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Speaker 2: Welcome to the solid verbal.
Speaker 3: I'm that for me. I'm a man, I'm for I've
Speaker 3: heard so many players say, well, I want to be happy,
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Speaker 1: of a house in Pennsylvania. Is that the house you
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Speaker 2: With the sex dungeon?
Speaker 3: Yes?
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Speaker 1: Something like that. Yeah, fifty shades of Maple Glenn?
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, the house set up really nicely in the
Speaker 2: first thirty pictures then picture thirty one, like, oh, chains great, awesome.
Speaker 2: I love that they're so confident that there is full
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Speaker 1: Just live in your best life, man. Put it out there,
Speaker 1: see what happens.
Speaker 2: No, I made reference to it because it's just disgusting
Speaker 2: out and I'm cooped up in an apartment because I
Speaker 2: have a almost three week old and all of the sudden,
Speaker 2: as you can imagine living in a New York City
Speaker 2: apartment with a three week old, like, oh, this is
Speaker 2: not an acceptable way to gotten a lot smaller, right,
Speaker 2: it has gotten much smaller. But the good news is
Speaker 2: we finally get to go to our recruiting show, our
Speaker 2: annual recruiting show with Brandon Huffman. Now that the season
Speaker 2: has finally the cherry on top for me obviously was
Speaker 2: a longtime Florida State commit decommitting, and I think going
Speaker 2: to Maryland, if you saw that today, I think that's
Speaker 2: like the last major tom that listen Willie Taggart and
Speaker 2: having commitment issues. Who could have seen anything happening along
Speaker 2: those issues and along those lines. But very excited to
Speaker 2: have Brandon Huffman on from twenty four to seven Sports.
Speaker 2: He is their big dog that covers everything nationally based
Speaker 2: on the West Coast. So obviously I enjoy a lot
Speaker 2: of the insight that he has about the PAC twelve
Speaker 2: and their schools, but we're going to go across the
Speaker 2: entire country, a lot of interesting classes, movement up and
Speaker 2: down and around new coaches and how they've affected things
Speaker 2: on the recruiting trail. So this is legitimately one of
Speaker 2: my very faceavorite shows because Brandon is built from head
Speaker 2: to toe with recruiting information.
Speaker 3: He is.
Speaker 1: He is an encyclopedia. And I say this in earnest because.
Speaker 2: That in Brisket I should act and Brisket.
Speaker 1: There to be fair. I like to think that on
Speaker 1: all of our off season interview shows, I learned something
Speaker 1: new from our guests each time we talk to them.
Speaker 1: But it's especially true whenever we talk to Brandon about recruiting,
Speaker 1: because I don't know. I mean, I guess we're doing
Speaker 1: a college football podcast, and to some degree, sure I
Speaker 1: pay more attention to recruiting than maybe the average college
Speaker 1: football fan. Okay, but I still feel like I come
Speaker 1: away so much more enriched with college football and recruiting knowledge.
Speaker 1: Every time we talk to him, I just can't follow it.
Speaker 1: Nobody can follow it as closely as he does. Nobody
Speaker 1: has that level of detail that I expect that we're
Speaker 1: going to hear momentarily from mister Hoffman again from twenty
Speaker 1: four to seven Sports, So I'm excited to learn more
Speaker 1: from Brandon. We would also encourage you don't just check
Speaker 1: him out at twenty four to seven sports dot com.
Speaker 1: Also check out the fine work he's doing for the
Speaker 1: Avery Huffman Defeat DIPG Foundation. We talked about his foundation
Speaker 1: and his plight against the IPG a couple of years ago,
Speaker 1: but Brandon is doing God's work with his foundation. Check
Speaker 1: it out at AVERYSTRONGDIPG dot org if you'd like more
Speaker 1: information on the good work that they're doing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the same awful the situation that took chadcar if
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Speaker 2: they do fantastic. There's events on the West coast. So yeah,
Speaker 2: it's AVERYSTRONGDPG dot org.
Speaker 1: That is correct, all right, So we are going to
Speaker 1: get into it here with Brandon Huffman and talk all
Speaker 1: things recruiting. As we said on last week's show, we
Speaker 1: gave it some time to percolate to fessor, to really
Speaker 1: set into the cast iron skillet, and now here we are.
Speaker 1: I don't know why I went cast iron with that.
Speaker 1: Maybe because I cooked on it earlier.
Speaker 2: You got your head, You got your head on cast iron.
Speaker 2: I like, that's right.
Speaker 1: We've seasoned the pan now with all things recruiting, and
Speaker 1: it's time to evaluate with our good friend mister Brandon Hoffman.
Speaker 1: Have all listen, all right? Dan joining us yet again.
Speaker 1: Being so we just made it through a recruiting cycle.
Speaker 1: It is a long standing tradition unlike any other here
Speaker 1: on the sOliver Bowl, we bring on our friend Brandon Hoffman,
Speaker 1: the national recruiting editor from twenty four seven Sports, to
Speaker 1: talk through all things recruiting.
Speaker 2: Sir, how are you?
Speaker 3: Dan Ty? I now feel like this recruiting cycle is
Speaker 3: complete hearing your voices. Lets me know we're at the
Speaker 3: end of a recruiting class and ready to start this
Speaker 3: madness all over again.
Speaker 1: The last time we talked to you, Dan was childless,
Speaker 1: and now he Isn't we need some first month advice
Speaker 1: for him?
Speaker 3: Oh man? You know the whole thing about sleep being overrated,
Speaker 3: it truly is. You're not going to sleep, but you're
Speaker 3: not going to sleep at all anyway for the next so,
Speaker 3: I don't know, eighteen twenty years, so yep, don't try
Speaker 3: to sneak in. Then they're not going to make a difference.
Speaker 3: You're still going to get woken up in the middle
Speaker 3: of the night without any kind of warning, and it's
Speaker 3: going to ruin your whole day. But then you hold
Speaker 3: that little guy or a little girl and you're just
Speaker 3: super excited that the sleep can be meaningless and because
Speaker 3: it usually is.
Speaker 2: And that's a good way to get into this because
Speaker 2: I agree. I tried to take a nap today while
Speaker 2: the little man was napping. Don't feel any better. I
Speaker 2: just feel like my day continued. This is a good way, though,
Speaker 2: to continue on because you probably near the end of
Speaker 2: the cycle pretty worn out. It's a tiring thing, although
Speaker 2: it's split up a little which might make it a
Speaker 2: little bit easier. So we'll start here. What are your
Speaker 2: impressions of the way that things are split up now
Speaker 2: with the early signing period, with the now more traditional
Speaker 2: signing period still existing at the beginning of February. How
Speaker 2: has it affected things after a couple of years.
Speaker 3: Well, I think it's starting to trend to more and
Speaker 3: more guys the siding in December, and I think with
Speaker 3: more kids getting offers earlier in their high school career,
Speaker 3: they're done with the recruiting process, there's no need to
Speaker 3: drag it out. So you're seeing a lot more early commitments.
Speaker 3: You're seeing far more early enrollments. Remember there was a
Speaker 3: time when it was just quarterbacks that would try to
Speaker 3: early enroll. Now it's everybody. You're seeing half a recruiting
Speaker 3: class trying to enroll in time for January so they
Speaker 3: can be a part of spring football. And I think
Speaker 3: you're going to end up seeing it become a lot
Speaker 3: like the NCAA basketball recruiting cycle, where you have the
Speaker 3: November signing period and then there's a few guys that'll
Speaker 3: sign in April after maybe coaches move around after guys
Speaker 3: declared for the NBA. But with the way the recruiting
Speaker 3: period now is in December and it's only a six
Speaker 3: week gap, I think more guys are going to trend
Speaker 3: towards signing in December. There'll still be guys that will
Speaker 3: have to wait until February for a variety of reasons,
Speaker 3: whether that's official visits or whatnot, or they just want
Speaker 3: to see what potential coaching changes could happen, or if
Speaker 3: guys are leading at a position where maybe they're being
Speaker 3: recruited and they want to see what the depth start
Speaker 3: looks like. But I think more often than not, December
Speaker 3: is going to become kind of the key recruiting and
Speaker 3: signing period more than February has.
Speaker 1: We've heard more about the transfer portal, the so called
Speaker 1: transfer portal, over the last couple weeks and months than
Speaker 1: I can ever remember in the previous ten years of
Speaker 1: doing this show. What do you make of the prominence
Speaker 1: now of the transfer portal? I guess the prominence the
Speaker 1: growing number of transfers, high profile transfers that we see.
Speaker 1: How does that affect recruiting?
Speaker 3: Well, I think it's going to a maybe bring up
Speaker 3: questions when you have one school that has more guys
Speaker 3: that they probably were expecting to be in the portal.
Speaker 3: I think Penn STALOROD had somewhere near double digit schools
Speaker 3: and players in the portal. I think when you see
Speaker 3: schools that had multiple guys the leader speak to two teams,
Speaker 3: they already have a lot of traffic. They're on the
Speaker 3: depth chart, or why are guys looking to leave the program?
Speaker 3: I also not there's anything to question with ten stating
Speaker 3: obviously they've had a good run under Jans Frank and
Speaker 3: just using that as an example, is that going to
Speaker 3: be used as a negative recruiting tool. You're also going
Speaker 3: to see, you know, why are increasing amounts of players
Speaker 3: at a certain position leaving and consistently leaving? After this
Speaker 3: first year, We'll start to see news cycles and maybe
Speaker 3: one school keeps losing young quarterbacks or whatever it may
Speaker 3: be that could hurt them recruiting that position down the line.
Speaker 3: And I think what it is it's going to, you know,
Speaker 3: leave a lot of questions to be asked of the coaches.
Speaker 3: Why are so many guys getting to your school and
Speaker 3: after a year wanting to enter the transfer portal and
Speaker 3: wanted to leave? What's going on? What are the promises
Speaker 3: that are being made when they're being recruited that are
Speaker 3: not being kept when they're freshman that is making them
Speaker 3: want to leave. So I think that's going to be
Speaker 3: something that coaches are going to have to take a
Speaker 3: part of. And I also think it's going to have
Speaker 3: to be one of those things that they now have
Speaker 3: to start weighing in when it comes to recruiting the
Speaker 3: players that they're trying to replace them with. These guys
Speaker 3: are in the portal more often than not, they want
Speaker 3: to leave, They want to get out here. So now
Speaker 3: we've got to start recruiting maybe an extra player at
Speaker 3: that position, and we only are going to bring in
Speaker 3: two receivers maybe, but now we've got to receive it.
