WEBVTT - Ring Around the Rival w/ Katie Cooley 0:00:04.040 --> 0:00:06.960 What's up everyone on toury deal And I'm a Nissa 0:00:07.040 --> 0:00:10.440 Ferrara and this is MTV's official challenge podcast. 0:00:10.960 --> 0:00:18.119 And Anissa, I w this episode as underrated, undulated and 0:00:18.760 --> 0:00:20.919 under appreciated. 0:00:21.120 --> 0:00:26.360 Appreciate it, thank you. It's undulated me. Can you tell 0:00:26.400 --> 0:00:29.600 me when something undulates? Okay, yeah, I gets an action. 0:00:30.040 --> 0:00:31.880 No one knows the reason why. Let me. 0:00:33.520 --> 0:00:35.279 The reason why I said that is because you were 0:00:35.360 --> 0:00:36.400 undulating with Sam. 0:00:36.520 --> 0:00:43.920 So I was like, Okay, that means having a smoothly 0:00:44.240 --> 0:00:46.080 rising and falling form. 0:00:46.880 --> 0:00:49.440 There you go like a dry hump. 0:00:50.479 --> 0:00:54.160 This is why you can't do the podcast with your 0:00:54.200 --> 0:00:57.920 best friend, because we're so fucking we're too real. 0:00:58.160 --> 0:01:03.600 I know, like when you were Ungula. Oh my god. 0:01:03.720 --> 0:01:05.240 I mean this is a big episode. 0:01:05.280 --> 0:01:06.880 Like there was a lot going on. 0:01:07.319 --> 0:01:10.240 There was so much going on, and like, I feel 0:01:10.280 --> 0:01:12.880 like this was a big episode for you. You know, 0:01:13.200 --> 0:01:16.480 obviously last week's episode left us off at a very 0:01:16.720 --> 0:01:20.319 high intense conversation and this one opened up a lot. 0:01:20.520 --> 0:01:22.520 You know, you had a lot of very vulnerable things 0:01:22.560 --> 0:01:26.480 to say, so did Ashley. This episode actually made me, 0:01:27.200 --> 0:01:30.120 like Ashley, seeing you to be vulnerable to each other. 0:01:30.240 --> 0:01:31.680 I mean, like obviously I want to give you the 0:01:31.720 --> 0:01:32.679 stage to talk about it. 0:01:32.680 --> 0:01:32.960 I can't. 0:01:32.959 --> 0:01:34.160 I don't want to steal all the mic from you. 0:01:34.240 --> 0:01:37.479 But like, what was it like being there and going 0:01:37.520 --> 0:01:38.160 through all this. 0:01:39.080 --> 0:01:43.240 Well, I when she's upstairs talking and the gym and 0:01:43.280 --> 0:01:44.920 she's like she hasn't even trained da da da dah, 0:01:44.959 --> 0:01:46.960 which you knew because I mean this is a month 0:01:47.000 --> 0:01:50.120 after yeah, this is like weeks after you guys wrapped, 0:01:50.360 --> 0:01:54.320 you know, like I rolled right over after that lost 0:01:54.320 --> 0:01:56.880 to Jenny and like being so ready for the season 0:01:56.920 --> 0:01:59.760 to going on all starts, thinking this is my second 0:01:59.800 --> 0:02:02.120 chance said this, you know, right, So I think that 0:02:02.280 --> 0:02:04.840 was all already like triggering the fact that I was 0:02:04.880 --> 0:02:06.520 back in the place that I had just lost in. 0:02:07.160 --> 0:02:10.600 But this thing with Ashley, where like, you know, I 0:02:10.720 --> 0:02:14.320 usually don't speak to people in such a way, Like 0:02:14.360 --> 0:02:17.040 when I tell a joke, usually lands. When I am funny, 0:02:17.080 --> 0:02:19.880 it's usually received well, So like when I fuck up, 0:02:19.880 --> 0:02:22.919 I own that, and I really own this one. It's 0:02:23.120 --> 0:02:25.320 just I was so triggered by the things that she 0:02:25.400 --> 0:02:28.800 said to me, like just because of how I felt 0:02:28.840 --> 0:02:31.480 about my own body, you know, and I didn't know 0:02:31.680 --> 0:02:35.960 how offended and hurt and triggered I would be. You know, 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:39.920 Ashley was basically saying like, I know, like this is 0:02:39.919 --> 0:02:41.600 for the game, and I'm like, it's not. It's not 0:02:41.639 --> 0:02:44.359 for the game. Like if I hurt your feelings, I apologize, 