Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know, are
Speaker 1: you a Charlotte. You guys, you guys.
Speaker 2: We have a very.
Speaker 1: Exciting, a very very exciting guest. Simon Curtis is here
Speaker 1: with us. He is an uber fan. He is a
Speaker 1: super sweetheart. We met on social media of some kind.
Speaker 1: But it was a long time ago.
Speaker 2: I think like twelve years ago.
Speaker 1: Right, like a long time and he is so great,
Speaker 1: you guys, and I'm so excited to have him, And
Speaker 1: we have a lot of levels of Charlotte that we're
Speaker 1: going to explore.
Speaker 2: A lifetime of Charlotte. A lifetime of Charlotte from age eleven.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, amazing, amazing. Do you remember, like how
Speaker 1: did we connect? Because I don't even remember back that remark.
Speaker 2: I've literally been a fan of the show since I
Speaker 2: was eleven years old.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: I used to sneak watch it while my parents were
Speaker 2: watching it. It was like the perfect way to watch
Speaker 2: the show. My parents would be in the living room
Speaker 2: watching it, and then I would go sneak watch it
Speaker 2: in the back room at the same time, and we're
Speaker 2: getting up to go see what I was doing. So
Speaker 2: amazing someday I would watch.
Speaker 1: Oh, I love it. You were watching it in real
Speaker 1: time when I was on the first time on HBO. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well that's fantastic at the ripe age of eleven, Oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, and Di, how did that that?
Speaker 2: Well? I think that was one of the first conversations
Speaker 2: that we ever had. And I feel like I'm going
Speaker 2: to cry six times today, but this is I might
Speaker 2: as well just go ahead and jump into it. I
Speaker 2: think one of the first conversations that we ever had
Speaker 2: was telling you how much of a life raft the
Speaker 2: show was for me. I was an eleven, twelve year
Speaker 2: old gay boy in Oklahoma and in the show premiered
Speaker 2: was it ninety seven or ninety eight?
Speaker 1: Ninety eight?
Speaker 2: So ninety eight, so I was twelve, wow in Oklahoma
Speaker 2: and that was just like an at age twelve that
Speaker 2: was coming into my sexuality, going into puberty, not knowing
Speaker 2: what is this and kind of being so isolated and
Speaker 2: sex and the city was the first thing I ever
Speaker 2: saw that showed gay people that it wasn't a tragedy.
Speaker 2: It wasn't you know, we were coming out of AIDS
Speaker 2: at that time, and it was showing gay people just
Speaker 2: living life like Stanford. I think is second episode with
Speaker 2: you know, the modeled Boney and like that was just
Speaker 2: so like it was so much wonder for me. It
Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, this look at this world,
Speaker 2: look at these people, and this is so different and
Speaker 2: he's accepted and look at all this love he's surrounded
Speaker 2: by and just in general, so it was it was
Speaker 2: such a life raft. It meant so much to me
Speaker 2: as a kid, even though you know, you might say
Speaker 2: the show might not be appropriate for a twelve year old,
Speaker 2: but it was a life raft. It saved me in
Speaker 2: so many ways. It is such a crucial point in
Speaker 2: my life.
Speaker 1: That is so great. That is so great to hear.
Speaker 1: I mean intellectually we know that to be true in
Speaker 1: a way right now, maybe not all twelve year olds
Speaker 1: or whatever, but just that we were We forget i
Speaker 1: think now in twenty twenty six, how different television was
Speaker 1: back then. And then it was a culture culture in general. Sorry, absolutely,
Speaker 1: And for me, I was really you know, exposed when
Speaker 1: I was ten and I started acting in the community
Speaker 1: theater in South Carolina. That is really where all the
Speaker 1: gay people went, right because you didn't have a lot
Speaker 1: of freedom and options, you know, in regular life in
Speaker 1: that time. So I was around gay people like my
Speaker 1: whole life, and I think gay people are fantastic. But
Speaker 1: second of all, you know, it was just so normal,
Speaker 1: like if you're a theater kid, that is your world, right, And.
Speaker 2: I was too, you know, from the time I was ten.
Speaker 2: That's what I was doing. That's great, and you know,
Speaker 2: but it was still at a time when I would
Speaker 2: hear the commentary from my parents who were driving me
Speaker 2: to and from rehearsal about people in the cast, and
Speaker 2: it was just like one of those outside was still yeah, definitely.
Speaker 2: And I was raised Catholic, you know, so it's there's
Speaker 2: there's you know, an addition to yeah, Oklahoma, there's Catholicism.
Speaker 2: There's all of these things.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And and truly Sex and the City was the
Speaker 2: first sort of like guiding light of Wow, there's there's life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so much like yeah, truly so much. Like that's
Speaker 1: so nice. That's so nice. I'm so glad that you
Speaker 1: reached out on whatever was it Twitter?
Speaker 2: I think it was Twitter, right, I think it was
Speaker 2: like Twitter, like twenty sixteen. Wow, I think it was
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen when we were dming in no way. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And I just wrote you that whole thing, and I
Speaker 2: was like, I just have to tell you this.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad the best kind of social media, don't
Speaker 1: you think?
Speaker 2: Absolutely? And you've been a part of that sent ever
Speaker 2: since we've I feel like we've been pempals we have
Speaker 2: ever since that moment.
Speaker 1: True so true, well, because you're just very real and
Speaker 1: you're very positive, and you're super sweet, and you know,
Speaker 1: you're very vulnerable in a way, like you know when
Speaker 1: like I'm not getting go to details, but like things
Speaker 1: have happened to you and you posted about them.
Speaker 2: I was like, silent, that actually is how you became
Speaker 2: my Charlot's godmother. And I have to say I was
Speaker 2: waiting until we were recording to share this because I
Speaker 2: don't even know if you are fully still aware of
Speaker 2: the full scope of how serendipitous it was. So in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, my partner and I we had been
Speaker 2: spending time in Oklahoma pretty much full time when the
Speaker 2: pandemic hit, and like with family, it was just a
Speaker 2: nice place to be at the time. And he was
Speaker 2: modeling in Mexico City and it was September twenty twenty
Speaker 2: one and he was gone for like two months, and
Speaker 2: I was there with our sixteen year old Chihuahua, Lexi,
Speaker 2: and she passed in her sleep in the bed with me,
Speaker 2: and you were one of the first people to reach
Speaker 2: out immediately, and you kept checking in on me, and
Speaker 2: it was so kind and so sweet, and it was
Speaker 2: It was right about that time I met a chihuahua
Speaker 2: breeder nearby who let me come to her house for
Speaker 2: puppy therapy. And before Lexi had even passed, my partner
Speaker 2: Jore he started having dreams about a white chihuahua.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: And the first one that I met was the runt
Speaker 2: of the litter, this little white Chiuhaha named Henry and
Speaker 2: from Mexico City. He was like, that's my dog. That's like,
Speaker 2: we have to have him. And then there was this
Speaker 2: other little puppy named Charlotte, and come to find out,
Speaker 2: she was born the night that Lexi passed, and she
Speaker 2: had just all these behavioral isms that were just her
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh my god, this is Lexi,
Speaker 2: Like she reincarnated instantly. Wow. And so when he got
Speaker 2: back from Mexico City, we went to go meet both
Speaker 2: of the dogs, and we parked in front of the
Speaker 2: house afterwards, and I just I said in the car,
Speaker 2: I was like, what are we going to do? We
Speaker 2: can't get too puppies. And at that exact moment, my
Speaker 2: phone vibrated and it was you sending me a message
Speaker 2: and you said, hi, honey, I know it's been a minute,
Speaker 2: because it was like two and a half weeks or
Speaker 2: like almost a month after the fact. I just wanted
Speaker 2: to check in on you and see how you were
Speaker 2: holding up. And in the car, I just started crying
Speaker 2: and I was like, well, Charlotte just texted me. We're
Speaker 2: getting Charlotte, We're getting two puppies, and.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: But it was literally the words came out of my mouth.
