Speaker 1: Of the Law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. These are our stories.
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Speaker 1: I'm Lisa and I'm Kara, and every week we discuss
Speaker 1: an episode of us for you. The true crime is
Speaker 1: based on And we talked to a celeb guest and
Speaker 1: we've got a good one for you today.
Speaker 3: But first, we're so excited.
Speaker 1: I mean, we told you guys this last week, but
Speaker 1: now like all of the links should be up, We're
Speaker 1: ready to go.
Speaker 3: Our tour is in full swing.
Speaker 1: That's messed up live anywhere but Hudson, if you know,
Speaker 1: you know, and I know all of you guys know,
Speaker 1: we are so excited, Like we're going back to cities
Speaker 1: that we love like Madison and New York and Boston,
Speaker 1: and then we're hitting up some new ones like Saint
Speaker 1: Louis and Salt Lake City and Berlin, Bronto and Burlington,
Speaker 1: Vermont where my camp pals will all probably be there.
Speaker 3: So yeah, like, please come see us. Get tickets.
Speaker 2: Honestly, not to toot our own horns. But our promo
Speaker 2: materials look incredible.
Speaker 1: And our live show is so fun, Like we just
Speaker 1: finished our June dates and like we had so much
Speaker 1: fun in like Denver and Tempe and all these places
Speaker 1: that we went. So it's really fun. It's not just
Speaker 1: two of us sitting at a card table like doing
Speaker 1: our podcast. Like we give you visuals, we give you games.
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Speaker 3: And that's a threat and a promise. Thank you guys
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Speaker 1: Also, if we haven't talked about it on the podcast,
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: If we have.
Speaker 1: There is a new piece of merch in our merch
Speaker 1: store that I'm obsessed with. It's a super super soft
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Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with it. I got mine and it's so
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Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 1: Somebody already sent me a message saying that the security
Speaker 1: guy at their work thought it was hilarious.
Speaker 3: I don't did he get it? Does he watch us
Speaker 3: for you? I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's a conversation starter. Get it, please, enjoy it. I
Speaker 1: love it so much, and that's like, that's it for
Speaker 1: the biz.
Speaker 2: And if you want to binge watch something, Survival of
Speaker 2: the Thickest comes out this week, so that's.
Speaker 3: Right, give it a watch.
Speaker 1: So this episode is wide releasing on July eleventh in
Speaker 1: two days on Netflix. Our very own Lisa is starring
Speaker 1: in this amazing you are Like, she's in the prom
Speaker 1: in the preview there's like two big laugh moments and
Speaker 1: Lisa's in them. So I'm just gonna be bragging on
Speaker 1: here like a like a mom and I'm like so
Speaker 1: excited to see it. Michelle but is one of the
Speaker 1: funniest people. Lisa, obviously you all know, is one of
Speaker 1: the funnest people. We got to watch the show. I'm
Speaker 1: very exciting and so that it gets a second season.
Speaker 1: Everybody flood Netflix on July thirteenth and watch Survival of
Speaker 1: the Thickest.
Speaker 2: And also our Boston venue, I do have it. We're
Speaker 2: doing the wilbur which is the Austin Boston. Need you
Speaker 2: to show up.
Speaker 1: You guys were so awesome in Summerville and now they've
Speaker 1: booked They've moved us up to the big leagues and
Speaker 1: we just can't have We just can't have a half
Speaker 1: empty house in Boston. It'll be so embarrassing it we'll
Speaker 1: be laughed out of town.
Speaker 2: So yeah, the wilbur is so intimidating in terms of
Speaker 2: the venue.
Speaker 3: It's so cool. So I'm really but a lot.
Speaker 1: Of people were already dming me being like the pre
Speaker 1: sale leake doesn't work because it was before it started.
Speaker 3: So luckily you guys are all enthusiastic and we know.
Speaker 2: You're gonna have us so many moving pieces where it's
Speaker 2: like all of these venues. Then we have the agents,
Speaker 2: and then it's like we're working with photography, the r
Speaker 2: getting the day posting everything, and then it's like, I
Speaker 2: don't know, the links might not work, get over the
Speaker 2: try again the next day.
Speaker 1: But by the time this episode comes out, all of
Speaker 1: our links better fucking be up at that's messed up
Speaker 1: live dot com, which is where all of our it's
Speaker 1: the link in our bio also, so it's like where
Speaker 1: all of our ticket think links will be. And so yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's all for business. Lisa, what's going on
Speaker 1: with you?
Speaker 3: You flew into la.
Speaker 1: Last night and went straight to a comedy show because
Speaker 1: you are a workhorse.
Speaker 2: Well, I was supposed to land earlier in the day,
Speaker 2: but I scheduled all these virtual things while I was
Speaker 2: supposed to be on a flight, so I had to stay.
Speaker 3: In Denver for longer. But I had a lovely day.
Speaker 2: I ate at Sam's Diner, you know which, Oh yeah, famous.
Speaker 2: I walked around and then yo kick you know the
Speaker 2: basketball player in Denver?
Speaker 3: Who everyone, I think that's how you say it. Whatever.
Speaker 2: So I walked into a store to be like, oh,
Speaker 2: maybe there's like a little I can buy for my
Speaker 2: friend Frecks or you know, no whatever, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: I'll just see instead. I left with a Dennis Rodman jersey.
Speaker 2: And I don't know how expensive jerseys are, but oh
Speaker 2: my god, not cheap. But it's like healing my inner child.
Speaker 2: But I did see the Blackening. How was it? It
Speaker 2: was awesome. I can't stop thinking about it, and I
Speaker 2: want to see it again, Like I have to go again.
Speaker 1: I really do this time because I really want to go. Yes,
Speaker 1: let's go see the Blackening. I loved it.
Speaker 2: Also, I went to I went in Denver, and so
Speaker 2: don't I don't really go to the regals here. I
Speaker 2: do AMC's and surprise laydown seat. Nothing is better than that.
Speaker 2: You think you're gonna be in a normal I mean
Speaker 2: I did feel bad walking in because on this well, okay,
Speaker 2: I did get high as hell before the movie.
Speaker 3: I was in Denver.
Speaker 2: So the employee on the screen it's like all the
Speaker 2: seats and you're supposed to pick a seat, and I
Speaker 2: started touching the screen and he went, it's not touch screen,
Speaker 2: just tell me what seat you want.
Speaker 3: It was so embarrassed.
Speaker 1: I'm sure in Denver he's getting that a lot, Like
Speaker 1: I really am sure that you're not his first high
Speaker 1: person trying to poke your way to a new seat.
Speaker 1: But only one person was in the theater, and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, he's gonna be so upset when I
Speaker 1: walk in, you know, like to think, yeah, fully alone
Speaker 1: and then no, it's me. Did you have any little
Speaker 1: scream moments? Where are you in front of the man?
Speaker 3: I was stressed. I was stressed.
Speaker 2: I was holding my head, I was shifting in my seat.
Speaker 2: I was like I had to check it to like
Speaker 2: I was scared. But also one of the actresses that
Speaker 2: I loved, she was just on Watch What Happens Live
Speaker 2: and she was in Swarm. She's in one episode of
Speaker 2: Swarm that I really liked. So this girl's having like
Speaker 2: a huge moment x x Mayo.
Speaker 3: Do you know her?
Speaker 2: No, Yeah, she's killing it And I just read a
Speaker 2: thing about her in Vanity Fair. But she's very fun
Speaker 2: I mean, everyone is so good. Dwayne Perkins is a
Speaker 2: fucking star. I can't believe he wrote that. It's so
Speaker 2: funny and good and like I and classic.
Speaker 3: That's the thing.
Speaker 2: It's like classic and follows a lot of horror rules
Speaker 2: while also being innovative and exciting and fun. Oh, I'm
Speaker 2: so excited to see it. Yeah, I have to go again.
Speaker 2: I have to. And it's star studded. Yeah, it's star studied.
Speaker 2: It's Remained Fowler, Yvonne Orgy like it's really it's really good.
Speaker 2: It's just like, it's so impressive to think, you know,
Speaker 2: it's it was like a five year journey, but to
Speaker 2: think someone wrote it, produced it, starring in shit, it's
Speaker 2: like incredible.
Speaker 1: I don't really know Dwayne very much. I met him
Speaker 1: on we did a show together once a long time ago.
Speaker 3: But he was so funny. So I'm excited.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm more. I mean, I've been writing him messages.
Speaker 2: He hasn't responded to, but I'm sure he's busy. It's
Speaker 2: definitely a one bay obsession.
Speaker 1: You and I also last weekend saw the same movie
Speaker 1: but not together, but all like on the same we
Speaker 1: saw the new Jennifer Lawrence movie.
Speaker 3: We saw No harm Farlings.
Speaker 1: It has in those names like something's gotta Give where
Speaker 1: you can't remember it.
Speaker 2: I cannot remember the name of this movie ever. No,
Speaker 2: I just keep telling people I saw the Jennifer Lawrence movie. Yeah,
Speaker 2: she's a star. Like no, I have not remembered the
Speaker 2: title until this moment, Like it's really not a part
Speaker 2: of my brain. But again, funny, and all the previews
Speaker 2: for the summer look good. I mean obviously Barbie, but
Speaker 2: like joy Ride looks so good.
Speaker 3: Wait, what's joy Ride?
Speaker 2: It's in the movie with so Joyride is about like
Speaker 2: two little Asian girls meeting as children. One's adopted and
Speaker 2: one has like Asian parents and one has white parents,
Speaker 2: and they meet and they become best friends. Cut to
Speaker 2: the future, they go back to like a trip to
Speaker 2: the home country for the summer, like they're eighteen or
Speaker 2: twenty two or something like that, and.
Speaker 3: It's like wild.
Speaker 2: It's like just a wild adventure and the preview, I
Speaker 2: was cackling. Ashley park is the star, Sherry Cola is
Speaker 2: in it, a bunch of dudes.
Speaker 3: It's it's like a comedy.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, I don't know how else to describe it.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 1: And when you first said it, I think because the
Speaker 1: other movie joy Ride that has like lely Sobieski and
Speaker 1: Steve's on and it is so scary that I was like,
Speaker 1: is it a scary Like I thought it was a
Speaker 1: scary movie, and then now you're saying it's a I
Speaker 1: was like, they go back to they go back to
Speaker 1: the homeland, and then what happens, Like I thought they
Speaker 1: were gonna get.
Speaker 3: Murdered, but oh, it's like funny.
Speaker 2: It's like they end up the blonde girl from search
Speaker 2: parties there and they end up she's a drug. They
Speaker 2: end up like having to put like cocaine balloons in
Speaker 2: their assholes.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, but they have to pretend to be
Speaker 2: K pop. Like it's like a cape follow four Asian
Speaker 2: American friends as they bond and discover the truth of
Speaker 2: what it means to know and love who you are
Speaker 2: while they travel through Asia in search of their birth mothers.
Speaker 2: Love that but it just looks like it's the year
Speaker 2: of movies and comedies. Because I also can't wait for
Speaker 2: Stray Stray's the Dog Movie.
Speaker 3: The Dog Movie. Yeah, I was laughing out loud in
Speaker 3: the preview.
Speaker 2: I just I feel like this summer has has come
Speaker 2: to play like this summerl.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Will Ferrell was meant to voice a dog like
Speaker 1: It's it's looks.
Speaker 3: So cute that movie. I'm funny.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Now, Hard Feelings was great. It was funny. I
Speaker 2: laughed a bunch. I enjoyed myself. I wasn't stressed.
Speaker 1: I think it's good everybody go see comedies. You guys like,
Speaker 1: if we don't see comedies, they're truly like going away.
Speaker 3: They barely make anymore.
Speaker 1: And now I feel like we're just blessed with this
Speaker 1: little pocket of comedies right now.
Speaker 3: But it's just and I'm gonna see all of them.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna sign up for stubs now because I've i
Speaker 2: haven't wanted to see this many movies in a while.
Speaker 2: But also I do have a statement, if you are
Speaker 2: at all care to see Oppenheimer before Barbie, you are
Speaker 2: the problem with America, and you are why Trump won
Speaker 2: and you are you? Yeah, you are not on the
Speaker 2: side of the revolution. There's like a whole like a
Speaker 2: bunch of memes and people are like, you got to
Speaker 2: see Oppenheimer first, and then you go see Barbie as
Speaker 2: the Palette cleanser, and I'm.
Speaker 1: Like, what, even I don't have no desire to see it.
Speaker 1: I don't even care what it is to see Oppenheimer.
Speaker 1: Even though Killy and Murphy is very good looking but
Speaker 1: interesting he is. He's like, he's kind of like, you
Speaker 1: know what it is. I never thought he was like
Speaker 1: that great. And then I saw him in Peaky Blinders
Speaker 1: and he's kind of like this like strong, quiet boss
Speaker 1: type and he's just like hot to me.
Speaker 3: Now, damn yeah, I just remember him on that.
Speaker 2: I think the movie was called Red Eye with Rachel
Speaker 2: McAdams where he like takes her hostage on a plane.
Speaker 3: Oh, I've never seen that. Oh my god.
Speaker 2: I saw a T shirt at a store in Denver
Speaker 2: and it was the Adida's logo, but it said Addicted
Speaker 2: instead of Adidas, And oh and the Adidas was a
Speaker 2: pot leaf. I'm missing a lot of information.
Speaker 3: You should have gotten that instead of the Rodman jersey.
Speaker 3: Well was it different already? Well, I walked in.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 2: I really it just felt like fate. I don't know,
Speaker 2: I've wanted the Rodman jersey.
Speaker 1: So m and is like was on the bulls when
Speaker 1: you were young, Yeah, and he was my favorite so
Speaker 1: and then McDonald's used to have him on the cups
Speaker 1: and when you poured the his hair color would change
Speaker 1: on the cups if there was like a liquid in it.
Speaker 2: I had all the best Rodmen March as a kid.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's part of the reason I hoard. And
Speaker 2: I'm so scared to get rid of stuff and have
Speaker 2: this like attachment to stuff because I do regret getting
Speaker 2: rid of some of my old Like I had old
Speaker 2: eighties Madonna t shirts like Blonde Ambition era. I had
Speaker 2: this amazing fucking Rodman T shirt that's a Chairman of
Speaker 2: the Boards and I, you know, but they're just gone.
Speaker 3: They're just like at Goodwill somewhere. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I just hope they're not in a landfill. I guess
Speaker 2: that's really Oh my god, I'm like, I'm such a
Speaker 2: stoner dude. I watched a documentary yesterday on Netflix about
Speaker 2: a different type of little submarine in Denmark.
Speaker 3: Do you know about this this guy?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I know we're going along, but this
Speaker 2: is insane. So this guy, this Denmark scientist, he's, you know,
Speaker 2: one of these loser types. He's like, I'm gonna go
Speaker 2: to space and build rockets and submarines. He fucking a
Speaker 2: journalist went down under, yes, and he fucking killed killed
Speaker 2: her and he's.
Speaker 3: Serving life in prison. So we're fine.
Speaker 1: But wait, what did the story say happen? Like why
Speaker 1: did he do it? Because I know I read about
Speaker 1: this when it first happened and was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: men are horrible, like women can't go anywhere, like they're
Speaker 1: just getting murdered. Like I remember the initial boom of
Speaker 1: this story. But then like what happened? Did he like
Speaker 1: try to have sex with her and she rejected him?
Speaker 1: Like what was like? What what made him kill her?
Speaker 3: Sorry?
Speaker 2: I I'm just looking. So it's called into the Deep Okay,
Speaker 2: a really bad name. It's not specific at all. It's
Speaker 2: we're already going too late.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Cut somebody else out casey Jesus Christ. And if you're
Speaker 2: listening and you don't care about the submarine, fast forward.
