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Speaker 1: Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi.

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Speaker 2: Everyone, welcome The Mother Knows Death. We have some interesting

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Speaker 2: stories for you today. First, we're going to start off

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Speaker 2: with a reality TV star who killed her partner and

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Speaker 2: there is a very important piece of evidence missing. A

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Speaker 2: healthy former UFC fighter who got sick and needed a

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Speaker 2: double lung transplant. A cute little boy. Oh my god,

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Speaker 2: you guys should see the pictures. It's so sad who

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Speaker 2: got stung over one hundred and fifty times by wasps,

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Speaker 2: an ironic case of a fisherman who was able to

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Speaker 2: feel exactly what a fish feels like when a giant

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Speaker 2: hook goes into their mouth and a guy who randomly

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Speaker 2: killed a woman with a machete when he thought he

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Speaker 2: was protecting his daughter. Let's get started with this story

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Speaker 2: of this former reality TV star who killed her partner.

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Speaker 2: What happened there?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So Australian police got this call that there was

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Speaker 3: a fire and when they got there, they found this

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Speaker 3: thirty nine year old man dead. He was dismembered and

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Speaker 3: his head was missing. And now his girlfriend, who's Tamika

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Speaker 3: Chesser of Beauty in the Geek Australia has been arrested

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Speaker 3: and charged with his murder.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so they found all of his body parts. She

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Speaker 2: did admit to killing him, right, but is not saying

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Speaker 2: where his head is. So currently it's missing. His family

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Speaker 2: would really like it back for obvious reasons, and we

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Speaker 2: don't know what she did with it. We don't know

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Speaker 2: where it's at. So that's where we're at right now

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Speaker 2: with this case.

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Speaker 3: It's did you see how bizarre it was that she

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Speaker 3: was just like they said, she was found in a

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean that's probably what happened that usually, So

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Speaker 2: this is what's interesting about this case actually, because people

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Speaker 2: who are serial killers most of the time you see

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Speaker 2: in these cases that they keep a trophy sometimes, so

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Speaker 2: you would keep the head, right if you were a

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Speaker 2: serial killer maybe in a case, but in this particular case,

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Speaker 2: it's more than likely a domestic situation, right, that they

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Speaker 2: got in some kind of a fight and she just

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Speaker 2: went nuts and killed the guy. Right, So it's just

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Speaker 2: really interesting to see what she did, what she did

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Speaker 2: it's it's also just like above and beyond killing someone

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Speaker 2: when you dismember them. I don't know if she was

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Speaker 2: trying to Was that the point that she dismembered them

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Speaker 2: and she was trying to set a fire to burn

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Speaker 2: up his body faster? Maybe is that what she was

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Speaker 2: trying to do. I'm not sure.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, But isn't that proven in most cases?

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Speaker 3: Aren't there a lot of people that do stuff like

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Speaker 3: that and it never really works.

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Speaker 2: Like, it doesn't work. You can never get a fire

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Speaker 2: temperature that high in a house to be able to

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Speaker 2: totally cremate a body down to dust.

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Speaker 3: Like.

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Speaker 2: It never works. But people think, Yeah, people think that

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Speaker 2: going to do an autopsy afterwards and find out exactly

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Speaker 2: how the person died. So they're still in a situation

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Speaker 2: like that. There could still be soft tissue present, and

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Speaker 2: they could see that the guy was dismembered before or

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Speaker 2: after death, depending on what it happens. Sometimes they could

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Speaker 2: not exactly sure what she thought she was getting away with,

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Speaker 2: but I mean, usually it's actually a little bit of

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Speaker 2: a relief when somebody kills them, one dismembers them and

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Speaker 2: different state of mind. They're not just like going to

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Speaker 2: something like that. So maybe that's it. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Well, the police have released video of her walking around

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Speaker 3: because they want to try to see if she transported

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's really interesting and I'm curious what her reasoning

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Speaker 3: Well, imagine going on your ring doorbell footage and finding

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Speaker 2: We have cases, we have cases in the gross room

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Speaker 2: there's been cases of that, for sure. But also they

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Speaker 3: Okay, So Ben Askrin, who's forty years old, he's a

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Speaker 3: former UFC fighter, boxer and Olympic wrestler. A couple of

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Speaker 3: weeks ago, he seemingly got a staff infection that turned

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Speaker 3: into pneumonia. He got really sick. His wife had posted

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Speaker 3: a double lung transplant. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: It went down really quick too, within a couple weeks.