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:46.880 you know. And I think that she felt kind of 0:02:46.919 --> 0:02:49.560 like an outcast because you saw Ashley and I on 0:02:50.040 --> 0:02:53.440 Champs for Stars together, like we were close at one point, Yeah, 0:02:53.520 --> 0:02:56.960 we kind of fell out, and she's clearly not afraid 0:02:57.000 --> 0:02:58.720 to speak her mind on how she feels about me. 0:02:59.440 --> 0:03:02.480 And it's hard to watch that back because like, as 0:03:02.560 --> 0:03:05.120 real as I am, I also am mindful of my 0:03:05.160 --> 0:03:07.760 interviews that I don't want to hurt anybody's feelings, you know. 0:03:08.160 --> 0:03:11.840 And it stings to like watch everything back because it 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:15.400 takes you back to that place. But I also feel 0:03:15.440 --> 0:03:18.000 like it shows everyone like, hey, you know, you can 0:03:18.040 --> 0:03:20.280 have a difference of opinion and you can have a 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:24.840 disagreement and not you know, kill each other or you know, 0:03:24.880 --> 0:03:27.280 you can come back from it if you just like 0:03:27.400 --> 0:03:29.720 give each other some space and have like a very 0:03:29.760 --> 0:03:32.800 open and honest conversation and you own your shit, you 0:03:32.840 --> 0:03:37.080 can really move through that. So hopefully it helps people 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:40.040 and shows them that, you know, like you can problem 0:03:40.080 --> 0:03:43.800 solve and navigate certain things in your life without you know, 0:03:43.920 --> 0:03:47.560 having to tear somebody down, and I think it shows 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:52.080 how we both have grown. So yeah, all in all, 0:03:52.080 --> 0:03:54.800 it turns out to be a good a good conversation, 0:03:55.440 --> 0:03:58.240 and I think one that was needed. But uh, I 0:03:58.280 --> 0:03:59.560 wish we would have had more time. 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:01.160 Yeah, show, I. 0:04:01.120 --> 0:04:03.200 Mean for sure, for fucking sure. 0:04:03.360 --> 0:04:05.440 I'm just mad that we were even in this situation 0:04:05.560 --> 0:04:08.120 because I really feel like, I mean, in my heart, 0:04:08.560 --> 0:04:10.760 probably could have taken it all, you know, like if it 0:04:10.800 --> 0:04:12.880 comes to muscles like I have, you, like, if we 0:04:12.920 --> 0:04:16.120 have to pull anything or pull someone or knock them 0:04:16.160 --> 0:04:19.440 over like I got you because Ashley smart, so I 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:22.400 wasn't worried about anything mentally, Yeah, and I knew Ashley 0:04:22.440 --> 0:04:24.839 wasn't gonna quit, you know, and as hungry as I 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:27.440 was from forty, there was nothing that was going to 0:04:27.480 --> 0:04:31.800 stand in my way. So unfortunately, you know, Fetti and 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:33.160 Amber thought we needed to go in. 0:04:33.279 --> 0:04:34.839 But yeah, let's get in. 0:04:35.000 --> 0:04:37.120 Let's get into a little bit more of that Fetcy 0:04:37.200 --> 0:04:39.000 and Amber win and throw you in. 0:04:39.080 --> 0:04:40.880 I mean, like, did you see it coming? 0:04:41.760 --> 0:04:44.320 So before we went in, I'm like, Amber, do we 0:04:44.360 --> 0:04:46.680 need to talk? You know, cause She was like, people 0:04:46.720 --> 0:04:48.839 don't I don't know who has my back, and I'm like, 0:04:49.279 --> 0:04:50.960 and Ashley and I had this weird feeling. She was like, 0:04:51.000 --> 0:04:54.120 are you sure. I'm like, well, Leroy and Devin have us, 0:04:54.320 --> 0:04:56.560 you know what I mean? And Frank said, you know, 0:04:56.760 --> 0:04:58.560 I had all these people surrounding me, like I got 0:04:58.600 --> 0:05:00.080 you. You don't have to have me, but I got you. 0:05:01.000 --> 0:05:03.440 But you know, with Amber, her and I don't have 0:05:03.560 --> 0:05:06.360 the best track record, but we were working on our friendship. 