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Speaker 1: Hope you're ready for a great summer weekend. NBA season

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Speaker 1: is in the books, and so is the NBA Draft. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I find it hard to find a heart

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Speaker 1: there's a young man I got a chance to work

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Speaker 1: with as a consultant two years ago. Javon Small drafted yesterday.

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Speaker 1: He was at West Virginia. Year before that he was

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Speaker 1: at Oklahoma State from South Bend, Indiana. Just just a

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Speaker 1: But you know, what did we really gain from less

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Speaker 1: having a second day of an NBA draft? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but we do have lots to talk

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Speaker 1: about and some interesting topics. So Cooper Flag as we

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Speaker 1: told you he is. Look, he's kind of the great

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Speaker 1: White Hope, a American born white player that is the

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Speaker 1: number one pick in the NBA draft, and like we

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Speaker 1: can dance around it. But generally American born players that

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Speaker 1: all been either a black or mixed race. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's just the reality of it. The guys with the

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Speaker 1: have not. So it adds to the intrigue. I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to sit here and deny that. It adds to

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Speaker 1: the intrigue of the I just wonder Larry Bird said

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Speaker 1: black man's game. But I always find it interesting on

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Speaker 1: how people try and combined the women's game in the

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Speaker 1: men's game and ESPN, well they do it. They do

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Speaker 1: their thing. And there's a radio host, by the way,

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Speaker 1: on the sports side as well. He's done both. And

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Speaker 1: his names but Peter Rosenberg, and he was on First

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Speaker 1: Take today and here's what he said about Cooper Flag

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Speaker 1: in comparison to Caitlin Clark.

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Speaker 2: We're all adults. We can have a real life conversation.

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Speaker 2: Last time I checked, we still live in America, right.

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Speaker 2: Cooper Flag is a white guy, maybe the best white

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Speaker 2: American prospects since Larry Bird. Right, Let's not act as

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Speaker 2: if we don't live in America. We're not seeing what's

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Speaker 2: happening with Caitlin Clark in the WNBA. Cooper Flag is

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Speaker 2: going to be an instant impact player in the NBA.

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Speaker 2: I think Danny will agree, he is ready to go.

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Speaker 2: That kid could play right now if he's nearly as

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Speaker 2: good as people expect. I think when it comes to intrigue,

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Speaker 2: no one's going to be more intriguing get more eyeballs

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Speaker 2: than what Cooper Flag's doing in Dallas.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so there's a lot to ingest there. The idea

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Speaker 1: what does that exactly mean? I think he's going to

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Speaker 1: I think you know that's a team where again they'll

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Speaker 1: the discussion I want to have is not about Cooper Flag.

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Speaker 1: because what was not so subtly said there by Peter

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Speaker 1: Point is that it's not just one factor. It's a

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Speaker 1: Is there a curiosity towards it? Maybe, But in the

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Speaker 1: I think then she win four titles at UCUNN. So

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Speaker 1: M mmmmmmmm. So I was, uh, I'm watching last night

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Speaker 1: This year, through seventy nine games, he has thirty two

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Speaker 4: Let's see these combined factors. He's a catcher. Catchers always

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Speaker 6: I think really just me trying to be consistent at

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Speaker 5: How often do you go up to the plate trying

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Speaker 7: I am not predicting the fall off, and maybe I

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Speaker 8: I really didn't know about that, and you know, all

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Speaker 1: Yeah again. And I was under the impression that Safeco

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Speaker 7: Have they is is that interest.

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Speaker 7: I thought you were talking about the home run derby

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Speaker 8: Yes, it was not a Safeco field from nineteen ninety

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I actually I thought, man, I mean that's

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Speaker 4: Generally considered it a picture of Lee Park. And they

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Speaker 1: It's the worst park in baseball per what I'm I'm

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Speaker 1: Gary Sanchez, that's right, Gary Sanchez. He had like twenty

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Speaker 1: And they and he wears down. Now you do have

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Speaker 4: to impress. I would have just said, but I'm trying

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Speaker 4: to impress Moni sal He had forty eight. But that's

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Speaker 4: very misleading because sal petis he played a lot of

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Speaker 4: first base and DH. So it's like technically he's the

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Speaker 4: catcher that has that record, but he he split time

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Speaker 4: playing other things and that and Rawley's been doing the

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Speaker 4: same thing. Rawley's got at least twenty games at DH.

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Speaker 4: That'll help him. Will Smith has to catch or he

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Speaker 4: doesn't play.