Speaker 3: It's leaving. Now we have to bring in three just
Speaker 3: to help our numbers. So in the middle of the
Speaker 3: cycle and especially later in the season when it seems
Speaker 3: like guys are going to want to be entering the
Speaker 3: plaros when they figure out during the season they're not playing,
Speaker 3: it may cost some reshuffling on the deck a little
Speaker 3: bit for positional groups and how you're recruiting that specific position.
Speaker 3: With the way the numbers are ironed out.
Speaker 2: You mentioned quarterbacks and rolling early, and also with the
Speaker 2: transfer portal, the dominoes of various positions, and obviously no
Speaker 2: position more domino focus than quarterback because only one guy
Speaker 2: can be on the field at the same time. And
Speaker 2: so this year's quarterback class, even before JT. Daniels enrolled
Speaker 2: early at USC, was not seen as particularly strong or deep.
Speaker 2: So at the top or even beyond the top, who
Speaker 2: are some I guess upside guys, both based on their
Speaker 2: own talents and the team situations in which they might
Speaker 2: find themselves.
Speaker 3: Well, I think he can. You know, the first one
Speaker 3: you would look at it would probably be Jaden Daniels
Speaker 3: at Arizona State. You know, he was the number two
Speaker 3: dual threat quarterback in the country in this class, and
Speaker 3: Aerzo State kind of came out of nowhere to get him.
Speaker 3: He had been leaning towards playing in either cal Uciley
Speaker 3: or Utah, and it really looked like at UCLA Utah
Speaker 3: battle for him. But then he sees the season that
Speaker 3: Manny Wilkins has. He obviously sees what Herr. Edwards is
Speaker 3: able to do in year one, and the fact that
Speaker 3: there really wasn't any kind of income in there at
Speaker 3: the quarterback position. They had, you know, some younger quarterbacks
Speaker 3: that had come in, but they already had two verbals
Speaker 3: in the twenty nineteen class, and then Jaden Daniels made
Speaker 3: it the third because he's the most similar to Nanny
Speaker 3: Wilkins and what Asu has done offensively, I think, you know,
Speaker 3: and obviously even with Joey Yellen, who was another four
Speaker 3: star quarterback out of Mission, Yo, and then Easton Long,
Speaker 3: the three star quarterback out of Oregon, they clearly wanted
Speaker 3: Jayden Daniels. So I think that that may gives him
Speaker 3: the edge in terms of being the guy for Arizona
Speaker 3: State down the line. He's already enrolled working in spring practice,
Speaker 3: and then he also, speaking of Arizona, Spencer Rattler out
Speaker 3: of Arizona, I would have thought he'd had a chance
Speaker 3: to come in this spring and maybe earn the starting
Speaker 3: job or at least, you know, give himself a shot
Speaker 3: at the starting job. Obviously he's a true freshman. There's
Speaker 3: going to be other quarterbacks there, but with Jalen Hurts
Speaker 3: grad transferring, maybe that's a nice way for Ratler to
Speaker 3: kind of ease into the role without being thrown into
Speaker 3: the fire right away. Obviously playing for the quarterback Whisper
Speaker 3: and Lincoln Riley. You know, you expect Jalen Hurts to
Speaker 3: have a big season and then Ratler can probably be
Speaker 3: the guy that takes over for him or into the
Speaker 3: quarterbacks that are there. Maybe they battle for it, but
Speaker 3: I think, you know, Rattler will still have a chance
Speaker 3: to compete for the starting role. I also think that
Speaker 3: Jayden Daniels, I mean, those two guys are kind of intertwined,
Speaker 3: and that they were the top quarterback in Pro style
Speaker 3: and duel threat out West and you know, Arizona State
Speaker 3: because they couldn't keep this kid in Phoenix. They had
Speaker 3: to go after Jaden and Daniels, and I think they
Speaker 3: both factor in heavily.
Speaker 2: Let's stay out West, but also not really stay out West,
Speaker 2: since it's a national story. California got completely rated and
Speaker 2: Jaden Daniels obviously goes to Arizona State, but you look
Speaker 2: up and down the West coast, Oregon and Washington succeeded
Speaker 2: in California, USC and UCLA with unexpectedly down recruiting classes,
Speaker 2: even with the lack of stability or new coaching staffs
Speaker 2: at USC and UCLA. But even beyond that, whether it
Speaker 2: was Texas coming in and getting a couple of big playmakers,
Speaker 2: even Clemson doing really well, Oklahoma, Michigan, a lot of
Speaker 2: schools really came in to the Golden State and plucked
Speaker 2: really high level talent. Why is that, you know.
Speaker 3: I think it's the culbination of a couple of things.
Speaker 3: Obviously USC's and it seems to be a lot of disarray,
Speaker 3: and then they lose clipp Kings very after the three
Speaker 3: weeks or so he spent on campus. There was the
Speaker 3: questions about Cleay Health's job. Then you have Chip Kelly,
Speaker 3: who kind of has an unorthodox and unconventional recruiting style
Speaker 3: that didn't seem to really emphasize recruiting until it was
Speaker 3: too late. So you take those two times, plus you
Speaker 3: take just the general feeling for the last fifteen twenty
Speaker 3: years as that West Coast kids applied the most open
Speaker 3: to leading their region than in the country, So schools
Speaker 3: know they can recruit and really try to focus on
Speaker 3: a kid out West. He's easier to convince to leave
Speaker 3: home than maybe kids in the Midwest or in the
Speaker 3: Southeast are. So then you take the fact that you've
Speaker 3: got Broo McCoy, who you knows from southern California, where
Speaker 3: Tom Herman's from, one of three Texas commits or signings
Speaker 3: that USC had targeted. They already had a commitment from
Speaker 3: Gabriel Floyd before he ended up flipping too Texas Brew
Speaker 3: was enrolled, and then he put the Texas and Chris
Speaker 3: Ada Mora out of Mayfair High School they had offered
Speaker 3: before his junior year he also went to Texas. So
Speaker 3: Tom Herman is going to be a presence in southern California,
Speaker 3: which is his former home. Chris Steele, top tenth player
Speaker 3: from southern California, going to Florida. Henry Toto the top
Speaker 3: player in northern California, He goes to Tennessee. Zach Sharbon
Speaker 3: at the top running back in California. He goes to
Speaker 3: Michigan than Joe Nagata, who I think, you know, even
Speaker 3: though he was the number nine player, I think he
Speaker 3: more than anybody besides Broom McCoy. Kind of speaks to
Speaker 3: the success of what you know Dabo's doing, but also
Speaker 3: how hard it is to keep those is local. He
Speaker 3: goes all the way across the country to Clemson. Dabbo
Speaker 3: comes to California to get him here's a kid who
Speaker 3: comes from a school that produced Washington's for your starting quarterback.
Speaker 3: Not only that, but his older brother, Ariel is a
Speaker 3: linebacker at Washington, and Washington never really seemed to be
Speaker 3: in the mix for him. So that's five of the
Speaker 3: top nine players in California leaving the PAC twelve footprint.
Speaker 3: And that doesn't even get into the players in Arizona
Speaker 3: or Colorado that also left the PAC twelve footprint to
Speaker 3: go to other schools and to other conferences. And then
Speaker 3: you have two players in southern California Mikaale Wright Cavon
Speaker 3: Thibodeaux that Oregon comes in a pluck. So you're not
Speaker 3: just dealing with national programs, but now you're dealing with
Speaker 3: the PAC twelve schools coming into your backyard and taking
Speaker 3: these guys.
Speaker 1: So since you mentioned Tom Herman, I have to ask
Speaker 1: about this. Obviously, we're going to get to number one Alabama,
Speaker 1: number two Georgia in the final twenty four to seven
Speaker 1: composite rankings. But at three you've got the Texas Longhorns,
Speaker 1: followed by Texas A and M, and the Aggies at
Speaker 1: number four. This jumped off the page to me, if
Speaker 1: only because I'm desperate to ask this question. Are we
Speaker 1: now setting up a Biggie slash two Pac style rap
Speaker 1: battle on the recruiting trail between Texas and Texas A
Speaker 1: and M.
Speaker 3: I think so. And I don't think that, you know,
Speaker 3: Tom Herman will back down from trying to raise the
Speaker 3: ire of Aggie fans in the state and to try
Speaker 3: to you know, remedy having to fly and recruit against
Speaker 3: Jimbo Fisher. So yeah, I absolutely think we're in that
Speaker 3: because both are going to be entrench there for a while.
Speaker 3: This is different than you know, Kevin someone came into
Speaker 3: A and M and that was the back end of
Speaker 3: mac Brown's career, or it was him recruiting against Charlie Sean.
Speaker 3: I think we now have a front row seat to
Speaker 3: what's going to be an absolutely fascinating recruiting battle between
Speaker 3: those two. And with now social media, there's going to
Speaker 3: be a lot of shade being thrown subtlely and pretty
Speaker 3: obviously between those two and their coaching staffs and the
Speaker 3: recruits and the players. So it's going to be very
Speaker 3: popcornworthy to watch those two because they both can recruit,
Speaker 3: they both have shown that they can coach and develop,
Speaker 3: and now they're battling in the state. Jimbo just has
Speaker 3: that little advantage where he's got the state of Florida
Speaker 3: where he's got experience, whereas Tom Herman has California. So
Speaker 3: now it becomes, you know, which state is more open
Speaker 3: to leaving the Florida kids going to and en to
Speaker 3: play for Herman. I'm sorry for Fisher or the California
Speaker 3: kids feeling free to leave California and go and play
Speaker 3: for Herman at Texas.
Speaker 1: Above them, though, of course, is Alabama one, Georgia at two.
Speaker 1: You look through the classes, the thing that jumps out
Speaker 1: at me, at least on the Georgia side, is how
Speaker 1: heavy they went on defense. Nolan Smith, of course, the
Speaker 1: number one overall player, Nakobe, Dean, Tyreek, Stevenson, all these
Speaker 1: guys are loaded for bear on the defensive side of
Speaker 1: the ball. It is apparent to me that that had
Speaker 1: to be a strategy by Kirby Smart.
Speaker 3: There's no question. And then you throw away in guys
Speaker 3: like Trevon Walker, who you know. We one of the
Speaker 3: new features on twenty four to seven was our five Stars.
