WEBVTT - All about Charlotte with Simon Curtis... (S4 E12 "Just Say Yes") 0:00:01.639 --> 0:00:04.880 Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know, are 0:00:04.880 --> 0:00:08.640 you a Charlotte. You guys, you guys. 0:00:08.880 --> 0:00:09.800 We have a very. 0:00:09.680 --> 0:00:12.840 Exciting, a very very exciting guest. Simon Curtis is here 0:00:12.880 --> 0:00:16.160 with us. He is an uber fan. He is a 0:00:16.200 --> 0:00:20.319 super sweetheart. We met on social media of some kind. 0:00:20.320 --> 0:00:21.480 But it was a long time ago. 0:00:21.800 --> 0:00:23.160 I think like twelve years ago. 0:00:23.160 --> 0:00:26.280 Right, like a long time and he is so great, 0:00:26.360 --> 0:00:28.840 you guys, and I'm so excited to have him, And 0:00:28.880 --> 0:00:31.080 we have a lot of levels of Charlotte that we're 0:00:31.120 --> 0:00:32.400 going to explore. 0:00:32.840 --> 0:00:37.360 A lifetime of Charlotte. A lifetime of Charlotte from age eleven. 0:00:37.680 --> 0:00:41.479 Oh my gosh, amazing, amazing. Do you remember, like how 0:00:41.520 --> 0:00:44.159 did we connect? Because I don't even remember back that remark. 0:00:44.320 --> 0:00:46.199 I've literally been a fan of the show since I 0:00:46.240 --> 0:00:47.000 was eleven years old. 0:00:47.120 --> 0:00:47.440 Wow. 0:00:47.640 --> 0:00:50.279 I used to sneak watch it while my parents were 0:00:50.280 --> 0:00:52.680 watching it. It was like the perfect way to watch 0:00:52.720 --> 0:00:54.600 the show. My parents would be in the living room 0:00:54.640 --> 0:00:56.960 watching it, and then I would go sneak watch it 0:00:57.240 --> 0:01:00.240 in the back room at the same time, and we're 0:01:00.280 --> 0:01:02.040 getting up to go see what I was doing. So 0:01:02.400 --> 0:01:04.560 amazing someday I would watch. 0:01:04.319 --> 0:01:06.160 Oh, I love it. You were watching it in real 0:01:06.200 --> 0:01:09.280 time when I was on the first time on HBO. Yeah, 0:01:09.319 --> 0:01:13.200 well that's fantastic at the ripe age of eleven, Oh 0:01:13.240 --> 0:01:18.039 my gosh, and Di, how did that that? 0:01:18.120 --> 0:01:20.319 Well? I think that was one of the first conversations 0:01:20.360 --> 0:01:23.000 that we ever had. And I feel like I'm going 0:01:23.040 --> 0:01:25.640 to cry six times today, but this is I might 0:01:25.640 --> 0:01:27.720 as well just go ahead and jump into it. I 0:01:27.720 --> 0:01:30.080 think one of the first conversations that we ever had 0:01:30.400 --> 0:01:33.640 was telling you how much of a life raft the 0:01:33.680 --> 0:01:36.720 show was for me. I was an eleven, twelve year 0:01:36.720 --> 0:01:40.120 old gay boy in Oklahoma and in the show premiered 0:01:40.240 --> 0:01:41.480 was it ninety seven or ninety eight? 0:01:41.600 --> 0:01:42.080 Ninety eight? 0:01:42.280 --> 0:01:45.480 So ninety eight, so I was twelve, wow in Oklahoma 0:01:45.920 --> 0:01:49.520 and that was just like an at age twelve that 0:01:49.720 --> 0:01:55.040 was coming into my sexuality, going into puberty, not knowing 0:01:55.160 --> 0:01:59.160 what is this and kind of being so isolated and 0:01:59.240 --> 0:02:02.040 sex and the city was the first thing I ever 0:02:02.080 --> 0:02:06.840 saw that showed gay people that it wasn't a tragedy. 0:02:07.000 --> 0:02:09.359 It wasn't you know, we were coming out of AIDS 0:02:09.400 --> 0:02:11.560 at that time, and it was showing gay people just 0:02:11.680 --> 0:02:16.160 living life like Stanford. I think is second episode with 0:02:16.560 --> 0:02:20.080 you know, the modeled Boney and like that was just 0:02:20.160 --> 0:02:22.640 so like it was so much wonder for me. It 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:25.160 was like, oh my god, this look at this world, 0:02:25.200 --> 0:02:29.280 look at these people, and this is so different and 0:02:29.720 --> 0:02:32.399 he's accepted and look at all this love he's surrounded 0:02:32.400 --> 0:02:35.800 by and just in general, so it was it was 0:02:35.960 --> 0:02:38.560 such a life raft. It meant so much to me 0:02:38.600 --> 0:02:40.440 as a kid, even though you know, you might say 0:02:41.120 --> 0:02:43.320 the show might not be appropriate for a twelve year old, 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:46.440 but it was a life raft. It saved me in 0:02:46.520 --> 0:02:48.760 so many ways. It is such a crucial point in 0:02:48.760 --> 0:02:49.160 my life. 0:02:49.240 --> 0:02:51.680 That is so great. That is so great to hear. 0:02:51.720 --> 0:02:54.760 I mean intellectually we know that to be true in 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:56.839 a way right now, maybe not all twelve year olds 0:02:56.880 --> 0:03:02.120 or whatever, but just that we were We forget i 0:03:02.160 --> 0:03:05.760 think now in twenty twenty six, how different television was 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:10.040 back then. And then it was a culture culture in general. Sorry, absolutely, 0:03:10.200 --> 0:03:14.239 And for me, I was really you know, exposed when 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:16.320 I was ten and I started acting in the community 0:03:16.360 --> 0:03:18.240 theater in South