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Speaker 1: Something cool about being a catcher, right, I was a

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Speaker 1: catcher when I was when I was a kid, and

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Speaker 1: then as I when I got to high school, they

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Speaker 1: wanted me to play like second base and third base

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Speaker 1: and stuff, you know, like, oh you got good hands

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Speaker 1: as a catcher, but you're too little. I was really

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Speaker 1: little growing up. And not that I'm some gigantic dude now,

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Speaker 1: but back then, catchers were always like six two six

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Speaker 1: three six four, and I was I was nowhere near

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Speaker 1: that when I entered high school. But there's something really

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Speaker 1: cool to have in that gear and kind of walking

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Speaker 1: out doing your John Wayne walk out. You know, somebody

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Speaker 1: else catches the first couple of catches and warm ups,

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Speaker 1: then you get out, you got the mic, and then

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Speaker 1: you throw it coming down.

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Speaker 8: You're like the you're you're, you're living, You're you have

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Speaker 8: a relationship with the picture. You know, you talk, you

455
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Speaker 8: could cool down, you know you, Yes, you have to

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Speaker 8: give them a little some words of wisdom, like, hey,

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Speaker 8: maybe just change this up so the yeah, definitely.

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Speaker 1: Hey, we're good, we're good. We're good. We're good. Here,

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Speaker 1: we're good. Here hight breathe, breathe. But you have you

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Speaker 1: have relationships with everybody there. Right, It's a it fit

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Speaker 1: me because it's a talker's position. You talk to them,

462
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Speaker 1: You talk to posey hitters, you talk to your you

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Speaker 1: talk to your picture.

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Speaker 7: You know, just track them.

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Speaker 1: Hey you got two two coming down?

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Speaker 4: Two but that's why there aren't many catchers in the

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Speaker 4: Hall of Fame. There aren't many productive hitting catchers in

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Speaker 4: the history of the game, because not only is the

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Speaker 4: the weather wearing you down at a tough position every

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Speaker 4: day where you're squatting thousands of times a day, and

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Speaker 4: then you have to have all this stuff in your head.

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Speaker 4: Most of your focus has to be on handling the rotation,

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Speaker 4: knowing each pitcher's strength, and knowing every hitter strength. Like,

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Speaker 4: there's so much going through the mind of a catcher.

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Speaker 4: It's shocking that there's ever a catcher that has a

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Speaker 4: productive offense. But that's what kind of makes this guy's

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Speaker 4: season amazing. Will Smith is having a great.

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Speaker 7: Season and Cal Rawly has fourteen homers at home eighteen

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Speaker 7: on the very good nice stat Yeah, nice good stat.

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Speaker 1: How many games he played at home? How many games

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Speaker 1: he playing the rud.

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Speaker 4: I would say equal just a guess, just throwing that

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Speaker 4: out there, guessing.

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Speaker 7: Well, away he's at home, he's had one hundred and

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Speaker 7: forty at bats. Away, he's had one hundred and fifty five.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you said fourteen more opportunities, but that's phenomenal.

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Speaker 1: It's yeah, basically even although at those numbers, he's probably

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Speaker 1: hitting the home run every fourteen or so at bats, right,

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Speaker 1: so that should be one more and it's at four more.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, the the the thick Seattle air.

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Speaker 4: Doesn't he also have the name that you would expect

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Speaker 4: to be like one of the lower level acts at

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Speaker 4: stage coach.

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Speaker 1: Cal Raley totally cal Raley. Cal Raley sings My nightmare

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Speaker 1: was her honeymoon. I don't know. Guys name Morgan, Morgan Wall,

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Speaker 1: Margan Wall.

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Speaker 4: And cal Rawley opened for him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Monster, you do you enjoy country music? I? I do,

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Speaker 1: but it's not that's a no.

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Speaker 7: I I do, but I you know, it's not my

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Speaker 7: It's not what I'm running to.

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Speaker 1: That's a no. It's okay to say it's not my jam,

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Speaker 1: but but I don't. For example, for example, Riley Green

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Speaker 1: is tomorrow night in Milwaukee. It's Summerfest. If anybody knows

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Speaker 1: anyth about Wisconsin, Summerfest is everything. Okay. When I say

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Speaker 1: Riley Green, are you like, do you know who that is?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 7: I assume it's a baseball player. Initially, okay, I thought

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Speaker 7: you were like, oh okay, I thought you was a

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Speaker 7: musical artist.