Speaker 2: But this I can't believe I forgot to tell you this.
Speaker 2: I watched the last so he the submarine thing. He
Speaker 2: was actually dating this curly haired girl who's talked about
Speaker 2: a lot, and she was supposed to go. And then
Speaker 2: this journalist, this cool journalist you know, has written for
Speaker 2: the New York Times and really cool magazines. She was
Speaker 2: actually moving to Beijing, and she had a going away
Speaker 2: party that day, but instead she was like, Oh, I'll
Speaker 2: do anything for a story.
Speaker 3: Let's go.
Speaker 2: So this journalist just met him, went down to the submarine.
Speaker 3: He came out alive.
Speaker 2: She was nowhere to be found, and he basically the
Speaker 2: first interview he said was she wasn't on board with me.
Speaker 3: I dropped her off. I dropped her off on shore.
Speaker 2: He kept lying, he's like a true and then it's
Speaker 2: one of those situations. It's like the We Work documentary
Speaker 2: where everyone's like he's magnetic.
Speaker 3: It was hard not to follow him.
Speaker 2: He's charming, incredible, and then you're watching the footage and
Speaker 2: you're like, this is a loser. This is a psychopath loser,
Speaker 2: there's no charm, he's long.
Speaker 3: Of course he's a liar.
Speaker 2: So then all of a sudden it was like, oh,
Speaker 2: she hit her head and I had to give her
Speaker 2: a burial at sea, and then was like, oh, I
Speaker 2: had to do this. And then obviously all the evidence
Speaker 2: was found. So her torso was found and there was
Speaker 2: thirty seven stabs in it and there was metal put
Speaker 2: around it. They also found the submarine and there was
Speaker 2: like he purposely there was puncture wounds that he purposely
Speaker 2: he wanted everything to sink. Then unfortunately had found in
Speaker 2: a bag. Limbs were found, Then tools were found where
Speaker 2: he dismembered her. Oh my god. So then they searched
Speaker 2: as shit, they find torture porn, beheading porn, like all
Speaker 2: this stuff, all.
Speaker 3: These notebooks he love.
Speaker 2: He like he watched torture, beheading and murder videos and
Speaker 2: he all these texts to his girlfriend became like shadier
Speaker 2: and shadier, and he like would joke about murdering her,
Speaker 2: but he would he was gonna do it to her.
Speaker 2: Just the journalists came through and just like and wanted
Speaker 2: to do a story, but he would have.
Speaker 3: And so the girlfriends keeps crying.
Speaker 2: I mean, it was really annoying because all of his
Speaker 2: friends kept crying about like fuck, it wasn't what about
Speaker 2: my friendship?
Speaker 3: Do I not know? And I'm like, can we focus
Speaker 3: on the victim? Yeah? Can we please focus.
Speaker 2: On how sad it is that this like young, amazing,
Speaker 2: cool girl who had no fear and wanted a report
Speaker 2: and like loved her job in life and had friends,
Speaker 2: was fucking tortured in a submarine.
Speaker 3: Can you imagine? Can you fucking imagine?
Speaker 2: Because you know there's nowhere to go and you're just
Speaker 2: down there. And also like, so this is kind of
Speaker 2: like the Queen of Versailles documentary where they come in
Speaker 2: to document one thing and then the documentary shifts into
Speaker 2: something else, because like the Queen of Versailles was just
Speaker 2: supposed to be, Oh, the biggest home in America is
Speaker 2: being built, and then it was oh, we're foreclosed on
Speaker 2: and losing our money. And then this was like, oh,
Speaker 2: we're just doing a doc on this guy and this
Speaker 2: submarine place, and then instead it was like the murder
Speaker 2: was happening, and so they had footage she was doing
Speaker 2: an interview where there was a saw on the wall,
Speaker 2: and then the next day when they were doing interviews,
Speaker 2: all was gone. He had already put all the dismembering
Speaker 2: and torture tools in the submarine. And the court said,
Speaker 2: thanks to the documentary crew and how much evidence and
Speaker 2: how much their footage helped with the case.
Speaker 3: Wow, but he straight up like tighter in this.
Speaker 2: I mean, we won't know what happened, but he got
Speaker 2: off he wanted to dismember and behead somebody and torture them,
Speaker 2: and he did it in a submarine.
Speaker 1: And like everything I was reading about this girl too,
Speaker 1: like when it first happened was like I honestly did
Speaker 1: not hear any of the details of this torture. Like
Speaker 1: I truly assumed it was like an in cell situation
Speaker 1: where he tried to like have sex with her and
Speaker 1: she rejected him or something.
Speaker 3: But like he sexually assaulted her. Yeah, But like it
Speaker 3: was all about how like she was.
Speaker 1: Like it was like it was all about like she
Speaker 1: was such a hustler, Like she didn't have a steady job,
Speaker 1: Like she had to go get these big stories because
Speaker 1: journalism is like dying and it's so hard to like
Speaker 1: get any kind of regular job, and so she was
Speaker 1: like working in all these publications like just trying to
Speaker 1: get the next big story, and so like of course
Speaker 1: she was like, oh great, and then she find it's
Speaker 1: like so fucking sad. That's horrible. Oh my gosh, it's horrible.
Speaker 1: That was my nighttime viewing.
Speaker 2: But and but he's like so oh, and it's like
Speaker 2: he wasn't an engineer, Like he didn't actually build stuff.
Speaker 2: He had all these interns and people just that believed
Speaker 2: in the mission, and slowly the staff was realizing it.
Speaker 2: And then he's on camera just being like, this is
Speaker 2: my design, this is my project. Other people could say
Speaker 2: it's theirs, it's mine, and it's like he doesn't even
Speaker 2: know how to do engineering, and he's just like comes
Speaker 2: off as such a like bosses I've had throughout the
Speaker 2: years where they're barely president and know but they have
Speaker 2: to assert authority. So they'll come complain about like we're
Speaker 2: an hour behind schedule and it's like who cares, you know,
Speaker 2: or like just like I just I've worked with bosses
Speaker 2: like that that like will come in and just be
Speaker 2: like the lighting's not right, and it's like, yeah, there's
Speaker 2: we're busy with customers. Yeah, they just they have to
Speaker 2: make sure everyone knows they're the boss, even they don't
Speaker 2: do anything. But thank god he's in prison and it's
Speaker 2: the lies right away. Oh no, I dropped her off
Speaker 2: at shore. Oh no, she hit her head. How Actually,
Speaker 2: you're not gonna get caught. How do you think you're
Speaker 2: not gonna get caught? Like coming to you, it's like crazy.
Speaker 2: He wanted to build his own rocket and go to
Speaker 2: space and yeah, the first amateur in space.
Speaker 3: It's like arrogance all across the allusion drag delusion. Baby.
Speaker 2: But then the girlfriends obviously lost her mind. She kept
Speaker 2: crying because it was gonna be her if the story
Speaker 2: and the journalist didn't come up. He was. They had
Speaker 2: text messages being like, oh, I can't wait to go
Speaker 2: into the sub tomorrow, like it would have been her.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: And then at first it's like all of his employees
Speaker 2: and everyone, well he didn't pay them, but all these
Speaker 2: people that were like, oh, I hope.
Speaker 3: They find him.
Speaker 2: And then when they found him, and then it's like
Speaker 2: he would never, he would never. And then suddenly the
Speaker 2: evidence and they were like fuck.
Speaker 1: And he probably honestly just thought like, yeah, I'll just
Speaker 1: I'll just drop her to the bottom of the ocean,
Speaker 1: never find her, no body, no crime, Like there we go.
Speaker 3: That's exactly what it was.
Speaker 2: But it was like he put metal and chains on everything,
Speaker 2: like he wanted everything to sink. He purposely the submarine
Speaker 2: well on a good news. I think it's because we're
Speaker 2: all obsessed on my Explore pages a lot of stuff.
Speaker 2: So there was like a huge giant boat accident, eleven
Speaker 2: crew members all presumed dead, like an insane crash. So
Speaker 2: then a few people went to float to find the
Speaker 2: bodies of the survivors and not like of the bodies whatever,
Speaker 2: And so they're they're like swimming around the boat and
Speaker 2: then a hand grabs them. And there was an air
Speaker 2: pocket in the like the demolished boat on the bottom
Speaker 2: of the sea, but there was somehow an air pocket
Speaker 2: and a man floated in it for three days and
Speaker 2: he said, he said he like heard all of his
Speaker 2: friends and crewmates being eaten alive, like not alive, they
Speaker 2: were all drowned, but like he he heard people like
Speaker 2: the fish eating all of his friends. And he was
Speaker 2: hallucinating obviously, and there was like he would float and
Speaker 2: that's how he didn't get hypothermia. But the photo of
Speaker 2: him like he's been going through it will share it.
Speaker 2: It's like him being like Jesus butt, you caught a
Speaker 2: lot of shit in your Explore page this week.
Speaker 3: Damn all right, straight up?
Speaker 2: Can you take a hand grabbed like and then everyone's like,
Speaker 2: it's God, It's God, It's God, and it's like, no.
Speaker 3: Eleven people died.
Speaker 2: This is not fucking God, like you, yeah, like shut up,
Speaker 2: but this dude the will to survive. And thank god
Speaker 2: the crew came in that day and he's just halfway
Speaker 2: in water, but one little pocket of air in this
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I think I would have given up.
Speaker 2: I don't think you'd find me in an air pocket.
Speaker 2: I'd be like, goodnight, I'm hearing my friend getting eaten
Speaker 2: by a shark. I'm out of here, Like I can't but.
Speaker 1: Listen, Casey's already given us seventeen flags. We have to go.
Speaker 1: Let's get started. We've got a great guest, a great episode.
Speaker 1: Don't go anywhere, all right? We got a Rollins episode.
Speaker 1: We got a Rollins episode forgiving Rollins. Did you see
Speaker 1: I think we posted it.
Speaker 2: But like Arianna in her Lifetime movie, everyone's comparing her
Speaker 2: to Rollins.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, they totally could play sisters.
Speaker 2: It's perfect, I know, but I hope they do some
Speaker 2: like fun social media things together or like I would
Speaker 2: love to see Arianna and Kelly Gettish do something fun
Speaker 2: some little twins at birth.
Speaker 1: But wouldn't it be funny if, like, while she's out
Speaker 1: on leave, but they kind of have her coming back
Speaker 1: to the show. Arianna just was playing her like until
Speaker 1: she goes back from her pregnancy. It's just like the
Speaker 1: role of Amanda Rollins we played in today's performance by
Speaker 1: Ariano Maddox.
Speaker 2: I do have to say, Kelly getdish in this episode.
Speaker 2: The acting is top notch. I would say, yeah, top
Speaker 2: notch acting here. So see this is forgiving Rollins. I
Speaker 2: think I've said it three times. Take a shot, okay,
Speaker 2: Season sixteen, episode ten. Oh, I just said something on
Speaker 2: Instagram where instead of you know, for weddings, it's like
Speaker 2: table assignments, it's you know, people want to be creative.
Speaker 2: It was one it was a wall of shots and
Speaker 2: it said take a shot and find your table.
Speaker 3: Ooh, that's cool, that's fun.
Speaker 2: The numbers are on the shot glass, which I think
Speaker 2: is cute. I think we know too many addicts, so
Speaker 2: I don't know if we could get away with it, but.
Speaker 3: It is a cute idea.
Speaker 2: So this air January seventh, twenty fifteen, and it's a
Speaker 2: big ass So we started a big ass conference Vibe
Speaker 2: and a man is talking about a Brave New World
Speaker 2: on a stage and it's a long table and there's
Speaker 2: a lot of people on it, and then it's a
Speaker 2: bunch of long tables watching with laptops and everyone's listening
Speaker 2: and typing, and if you look close you can see
Speaker 2: it says Winter Conference. And there's two men in black
Speaker 2: like security guards, like blocking the door. So what's happening?
Speaker 2: And the voice is hammering on and on, and I'm like, wait,
Speaker 2: this sounds familiar, and it's Harry Hamlin. It's the Harry Hamlin. Oh,
Speaker 2: full use of sauce king, the sauce king. So you'd
Speaker 2: rather have the bowlon ais not the pie?
Speaker 3: Right? Well?
Speaker 1: I don't eat meat, so I guess I'd have to
Speaker 1: do the pie unless he could make me some kind
Speaker 1: of other sau vegetarian sauce or like a impossible burger.
Speaker 3: Sauce or something. I don't know. I don't know if
Speaker 3: that might be bad.
Speaker 2: No, No, I don't think he would even you have
Speaker 2: to eat his pie.
Speaker 3: You gotta eat the pie, all right.
Speaker 2: So he's been full uniform And basically the point of
Speaker 2: his speech is that geographical jurisdiction isn't stopping criminals like
Speaker 2: they used to so cop steps to work together and
Speaker 2: share information, and then he brings up Pattern seventeen rapists
Speaker 2: and that's an episode we covered Pattern seventeen and for
Speaker 2: that episode we had Josh Pisce on the show. It
Speaker 2: was like a really good episode about like backlogs of rape.
Speaker 3: Kits and such.
Speaker 2: So we see Rollins, Finn and Tomorrow are in the crowd,
Speaker 2: and now we see Benson's actually at the on the
Speaker 2: table at this on the stage, like Harry Hamlin's talking
Speaker 2: about like and thank you to the NYPD who helped
Speaker 2: solve this case for us, and like, oh, you know,
Speaker 2: whatever does so much for across the nation, and he
Speaker 2: starts talking about Rollins, but then he takes full credit
Speaker 2: for all of her work. And now it was his
Speaker 2: idea to test the DNA, but he actually made it
Speaker 2: harder and was a menaced the whole fucking time. So
Speaker 2: she's visibly annoyed, but probably is used to his like
Speaker 2: scumlord behavior. And then we see Harry now at the
Speaker 2: mixer after the Rape Winter Conference, and he's drinking with
Speaker 2: a young blonde woman right near him, and then we
Speaker 2: hear the voices of our crew talking shit about him,
Speaker 2: like fuck his ass, we do the work, and the
Speaker 2: rape kits sit in your department for six years. And
Speaker 2: then they're taking a victory lap and Rollins quotes some
Speaker 2: AA meeting stuff about like, you know, do you can't
Speaker 2: control the things you can? You know, stay strong whatever.
Speaker 2: So Finn is like, I will not go to dinner
Speaker 2: with him, and he and the blonde approach as him
Speaker 2: in the blonde approach, and so he's being patronizing to
Speaker 2: Ron and they're all just quietly nodding at his idiotic musings,
Speaker 2: and then he intros the blonde finally, and it's Detective
Speaker 2: Reese Tamoor and he calls her darling, and it's her
Speaker 2: first conference.
Speaker 3: So Benson says, welcome to New York.
Speaker 2: And then Reese is just like me, and she goes, oh,
Speaker 2: just like the song, and so you know, I like
Speaker 2: that we're the same, and she is fangirling Benson. She's
Speaker 2: gushing she knows her old cases. But then the violins
Speaker 2: start playing, Rollins looks pissed. Harry keeps calling her darling
Speaker 2: as well, and then they finally walk away and Rollin says, yep, Atlanta,
Speaker 2: they're so polite, and Amaro walks over to the three
Speaker 2: amigos and he drops the ball to the Atlanta people
Speaker 2: want to go to dinner, and Finn goes, I'm out
Speaker 2: of here and he runs away. Benson goes home to
Speaker 2: Noah and Amaro's like, great, just you and me, and
Speaker 2: Rollin's goes, no, I'm not really good at hanging out
Speaker 2: with the good old boys, and Amara's like, well, Reese
Speaker 2: is coming. Rollin says, nah, I gotta go walk. Franny
Speaker 2: runs off, So they panned to the other Atlanta cop
Speaker 2: that was causing issues for Rollins in Pattern seventeen and
Speaker 2: he's a favorite. He's been in tons of episodes of SVU.