Carolina. That is really where all the 0:03:18.240 --> 0:03:20.960 gay people went, right because you didn't have a lot 0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:26.280 of freedom and options, you know, in regular life in 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:29.080 that time. So I was around gay people like my 0:03:29.120 --> 0:03:32.880 whole life, and I think gay people are fantastic. But 0:03:33.320 --> 0:03:36.400 second of all, you know, it was just so normal, 0:03:36.560 --> 0:03:40.240 like if you're a theater kid, that is your world, right, And. 0:03:40.200 --> 0:03:42.440 I was too, you know, from the time I was ten. 0:03:42.600 --> 0:03:44.760 That's what I was doing. That's great, and you know, 0:03:44.800 --> 0:03:47.320 but it was still at a time when I would 0:03:47.360 --> 0:03:50.920 hear the commentary from my parents who were driving me 0:03:50.960 --> 0:03:54.000 to and from rehearsal about people in the cast, and 0:03:54.440 --> 0:04:00.440 it was just like one of those outside was still yeah, definitely. 0:04:00.480 --> 0:04:03.320 And I was raised Catholic, you know, so it's there's 0:04:03.400 --> 0:04:07.440 there's you know, an addition to yeah, Oklahoma, there's Catholicism. 0:04:07.520 --> 0:04:08.760 There's all of these things. 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:09.000 Yeah. 0:04:09.080 --> 0:04:11.840 Yeah, And and truly Sex and the City was the 0:04:11.880 --> 0:04:17.560 first sort of like guiding light of Wow, there's there's life. 0:04:18.160 --> 0:04:22.160 Yeah, so much like yeah, truly so much. Like that's 0:04:22.160 --> 0:04:24.400 so nice. That's so nice. I'm so glad that you 0:04:24.520 --> 0:04:26.159 reached out on whatever was it Twitter? 0:04:26.360 --> 0:04:28.320 I think it was Twitter, right, I think it was 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:32.520 like Twitter, like twenty sixteen. Wow, I think it was 0:04:32.560 --> 0:04:35.640 twenty sixteen when we were dming in no way. Yeah, 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:37.640 And I just wrote you that whole thing, and I 0:04:37.720 --> 0:04:39.040 was like, I just have to tell you this. 0:04:39.200 --> 0:04:42.640 I'm so glad the best kind of social media, don't 0:04:42.640 --> 0:04:42.960 you think? 0:04:43.200 --> 0:04:45.719 Absolutely? And you've been a part of that sent ever 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:48.039 since we've I feel like we've been pempals we have 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:49.000 ever since that moment. 0:04:49.480 --> 0:04:52.039 True so true, well, because you're just very real and 0:04:52.080 --> 0:04:55.159 you're very positive, and you're super sweet, and you know, 0:04:55.240 --> 0:04:58.440 you're very vulnerable in a way, like you know when 0:04:58.680 --> 0:05:03.000 like I'm not getting go to details, but like things 0:05:03.000 --> 0:05:05.280 have happened to you and you posted about them. 0:05:05.520 --> 0:05:09.200 I was like, silent, that actually is how you became 0:05:09.800 --> 0:05:12.680 my Charlot's godmother. And I have to say I was 0:05:12.720 --> 0:05:15.280 waiting until we were recording to share this because I 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:17.800 don't even know if you are fully still aware of 0:05:17.880 --> 0:05:21.400 the full scope of how serendipitous it was. So in 0:05:21.520 --> 0:05:24.680 twenty twenty one, my partner and I we had been 0:05:24.760 --> 0:05:28.440 spending time in Oklahoma pretty much full time when the 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:31.400 pandemic hit, and like with family, it was just a 0:05:31.520 --> 0:05:34.120 nice place to be at the time. And he was 0:05:34.279 --> 0:05:37.679 modeling in Mexico City and it was September twenty twenty 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:39.920 one and he was gone for like two months, and 0:05:40.200 --> 0:05:43.040 I was there with our sixteen year old Chihuahua, Lexi, 0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:46.800 and she passed in her sleep in the bed with me, 0:05:47.640 --> 0:05:49.880 and you were one of the first people to reach 0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:54.200 out immediately, and you kept checking in on me, and 0:05:54.279 --> 0:05:58.000 it was so kind and so sweet, and it was 0:05:58.520 --> 0:06:01.560 It was right about that time I met a chihuahua 0:06:01.680 --> 0:06:04.240 breeder nearby who let me come to her house for 0:06:04.440 --> 0:06:08.920 puppy therapy. And before Lexi had even passed, my partner 0:06:09.040 --> 0:06:12.040 Jore he started having dreams about a white chihuahua. 