0:05:06.400 --> 0:05:06.520 You know. 0:05:06.560 --> 0:05:09.080 We talked to James together on our phone calls. We 0:05:09.560 --> 0:05:12.200 talk every day like we'd hang out. So it wasn't 0:05:12.640 --> 0:05:15.279 that shocked me a bit, but not as shocking as BESSI. 0:05:15.720 --> 0:05:20.080 And then his reasoning was even more ridiculous because I 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:22.520 didn't send him into elimination. I put him down in 0:05:22.560 --> 0:05:27.360 the in the draw, you and Devin sent him in. 0:05:27.520 --> 0:05:29.440 So if he was really on the whole grudge holding thing, 0:05:29.480 --> 0:05:31.760 he would have sent Devon and Leroy in. 0:05:31.960 --> 0:05:34.679 Did me out of it? I don't remember. 0:05:36.560 --> 0:05:39.320 I really don't against Nannie and Johnny. Well I kind 0:05:39.320 --> 0:05:43.960 of remember, yeah, because Olivia and Harasia saved Jordan and 0:05:44.000 --> 0:05:47.560 I yes, okay, yes, yes, So I'm like, if anybody 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:49.960 if you're holding grudges whole grudges against somebody who actually 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:50.440 threw you in. 0:05:50.920 --> 0:05:52.000 Yeah, you know, like like. 0:05:52.160 --> 0:05:55.839 Make make the reasoning make sense. And we talked all 0:05:55.920 --> 0:05:57.680 day the day before and he was like, yo, I 0:05:57.720 --> 0:05:59.960 saw you looking good, like I would like run around 0:05:59.960 --> 0:06:01.880 the yard and shit. And he was like, you know, 0:06:01.920 --> 0:06:04.320 I'm proud of you. And I'm like, I'm proud of you, 0:06:04.480 --> 0:06:06.599 and I mean it just was such. 0:06:06.400 --> 0:06:07.760 A way you just said that. I thought you just 0:06:07.800 --> 0:06:09.400 said you run around the yard and shit. And I 0:06:09.400 --> 0:06:10.200 was like, wait, what do you mean? 0:06:10.240 --> 0:06:13.279 Like you did laughing in the yard. I wasn't shooting 0:06:13.320 --> 0:06:13.760 in the yard. 0:06:13.920 --> 0:06:14.960 You weren't shitting in the yard. 0:06:14.960 --> 0:06:17.200 But Ashley was farting in your face, and the producers 0:06:17.240 --> 0:06:18.440 did her dirty with that. 0:06:18.640 --> 0:06:21.080 I don't remember her farting on me. 0:06:21.480 --> 0:06:22.800 Well it was in your face. 0:06:22.880 --> 0:06:24.720 I mean, listen, I did the best I could during 0:06:24.760 --> 0:06:28.160 that challenge because it literally is not easy girl girl 0:06:28.160 --> 0:06:30.280 to really like fly somebody out there. 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:31.320 You did do really well. 0:06:31.320 --> 0:06:34.239 You guys had a good performance, and I mean obviously 0:06:34.240 --> 0:06:36.800 Besi and Amberwyn And then it goes into this whole 0:06:36.839 --> 0:06:38.160 thing and I want to get into it a lot 0:06:38.200 --> 0:06:39.479 more when when Katie's here. 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:42.080 But before we get into the interview portion of this podcast, 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:43.960 in the interview portion, I felt that sounds like such 0:06:44.000 --> 0:06:44.360 a nerd. 