Speaker 3: We each named our top player. I thought Travon Walker
Speaker 3: was the top player that Georgia signed in this class,
Speaker 3: even though I do love Nolan Smith, I mean Travon
Speaker 3: Walker six five, two eighty five. So he did it
Speaker 3: at each level. It was on the defensive line. He
Speaker 3: got good linebackers, he got good dvs. And I think
Speaker 3: it's very clear that Kirby is offering justice, you know,
Speaker 3: filthy of a defense in terms of the talent level
Speaker 3: there that what Alabama has and you know, the ability
Speaker 3: to not just go to Georgia and to play for him,
Speaker 3: but then turn around and get drafted highly. And I
Speaker 3: think that's what you know, really makes what he's doing
Speaker 3: there so quickly really help with getting this recruiting really rolling.
Speaker 3: Like it's been a last couple of classes. Is he's
Speaker 3: now shown to those three or four years he's been
Speaker 3: a Georgia the player development, the player, uh, the way
Speaker 3: the players come in and where they came in at
Speaker 3: Mark Rick. But then he got two or three years
Speaker 3: befo them and they're turning into first round picks and guys
Speaker 3: are there. They see that Kobe Dean was a guy
Speaker 3: that Alabama coveted majorly. He decides to go to Georgia.
Speaker 3: You have Nolan Smith, who Alabama was trying to flip late.
Speaker 3: He'd been a long typ commitment, and I think that
Speaker 3: it's a great blueprint to follow, you know. So now
Speaker 3: it's a matter of keep going on, adding that kind
Speaker 3: of on the offensive side of the ball, keep developing
Speaker 3: that talent on the off side of the ball. And
Speaker 3: they got that when they flip George Pickens, who be
Speaker 3: in a long time commit to Auburn on signing day
Speaker 3: kind of a shock. One of the big shocks of
Speaker 3: the day was here. He was a two year commit
Speaker 3: to Auburn out of Alabama and he announces for Georgia.
Speaker 3: That's how you quickly pass Alabama and they're not doing
Speaker 3: it yet, but that's how you position yourself to pass
Speaker 3: Alabama is you're not just adding the talent on defense,
Speaker 3: but you're adding that talent on offense. Because we know
Speaker 3: Nick Saban has been doing that, especially these last few years.
Speaker 1: When you look at Alabama, Brandon, do you look at
Speaker 1: this class and say, Okay, they addressed in need I
Speaker 1: understand why they did this or are they literally just
Speaker 1: showing off at this point collecting the talent that they are.
Speaker 3: You know, it's funny because there are two players on
Speaker 3: signing day that they thought that they were going to
Speaker 3: be able to get what was Chris Bobo, who had
Speaker 3: been committed to them, announced to them at the All
Speaker 3: American Bowl and then took to Florida and then Henry
Speaker 3: Toto to Daly, South goes to Tennessee instead Alabama and
Speaker 3: Alabama fans were bemoaning the fact that they didn't land
Speaker 3: those two. All that would have done with made the
Speaker 3: gap even wider between them and Georgia in this recruiting class.
Speaker 3: And they've just done such a good job of recruiting
Speaker 3: and evaluating and developing that you could lose guys that
Speaker 3: are top two or three players at that position that
Speaker 3: you think you have and you still have by far
Speaker 3: the best class in the country. And that's just scariest
Speaker 3: for Alabama that even when they lose the player here
Speaker 3: or there, they still have a rollodex in each position
Speaker 3: of just top level players that the rest of the
Speaker 3: country wanted. Whether it's on the offensive side of the ball,
Speaker 3: whether it's you know, on the offensive line getting Pierce
Speaker 3: Quick and Evan Neale, whether it's Antonio Alfano who actually
Speaker 3: finishes twenty four seven sports is number one overall player
Speaker 3: and you know he was overshadowed at Tons by Noel Smith,
Speaker 3: by Zach Harrison, by Keevon Thibodeau, by Trevon Walker, and
Speaker 3: Alfana comes down to San Antonio and dominates all week
Speaker 3: to move into the number one spot. And that's what
Speaker 3: Alabama does. Even the guys that maybe are a little
Speaker 3: bit more off the grid, under the raider a little bit,
Speaker 3: they go to a national event and absolutely dominate, and
Speaker 3: then they get to Alabama they do the same thing there.
Speaker 3: So it's just it's uncanny what Nick Saban has been
Speaker 3: able to do and the fact that he's been able
Speaker 3: to add so much talent on the offense side of
Speaker 3: the ball these last four or five cycles for a
Speaker 3: guy who's been known for all the great defensive players,
Speaker 3: I think that's just becoming a problem that we still
Speaker 3: haven't been able to see anybody completely figure out outside
Speaker 3: of Clemson these last couple of years.
Speaker 2: And one of the things that Nick Saban did, it
Speaker 2: looks like three of the top six players from Florida
Speaker 2: ended up going to Tuscaloosa. And it was certainly a
Speaker 2: down year outside of the Gators for recruiting in state
Speaker 2: among those powers in the Sunshine State. But Dan Mullen.
Speaker 2: In his first full cycle as Florida's coach, he finishes
Speaker 2: very well with his class, they get into the top ten.
Speaker 2: How do you feel about I guess the Gator class overall,
Speaker 2: and looking forward, do you imagine the state's powers will
Speaker 2: do a better job of keeping the very top end
Speaker 2: of the state's talent at home, especially now with Miami
Speaker 2: looking a little bit more stable.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And I think with Miami, if they can recruit
Speaker 3: the state like they've recruited a transfer wire this season,
Speaker 3: they're going to be in good shape moving forward. I
Speaker 3: think obviously, Manny Diaz is the guy that you know
Speaker 3: is going to connect with a lot of these recruits,
Speaker 3: and he's a reason that a lot of these recruits
Speaker 3: are are feeling the keys, especially going into the twenty
Speaker 3: twenty class. So that gives them stability with somebody who's
Speaker 3: a little bit more And you know, obviously Mark Rick
Speaker 3: was a stable coach at Georgie, was there a long time,
Speaker 3: and you know he brought that maturity to Miami. But
Speaker 3: you know, with many Diaz, you've got a guy who's
Speaker 3: just gonna get after it. He's going to bring that
Speaker 3: energy to match against the willy Tagger to match against
Speaker 3: Davo to or at least going to try to do
Speaker 3: what he can. But then you throw in what Mullin's done,
Speaker 3: and I mean, I think he showed immediately what kind
Speaker 3: of effect that he could have on recruits in this class,
Speaker 3: not just from the state of Florida, but really in
Speaker 3: the Southeast region. You know, will Willy Tagger get it
Speaker 3: figured out? That's the good quest, that's the million dollar question.
Speaker 3: I mean, he's had about as bad a first year
Speaker 3: as possible on the field and off the field. So
Speaker 3: he you know, I think that's going to make that
Speaker 3: seat that much warmer for him if he doesn't get
Speaker 3: it figured out quick, because Miami is starting to take
Speaker 3: a lot more of the headlines of the attention back
Speaker 3: with the hiring and many Diaz with these chances they
Speaker 3: have coming in. And then obviously Dan Mullen did a
Speaker 3: fantastic job recruiting wise with this class and then showed
Speaker 3: a lot of really good promise in the first year
Speaker 3: of the head coach with the new year six Bowl wins.
Speaker 2: We've talked about some of the top five top ten classes.
Speaker 2: I'm curious in your mind, who put together a class,
Speaker 2: maybe outside of the top fifteen twenty twenty five. That
Speaker 2: just that made your antenna's buzz a little bit, maybe
Speaker 2: in the way that like PJ. Fleck did a year
Speaker 2: last year or the year before, where you know he
Speaker 2: recruits Georgia well, the IMG Academy well, where he's put together,
Speaker 2: like who is put together? I guess that top thirty
Speaker 2: or forty ish class with a lot of those high
Speaker 2: upside three star guys.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that you know made did Land some
Speaker 3: a handful of four stars, But I think the class
Speaker 3: that definitely is the one that makes you stick out
Speaker 3: because you're not used to see him as Purdue and
Speaker 3: finished at number twenty five in the country obviously, all
Speaker 3: to talk about with Jeff brom Lee to go to
Speaker 3: Louis Bowel and then him staying at Purdue, I think
Speaker 3: that that showed that, you know, he's going to be
Speaker 3: there for a little while longer. He was able to
Speaker 3: spurn the alma mater to stay there, and I think
Speaker 3: that that helps with recruiting, not just in this class,
Speaker 3: but even moving forward, because now guys will see when
Speaker 3: a coach says, I'm not looking to leave, I'm not
Speaker 3: looking to go anywhere, and he turns down his alma
Speaker 3: mater who's kind of at their breaking point and desperate.
Speaker 3: He is willing to stay where and match what he said.
Speaker 3: And so, you know, holding on to a guy like
Speaker 3: George carlottis as a result of him, you know, staying
Speaker 3: at Purdue. He was a top fifty, top under player nationally,
Speaker 3: was heavily recruited by everybody, and decided to stay at home,
Speaker 3: and he's going to Purdue. David Bella another big time
Speaker 3: receiver prospect out of Indianapolis, A big physical kid. You know,
Speaker 3: he had plenty of op is elsewhere. He's standing going
Speaker 3: to Purdue. Milton Wright kid that I got to see
Speaker 3: at the Polynesia Bowl and I absolutely love watching him play.
Speaker 3: Another big physical kid, sixty three two hundred pounds. Interesting.
Speaker 3: I mean that he was from Louisville. So when I
Speaker 3: talked at the Polynesian Bowl, he said he was really
Speaker 3: watching to see what Brom did because he wanted to
Speaker 3: play for him. Maybe that would have been in his backyard.
Speaker 3: But when Brom said that he was sticking with Purdue,
Speaker 3: right stuck with Purdue. So you get a couple of
Speaker 3: those guys that are the top end type players. Those
Speaker 3: are obviously guys that you want to really build your
Speaker 3: class around. But then you got guy like Kyle Billidu,
Speaker 3: who played in both the All American Ball and the
Speaker 3: Polynesian Bowl out of Virginia coming in. And you just
Speaker 3: get guys like that that maybe you know they're coming
Speaker 3: from different conferences, different conference footprints, going out into Tennessee,
Speaker 3: going into Texas, going in to Virginia. I think that's
Speaker 3: showing that, you know, brom is willing to try to
Speaker 3: recruit against anybody, and this class was really evident of
Speaker 3: the recruiting efforts that he put on both in state
Speaker 3: and outside of the state.