Speaker 2: We can't get two puppies. Just checking on you, seeing
Speaker 2: how you're doing, and I, yeah, so you've been her,
Speaker 2: You've been her godmother ever since.
Speaker 1: So she doing.
Speaker 2: Oh she's so good and she's so good. And the
Speaker 2: other story I was telling you before we started at Airwan,
Speaker 2: because I'm always at Sportsman's Lodge in Studio City. The
Speaker 2: gym is there, and it's just it's like the fun
Speaker 2: place in Studio City now.
Speaker 1: Which is really interesting because it wasn't always the case.
Speaker 1: It used to be scary.
Speaker 2: I don't think i'd ever walked through there hill.
Speaker 1: They turned and now they've done like this magical brand.
Speaker 2: Before, wasn't it like the haunted place of like a studio.
Speaker 2: Executives like you.
Speaker 1: Were like, what has happened in these four walls?
Speaker 2: Dark devious deeds? But now it's really cool. And Charlotte
Speaker 2: is kind of like a mascot there. I take her there,
Speaker 2: and she's so social and everybody loves her, and so
Speaker 2: when I bring her into Airwine, everybody knows who she
Speaker 2: is and it's just like the cutest thing that is.
Speaker 2: And one of the employees there, she's adorable girl named Charlotte,
Speaker 2: and she lives in the neighborhood where we walk all
Speaker 2: of our dogs, and so we've bonded. And she told
Speaker 2: me once that her parents named her after you, after Charlotte,
Speaker 2: And so one night I came in and this was
Speaker 2: last year, at some point I came in just to
Speaker 2: grab something in my pajamas, holding Charlotte. Charlotte it was
Speaker 2: checking me out, and she was like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: you just missed Charlotteton Davis. It was just here and
Speaker 2: I was like is she? And I ran out to
Speaker 2: the parking lot holding Charlotte. I was like, where missed
Speaker 2: I texted you immediately, but I don't think you saw it,
Speaker 2: like the next day or something, because it was the
Speaker 2: middle of the night. But I was like, this is
Speaker 2: there are so many layers of Charlotte happening right now,
Speaker 2: like goddaughter.
Speaker 1: Really sad though that I missed you in your pajamas
Speaker 1: with Charlotte at Air One, you are living in La life.
Speaker 1: It is awesome, okay, with.
Speaker 2: The Air one cashier who's like this seventeen year old
Speaker 2: girl who's named after you.
Speaker 1: Say true, thank you to the parents of Charlotte who
Speaker 1: works at Airwine Studio City. That's lovely. And I love
Speaker 1: any dog named Charlotte, just so everyone knows. It's always
Speaker 1: like makes my heart saying absolutely to meet the little puppies.
Speaker 2: You have so many god babies in this world. I
Speaker 2: any time I meet a dog named Charlotte, it's always
Speaker 2: because of you. Any dog named Charlotte.
Speaker 1: I don't even know if I should really take credit
Speaker 1: for that, right, I think Charlotte's just a good name.
Speaker 1: But I do feel very excited whatever I mean.
Speaker 2: You you know, because I talk about it with people
Speaker 2: and they always clarify, and there's always a post conversation.
Speaker 1: Okay, always, I love that. I love that you're out
Speaker 1: there representing Simon. I really appreciate it. And I also
Speaker 1: mentioned because just just because you know, let's be through here.
Speaker 1: You have a very beautiful voice.
Speaker 2: Oh thank you.
Speaker 1: Now I knew that you had this whole career in music,
Speaker 1: but like when I'm just sitting here listening to your voice,
Speaker 1: it's so incredibly beautiful.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Thank you.
Speaker 1: Just tell us a little bit about your music.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I start. So, I started on Nickelodeon in like
Speaker 2: two thousand and nine. I was in a musical called
Speaker 2: Spectacular Emojian Musical, ok. And that was like post high
Speaker 2: school musical and all of that. And I so I was.
Speaker 2: I started as an actor when I moved to LA
Speaker 2: and then I had some interesting experiences that were a
Speaker 2: little traumatic at the time looking back, and I pivoted
Speaker 2: and was like, you know what, I'm so tired of
Speaker 2: hearing no, I'm so tired of people telling me that
Speaker 2: I have to not be gay all of these things. Yes,
Speaker 2: and I'm going to release music. And so I released
Speaker 2: my first album, Ape at Heart in twenty ten, and
Speaker 2: it went super viral. And I've had this incredible fan
Speaker 2: base ever since with my music.
Speaker 1: Amazing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's been it's been making music ever since.
Speaker 1: You so, and you have some crazy number of streams.
Speaker 2: Yes, so I think the grand lifetime total of my
Speaker 2: music that's up on all the streamers right now is
Speaker 2: at like one point seventy five billion streams cumulatively.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, that's so crazy. Also, feel like there's
Speaker 1: just like music is so interesting, right because people think
Speaker 1: it's just pop music, but it isn't like you can
Speaker 1: really have this blooming career kind of somewhat independently.
Speaker 2: Oh, completely, right, were completely and truth be told, I
Speaker 2: was one of the very first people to just start
Speaker 2: releasing independent pop music in twenty ten. That was a
Speaker 2: really revolutionary thing. It was really just like rappers releasing mixtapes, right,
Speaker 2: and so I was one of the first people who
Speaker 2: put out an electronic pop album in that same way. Wow,
Speaker 2: so's it's so neat. Yeah, it's meat know how to
Speaker 2: do that?
Speaker 1: Like what made you think of that?
Speaker 2: When I first moved out to LA one of my
Speaker 2: best friends was an aspiring producer and we just were
Speaker 2: always recording and making music together. And that was I
Speaker 2: after spectacular and after I was having all of these
Speaker 2: sort of actor traumas, I just decided to do it.
Speaker 2: I was like, let's make an album. I'm buckling down
Speaker 2: and I'm doing it.
Speaker 1: Amazing.
Speaker 2: Yea.
Speaker 1: That is so. I like to hear the stories where
Speaker 1: people are able to kind of keep their autonomy create
Speaker 1: from a place of you know, like you're grounded, you're
Speaker 1: making what you want to make, and then you're putting
Speaker 1: it out there. It's so amazing. Yeah, that's something you
Speaker 1: can do in this day and age. But I don't
Speaker 1: think that people are always aware that that's something you
Speaker 1: can do, and that.
