1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: Native Land Pod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:08,399 Speaker 1: with Reason Choice Media. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome. 3 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 2: We're already a non white country. Get a grip, Get real, bro, 4 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:19,919 Speaker 2: this is already. We already live in Mogadishu. We already 5 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 2: live in Islamabad. 6 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:24,600 Speaker 1: Have you been. 7 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 2: Outside La Chicago. 8 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 3: New York? 9 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 2: We live in nigger hell. And that's just what and 10 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 2: you know what it is. I got my James fishback. 11 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:40,559 Speaker 2: I shouldn't have said, shouldn't have said nigger hell with the. 12 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 1: With the quarter. 13 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 2: I told myself before the show. I was like, don't 14 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 2: say anything out of pocket. You're repping the campaign. Now. 15 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 2: I'm not on the campaign. I'm not involved, but I 16 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 2: was like, don't say anything too crazy. 17 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 3: I'm sorry. 18 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 2: Out of my apologies, oologies to the campaign. I was 19 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 2: literally like, don't don't say anything too crazy. And then 20 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 2: it's like, shouldn't have shouldn't have said that with the 21 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 2: quarter zip on, but you know what, whatever, it's fine. 22 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: Welcome y'all. This is a mini pod. And that was Angela. 23 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 4: A dumb ho named Nick flintis a dumb hoe named 24 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 4: Nick flintis, and it's not because he got the quarter 25 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 4: zip on. It's because he got a quarter mouth, and 26 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 4: I wish she would run up on somebody black talking 27 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 4: that crazy. I'm outside though, Yeah he don't, and he 28 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 4: better hope you don't. 29 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 1: When he said as Lumbabad, I was just thinking the 30 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:38,680 Speaker 1: issue have you ever left? Have you? I don't know 31 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: where you live, but I see he's got the Florida 32 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: state flag on his shoulder. Y'all. Before we hop into this, 33 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 1: this is this is us having not finished a topic 34 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: we wanted to get into in this week's main episode 35 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: around being built for the moment that all of us 36 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: find ourselves encountering. And it was with sort of the 37 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: met galle as the background. There's folks, are you know, 38 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: looking great and fantastic and rich and wealthy with the 39 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: billionaires who are paying for all the shit, and we 40 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: got people who can't find hope in most corners of 41 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 1: their day. And it did raise the question, I think 42 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 1: for a couple of us of like, all right, like 43 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: the same normal times and Angela, you've been saying the 44 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: same normal time since we left the campus of Howard University, 45 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: probably before, but I don't think I think you said 46 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:33,799 Speaker 1: it most aggressively after that but speaking of not miss, 47 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 1: you know, not being with the times, there are no 48 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 1: more whispers about racism. This dude is a bullhorn. But 49 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: he also if he was regretting any of it, the 50 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 1: mother could have not posted it, right, I mean, I guess, 51 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:50,639 Speaker 1: but I don't want to talk about him anymore, Angela. 52 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 5: No, back cut, back up, back up, real quick. He 53 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 5: has he has tens of thousands of donors, and he 54 00:02:57,160 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 5: has one point three million followers on X So this 55 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 5: isn't some random individual that we just got off. And he, 56 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 5: for a long period of time, helped dictate policy, creates 57 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 5: a whole group of they call gropers or whatever they're called. 58 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 5: He's in the in cell culture and he's a huge 59 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 5: MAGA supporter make America great again. And you know, I 60 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:19,239 Speaker 5: don't he is a part of the fabric of who 61 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 5: this country is. To discount that I think is not 62 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 5: a true different. 63 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely don't discount it. And also recognize when a 64 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 1: person is not in my league exactly. 65 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 5: But I'm sorry, now, Angela, I just wanted to give 66 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 5: him context. 67 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 4: I am concerned about our continual response that somebody is 68 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 4: beneath us. 69 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: Or not in our not even not even on the 70 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 1: same page. 71 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 4: But the reason why I'm concerned about it is because 72 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 4: it is very clear that the people that hold the 73 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 4: key is to power in this country are of the 74 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 4: same mindset as Nick Finch. 