WEBVTT - Forgiving Rollins w/ Dreama Walker 0:00:00.360 --> 0:00:04.160 Of the Law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.400 --> 0:00:06.960 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:07.040 --> 0:00:10.440 vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. These are our stories. 0:00:10.800 --> 0:00:31.000 Done done, Yay, that's messed up an sv podcast. 0:00:31.120 --> 0:00:35.240 I'm Lisa and I'm Kara, and every week we discuss 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:37.080 an episode of us for you. The true crime is 0:00:37.120 --> 0:00:39.760 based on And we talked to a celeb guest and 0:00:39.800 --> 0:00:41.680 we've got a good one for you today. 0:00:42.720 --> 0:00:44.720 But first, we're so excited. 0:00:45.320 --> 0:00:47.159 I mean, we told you guys this last week, but 0:00:47.360 --> 0:00:49.800 now like all of the links should be up, We're 0:00:49.840 --> 0:00:50.440 ready to go. 0:00:50.960 --> 0:00:52.960 Our tour is in full swing. 0:00:53.479 --> 0:00:56.000 That's messed up live anywhere but Hudson, if you know, 0:00:56.120 --> 0:00:57.720 you know, and I know all of you guys know, 0:00:58.320 --> 0:01:00.920 we are so excited, Like we're going back to cities 0:01:00.920 --> 0:01:03.840 that we love like Madison and New York and Boston, 0:01:04.520 --> 0:01:07.240 and then we're hitting up some new ones like Saint 0:01:07.280 --> 0:01:11.880 Louis and Salt Lake City and Berlin, Bronto and Burlington, 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:15.160 Vermont where my camp pals will all probably be there. 0:01:15.520 --> 0:01:18.640 So yeah, like, please come see us. Get tickets. 0:01:19.120 --> 0:01:22.600 Honestly, not to toot our own horns. But our promo 0:01:22.640 --> 0:01:24.480 materials look incredible. 0:01:25.600 --> 0:01:27.880 And our live show is so fun, Like we just 0:01:28.080 --> 0:01:30.480 finished our June dates and like we had so much 0:01:30.480 --> 0:01:32.920 fun in like Denver and Tempe and all these places 0:01:32.920 --> 0:01:35.039 that we went. So it's really fun. It's not just 0:01:35.160 --> 0:01:37.080 two of us sitting at a card table like doing 0:01:37.160 --> 0:01:40.400 our podcast. Like we give you visuals, we give you games. 0:01:40.440 --> 0:01:45.200 It's like a fun, live night out experience. So definitely 0:01:45.200 --> 0:01:48.760 come bring some friends. If we don't sell tickets in 0:01:48.800 --> 0:01:50.400 your city, we can never come back. 0:01:50.480 --> 0:01:54.480 And that's a threat and a promise. Thank you guys 0:01:54.480 --> 0:01:54.800 so much. 0:01:54.840 --> 0:01:57.440 Also, if we haven't talked about it on the podcast, 0:01:57.440 --> 0:01:57.720 I don't know. 0:01:57.720 --> 0:01:58.160 If we have. 0:01:58.800 --> 0:02:00.880 There is a new piece of merch in our merch 0:02:00.880 --> 0:02:04.160 store that I'm obsessed with. It's a super super soft 0:02:04.240 --> 0:02:07.440 like muscle tea that says, do you have children, detective. 0:02:07.560 --> 0:02:09.760 I'm obsessed with it. I got mine and it's so 0:02:09.919 --> 0:02:10.680 fucking soft. 0:02:10.760 --> 0:02:11.280 I love it. 0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:14.560 Somebody already sent me a message saying that the security 0:02:14.560 --> 0:02:16.079 guy at their work thought it was hilarious. 0:02:16.160 --> 0:02:17.520 I don't did he get it? Does he watch us 0:02:17.520 --> 0:02:18.240 for you? I don't know. 0:02:18.520 --> 0:02:23.680 It's a conversation starter. Get it, please, enjoy it. I 0:02:23.720 --> 0:02:26.160 love it so much, and that's like, that's it for 0:02:26.200 --> 0:02:26.720 the biz. 0:02:27.000 --> 0:02:30.800 And if you want to binge watch something, Survival of 0:02:30.840 --> 0:02:33.360 the Thickest comes out this week, so that's. 0:02:33.280 --> 0:02:34.400 Right, give it a watch. 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:39.360 So this episode is wide releasing on July eleventh in 0:02:39.440 --> 0:02:43.880 two days on Netflix. Our very own Lisa is starring 0:02:44.800 --> 0:02:48.920 in this amazing you are Like, she's in the prom 0:02:49.080 --> 0:02:52.600 in the preview there's like two big laugh moments and 0:02:52.639 --> 0:02:54.880 Lisa's in them. So I'm just gonna be bragging on 0:02:55.000 --> 0:02:58.680 here like a like a mom and I'm like so 0:02:58.720 --> 0:03:00.800 excited to see it. Michelle but is one of the 0:03:00.800 --> 0:03:03.120 funniest people. Lisa, obviously you all know, is one of 0:03:03.120 --> 0:03:05.639 the funnest people. We got to watch the show. I'm 0:03:05.760 --> 0:03:08.240 very exciting and so that it gets a second season. 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:12.200 Everybody flood Netflix on July thirteenth and watch Survival of 0:03:12.400 --> 0:03:13.000 the Thickest. 0:03:14.080 --> 0:03:17.760 And also our Boston venue, I do have it. We're 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:21.840 doing the wilbur which is the Austin Boston. Need you 0:03:21.960 --> 0:03:22.440 to show up. 0:03:22.480 --> 0:03:24.680 You guys were so awesome in Summerville and now they've 0:03:24.800 --> 0:03:26.919 booked They've moved us up to the big leagues and 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:30.560 we just can't have We just can't have a half 0:03:30.560 --> 0:03:32.799 empty house in Boston. It'll be so embarrassing it we'll 0:03:32.800 --> 0:03:33.720 be laughed out of town. 0:03:34.240 --> 0:03:37.840 So yeah, the wilbur is so intimidating in terms of 0:03:37.880 --> 0:03:38.360 the venue. 0:03:38.360 --> 0:03:41.800 It's so cool. So I'm really but a lot. 0:03:41.680 --> 0:03:43.920 Of people were already dming me being like the pre 0:03:44.040 --> 0:03:47.000 sale leake doesn't work because it was before it started. 0:03:47.520 --> 0:03:51.000 So luckily you guys are all enthusiastic and we know. 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:54.560 You're gonna have us so many moving pieces where it's 0:03:54.600 --> 0:03:57.240 like all of these venues. Then we have the agents, 0:03:57.360 --> 0:04:01.320 and then it's like we're working with photography, the r 0:04:01.760 --> 0:04:04.720 getting the day posting everything, and then it's like, I 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:06.640 don't know, the links might not work, get over the 0:04:07.760 --> 0:04:09.040 try again the next day. 0:04:09.320 --> 0:04:11.280 But by the time this episode comes out, all of 0:04:11.320 --> 0:04:13.560 our links better fucking be up at that's messed up 0:04:13.600 --> 0:04:16.080 live dot com, which is where all of our it's 0:04:16.120 --> 0:04:18.400 the link in our bio also, so it's like where 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:21.600 all of our ticket think links will be. And so yeah, 0:04:21.839 --> 0:04:23.880 I mean that's all for business. Lisa, what's going on 0:04:23.920 --> 0:04:24.599 with you? 0:04:24.600 --> 0:04:25.599 You flew into la. 0:04:25.560 --> 0:04:27.479 Last night and went straight to a comedy show because 0:04:27.520 --> 0:04:28.359 you are a workhorse. 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:32.120 Well, I was supposed to land earlier in the day, 0:04:32.400 --> 0:04:36.720 but I scheduled all these virtual things while I was 0:04:36.760 --> 0:04:40.440 supposed to be on a flight, so I had to stay. 0:04:40.160 --> 0:04:43.640 In Denver for longer. But I had a lovely day. 0:04:43.839 --> 0:04:48.200 I ate at Sam's Diner, you know which, Oh yeah, famous. 0:04:48.440 --> 0:04:51.600 I walked around and then yo kick you know the 0:04:51.960 --> 0:04:53.320 basketball player in Denver? 0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:55.960 Who everyone, I think that's how you say it. Whatever. 0:04:56.080 --> 0:04:59.040 So I walked into a store to be like, oh, 0:04:59.080 --> 0:05:01.520 maybe there's like a little I can buy for my 0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:03.920 friend Frecks or you know, no whatever, I'm like, oh, 0:05:03.960 --> 0:05:07.160 I'll just see instead. I left with a Dennis Rodman jersey. 0:05:07.360 --> 0:05:12.800 And I don't know how expensive jerseys are, but oh 0:05:12.920 --> 0:05:16.400 my god, not cheap. But it's like healing my inner child. 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:19.560 But I did see the Blackening. How was it? It 0:05:19.800 --> 0:05:21.880 was awesome. I can't stop thinking about it, and I 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:24.159 want to see it again, Like I have to go again. 0:05:24.760 --> 0:05:28.200 I really do this time because I really want to go. Yes, 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:30.760 let's go see the Blackening. I loved it. 0:05:31.080 --> 0:05:33.960 Also, I went to I went in Denver, and so 0:05:34.200 --> 0:05:36.080 don't I don't really go to the regals here. I 0:05:36.120 --> 0:05:40.960 do AMC's and surprise laydown seat. Nothing is better than that. 0:05:41.400 --> 0:05:43.640 You think you're gonna be in a normal I mean 0:05:43.800 --> 0:05:47.560 I did feel bad walking in because on this well, okay, 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:49.240 I did get high as hell before the movie. 0:05:49.240 --> 0:05:49.920 I was in Denver. 0:05:50.640 --> 0:05:54.080 So the employee on the screen it's like all the 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:56.719 seats and you're supposed to pick a seat, and I 0:05:56.760 --> 0:05:59.800 started touching the screen and he went, it's not touch screen, 0:06:00.160 --> 0:06:03.799 just tell me what seat you want. 0:06:04.320 --> 0:06:05.560 It was so embarrassed. 0:06:05.600 --> 0:06:08.680 I'm sure in Denver he's getting that a lot, Like 0:06:08.760 --> 0:06:11.120 I really am sure that you're not his first high 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:13.559 person trying to poke your way to a new seat. 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:16.640 But only one person was in the theater, and I 0:06:16.680 --> 0:06:18.320 was like, oh, he's gonna be so upset when I 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:21.320 walk in, you know, like to think, yeah, fully alone 0:06:21.480 --> 0:06:25.159 and then no, it's me. Did you have any little 0:06:25.160 --> 0:06:27.479 scream moments? Where are you in front of the man? 0:06:28.000 --> 0:06:30.040 I was stressed. I was stressed. 0:06:30.080 --> 0:06:33.359 I was holding my head, I was shifting in my seat. 0:06:33.640 --> 0:06:35.600 I was like I had to check it to like 0:06:36.120 --> 0:06:39.000 I was scared. But also one of the actresses that 0:06:39.040 --> 0:06:41.039 I loved, she was just on Watch What Happens Live 0:06:41.760 --> 0:06:44.279 and she was in Swarm. She's in one episode of 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:47.359 Swarm that I really liked. So this girl's having like 0:06:47.400 --> 0:06:49.839 a huge moment x x Mayo. 0:06:50.360 --> 0:06:50.880 Do you know her? 0:06:51.360 --> 0:06:53.920 No, Yeah, she's killing it And I just read a 0:06:53.960 --> 0:06:55.920 thing about her in Vanity Fair. But she's very fun 0:06:55.960 --> 0:06:57.760 I mean, everyone is so good. Dwayne Perkins is a 0:06:57.800 --> 0:07:00.760 fucking star. I can't believe he wrote that. It's so 0:07:00.920 --> 0:07:05.120 funny and good and like I and classic. 0:07:05.240 --> 0:07:05.680 That's the thing. 0:07:05.680 --> 0:07:08.400 It's like classic and follows a lot of horror rules 0:07:08.839 --> 0:07:12.840 while also being innovative and exciting and fun. Oh, I'm 0:07:12.960 --> 0:07:16.000 so excited to see it. Yeah, I have to go again. 0:07:16.080 --> 0:07:19.640 I have to. And it's star studded. Yeah, it's star studied. 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:25.000 It's Remained Fowler, Yvonne Orgy like it's really it's really good. 0:07:25.160 --> 0:07:28.600 It's just like, it's so impressive to think, you know, 0:07:28.760 --> 0:07:30.680 it's it was like a five year journey, but to 0:07:30.720 --> 0:07:34.880 think someone wrote it, produced it, starring in shit, it's 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:35.720 like incredible. 0:07:37.120 --> 0:07:39.160 I don't really know Dwayne very much. I met him 0:07:39.160 --> 0:07:41.320 on we did a show together once a long time ago. 0:07:41.400 --> 0:07:43.800 But he was so funny. So I'm excited. 0:07:44.200 --> 0:07:46.400 Yeah, I'm more. I mean, I've been writing him messages. 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:51.040 He hasn't responded to, but I'm sure he's busy. It's 0:07:51.080 --> 0:07:52.880 definitely a one bay obsession. 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:57.520 You and I also last weekend saw the same movie 0:07:58.200 --> 0:08:00.360 but not together, but all like on the same we 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:02.360 saw the new Jennifer Lawrence movie. 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:04.360 We saw No harm Farlings. 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:07.680 It has in those names like something's gotta Give where 0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:08.560 you can't remember it. 0:08:08.640 --> 0:08:10.960 I cannot remember the name of this movie ever. No, 0:08:11.080 --> 0:08:13.840 I just keep telling people I saw the Jennifer Lawrence movie. Yeah, 0:08:13.880 --> 0:08:16.440 she's a star. Like no, I have not remembered the 0:08:16.480 --> 0:08:19.960 title until this moment, Like it's really not a part 0:08:20.000 --> 0:08:23.320 of my brain. But again, funny, and all the previews 0:08:23.320 --> 0:08:25.840 for the summer look good. I mean obviously Barbie, but 0:08:25.960 --> 0:08:27.920 like joy Ride looks so good. 0:08:28.280 --> 0:08:29.600 Wait, what's joy Ride? 0:08:29.720 --> 0:08:35.199 It's in the movie with so Joyride is about like 0:08:35.320 --> 0:08:39.360 two little Asian girls meeting as children. One's adopted and 0:08:39.400 --> 0:08:42.200 one has like Asian parents and one has white parents, 0:08:42.240 --> 0:08:44.240 and they meet and they become best friends. Cut to 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:46.320 the future, they go back to like a trip to 0:08:46.360 --> 0:08:49.120 the home country for the summer, like they're eighteen or 0:08:49.160 --> 0:08:50.520 twenty two or something like that, and. 0:08:50.440 --> 0:08:52.000 It's like wild. 0:08:52.240 --> 0:08:55.000 It's like just a wild adventure and the preview, I 0:08:55.080 --> 0:08:58.600 was cackling. Ashley park is the star, Sherry Cola is 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:00.520 in it, a bunch of dudes. 0:09:00.720 --> 0:09:01.880 It's it's like a comedy. 0:09:02.360 --> 0:09:05.320 Oh okay, I don't know how else to describe it. 0:09:05.360 --> 0:09:05.920 I love that. 0:09:06.200 --> 0:09:08.480 And when you first said it, I think because the 0:09:08.520 --> 0:09:11.240 other movie joy Ride that has like lely Sobieski and 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:13.480 Steve's on and it is so scary that I was like, 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:14.760 is it a scary Like I thought it was a 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:17.080 scary movie, and then now you're saying it's a I 0:09:17.120 --> 0:09:18.720 was like, they go back to they go back to 0:09:18.760 --> 0:09:20.960 the homeland, and then what happens, Like I thought they 0:09:21.000 --> 0:09:21.680 were gonna get. 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:24.000 Murdered, but oh, it's like funny. 0:09:24.000 --> 0:09:26.440 It's like they end up the blonde girl from search 0:09:26.520 --> 0:09:28.280 parties there and they end up she's a drug. They 0:09:28.360 --> 0:09:30.920 end up like having to put like cocaine balloons in 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:32.080 their assholes. 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:32.280 You know. 0:09:32.320 --> 0:09:34.320 It's like, yeah, but they have to pretend to be 0:09:34.400 --> 0:09:39.079 K pop. Like it's like a cape follow four Asian 0:09:39.120 --> 0:09:41.480 American friends as they bond and discover the truth of 0:09:41.520 --> 0:09:43.280 what it means to know and love who you are 0:09:43.320 --> 0:09:45.959 while they travel through Asia in search of their birth mothers. 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:50.120 Love that but it just looks like it's the year 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:52.640 of movies and comedies. Because I also can't wait for 0:09:52.720 --> 0:09:55.480 Stray Stray's the Dog Movie. 0:09:55.600 --> 0:09:59.040 The Dog Movie. Yeah, I was laughing out loud in 0:09:59.080 --> 0:09:59.559 the preview. 0:09:59.600 --> 0:10:02.560 I just I feel like this summer has has come 0:10:02.600 --> 0:10:04.959 to play like this summerl. 0:10:04.559 --> 0:10:07.120 Yeah, Will Ferrell was meant to voice a dog like 0:10:07.200 --> 0:10:08.440 It's it's looks. 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:09.680 So cute that movie. I'm funny. 0:10:10.320 --> 0:10:14.400 Yeah, Now, Hard Feelings was great. It was funny. I 0:10:14.480 --> 0:10:17.800 laughed a bunch. I enjoyed myself. I wasn't stressed. 0:10:18.160 --> 0:10:21.000 I think it's good everybody go see comedies. You guys like, 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:23.360 if we don't see comedies, they're truly like going away. 0:10:23.440 --> 0:10:24.600 They barely make anymore. 0:10:24.640 --> 0:10:26.319 And now I feel like we're just blessed with this 0:10:26.679 --> 0:10:28.560 little pocket of comedies right now. 0:10:28.600 --> 0:10:30.839 But it's just and I'm gonna see all of them. 0:10:30.880 --> 0:10:33.640 I'm gonna sign up for stubs now because I've i 0:10:33.679 --> 0:10:35.960 haven't wanted to see this many movies in a while. 0:10:36.000 --> 0:10:39.320 But also I do have a statement, if you are 0:10:39.440 --> 0:10:44.640 at all care to see Oppenheimer before Barbie, you are 0:10:44.640 --> 0:10:48.040 the problem with America, and you are why Trump won 0:10:48.920 --> 0:10:52.640 and you are you? Yeah, you are not on the 0:10:52.640 --> 0:10:56.320 side of the revolution. There's like a whole like a 0:10:56.360 --> 0:10:58.280 bunch of memes and people are like, you got to 0:10:58.320 --> 0:11:01.200 see Oppenheimer first, and then you go see Barbie as 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:02.360 the Palette cleanser, and I'm. 0:11:02.200 --> 0:11:05.400 Like, what, even I don't have no desire to see it. 0:11:05.720 --> 0:11:07.839 I don't even care what it is to see Oppenheimer. 0:11:07.880 --> 0:11:11.400 Even though Killy and Murphy is very good looking but 0:11:12.520 --> 0:11:15.920 interesting he is. He's like, he's kind of like, you 0:11:15.920 --> 0:11:17.440 know what it is. I never thought he was like 0:11:17.480 --> 0:11:19.600 that great. And then I saw him in Peaky Blinders 0:11:19.640 --> 0:11:23.120 and he's kind of like this like strong, quiet boss 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:24.680 type and he's just like hot to me. 0:11:24.760 --> 0:11:27.719 Now, damn yeah, I just remember him on that. 0:11:27.760 --> 0:11:29.520 I think the movie was called Red Eye with Rachel 0:11:29.559 --> 0:11:32.199 McAdams where he like takes her hostage on a plane. 0:11:32.679 --> 0:11:35.560 Oh, I've never seen that. Oh my god. 0:11:35.840 --> 0:11:37.960 I saw a T shirt at a store in Denver 0:11:38.160 --> 0:11:40.559 and it was the Adida's logo, but it said Addicted 0:11:40.880 --> 0:11:45.360 instead of Adidas, And oh and the Adidas was a 0:11:45.400 --> 0:11:47.480 pot leaf. I'm missing a lot of information. 0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:50.959 You should have gotten that instead of the Rodman jersey. 0:11:52.040 --> 0:11:53.640 Well was it different already? Well, I walked in. 0:11:53.840 --> 0:11:53.920 No. 0:11:54.720 --> 0:11:57.640 I really it just felt like fate. I don't know, 0:11:57.679 --> 0:11:59.360 I've wanted the Rodman jersey. 0:11:59.440 --> 0:12:01.600 So m and is like was on the bulls when 0:12:01.600 --> 0:12:04.480 you were young, Yeah, and he was my favorite so 0:12:04.760 --> 0:12:08.319 and then McDonald's used to have him on the cups 0:12:08.559 --> 0:12:11.800 and when you poured the his hair color would change 0:12:11.800 --> 0:12:15.120 on the cups if there was like a liquid in it. 0:12:15.640 --> 0:12:17.800 I had all the best Rodmen March as a kid. 0:12:18.400 --> 0:12:20.079 I mean, that's part of the reason I hoard. And 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:21.720 I'm so scared to get rid of stuff and have 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:25.640 this like attachment to stuff because I do regret getting 0:12:25.720 --> 0:12:27.600 rid of some of my old Like I had old 0:12:27.640 --> 0:12:31.560 eighties Madonna t shirts like Blonde Ambition era. I had 0:12:32.280 --> 0:12:35.560 this amazing fucking Rodman T shirt that's a Chairman of 0:12:35.600 --> 0:12:38.440 the Boards and I, you know, but they're just gone. 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:40.800 They're just like at Goodwill somewhere. Yeah. 0:12:41.320 --> 0:12:43.720 I just hope they're not in a landfill. I guess 0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:46.679 that's really Oh my god, I'm like, I'm such a 0:12:46.720 --> 0:12:51.760 stoner dude. I watched a documentary yesterday on Netflix about 0:12:51.760 --> 0:12:55.160 a different type of little submarine in Denmark. 