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:50.640 Before we got into this interview portion, I want to 0:06:50.680 --> 0:06:53.120 know how you and Ashley left off, Like where are 0:06:53.160 --> 0:06:54.040 you guys at now? 0:06:54.560 --> 0:06:57.919 You know what's a relationship? Like, so, what's crazy is 0:06:57.920 --> 0:06:59.240 they after this? We were like, I don't even know 0:06:59.240 --> 0:07:00.720 how they're going to have a shit because we are 0:07:00.760 --> 0:07:04.880 the entertainment. I'm like Davon and and Shane, Veronica, Katie 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:08.880 and Frank and Sam y'all better. Y'all better carry it 0:07:10.240 --> 0:07:13.080 because I think that our dynamic did provide for very 0:07:13.080 --> 0:07:16.600 good television. But what's crazy is we got back. We 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:19.040 ate dinner together in my room. Then it was like 0:07:19.080 --> 0:07:20.680 she was in my room the next day. Then we 0:07:20.720 --> 0:07:24.239 went out once my exit interview was done in hers, 0:07:24.280 --> 0:07:26.880 we went out for top us, We went out drinking, 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:29.840 We walked around the city. It was fine. 0:07:30.240 --> 0:07:32.600 I was sad. I was really disappointed that you guys 0:07:32.640 --> 0:07:33.840 went home obviously, like I. 0:07:33.920 --> 0:07:36.040 Oh, I was ready to can. I was just like 0:07:36.560 --> 0:07:39.200 she made me laugh though so much like before we left, 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:42.320 because she was just cursing people out and when tejs, like, 0:07:42.360 --> 0:07:44.360 how do you feel? She was like, these are not 0:07:44.480 --> 0:07:48.040 your friends, Like she gave me like that to be like, 0:07:48.240 --> 0:07:51.120 fuck you guys. Yeah, because Amber came over to hug me. 0:07:51.160 --> 0:07:52.800 She was like I'm sorry. I'm like, don't touch me. 0:07:52.920 --> 0:07:56.480 I'm like, get off me. You're really not sorry. If 0:07:56.520 --> 0:07:58.440 you were sorry, you wouldn't have voted me in. I 0:07:58.480 --> 0:08:02.600 bet I have since talked to it. It's taken months, okay, 0:08:02.680 --> 0:08:04.640 so whatever. Still have not talked to FeSi. 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:08.280 Yeah, it's really hard to accept an apology right then 0:08:08.320 --> 0:08:09.880 on the spot after you've been thrown in. 0:08:10.000 --> 0:08:10.960 So mm hmm. 0:08:11.120 --> 0:08:13.760 But I meant at least she had at least she had. 0:08:13.640 --> 0:08:15.720 The decency to say something, to know that you haven't 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:17.600 even talked to FESTI still to this day. 0:08:17.720 --> 0:08:19.080 I mean, it's interesting. 0:08:19.600 --> 0:08:22.000 Yeah, I don't know what to really make of that, 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:25.120 but it's kind of like, you know, there may be 0:08:25.160 --> 0:08:27.120 some truth to Ashley's whole thing, Like no, I'm not 0:08:27.160 --> 0:08:29.040 I'm friendly with people because I know what it looks 0:08:29.120 --> 0:08:31.760 like on the other side to be like angry and 0:08:31.800 --> 0:08:34.200 on the defense and to fight with everyone and be 0:08:34.280 --> 0:08:36.199 known as this girl that always pops off or whatever. 0:08:36.240 --> 0:08:39.120 And I've done that before. I'm just in a different 0:08:39.120 --> 0:08:41.960 place where it's like it's okay to be friendly. But yes, 0:08:42.080 --> 0:08:43.720 it might be part of my game, Like you don't 0:08:43.760 --> 0:08:46.760 know who I'm really friends with? Yeah, exactly, my friends know. 0:08:46.920 --> 0:08:49.640 The people that know that I fuck with them already 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:50.040 know that. 0:08:50.280 --> 0:08:53.160 Well. I'm excited to see if you continue to play 0:08:53.280 --> 0:08:56.160 the game in the future, how you take everything you 0:08:56.280 --> 0:08:58.040 learned from this season and apply it. 0:08:59.240 --> 0:09:04.760 So you'll apply it, You'll apply application, Undula. 