Speaker 1: What's up everyone on toury deal And I'm a Nissa
Speaker 1: Ferrara and this is MTV's official challenge podcast.
Speaker 2: And Anissa, I w this episode as underrated, undulated and
Speaker 2: under appreciated.
Speaker 1: Appreciate it, thank you. It's undulated me. Can you tell
Speaker 1: me when something undulates? Okay, yeah, I gets an action.
Speaker 1: No one knows the reason why. Let me.
Speaker 3: The reason why I said that is because you were
Speaker 3: undulating with Sam.
Speaker 2: So I was like, Okay, that means having a smoothly
Speaker 2: rising and falling form.
Speaker 1: There you go like a dry hump.
Speaker 4: This is why you can't do the podcast with your
Speaker 4: best friend, because we're so fucking we're too real.
Speaker 1: I know, like when you were Ungula. Oh my god.
Speaker 3: I mean this is a big episode.
Speaker 1: Like there was a lot going on.
Speaker 2: There was so much going on, and like, I feel
Speaker 2: like this was a big episode for you. You know,
Speaker 2: obviously last week's episode left us off at a very
Speaker 2: high intense conversation and this one opened up a lot.
Speaker 2: You know, you had a lot of very vulnerable things
Speaker 2: to say, so did Ashley. This episode actually made me,
Speaker 2: like Ashley, seeing you to be vulnerable to each other.
Speaker 2: I mean, like obviously I want to give you the
Speaker 2: stage to talk about it.
Speaker 3: I can't.
Speaker 2: I don't want to steal all the mic from you.
Speaker 2: But like, what was it like being there and going
Speaker 2: through all this.
Speaker 1: Well, I when she's upstairs talking and the gym and
Speaker 1: she's like she hasn't even trained da da da dah,
Speaker 1: which you knew because I mean this is a month
Speaker 1: after yeah, this is like weeks after you guys wrapped,
Speaker 1: you know, like I rolled right over after that lost
Speaker 1: to Jenny and like being so ready for the season
Speaker 1: to going on all starts, thinking this is my second
Speaker 1: chance said this, you know, right, So I think that
Speaker 1: was all already like triggering the fact that I was
Speaker 1: back in the place that I had just lost in.
Speaker 1: But this thing with Ashley, where like, you know, I
Speaker 1: usually don't speak to people in such a way, Like
Speaker 1: when I tell a joke, usually lands. When I am funny,
Speaker 1: it's usually received well, So like when I fuck up,
Speaker 1: I own that, and I really own this one. It's
Speaker 1: just I was so triggered by the things that she
Speaker 1: said to me, like just because of how I felt
Speaker 1: about my own body, you know, and I didn't know
Speaker 1: how offended and hurt and triggered I would be. You know,
Speaker 1: Ashley was basically saying like, I know, like this is
Speaker 1: for the game, and I'm like, it's not. It's not
Speaker 1: for the game. Like if I hurt your feelings, I apologize,
Speaker 1: you know. And I think that she felt kind of
Speaker 1: like an outcast because you saw Ashley and I on
Speaker 1: Champs for Stars together, like we were close at one point, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we kind of fell out, and she's clearly not afraid
Speaker 1: to speak her mind on how she feels about me.
Speaker 1: And it's hard to watch that back because like, as
Speaker 1: real as I am, I also am mindful of my
Speaker 1: interviews that I don't want to hurt anybody's feelings, you know.
Speaker 1: And it stings to like watch everything back because it
Speaker 1: takes you back to that place. But I also feel
Speaker 1: like it shows everyone like, hey, you know, you can
Speaker 1: have a difference of opinion and you can have a
Speaker 1: disagreement and not you know, kill each other or you know,
Speaker 1: you can come back from it if you just like
Speaker 1: give each other some space and have like a very
Speaker 1: open and honest conversation and you own your shit, you
Speaker 1: can really move through that. So hopefully it helps people
Speaker 1: and shows them that, you know, like you can problem
Speaker 1: solve and navigate certain things in your life without you know,
Speaker 1: having to tear somebody down, and I think it shows
Speaker 1: how we both have grown. So yeah, all in all,
Speaker 1: it turns out to be a good a good conversation,
Speaker 1: and I think one that was needed. But uh, I
Speaker 1: wish we would have had more time.
Speaker 5: Yeah, show, I.
Speaker 3: Mean for sure, for fucking sure.
Speaker 1: I'm just mad that we were even in this situation
Speaker 1: because I really feel like, I mean, in my heart,
Speaker 1: probably could have taken it all, you know, like if it
Speaker 1: comes to muscles like I have, you, like, if we
Speaker 1: have to pull anything or pull someone or knock them
Speaker 1: over like I got you because Ashley smart, so I
Speaker 1: wasn't worried about anything mentally, Yeah, and I knew Ashley
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna quit, you know, and as hungry as I
Speaker 1: was from forty, there was nothing that was going to
Speaker 1: stand in my way. So unfortunately, you know, Fetti and
Speaker 1: Amber thought we needed to go in.
Speaker 3: But yeah, let's get in.
Speaker 2: Let's get into a little bit more of that Fetcy
Speaker 2: and Amber win and throw you in.
Speaker 3: I mean, like, did you see it coming?
Speaker 1: So before we went in, I'm like, Amber, do we
Speaker 1: need to talk? You know, cause She was like, people
Speaker 1: don't I don't know who has my back, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: and Ashley and I had this weird feeling. She was like,
Speaker 1: are you sure. I'm like, well, Leroy and Devin have us,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And Frank said, you know,
Speaker 1: I had all these people surrounding me, like I got
Speaker 1: you. You don't have to have me, but I got you.
Speaker 1: But you know, with Amber, her and I don't have
Speaker 1: the best track record, but we were working on our friendship.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: We talked to James together on our phone calls. We
Speaker 1: talk every day like we'd hang out. So it wasn't
Speaker 1: that shocked me a bit, but not as shocking as BESSI.
Speaker 1: And then his reasoning was even more ridiculous because I
Speaker 1: didn't send him into elimination. I put him down in
Speaker 1: the in the draw, you and Devin sent him in.
Speaker 1: So if he was really on the whole grudge holding thing,
Speaker 1: he would have sent Devon and Leroy in.
Speaker 3: Did me out of it? I don't remember.
Speaker 1: I really don't against Nannie and Johnny. Well I kind
Speaker 1: of remember, yeah, because Olivia and Harasia saved Jordan and
Speaker 1: I yes, okay, yes, yes, So I'm like, if anybody
Speaker 1: if you're holding grudges whole grudges against somebody who actually
Speaker 1: threw you in.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, like like.
Speaker 1: Make make the reasoning make sense. And we talked all
Speaker 1: day the day before and he was like, yo, I
Speaker 1: saw you looking good, like I would like run around
Speaker 1: the yard and shit. And he was like, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm proud of you. And I'm like, I'm proud of you,
Speaker 1: and I mean it just was such.
Speaker 3: A way you just said that. I thought you just
Speaker 3: said you run around the yard and shit. And I
Speaker 3: was like, wait, what do you mean?
Speaker 1: Like you did laughing in the yard. I wasn't shooting
Speaker 1: in the yard.
Speaker 3: You weren't shitting in the yard.
Speaker 2: But Ashley was farting in your face, and the producers
Speaker 2: did her dirty with that.
Speaker 1: I don't remember her farting on me.
Speaker 3: Well it was in your face.
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I did the best I could during
Speaker 1: that challenge because it literally is not easy girl girl
Speaker 1: to really like fly somebody out there.
Speaker 3: You did do really well.
Speaker 2: You guys had a good performance, and I mean obviously
Speaker 2: Besi and Amberwyn And then it goes into this whole
Speaker 2: thing and I want to get into it a lot
Speaker 2: more when when Katie's here.
Speaker 3: But before we get into the interview portion of this podcast,
Speaker 3: in the interview portion, I felt that sounds like such
Speaker 3: a nerd.