75 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 3: Totally right, and so I want us to be yes. 76 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 4: I want us to be hyper aware of what they 77 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 4: are telling each other on their podcast, on their platforms, 78 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 4: in their private conversations, because we're not going to be 79 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 4: equipped for a fight when we don't know what's going on. 80 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:26,479 Speaker 1: And let me get let me get everybody straight real quick, 81 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: because I read the long form piece about who Nick 82 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: quintess is to be over an hour to make it 83 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 1: through this exhaustive piece of work, and he spends eight 84 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: hours a day talking to people similarly situated across the internet. 85 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 1: He has millions of followers and retweets and downloads and 86 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 1: says a lot of hateful, angry shit, and made a 87 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 1: break with Donald Trump a couple of weeks ago on 88 00:04:56,560 --> 00:05:01,039 Speaker 1: his podcast, led by his listeners firstly following them down 89 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: the road that he doesn't want a Trumper, he wants 90 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:09,039 Speaker 1: more of him, he wants his name centerfold. And there 91 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 1: are plenty of creatures walking, breathing, speaking, likely thought to 92 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: be intellectual amongst themselves who are giving him lots of 93 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 1: time of day. But I think we should recognize that 94 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 1: he is playing an old hand, that vitriol, racism, hatred 95 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 1: has been in form has been in vogue for white 96 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 1: people just like him to listen, breathe upon contemplate on shit. 97 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:40,159 Speaker 1: I used to listen to it when I was in 98 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 1: middle in high school, listening to right wing radio on 99 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 1: AM in FM radio, So very familiar with these voices 100 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: Laura Ingram before folks who pronounced her name was listening 101 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:59,280 Speaker 1: to her. And so he isn't new, he is not shiny, 102 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: he's not even very good at it. He just happens 103 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: to be tapping on with Donald Trump tapped into it first, 104 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: which is exactly the white racist folks that are out 105 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: there that have been in vogue since the forming of 106 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: this country and are still in volgue today and are 107 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: still in power. And he's giving them basically right back 108 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: what they already know, think and believe. 109 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 4: I guess my thing is, you know, you've asked this 110 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 4: really important question, Andrew, about what it takes, what it 111 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 4: will take for us to meet the moment. And I 112 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:36,159 Speaker 4: think that we have to be clear about who the 113 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:40,479 Speaker 4: enemy is. You know, we have to know that. It's 114 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:43,479 Speaker 4: a fundamental of the art of war. And I think 115 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 4: we also have to know the terms of their fight. 116 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 4: I don't think that that means we have to fight 117 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 4: on their terms, but we should be aware of the 118 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 4: terms of their fight. You know, America First is an 119 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 4: ideology that excludes the people who built it. Make America 120 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 4: Great Again presumes that America has ever been great in 121 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 4: its history. The things that they tell each other are 122 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 4: rooted in fear and hatred for people who they don't 123 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 4: want to have to share space or more importantly, power with. 124 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 4: And so I think that we've got to be informed 125 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 4: about what their pathway forward is. And their pathway forward 126 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 4: is on our next, on our backs, and fully behind us. 127 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 4: They want to return to the past when you know, 128 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 4: remember when they first asked people when was America its greatest? 129 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 4: When they were championing this make America Great Again line, 130 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 4: It was in the fifties, before things were integrated for us, right, 131 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 4: And so I think we just have to be mind before. 132 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: Women worked out of the home, before women could you know, 133 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: exercise themselves in this free America or free Floyd. If 134 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 1: you live where I live, I agree with that one 135 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: thousand percent. And I fully believe in researching and reading 136 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 1: about what the opposition is doing and how they're doing it, 137 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 1: and so on and so forth. That isn't that's not 138 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: my beef with the guy. It's much it's it's it's 139 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 1: much more about as my grandmother would say, there ain't 140 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: nothing new under the sun, nothing new under the sun. 141 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: And what he is, what he is treading in is 142 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 1: a most base level of human condition. It's not smart, 143 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: it's not sophisticated, it's not savvy. It is the most 144 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 1: base level. That's how he can be on the radio 145 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: or whatever. He's on internet for eight hours a day. 146 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 5: That's how the president became the president. But I think 147 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 5: the question that we have is the question. 