0:12:55.200 --> 0:12:56.640 Do you know about this this guy? 0:12:57.400 --> 0:12:59.679 Oh my god, I know we're going along, but this 0:12:59.840 --> 0:13:03.920 is insane. So this guy, this Denmark scientist, he's, you know, 0:13:04.520 --> 0:13:07.360 one of these loser types. He's like, I'm gonna go 0:13:07.400 --> 0:13:10.760 to space and build rockets and submarines. He fucking a 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:15.240 journalist went down under, yes, and he fucking killed killed 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:17.440 her and he's. 0:13:17.240 --> 0:13:19.320 Serving life in prison. So we're fine. 0:13:19.600 --> 0:13:23.520 But wait, what did the story say happen? Like why 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:25.240 did he do it? Because I know I read about 0:13:25.240 --> 0:13:27.080 this when it first happened and was like, oh my god, 0:13:27.800 --> 0:13:30.320 men are horrible, like women can't go anywhere, like they're 0:13:30.360 --> 0:13:33.160 just getting murdered. Like I remember the initial boom of 0:13:33.200 --> 0:13:36.000 this story. But then like what happened? Did he like 0:13:36.080 --> 0:13:38.280 try to have sex with her and she rejected him? 0:13:38.280 --> 0:13:40.520 Like what was like? What what made him kill her? 0:13:41.480 --> 0:13:41.800 Sorry? 0:13:41.880 --> 0:13:45.319 I I'm just looking. So it's called into the Deep Okay, 0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:48.960 a really bad name. It's not specific at all. It's 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:50.360 we're already going too late. 0:13:50.440 --> 0:13:50.800 I don't know. 0:13:50.840 --> 0:13:54.800 Cut somebody else out casey Jesus Christ. And if you're 0:13:54.840 --> 0:13:56.920 listening and you don't care about the submarine, fast forward. 0:13:56.960 --> 0:13:59.280 But this I can't believe I forgot to tell you this. 0:13:59.280 --> 0:14:04.840 I watched the last so he the submarine thing. He 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:07.800 was actually dating this curly haired girl who's talked about 0:14:07.800 --> 0:14:10.120 a lot, and she was supposed to go. And then 0:14:10.160 --> 0:14:13.760 this journalist, this cool journalist you know, has written for 0:14:13.760 --> 0:14:17.360 the New York Times and really cool magazines. She was 0:14:17.400 --> 0:14:20.360 actually moving to Beijing, and she had a going away 0:14:20.400 --> 0:14:22.800 party that day, but instead she was like, Oh, I'll 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:23.920 do anything for a story. 0:14:24.120 --> 0:14:24.560 Let's go. 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:28.560 So this journalist just met him, went down to the submarine. 0:14:30.480 --> 0:14:31.440 He came out alive. 0:14:32.080 --> 0:14:35.920 She was nowhere to be found, and he basically the 0:14:35.960 --> 0:14:38.200 first interview he said was she wasn't on board with me. 0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:40.440 I dropped her off. I dropped her off on shore. 0:14:40.720 --> 0:14:43.080 He kept lying, he's like a true and then it's 0:14:43.120 --> 0:14:45.560 one of those situations. It's like the We Work documentary 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:47.520 where everyone's like he's magnetic. 0:14:47.560 --> 0:14:48.880 It was hard not to follow him. 0:14:48.920 --> 0:14:51.560 He's charming, incredible, and then you're watching the footage and 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:54.800 you're like, this is a loser. This is a psychopath loser, 0:14:54.960 --> 0:14:56.600 there's no charm, he's long. 0:14:56.680 --> 0:14:57.560 Of course he's a liar. 0:14:57.920 --> 0:15:00.000 So then all of a sudden it was like, oh, 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:01.360 she hit her head and I had to give her 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:03.080 a burial at sea, and then was like, oh, I 0:15:03.120 --> 0:15:06.920 had to do this. And then obviously all the evidence 0:15:07.000 --> 0:15:10.640 was found. So her torso was found and there was 0:15:10.680 --> 0:15:14.040 thirty seven stabs in it and there was metal put 0:15:14.080 --> 0:15:16.920 around it. They also found the submarine and there was 0:15:17.000 --> 0:15:20.760 like he purposely there was puncture wounds that he purposely 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:25.440 he wanted everything to sink. Then unfortunately had found in 0:15:25.480 --> 0:15:29.000 a bag. Limbs were found, Then tools were found where 0:15:29.080 --> 0:15:32.520 he dismembered her. Oh my god. So then they searched 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:36.240 as shit, they find torture porn, beheading porn, like all 0:15:36.280 --> 0:15:37.600 this stuff, all. 0:15:37.400 --> 0:15:39.080 These notebooks he love. 0:15:39.440 --> 0:15:45.400 He like he watched torture, beheading and murder videos and 0:15:45.920 --> 0:15:50.240 he all these texts to his girlfriend became like shadier 0:15:50.280 --> 0:15:52.320 and shadier, and he like would joke about murdering her, 0:15:52.320 --> 0:15:53.600 but he would he was gonna do it to her. 0:15:54.000 --> 0:15:56.920 Just the journalists came through and just like and wanted 0:15:56.960 --> 0:15:58.680 to do a story, but he would have. 0:15:58.880 --> 0:16:00.360 And so the girlfriends keeps crying. 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:01.880 I mean, it was really annoying because all of his 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:05.280 friends kept crying about like fuck, it wasn't what about 0:16:05.280 --> 0:16:05.800 my friendship? 0:16:05.840 --> 0:16:07.360 Do I not know? And I'm like, can we focus 0:16:07.400 --> 0:16:10.160 on the victim? Yeah? Can we please focus. 0:16:09.920 --> 0:16:13.040 On how sad it is that this like young, amazing, 0:16:13.360 --> 0:16:16.080 cool girl who had no fear and wanted a report 0:16:16.160 --> 0:16:18.360 and like loved her job in life and had friends, 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:20.880 was fucking tortured in a submarine. 0:16:20.920 --> 0:16:23.600 Can you imagine? Can you fucking imagine? 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:26.440 Because you know there's nowhere to go and you're just 0:16:26.600 --> 0:16:30.600 down there. And also like, so this is kind of 0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:33.360 like the Queen of Versailles documentary where they come in 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:37.080 to document one thing and then the documentary shifts into 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:39.240 something else, because like the Queen of Versailles was just 0:16:39.320 --> 0:16:41.240 supposed to be, Oh, the biggest home in America is 0:16:41.240 --> 0:16:43.120 being built, and then it was oh, we're foreclosed on 0:16:43.160 --> 0:16:46.640 and losing our money. And then this was like, oh, 0:16:46.680 --> 0:16:48.840 we're just doing a doc on this guy and this 0:16:48.920 --> 0:16:52.400 submarine place, and then instead it was like the murder 0:16:52.440 --> 0:16:54.560 was happening, and so they had footage she was doing 0:16:54.560 --> 0:16:57.200 an interview where there was a saw on the wall, 0:16:57.920 --> 0:16:59.800 and then the next day when they were doing interviews, 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:02.400 all was gone. He had already put all the dismembering 0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:06.880 and torture tools in the submarine. And the court said, 0:17:07.160 --> 0:17:09.800 thanks to the documentary crew and how much evidence and 0:17:09.840 --> 0:17:12.359 how much their footage helped with the case. 0:17:12.760 --> 0:17:16.480 Wow, but he straight up like tighter in this. 0:17:16.640 --> 0:17:19.720 I mean, we won't know what happened, but he got 0:17:19.760 --> 0:17:23.040 off he wanted to dismember and behead somebody and torture them, 0:17:23.320 --> 0:17:24.800 and he did it in a submarine. 0:17:25.119 --> 0:17:27.480 And like everything I was reading about this girl too, 0:17:27.520 --> 0:17:30.040 like when it first happened was like I honestly did 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:31.879 not hear any of the details of this torture. Like 0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:34.000 I truly assumed it was like an in cell situation 0:17:34.040 --> 0:17:35.520 where he tried to like have sex with her and 0:17:35.560 --> 0:17:37.040 she rejected him or something. 0:17:37.040 --> 0:17:41.239 But like he sexually assaulted her. Yeah, But like it 0:17:41.280 --> 0:17:42.960 was all about how like she was. 0:17:43.000 --> 0:17:45.399 Like it was like it was all about like she 0:17:45.520 --> 0:17:47.960 was such a hustler, Like she didn't have a steady job, 0:17:48.080 --> 0:17:50.920 Like she had to go get these big stories because 0:17:50.960 --> 0:17:53.679 journalism is like dying and it's so hard to like 0:17:54.080 --> 0:17:56.320 get any kind of regular job, and so she was 0:17:56.359 --> 0:17:58.800 like working in all these publications like just trying to 0:17:58.840 --> 0:18:01.399 get the next big story, and so like of course 0:18:01.400 --> 0:18:04.240 she was like, oh great, and then she find it's 0:18:04.359 --> 0:18:07.719 like so fucking sad. That's horrible. Oh my gosh, it's horrible. 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:09.040 That was my nighttime viewing. 0:18:09.760 --> 0:18:13.840 But and but he's like so oh, and it's like 0:18:14.720 --> 0:18:18.560 he wasn't an engineer, Like he didn't actually build stuff. 0:18:18.560 --> 0:18:20.600 He had all these interns and people just that believed 0:18:20.600 --> 0:18:24.399 in the mission, and slowly the staff was realizing it. 0:18:24.440 --> 0:18:26.679 And then he's on camera just being like, this is 0:18:26.760 --> 0:18:29.280 my design, this is my project. Other people could say 0:18:29.320 --> 0:18:31.720 it's theirs, it's mine, and it's like he doesn't even 0:18:31.720 --> 0:18:34.240 know how to do engineering, and he's just like comes 0:18:34.240 --> 0:18:37.080 off as such a like bosses I've had throughout the 0:18:37.160 --> 0:18:39.560 years where they're barely president and know but they have 0:18:39.600 --> 0:18:43.240 to assert authority. So they'll come complain about like we're 0:18:43.240 --> 0:18:46.800 an hour behind schedule and it's like who cares, you know, 0:18:47.000 --> 0:18:50.040 or like just like I just I've worked with bosses 0:18:50.080 --> 0:18:51.800 like that that like will come in and just be 0:18:51.840 --> 0:18:54.359 like the lighting's not right, and it's like, yeah, there's 0:18:54.480 --> 0:18:58.040 we're busy with customers. Yeah, they just they have to 0:18:58.080 --> 0:19:00.440 make sure everyone knows they're the boss, even they don't 0:19:00.480 --> 0:19:03.320 do anything. But thank god he's in prison and it's 0:19:03.359 --> 0:19:05.040 the lies right away. Oh no, I dropped her off 0:19:05.080 --> 0:19:07.520 at shore. Oh no, she hit her head. How Actually, 0:19:07.600 --> 0:19:09.520 you're not gonna get caught. How do you think you're 0:19:09.560 --> 0:19:13.600 not gonna get caught? Like coming to you, it's like crazy. 0:19:13.920 --> 0:19:15.879 He wanted to build his own rocket and go to 0:19:15.960 --> 0:19:18.040 space and yeah, the first amateur in space. 0:19:18.119 --> 0:19:22.800 It's like arrogance all across the allusion drag delusion. Baby. 0:19:23.359 --> 0:19:25.880 But then the girlfriends obviously lost her mind. She kept 0:19:25.880 --> 0:19:28.520 crying because it was gonna be her if the story 0:19:28.520 --> 0:19:30.720 and the journalist didn't come up. He was. They had 0:19:30.800 --> 0:19:32.919 text messages being like, oh, I can't wait to go 0:19:32.960 --> 0:19:35.440 into the sub tomorrow, like it would have been her. 0:19:36.080 --> 0:19:36.920 Oh my god. 0:19:37.760 --> 0:19:40.280 And then at first it's like all of his employees 0:19:40.320 --> 0:19:42.000 and everyone, well he didn't pay them, but all these 0:19:42.040 --> 0:19:44.760 people that were like, oh, I hope. 0:19:44.560 --> 0:19:45.680 They find him. 0:19:45.800 --> 0:19:47.919 And then when they found him, and then it's like 0:19:48.680 --> 0:19:50.760 he would never, he would never. And then suddenly the 0:19:50.800 --> 0:19:53.200 evidence and they were like fuck. 0:19:53.400 --> 0:19:56.439 And he probably honestly just thought like, yeah, I'll just 0:19:58.119 --> 0:20:00.000 I'll just drop her to the bottom of the ocean, 0:20:00.160 --> 0:20:02.640 never find her, no body, no crime, Like there we go. 0:20:03.440 --> 0:20:04.760 That's exactly what it was. 0:20:04.800 --> 0:20:08.120 But it was like he put metal and chains on everything, 0:20:08.119 --> 0:20:12.880 like he wanted everything to sink. He purposely the submarine 0:20:13.400 --> 0:20:16.080 well on a good news. I think it's because we're 0:20:16.080 --> 0:20:18.240 all obsessed on my Explore pages a lot of stuff. 0:20:18.280 --> 0:20:21.439 So there was like a huge giant boat accident, eleven 0:20:21.520 --> 0:20:25.560 crew members all presumed dead, like an insane crash. So 0:20:25.600 --> 0:20:28.080 then a few people went to float to find the 0:20:28.119 --> 0:20:32.439 bodies of the survivors and not like of the bodies whatever, 0:20:32.920 --> 0:20:35.639 And so they're they're like swimming around the boat and 0:20:35.640 --> 0:20:38.920 then a hand grabs them. And there was an air 0:20:39.000 --> 0:20:44.480 pocket in the like the demolished boat on the bottom 0:20:44.520 --> 0:20:48.440 of the sea, but there was somehow an air pocket 0:20:48.600 --> 0:20:52.720 and a man floated in it for three days and 0:20:52.760 --> 0:20:55.679 he said, he said he like heard all of his 0:20:56.160 --> 0:20:59.239 friends and crewmates being eaten alive, like not alive, they 0:20:59.240 --> 0:21:02.679 were all drowned, but like he he heard people like 0:21:02.840 --> 0:21:06.159 the fish eating all of his friends. And he was 0:21:06.200 --> 0:21:09.520 hallucinating obviously, and there was like he would float and 0:21:09.520 --> 0:21:12.760 that's how he didn't get hypothermia. But the photo of 0:21:12.840 --> 0:21:15.600 him like he's been going through it will share it. 0:21:15.600 --> 0:21:19.280 It's like him being like Jesus butt, you caught a 0:21:19.280 --> 0:21:21.240 lot of shit in your Explore page this week. 0:21:21.359 --> 0:21:23.600 Damn all right, straight up? 0:21:23.640 --> 0:21:27.639 Can you take a hand grabbed like and then everyone's like, 0:21:28.000 --> 0:21:30.600 it's God, It's God, It's God, and it's like, no. 0:21:30.560 --> 0:21:31.600 Eleven people died. 0:21:31.680 --> 0:21:35.160 This is not fucking God, like you, yeah, like shut up, 0:21:35.840 --> 0:21:38.560 but this dude the will to survive. And thank god 0:21:38.600 --> 0:21:42.600 the crew came in that day and he's just halfway 0:21:42.600 --> 0:21:45.439 in water, but one little pocket of air in this 0:21:46.920 --> 0:21:49.480 Oh my god, I think I would have given up. 0:21:49.520 --> 0:21:51.240 I don't think you'd find me in an air pocket. 0:21:51.480 --> 0:21:53.720 I'd be like, goodnight, I'm hearing my friend getting eaten 0:21:53.720 --> 0:21:57.640 by a shark. I'm out of here, Like I can't but. 0:21:57.720 --> 0:22:00.920 Listen, Casey's already given us seventeen flags. We have to go. 0:22:01.760 --> 0:22:04.920 Let's get started. We've got a great guest, a great episode. 0:22:05.080 --> 0:22:12.119 Don't go anywhere, all right? We got a Rollins episode. 0:22:12.200 --> 0:22:16.800 We got a Rollins episode forgiving Rollins. Did you see 0:22:17.280 --> 0:22:18.560 I think we posted it. 0:22:18.600 --> 0:22:21.720 But like Arianna in her Lifetime movie, everyone's comparing her 0:22:21.760 --> 0:22:22.480 to Rollins. 0:22:22.760 --> 0:22:25.800 Yes, yes, they totally could play sisters. 0:22:25.840 --> 0:22:27.840 It's perfect, I know, but I hope they do some 0:22:27.920 --> 0:22:31.120 like fun social media things together or like I would 0:22:31.200 --> 0:22:35.320 love to see Arianna and Kelly Gettish do something fun 0:22:35.560 --> 0:22:36.879 some little twins at birth. 0:22:37.080 --> 0:22:39.520 But wouldn't it be funny if, like, while she's out 0:22:39.520 --> 0:22:41.119 on leave, but they kind of have her coming back 0:22:41.160 --> 0:22:44.280 to the show. Arianna just was playing her like until 0:22:44.280 --> 0:22:46.720 she goes back from her pregnancy. It's just like the 0:22:46.800 --> 0:22:49.800 role of Amanda Rollins we played in today's performance by 0:22:49.840 --> 0:22:50.680 Ariano Maddox. 0:22:51.040 --> 0:22:54.160 I do have to say, Kelly getdish in this episode. 0:22:54.160 --> 0:22:57.880 The acting is top notch. I would say, yeah, top 0:22:57.920 --> 0:23:01.600 notch acting here. So see this is forgiving Rollins. I 0:23:01.640 --> 0:23:03.760 think I've said it three times. Take a shot, okay, 0:23:03.800 --> 0:23:06.639 Season sixteen, episode ten. Oh, I just said something on 0:23:06.680 --> 0:23:09.399 Instagram where instead of you know, for weddings, it's like 0:23:09.440 --> 0:23:12.040 table assignments, it's you know, people want to be creative. 0:23:12.520 --> 0:23:14.439 It was one it was a wall of shots and 0:23:14.480 --> 0:23:16.280 it said take a shot and find your table. 0:23:16.840 --> 0:23:19.159 Ooh, that's cool, that's fun. 0:23:19.280 --> 0:23:21.680 The numbers are on the shot glass, which I think 0:23:21.760 --> 0:23:24.320 is cute. I think we know too many addicts, so 0:23:24.359 --> 0:23:25.960 I don't know if we could get away with it, but. 0:23:27.400 --> 0:23:28.320 It is a cute idea. 0:23:28.800 --> 0:23:32.840 So this air January seventh, twenty fifteen, and it's a 0:23:32.840 --> 0:23:35.200 big ass So we started a big ass conference Vibe 0:23:35.240 --> 0:23:37.520 and a man is talking about a Brave New World 0:23:37.720 --> 0:23:40.160 on a stage and it's a long table and there's 0:23:40.200 --> 0:23:41.800 a lot of people on it, and then it's a 0:23:41.840 --> 0:23:45.199 bunch of long tables watching with laptops and everyone's listening 0:23:45.240 --> 0:23:47.760 and typing, and if you look close you can see 0:23:47.800 --> 0:23:51.040 it says Winter Conference. And there's two men in black 0:23:51.359 --> 0:23:55.920 like security guards, like blocking the door. So what's happening? 0:23:56.359 --> 0:23:58.560 And the voice is hammering on and on, and I'm like, wait, 0:23:58.600 --> 0:24:04.320 this sounds familiar, and it's Harry Hamlin. It's the Harry Hamlin. Oh, 0:24:05.160 --> 0:24:08.480 full use of sauce king, the sauce king. So you'd 0:24:08.600 --> 0:24:10.160 rather have the bowlon ais not the pie? 0:24:10.240 --> 0:24:11.440 Right? Well? 0:24:11.480 --> 0:24:13.000 I don't eat meat, so I guess I'd have to 0:24:13.000 --> 0:24:14.680 do the pie unless he could make me some kind 0:24:14.680 --> 0:24:18.600 of other sau vegetarian sauce or like a impossible burger. 0:24:18.320 --> 0:24:20.840 Sauce or something. I don't know. I don't know if 0:24:21.080 --> 0:24:21.800 that might be bad. 0:24:22.359 --> 0:24:24.919 No, No, I don't think he would even you have 0:24:24.960 --> 0:24:25.800 to eat his pie. 0:24:26.200 --> 0:24:27.640 You gotta eat the pie, all right. 0:24:27.680 --> 0:24:31.679 So he's been full uniform And basically the point of 0:24:31.680 --> 0:24:35.879 his speech is that geographical jurisdiction isn't stopping criminals like 0:24:35.920 --> 0:24:38.480 they used to so cop steps to work together and 0:24:38.560 --> 0:24:42.520 share information, and then he brings up Pattern seventeen rapists 0:24:42.640 --> 0:24:46.119 and that's an episode we covered Pattern seventeen and for 0:24:46.200 --> 0:24:48.960 that episode we had Josh Pisce on the show. It 0:24:49.040 --> 0:24:51.879 was like a really good episode about like backlogs of rape. 0:24:51.800 --> 0:24:52.480 Kits and such. 0:24:52.960 --> 0:24:55.399 So we see Rollins, Finn and Tomorrow are in the crowd, 0:24:55.520 --> 0:24:57.600 and now we see Benson's actually at the on the 0:24:57.640 --> 0:25:02.639 table at this on the stage, like Harry Hamlin's talking 0:25:02.640 --> 0:25:05.879 about like and thank you to the NYPD who helped 0:25:05.920 --> 0:25:08.840 solve this case for us, and like, oh, you know, 0:25:09.080 --> 0:25:11.480 whatever does so much for across the nation, and he 0:25:11.520 --> 0:25:14.280 starts talking about Rollins, but then he takes full credit 0:25:14.320 --> 0:25:16.240 for all of her work. And now it was his 0:25:16.359 --> 0:25:19.240 idea to test the DNA, but he actually made it 0:25:19.280 --> 0:25:22.199 harder and was a menaced the whole fucking time. So 0:25:22.280 --> 0:25:25.159 she's visibly annoyed, but probably is used to his like 0:25:25.240 --> 0:25:28.359 scumlord behavior. And then we see Harry now at the 0:25:28.400 --> 0:25:31.000 mixer after the Rape Winter Conference, and he's drinking with 0:25:31.040 --> 0:25:33.199 a young blonde woman right near him, and then we 0:25:33.200 --> 0:25:35.600 hear the voices of our crew talking shit about him, 0:25:35.640 --> 0:25:38.119 like fuck his ass, we do the work, and the 0:25:38.200 --> 0:25:41.560 rape kits sit in your department for six years. And 0:25:41.600 --> 0:25:45.320 then they're taking a victory lap and Rollins quotes some 0:25:45.359 --> 0:25:47.760 AA meeting stuff about like, you know, do you can't 0:25:47.840 --> 0:25:50.840 control the things you can? You know, stay strong whatever. 