Speaker 2: Before we got into this interview portion, I want to
Speaker 2: know how you and Ashley left off, Like where are
Speaker 2: you guys at now?
Speaker 1: You know what's a relationship? Like, so, what's crazy is
Speaker 1: they after this? We were like, I don't even know
Speaker 1: how they're going to have a shit because we are
Speaker 1: the entertainment. I'm like Davon and and Shane, Veronica, Katie
Speaker 1: and Frank and Sam y'all better. Y'all better carry it
Speaker 1: because I think that our dynamic did provide for very
Speaker 1: good television. But what's crazy is we got back. We
Speaker 1: ate dinner together in my room. Then it was like
Speaker 1: she was in my room the next day. Then we
Speaker 1: went out once my exit interview was done in hers,
Speaker 1: we went out for top us, We went out drinking,
Speaker 1: We walked around the city. It was fine.
Speaker 3: I was sad. I was really disappointed that you guys
Speaker 3: went home obviously, like I.
Speaker 1: Oh, I was ready to can. I was just like
Speaker 1: she made me laugh though so much like before we left,
Speaker 1: because she was just cursing people out and when tejs, like,
Speaker 1: how do you feel? She was like, these are not
Speaker 1: your friends, Like she gave me like that to be like,
Speaker 1: fuck you guys. Yeah, because Amber came over to hug me.
Speaker 1: She was like I'm sorry. I'm like, don't touch me.
Speaker 1: I'm like, get off me. You're really not sorry. If
Speaker 1: you were sorry, you wouldn't have voted me in. I
Speaker 1: bet I have since talked to it. It's taken months, okay,
Speaker 1: so whatever. Still have not talked to FeSi.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really hard to accept an apology right then
Speaker 2: on the spot after you've been thrown in.
Speaker 1: So mm hmm.
Speaker 3: But I meant at least she had at least she had.
Speaker 2: The decency to say something, to know that you haven't
Speaker 2: even talked to FESTI still to this day.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know what to really make of that,
Speaker 1: but it's kind of like, you know, there may be
Speaker 1: some truth to Ashley's whole thing, Like no, I'm not
Speaker 1: I'm friendly with people because I know what it looks
Speaker 1: like on the other side to be like angry and
Speaker 1: on the defense and to fight with everyone and be
Speaker 1: known as this girl that always pops off or whatever.
Speaker 1: And I've done that before. I'm just in a different
Speaker 1: place where it's like it's okay to be friendly. But yes,
Speaker 1: it might be part of my game, Like you don't
Speaker 1: know who I'm really friends with? Yeah, exactly, my friends know.
Speaker 1: The people that know that I fuck with them already
Speaker 1: know that.
Speaker 2: Well. I'm excited to see if you continue to play
Speaker 2: the game in the future, how you take everything you
Speaker 2: learned from this season and apply it.
Speaker 1: So you'll apply it, You'll apply application, Undula.
Speaker 3: Who do you want to give the All Star of
Speaker 3: the episode two?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: I wanted to make it silly, but I can. I
Speaker 1: want to give it to Katie for creating an incredible
Speaker 1: party for us, for hand blowing all of those balloons
Speaker 1: for the balloon arch with I think maybe Veronica forgetting
Speaker 1: it all together for us so we could have fun.
Speaker 1: So because we needed a break from the game. Yes,
Speaker 1: I agree about you.
Speaker 3: Well, you know what this is obviously.
Speaker 2: I don't like the person that they beat in elimination,
Speaker 2: but I feel like I need to shine some light
Speaker 2: on Adam for competing while super sick. Like we saw
Speaker 2: his bed it was so so sweaty. So I just
Speaker 2: I just feel like it would be very biased if
Speaker 2: I didn't throw some credit to Adam for performing well
Speaker 2: while he was like running in one hundred oh he was.
Speaker 1: He was cracking the worst like sexy dad jokes if
Speaker 1: so fucking bad, but they were. They were funny, but
Speaker 1: there were bad. But you know, I love Adam. Who
Speaker 1: were you most confused by in this episode? Sam? And Frank?
Speaker 1: Oh tell me more when I say, I don't know
Speaker 1: how Frank was pushing her, but she was the only
Speaker 1: person that was doing like literal spins, Like I would
Speaker 1: have vomited at one point if I.
Speaker 2: Could walk a thousand miles not that song.
Speaker 1: Make him Away and walk in fast faith and I'm home.
Speaker 2: Then, dude, whoever's scoring the music on this is trolling
Speaker 2: so hard, it's so funny.
Speaker 1: I think all stars always, I will say also, the
Speaker 1: all star of the episode is the person who does
Speaker 1: the whole soundtrack because we need it. We need it. Actually, yeah,
Speaker 1: it should be a Spotify playlist.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. I loved this episode with the exception of you leaving.
Speaker 2: But I think that you and who you are, you're
Speaker 2: so vulnerable and powerful and always yourself And he said,
Speaker 2: and that's why people love you and adore you.
Speaker 3: And it was nice to see a different side of
Speaker 3: Ashley too.
Speaker 2: Even though you guys went there and there were some
Speaker 2: dark parts to this convo, at least it ended on
Speaker 2: a high note, which I think was like really nice
Speaker 2: to watch as a viewer. So sad to see you go,
Speaker 2: but I get to keep you here for a little
Speaker 2: bit longer because I know we're gonna interview.
Speaker 4: The one and only Katie Cooley after this break, So
Speaker 4: stay tuned, guys, because Anie is not going anywhere yet.
Speaker 1: Hey, folks, we are back, and today we have a
Speaker 1: very very special guest. She is a Challenge Champion. She
Speaker 1: is clearly the Challenge masterclass instructor. She's been on the Gauntlet,
Speaker 1: she won the Inferno. She's been on Battle of the
Speaker 1: Sexes Too, Gauntlet two, Fresh Meat, Gauntlet three, Duel two,
Speaker 1: The Ruins, Cutthroat, Battle of the Errors, and All Stars one,
Speaker 1: All Stars two. Now I'm out of breath, so she's
Speaker 1: clearly very old. Yes, please welcome my dear dear friend,
Speaker 1: Katie Cooley.
Speaker 5: Hello, Hello, Welcome.
Speaker 3: To the podcast.
Speaker 5: Katie.
Speaker 1: It's a pleasure to have you on.
Speaker 5: Thank you, ma'am.
Speaker 1: I didn't know you did so many damn shows.
Speaker 5: Katie, no a loser who does that?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 6: I needs to like what loser just keeps coming back.
Speaker 2: Toy and I I mean, at this point in time,
Speaker 2: you're more than a challenger.
Speaker 3: You are a masterclass instructor.
Speaker 2: I have to say, I think that was my favorite
Speaker 2: part of the episode because.
Speaker 3: The music, I'm like, where's my music from? Like they
Speaker 3: ease it in with the music verse and then and then.
Speaker 2: The title came and I was like, damn, they really
Speaker 2: sold me on that one. Do you feel like Adam
Speaker 2: was a good student?
Speaker 5: Well, the thing is is like Adam and Steve were
Speaker 5: sending it over and over, but when we would finish
Speaker 5: the challenge, we'd get on the bus to go back
Speaker 5: to the house and he'd get on the bus and
Speaker 5: he'd be like anybody thirsty and he's opening them up
Speaker 5: the cooler, throwing out water bottles, sodaes. Does anyone want
Speaker 5: any you know, snacks? And I'm like, dude, these guys
Speaker 5: just sent you in. Don't offer them snacks and ships
Speaker 5: and cookies. I'm like, fuck them. And he's like he's like, oh,
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, So I'm like, you gotta just I'm like,
Speaker 5: the cooler you are, the more likely they are to
Speaker 5: throw you in because you don't cause shit.
Speaker 6: You know, it's like, oh, they'll get over it.
Speaker 5: They'll get over it, they're fine, they won't get mad,
Speaker 5: they'll they'll be great later.
Speaker 1: Well, it didn't help that he also brought friendship bracelets
Speaker 1: and he was like here, everyone, yes, my daughter amazing sweet.
