. After listening

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Speaker 1: to this conversation, I always like to think about where

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Speaker 1: people might be starting. Are there are there small steps

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Speaker 1: that you would say, listeners at home can begin taking

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01:27:23,880 --> 01:27:28,120
Speaker 1: daily to have healthier and more productive brains. Are there

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01:27:28,160 --> 01:27:31,920
Speaker 1: are there beginning kind of instructions that you give to people. Well,

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01:27:32,680 --> 01:27:34,639
Speaker 1: I have a book called The Art of Smart Thinking,

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01:27:35,880 --> 01:27:39,040
Speaker 1: more than a dozen chapters, and so that's a wonderful

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01:27:39,240 --> 01:27:43,000
Speaker 1: way to begin. It's available on Amazon uh and it's

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01:27:43,040 --> 01:27:47,000
Speaker 1: also available from bio Cybernaut and we are going to

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Speaker 1: be starting a webinar where I will give a master class.

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01:27:51,720 --> 01:27:54,040
Speaker 1: We don't know we'll do it weekly or bi weekly,

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01:27:54,120 --> 01:27:57,040
Speaker 1: but it will be a ninety minute class where each

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01:27:57,200 --> 01:27:59,760
Speaker 1: class will be on one of the chapters from the

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Speaker 1: will start with chapter one, and we'll go through and

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Speaker 1: the assignment will be to read that chapter, and then

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Speaker 1: I'll come on and talk, and then we'll have at

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Speaker 1: least half an hour, if not longer afterwards for questions.

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Speaker 1: So it'll be an interactive opportunity. That's so cool. It's

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Speaker 1: like a masterclass and a book club all in one.

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Speaker 1: I my favorite question, and it is my my final

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01:28:26,760 --> 01:28:28,760
Speaker 1: question that I like to ask everyone who comes on

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01:28:28,840 --> 01:28:32,240
Speaker 1: the podcast, is the following. You know, the show is

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01:28:32,320 --> 01:28:35,080
Speaker 1: called work in progress, and I'm curious when you hear

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01:28:35,160 --> 01:28:38,840
Speaker 1: the phrase, whether it's something personal or professional, what what

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01:28:39,040 --> 01:28:40,840
Speaker 1: comes up for you? What feels like a work in

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01:28:40,920 --> 01:28:43,959
Speaker 1: progress in your life right now? Oh, it's so wonderful.

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01:28:44,200 --> 01:28:48,080
Speaker 1: Let's talk generally and then will come up personally. Okay.

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Speaker 1: One of the people who signed on July fourth, seventeen

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Speaker 1: seventy six, who signed the Declaration of Independence and eternal

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01:28:58,520 --> 01:29:02,799
Speaker 1: vigilance is the price of liberty, and so the freedom

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01:29:02,880 --> 01:29:07,719
Speaker 1: the growth of our consciousness requires that we consider ourselves

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01:29:07,920 --> 01:29:12,480
Speaker 1: always a work in progress. We are a work in progress,

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01:29:12,880 --> 01:29:16,840
Speaker 1: and that work, eternal vigilance, is surprised of liberty. For

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01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:18,960
Speaker 1: us to continue to be free in our minds, for

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01:29:19,080 --> 01:29:22,439
Speaker 1: us to continue to grow, we have to consider that

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01:29:22,560 --> 01:29:24,320
Speaker 1: we are work in progress and we have to be

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01:29:24,439 --> 01:29:31,280
Speaker 1: doing the work. Yes, oh, Dr Hart, I love that. Yeah,

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01:29:32,520 --> 01:29:35,960
Speaker 1: I love that so much. Now that said it would

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01:29:35,960 --> 01:29:39,120
Speaker 1: start generally, but then I personally. There are several works

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01:29:39,320 --> 01:29:43,760
Speaker 1: in progress, um, and one of them is growing out

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01:29:43,880 --> 01:29:49,439
Speaker 1: of our Every Sunday Power Intention webinar, where we're doing

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01:29:49,560 --> 01:29:53,240
Speaker 1: Every Sunday a webinar. In fact, we just got it

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01:29:53,360 --> 01:29:58,320
Speaker 1: on Facebook last Sunday. We've had some technical difficulties, but

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01:29:59,280 --> 01:30:02,320
Speaker 1: what we're doing is bringing people together to use the

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01:30:02,479 --> 01:30:07,519
Speaker 1: power of our shared intention to transform the coronavirus into

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01:30:07,720 --> 01:30:14,200
Speaker 1: something that is beneficial to all humans and no longer harmful,