0:25:51.000 --> 0:25:53.600 So Finn is like, I will not go to dinner 0:25:53.640 --> 0:25:56.640 with him, and he and the blonde approach as him 0:25:56.640 --> 0:25:59.720 in the blonde approach, and so he's being patronizing to 0:25:59.800 --> 0:26:03.159 Ron and they're all just quietly nodding at his idiotic musings, 0:26:03.200 --> 0:26:06.320 and then he intros the blonde finally, and it's Detective 0:26:06.400 --> 0:26:11.400 Reese Tamoor and he calls her darling, and it's her 0:26:11.440 --> 0:26:12.240 first conference. 0:26:12.280 --> 0:26:14.560 So Benson says, welcome to New York. 0:26:14.960 --> 0:26:18.000 And then Reese is just like me, and she goes, oh, 0:26:18.160 --> 0:26:20.679 just like the song, and so you know, I like 0:26:20.720 --> 0:26:25.000 that we're the same, and she is fangirling Benson. She's 0:26:25.080 --> 0:26:28.160 gushing she knows her old cases. But then the violins 0:26:28.200 --> 0:26:32.200 start playing, Rollins looks pissed. Harry keeps calling her darling 0:26:32.280 --> 0:26:36.119 as well, and then they finally walk away and Rollin says, yep, Atlanta, 0:26:36.359 --> 0:26:39.160 they're so polite, and Amaro walks over to the three 0:26:39.200 --> 0:26:41.760 amigos and he drops the ball to the Atlanta people 0:26:41.840 --> 0:26:43.719 want to go to dinner, and Finn goes, I'm out 0:26:43.760 --> 0:26:47.840 of here and he runs away. Benson goes home to 0:26:47.960 --> 0:26:50.200 Noah and Amaro's like, great, just you and me, and 0:26:50.320 --> 0:26:53.000 Rollin's goes, no, I'm not really good at hanging out 0:26:53.000 --> 0:26:55.680 with the good old boys, and Amara's like, well, Reese 0:26:55.800 --> 0:26:59.640 is coming. Rollin says, nah, I gotta go walk. Franny 0:27:00.119 --> 0:27:03.280 runs off, So they panned to the other Atlanta cop 0:27:03.600 --> 0:27:06.919 that was causing issues for Rollins in Pattern seventeen and 0:27:07.000 --> 0:27:09.520 he's a favorite. He's been in tons of episodes of SVU. 0:27:09.600 --> 0:27:13.399 He was an episode Raw. He plays the racist father 0:27:13.720 --> 0:27:16.680 with a plan and he is wearing an orange cream 0:27:16.840 --> 0:27:21.080 sickle colored shirt. So the music swells louder and Rollins 0:27:21.200 --> 0:27:23.760 is alone at a bar drinking whiskey and the bar 0:27:23.920 --> 0:27:26.520 is bustling like people. It really looks like a Friday 0:27:26.600 --> 0:27:31.080 night date bar, like everyone is packed like sardines. And 0:27:31.119 --> 0:27:33.359 she is just like alone, sitting in a world of 0:27:33.400 --> 0:27:36.359 her own, and she wants another one, and she is 0:27:36.440 --> 0:27:39.400 just like very shook and not happy. We're now at 0:27:39.480 --> 0:27:41.399 the office and in mar I was like, holy shit, 0:27:41.520 --> 0:27:44.440 those guys can put it away. He says he left 0:27:44.480 --> 0:27:47.560 and they kept drinking, and Finn laughs and goes, hah, Rollin, 0:27:47.680 --> 0:27:50.520 stuck you with them. And then Finn on his desk, 0:27:50.600 --> 0:27:53.800 my favorite. He has Bodega breakfast and an empty like 0:27:54.119 --> 0:27:57.520 iced coffee cup, which I'm obsessed with. And in the background, 0:27:57.560 --> 0:27:59.920 another cop is getting food delivered to the precinct. 0:28:00.080 --> 0:28:02.440 So it seems like everyone is hungover today at work. 0:28:02.920 --> 0:28:05.199 And Tomorrow gets closer to Finn and goes, what's up 0:28:05.200 --> 0:28:07.320 with those guys, what's the deal? And he goes just 0:28:07.359 --> 0:28:10.800 talks to Rollins, I I ton't I'm done. So Rollins 0:28:10.840 --> 0:28:13.280 walks in with her sunglasses still on, and she's looking 0:28:13.320 --> 0:28:16.359 for Benson and uh oh, Finn answers a call and 0:28:16.400 --> 0:28:19.080 then he says to all of them bad news. Hotel 0:28:19.160 --> 0:28:22.640 rape last night and the victim is Reese, the young 0:28:22.680 --> 0:28:26.639 detective from Atlanta. So yeah, so we cut to the 0:28:26.680 --> 0:28:30.160 hospital and the gorgeous doctor is telling Benson and Rollins 0:28:30.880 --> 0:28:32.960 and like a walk and talk she had a giant 0:28:33.040 --> 0:28:36.600 head wound and she like knocked out in the bathroom 0:28:36.640 --> 0:28:39.440 and we found her on the bathroom tile floor of 0:28:39.520 --> 0:28:42.680 the hotel and she was found by the maid and 0:28:42.800 --> 0:28:45.320 she disclosed her rape to the er nurse, so they 0:28:45.400 --> 0:28:49.080 ran a kit. There's no drugs, but booze levels were 0:28:49.320 --> 0:28:52.920 high one point too. But there's bite marks and bruising 0:28:52.960 --> 0:28:54.640 and it's not good. So they go in to talk 0:28:54.680 --> 0:28:57.320 to Reese, and Reese is being played by Dreamo Walker, 0:28:57.480 --> 0:29:01.400 perfect name, and she's the per actress from Don't Trust 0:29:01.440 --> 0:29:04.120 the Bee in Apartment twenty three, and so she's just. 0:29:04.040 --> 0:29:06.680 Like, oh, I must have drank too much. My bad. 0:29:07.080 --> 0:29:09.320 And she's like, you know, I went to get water 0:29:09.440 --> 0:29:11.760 and I fell. It's not a big deal. And Rollins 0:29:11.760 --> 0:29:13.760 pushes her, like what about the assault, and there's a 0:29:13.760 --> 0:29:14.400 long pause. 0:29:14.800 --> 0:29:17.320 She says, I don't know what you mean. Clearly this 0:29:17.440 --> 0:29:18.000 is a lie. 0:29:18.200 --> 0:29:21.040 Benson says, the nurse said that you disclosed, and she's 0:29:21.080 --> 0:29:23.760 like stuttering and denying it, and Rollin says Fenn needs 0:29:23.800 --> 0:29:26.680 her and runs off, and then Reese says she feels 0:29:26.680 --> 0:29:29.320 stupid even having come here, and Benson's like, girl, let's 0:29:29.320 --> 0:29:30.400 just start from the beginning. 0:29:30.440 --> 0:29:31.080 What happened. 0:29:31.480 --> 0:29:33.640 The music plays and she says, we had drinks, he 0:29:33.760 --> 0:29:36.640 escorted me to my door, used false pretense to enter. 0:29:37.280 --> 0:29:40.520 While we hear her talk we cut to Rollins walking 0:29:40.560 --> 0:29:43.320 fast and flustered in the halls of the hospital, and 0:29:43.440 --> 0:29:46.600 Drema continues that when she, you know, wanted to sleep, 0:29:46.640 --> 0:29:49.960 it became something else, and Rollin's is teary eyed and 0:29:50.000 --> 0:29:53.040 brushing her hair around, and then it cuts back to 0:29:53.120 --> 0:29:55.240 her talking, so it's like a cut back and forth 0:29:55.280 --> 0:29:58.000 scene and Dreama is like, I can't believe that I'm 0:29:58.040 --> 0:30:01.000 saying these words out loud, and and then she stops 0:30:01.000 --> 0:30:04.040 talking and Benson goes, this will not just go away, 0:30:04.160 --> 0:30:07.440 and she responds, yes, it will, and Benson reminds her 0:30:07.440 --> 0:30:09.400 that they're gonna pull the security footage and find out 0:30:09.440 --> 0:30:11.560 who did this, and she struggles and finally says it 0:30:11.640 --> 0:30:15.280 was my boss, deputy chief patent. So as you see, 0:30:15.320 --> 0:30:18.800 I won't press charges or testify. I cannot. Rollins is 0:30:18.800 --> 0:30:22.520 breathing deep in the hall, and then we go into credits. 0:30:23.280 --> 0:30:26.520 So we're back and it's Act one, and we open 0:30:26.640 --> 0:30:29.760 up on Daddy Dodds and Brows and all, and he 0:30:29.800 --> 0:30:31.920 has shaken up about the whole thing, and he really 0:30:31.960 --> 0:30:34.760 misses homicide. You know a lot of these cops they 0:30:34.840 --> 0:30:38.600 just want a dead victim. They cannot talk to an 0:30:38.640 --> 0:30:39.720 alive woman. 0:30:40.000 --> 0:30:44.640 They're so hysterical, the tears, the mescara, I needed just 0:30:44.680 --> 0:30:46.800 a dead body on the sidewalk, or. 0:30:46.800 --> 0:30:49.400 It's not enough tears and they're lying, you know. 0:30:51.360 --> 0:30:54.880 Benson gives him the scoop, Seaman bruises bite Mark's alcohol, 0:30:55.000 --> 0:30:57.520 you know, the big ones. Finn jumps in that they 0:30:57.560 --> 0:31:00.520 had adjoining rooms, so uh oh that makes it look 0:31:00.520 --> 0:31:03.280 even worse. Gallagher's like, fuck, did she invite him in? 0:31:03.280 --> 0:31:06.080 And Benson's like, no, she allowed him in, not invited. 0:31:06.120 --> 0:31:08.360 There is a big difference, and he's like, are you 0:31:08.400 --> 0:31:11.200 sure it wasn't just like a rough, drunk sex night. Again, 0:31:11.320 --> 0:31:15.880 why is it always a question like why is the 0:31:15.920 --> 0:31:17.800 base not always okay? 0:31:17.800 --> 0:31:19.040 What happened? Let's investigate? 0:31:19.920 --> 0:31:23.240 Yeah, why is it always trying to question the victim, 0:31:23.320 --> 0:31:28.320 who again gains nothing from this at all. Benson goes, 0:31:28.640 --> 0:31:31.719 or it was rape, you know, we're SVU and then 0:31:31.760 --> 0:31:33.000 it's like, wait, Rolin knows him. 0:31:33.040 --> 0:31:34.120 Let's find out what she thinks. 0:31:34.160 --> 0:31:36.239 So we cut tomorrow trying to bond with Rollin's as 0:31:36.280 --> 0:31:38.640 she ignores him and he's like, would your old boss 0:31:38.800 --> 0:31:42.160 do this? And is Blonde credible? She says she wasn't 0:31:42.200 --> 0:31:44.880 there for her disclosure, and then at that moment, Finn 0:31:45.040 --> 0:31:47.600 lets her know Dodds wants to see her, so she 0:31:47.640 --> 0:31:50.760 walks in there as Amaro pouts and like lingers in thought. 0:31:51.440 --> 0:31:54.600 Rollins explains that Patten is very smart and political and 0:31:54.720 --> 0:31:57.240 was her boss for six years and he's been married 0:31:57.280 --> 0:31:59.720 a very long time, and Finn is like, okay, well, 0:31:59.760 --> 0:32:01.400 why wasn't his wife at the convention? 0:32:01.520 --> 0:32:01.680 Then? 0:32:02.080 --> 0:32:04.680 And she's standing there like a kid at the principal's office, 0:32:04.800 --> 0:32:07.880 likes really small and meek and obviously holding something back, 0:32:08.280 --> 0:32:10.840 and she's saying she has not heard anything or is 0:32:10.880 --> 0:32:14.440 privy to his personal life at all, and they're like, okay, listen, 0:32:14.520 --> 0:32:16.440 tell us what we want to know. Is he capable 0:32:16.440 --> 0:32:18.960 of something like this? She's like, you never know what 0:32:19.000 --> 0:32:22.880 people are capable of, and that is a very true statement, 0:32:23.400 --> 0:32:28.320 and then bangs are looking amazing. Her bangs are perfect 0:32:28.320 --> 0:32:30.960 in this scene. So Finn and Rollins walk off as 0:32:30.960 --> 0:32:33.040 Benson and Dodd stay in the office, and she's like, 0:32:33.080 --> 0:32:35.360 I mean this is awkward for her and her loyalties, 0:32:35.400 --> 0:32:38.040 and he's like, well, we should be loyal to him too. 0:32:38.240 --> 0:32:41.080 He is a fellow officer, and it's like, so. 0:32:41.560 --> 0:32:45.720 Is she like I don't understand why we have to 0:32:45.760 --> 0:32:47.800 be careful with him and give him respect because he's 0:32:47.800 --> 0:32:50.920 a police officer, but that's not extended to the young 0:32:51.120 --> 0:32:51.960 woman officer. 0:32:52.280 --> 0:32:52.600 Like it. 0:32:53.600 --> 0:32:56.800 It just pisses me off. I know it's a scripted show, 0:32:56.840 --> 0:32:59.680 but I'm livid. And so he wants to hear from 0:32:59.760 --> 0:33:02.480 him and demands that, like, you know, he'd be the 0:33:02.480 --> 0:33:07.160 one to question him. So it's Hamlin versus Browse, suit 0:33:07.280 --> 0:33:10.960 on suit man to man, and He's like, damn the box, huh, 0:33:11.000 --> 0:33:13.560 and Gallagher's like, come on, you know optics man. So 0:33:13.640 --> 0:33:17.000 then the little dance begins. So Hamlin is very chill, 0:33:17.040 --> 0:33:19.280 he's confident and he's not proud of being a cheater. 0:33:19.880 --> 0:33:21.760 But you know that girl and him were involved. 0:33:21.800 --> 0:33:23.720 They had sex, and he admits it and he claims 0:33:23.720 --> 0:33:27.040 it was consensual, and he's just like we were just wasted. 0:33:27.280 --> 0:33:30.720 And then Eyebrows is like, well guess what, Bob, she 0:33:30.800 --> 0:33:33.760 said it wasn't consensual. And Hamlin's like, well, no, I 0:33:33.800 --> 0:33:36.200 get that. We're in an interrogation room. I'm not a 0:33:36.200 --> 0:33:39.720 fucking idiot. And Gallagher's like, listen, just give me the 0:33:39.760 --> 0:33:42.440 reason she would make this up about you, and Finn 0:33:42.440 --> 0:33:45.240 calls it the good old boy routine while spying, and 0:33:45.280 --> 0:33:48.240 Benson's like, yeah, he's really good at this, and Rollin goes, well, 0:33:48.400 --> 0:33:51.600 so is Patent, So okay. So if any of you 0:33:51.640 --> 0:33:58.520 are confused, Patten is Hamlin and Browse Gallagher is Dodds, so. 0:34:00.240 --> 0:34:00.959 Be intermixed. 0:34:01.000 --> 0:34:04.520 Throughout the episode, a lot of nicknames get used to it. 0:34:05.160 --> 0:34:08.440 So Hamlin says she's really smart and a great detective, 0:34:08.640 --> 0:34:11.760 but he's she's getting back at him for not leaving 0:34:11.800 --> 0:34:14.440 his wife for her, and this is payback. And then 0:34:14.480 --> 0:34:17.400 he suggests that he should talk to her, and Browse 0:34:17.480 --> 0:34:21.480 is like, nice, try Buster, that's obviously against protocol, and 0:34:21.520 --> 0:34:23.640 he asks if this is a setup, and then it 0:34:23.800 --> 0:34:26.799 clicks like and then he gets mad and then looks 0:34:26.800 --> 0:34:29.359 at the mirror and goes, I think Amanda Rollins put 0:34:29.400 --> 0:34:31.800 her and all of you up to this. And it's like, wait, what, 0:34:31.880 --> 0:34:34.560 we're weird? Did this even come from? You're telling on 0:34:34.640 --> 0:34:37.480 yourself here, and he says she has an axe to 0:34:37.560 --> 0:34:40.319 grind and she left Atlanta because she got around and 0:34:40.360 --> 0:34:43.719 she threw herself at him to save her sister. Rollin's 0:34:43.719 --> 0:34:46.920 is pissed but silent. Hamlin tries to leave and tells 0:34:47.000 --> 0:34:50.160 Dodds he better not leave the city and the press 0:34:50.200 --> 0:34:51.839 would get wind of it and then that would look 0:34:51.920 --> 0:34:54.520 really bad. And Hamlin goes, yeah, okay, and next time 0:34:54.520 --> 0:34:58.120 we talk, you'll be talking to my lawyer. Somorrow says, 0:34:58.160 --> 0:35:00.880 don't worry. Nobody would believe a word he says, and 0:35:00.960 --> 0:35:04.960 Rollins is like, well everybody does. Back home, So dramatic 0:35:05.040 --> 0:35:08.160 music plays and Rollins walks off. Finn tries to stop her, 0:35:08.200 --> 0:35:10.319 but she wants to be alone and like get out 0:35:10.360 --> 0:35:13.239 of the office. So we're back at the bar and 0:35:13.280 --> 0:35:16.000 she is drinking and Finn finds her and he's like, 0:35:16.000 --> 0:35:18.560 it took me forever to track you down in Long 0:35:18.560 --> 0:35:23.520 Island City, and I think that's perfect. She obviously lives 0:35:23.520 --> 0:35:27.719 in Long Island City. Like to me, that is where 0:35:27.719 --> 0:35:32.200 she lives. Yeah, if it's like it's not Brooklyn, it's 0:35:32.200 --> 0:35:35.279 a quick, you know, train ride on the seven or 0:35:35.719 --> 0:35:39.520 like right into the city and it's still high rises. 0:35:39.680 --> 0:35:42.239 She is by the water jogging, like I just never 0:35:42.320 --> 0:35:43.359 put it together. 0:35:43.200 --> 0:35:44.200 But I'm obsessed. 0:35:44.400 --> 0:35:46.920 I mean, sometimes I feel like she's running downtown Manhattan. 0:35:46.960 --> 0:35:48.960 Maybe she moved or like she just likes that. 0:35:49.200 --> 0:35:53.520 But yeah, because sometimes the views are of New Jersey. 0:35:53.640 --> 0:35:55.960 I feel like when she's running sometimes like she's on 0:35:56.000 --> 0:35:57.799 the West side, like Esplitade. 0:35:57.800 --> 0:35:59.040 But I could be wrong. 0:35:59.239 --> 0:36:03.919 Yeah, so maybe she runs after work or something. Yeah, 0:36:03.960 --> 0:36:06.319 I don't know, but I just was like she would 0:36:06.400 --> 0:36:09.000 fucking get a luxury building at this time. It wasn't 0:36:09.040 --> 0:36:12.040 that like popular, yet she probably got a deal. 0:36:12.360 --> 0:36:13.759 I don't know. I'm just like obsessed. 0:36:14.040 --> 0:36:16.239 But she clearly like doesn't want to talk about it, 0:36:16.280 --> 0:36:19.520 and Finn obviously wants her to talk. She says, she too, 0:36:19.560 --> 0:36:25.600 once was Patten's shiny blonde protege, smart and good, his type, 0:36:25.960 --> 0:36:28.359 and it wasn't like that at first, but then her 0:36:28.400 --> 0:36:30.720 sister got arrested and Patton calls her into the office 0:36:30.880 --> 0:36:33.239 and it was like super late and nobody was there, 0:36:33.680 --> 0:36:35.480 and he said that he could make it go away, 0:36:35.520 --> 0:36:37.960 and it was her sister, So she fucking did it. 0:36:38.280 --> 0:36:42.520 I mean, the amount of like problems that Kim Rollins 0:36:42.960 --> 0:36:45.040 has caused an Amanda's life. 0:36:46.800 --> 0:36:48.680 Don't stop. They do not stop. 0:36:48.719 --> 0:36:50.799 They go so far back, and she's just always had 0:36:50.840 --> 0:36:51.920 this little bitches back. 0:36:52.640 --> 0:36:55.120 So Reese is telling the truth. 0:36:55.160 --> 0:36:58.080 Finn asks, we gotta let Barba know but Rollins is 0:36:58.120 --> 0:37:00.200 really hesitant to do that, and Finn is like, he 0:37:00.280 --> 0:37:02.319 needs to know that he's capable of this and that 0:37:02.400 --> 0:37:05.359 he's a predator, and she's like, listen, I'm not going 0:37:05.400 --> 0:37:08.000 to say I was raped. Patton fights dirty and Finn 0:37:08.080 --> 0:37:10.439 is like, well, what about this girl, and Rollin says, well, 0:37:10.480 --> 0:37:13.880 she'll get over it, and it's like, okay, SVU, detective, 0:37:14.040 --> 0:37:16.400 and then she says the girl might be a slut 0:37:16.440 --> 0:37:18.400 and she can go back to Atlanta and pretend like 0:37:18.440 --> 0:37:21.480 nothing happened. And she looks at him and says, let 0:37:21.520 --> 0:37:23.799 it go. And Finn does not like this, and so 0:37:23.880 --> 0:37:26.480 now we quickly cut to a meeting Rollins. 0:37:26.040 --> 0:37:26.960 Did get roped into. 0:37:27.440 --> 0:37:30.920 So Rollin's daddy, Dodds, Barba, and Benson are in a meeting. 0:37:31.440 --> 0:37:34.000 She says that she put herself in a bad position 0:37:34.080 --> 0:37:36.160 and that Patton took advantage of her, but it's on her. 0:37:36.320 --> 0:37:38.319 She will not say that she was raped, but she 0:37:38.400 --> 0:37:42.359 does say she like, off the record, off my personal experience, 0:37:42.640 --> 0:37:44.720 I believe Taymoor is telling the truth. 0:37:45.360 --> 0:37:46.400 So Barbara breathes in. 0:37:46.880 --> 0:37:49.000 Dodds is like, oh no, what do we do, and 0:37:49.040 --> 0:37:53.160 Benson's like, easy, arrest him? But Barba says that Taymoor 0:37:53.200 --> 0:37:55.719 won't testify or come forward, So Rollins is like, I'll 0:37:55.760 --> 0:37:59.680 go fucking talk to her. So she goes to visit Tamore, 0:38:00.200 --> 0:38:03.600 and Taymor is packing and there's a souvenir statue of 0:38:03.640 --> 0:38:06.279 Liberty in her suitcase loose and I just love that, 0:38:06.560 --> 0:38:09.200 Like she always. 0:38:08.880 --> 0:38:10.520 Gonna want to remember this trip to New York. 0:38:10.680 --> 0:38:14.279 Yeah, and you know, she's packing in a rush. So 0:38:14.440 --> 0:38:17.359 Rollins walks in and she's like, oh, the Chief tell 0:38:17.400 --> 0:38:20.120 you to come here to zip me up. I'm zipping 0:38:20.200 --> 0:38:22.960 up and I'm going home, so shut up. And Rollins 0:38:23.040 --> 0:38:25.440 is like, no, I'm here to convince you of the opposite. 0:38:25.520 --> 0:38:28.080 And Dream is like, oh, sure, you just want justice 0:38:28.120 --> 0:38:30.400 for little old me so everyone back home can know 0:38:30.440 --> 0:38:34.360 what happened. She is pissed and she's like, oh, you 0:38:34.360 --> 0:38:36.279 want them to call me a slut just like you, 0:38:36.880 --> 0:38:40.400 And Rollins works her flirty, convincing Southern charm and Dream 0:38:40.520 --> 0:38:43.640 is like, ugh, I knew his reputation, like I try 0:38:43.640 --> 0:38:46.880 dodging all of his touches and advances and so then 0:38:46.960 --> 0:38:49.480 Rollins is surprised and it's like, oh, so you're not 0:38:49.560 --> 0:38:52.960 having an affair no capital n oh. And to me, 0:38:53.120 --> 0:38:56.480 this is so silly, because why would she believe the 0:38:56.560 --> 0:38:59.399 rumors about her if the rumors about Rollins were fake. 0:39:00.160 --> 0:39:03.200 I don't get I don't get that at all. Clicking Yeah, 0:39:03.239 --> 0:39:06.720 So she's disgusted that that's what he's saying, and Captain 0:39:06.760 --> 0:39:08.640 Reynolds just had his back. 0:39:08.840 --> 0:39:09.440 Huh. 0:39:09.719 --> 0:39:12.000 Rollins is like, yeah, he sucks. I turned him down, 0:39:12.120 --> 0:39:14.160 and she's like, you didn't think you were Chief Patten's 0:39:14.200 --> 0:39:17.760 first good girl, And then it all clicks and she's like, damn, 0:39:17.840 --> 0:39:20.120 so everything they said about you and why you left 0:39:20.200 --> 0:39:24.240 isn't true. And we get an impassioned like no from Rollins, 0:39:24.560 --> 0:39:26.759 and then we cut to the Atlanta men eating and 0:39:26.840 --> 0:39:30.319 drinking and probably a midtown like shipbox at like a 0:39:30.400 --> 0:39:33.239 tourist trap, like I just fucking see them walking into 0:39:33.320 --> 0:39:35.400 a restaurant off of forty second. 