Speaker 2: He was an episode Raw. He plays the racist father
Speaker 2: with a plan and he is wearing an orange cream
Speaker 2: sickle colored shirt. So the music swells louder and Rollins
Speaker 2: is alone at a bar drinking whiskey and the bar
Speaker 2: is bustling like people. It really looks like a Friday
Speaker 2: night date bar, like everyone is packed like sardines. And
Speaker 2: she is just like alone, sitting in a world of
Speaker 2: her own, and she wants another one, and she is
Speaker 2: just like very shook and not happy. We're now at
Speaker 2: the office and in mar I was like, holy shit,
Speaker 2: those guys can put it away. He says he left
Speaker 2: and they kept drinking, and Finn laughs and goes, hah, Rollin,
Speaker 2: stuck you with them. And then Finn on his desk,
Speaker 2: my favorite. He has Bodega breakfast and an empty like
Speaker 2: iced coffee cup, which I'm obsessed with. And in the background,
Speaker 2: another cop is getting food delivered to the precinct.
Speaker 3: So it seems like everyone is hungover today at work.
Speaker 2: And Tomorrow gets closer to Finn and goes, what's up
Speaker 2: with those guys, what's the deal? And he goes just
Speaker 2: talks to Rollins, I I ton't I'm done. So Rollins
Speaker 2: walks in with her sunglasses still on, and she's looking
Speaker 2: for Benson and uh oh, Finn answers a call and
Speaker 2: then he says to all of them bad news. Hotel
Speaker 2: rape last night and the victim is Reese, the young
Speaker 2: detective from Atlanta. So yeah, so we cut to the
Speaker 2: hospital and the gorgeous doctor is telling Benson and Rollins
Speaker 2: and like a walk and talk she had a giant
Speaker 2: head wound and she like knocked out in the bathroom
Speaker 2: and we found her on the bathroom tile floor of
Speaker 2: the hotel and she was found by the maid and
Speaker 2: she disclosed her rape to the er nurse, so they
Speaker 2: ran a kit. There's no drugs, but booze levels were
Speaker 2: high one point too. But there's bite marks and bruising
Speaker 2: and it's not good. So they go in to talk
Speaker 2: to Reese, and Reese is being played by Dreamo Walker,
Speaker 2: perfect name, and she's the per actress from Don't Trust
Speaker 2: the Bee in Apartment twenty three, and so she's just.
Speaker 3: Like, oh, I must have drank too much. My bad.
Speaker 2: And she's like, you know, I went to get water
Speaker 2: and I fell. It's not a big deal. And Rollins
Speaker 2: pushes her, like what about the assault, and there's a
Speaker 2: long pause.
Speaker 3: She says, I don't know what you mean. Clearly this
Speaker 3: is a lie.
Speaker 2: Benson says, the nurse said that you disclosed, and she's
Speaker 2: like stuttering and denying it, and Rollin says Fenn needs
Speaker 2: her and runs off, and then Reese says she feels
Speaker 2: stupid even having come here, and Benson's like, girl, let's
Speaker 2: just start from the beginning.
Speaker 3: What happened.
Speaker 2: The music plays and she says, we had drinks, he
Speaker 2: escorted me to my door, used false pretense to enter.
Speaker 2: While we hear her talk we cut to Rollins walking
Speaker 2: fast and flustered in the halls of the hospital, and
Speaker 2: Drema continues that when she, you know, wanted to sleep,
Speaker 2: it became something else, and Rollin's is teary eyed and
Speaker 2: brushing her hair around, and then it cuts back to
Speaker 2: her talking, so it's like a cut back and forth
Speaker 2: scene and Dreama is like, I can't believe that I'm
Speaker 2: saying these words out loud, and and then she stops
Speaker 2: talking and Benson goes, this will not just go away,
Speaker 2: and she responds, yes, it will, and Benson reminds her
Speaker 2: that they're gonna pull the security footage and find out
Speaker 2: who did this, and she struggles and finally says it
Speaker 2: was my boss, deputy chief patent. So as you see,
Speaker 2: I won't press charges or testify. I cannot. Rollins is
Speaker 2: breathing deep in the hall, and then we go into credits.
Speaker 2: So we're back and it's Act one, and we open
Speaker 2: up on Daddy Dodds and Brows and all, and he
Speaker 2: has shaken up about the whole thing, and he really
Speaker 2: misses homicide. You know a lot of these cops they
Speaker 2: just want a dead victim. They cannot talk to an
Speaker 2: alive woman.
Speaker 1: They're so hysterical, the tears, the mescara, I needed just
Speaker 1: a dead body on the sidewalk, or.
Speaker 3: It's not enough tears and they're lying, you know.
Speaker 2: Benson gives him the scoop, Seaman bruises bite Mark's alcohol,
Speaker 2: you know, the big ones. Finn jumps in that they
Speaker 2: had adjoining rooms, so uh oh that makes it look
Speaker 2: even worse. Gallagher's like, fuck, did she invite him in?
Speaker 2: And Benson's like, no, she allowed him in, not invited.
Speaker 2: There is a big difference, and he's like, are you
Speaker 2: sure it wasn't just like a rough, drunk sex night. Again,
Speaker 2: why is it always a question like why is the
Speaker 2: base not always okay?
Speaker 3: What happened? Let's investigate?
Speaker 2: Yeah, why is it always trying to question the victim,
Speaker 2: who again gains nothing from this at all. Benson goes,
Speaker 2: or it was rape, you know, we're SVU and then
Speaker 2: it's like, wait, Rolin knows him.
Speaker 3: Let's find out what she thinks.
Speaker 2: So we cut tomorrow trying to bond with Rollin's as
Speaker 2: she ignores him and he's like, would your old boss
Speaker 2: do this? And is Blonde credible? She says she wasn't
Speaker 2: there for her disclosure, and then at that moment, Finn
Speaker 2: lets her know Dodds wants to see her, so she
Speaker 2: walks in there as Amaro pouts and like lingers in thought.
Speaker 2: Rollins explains that Patten is very smart and political and
Speaker 2: was her boss for six years and he's been married
Speaker 2: a very long time, and Finn is like, okay, well,
Speaker 2: why wasn't his wife at the convention?
Speaker 3: Then?
Speaker 2: And she's standing there like a kid at the principal's office,
Speaker 2: likes really small and meek and obviously holding something back,
Speaker 2: and she's saying she has not heard anything or is
Speaker 2: privy to his personal life at all, and they're like, okay, listen,
Speaker 2: tell us what we want to know. Is he capable
Speaker 2: of something like this? She's like, you never know what
Speaker 2: people are capable of, and that is a very true statement,
Speaker 2: and then bangs are looking amazing. Her bangs are perfect
Speaker 2: in this scene. So Finn and Rollins walk off as
Speaker 2: Benson and Dodd stay in the office, and she's like,
Speaker 2: I mean this is awkward for her and her loyalties,
Speaker 2: and he's like, well, we should be loyal to him too.
Speaker 3: He is a fellow officer, and it's like, so.
Speaker 2: Is she like I don't understand why we have to
Speaker 2: be careful with him and give him respect because he's
Speaker 2: a police officer, but that's not extended to the young
Speaker 2: woman officer.
Speaker 3: Like it.
Speaker 2: It just pisses me off. I know it's a scripted show,
Speaker 2: but I'm livid. And so he wants to hear from
Speaker 2: him and demands that, like, you know, he'd be the
Speaker 2: one to question him. So it's Hamlin versus Browse, suit
Speaker 2: on suit man to man, and He's like, damn the box, huh,
Speaker 2: and Gallagher's like, come on, you know optics man. So
Speaker 2: then the little dance begins. So Hamlin is very chill,
Speaker 2: he's confident and he's not proud of being a cheater.
Speaker 3: But you know that girl and him were involved.
Speaker 2: They had sex, and he admits it and he claims
Speaker 2: it was consensual, and he's just like we were just wasted.
Speaker 2: And then Eyebrows is like, well guess what, Bob, she
Speaker 2: said it wasn't consensual. And Hamlin's like, well, no, I
Speaker 2: get that. We're in an interrogation room. I'm not a
Speaker 2: fucking idiot. And Gallagher's like, listen, just give me the
Speaker 2: reason she would make this up about you, and Finn
Speaker 2: calls it the good old boy routine while spying, and
Speaker 2: Benson's like, yeah, he's really good at this, and Rollin goes, well,
Speaker 2: so is Patent, So okay. So if any of you
Speaker 2: are confused, Patten is Hamlin and Browse Gallagher is Dodds, so.
Speaker 3: Be intermixed.
Speaker 2: Throughout the episode, a lot of nicknames get used to it.
Speaker 2: So Hamlin says she's really smart and a great detective,
Speaker 2: but he's she's getting back at him for not leaving
Speaker 2: his wife for her, and this is payback. And then
Speaker 2: he suggests that he should talk to her, and Browse
Speaker 2: is like, nice, try Buster, that's obviously against protocol, and
Speaker 2: he asks if this is a setup, and then it
Speaker 2: clicks like and then he gets mad and then looks
Speaker 2: at the mirror and goes, I think Amanda Rollins put
Speaker 2: her and all of you up to this. And it's like, wait, what,
Speaker 2: we're weird? Did this even come from? You're telling on
Speaker 2: yourself here, and he says she has an axe to
Speaker 2: grind and she left Atlanta because she got around and
Speaker 2: she threw herself at him to save her sister. Rollin's
Speaker 2: is pissed but silent. Hamlin tries to leave and tells
Speaker 2: Dodds he better not leave the city and the press
Speaker 2: would get wind of it and then that would look
Speaker 2: really bad. And Hamlin goes, yeah, okay, and next time
Speaker 2: we talk, you'll be talking to my lawyer. Somorrow says,
Speaker 2: don't worry. Nobody would believe a word he says, and
Speaker 2: Rollins is like, well everybody does. Back home, So dramatic
Speaker 2: music plays and Rollins walks off. Finn tries to stop her,
Speaker 2: but she wants to be alone and like get out
Speaker 2: of the office. So we're back at the bar and
Speaker 2: she is drinking and Finn finds her and he's like,
Speaker 2: it took me forever to track you down in Long
Speaker 2: Island City, and I think that's perfect. She obviously lives
Speaker 2: in Long Island City. Like to me, that is where
Speaker 2: she lives. Yeah, if it's like it's not Brooklyn, it's
Speaker 2: a quick, you know, train ride on the seven or
Speaker 2: like right into the city and it's still high rises.
Speaker 2: She is by the water jogging, like I just never
Speaker 2: put it together.
Speaker 3: But I'm obsessed.
Speaker 2: I mean, sometimes I feel like she's running downtown Manhattan.
Speaker 2: Maybe she moved or like she just likes that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, because sometimes the views are of New Jersey.
Speaker 1: I feel like when she's running sometimes like she's on
Speaker 1: the West side, like Esplitade.
Speaker 3: But I could be wrong.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so maybe she runs after work or something. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I just was like she would
Speaker 2: fucking get a luxury building at this time. It wasn't
Speaker 2: that like popular, yet she probably got a deal.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm just like obsessed.
Speaker 2: But she clearly like doesn't want to talk about it,
Speaker 2: and Finn obviously wants her to talk. She says, she too,
Speaker 2: once was Patten's shiny blonde protege, smart and good, his type,
Speaker 2: and it wasn't like that at first, but then her
Speaker 2: sister got arrested and Patton calls her into the office
Speaker 2: and it was like super late and nobody was there,
Speaker 2: and he said that he could make it go away,
Speaker 2: and it was her sister, So she fucking did it.
Speaker 2: I mean, the amount of like problems that Kim Rollins
Speaker 2: has caused an Amanda's life.
Speaker 3: Don't stop. They do not stop.
Speaker 2: They go so far back, and she's just always had
Speaker 2: this little bitches back.
Speaker 3: So Reese is telling the truth.
Speaker 2: Finn asks, we gotta let Barba know but Rollins is
Speaker 2: really hesitant to do that, and Finn is like, he
Speaker 2: needs to know that he's capable of this and that
Speaker 2: he's a predator, and she's like, listen, I'm not going
Speaker 2: to say I was raped. Patton fights dirty and Finn
Speaker 2: is like, well, what about this girl, and Rollin says, well,
Speaker 2: she'll get over it, and it's like, okay, SVU, detective,
Speaker 2: and then she says the girl might be a slut
Speaker 2: and she can go back to Atlanta and pretend like
Speaker 2: nothing happened. And she looks at him and says, let
Speaker 2: it go. And Finn does not like this, and so
Speaker 2: now we quickly cut to a meeting Rollins.
Speaker 3: Did get roped into.
Speaker 2: So Rollin's daddy, Dodds, Barba, and Benson are in a meeting.
Speaker 2: She says that she put herself in a bad position
Speaker 2: and that Patton took advantage of her, but it's on her.
Speaker 2: She will not say that she was raped, but she
Speaker 2: does say she like, off the record, off my personal experience,
Speaker 2: I believe Taymoor is telling the truth.
Speaker 3: So Barbara breathes in.
Speaker 2: Dodds is like, oh no, what do we do, and
Speaker 2: Benson's like, easy, arrest him? But Barba says that Taymoor
Speaker 2: won't testify or come forward, So Rollins is like, I'll
Speaker 2: go fucking talk to her. So she goes to visit Tamore,
Speaker 2: and Taymor is packing and there's a souvenir statue of
Speaker 2: Liberty in her suitcase loose and I just love that,
Speaker 2: Like she always.
Speaker 3: Gonna want to remember this trip to New York.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, she's packing in a rush. So
Speaker 2: Rollins walks in and she's like, oh, the Chief tell
Speaker 2: you to come here to zip me up. I'm zipping
Speaker 2: up and I'm going home, so shut up. And Rollins
Speaker 2: is like, no, I'm here to convince you of the opposite.
Speaker 2: And Dream is like, oh, sure, you just want justice
Speaker 2: for little old me so everyone back home can know
Speaker 2: what happened. She is pissed and she's like, oh, you
Speaker 2: want them to call me a slut just like you,
Speaker 2: And Rollins works her flirty, convincing Southern charm and Dream
Speaker 2: is like, ugh, I knew his reputation, like I try
Speaker 2: dodging all of his touches and advances and so then
Speaker 2: Rollins is surprised and it's like, oh, so you're not
Speaker 2: having an affair no capital n oh. And to me,
Speaker 2: this is so silly, because why would she believe the
Speaker 2: rumors about her if the rumors about Rollins were fake.
Speaker 2: I don't get I don't get that at all. Clicking Yeah,
Speaker 2: So she's disgusted that that's what he's saying, and Captain
Speaker 2: Reynolds just had his back.
Speaker 3: Huh.
Speaker 2: Rollins is like, yeah, he sucks. I turned him down,
Speaker 2: and she's like, you didn't think you were Chief Patten's
Speaker 2: first good girl, And then it all clicks and she's like, damn,
Speaker 2: so everything they said about you and why you left
Speaker 2: isn't true. And we get an impassioned like no from Rollins,
Speaker 2: and then we cut to the Atlanta men eating and
Speaker 2: drinking and probably a midtown like shipbox at like a
Speaker 2: tourist trap, like I just fucking see them walking into
Speaker 2: a restaurant off of forty second.
Speaker 3: Street like so bad.
Speaker 2: And so then Dodd's Finn and Tomorrow interrupts the dinner
Speaker 2: and they're like, you're under arrest for rape, bitch, and
Speaker 2: he gets up, he gives his gun to the captain,
Speaker 2: wipes his mouth with a napkin, throws it on the
Speaker 2: ground aggressively, and also he tells his friends, like, get
Speaker 2: me that big lawyer we met, Get me that lawyer.