0:09:08.160 --> 0:09:10.440 Who do you want to give the All Star of 0:09:10.480 --> 0:09:11.400 the episode two? 0:09:11.440 --> 0:09:11.520 Oh? 0:09:11.600 --> 0:09:15.240 I wanted to make it silly, but I can. I 0:09:15.480 --> 0:09:18.360 want to give it to Katie for creating an incredible 0:09:18.400 --> 0:09:22.760 party for us, for hand blowing all of those balloons 0:09:22.880 --> 0:09:26.560 for the balloon arch with I think maybe Veronica forgetting 0:09:26.559 --> 0:09:28.800 it all together for us so we could have fun. 0:09:29.080 --> 0:09:32.120 So because we needed a break from the game. Yes, 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:33.040 I agree about you. 0:09:33.320 --> 0:09:35.360 Well, you know what this is obviously. 0:09:35.440 --> 0:09:37.640 I don't like the person that they beat in elimination, 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:39.360 but I feel like I need to shine some light 0:09:39.400 --> 0:09:43.320 on Adam for competing while super sick. Like we saw 0:09:43.400 --> 0:09:46.200 his bed it was so so sweaty. So I just 0:09:46.320 --> 0:09:48.240 I just feel like it would be very biased if 0:09:48.240 --> 0:09:51.840 I didn't throw some credit to Adam for performing well 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:54.000 while he was like running in one hundred oh he was. 0:09:54.160 --> 0:09:57.000 He was cracking the worst like sexy dad jokes if 0:09:57.040 --> 0:09:59.760 so fucking bad, but they were. They were funny, but 0:09:59.760 --> 0:10:02.800 there were bad. But you know, I love Adam. Who 0:10:02.840 --> 0:10:06.120 were you most confused by in this episode? Sam? And Frank? 0:10:06.640 --> 0:10:11.080 Oh tell me more when I say, I don't know 0:10:11.160 --> 0:10:14.000 how Frank was pushing her, but she was the only 0:10:14.080 --> 0:10:17.040 person that was doing like literal spins, Like I would 0:10:17.040 --> 0:10:18.839 have vomited at one point if I. 0:10:18.960 --> 0:10:23.640 Could walk a thousand miles not that song. 0:10:26.200 --> 0:10:30.360 Make him Away and walk in fast faith and I'm home. 0:10:30.440 --> 0:10:34.560 Then, dude, whoever's scoring the music on this is trolling 0:10:34.800 --> 0:10:36.360 so hard, it's so funny. 0:10:36.480 --> 0:10:38.640 I think all stars always, I will say also, the 0:10:38.679 --> 0:10:41.559 all star of the episode is the person who does 0:10:41.679 --> 0:10:45.280 the whole soundtrack because we need it. We need it. Actually, yeah, 0:10:45.320 --> 0:10:46.880 it should be a Spotify playlist. 0:10:46.960 --> 0:10:51.000 Absolutely. I loved this episode with the exception of you leaving. 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:53.920 But I think that you and who you are, you're 0:10:53.920 --> 0:10:57.600 so vulnerable and powerful and always yourself And he said, 0:10:57.640 --> 0:10:59.240 and that's why people love you and adore you. 0:10:59.320 --> 0:11:01.360 And it was nice to see a different side of 0:11:01.400 --> 0:11:01.920 Ashley too. 0:11:01.920 --> 0:11:03.640 Even though you guys went there and there were some 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:06.880 dark parts to this convo, at least it ended on 0:11:06.920 --> 0:11:09.040 a high note, which I think was like really nice 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:11.600 to watch as a viewer. So sad to see you go, 0:11:12.200 --> 0:11:13.480 but I get to keep you here for a little 0:11:13.480 --> 0:11:16.040 bit longer because I know we're gonna interview. 