Speaker 2: I wasn't aware of that ether It was always just
Speaker 2: a decision even you know, I'm an author as well,
Speaker 2: and when I decided to write my first book, I
Speaker 2: just did it. And I wrote on Twitter who here
Speaker 2: knows anything about ya publishing? And one of my turbo
Speaker 2: fans at the time had this avatar of a little
Speaker 2: cupcake and he was like, hey, send me a DM
Speaker 2: for whatever reason. I was like sure, and I did,
Speaker 2: and he was like, I'm an editor at Simon and
Speaker 2: Schuster and he'd been a fan of my music since
Speaker 2: I started putting it out. Wow, And he was like
Speaker 2: I want to hear more about the book you're writing,
Speaker 2: and he wound up buying my book and Simon and
Speaker 2: Schuster incredible, and so that was published in twenty sixteen,
Speaker 2: and then I had my first graphic novel published last year. Wow.
Speaker 2: So it's everything that I've done has always just kind
Speaker 2: of been like, well, I'll do this. Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well I think number one, you're incredibly talented, but
Speaker 1: number two super smart that you're that you're thinking proactively
Speaker 1: for yourself. And I do feel like that's possible in
Speaker 1: this day and age. I just don't think that people
Speaker 1: necessarily maybe they don't have you're just innate confidence, right,
Speaker 1: I'm just going to do this or whatever. But also
Speaker 1: that's why I like to tell the stories like this,
Speaker 1: because I feel like, like, do you know Benito Skinner?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, yeah, you know him before? Yes, he's so super,
Speaker 2: super super sweet and that show incredible, Right. I was
Speaker 2: able to have such a beautiful moment with him last
Speaker 2: summer at the Hollywood Cemetery. He's good friends with my
Speaker 2: friend Janet and we went to see the anniversary showing
Speaker 2: of Clueless, and so she's on one of the Bravo shows,
Speaker 2: The Valley and so we were in with like the
Speaker 2: talent section, and he was with us, and I happened
Speaker 2: to go to the bathroom at the same time with him,
Speaker 2: and I just had this conversation where I was saying
Speaker 2: the same thing, like, I'm so inspired. It's so great
Speaker 2: seeing you. He made this, Yeah, brought it to life,
Speaker 2: you're shepherding. It's such an inspiration, especially as a fellow
Speaker 2: gay person, like so gay.
Speaker 1: Person and super creative, so nice and so hard working
Speaker 1: and so creatively you know, engaged, right, But he started
Speaker 1: making his you know, spoofy videos.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent on Instagram, TikTok or whatever, I guess,
Speaker 2: and you never know where it's going to lead, never
Speaker 2: and you just have to put yourself out there and
Speaker 2: do it.
Speaker 1: You have to do it.
Speaker 2: And honestly, I feel like that's such an extension of
Speaker 2: my teenage years and even tying back to what the
Speaker 2: show did for me because when I moved to La
Speaker 2: I was eighteen. Wow, I saved up. I was working
Speaker 2: at PF. Chang's in Tulsa, which I also have a
Speaker 2: good story because I was working at PF. Chang's the
Speaker 2: night of the series finale and I've heard you talk
Speaker 2: about what the impact of the show was for the
Speaker 2: outside world because it was such obviously such an insular
Speaker 2: experience for you being in the middle of it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And I mean I can remember before the show premiered,
Speaker 2: front page in the newspaper, like the headline let's talk
Speaker 2: about sex and this like in the newspaper in Oklahoma,
Speaker 2: before the show ever premiered. How much of a cultural
Speaker 2: phenomenon it was.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: And by the time the series was wrapping up, it
Speaker 2: was like, it's so hard to describe what it was
Speaker 2: like going to work that night and every single person
Speaker 2: coming in the door in this busy restaurant in the
Speaker 2: middle of the winter, and every single person was, well,
Speaker 2: are you going to blah blah blah. I was watching
Speaker 2: the show. Do you want to know? Do you want
Speaker 2: to know? And it was like this palpable And at
Speaker 2: one point during the shift somebody said that there was
Speaker 2: like somebody was a little tipsy, and somebody said, at
Speaker 2: this table she wound up with big and the entire
Speaker 2: place cheered, Like it was It's so hard to describe
Speaker 2: because it wasn't like the Super Bowl. It just felt bigger.
Speaker 2: It felt so culturally pervasive.
Speaker 1: That those days where we could have a group experience,
Speaker 1: not none of us, but just in general, you know,
Speaker 1: like the grouping experience of watching something together talking about
Speaker 1: something you know in culture. And I mean it kind
Speaker 1: of happens now, like I guess stranger things, you know,
Speaker 1: but it's still kind of separated, you know, like in
Speaker 1: terms of the cultural conversation and the experience of watching
Speaker 1: it totally.
Speaker 2: But Sex and the City started it, Oh.
Speaker 1: I don't really started it. But you're adorable.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I And that's another thing that I said
Speaker 2: before we started. I will defend to the death that
Speaker 2: I truly believe Sex and the City is the most
Speaker 2: significant TV show that's ever been made.
Speaker 1: You're adorable.
Speaker 2: I say it without hyperboles. I know, because if you
Speaker 2: look like the history of television, what TV was as
Speaker 2: a medium as an art form before Sex and the
Speaker 2: City changed forever after it, I don't know it was
Speaker 2: a truly it's like a deviating path in the timeline.
Speaker 1: Even if that's true. But I really appreciate it. I mean,
Speaker 1: I do love us. I do love us, right Obviously
Speaker 1: I would do a podcast about it if I didn't
Speaker 1: love us. But I don't know about like it's still
Speaker 1: a little hard for me to fully be objective.
Speaker 2: I say, like I take for example, Euphoria, something that's
Speaker 2: airing right now. Yeah, it's Hans zimmer Is doing the
Speaker 2: score for every episode. Kodak invented a new type of
Speaker 2: film for the season to be shot on. You aren't
Speaker 2: getting these experiences in the movie theater these days, oh wowow.
Speaker 2: And this show on HBO is getting this, Like Sam
Speaker 2: Levinson is just getting to make the movie of his
Speaker 2: dreams every week. Yeah, that is a direct result. But
Speaker 2: that's but that's even just somebody, even if whether or
Speaker 2: not you like it like somebody is able, or whether
Speaker 2: or not you think it's either.
Speaker 1: I understand what you're sayingbody another level.
Speaker 2: The creative license to and if you thought about if
Speaker 2: you think about TV pre nineteen ninety eight, that imagin
Speaker 2: you're right, You're right, I do.
Speaker 1: I would put us in Sopranos. I think because Sopranos,
Speaker 1: like because of what they were able to do creatively.
Speaker 1: I think because we both happened at the same time,
Speaker 1: which was of course, you know the brilliance of the
Speaker 1: people working on HBO at the time. Yeah, Carolyn and Chris,
Speaker 1: it was really just those two which is also really funny.
Speaker 1: Like people think it was like a whole team of people.
Speaker 1: Not not really. It was a really small group.
Speaker 2: But to that end, I listened to the episode of
Speaker 2: this podcast where you were talking with the executive HBO,
Speaker 2: and I loved hearing you say it because I've always
Speaker 2: believed it, but you you laid out the timeline, and
Speaker 2: Sex and the City was first. It's true, and because
Speaker 2: of the success of Sex and the City, the Sopranos
Speaker 2: got this creative license to just be what it was.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that they went together, and I
Speaker 1: think that they they I mean, we were I think
Speaker 1: the thing that's interesting about it is, at the time,
Speaker 1: which I think I said before, we were very much
Speaker 1: like the Girly Show, Right, we were like a little
Speaker 1: bit lesser than I don't know, it felt like that's
Speaker 1: that's how it felt at the time.