Speaker 2: Rollins is walking Franny and you know, super cute. Everything's nice.
Speaker 2: She's in a little beanie ship. Sheeplined brown Sway jacket.
Speaker 2: Very I think Stabler would wear this coat. And then
Speaker 2: a car pulls up. Fuck, who's it gonna be? And
Speaker 2: it's Reynolds. It's the guy from Raw and like the Captain,
Speaker 2: the one under Harry Hamblin. And he tracked her using
Speaker 2: her cell phone. He's like, whatever, I'm a cop. Of
Speaker 2: course I fucking tracked you. Totally normal behavior. But he
Speaker 2: wants her to know that she's making a mistake. Then
Speaker 2: he calls her darling again. He's a true menace. And
Speaker 2: I don't I just like every Southern tradition I'm against fully,
Speaker 2: Like I hate ma'am, I hate darling. I hate everything
Speaker 2: about the South except the food, Like I really just
Speaker 2: hate it. And so he claims that this is just
Speaker 2: payback and it's like shirtloser, and he says, you slept
Speaker 2: with the chief and it backfired and this is what
Speaker 2: you get.
Speaker 3: Get over it. And she says Patton's a liar.
Speaker 2: But you know, obviously the boys stick together, and he
Speaker 2: blames all the blondes for being ambitious. So not only
Speaker 2: are the women's sluts, but they're ambitious, and no one
Speaker 2: loves an ambitious woman. He then keeps getting closer to
Speaker 2: her and is like, yeah, I know you didn't fuck me,
Speaker 2: so you can get to the big boss. I know
Speaker 2: exactly who you are, and you need to chill out.
Speaker 2: And he keeps walking closer to her, and so she
Speaker 2: needs him in his dick and he falls to the
Speaker 2: ground and he calls her a bitch, and she says,
Speaker 2: why don't you go tell your wife? I say, hello,
Speaker 2: that's another thing. They're all fucking married. Yeah, okay. So
Speaker 2: then we cut to another running scene. I mean, I
Speaker 2: guess when you have a pet, you got to just
Speaker 2: keep walking and running. So and she needs to run
Speaker 2: all the time to prep for all her Central Park
Speaker 2: undercover running work. She like has to be in the
Speaker 2: most shape of any of the other police officers. So
Speaker 2: she's running, but this time she's wearing an olive colored beanie,
Speaker 2: so she I can't you know, I wonder how big
Speaker 2: her extensive her beanie collection is. Barba now runs behind
Speaker 2: her like he really pops out of nowhere, and they're
Speaker 2: dressed like Julia Louis Dreyfus in was it David d
Speaker 2: company in Christmas Vacation? They're like that couple. Like they're
Speaker 2: dressed like that Hargo. So they're dressed like athletic like
Speaker 2: and have you seen there's like this famous maybe it's
Speaker 2: not famous, but it's like these two really thin greyhounds
Speaker 2: and they're wearing winterwear. No, I mean all greyhounds are
Speaker 2: very thin, but it's like these like beautifully dressed greyhounds.
Speaker 2: And the tweet was like the they look like every
Speaker 2: villain in a movie.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, that's cute.
Speaker 1: Oh wait, David d'akovny is not in Christmas Vacation. That's
Speaker 1: somebody else who has like slick back care.
Speaker 3: You're right, I was.
Speaker 1: Thinking of David d'acovney. And don't tell mom the babysitter's dead.
Speaker 3: Isn't that him? Oh?
Speaker 2: And maybe it was in Beethoven? He plays the David
Speaker 2: Ducopany is in Beethoven?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Is he the the air freshener guy or no. We'll
Speaker 2: post the photo of the dogs as a side by
Speaker 2: side with Barbara and Rollins running and you will see
Speaker 2: they look identical David d'acovney.
Speaker 1: David Dukovney is the guy I was thinking of from
Speaker 1: Don't Tell Mom the Babysitters Dead.
Speaker 3: By the way, he is a that too. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So basically the whole point of all of these asides
Speaker 2: is that they look athletic and they're running, and they
Speaker 2: look funny and evil. Okay, and we have to move on.
Speaker 2: But he's like, slow down, like he cannot keep up
Speaker 2: with rollins. And she's in a bad mood and he
Speaker 2: threatens a subpoena and she's like, I'm not fucking talking
Speaker 2: and he's like, no, if you're not my witness, and
Speaker 2: defense is gonna call you up and you're gonna be
Speaker 2: their witness, and they're accusing you of revenge. She's like,
Speaker 2: I'm move And to me, I was like, she moved,
Speaker 2: leave her alone, Like how are you still doing this?
Speaker 2: Like she fucking left, she left, she left town. She's quiet,
Speaker 2: she's not saying anything, like why would she be doing revenge?
Speaker 2: She got up and left. Leave her alone. You came
Speaker 2: to do a conference in her city. She solved your
Speaker 2: fucking crimes. Like, itses me off, So she runs off.
Speaker 2: She you know, she smokes Barba.
Speaker 3: So guess what. Guess who Hamblin hired. It's Buchanan.
Speaker 2: And they're eating at an empty restaurant and not empty
Speaker 2: in the way of like oh it's shitty, but empty,
Speaker 2: and like, oh, they came here early because that like
Speaker 2: we're so important, like that they got open earlier, like
Speaker 2: while the staff is, you know, opening up.
Speaker 3: Because I always think about.
Speaker 2: When Anne Hathaway got that steak from Miranda Priestley, you know,
Speaker 2: like it was before the restaurant opened, and I think,
Speaker 2: just important people, you can get a steak whenever you want, Okay.
Speaker 2: So Buchanan's trying to make a deal with Barbara and Dodds,
Speaker 2: and Dodds is there's a courtesy for the NYPD, and
Speaker 2: you know, he's like, we're not going to treat your
Speaker 2: Atlanta asses nicely, and Buchanan's like, shut up. This is
Speaker 2: why you have lawyers. Let us work, like, we don't
Speaker 2: need you to talk. And so they do some law
Speaker 2: mortal combat. They keep calling her, they keep calling her
Speaker 2: ambitious and tipsy, the two worst things the woman can be.
Speaker 2: And maybe that's merged. That's merch ambitious and tipsy.
Speaker 3: Baby mer I write it down.
Speaker 2: I'm putting it in my note, in my notes, in
Speaker 2: my notes article, what is it?
Speaker 3: Notes?
Speaker 2: App you guys, tell us if you would buy Ambitious
Speaker 2: and Tipsy, should it be koozies?
Speaker 3: Is it a koozie? Ah?
Speaker 2: So Buchanan makes it seem like Hamlin is the victim
Speaker 2: because his wife is mad at him, but Barba's like,
Speaker 2: I truly don't care about him or his wife. I'm
Speaker 2: not dismissing. And rape is a felony, so unless it's
Speaker 2: sexual abuse. Three, we're not talking. Hamlin threatens him like, okay, boy,
Speaker 2: we'll see when one of you city slickers is down
Speaker 2: in Atlanta and Hamlin calls Barba a Spanish dandy.
Speaker 1: I mean, we're getting the idea that this man is
Speaker 1: not only a rapist, but he is racist as well.
Speaker 3: Wow, so add that on there. Hey, what is a dandy?
Speaker 2: Though? I love that. That's like a cute name too.
Speaker 2: I hope it's not a slur in itself.
Speaker 3: A dandy is like, well, I feel like it's like a.
Speaker 1: It's like a guy who's very like neat and put
Speaker 1: together and has style. It's like, I feel like what
Speaker 1: we used to call a metrosexual. It used to be
Speaker 1: called a dandy. But now you can't say metrosexual. You
Speaker 1: shouldn't say metrosexual either, that's like bad.
Speaker 3: But it's like, you know.
Speaker 1: A guy that's like into his looks and like his style.
Speaker 3: Stylish man?
Speaker 2: Really yeah, someone that cleans their butt, that's that's the
Speaker 2: whole thing. So it gets this all gets serious after
Speaker 2: the Spanish Spanish of dandy comment obviously yeah, and he
Speaker 2: says recent rollins wanted to fuck him and that's that.
Speaker 2: And Barba is sickened by this man, and Dods is
Speaker 2: pissed he wasted his time, and Buchanan's like, okay, come on,
Speaker 2: how about a selt three? No registry, no time, Like
Speaker 2: what in your dreams? So fuck off? You know, things
Speaker 2: don't work out, and then Barba leaves, but before he leaves,
Speaker 2: he speaks Spanish right at Hamlin and we're in court
Speaker 2: with Barbara chatting up Benson who's on the stand and
Speaker 2: she's giving them just facts, and then they panned to
Speaker 2: the camera to Hamlin and holy shit, behind him is
Speaker 2: his wife, Queen Becky and Baker. She is also in
Speaker 2: the season four episode Mom. She's a mom in the
Speaker 2: episode Juvenile, which is one of the ones that haunts
Speaker 2: me forever where she makes the wrong call and doesn't
Speaker 2: agree to a deal, and so then her son is
Speaker 2: actually charged as an adult and gets life in prison,
Speaker 2: but the little boy, who is underage who actually stabbed
Speaker 2: and killed the woman is a miner and he gets
Speaker 2: less time, and she like screams in the courtroom and
Speaker 2: like they're.
Speaker 3: Like, please take the deal.
Speaker 2: I think it was Eleana Douglas is like please, and
Speaker 2: she's like no, no, they'll believe my son, and.
Speaker 3: It's like gripping.
Speaker 2: But she's also the mom of Lena Dunnaman Girls. Obviously,
Speaker 2: she's the mom from Freaks and Geeks. I fucking love her,
Speaker 2: and she's a Miranda's sister in the funeral episode of
Speaker 2: Sex and the City and she gives birth to an
Speaker 2: alien in the back of the car and men in Black.
Speaker 3: So wow, we stand in a career. We love her.
Speaker 2: I'm obsessed, and I guess we got to see if
Speaker 2: the other episode's based on a crime, and fucking get
Speaker 2: Becky and Baker here immediately because I do not want
Speaker 2: to live another day without knowing she's on our schedule.
Speaker 3: So now we're back.
Speaker 2: But shockingly, Buchanan has no questions for Benson chucked. Hamlin
Speaker 2: and Baker keep making eye contact, and she's standing by
Speaker 2: her man, and Rollin's is in the hallway with Finn,
Speaker 2: who's surprised she came. And Tomorrow's there too, and he
Speaker 2: fucking hates He's like, Hamlin keeps looking at his wife,
Speaker 2: this slicks and then Finn is like, straight up, it's like,
Speaker 2: I hate this smug prick. Rollin's is like, oh, Vivian's here,
Speaker 2: and she's right behind her, Hi, Amanda, And so they
Speaker 2: chat and she's being Southern nice, very polite, but I
Speaker 2: don't trust it. I don't trust her at all, and
Speaker 2: I'm like waiting for the shade to start. So she
Speaker 2: asks about her mom and sister, and Rollins gives like mean,
Speaker 2: fake sweet Southern vibes right back to her, like, oh,
Speaker 2: that was so sweet of you to ask with everything
Speaker 2: you got going on. And I feel like Rollin's like
Speaker 2: ups Southern accent to and like she yeah wants And
Speaker 2: then Vivian's like me, no, I'm blessed, and she goes
Speaker 2: everyone back home knows what a great man Charlie is
Speaker 2: and we have their full support. She goes, oh, well,
Speaker 2: there's my man now, and so she walks off, and
Speaker 2: I like love this exchange so much because it gives nothing,
Speaker 2: but it gives everything. You know, everything is like secret
Speaker 2: and undercover. So now dream is on the stand, and
Speaker 2: I'm not looking forward to what Buchanan is going to
Speaker 2: try to do. So she's getting some barber time. She's
Speaker 2: describing the professional relationship she has with Harry Hamlin and
Speaker 2: what happened that night in the adjoining rooms. So he
Speaker 2: told her that his cell phone demagnetized the key card.
Speaker 2: Now does that happen anymore? I feel like that's not
Speaker 2: an issue anymore.
Speaker 3: It hasn't happened to me in a long time.
Speaker 1: I always feel like I try to keep it away
Speaker 1: from my credit cards too, Like I don't know, I
Speaker 1: just don't think it's just a while, No, I think,
Speaker 1: but I don't know what technology has changed or not,
Speaker 1: But I just don't find it an issue anymore. Let
Speaker 1: us to know if you've recently had an issue getting
Speaker 1: into a hotel after a touch to something, because I
Speaker 1: think technology has advanced. So basically, he's like, fuck, my
Speaker 1: card's not working. I don't want to go down to
Speaker 1: the front desk. Can I just use your room and
Speaker 1: then use the adjoining doors, and my brain immediately because
Speaker 1: we sometimes have adjoining doors and he needs to be unlocked,
Speaker 1: like you can't just get it. That would be psychotic if.
Speaker 2: You could just go in between hotel room doors like
Speaker 2: it's only murders in the building, like a fun little caper,
Speaker 2: like it's ano.
Speaker 3: They're fully dead bolted from inside the room.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's where my little detective brain went, so
Speaker 2: you know, we'll keep going. So then he went inside
Speaker 2: and he suggested room service and she's like, oh, actually,
Speaker 2: food sounds nice, but he ordered champagne and she didn't
Speaker 2: want to be rude, so she had one glass and
Speaker 2: then he kissed her. She pulled away and she's like, ew,
Speaker 2: you're married, and he said, don't you know by now?
Speaker 2: I don't take no for an answer. Then he pushed
Speaker 2: her down on the bed, bit her lip. She said, no,
Speaker 2: don't do this. He slapped her and she was so stunned,
Speaker 2: and then he raped her and she said that He
Speaker 2: finished and told her to clean herself off for the
Speaker 2: conference tomorrow, and then went to his room sicko. And
Speaker 2: they cut to Benson, who smiles and nods her head
Speaker 2: in understanding disgust, like this motherfucker, and so she Taymoor continues,
Speaker 2: I coul keep wanting to call her Julie's anymore. It's Reese, Reese, Reese,
Speaker 2: not Witherspoon. And I want to call her Dreama. But
Speaker 2: this is like dramatic, I don't know. So she was
Speaker 2: embarrassed and ashamed, and she finished the champagne and passed
Speaker 2: out and then she fell in the bathroom and that's like,
Speaker 2: you know, the hospital and Benson and the nurse, and
Speaker 2: that's when you know, we we're caught up now. And
Speaker 2: she didn't want to cooperate because she was scared for
Speaker 2: her career and that it would be over and that
Speaker 2: nobody would believe her. But what he did is a crime,
Speaker 2: and she had to do something so it doesn't happen
Speaker 2: to someone else. She wouldn't want that on her conscience.
Speaker 2: And they immediately like cut to Rollins, and this is
Speaker 2: like Bravo style editing, like this is so shady, where
Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, I would never say that, and then
Speaker 2: you just cut to the bitch lying, so it's like
Speaker 2: you know, and Rolins is ashamed and she lowers her
Speaker 2: head and maybe you know it sucks. It really sucks
Speaker 2: that now she has that kind of guilt on her
Speaker 2: as well. So Barba's done, and now Buchanan has to
Speaker 2: go make us sick. So right away he is like,
Speaker 2: you're saying you and Paton were never romantic before, and
Speaker 2: she yells no, and he's obviously going to try to
Speaker 2: spin this. So he's like, well, you drink, and then
Speaker 2: you were at the same conference and you were on
Speaker 2: the same flight, so obviously you wanted to get raped.
Speaker 2: Obviously the evidence, I mean, you were on the same flight.