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01:30:15,000 --> 01:30:19,799
Speaker 1: and also so that anybody infected is quickly, uh fully

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01:30:19,960 --> 01:30:23,360
Speaker 1: and permanently healed. So we're doing that, but what we're

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01:30:23,400 --> 01:30:26,680
Speaker 1: wanting to do then is to expand that out so

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01:30:26,920 --> 01:30:30,360
Speaker 1: that people came and we've had one person already request

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01:30:30,439 --> 01:30:34,559
Speaker 1: a private intention, So I and others of the team

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01:30:34,760 --> 01:30:37,759
Speaker 1: got lecturers on we went into the chamber. This person

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01:30:38,080 --> 01:30:43,200
Speaker 1: had written a very detailed intention and we did a

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01:30:43,280 --> 01:30:48,680
Speaker 1: full half hour of intention to bring that about. Uh.

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01:30:48,840 --> 01:30:51,519
Speaker 1: Kind of like a wish tank instead of a think tank,

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01:30:51,960 --> 01:30:54,400
Speaker 1: we're a wish fulfilment tank. So that's one of the

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01:30:54,439 --> 01:30:58,720
Speaker 1: things we're working on expanding that. Uh. We're also and

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01:30:58,840 --> 01:31:02,599
Speaker 1: this was actually something that I almost got going four

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01:31:02,720 --> 01:31:07,400
Speaker 1: years ago, which are month long uh like meditation retreats

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01:31:07,439 --> 01:31:10,759
Speaker 1: here at bos Avena where people would come for three

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01:31:11,080 --> 01:31:14,439
Speaker 1: trainings in a row, separated only by you know, the

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01:31:14,840 --> 01:31:20,040
Speaker 1: few days for rest uh And uh So the idea

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01:31:20,120 --> 01:31:23,960
Speaker 1: that people could do in spiritual intensives go in and

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01:31:24,120 --> 01:31:26,760
Speaker 1: we can accommodate people who want to do one month,

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01:31:26,840 --> 01:31:30,120
Speaker 1: two months, or even three months. Uh. And there would

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01:31:30,160 --> 01:31:36,200
Speaker 1: be also spiritually uplifting educational videos that would be shown

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01:31:36,280 --> 01:31:39,280
Speaker 1: to people along the way. But that's another work in

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01:31:39,360 --> 01:31:43,960
Speaker 1: progress to develop a very intensive form of the training.

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01:31:44,560 --> 01:31:49,680
Speaker 1: And then for me personally, I'm exploring new forms of

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01:31:49,840 --> 01:31:53,280
Speaker 1: feedback things that you know, we're not ready to release

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01:31:53,360 --> 01:31:56,040
Speaker 1: to the public yet, but this is how things have

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01:31:56,200 --> 01:32:00,280
Speaker 1: come forward. You know, I would do deep dated training

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Speaker 1: and I you know see how uh you know how

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Speaker 1: test to deliver it, and then we'd open it to

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Speaker 1: the public. Same with the delta trainings. The delta trainings

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01:32:08,760 --> 01:32:13,320
Speaker 1: are by invitation only because they can prefer cities. And

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Speaker 1: so we're exploring, like now, I'm right, I'm exploring alpha

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01:32:18,640 --> 01:32:23,560
Speaker 1: delta training, doing simultaneous alpha so that that keeps the

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Speaker 1: brain uh in a relatively alert alpha state while also

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01:32:28,520 --> 01:32:32,120
Speaker 1: running delta waves. Would you come from different generators, so

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01:32:32,160 --> 01:32:34,040
Speaker 1: it should be possible. When we're finding that it is

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01:32:34,120 --> 01:32:40,840
Speaker 1: possible to do this, so cool, we're kind of so excited. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited for all that's to come and all

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01:32:44,960 --> 01:32:47,400
Speaker 1: the good you're doing for the world. And I can't

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01:32:47,439 --> 01:32:49,120
Speaker 1: tell you how grateful I am that you're doing so

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01:32:49,240 --> 01:32:54,000
Speaker 1: much work to make this technology and these opportunities more

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Speaker 1: accessible to everyone. Thank you so much for the dedication.

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Speaker 1: You're so welcome. It's my vocation. M hm. Yes, indeed,

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Speaker 1: what a joy. It's it's it's just such a pleasure

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Speaker 1: to talk to you. Thank you for today with This

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Speaker 1: show is executive produced by me Sophia Bush and sim Sarna.

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Speaker 1: Our associate producer is Cait lin Lee. Our editor is

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Speaker 1: Josh Wendish, and our music was written by Jack Garrett

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Speaker 1: and produced by Mark Foster. This show is brought to

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