Speaker 2: Right. Oh, it pisses me off? Who I got steamed?
Speaker 2: Ooh I got riled up by you.
Speaker 1: You're so cute?
Speaker 2: No, I really do.
Speaker 1: I mean, but in a lot of ways it made
Speaker 1: sense because I think at the beginning of us, no
Speaker 1: one ever thought we'd win an Emmy. A comedy on
Speaker 1: cable had never won an Emmy, right, it wasn't you
Speaker 1: know whatever. And Sopranos was also really creating first in
Speaker 1: so many ways for HBO. So we had we were
Speaker 1: like tandem, right, comedy, half hour you know, hour long
Speaker 1: drama obviously, and they got so many kudos.
Speaker 2: Of course they did, because it's the Mafia.
Speaker 3: Gross show, right, but they were also really great. Oh completely, yeah, completely,
Speaker 3: And that's not that's not to describe it them. I
Speaker 3: just feel like I've spent twenty years like defending, like
Speaker 3: going to that and be like, no, Sex.
Speaker 2: And the City was first. True thing about Sex and
Speaker 2: the City is that it was a level of honesty
Speaker 2: that didn't exist on television.
Speaker 1: That's true, all right. So for episode for twelve to
Speaker 1: say yes, my Hondai hot take is going to be
Speaker 1: I just can't stop thinking about the scene where Aiden
Speaker 1: finally proposes to Carrie in the street is so beautiful,
Speaker 1: beautiful New York night, summer night. The air is kind
Speaker 1: of misty, and Carrie's got her tiny little running of
Speaker 1: shorts on, and of course she doesn't even suspect at
Speaker 1: this point that he's going to propose, even though she's
Speaker 1: been expecting it, and we don't know the audience doesn't
Speaker 1: know that he's changed the ring out, so I think
Speaker 1: it's just so good the way he does it. And
Speaker 1: he pretends that he's getting a doggy boop bag, which is,
Speaker 1: you know, very aiden, and then he has this beautiful
Speaker 1: ring and she's taken off guard and plays it so
Speaker 1: beautifully and then ends up saying yes, even though we
Speaker 1: know the whole episode long, she's been having all of
Speaker 1: this anxiety about it and hasn't been sure. So I
Speaker 1: think I would say I would say that that's my
Speaker 1: hot take because it's such a beautiful moment and it's
Speaker 1: filmed so beautifully and acted so beautifully that I'm going
Speaker 1: to say that that is my Hyundai hot take of
Speaker 1: the episode, celebrating iconic moments, bold moves, and unforgettable style,
Speaker 1: just like Hyundai. One of the things that I am
Speaker 1: aware of when I am rewatching, I hadn't really realized
Speaker 1: how really brave we were in our storytelling, not just
Speaker 1: with the writing and the honesty, but like the visuals,
Speaker 1: Like everything was so elevated and really beautiful, and you
Speaker 1: don't even though now we have eight million shows, right,
Speaker 1: you don't really see that now. But even with the
Speaker 1: same thing, and I'm not up to date on Euphoria,
Speaker 1: but like that is like a little movie every week, right,
Speaker 1: and that's I think, like the the joy of it.
Speaker 1: And maybe you don't love it necessarily. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm not up on it. It's a lot.
Speaker 2: I love it, you love it. I love that.
Speaker 1: My issue is that once I get the kids to bed,
Speaker 1: I have like one hour, right, and I am scared
Speaker 1: to watch something so intense because then I can't sleep.
Speaker 1: It's a little intense for me.
Speaker 2: I will say, because you're Pisce's right, I am also
Speaker 2: all of my Piss's friends are obsessed with it. Really,
Speaker 2: it hits do you. It's like, did you enjoy the
Speaker 2: very first kill Bill? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh I love kill Bill?
Speaker 2: That season three of Euphoria. Oh, it really is so imaginative. Okay,
Speaker 2: it's a constant. Everything feels like a dream and a poem.
Speaker 1: But it's like possibly also a nightmare.
Speaker 2: Oh, I mean in terms of a storytelling, I mean
Speaker 2: it's it's a scary part. You get a fantasy sequence
Speaker 2: that it's like I always think about in Kill Bill
Speaker 2: Volume one, one of the scenes is fully anime and
Speaker 2: you're not taken out of the movie true, and it's
Speaker 2: it's Lucy Lu's character's backstory, but it's just an anime
Speaker 2: forgot about. And then one sequence, as you're watching it
Speaker 2: goes completely black and white. You don't notice it until
Speaker 2: it's and it's things like that. So all of my
Speaker 2: like all of my Pissy's friends who are obsessed with
Speaker 2: like Pan's Labyrinth or you know, things like that, it's
Speaker 2: just that's not me. It might be a little too scary.
Speaker 2: But the level of imagination is what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Which is just impressive.
Speaker 2: It's very impressive bridled imagination.
Speaker 1: And that's what's really amazing about HBO. And you know,
Speaker 1: I really hope that they're able to to keep their
Speaker 1: own autonomy in the current insanity of our business, you know,
Speaker 1: because they do allow people to take those risks one percent.
Speaker 2: And that's where Sex and the City stands alone. Also,
Speaker 2: Sarah Jessica doing Sex in the City. That's another reason
Speaker 2: the show was so significant. There'd never been a movie
Speaker 2: star that had just all of a sudden done TV
Speaker 2: like that. That that's truly true. It was because I,
Speaker 2: Sarah Jessica was such like I grew up with the
Speaker 2: vhs of Flight to the Navigator as one of my
Speaker 2: very first repeat movies, like it was Brave, Little Toaster,
Speaker 2: Little Mermaid, and Fly to the Navigator. I had all
Speaker 2: of her dialogue from Flight to the Navigator burned into
Speaker 2: my brain from.
Speaker 1: The time this is like out of my realm of knowledge.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, yeah, it's someone else brought this up
Speaker 1: to me and I was like, I don't even know
Speaker 1: what you're talking.
Speaker 2: It's a beautiful movie, wow, and she's an icon in it.
Speaker 2: It's missed. But then she went from that to you know,
Speaker 2: as a child, like I'm talking, I was watching that
Speaker 2: as a two year old on repeat, crazy, and then
Speaker 2: from there it was hocus Pocus, which again on repeat,
Speaker 2: and then First Wives Club. I was like this little
Speaker 2: fifth grade gay boy who couldn't stop watching First Wives Club.
Speaker 2: And so it was just like this string. And then
Speaker 2: that led right into seeing the newspaper of Sarah Jessica Parker,
Speaker 2: let's talk about sex in the newspaper, and being like,
Speaker 2: she's on a show. So it was just this like
Speaker 2: seamless thing for me to excuriing. I like that.
Speaker 1: I like that she would like that too, that would
Speaker 1: be nice for her to hear. I love it.