Speaker 2: Let's stay in the region. Michigan made a big leap,
Speaker 2: arguably to an area of the rankings that they should
Speaker 2: normally be. Is that strictly a numbers thing that they
Speaker 2: could take more guys this year or did something I
Speaker 2: guess change strategically with the top of their class coming
Speaker 2: from very clearly a wide wide national net.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think that just kind of goes back
Speaker 3: to what Harbad knows what he could do when he
Speaker 3: was at Stanford. He recruited nationally. Stanford wasn't a school
Speaker 3: that just because they were in California, We're going to
Speaker 3: only recruit California. They were going to recruit nationally, and
Speaker 3: I think, you know, Harbaugh finally really had a lot
Speaker 3: of success out west where he has some good ties,
Speaker 3: but he really recruited coast to coast, and I think
Speaker 3: part of it was he didn't necessarily get himself into
Speaker 3: the spotlight as much this offseason and this recruiting cycle
Speaker 3: like he did maybe previous years, where you know, two
Speaker 3: years ago it was all about Najie Harrison trying to
Speaker 3: be a part of the satellite camps. The year before
Speaker 3: it was going into Alabama taking his shirt off. I
Speaker 3: think he just kind of laid low and just really
Speaker 3: recruited this year instead of making it about pr and
Speaker 3: constant going viral, this year was just about getting out
Speaker 3: there and doing it the old fashioned way and recruiting.
Speaker 3: He went into Ohio, you know, he got Eric A,
Speaker 3: He got Mazzie Smith to stay home in Michigan. He
Speaker 3: went down to Georgia to get Jalen Perry as well
Speaker 3: as Chris Hinton who was a you know, the son
Speaker 3: of a former NFL star, but then went out west
Speaker 3: to get his quarterback in Kaden Ncamary out in Nevada.
Speaker 3: Jack Charbonay, who was a top five running back nationally,
Speaker 3: went to Oaks Christian to get him, got Giles Jackson,
Speaker 3: kind of an electric do everything guy out of the
Speaker 3: Bay Area, went and got him. He went up into Connecticut,
Speaker 3: went down and went down to Florida, went to Illinois,
Speaker 3: and really kind of covered all four corners of the
Speaker 3: country and then everything in between. But did it kind
Speaker 3: of in a more subtle way this year, which I
Speaker 3: think kind of maybe saved the negative recruiting from schools
Speaker 3: that probably were doing a better job of doing that
Speaker 3: the previous three years when he seemed to be in
Speaker 3: the headlines all the time.
Speaker 1: You mentioned the state of Ohio obviously some news with
Speaker 1: Ryan Day taking over for Urban Meyer, and if you
Speaker 1: look at the recruiting rankings for what they're worth, Ohio
Speaker 1: State all the way down at umber fourteen, which of
Speaker 1: course is a spot that I'm sure a lot of
Speaker 1: other teams around the country would love to have, but
Speaker 1: for Ohio State it represents a bit of a drop off.
Speaker 1: They're perennially in the top five, certainly in the top
Speaker 1: ten in most seasons. Looking at their recruiting class, how
Speaker 1: do you think this plays out now moving forward under
Speaker 1: Ryan Day.
Speaker 3: Well, for one thing, I mean their class is small.
Speaker 3: I mean it's not from a lack of talent. They
Speaker 3: just were the only class, even in the top twenty
Speaker 3: five that didn't have more than twenty players side. They
Speaker 3: only had seventeen. I think the next closest class was
Speaker 3: a twenty one. So just from a pure number standpoint,
Speaker 3: it may not add up to being a top ten class,
Speaker 3: but you look at the talent that they pulled in.
Speaker 3: They're bringing in three five star players. One of them
Speaker 3: was a guy who'd spent time at number one in
Speaker 3: the country. And Zach Harrison, who's kind of a physical freak,
Speaker 3: more of a basketball player, six two and fifty three
Speaker 3: pounder who's still trying to figure out the game of
Speaker 3: football but has such great athleticism. And this is a
Speaker 3: guy that many people were pegging to go to Michigan,
Speaker 3: and House ultimately pulled him in after Ryan Day was hired.
Speaker 3: Then you got Garrett Wilson, a five star receiver out
Speaker 3: of Austin, Texas, who basically set the entire summer on
Speaker 3: fire by committing to Texas. Sorry spurning Texas because he's
Speaker 3: in Austin commit into Ohio State and set off World
Speaker 3: War three the team Ohio State and Texas and the
Speaker 3: Twitter war there, but then also going down to Georgia
Speaker 3: getting Harry Miller Jamison Williams out out of Missouri. So
Speaker 3: the players that they got are still tough in kids.
Speaker 3: And then if you look at where they're sitting in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty, they've got a class that's already got seven
Speaker 3: commitments and it's a top five class at this point.
Speaker 3: And I think now with their going we go obviously
Speaker 3: with the summer last year, with Irvan being suspended for
Speaker 3: the first three games of the uncertainty is he going
Speaker 3: to retire? Is he not going to retire? Now Ryan
Speaker 3: Day and his staff head into a full recruiting cycle.
Speaker 3: They'll head into the spring. They headed into January really
Speaker 3: knowing that he's there for the long haul. So that
Speaker 3: takes away a lot of the uncertainty. Now you're going
Speaker 3: to see hoose sate. I think be back to that
Speaker 3: top five class got from just a number standpoint, because
Speaker 3: there's stability in place once and for all.
Speaker 1: Ryan Day, of course not the only new coach in
Speaker 1: college football, and I know we ask you this question
Speaker 1: every year. But among some of the other names Brandon
Speaker 1: who impressed you with their ability to come on campus
Speaker 1: and make an early impact on the recruiting trail.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, I think it's going to be interesting
Speaker 3: because you look at their class. It wasn't that highly ranked,
Speaker 3: but I kind of like what melt Tucker did over
Speaker 3: at Colorado, And part of that's because I think that,
Speaker 3: you know, when you look at the success that he
Speaker 3: had as an assistant coach at Georgia, it just kind
Speaker 3: of he's been everywhere he's been in the NFL, he's
Speaker 3: been in the collegiate ranks, but you know, he kind
Speaker 3: of comes into a region that he's not as familiar with,
Speaker 3: and that's always the one gamble you take when you
Speaker 3: hire a guy who doesn't have a lot of ties
Speaker 3: to a specific region, and where's his connection going to
Speaker 3: come from? Can he convince the kids that come from
Speaker 3: where his main main territory has been to go to
Speaker 3: this new region. And I like what Colorado did in
Speaker 3: this class. It was only ranked ninth, but considering that
Speaker 3: there were a lot of players that DC commit when
Speaker 3: Mike McIntyre left, what he was able to bring in
Speaker 3: he brought in Levonte Chandal, who's the younger brother Lavaska Chanal,
Speaker 3: who obviously was a star for Colorado this last season.
Speaker 3: They've got Joshua Allen to stay on board. He was
Speaker 3: one of the top JUCO linebackers in the country. Originally
Speaker 3: from Oregon, then played at Arizona Western. They were able
Speaker 3: to keep Tarik Luckett, who actually didn't sign in December,
Speaker 3: look like he may end up going elsewhere. Oregon and
Speaker 3: USC were pushing for him, but he decided to stick
Speaker 3: with Colorado. So I like not only who melt Tucker
Speaker 3: really held on to in this class, but then also
Speaker 3: being able to go in and get some key guys.
Speaker 3: And I think that as he gets his feet under himself,
Speaker 3: they've already gotten a commitment from from twenty twenty in Colorado.
Speaker 3: The big key for melt Tucker is going to be
Speaker 3: more than anything is when there's that elite talent, and
Speaker 3: this is setting up to be the best high school
Speaker 3: class in Colorado in a long time. If he can
Speaker 3: really prioritize the state of Colorado like Kirbie Smart did
Speaker 3: right when he got to Georgia, then I think that
Speaker 3: if Tucker can do that, that's going to give him
Speaker 3: an advance because then he can then use his guys
Speaker 3: that have had California in there as their backyard, that
Speaker 3: he can go back into the southeast and really get
Speaker 3: Colorado back up to where I think people our age
Speaker 3: are used to seeing them where they were when they
Speaker 3: were in the Big Eight and the Big twelve.
Speaker 2: Really on, So let's follow this string. Who else is
Speaker 2: It doesn't have to be a new coach. It could
Speaker 2: be a coach who has shifted things, but who's strategy
Speaker 2: is noticeably different from what they've done or perhaps what
Speaker 2: coaches before then have done. You talked about Michigan and
Speaker 2: Jim Harbaughs sort of, you know, being a little bit
Speaker 2: more low key this year in terms of putting the
Speaker 2: Michigan brand out there. Who else has said, Okay, we've
Speaker 2: usually zigged, now we're going to zag. We've usually stayed local,
Speaker 2: Now we're going national. We've usually gone national, now we're
Speaker 2: going local. Who has shifted the way they've done things?
Speaker 3: I would say UCLA, And it's not been in a
Speaker 3: great way, but it's been very different. I mean, it
Speaker 3: was one of those things that at one point where
Speaker 3: you know, you can count how many players had an
Speaker 3: offer that was committable UCLA. On one hand, there were
Speaker 3: a lot of players that claimed offers from UCLA from
Speaker 3: Jim Moore and his staff, and then Ship Kelly came
Speaker 3: in and basically said, yes, your offer, still can't know
Speaker 3: your offer doesn't count. And there just never seemed to
Speaker 3: be an emphasis on recruiting during the spring and really
Speaker 3: into the summer. And then when the season came around.
Speaker 3: You couple that with a three and nine key and
Speaker 3: now you have no momentum on the field. And so
Speaker 3: we were used to seeing UCLA finish with top twenty classes.
Speaker 3: You know, what do they finish like that on the field?
Speaker 3: That was another story. But they were recruiting well, they
Speaker 3: were recruiting aggressively, offering a lot of players, and then
Speaker 3: they kind of go against that complete grain with Chip
Speaker 3: Kelly and it ends up being a you know, by
Speaker 3: what we've been used to seeing a pretty unimpressive class,
Speaker 3: pretty mad class as far as UCLA is concerned. But
Speaker 3: you know, we'll see if it works. They decided to
Speaker 3: try this new strategy of offering guys for the eighth
Speaker 3: day of the month. They offered twenty guys on Friday.
Speaker 3: It seemed to be more players. They offered on Friday,
Speaker 3: and they did in the entire twenty nineteen cycle. So
Speaker 3: we'll see if the strategy he to maybe pick up
Speaker 3: the pace a little bit more work from Chip Kelly.
Speaker 3: But when you see how you say recruited under Jim Moura,
Speaker 3: now see how it is been under Kelly. It definitely
Speaker 3: was one of those moments where I think people in
Speaker 3: the PAP twelve is going like, what in the heck
Speaker 3: are they doing? What's going on there?
Speaker 2: Is this a matter of Chip Kelly having the cachet
Speaker 2: to say, these are the guys I want for my
Speaker 2: program and I'm not changing how I do things.