148 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 1: Based, and we should understand that it's part of the 149 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 1: main strategy that maybe some of our strategies need to 150 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: get back to just being based. 151 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 5: That's going to be my question, Like, okay, all right, cool, 152 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 5: I agree with both you. But the question that people 153 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 5: have is where do we go from here? It's even 154 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 5: more so plistic base the base. 155 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: What does that mean? I think describe it communication it is. 156 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: There are a lot of reasons we can give for 157 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: why we should win elections, platforms, all these other vicissitudes. 158 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: But people are really selfish, and base means not aspiring 159 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 1: people to our country's high as great as good as 160 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 1: a message. It isn't about democracy, you know. I care 161 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 1: about it as an individual amongst the lists and pantheonic 162 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 1: things that consume my attention at any point in the day. 163 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 1: But there are things that are more base than that 164 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: that really decide how almost been the next couple of 165 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 1: moments of the next uh week ahead. And I think, 166 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: I think the I think the opp position, and in 167 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: this case the opposition to Donald Trump, which is largely 168 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:10,559 Speaker 1: symbolically represented in the Democratic Party, is attempting to catapult 169 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 1: over our base level concerns to get us aspirational about 170 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: a collective we that too many of us at the 171 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 1: base level have never far fell part of the collective we. 172 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 1: They don't now, and they haven't because they don't see 173 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: that collective we putting their shoulder to the will to 174 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: get the things done that we need done at a 175 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 1: very base level. If I have to say base more, 176 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 1: I would say what keeps you up at night? What 177 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 1: is the thing that you spend most time on during 178 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: the course of a day. What are the things that 179 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: are putting more demands on you that you have to meet, 180 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: not would like to meet, but have to meet. And 181 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: then what are the set of solutions out there, the 182 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 1: things that are being done to help me on that path. 183 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 5: You know. 184 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 4: One thing that's come up recently, I think, given everything 185 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 4: that's going on right now, is how like entertainers are 186 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 4: responding to the moment. So there was a critique about 187 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 4: the met Gala that Taraji Henson Tji p Henson raised. 188 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 4: She's asking what are we even doing? There are some 189 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 4: really large protests surrounding this year's met Gala. Jeff Bezos 190 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:32,239 Speaker 4: was a primary funder of this met galan so Amazon 191 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:37,959 Speaker 4: employees engaged in several activations, one where an elderly black 192 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 4: woman was put up on the wall a video played 193 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:44,319 Speaker 4: right outside of the met Gala. And of course Chris 194 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 4: I can't think of Chris's last name, but Chris was 195 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 4: a protester that fought for Amazon. 196 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:53,319 Speaker 3: Amazon employees union unionizing. 197 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 4: I'm gonna pull his name quickly, but he he was. 198 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 3: Arrested outside of the met Gala. I think it's is 199 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 3: it Chris. 200 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: Malls, you organizer in New York. 201 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, Chris Malls, yes, and so he was the president 202 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 4: of Amazon's labor union. So I think we were going 203 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 4: to play footage of some of the outfits at the 204 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 4: met Gala as well. But I think in these moments, 205 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 4: what I think is required of us is like where 206 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 4: we draw the line in our own hypocrisies, Like, you know, 207 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 4: how do we meet the moment? Do we meet the 208 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:31,440 Speaker 4: moment by shedding hypocrisy or by acknowledging hypocrisy. Before we 209 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:33,839 Speaker 4: started recording, I was asking the guys that said, okay, 210 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 4: so would you have gone to the met gala? Andrew 211 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 4: objected to cost Bacari's response was, hell, yeah, And so 212 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 4: I wonder if you go to the met Gala, given 213 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 4: all that's going on, do you go and your outfit 214 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 4: is a protest? Do you not go because of the 215 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 4: price point because people can't afford gas or eggs or 216 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 4: what's what? 217 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 3: And how do you square that circle? 