0:06:12.360 --> 0:06:12.640 Wow. 0:06:12.839 --> 0:06:15.560 And the first one that I met was the runt 0:06:15.600 --> 0:06:17.720 of the litter, this little white Chiuhaha named Henry and 0:06:17.800 --> 0:06:20.560 from Mexico City. He was like, that's my dog. That's like, 0:06:21.640 --> 0:06:25.520 we have to have him. And then there was this 0:06:25.680 --> 0:06:30.560 other little puppy named Charlotte, and come to find out, 0:06:30.680 --> 0:06:35.000 she was born the night that Lexi passed, and she 0:06:35.880 --> 0:06:38.680 had just all these behavioral isms that were just her 0:06:38.760 --> 0:06:41.080 and I was like, oh my god, this is Lexi, 0:06:41.320 --> 0:06:45.480 Like she reincarnated instantly. Wow. And so when he got 0:06:45.520 --> 0:06:47.680 back from Mexico City, we went to go meet both 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:49.840 of the dogs, and we parked in front of the 0:06:49.920 --> 0:06:52.560 house afterwards, and I just I said in the car, 0:06:52.600 --> 0:06:54.600 I was like, what are we going to do? We 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:58.440 can't get too puppies. And at that exact moment, my 0:06:58.560 --> 0:07:01.440 phone vibrated and it was you sending me a message 0:07:02.040 --> 0:07:04.839 and you said, hi, honey, I know it's been a minute, 0:07:04.880 --> 0:07:06.800 because it was like two and a half weeks or 0:07:06.920 --> 0:07:10.640 like almost a month after the fact. I just wanted 0:07:10.640 --> 0:07:12.080 to check in on you and see how you were 0:07:12.120 --> 0:07:15.520 holding up. And in the car, I just started crying 0:07:15.640 --> 0:07:18.240 and I was like, well, Charlotte just texted me. We're 0:07:18.280 --> 0:07:21.480 getting Charlotte, We're getting two puppies, and. 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:25.120 Oh my god. 0:07:25.320 --> 0:07:28.440 But it was literally the words came out of my mouth. 0:07:28.960 --> 0:07:32.720 We can't get two puppies. Just checking on you, seeing 0:07:32.760 --> 0:07:35.440 how you're doing, and I, yeah, so you've been her, 0:07:35.600 --> 0:07:37.640 You've been her godmother ever since. 0:07:37.760 --> 0:07:38.320 So she doing. 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:40.600 Oh she's so good and she's so good. And the 0:07:40.720 --> 0:07:45.360 other story I was telling you before we started at Airwan, 0:07:45.440 --> 0:07:48.640 because I'm always at Sportsman's Lodge in Studio City. The 0:07:48.720 --> 0:07:51.040 gym is there, and it's just it's like the fun 0:07:51.160 --> 0:07:52.760 place in Studio City now. 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:55.200 Which is really interesting because it wasn't always the case. 0:07:55.280 --> 0:07:56.120 It used to be scary. 0:07:57.840 --> 0:08:00.440 I don't think i'd ever walked through there hill. 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:03.960 They turned and now they've done like this magical brand. 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:07.960 Before, wasn't it like the haunted place of like a studio. 0:08:08.160 --> 0:08:11.960 Executives like you. 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:14.440 Were like, what has happened in these four walls? 0:08:14.680 --> 0:08:19.160 Dark devious deeds? But now it's really cool. And Charlotte 0:08:19.280 --> 0:08:21.480 is kind of like a mascot there. I take her there, 0:08:21.600 --> 0:08:25.120 and she's so social and everybody loves her, and so 0:08:26.000 --> 0:08:27.960 when I bring her into Airwine, everybody knows who she 0:08:28.200 --> 0:08:30.320 is and it's just like the cutest thing that is. 0:08:30.840 --> 0:08:37.120 And one of the employees there, she's adorable girl named Charlotte, 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:40.920 and she lives in the neighborhood where we walk all 0:08:41.000 --> 0:08:44.960 of our dogs, and so we've bonded. And she told 0:08:45.040 --> 0:08:49.400 me once that her parents named her after you, after Charlotte, 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:52.719 And so one night I came in and this was 0:08:52.840 --> 0:08:54.599 last year, at some point I came in just to 0:08:54.640 --> 0:08:58.120 grab something in my pajamas, holding Charlotte. Charlotte it was 0:08:58.480 --> 0:09:01.120 checking me out, and she was like, oh my god, 0:09:01.200 --> 0:09:05.280 you just missed Charlotteton Davis. It was just here and 0:09:05.360 --> 0:09:07.160 I was like is she? And I ran out to 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:10.920 the parking lot holding Charlotte. I was like, where missed 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:13.480 I texted you immediately, but I don't think you saw it, 0:09:13.679 --> 0:09:15.240 like the next day or something, because it was the 0:09:15.280 --> 0:09:17.280 middle of the night. But I was like, this is 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:21.000 there are so many layers of Charlotte happening right now, 0:09:21.160 --> 0:09:22.120 like goddaughter. 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:24.880 Really sad though that I missed you in your pajamas 0:09:25.040 --> 0:09:28.240 with Charlotte at Air One, you are living in La life. 0:09:28.400 --> 0:09:30.640 It is awesome, okay, with. 0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:33.959 The Air one cashier who's like this seventeen year old 0:09:34.040 --> 0:09:35.280 girl who's named after you. 0:09:37.240 --> 0:09:40.160 Say true, thank you to the parents of Charlotte who 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:43.600 works at Airwine Studio City. That's lovely. And I love 0:09:43.679 --> 0:09:46.640 any dog named Charlotte, just so everyone knows. It's always 0:09:46.760 --> 0:09:50.040 like makes my heart saying absolutely to meet the little puppies. 