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Speaker 1: I was like no, no, no, no, no, cal Raley actually

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Speaker 1: plays tomorrow night in Milwaukee. Honestly, Riley Green could be

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Speaker 1: an SEC football player, you know, probably what probably quarterback, right, man,

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Speaker 1: you see Riley Green play for the Gators. I like that.

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Speaker 1: I like that kid. He can really throw. Now, Riley

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Speaker 1: Green is a super hot country musician. When I say

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Speaker 1: he is, he's a good looking man as well. But

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Speaker 1: I said hot, it's more a very popular yes. And

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Speaker 1: he's got like he's he's got he's known for. I

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Speaker 1: think he may have shaved it, but he had like

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Speaker 1: a he had a magnum p I mustache.

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Speaker 7: I will listen to.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, mister Green. You know, cal Raley's opening.

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Speaker 1: Stuck Out lip Show Fox Sports Radio. So Big Ben's

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Speaker 1: kind of he's kind of figured out this podcast stuff. Right,

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Speaker 1: do lists talk about big names? Get yourself in the mix.

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Speaker 1: My guess is big Ben Roethlsberger wants to be on TV.

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Speaker 1: And here's how he's gonna here's how he's gonna do it.

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Speaker 1: I don't know whether his early career off field stuff

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Speaker 1: ends up keeping him from doing that. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: but he's on a podcast called Football and with Ben Roethlisberger,

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Speaker 1: he made this declaration.

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Speaker 9: Well, I would take Aaron and his prime over Patrick

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Speaker 9: Now I think, I think, yeah, I think Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 9: at his prime was one of the top few to

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Speaker 9: ever do it. And so with Patrick Mahomes his prime,

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Speaker 9: Patrick Mahomes is just just by entering out of his prime.

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Speaker 5: I think.

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Speaker 1: That's a fascinating discussion. It's a fascinating discussion Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 1: or Pat Mahomes. Aaron Rodgers in his prime over Pat Mahomes. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I again, I don't have Here's what I've said about

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. There's boxes that you have to check, and

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Speaker 1: most guys are missing something right, Like if you want

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Speaker 1: to say Tom Brady, like Tom Brady was not athletics,

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Speaker 1: so if you could get to him at his feet,

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Speaker 1: so he didn't move the way Aaron moved, didn't move

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Speaker 1: the way air moved. Steve Young got hurt a lot.

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Speaker 1: I guess that's the You know, when Steve Young went

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Speaker 1: through a period of time early in his career, wasn't

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Speaker 1: very good, went to the USFL, you know, was a backup,

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Speaker 1: earned his way back in and then became a Hall

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Speaker 1: of It was amazing. And Steve Young, I feel like

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Speaker 1: probably gonna go down as one of the best quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: to never to be in that discussion when he played,

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Speaker 1: and never be in that discussion since Peyton Manning. Not

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Speaker 1: a great arm, nimble into pocket, obviously not out of

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Speaker 1: the pocket, unbelievable quarterback, not a great arm, made it

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Speaker 1: work anyway, played indoors or an altitude. Not a great arm.

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Speaker 1: So they all have something. Damn Reno completely immobile and

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Speaker 1: had to play in the shotgun a bunch because of

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Speaker 1: that mobility, and they never had a running game. But

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Speaker 1: part of the reason they never had a running game

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Speaker 1: was he couldn't be under center and also didn't win enough.

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Speaker 1: Now you could say the same thing about Rogers, but

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of NSC championship games, a couple of

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Speaker 1: Super Bowls. Was do you lose the Super Bowl? Definitely

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Speaker 1: won a Super Bowl sins, But if you want to

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Speaker 1: go through the boxes, you got to check, right, does

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Speaker 1: he have the arm strength yes, accuracy yes, mobility sure,

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Speaker 1: brain yes, leadership I think the answer is yes, I

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Speaker 1: would say the one thing that would be missing. And

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Speaker 1: here's where we all have blind spots, right, we all

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Speaker 1: have blind spots. I think Big Ben, by the way,

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Speaker 1: was elite, elite, elite, but sometimes you have a blind

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Speaker 1: spot for likability. And Aaron wasn't unlikable like Erin. If

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Speaker 1: you get to know him, great dude. A lot of

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Speaker 1: guys really like him. But it's not like he's close

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Speaker 1: with a lot of guys. It's not like there are

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Speaker 1: people trying to kill themselves to be Aaron's guy and

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Speaker 1: Aaron's supporter, whereas Mahomes and others they have this it's

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Speaker 1: almost like they're a politician where they just win. If

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Speaker 1: you sit down with him, you're like, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: are we best friends? He has that, but he also

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Speaker 1: can turn it off a lot quicker than they don't

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Speaker 1: turn it off. Let's welcome in Mark dominic. Of course,

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Speaker 1: he was a you got a manager of the Tampa

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Speaker 1: Bay Buccaneers. He's worked everywhere in professionals football, ain't joined

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Speaker 1: just his weekly visit here on the Doug Gallic Show

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Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio, big Ben said, Prime Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 1: over Prime Pat Mahomes, what do.