Speaker 2: So he then shames her for not yelling or fighting
Speaker 2: and that she doesn't have defensive wounds, and she understandably says,
Speaker 2: I froze, And now he shames her that, you know,
Speaker 2: why don't you call the cops faster? And it's like,
Speaker 2: why are you wanting people to call the cops? So
Speaker 2: they just not believe her sooner. It's not like that's
Speaker 2: the other thing with this timeline stuff, like you're not
Speaker 2: whether it's a day or seven days, it doesn't it
Speaker 2: doesn't seem like the believing because what if she was
Speaker 2: still drunk that morning, what if her breath allies? You know,
Speaker 2: like there's always a reason not to believe a woman.
Speaker 2: So then he's like, you're an SVU detective, how would
Speaker 2: you act towards an a drunk, lying slut like you?
Speaker 2: She's like, I would try to be understanding. So he's
Speaker 2: bending down into her and like trying to fuck with her,
Speaker 2: and all the detectives' faces are like, fuck, we're fucked.
Speaker 2: What's gonna happen? And so now Rollin's and Tamor have
Speaker 2: a little run in the bathroom. This is like a
Speaker 2: really intense day for Rollins. So many, so many run ins,
Speaker 2: and Reese's pissed AND's like, bitch, you convinced me to
Speaker 2: testify and you're not taking the stand. So Roninds knows
Speaker 2: she got got and she looks at her hypocrite face
Speaker 2: in the mirror with shame. And so now she's on
Speaker 2: the stand and she explains the situation, what went down
Speaker 2: with her sister and that led to prep you know,
Speaker 2: Pattent's creepy, creepy behavior.
Speaker 3: And then we pull away and it's not court.
Speaker 2: She's not on the sand, she's on the stand, but
Speaker 2: it's an empty courtroom. She's practicing with Barba, and she's annoyed.
Speaker 2: She even has to practice because she knows the judge
Speaker 2: isn't even gonna allow this. But she fidgets and she
Speaker 2: starts talking again, and Barba's like, listen, we have to
Speaker 2: do it just in case. So then he's listening to
Speaker 2: her talk, and he's getting upset listening as well. And
Speaker 2: so she mentions the biting the drunk motel night, and
Speaker 2: then he binged like her head against the headboard and
Speaker 2: she was bleeding, and she tried to get up, and
Speaker 2: he said, Amanda, you know I don't take no for
Speaker 2: an answer, and Barbara asked her gently to like keep talking,
Speaker 2: and she says that he pinned her wrists above her
Speaker 2: head and told her she wasn't going anywhere and that
Speaker 2: nobody would believe her anyways, so she just gave up
Speaker 2: and she's looking down and she then says that he
Speaker 2: raped me. And she says this all with her eyes closed,
Speaker 2: and then she looks up to Barbara sh Uggs and
Speaker 2: as tears well up in her eyes. Buchanan and Hamlin
Speaker 2: are like, that little bitch. I can't believe she's trying
Speaker 2: to do this. And the judge and the lawyers strut
Speaker 2: on over to the bench and Buchanan objects to the
Speaker 2: witness obviously, and Barbara's like, okay, but like, we can
Speaker 2: let her speak to pattern, but the judge unfortunately says no,
Speaker 2: that Rollins cannot testify. So the prosecution rests, and unfortunately
Speaker 2: they have no more witnesses, and once we return for Mauricas,
Speaker 2: the defense witnesses can begin. Rollins is in the hallway
Speaker 2: and she's pissed, and Barbara's like, we knew it was
Speaker 2: going to be a long shot. Come on, and She's
Speaker 2: like that was so fucking traumatic. And Benson's like, okay,
Speaker 2: so what next. And Barbara's like, listen, I'll get his ass.
Speaker 2: Do not worry. It's a he said, she said, and
Speaker 2: I'll make him fucking say something. Rollins looks nervous, but
Speaker 2: there's nothing else she can do. So he's on the stand,
Speaker 2: Harry Hamlin, and he says that the only true victim
Speaker 2: in all this is his wife, and they cut to
Speaker 2: her poofy s eighties hairdoo and she has a yellow
Speaker 2: blazer with a white flower pin. I mean, she is
Speaker 2: so Georgia and he was just flattered. He said that
Speaker 2: a young girl even wanted to fuck him, and so
Speaker 2: he's very sorry to the police, and his wife is
Speaker 2: so good and she's incredible, and I feel so bad,
Speaker 2: but as God is my witness, it was consensual and
Speaker 2: that he would never harm a woman. So Buchanan, let's
Speaker 2: you know, lets him off easy with all this fucking lies.
Speaker 2: Barba's turn, so it's like, get him, you know what's
Speaker 2: gonna happen. So he's like, okay, so you were a
Speaker 2: mentor and then there was an affair and he says,
Speaker 2: I'm not proud of that, and Barbara goes okay. So
Speaker 2: everything was going fine, right, so why would she come
Speaker 2: to New York to cry rape? And he's like, well,
Speaker 2: there's a reason she's angry that I'm not going to
Speaker 2: leave my wife, and Barbara goes okay, fine, hmm, well
Speaker 2: you said you never heard a woman. Does that include
Speaker 2: other blonde subordinates? Objection sustained. Oh. He then is happy
Speaker 2: to name her and says, oh, you mean Rollin's or
Speaker 2: even that other girl.
Speaker 3: I didn't do.
Speaker 2: It to them, and Buchanan's like, oh shit, you idiot
Speaker 2: it because it's like you just named all these people,
Speaker 2: like I mean, Barbara is so good, so it's like
Speaker 2: you're fucking telling on yourself. He didn't he didn't say anything,
Speaker 2: so and then he continues to tell on himself and
Speaker 2: he goes, any of them, none of that, Like he
Speaker 2: keeps just being like, millions of women are lying.
Speaker 3: It's just really silly.
Speaker 2: But he goes, that's just what they say when they
Speaker 2: don't get what they want. And Buchanan, you can see,
Speaker 2: is like fuck fuck fuck, like I am fucked.
Speaker 3: And the judge.
Speaker 2: Suddenly strikes you know, this chunk from the record though,
Speaker 2: and I guess that question was not okay. So he's like, okay, fine,
Speaker 2: let's chat conference. Why didn't you bring your wife to
Speaker 2: New York? And he's like, New York in January yuck.
Speaker 2: But also, I have not seen the level of outerwear
Speaker 2: that you need when it's January and New York.
Speaker 3: They especially if you're Rolins and that's your thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just felt like their coats were very November like,
Speaker 2: not January. But you know, he goes listen and it's
Speaker 2: all business anyways, and Barbara pushes, oh business really at
Speaker 2: one am drunk with a clearly drunk like Taymar He's like,
Speaker 2: I mean we were networking, and so he's like, but
Speaker 2: your key card didn't work and he starts to feel
Speaker 2: pain in his arm, and so maybe he's gonna fake
Speaker 2: a stroke. We don't really know, but he's like, you know,
Speaker 2: rubbing his arm and we're about to have an Elwood's moment.
Speaker 2: So Barb I love this. I mean I like pump
Speaker 2: my fist in the air after this moment. So Barbara's like, well,
Speaker 2: if you're having an affair, then why the key card?
Speaker 3: Ruse, Why if.
Speaker 2: You're having an affair and she's into it, why aren't
Speaker 2: you making it out in the hall? Like why would
Speaker 2: you have to lie about the key card? It's just
Speaker 2: such a good point. It's like uugh. So he's like,
Speaker 2: the point of adjoining rooms is you enter separate and
Speaker 2: meet in the middle like hello, And Hamlin is just
Speaker 2: like stuttering and stammering, and the camera is shaking and
Speaker 2: he's like uh uh uh, and he's rubbing his arm
Speaker 2: harder and now he starts coughing, and Barbara's just like
Speaker 2: slammed dunk baby, and he goes and how did you
Speaker 2: know your side of the adjoining room was gonna be open?
Speaker 2: So that's something I thought of also Detective Trigger's question.
Speaker 3: So this is amazing. Yeah, if you're having an affair.
Speaker 2: The whole point of joining rooms is you enter in
Speaker 2: your own rooms secretly, so no one can tell that
Speaker 2: you're having an affair. So it's like he's just an idiot.
Speaker 2: He fucking planned a raper, he planned all of this.
Speaker 2: Barbara is getting him and I am just like what
Speaker 2: is hell? I'm like obsessed. So then Hamlin then goes,
Speaker 2: you son of a bitch, as he's like like coughing.
Speaker 2: The subtitle said hacking, so he is hacking, not just
Speaker 2: a chill you know, cough. So it's like a full
Speaker 2: heart attack by bitch. Rollins looks annoyed, and we're in
Speaker 2: Benson's office with a knock knock from Amanda. He did
Speaker 2: not have a heart attack. Benson fills Rollins in that
Speaker 2: it was an anxiety attack. So fuck, what's gonna happen
Speaker 2: to the trial? Nobody knows, but of course Benson wants
Speaker 2: to talk, have a heart to heart. So Benson is
Speaker 2: begging Rollins to deal with all this, and she explains like,
Speaker 2: you're gonna stay trapped and stuck, and this is like
Speaker 2: an opportunity to free yourself. Collins responds, You're only as
Speaker 2: sick as your secrets, and the secret is out, so
Speaker 2: I'll be fine. Benson just wants her to have compassion
Speaker 2: for her younger self, and Rollins begins like her eyes
Speaker 2: begin to water and she's having a hard time not
Speaker 2: blaming herself, and Benson is frustrated. And then a call
Speaker 2: back to an insult Rollin's flung in her in another
Speaker 2: episode and she's like, I know you think therapy is
Speaker 2: paying for someone to hear you talk, and it is.
Speaker 2: That's actually one hundred percent the definition. I don't even
Speaker 2: know how that's an I mean, it was insulting the
Speaker 2: way Rollins said it to her, but it is the truth.
Speaker 2: But Rollin's is sorry and she's like, oh, sorry about that,
Speaker 2: and she's like, we'll make it up to me and
Speaker 2: see my therapist. And she's like, I'm not seeing your therapists,
Speaker 2: which I agree with, but Benson already knows that. And
Speaker 2: she's like, no, it's for a referral. He has space today,
Speaker 2: not a good sign your therapist should be booked. But
Speaker 2: she takes the card and walks off. Benson is flipping
Speaker 2: through a magazine and on a couch, gripping a pillow,
Speaker 2: and she's at an MD's office. We see like the
Speaker 2: nameplate on the door, so so exciting. She I only
Speaker 2: went to the appointment. She's gonna see this therapist, get
Speaker 2: a referral. Nope, she runs off. Haha, did I get you?
Speaker 2: So while she's running off, construction workers heckle her as
Speaker 2: she cries walking and they're.
Speaker 3: Just like, ah, what are you doing?
Speaker 2: Smile and it's like she's crying, like it's just people
Speaker 2: are so sick. And so Buchanan is out there making
Speaker 2: money trying to say that Hamlin's health is like you know,
Speaker 2: it's not right and whatever, and I'm like, whatever, fuck
Speaker 2: this little bitch boy, But like, what are we going
Speaker 2: to do at the trial? And Barba's like, I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: anxiety is not health related, Like you can go back
Speaker 2: to trial, and Buchanan's like, how about we just plead
Speaker 2: to sexual abuse in the third degree. He will go
Speaker 2: on the registry, which I think is important, and then
Speaker 2: it's probation, community service but no jail time and he
Speaker 2: gets to retire first. And Benson's like, oh yeah, sure,
Speaker 2: so he can still get his pension. And Buchanan's like,
Speaker 2: I mean, won't somebody think of his wife? And so
Speaker 2: they're framing it like he just needs money for his wife.
Speaker 2: But whatever, the registry is like pretty import I think,
Speaker 2: and like not and having to retire, everyone's gonna know,
Speaker 2: like I bet all his guys are still gonna believe
Speaker 2: him though, Like I bet they're still gonna be like, oh,
Speaker 2: those ambitious, tipsy women. Yeah, and so he can never
Speaker 2: work in law enforcement again. And he agrees silently, but
Speaker 2: that's not enough, and Barbara pushes and goes, you need
Speaker 2: to alocute and court what you did, and he answers fine,
Speaker 2: like as he like if he has a choice, and
Speaker 2: I love a defeated man, So we had to allocution time.
Speaker 2: Our squad watches him with dreama and you know, so
Speaker 2: he has to say he's guilty. So then the judges like,
Speaker 2: do you have anything to say? Would you like to
Speaker 2: say anything to the people you're victims? And he looks
Speaker 2: at them, so he like looks at fucking Rollins and
Speaker 2: Reese and like stares at them and goes turns back
Speaker 2: to the judge and goes, no, your honor, still a
Speaker 2: fucking dick. And finally finally they're wearing coats. Finally they're
Speaker 2: warm enough, and Amorrow's like, he plays this guy. I
Speaker 2: don't know Amorrow's annoying, but he goes he Amorro's he goes,
Speaker 2: what the fuck, no jail time, and Fin's like, at
Speaker 2: least he's on the registry and I'm fit in this situation.
Speaker 2: And then Rollins goes, at least it's over, and Tomorrow
Speaker 2: is like, yeah, I heard you. I hope you take
Speaker 2: some time off, and she goes, yeah, I need, I
Speaker 2: do need to take some time off. So she walks off,
Speaker 2: separate from the boys, wind in her hair, a very
Speaker 2: crisp day and she walks and I thought she was
Speaker 2: gonna go gamble, So I'm glad it's just a walk. Yeah,
Speaker 2: best case scenario for Rolla. She doesn't head to Atlantic City.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's the episode, guys, A real good one. We
Speaker 2: get you another episode of Harry hi on another episode
Speaker 2: where the NYPD intimately interfaces with another state's police departments.
Speaker 2: So always like, let's seem up with Chicago Atlanta. All right,
Speaker 2: Well the true crime is a ride and well you're
Speaker 2: about to you're in for it, just hold on, Okay,
Speaker 2: So look, we go to a lot of different resources
Speaker 2: to fill out our spreadsheet on like what these crimes
Speaker 2: are based on? And like when we first started the podcast,
Speaker 2: like I found some lists, I found a list in
Speaker 2: a book, I found lists online. There's a very very
Speaker 2: one that we were referenced all the time. The SVU
Speaker 2: fandom has like.
Speaker 1: Very more updated links to what people think the crime is.
Speaker 1: For this one, we had it listed as the Russell
Speaker 1: Williams crime. As I'm looking at it, it seems very
Speaker 1: tenuously connected, but it's not connected to any other Law
Speaker 1: and Order SVU episodes, and it is a wild fucking crime.
Speaker 1: So we're just covering it. I'm sorry if it's not
Speaker 1: if it doesn't match up exactly, but I think it's
Speaker 1: worth it. So this is a Canadian joint. This happens
Speaker 1: in Canada. Shout out to all our Canadian listeners. You
Speaker 1: guys have a lot of serial killers up there. So
Speaker 1: this crime is so much worse than what television writers
Speaker 1: put together in a room, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Like, it's so much more out of control.
Speaker 1: So January twenty eighth of twenty ten, a twenty seven
Speaker 1: year old named Jessica Lloyd vanishes from her home in Belleville, Ontario, Canada.
Speaker 1: The police find tire tracks in the snow near her home,
Speaker 1: and the Ontario Provincial Police AKAOPP Yeah you know them,
Speaker 1: did a canvas of all the people using the highway
Speaker 1: near her home on the night of her disappearance. David
Speaker 1: Russell Williams, heretofore referenced as Russell Williams, I guess that's
Speaker 1: what he went by, was a colonel in the Royal
Speaker 1: Canadian Air Force. He was a decorated officer who had
Speaker 1: flown VIP flights for the Queen, Prince Philip, the Governor General,
Speaker 1: and the Prime Minister. He had a top secret security clearance.