0:39:35.200 --> 0:39:36.319 Street like so bad. 0:39:37.280 --> 0:39:40.200 And so then Dodd's Finn and Tomorrow interrupts the dinner 0:39:40.800 --> 0:39:43.400 and they're like, you're under arrest for rape, bitch, and 0:39:43.480 --> 0:39:45.480 he gets up, he gives his gun to the captain, 0:39:45.600 --> 0:39:47.640 wipes his mouth with a napkin, throws it on the 0:39:47.640 --> 0:39:52.279 ground aggressively, and also he tells his friends, like, get 0:39:52.280 --> 0:39:54.720 me that big lawyer we met, Get me that lawyer. 0:39:55.280 --> 0:39:59.520 Rollins is walking Franny and you know, super cute. Everything's nice. 0:39:59.520 --> 0:40:03.600 She's in a little beanie ship. Sheeplined brown Sway jacket. 0:40:04.200 --> 0:40:07.879 Very I think Stabler would wear this coat. And then 0:40:07.920 --> 0:40:09.880 a car pulls up. Fuck, who's it gonna be? And 0:40:09.920 --> 0:40:12.480 it's Reynolds. It's the guy from Raw and like the Captain, 0:40:12.560 --> 0:40:16.399 the one under Harry Hamblin. And he tracked her using 0:40:16.440 --> 0:40:18.160 her cell phone. He's like, whatever, I'm a cop. Of 0:40:18.200 --> 0:40:21.520 course I fucking tracked you. Totally normal behavior. But he 0:40:21.560 --> 0:40:24.359 wants her to know that she's making a mistake. Then 0:40:24.400 --> 0:40:28.200 he calls her darling again. He's a true menace. And 0:40:28.480 --> 0:40:32.719 I don't I just like every Southern tradition I'm against fully, 0:40:33.120 --> 0:40:36.680 Like I hate ma'am, I hate darling. I hate everything 0:40:36.680 --> 0:40:41.360 about the South except the food, Like I really just 0:40:41.400 --> 0:40:45.279 hate it. And so he claims that this is just 0:40:45.360 --> 0:40:49.080 payback and it's like shirtloser, and he says, you slept 0:40:49.080 --> 0:40:51.000 with the chief and it backfired and this is what 0:40:51.080 --> 0:40:51.399 you get. 0:40:51.400 --> 0:40:53.640 Get over it. And she says Patton's a liar. 0:40:54.239 --> 0:40:57.120 But you know, obviously the boys stick together, and he 0:40:57.160 --> 0:41:01.160 blames all the blondes for being ambitious. So not only 0:41:01.160 --> 0:41:03.839 are the women's sluts, but they're ambitious, and no one 0:41:03.840 --> 0:41:06.880 loves an ambitious woman. He then keeps getting closer to 0:41:06.920 --> 0:41:09.160 her and is like, yeah, I know you didn't fuck me, 0:41:09.280 --> 0:41:10.799 so you can get to the big boss. I know 0:41:10.880 --> 0:41:13.200 exactly who you are, and you need to chill out. 0:41:13.520 --> 0:41:15.680 And he keeps walking closer to her, and so she 0:41:15.760 --> 0:41:17.960 needs him in his dick and he falls to the 0:41:17.960 --> 0:41:19.919 ground and he calls her a bitch, and she says, 0:41:20.000 --> 0:41:21.960 why don't you go tell your wife? I say, hello, 0:41:22.719 --> 0:41:26.200 that's another thing. They're all fucking married. Yeah, okay. So 0:41:26.280 --> 0:41:28.640 then we cut to another running scene. I mean, I 0:41:28.680 --> 0:41:29.960 guess when you have a pet, you got to just 0:41:30.040 --> 0:41:33.799 keep walking and running. So and she needs to run 0:41:33.800 --> 0:41:35.839 all the time to prep for all her Central Park 0:41:35.920 --> 0:41:39.440 undercover running work. She like has to be in the 0:41:39.440 --> 0:41:42.520 most shape of any of the other police officers. So 0:41:42.560 --> 0:41:45.600 she's running, but this time she's wearing an olive colored beanie, 0:41:45.640 --> 0:41:47.640 so she I can't you know, I wonder how big 0:41:47.680 --> 0:41:51.960 her extensive her beanie collection is. Barba now runs behind 0:41:52.000 --> 0:41:55.120 her like he really pops out of nowhere, and they're 0:41:55.280 --> 0:41:58.160 dressed like Julia Louis Dreyfus in was it David d 0:41:58.280 --> 0:42:01.920 company in Christmas Vacation? They're like that couple. Like they're 0:42:02.000 --> 0:42:06.640 dressed like that Hargo. So they're dressed like athletic like 0:42:07.120 --> 0:42:10.879 and have you seen there's like this famous maybe it's 0:42:10.920 --> 0:42:14.200 not famous, but it's like these two really thin greyhounds 0:42:14.200 --> 0:42:18.279 and they're wearing winterwear. No, I mean all greyhounds are 0:42:18.360 --> 0:42:21.600 very thin, but it's like these like beautifully dressed greyhounds. 0:42:21.640 --> 0:42:24.040 And the tweet was like the they look like every 0:42:24.120 --> 0:42:24.960 villain in a movie. 0:42:26.280 --> 0:42:28.240 Oh my god, that's cute. 0:42:28.360 --> 0:42:31.560 Oh wait, David d'akovny is not in Christmas Vacation. That's 0:42:31.560 --> 0:42:34.200 somebody else who has like slick back care. 0:42:34.040 --> 0:42:34.719 You're right, I was. 0:42:34.719 --> 0:42:37.719 Thinking of David d'acovney. And don't tell mom the babysitter's dead. 0:42:37.840 --> 0:42:38.680 Isn't that him? Oh? 0:42:38.680 --> 0:42:41.520 And maybe it was in Beethoven? He plays the David 0:42:41.560 --> 0:42:42.680 Ducopany is in Beethoven? 0:42:42.800 --> 0:42:42.960 Right? 0:42:43.120 --> 0:42:46.439 Is he the the air freshener guy or no. We'll 0:42:46.480 --> 0:42:48.839 post the photo of the dogs as a side by 0:42:48.840 --> 0:42:52.279 side with Barbara and Rollins running and you will see 0:42:52.280 --> 0:42:54.400 they look identical David d'acovney. 0:42:54.640 --> 0:42:56.920 David Dukovney is the guy I was thinking of from 0:42:56.960 --> 0:42:58.319 Don't Tell Mom the Babysitters Dead. 0:42:58.360 --> 0:43:01.960 By the way, he is a that too. Yeah. 0:43:02.000 --> 0:43:06.200 So basically the whole point of all of these asides 0:43:06.440 --> 0:43:09.200 is that they look athletic and they're running, and they 0:43:09.200 --> 0:43:12.000 look funny and evil. Okay, and we have to move on. 0:43:12.640 --> 0:43:16.000 But he's like, slow down, like he cannot keep up 0:43:16.040 --> 0:43:19.480 with rollins. And she's in a bad mood and he 0:43:19.560 --> 0:43:22.080 threatens a subpoena and she's like, I'm not fucking talking 0:43:22.160 --> 0:43:24.360 and he's like, no, if you're not my witness, and 0:43:24.400 --> 0:43:26.120 defense is gonna call you up and you're gonna be 0:43:26.160 --> 0:43:29.480 their witness, and they're accusing you of revenge. She's like, 0:43:29.600 --> 0:43:32.200 I'm move And to me, I was like, she moved, 0:43:32.560 --> 0:43:35.799 leave her alone, Like how are you still doing this? 0:43:35.920 --> 0:43:39.080 Like she fucking left, she left, she left town. She's quiet, 0:43:39.120 --> 0:43:42.240 she's not saying anything, like why would she be doing revenge? 0:43:42.280 --> 0:43:45.759 She got up and left. Leave her alone. You came 0:43:45.800 --> 0:43:48.440 to do a conference in her city. She solved your 0:43:48.480 --> 0:43:52.439 fucking crimes. Like, itses me off, So she runs off. 0:43:52.520 --> 0:43:54.640 She you know, she smokes Barba. 0:43:55.280 --> 0:43:58.640 So guess what. Guess who Hamblin hired. It's Buchanan. 0:43:58.880 --> 0:44:02.160 And they're eating at an empty restaurant and not empty 0:44:02.239 --> 0:44:04.320 in the way of like oh it's shitty, but empty, 0:44:04.360 --> 0:44:08.000 and like, oh, they came here early because that like 0:44:08.040 --> 0:44:11.239 we're so important, like that they got open earlier, like 0:44:11.320 --> 0:44:13.640 while the staff is, you know, opening up. 0:44:13.760 --> 0:44:15.160 Because I always think about. 0:44:14.920 --> 0:44:20.120 When Anne Hathaway got that steak from Miranda Priestley, you know, 0:44:20.360 --> 0:44:22.719 like it was before the restaurant opened, and I think, 0:44:23.160 --> 0:44:27.040 just important people, you can get a steak whenever you want, Okay. 0:44:27.080 --> 0:44:29.840 So Buchanan's trying to make a deal with Barbara and Dodds, 0:44:30.440 --> 0:44:34.000 and Dodds is there's a courtesy for the NYPD, and 0:44:34.200 --> 0:44:35.600 you know, he's like, we're not going to treat your 0:44:35.600 --> 0:44:39.400 Atlanta asses nicely, and Buchanan's like, shut up. This is 0:44:39.400 --> 0:44:41.600 why you have lawyers. Let us work, like, we don't 0:44:41.680 --> 0:44:43.520 need you to talk. And so they do some law 0:44:43.600 --> 0:44:47.839 mortal combat. They keep calling her, they keep calling her 0:44:47.840 --> 0:44:51.480 ambitious and tipsy, the two worst things the woman can be. 0:44:52.280 --> 0:44:57.440 And maybe that's merged. That's merch ambitious and tipsy. 0:44:57.520 --> 0:44:59.640 Baby mer I write it down. 0:45:00.000 --> 0:45:02.759 I'm putting it in my note, in my notes, in 0:45:02.800 --> 0:45:04.520 my notes article, what is it? 0:45:04.560 --> 0:45:04.840 Notes? 0:45:04.840 --> 0:45:07.320 App you guys, tell us if you would buy Ambitious 0:45:07.360 --> 0:45:09.480 and Tipsy, should it be koozies? 0:45:09.760 --> 0:45:12.640 Is it a koozie? Ah? 0:45:12.760 --> 0:45:15.320 So Buchanan makes it seem like Hamlin is the victim 0:45:15.360 --> 0:45:17.400 because his wife is mad at him, but Barba's like, 0:45:17.440 --> 0:45:19.960 I truly don't care about him or his wife. I'm 0:45:20.000 --> 0:45:22.640 not dismissing. And rape is a felony, so unless it's 0:45:22.680 --> 0:45:26.879 sexual abuse. Three, we're not talking. Hamlin threatens him like, okay, boy, 0:45:26.960 --> 0:45:29.279 we'll see when one of you city slickers is down 0:45:29.360 --> 0:45:33.200 in Atlanta and Hamlin calls Barba a Spanish dandy. 0:45:34.440 --> 0:45:35.960 I mean, we're getting the idea that this man is 0:45:36.000 --> 0:45:39.680 not only a rapist, but he is racist as well. 0:45:39.840 --> 0:45:42.360 Wow, so add that on there. Hey, what is a dandy? 0:45:42.440 --> 0:45:44.839 Though? I love that. That's like a cute name too. 0:45:44.920 --> 0:45:46.640 I hope it's not a slur in itself. 0:45:47.120 --> 0:45:50.279 A dandy is like, well, I feel like it's like a. 0:45:50.800 --> 0:45:54.480 It's like a guy who's very like neat and put 0:45:54.520 --> 0:45:56.440 together and has style. It's like, I feel like what 0:45:56.480 --> 0:45:58.880 we used to call a metrosexual. It used to be 0:45:58.920 --> 0:46:01.440 called a dandy. But now you can't say metrosexual. You 0:46:01.440 --> 0:46:04.000 shouldn't say metrosexual either, that's like bad. 0:46:04.040 --> 0:46:06.719 But it's like, you know. 0:46:08.600 --> 0:46:13.560 A guy that's like into his looks and like his style. 0:46:13.800 --> 0:46:14.520 Stylish man? 0:46:14.560 --> 0:46:19.239 Really yeah, someone that cleans their butt, that's that's the 0:46:19.280 --> 0:46:22.560 whole thing. So it gets this all gets serious after 0:46:22.560 --> 0:46:27.640 the Spanish Spanish of dandy comment obviously yeah, and he 0:46:27.719 --> 0:46:30.239 says recent rollins wanted to fuck him and that's that. 0:46:30.440 --> 0:46:33.680 And Barba is sickened by this man, and Dods is 0:46:33.719 --> 0:46:36.400 pissed he wasted his time, and Buchanan's like, okay, come on, 0:46:36.480 --> 0:46:38.759 how about a selt three? No registry, no time, Like 0:46:38.880 --> 0:46:45.160 what in your dreams? So fuck off? You know, things 0:46:45.160 --> 0:46:48.879 don't work out, and then Barba leaves, but before he leaves, 0:46:48.880 --> 0:46:52.719 he speaks Spanish right at Hamlin and we're in court 0:46:52.719 --> 0:46:55.160 with Barbara chatting up Benson who's on the stand and 0:46:55.200 --> 0:46:57.920 she's giving them just facts, and then they panned to 0:46:57.960 --> 0:47:01.120 the camera to Hamlin and holy shit, behind him is 0:47:01.160 --> 0:47:05.759 his wife, Queen Becky and Baker. She is also in 0:47:05.800 --> 0:47:08.360 the season four episode Mom. She's a mom in the 0:47:08.360 --> 0:47:10.840 episode Juvenile, which is one of the ones that haunts 0:47:10.920 --> 0:47:14.160 me forever where she makes the wrong call and doesn't 0:47:14.160 --> 0:47:16.080 agree to a deal, and so then her son is 0:47:16.120 --> 0:47:18.720 actually charged as an adult and gets life in prison, 0:47:19.200 --> 0:47:22.880 but the little boy, who is underage who actually stabbed 0:47:22.880 --> 0:47:25.399 and killed the woman is a miner and he gets 0:47:25.480 --> 0:47:29.560 less time, and she like screams in the courtroom and 0:47:29.640 --> 0:47:30.640 like they're. 0:47:30.440 --> 0:47:31.560 Like, please take the deal. 0:47:31.680 --> 0:47:33.920 I think it was Eleana Douglas is like please, and 0:47:33.960 --> 0:47:36.520 she's like no, no, they'll believe my son, and. 0:47:36.440 --> 0:47:38.360 It's like gripping. 0:47:38.520 --> 0:47:41.759 But she's also the mom of Lena Dunnaman Girls. Obviously, 0:47:41.800 --> 0:47:44.239 she's the mom from Freaks and Geeks. I fucking love her, 0:47:44.640 --> 0:47:47.480 and she's a Miranda's sister in the funeral episode of 0:47:47.520 --> 0:47:51.560 Sex and the City and she gives birth to an 0:47:51.600 --> 0:47:53.879 alien in the back of the car and men in Black. 0:47:53.800 --> 0:47:58.200 So wow, we stand in a career. We love her. 0:47:58.360 --> 0:48:02.040 I'm obsessed, and I guess we got to see if 0:48:02.040 --> 0:48:04.319 the other episode's based on a crime, and fucking get 0:48:04.440 --> 0:48:07.719 Becky and Baker here immediately because I do not want 0:48:07.760 --> 0:48:10.120 to live another day without knowing she's on our schedule. 0:48:10.680 --> 0:48:11.640 So now we're back. 0:48:11.920 --> 0:48:17.200 But shockingly, Buchanan has no questions for Benson chucked. Hamlin 0:48:17.239 --> 0:48:20.520 and Baker keep making eye contact, and she's standing by 0:48:20.560 --> 0:48:23.319 her man, and Rollin's is in the hallway with Finn, 0:48:23.360 --> 0:48:25.759 who's surprised she came. And Tomorrow's there too, and he 0:48:25.880 --> 0:48:28.720 fucking hates He's like, Hamlin keeps looking at his wife, 0:48:28.840 --> 0:48:31.719 this slicks and then Finn is like, straight up, it's like, 0:48:31.760 --> 0:48:35.640 I hate this smug prick. Rollin's is like, oh, Vivian's here, 0:48:36.440 --> 0:48:40.520 and she's right behind her, Hi, Amanda, And so they 0:48:40.600 --> 0:48:44.360 chat and she's being Southern nice, very polite, but I 0:48:44.360 --> 0:48:46.279 don't trust it. I don't trust her at all, and 0:48:46.360 --> 0:48:49.080 I'm like waiting for the shade to start. So she 0:48:49.120 --> 0:48:52.160 asks about her mom and sister, and Rollins gives like mean, 0:48:52.200 --> 0:48:55.239 fake sweet Southern vibes right back to her, like, oh, 0:48:55.360 --> 0:48:57.560 that was so sweet of you to ask with everything 0:48:57.640 --> 0:48:59.640 you got going on. And I feel like Rollin's like 0:48:59.719 --> 0:49:04.759 ups Southern accent to and like she yeah wants And 0:49:04.800 --> 0:49:10.799 then Vivian's like me, no, I'm blessed, and she goes 0:49:10.840 --> 0:49:13.359 everyone back home knows what a great man Charlie is 0:49:13.400 --> 0:49:15.960 and we have their full support. She goes, oh, well, 0:49:15.960 --> 0:49:18.480 there's my man now, and so she walks off, and 0:49:18.520 --> 0:49:20.960 I like love this exchange so much because it gives nothing, 0:49:21.040 --> 0:49:24.200 but it gives everything. You know, everything is like secret 0:49:24.200 --> 0:49:27.440 and undercover. So now dream is on the stand, and 0:49:27.520 --> 0:49:29.640 I'm not looking forward to what Buchanan is going to 0:49:29.680 --> 0:49:32.759 try to do. So she's getting some barber time. She's 0:49:32.800 --> 0:49:35.960 describing the professional relationship she has with Harry Hamlin and 0:49:35.960 --> 0:49:38.560 what happened that night in the adjoining rooms. So he 0:49:38.680 --> 0:49:41.160 told her that his cell phone demagnetized the key card. 0:49:41.600 --> 0:49:44.160 Now does that happen anymore? I feel like that's not 0:49:44.239 --> 0:49:45.160 an issue anymore. 0:49:45.800 --> 0:49:47.360 It hasn't happened to me in a long time. 0:49:47.440 --> 0:49:49.040 I always feel like I try to keep it away 0:49:49.040 --> 0:49:51.920 from my credit cards too, Like I don't know, I 0:49:52.000 --> 0:49:54.399 just don't think it's just a while, No, I think, 0:49:54.600 --> 0:49:56.920 but I don't know what technology has changed or not, 0:49:57.040 --> 0:50:00.160 But I just don't find it an issue anymore. Let 0:50:00.200 --> 0:50:02.320 us to know if you've recently had an issue getting 0:50:02.320 --> 0:50:05.200 into a hotel after a touch to something, because I 0:50:05.239 --> 0:50:09.600 think technology has advanced. So basically, he's like, fuck, my 0:50:09.680 --> 0:50:11.360 card's not working. I don't want to go down to 0:50:11.400 --> 0:50:14.680 the front desk. Can I just use your room and 0:50:14.719 --> 0:50:17.919 then use the adjoining doors, and my brain immediately because 0:50:17.920 --> 0:50:21.520 we sometimes have adjoining doors and he needs to be unlocked, 0:50:22.520 --> 0:50:25.759 like you can't just get it. That would be psychotic if. 0:50:25.680 --> 0:50:28.440 You could just go in between hotel room doors like 0:50:28.520 --> 0:50:31.440 it's only murders in the building, like a fun little caper, 0:50:31.560 --> 0:50:32.480 like it's ano. 0:50:32.280 --> 0:50:35.040 They're fully dead bolted from inside the room. 0:50:35.200 --> 0:50:39.000 Yeah, so that's where my little detective brain went, so 0:50:40.400 --> 0:50:42.800 you know, we'll keep going. So then he went inside 0:50:42.840 --> 0:50:45.080 and he suggested room service and she's like, oh, actually, 0:50:45.120 --> 0:50:48.600 food sounds nice, but he ordered champagne and she didn't 0:50:48.640 --> 0:50:50.920 want to be rude, so she had one glass and 0:50:50.920 --> 0:50:53.400 then he kissed her. She pulled away and she's like, ew, 0:50:53.600 --> 0:50:56.640 you're married, and he said, don't you know by now? 0:50:56.719 --> 0:50:59.440 I don't take no for an answer. Then he pushed 0:50:59.440 --> 0:51:03.040 her down on the bed, bit her lip. She said, no, 0:51:03.200 --> 0:51:07.320 don't do this. He slapped her and she was so stunned, 0:51:07.400 --> 0:51:09.759 and then he raped her and she said that He 0:51:09.800 --> 0:51:12.000 finished and told her to clean herself off for the 0:51:12.040 --> 0:51:17.480 conference tomorrow, and then went to his room sicko. And 0:51:17.520 --> 0:51:20.160 they cut to Benson, who smiles and nods her head 0:51:20.160 --> 0:51:26.719 in understanding disgust, like this motherfucker, and so she Taymoor continues, 0:51:26.800 --> 0:51:30.800 I coul keep wanting to call her Julie's anymore. It's Reese, Reese, Reese, 0:51:31.160 --> 0:51:35.239 not Witherspoon. And I want to call her Dreama. But 0:51:35.320 --> 0:51:37.360 this is like dramatic, I don't know. So she was 0:51:37.400 --> 0:51:41.440 embarrassed and ashamed, and she finished the champagne and passed 0:51:41.440 --> 0:51:43.600 out and then she fell in the bathroom and that's like, 0:51:43.760 --> 0:51:46.000 you know, the hospital and Benson and the nurse, and 0:51:46.040 --> 0:51:48.719 that's when you know, we we're caught up now. And 0:51:48.800 --> 0:51:50.719 she didn't want to cooperate because she was scared for 0:51:50.760 --> 0:51:53.239 her career and that it would be over and that 0:51:53.320 --> 0:51:56.240 nobody would believe her. But what he did is a crime, 0:51:56.400 --> 0:51:58.520 and she had to do something so it doesn't happen 0:51:58.600 --> 0:52:01.600 to someone else. She wouldn't want that on her conscience. 0:52:01.640 --> 0:52:05.120 And they immediately like cut to Rollins, and this is 0:52:05.200 --> 0:52:10.239 like Bravo style editing, like this is so shady, where 0:52:10.239 --> 0:52:12.440 it's like, yeah, I would never say that, and then 0:52:12.480 --> 0:52:14.279 you just cut to the bitch lying, so it's like 0:52:15.560 --> 0:52:17.960 you know, and Rolins is ashamed and she lowers her 0:52:18.000 --> 0:52:22.480 head and maybe you know it sucks. It really sucks 0:52:22.560 --> 0:52:24.520 that now she has that kind of guilt on her 0:52:24.560 --> 0:52:27.719 as well. So Barba's done, and now Buchanan has to 0:52:27.760 --> 0:52:30.920 go make us sick. So right away he is like, 0:52:31.080 --> 0:52:34.160 you're saying you and Paton were never romantic before, and 0:52:34.200 --> 0:52:36.640 she yells no, and he's obviously going to try to 0:52:36.640 --> 0:52:39.799 spin this. So he's like, well, you drink, and then 0:52:39.800 --> 0:52:41.160 you were at the same conference and you were on 0:52:41.200 --> 0:52:43.240 the same flight, so obviously you wanted to get raped. 0:52:43.320 --> 0:52:46.080 Obviously the evidence, I mean, you were on the same flight. 0:52:46.760 --> 0:52:49.680 So he then shames her for not yelling or fighting 0:52:50.200 --> 0:52:53.520 and that she doesn't have defensive wounds, and she understandably says, 0:52:53.560 --> 0:52:56.880 I froze, And now he shames her that, you know, 0:52:56.920 --> 0:52:59.000 why don't you call the cops faster? And it's like, 0:52:59.239 --> 0:53:01.600 why are you wanting people to call the cops? So 0:53:01.640 --> 0:53:05.319 they just not believe her sooner. It's not like that's 0:53:05.360 --> 0:53:08.920 the other thing with this timeline stuff, like you're not 0:53:09.200 --> 0:53:11.759 whether it's a day or seven days, it doesn't it 0:53:11.760 --> 0:53:14.319 doesn't seem like the believing because what if she was 0:53:14.320 --> 0:53:17.160 still drunk that morning, what if her breath allies? You know, 0:53:17.280 --> 0:53:19.680 like there's always a reason not to believe a woman. 