Speaker 2: Honestly when that's that's one of the things I think
Speaker 2: I might have dm you at some point in my
Speaker 2: many diary entries I've sent you over the years, just
Speaker 2: like even even that, you know, because I've always told
Speaker 2: you that the show was such a guiding light for
Speaker 2: me in my life, and even her being carried in it,
Speaker 2: that was, you know, she was somebody as an actor
Speaker 2: who's been with me since I was two years old.
Speaker 1: That's amazing.
Speaker 2: This is you know, there's a level of of love
Speaker 2: and kinship that you feel not only for the characters
Speaker 2: but for you as actors, and how significant these roles
Speaker 2: have been in so many people's lives, especially my life.
Speaker 2: Like it's it's it's really really remarkable. It's so nice.
Speaker 1: It's so nice to feel that, and it's I think
Speaker 1: the joy, the joy of it. Was just the other day,
Speaker 1: Lisa Kudro, who's been you know, out i know, right
Speaker 1: talking about the comeback and it's over now, which I'm
Speaker 1: so sad and it's so good, and she was talking
Speaker 1: about she's been talking about so many fascinating things out there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's super fascinating person. And she was talking about how
Speaker 1: she had always thought that fame would feel like a
Speaker 1: warm hug, but that it didn't. It felt and I
Speaker 1: can't remember the word she used, but something like a
Speaker 1: like an onslaught, like a you know, like an attack
Speaker 1: or whatever. Which sometimes it can obviously, I think, and
Speaker 1: feel like both right, but sometimes and it kind of
Speaker 1: comes and goes in waves in terms of the intensity
Speaker 1: of it, which I think is also important. Someone said
Speaker 1: that to me when I was really young, like, oh,
Speaker 1: it won't always be you know, if you're having a
Speaker 1: rough day with it or whatever, It's not always going
Speaker 1: to be that, which is important to remember. But the
Speaker 1: warm hug part, I think is like when you can
Speaker 1: get a little distance from it and then you can
Speaker 1: kind of not feel so inundated, you know, with whatever
Speaker 1: you know you're going through or whatever, and you can
Speaker 1: just have the connection with people and the connection that
Speaker 1: people have with the work and with characters and with
Speaker 1: what you all made, which is so like, isn't that
Speaker 1: why we do what we do?
Speaker 2: And I told you this before and just like that ever,
Speaker 2: even Premiered, I was so amazed by what a gift
Speaker 2: that was for actors to be able to revisit characters
Speaker 2: in these sort of and that's the exact same thing
Speaker 2: that Lisa must be experiencing right now with the Comeback,
Speaker 2: which is interesting because they're both Michael Patrick n projects
Speaker 2: and it's these very unique experiences for actors where you've
Speaker 2: not only been able to craft these characters with so
Speaker 2: much love and soul, but you've been able to shepherd
Speaker 2: them across decades. I agree, and I don't think there
Speaker 2: are and I said this to you when and just
Speaker 2: like that premiered, I don't think there are actors who've
Speaker 2: ever gotten to experience that. No, I know it's ever
Speaker 2: gotten to agree that what an achievement that is.
Speaker 1: I agree, I agree, it is an achievement, and we
Speaker 1: are really really happy that we got to do it.
Speaker 1: Don't get me started on that.
Speaker 2: Well. Yeah, I mean, you know, I much like the Comeback.
Speaker 2: When I first watched it, I never ever thought that
Speaker 2: it would come back, and then here we are totally.
Speaker 2: It's it's I am I'm always I'm always hold holding
Speaker 2: out faith for my girls because.
Speaker 1: Sweet, you know, we did have Michael Patrick here and
Speaker 1: he said, I said to him, what are you going
Speaker 1: to do? This was last week, I want to say,
Speaker 1: and he said, you know now that the comeback is
Speaker 1: done and we're done. I'm all out of IP. I
Speaker 1: got to create some fresh IP. And I was like,
Speaker 1: I tried to really like hold myself together when he.
Speaker 2: Said that I can, can I can? I speak freely
Speaker 2: of course. Okay, So my dream, my dream of dreams. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I always want my girls back. I need I need
Speaker 2: them like I will follow them into the sunset. I
Speaker 2: always need them. But my dream of Dreams is the
Speaker 2: original show format thirty minutes, like the same with with
Speaker 2: Carrie voiceover narrating.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you don't mean the original format where we
Speaker 1: talked to the camera.
Speaker 2: I mean like how far back? No no, no, no,
Speaker 2: I'm talking when the when the series was like firing
Speaker 2: on all cylinders. Yes, there is, and you can see
Speaker 2: it like people doing parodies. People will write tweets in
Speaker 2: the format of a page of s and it's it's
Speaker 2: like Golden Girls. When Golden Girls hit the Stride, there
Speaker 2: was a structure to the show that these beats and
Speaker 2: it was like, oh, it just it's like hitting a
Speaker 2: tuning fork and that sound just feels good in your soul.
Speaker 2: That's what the episodes of Sex and the City are like.
Speaker 2: The cadence the pacing, how much you get. It all
Speaker 2: happens lightning fast in those episodes. But by the time
Speaker 2: you finish the season, you've had these character arcs that
Speaker 2: just especially by the time you get to season four.
Speaker 1: Which I'm so excited to be talking about it.
Speaker 2: By the time you get to season four, you're seeing
Speaker 2: these women's lives change even though you've been watching these
Speaker 2: thirty minute episodes, and that was like, that is my dream.
Speaker 2: I want point I want twenty thirty minute episodes. I
Speaker 2: want Carrie's voiceover back. I want the music that was
Speaker 2: also such a something that you know as a musician.
Speaker 2: I love the music in the first series, these jazz interstitials,
Speaker 2: these and then by the time and also season four
Speaker 2: is when you start getting the really good needle drops.
Speaker 2: I think the episode after the one that we're reviewing
Speaker 2: today is when the Shade song comes on. And that's
Speaker 2: all makes me cry because of the show, and it's.
Speaker 1: The end of the.
Speaker 2: Season iHeart and why that is my favorite episode of
Speaker 2: Sex and the City that Exists and Moon River end
Speaker 2: capping that episode is like it makes me sob my
Speaker 2: eyes out, and there's just you know, the I don't know,
Speaker 2: there's something about the music and the pace is how
Speaker 2: it all came together.
Speaker 1: I know what you're saying. I know what you're saying.
Speaker 1: I don't think that we can recreate that. I totally
Speaker 1: know why you would want us to recreate that, but
Speaker 1: I don't think it can be done. And I think that, Michael,
Speaker 1: when we did and just like that and the end,
Speaker 1: then we'll go, we're going to talk about the episode. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm telling my self as much as you. When we
Speaker 1: went to do it just like that, he felt really
Speaker 1: strongly that we had to be extremely clear that we
Speaker 1: were not going to be recreating the show because we
Speaker 1: would just fail because we're because we're in our fifties now,
Speaker 1: and we can't be the same show and it can't
Speaker 1: be the same rhythm and it can't be all of
Speaker 1: those things. And I get what he was saying, because
Speaker 1: it would be it would be strange to have us
Speaker 1: in this whole, whole, very different decade, right trying to
Speaker 1: do that. I think there's probably a happy medium, right,
Speaker 1: but he just felt very strongly from his point of view,
Speaker 1: that it had to we had to be clear that
Speaker 1: we are being very different. Well.