0:11:15.800 --> 0:11:19.720 The one and only Katie Cooley after this break, So 0:11:19.840 --> 0:11:31.040 stay tuned, guys, because Anie is not going anywhere yet. 0:11:37.360 --> 0:11:40.760 Hey, folks, we are back, and today we have a 0:11:40.960 --> 0:11:45.320 very very special guest. She is a Challenge Champion. She 0:11:45.679 --> 0:11:50.720 is clearly the Challenge masterclass instructor. She's been on the Gauntlet, 0:11:50.960 --> 0:11:53.040 she won the Inferno. She's been on Battle of the 0:11:53.080 --> 0:11:56.080 Sexes Too, Gauntlet two, Fresh Meat, Gauntlet three, Duel two, 0:11:56.320 --> 0:12:00.360 The Ruins, Cutthroat, Battle of the Errors, and All Stars one, 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:04.960 All Stars two. Now I'm out of breath, so she's 0:12:05.000 --> 0:12:11.560 clearly very old. Yes, please welcome my dear dear friend, 0:12:12.120 --> 0:12:12.800 Katie Cooley. 0:12:12.880 --> 0:12:16.480 Hello, Hello, Welcome. 0:12:16.160 --> 0:12:16.920 To the podcast. 0:12:17.040 --> 0:12:17.400 Katie. 0:12:17.400 --> 0:12:19.360 It's a pleasure to have you on. 0:12:19.920 --> 0:12:20.720 Thank you, ma'am. 0:12:20.840 --> 0:12:22.560 I didn't know you did so many damn shows. 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:25.360 Katie, no a loser who does that? 0:12:25.720 --> 0:12:25.880 You know? 0:12:26.000 --> 0:12:29.359 I needs to like what loser just keeps coming back. 0:12:30.760 --> 0:12:34.680 Toy and I I mean, at this point in time, 0:12:34.760 --> 0:12:35.880 you're more than a challenger. 0:12:35.920 --> 0:12:37.559 You are a masterclass instructor. 0:12:37.640 --> 0:12:39.959 I have to say, I think that was my favorite 0:12:40.000 --> 0:12:41.880 part of the episode because. 0:12:41.520 --> 0:12:43.880 The music, I'm like, where's my music from? Like they 0:12:44.160 --> 0:12:47.080 ease it in with the music verse and then and then. 0:12:46.960 --> 0:12:48.880 The title came and I was like, damn, they really 0:12:48.920 --> 0:12:52.000 sold me on that one. Do you feel like Adam 0:12:52.320 --> 0:12:53.120 was a good student? 0:12:53.920 --> 0:12:56.079 Well, the thing is is like Adam and Steve were 0:12:56.120 --> 0:12:58.600 sending it over and over, but when we would finish 0:12:58.640 --> 0:13:00.960 the challenge, we'd get on the bus to go back 0:13:01.000 --> 0:13:02.960 to the house and he'd get on the bus and 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:05.160 he'd be like anybody thirsty and he's opening them up 0:13:05.160 --> 0:13:08.240 the cooler, throwing out water bottles, sodaes. Does anyone want 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:10.760 any you know, snacks? And I'm like, dude, these guys 0:13:10.800 --> 0:13:13.280 just sent you in. Don't offer them snacks and ships 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:17.000 and cookies. I'm like, fuck them. And he's like he's like, oh, 0:13:17.000 --> 0:13:18.840 I'm sorry, So I'm like, you gotta just I'm like, 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:21.640 the cooler you are, the more likely they are to 0:13:21.640 --> 0:13:23.400 throw you in because you don't cause shit. 0:13:23.600 --> 0:13:24.920 You know, it's like, oh, they'll get over it. 0:13:24.920 --> 0:13:26.760 They'll get over it, they're fine, they won't get mad, 0:13:26.800 --> 0:13:28.240 they'll they'll be great later. 0:13:28.280 --> 0:13:30.839 Well, it didn't help that he also brought friendship bracelets 0:13:30.840 --> 0:13:34.560 and he was like here, everyone, yes, my daughter amazing sweet. 0:13:34.760 --> 0:13:36.960 And that is what I love about him, honestly, is 0:13:37.000 --> 0:13:40.520 like it's very endearing. But I was like, at some point, 0:13:40.640 --> 0:13:42.920 you've got to kind of like let people know, like, 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:45.040 I'm not your punching bag here. I'm not going to 0:13:45.080 --> 0:13:47.280 be the fall guy every time. And so it was 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:50.960 kind of like a joke, the master class thing. And 0:13:51.080 --> 0:13:52.560 so I'm sure people at home are. 0:13:52.400 --> 0:13:54.960 Like, what, who does she think she is? 0:13:55.080 --> 0:13:58.520 She hasn't once it's two