0:09:50.200 --> 0:09:53.319 You have so many god babies in this world. I 0:09:53.720 --> 0:09:56.040 any time I meet a dog named Charlotte, it's always 0:09:56.080 --> 0:09:58.200 because of you. Any dog named Charlotte. 0:09:58.360 --> 0:10:00.480 I don't even know if I should really take credit 0:10:00.559 --> 0:10:02.520 for that, right, I think Charlotte's just a good name. 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:04.800 But I do feel very excited whatever I mean. 0:10:04.960 --> 0:10:07.000 You you know, because I talk about it with people 0:10:07.280 --> 0:10:10.800 and they always clarify, and there's always a post conversation. 0:10:11.240 --> 0:10:14.480 Okay, always, I love that. I love that you're out 0:10:14.520 --> 0:10:17.200 there representing Simon. I really appreciate it. And I also 0:10:17.320 --> 0:10:20.960 mentioned because just just because you know, let's be through here. 0:10:21.160 --> 0:10:22.959 You have a very beautiful voice. 0:10:23.160 --> 0:10:23.559 Oh thank you. 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:26.040 Now I knew that you had this whole career in music, 0:10:26.120 --> 0:10:28.200 but like when I'm just sitting here listening to your voice, 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:29.640 it's so incredibly beautiful. 0:10:29.800 --> 0:10:31.040 Thank you so much. Thank you. 0:10:31.480 --> 0:10:33.240 Just tell us a little bit about your music. 0:10:33.640 --> 0:10:36.599 Yeah, I start. So, I started on Nickelodeon in like 0:10:36.720 --> 0:10:38.800 two thousand and nine. I was in a musical called 0:10:38.960 --> 0:10:42.680 Spectacular Emojian Musical, ok. And that was like post high 0:10:42.679 --> 0:10:46.199 school musical and all of that. And I so I was. 0:10:46.600 --> 0:10:48.600 I started as an actor when I moved to LA 0:10:49.240 --> 0:10:54.959 and then I had some interesting experiences that were a 0:10:55.520 --> 0:10:59.400 little traumatic at the time looking back, and I pivoted 0:10:59.480 --> 0:11:01.240 and was like, you know what, I'm so tired of 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:04.160 hearing no, I'm so tired of people telling me that 0:11:04.280 --> 0:11:07.439 I have to not be gay all of these things. Yes, 0:11:07.720 --> 0:11:10.880 and I'm going to release music. And so I released 0:11:10.920 --> 0:11:14.319 my first album, Ape at Heart in twenty ten, and 0:11:14.440 --> 0:11:17.400 it went super viral. And I've had this incredible fan 0:11:17.480 --> 0:11:19.520 base ever since with my music. 0:11:19.679 --> 0:11:20.120 Amazing. 0:11:20.240 --> 0:11:22.680 Yeah, so it's been it's been making music ever since. 0:11:23.120 --> 0:11:26.520 You so, and you have some crazy number of streams. 0:11:27.080 --> 0:11:31.319 Yes, so I think the grand lifetime total of my 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:34.000 music that's up on all the streamers right now is 0:11:34.040 --> 0:11:37.240 at like one point seventy five billion streams cumulatively. 0:11:37.360 --> 0:11:41.880 I mean, yeah, that's so crazy. Also, feel like there's 0:11:42.040 --> 0:11:45.240 just like music is so interesting, right because people think 0:11:45.240 --> 0:11:47.520 it's just pop music, but it isn't like you can 0:11:48.080 --> 0:11:52.720 really have this blooming career kind of somewhat independently. 0:11:52.960 --> 0:11:56.439 Oh, completely, right, were completely and truth be told, I 0:11:56.559 --> 0:11:58.760 was one of the very first people to just start 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:03.160 releasing independent pop music in twenty ten. That was a 0:12:03.240 --> 0:12:07.679 really revolutionary thing. It was really just like rappers releasing mixtapes, right, 0:12:07.960 --> 0:12:09.760 and so I was one of the first people who 0:12:10.360 --> 0:12:14.200 put out an electronic pop album in that same way. Wow, 0:12:14.559 --> 0:12:18.160 so's it's so neat. Yeah, it's meat know how to 0:12:18.240 --> 0:12:18.400 do that? 0:12:18.520 --> 0:12:19.880 Like what made you think of that? 0:12:20.720 --> 0:12:22.959 When I first moved out to LA one of my 0:12:23.200 --> 0:12:26.440 best friends was an aspiring producer and we just were 0:12:26.480 --> 0:12:30.280 always recording and making music together. And that was I 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:33.920 after spectacular and after I was having all of these 0:12:34.600 --> 0:12:37.839 sort of actor traumas, I just decided to do it. 0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:40.920 I was like, let's make an album. I'm buckling down 0:12:40.960 --> 0:12:41.679 and I'm doing it. 0:12:42.000 --> 0:12:42.480 Amazing. 