218 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 5: I mean, I don't. I just find there to be 219 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 5: I mean, Chris Mall's is his name, by the way, 220 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 5: And oh you said that, Okay, I missed it. Yeah, 221 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 5: you know, I just find there to be some damn headphones, 222 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 5: so many different ways you know, I was gonna compliment 223 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:13,719 Speaker 5: you today too, Angela, cause you look really good. I 224 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:16,559 Speaker 5: don't know, you look well arrested, like your exercises, like 225 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 5: your your sauna in and everything. But I ain't gonna 226 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 5: say none of that shit allowed because hell so anyway, anyway, 227 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 5: you know, I just think that the met Gala, and 228 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 5: you know what, I love taragips because she got me 229 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 5: rethinking it. Because you know, the original reason I said 230 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 5: I didn't go this year is because they only sent 231 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 5: me one ticket and I couldn't take Ellen. So I 232 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 5: didn't go this year. 233 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 1: But I would have gone. But but but. 234 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 5: Taragi actually makes you, makes you shake your consciousness and think. 235 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 5: And so I wish that we had more individuals who 236 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 5: utilize their platform in this particular way. You juxtaposed that 237 00:13:57,679 --> 00:13:59,559 Speaker 5: against somebody like Stephen A. Smith this week, who was 238 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 5: going back down the path of non righteousness, and you 239 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:05,199 Speaker 5: look at Taraji p Henson and I think there's a 240 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 5: role for all of us to play. And I say 241 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 5: all that to say that kind of the base level 242 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 5: that Andrew was talking about, no matter your field, right, 243 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 5: you can always be an agent of change. My dad 244 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:18,439 Speaker 5: would always say that if you're a doctor. If you're 245 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 5: a lawyer, if it doesn't matter if you get the 246 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 5: if you're a sanitation worker, you can always be a 247 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 5: change agent. And we have to go back to that 248 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 5: mind frame that we're going to be change agents for 249 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 5: our community because the way that Taraji p Henson was 250 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 5: able to shake the consciousness just around the met galap 251 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 5: I did see one dress that I really really liked. 252 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 5: It was a woman who had like all the sovil 253 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 5: rights heroes on her gown. I don't know her name. 254 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 5: I don't know her name. I was just looking at 255 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 5: it on I was scrolling through reels. But and Beyonce 256 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 5: is was awful. But it was not blue kilt Beyonce. 257 00:14:55,360 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 3: I think they both looked really nice. No, no, did 258 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 3: you see Rihanna was a oyster? 259 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 5: Did you see Rihanna get out stunned by her husband? 260 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 4: I will give you a samples fly with his pink Tridon. 261 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 4: You know we're not playing that of these clips. I 262 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 4: thought we had. 263 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 1: It feels a little. Yeah, we can't show the office 264 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 1: about amazing. In fact, you can plaster over my fids 265 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 1: just so so dressing. 266 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 3: No, I just I just thought because we were drawing 267 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 3: that contra I agree. 268 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 1: I agree with your point, and I guess I'm struggling 269 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: with this. You know why Taraji p Henson is so 270 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: Almost every time, I really every time I hear her, 271 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 1: I feel like on the mark is she is a 272 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: person who clearly has done the work and is doing 273 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 1: the work that no matter where she is, she seemingly 274 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 1: at home. And when you're at home, the things that 275 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: come out of your mouth are expressions of who you 276 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: are feel very much so sympotical with, like who am 277 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 1: I whose shoulders? And I mean, my goodness, the ancestors dreams, 278 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 1: you know, And so when you're really clear about that, 279 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: it don't take nothing to call out the wealthiest people 280 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 1: in the world for the real trouble around why that 281 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 1: night is so troubling for her and for many of us. 282 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 1: And I think I say this during the elections when 283 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 1: we were talking about fifty cent and like why would 284 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 1: he be for it? And I kept saying, this man 285 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: got so many more zeros than I can count in 286 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 1: his bank account, And we really, really really are reducing 287 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: the power of what money does. It puts you in 288 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 1: a different class, it puts you at a different viewpoint 289 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 1: in life. And by the way, it changes some allegiances. 