Speaker 5: And that is what I love about him, honestly, is
Speaker 5: like it's very endearing. But I was like, at some point,
Speaker 5: you've got to kind of like let people know, like,
Speaker 5: I'm not your punching bag here. I'm not going to
Speaker 5: be the fall guy every time. And so it was
Speaker 5: kind of like a joke, the master class thing. And
Speaker 5: so I'm sure people at home are.
Speaker 6: Like, what, who does she think she is?
Speaker 5: She hasn't once it's two thousand and three. You're not wrong,
Speaker 5: but I'm not anybody's bitch either, I'll tell you that
Speaker 5: or not.
Speaker 1: And you were on the opposite side of like a
Speaker 1: larger group of people back then like definitely coming for you,
Speaker 1: and you literally shut them up, you know, time and
Speaker 1: time again, which was hilarious because you really didn't give
Speaker 1: a shit. So she's still in there. But it was
Speaker 1: like when you were teaching him and you were like
Speaker 1: you just got a mean mugum and his face was
Speaker 1: like distorted. Oh he got it's so good. He couldn't
Speaker 1: get it.
Speaker 5: He was like, I knows, he's so funny though.
Speaker 6: I mean it's great.
Speaker 5: Like Steve kind of would just like I think Steve
Speaker 5: was a little more, you know, kind of pissed. He
Speaker 5: just kept to himself. But Adam's just a jolly bastard,
Speaker 5: like he's just happy.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I feel like watching that throwback of you on the
Speaker 3: treadmill scared me.
Speaker 2: I was like, holy fucking shit, Katie, I'm here all
Speaker 2: fucking night with the fear of God and everyone.
Speaker 5: Well, it was like back then, the matter I was
Speaker 5: the better I do. So it was like yeah, almost
Speaker 5: you know that. Like if anybody talk shit to me
Speaker 5: during it, I was like ready to like really rip
Speaker 5: faces off. It's harder now because like I like so
Speaker 5: many people. So it's just like, oh, I want to
Speaker 5: give you a hug.
Speaker 1: Don't you want to go back to hating people again.
Speaker 1: I would like that. I liked it.
Speaker 5: I really somebody like call me some names and sold
Speaker 5: me a little bit and then'll rip your head.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I just want to be in my twenties again.
Speaker 1: Not for like the other shit. Maybe maybe for the
Speaker 1: higher ass and tits thing, but like totally Katie knows
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But twenties was like, would.
Speaker 5: You say, but I am proud that we don't act
Speaker 5: that way because I've always said, you know, reality TV
Speaker 5: is a blessing in the sense that you have the
Speaker 5: opportunity to see yourself a third person and so you
Speaker 5: can watch yourself and see those flipouts and go, wow,
Speaker 5: I'm a psycho and I don't like that. I don't
Speaker 5: like the way it makes me look. I don't like
Speaker 5: the way I made somebody else feel, and I don't
Speaker 5: want to do that. And you know, and that was
Speaker 5: evident when you had your argument with Ashley, Like if
Speaker 5: that was twenty two year old you, it would have
Speaker 5: been a whole nother story, you know. But now it's
Speaker 5: just like you were genuinely like, I didn't mean to
Speaker 5: a I'm sorry, and so like I think, I'm.
Speaker 6: Glad we're the way we are now versus then.
Speaker 5: So you know, watching me in an elimination at twenty
Speaker 5: three versus forty three is night and day.
Speaker 1: Excuse me, you choked me out.
Speaker 2: I was just gonna say last time we saw you
Speaker 2: errors and you kicked sanam me, gave me the crotch
Speaker 2: clam slam.
Speaker 1: And and had the death grip on that poll.
Speaker 5: But I still love you.
Speaker 1: I love you. This isn't about love, Katie. I love
Speaker 1: you so much love, But bitch, Katie, scrappy Katie. So
Speaker 1: you did All Stars one, you did two, and then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you're in Battle of the Arras.
Speaker 1: How do you think that compares to All Stars?
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, they couldn't be more different. And I
Speaker 5: will be one hundred percent honest. Doing the flagship is
Speaker 5: next level. I don't have the any part of my
Speaker 5: personality can't handle that. It's you guys are intense. You
Speaker 5: guys are warriors. You live for this shit. I'm just like,
Speaker 5: can I call home? Can I get real food?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I but I mean, you guys, that's like pro
Speaker 5: athlete level. I mean, it really is.
Speaker 6: It's like I'm like I don't go here.
Speaker 5: Like I'm like I don't belong here. I feel like
Speaker 5: All Stars is like the Senior Misfits. You know, It's
Speaker 5: just like and then you know, I think, like Tory
Speaker 5: probably fucking kill it on there, you know, and like,
Speaker 5: there's a lot of people that will do really well.
Speaker 5: But I mean, yeah, just the the flagship is night
Speaker 5: and day. Uh, with the intensity, the hours, the rules
Speaker 5: in the house, it's just like wow, I mean it's fair.
Speaker 2: How do you feel like this particular challenge went. I
Speaker 2: know that you guys were swinging on the top of
Speaker 2: the trucks, and I know you and Veronica had your
Speaker 2: own experience.
Speaker 3: With it, but like, what was it like your own experience?
Speaker 1: Honestly, I'm gonna be honest with even you need experience.
Speaker 3: But we did this. We did a very similar one
Speaker 3: on eras, Yes you did.
Speaker 5: I saw it and I shut.
Speaker 2: The bet on it as an individual, like, it is
Speaker 2: hard and I can't imagine what it's like doing it
Speaker 2: with a partner. Talk to us a little bit about
Speaker 2: what it was like to work with Veronica on this one,
Speaker 2: and then also like let's get into what it was
Speaker 2: like to work with Veronica in general.
Speaker 3: Like kind of like catch us up to speed a
Speaker 3: bit like are you.
Speaker 2: Guys cool now and was it were you excited to
Speaker 2: work with her?
Speaker 3: And then we'll get into the challenge.
Speaker 5: Okay, My big rivalry with Veronica was back in the
Speaker 5: early two thousands, like two thousand and three. That was
Speaker 5: twenty twenty five, so it's very old. And obviously I
Speaker 5: don't carry any animosity from those years.
Speaker 6: Neither does she. That would be really weird if I did.
Speaker 5: I'm esw dare you screw me over twenty years ago?
Speaker 5: But uh, you know, we've seen each other again, like
Speaker 5: a handful of times. We've always been corporial and friendly.
Speaker 5: So I was probably more excited to work with her
Speaker 5: than she was to work with me, because I know
Speaker 5: she is very good at the gameplay, and so I think,
Speaker 5: you know, we were always on the same page as
Speaker 5: we played this game, so I was I was excited
Speaker 5: about that. We got along great. We you know, people
Speaker 5: be outside working out and we'd be putting on our
Speaker 5: red light therapy mask.
Speaker 1: You know, Oh my god, that's such a scary room
Speaker 1: to walk into. They just be masked up.
Speaker 5: You didn't give a shit. Everybody else is busting their
Speaker 5: ass like doing all these things, and I'm like, oh, yeah.
Speaker 6: Do you what kind of facials do you have in holes?
Speaker 5: And we yeah. So it's just funny because we were
Speaker 5: on the same page and that it was I was
Speaker 5: very happy, believe it or not.
Speaker 1: Do you think that you guys, out of all of
Speaker 1: the pairs, are the best politically?
Speaker 5: No, I mean I give everybody credit in their own way.
Speaker 5: It's all and I think you both know this. It
Speaker 5: depends on the season, It depends on the players. You
Speaker 5: could be amazing in one game and completely shit the
Speaker 5: bed in the next. It's just it's got to be
Speaker 5: a perfect storm of the players you're in. So, I mean,
Speaker 5: I think in one game you could just yeah, like
Speaker 5: kill it and be like, oh, this is so great.