0:53:20.360 --> 0:53:22.959 So then he's like, you're an SVU detective, how would 0:53:23.000 --> 0:53:26.600 you act towards an a drunk, lying slut like you? 0:53:27.200 --> 0:53:32.359 She's like, I would try to be understanding. So he's 0:53:32.400 --> 0:53:34.880 bending down into her and like trying to fuck with her, 0:53:34.920 --> 0:53:37.920 and all the detectives' faces are like, fuck, we're fucked. 0:53:37.960 --> 0:53:41.120 What's gonna happen? And so now Rollin's and Tamor have 0:53:41.120 --> 0:53:42.960 a little run in the bathroom. This is like a 0:53:43.000 --> 0:53:47.359 really intense day for Rollins. So many, so many run ins, 0:53:47.440 --> 0:53:50.279 and Reese's pissed AND's like, bitch, you convinced me to 0:53:50.320 --> 0:53:53.640 testify and you're not taking the stand. So Roninds knows 0:53:53.680 --> 0:53:56.680 she got got and she looks at her hypocrite face 0:53:56.680 --> 0:53:59.319 in the mirror with shame. And so now she's on 0:53:59.360 --> 0:54:02.200 the stand and she explains the situation, what went down 0:54:02.239 --> 0:54:04.359 with her sister and that led to prep you know, 0:54:04.480 --> 0:54:06.160 Pattent's creepy, creepy behavior. 0:54:06.640 --> 0:54:09.320 And then we pull away and it's not court. 0:54:09.400 --> 0:54:11.120 She's not on the sand, she's on the stand, but 0:54:11.200 --> 0:54:14.520 it's an empty courtroom. She's practicing with Barba, and she's annoyed. 0:54:14.560 --> 0:54:17.839 She even has to practice because she knows the judge 0:54:17.880 --> 0:54:20.799 isn't even gonna allow this. But she fidgets and she 0:54:20.840 --> 0:54:22.880 starts talking again, and Barba's like, listen, we have to 0:54:22.920 --> 0:54:25.880 do it just in case. So then he's listening to 0:54:25.960 --> 0:54:29.040 her talk, and he's getting upset listening as well. And 0:54:29.120 --> 0:54:32.560 so she mentions the biting the drunk motel night, and 0:54:32.600 --> 0:54:36.080 then he binged like her head against the headboard and 0:54:36.120 --> 0:54:38.080 she was bleeding, and she tried to get up, and 0:54:38.120 --> 0:54:40.239 he said, Amanda, you know I don't take no for 0:54:40.280 --> 0:54:43.960 an answer, and Barbara asked her gently to like keep talking, 0:54:44.360 --> 0:54:47.080 and she says that he pinned her wrists above her 0:54:47.120 --> 0:54:49.279 head and told her she wasn't going anywhere and that 0:54:49.400 --> 0:54:52.120 nobody would believe her anyways, so she just gave up 0:54:52.600 --> 0:54:55.120 and she's looking down and she then says that he 0:54:55.280 --> 0:54:57.960 raped me. And she says this all with her eyes closed, 0:54:58.280 --> 0:55:00.560 and then she looks up to Barbara sh Uggs and 0:55:00.600 --> 0:55:04.600 as tears well up in her eyes. Buchanan and Hamlin 0:55:04.840 --> 0:55:07.200 are like, that little bitch. I can't believe she's trying 0:55:07.200 --> 0:55:09.120 to do this. And the judge and the lawyers strut 0:55:09.160 --> 0:55:11.719 on over to the bench and Buchanan objects to the 0:55:11.719 --> 0:55:14.799 witness obviously, and Barbara's like, okay, but like, we can 0:55:14.880 --> 0:55:18.120 let her speak to pattern, but the judge unfortunately says no, 0:55:18.640 --> 0:55:23.040 that Rollins cannot testify. So the prosecution rests, and unfortunately 0:55:23.040 --> 0:55:26.560 they have no more witnesses, and once we return for Mauricas, 0:55:26.640 --> 0:55:30.200 the defense witnesses can begin. Rollins is in the hallway 0:55:30.239 --> 0:55:32.160 and she's pissed, and Barbara's like, we knew it was 0:55:32.200 --> 0:55:34.680 going to be a long shot. Come on, and She's 0:55:34.719 --> 0:55:37.200 like that was so fucking traumatic. And Benson's like, okay, 0:55:37.239 --> 0:55:39.680 so what next. And Barbara's like, listen, I'll get his ass. 0:55:39.800 --> 0:55:42.120 Do not worry. It's a he said, she said, and 0:55:42.160 --> 0:55:45.520 I'll make him fucking say something. Rollins looks nervous, but 0:55:46.000 --> 0:55:49.440 there's nothing else she can do. So he's on the stand, 0:55:49.480 --> 0:55:53.760 Harry Hamlin, and he says that the only true victim 0:55:53.800 --> 0:55:56.799 in all this is his wife, and they cut to 0:55:56.840 --> 0:55:59.600 her poofy s eighties hairdoo and she has a yellow 0:55:59.600 --> 0:56:02.040 blazer with a white flower pin. I mean, she is 0:56:02.120 --> 0:56:05.560 so Georgia and he was just flattered. He said that 0:56:05.600 --> 0:56:07.440 a young girl even wanted to fuck him, and so 0:56:07.520 --> 0:56:10.200 he's very sorry to the police, and his wife is 0:56:10.239 --> 0:56:13.080 so good and she's incredible, and I feel so bad, 0:56:13.200 --> 0:56:16.239 but as God is my witness, it was consensual and 0:56:16.280 --> 0:56:19.439 that he would never harm a woman. So Buchanan, let's 0:56:19.560 --> 0:56:22.000 you know, lets him off easy with all this fucking lies. 0:56:22.560 --> 0:56:25.120 Barba's turn, so it's like, get him, you know what's 0:56:25.200 --> 0:56:27.719 gonna happen. So he's like, okay, so you were a 0:56:27.760 --> 0:56:29.920 mentor and then there was an affair and he says, 0:56:30.040 --> 0:56:32.279 I'm not proud of that, and Barbara goes okay. So 0:56:32.400 --> 0:56:35.080 everything was going fine, right, so why would she come 0:56:35.080 --> 0:56:38.120 to New York to cry rape? And he's like, well, 0:56:38.120 --> 0:56:40.840 there's a reason she's angry that I'm not going to 0:56:40.920 --> 0:56:44.160 leave my wife, and Barbara goes okay, fine, hmm, well 0:56:44.160 --> 0:56:46.280 you said you never heard a woman. Does that include 0:56:46.360 --> 0:56:52.240 other blonde subordinates? Objection sustained. Oh. He then is happy 0:56:52.280 --> 0:56:54.320 to name her and says, oh, you mean Rollin's or 0:56:54.360 --> 0:56:55.600 even that other girl. 0:56:56.120 --> 0:56:56.920 I didn't do. 0:56:56.960 --> 0:56:59.960 It to them, and Buchanan's like, oh shit, you idiot 0:57:00.080 --> 0:57:02.800 it because it's like you just named all these people, 0:57:03.120 --> 0:57:05.239 like I mean, Barbara is so good, so it's like 0:57:05.280 --> 0:57:08.320 you're fucking telling on yourself. He didn't he didn't say anything, 0:57:08.960 --> 0:57:12.120 so and then he continues to tell on himself and 0:57:12.120 --> 0:57:13.960 he goes, any of them, none of that, Like he 0:57:14.040 --> 0:57:16.440 keeps just being like, millions of women are lying. 0:57:17.200 --> 0:57:18.320 It's just really silly. 0:57:18.840 --> 0:57:20.840 But he goes, that's just what they say when they 0:57:20.840 --> 0:57:23.320 don't get what they want. And Buchanan, you can see, 0:57:23.440 --> 0:57:27.160 is like fuck fuck fuck, like I am fucked. 0:57:27.400 --> 0:57:28.280 And the judge. 0:57:28.000 --> 0:57:31.400 Suddenly strikes you know, this chunk from the record though, 0:57:31.720 --> 0:57:35.360 and I guess that question was not okay. So he's like, okay, fine, 0:57:35.840 --> 0:57:38.360 let's chat conference. Why didn't you bring your wife to 0:57:38.440 --> 0:57:41.440 New York? And he's like, New York in January yuck. 0:57:41.880 --> 0:57:44.160 But also, I have not seen the level of outerwear 0:57:44.240 --> 0:57:46.440 that you need when it's January and New York. 0:57:47.160 --> 0:57:49.320 They especially if you're Rolins and that's your thing. 0:57:49.600 --> 0:57:53.000 Yeah, I just felt like their coats were very November like, 0:57:53.240 --> 0:57:57.560 not January. But you know, he goes listen and it's 0:57:57.600 --> 0:58:01.800 all business anyways, and Barbara pushes, oh business really at 0:58:01.840 --> 0:58:06.320 one am drunk with a clearly drunk like Taymar He's like, 0:58:06.400 --> 0:58:09.560 I mean we were networking, and so he's like, but 0:58:09.640 --> 0:58:12.080 your key card didn't work and he starts to feel 0:58:12.080 --> 0:58:14.240 pain in his arm, and so maybe he's gonna fake 0:58:14.240 --> 0:58:16.320 a stroke. We don't really know, but he's like, you know, 0:58:16.400 --> 0:58:18.600 rubbing his arm and we're about to have an Elwood's moment. 0:58:19.200 --> 0:58:21.680 So Barb I love this. I mean I like pump 0:58:21.720 --> 0:58:24.760 my fist in the air after this moment. So Barbara's like, well, 0:58:24.760 --> 0:58:27.439 if you're having an affair, then why the key card? 0:58:27.520 --> 0:58:30.520 Ruse, Why if. 0:58:30.440 --> 0:58:32.439 You're having an affair and she's into it, why aren't 0:58:32.440 --> 0:58:34.080 you making it out in the hall? Like why would 0:58:34.160 --> 0:58:36.400 you have to lie about the key card? It's just 0:58:36.400 --> 0:58:41.080 such a good point. It's like uugh. So he's like, 0:58:41.120 --> 0:58:43.320 the point of adjoining rooms is you enter separate and 0:58:43.360 --> 0:58:46.480 meet in the middle like hello, And Hamlin is just 0:58:46.520 --> 0:58:49.640 like stuttering and stammering, and the camera is shaking and 0:58:49.680 --> 0:58:52.800 he's like uh uh uh, and he's rubbing his arm 0:58:52.840 --> 0:58:55.440 harder and now he starts coughing, and Barbara's just like 0:58:55.560 --> 0:58:58.600 slammed dunk baby, and he goes and how did you 0:58:58.680 --> 0:59:01.440 know your side of the adjoining room was gonna be open? 0:59:02.400 --> 0:59:07.040 So that's something I thought of also Detective Trigger's question. 0:59:07.480 --> 0:59:09.320 So this is amazing. Yeah, if you're having an affair. 0:59:09.320 --> 0:59:11.080 The whole point of joining rooms is you enter in 0:59:11.120 --> 0:59:13.360 your own rooms secretly, so no one can tell that 0:59:13.360 --> 0:59:16.560 you're having an affair. So it's like he's just an idiot. 0:59:16.600 --> 0:59:19.000 He fucking planned a raper, he planned all of this. 0:59:19.200 --> 0:59:21.600 Barbara is getting him and I am just like what 0:59:21.880 --> 0:59:25.560 is hell? I'm like obsessed. So then Hamlin then goes, 0:59:25.600 --> 0:59:29.200 you son of a bitch, as he's like like coughing. 0:59:29.200 --> 0:59:32.920 The subtitle said hacking, so he is hacking, not just 0:59:32.960 --> 0:59:34.760 a chill you know, cough. So it's like a full 0:59:34.800 --> 0:59:38.040 heart attack by bitch. Rollins looks annoyed, and we're in 0:59:38.080 --> 0:59:41.160 Benson's office with a knock knock from Amanda. He did 0:59:41.200 --> 0:59:43.840 not have a heart attack. Benson fills Rollins in that 0:59:43.880 --> 0:59:46.880 it was an anxiety attack. So fuck, what's gonna happen 0:59:46.920 --> 0:59:49.360 to the trial? Nobody knows, but of course Benson wants 0:59:49.400 --> 0:59:51.840 to talk, have a heart to heart. So Benson is 0:59:51.880 --> 0:59:55.120 begging Rollins to deal with all this, and she explains like, 0:59:55.240 --> 0:59:57.840 you're gonna stay trapped and stuck, and this is like 0:59:57.880 --> 1:00:01.240 an opportunity to free yourself. Collins responds, You're only as 1:00:01.280 --> 1:00:03.560 sick as your secrets, and the secret is out, so 1:00:04.160 --> 1:00:07.080 I'll be fine. Benson just wants her to have compassion 1:00:07.160 --> 1:00:10.240 for her younger self, and Rollins begins like her eyes 1:00:10.280 --> 1:00:12.800 begin to water and she's having a hard time not 1:00:12.840 --> 1:00:16.000 blaming herself, and Benson is frustrated. And then a call 1:00:16.080 --> 1:00:19.080 back to an insult Rollin's flung in her in another 1:00:19.160 --> 1:00:21.880 episode and she's like, I know you think therapy is 1:00:21.880 --> 1:00:25.760 paying for someone to hear you talk, and it is. 1:00:26.120 --> 1:00:28.760 That's actually one hundred percent the definition. I don't even 1:00:28.800 --> 1:00:30.560 know how that's an I mean, it was insulting the 1:00:30.560 --> 1:00:33.040 way Rollins said it to her, but it is the truth. 1:00:33.880 --> 1:00:36.800 But Rollin's is sorry and she's like, oh, sorry about that, 1:00:37.760 --> 1:00:39.560 and she's like, we'll make it up to me and 1:00:39.560 --> 1:00:41.960 see my therapist. And she's like, I'm not seeing your therapists, 1:00:41.960 --> 1:00:44.360 which I agree with, but Benson already knows that. And 1:00:44.400 --> 1:00:46.680 she's like, no, it's for a referral. He has space today, 1:00:46.840 --> 1:00:49.240 not a good sign your therapist should be booked. But 1:00:49.880 --> 1:00:52.720 she takes the card and walks off. Benson is flipping 1:00:52.720 --> 1:00:55.440 through a magazine and on a couch, gripping a pillow, 1:00:55.480 --> 1:00:57.320 and she's at an MD's office. We see like the 1:00:57.400 --> 1:01:00.240 nameplate on the door, so so exciting. She I only 1:01:00.240 --> 1:01:02.600 went to the appointment. She's gonna see this therapist, get 1:01:02.600 --> 1:01:05.160 a referral. Nope, she runs off. Haha, did I get you? 1:01:05.800 --> 1:01:09.800 So while she's running off, construction workers heckle her as 1:01:09.800 --> 1:01:13.200 she cries walking and they're. 1:01:12.960 --> 1:01:14.280 Just like, ah, what are you doing? 1:01:14.440 --> 1:01:18.600 Smile and it's like she's crying, like it's just people 1:01:18.640 --> 1:01:21.760 are so sick. And so Buchanan is out there making 1:01:21.800 --> 1:01:24.720 money trying to say that Hamlin's health is like you know, 1:01:24.760 --> 1:01:27.760 it's not right and whatever, and I'm like, whatever, fuck 1:01:27.800 --> 1:01:30.120 this little bitch boy, But like, what are we going 1:01:30.160 --> 1:01:32.400 to do at the trial? And Barba's like, I'm sorry, 1:01:32.400 --> 1:01:34.720 anxiety is not health related, Like you can go back 1:01:34.760 --> 1:01:37.200 to trial, and Buchanan's like, how about we just plead 1:01:37.200 --> 1:01:39.600 to sexual abuse in the third degree. He will go 1:01:39.680 --> 1:01:42.520 on the registry, which I think is important, and then 1:01:42.560 --> 1:01:46.000 it's probation, community service but no jail time and he 1:01:46.000 --> 1:01:49.120 gets to retire first. And Benson's like, oh yeah, sure, 1:01:49.120 --> 1:01:51.920 so he can still get his pension. And Buchanan's like, 1:01:51.960 --> 1:01:54.600 I mean, won't somebody think of his wife? And so 1:01:55.280 --> 1:01:57.880 they're framing it like he just needs money for his wife. 1:01:57.880 --> 1:02:00.600 But whatever, the registry is like pretty import I think, 1:02:00.640 --> 1:02:03.080 and like not and having to retire, everyone's gonna know, 1:02:03.720 --> 1:02:06.840 like I bet all his guys are still gonna believe 1:02:06.880 --> 1:02:09.160 him though, Like I bet they're still gonna be like, oh, 1:02:09.160 --> 1:02:13.280 those ambitious, tipsy women. Yeah, and so he can never 1:02:13.320 --> 1:02:18.360 work in law enforcement again. And he agrees silently, but 1:02:18.440 --> 1:02:21.200 that's not enough, and Barbara pushes and goes, you need 1:02:21.280 --> 1:02:25.400 to alocute and court what you did, and he answers fine, 1:02:25.640 --> 1:02:28.120 like as he like if he has a choice, and 1:02:28.200 --> 1:02:32.439 I love a defeated man, So we had to allocution time. 1:02:32.560 --> 1:02:35.840 Our squad watches him with dreama and you know, so 1:02:35.880 --> 1:02:37.680 he has to say he's guilty. So then the judges like, 1:02:37.720 --> 1:02:39.000 do you have anything to say? Would you like to 1:02:39.000 --> 1:02:41.959 say anything to the people you're victims? And he looks 1:02:42.000 --> 1:02:44.120 at them, so he like looks at fucking Rollins and 1:02:44.160 --> 1:02:46.760 Reese and like stares at them and goes turns back 1:02:46.760 --> 1:02:49.840 to the judge and goes, no, your honor, still a 1:02:49.840 --> 1:02:53.840 fucking dick. And finally finally they're wearing coats. Finally they're 1:02:53.880 --> 1:02:57.800 warm enough, and Amorrow's like, he plays this guy. I 1:02:57.840 --> 1:03:00.560 don't know Amorrow's annoying, but he goes he Amorro's he goes, 1:03:00.560 --> 1:03:02.920 what the fuck, no jail time, and Fin's like, at 1:03:03.000 --> 1:03:05.760 least he's on the registry and I'm fit in this situation. 1:03:06.280 --> 1:03:09.440 And then Rollins goes, at least it's over, and Tomorrow 1:03:09.560 --> 1:03:12.520 is like, yeah, I heard you. I hope you take 1:03:12.600 --> 1:03:14.600 some time off, and she goes, yeah, I need, I 1:03:14.720 --> 1:03:17.080 do need to take some time off. So she walks off, 1:03:17.120 --> 1:03:20.200 separate from the boys, wind in her hair, a very 1:03:20.240 --> 1:03:23.440 crisp day and she walks and I thought she was 1:03:23.480 --> 1:03:27.640 gonna go gamble, So I'm glad it's just a walk. Yeah, 1:03:27.760 --> 1:03:31.440 best case scenario for Rolla. She doesn't head to Atlantic City. 1:03:31.520 --> 1:03:32.200 Yeah. 1:03:32.240 --> 1:03:35.920 Wow, that's the episode, guys, A real good one. We 1:03:36.000 --> 1:03:38.560 get you another episode of Harry hi on another episode 1:03:38.560 --> 1:03:43.560 where the NYPD intimately interfaces with another state's police departments. 1:03:44.560 --> 1:03:48.240 So always like, let's seem up with Chicago Atlanta. All right, 1:03:48.360 --> 1:03:52.800 Well the true crime is a ride and well you're 1:03:52.840 --> 1:04:09.600 about to you're in for it, just hold on, Okay, 1:04:10.240 --> 1:04:13.880 So look, we go to a lot of different resources 1:04:13.920 --> 1:04:16.560 to fill out our spreadsheet on like what these crimes 1:04:16.560 --> 1:04:19.360 are based on? And like when we first started the podcast, 1:04:19.400 --> 1:04:21.280 like I found some lists, I found a list in 1:04:21.320 --> 1:04:25.640 a book, I found lists online. There's a very very 1:04:25.960 --> 1:04:27.840 one that we were referenced all the time. The SVU 1:04:27.960 --> 1:04:29.040 fandom has like. 1:04:29.400 --> 1:04:33.840 Very more updated links to what people think the crime is. 1:04:34.040 --> 1:04:35.960 For this one, we had it listed as the Russell 1:04:36.000 --> 1:04:41.439 Williams crime. As I'm looking at it, it seems very 1:04:41.520 --> 1:04:45.480 tenuously connected, but it's not connected to any other Law 1:04:45.480 --> 1:04:49.040 and Order SVU episodes, and it is a wild fucking crime. 1:04:49.200 --> 1:04:51.200 So we're just covering it. I'm sorry if it's not 1:04:51.520 --> 1:04:53.880 if it doesn't match up exactly, but I think it's 1:04:53.920 --> 1:04:57.640 worth it. So this is a Canadian joint. This happens 1:04:57.680 --> 1:05:00.920 in Canada. Shout out to all our Canadian listeners. You 1:05:00.960 --> 1:05:03.160 guys have a lot of serial killers up there. So 1:05:04.480 --> 1:05:07.560 this crime is so much worse than what television writers 1:05:07.600 --> 1:05:09.440 put together in a room, is what I'm saying. 1:05:09.600 --> 1:05:11.480 Like, it's so much more out of control. 1:05:11.800 --> 1:05:15.160 So January twenty eighth of twenty ten, a twenty seven 1:05:15.240 --> 1:05:20.080 year old named Jessica Lloyd vanishes from her home in Belleville, Ontario, Canada. 1:05:21.000 --> 1:05:25.160 The police find tire tracks in the snow near her home, 1:05:25.240 --> 1:05:29.360 and the Ontario Provincial Police AKAOPP Yeah you know them, 1:05:29.920 --> 1:05:33.240 did a canvas of all the people using the highway 1:05:33.320 --> 1:05:36.040 near her home on the night of her disappearance. David 1:05:36.160 --> 1:05:40.480 Russell Williams, heretofore referenced as Russell Williams, I guess that's 1:05:40.480 --> 1:05:43.520 what he went by, was a colonel in the Royal 1:05:43.640 --> 1:05:47.040 Canadian Air Force. He was a decorated officer who had 1:05:47.080 --> 1:05:51.680 flown VIP flights for the Queen, Prince Philip, the Governor General, 1:05:51.720 --> 1:05:55.000 and the Prime Minister. He had a top secret security clearance. 1:05:56.080 --> 1:06:00.760 He months before this had been sworn in as CFB 1:06:00.920 --> 1:06:04.360 Trenton's wing Commander in charge of Canada's largest and most 1:06:04.440 --> 1:06:08.680 important military air base. So on the day of this 1:06:09.040 --> 1:06:12.920 these tracks being found, he's actually driving his Nissan Pathfinder 1:06:13.000 --> 1:06:17.520 instead of his usual BMW and another officer happened to 1:06:17.600 --> 1:06:20.840 notice the resemblance of his treads when they were doing 1:06:20.840 --> 1:06:24.080 this canvas to the ones that they found near Lloyd's home. 1:06:24.800 --> 1:06:26.640 So about a. 1:06:26.600 --> 1:06:31.040 Week later, February seventh, a week after she disappears, Ottawa 1:06:31.080 --> 1:06:33.800 Police call Williams and ask him to come in for questioning. 1:06:34.280 --> 1:06:37.280 They start questioning him at three pm and by seven 1:06:37.400 --> 1:06:41.000 forty five. This motherfucker is spilling his guts. Like truly 1:06:41.240 --> 1:06:44.400 took him four hours, less than five hours to just 1:06:44.800 --> 1:06:47.240 confess to everything, and all they had. 1:06:47.120 --> 1:06:49.919 Were tire treads. Are those like fingerprints? 1:06:49.920 --> 1:06:50.040 Like? 1:06:50.080 --> 1:06:52.840 Is there only one Nissan Pathfinder in Ontario? It's like 1:06:53.000 --> 1:06:55.560 very confusing to me. I know the last couple crimes 1:06:55.560 --> 1:06:58.000 I've been like, go to trial, see what happens. 1:06:58.040 --> 1:06:59.080 You're not gonna get caught. 