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Speaker 2: So apparently he's I mean, he's a UFC fighter, so

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Speaker 2: he is in good shape. He was in good health

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Speaker 2: before this happened. And sometimes people could just get staff

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Speaker 2: it is. So we have sometimes we have staff normally

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Speaker 2: into our bodies that way. Other times, like with IVY,

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Speaker 2: drug users especially are at an increased risk of getting

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Speaker 2: this type of infection in a person. And I don't

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Speaker 2: think that that was happening with him. This is just

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Speaker 2: something a freak thing that happened. He might have just

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Speaker 2: staff bacteria causes something called necrotizing pneumonia, which is it

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Speaker 2: kills the lung tissue, and it also causes like a pus,

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Speaker 2: and once if you do survive that, once it starts healing,

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Speaker 2: the lung heals with a lot of fibrous scar tissue,

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Speaker 2: causing pulmonary fibrosis. And you could also get something called

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Speaker 2: bronchiectusis when the airways are permanently dilated, and these two

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Speaker 2: things prevent oxygen exchange, and ultimately that's what your lungs do,

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Speaker 2: and you can't live without them. You could live with

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Speaker 2: one lung, but if he had double pneumonia in both lungs,

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Speaker 2: then that means the only way that he was going

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Speaker 2: with that, if you need lungs to live and you're

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Speaker 2: them from a dead person, someone that died, likely in

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Speaker 2: a car accident or something like that, which is why

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Speaker 2: organ donation is so important, because because if someone dies

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Speaker 2: in a car accident, their lungs are perfectly fine. Now

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Speaker 2: he still has a long road ahead of him, but

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Speaker 2: it's good that. I mean, he was put on the

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Speaker 2: That I was gonna ask about is that So I'm

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Speaker 2: not really sure how it works with lung So I

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Speaker 2: know some people that are on the transplant list are

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Speaker 2: on it sometimes for years, Like could they theoretically keep

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Speaker 1: Not?

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's not good. It wouldn't be good to

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Speaker 2: that was possible. But they look at there's a lot

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Speaker 2: So number one, they just look at the size of

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Speaker 2: sure of his body build, but they look at can

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Speaker 2: let's pretend a guy that's like six foot five dies

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Speaker 2: And then they check the blood type, and they do

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Speaker 2: And he probably was really really bad, like no matter

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Speaker 2: of it's a very intricate surgery. When you breathe in air,

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Speaker 2: And when they do, unfortunately, he's a risk of getting

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Speaker 2: Okay, so, oh my god, this cute little boy. Did

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Speaker 2: Well. The mom took them obviously, this is what you

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Speaker 2: But it's just it's so sad because it's it's not

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Speaker 4: But it's super scary.

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Speaker 2: Why are they so angry?

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Speaker 2: want to hear something interesting that I learned though. They

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Speaker 2: But if you just get stung and you're kind of

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Speaker 2: So I thought that that was just like an interesting

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Speaker 2: I feel like just getting the new mult poured over

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you could hear it on your infoot.

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Speaker 2: Well, I have it at my house too.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it's about the storm really bad.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was just driving. Well, I just texted you

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Speaker 3: And I know the weather can't be perfect, but I'm

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Speaker 2: We always had a saying in pathology that like, weather

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Speaker 2: just funny because some of some of the diegosis that

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Speaker 2: So we know that Maria is like always on storm alert,

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Speaker 3: Well it landed in a town next to me. It's

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Speaker 2: Oh we never had them ever, are well we have

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I'm just not used to it because I

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Speaker 3: But those people have, like legit, they.

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Speaker 4: That's gonna be me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, all right.