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:43.320 Yea. 0:12:43.360 --> 0:12:45.640 That is so. I like to hear the stories where 0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:51.640 people are able to kind of keep their autonomy create 0:12:52.120 --> 0:12:55.400 from a place of you know, like you're grounded, you're 0:12:55.520 --> 0:12:58.120 making what you want to make, and then you're putting 0:12:58.120 --> 0:13:01.240 it out there. It's so amazing. Yeah, that's something you 0:13:01.320 --> 0:13:03.320 can do in this day and age. But I don't 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:05.679 think that people are always aware that that's something you 0:13:05.760 --> 0:13:06.560 can do, and that. 0:13:06.960 --> 0:13:09.120 I wasn't aware of that ether It was always just 0:13:09.720 --> 0:13:12.600 a decision even you know, I'm an author as well, 0:13:12.760 --> 0:13:15.079 and when I decided to write my first book, I 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:19.400 just did it. And I wrote on Twitter who here 0:13:19.559 --> 0:13:23.800 knows anything about ya publishing? And one of my turbo 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:26.360 fans at the time had this avatar of a little 0:13:26.400 --> 0:13:28.360 cupcake and he was like, hey, send me a DM 0:13:28.800 --> 0:13:31.640 for whatever reason. I was like sure, and I did, 0:13:31.720 --> 0:13:33.160 and he was like, I'm an editor at Simon and 0:13:33.200 --> 0:13:35.880 Schuster and he'd been a fan of my music since 0:13:35.920 --> 0:13:38.280 I started putting it out. Wow, And he was like 0:13:38.320 --> 0:13:39.959 I want to hear more about the book you're writing, 0:13:40.160 --> 0:13:42.520 and he wound up buying my book and Simon and 0:13:42.559 --> 0:13:46.080 Schuster incredible, and so that was published in twenty sixteen, 0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:49.800 and then I had my first graphic novel published last year. Wow. 0:13:50.080 --> 0:13:53.160 So it's everything that I've done has always just kind 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:54.880 of been like, well, I'll do this. Wow. 0:13:55.559 --> 0:13:58.640 Yeah, Well I think number one, you're incredibly talented, but 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:02.840 number two super smart that you're that you're thinking proactively 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:05.160 for yourself. And I do feel like that's possible in 0:14:05.240 --> 0:14:07.320 this day and age. I just don't think that people 0:14:07.760 --> 0:14:11.319 necessarily maybe they don't have you're just innate confidence, right, 0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:13.400 I'm just going to do this or whatever. But also 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:15.199 that's why I like to tell the stories like this, 0:14:15.320 --> 0:14:17.320 because I feel like, like, do you know Benito Skinner? 0:14:17.440 --> 0:14:20.640 Oh? Yeah, yeah, you know him before? Yes, he's so super, 0:14:20.680 --> 0:14:23.880 super super sweet and that show incredible, Right. I was 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:26.600 able to have such a beautiful moment with him last 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:30.000 summer at the Hollywood Cemetery. He's good friends with my 0:14:30.080 --> 0:14:32.640 friend Janet and we went to see the anniversary showing 0:14:32.680 --> 0:14:36.880 of Clueless, and so she's on one of the Bravo shows, 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:39.160 The Valley and so we were in with like the 0:14:39.280 --> 0:14:42.800 talent section, and he was with us, and I happened 0:14:42.840 --> 0:14:44.520 to go to the bathroom at the same time with him, 0:14:44.560 --> 0:14:46.400 and I just had this conversation where I was saying 0:14:46.440 --> 0:14:49.200 the same thing, like, I'm so inspired. It's so great 0:14:49.240 --> 0:14:52.280 seeing you. He made this, Yeah, brought it to life, 0:14:52.360 --> 0:14:56.240 you're shepherding. It's such an inspiration, especially as a fellow 0:14:56.280 --> 0:14:57.600 gay person, like so gay. 0:14:57.520 --> 0:15:01.200 Person and super creative, so nice and so hard working 0:15:01.680 --> 0:15:05.280 and so creatively you know, engaged, right, But he started 0:15:05.440 --> 0:15:08.440 making his you know, spoofy videos. 0:15:08.160 --> 0:15:11.440 One hundred percent on Instagram, TikTok or whatever, I guess, 0:15:11.480 --> 0:15:13.560 and you never know where it's going to lead, never 0:15:13.800 --> 0:15:15.640 and you just have to put yourself out there and 0:15:15.760 --> 0:15:15.960 do it. 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:16.920 You have to do it. 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:19.760 And honestly, I feel like that's such an extension of 0:15:20.880 --> 0:15:23.160 my teenage years and even tying back to what the 0:15:23.240 --> 0:15:26.360 show did for me because when I moved to La 0:15:26.480 --> 0:15:29.760 I was eighteen. Wow, I saved up. I was working 0:15:29.840 --> 0:15:33.000 at PF. Chang's in Tulsa, which I also have a 0:15:33.040 --> 0:15:36.560 good story because I was working at PF. Chang's the 0:15:36.720 --> 0:15:39.880 night of the series finale and I've heard you talk 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:43.120 about what the impact of the show was for the 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:46.360 outside world because it was such obviously such an insular 0:15:46.440 --> 0:15:48.960 