Speaker 5: In another game not at all. So it's just dependent
Speaker 5: on the game.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 2: I mean, you have been viciously protecting Steven Adam, you know,
Speaker 2: because like, you guys are ogs. So it seems like
Speaker 2: in this particular case, there obviously are numbers that aren't
Speaker 2: in their favor. But do you think that necessarily translates
Speaker 2: to your game?
Speaker 3: Oh for sure, don't spoil anything for us, But right.
Speaker 5: Well, we knew that they had a pretty high chance
Speaker 5: of woinning, especially when other people are stupid enough to
Speaker 5: keep throwing in girl teams. Of course, Adam and Steve
Speaker 5: are gonna beat Anissa and Ashley.
Speaker 6: They're men.
Speaker 5: Well, well, most, okay, not always. You know, girls have
Speaker 5: beat guys, yes, girl, So I knew that they would
Speaker 5: never throw me in, and then they just don't like
Speaker 5: to play the game. So me and Ronica would just
Speaker 5: kind of get in their ear about what to do. Hey,
Speaker 5: this is if you win this, who are sending in?
Speaker 5: If you win? This is what we're doing. Da da
Speaker 5: da dah. And they were like, okay, okay, they didn't care.
Speaker 3: That's pretty cool.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't care either if you get getting thrown in.
Speaker 1: I'm doing everything because what's what's the worst thing that
Speaker 1: could happen? What are you guys gonna try and throw
Speaker 1: me in again? And then I'll send somebody else home.
Speaker 6: I said, why are why put in? Weak?
Speaker 5: People? Like those are who you want at the end
Speaker 5: so you have a higher chance of beating them. Your
Speaker 5: old men, you got to run for a long time.
Speaker 5: Don't you want to go against me and Veronica or
Speaker 5: Frank and Sam? Or do you want to go like
Speaker 5: at Leroy and Devon?
Speaker 1: You know, right, Bessie, I think that we're having this
Speaker 1: and I don't know if you agree with it, Katie,
Speaker 1: but this class, now that you've been on the flagship
Speaker 1: too this clash of playing, like different styles of play
Speaker 1: where you know, I know that a lot of people
Speaker 1: in the Flagship are like, I want to run with
Speaker 1: the best.
Speaker 6: Yes, it's a lie, I can't be possible. Come on, Like.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of us are very proud, so
Speaker 1: it's easy to say, like I want to go against
Speaker 1: the best.
Speaker 6: Yauh, the second week is the show best?
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but at the end kind of I don't
Speaker 1: want it to be completely impossible, you know.
Speaker 5: And I appreciated Amber, who said to me, she goes,
Speaker 5: I will keep you here the entire time. She's like,
Speaker 5: she said it to me, and I just smiled. I'm like, great,
Speaker 5: I will play the week one. I am the week
Speaker 5: one in this game. Sure that works for me, you know.
Speaker 5: But she said it right off the bat, like she
Speaker 5: doesn't want to get rid of the so called weak people.
Speaker 5: She was ready to kind of make bigger moves I
Speaker 5: think than FESSI was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't know what he was doing, but
Speaker 1: we'll get to that later.
Speaker 5: But she, you know, she's a mom. She's got shit
Speaker 5: at home, Like she was like, no, let's make the
Speaker 5: bold moves. And so many people, you included, are too
Speaker 5: loyal in the game.
Speaker 6: And it fucks you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so do you want to go and make this
Speaker 1: baby because I feel like once I have the kid,
Speaker 1: I might just kill somebody and they're just throw everybody
Speaker 1: in elimination at once.
Speaker 5: Well, I mean I just chose really from the beginning,
Speaker 5: me and Ronica on the same page. Adam and Steve.
Speaker 5: You just got to kind of pick it until you
Speaker 5: can't anymore. And we were very clear about that. But
Speaker 5: you can't do it with so many people because then others, like,
Speaker 5: you know, so we were I mean I would tell
Speaker 5: whoever I sent into their face like sorry, I'm setting
Speaker 5: you in cause you're better than me. That's it. That's
Speaker 5: the whole reason. And they would come up to me
Speaker 5: knowing like I don't want to ruin the future, but you.
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, yeah, stop ruining our future.
Speaker 6: Yeah that's wow. Okay, do you think yourself?
Speaker 1: I don't want to ruin your future, guys.
Speaker 5: The future episode is what.
Speaker 2: Totally what do you I'm just curious, like, what do
Speaker 2: you think out of all of the new schoolers, who
Speaker 2: do you like the most on this season?
Speaker 3: Who did you vibe with?
Speaker 2: I know you mentioned Amber, like did were you guys?
Speaker 2: Getting close or did it feel like more gameplay or
Speaker 2: what is your perception.
Speaker 3: Of the new schoolers coming into All Stars five.
Speaker 5: I really I loved Salmon, Salm and Frank And maybe
Speaker 5: they're not new schoolers, but this was like my first
Speaker 5: time meeting them. Nicole and Melissa like hilarious. I just like,
Speaker 5: are you funny?
Speaker 6: Are you gonna make me laugh?
Speaker 5: Like anybody who wants to talk game, I will walk
Speaker 5: out of the room like that is so o yeah.
Speaker 5: I get snow bored. I'm like, tell me about your job,
Speaker 5: tell me about your life, what do you do?
Speaker 6: Blah blah blah.
Speaker 5: But if they're like, you know what, I ran six
Speaker 5: laps around the pool and I won fifteen challenges, I'm like, bye,
Speaker 5: get out go.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Like that is the most boring shit in the
Speaker 6: world to.
Speaker 3: Me, totally.
Speaker 5: Now, anybody who was like not talking about that, then
Speaker 5: I you know, but I liked a lot of people.
Speaker 6: I really did.
Speaker 5: I liked the entire house, even the people that might
Speaker 5: feel like I betrayed them, even though you know, I
Speaker 5: try to be honest.
Speaker 1: Are you giving it away again? Are you're ruining the
Speaker 1: future of the children? And are in America you rewind Okay,
Speaker 1: I want to know because I remember you getting back
Speaker 1: on the on the bus. This is when we did
Speaker 1: the Sam's Sleeveless Flannel conversation, and you were like you
Speaker 1: came with a bus. You're like, we did so well.
Speaker 5: When I was lying obviously.
Speaker 1: Like how many did you get? You were like none?
Speaker 1: How when you got before you guys got up onto
Speaker 1: the truck and you knew what we had to do.
Speaker 1: Did you think that because you were, you know, smaller
Speaker 1: little baby arms, maybe you'd fly through the air. No.
Speaker 5: I actually, first of all, to be honest, I was
Speaker 5: like more impressed with anything that I was willing to
Speaker 5: do it, because usually I just cry. So I was like,
Speaker 5: I'm going to be brave and strong and I'm just
Speaker 5: gonna get pushed off. And I didn't really care about
Speaker 5: the fucking rings, to be honest, I was just like
Speaker 5: I wanted to do it to prove to myself and say, look,
Speaker 5: I was pushed off a semi because I haven't said
Speaker 5: that since two thousand and three, so because I always
Speaker 5: just say nope, but no, I was nervous, but I
Speaker 5: couldn't reach that short. I'm sure it's it.
Speaker 3: Wasn't for you guys.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but we did. I did try. I really did
Speaker 5: try to reach for it, but it was like almost
Speaker 5: a joke because I was like we were laughing the
Speaker 5: whole time because I was like, I look like an
Speaker 5: oopa lupa.
Speaker 1: It was just terrible, the tiny little limbs though I
Speaker 1: didn't realize that your that your extremities were so short. Yes,
Speaker 1: by one y'all the strongest hands, though she would have
Speaker 1: if she would have touched them, she would have wound
Speaker 1: the whole thing down. Yeah, every one of them.
Speaker 2: I forgot you had a fear of heights this challenge
Speaker 2: because like typically we know, it's very clear.
Speaker 3: They do a whole montage about it.
Speaker 2: You see your buddy nose, you know, And this time
Speaker 2: it was like, oh, wait a minute, you just got
Speaker 2: it there and did it.
Speaker 1: I was actually like I forgot.