290 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 1: So maybe before the tax code didn't matter you a 291 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: whole bunch, and now the tax cold matters a whole 292 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 1: bunch to you. And I think the met Gala and 293 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:08,440 Speaker 1: what we saw Monday was really that I saw Bezos 294 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:11,919 Speaker 1: and his wife and all that she could anyway that 295 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 1: she possesses with their wealth, and him too, at an 296 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 1: event that used to require more than just your money 297 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: to get in. There had to be some demonstrated contribution 298 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: to humanity, largely in the space of arts and creatives, 299 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 1: and they were reduced to their most base level, which 300 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 1: is wealthy. Filthy. Wealthy people socialized together and they have 301 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:44,640 Speaker 1: a good time together. And while the rest of us 302 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 1: may view that congregation as being political or trying to 303 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:55,360 Speaker 1: send a message or a point, they consider it very 304 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:59,439 Speaker 1: differently than we do. Right Chris Jenner was at the 305 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 1: damn a dinner at his house the night before. Oprah 306 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:07,399 Speaker 1: was at the wedding when they shut down Italy. You 307 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:09,959 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, It's like, I like these people 308 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:12,880 Speaker 1: at this level, but I like them for reasons, and 309 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 1: they like each other for reasons, and it just happens 310 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 1: to be that they all share a lot of zeros, 311 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:23,159 Speaker 1: and I just think common cause shifts based off of 312 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:25,919 Speaker 1: where you stand in life. And I think that they 313 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:28,919 Speaker 1: have some areas of common cause that unite them on 314 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 1: that night to look as filthy, wealthy and glamorous as 315 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:35,159 Speaker 1: they do. And so I guess thank you Taraji for 316 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 1: maybe getting a lot of you know, some folks to 317 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:39,160 Speaker 1: open their house and say, man, this is more than 318 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:43,879 Speaker 1: just that. But it is the Gilded Age on steroids 319 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:44,880 Speaker 1: right now. 320 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:48,440 Speaker 5: And I think Taragi was right. So I'm never going 321 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:50,400 Speaker 5: by myself. The only way I go is if they 322 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 5: send me two tickets so I can take ellen. 323 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 1: So I think that we've concluded that we are very 324 00:18:55,119 --> 00:19:00,920 Speaker 1: ready for the moment evidenced by all obviously for a moment. 325 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 3: I think that we are. 326 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 4: Close, but I think we have some You just talked 327 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 4: about healing work, Andrew like in what you've recognized in Taraji, 328 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 4: even from doing your own work. But I think so 329 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 4: much of this is about our willingness to lay aside ego. 330 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:29,160 Speaker 4: There's also an article with President Obama talking about he's 331 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:34,919 Speaker 4: not like a commentator, and he talked about also Michelle 332 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 4: Obama taking issue with how much he's been called upon 333 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 4: to respond to the times and how a lot of 334 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 4: other presidents haven't been called upon in that way. Well, 335 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:47,920 Speaker 4: this is a unique set of circumstances, and so we're 336 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:50,640 Speaker 4: all being called to do things that we hadn't anticipated, 337 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 4: you know. I believe Andrew you referenced twenty twenty four 338 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:56,880 Speaker 4: being at Howard. I was looking forward to just you know, 339 00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 4: being closer to home, supporting my parents, you know, working 340 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 4: doing well because we knew who was in the oval, 341 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 4: you know, And that's not the story that we're here 342 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 4: to tell. 343 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 3: We are in the fight for our lives. I think, 344 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:10,399 Speaker 3: I don't know. 345 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:14,640 Speaker 4: I dare say, this is the most difficult two years 346 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 4: that I have experienced in my life politically, you know, 347 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 4: like from a sociological standpoint, historically, like emotionally, all the ways, 348 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 4: on a micro level and a macro level. And so 349 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 4: then I just wonder, like, how do we show up 350 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:37,400 Speaker 4: for ourselves, our families, our community, and the culture in 351 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 4: this hour? And I dare say, it is not the 352 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 4: way we're used. 353 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 3: To doing it. It's just not. We have to show 354 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:44,120 Speaker 3: up differently. 355 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 4: We have to point out the gray areas, we have 356 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 4: to recognize our hypocrisies, we have to be able to 357 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 4: receive criticism hopefully that it's constructive. 