Speaker 1: He months before this had been sworn in as CFB
Speaker 1: Trenton's wing Commander in charge of Canada's largest and most
Speaker 1: important military air base. So on the day of this
Speaker 1: these tracks being found, he's actually driving his Nissan Pathfinder
Speaker 1: instead of his usual BMW and another officer happened to
Speaker 1: notice the resemblance of his treads when they were doing
Speaker 1: this canvas to the ones that they found near Lloyd's home.
Speaker 3: So about a.
Speaker 1: Week later, February seventh, a week after she disappears, Ottawa
Speaker 1: Police call Williams and ask him to come in for questioning.
Speaker 1: They start questioning him at three pm and by seven
Speaker 1: forty five. This motherfucker is spilling his guts. Like truly
Speaker 1: took him four hours, less than five hours to just
Speaker 1: confess to everything, and all they had.
Speaker 3: Were tire treads. Are those like fingerprints?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 1: Is there only one Nissan Pathfinder in Ontario? It's like
Speaker 1: very confusing to me. I know the last couple crimes
Speaker 1: I've been like, go to trial, see what happens.
Speaker 3: You're not gonna get caught.
Speaker 1: But like I, this guy confesses everything based on these
Speaker 1: tire tracks. So he confesses to a ton of wild crimes,
Speaker 1: breaking and entering and sexual assault. He told police where
Speaker 1: they could find evidence hidden in his house, trophies from
Speaker 1: his crimes, as well as photographs taken of his victims
Speaker 1: and pictures of him posing in their underwear.
Speaker 3: So he didn't have a canon as a lawyer. He
Speaker 3: just he did not have. Buchanists started chatting up a storm.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you think there's a Canadian Buchanan. I don't
Speaker 1: feel like Canadian people are so nice. Buchanan's so cut throat.
Speaker 1: I know a couple of cuns from Canada.
Speaker 2: Don't worry.
Speaker 3: Canadian cuns another piece of merch. Okay, this is just
Speaker 3: so wild.
Speaker 1: So he told them what he did with Jessica's body,
Speaker 1: which they found the next morning. And basically what happened
Speaker 1: was the day before she died, Williams saw her on
Speaker 1: a treadmill through her home window. So he just saw her.
Speaker 1: She wasn't even out on the streets. She was in
Speaker 1: the privacy of her own home.
Speaker 3: Wait, have you seen the movie?
Speaker 2: It's like Julia Roberts and mel Gibson.
Speaker 3: They've been in a couple together, is it.
Speaker 2: It's the one where she's running on a treadmill in
Speaker 2: her home and he's watching her.
Speaker 3: That's why I thought of it. Wait, what is it
Speaker 3: called that movie?
Speaker 1: It's like secrets or it's like conspiracy or uh conspiracy theory. Yes, okay,
Speaker 1: I knew. I was like, it has the word conspiracy.
Speaker 1: Oh is that like a thriller?
Speaker 2: Yeah, nineties thriller. Baby, that was a time to be alive.
Speaker 2: That was a time.
Speaker 1: Well, Julia Roberts sleeping with the enemy. She had a
Speaker 1: couple of those scary ones and then she went. Then
Speaker 1: she was all rom golm. So he sees her on
Speaker 1: her fucking treadmill. The next day, she sends a text
Speaker 1: to a friend and that's the last anyone hears from her,
Speaker 1: because what happened was the next day he waited in
Speaker 1: her backyard for her to fall asleep. He breaks into
Speaker 1: her bedroom, bounds like binds her, forces her to get
Speaker 1: into lingerie, and then takes pictures of her, and then
Speaker 1: sexually assaults her, and he takes the entire thing, tapes
Speaker 1: the whole thing. Hours into the assault, he drives her
Speaker 1: to his home where she has a seizure, and then
Speaker 1: she begs him to take her to the hospital. She says,
Speaker 1: if I die, will you make sure that my mom
Speaker 1: knows that I love her? And then he gives her
Speaker 1: some fruit and continues his attack on her. Then he
Speaker 1: dresses her and starts to walk her away from the
Speaker 1: house like he's gonna let her go, and instead he
Speaker 1: hits her on the head with a flashlight and strangles
Speaker 1: her to.
Speaker 3: Death, like sick fucking fuck.
Speaker 1: So he also confesses to another murder, which happened two
Speaker 1: or three months earlier in November, to he murdered Corporal
Speaker 1: Marie Franz Como, who was under his command at the
Speaker 1: CFB Trenton. So one victim he knew, another victim he
Speaker 1: just stalked and found. So this guy's emma was like
Speaker 1: all over the place. They had only met once and
Speaker 1: she had mentioned that she lived alone in that one conversation.
Speaker 1: So that November he broke into her house took photos
Speaker 1: of himself wearing her lingerie and underwear. Then a week
Speaker 1: later she gets home and goes looking for her cat
Speaker 1: around the house and she finds Williams wearing a mask
Speaker 1: and hiding behind her furnace. He's got a bag full
Speaker 1: of plastic zip ties, a camera, duct tape, and a flashlight.
Speaker 2: Oh, we just found zip ties. We were doing a
Speaker 2: photo shoot. I'm sure you've seen some of the Pictsuretti,
Speaker 2: but we wanted to like, oh, what could look like
Speaker 2: a crime. And then in the middle of this college
Speaker 2: campus we find zip ties, rope and tape.
Speaker 3: And then nearby on a tree there was caution tape.
Speaker 2: Wild Maybe it's one of those student films for MESV
Speaker 2: or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Rosemary's Bridesmaid or whatever.
Speaker 2: And I could not believe the pile of zipize zip ties.
Speaker 2: Is there any good use for a zip tie? It
Speaker 2: seems always fine?
Speaker 3: No, No.
Speaker 1: A lot of times like zip ties are like holding
Speaker 1: planks of wood together when you like get furniture or whatever, Like,
Speaker 1: if you get furniture delivered, it's like, oh, cut the
Speaker 1: zip tie, like but yeah, like I have a zip
Speaker 1: tie that holds my shelf to the walls so it
Speaker 1: doesn't fall on my children, but like, yeah, in general,
Speaker 1: I think of them as just like horrific basically plastic handcuffs.
Speaker 1: But he also had with him a flashlight, which, much
Speaker 1: like he does later with Jessica, he smacks her on
Speaker 1: the head with it. Then he drags her upstairs assaults
Speaker 1: her for several hours. She pleads for her life. He
Speaker 1: records the whole thing on camera. Again, she says to him,
Speaker 1: You're going to kill me, aren't you? And then she says,
Speaker 1: have a heart please, I want to live. Instead, he
Speaker 1: covers her mouth and nose with duct tape and she
Speaker 1: suffocates to death again a different mo though than the strangling,
Speaker 1: And he also took more photos than after she was dead.
Speaker 1: Before he left her house Mrie Franz's house, he bleaches
Speaker 1: her sheets, covered her with a duvet, and then took
Speaker 1: several pieces of her underwear and lingerie. And her boyfriend
Speaker 1: later found her body. So not only has he been
Speaker 1: accused of these two murders, so that he has confessed to.
Speaker 1: He also confesses to breaking and endering forcable confinement and
Speaker 1: sexual assault of two women in connection with two separate
Speaker 1: home invasions from the previous year. He had just entered
Speaker 1: these women's houses, tied them up, had non penetrative sexual
Speaker 1: assault on them, is what they kept saying in all
Speaker 1: of these things, because they were talking about how he escalates,
Speaker 1: because he went from like penetrative to non penetrative assault.
Speaker 3: But he took photos of them.
Speaker 1: One of the women had her baby in the house
Speaker 1: with her when the attack happened, which is like so horrific,
Speaker 1: but I mean also just generally horrific. He also is
Speaker 1: accused of executing eighty two fetish related home invasions and
Speaker 1: attempted break ins between September of seven and November of nine.
Speaker 3: Like right before the murder.
Speaker 1: So he just is like running into people's houses and
Speaker 1: like grabbing underwear, taking photos of himself in the underwear.
Speaker 3: Blah blah blah. So I'll just say this.
Speaker 1: He's remanded on February eighth, the day after he confesses
Speaker 1: all this stuff. The police immediately start opening unsolved cases
Speaker 1: in places where he had been stationed to see if
Speaker 1: they can connect anything else. Inside his home, police found
Speaker 1: a ton of stolen lingerie and underwear, all neatly stored,
Speaker 1: cataloged and hidden, but like it meticulously kept, like he
Speaker 1: like it was like a trophy box. So this guy
Speaker 1: is very unlike a lot of other serial killers that
Speaker 1: we've seen.
Speaker 3: He had a successful career.
Speaker 1: Along and what other people called apparently loving marriage, and
Speaker 1: his activities began with fetish home burglaries around six oh seven,
Speaker 1: when he was forty four years old. That's kind of
Speaker 1: late in the game to start being a criminal, But
Speaker 1: who knows, maybe they just don't know that shit he
Speaker 1: used to do. He might have been a flasher back
Speaker 1: like when he was in his twenties. So, according to
Speaker 1: a psychologist named Vernon Quinsy, who spent sixteen years researching
Speaker 1: criminals at a maximum security psychiatric hospital in Canada, this
Speaker 1: he said, quote, it's very unusual for a guy who's
Speaker 1: got his act together like that to all of a
Speaker 1: sudden start committing crimes at a late age. This guy's
Speaker 1: also a professor emeritus of psychology and biology and psychiatry
Speaker 1: at Queen's University. He goes on to say quote. The
Speaker 1: guys who typically see start earlier. Almost nobody starts a
Speaker 1: life of crime when they're in their forties, which is interesting.
Speaker 1: This guy went on regular jobs through his neighborhood, which
Speaker 1: it turns out, we find out later are just reconmissions
Speaker 1: where he can find people.
Speaker 3: Quote.
Speaker 1: When sex predators go out for a job, they're always
Speaker 1: on the hunt. They're looking for the opportunity. They spend
Speaker 1: a lot of time casing a place. And that's from
Speaker 1: Glen Woods, the director, former director of RCMP's Criminal Profiling Unit,
Speaker 1: which I think RCMP is like a Canadian FBI or something.
Speaker 1: Quinsy says that this guy might be ego dystnic, which
Speaker 1: is someone who finds his own impulses distressing and unacceptable.
Speaker 1: So I had never read about that before. It's like
Speaker 1: the opposite of like a lot of these guys that
Speaker 1: are like this is just my need, I need to
Speaker 1: do this, this is just my way I am, or whatever.
Speaker 1: During one of his sexual assaults, he reportedly told the
Speaker 1: victim he was attacking her quote so I can move
Speaker 1: on with my life end quote. The experts also posited
Speaker 1: that perhaps this was a guy who could mostly control
Speaker 1: his impulses, but then something would set him off. But
Speaker 1: what set him off? No one can say this guy
Speaker 1: had such a normal life. Like the only trauma that
Speaker 1: they were like trying to grab out in his life
Speaker 1: is that his parents got divorced and then his stepdad
Speaker 1: got divorced again in two thousand step his mom and
Speaker 1: stepdad got divorced again in two thousand and one, which
Speaker 1: strained his relationship with his mom. But like, nothing out
Speaker 1: of the ordinary, and people's parents get divorced every day,
Speaker 1: like so it's hardly. He mostly went to like posh schools,
Speaker 1: had like a privileged upbringing. In April twenty ten, he
Speaker 1: does try to take his own life by wedging a
Speaker 1: stuffed cardboard toilet paper rolled down his throat in jail,
Speaker 1: which is wild.
Speaker 3: I know, I'd never heard of that one. That's why
Speaker 3: I included it.
Speaker 1: October eighteenth, he pleads guilty to all charges he pleaded.
Speaker 3: He pleads guilty to like I.
Speaker 1: Think almost ninety charges like the break ins and then
Speaker 1: the murders, and then.
Speaker 3: Then to the two sexual assaults.
Speaker 1: So on the first day of his trial and guilty plea,
Speaker 1: all these details emerged of other sexual assaults he had committed,
Speaker 1: including the one with the new mother that we that
Speaker 1: I talked about earlier, when the baby was asleep in
Speaker 1: the house. It was also revealed that he might have
Speaker 1: had petopheliac tendencies because he stole underwear of girls as
Speaker 1: young as nine years old.
Speaker 3: This guy's all over the place. He had progressed.
Speaker 1: The interesting thing about him was that he had progressed
Speaker 1: from break ins to sexual assaults with no penetration, to
Speaker 1: finally rape and murder, and he had kept detailed track
Speaker 1: of police reports of the crimes he was committing, logged
Speaker 1: his crimes, kept photos and videos, and had even left
Speaker 1: notes and messages for his victims, like after breaking into
Speaker 1: the bedroom of a twelve year old girl, he left
Speaker 1: a message on her computer that said meyer se like
Speaker 1: thank you in French.
Speaker 3: So weird.
Speaker 1: He took thousands of pictures of his crimes, kept them
Speaker 1: all on his computer, so he wanted to get caught.
Speaker 3: It feels like it.
Speaker 2: Well, you mentioned, like he's so disgusted by his own shit.
Speaker 3: Right, Like did he just yeah?
Speaker 1: Like maybe he wanted to just get put away, yeah,
Speaker 1: so that he could stop doing it. But the one
Speaker 1: of the attorneys for the prosecution presented a lot of
Speaker 1: photos of him dressed in the underwear and the bras
Speaker 1: that he stole. He frequently masturbated while lying in his victims' beds,
Speaker 1: like he was a mess. So he was sentenced by
Speaker 1: Justice Robert F. Scott on October twenty second, twenty ten,
Speaker 1: to two concurrent life terms of prison with no consideration
Speaker 1: of parole for twenty five years. I cannot imagine that
Speaker 1: in twenty five years he's going to get any kind
Speaker 1: of thing. But he kind of, like the case like
Speaker 1: stayed in the news a little bit because in twenty fourteen,
Speaker 1: his wife, whose name was Mary Elizabeth Harriman, one of
Speaker 1: the women named Laurie Massacote, who had been one of
Speaker 1: the tie Up sexual assault victims who lived. She foiled
Speaker 1: a lawsuit against the province Russell Williams and his wife
Speaker 1: named Mary Elizabeth Harriman in twenty eleven, okay, and then
Speaker 1: she in twenty fourteen petitioned the court to expand her claim.
Speaker 1: In her claim, she said that Harriman, the wife, was
Speaker 1: quote unquote aware of her husband's quote unquote illicit conduct
Speaker 1: but did not report it. So she's trying to say
Speaker 1: that the wife is basically complicit in the crimes that
Speaker 1: she knew her husband did the shit and didn't do anything.
Speaker 1: I have not heard of this before of a wife
Speaker 1: like even like Fritzel, who you know, I'm obsessed with
Speaker 1: bringing up Fritzel, like he was to committing these crimes
Speaker 1: in their home in the basement, and the wife just
Speaker 1: said she had no idea. I haven't heard of like
Speaker 1: wives being brought in as like you knew and didn't
Speaker 1: say anything before. I don't think like there's accessory obviously
Speaker 1: people that are helping, but people that are just saying, oh,
Speaker 1: I knew what he was doing and I didn't say anything.
Speaker 1: So because like the Green River killer killed over one
Speaker 1: hundred women, he had a wife the whole time, I
Speaker 1: feel like, or no, he had a wife when he
Speaker 1: wasn't killing. So she won her her petition to be
Speaker 1: able to add that in. And that was bad news
Speaker 1: for the wife because she claims I knew nothing about
Speaker 1: his crimes.
Speaker 3: I had no idea. The lawsuit.
Speaker 1: The seven million dollar lawsuit was finally settled in twenty sixteen,
Speaker 1: five years later, and it's for undisclosed, so I have
Speaker 1: no idea how much it was for. But Mary Elizabeth
Speaker 1: harrim and the wife had basically filed to have her
Speaker 1: assets separated from her husband's as soon as this all happened.