Speaker 3: Until right now that you have a fear.
Speaker 2: So was it as scary as like you anticipated it
Speaker 2: would have been.
Speaker 3: Are you happy that you did it?
Speaker 5: I was very happy that I did it. I was
Speaker 5: very nervous. But again, when I've watched back previous seasons
Speaker 5: of like All Stars and stuff, I'm like annoyed with myself,
Speaker 5: especially when I have a night year old who's looking
Speaker 5: at me like I'm the most pathetic mom. It's not
Speaker 5: what you guys know is the most annoying thing. When
Speaker 5: people like to come up to you and be.
Speaker 6: Like, oh, I could have done it.
Speaker 5: I'm like I want to stab at you in the face,
Speaker 5: like shut up, like shut up, just shut up.
Speaker 6: And so because everybody's.
Speaker 3: Like I could do that, everyone's couch quarterback or whatever
Speaker 3: they call it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's so annoying. But you know, my daughter's like, Mom,
Speaker 5: you didn't even try. And then I'm like, oh God,
Speaker 5: like that, that's when it kind of goes Wait. So
Speaker 5: I was like, if I'm actually gonna go, because this
Speaker 5: was filmed shortly after forty, I was like, if I'm
Speaker 5: gonna go, I'm really gonna try try. I'm gonna make
Speaker 5: myself do the things that I normally would never do.
Speaker 5: And so that's what I did. I was like, I'm
Speaker 5: gonna try, you guys, and.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, i'll tell you one thing. You succeeded with
Speaker 1: this fucking eighties party. Now, Katie, I'll let you explain
Speaker 1: all of the demands you had on the list. Good,
Speaker 1: oh god, you get it.
Speaker 6: Well, I went to production.
Speaker 5: I'm like, I would like to create a balloon arch,
Speaker 5: and so I gave him a list to order things online.
Speaker 3: I was, oh, so you're the party planner.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I always.
Speaker 5: Actually Andsa will tell you I'm always the party of planners.
Speaker 1: Always every club she writes the list. Remember for All
Speaker 1: Stars one where she was like, you can't get in?
Speaker 6: Yes, that was that's been going on.
Speaker 1: That's been going on since the early two thousands. You
Speaker 1: haven't people in the club?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I especially Durell. He's never coming in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's not.
Speaker 5: I don't want to change the subject, but and he said,
Speaker 5: that was the time that you and I were crying
Speaker 5: laughing because he helped us move all the furniture for
Speaker 5: our nightclub, and then we wouldn't let him in.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's perfect. He didn't get an invite on it.
Speaker 3: Darryl.
Speaker 1: Yes, so gross, but so great favorite son. So Katie,
Speaker 1: we're in the middle of Vietnam, so go ahead.
Speaker 5: Yes.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So I'm like, we need to make a balloon arch.
Speaker 5: It'd be really cool if we can get a shacouterie board.
Speaker 5: And our talent got Richard Ard the best. He totally
Speaker 5: pulled it off. We had like chakuderie boards and music
Speaker 5: and it was just silly. We had dance contest, popping
Speaker 5: balloons between bodies and it was just it's fun.
Speaker 1: They skipped my favorite part.
Speaker 5: So Katie, can it my lap dance, the lapt dance
Speaker 5: from break?
Speaker 3: Tell me? Tell me?
Speaker 1: I need to know, So Frank, I don't know. So
Speaker 1: we all brought these outfits because we were also going
Speaker 1: to like have Kelly Anne's bachelorette party and then we
Speaker 1: were gonna have one for Nannie and all this shit,
Speaker 1: and we brought all of these like eighties prom dress.
Speaker 1: I remember Katie and I were buying ours on Amazon
Speaker 1: before we left. Katie's was so fucking long, yeah, so bad.
Speaker 1: So Frank had this tailored like purple suit and like
Speaker 1: the shag wig, and he just looked really hot like
Speaker 1: that was his time. Well, he gives Katie a lap
Speaker 1: dance and she hands out I mean, and Frank is gay.
Speaker 1: Frank is so gay, so gay. He's just like giving
Speaker 1: her butt, like giving her dance whatever, and her hands
Speaker 1: are out like this like she's like I am married.
Speaker 1: We were like Katie, it's Frank. And her hands were
Speaker 1: like this.
Speaker 3: Like being respectful at the club.
Speaker 1: No, her hands were like hyper extended.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I had my arms like spread out.
Speaker 1: Katie gets like psychotic hands.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were just spreading, like didn't want to touch
Speaker 2: him because you were so nervous that you were going
Speaker 2: to get.
Speaker 1: And didn't touch the chair.
Speaker 5: She was like, yeah, no, it's just yeah. I was
Speaker 5: just like, oh gosh, how will this look? You know, like, yeah,
Speaker 5: that's what I thought, like if it was.
Speaker 6: But they didn't even hear it.
Speaker 3: So well they didn't air it, you know what they didn't.
Speaker 3: You know what they did air. I'm not going to
Speaker 3: say it, but I gotta say it.
Speaker 1: And he's a bomb chick. Well, you know what's crazy
Speaker 1: is because I was giving a whole strip teast to
Speaker 1: Big Tea before that, and then Big Tea came over
Speaker 1: and sat next to me and Big t kissed me
Speaker 1: and she was like, I love you, because you know,
Speaker 1: Big Tea falls in love in two seconds, which makes
Speaker 1: her so funny.
Speaker 3: She's a lover.
Speaker 6: She is a great person.
Speaker 1: She's like, so you do it later, like I'm going
Speaker 1: to bed and then just Sam out of nowhere, because
Speaker 1: Sam's type is typically like blonde and like Melissa, you know,
Speaker 1: so yeah, so that's that. Well, I'm glad you.
Speaker 2: We looked like you had a great time, and I'm
Speaker 2: happy my girl had a good time.
Speaker 3: That's all I cared about.
Speaker 1: Katie.
Speaker 3: Did you know what happened in the house or did
Speaker 3: you find out right now?
Speaker 5: I know, I mean I knew about it, but it
Speaker 5: just didn't seem like a big deal. Yeah, Like it
Speaker 5: was just like having a good time. It wasn't like
Speaker 5: a big thing. So I'm surprised it got as much
Speaker 5: airtime as it did. To be honest, I'm.
Speaker 1: Surprised it didn't get more airtime because there was a
Speaker 1: conversation the next morning and then that I just was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, just just let it, just let it be.
Speaker 1: We are adults.
Speaker 3: What was the conversation the next morning?
Speaker 1: Oh, Frank went down and just like spilled all types
Speaker 1: of tea.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 1: So by the time I went to breakfast, Oh, everyone knew.
Speaker 1: Everyone knew Frank. It's like thanks Frankie was like I
Speaker 1: was bored. Yeah, I'm like totally accept that Frank was
Speaker 1: one of my closest friends. Like, he's great, it's Frank.
Speaker 5: I would have ran around the house and told people
Speaker 5: to come into the room. Of course, you would have
Speaker 5: let's watch because I'm a pervert.
Speaker 1: I guess.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 1: I think Veronica and Frank came to the door. So
Speaker 1: when I was like, nothing happened, they were like.
Speaker 5: Which is so well, that's the funny thing. It's like
Speaker 5: you're on a challenge and then you just revert to
Speaker 5: being like fifteen, You're like, they're kissing. Let's look where
Speaker 5: it's so true, you know, it would be hilarious like
Speaker 5: a TikTok if people were like, let's act like we
Speaker 5: do on the challenge in a real life that would
Speaker 5: be the funniest thing where it's just like, hey, hey,
Speaker 5: Katie and your husband are kie. Tell everyone and then you're.
Speaker 1: Like, we'd be literally literal babies, right, and then we
Speaker 1: do everything competitively.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, where you're like, Katie, I got the mail
Speaker 5: twice today because I even got a package. What did
Speaker 5: you do? You know, just like stupid stuff three times
Speaker 5: to get the remote?