Speaker 3: One thousand percent. Yes, it's Chip Kelly is saying this
Speaker 3: is how I'm gonna do it, and if you don't
Speaker 3: like it, then look somewhere else. But you know, can
Speaker 3: that strategy that maybe worked at Oregon in two thousand
Speaker 3: and eight or two thousand and nine or twenty ten,
Speaker 3: eleven and twelve work in twenty nineteen in the age
Speaker 3: of recruiting with social media, the age of you know,
Speaker 3: making yourself visible, making yourself have buzz. Look at the
Speaker 3: other schools in the PAC twelve that when they go
Speaker 3: on an unofficial visit or I'm sorry when the kid
Speaker 3: comes in on an unofficial visit, or when the coaches
Speaker 3: go out during the evaluation period. Everybody in the world
Speaker 3: knows that either that kids on campus or those coaches
Speaker 3: are on that kids campus. You clad everything so under
Speaker 3: the radar, and it had to have been by design
Speaker 3: and had to be the way Chip wanted to do it.
Speaker 3: But can that work in twenty nineteen when so much
Speaker 3: about recruiting is about visibility and the social media aspect
Speaker 3: of it.
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Speaker 2: Who are the schools that how they did on this
Speaker 2: in this year's cycle, in the twenty nineteen cycle stand
Speaker 2: out to you as Okay, this is who they are
Speaker 2: from now on, either in a really good or bad way,
Speaker 2: I guess outside of UCLA. So who is that team
Speaker 2: who really made the jump that you expect to stay
Speaker 2: up pretty high and who is a team that has
Speaker 2: fallen and you don't really see a way that they
Speaker 2: can get back up.
Speaker 3: I would say Organ. I mean, we know that Organ
Speaker 3: has been able to recruit years when they brought in
Speaker 3: elite players like the Anthony Thomas and Eric Arnstead and
Speaker 3: consecutive years. But the thoroughness of which they recruited this year,
Speaker 3: I mean that's attributed largely to the approach Mario Cristobal
Speaker 3: took this year as the head coach, and I think
Speaker 3: you look back to his time at Alabama, where he
Speaker 3: was once the National recruiter of the Year, he was
Speaker 3: an SEC recruitter of the Year. He understands the importance
Speaker 3: of the head coach getting involved in recruiting, but he
Speaker 3: also understands the importance of empowering and enabling his staff
Speaker 3: to get out and be aggressive recruiters. And he would
Speaker 3: talk to kids that would take their unofficial visits. They
Speaker 3: would say, man, the second I got off the elevator,
Speaker 3: there are thirty coaches and staffers cheering and yelling and
Speaker 3: screaming for me when I got off, And that left
Speaker 3: an impression on me. And so that comes down from
Speaker 3: the top. And I think you're going to see Oregon
Speaker 3: be a school. I mean, they're offering a lot of players.
Speaker 3: They probably offer more players than any Pac twelve school does,
Speaker 3: but they're also hitting on a large rate of the
Speaker 3: guys that they really really want. There was a great
Speaker 3: article in Sports Illustrated last week about the offers that
Speaker 3: are committable and that are uncommittable. But I think, you know,
Speaker 3: a lot of schools do those kind of offerings. But I
Speaker 3: also think that when Oregon really kind of sets their
Speaker 3: sights on a kid, especially in the twenty nineteen class,
Speaker 3: they see the success of that with getting that kid's
Speaker 3: commitment and ultimately him signing. So they ended up with
Speaker 3: the top class in the PAC twelve. And I think,
Speaker 3: you know, Oregon has a brand. There's enough of these
Speaker 3: kids that to them, twenty sixteen was an anomaly, that
Speaker 3: was the exception to the rule. In their minds Oregon
Speaker 3: has been the prime team in the West Coast and
Speaker 3: the PAC twelve for the last eight to ten years.
Speaker 3: This is a team that a lot of these kids
Speaker 3: grew up watching. So these Southern California kids weren't necessarily
Speaker 3: dreaming a plan for sc like you would think or
Speaker 3: for you feel like you think they were dreaming a
Speaker 3: plan for Oregon, and you saw that in this class
Speaker 3: with how they recruited Southern California. So I think that's
Speaker 3: the school that absolutely is going to be a top ten,
Speaker 3: top twelve type recruiting program over the next couple of years,
Speaker 3: as long as Mario Christenbaul is there, because he's just
Speaker 3: got a completely different approach than Chip Kelly and Mark
Speaker 3: Helfrich did and that he wants to be visible. He
Speaker 3: understands recruiting is the lifeblood of the program, so he's
Speaker 3: going to continue to get out there. I would say
Speaker 3: that they're probably that one that you kind of look
Speaker 3: at and say, all right, they're going to be around.
Speaker 3: They're going to be a factor. They're going to be
Speaker 3: a problem for some schools to deal with, not just
Speaker 3: in the PAC twelve but nationally. And then as far
Speaker 3: as on the flip side, I mean, is Florida State
Speaker 3: at eighteen? Is that going to be the norm? I mean,
Speaker 3: can Willy Taggart get this thing figured out? We're not
Speaker 3: used to seeing Florida State down that low. We're used
Speaker 3: to seeing them being a top ten teen and usually
Speaker 3: a top five team in recruiting, you know, but here
Speaker 3: they are at eighteen. Is this going to speak? Is
Speaker 3: this speaking to a larger issue? And if it is
Speaker 3: a larger issue, how long does this issue go on?
Speaker 3: Because all the buzz now in the state of Florida
Speaker 3: is going to Many Diaz, it's going to Dan Mullen
Speaker 3: and Florida State, which has always seemingly had the most
Speaker 3: buzz of any school to certainly over the last decade.
Speaker 3: Now they're they're running third. And then you still have
Speaker 3: the you know, not that they're losing guys readily in
Speaker 3: U see it, but even ucfs getting a lot more
Speaker 3: buzz than them. So Willy Taggart's got to get that
Speaker 3: fixed quick. Otherwise they may be a top fifteen to
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five, which most schools to be happy about,
Speaker 3: but not with Forlorida State. Not when you're still on
Speaker 3: a gold mine of talent like they are.
Speaker 1: Well, since you did Oregon, we got to do Notre Dame.
Speaker 1: Riddle me this brandon about Notre Dame. Brian Kelly has
Speaker 1: the Irish to a point where pretty consistently they're turning
Speaker 1: in very strong recruiting classes. Recruiting is not so much
Speaker 1: the issue at Notre Dame, but then came along that
Speaker 1: playoff semi final matchup against Clemson. Now they ran into
Speaker 1: a buzzsaw. Granted, but there are a lot of fans
Speaker 1: out there asking They're looking at the recruiting class and
Speaker 1: they're saying, what did Notre Dame do to make up
Speaker 1: that talent gap? What did Notre Dame do to make
Speaker 1: themselves better and more competitive against the top echelon of
Speaker 1: college football? Is there a tell in this class how
Speaker 1: they got better.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think that they got better in the trenches. Now,
Speaker 3: whether that's going to make a difference next year or
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty that quickly, probably not. I think they're
Speaker 3: going to see their bigger recruiting bump going into the
Speaker 3: twenty twenty class because a lot of these kids' minds
Speaker 3: were already made up before Notre Dame even played in
Speaker 3: the playoff game, before the season even started. So I
Speaker 3: think they're really going to see whether they can close
Speaker 3: that gap. Start to happen in the twenty twenty class
Speaker 3: when those kids had a full year of recruiting, and
Speaker 3: now when Notre Dame walks in in the spring during
Speaker 3: the evaluation period, you know, kids, remember, Hey, they still
Speaker 3: did go to a playoff game. It may have been
Speaker 3: a blowout, but Alabama got blown out, and I get that.
Speaker 3: There's one good thing that happened to Notre Dame. It's
Speaker 3: that Damma got beat even worse in the National Championship Game.
Speaker 3: So people are just going to look at dude. Crumson
Speaker 3: was on a different level. What I think Notre Dame
Speaker 3: did really well this year though, is they did a
Speaker 3: great job on the offensive line and the defensive line,
Speaker 3: really and just in the trenches. And that's where I
Speaker 3: think a lot of schools have had the advantage on
Speaker 3: Notre Dame in the year's passes that they've been able
Speaker 3: to beat them up up front, and which is different
Speaker 3: because we're used to seeing Notre Dame having good line.
Speaker 3: But I think that you know, they've recruited even better
Speaker 3: line and they still got some key players at the
Speaker 3: skill positions coming in. But I really think moving forward
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty, it's going to be the year where
Speaker 3: that gap really starts to get closer. And I mean
Speaker 3: there's some guys in this Notre Dame class that I
Speaker 3: really am high on. I love the offensive line that
Speaker 3: got ze Karel Quinn Carroll out of Minnesota, Ohio, Minnesota, respectively.
Speaker 3: They got you know, a really good defensive lineman out
Speaker 3: of Texas and Nanosafa Mensa. They went out west, got
Speaker 3: a couple of really good players from northern California. Isaiah
Speaker 3: rut Thefford, who was a cal Legacy's dad was a
Speaker 3: former starting running back for Cal. He spurned a lot
Speaker 3: of West Coast schools to go to Notre Dame. And
Speaker 3: then Isaiah Foski, who was one of the top tight
Speaker 3: end recruits out West, and then Notre Dame turned it
Speaker 3: on and said, we think you're going to be an
Speaker 3: elite defensive end, and he became open to the defensive
Speaker 3: line idea, and the Irish got him to announce on
Speaker 3: signing day. But then the best player in this class,
Speaker 3: in my opinion, it is Kyle Hamilton. You know, he
Speaker 3: was a guy that was under the radar. He goes
Speaker 3: to the Opening Finals last summer and was fantastic, and
Speaker 3: then goes to the All American Ball this year and
Speaker 3: really just shined from beginning to end. And here's a
Speaker 3: guy who wasn't even the top two four seven going
Speaker 3: into his junior year. He finishes as the number one
Speaker 3: safety in the country by twenty four seven Sports and
Speaker 3: a top fifteen player nationally out of Atlanta, and a
Speaker 3: guy that I think that's the kind of player you
Speaker 3: need to sign a lot of to really be able
Speaker 3: to compete with the clencident and the Alabama tack programs
Speaker 3: year in and year out.