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Speaker 3: This thirty one year old fisherman from Louisiana caught marlin,

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Speaker 2: And it was so high up. It was right where

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Speaker 2: he's lucky to be alive. They were able to remove it,

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Speaker 2: and they put him on some hardcore antibiotic treatment for

436
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Speaker 2: two reasons. Because number One, you have all this bacteria

437
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Speaker 2: in your mouth that has now been introduced into your

438
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Speaker 2: cerebral spinal space where the fluid is the fluid around

439
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Speaker 2: the spinal cord, which also goes in the brain, So

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Speaker 2: you definitely don't that whole area is sterile. You don't

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Speaker 2: want bacteria going anywhere near your brain like that. Number Two,

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Speaker 2: marine animals are like they have a whole bunch of

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Speaker 2: different weird bacterias and stuff that you definitely don't want

444
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Speaker 2: introduced near your brain. So they really wanted to, you know,

445
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Speaker 2: and that would be on the marlin that went intoto

446
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 2: that weird space on this freak accident. So he stayed

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Speaker 2: in the ICU, but he was released with no complications

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Speaker 2: and he's fine.

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Speaker 3: What a crazy story to tell. Yeah, it's a crazy

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Speaker 3: story to tell. I wonder do you think they let

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Speaker 3: him keep the peace that was lodged.

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Speaker 4: In his throat.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I think like some people would want it,

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Speaker 2: and then other people would be like I don't want

455
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Speaker 2: to see that thing, you know, like in Happy Gilmore

456
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Speaker 2: when that alligator had taken off the hand of Chubbs,

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Speaker 2: and then Happy Gilmore thought that it was a good

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Speaker 2: idea to kill the alligator and put its eyeball like

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Speaker 2: in a jar and give it to Chobbs as a present.

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Speaker 3: Was the whole head, wasn't It.

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Speaker 4: Wasn't I thought he put the whole head.

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Speaker 3: So when he like screamed ran out no, okay, okay,

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Speaker 3: that's why.

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Speaker 2: That's why I got confused, because Chubs carried around the

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Speaker 2: jar with the eye because he was like he bit

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Speaker 2: my hand, but I got his eye. Remember he was

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Speaker 2: like showing the jar. Okay, So yeah, So then Happy

468
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Speaker 2: Gilmour was like, oh, I have a present for you.

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Speaker 2: I killed that bastard and like here's his head, right,

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Speaker 2: And then Chubbs like freaks out and falls through the

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Speaker 2: out the window and dies because he just like couldn't

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Speaker 2: handle seeing it, like it triggered some PTSD in him

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Speaker 2: or something. So imagine having that barb in your house,

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Speaker 2: like the guy might walk by it and get like

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Speaker 2: triggered or something.

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Speaker 3: You know what's weird is an LBI. Last week another

477
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Speaker 3: person got stabbed by a needlefish.

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Speaker 4: I just thought, oh, yeah, it bizarre that the I.

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Speaker 3: Thought that was the same story at first, and I

480
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Speaker 3: was like, hold on a second, different situations.

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Speaker 2: It's just it's just kind of ironic. Like I wonder

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Speaker 2: if this guy sits there and thinks, like I was

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Speaker 2: saying this about fishing the other day, like and I'm not,

484
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Speaker 2: like I always say, I'm not some like animal loving

485
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Speaker 2: hippie person and stuff. I think like, I fish fine,

486
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Speaker 2: but like if you're just fishing for sport, you're just

487
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Speaker 2: kind of like piercing their face just to be like huh,

488
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Speaker 2: I call it this and throw it back. It's just

489
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 2: kind of fucked up, you know what I mean. So

490
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Speaker 2: that that's like what happened with this guy. Like ultimately

491
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Speaker 2: he's fine, he's not gonna die, but he got pierced

492
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Speaker 2: in his throat, right, it just doesn't feel good.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's nuts, all right. So this story is so bizarre.