Speaker 3: All right, we have to take a quick Break'll be
Speaker 3: right back after this.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's get back to the show.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I feel like watching this party, like, I loved everyone's outfits.
Speaker 2: I'm happy to know that there was a lot of
Speaker 2: prep that went into it. I think Nanni's outfit may
Speaker 2: have been my favorite. But Anissa, your look was incredible.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, you looked great.
Speaker 3: You crushed it. You crushed it.
Speaker 1: Boo.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so no wonder why you had a great night
Speaker 2: like you was looking Faya, he was looking good.
Speaker 1: It was my It was my half a half down
Speaker 1: high side pony and pink dress.
Speaker 5: I liked it.
Speaker 1: I really went in for it, like I've really committed
Speaker 1: to it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, she spent thirty eight dollars at Amazon.
Speaker 3: Honestly, you guys are gonna need to.
Speaker 2: Drop your Amazon storefronts with all of everything you bought
Speaker 2: for this season.
Speaker 1: I will whoever wants a dress. I mean, I do
Speaker 1: have a code thing.
Speaker 5: Somebody could just have bite. I think it's put it
Speaker 5: with my Christmas tree. I don't even know what I did.
Speaker 1: Put the lights inside to protect the lights.
Speaker 5: You know, you.
Speaker 3: Guys really went hard for the party. But I noticed,
Speaker 3: and I think we all noticed, Steve did not. Did
Speaker 3: he show up down there at all?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Him and Adam definitely came down. Didn't Steve have
Speaker 1: like no shirt on? He had like.
Speaker 5: A light blue and it buttoned like halfway down his chest.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, we all danced We had a good time.
Speaker 1: I mean shout out to Richard though for those charcuterie boards,
Speaker 1: because god was they were handcrafted and they were gorgeous,
Speaker 1: so thank you.
Speaker 5: And I was walking around like an event coordinator being like,
Speaker 5: this looks good.
Speaker 6: Can we push this back a little bit?
Speaker 5: No? No, no, no, no, who put this here? I don't want
Speaker 5: it here? That's not where I would have put it.
Speaker 1: So basically Katie was home because that's exactly how Katie
Speaker 1: would be at home. We literally turned our living room
Speaker 1: into Katie's.
Speaker 5: Home, nice, changing everything, use just.
Speaker 1: Anything Katie wanted. She was like, by the way, can
Speaker 1: we have new couches? I don't like these?
Speaker 5: I did move shit around, I want to know.
Speaker 2: Getting into the rest of the voting and after this party,
Speaker 2: which was so fun to watch, everybody gets into nominations
Speaker 2: and Steven Adams just volunteered themselves.
Speaker 3: Katie, you're very close with them.
Speaker 2: Did you know that this was the route they were
Speaker 2: going to go, especially after you had already just talked
Speaker 2: to Adam about trying to be a little bit more
Speaker 2: vicious or at least terrifying.
Speaker 5: Yeah, slightly intimidating. Yes, we knew, and it was something
Speaker 5: that he suggested, but he was wanting to go against
Speaker 5: a strong team. He felt like, if I'm going to
Speaker 5: be here, I want to get rid of strong players
Speaker 5: and increase my chances. Or if I can't beat them,
Speaker 5: you know that old saying. If I can't beat Gen
Speaker 5: and elimination, can't be gena final. So he was kind
Speaker 5: of trying to see, you know what, maybe they would do,
Speaker 5: but it wasn't you enough that I guarantee you that.
Speaker 1: Well, I heard who they wanted, and then a little
Speaker 1: birdie told me after the season was over that Adam
Speaker 1: wanted me anyway.
Speaker 6: Really, I swear to god, I didn't know that, so that.
Speaker 1: I was friends with Yeah, oh, so that I was
Speaker 1: friends with everyone.
Speaker 5: Y'all have the wrong person on this podcast.
Speaker 3: Well, you know what, that's not gonna stop us from
Speaker 3: having Adam on in the future.
Speaker 1: He's still on the show.
Speaker 3: He will be grilled.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you should ask him. But I honestly didn't know that.
Speaker 1: So what I happened was I I Adam and I
Speaker 1: are cool, and had I walked into this challenge differently,
Speaker 1: maybe I would have worked with him, but I was
Speaker 1: already with Leroy and Devin. I didn't think that needed
Speaker 1: to be said.
Speaker 5: You know what I mean, I knew you were, which
Speaker 5: is why I didn't share with you that that's who
Speaker 5: I wanted them to go against.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they wanted that too, So they told me,
Speaker 1: I don't care, like what, I can't make that happen.
Speaker 1: So and I wouldn't because telling me doesn't change anything,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So, and I think there
Speaker 1: was a level of clearly of respect between Adam and I,
Speaker 1: and I think that maybe I gave him too much
Speaker 1: credit of being like the nice guy and not thinking
Speaker 1: he was capable of it. But after he was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I want Leroy and Devon because you know, we want
Speaker 1: to go against another I was like, yeah, go against
Speaker 1: another star holder and then toss that star to your people,
Speaker 1: you know, or whatever happens, because we still don't know
Speaker 1: what happens if two star holders go against one another. Right.
Speaker 1: So the Birdie then told me that there were a
Speaker 1: lot of people in Amber Infestie's ear. I e them.
Speaker 1: I guess that said that they wanted us, So like
Speaker 1: maybe on TV, you know, make sure you say I
Speaker 1: want the Guy Guide team, but really be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: just send me, just send me the girls.
Speaker 6: But I honestly don't to be fine, I don't.
Speaker 1: It's hard to believe because.
Speaker 5: Why if I wanted to go against like girls and not,
Speaker 5: I wouldn't even waste my time having a conversation with
Speaker 5: the Amber INFESTI I wouldn't even bothered saying that because
Speaker 5: he went in and told them.
Speaker 6: Devin and Leroy, that would be really risky move to do.
Speaker 5: I think, you know, because they could have been like,
Speaker 5: oh perfect, It.
Speaker 1: Just didn't we didn't make sense, you know.
Speaker 2: So I'm just trying to think of the pitch that
Speaker 2: Steven Adam gave. They said they wanted to go against
Speaker 2: the star holders. So as of right now, the holding
Speaker 2: the people who have stars are Nanni and Turbo.
Speaker 1: Ashley and Dario Ashley.
Speaker 2: And Dario, Steven Adam and then who's definitely Roy Definitely right, Okay,
Speaker 2: So FESSI and Amber are not going to say nanny.
Speaker 1: Because right there's Amber's relationship.
Speaker 3: They're off the table. There's still some up in the
Speaker 3: air on Devin.
Speaker 2: I think the Leroy amberline is that strong, like is
Speaker 2: there a good relationship there?
Speaker 1: So I think that we were all going to work
Speaker 1: together until we couldn't, you know what, I mean, so
Speaker 1: it was just like respect one another because we've been
Speaker 1: playing a lot together over the past few years. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I have no idea, but I think that there should
Speaker 1: have been a few more conversations, clearly, but like if
Speaker 1: it were like, oh, we're going to Votekatie and Broonicana,
Speaker 1: but like absolutely not, you know what I mean. Like,
Speaker 1: but it didn't get to that point. And I knew
Speaker 1: that you guys had more time, so like I wasn't
Speaker 1: really worried about that, but you know, like for the
Speaker 1: relationships that were really important to me, like, don't there's
Speaker 1: certain people, like it shouldn't be a surprise if I
Speaker 1: don't want to vote them in.
Speaker 3: That makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know, but that was like a hand
Speaker 1: that was a handful of people that wasn't just because
Speaker 1: I'm friendly with the whole house doesn't mean I actually
Speaker 1: want to play a game with him, for sure. Those
Speaker 1: are two totally different fucking things.
Speaker 3: Frank is literally the spokesperson for that right now.
Speaker 1: He's like, I'll fucking tell you, I love you, will
Speaker 1: be best. He's it's my baby.
Speaker 3: And he's killing it. He's so funny this season.
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, he's awesome.