Speaker 2: I think is so interesting is that he is saying
Speaker 2: that but also making the comeback, which good point is
Speaker 2: that even though the tone the good point the place
Speaker 2: in life, the tone of season three of the comeback
Speaker 2: is completely different. That's your cadence is the same when
Speaker 2: you sit down to experience, Yes, experientially the same thing,
Speaker 2: but the tone.
Speaker 1: Is the tone is different. Right. I mean I watch this,
Speaker 1: Oh I watched it, Yes, but I didn't watch the
Speaker 1: I haven't watched the first one in a long time.
Speaker 2: Oh, okay, I mean that's you know that is it's
Speaker 2: it's kind of like akin to old Ricky Gervais situational
Speaker 2: single cam like the Original Office. It's like humiliation comedy.
Speaker 2: It's deeply uncomfortable to watch.
Speaker 1: That's how I felt the first time. And it was
Speaker 1: also right at the end of our show, right, And
Speaker 1: it was about a forty something year old actress who
Speaker 1: was who was who was over quote over trying to
Speaker 1: make a comeback, yeah, and being humiliated all the time.
Speaker 1: And I was basically just laying on my couch crying
Speaker 1: because the show was over.
Speaker 2: So I was like, we can't do that.
Speaker 1: And I felt so guilty because I couldn't watch it.
Speaker 1: I love him so much. I wanted to support. I
Speaker 1: was like, it's like daggers in my heart.
Speaker 2: I can't but now. And to what I was saying,
Speaker 2: even though it's the same format, we're experiencing Valerie Cherish
Speaker 2: in a totally different way.
Speaker 1: Is true.
Speaker 2: In this season. We're seeing even though similar things might
Speaker 2: be happening to her, we're seeing that she has so
Speaker 2: much wisdom, and she's so much respect, so much heart,
Speaker 2: and so much and people are giving her her flowers
Speaker 2: the entire season. Yes, and it feels very natural because
Speaker 2: of the time progression, and they didn't have to throw
Speaker 2: the baby out with the bathwater. They didn't have to
Speaker 2: completely reinvent the show to do that.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're giving me good ideas. That's really really true.
Speaker 1: That's really really true. I hadn't thought about that. You
Speaker 1: know what I think is also interesting, And I'll have
Speaker 1: to think about this so more because you bring up
Speaker 1: good points. Lisa and Michael wrote the whole this season together, right,
Speaker 1: and they wrote in the beginning together. So I think
Speaker 1: that because you have another voice with you, maybe he
Speaker 1: doesn't have as much pressure.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's a big thing.
Speaker 1: Really carries the pressure, the creative pressure, totally like kind
Speaker 1: of alone even though we have these incredible writers, you know,
Speaker 1: it takes.
Speaker 2: It so and I cannot imagine what that must be
Speaker 2: like with Sex and the City because, as I said,
Speaker 2: it is the most significant TV show in the history
Speaker 2: of television. So that's a lot of pressure weighing on that.
Speaker 2: But pressure makes diamonds, pressure mixed dimonds.
Speaker 1: That's so true. All right, here, let's talk about this
Speaker 1: episode because it's a good episode. Oh my god, it's
Speaker 1: called just Say Yes. And honestly, this is I've said
Speaker 1: this before. I mean, I don't remember a lot of
Speaker 1: season four because I do believe in my mind that
Speaker 1: I had season three and season four were together because
Speaker 1: Charlotte's arc is still the same, same, right like, because
Speaker 1: the Trey marriage overlaps in a way that was never
Speaker 1: supposed to happen, right yeah, And I'm going through all
Speaker 1: the things like I didn't separate them in my mind,
Speaker 1: I think, which is why I think they were all
Speaker 1: just these three to me.
Speaker 2: And also, I have to say this before we get
Speaker 2: into the episode itself, how did you feel going into
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess season three and four because to me,
Speaker 2: having watched every episode at least seventy times, like actually
Speaker 2: how did you feel as an actor just getting these scripts?
Speaker 1: Because this is very excited, very excited, very excited. I
Speaker 1: mean that's always how I mean, this is how I felt.
Speaker 1: We would get the script in a Manila envelow the
Speaker 1: seat back before they would do the watermarking and all
Speaker 1: that stuff, right, and you would just go your trailer
Speaker 1: and rip it over and try to read it before
Speaker 1: they called you back to the set, you know, because
Speaker 1: you're just dying to know what's going to happen. Well, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: we would have known from Michael the general arc, right,
Speaker 1: and so you would he would always give us the
Speaker 1: plan and run it by us and get our thoughts
Speaker 1: and whatever, but you never knew how that was going
Speaker 1: to manifest itself into script, right, And because each script
Speaker 1: is assigned to a different writer, so this this particular script,
Speaker 1: just say yes, it's Cindy Schubag.
Speaker 2: I have to interject, I have another layer of vel
Speaker 2: in my life. I'm from Tulsa, Oklahoma, where Cindy is from. Yes,
Speaker 2: and so growing up watching it, my best childhood friend, Heather,
Speaker 2: her older sister, was lifelong best friends with Cindy's sister
Speaker 2: and they're both Jewish. The Jewish community and Tulsa is
Speaker 2: very tight knit, and so growing up watching Sex and
Speaker 2: the City, Heather's dad, Larry was just always always bragging
Speaker 2: about her and oh, have you watched Sex in the City.
Speaker 2: You know, Cindy Shupac is writing it. And so it
Speaker 2: was just like when I saw that, when I saw
Speaker 2: that she wrote this episode of I was like.
Speaker 1: And it's such a good one. And she really is
Speaker 1: very Charlotte, very very Charlottie. All the all the writers
Speaker 1: in the room considered her to be like a good
Speaker 1: Charlotte voice, right, because she's very you know she she
Speaker 1: came on the show and she said she was a Charlotte.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure she had a lot of even though
Speaker 1: at this point in their lives, the writers didn't have
Speaker 1: a lot of this experience that Charlotte's having yet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was like they hadn't found their person, try to
Speaker 1: get pregnant, all that stuff. But she really wanted all
Speaker 1: those things in the same way that Charlotte does.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: And the thing that's interesting in this particular one, I
Speaker 1: would say for myself when I rewatched it, so much
Speaker 1: happens with Charlotte. Like I had thought that these different
Speaker 1: scenes I remember the scenes, but I thought they were
Speaker 1: in different episodes. I didn't realize they were all jam
Speaker 1: packed into Yes, and let me just ask you, because
Speaker 1: this is on the top of my mind. Yes, do
Speaker 1: you remember when I don't know if we've explained this
Speaker 1: or not, right, Like, do you remember when he tells
Speaker 1: me that he doesn't really want to have a baby
Speaker 1: anymore and he's tired and I walk into the other
Speaker 1: room and that mural is there? Do you know what
Speaker 1: that is?
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: Isn't it kind of scary?
Speaker 2: I mean, it's terrifying. It's like I feel like there's
Speaker 2: a certain element of like Tim Burton macrob to all
Speaker 2: of that, Like what's that the Manhattan? Who's it? Like
Speaker 2: that mural? Charlotte's like, oh you need a Manhattan? Who's it?