358 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 3: Stop with all the freaking canceling behavior too. 359 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 4: You got eighty five reasons why you are going to 360 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,880 Speaker 4: cancel this black person or that black person in Bakari. Honestly, 361 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:04,199 Speaker 4: that was the beef I had with the conversation we 362 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:07,160 Speaker 4: were having the other day. It's just pointless. People made 363 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 4: dumb decisions. People said dumb things in twenty sixteen about 364 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:13,919 Speaker 4: who to vote for and who not to vote for. 365 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:17,119 Speaker 4: I am not excusing that, but we are in twenty 366 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 4: twenty four in the fight for our lives, and I'm 367 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:21,719 Speaker 4: not about to tell you six oh yeah, you're right 368 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 4: twenty twenty six. I'm trying to go back to twenty 369 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 4: twenty four. Maybe you can get a do over in 370 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 4: my defense twenty of y'all. Negro said twenty twenty two. 371 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 4: In the last podcast, I was Ellie. But I don't 372 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 4: know what year it is. All I know is the 373 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,959 Speaker 4: time is now for us to figure out a different 374 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 4: path forward. 375 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 3: This is way too late. 376 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 4: We're talking about ten years since somebody made a major 377 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:48,880 Speaker 4: mistake saying who not to vote for? Want I want 378 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:50,680 Speaker 4: to sign them up to do the right thing right 379 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 4: now that's what type of time I'm on and I 380 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 4: would want if I made a grave mistake, I would 381 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 4: want somebody to offer me the grace to say, you 382 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 4: know what, you made a mistake. You can't do no 383 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,120 Speaker 4: dumb stuff like that. But you are welcome in this 384 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 4: fight right now. We are all hands on deck. It's 385 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 4: not enough of us. I'm tired of saying that. 386 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 1: Okay, I just think we should be clear on what 387 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 1: we're enlisting people to do when the ask is made, 388 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: because I don't. I ain't signing anybody up to be 389 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,399 Speaker 1: leading me down. Nothing right, I think. 390 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:24,119 Speaker 4: But we worry about leadership without knowing what our objectives are, 391 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 4: and the mission is no. 392 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 1: What I'm saying is I think we absolutely have to 393 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,920 Speaker 1: lower the bar here. Yeah, when it's when it comes 394 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 1: to an election. This really sucks, because an election in 395 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: the most powerful nation in all the world should actually 396 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:39,920 Speaker 1: be able to consider something more than who I want 397 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 1: to have a beer with choice when considering the leader 398 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 1: of the free world. It is it is not that 399 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 1: it ain't. We we have graduated past that level of baseness. 400 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:56,440 Speaker 1: And I don't say this as a word to say, oh, 401 00:22:56,560 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 1: and I'm evolved I'm based too, and and how I 402 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 1: approach my day and what we all hope for. And 403 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:07,439 Speaker 1: we talked about this before angel Angelo with Tiffany some 404 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 1: over years back. Now that it's a luxury to be 405 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 1: able to push back from the table, stand up and 406 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:18,919 Speaker 1: take a look and survey the land. That most people 407 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:24,120 Speaker 1: don't have the luxury of pushing back and thinking. Theoretically 408 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 1: not because it doesn't help and it doesn't make sense. 409 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 1: It makes all the sense in the world, makes all 410 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 1: the sense in the world. That's why I ain't nobody 411 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 1: trying to give us the room to do it. But 412 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: I don't need everybody to do that part. But when 413 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:41,919 Speaker 1: it comes to these elections, there are some things that 414 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 1: we kind of just need folks to be able to do, 415 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 1: and I'm not trusted. 416 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,159 Speaker 3: That's why we mess up. I think we mess up 417 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,639 Speaker 3: by focusing our organizing. 418 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: And I'm also one thing. I didn't say the things 419 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 1: I needed them to do. I just said there are 420 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 1: some things that we need you to do in an election. 421 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:00,440 Speaker 1: That's why I said I didn't I want, I don't 422 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 1: need the right wingers to be my friends. 423 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 3: But I guess I'm not suggesting that either. 424 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 4: I'm saying, I think that where we mess up as 425 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 4: a people as we formulate our organizing and mobilizing strategy 426 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 4: around elections, and I think, yes. 427 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,640 Speaker 1: If we're talking about organizing, we should That's a whole 428 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:16,160 Speaker 1: another pod. 429 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 3: Yeah. 430 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,640 Speaker 4: No, I just am saying, I'm not even on what 431 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 4: do we do for the midterms. 432 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 5: I'm with you, Angela about this about just the cultural 433 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 5: personality and how we've gotten to this culture where we 434 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:35,880 Speaker 5: are subtracting unnecessarily from when you talk about this path 435 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 5: of canceling, when you talk about this path. 436 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,679 Speaker 4: Oh, he responded to three comments ago, Okay, uh huh oh. 437 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 5: I thought they were I thought there was a through line. 438 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,119 Speaker 4: There are we trying, were trying real hard, but please 439 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 4: please connects. 