Speaker 2: Him crying and the confessional was so sweet, like you
Speaker 2: can see he has such a genuine heart, like as
Speaker 2: much as he wants to pay himself to be a
Speaker 2: puppeteer villain, like he's you can see the angel in him,
Speaker 2: you really can.
Speaker 5: Oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's still he's still a game gamer, still
Speaker 1: a game still a gamer, which is incredible. Yeah, I said,
Speaker 1: make them believe it, honey. Yeah, best friends forever.
Speaker 2: So, Katie, just to clarify, you had zero clue that
Speaker 2: Anissa was getting thrown into this line domination.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I had no idea if they had. If
Speaker 5: I did know, I definitely would have given her a
Speaker 5: heads up.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I would have been like, hey, just so you know,
Speaker 6: But I did.
Speaker 5: I had no idea.
Speaker 1: Yeah I knew you. I mean I knew you would
Speaker 1: have told me I had the poops and Ashley did too,
Speaker 1: and I think our intuition just went off. We knew
Speaker 1: really don't want to believe it.
Speaker 5: You told me on the bus, Yeah, she said on
Speaker 5: the bus, she goes that a feeling it's me and
Speaker 5: I would I would it be you because I knew
Speaker 5: you and FESSI were friends. I didn't know who it
Speaker 5: would be, but I felt like it was reaching for
Speaker 5: them to give Devin and Leroy to Adam and Steve
Speaker 5: that early in the game.
Speaker 1: MM, I definitely think that there were other options besides
Speaker 1: me and Ashley for sure.
Speaker 2: For sure it is it is really tough to be
Speaker 2: thrown in like that, and I know, like, you know,
Speaker 2: you and FESTI do have this history and there are
Speaker 2: some stains, and you know you've done things to him
Speaker 2: in the game, He's done things to you now, so
Speaker 2: I feel like it's just kind of one of those things.
Speaker 2: But now that you're in the elimination, you and Ashley
Speaker 2: like seeing what it was obviously like having arm strength
Speaker 2: and like.
Speaker 3: Being a bigger person. I felt like was going to
Speaker 3: be huge for this.
Speaker 2: But I think what ended up being the biggest factor
Speaker 2: was actually not having on her goggles.
Speaker 3: Did you know that she took them off?
Speaker 2: And I also tried to like glance over at Steve
Speaker 2: and it looked like Steve wasn't wearing goggles either, but
Speaker 2: I couldn't like really tell I want to go back
Speaker 2: and rewind and like zoom in, so do you think
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously Ashley wears contacts too, so that's very different.
Speaker 1: So do I. But that's why I kept the goggles on.
Speaker 5: But you were definitely better at the blocking for sure,
Speaker 5: Maybe because she didn't have on the goggles because it
Speaker 5: started off where we weren't sure.
Speaker 1: I could hear Adam screaming though, like he was like,
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, you have three minutes where you just
Speaker 1: have to keep your arms up resisting water.
Speaker 5: It's not and your move in the entire time, it's
Speaker 5: not one st Yeah right.
Speaker 1: It's not easy, Like your arms do start to wear
Speaker 1: after the first one. You're like, fuck, oh for sure.
Speaker 5: Oh I feel when I reached for a canapringles, Katie,
Speaker 5: how do you.
Speaker 3: Think you would have done in this elimination?
Speaker 5: I would just like to hold the hose. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 5: good on raising my arms for three minutes trying to
Speaker 5: dodge things. Yeah, I don't know. But see, like sometimes
Speaker 5: I surprise myself with something like that. It's like you're strong,
Speaker 5: But it's also like, hey, guess what, I'm really good
Speaker 5: at blocking water with the star shaped shield?
Speaker 6: How about you?
Speaker 5: Like, no one knows until they get into it. So
Speaker 5: it's like I wouldn't particularly love that one, but I.
Speaker 1: Mean I would be like you do orange theory, Katie,
Speaker 1: Come on, well.
Speaker 5: I used to. I need to probably get back into it,
Speaker 5: but but I mean i'd hold the hose and just
Speaker 5: spray like that sounds love that. Yeah, I'd probably call
Speaker 5: your names the whole time to just entertain myself, my
Speaker 5: own partner, Like, how do you like that? Bitch?
Speaker 2: I feel like you got No matter how you would
Speaker 2: have performed, it would have been fun to watch. That's
Speaker 2: a fact. And that's half the reason why we're on
Speaker 2: the show is to be entertaining.
Speaker 3: So there's a.
Speaker 2: Trophy in there somewhere, somewhere somewhere. What did you think
Speaker 2: of Adam's mean face after?
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, he's just so silly. But I mean,
Speaker 5: I loved it. I was like, sitting there, he's doing it,
Speaker 5: and I'm like, I was. I think I told a
Speaker 5: handful of people like, uh, Melissa, Nicole and Veronica and Devon.
Speaker 5: I was like, oh my gosh, he's got to just,
Speaker 5: you know, not look like a little jolly guy every time.
Speaker 6: He's maybe kind of just like now, now, what's up?
Speaker 5: But yeah, he can't do it, and you know what,
Speaker 5: I'm glad he doesn't because it's him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it wouldn't It wouldn't be it wouldn't be authentic.
Speaker 1: Started doing that. No, and Steve.
Speaker 5: Always may watch his face every time like he gets
Speaker 5: the elimination. It's always he does this shruggy like, uh,
Speaker 5: you just hooked me up at a bed and I
Speaker 5: gotta do this now.
Speaker 1: It's like it's him wrapping every limb though, yes, neon
Speaker 1: tape and two knee pads, elbow pads, headband, back brace.
Speaker 6: Oh for sure.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was like to puts a lot into it. He
Speaker 2: puts a lot into it. I mean I give him
Speaker 2: a lot of credit. Like and like his flashback of
Speaker 2: showing what happened on All Stars four, like he's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's been on my mind every single every single day.
Speaker 3: I mean that's a lot. I'm sure he's exaggerating a.
Speaker 5: Bit, but like he's thinking about it right now.
Speaker 1: He's thinking about it right now, you know my journaling.
Speaker 5: But that's probably his drive on this one is to
Speaker 5: be like for Shore while he's in that moment on
Speaker 5: All Star spot it probably was something he thought about
Speaker 5: a lot, but exactly Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean I get it.
Speaker 2: I feel like it's it's definitely difficult to take an
Speaker 2: l that close to the end for sure. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: it is, especially when you're going up against strong teams,
Speaker 2: which brings me to my next question. What do you
Speaker 2: think about Frank calling you.
Speaker 3: Guys a week team at the end of the episode.
Speaker 5: I totally agree with him. We talked, Yeah, like we
Speaker 5: talked about it all the time. It was like our joke,
Speaker 5: We're like, who sucks more? You guys are us, and
Speaker 5: we're like, I don't know. And then after a challenge
Speaker 5: would be like, I think you guys did worse, Like no, mate,
Speaker 5: Well yeah, well maybe he did. It was a joke
Speaker 5: in a house that's pretty hard. Yeah. So, but again,
Speaker 5: those aren't the kinds of things that offend me.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Why I'm always like, am I on the wrong show?
Speaker 6: Because so it's like, you're not very good at this.
Speaker 5: I'm like, Okay, if I can keep myself out elimination,
Speaker 5: I'd say I'm good at something.
Speaker 3: It's a fact.
Speaker 1: Right there we go.
Speaker 2: So, Katie, was there any behind the scenes that you
Speaker 2: can share from this episode that we didn't see.
Speaker 3: Or you could tease about. You could tease about the future,
Speaker 3: but just no spoilers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't ruin the future for Americans.
Speaker 5: I know what an asshole thing to say.
Speaker 1: I don't want to ruin your future.
Speaker 6: Wow.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 5: Well, something that I thought was cool is the All
Speaker 5: Stars five house was about five minutes away from the
Speaker 5: challenge forty Castle.
Speaker 3: Dude, you know what.
Speaker 2: Anissa mentioned this, and I keep looking now from the
Speaker 2: outside shot, I'm like, okay, what direction was it?