thousand and three. You're not wrong, 0:13:59.040 --> 0:14:01.200 but I'm not anybody's bitch either, I'll tell you that 0:14:01.320 --> 0:14:01.520 or not. 0:14:01.880 --> 0:14:05.440 And you were on the opposite side of like a 0:14:05.520 --> 0:14:08.720 larger group of people back then like definitely coming for you, 0:14:09.440 --> 0:14:12.600 and you literally shut them up, you know, time and 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:15.480 time again, which was hilarious because you really didn't give 0:14:15.480 --> 0:14:17.720 a shit. So she's still in there. But it was 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:19.200 like when you were teaching him and you were like 0:14:19.240 --> 0:14:21.720 you just got a mean mugum and his face was 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:24.880 like distorted. Oh he got it's so good. He couldn't 0:14:24.880 --> 0:14:25.120 get it. 0:14:25.200 --> 0:14:29.160 He was like, I knows, he's so funny though. 0:14:29.240 --> 0:14:30.040 I mean it's great. 0:14:30.080 --> 0:14:32.160 Like Steve kind of would just like I think Steve 0:14:32.240 --> 0:14:33.920 was a little more, you know, kind of pissed. He 0:14:34.040 --> 0:14:37.240 just kept to himself. But Adam's just a jolly bastard, 0:14:37.440 --> 0:14:38.560 like he's just happy. 0:14:39.520 --> 0:14:39.920 Yeah. 0:14:39.960 --> 0:14:42.000 I feel like watching that throwback of you on the 0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:43.040 treadmill scared me. 0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:46.560 I was like, holy fucking shit, Katie, I'm here all 0:14:46.640 --> 0:14:50.600 fucking night with the fear of God and everyone. 0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:54.480 Well, it was like back then, the matter I was 0:14:54.560 --> 0:14:57.720 the better I do. So it was like yeah, almost 0:14:58.440 --> 0:15:00.760 you know that. Like if anybody talk shit to me 0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:02.960 during it, I was like ready to like really rip 0:15:03.000 --> 0:15:07.000 faces off. It's harder now because like I like so 0:15:07.080 --> 0:15:09.800 many people. So it's just like, oh, I want to 0:15:09.840 --> 0:15:10.440 give you a hug. 0:15:10.520 --> 0:15:12.360 Don't you want to go back to hating people again. 0:15:12.400 --> 0:15:13.560 I would like that. I liked it. 0:15:13.600 --> 0:15:16.760 I really somebody like call me some names and sold 0:15:16.760 --> 0:15:18.000 me a little bit and then'll rip your head. 0:15:18.120 --> 0:15:19.520 Yeah. I just want to be in my twenties again. 0:15:19.600 --> 0:15:22.280 Not for like the other shit. Maybe maybe for the 0:15:22.400 --> 0:15:25.680 higher ass and tits thing, but like totally Katie knows 0:15:25.680 --> 0:15:28.080 what I'm saying. But twenties was like, would. 0:15:27.880 --> 0:15:30.720 You say, but I am proud that we don't act 0:15:30.720 --> 0:15:33.160 that way because I've always said, you know, reality TV 0:15:33.480 --> 0:15:35.040 is a blessing in the sense that you have the 0:15:35.080 --> 0:15:37.720 opportunity to see yourself a third person and so you 0:15:37.760 --> 0:15:40.120 can watch yourself and see those flipouts and go, wow, 0:15:40.320 --> 0:15:43.160 I'm a psycho and I don't like that. I don't 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:44.760 like the way it makes me look. I don't like 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:46.440 the way I made somebody else feel, and I don't 0:15:46.440 --> 0:15:48.240 want to do that. And you know, and that was 0:15:48.280 --> 0:15:52.240 evident when you had your argument with Ashley, Like if 0:15:52.240 --> 0:15:54.320 that was twenty two year old you, it would have 0:15:54.400 --> 0:15:57.800 been a whole nother story, you know. But now it's 0:15:57.880 --> 0:15:59.720 just like you