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Speaker 5: You think, Oh, I don't think he's far away as

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Speaker 5: great as Patrick Mahomes is. I think because we've been

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Speaker 5: a little bit further removed from what we remember Aaron

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Speaker 5: Rodgers being that maybe we're not remembering prime Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 5: has been saying, like, I mean I dealt with Baron

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Speaker 5: you know, a couple of times specifically in his career

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Speaker 5: that was GM when Aaron was going equipped not forty

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Speaker 5: touchdowns and having like five or six interceptions a season.

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Speaker 5: So it was painful. You know, I think I think

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Speaker 5: Ben's fair. I don't think it's a It's not like

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Speaker 5: some absurd statement. I look at it that way. You know,

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Speaker 5: there's a guy that Aaron when I was a GM

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Speaker 5: and dealing with him, he was completing sixty seven sixty

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Speaker 5: eight summer. I think that the kind of percentage is

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Speaker 5: going well over four thousand yards, and he was the

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Speaker 5: poster child for like touchdown to interception Raytiow. I mean,

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Speaker 5: he was the best. And so I don't think that's

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Speaker 5: a sarch statement. Is as great as you know, obviously

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Speaker 5: Patrick's have been.

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Speaker 1: Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. There is

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Speaker 1: a there is a factor though, and again, I wasn't

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Speaker 1: in the Packers' organization, and I think some of how

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Speaker 1: we view it now is how it ended, not how

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Speaker 1: it was during the during the meat of those years

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Speaker 1: where he had a lot better relationships I think with teammates.

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Speaker 1: But there is a certain likability factor that you have

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Speaker 1: to have at quarterback, is there not.

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Speaker 5: Yes, I think it's very I mean, I do think

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Speaker 5: it's important, but I don't think that the guys like

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Speaker 5: I don't remember guys in Green Bay, like you know,

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Speaker 5: the old school receivers are you know driver But also

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Speaker 5: you know, obviously Dante. No one never spoke ill of

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Speaker 5: Aaron I know, since I think the media didn't like

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Speaker 5: him or something like some people had to part. I'll

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Speaker 5: remember players like ever coming out and Saybody, this guy's

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Speaker 5: a jerk.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, it's it's he wasn't unlikable. But I

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Speaker 1: don't know if they loved him. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: it was the same. I again could be wrong, and

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Speaker 1: a lot I think some of it is outsider to

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Speaker 1: the main years, and it changes over time. And of course,

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Speaker 1: you know when you bounce team to team here late

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Speaker 1: in your career, some of that stuff changed as well.

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Speaker 1: Mark Domini, our guest. You're on the Doug Outlet Show

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Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio. I'm intrigued by Kayleb Williams. You know,

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Speaker 1: he's Jason Stewart, who I know you talked to. He's

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Speaker 1: our producer here. I love the analogy that he uses.

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Speaker 2: It.

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Speaker 1: It's basically like the spouse or boyfriend that gets caught

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Speaker 1: cheating and is always having to gravel right. He's always

644
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Speaker 1: and because they got him on tape saying I want

645
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Speaker 1: to be a Viking, I don't want to play. It's

646
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Speaker 1: like he's over the top in the Oh my god,

647
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Speaker 1: this is the greatest thing ever. So where are you

648
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Speaker 1: on Caleb Williams on the likelihood of a more successful

649
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Speaker 1: second year in his career.

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Speaker 5: I think you know and you remember, and we talked

651
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Speaker 5: about last year. I liked Caleb Williams, but I wasn't

652
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Speaker 5: the number one to Caleb Williams guy. I just felt

653
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Speaker 5: like he thought it was gonna be easy and things

654
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Speaker 5: were going to come naturally, and it was just gonna

655
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Speaker 5: be like I'm gonna walk to the NFL and own

656
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Speaker 5: this thing, and it's just not like that. That's that's

657
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Speaker 5: how this league works. It's certainly very hard to do that. However,

658
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Speaker 5: that all being said, I think the Bears have done

659
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Speaker 5: a tremendous job of improving that offensive line. I think

660
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Speaker 5: a lot of us kind of forget that Caleb Williams,