Speaker 3: Like, if we're looking at the back of the house,
Speaker 3: was to the rights.
Speaker 1: Of the left. If you're on top of the back, yeah,
Speaker 1: if you're on the top the top floor, right and
Speaker 1: we're looking this, we're looking out this way.
Speaker 2: I was like, over here, okay, so it's to the
Speaker 2: back left, yes, okay, okay.
Speaker 5: Okay, I have a future little thing.
Speaker 1: Oh all right.
Speaker 5: The challenge next week takes place in the deliberation room
Speaker 5: of the Castle from season forty.
Speaker 1: Which was the place on Earth. So I hope you
Speaker 1: guys did, okay because it was sweltering.
Speaker 5: So yeah, yeah, so you'll like viewers will recognize the
Speaker 5: steps and everything. There's not the deliberation table, obviously they
Speaker 5: set it up different. But when we went there for
Speaker 5: that challenge and I was telling the other cast, oh
Speaker 5: my gosh, you know, like this was the forty house,
Speaker 5: and they drained the pool. They took down all the
Speaker 5: red lanterns. It looked completely different. It was so weird.
Speaker 5: Oh really it looked dead and like it was crazy
Speaker 5: how much they are Like set design made that backyard
Speaker 5: look amazing, but all the walls, everything was gone, the turf,
Speaker 5: the grass, the lantern, it was string lights, all of
Speaker 5: it and was the pool was drained. So I'm like,
Speaker 5: oh my gosh, you guys, this was actually like one
Speaker 5: of my favorite backyards on a lot of the shows
Speaker 5: that have done.
Speaker 1: Wow. Right, we spent most of the time in the
Speaker 1: fucking pool.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So it's weird because we were like right in
Speaker 5: front of it, and it looked completely different once they
Speaker 5: had to return it to its original state.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Fun fact, well that is if I'm backed, and I'll
Speaker 2: tell you right now, I would never want to return
Speaker 2: to that deliberation room, and especially not to drink whatever
Speaker 2: it is they were throwing up, Like.
Speaker 1: I want to know what was in there.
Speaker 6: Well, whoever your guest is next week.
Speaker 1: Fuck off, Katie, I'll call you right now.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, it was gross, but with this one, like
Speaker 5: it's just interesting. It's like the trivia and I think
Speaker 5: everybody likes the trivia stuff.
Speaker 3: Totally. Everyone loves trivia, especially.
Speaker 5: TJ, because you know, people just get so heated and
Speaker 5: pissed and offended, and like I sitting there, I was like,
Speaker 5: I love it, like I love love being in it
Speaker 5: watching people.
Speaker 2: Totally same except for throwing up. But other than that,
Speaker 2: I am excited for next season or the next episode.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's fun.
Speaker 1: I will say, you're not. I don't want to ruin
Speaker 1: the future for everyone, but hopefully.
Speaker 6: We have a big ship starting next week.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm excited. I'm excited to see if you and
Speaker 1: Veronica get super political, make some moves, win a challenge,
Speaker 1: get an argument.
Speaker 6: I don't know how you're reaching now, you're reaching, damn it.
Speaker 1: So besides this season, because clearly we're just getting into it,
Speaker 1: would you do anymore All Stars after this?
Speaker 6: I probably?
Speaker 5: I did have a great experience on this one. You
Speaker 5: know I loved All Stars one too.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: All Stars one was great and this one was a
Speaker 5: great time. It really matters to me a lot of
Speaker 5: who the cast is. And I feel like when people
Speaker 5: are doing a new show and they're like who else going,
Speaker 5: They're like thinking of it as competition.
Speaker 6: I'm like, who am I gonna love most Yeah, fine,
Speaker 6: do I want to.
Speaker 5: Share rooms with But yeah, I just I thought that
Speaker 5: the house had a good vibe and you know, and
Speaker 5: I liked it. So it just depends. I mean, last
Speaker 5: year doing them back to back was a little difficult,
Speaker 5: but you know, never say ever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't wait. I can't wait to see you
Speaker 1: on this season and see what happens when sit gets spicy.
Speaker 1: I'm just really looking forward to that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Katie, just know we are rooting for you.
Speaker 2: You and Veronica are og Girl.
Speaker 1: Girl team, my little underdog.
Speaker 3: This is the og Girl Girl podcast over here.
Speaker 5: We are rooting for you and I.
Speaker 1: I'm not rooting. I'm not rooting for her. She's fucking
Speaker 1: she's so scary. Oh god, yeah no.
Speaker 3: But thank you so much for coming on the podcast. Katie.
Speaker 3: It's a pleasure to talk to you again.
Speaker 2: Where can people follow you on Instagram or anything you want.
Speaker 3: To drop or share about your real life?
Speaker 5: Let the listeners know Instagram is decorate, Ky, It's like decorate.
Speaker 5: I thought I was clever. I really should just change
Speaker 5: it back. It's my real name. It's cute. I know,
Speaker 5: it's like, well yeah, but whatever, But anyway, it's mostly
Speaker 5: like home design and new cheer design, but I'm kind
Speaker 5: of getting even bored with that, so I don't know
Speaker 5: what it's going to become. But that's where you'll find me.
Speaker 5: And then Twitter is Katie Kooley twenty six showed y'all
Speaker 5: old I am. I think that's how old I was
Speaker 5: when I started the account.
Speaker 2: Nice, wow, amazing.
Speaker 1: And we love you Katie.
Speaker 5: I love you guys.
Speaker 1: It's so nice to see you and you look great
Speaker 1: in your interviews.
Speaker 6: Oh, which we're also at the castle.
Speaker 5: Oh, that's where the interviews were.
Speaker 1: They were, they were.
Speaker 2: I'm thrilled to watch it from where I'm sitting right now,
Speaker 2: and thank both of you for putting on an amazing show.
Speaker 2: All Stars five has been so entertaining thus far, even
Speaker 2: though you know, there's been a lot of ups and downs,
Speaker 2: it's made for a very well rounded season, so I'm
Speaker 2: like thoroughly enjoying it as a viewers. So thanks for
Speaker 2: thanks for carrying the show, ladies, and can't wait to
Speaker 2: see where it goes.
Speaker 3: Anissa, We'll miss you on there.
Speaker 1: I'm funnass gone.
Speaker 5: That bitch.
Speaker 3: Amazing. Well, thank you so much, Katie. It's been a
Speaker 3: pleasure chatting with you.
Speaker 5: Thank you, guys, have a good one youtubee bye.
Speaker 2: Honestly, Katie Cooley is one of a kind and I
Speaker 2: love the energy and the unseeriousness that she brings to
Speaker 2: the games.
Speaker 1: I don't even care I'm here, That's what matters.
Speaker 3: She's something else, dude.
Speaker 2: I mean, she's obviously done many seasons and hopefully we
Speaker 2: get to see her on more in the future. Sounds
Speaker 2: like she's not gone forever. So plus she's still in
Speaker 2: this season.
Speaker 1: I know. I can't wait to see what happens because
Speaker 1: I feel like there's gonna be a Katie Veronica move
Speaker 1: pulled and I cannot wait.
Speaker 2: I hope so I would love to see something like that. Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 2: well you know what. In the meantime, Anissa, where can
Speaker 2: I personally DM you and talk to you if I.
Speaker 1: Want to have my address?
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, let me DM your mailbox.
Speaker 1: I feel like you're talking dirty to me right now.
Speaker 2: Where can people send you the definition of the word undulation?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, please, guys, don't do it, but you
Speaker 1: can DM me on any other any other subjects? Uh? Anissa,
Speaker 1: MTV A N E E S A m t V
Speaker 1: on Instagram. That's where I am, That's where I live,
Speaker 1: That's where I play. I do have a link tree,
Speaker 1: click it Torri. Where can they follow you and support
Speaker 1: you and buy books and t shirts and long sleeves
Speaker 1: and sweatshirts.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Oh my god. You can find
Speaker 3: me at Tori Underscore Dah.
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