Speaker 1: And I feel like this woman was like, well, those
Speaker 1: are his assets too, and I'm like entitled to them
Speaker 1: as one of his victims. So she has never the
Speaker 1: wife spoken publicly about her husband or his crimes. And
Speaker 1: people wonder like, how could anybody have been so like
Speaker 1: oblivious to like he literally the shit that they found
Speaker 1: in the house, Like they went into his house and
Speaker 1: they found a pillowcase in the garage that had and
Speaker 1: multiple computer boxes in the basement, all had stolen women's
Speaker 1: clothing in it.
Speaker 3: Like a bat right next to their bed.
Speaker 2: What if he took the photos and videos and stole
Speaker 2: stuff for his wife?
Speaker 3: Like what if she liked watching it? Eh?
Speaker 2: God, because our whole thing is like maybe he wanted
Speaker 2: to get caught, Maybe he would watch it. Maybe he
Speaker 2: gets off on it. Why it keeps so much evidence.
Speaker 2: But it's like, what if his wife was making him
Speaker 2: do it, And maybe that's why he confessed so fast
Speaker 2: because she was putting him up to it.
Speaker 3: JK.
Speaker 2: I don't want to blame a woman, but I you know,
Speaker 2: the misery this little chunk has Broun a little.
Speaker 3: Mystery to us.
Speaker 1: All yeah, I mean the cops when they went into
Speaker 1: the room, the cops found a bag right beside their bed,
Speaker 1: and in it was a black skull cap and like
Speaker 1: all this sketchy shit. And then at the cottage that
Speaker 1: they owned, they found a devil bag filled with hundreds
Speaker 1: of pieces of lingerie.
Speaker 3: It's like, how is she not finding any of this stuff?
Speaker 3: He kept a lot so damn. That's that.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if like somebody linked this to the article,
Speaker 1: because it's just about like a man in power, like
Speaker 1: who's a serial rapist? Like because this guy was so decorated.
Speaker 3: Yeah, did you say that the settlements amount this It.
Speaker 1: Was a seven million dollar lawsuit that they settled and
Speaker 1: I don't know how much it was for. It's undisclosed
Speaker 1: how much they settled for. But since why would they
Speaker 1: settle if she didn't do if she didn't know, like
Speaker 1: I well, the problem the Province of Ontario was involved
Speaker 1: as well. Oh yeah, so I think probably the majority
Speaker 1: of the money came from like the province, and then
Speaker 1: like the wife probably threw in.
Speaker 3: Like what she had.
Speaker 1: I know they had a I know that they had
Speaker 1: a two point four million dollar house in Ottawa that
Speaker 1: she said that was hers and they were trying to
Speaker 1: give like the less expensive house was like on his side,
Speaker 1: and people were on her about her real estate holdings
Speaker 1: and shit.
Speaker 3: But I think she knew.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just off, just off right now in my gut,
Speaker 2: Like I don't know. I find it's.
Speaker 3: Like if Jared has one new thing in the house,
Speaker 3: I'm like, where'd this come from? Like I like I
Speaker 3: know where.
Speaker 1: Like you know what I mean, Like you just kind
Speaker 1: of are like, what's in that Duffel bag? Oh, women's lingerie?
Speaker 1: Like it seems a little but it's free. I don't
Speaker 1: know if I would go so far as to say
Speaker 1: she was like, go kill people, because I'm turned on
Speaker 1: by it.
Speaker 3: But maybe he was bringing her lingerie.
Speaker 2: Because the only reason I'm jumping to this conclusion is
Speaker 2: because he confessed so quick. I mean like he just
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, I did it, whatever, get me out
Speaker 2: of here, Like I don't know, And with the stuff
Speaker 2: just being everywhere in so much of it, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And they probably would have found out about the
Speaker 1: other victim because they were actually acquaintances with each other.
Speaker 1: So once he confessed to the Jessica Lloyd, which is
Speaker 1: essentially a stranger murder. I'm sure they would have been like, oh,
Speaker 1: this guy worked with a woman who died, you know,
Speaker 1: two months ago, so I guess that's why he confess
Speaker 1: to that. But yeah, not even a not guilty by
Speaker 1: reason of a mental disease. I don't know if they
Speaker 1: have that in Canada, but I'm sure they do. Like nothing,
Speaker 1: just guilty, guilty, guilty, never getting out of jail.
Speaker 2: Canada, they have a whoopsie left charge oops a daisy.
Speaker 3: So that's that. On that so horrific.
Speaker 1: But we have a great guest for today, guys, so
Speaker 1: don't move a little muscle. Okay, guys, our guest today.
Speaker 1: You'll never believe how I booked her. Our kids were
Speaker 1: playing together at a playground and I recognized her from
Speaker 1: an SVU and was like, you gotta come to my podcast.
Speaker 1: So she is an actress, both on the dramatic and
Speaker 1: comedic side. You know her as the star of Don't
Speaker 1: Trust the Bee in Apartment twenty three, and she was
Speaker 1: the lead in the very disturbing film Compliance. But you
Speaker 1: know her today as Detective Rhyes Taymoor. Please enjoy our
Speaker 1: convo with the delightful dreama Walker DREAMA.
Speaker 3: So good to have you here.
Speaker 1: Famously, basically, I feel like my daughter Rosie got you
Speaker 1: booked on this podcast because your daughter came up to
Speaker 1: my daughter somewhere and we start they started coloring together,
Speaker 1: and then I mean, I booked you for this really
Speaker 1: on the playground. It's our first playground booking.
Speaker 4: I mean, let's be honest. My daughter came up to
Speaker 4: your daughter at a bar.
Speaker 3: It was this barcade, what was no, no, you know it.
Speaker 1: It's the bar in our neighborhood that's like kid Central
Speaker 1: after school, you know, on Friday afternoons. And I like,
Speaker 1: she just I brought markers because otherwise they just try
Speaker 1: to like run out onto the street.
Speaker 3: And her little cutie just walked up and was like,
Speaker 3: can I.
Speaker 1: Draw with you guys? And I was like, of course
Speaker 1: you can. And then I kept seeing you at the
Speaker 1: playground and was like, you've been in a NSPU. You
Speaker 1: have to do my podcast. And then the dream came true.
Speaker 1: Here we are, here, we are.
Speaker 5: It's all started with the bar, like all good things do.
Speaker 3: And I guess we'll start with something else great.
Speaker 2: I mean, this show is known for a lot but
Speaker 2: you know Marishka's hair and you came in really rivaling.
Speaker 3: Your hair looked incredible this episode.
Speaker 5: God bless, God bless you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, bless, it was really popping.
Speaker 1: You were ready for that pop, ready for that cop
Speaker 1: convention with a fresh blowout, and you were ready to
Speaker 1: do some networking.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: It's so funny.
Speaker 4: Every time I've ever done any law in order as
Speaker 4: for you or otherwise, they're always just so excited to
Speaker 4: like do beauty makeup, you know, because they're you know,
Speaker 4: they're trained professionals for hair and makeup. They can do anything,
Speaker 4: they can do special effects, whatever. But they're always just like, oh,
Speaker 4: we just get to make you look nice, that's so exciting.
Speaker 2: Was working with Harry Hamlin exciting meeting him?
Speaker 3: Or did that not affect you at all?
Speaker 4: I guess this is the part where we realized that
Speaker 4: I'm a I'm an uncultured person.
Speaker 5: But I was just like, Oh, you're Lisa Rena's Husband's.
Speaker 3: That's for us.
Speaker 5: That is.
Speaker 2: Did he make you pasta sauce? Did he make any pies?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 5: I mean, I mean I was just like your Lisa
Speaker 5: Arena's husband. I don't know.
Speaker 4: I feel like when someone's playing your rapist, you don't like,
Speaker 4: really let you get.
Speaker 5: To know them too well, you know, you're not like,
Speaker 5: let's be friends.
Speaker 3: That is true. That's a good point.
Speaker 1: Law and Order original recipe. Is that like your first
Speaker 1: acting gig. According to IMDb, it's like your first television thing.
Speaker 4: IMDb was correct. Yeah, that was my very first gig.
Speaker 4: I remember I bought a dog with her. With the money,
Speaker 4: I think it was like six hundred bucks and it
Speaker 4: was like the most I'd ever.
Speaker 5: Made, and I was like, I can get a dog now,
Speaker 5: and I did. Yeah, so it was it was my
Speaker 5: first job.
Speaker 3: What did you name your first dog?
Speaker 5: Maggie?
Speaker 3: Oh Maggie. Yeah.
Speaker 5: And it's insane. You're not going to believe this. She's
Speaker 5: still alive.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, she's going to be seventeen in September.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: Amazing, Yeah, crazy, Oh my gosh. And well, so then
Speaker 1: you did Criminal Intent and O eight. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you bought another dog with that money, and then
Speaker 1: you did SVU in twenty fourteen.
Speaker 3: So by the time they brought you in for.
Speaker 1: This episode that we're talking about today forgiving Rollins, were
Speaker 1: you just like did they did you auditioned for it?
Speaker 1: Or do they know you by this point in the
Speaker 1: Law and Order in the Dick Wolf verse, the.
Speaker 5: SVU thing was an offer, which was so generous.
Speaker 4: But at the time I was, you know, working pretty
Speaker 4: regularly and you know, was at a point in micro
Speaker 4: roll I was like, well, how much are they paying?
Speaker 4: They pay really well, wow, And I know people like
Speaker 4: love the show and so I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 4: I'll happily do it.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I flew to New York to do it.
Speaker 4: And it's really funny, like, you know, not to not
Speaker 4: that I'm like have even a B lister by a
Speaker 4: struct of my imagination, but when people come up to
Speaker 4: me sometimes and they say SVU, I'm like, that's so
Speaker 4: interesting that in you know, like eighteen years of my
Speaker 4: body of work, Like that's the thing that some people
Speaker 4: know me by, and that's it.
Speaker 5: But yeah, it was a cool It's a cool feather
Speaker 5: in my cap for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally.
Speaker 1: I mean, also, it plays constantly, so at any given moments,
Speaker 1: someone could see you on the street and have just
Speaker 1: seen your episode like the day before, so it's always
Speaker 1: refreshing people's minds. So, speaking of highdrama, in the scene
Speaker 1: where you have to like disclose to Benson. That's like
Speaker 1: a really I feel like you're real, You're great in
Speaker 1: that scene, Like it's really really intense because at first
Speaker 1: you're like shrugging it off like oh no, no, nothing,
Speaker 1: like everything's fine, and then you're like finally getting into it.
Speaker 3: What was it like opposite.
Speaker 1: Marushka the Number one the doing like that kind of scene,
Speaker 1: like do you remember anything from I told.
Speaker 4: You on the playground that I have a good story
Speaker 4: for you and I have a good sy you.
Speaker 5: Okay, So I'm in New York doing this show.
Speaker 4: Obviously, just grateful to have a job, grateful to have
Speaker 4: an opportunity like this. But if I can be honest
Speaker 4: with you, at my core, I'm a comedic actress. I
Speaker 4: don't feel super comfortable doing crying scenes. I moved to
Speaker 4: New York when I was eighteen. I learned to suppress
Speaker 4: my emotions. It is how I have survived, and so
Speaker 4: when someone wants.
Speaker 5: Me to cry, it's really hard for me.
Speaker 4: Because I'm just like, I don't fucking cry anyway. So
Speaker 4: we're doing this scene with Marishka, and I had kind
Speaker 4: of made a character choice that like my character was
Speaker 4: going to be in so much shock from everything that
Speaker 4: happened that she wasn't going to have an emotional breakdown.
Speaker 5: Which is I mean, definitely does.
Speaker 4: Happen some people, Like I mean, honestly, I think if
Speaker 4: it were me, I would just be so in shock.
Speaker 5: I wouldn't cry.
Speaker 1: But also, especially because your character is a detective. Yeah
Speaker 1: she's worked in this like with the victims and stuff,
Speaker 1: and yeah.
Speaker 4: She's a badass with a blowout, She's not gonna cry.
Speaker 4: So I'm doing this scene with Mariushka and we're on
Speaker 4: my coverage and Marishka is not directing the episode, but
Speaker 4: I mean, she's obviously like a force. And I can't
Speaker 4: remember what if she like stopped in the middle of
Speaker 4: a take or what.
Speaker 5: But she was like, honey, she was like, you have
Speaker 5: such What did she say?
Speaker 4: She's like, you have such a lightness about you and
Speaker 4: she's like it was a compliment, But I didn't feel
Speaker 4: like one of the moments she's like, she's like, you're
Speaker 4: so pretty that you just telling this story without breaking
Speaker 4: down is not compelling enough.
Speaker 3: Wow, And I was like.
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm getting acting advice from this. Legends from this
Speaker 4: like multi generational legend, and also like I can't tell
Speaker 4: her like, Hi, I can't cry.
Speaker 5: So I was like, I, you know, it's not like
Speaker 5: you have like someone with you that you can go
Speaker 5: talk to and.
Speaker 4: Like stuss it out. I was like, what the fuck
Speaker 4: am I gonna do? So I was like, all right,
Speaker 4: I gotta cry from Marishka. So I just thought of
Speaker 4: some really sad shit that had happened in my life,
Speaker 4: and I was able to summit the tears, thank god.
Speaker 4: But I was embarrassed. I mean like she was doing
Speaker 4: me a favor and I totally get where she was
Speaker 4: coming from and it was a place to respect. But
Speaker 4: it also was like, in knowing what I know about
Speaker 4: myself and my capabilities, I was like, you have gotten
Speaker 4: my achilles heel.
Speaker 5: Here, like I am not. You know, this is not
Speaker 5: my forte.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 1: Though we've heard other actors tell us about her like
Speaker 1: getting tears out of them before, too, Like I feel
Speaker 1: like she that's so funny that she's like, you're too pretty.
Speaker 3: Like if you were a little bit more.
Speaker 1: Haggard and you know, maybe had like a facial deformity,
Speaker 1: we would be fine.
Speaker 3: You're just too beautiful.
Speaker 4: I mean it was very nice, and I'm not sure
Speaker 4: if she was just like serving me a shit sandwich.
Speaker 4: She was just like, hey, listen, you little blonde bitch.
Speaker 4: You can't really act like we need you to, so
Speaker 4: can can I just tell you you're pretty and you like
Speaker 4: get your shit together?
Speaker 5: Thank you. I don't know, I'll never know, but yeah,
Speaker 5: it was. It happened.
Speaker 3: It happened.
Speaker 1: So much pressure, wow, so so much. And then it's
Speaker 1: like she's waiting for it.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I know, I know, And like I said,
Speaker 4: it's really difficult. Like for whatever reason, if we were
Speaker 4: to do like a theatrical production, I would be like
Speaker 4: really inspired by the audience. Like I don't know, it's
Speaker 4: it's just such a different thing on a set because
Speaker 4: you get to know everybody around you so well. Everybody's there,
Speaker 4: everybody just wants to go home, get the scene done.
Speaker 5: And for you to feel that pressure of like cry,
Speaker 5: it's like, oh my god, you know, and I just can't.
Speaker 5: I can't.
Speaker 4: And then I actually have another story for you. I mean,
Speaker 4: I haven't worked in a while. I've had like a
Speaker 4: lot of kids, but only two, but you know what
Speaker 4: I mean. But this is going to like be my
Speaker 4: nail in the coffin. So it was the shot in
Speaker 4: the winter, and as soon as I got to New York,
Speaker 4: I got really sick, like a really bad cold, and
Speaker 4: I felt like garbage. And of course, like you know,
Speaker 4: I was going to bed early, taking care of myself.