661
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Speaker 5: you know, did have a good season, except he's the

662
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Speaker 5: number one pick and so you're holding him to a

663
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Speaker 5: different standard, right. I think that that's the hard thing

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Speaker 5: for him when you kind of look at what is

665
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Speaker 5: expected out of him versus what he delivered, you know,

666
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Speaker 5: more touchdowns. Certainly, I think everybody would want to see

667
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Speaker 5: that or expect that from Caleb Williams, and I think

668
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Speaker 5: we'll see that this year again. Protections everything, and you know,

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Speaker 5: you want to see the biggest jump of any NFL

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Speaker 5: player from like year one to year two. Think of

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Speaker 5: Trevor Lawrence. He was if you want to compare a

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Speaker 5: first overall pick and how he did. Trevor Lawrence was

673
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Speaker 5: terrible then his first year. I mean he threw what

674
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Speaker 5: twelve touchdowns, eight seventeen or eighteen interceptions versus twenty and

675
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Speaker 5: six for Caleb Blames. So there was good things there.

676
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Speaker 5: It's just that Jayden Daniels was wow. And I think

677
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Speaker 5: that kind of hurt the look of Caleb. Hopefully he's

678
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Speaker 5: grown up through this. I think he will improve this year.

679
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Speaker 5: I still don't know if he's going to get it

680
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Speaker 5: and understand exactly what you're talking about. Aaron rodg is

681
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Speaker 5: how to become more of a genuine likable guy by

682
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Speaker 5: the things that come out of his mouth sometimes.

683
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Speaker 1: Steut Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's the

684
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Speaker 1: voice of Mark Dominic, long time in the NFL, most

685
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Speaker 1: notably a gentle manager with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Okay,

686
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Speaker 1: so then you go to Minnesota, a team that they've

687
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Speaker 1: had back to back starting quarterbacks who have left on

688
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Speaker 1: back to back years. But they put up gar ganst

689
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Speaker 1: you in numbers, gark Gansuan numbers, and the thought is, man,

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Speaker 1: you got a former quarterback who's a play color. He

691
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Speaker 1: got skilled position guys everywhere. But now you have JJ

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Speaker 1: McCarthy who hasn't played a snap and he's played in

693
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Speaker 1: college with a highly conservative system. How do you think

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Speaker 1: they bring him up to speed in real time?

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Speaker 5: I don't think it's going to be as hard as

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Speaker 5: I think people think. You know, thankfully, JJ did get

697
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Speaker 5: to play in one preseason game and got to throw

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Speaker 5: the ball around a little bit before. You know, obviously

699
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Speaker 5: the does the injury. The one thing even in the preseason,

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Speaker 5: in the one game he played, one thing that's really important.

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Speaker 5: He took zero sacks and that's a big deal for

702
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Speaker 5: a young quarterback. You know that that he's got the

703
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Speaker 5: awareness to know to get the ball out of his

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Speaker 5: hands and not take the negative play. And he did

705
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Speaker 5: a good job in that. And that was you know,

706
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Speaker 5: you can't really judge a lot off the preseason, but

707
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Speaker 5: at least can just shudge decision making in poise and

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Speaker 5: JJ showed that. And now with an offseason of you know,

709
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Speaker 5: being able to really dig into the book really to

710
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Speaker 5: understand what's expected to watch it from the field is tough.

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Speaker 5: But I think he's going to have a lot of

712
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Speaker 5: success because again, I think he's got the charisma it part,

713
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Speaker 5: but I also think he's got the mental acuity that

714
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Speaker 5: you're looking for at quarterback where he makes the right

715
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Speaker 5: decision with the football. Will there be some up and down,

716
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Speaker 5: of course, he's JJ McCarthy. He's going to be in

717
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Speaker 5: his quote unquote rookie season or his first year to

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Speaker 5: actually play. But I'm not surprised if Vik's handed them

719
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Speaker 5: the ball and said go get this because they had

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Speaker 5: the confidence to draft them more they did. And you know,

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Speaker 5: I think that they've seen a lot of him, probably

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Speaker 5: over the last couple of weeks, but also before the injury.

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Speaker 5: They were probably wowed by him by what he was doing,

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Speaker 5: you know, within the organization before he got banged up.

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Speaker 1: Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. I love

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Speaker 1: the Patriots higher, I just do. But what does that

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Speaker 1: look like on the field considering the competitiveness of that division?