440 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,439 Speaker 5: No, I was just saying, and I think that as 441 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:53,159 Speaker 5: we talk about mobilization, what we'll realize is that at 442 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:54,679 Speaker 5: the end of the day, as much as it's kind 443 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 5: of hurts my heart to say a little bit, you 444 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,919 Speaker 5: know you're going to have to have those individuals like 445 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 5: the Eddie Glaus of the world be a part of 446 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 5: the same ministry that the Jamal Bryants of the world are, 447 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 5: that the Andrew Gilliams of the world are that the 448 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 5: Tiffany crosses of the world are, and all of us 449 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:12,920 Speaker 5: are going to have to lift each other up as 450 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 5: a collective. A baldfitst is much stronger than a spread hand. 451 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,439 Speaker 1: I agree, and I y'all, I have to tell you, 452 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't even look at this as 453 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 1: a hierarchy of contribution, right. I know what the power 454 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 1: of the presidency is. I know what the power of 455 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 1: commentary is. I know what the power of organizing is. 456 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:34,879 Speaker 1: I also know what the power of being a single 457 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 1: individual voter is. Going into a ballot box, I get it. 458 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:47,639 Speaker 1: I'm saying, drop whatever whatever value proposition we want to 459 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 1: put on what everybody does in this work, and just 460 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 1: tighten up into the thing that you can do. 461 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 5: I agree with that. That takes self awareness, though we 462 00:25:58,800 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 5: got a whole generation without that. 463 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 4: All I'm saying is we keep pushing people towards the 464 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 4: ballot box. And I think we need to be formulating 465 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 4: around an agenda. Did you take the Black Census. We 466 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,640 Speaker 4: need to be formulating around an agenda. Did you read 467 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 4: the Black papers that will be published in October but 468 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 4: have been up on our site. We need to formulate 469 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 4: around an agenda. Who are we running for office? Who 470 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,879 Speaker 4: are we preparing to do other things to be activists 471 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 4: and advocates in other ways we are fighting. 472 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,359 Speaker 1: I don't think everybody. I don't think everybody wants to 473 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:31,399 Speaker 1: be in that conversation. 474 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 3: I think that I'm not asking for everybody, but I. 475 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 1: Know I don't. I don't mean. I'm just saying and 476 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 1: if we're staying on this on this line of sort 477 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:41,199 Speaker 1: of what are we are we expecting too little too 478 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 1: much of people? Where you know, we got to go 479 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,119 Speaker 1: beyond just show up and vote. And I agree with 480 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,639 Speaker 1: you there, Angela, But and I really am trying to 481 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,359 Speaker 1: have a conversation here on this one, which is to say, 482 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,680 Speaker 1: is do we accept that in this greater movement work 483 00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:00,959 Speaker 1: and to get us to the more beloved community, that 484 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 1: everybody's going to have different things to do, and that 485 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 1: if we take the value proposition off of just voting 486 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,959 Speaker 1: is not the thing to do, but organizing in this 487 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 1: way is a thing to do in addition to doing that. 488 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,159 Speaker 1: And all I'm saying is is I think there's some 489 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:21,479 Speaker 1: people who are going to say the thing I'm willing 490 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 1: able to do where I am now is this thing. Yeah, 491 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 1: it may be a time where there's some other things 492 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:31,439 Speaker 1: I can consider, but this is the thing, and that 493 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 1: it's not a bad thing if you and I acknowledge 494 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 1: that everybody, we all play parts, and some people's parts 495 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 1: are going to be this thing I am. 496 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,640 Speaker 4: I think the issue today has been that we are 497 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 4: talking past each other. 498 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 3: I completely agree with that. 499 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,919 Speaker 4: I'm saying where we run a foul of even getting 500 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,880 Speaker 4: a critical mass is pushing people just to go vote. 501 00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,919 Speaker 4: Like now, we've been pushing people just to go vote, 502 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 4: and that thing has also been eliminated. Now there's not 503 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,879 Speaker 4: even people in some instances who represent their interests or 504 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,360 Speaker 4: represent them to And I'm not saying don't vote. 505 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 3: I'm saying we pushed people. 