1:06:59.160 --> 1:07:02.280 But like I, this guy confesses everything based on these 1:07:02.320 --> 1:07:08.600 tire tracks. So he confesses to a ton of wild crimes, 1:07:09.000 --> 1:07:12.439 breaking and entering and sexual assault. He told police where 1:07:12.480 --> 1:07:15.040 they could find evidence hidden in his house, trophies from 1:07:15.040 --> 1:07:17.480 his crimes, as well as photographs taken of his victims 1:07:17.480 --> 1:07:19.800 and pictures of him posing in their underwear. 1:07:19.920 --> 1:07:22.240 So he didn't have a canon as a lawyer. He 1:07:23.320 --> 1:07:27.720 just he did not have. Buchanists started chatting up a storm. 1:07:28.080 --> 1:07:30.160 Yeah, do you think there's a Canadian Buchanan. I don't 1:07:30.160 --> 1:07:33.479 feel like Canadian people are so nice. Buchanan's so cut throat. 1:07:33.560 --> 1:07:35.120 I know a couple of cuns from Canada. 1:07:35.160 --> 1:07:35.920 Don't worry. 1:07:38.200 --> 1:07:43.160 Canadian cuns another piece of merch. Okay, this is just 1:07:43.240 --> 1:07:43.840 so wild. 1:07:44.240 --> 1:07:46.479 So he told them what he did with Jessica's body, 1:07:46.480 --> 1:07:50.080 which they found the next morning. And basically what happened 1:07:50.160 --> 1:07:52.640 was the day before she died, Williams saw her on 1:07:52.720 --> 1:07:56.440 a treadmill through her home window. So he just saw her. 1:07:56.920 --> 1:07:58.840 She wasn't even out on the streets. She was in 1:07:59.040 --> 1:08:00.360 the privacy of her own home. 1:08:00.400 --> 1:08:01.640 Wait, have you seen the movie? 1:08:01.760 --> 1:08:05.160 It's like Julia Roberts and mel Gibson. 1:08:05.760 --> 1:08:07.720 They've been in a couple together, is it. 1:08:07.720 --> 1:08:09.640 It's the one where she's running on a treadmill in 1:08:09.680 --> 1:08:10.880 her home and he's watching her. 1:08:11.600 --> 1:08:14.040 That's why I thought of it. Wait, what is it 1:08:14.120 --> 1:08:14.720 called that movie? 1:08:15.400 --> 1:08:21.920 It's like secrets or it's like conspiracy or uh conspiracy theory. Yes, okay, 1:08:21.920 --> 1:08:23.800 I knew. I was like, it has the word conspiracy. 1:08:24.280 --> 1:08:25.679 Oh is that like a thriller? 1:08:25.920 --> 1:08:28.759 Yeah, nineties thriller. Baby, that was a time to be alive. 1:08:29.120 --> 1:08:29.800 That was a time. 1:08:29.880 --> 1:08:32.479 Well, Julia Roberts sleeping with the enemy. She had a 1:08:32.479 --> 1:08:35.519 couple of those scary ones and then she went. Then 1:08:35.560 --> 1:08:39.439 she was all rom golm. So he sees her on 1:08:39.520 --> 1:08:41.559 her fucking treadmill. The next day, she sends a text 1:08:41.600 --> 1:08:43.559 to a friend and that's the last anyone hears from her, 1:08:43.840 --> 1:08:46.800 because what happened was the next day he waited in 1:08:46.840 --> 1:08:49.760 her backyard for her to fall asleep. He breaks into 1:08:49.760 --> 1:08:54.880 her bedroom, bounds like binds her, forces her to get 1:08:54.880 --> 1:08:58.280 into lingerie, and then takes pictures of her, and then 1:08:58.600 --> 1:09:01.719 sexually assaults her, and he takes the entire thing, tapes 1:09:01.760 --> 1:09:05.880 the whole thing. Hours into the assault, he drives her 1:09:05.880 --> 1:09:09.200 to his home where she has a seizure, and then 1:09:09.280 --> 1:09:11.960 she begs him to take her to the hospital. She says, 1:09:12.080 --> 1:09:13.880 if I die, will you make sure that my mom 1:09:13.960 --> 1:09:16.599 knows that I love her? And then he gives her 1:09:16.640 --> 1:09:18.920 some fruit and continues his attack on her. Then he 1:09:19.080 --> 1:09:21.240 dresses her and starts to walk her away from the 1:09:21.240 --> 1:09:23.760 house like he's gonna let her go, and instead he 1:09:23.840 --> 1:09:25.719 hits her on the head with a flashlight and strangles 1:09:25.720 --> 1:09:26.000 her to. 1:09:25.960 --> 1:09:29.439 Death, like sick fucking fuck. 1:09:30.120 --> 1:09:34.400 So he also confesses to another murder, which happened two 1:09:34.520 --> 1:09:38.280 or three months earlier in November, to he murdered Corporal 1:09:38.320 --> 1:09:41.479 Marie Franz Como, who was under his command at the 1:09:41.520 --> 1:09:44.400 CFB Trenton. So one victim he knew, another victim he 1:09:44.520 --> 1:09:46.960 just stalked and found. So this guy's emma was like 1:09:47.000 --> 1:09:49.960 all over the place. They had only met once and 1:09:50.000 --> 1:09:52.960 she had mentioned that she lived alone in that one conversation. 1:09:53.720 --> 1:09:56.880 So that November he broke into her house took photos 1:09:56.880 --> 1:10:00.519 of himself wearing her lingerie and underwear. Then a week 1:10:00.600 --> 1:10:03.479 later she gets home and goes looking for her cat 1:10:03.520 --> 1:10:06.479 around the house and she finds Williams wearing a mask 1:10:06.560 --> 1:10:09.720 and hiding behind her furnace. He's got a bag full 1:10:09.760 --> 1:10:12.679 of plastic zip ties, a camera, duct tape, and a flashlight. 1:10:12.760 --> 1:10:17.120 Oh, we just found zip ties. We were doing a 1:10:17.160 --> 1:10:20.160 photo shoot. I'm sure you've seen some of the Pictsuretti, 1:10:20.960 --> 1:10:23.320 but we wanted to like, oh, what could look like 1:10:23.360 --> 1:10:25.559 a crime. And then in the middle of this college 1:10:25.560 --> 1:10:28.760 campus we find zip ties, rope and tape. 1:10:28.920 --> 1:10:31.320 And then nearby on a tree there was caution tape. 1:10:32.640 --> 1:10:35.080 Wild Maybe it's one of those student films for MESV 1:10:35.280 --> 1:10:36.200 or something. 1:10:35.960 --> 1:10:39.679 Yeah, Rosemary's Bridesmaid or whatever. 1:10:39.720 --> 1:10:42.200 And I could not believe the pile of zipize zip ties. 1:10:42.520 --> 1:10:44.240 Is there any good use for a zip tie? It 1:10:44.280 --> 1:10:45.240 seems always fine? 1:10:46.400 --> 1:10:46.920 No, No. 1:10:47.120 --> 1:10:49.240 A lot of times like zip ties are like holding 1:10:49.320 --> 1:10:52.400 planks of wood together when you like get furniture or whatever, Like, 1:10:52.439 --> 1:10:54.439 if you get furniture delivered, it's like, oh, cut the 1:10:54.520 --> 1:10:58.080 zip tie, like but yeah, like I have a zip 1:10:58.120 --> 1:11:00.160 tie that holds my shelf to the walls so it 1:11:00.160 --> 1:11:02.679 doesn't fall on my children, but like, yeah, in general, 1:11:02.680 --> 1:11:06.400 I think of them as just like horrific basically plastic handcuffs. 1:11:06.880 --> 1:11:10.760 But he also had with him a flashlight, which, much 1:11:10.840 --> 1:11:13.200 like he does later with Jessica, he smacks her on 1:11:13.240 --> 1:11:17.080 the head with it. Then he drags her upstairs assaults 1:11:17.080 --> 1:11:19.519 her for several hours. She pleads for her life. He 1:11:19.560 --> 1:11:22.320 records the whole thing on camera. Again, she says to him, 1:11:22.360 --> 1:11:25.000 You're going to kill me, aren't you? And then she says, 1:11:25.240 --> 1:11:28.120 have a heart please, I want to live. Instead, he 1:11:28.160 --> 1:11:30.519 covers her mouth and nose with duct tape and she 1:11:30.560 --> 1:11:34.000 suffocates to death again a different mo though than the strangling, 1:11:34.160 --> 1:11:36.800 And he also took more photos than after she was dead. 1:11:37.080 --> 1:11:41.080 Before he left her house Mrie Franz's house, he bleaches 1:11:41.120 --> 1:11:44.040 her sheets, covered her with a duvet, and then took 1:11:44.200 --> 1:11:47.160 several pieces of her underwear and lingerie. And her boyfriend 1:11:47.280 --> 1:11:51.720 later found her body. So not only has he been 1:11:52.160 --> 1:11:54.640 accused of these two murders, so that he has confessed to. 1:11:55.120 --> 1:11:59.880 He also confesses to breaking and endering forcable confinement and 1:12:00.040 --> 1:12:02.960 sexual assault of two women in connection with two separate 1:12:03.000 --> 1:12:07.080 home invasions from the previous year. He had just entered 1:12:07.120 --> 1:12:11.720 these women's houses, tied them up, had non penetrative sexual 1:12:11.800 --> 1:12:13.960 assault on them, is what they kept saying in all 1:12:14.040 --> 1:12:16.440 of these things, because they were talking about how he escalates, 1:12:16.720 --> 1:12:19.919 because he went from like penetrative to non penetrative assault. 1:12:20.200 --> 1:12:22.280 But he took photos of them. 1:12:22.280 --> 1:12:23.760 One of the women had her baby in the house 1:12:23.800 --> 1:12:26.280 with her when the attack happened, which is like so horrific, 1:12:26.360 --> 1:12:29.680 but I mean also just generally horrific. He also is 1:12:29.720 --> 1:12:33.960 accused of executing eighty two fetish related home invasions and 1:12:34.080 --> 1:12:39.080 attempted break ins between September of seven and November of nine. 1:12:38.840 --> 1:12:40.120 Like right before the murder. 1:12:40.240 --> 1:12:43.000 So he just is like running into people's houses and 1:12:43.040 --> 1:12:45.519 like grabbing underwear, taking photos of himself in the underwear. 1:12:45.560 --> 1:12:49.160 Blah blah blah. So I'll just say this. 1:12:49.520 --> 1:12:52.479 He's remanded on February eighth, the day after he confesses 1:12:52.520 --> 1:12:56.360 all this stuff. The police immediately start opening unsolved cases 1:12:56.400 --> 1:12:58.479 in places where he had been stationed to see if 1:12:58.479 --> 1:13:02.439 they can connect anything else. Inside his home, police found 1:13:02.880 --> 1:13:07.559 a ton of stolen lingerie and underwear, all neatly stored, 1:13:08.160 --> 1:13:13.320 cataloged and hidden, but like it meticulously kept, like he 1:13:13.600 --> 1:13:17.519 like it was like a trophy box. So this guy 1:13:17.880 --> 1:13:20.160 is very unlike a lot of other serial killers that 1:13:20.200 --> 1:13:20.679 we've seen. 1:13:20.760 --> 1:13:22.400 He had a successful career. 1:13:22.760 --> 1:13:26.760 Along and what other people called apparently loving marriage, and 1:13:26.880 --> 1:13:32.519 his activities began with fetish home burglaries around six oh seven, 1:13:32.520 --> 1:13:34.559 when he was forty four years old. That's kind of 1:13:34.640 --> 1:13:37.040 late in the game to start being a criminal, But 1:13:37.080 --> 1:13:38.760 who knows, maybe they just don't know that shit he 1:13:38.880 --> 1:13:41.519 used to do. He might have been a flasher back 1:13:41.680 --> 1:13:44.400 like when he was in his twenties. So, according to 1:13:44.479 --> 1:13:49.240 a psychologist named Vernon Quinsy, who spent sixteen years researching 1:13:49.280 --> 1:13:54.280 criminals at a maximum security psychiatric hospital in Canada, this 1:13:54.640 --> 1:13:57.679 he said, quote, it's very unusual for a guy who's 1:13:57.680 --> 1:13:59.439 got his act together like that to all of a 1:13:59.439 --> 1:14:02.759 sudden start committing crimes at a late age. This guy's 1:14:02.760 --> 1:14:05.960 also a professor emeritus of psychology and biology and psychiatry 1:14:05.960 --> 1:14:09.240 at Queen's University. He goes on to say quote. The 1:14:09.240 --> 1:14:12.400 guys who typically see start earlier. Almost nobody starts a 1:14:12.400 --> 1:14:14.799 life of crime when they're in their forties, which is interesting. 1:14:15.080 --> 1:14:17.479 This guy went on regular jobs through his neighborhood, which 1:14:17.520 --> 1:14:20.200 it turns out, we find out later are just reconmissions 1:14:20.200 --> 1:14:21.240 where he can find people. 1:14:21.840 --> 1:14:22.200 Quote. 1:14:22.240 --> 1:14:24.679 When sex predators go out for a job, they're always 1:14:24.680 --> 1:14:26.920 on the hunt. They're looking for the opportunity. They spend 1:14:26.960 --> 1:14:29.160 a lot of time casing a place. And that's from 1:14:29.320 --> 1:14:34.559 Glen Woods, the director, former director of RCMP's Criminal Profiling Unit, 1:14:34.640 --> 1:14:37.880 which I think RCMP is like a Canadian FBI or something. 1:14:38.280 --> 1:14:42.200 Quinsy says that this guy might be ego dystnic, which 1:14:42.240 --> 1:14:45.880 is someone who finds his own impulses distressing and unacceptable. 1:14:46.200 --> 1:14:49.280 So I had never read about that before. It's like 1:14:49.479 --> 1:14:51.320 the opposite of like a lot of these guys that 1:14:51.360 --> 1:14:53.040 are like this is just my need, I need to 1:14:53.040 --> 1:14:56.040 do this, this is just my way I am, or whatever. 1:14:56.760 --> 1:14:58.960 During one of his sexual assaults, he reportedly told the 1:14:59.040 --> 1:15:01.680 victim he was attacking her quote so I can move 1:15:01.680 --> 1:15:05.960 on with my life end quote. The experts also posited 1:15:06.000 --> 1:15:08.639 that perhaps this was a guy who could mostly control 1:15:08.680 --> 1:15:11.559 his impulses, but then something would set him off. But 1:15:11.920 --> 1:15:13.880 what set him off? No one can say this guy 1:15:13.920 --> 1:15:16.479 had such a normal life. Like the only trauma that 1:15:16.520 --> 1:15:18.320 they were like trying to grab out in his life 1:15:18.320 --> 1:15:21.120 is that his parents got divorced and then his stepdad 1:15:21.160 --> 1:15:23.519 got divorced again in two thousand step his mom and 1:15:23.560 --> 1:15:26.120 stepdad got divorced again in two thousand and one, which 1:15:26.160 --> 1:15:28.559 strained his relationship with his mom. But like, nothing out 1:15:28.600 --> 1:15:31.080 of the ordinary, and people's parents get divorced every day, 1:15:31.160 --> 1:15:34.439 like so it's hardly. He mostly went to like posh schools, 1:15:34.479 --> 1:15:39.080 had like a privileged upbringing. In April twenty ten, he 1:15:39.120 --> 1:15:41.720 does try to take his own life by wedging a 1:15:41.760 --> 1:15:44.400 stuffed cardboard toilet paper rolled down his throat in jail, 1:15:44.520 --> 1:15:45.719 which is wild. 1:15:46.360 --> 1:15:47.840 I know, I'd never heard of that one. That's why 1:15:47.840 --> 1:15:48.479 I included it. 1:15:48.960 --> 1:15:52.240 October eighteenth, he pleads guilty to all charges he pleaded. 1:15:52.560 --> 1:15:53.559 He pleads guilty to like I. 1:15:53.560 --> 1:15:56.640 Think almost ninety charges like the break ins and then 1:15:56.680 --> 1:15:57.679 the murders, and then. 1:15:57.560 --> 1:15:59.879 Then to the two sexual assaults. 1:16:00.360 --> 1:16:04.080 So on the first day of his trial and guilty plea, 1:16:04.240 --> 1:16:07.040 all these details emerged of other sexual assaults he had committed, 1:16:07.040 --> 1:16:10.360 including the one with the new mother that we that 1:16:10.439 --> 1:16:12.400 I talked about earlier, when the baby was asleep in 1:16:12.439 --> 1:16:15.320 the house. It was also revealed that he might have 1:16:15.400 --> 1:16:19.599 had petopheliac tendencies because he stole underwear of girls as 1:16:19.640 --> 1:16:20.719 young as nine years old. 1:16:21.320 --> 1:16:24.200 This guy's all over the place. He had progressed. 1:16:24.280 --> 1:16:26.479 The interesting thing about him was that he had progressed 1:16:26.479 --> 1:16:29.000 from break ins to sexual assaults with no penetration, to 1:16:29.040 --> 1:16:32.120 finally rape and murder, and he had kept detailed track 1:16:32.200 --> 1:16:34.719 of police reports of the crimes he was committing, logged 1:16:34.760 --> 1:16:37.840 his crimes, kept photos and videos, and had even left 1:16:37.880 --> 1:16:40.880 notes and messages for his victims, like after breaking into 1:16:40.880 --> 1:16:42.439 the bedroom of a twelve year old girl, he left 1:16:42.439 --> 1:16:44.960 a message on her computer that said meyer se like 1:16:45.120 --> 1:16:46.040 thank you in French. 1:16:46.360 --> 1:16:46.840 So weird. 1:16:47.720 --> 1:16:50.000 He took thousands of pictures of his crimes, kept them 1:16:50.040 --> 1:16:52.160 all on his computer, so he wanted to get caught. 1:16:52.680 --> 1:16:53.879 It feels like it. 1:16:54.320 --> 1:16:57.519 Well, you mentioned, like he's so disgusted by his own shit. 1:16:57.479 --> 1:16:58.920 Right, Like did he just yeah? 1:16:59.000 --> 1:17:01.599 Like maybe he wanted to just get put away, yeah, 1:17:01.760 --> 1:17:06.040 so that he could stop doing it. But the one 1:17:06.040 --> 1:17:09.280 of the attorneys for the prosecution presented a lot of 1:17:09.320 --> 1:17:11.719 photos of him dressed in the underwear and the bras 1:17:11.720 --> 1:17:15.919 that he stole. He frequently masturbated while lying in his victims' beds, 1:17:16.000 --> 1:17:19.360 like he was a mess. So he was sentenced by 1:17:20.280 --> 1:17:23.599 Justice Robert F. Scott on October twenty second, twenty ten, 1:17:23.680 --> 1:17:27.640 to two concurrent life terms of prison with no consideration 1:17:27.680 --> 1:17:29.800 of parole for twenty five years. I cannot imagine that 1:17:29.840 --> 1:17:31.720 in twenty five years he's going to get any kind 1:17:31.760 --> 1:17:35.800 of thing. But he kind of, like the case like 1:17:35.880 --> 1:17:38.960 stayed in the news a little bit because in twenty fourteen, 1:17:39.439 --> 1:17:43.360 his wife, whose name was Mary Elizabeth Harriman, one of 1:17:43.400 --> 1:17:45.760 the women named Laurie Massacote, who had been one of 1:17:45.800 --> 1:17:49.519 the tie Up sexual assault victims who lived. She foiled 1:17:49.560 --> 1:17:54.000 a lawsuit against the province Russell Williams and his wife 1:17:54.080 --> 1:17:59.320 named Mary Elizabeth Harriman in twenty eleven, okay, and then 1:17:59.680 --> 1:18:03.599 she in twenty fourteen petitioned the court to expand her claim. 1:18:04.000 --> 1:18:07.479 In her claim, she said that Harriman, the wife, was 1:18:07.600 --> 1:18:10.959 quote unquote aware of her husband's quote unquote illicit conduct 1:18:11.280 --> 1:18:14.880 but did not report it. So she's trying to say 1:18:14.880 --> 1:18:17.080 that the wife is basically complicit in the crimes that 1:18:17.080 --> 1:18:19.120 she knew her husband did the shit and didn't do anything. 1:18:19.600 --> 1:18:23.360 I have not heard of this before of a wife 1:18:24.000 --> 1:18:26.479 like even like Fritzel, who you know, I'm obsessed with 1:18:26.479 --> 1:18:29.360 bringing up Fritzel, like he was to committing these crimes 1:18:29.360 --> 1:18:31.479 in their home in the basement, and the wife just 1:18:31.479 --> 1:18:34.640 said she had no idea. I haven't heard of like 1:18:36.040 --> 1:18:38.479 wives being brought in as like you knew and didn't 1:18:38.520 --> 1:18:43.560 say anything before. I don't think like there's accessory obviously 1:18:43.640 --> 1:18:45.599 people that are helping, but people that are just saying, oh, 1:18:45.600 --> 1:18:47.320 I knew what he was doing and I didn't say anything. 1:18:48.000 --> 1:18:50.519 So because like the Green River killer killed over one 1:18:50.560 --> 1:18:52.080 hundred women, he had a wife the whole time, I 1:18:52.120 --> 1:18:53.840 feel like, or no, he had a wife when he 1:18:53.880 --> 1:18:58.840 wasn't killing. So she won her her petition to be 1:18:58.920 --> 1:19:01.160 able to add that in. And that was bad news 1:19:01.160 --> 1:19:03.240 for the wife because she claims I knew nothing about 1:19:03.240 --> 1:19:03.839 his crimes. 1:19:04.120 --> 1:19:06.040 I had no idea. The lawsuit. 1:19:06.080 --> 1:19:08.960 The seven million dollar lawsuit was finally settled in twenty sixteen, 1:19:09.000 --> 1:19:11.400 five years later, and it's for undisclosed, so I have 1:19:11.439 --> 1:19:14.960 no idea how much it was for. But Mary Elizabeth 1:19:14.960 --> 1:19:17.400 harrim and the wife had basically filed to have her 1:19:17.439 --> 1:19:20.200 assets separated from her husband's as soon as this all happened. 1:19:20.200 --> 1:19:23.360 And I feel like this woman was like, well, those 1:19:23.360 --> 1:19:25.200 are his assets too, and I'm like entitled to them 1:19:25.200 --> 1:19:28.400 as one of his victims. So she has never the 1:19:28.439 --> 1:19:32.280 wife spoken publicly about her husband or his crimes. And 1:19:32.680 --> 1:19:34.960 people wonder like, how could anybody have been so like 1:19:35.000 --> 1:19:38.240 oblivious to like he literally the shit that they found 1:19:38.240 --> 1:19:40.360 in the house, Like they went into his house and 1:19:40.400 --> 1:19:42.760 they found a pillowcase in the garage that had and 1:19:42.880 --> 1:19:45.759 multiple computer boxes in the basement, all had stolen women's 1:19:45.760 --> 1:19:46.360 clothing in it. 1:19:46.400 --> 1:19:47.960 Like a bat right next to their bed. 1:19:48.200 --> 1:19:51.400 What if he took the photos and videos and stole 1:19:51.479 --> 1:19:52.639 stuff for his wife? 1:19:54.160 --> 1:19:58.479 Like what if she liked watching it? Eh? 1:19:58.520 --> 1:20:00.800 God, because our whole thing is like maybe he wanted 1:20:00.800 --> 1:20:02.559 to get caught, Maybe he would watch it. Maybe he 1:20:02.560 --> 1:20:04.479 gets off on it. Why it keeps so much evidence. 1:20:04.520 --> 1:20:08.040 But it's like, what if his wife was making him 1:20:08.080 --> 1:20:10.559 do it, And maybe that's why he confessed so fast 1:20:10.600 --> 1:20:12.639 because she was putting him up to it. 1:20:13.280 --> 1:20:13.519 JK. 1:20:13.640 --> 1:20:15.559 I don't want to blame a woman, but I you know, 1:20:16.400 --> 1:20:19.680 the misery this little chunk has Broun a little. 1:20:19.479 --> 1:20:20.320 Mystery to us. 1:20:20.360 --> 1:20:23.320 All yeah, I mean the cops when they went into 1:20:23.360 --> 1:20:26.080 the room, the cops found a bag right beside their bed, 1:20:26.160 --> 1:20:29.320 and in it was a black skull cap and like 1:20:29.400 --> 1:20:33.559 all this sketchy shit. And then at the cottage that 1:20:33.600 --> 1:20:36.280 they owned, they found a devil bag filled with hundreds 1:20:36.280 --> 1:20:37.120 of pieces of lingerie. 