Speaker 2: To be clear, Ty, he did mention Brandon mentioned Oregon
Speaker 2: doing well and establishing itself as a potential regional and
Speaker 2: national power with Mario Christobal, but did not go through
Speaker 2: the class, right, So in terms of where Oregon's class
Speaker 2: ended up as a top what six, seven eight class
Speaker 2: in the country, and you know, I think they're somewhere
Speaker 2: around ten eleven twelve in terms of talent level and
Speaker 2: average grade for these players who are the names that
Speaker 2: you believe to be not necessarily instant impact guys, but
Speaker 2: you are confident will leave a mark in the PAC
Speaker 2: twelve in the years to come.
Speaker 3: Obviously, Kavon Pibodeau, he was the number two player in
Speaker 3: the Composite ranking, the number one player of the state
Speaker 3: of California, the highest rated player that I think Oregon
Speaker 3: is has signed in the modern era. A defensive end
Speaker 3: who's going to come in and play right away. He's
Speaker 3: got that type of ability where he's not just going
Speaker 3: to compete for playing time. It's going to be a
Speaker 3: matter of how many snaps does he get. He's going
Speaker 3: to be starting, you know, can he It's just a
Speaker 3: matter that he put on the way this offseason because
Speaker 3: he's got the speed, he's got the quickness, he's got
Speaker 3: the athleticism to be an impact age. This need to
Speaker 3: be a little bit of way to handle those offensive
Speaker 3: linemen in college but he is obviously the crown jewel
Speaker 3: this class. But then there's other guys like Mikaale Wright,
Speaker 3: a elite corner, top fifty player nationally out of Southern California,
Speaker 3: Joonata Newho out of Harbor City, and Narbonne High School,
Speaker 3: which is another school that USC has recruited well out
Speaker 3: of these last couple of years. Top ten offensive lineman nationally.
Speaker 3: Michah Pittman is one of my favorite football players in
Speaker 3: this class. A Calabasas coyote for you, Dan, so yeah,
Speaker 3: I know you'll be rooting for him. The son of
Speaker 3: former NFL running back Michael Pittman and the younger brother
Speaker 3: of that team receiver Michael Pittman Junior. Micah, you know,
Speaker 3: may not have the physical traits that some of the
Speaker 3: other receivers have in this class, that are those six
Speaker 3: two six three guys, but he's just lightening a ball
Speaker 3: that he's such a physical just he just got a
Speaker 3: lot of dog in him and he gets out and
Speaker 3: he makes place happen. And he's another guy that I
Speaker 3: really like in this class. And then Patrick Herbert, who's
Speaker 3: the younger brother Justin Herbert. He was the number one
Speaker 3: player in the state of Oregon really didn't see a
Speaker 3: need to look anywhere else. He committed Oregon very early on.
Speaker 3: He's a top ten tight end nationally. So you know,
Speaker 3: they only signed one player from the state of Oregon,
Speaker 3: but they made account. It was from Eugene and it
Speaker 3: was the brother of their quarterback. And was that enough
Speaker 3: to movie keep justin at school front of a year?
Speaker 3: Who knows. I know that was something that was talked
Speaker 3: about by both of them and something they would both
Speaker 3: like to pursue. If you're an Oregon fan, you'll just
Speaker 3: hang out him. The fact that maybe that was the
Speaker 3: ultimate tipping point for him to keep him there. So
Speaker 3: they did a really good job in California. They did
Speaker 3: a good job in Oregon, but then they did recruit nationally.
Speaker 3: Went down before they got a couple of kids. They
Speaker 3: got a top five JUCO player, a six seven, three
Speaker 3: hundred and forty five pound lineman out of Texas from
Speaker 3: the JUCO ranks. So they did a really good job
Speaker 3: of recruiting the whole country, which is what they've been
Speaker 3: able to do these last couple of years, but really
Speaker 3: made California kind of be the home base this yeason.
Speaker 2: Two teams that really did a great job, and you
Speaker 2: mentioned this with Notre Dame and how they were absolutely
Speaker 2: a playoff team and have translated that this year moving
Speaker 2: forward into recruiting success. Two teams though, Oklahoma and Washington,
Speaker 2: have both steadily grown their recruiting footprint and the level
Speaker 2: of talent they're bringing in. I know watching it, did
Speaker 2: a very good job along the lines, and Oklahoma brought
Speaker 2: in what appears to be the best receiver class in
Speaker 2: the country. Do you feel like this level of talent
Speaker 2: for these schools and his depth of talent is the
Speaker 2: new normal for the Sooners and the Huskies.
Speaker 3: There's no question, And I think with obviously the hiring
Speaker 3: of Alex Grange, there's going to be a renewed effort
Speaker 3: to get big time defensive players for Oklahoma because Austen's
Speaker 3: hasn't been their problem. But if you're having a hard
Speaker 3: time tackling teams and you're having a hard time stopping teams,
Speaker 3: you'd better be able to score. So what do they do.
Speaker 3: They go get the two of the top three receivers
Speaker 3: in the country, including one of them being from Georgia
Speaker 3: in Jaya and Haeswid who was the number one receiver
Speaker 3: in the country. They keep Coe's in the mix, and
Speaker 3: then they go get the top quarterback in the country
Speaker 3: and Spencer Rattler. So they've added better talent to an
Speaker 3: already talented offensive depth chart. So that gives them continued
Speaker 3: weapons on their offensive arsenal. But defensively, that's where they
Speaker 3: really are going to probably see a focus over these
Speaker 3: next couple of classes. There's still some good players on
Speaker 3: the defensive side of the ball, don't get me wrong,
Speaker 3: but I think this class was really highlighted by their
Speaker 3: offensive talent, which makes sense because Lincoln Riley is an
Speaker 3: offensive group. But now I think with the with the
Speaker 3: presence of Alex Grange, there's going to be even more
Speaker 3: renewed effort to improve in the defense, and this class
Speaker 3: was a good start towards that. And as they continue
Speaker 3: to really bring in top end defensive talent to go
Speaker 3: with this just special elite of talent, Oklahoma's not going
Speaker 3: anywhere for a while. Washington, on the other hand, you know,
Speaker 3: you look at what's been the difference in some of
Speaker 3: the games that they've lost these last couple of years
Speaker 3: on the national scale, It's been usually upfront, it's been
Speaker 3: not just the skill positions. They've had the skill position,
Speaker 3: but it's been the offensive line, the defensive line, and
Speaker 3: they bring in arguably the best defensive line class the
Speaker 3: Pac ten has seen in the fact twelve a scene
Speaker 3: in probably a decade. They got four big time defensive tackles,
Speaker 3: they got two or three really good defensive ends, a
Speaker 3: great linebacking corps, a great defensive back corps. And then offensively,
Speaker 3: they were able to bring in five really talented offensive linemens,
Speaker 3: some that are already on campus and it will be
Speaker 3: a part of spring football. They've got a four star
Speaker 3: quarterback who was a four year starter down in Graham
Speaker 3: Washington and Dylan Morris, and then they signed in Probably
Speaker 3: the best addition to the class late was getting the
Speaker 3: decision from Puka Nakua, who was the Utah Player of
Speaker 3: the Year, the Polynesian Football Player of the Year, the
Speaker 3: All American Offensive Player of the Year over two thousand
Speaker 3: yards receive it. He had been a commit to USC
Speaker 3: but then when didn't sign in December, when Cliff kings
Speaker 3: Very left, it looked like he was going to be
Speaker 3: an Oregon Washington battle and he signed with Washington yesterday,
Speaker 3: announced to them on Sunday, ninth, So that just gave
Speaker 3: him another threat offensively where they did really well on
Speaker 3: the lines, they could have used one more pass catcher,
Speaker 3: and they got in one of the best in the West.
Speaker 3: And I think you're going to continue to see Chris
Speaker 3: Peterson and his staff recruit at a high level now
Speaker 3: that they've got just this plus thorugh of talent coming in,
Speaker 3: but then also going out and getting drafted high.
Speaker 2: Clemson's never in these conversations of teams that are finishing
Speaker 2: top two, top three, top four, but they're clearly one
Speaker 2: of the two teams that are in college football's top tier.
Speaker 2: Is are they just better at evaluating? Are they better
Speaker 2: at developing? Are they better at just keeping guys from transferring?
Speaker 2: What is it about Clemson and how they recruit that
Speaker 2: is uniquely successful.
Speaker 3: Well, I think they're better at developing than probably just
Speaker 3: about anyone. I mean, you see some of these guys
Speaker 3: that come in that maybe aren't as highly touted, and
Speaker 3: then they leave and they set all kinds of records.
Speaker 3: They've been multi year starters, but they've gotten a lot
Speaker 3: of banks for their buck on the top rated guys
Speaker 3: they had brought in. Obviously, Mitch Hyatt a four year
Speaker 3: starter who was an outstanding recruit when he came out.
Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence, you know, one of the best quarterbacks I
Speaker 3: think in the history of recruiting, comes in and wins
Speaker 3: the NATS Championship. So not only have they done a
Speaker 3: good job developing, but they've gotten that impact from those
Speaker 3: high level players in a sport where you see a
Speaker 3: higher bus ratio than maybe you do in college basketball
Speaker 3: from your highly rated players. They're getting everything that they
Speaker 3: expect out of those highly rated players. And when they
Speaker 3: lose a guy like a Hunter Johnson or Kelly Bryant,
Speaker 3: it's because you've got a generational talent at quarterback, like
Speaker 3: they did with Trevor Lawrence. So you look at this
Speaker 3: class and you really can't say there's a weakness anywhere.
Speaker 3: And you look at some of the guys they have
Speaker 3: in this class that maybe aren't as highly ranked as others,
Speaker 3: and because they do such a good job of development,
Speaker 3: because they have so much stability in that coaching staff,
Speaker 3: that allows those players to develop and be an impact
Speaker 3: player for clubs of whether it's earlier in their career,
Speaker 3: but like you said, they do they seem to do
Speaker 3: a better job with the exceptional quarterback of keeping those
Speaker 3: guys from leaving and just being an understanding understanding you
Speaker 3: gotta wit your turn. You're gonna get your shot, and
Speaker 3: when you get your shot, you're going to make the
Speaker 3: most of it.
Speaker 2: As we know, coaches that are coaching at G five schools,
Speaker 2: if they're successful, they become coaches coaching at Power five schools.
Speaker 2: So in the G five sphere, who put together a
Speaker 2: class and which coach stands out as that recruiter that
Speaker 2: I guess made your I've been using this phrase for
Speaker 2: whatever reason. Major Antenna's buzz.