Speaker 4: But when you're really sick, there's not much you could do.
Speaker 4: So the day that we shot the courtroom scene, I
Speaker 4: remember I had like did everything I could, and they
Speaker 4: did my coverage first, and after they did my coverage day,
Speaker 4: I remember they were doing coverage on the.
Speaker 5: Jury and I could not keep my eyes open.
Speaker 4: I was so tired, and like you know, obviously I
Speaker 4: have lines that they're supposed to react to, but I
Speaker 4: was standing on the witness stand just like not falling
Speaker 4: out of my nose, sore a throat, like hide double
Speaker 4: on cold medicine.
Speaker 5: And I remember nodding.
Speaker 4: Off and I was like, oh my god, I'm gonna
Speaker 4: get fined, but I'm never gonna work again.
Speaker 5: But I couldn't even that wasn't enough. I was like,
Speaker 5: but I have to notice sleep.
Speaker 4: And I remember like at one point the ad was
Speaker 4: just like you know what you can, you can just
Speaker 4: go take a break. We're going to have your your
Speaker 4: stand in like read your lines for the jury to
Speaker 4: react to.
Speaker 5: Which is like totally normal.
Speaker 4: I mean, like if I were, you know, a really
Speaker 4: big star, that would be normal.
Speaker 5: But I just felt bad that I couldn't stay away.
Speaker 3: Falling asleep on the stand is cool.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I was just like, I'm sure no one
Speaker 4: has ever been this chill in this position before, but
Speaker 4: here I was big like, yeah.
Speaker 3: You I really could.
Speaker 1: You couldn't tell you didn't sound stuffed up or anything
Speaker 1: like in the actual scene when you're in court, because
Speaker 1: I remember being like, like really impressed with your testimony
Speaker 1: because a lot of times, even when the person's like
Speaker 1: really like you were just like the most prepped witness
Speaker 1: that the show's ever seen, like always this is are
Speaker 1: like a little bit shaky, and you were just like
Speaker 1: this is what happened. Well, yep, there was drinking and
Speaker 1: this is what happened. Like you were just really to
Speaker 1: the point. How was that courtroom scene like face with
Speaker 1: like Barbara with Raoula Sparza, Oh my gosh, it was awesome.
Speaker 5: Everyone was so nice.
Speaker 4: God, I'm telling you, those those their hours are just insane.
Speaker 4: But they're just like a well oiled machine. Everybody knows
Speaker 4: what they're doing. And I mean no offense, but like
Speaker 4: New York actors are just like they don't find they
Speaker 4: show up, they know all their lines and everybody else's
Speaker 4: they're like kind, they're they're they're amazing compared to LA actors,
Speaker 4: I feel like, but yeah, every everybody's just so their
Speaker 4: work ethic is always incredible, and you know, the crew
Speaker 4: is amazing, and I'm just like, you had to take
Speaker 4: like seven trains to get here and there's four feet
Speaker 4: of snow, and you guys are gonna be here for eighteen.
Speaker 5: Hours and you're not going to complain, Like you guys
Speaker 5: are incredible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you mentioned the hours, So I loved Don't Trust
Speaker 2: the Being Apartment twenty.
Speaker 3: Three, Me too, Me too. I was a watcher. It
Speaker 3: was so good. What were those hours?
Speaker 2: Is it?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 2: Is Law and Order even wilder? Because I feel like
Speaker 2: most shows are just such long hours. But something is
Speaker 2: different with SVO.
Speaker 5: Something's different with SBU.
Speaker 4: I mean any drama, obviously you have twice the material
Speaker 4: and then also like you have big scenes like courtrooms
Speaker 4: or dinner tables or you know that kind of stuff
Speaker 4: that just requires a lot of coverage. I used to
Speaker 4: make a joke it's probably still not funny, but I'll
Speaker 4: make it anyway. So like, like I remember when I
Speaker 4: first got started, a like, oh, you want to see
Speaker 4: what their elbow looks like during this scene? Like sometimes
Speaker 4: it just seems like there's so many setups that you're
Speaker 4: just like, what.
Speaker 5: In the you can't we have got this?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 5: But I'm lazy and that's why I haven't made a movie.
Speaker 3: A movie.
Speaker 4: But yeah, no, John Dressabe was like a dream job.
Speaker 4: It was like half days, you know, we'd be done
Speaker 4: by like three o'clock. And yeah, I mean I do
Speaker 4: think comedy like requires as you guys know, like requires
Speaker 4: a lot of energy that is hard for anyone and
Speaker 4: everyone to give.
Speaker 5: But I'd much rather do that than cry all day.
Speaker 5: I'm not Elizabeth Moss, you know what I mean. It's
Speaker 5: not gonna happen for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so okay, we're huge Sex and the City people.
Speaker 2: It is on your IMDb, but it doesn't say what episode.
Speaker 2: It only says two thousand and eight.
Speaker 5: As it's the movie.
Speaker 3: Ho oh my god. I was like, what the fuck?
Speaker 3: They usually have the information? Oh my god, that's incredible.
Speaker 5: Who I wear a bow tie? I am like a waitress.
Speaker 4: I have like two lines it's it was dumb, but
Speaker 4: obviously it was like huge when it happened. Michael Patrick King,
Speaker 4: which every time I say that name, I think I'm
Speaker 4: making it up, but I'm not. Michael Patrick King had
Speaker 4: all of us, everyone who had like a bit part
Speaker 4: in that, like had a very like lengthy extended audition
Speaker 4: like where we had to do like improv and like
Speaker 4: like I feel like there.
Speaker 5: Was even like movement stuff in it.
Speaker 4: And it was really fun because it was like me
Speaker 4: and like a bunch of my friends that were all
Speaker 4: actors or whatever. But I feel like he wanted to
Speaker 4: see like who you know, kind of like who was
Speaker 4: like serious about it or who was I don't know,
Speaker 4: And it was an honor at the time.
Speaker 5: But now I'm just like, oh, I'm wearing a bow
Speaker 5: tie looking confused.
Speaker 3: But now that I see the year, it all makes
Speaker 3: sense and I feel like a fool.
Speaker 5: But yeah, that's so funny. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because like sec in the City, the show was
Speaker 4: like when I was probably in high school or something,
Speaker 4: so that would have been really crazy. If it's like,
Speaker 4: oh this, we're gonna have this girl from Florida bean
Speaker 4: sext this safe.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, that would have been weird. We're in Florida,
Speaker 3: I'm from Tampa, whoa.
Speaker 5: And usually the conversation is over after No, we had.
Speaker 1: A fun show in Tampa. We did a show in
Speaker 1: Tampa where the tampav Oh, that's awesome. It's really good
Speaker 1: to know.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, obviously I like it because I'm from there,
Speaker 4: but yeah, it's like it's a super cute place, but people.
Speaker 5: Love to make fun of it, especially Tina Thing. And
Speaker 5: then I actually grew up with Britney Snow.
Speaker 4: We performed together in a performing group and she, oh,
Speaker 4: this is where it gets even crazier.
Speaker 5: So like my older brother and sister, they did commercials
Speaker 5: and stuff when they were younger. They were like super cute,
Speaker 5: like worked all the time. I didn't. I'd like to
Speaker 5: think that it was because of my personality, but I
Speaker 5: think it may have been because of my looks too,
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 4: Anyway, along comes adorable Brittany Snow and her mom is like,
Speaker 4: I'd like to get Brittany into that stuff.
Speaker 5: And my mom was the first person to get Brittany Snow.
Speaker 5: Her agent Oh.
Speaker 3: Ya, I mean it.
Speaker 4: God love you for saying that, No, I'm not tan
Speaker 4: enough or you know, uh, I don't. I'm sorry to
Speaker 4: disappoint you.
Speaker 2: I know, I know.
Speaker 3: This is the uniform of Tampa both all of these
Speaker 3: things you're not.
Speaker 4: I mean, I know, I'm just letting you guys down.
Speaker 4: But yeah, so my mom was the first one to
Speaker 4: get Britney snow her like Orlando Agent and yeah, you know,
Speaker 4: I mean, like Britney's so beautiful and was always like
Speaker 4: so cute and charismatic. And then before we knew it,
Speaker 4: she had like ascended to like having a TV show
Speaker 4: in high school and I would say she's wedding.
Speaker 3: She's also in an amazing SVU episode as well.
Speaker 5: Oh, I'm sure she is.
Speaker 3: It's based on that. It's based on the it's like
Speaker 3: the Tom Cruise thing or something.
Speaker 2: Right. Oh, like it's like a celebrity being again like
Speaker 2: against psychodelic, against psychotropic medication, and so she stops taking
Speaker 2: her medication and she does all this crazy stuff because
Speaker 2: she needs to be a medication.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's with Norman Ritis. It's a star studded one.
Speaker 1: Now, your IMDb, which lies all the time, did say
Speaker 1: that you were in a teen pop band called Schoolgirls
Speaker 1: where there's an apostrophe or an asterisk.
Speaker 3: It's like stylized as like school girls, like what tell
Speaker 3: us the truth? I can tell you the look on
Speaker 3: your face that it's true.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you don't know anything, very intuitive person.
Speaker 4: No, you know, I really thought that i'd escaped the
Speaker 4: wrath of that coming back to life because I thought
Speaker 4: that that was kind of like pre Internet. But I
Speaker 4: guess nothing's pre internet anymore now that there's the Internet.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So I was in a pop group.
Speaker 4: That was the thing that you did, you know, when
Speaker 4: you were like trying not to get pregnant in Tampa.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I was in a pop group, and to
Speaker 4: be honest, it's actually how I got where I got today.
Speaker 4: I ended up getting representation through that said pop group.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 1: So okay, how was working with Kelly Giddish? We've had
Speaker 1: her on our podcast. She's lovely. Oh she was so cool,
Speaker 1: you guys. We had like big sister, little sister energy
Speaker 1: in that show too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she was so cool.
Speaker 5: I remember she had like a This was kind of
Speaker 5: like her first, wasn't it. It was like her first
Speaker 5: really big thing.
Speaker 3: It was a big episode for her because it was
Speaker 3: like really focused on her.
Speaker 5: It might have been like no, No, I'm sorry. I'm
Speaker 5: not talking about my episode. I'm talking about like her
Speaker 5: getting Oh yeah, I'm gonna Yes, that's like a huge,
Speaker 5: amazing job.
Speaker 4: But I felt like she just kind of had like
Speaker 4: the discipline and like all the like stuff that you
Speaker 4: needed to succeed. Remember she had a giant shreadmill in
Speaker 4: her dressing room at Chelsea Pierre's. And I was just like, dang, girl,
Speaker 4: Like for you to wake up at five in the
Speaker 4: morning and like say all your sad crazy lines all.
Speaker 5: Day and then go run on a tread like, good
Speaker 5: for you. Yeah, I'm just gonna go eat a donut
Speaker 5: with toddler. Yeah that's that's how I'm parent anyway. But yeah,
Speaker 5: I thought she was awesome.
Speaker 4: And I also feel like I've heard from other people
Speaker 4: that she's she's a good person and she's a great actress.
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah she was cool. When we talked to
Speaker 3: her dog known to bring her dog to set.
Speaker 4: Probably, I'm wondering if I brought my dogs that trip.
Speaker 4: I think I brought my dogs that trip too, But.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I feel like I feel like she did have
Speaker 5: she has a bigger dog.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Her dog's name is Franny.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you guys are so cute for knowing that that's rible.
Speaker 1: Well, the dog is on the show as her dog too,
Speaker 1: so she walks her own dog on the show sometimes
Speaker 1: when she's like doing a sting and pretending to just
Speaker 1: walk a dog so that someone will attack her or whatever.
Speaker 3: God, you know, just a day in the life of
Speaker 3: Amanda Rollins.
Speaker 1: Oh man, do you have any other like you gave
Speaker 1: us so much, but any other little like memories from
Speaker 1: the set that you.
Speaker 2: Want to throw in there, like or anything upcoming that
Speaker 2: you're excited about to tell the listeners.
Speaker 4: Fuck all, No, Like I said, I had a bunch
Speaker 4: of kids, ipe you and I sneeze now, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 4: between like the pandemic and becoming a mom, my careers
Speaker 4: just kind of slowed.
Speaker 5: My agent says it'll get better. We'll see. I don't know,
Speaker 5: to be honest, like.
Speaker 4: I said, I really I just like making people laugh.
Speaker 4: I want to write, I want to I'm going to
Speaker 4: do comedy. That's kind of where my where my heart
Speaker 4: is at. So hopefully, you know, I can make that
Speaker 4: happen one day.
Speaker 3: But Drake figures itself out, Yeah, and we can. It's
Speaker 3: so crazy do cool fun things.
Speaker 5: I know, I know it's so bananas. But then the
Speaker 5: actors are going to go on strike too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, good good, that's right. Well, this has been awesome.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much.
Speaker 5: Love all the guys are so sweet.
Speaker 1: She was lovely to talk to, love her. She still
Speaker 1: see her all the time around town. That's I worked
Speaker 1: on the podcast through my children. The first was Virginia,
Speaker 1: but this is the second one. But she's great and
Speaker 1: it sounds like she had a blast on the set.
Speaker 1: I mean, this episode was a toughie. I mean we
Speaker 1: got a lot of Rollin's emotion, a lot of emotional Rollins.
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: I think this episode does a great job of showing
Speaker 2: like all the reasons why people don't come forward and
Speaker 2: how it causes more problems instead of less, and hopefully
Speaker 2: one day people will understand that to be like, well
Speaker 2: why didn't you why didn't you say any of that?
Speaker 2: You know, there's so many reasons and it's like professional, like,
Speaker 2: I mean, Rollins ran away, went all the way to
Speaker 2: New York and still they won't leave her ass alone,
Speaker 2: you know, like it's disgusting, and we learned that wives
Speaker 2: will just.
Speaker 3: Like believe they're weird. Harry Hamblin Husbands, I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but also that like I thought it was like freaky.
Speaker 1: Also like her boss is taking advantage and being a
Speaker 1: like criminal advantage. But then her coworker like that guy
Speaker 1: was like you never had any time for me. It's
Speaker 1: like he's just like he can't even Like these guys
Speaker 1: are all like loyal to each other and are just like,
Speaker 1: oh wow, you're giving it to the boss, but not
Speaker 1: to me. Like the guy that like tried to she
Speaker 1: had to kick him in the balls with Franny. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he grossed me out. He's in a couple of other
Speaker 1: episodes too, as that character where you could tell he's
Speaker 1: just like leering, like he wants Amanda, but like she'll
Speaker 1: never but.
Speaker 3: They all get married. It's just like you can all
Speaker 3: be sluts.
Speaker 2: I just don't get why you have to be married
Speaker 2: to someone while also trying to like sexually harass your coworkers. Honestly,
Speaker 2: as much as we talked about how dudes are like
Speaker 2: have kids and get married, we should start an anti
Speaker 2: campaign being like leave us alone. Yeah, then don't get
Speaker 2: married if you don't want to be with your wife. Yeah,
Speaker 2: no one is forcing marriage upon you, Like I don't
Speaker 2: understand it, Like I like, I understand if.
Speaker 3: You were you did want to be with your wife.
Speaker 3: You've fallen out of love, get divorced? What's going on?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Honestly, while I was yelling why are you doing this?
Speaker 2: I realized who else is going to do the laundry?
Speaker 1: Exactly? Who's going to do your laundry? Who's gonna cook
Speaker 1: and clean for you? Raise your children?
Speaker 3: B blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: I think we could keep this little post mortem quick
Speaker 2: since we talked for forty five minutes about every c
Speaker 2: crime that I've ever read about this week.
Speaker 3: Agree, let's move on. Let's move on to what would
Speaker 3: sister peg?
Speaker 2: Do?
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