experience for you being in the middle of it. Yeah, 0:15:49.320 --> 0:15:53.000 And I mean I can remember before the show premiered, 0:15:53.520 --> 0:15:56.720 front page in the newspaper, like the headline let's talk 0:15:56.760 --> 0:16:00.800 about sex and this like in the newspaper in Oklahoma, 0:16:00.840 --> 0:16:03.080 before the show ever premiered. How much of a cultural 0:16:03.120 --> 0:16:04.000 phenomenon it was. 0:16:04.240 --> 0:16:04.480 Wow. 0:16:04.640 --> 0:16:07.800 And by the time the series was wrapping up, it 0:16:08.080 --> 0:16:11.280 was like, it's so hard to describe what it was 0:16:11.400 --> 0:16:16.560 like going to work that night and every single person 0:16:17.120 --> 0:16:19.720 coming in the door in this busy restaurant in the 0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:22.760 middle of the winter, and every single person was, well, 0:16:22.840 --> 0:16:24.800 are you going to blah blah blah. I was watching 0:16:24.800 --> 0:16:26.120 the show. Do you want to know? Do you want 0:16:26.160 --> 0:16:29.160 to know? And it was like this palpable And at 0:16:29.200 --> 0:16:32.800 one point during the shift somebody said that there was 0:16:32.880 --> 0:16:35.840 like somebody was a little tipsy, and somebody said, at 0:16:35.880 --> 0:16:40.800 this table she wound up with big and the entire 0:16:41.280 --> 0:16:46.600 place cheered, Like it was It's so hard to describe 0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:49.320 because it wasn't like the Super Bowl. It just felt bigger. 0:16:49.640 --> 0:16:53.440 It felt so culturally pervasive. 0:16:53.000 --> 0:16:56.720 That those days where we could have a group experience, 0:16:56.800 --> 0:16:59.000 not none of us, but just in general, you know, 0:16:59.240 --> 0:17:03.200 like the grouping experience of watching something together talking about 0:17:03.280 --> 0:17:05.840 something you know in culture. And I mean it kind 0:17:05.920 --> 0:17:08.520 of happens now, like I guess stranger things, you know, 0:17:09.000 --> 0:17:13.800 but it's still kind of separated, you know, like in 0:17:13.960 --> 0:17:17.480 terms of the cultural conversation and the experience of watching 0:17:17.520 --> 0:17:18.199 it totally. 0:17:18.920 --> 0:17:21.200 But Sex and the City started it, Oh. 0:17:21.160 --> 0:17:23.080 I don't really started it. But you're adorable. 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:25.400 Oh no, I And that's another thing that I said 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:30.440 before we started. I will defend to the death that 0:17:30.920 --> 0:17:34.359 I truly believe Sex and the City is the most 0:17:34.600 --> 0:17:37.120 significant TV show that's ever been made. 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:38.040 You're adorable. 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:42.280 I say it without hyperboles. I know, because if you 0:17:42.400 --> 0:17:46.879 look like the history of television, what TV was as 0:17:46.960 --> 0:17:49.760 a medium as an art form before Sex and the 0:17:49.840 --> 0:17:54.480 City changed forever after it, I don't know it was 0:17:54.520 --> 0:17:57.760 a truly it's like a deviating path in the timeline. 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:02.119 Even if that's true. But I really appreciate it. I mean, 0:18:02.200 --> 0:18:05.120 I do love us. I do love us, right Obviously 0:18:05.560 --> 0:18:07.359 I would do a podcast about it if I didn't 0:18:07.359 --> 0:18:10.359 love us. But I don't know about like it's still 0:18:10.520 --> 0:18:12.840 a little hard for me to fully be objective. 0:18:13.119 --> 0:18:16.880 I say, like I take for example, Euphoria, something that's 0:18:16.920 --> 0:18:21.159 airing right now. Yeah, it's Hans zimmer Is doing the 0:18:21.200 --> 0:18:26.000 score for every episode. Kodak invented a new type of 0:18:26.160 --> 0:18:28.920 film for the season to be shot on. You aren't 0:18:28.920 --> 0:18:32.560 getting these experiences in the movie theater these days, oh wowow. 0:18:32.640 --> 0:18:36.600 And this show on HBO is getting this, Like Sam 0:18:36.720 --> 0:18:39.720 Levinson is just getting to make the movie of his 0:18:39.920 --> 0:18:44.159 dreams every week. Yeah, that is a direct result. But 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:47.280 that's but that's even just somebody, even if whether or 0:18:47.320 --> 0:18:49.600 not you like it like somebody is able, or whether 0:18:49.680 --> 0:18:50.680 or not you think it's either. 0:18:50.760 --> 0:18:53.960 I understand what you're sayingbody another level. 0:18:53.800 --> 0:18:56.080 The creative license to and if you thought about if 0:18:56.119 --> 0:19:01.920 you think about TV pre nineteen ninety eight, that imagin 0:19:02.200 --> 0:19:03.000 you're right, You're right, I do. 0:19:03.160 --> 0:19:07.639 I would put us in Sopranos. I think because Sopranos, 0:19:07.760 --> 0:19:11.119 like because of what they were able to do creatively. 0:19:11.520 --> 0:19:13.960 I think because we both happened at the same time, 0:19:14.040 --> 0:19:15.879 which was of course, you know the brilliance of the 0:19:15.920 --> 0:19:18.560 people working on HBO at the time. Yeah, Carolyn and Chris, 0:19:19.080 --> 0:19:21.720 it was really just those two which is also really funny. 