were genuinely like, I didn't mean to 0:15:59.720 --> 0:16:02.920 a I'm sorry, and so like I think, I'm. 0:16:02.800 --> 0:16:05.040 Glad we're the way we are now versus then. 0:16:05.280 --> 0:16:07.880 So you know, watching me in an elimination at twenty 0:16:07.920 --> 0:16:10.800 three versus forty three is night and day. 0:16:10.920 --> 0:16:13.200 Excuse me, you choked me out. 0:16:13.400 --> 0:16:15.920 I was just gonna say last time we saw you 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:21.200 errors and you kicked sanam me, gave me the crotch 0:16:21.280 --> 0:16:22.440 clam slam. 0:16:22.720 --> 0:16:27.000 And and had the death grip on that poll. 0:16:27.720 --> 0:16:28.560 But I still love you. 0:16:29.280 --> 0:16:32.480 I love you. This isn't about love, Katie. I love 0:16:32.480 --> 0:16:38.560 you so much love, But bitch, Katie, scrappy Katie. So 0:16:39.120 --> 0:16:42.560 you did All Stars one, you did two, and then 0:16:42.680 --> 0:16:44.880 all of a sudden you're in Battle of the Arras. 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:47.880 How do you think that compares to All Stars? 0:16:48.120 --> 0:16:51.720 Oh my gosh, they couldn't be more different. And I 0:16:51.720 --> 0:16:54.800 will be one hundred percent honest. Doing the flagship is 0:16:55.520 --> 0:16:58.600 next level. I don't have the any part of my 0:16:59.040 --> 0:17:02.080 personality can't handle that. It's you guys are intense. You 0:17:02.120 --> 0:17:05.320 guys are warriors. You live for this shit. I'm just like, 0:17:05.359 --> 0:17:07.359 can I call home? Can I get real food? 0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:07.679 Like? 0:17:08.240 --> 0:17:11.120 Yeah, I but I mean, you guys, that's like pro 0:17:11.240 --> 0:17:13.080 athlete level. I mean, it really is. 0:17:13.160 --> 0:17:15.640 It's like I'm like I don't go here. 0:17:15.720 --> 0:17:20.520 Like I'm like I don't belong here. I feel like 0:17:20.560 --> 0:17:23.560 All Stars is like the Senior Misfits. You know, It's 0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:26.600 just like and then you know, I think, like Tory 0:17:26.720 --> 0:17:30.760 probably fucking kill it on there, you know, and like, 0:17:31.240 --> 0:17:33.840 there's a lot of people that will do really well. 0:17:33.920 --> 0:17:37.000 But I mean, yeah, just the the flagship is night 0:17:37.000 --> 0:17:41.520 and day. Uh, with the intensity, the hours, the rules 0:17:41.800 --> 0:17:44.960 in the house, it's just like wow, I mean it's fair. 0:17:45.040 --> 0:17:48.800 How do you feel like this particular challenge went. I 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:50.280 know that you guys were swinging on the top of 0:17:50.320 --> 0:17:52.159 the trucks, and I know you and Veronica had your 0:17:52.200 --> 0:17:54.479 own experience. 0:17:53.960 --> 0:17:57.200 With it, but like, what was it like your own experience? 0:17:57.760 --> 0:18:00.840 Honestly, I'm gonna be honest with even you need experience. 0:18:00.880 --> 0:18:03.200 But we did this. We did a very similar one 0:18:03.200 --> 0:18:04.520 on eras, Yes you did. 0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:06.080 I saw it and I shut. 0:18:05.760 --> 0:18:07.720 The bet on it as an individual, like, it is 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:09.720 hard and I can't imagine what it's like doing it 0:18:09.760 --> 0:18:12.320 with a partner. Talk to us a little bit about 0:18:12.359 --> 0:18:14.120 what it was like to work with Veronica on this one, 0:18:14.160 --> 0:18:16.480 and then also like let's get into what it was 0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:18.639 like to work with Veronica in general. 0:18:18.359 --> 0:18:20.280 Like kind of like catch us up to speed a 0:18:20.280 --> 0:18:21.080 bit like are you. 0:18:20.960 --> 0:18:24.040