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Speaker 5: Uh, you know, you know, I love Brabel, I like

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Speaker 5: I like the people within the front office. I like

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Speaker 5: the coaching staff that they've got together. I think they're

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Speaker 5: going to be good. The problem is the roster still

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Speaker 5: too far away for that division. They're still you know,

733
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Speaker 5: they're fighting I think for third place at best, even

734
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Speaker 5: though Brabel has done a great job with you know,

735
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Speaker 5: some teams that may not have had as much talent.

736
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Speaker 5: But I do think that it's a good team. But

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Speaker 5: they are at least one, if not two seasons away

738
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Speaker 5: from really being competitive with the even the Dolphins. And

739
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Speaker 5: I don't say that in a bad way of the

740
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Speaker 5: Miami Dolphins. I think if they can have to a

741
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Speaker 5: first season, they should be a playoff team, but certainly

742
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Speaker 5: they're not near where the Bills are right now. And

743
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Speaker 5: from just a pure talent standpoint, I think they're trying

744
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Speaker 5: to get there. They'll slowly get there, but the skill position,

745
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Speaker 5: the skill players just to me still aren't at the

746
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Speaker 5: level that we see other teams in that division that

747
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Speaker 5: they have, and that I think that's going to hold

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Speaker 5: him back.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, probably will, probably will hold about what about the Chiefs.

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Speaker 1: You know, Mahomes has just figured out a way to

751
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Speaker 1: get it done, and you know, the last two Superols

752
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Speaker 1: they've been in, We're like, wow, this is the least

753
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Speaker 1: talented they're going to be. What have they done to

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Speaker 1: their talent base?

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Speaker 5: Well, I think one thing that's big, and then I

756
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Speaker 5: don't think of people really, you know, it's it's been

757
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Speaker 5: a very tumultuous time for his career. But she writes

758
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Speaker 5: coming back is a big deal, like he was really

759
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Speaker 5: breaking out and the player that I think everybody in

760
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Speaker 5: Kansas hoped you'd be, and certainly within the front of.

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Speaker 1: This as well.

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Speaker 5: And now him coming back is going to be a

763
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Speaker 5: big bolst to that offense where you've got the guys

764
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Speaker 5: who can vertically. Hollywood Brown and Zavier Worrith they can

765
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Speaker 5: go vertical, but Rashie Rice can do everything underneath. That's

766
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Speaker 5: a huge deal. My big concern about the Chiefs and

767
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Speaker 5: I love I love the pick of Josh Simmons. I

768
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Speaker 5: think it was a steal for them to get him

769
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Speaker 5: at the bottom of the first round, but I still

770
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Speaker 5: just worry about like the you know, losing Joe Thoni,

771
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Speaker 5: you know, the right tackle spot. Juan Taylor hasn't been

772
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Speaker 5: really comfortable, so I get more worried there. They're a

773
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Speaker 5: physical football team. The only thing I think that they

774
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Speaker 5: wish they probably had is a little more speed on

775
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Speaker 5: the defensive side. But I think the biggest thing you

776
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Speaker 5: got to watch as a Chief fan, and I think

777
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Speaker 5: this is why I think they'll take a little step down,

778
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Speaker 5: is the cornerback room is not strong like it has

779
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Speaker 5: been before. I think Jalen Watson can have a good year,

780
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Speaker 5: but I think they're looking at the other corner opposite

781
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Speaker 5: of him with McDuffie probably inside of the nickel. That's

782
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Speaker 5: going to be spot that I think people are going

783
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Speaker 5: to really pin and an attack and we're the Kansas

784
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Speaker 5: city to give a hold up because they you know,

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Speaker 5: they've got power rushers, but they really don't have the

786
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Speaker 5: fastball rusher, which I think they're really really need.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, Eagles win the super Bowl. Last time to

788
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Speaker 1: win the Super Bowl, lose your coordinators and they struggle.

789
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Speaker 1: This time, you lose your offensive coordinator. What's the Eagles

790
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Speaker 1: now trying to repeat? What does that that that team

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Speaker 1: look like? With Saquon back, you know, with so many

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Speaker 1: back and some of those young players coming of age.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's nice that Lane Johnson is going

794
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Speaker 5: to play and stay there. I think that's a big deal.

795
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Speaker 5: And again I always go to the offensive line first,

796
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Speaker 5: and I feel really good about where they sit. You know,

797
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Speaker 5: the Cam Jurgens, albeit a different player than obviously Kelsey,

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Speaker 5: certainly it was very productive in terms of their run

799
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Speaker 5: game and helping Saquon. The only thing you get worry

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Speaker 5: about is can they stay as healthy as they were?