0:19:22.440 --> 0:19:24.080 Like people think it was like a whole team of people. 0:19:24.160 --> 0:19:25.840 Not not really. It was a really small group. 0:19:26.040 --> 0:19:29.720 But to that end, I listened to the episode of 0:19:29.880 --> 0:19:34.439 this podcast where you were talking with the executive HBO, 0:19:35.240 --> 0:19:38.639 and I loved hearing you say it because I've always 0:19:38.760 --> 0:19:42.720 believed it, but you you laid out the timeline, and 0:19:42.880 --> 0:19:45.960 Sex and the City was first. It's true, and because 0:19:46.160 --> 0:19:49.440 of the success of Sex and the City, the Sopranos 0:19:49.520 --> 0:19:52.000 got this creative license to just be what it was. 0:19:52.880 --> 0:19:55.320 I mean, I think that they went together, and I 0:19:55.440 --> 0:19:59.879 think that they they I mean, we were I think 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:02.280 the thing that's interesting about it is, at the time, 0:20:02.880 --> 0:20:05.040 which I think I said before, we were very much 0:20:05.160 --> 0:20:07.560 like the Girly Show, Right, we were like a little 0:20:07.640 --> 0:20:12.160 bit lesser than I don't know, it felt like that's 0:20:12.800 --> 0:20:14.320 that's how it felt at the time. 0:20:14.520 --> 0:20:17.200 Right. Oh, it pisses me off? Who I got steamed? 0:20:17.720 --> 0:20:19.399 Ooh I got riled up by you. 0:20:19.640 --> 0:20:20.320 You're so cute? 0:20:20.440 --> 0:20:21.359 No, I really do. 0:20:21.720 --> 0:20:24.080 I mean, but in a lot of ways it made 0:20:24.240 --> 0:20:27.480 sense because I think at the beginning of us, no 0:20:27.560 --> 0:20:29.600 one ever thought we'd win an Emmy. A comedy on 0:20:29.840 --> 0:20:32.280 cable had never won an Emmy, right, it wasn't you 0:20:32.320 --> 0:20:35.480 know whatever. And Sopranos was also really creating first in 0:20:35.600 --> 0:20:37.679 so many ways for HBO. So we had we were 0:20:37.720 --> 0:20:40.800 like tandem, right, comedy, half hour you know, hour long 0:20:40.880 --> 0:20:44.160 drama obviously, and they got so many kudos. 0:20:44.200 --> 0:20:46.800 Of course they did, because it's the Mafia. 0:20:46.800 --> 0:20:50.439 Gross show, right, but they were also really great. Oh completely, yeah, completely, 0:20:50.440 --> 0:20:52.399 And that's not that's not to describe it them. I 0:20:52.520 --> 0:20:56.080 just feel like I've spent twenty years like defending, like 0:20:56.480 --> 0:20:58.560 going to that and be like, no, Sex. 0:20:58.400 --> 0:21:02.320 And the City was first. True thing about Sex and 0:21:02.400 --> 0:21:04.960 the City is that it was a level of honesty 0:21:05.480 --> 0:21:07.919 that didn't exist on television. 0:21:08.200 --> 0:21:20.200 That's true, all right. So for episode for twelve to 0:21:20.359 --> 0:21:24.040 say yes, my Hondai hot take is going to be 0:21:24.520 --> 0:21:27.960 I just can't stop thinking about the scene where Aiden 0:21:28.080 --> 0:21:32.080 finally proposes to Carrie in the street is so beautiful, 0:21:32.480 --> 0:21:37.000 beautiful New York night, summer night. The air is kind 0:21:37.040 --> 0:21:40.480 of misty, and Carrie's got her tiny little running of 0:21:40.560 --> 0:21:43.159 shorts on, and of course she doesn't even suspect at 0:21:43.200 --> 0:21:45.080 this point that he's going to propose, even though she's 0:21:45.119 --> 0:21:48.119 been expecting it, and we don't know the audience doesn't 0:21:48.240 --> 0:21:51.800 know that he's changed the ring out, so I think 0:21:51.840 --> 0:21:53.520 it's just so good the way he does it. And 0:21:53.600 --> 0:21:57.600 he pretends that he's getting a doggy boop bag, which is, 0:21:57.840 --> 0:22:00.800 you know, very aiden, and then he has this beautiful 0:22:00.920 --> 0:22:06.000 ring and she's taken off guard and plays it so 0:22:06.200 --> 0:22:08.600 beautifully and then ends up saying yes, even though we 0:22:08.720 --> 0:22:10.639 know the whole episode long, she's been having all of 0:22:10.720 --> 0:22:14.320 this anxiety about it and hasn't been sure. So I 0:22:14.400 --> 0:22:16.440 think I would say I would say that that's my 0:22:16.560 --> 0:22:19.080 hot take because it's such a beautiful moment and it's 0:22:19.119 --> 0:22:22.600 filmed so beautifully and acted so beautifully that I'm going 0:22:22.680 --> 0:22:25.359 to say that that is my Hyundai hot take of 0:22:25.480 --> 0:22:31.359 the episode, celebrating iconic moments, bold moves, and unforgettable style, 0:22:31.800 --> 0:22:37.159 just like Hyundai. One of the things that I am 0:22:37.280 --> 0:22:42.600 aware of when I am rewatching, I hadn't really realized 0:22:43.560 --> 0:22:49.600 how really brave we were in our storytelling, not just 0:22:49.680 --> 0:22:53.120 with the writing and the honesty, but like the visuals, 0:22:53.200 --> 0:22:56.960 Like everything was so elevated and really beautiful, and you 0:22:57.119 --> 0:22:59.679 don't even though now we have eight million shows, right, 0:23:00.200 --> 0:23:02.960 you don't really see that now. But even with the 0:23:03.040 --> 0:23:05.080 same thing, and I'm not up to date on Euphoria, 0:23:05.200 --> 0:23:08.600 but like that is like a little movie every week, right, 0:23:08.800 --> 0:23:12.320 and that's I think, like the the joy of it. 0:23:12.480 --> 0:23:14.399 And maybe you don't love it necessarily. I don't know. 0:23:14.480 --> 0:23:15.800 I'm not up on it. It's a lot. 0:23:16.080 --> 0:23:19.440 I love it, you love it. I love that. 0:23:19.760 --> 0:23:21.959 My issue is that once I get the kids to bed, 0:23:22.040 --> 0:23:25.680 I have like one hour, right, and I am scared 0:23:25.800 --> 0:23:28.200 to watch something so intense because then I can't sleep. 