Speaker 3: Maintez were buzzing but a lot because of what Brian
Speaker 3: Harson did at Boise State, and you know, they really
Speaker 3: have made themselves a presence as probably the best Group
Speaker 3: of five program over the last fifteen years on the
Speaker 3: field and recruiting. I think obviously ecf is is closing
Speaker 3: the gap. They've had a nice run in these last
Speaker 3: four or five years with two or with the BCS
Speaker 3: Bowl and then two year six Bowls. But obviously Josh Hipel,
Speaker 3: you know, is he going to be able to continue
Speaker 3: to maintain this program? It sure seems to do. They
Speaker 3: have a good recruiting class. They actually went back into
Speaker 3: flood into Hawaii to get their quarterback in Dyllan Gabriel,
Speaker 3: who comes from the same high school that McKenzie milton does.
Speaker 3: Gabriel had offers from Georgia and USC late and then
Speaker 3: decided to sign with UCF. So that's the kind of
Speaker 3: recruiting battles that you want to keep winning when you're
Speaker 3: a group of five coach that you can go up
Speaker 3: against the traditional power power five schools and beat them.
Speaker 3: But then you look at what Boise State did. I mean,
Speaker 3: they had three four stars just in the twenty four
Speaker 3: to seven the Sports Composite and six in the twenty
Speaker 3: four to seven rankings. When you look at their quarterback
Speaker 3: that they got, Hank Fockmeyer. He was a record sitting
Speaker 3: quarterback in California at through for over ten thousand yards.
Speaker 3: He had offers from numerous Power five schools, stuck with
Speaker 3: Boise State. When other schools would lose their quarterback, they
Speaker 3: would try to make a run in him, he stuck
Speaker 3: with Boise State. And I think that that shows you
Speaker 3: what this program is doing where they're not losing players
Speaker 3: that want those Power five offers like they did years
Speaker 3: ago when they were still kind of the BCS busters
Speaker 3: and BCS schools would come around and they could be
Speaker 3: the tenth best team in a BCS conference, but those
Speaker 3: kids wanted to play in a BCS conference. I think
Speaker 3: Chris Peterson and now Brian Hyson have done such a
Speaker 3: good job of developing players showing that they can shine
Speaker 3: at that level and be drafted at a high rate
Speaker 3: and a high level, that these kids are looking at
Speaker 3: Boise State as a destination program. So it's no surprise
Speaker 3: that probably the two most successful group of five schools
Speaker 3: over the last ten to fifteen years are the two
Speaker 3: schools that did the best job recruiting wise this year.
Speaker 1: All right, Brandon Hoffman from twenty four to seven sports
Speaker 1: are resident encyclopedia on all things recruiting. I've got two
Speaker 1: more for you, and then I promise we'll let you
Speaker 1: out of here. The first is, of course, we have
Speaker 1: to talk about Mac Brown and Less Miles coming back
Speaker 1: into the college football sphere after a long layover away
Speaker 1: from the game. How would you evaluate how both of
Speaker 1: those guys did now back on the recruiting trail trying
Speaker 1: to build up their respective programs.
Speaker 3: Well, I want to look at see what these safeties
Speaker 3: at North Carolina is bringing in because I want to
Speaker 3: see how good quarterbacks they'll be when they leave. But
Speaker 3: in the meantime, you know, but in the meantime, I
Speaker 3: think that both have classes that you know, considering the
Speaker 3: later start that they both got. You know, North Carolina
Speaker 3: finished in the top thirty five class. The year before,
Speaker 3: they were in the top twenty. But you know, considering
Speaker 3: how late in the game that they kind of had
Speaker 3: to get in with this class, they were able to
Speaker 3: flip Sam Howe, who had been a long time commit
Speaker 3: to Florida State. He was a quarterback, was committed. He
Speaker 3: had a really good week at the All American Ball
Speaker 3: and had a good showing in the game. He was
Speaker 3: a top three dual threat quarterback nationally. To flip him
Speaker 3: from Florida State to North Carolina obviously was big. You know,
Speaker 3: they were able to get some of these key guys
Speaker 3: like Eugena Sante, who really seemed to be kind of
Speaker 3: the one of the hot names during the January signing
Speaker 3: period because he didn't announce in December and decided to
Speaker 3: use Janius So he kind of was getting coached by everybody,
Speaker 3: and everybody was trying to get him, so for them
Speaker 3: to be able to sign him on signing day, I
Speaker 3: think that that just shows you, you know, what Mack
Speaker 3: Brown can do in a quick, little two to three
Speaker 3: month window. That's what he and his staff are going
Speaker 3: to be able to do over the course of the
Speaker 3: next year. And then with Kansas, I mean, obviously with
Speaker 3: Less models, there's not going to be short on a
Speaker 3: tension about the Kansas program. And I think it's differ
Speaker 3: than you know, maybe when Charlie Weiss was there, because
Speaker 3: Less is a guy the media loves and I think
Speaker 3: fans of college football just loves seeing what he's going
Speaker 3: to do next. And he really used that to his
Speaker 3: advantage and Kansas ended up being able to get a
Speaker 3: four star defensive lineman on signing day out of Texas,
Speaker 3: Stephen Parker, six and twenty pound founder who's a you know,
Speaker 3: fantastic pass rusher, And those are the kind of battles
Speaker 3: that I think Liz Miles is going to find himself
Speaker 3: getting involved in a little bit more. You know, they
Speaker 3: only got one four star in this class, but I
Speaker 3: think you're going to see them at two or three
Speaker 3: or four every year for these next couple of years
Speaker 3: because less most how to slay it in the living
Speaker 3: room with the families. He knows how to aggressively recruit,
Speaker 3: and he's still well thought of in a lot of
Speaker 3: major reasons in the country. So that's going to allow
Speaker 3: him to go into those schools. And even though he's
Speaker 3: a Kansas not ASU anymore. Because people genuinely love Les
Speaker 3: Miles and high school coaches love him, and a lot
Speaker 3: of coaches in certain parts of the country where he
Speaker 3: wants to recruit love him. That's going to open the
Speaker 3: door for him.
Speaker 1: Finally, and most important on this show, my favorite name
Speaker 1: of the twenty nineteen class. He's an offensive tackle. He
Speaker 1: goes by the name of Pierce Quick, and I love
Speaker 1: it because it's got a little John oxymoronic quality to it.
Speaker 1: I know you are someone with a keen interest in
Speaker 1: names such as these, Brandon. If not Pierce Quick, then
Speaker 1: who in this class was your favorite name?
Speaker 3: Oh man, I mean it's hard to top Pierce Quick.
Speaker 3: There was one Candian Organs class, and I'm gonna try,
Speaker 3: and I'm really usually good at Polynesian names, but this one,
Speaker 3: because of all the vowels in it, it still has
Speaker 3: scored me. And I just like stopped trying to name
Speaker 3: it. It's Mala Salila almuve la Lulu whoa, and it just
Speaker 3: because of all I mean, it's like a will of
Speaker 3: fortune gold mine with all the vowels in there. And
Speaker 3: then he's six seven, three hundred and forty five pounds
Speaker 3: on top of that. So it makes sense that one
Speaker 3: of the biggest players in this class has one of
Speaker 3: the biggest and longest names. But you know, we were
Speaker 3: kind of robbed of the Saint Browns family this year
Speaker 3: with them no longer having any other children, no more Equanimius,
Speaker 3: no more Osiris, no more almon Roz. So you know,
Speaker 3: I'm having to go with the long, multi hyphenated names
Speaker 3: as the ones that really kind of wet the whistle.
Speaker 2: This year, we're working towards general Booty. In twenty twenty
Speaker 2: one in Texas, we're working towards general Booty, and I
Speaker 2: believe and maybe you can take a step at this
Speaker 2: for next year when we do our show. The number
Speaker 2: one quarterback in the twenty twenty class. His name is
Speaker 2: pronounced dj Wango La les huang Lele. Okay. That's okay,
Speaker 2: that's easier than I thought it was going to be.
Speaker 2: Ty you are going to struggle.
Speaker 3: God bless his parents for a name and him dj
Speaker 3: oh the best because he's becoming a two letter name.
Speaker 3: A You know, we just known him by his first name,
Speaker 3: and thank you mister missus Angilele for doing that. But
Speaker 3: I now figured out how to spell it without having
Speaker 3: to go back and copy and paste, and I can
Speaker 3: spell that thing masterfully. So good luck to Oregon or
Speaker 3: Clemson right now because of the two schools leading for him.
Speaker 3: Would luck to their PA announcers and their radio play
Speaker 3: by play gust for having the start. We might as
Speaker 3: well start practicing those names now.
Speaker 2: The dj U era, I think is what it's going
Speaker 2: to be.
Speaker 1: I like it again. Brandon Hoffman truly an encyclopedia for
Speaker 1: all things recruiting. Brandon can't thank you enough Man, Thanks
Speaker 1: for stopping by again.
Speaker 2: He's our kind of guy. Ty, he's an okage.
Speaker 3: Hey, thanks for having me on guys. I always enjoy it.
Speaker 2: Alrighty, Dan, there you go.
Speaker 1: That is Brandon Hoffman, longtime friend of the podcast. I
Speaker 1: can't even count the number of times we've had him
Speaker 1: on the show over the last decade, but I've said
Speaker 1: it time and again and encyclopedia, a wealth of recruiting knowledge.
Speaker 1: I always feel like I learned something I did in
Speaker 1: this case as well, and I'm guessing you did too.
Speaker 2: I did. And you know, it's one of those things
Speaker 2: where we could have easily done a three hour show.
Speaker 2: And I'm sure somebody's going to listen to this show
Speaker 2: and say, you know, why don't we talk more about
Speaker 2: the job you know, Jeremy preue it did at Tennessee
Speaker 2: after disappointing season they bring in like twelve or thirteen
Speaker 2: blue chip guys, Why don't we talk more about Auburn
Speaker 2: or why don't we talk about Penn State? The job
Speaker 2: they did? I think they finished second in the Big Ten.
Speaker 2: The reason is there are so many teams. There are
Speaker 2: so many teams to talk about, so we just want
Speaker 2: to present him with a question. Where his mind goes
Speaker 2: with the question is where it goes. But certainly, and
Speaker 2: we mentioned this before after the early signing period, Nebraska
Speaker 2: did a good job after they finished the season in
Speaker 2: an encouraging way. I think they finished with the top
Speaker 2: twenty class. Stanford normally finishes a bit higher. They don't
Speaker 2: take huge classes, obviously having academic restrictions, but they still
Speaker 2: finish in the top twenty five. Ole miss after a
Speaker 2: pretty terrible year. Matt Luke did a decent job on
Speaker 2: the recruiting trail Arkansas. You know they will offer playing
Speaker 2: time because after not winning a game in the SEC,
Speaker 2: it's all the man's jobs to be won. Wisconsin actually
Speaker 2: with a pretty decent class finishing in the top thirty.