1:20:37.120 --> 1:20:39.519 It's like, how is she not finding any of this stuff? 1:20:39.560 --> 1:20:43.720 He kept a lot so damn. That's that. 1:20:44.439 --> 1:20:48.320 I'm not sure if like somebody linked this to the article, 1:20:48.320 --> 1:20:50.519 because it's just about like a man in power, like 1:20:50.560 --> 1:20:55.240 who's a serial rapist? Like because this guy was so decorated. 1:20:55.920 --> 1:20:59.920 Yeah, did you say that the settlements amount this It. 1:21:00.120 --> 1:21:02.360 Was a seven million dollar lawsuit that they settled and 1:21:02.400 --> 1:21:04.760 I don't know how much it was for. It's undisclosed 1:21:05.680 --> 1:21:08.280 how much they settled for. But since why would they 1:21:08.400 --> 1:21:10.760 settle if she didn't do if she didn't know, like 1:21:10.920 --> 1:21:13.479 I well, the problem the Province of Ontario was involved 1:21:13.520 --> 1:21:18.040 as well. Oh yeah, so I think probably the majority 1:21:18.080 --> 1:21:20.000 of the money came from like the province, and then 1:21:20.160 --> 1:21:22.799 like the wife probably threw in. 1:21:22.760 --> 1:21:23.479 Like what she had. 1:21:23.560 --> 1:21:25.320 I know they had a I know that they had 1:21:25.360 --> 1:21:27.600 a two point four million dollar house in Ottawa that 1:21:27.720 --> 1:21:30.960 she said that was hers and they were trying to 1:21:31.000 --> 1:21:33.360 give like the less expensive house was like on his side, 1:21:33.400 --> 1:21:35.879 and people were on her about her real estate holdings 1:21:35.880 --> 1:21:36.280 and shit. 1:21:36.400 --> 1:21:37.800 But I think she knew. 1:21:39.520 --> 1:21:42.680 Yeah, just off, just off right now in my gut, 1:21:42.800 --> 1:21:46.719 Like I don't know. I find it's. 1:21:46.560 --> 1:21:48.639 Like if Jared has one new thing in the house, 1:21:48.680 --> 1:21:50.680 I'm like, where'd this come from? Like I like I 1:21:50.720 --> 1:21:51.280 know where. 1:21:51.360 --> 1:21:53.000 Like you know what I mean, Like you just kind 1:21:53.000 --> 1:21:56.800 of are like, what's in that Duffel bag? Oh, women's lingerie? 1:21:57.080 --> 1:22:01.479 Like it seems a little but it's free. I don't 1:22:01.479 --> 1:22:02.840 know if I would go so far as to say 1:22:02.960 --> 1:22:04.800 she was like, go kill people, because I'm turned on 1:22:04.840 --> 1:22:05.040 by it. 1:22:05.080 --> 1:22:07.600 But maybe he was bringing her lingerie. 1:22:06.920 --> 1:22:10.200 Because the only reason I'm jumping to this conclusion is 1:22:10.640 --> 1:22:15.120 because he confessed so quick. I mean like he just 1:22:15.240 --> 1:22:17.000 was like, yeah, I did it, whatever, get me out 1:22:17.000 --> 1:22:20.439 of here, Like I don't know, And with the stuff 1:22:20.520 --> 1:22:23.120 just being everywhere in so much of it, I don't know. 1:22:23.800 --> 1:22:27.080 Yeah, And they probably would have found out about the 1:22:27.120 --> 1:22:30.920 other victim because they were actually acquaintances with each other. 1:22:31.240 --> 1:22:33.240 So once he confessed to the Jessica Lloyd, which is 1:22:33.280 --> 1:22:37.160 essentially a stranger murder. I'm sure they would have been like, oh, 1:22:37.320 --> 1:22:41.320 this guy worked with a woman who died, you know, 1:22:41.720 --> 1:22:44.439 two months ago, so I guess that's why he confess 1:22:44.520 --> 1:22:48.080 to that. But yeah, not even a not guilty by 1:22:48.200 --> 1:22:50.439 reason of a mental disease. I don't know if they 1:22:50.479 --> 1:22:52.759 have that in Canada, but I'm sure they do. Like nothing, 1:22:52.920 --> 1:22:55.519 just guilty, guilty, guilty, never getting out of jail. 1:22:55.600 --> 1:23:01.200 Canada, they have a whoopsie left charge oops a daisy. 1:23:02.560 --> 1:23:05.080 So that's that. On that so horrific. 1:23:05.520 --> 1:23:07.840 But we have a great guest for today, guys, so 1:23:07.880 --> 1:23:18.120 don't move a little muscle. Okay, guys, our guest today. 1:23:18.439 --> 1:23:20.599 You'll never believe how I booked her. Our kids were 1:23:20.600 --> 1:23:24.240 playing together at a playground and I recognized her from 1:23:24.280 --> 1:23:26.760 an SVU and was like, you gotta come to my podcast. 1:23:26.920 --> 1:23:30.559 So she is an actress, both on the dramatic and 1:23:30.640 --> 1:23:32.960 comedic side. You know her as the star of Don't 1:23:32.960 --> 1:23:35.080 Trust the Bee in Apartment twenty three, and she was 1:23:35.120 --> 1:23:37.599 the lead in the very disturbing film Compliance. But you 1:23:37.640 --> 1:23:42.040 know her today as Detective Rhyes Taymoor. Please enjoy our 1:23:42.120 --> 1:23:45.920 convo with the delightful dreama Walker DREAMA. 1:23:45.840 --> 1:23:47.000 So good to have you here. 1:23:47.600 --> 1:23:51.080 Famously, basically, I feel like my daughter Rosie got you 1:23:51.120 --> 1:23:53.760 booked on this podcast because your daughter came up to 1:23:53.800 --> 1:23:57.799 my daughter somewhere and we start they started coloring together, 1:23:58.080 --> 1:24:00.679 and then I mean, I booked you for this really 1:24:00.720 --> 1:24:02.719 on the playground. It's our first playground booking. 1:24:03.520 --> 1:24:06.760 I mean, let's be honest. My daughter came up to 1:24:06.840 --> 1:24:08.000 your daughter at a bar. 1:24:10.320 --> 1:24:13.200 It was this barcade, what was no, no, you know it. 1:24:13.200 --> 1:24:15.919 It's the bar in our neighborhood that's like kid Central 1:24:16.040 --> 1:24:20.720 after school, you know, on Friday afternoons. And I like, 1:24:20.840 --> 1:24:23.639 she just I brought markers because otherwise they just try 1:24:23.680 --> 1:24:25.200 to like run out onto the street. 1:24:25.360 --> 1:24:27.840 And her little cutie just walked up and was like, 1:24:27.880 --> 1:24:28.200 can I. 1:24:28.160 --> 1:24:29.840 Draw with you guys? And I was like, of course 1:24:29.880 --> 1:24:32.080 you can. And then I kept seeing you at the 1:24:32.080 --> 1:24:34.400 playground and was like, you've been in a NSPU. You 1:24:34.479 --> 1:24:37.679 have to do my podcast. And then the dream came true. 1:24:37.800 --> 1:24:39.679 Here we are, here, we are. 1:24:39.800 --> 1:24:42.519 It's all started with the bar, like all good things do. 1:24:43.600 --> 1:24:45.599 And I guess we'll start with something else great. 1:24:45.640 --> 1:24:47.519 I mean, this show is known for a lot but 1:24:48.120 --> 1:24:51.120 you know Marishka's hair and you came in really rivaling. 1:24:51.560 --> 1:24:54.000 Your hair looked incredible this episode. 1:24:54.240 --> 1:24:56.120 God bless, God bless you. 1:24:56.400 --> 1:24:58.280 Yeah, bless, it was really popping. 1:24:58.400 --> 1:25:00.719 You were ready for that pop, ready for that cop 1:25:00.760 --> 1:25:03.600 convention with a fresh blowout, and you were ready to 1:25:03.640 --> 1:25:04.480 do some networking. 1:25:05.000 --> 1:25:05.240 You know. 1:25:05.400 --> 1:25:06.120 It's so funny. 1:25:06.120 --> 1:25:08.280 Every time I've ever done any law in order as 1:25:08.360 --> 1:25:10.640 for you or otherwise, they're always just so excited to 1:25:10.800 --> 1:25:14.360 like do beauty makeup, you know, because they're you know, 1:25:14.400 --> 1:25:17.479 they're trained professionals for hair and makeup. They can do anything, 1:25:17.560 --> 1:25:20.479 they can do special effects, whatever. But they're always just like, oh, 1:25:20.880 --> 1:25:23.640 we just get to make you look nice, that's so exciting. 1:25:25.600 --> 1:25:29.160 Was working with Harry Hamlin exciting meeting him? 1:25:29.400 --> 1:25:31.240 Or did that not affect you at all? 1:25:32.000 --> 1:25:33.600 I guess this is the part where we realized that 1:25:33.640 --> 1:25:35.799 I'm a I'm an uncultured person. 1:25:35.840 --> 1:25:38.680 But I was just like, Oh, you're Lisa Rena's Husband's. 1:25:39.640 --> 1:25:40.280 That's for us. 1:25:40.479 --> 1:25:40.760 That is. 1:25:41.520 --> 1:25:44.280 Did he make you pasta sauce? Did he make any pies? 1:25:44.720 --> 1:25:44.960 You know? 1:25:45.120 --> 1:25:47.679 I mean, I mean I was just like your Lisa 1:25:47.680 --> 1:25:48.880 Arena's husband. I don't know. 1:25:49.160 --> 1:25:52.080 I feel like when someone's playing your rapist, you don't like, 1:25:52.200 --> 1:25:53.360 really let you get. 1:25:53.280 --> 1:25:55.640 To know them too well, you know, you're not like, 1:25:55.960 --> 1:25:57.360 let's be friends. 1:25:57.720 --> 1:25:59.519 That is true. That's a good point. 1:26:00.720 --> 1:26:04.439 Law and Order original recipe. Is that like your first 1:26:04.800 --> 1:26:08.120 acting gig. According to IMDb, it's like your first television thing. 1:26:08.560 --> 1:26:13.040 IMDb was correct. Yeah, that was my very first gig. 1:26:13.360 --> 1:26:17.120 I remember I bought a dog with her. With the money, 1:26:18.080 --> 1:26:19.880 I think it was like six hundred bucks and it 1:26:19.920 --> 1:26:21.120 was like the most I'd ever. 1:26:20.920 --> 1:26:22.800 Made, and I was like, I can get a dog now, 1:26:22.840 --> 1:26:24.960 and I did. Yeah, so it was it was my 1:26:25.120 --> 1:26:25.880 first job. 1:26:26.240 --> 1:26:27.800 What did you name your first dog? 1:26:28.479 --> 1:26:29.040 Maggie? 1:26:29.840 --> 1:26:32.040 Oh Maggie. Yeah. 1:26:32.040 --> 1:26:35.080 And it's insane. You're not going to believe this. She's 1:26:35.120 --> 1:26:35.799 still alive. 1:26:36.200 --> 1:26:40.240 Yeah, yeah, she's going to be seventeen in September. 1:26:40.400 --> 1:26:40.679 Wow. 1:26:40.800 --> 1:26:44.680 Amazing, Yeah, crazy, Oh my gosh. And well, so then 1:26:44.720 --> 1:26:46.600 you did Criminal Intent and O eight. I don't know 1:26:46.600 --> 1:26:48.920 if you bought another dog with that money, and then 1:26:48.960 --> 1:26:51.160 you did SVU in twenty fourteen. 1:26:51.920 --> 1:26:53.559 So by the time they brought you in for. 1:26:53.600 --> 1:26:58.160 This episode that we're talking about today forgiving Rollins, were 1:26:58.200 --> 1:27:00.920 you just like did they did you auditioned for it? 1:27:01.000 --> 1:27:02.560 Or do they know you by this point in the 1:27:02.640 --> 1:27:05.160 Law and Order in the Dick Wolf verse, the. 1:27:05.240 --> 1:27:08.919 SVU thing was an offer, which was so generous. 1:27:09.000 --> 1:27:11.559 But at the time I was, you know, working pretty 1:27:11.600 --> 1:27:15.559 regularly and you know, was at a point in micro 1:27:15.760 --> 1:27:17.759 roll I was like, well, how much are they paying? 1:27:18.600 --> 1:27:23.080 They pay really well, wow, And I know people like 1:27:23.200 --> 1:27:25.800 love the show and so I was like, oh, yeah, 1:27:25.800 --> 1:27:26.760 I'll happily do it. 1:27:26.800 --> 1:27:29.280 So yeah, I flew to New York to do it. 1:27:29.560 --> 1:27:33.519 And it's really funny, like, you know, not to not 1:27:33.600 --> 1:27:35.880 that I'm like have even a B lister by a 1:27:35.880 --> 1:27:38.479 struct of my imagination, but when people come up to 1:27:38.520 --> 1:27:41.479 me sometimes and they say SVU, I'm like, that's so 1:27:41.560 --> 1:27:44.479 interesting that in you know, like eighteen years of my 1:27:44.560 --> 1:27:47.559 body of work, Like that's the thing that some people 1:27:47.600 --> 1:27:48.599 know me by, and that's it. 1:27:49.360 --> 1:27:51.240 But yeah, it was a cool It's a cool feather 1:27:51.280 --> 1:27:52.280 in my cap for sure. 1:27:52.920 --> 1:27:53.759 Yeah, totally. 1:27:53.960 --> 1:27:57.320 I mean, also, it plays constantly, so at any given moments, 1:27:57.360 --> 1:27:58.800 someone could see you on the street and have just 1:27:58.840 --> 1:28:02.000 seen your episode like the day before, so it's always 1:28:02.080 --> 1:28:07.080 refreshing people's minds. So, speaking of highdrama, in the scene 1:28:07.080 --> 1:28:10.680 where you have to like disclose to Benson. That's like 1:28:10.720 --> 1:28:13.240 a really I feel like you're real, You're great in 1:28:13.280 --> 1:28:17.400 that scene, Like it's really really intense because at first 1:28:17.479 --> 1:28:19.519 you're like shrugging it off like oh no, no, nothing, 1:28:19.560 --> 1:28:22.000 like everything's fine, and then you're like finally getting into it. 1:28:22.439 --> 1:28:25.240 What was it like opposite. 1:28:24.840 --> 1:28:30.320 Marushka the Number one the doing like that kind of scene, 1:28:30.360 --> 1:28:32.919 like do you remember anything from I told. 1:28:32.760 --> 1:28:34.880 You on the playground that I have a good story 1:28:34.920 --> 1:28:38.240 for you and I have a good sy you. 1:28:40.040 --> 1:28:43.920 Okay, So I'm in New York doing this show. 1:28:44.479 --> 1:28:47.160 Obviously, just grateful to have a job, grateful to have 1:28:47.200 --> 1:28:49.479 an opportunity like this. But if I can be honest 1:28:49.520 --> 1:28:53.080 with you, at my core, I'm a comedic actress. I 1:28:53.160 --> 1:28:56.720 don't feel super comfortable doing crying scenes. I moved to 1:28:56.720 --> 1:28:58.919 New York when I was eighteen. I learned to suppress 1:28:58.960 --> 1:29:02.599 my emotions. It is how I have survived, and so 1:29:03.000 --> 1:29:04.680 when someone wants. 1:29:04.360 --> 1:29:06.840 Me to cry, it's really hard for me. 1:29:06.800 --> 1:29:10.400 Because I'm just like, I don't fucking cry anyway. So 1:29:10.520 --> 1:29:13.800 we're doing this scene with Marishka, and I had kind 1:29:13.800 --> 1:29:16.880 of made a character choice that like my character was 1:29:16.920 --> 1:29:19.040 going to be in so much shock from everything that 1:29:19.200 --> 1:29:22.800 happened that she wasn't going to have an emotional breakdown. 1:29:23.439 --> 1:29:25.719 Which is I mean, definitely does. 1:29:25.560 --> 1:29:28.360 Happen some people, Like I mean, honestly, I think if 1:29:28.360 --> 1:29:29.960 it were me, I would just be so in shock. 1:29:29.960 --> 1:29:30.719 I wouldn't cry. 1:29:31.479 --> 1:29:34.960 But also, especially because your character is a detective. Yeah 1:29:35.000 --> 1:29:38.160 she's worked in this like with the victims and stuff, 1:29:38.200 --> 1:29:39.880 and yeah. 1:29:39.560 --> 1:29:42.000 She's a badass with a blowout, She's not gonna cry. 1:29:42.840 --> 1:29:45.320 So I'm doing this scene with Mariushka and we're on 1:29:45.400 --> 1:29:48.920 my coverage and Marishka is not directing the episode, but 1:29:49.040 --> 1:29:53.960 I mean, she's obviously like a force. And I can't 1:29:54.000 --> 1:29:57.800 remember what if she like stopped in the middle of 1:29:57.840 --> 1:29:59.040 a take or what. 1:30:01.280 --> 1:30:05.559 But she was like, honey, she was like, you have 1:30:06.439 --> 1:30:08.639 such What did she say? 1:30:08.720 --> 1:30:12.679 She's like, you have such a lightness about you and 1:30:12.960 --> 1:30:15.120 she's like it was a compliment, But I didn't feel 1:30:15.120 --> 1:30:17.439 like one of the moments she's like, she's like, you're 1:30:17.560 --> 1:30:21.719 so pretty that you just telling this story without breaking 1:30:21.760 --> 1:30:23.479 down is not compelling enough. 1:30:24.880 --> 1:30:26.080 Wow, And I was like. 1:30:26.960 --> 1:30:33.360 Okay, I'm getting acting advice from this. Legends from this 1:30:33.479 --> 1:30:37.880 like multi generational legend, and also like I can't tell 1:30:37.920 --> 1:30:39.960 her like, Hi, I can't cry. 1:30:40.920 --> 1:30:46.280 So I was like, I, you know, it's not like 1:30:46.320 --> 1:30:49.400 you have like someone with you that you can go 1:30:49.479 --> 1:30:50.240 talk to and. 1:30:50.160 --> 1:30:52.400 Like stuss it out. I was like, what the fuck 1:30:52.400 --> 1:30:55.080 am I gonna do? So I was like, all right, 1:30:55.160 --> 1:30:57.519 I gotta cry from Marishka. So I just thought of 1:30:57.560 --> 1:30:59.559 some really sad shit that had happened in my life, 1:31:00.040 --> 1:31:02.599 and I was able to summit the tears, thank god. 1:31:02.640 --> 1:31:05.760 But I was embarrassed. I mean like she was doing 1:31:05.800 --> 1:31:07.840 me a favor and I totally get where she was 1:31:07.840 --> 1:31:13.559 coming from and it was a place to respect. But 1:31:13.680 --> 1:31:16.960 it also was like, in knowing what I know about 1:31:17.000 --> 1:31:20.920 myself and my capabilities, I was like, you have gotten 1:31:21.000 --> 1:31:22.360 my achilles heel. 1:31:22.200 --> 1:31:25.000 Here, like I am not. You know, this is not 1:31:25.160 --> 1:31:25.879 my forte. 1:31:27.080 --> 1:31:27.600 I love it. 1:31:27.640 --> 1:31:29.960 Though we've heard other actors tell us about her like 1:31:30.040 --> 1:31:32.439 getting tears out of them before, too, Like I feel 1:31:32.520 --> 1:31:35.280 like she that's so funny that she's like, you're too pretty. 1:31:35.320 --> 1:31:36.400 Like if you were a little bit more. 1:31:36.240 --> 1:31:41.400 Haggard and you know, maybe had like a facial deformity, 1:31:41.520 --> 1:31:42.240 we would be fine. 1:31:42.800 --> 1:31:43.679 You're just too beautiful. 1:31:43.680 --> 1:31:45.719 I mean it was very nice, and I'm not sure 1:31:45.720 --> 1:31:48.320 if she was just like serving me a shit sandwich. 1:31:48.360 --> 1:31:51.679 She was just like, hey, listen, you little blonde bitch. 1:31:52.080 --> 1:31:55.080 You can't really act like we need you to, so 1:31:55.760 --> 1:31:58.400 can can I just tell you you're pretty and you like 1:31:58.400 --> 1:31:59.160 get your shit together? 1:31:59.240 --> 1:32:03.719 Thank you. I don't know, I'll never know, but yeah, 1:32:03.840 --> 1:32:05.879 it was. It happened. 1:32:06.040 --> 1:32:06.599 It happened. 1:32:07.200 --> 1:32:10.320 So much pressure, wow, so so much. And then it's 1:32:10.360 --> 1:32:11.760 like she's waiting for it. 1:32:11.840 --> 1:32:15.040 Oh my god, I know, I know, And like I said, 1:32:15.080 --> 1:32:18.599 it's really difficult. Like for whatever reason, if we were 1:32:18.600 --> 1:32:22.080 to do like a theatrical production, I would be like 1:32:22.840 --> 1:32:26.080 really inspired by the audience. Like I don't know, it's 1:32:26.120 --> 1:32:28.240 it's just such a different thing on a set because 1:32:28.479 --> 1:32:31.400 you get to know everybody around you so well. Everybody's there, 1:32:31.479 --> 1:32:33.799 everybody just wants to go home, get the scene done. 1:32:33.880 --> 1:32:37.000 And for you to feel that pressure of like cry, 1:32:37.040 --> 1:32:40.519 it's like, oh my god, you know, and I just can't. 1:32:41.040 --> 1:32:41.519 I can't. 1:32:41.760 --> 1:32:44.639 And then I actually have another story for you. I mean, 1:32:44.640 --> 1:32:47.000 I haven't worked in a while. I've had like a 1:32:47.000 --> 1:32:49.479 lot of kids, but only two, but you know what 1:32:49.520 --> 1:32:51.880 I mean. But this is going to like be my 1:32:51.960 --> 1:32:54.760 nail in the coffin. So it was the shot in 1:32:54.800 --> 1:32:57.680 the winter, and as soon as I got to New York, 1:32:57.720 --> 1:33:01.400 I got really sick, like a really bad cold, and 1:33:01.880 --> 1:33:03.840 I felt like garbage. And of course, like you know, 1:33:03.880 --> 1:33:06.120 I was going to bed early, taking care of myself. 1:33:06.160 --> 1:33:08.720 But when you're really sick, there's not much you could do. 1:33:09.080 --> 1:33:14.360 So the day that we shot the courtroom scene, I 1:33:14.400 --> 1:33:17.559 remember I had like did everything I could, and they 1:33:17.560 --> 1:33:22.000 did my coverage first, and after they did my coverage day, 1:33:22.680 --> 1:33:24.920 I remember they were doing coverage on the. 1:33:24.920 --> 1:33:28.360 Jury and I could not keep my eyes open. 1:33:29.200 --> 1:33:32.519 I was so tired, and like you know, obviously I 1:33:32.600 --> 1:33:35.280 have lines that they're supposed to react to, but I 1:33:35.360 --> 1:33:38.880 was standing on the witness stand just like not falling 1:33:38.920 --> 1:33:41.479 out of my nose, sore a throat, like hide double 1:33:41.520 --> 1:33:42.479 on cold medicine. 1:33:42.800 --> 1:33:45.120 And I remember nodding. 1:33:44.720 --> 1:33:47.559 Off and I was like, oh my god, I'm gonna 1:33:47.600 --> 1:33:50.040 get fined, but I'm never gonna work again. 1:33:50.320 --> 1:33:52.400 But I couldn't even that wasn't enough. I was like, 1:33:52.439 --> 1:33:53.639 but I have to notice sleep. 1:33:53.760 --> 1:33:55.800 And I remember like at one point the ad was 1:33:55.880 --> 1:33:57.240 just like you know what you can, you can just 1:33:57.240 --> 1:33:59.240 go take a break. We're going to have your your 1:33:59.280 --> 1:34:01.479 stand in like read your lines for the jury to 1:34:01.520 --> 1:34:01.920 react to. 1:34:01.960 --> 1:34:03.599 Which is like totally normal. 1:34:03.680 --> 1:34:06.080 I mean, like if I were, you know, a really 1:34:06.080 --> 1:34:07.519 big star, that would be normal. 1:34:07.560 --> 1:34:10.479 But I just felt bad that I couldn't stay away. 1:34:11.360 --> 1:34:13.559 Falling asleep on the stand is cool. 1:34:14.000 --> 1:34:17.080 Yeah, yeah, I was just like, I'm sure no one 1:34:17.080 --> 1:34:19.640 has ever been this chill in this position before, but 1:34:19.720 --> 1:34:23.040 here I was big like, yeah. 1:34:22.760 --> 1:34:23.559 You I really could. 