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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Coast to Coast AM. My guest is

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Speaker 2: Sue Brain, and she is talking about the wonderful connection

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Speaker 2: between astrology and death and dying and the connection his cycles.

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Speaker 2: It's the cycles of astrology and the cycles of life

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Speaker 2: and death, and so she's known as a soul astrologer.

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Speaker 2: And I want to know, so if you could tell

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Speaker 2: us a little bit about what has been going on

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Speaker 2: in our planets cyclically right now and why are we

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Speaker 2: experiencing such a heightened sense of drama in I mean,

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Speaker 2: I think it's always been dramatic, but is there anything

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Speaker 2: specifically that's heightened right now that you could tell us about.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I can where where you are in what we

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Speaker 3: call the eclip season right now. September is the eclipse

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Speaker 3: season now, so we've just we've just had a full

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Speaker 3: moon eclipse in Pisces that was on the seventh of September.

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Speaker 3: So full moon eclipses are about endings and culminations and

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Speaker 3: reaping what we've sown and pieces is all about the

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Speaker 3: spiritual and mysticism, and it can also be because it's

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Speaker 3: pisc and it's it's it's also associated with suffering, spiritual

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Speaker 3: service and compassion, and also kind of confusion and delusions.

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Speaker 3: So this is a this is a very The eclipses

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Speaker 3: kind of they they magnetize the full moon. I think

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Speaker 3: that's the best way to describe an eclipse. It's a

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Speaker 3: very it's it's kind of like a new moon, a

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Speaker 3: full moon on steroids. We've had that going on.

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Speaker 2: In instant new moon.

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Speaker 3: It's it's in, it's in powers, it sort of what

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Speaker 3: do you call it, amplifies, the amplifies exactly, So amplifies

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Speaker 3: that that that pissy and eclipse. Now Pisces is opposite

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Speaker 3: Virgo and that is the that's the axis of service.

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Speaker 3: So we've got that kind of sort of confusion about

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Speaker 3: spiritual service versus sort of practical service and what does

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Speaker 3: that mean to us. So we've now got a full

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Speaker 3: the new moon eclipse coming on the twenty first of September,

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Speaker 3: but it's at a very potent degrees that it's at

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Speaker 3: twenty nine degrees, and it sort of carries this sense

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Speaker 3: of crisis and death because Virgo at twenty nine degrees

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Speaker 3: is it the very end of the season. It's before

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Speaker 3: we fully step into the Libra autumn season, so this

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Speaker 3: is marking the kind of descent into the darkest part

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Speaker 3: of the year. So Libra is the archetype of the jarge,

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Speaker 3: it's holding the scales of balance. But this new moon

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Speaker 3: eclipse is also it's actually opposite Saturn at twenty nine

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Speaker 3: degrees prices. I don't want to sort of confuse everybody

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Speaker 3: with a lot of astrology here, but there's something being

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Speaker 3: very triggered around endings, karmic endings. So Saturn is very

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Speaker 3: much to do with carries, the archetype of karma, and

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Speaker 3: Virgo is about sort of, as I said, practical service.

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Speaker 3: It's about health and welfare, but it can be very

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Speaker 3: hard on itself and on everyone else. So Virgo is

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Speaker 3: that part of us that's very critical, that's very analytical.

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Speaker 3: So she also wants to make the world a better

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Speaker 3: place to find ways of purifying it. So I think

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Speaker 3: we're going to be experiencing this sort of going to

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Speaker 3: bring up a lot of a lot of issues around

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Speaker 3: more ecological issues coming to light and the sort of

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Speaker 3: need of how can we create more diplomacy and careful

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Speaker 3: decision making, which is not happening in the world at

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Speaker 3: the moment because it's opposite prices, there is this sense

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Speaker 3: of confusion and so, well, what is the truth. That's

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Speaker 3: what we've really got to focus on this month.

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Speaker 2: So what is there? So if I could summarize that,

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Speaker 2: you basically are saying that we felt this September eclips

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Speaker 2: season and the endings being magnified, which makes sense now,

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Speaker 2: and I did feel that a lot of things culminating

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Speaker 2: at once. Now this next new moon, when is the

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Speaker 2: new moon eclipse?

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Speaker 3: So the new moon eclipse is on the twenty first,

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Speaker 3: so it's actually on that, It's actually absolutely and so

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Speaker 3: this is amplifying the whole concept that we're walking into

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Speaker 3: a very powerful ending of some.

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Speaker 2: Form, and will this also show up in our lives

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Speaker 2: where there's an ending.