506 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 4: We made it seem as if the entirety of our 507 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 4: political power was the thing that we could exercise on 508 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 4: election day. And you do not see any other powerful 509 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,360 Speaker 4: group of people, no matter how small or large, doing that. 510 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 4: We are the only group of people they do that with. 511 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,880 Speaker 4: That is the reason why the Democratic Party feels comfortable 512 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,680 Speaker 4: showing up to our churches and our community events two 513 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:35,640 Speaker 4: months and sometimes two weeks or. 514 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 3: Two days before an election. That is the problem. 515 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 4: And I'm saying that we have the ability, the power, 516 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 4: the voice, the ingenuity, the innovation to do much more 517 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 4: than that. I'm not saying each individual person. I'm saying 518 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 4: as a community, and I'm also suggesting that it is 519 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 4: high time for us to stop saying if you don't 520 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 4: do this thing on this day in my way, then 521 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 4: your efforts are futile. I think that's also dumb, and 522 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 4: it hasn't served us well. We have to mobilize on 523 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 4: multiple means towards the same end goal and saying I'm 524 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 4: going to keep saying that. 525 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 1: I hate that we have talked a past each other, 526 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 1: because what I'm submitting is that I think that there 527 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 1: are sophisticated enough black voters in our community who actually 528 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 1: know that there's an ecosystem of things getting that they 529 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 1: may even call it ecosystem, but they can say such 530 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 1: and such over there working on that, who know that 531 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 1: there's a greater ecosystem at work, and have resigned themselves 532 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 1: to this vote thing. Is going to be my contribution 533 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 1: to that while everybody else in their places are doing 534 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 1: the parts that they are good at. I'm simply saying 535 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 1: that there are people who are sophisticated consumers of the world. 536 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 1: We live in who say I'm just the voter. 537 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 3: I get it. And that's the damn shame, because I 538 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 3: hope they can do it. 539 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 4: Out to the point of the last podcast and today, 540 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 4: I hope they're at least able to exercise their franchise, 541 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 4: and if not, I hope they are willing and able 542 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 4: to do whatever the thing must be so that they 543 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 4: can continue to just do that one thing. But we 544 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 4: have poorly served ourselves and our people by focusing all 545 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:15,719 Speaker 4: of our efforts into that. 546 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 1: I completely agree that shit, if that's the game plan 547 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 1: for us, that's there. Ain't no plan at all. 548 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 3: Ain't no plan. 549 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 4: That's that's all I'm That's all I'm saying. I'm like, 550 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 4: and I'm not saying we should not do it. I 551 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 4: oh my god, I understand now more than ever. When 552 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 4: Reverend Jackson said, and I played a clip from him 553 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 4: on the podcast on Tuesday, that the right to vote 554 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 4: is sacred. John Lewis would say that I would get 555 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 4: so frustrated when Reverend would spend all this time talking 556 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 4: about the right to vote. I'm like, we have that, 557 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 4: we have that we have that he wanted the Constitutional Amendment. 558 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 4: I'm like, that's cool, but we don't really need that. 559 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,479 Speaker 4: God damn it, we needed that. He knew because in 560 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 4: his lifetime he saw what it could be like, and 561 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 4: we didn't preserve that. 562 00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 3: And it's just like we got. 563 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 4: To do all the things with none of the resources 564 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 4: and none of the time and none of the unity. 565 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 3: So I hope that we can come together. 566 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 1: I think that's right. And you kind of close us 567 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,720 Speaker 1: out with a good I think a good charge there, 568 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 1: And I hope you all on the listening side you 569 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 1: were rolling with us. Hopefully, if you're still here, you 570 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 1: were rolling with us because we have figured this out 571 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 1: on spot, which is started at the MET and now 572 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 1: we're talking about how we build a beloved community and 573 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 1: all of the things that are required to help get 574 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 1: us there. So I hope you have been made uncomfortable 575 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,959 Speaker 1: in the conversation and that it moves you to something 576 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 1: I know I have been and I think I like 577 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 1: where it is leading me, but stay tuned for where 578 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 1: that actually is. We just want to welcome you home 579 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 1: and thank you for listening, and go get Tiffany's book. 580 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 3: And it is twenty twenty six. Sorry guys, Welcome home, y'all. 581 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 1: Welcome home. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, 582 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 1: Apple podcasts, or wherever you may listen to your favorite shows.