Speaker 2: Miami falls and it couldn't have helped that Mark Rick
Speaker 2: left when he did, which I believe was after the
Speaker 2: early signing period led That may point to how much
Speaker 2: that staff was engaged with everything near the end when
Speaker 2: things seem to fall apart for the Hurricanes. And you
Speaker 2: asked a good question about Les Miles and Mac Brown
Speaker 2: North Carolina, especially with that quarterback poll that Brandon Huffman
Speaker 2: talked about. I think his name is Sam Howell from
Speaker 2: Florida State. They finish in an interesting way as they
Speaker 2: try to get out of the bottom of the ACC.
Speaker 2: There's definitely a gulf, it seems between Texas, Oklahoma and
Speaker 2: the rest of the Big twelve. The top of the
Speaker 2: Big ten looks like it kind of should usc a
Speaker 2: disappointment in the Pac twelve, but whenever things do eventually
Speaker 2: and they will stabilize in LA. I expect USC to
Speaker 2: challenge for top five spots once again, but an interesting year. Nonetheless,
Speaker 2: on the recruiting trail, LSU with a I will only
Speaker 2: speak for myself. I was surprised that they were as
Speaker 2: successful as they were with the schedule that they had
Speaker 2: this past season, and for them to finish with a
Speaker 2: top five class and keep that momentum super impressive. And yeah,
Speaker 2: interesting to see, especially Alabama just holding on to that
Speaker 2: top spot even with losing the coaches they did.
Speaker 1: That's why I said to them, are they just shutting
Speaker 1: off at this point? And I don't mean to be flipping,
Speaker 1: I don't mean to dismiss another strong effort by Alabama.
Speaker 1: Clearly there is some strategy at play with the guys
Speaker 1: are going after. But at some point, and that point
Speaker 1: was long ago, the Alabama program hit critical mass under
Speaker 1: Nick Saban where it really legitimately started recruiting itself, and
Speaker 1: now it's an embarrassment of riches. Clemson's getting there, it
Speaker 1: looks like George's getting there as well, So we will
Speaker 1: certainly have to see how all of this plays out
Speaker 1: on the field. But again, recruiting is the lifeblood we
Speaker 1: did a great show on recruiting. I say great, I'm
Speaker 1: proud of the show we did a year ago. Go
Speaker 1: back and look at how recruiting works. Yeah, the show
Speaker 1: that we did, we reported out how the process goes
Speaker 1: down if you are a top level recruit, if you're
Speaker 1: a coach, if you're a media member. We can post
Speaker 1: a link to that show if you're interesting. Did in
Speaker 1: the description of this one.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: In the meantime, Dan, Sure, we are going to continue
Speaker 1: with our conference autopsy rulings. We've done two of them
Speaker 1: thus far. We've got a bunch more that we've got
Speaker 1: in the works here, so stay tuned for that. We'll
Speaker 1: continue doing Q and A, and we've got a bunch
Speaker 1: of big stuff in the works over the next couple
Speaker 1: weeks and months. So I'm very excited about what twenty
Speaker 1: nineteen has in store. As you know, if you've been
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Speaker 2: Okay, my final out right here is you used an
Speaker 2: analogy seasoning cast iron with something knowledge? Did you season
Speaker 2: your cast iron pan?
Speaker 3: I did?
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course. What did you use to season it?
Speaker 1: Lard shortening? Well, you can use a bunch of different stuff, right.
Speaker 1: I have been using mostly avocado oil. The trick I'm told,
Speaker 1: oh interesting, is to use an oil with a high
Speaker 1: smoke point, right, so you can heat it up and
Speaker 1: it won't smoke quite as easily. But I've kind of
Speaker 1: mixed in matchs. I've used a little bit of olive oil,
Speaker 1: which you're not supposed to, but you can. I've used
Speaker 1: some coconut oil. Coconut oil seems to work, so you're
Speaker 1: not supposed to, but you care. I know, you can
Speaker 1: do whatever you want. It's a free country.
Speaker 2: No, I'm saying, like, so when you originally got it there,
Speaker 2: you're supposed to season it by you wipe it down
Speaker 2: with something and then put it in the oven for
Speaker 2: like an hour.
Speaker 1: They claim. However, the instruction are there varying schools of thought.
Speaker 1: I would love to have a sponsorship from Lodge cast
Speaker 1: iron Pans, but we do not, so this is a
Speaker 1: free plug. They send it with instructions that say, you
Speaker 1: cook an egg on it when you get it, wash
Speaker 1: it obviously, rinse it off, but cook an egg on
Speaker 1: it first and then start from that point. So that's
Speaker 1: what I did, cooked an egg on it. It's gotten
Speaker 1: progressively less sticky, and I continue to season it every
Speaker 1: time I or after every time I use it. So today,
Speaker 1: for example, cook my breakfast on it, which make it
Speaker 1: just some eggs, you know, some scrambled eggs, some fried eggs.
Speaker 3: And.
Speaker 1: Put some avocado oil on it. Threw it in the
Speaker 1: oven to set it in with that. And yeah, so
Speaker 1: we're enjoying that cast iron lifetan.
Speaker 2: Great to hear any questions for me, This is your chance.
Speaker 2: I promised that the show is going to get bad
Speaker 2: once we start talking about me having a newborn, and
Speaker 2: so I'm going to follow through.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, I mean I want to know all about
Speaker 1: the conception, but I don't know if we have time
Speaker 1: to do it.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. So first, a lot of stretching with bands. Okay,
Speaker 2: cannot stress that enough? Really get the blood flowing?
Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you this then, So, because we
Speaker 1: are running well on time here and it's stars the
Speaker 1: end I have built up. I'm not kidding you, and
Speaker 1: I won't show this to you a Google doc a
Speaker 1: Google People will have fatherhood questions.
Speaker 2: We have to have a pregnancy, childbirth, childcare with the
Speaker 2: stupidest man alive me episode at some point, a non
Speaker 2: uh a non college football episode related to We will
Speaker 2: do that. I guess maybe kids and college football. We
Speaker 2: will do that as how they watch and attend.
Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, Yes, you have been catching me off guard
Speaker 1: for the better part of the last decade. Yep, this
Speaker 1: is my one opportunity to strike on you. Okay, I
Speaker 1: am preparing for this accordingly. Okay, you know how I
Speaker 1: get when I prepare for something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. You are thorough.
Speaker 1: Okay, we're working something out. I will keep this very
Speaker 1: easy though, because I'm sure there are folks out there
Speaker 1: who are nearing the end of their commute to work,
Speaker 1: or they're run on the treadmill, or I don't know
Speaker 1: where you are in the country, maybe even mowing the lawn.
Speaker 2: But this is this is hashtag relatable content.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Yeah, I need He said he's almost three weeks
Speaker 1: almost three.
Speaker 2: Weeks, So we're posting this one on Wednesday. Yeah, he'll
Speaker 2: be three weeks tomorrow.
Speaker 1: What is your three week fatherhood advice for anyone out there?
Speaker 1: We actually got a question similar to this in the
Speaker 1: inboxslivt gmail dot com.
Speaker 2: That's right, So I would say, because you're going to
Speaker 2: be down on sleep, because your schedule is going to
Speaker 2: be different, because you're a new parent, you're not going
Speaker 2: to know what you're doing. I definitely don't know what
Speaker 2: I'm doing. I would say something that has helped me
Speaker 2: immensely from a just a mindset point of view is
Speaker 2: they're crying because they're newborns, not crying because they hate you.
Speaker 2: They're not crying because they feel like they're dying or
Speaker 2: something like that. That's just what they do. So just
Speaker 2: like I speak sarcastically to my son. So like when
Speaker 2: I'm changing his diaper and he's wailing, like, okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: poor you, you're being weight. So I just I make
Speaker 2: it a conversation. I don't get I don't get upset,
Speaker 2: I don't get discouraged by wailing tears. It's just it's
Speaker 2: now a back and forth that we have what.
Speaker 1: Will be So yeah, go ahead ahead.
Speaker 2: I would also recommend it's going to be a one
Speaker 2: way conversation, obviously, but if you're if you're feeding him
Speaker 2: or her with a bottle, or you're just trying to
Speaker 2: sue them to sleep, or you're changing diapers, you're just
Speaker 2: hanging out with them on a chair or a couch
Speaker 2: or something like that. I'm just trying to give my
Speaker 2: son information for life. So I've gone through where to
Speaker 2: eat in LA, I've gone through just a very stern
Speaker 2: talking to about respecting women. I've gone through tips for
Speaker 2: navigating the New York subway system. And it's just obviously
Speaker 2: he has no idea what I'm saying, but there is
Speaker 2: something soothing about talking to him in a non baby
Speaker 2: voice that I think is like, oh, this is this
Speaker 2: is the gentleman who's going to try to keep me
Speaker 2: alive cool. I get the cadence of his voice, and
Speaker 2: it's just it makes you feel like a human being.
Speaker 3: Will you done?
Speaker 1: Will you go the same route as our friend Stephen
Speaker 1: Godfree from podcasting played nobody and play our podcast in
Speaker 1: hopes that it puts your child to sleep because it work?
Speaker 1: Wonders for him?
Speaker 3: Is that what he told?
Speaker 2: Like, did we really help with his child?
Speaker 1: I think that was the only reason that he downloaded us.
Speaker 2: That's fine. Again, We've said this before. We're not picky.
Speaker 2: If you throw us a download, we're grateful do with it.
Speaker 2: Once it's yours, you can do whatever you want with it.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I haven't really played music or podcast for
Speaker 2: him yet as a way to get him to sleep,
Speaker 2: but I'm open to it.
Speaker 3: So far.
Speaker 2: He's a good sla so far as long as he's
Speaker 2: rocked and danced with. We listened to a lot of
Speaker 2: Chuck Berry today and danced around and that's seemed to help.
Speaker 2: But I think the podcasting thing is going to be smart.
Speaker 2: I use baseball podcasts to fall to sleep, so I
Speaker 2: would be a hypocrite if I said that podcasts aren't
Speaker 2: a great way to soothe yourself to sleep, so it'll
Speaker 2: probably work for him as well.
Speaker 1: All right, well, we will check back in in a week.
Speaker 1: Thank you again to our friend Brandon Hoffman from ninety
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Speaker 1: more info on his great foundation. Daniel, I will talk
Speaker 1: to you in about seven days, Right, let's do it.
Speaker 1: I'm ready for that guy over there, Dan Rubinstein for myself,
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Speaker 1: enjoy your weekend. Until next time, stay solid, hece