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Speaker 3: If you have any planet at twenty nine degrees of

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Speaker 3: Virgo or twenty nine degrees of Pisces, they're right opposite

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Speaker 3: here to empower you or here to educate you. Just

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Speaker 3: be very very open and watch what goes on in

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Speaker 3: your life. But it an eclipse. When it's that powerful,

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Speaker 3: it can mark a very strong ending in your life,

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Speaker 3: or to open up something that is waiting to be

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Speaker 2: And this should happen around the end of the month. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: is there anything we can do to prepare for that?

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Speaker 3: Well, just be aware that it's happening. I think that's

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Speaker 3: if you've got a planet at twenty nine degrees virgo

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Speaker 3: or twenty nine degrees prices, that's going to play out

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Speaker 3: in your life somehow. And obviously it depends on the

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Speaker 3: rest of your chart or the aspects that are being

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Speaker 3: made into it. But I think the most important thing

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Speaker 3: for me, and this is this is going into a

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Speaker 3: bit more deep astrology here. The planet Pluto, which is

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Speaker 3: the which is the planet of transformation, death and rebirth,

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Speaker 3: when and this is when a plan and it moves

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Speaker 3: call the ecliptic, so Pluto is all about power and

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Speaker 3: processing death and rebirth, and it's cut free. It is

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Speaker 3: not making any relationship with the Sun or the rest

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Speaker 3: wonderful astrology called Rosie Flynn and she's done a power

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Speaker 3: of research onto this, and she points out that throughout history,

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Speaker 3: Pluto out of bounds to the south is more is

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Speaker 3: kind of always associated with revolts. Well, there's a lot

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Speaker 3: isn't there.

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Speaker 2: And she.

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Speaker 3: Identified that it's also associated with collapses of civilizations and

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Speaker 3: extreme lessons. And I think this is a very volatile

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Speaker 3: time that we are in now and this is certainly

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Speaker 3: going to be going on for a while. And what's

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Speaker 3: so interesting is that when Pewter comes back into it

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Speaker 3: into bounds again, which is in November, it won't be

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Speaker 3: going out of bounds again for thousands of years.

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Speaker 2: So it is a significant time. Could it explain the

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Speaker 2: I mean, I had Pluto in my Capricorn sign for

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Speaker 2: the last year and it's a really rough, rough planet

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Speaker 2: to have in your sign, considering that.

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Speaker 3: It is, so you're a captcorn aru les, Yes, yes, Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 3: that was rough, but that it's.

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Speaker 2: Gotten a lot better now. And I'm curious if you see,

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Speaker 2: there's obviously a lot of divisiveness that is in our

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Speaker 2: that in the most recent shooting of the Charlie Kirk.

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Speaker 2: There's so much divisiveness around it. I wonder other are

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Speaker 2: planetary indications of divisiveness.

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Speaker 3: Well, I had a look at Charlie Kirk's chart. We

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Speaker 3: don't know his time of birth, so we don't know

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Speaker 3: his ascendant. But I mean, utterly shocking. But what was

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Speaker 3: so interesting that Uranus has just gone what we call

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Speaker 3: retrograde in Gemini, and Uranus is the planet of shocks

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Speaker 3: and it just it was so symbolic for me that

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Speaker 3: that there he was giving a speech, you know, very Gemini.

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Speaker 3: He's a very vocal chap and you know, the Uranus

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Speaker 3: just steps up and just shocked everyone, so sort of

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Speaker 3: archetypally there we have a story. But what I was

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Speaker 3: really interested in was on the day of his assassination,

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Speaker 3: Mars the planet Mars, now Mars is the Warrior. We

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Speaker 3: call it the archetype of the warrior, and it was

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Speaker 3: sitting and mars is always a trigger. It moves very

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Speaker 3: it was sitting smack bang on his son, and Pluto

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Speaker 3: When you've got a Pluto squaring moon, it's a very

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Speaker 3: difficult aspect to deal with emotionally. And then we had Saturn,

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Speaker 3: who he was, and then Urinus transiting, Urinus come up,

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Speaker 3: coming up to conjunct what we called his south node.

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Speaker 3: That's kind of solostrologies look at. That's the point of

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Speaker 3: he had some very very difficult as specs in his chart.

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Speaker 2: On, he should have had an astrologer tell him never

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Speaker 2: to go out that door that day.

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Speaker 3: You know, this is this is the whole thing, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: It's so this is the conundrum about astrology. Astrology can

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Speaker 3: can give you very clear pictures about what the themes

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Speaker 3: that may happen, but I never use it to predict

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Speaker 2: You can't predict live your life like that, you'd never

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Speaker 2: walk out the door exactly.