Speaker 2: And it's like this weird like what the heck crawd
Speaker 2: out of Tim Burton?
Speaker 1: And I remember at the time I was I think
Speaker 1: I felt the same way, but also like I didn't
Speaker 1: want to hurt anyone's feelings. I didn't know who had
Speaker 1: painted it, Like this is the situation you're in on
Speaker 1: a set. It's for the baby, it's the baby's room.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's Oh no, I knew it was for the
Speaker 2: baby's but it's still like, you know, I don't.
Speaker 1: I didn't get to the bottom of it.
Speaker 2: I don't know why, but like when I'm.
Speaker 1: Recing and I'm like, wow, it's scarier than even I
Speaker 1: realized at the time, and it's also so big and
Speaker 1: it doesn't go with their apartment at all. What that happened.
Speaker 1: And then there's like a chest that's also dark green,
Speaker 1: and later on I think I have to deal with that.
Speaker 1: I remember that being like looming large or whatever, scary
Speaker 1: kind of scary, but also like the way that I
Speaker 1: like walk in there and like look at it.
Speaker 2: It's all very that's something too. I was so excited
Speaker 2: that I got asked to review this episode because I
Speaker 2: feel like it's right in the middle. There's a string
Speaker 2: of episodes that are Charlotte's like greatest hits. The episode
Speaker 2: before ends with We're having a baby and your delivery
Speaker 2: on that it makes me cry every time I've seen
Speaker 2: the show eight thousand times. It makes me cry every time,
Speaker 2: and it's it's and then you go from that to
Speaker 2: this episode I'm getting some juice and I don't know,
Speaker 2: and then the next episode, Like, it's just it's a lot.
Speaker 2: All these all these scripts are Charlotte's it's the Charlotte's
Speaker 2: greatest hits.
Speaker 1: I know, it's definitely a lot. And I don't even
Speaker 1: know at the time if I realized that, you don't
Speaker 1: even saying, like if I really was, like, maybe that's
Speaker 1: also why maybe maybe don't remember I remember stuff about
Speaker 1: filming it, right, But like the fact that it's all
Speaker 1: in one and I mean in this particular episode and
Speaker 1: then we'll be more linear or whatever. But we're pisy,
Speaker 1: so let's not. I had Ausive man Veon he's also
Speaker 1: a pissy. Oh we ended up seeing George Harrison, who's
Speaker 1: also a talking about whether time existed or not.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a spear right, right, it's right, everything everywhere,
Speaker 2: all at once, so we're.
Speaker 1: There, let's only have guests.
Speaker 2: But it's true, but also like you can't you can
Speaker 2: only take certain episodes, You can only take any of
Speaker 2: these episodes without the context of the entire season and
Speaker 2: the series. So I feel like you kind of have
Speaker 2: to zoom in, like you have to have the macro
Speaker 2: to discuss the micro. That's what I love about this
Speaker 2: season is I mean Honestly, It's one of the things
Speaker 2: that I love so much about the show in general,
Speaker 2: is because you started thinking you're getting the sitcom right,
Speaker 2: and by the time the entire series wraps, you have
Speaker 2: the most beautiful, satisfying character arcs that have ever been
Speaker 2: put to film, and I mean all four characters. You
Speaker 2: have Charlotte at the very final episode this is our
Speaker 2: baby God, like you have Miranda, Steve your mother can
Speaker 2: come live with us, I forgot. And then you have Samantha,
Speaker 2: you were the greatest man I've ever known. And then
Speaker 2: you have Carrie with her phone and her voiceover saying
Speaker 2: the greatest relationship you can ever have in your life
Speaker 2: is the relationship that you get with yourself. And if
Speaker 2: you find someone else who loves you along the way,
Speaker 2: well then that's just fabulous, amazing. They are the four
Speaker 2: it's all intertwined, and they are the greatest arcs that
Speaker 2: you've ever gotten, and each season is also its own arc.
Speaker 2: And I feel like, having seen the show so many times,
Speaker 2: Charlotte was the very first one of the four characters
Speaker 2: that started really getting like the meat and bones character
Speaker 2: arc starting in season three. Wow, and especially just seeing
Speaker 2: seeing the scripts that you were working with. It was
Speaker 2: because everybody. Everybody got that. Every single one of these
Speaker 2: characters went into some real definitely, but Charlotte was the
Speaker 2: first one. Charlotte was with interesting, her marriage dissolving and
Speaker 2: then the fertility journey. Yeah, Charlotte was the first one
Speaker 2: who was like, especially as an actor, they were throwing
Speaker 2: you into some real shit.
Speaker 1: They were, they were. I mean I look back on it,
Speaker 1: and I mean I do think I was very excited.
Speaker 1: I think it was kind of scared. And then like
Speaker 1: when I watch it, I'm like, oh my god, so
Speaker 1: much is happening. So much is happening. And if I
Speaker 1: were to do it now, obviously thirty years later or
Speaker 1: twenty five years later, whatever it is, you know, I
Speaker 1: would have more to call upon as an actor. But
Speaker 1: I feel like the thing that's interesting watching it because
Speaker 1: Charlotte is one of my best friends. Described Charlotte as
Speaker 1: like my younger sister, you know, because she's different but similar, right,
Speaker 1: and she's kind of more you know, innocent in some
Speaker 1: ways and whatnot that I am. I don't know if
Speaker 1: that's the right word, but you know, she needs her
Speaker 1: She hasn't been through all this yet, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying so, like sometimes when I watch a scene
Speaker 1: like sometimes I'll watch a scene like I love the
Speaker 1: scene when Cynthia when I do go. You know, Cynthia
Speaker 1: decided to keep the baby. I love that scene. I'm
Speaker 1: not totally sure about my performance on the street though.
Speaker 1: That was last episode too. You know, when Cynthia follows me,
Speaker 1: when Miranda follows me, are you.
Speaker 2: Sure fifteen percent? Fifteen percent chance I've ever Are you kidding?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, No, you feel that, Simon at all times,
Speaker 1: you guys.
Speaker 2: I will be because no, you feel that in your
Speaker 2: got There's okay, there's panic, there is shame. All of
Speaker 2: these things come out of Charlotte's eyes and face in
Speaker 2: okay seconds and this, and you get to see Cynthia
Speaker 2: like Miranda shifts because she's so pissed, and then you
Speaker 2: see her heartbreak.
Speaker 1: Yes, and it's she's so good.
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, no, no, no no no. I
Speaker 2: will not take this, La no, because it's I'm.
Speaker 1: Telling you you need to be implanted in my brain.
Speaker 2: No, I will because you're so sweet. Charlotte's greatest heads.
Speaker 1: Okay, so let me ask you this. Let me ask
Speaker 1: you this about Charlotte Okay, so this this this, But
Speaker 1: as I'm watching, I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, oh this,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, they're all together. And my favorite, one
Speaker 1: of my favorite scenes, which I fondly remember and did
Speaker 1: live up to my to my memories of it, is
Speaker 1: when I'm practicing my mandarin yes and I'm doing my
Speaker 1: nails and my vintage slip. Okay, I really remember the scene,
Speaker 1: and I hope this is okay that I'm going to
Speaker 1: say this. This episode is directed by David Frankel and
Speaker 1: David Franklin. His wife had gone through in vitro, and
Speaker 1: he was one of a big, a big influence on
Speaker 1: how I did things because he had a lot of
Speaker 1: thoughts and feelings and you know, they have two beautiful
Speaker 1: children and it all worked out, but it had been hard, right,
Speaker 1: and he would talk to me a lot about it,
Speaker 1: which was helpful because I didn't have a lot of
Speaker 1: friends at that point who had gone through.