1:34:23.560 --> 1:34:25.719 You couldn't tell you didn't sound stuffed up or anything 1:34:25.800 --> 1:34:28.439 like in the actual scene when you're in court, because 1:34:28.479 --> 1:34:32.000 I remember being like, like really impressed with your testimony 1:34:32.120 --> 1:34:35.200 because a lot of times, even when the person's like 1:34:35.360 --> 1:34:37.719 really like you were just like the most prepped witness 1:34:37.760 --> 1:34:40.080 that the show's ever seen, like always this is are 1:34:40.120 --> 1:34:42.840 like a little bit shaky, and you were just like 1:34:42.920 --> 1:34:45.120 this is what happened. Well, yep, there was drinking and 1:34:45.160 --> 1:34:47.400 this is what happened. Like you were just really to 1:34:47.479 --> 1:34:51.599 the point. How was that courtroom scene like face with 1:34:51.680 --> 1:34:55.599 like Barbara with Raoula Sparza, Oh my gosh, it was awesome. 1:34:55.640 --> 1:34:56.920 Everyone was so nice. 1:34:57.560 --> 1:35:02.120 God, I'm telling you, those those their hours are just insane. 1:35:02.240 --> 1:35:05.599 But they're just like a well oiled machine. Everybody knows 1:35:05.640 --> 1:35:07.720 what they're doing. And I mean no offense, but like 1:35:07.800 --> 1:35:11.439 New York actors are just like they don't find they 1:35:11.479 --> 1:35:14.680 show up, they know all their lines and everybody else's 1:35:14.720 --> 1:35:20.559 they're like kind, they're they're they're amazing compared to LA actors, 1:35:20.600 --> 1:35:24.439 I feel like, but yeah, every everybody's just so their 1:35:24.479 --> 1:35:27.599 work ethic is always incredible, and you know, the crew 1:35:27.720 --> 1:35:30.160 is amazing, and I'm just like, you had to take 1:35:30.240 --> 1:35:32.800 like seven trains to get here and there's four feet 1:35:32.840 --> 1:35:35.320 of snow, and you guys are gonna be here for eighteen. 1:35:35.000 --> 1:35:36.960 Hours and you're not going to complain, Like you guys 1:35:36.960 --> 1:35:37.600 are incredible. 1:35:38.120 --> 1:35:42.920 Yeah, you mentioned the hours, So I loved Don't Trust 1:35:42.960 --> 1:35:44.120 the Being Apartment twenty. 1:35:43.840 --> 1:35:47.240 Three, Me too, Me too. I was a watcher. It 1:35:47.280 --> 1:35:49.680 was so good. What were those hours? 1:35:49.920 --> 1:35:50.120 Is it? 1:35:50.200 --> 1:35:50.280 Like? 1:35:51.360 --> 1:35:53.960 Is Law and Order even wilder? Because I feel like 1:35:54.200 --> 1:35:57.080 most shows are just such long hours. But something is 1:35:57.080 --> 1:35:57.960 different with SVO. 1:35:58.760 --> 1:36:00.600 Something's different with SBU. 1:36:00.800 --> 1:36:04.120 I mean any drama, obviously you have twice the material 1:36:04.600 --> 1:36:07.720 and then also like you have big scenes like courtrooms 1:36:07.800 --> 1:36:10.320 or dinner tables or you know that kind of stuff 1:36:10.360 --> 1:36:13.400 that just requires a lot of coverage. I used to 1:36:13.400 --> 1:36:15.400 make a joke it's probably still not funny, but I'll 1:36:15.439 --> 1:36:18.360 make it anyway. So like, like I remember when I 1:36:18.400 --> 1:36:20.679 first got started, a like, oh, you want to see 1:36:20.720 --> 1:36:24.160 what their elbow looks like during this scene? Like sometimes 1:36:24.160 --> 1:36:26.360 it just seems like there's so many setups that you're 1:36:26.439 --> 1:36:27.040 just like, what. 1:36:27.040 --> 1:36:29.639 In the you can't we have got this? 1:36:29.880 --> 1:36:30.120 You know? 1:36:31.240 --> 1:36:34.000 But I'm lazy and that's why I haven't made a movie. 1:36:34.080 --> 1:36:34.519 A movie. 1:36:34.600 --> 1:36:38.240 But yeah, no, John Dressabe was like a dream job. 1:36:38.360 --> 1:36:40.559 It was like half days, you know, we'd be done 1:36:40.600 --> 1:36:43.439 by like three o'clock. And yeah, I mean I do 1:36:43.680 --> 1:36:48.080 think comedy like requires as you guys know, like requires 1:36:48.120 --> 1:36:51.360 a lot of energy that is hard for anyone and 1:36:51.439 --> 1:36:52.200 everyone to give. 1:36:52.720 --> 1:36:55.280 But I'd much rather do that than cry all day. 1:36:55.360 --> 1:36:58.840 I'm not Elizabeth Moss, you know what I mean. It's 1:36:58.880 --> 1:36:59.800 not gonna happen for me. 1:37:00.400 --> 1:37:03.719 Yeah, so okay, we're huge Sex and the City people. 1:37:04.080 --> 1:37:07.320 It is on your IMDb, but it doesn't say what episode. 1:37:07.760 --> 1:37:09.799 It only says two thousand and eight. 1:37:10.400 --> 1:37:11.519 As it's the movie. 1:37:11.680 --> 1:37:16.960 Ho oh my god. I was like, what the fuck? 1:37:17.120 --> 1:37:19.719 They usually have the information? Oh my god, that's incredible. 1:37:19.800 --> 1:37:25.960 Who I wear a bow tie? I am like a waitress. 1:37:26.120 --> 1:37:28.519 I have like two lines it's it was dumb, but 1:37:28.680 --> 1:37:32.479 obviously it was like huge when it happened. Michael Patrick King, 1:37:32.960 --> 1:37:34.880 which every time I say that name, I think I'm 1:37:34.920 --> 1:37:38.479 making it up, but I'm not. Michael Patrick King had 1:37:38.680 --> 1:37:41.120 all of us, everyone who had like a bit part 1:37:41.160 --> 1:37:45.679 in that, like had a very like lengthy extended audition 1:37:46.120 --> 1:37:49.439 like where we had to do like improv and like 1:37:50.600 --> 1:37:51.479 like I feel like there. 1:37:51.479 --> 1:37:53.240 Was even like movement stuff in it. 1:37:53.400 --> 1:37:55.120 And it was really fun because it was like me 1:37:55.240 --> 1:37:56.880 and like a bunch of my friends that were all 1:37:56.960 --> 1:37:59.160 actors or whatever. But I feel like he wanted to 1:37:59.320 --> 1:38:03.400 see like who you know, kind of like who was 1:38:03.920 --> 1:38:06.360 like serious about it or who was I don't know, 1:38:06.720 --> 1:38:08.240 And it was an honor at the time. 1:38:08.360 --> 1:38:10.559 But now I'm just like, oh, I'm wearing a bow 1:38:10.640 --> 1:38:11.960 tie looking confused. 1:38:13.400 --> 1:38:15.439 But now that I see the year, it all makes 1:38:15.479 --> 1:38:16.960 sense and I feel like a fool. 1:38:17.120 --> 1:38:19.040 But yeah, that's so funny. Oh my gosh. 1:38:19.120 --> 1:38:21.720 Yeah, because like sec in the City, the show was 1:38:21.800 --> 1:38:24.880 like when I was probably in high school or something, 1:38:24.920 --> 1:38:26.960 so that would have been really crazy. If it's like, 1:38:27.120 --> 1:38:30.200 oh this, we're gonna have this girl from Florida bean 1:38:30.439 --> 1:38:31.439 sext this safe. 1:38:31.720 --> 1:38:34.920 Yeah, No, that would have been weird. We're in Florida, 1:38:35.640 --> 1:38:37.400 I'm from Tampa, whoa. 1:38:38.240 --> 1:38:41.280 And usually the conversation is over after No, we had. 1:38:41.200 --> 1:38:43.120 A fun show in Tampa. We did a show in 1:38:43.200 --> 1:38:49.200 Tampa where the tampav Oh, that's awesome. It's really good 1:38:49.240 --> 1:38:49.400 to know. 1:38:49.800 --> 1:38:52.200 Well, I mean, obviously I like it because I'm from there, 1:38:52.960 --> 1:38:55.559 but yeah, it's like it's a super cute place, but people. 1:38:55.520 --> 1:39:00.840 Love to make fun of it, especially Tina Thing. And 1:39:00.960 --> 1:39:03.439 then I actually grew up with Britney Snow. 1:39:04.800 --> 1:39:09.479 We performed together in a performing group and she, oh, 1:39:09.680 --> 1:39:11.439 this is where it gets even crazier. 1:39:11.560 --> 1:39:14.280 So like my older brother and sister, they did commercials 1:39:14.320 --> 1:39:17.479 and stuff when they were younger. They were like super cute, 1:39:17.760 --> 1:39:20.800 like worked all the time. I didn't. I'd like to 1:39:20.920 --> 1:39:23.880 think that it was because of my personality, but I 1:39:24.000 --> 1:39:25.599 think it may have been because of my looks too, 1:39:25.680 --> 1:39:26.080 I don't know. 1:39:26.200 --> 1:39:30.479 Anyway, along comes adorable Brittany Snow and her mom is like, 1:39:30.680 --> 1:39:32.320 I'd like to get Brittany into that stuff. 1:39:32.400 --> 1:39:36.679 And my mom was the first person to get Brittany Snow. 1:39:36.840 --> 1:39:38.320 Her agent Oh. 1:39:38.960 --> 1:39:42.600 Ya, I mean it. 1:39:42.840 --> 1:39:46.519 God love you for saying that, No, I'm not tan 1:39:46.760 --> 1:39:52.680 enough or you know, uh, I don't. I'm sorry to 1:39:52.760 --> 1:39:53.479 disappoint you. 1:39:54.520 --> 1:39:56.040 I know, I know. 1:39:56.400 --> 1:39:58.760 This is the uniform of Tampa both all of these 1:39:58.880 --> 1:39:59.479 things you're not. 1:39:59.680 --> 1:40:02.360 I mean, I know, I'm just letting you guys down. 1:40:02.520 --> 1:40:04.160 But yeah, so my mom was the first one to 1:40:04.200 --> 1:40:08.200 get Britney snow her like Orlando Agent and yeah, you know, 1:40:08.240 --> 1:40:11.000 I mean, like Britney's so beautiful and was always like 1:40:11.120 --> 1:40:13.400 so cute and charismatic. And then before we knew it, 1:40:13.479 --> 1:40:16.360 she had like ascended to like having a TV show 1:40:16.400 --> 1:40:18.639 in high school and I would say she's wedding. 1:40:18.960 --> 1:40:21.599 She's also in an amazing SVU episode as well. 1:40:22.240 --> 1:40:23.240 Oh, I'm sure she is. 1:40:23.439 --> 1:40:26.840 It's based on that. It's based on the it's like 1:40:27.000 --> 1:40:30.120 the Tom Cruise thing or something. 1:40:30.520 --> 1:40:33.760 Right. Oh, like it's like a celebrity being again like 1:40:34.240 --> 1:40:37.760 against psychodelic, against psychotropic medication, and so she stops taking 1:40:37.800 --> 1:40:40.360 her medication and she does all this crazy stuff because 1:40:40.400 --> 1:40:41.360 she needs to be a medication. 1:40:42.280 --> 1:40:42.479 Yeah. 1:40:42.880 --> 1:40:46.200 Yeah, but it's with Norman Ritis. It's a star studded one. 1:40:46.680 --> 1:40:49.599 Now, your IMDb, which lies all the time, did say 1:40:49.640 --> 1:40:52.680 that you were in a teen pop band called Schoolgirls 1:40:53.360 --> 1:40:58.080 where there's an apostrophe or an asterisk. 1:40:58.240 --> 1:41:02.800 It's like stylized as like school girls, like what tell 1:41:02.880 --> 1:41:05.280 us the truth? I can tell you the look on 1:41:05.360 --> 1:41:06.280 your face that it's true. 1:41:07.439 --> 1:41:11.719 Yeah, you don't know anything, very intuitive person. 1:41:12.880 --> 1:41:15.240 No, you know, I really thought that i'd escaped the 1:41:15.439 --> 1:41:20.080 wrath of that coming back to life because I thought 1:41:20.120 --> 1:41:22.200 that that was kind of like pre Internet. But I 1:41:22.280 --> 1:41:25.880 guess nothing's pre internet anymore now that there's the Internet. 1:41:26.680 --> 1:41:26.880 Yeah. 1:41:26.960 --> 1:41:28.120 So I was in a pop group. 1:41:28.200 --> 1:41:30.559 That was the thing that you did, you know, when 1:41:30.600 --> 1:41:33.599 you were like trying not to get pregnant in Tampa. 1:41:34.840 --> 1:41:38.320 So yeah, I was in a pop group, and to 1:41:38.439 --> 1:41:40.719 be honest, it's actually how I got where I got today. 1:41:40.760 --> 1:41:44.320 I ended up getting representation through that said pop group. 1:41:44.600 --> 1:41:45.559 Yeah, it's crazy. 1:41:46.320 --> 1:41:49.000 So okay, how was working with Kelly Giddish? We've had 1:41:49.000 --> 1:41:52.719 her on our podcast. She's lovely. Oh she was so cool, 1:41:53.000 --> 1:41:55.759 you guys. We had like big sister, little sister energy 1:41:55.840 --> 1:41:56.680 in that show too. 1:41:57.320 --> 1:41:59.280 Yeah, she was so cool. 1:41:59.320 --> 1:42:02.000 I remember she had like a This was kind of 1:42:02.120 --> 1:42:04.360 like her first, wasn't it. It was like her first 1:42:04.520 --> 1:42:06.559 really big thing. 1:42:06.960 --> 1:42:09.000 It was a big episode for her because it was 1:42:09.080 --> 1:42:10.160 like really focused on her. 1:42:10.200 --> 1:42:12.000 It might have been like no, No, I'm sorry. I'm 1:42:12.000 --> 1:42:13.800 not talking about my episode. I'm talking about like her 1:42:13.840 --> 1:42:16.719 getting Oh yeah, I'm gonna Yes, that's like a huge, 1:42:16.760 --> 1:42:17.400 amazing job. 1:42:17.720 --> 1:42:19.600 But I felt like she just kind of had like 1:42:19.720 --> 1:42:23.240 the discipline and like all the like stuff that you 1:42:23.560 --> 1:42:26.640 needed to succeed. Remember she had a giant shreadmill in 1:42:26.760 --> 1:42:31.280 her dressing room at Chelsea Pierre's. And I was just like, dang, girl, 1:42:31.520 --> 1:42:33.160 Like for you to wake up at five in the 1:42:33.240 --> 1:42:37.320 morning and like say all your sad crazy lines all. 1:42:37.320 --> 1:42:39.040 Day and then go run on a tread like, good 1:42:39.120 --> 1:42:41.920 for you. Yeah, I'm just gonna go eat a donut 1:42:42.840 --> 1:42:48.160 with toddler. Yeah that's that's how I'm parent anyway. But yeah, 1:42:48.200 --> 1:42:49.639 I thought she was awesome. 1:42:49.720 --> 1:42:52.240 And I also feel like I've heard from other people 1:42:52.320 --> 1:42:55.280 that she's she's a good person and she's a great actress. 1:42:55.439 --> 1:42:58.120 So yeah, yeah she was cool. When we talked to 1:42:58.720 --> 1:43:01.840 her dog known to bring her dog to set. 1:43:03.200 --> 1:43:06.040 Probably, I'm wondering if I brought my dogs that trip. 1:43:06.160 --> 1:43:08.160 I think I brought my dogs that trip too, But. 1:43:08.240 --> 1:43:09.960 Yeah, I feel like I feel like she did have 1:43:10.439 --> 1:43:11.280 she has a bigger dog. 1:43:11.760 --> 1:43:14.120 Yeah. Her dog's name is Franny. 1:43:14.479 --> 1:43:17.519 Yeah, you guys are so cute for knowing that that's rible. 1:43:17.640 --> 1:43:19.840 Well, the dog is on the show as her dog too, 1:43:20.280 --> 1:43:23.240 so she walks her own dog on the show sometimes 1:43:23.280 --> 1:43:25.600 when she's like doing a sting and pretending to just 1:43:25.680 --> 1:43:27.920 walk a dog so that someone will attack her or whatever. 1:43:28.800 --> 1:43:31.560 God, you know, just a day in the life of 1:43:31.600 --> 1:43:32.519 Amanda Rollins. 1:43:33.280 --> 1:43:35.599 Oh man, do you have any other like you gave 1:43:35.680 --> 1:43:38.479 us so much, but any other little like memories from 1:43:38.520 --> 1:43:39.160 the set that you. 1:43:39.200 --> 1:43:43.000 Want to throw in there, like or anything upcoming that 1:43:43.040 --> 1:43:45.360 you're excited about to tell the listeners. 1:43:46.320 --> 1:43:50.479 Fuck all, No, Like I said, I had a bunch 1:43:50.560 --> 1:43:57.000 of kids, ipe you and I sneeze now, you know. Yeah, 1:43:57.080 --> 1:44:00.759 between like the pandemic and becoming a mom, my careers 1:44:01.120 --> 1:44:02.479 just kind of slowed. 1:44:03.560 --> 1:44:06.600 My agent says it'll get better. We'll see. I don't know, 1:44:07.479 --> 1:44:08.120 to be honest, like. 1:44:08.160 --> 1:44:10.840 I said, I really I just like making people laugh. 1:44:10.920 --> 1:44:13.479 I want to write, I want to I'm going to 1:44:13.520 --> 1:44:15.880 do comedy. That's kind of where my where my heart 1:44:16.040 --> 1:44:18.760 is at. So hopefully, you know, I can make that 1:44:18.880 --> 1:44:19.559 happen one day. 1:44:19.880 --> 1:44:24.639 But Drake figures itself out, Yeah, and we can. It's 1:44:24.720 --> 1:44:27.280 so crazy do cool fun things. 1:44:28.080 --> 1:44:31.080 I know, I know it's so bananas. But then the 1:44:31.160 --> 1:44:32.439 actors are going to go on strike too. 1:44:32.680 --> 1:44:39.639 Yeah, good good, that's right. Well, this has been awesome. 1:44:39.800 --> 1:44:40.920 Thank you so much. 1:44:41.320 --> 1:44:43.320 Love all the guys are so sweet. 1:44:47.439 --> 1:44:50.519 She was lovely to talk to, love her. She still 1:44:50.560 --> 1:44:55.320 see her all the time around town. That's I worked 1:44:55.360 --> 1:44:57.799 on the podcast through my children. The first was Virginia, 1:44:57.960 --> 1:45:01.560 but this is the second one. But she's great and 1:45:02.439 --> 1:45:05.400 it sounds like she had a blast on the set. 1:45:05.520 --> 1:45:07.800 I mean, this episode was a toughie. I mean we 1:45:07.920 --> 1:45:12.679 got a lot of Rollin's emotion, a lot of emotional Rollins. 1:45:13.439 --> 1:45:14.200 Absolutely. 1:45:14.479 --> 1:45:16.920 I think this episode does a great job of showing 1:45:17.520 --> 1:45:21.080 like all the reasons why people don't come forward and 1:45:21.160 --> 1:45:25.400 how it causes more problems instead of less, and hopefully 1:45:25.880 --> 1:45:27.920 one day people will understand that to be like, well 1:45:27.920 --> 1:45:29.800 why didn't you why didn't you say any of that? 1:45:29.920 --> 1:45:34.800 You know, there's so many reasons and it's like professional, like, 1:45:35.320 --> 1:45:37.400 I mean, Rollins ran away, went all the way to 1:45:37.479 --> 1:45:39.960 New York and still they won't leave her ass alone, 1:45:40.040 --> 1:45:44.040 you know, like it's disgusting, and we learned that wives 1:45:44.080 --> 1:45:44.400 will just. 1:45:44.840 --> 1:45:48.400 Like believe they're weird. Harry Hamblin Husbands, I don't know. Yeah, 1:45:48.920 --> 1:45:53.000 but also that like I thought it was like freaky. 1:45:53.080 --> 1:45:56.040 Also like her boss is taking advantage and being a 1:45:56.360 --> 1:45:59.360 like criminal advantage. But then her coworker like that guy 1:45:59.600 --> 1:46:01.599 was like you never had any time for me. It's 1:46:01.680 --> 1:46:04.559 like he's just like he can't even Like these guys 1:46:04.600 --> 1:46:06.519 are all like loyal to each other and are just like, 1:46:06.600 --> 1:46:08.240 oh wow, you're giving it to the boss, but not 1:46:08.400 --> 1:46:11.519 to me. Like the guy that like tried to she 1:46:11.600 --> 1:46:13.800 had to kick him in the balls with Franny. Yeah, 1:46:14.600 --> 1:46:16.400 he grossed me out. He's in a couple of other 1:46:16.439 --> 1:46:19.320 episodes too, as that character where you could tell he's 1:46:19.360 --> 1:46:22.679 just like leering, like he wants Amanda, but like she'll 1:46:22.760 --> 1:46:23.640 never but. 1:46:23.680 --> 1:46:25.800 They all get married. It's just like you can all 1:46:25.920 --> 1:46:26.599 be sluts. 1:46:26.680 --> 1:46:28.519 I just don't get why you have to be married 1:46:28.560 --> 1:46:34.559 to someone while also trying to like sexually harass your coworkers. Honestly, 1:46:34.840 --> 1:46:37.160 as much as we talked about how dudes are like 1:46:37.680 --> 1:46:40.320 have kids and get married, we should start an anti 1:46:40.439 --> 1:46:45.120 campaign being like leave us alone. Yeah, then don't get 1:46:45.320 --> 1:46:48.960 married if you don't want to be with your wife. Yeah, 1:46:49.360 --> 1:46:53.000 no one is forcing marriage upon you, Like I don't 1:46:53.080 --> 1:46:56.960 understand it, Like I like, I understand if. 1:46:56.920 --> 1:46:58.479 You were you did want to be with your wife. 1:46:58.680 --> 1:47:01.640 You've fallen out of love, get divorced? What's going on? 1:47:01.840 --> 1:47:04.720 Yeah, Honestly, while I was yelling why are you doing this? 1:47:05.080 --> 1:47:07.599 I realized who else is going to do the laundry? 1:47:09.800 --> 1:47:12.000 Exactly? Who's going to do your laundry? Who's gonna cook 1:47:12.040 --> 1:47:13.679 and clean for you? Raise your children? 1:47:14.400 --> 1:47:15.280 B blah blah blah. 1:47:15.560 --> 1:47:17.720 I think we could keep this little post mortem quick 1:47:17.800 --> 1:47:20.240 since we talked for forty five minutes about every c 1:47:20.439 --> 1:47:22.080 crime that I've ever read about this week. 1:47:22.280 --> 1:47:25.200 Agree, let's move on. Let's move on to what would 1:47:25.200 --> 1:47:25.639 sister peg? 1:47:25.720 --> 1:47:25.760 Do? 1:47:26.080 --> 1:47:26.640 You guys know this? 1:47:26.800 --> 1:47:30.600 It's our weekly segment our WWSPD where we direct you 1:47:30.680 --> 1:47:36.480 to a blog, a podcast episode, a podcast episode, a documentary, 1:47:36.560 --> 1:47:38.320 something to help you learn a little bit more about 1:47:38.320 --> 1:47:40.760 what we talked about in today's episode. And this week, 1:47:40.840 --> 1:47:43.439 I wanted to direct you, guys to the National Woman's 1:47:43.520 --> 1:47:46.680 Law Center for legal help for sex discrimination and harassment. 1:47:47.040 --> 1:47:49.880 You can find legal help if you're experiencing sex discrimination 1:47:50.040 --> 1:47:52.400 or harassment at work, if you're a student, and if 1:47:52.439 --> 1:47:54.719 you're a patient and the discrimination is related to healthcare. 1:47:55.560 --> 1:47:57.920 No one should be no one should be grinning and 1:47:58.000 --> 1:47:59.479 bearing it at work and being like, well, as soon 1:47:59.520 --> 1:48:01.320 as I get this promotion, it's gonna be good, like 1:48:01.439 --> 1:48:04.800 you know, you gotta this's this place has resources and 1:48:05.400 --> 1:48:08.599 ways to help, so they have several other resources if 1:48:08.640 --> 1:48:11.400 the harassment took place outside of any of the previously 1:48:11.479 --> 1:48:14.479 mentioned circumstances, such as a cop convention in New York City. 1:48:15.200 --> 1:48:18.920 For more information, go to NWLC dot org and the 1:48:18.960 --> 1:48:21.040 link will also, as always be in our show notes 1:48:21.080 --> 1:48:24.400 and on our Instagram story day of the release, and 1:48:24.560 --> 1:48:28.080 in the WWSPD two story highlight forever. 1:48:29.320 --> 1:48:32.919 Thank you so much for that, and drum roll please 1:48:33.640 --> 1:48:38.599 next week Ballerina Season ten. 1:48:39.520 --> 1:48:42.519 Oh my god, a top ten since the beginning, like 1:48:42.640 --> 1:48:43.760 we've been wanting to do this one. 1:48:44.280 --> 1:48:48.080 Yeah, so have so much fun watching it, and then 1:48:48.080 --> 1:48:51.280 I'm sure you'll watch the next five after that and 1:48:51.840 --> 1:48:54.720 we will see you next week. 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