801
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Speaker 5: Like Ken, Saquon stay as healthy as he was. You

802
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Speaker 5: wonder about that. Defensively, I think you know, besides Quinn

803
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Speaker 5: and Mitchell and Cooper Jeans who came in and had

804
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Speaker 5: just great years, they've got other players on this team

805
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Speaker 5: that I think are really going to step up and

806
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Speaker 5: step through this year. Like I'm looking at guys like

807
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Speaker 5: Kylie Ringo, the corner that they drafted a couple year ago.

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Speaker 5: I think he's a starting corner in the National Football

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Speaker 5: I think he's a really good one. I think Jaylex

810
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Speaker 5: Hunt is a guy that you know, I think is

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Speaker 5: going to be in a very very good pass rusher

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Speaker 5: that by middle of the season, Doug, We're gonna be

813
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Speaker 5: talking about, like the Eagles, like who are these guys

814
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Speaker 5: that weren't starting last year that suddenly start this year.

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Speaker 5: So I think they got a lot of depth from

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Speaker 5: the defensive side, which is going to be the really

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Speaker 5: exciting spot for them. So I look at that, so

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Speaker 5: I think defensively they're going to be fine. I just

819
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Speaker 5: think offensively, I hope they can stay healthy. But I

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Speaker 5: just feel like when you when you look at Devonte

821
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Speaker 5: Smith or you see a sa Quon Barkley, no one

822
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Speaker 5: wishes any injuries. I just don't think they're gonna be

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Speaker 5: as fortunate to have them as many weeks as they

824
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Speaker 5: did last year.

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Speaker 1: I think that's I think that's completely and utterly fair.

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Speaker 1: When you're in the league, like when you're in Tampa,

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Speaker 1: there are times you know before they got the Buccaneers

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Speaker 1: that I know, this is after you gets Tom Brady.

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Speaker 1: There's lots of years which nobody really pays attention to you.

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Speaker 1: Is that a good thing or a bad thing? Within

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Speaker 1: for organizations? Not not for the ownership, right, maybe not

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Speaker 1: for making money, but in terms of trying to operate

833
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Speaker 1: on a daily basis? Is it better because like we

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Speaker 1: never talk about Seattle, We don't, I mean very rarely.

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Speaker 1: You know, they got Donold, they got a new coach.

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Speaker 1: We don't talk about Seattle. Jacksonville maybe a little bit

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Speaker 1: just because Trevor Lawrence seemingly has been disappointing at some point,

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Speaker 1: like we expected. But you know, how often do we

839
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Speaker 1: talk about New Orleans? How often do we talk even

840
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Speaker 1: about Houston has been a playoff team? Past two years?

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Speaker 1: You've operated in the times that they're paying attention in

842
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Speaker 1: times they don't. What's a better way to operate when

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Speaker 1: you're a general manager?

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Speaker 5: Well, I you know, shout out to Jason light getting

845
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Speaker 5: his extension. He has you know, he had to you know,

846
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Speaker 5: kind of walk through some tough years early on. But

847
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Speaker 5: you know what they've done in Tampa no one's talking about, right,

848
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Speaker 5: I mean they've made the playoffs. What five years in

849
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Speaker 5: a row? No one's ever done that, right or the

850
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Speaker 5: last what is it? They're the only NFC team to

851
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 5: make the playoffs five years in a row. That's a

852
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 5: heck of a statement. And you don't even think about it.

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Speaker 5: When you think about Tampa Bay, you're like, Okay, they're good.

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Speaker 5: But but I think you appreciate being like that. I mean,

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Speaker 5: maybe you feel in the moment, Doug when I was

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Speaker 5: at GM in Tampa, but even when I was there

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Speaker 5: with you know, coach Dungee and Coach Cruden and we

858
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Speaker 5: were having ups and downs, are really great seasons, obviously,

859
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Speaker 5: you never really felt like, you know, you're always like, well,

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Speaker 5: it's the Rodney Dangerfields kind of effected.

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Speaker 1: You're like respect exactly.

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Speaker 5: And so you feel that sometimes. But at the same point,

863
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Speaker 5: it's not bad to be in a bubble where you're

864
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Speaker 5: not the Jets, you're not the Eagles, you're not this

865
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Speaker 5: front page like what's wrong with you all the time,

866
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Speaker 5: even though you feel like that when you're the gentleman

867
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Speaker 5: of that football team. So John Schneider in Seattle, he

868
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Speaker 5: certainly feels the local stuff, but maybe the you know,

869
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Speaker 5: the the national stuff isn't quite the same. I think

870
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Speaker 5: it's good. I think it's helpful, even though sometimes again

871
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Speaker 5: you don't get to respect. I think it's autually helps

872
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Speaker 5: you be able to, you know, kind of work through

873
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Speaker 5: like the tough spots without feeling like everything there's every

874
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 5: little decision is made is being analyzed, whether you're the

875
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Speaker 5: Chicago Bears or the New York Giants or Jets.