Speaker 2: It was still a relatively new thing. It was. It
Speaker 2: was a big Yeah, it was a very big deal. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So when you know, when I'm telling Trey like, oh,
Speaker 1: this person, that person in our building, and he's like,
Speaker 1: what did you do? Put up a memo, you know,
Speaker 1: because there was no shame right about it, which is
Speaker 1: kind of adorable. But and now I feel like a
Speaker 1: lot of that shame has gone. Thank God, all right,
Speaker 1: But I think for Charlotte too, because Charlotte wants to
Speaker 1: be perfected everything, and so it's hard, you know, and
Speaker 1: also in Vito, as much as it's really commonly discussed,
Speaker 1: it is a hard thing to go through. Oh yes,
Speaker 1: it's not easy. It makes you feel like you're a
Speaker 1: lunatic when you're on all those hormones.
Speaker 4: Play so well, and from the moment it opens with
Speaker 4: the shot and the butt, it's just this manic hyped
Speaker 4: and it's so subtle because somebody could have taken that
Speaker 4: to a place of ridiculousness and you did.
Speaker 1: It was the hitch because I'm sometimes sometimes I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: First of all, I do want to say, that's not
Speaker 1: my butt. I definitely drew the line. I was like,
Speaker 1: I Am not going to stand there with a close
Speaker 1: up on my butt while you're pretending to put a
Speaker 1: needle in it. That it would be no, And I
Speaker 1: can I can so totally tell because it's not shaped right.
Speaker 1: But whatever, it's cool. It's very nice it's very nice.
Speaker 1: It's nicer than mine anyway. That made me laugh. But
Speaker 1: like when I like the the I had forgotten about
Speaker 1: the fling, the Scottish fling. Oh my god, Like I'm
Speaker 1: not sure if I was crazy enough or whatever. I
Speaker 1: did really like how I played the scene where Franny
Speaker 1: Bunny tells me it's perfect that she does not appreciate
Speaker 1: mandarin food.
Speaker 2: The devastation on your face.
Speaker 1: And I also felt it all over again, like how
Speaker 1: dare she?
Speaker 2: There's so much devastation. That's what I'm saying this, this
Speaker 2: this chunk of episodes, it's Charlotte's greatest hits, the instant devastation,
Speaker 2: the betrayal, because it's that's like such a line to
Speaker 2: cross with like that tray has crossed, but he's divulged.
Speaker 1: That definitely, definitely.
Speaker 2: And it's just no, no, no, that the line delivery
Speaker 2: there is it's it's it's beautiful, it's a beautiful moment.
Speaker 2: It's it's heartbreaking and infuriating, but your performance is stunning.
Speaker 1: Good. I like that one. But then when I go
Speaker 1: in to get him out of the center of the
Speaker 1: Scottish dancing and he rips my dress, I'd remember there
Speaker 1: being so much stress about that and Patted had to
Speaker 1: make me that dress because we couldn't find a dress
Speaker 1: and it had to be a specific plaide and then
Speaker 1: he had to rip it, so we had to have multiples.
Speaker 1: So they'd had to make that for me, and I
Speaker 1: remember feeling like this is a whack dress. This dress
Speaker 1: is crazy, like it was so much blood plaid, like
Speaker 1: so much plaid. But he had to rip it, and
Speaker 1: I remember that was really stressful. But I don't know
Speaker 1: if I do that right, Like, am I mad enough?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Oh no, So I watched it again just this morning.
Speaker 2: It's perfect. There's no I've I live, eat and breathe
Speaker 2: these episodes and there's never there's never been a moment
Speaker 2: where like hm, that could have been adjusted.
Speaker 1: Okay, never, Okay, I'm glad because we can't go back now.
Speaker 1: We can't go back to this is what I tell myself.
Speaker 1: But it is a lot like and I do like
Speaker 1: the scene that I love the most. I don't know why.
Speaker 1: I love that scene where I'm doing my nails. It
Speaker 1: goes and I tried to do the mandarins because mandre
Speaker 1: is very hard. Guys. I don't know if you guys,
Speaker 1: have ever tried to speak Mandarin's very hard.
Speaker 2: I took Mandarin in high school. Oh my god, well
Speaker 2: then you're probably and so I spoke like survival Mandarin
Speaker 2: in high school. Okay, as soon as I moved to La,
Speaker 2: I lost it.
Speaker 1: It's hard because it's hard to retain it doesn't you.
Speaker 2: Don't conjugate verbs.
Speaker 1: It's a whole different and the intonation is everything. You
Speaker 1: can totally change your words with the intonation. And I
Speaker 1: was trying to learn it a little bit back then,
Speaker 1: but then I ended up going to Beijing and Shanghai
Speaker 1: to do an ad thing where I had to learn it,
Speaker 1: and I had to have like a consultant teach me
Speaker 1: because it's like impossible, possible, like my three lines, I
Speaker 1: had to have someone teach me. But I love that
Speaker 1: scene because I think I had gotten from David Frankel
Speaker 1: kind of like free Reign to have that scene even
Speaker 1: though it's it's on the paper, like I think he
Speaker 1: does say something like Kyle says we should have just
Speaker 1: your hormones or whatever, but like he just let me
Speaker 1: do every line like crazy, do.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? It's but what is so
Speaker 2: funny is that in that scene after the Scottish planing,
Speaker 2: it feels so grounded.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, it's like, then we're back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, then we're.
Speaker 1: Back because it's obvious that I am doing something that
Speaker 1: Trey is not involved in or whatever. It's like sad,
Speaker 1: it's so sad. And then when he sits down and
Speaker 1: says he's exhausted, he.
Speaker 2: Just wants to play golf.
Speaker 1: He wants to play golf. It's horrible. And then I'm
Speaker 1: like why, I feel like I should be more upset.
Speaker 1: But I also feel that there is kind of like
Speaker 1: a drip drip drip of it, right what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: It's perfectly paced because it ramps up. Because also I
Speaker 2: feel like that's it. That's a dawning realization, that's a
Speaker 2: that's not only just a rug pull. That's not only
Speaker 2: a realization of Charlotte thinking what if I don't have
Speaker 2: a kid. Then that's Charlotte going back to well what
Speaker 2: if this isn't my husband?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Then that's Charlotte going in the nursery and being like,
Speaker 2: I've built a house of lies. What how can I
Speaker 2: be here again?
Speaker 1: Definitely, and so I feel like, you, well, I'm good.
Speaker 1: Then I'm good then, okay, I feel much better. Thank you, Simon.
Speaker 1: Thank you Simon. That's good. That was the perfect description
Speaker 1: of what should be her interior monologue. So I feel
Speaker 1: really good. All right, everyone on, are you as Charlotte.
Speaker 1: We are going to take a break and we will
Speaker 1: be back with more Simon Curtis as the week continues.
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us.