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Speaker 3: So that's not how I use astrology. And to be

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Speaker 3: honest with you, that kind of prediction, that that kind

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Speaker 3: of astrology isn't for me. I'm much more interested in

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Speaker 3: the psychology of our psychology and our relationship with with

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Speaker 3: synchronicity and the cycles and patterns that astrology provides for us.

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Speaker 3: It's our map, it's our language, if you like. And

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Speaker 3: if we know our chart, we begin to know how

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Speaker 3: able to lay your demons at rest, if you like.

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Speaker 3: And for me, knowing who I am is enabling me

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Speaker 3: to prepare for my death. I want to reach my

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Speaker 3: I wish I was full of regrets. I don't want that.

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Speaker 3: I want to be open and receptive to who I

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Speaker 3: that's for me what astrology. The gift that astrology has

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Speaker 3: given me, but I just wanted to say something I

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Speaker 3: don't know. Have you heard of Stephen Jenkinson, who who

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Speaker 3: started something called Orphan Wisdom and he's been talking about

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Speaker 3: death and dying forever And it was very synchronosic as

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Speaker 3: think it's so profound. We are, no matter our passports

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Speaker 2: That makes sense, so last souls?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well yes, And I think he's referring to how

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Speaker 3: our mortality means that we've actually lost sight of the

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Speaker 3: blessed release of death. We don't even believe it is

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Speaker 3: But it's very difficult for people to say things like that.

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Speaker 3: And I learned that in the death cafes. You know,

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Speaker 3: people saying I shouldn't say I'm so I'm so relieved

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Speaker 3: when my mom died. So yes, you can say that

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Speaker 3: because she's stopped. You know, that's when the suffering stopped.

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Speaker 3: you know, until we're in our coffins at ninety five,

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Speaker 3: which is not what we're here to do. Let me ask.

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Speaker 2: So you're saying death is a natural part of life,

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Speaker 2: but what about dying in a difficult cancer or a

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Speaker 2: body riddled with MS or unhealthy death? I understand living

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Speaker 2: healthy lives until we're one hundred and one hundred and whatever.

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Speaker 2: You want to live to be in a healthy way

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Speaker 2: with great relationships and community and loved ones around you.

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Speaker 2: But what about alternative, which is dying with the body

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Speaker 2: that is riddled by illness? Is that a karmic thing?

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Speaker 3: Well, I wouldn't. I can't say it's karmic. But what

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Speaker 3: I know is that when I have talked to people

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Speaker 3: who have cancer, and when I've talked to people who've

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Speaker 3: had who've sat beside people who've had very difficult death,

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Speaker 3: is a massive learning involved on some level and I'll

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Speaker 3: never forget interviewing a woman whose father had had the

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Speaker 3: most horrendous death and she sat with him as he

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Speaker 3: fought death because he didn't want to die, and she

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Speaker 3: just said, I found it. It was so traumatizing to

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Speaker 3: be with him, so I choose to remember him as

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Speaker 3: he was. And I suddenly said to her, do you

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Speaker 3: know what? You gave him? The ultimate love by willing

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Speaker 3: sitting beside him and watching him suffering until he stopped.

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Speaker 3: And that's love with a capital L. Yes, that's utter,

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Speaker 3: that's going far beyond small little love. And she learnt

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Speaker 3: a lot because of that. But she had to walk

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Speaker 3: the fire to do it.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, So there is some type of a now

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't say karma, but there is some type of

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Speaker 2: a cyclical learning experience with end of life on all ends.

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Speaker 2: I am so curious about what death rituals are. What

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Speaker 2: is a ritual of death?

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Speaker 3: I don't work with ritual Well, I did it on

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Speaker 3: an academic level. I mean, ritual really is. Honestly, it's

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Speaker 3: as easy or simple as lighting a candle. And I

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Speaker 3: light comes and that's what we're bringing in. And in

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Speaker 3: my experience of working with the dying and talking to

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Speaker 3: very present at the end of life, often unexpectedly. And

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Speaker 3: it's not, as I said, this kind of limited human love.

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Speaker 3: It is the love and I always call it love

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Speaker 3: with a capital L. And I find that really interesting

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Speaker 3: and this whole concept of people dying in very very

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Speaker 3: difficult deaths. But I mean this opens up a huge

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Speaker 3: moral conversation about are we actually have we forgotten to

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Speaker 3: go home? Are we living beyond our soul date? Are we,

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Speaker 3: you know, are we trying to cheat death?

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