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Speaker 1: Uh listen, uh, Mark, I got to ask you. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the talk early in the week was about Tyrese Haliburton

878
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Speaker 1: tearing his achilles tendon, and well, it's had, you know,

879
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Speaker 1: three stars to hear their achilles tendon in the playoffs.

880
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Speaker 1: I thought a lot of guys showed their limited focus

881
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Speaker 1: in that this has been happening in the NFL now right.

882
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Speaker 1: I mean, you have three quarterbacks Kirk Cousins, Aaron Rodgers,

883
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Speaker 1: and Sean Watson touring their achilles tendant, granted all in

884
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Speaker 1: their thirties, but still like we hadn't had that volume.

885
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Speaker 1: And then there are younger players tearing their achilles tendon.

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Speaker 1: Why why do you think it is? Well, just venture

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Speaker 1: fairly educated guess on why this is kind of this

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Speaker 1: injury which was very rare before has become a little

889
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Speaker 1: bit more commonplace.

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Speaker 5: Well, part of it, I would say, quarterback wide, it's

891
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Speaker 5: probably not. I don't think it's like, well, the quarterbacks

892
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Speaker 5: are overtraining and therefore there's I think it's because the

893
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Speaker 5: athletes are just for whatever however it's happening. Athletes are faster, bigger, stronger,

894
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Speaker 5: and so you know, just an extra little torque when

895
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:56,280
Speaker 5: you get tackled the excellttle twister and you get knocked around,

896
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Speaker 5: is putting strain on something because they're playing at such

897
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Speaker 5: a highlight level and a high speed. Now, I think

898
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Speaker 5: that that's what happens. I think the NBA is a

899
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Speaker 5: little bit that way in terms of like how you know,

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Speaker 5: it's not the physical game we grew up watching. I

901
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Speaker 5: grew up watching. It's it's a finets and run and

902
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 5: gun kind of a thing, and so you know, it's

903
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Speaker 5: just a strain on that pendon. But I think in

904
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Speaker 5: the football I think it's more because of you know,

905
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Speaker 5: the speed and the strength and power that we're seeing

906
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Speaker 5: from these young players, of all these players and what

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Speaker 5: they're doing. Like I was just at the NFL Sacks

908
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 5: sum in Vegas. Literally just got home a couple hours ago,

909
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Speaker 5: but spent you know, two days out there in Las

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Speaker 5: Vegas with Max Crosby and Von Miller and Cam Jordan

911
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 5: and they're all working with you know, there was what

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Speaker 5: forty fifty young you know, defensive lineman whether you're defensive

913
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Speaker 5: tackle or a defensive end that are there and they're

914
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Speaker 5: just breaking down film and talking about how they do that,

915
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Speaker 5: How does Blong do this, how does Cam do that?

916
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Speaker 5: And then talking to the young guys about what have

917
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Speaker 5: you done? You know, where are you going with your body?

918
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Speaker 5: What are you doing? It's amazing, it's awesome, and you

919
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Speaker 5: think that that stuff never happened, and it's you know,

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Speaker 5: here are the guys. Everybody thinks like, well, these players

921
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Speaker 5: are after the veteran mining camps, they go home and

922
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Speaker 5: now they're just kind of relaxing until they get to

923
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Speaker 5: you know, until they get the training camp. No, the

924
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Speaker 5: biggest guys there are forty guys out there that were

925
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Speaker 5: working out in the UNLV's build, working on their pass

926
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Speaker 5: rust then coming back and watching film from the elites

927
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Speaker 5: of best and getting coaching tips. That's where I think

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Speaker 5: why we see maybe more injuries because these guys are

929
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Speaker 5: training at a crazy level, trying to be the best

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Speaker 5: they can be.

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Speaker 1: That's Mark Dominic. What's he know, He's only spent his

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Speaker 1: entire professional life in the Nation Football League. Kind of

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Speaker 1: to spend some time with us. Mark, thanks so much

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Speaker 1: for joining us. Really appreciate it.

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Speaker 5: Thanks, Doug, Enjoy the weekend, buddy,