494
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Speaker 3: So this woman called the non emergency line for police

495
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Speaker 3: and claimed that her ex boyfriend was on his motorcycle

496
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Speaker 3: riding up and down her street trying to get her

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Speaker 3: to come outside. So before the cops got there, this

498
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Speaker 3: woman's dad went outside, and when the motorcycle went by again,

499
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Speaker 3: he threw a machete at the bike. But it turns

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Speaker 3: out it wasn't the ex boyfriend. It was a totally

501
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Speaker 3: random couple and he hit this woman on the back

502
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Speaker 3: of the bike and killed her.

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Speaker 2: What the hell are people thinking? Even if it was

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Speaker 2: the ex boyfriend, right, you want to throw yeah? Like

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Speaker 2: and you whatever? I mean, listen, Like, the guy could

506
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,199
Speaker 2: have done some hard stuff, so you want to you

507
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 2: want to throw a machete at this guy, and like,

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Speaker 2: I don't know what you think was gonna happen when

509
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,159
Speaker 2: you're throwing a giant knife flying through the air. But okay,

510
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,439
Speaker 2: but there was a woman on the bike, Like you

511
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Speaker 2: didn't think that there was a possibility that you would

512
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Speaker 2: hit her, who's completely innocent in the situation.

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Speaker 3: Maybe they thought it was like his new girlfriend or something,

514
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Speaker 3: but that doesn't mean that she deserved to die. Like,

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00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 3: come on, none of it makes sense. I don't understand

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Speaker 3: why we're just throwing machetes at peace.

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Speaker 2: It would be mean if you threw like a baseball

518
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,439
Speaker 2: bat just to try to knock the guy off. But

519
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 2: a frickin machete. Who even has a machete?

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00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 3: They said, actually they don't even know if the boyfriend

521
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 3: was in the area at all.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, like they they're just like, yeah, we don't

523
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 2: even know if it was him ever driving down the street.

524
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 2: It was just this other guy. He killed a person,

525
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 2: like and and then he's just like yeah, I'm sorry,

526
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 2: Like how do people live? So then he tried to

527
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 2: hide the machete, but then later reveal where it was.

528
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 2: So this guy ends up getting charged with murder, tampering

529
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Speaker 2: with evidence, and assault. So good one, Like, what were

530
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,399
Speaker 2: you doing regardless if it was the ex boyfriend, Like

531
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 2: you were still gonna potentially kill him and then have

532
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:12,120
Speaker 2: the same charges unless you're like a gardener or you're

533
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 2: harvesting sugarcane or something like that. Like why, I because

534
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 2: all I think about is people in fields cutting down

535
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Speaker 2: heavy stems of something. I just don't understand what the

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Speaker 2: point of owning a machete would ever be.

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Speaker 3: I think living in America machetes then you think they're

538
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 3: very popular in the Philadelphia area.

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Speaker 2: But like, but why it's it's a weapon to hurt

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00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 2: someone with. I guess it's just like having a gun,

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Speaker 2: I suppose.

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Speaker 3: But it's like I just collector's thing for Yeah, I don't.

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00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,639
Speaker 2: I really don't understand when you have things like that,

544
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 2: it's just like no, no good's gonna come out of it,

545
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? And I wouldn't look at

546
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 2: that as like a gun. I understand you want to

547
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 2: protect yourself. It's hidden and if you follow the rules

548
00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 2: or whatever, it's you know, But but like when I

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00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 2: I guess when you pull the gun on somebody, you're

550
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 2: intending to kill or hurt them. You're you don't want

551
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 2: to use something like a machete as a scare tactic.

552
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 2: And it's just it's just really bizarre to me. What

553
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 2: part of the contry did this happen in Ohio? And

554
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 2: maybe maybe he as a farmer and he was harvesting

555
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 2: stuff I don't know, like.

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Speaker 3: Florida, Judge Florida, maybe because they have like tropical landscapes

557
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 3: down there, Like this makes no sense. I think this

558
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,199
Speaker 3: was just a weirdo that just had one and clearly

559
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 3: wasn't in his right viby do you like want to

560
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 3: crack open a fresh coconut or something like, Yeah, this

561
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 3: is a weird I don't get a weird situation. All right, guys, Well,

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