0:23:28.840 --> 0:23:30.080 It's a little intense for me. 0:23:30.359 --> 0:23:33.240 I will say, because you're Pisce's right, I am also 0:23:33.520 --> 0:23:41.200 all of my Piss's friends are obsessed with it. Really, 0:23:41.400 --> 0:23:46.639 it hits do you. It's like, did you enjoy the 0:23:46.840 --> 0:23:48.840 very first kill Bill? Yeah? 0:23:48.880 --> 0:23:49.880 Oh I love kill Bill? 0:23:50.160 --> 0:23:54.119 That season three of Euphoria. Oh, it really is so imaginative. Okay, 0:23:54.320 --> 0:23:59.600 it's a constant. Everything feels like a dream and a poem. 0:23:59.720 --> 0:24:01.920 But it's like possibly also a nightmare. 0:24:02.480 --> 0:24:05.399 Oh, I mean in terms of a storytelling, I mean 0:24:05.520 --> 0:24:08.520 it's it's a scary part. You get a fantasy sequence 0:24:08.680 --> 0:24:11.360 that it's like I always think about in Kill Bill 0:24:11.440 --> 0:24:16.359 Volume one, one of the scenes is fully anime and 0:24:16.480 --> 0:24:19.120 you're not taken out of the movie true, and it's 0:24:19.280 --> 0:24:22.560 it's Lucy Lu's character's backstory, but it's just an anime 0:24:22.880 --> 0:24:25.800 forgot about. And then one sequence, as you're watching it 0:24:26.000 --> 0:24:28.920 goes completely black and white. You don't notice it until 0:24:29.040 --> 0:24:32.960 it's and it's things like that. So all of my 0:24:33.400 --> 0:24:35.760 like all of my Pissy's friends who are obsessed with 0:24:35.880 --> 0:24:39.000 like Pan's Labyrinth or you know, things like that, it's 0:24:39.160 --> 0:24:44.040 just that's not me. It might be a little too scary. 0:24:44.560 --> 0:24:47.240 But the level of imagination is what I'm saying. 0:24:47.160 --> 0:24:48.320 Which is just impressive. 0:24:48.320 --> 0:24:50.840 It's very impressive bridled imagination. 0:24:51.040 --> 0:24:53.560 And that's what's really amazing about HBO. And you know, 0:24:53.600 --> 0:24:56.239 I really hope that they're able to to keep their 0:24:56.280 --> 0:25:01.720 own autonomy in the current insanity of our business, you know, 0:25:01.840 --> 0:25:06.080 because they do allow people to take those risks one percent. 0:25:06.160 --> 0:25:08.600 And that's where Sex and the City stands alone. Also, 0:25:08.920 --> 0:25:12.480 Sarah Jessica doing Sex in the City. That's another reason 0:25:12.520 --> 0:25:14.840 the show was so significant. There'd never been a movie 0:25:14.880 --> 0:25:17.400 star that had just all of a sudden done TV 0:25:17.640 --> 0:25:21.320 like that. That that's truly true. It was because I, 0:25:21.880 --> 0:25:25.399 Sarah Jessica was such like I grew up with the 0:25:25.520 --> 0:25:27.840 vhs of Flight to the Navigator as one of my 0:25:28.240 --> 0:25:32.639 very first repeat movies, like it was Brave, Little Toaster, 0:25:33.000 --> 0:25:36.719 Little Mermaid, and Fly to the Navigator. I had all 0:25:36.760 --> 0:25:39.600 of her dialogue from Flight to the Navigator burned into 0:25:39.640 --> 0:25:40.439 my brain from. 0:25:40.280 --> 0:25:44.000 The time this is like out of my realm of knowledge. 0:25:44.080 --> 0:25:46.199 Oh my god, yeah, it's someone else brought this up 0:25:46.240 --> 0:25:47.240 to me and I was like, I don't even know 0:25:47.280 --> 0:25:47.760 what you're talking. 0:25:47.840 --> 0:25:52.720 It's a beautiful movie, wow, and she's an icon in it. 0:25:53.560 --> 0:25:57.159 It's missed. But then she went from that to you know, 0:25:57.280 --> 0:25:59.639 as a child, like I'm talking, I was watching that 0:25:59.760 --> 0:26:02.959 as a two year old on repeat, crazy, and then 0:26:03.040 --> 0:26:07.000 from there it was hocus Pocus, which again on repeat, 0:26:07.280 --> 0:26:10.680 and then First Wives Club. I was like this little 0:26:10.720 --> 0:26:13.920 fifth grade gay boy who couldn't stop watching First Wives Club. 0:26:14.119 --> 0:26:16.399 And so it was just like this string. And then 0:26:16.480 --> 0:26:20.879 that led right into seeing the newspaper of Sarah Jessica Parker, 0:26:21.080 --> 0:26:23.480 let's talk about sex in the newspaper, and being like, 0:26:23.960 --> 0:26:26.680 she's on a show. So it was just this like 0:26:27.080 --> 0:26:29.879 seamless thing for me to excuriing. I like that. 0:26:30.200 --> 0:26:32.280 I like that she would like that too, that would 0:26:32.280 --> 0:26:33.800 be nice for her to hear. I love it. 0:26:34.480 --> 0:26:37.080 Honestly when that's that's one of the things I think 0:26:37.119 --> 0:26:39.680 I might have dm you at some point in my 0:26:39.800 --> 0:26:43.560 many diary entries I've sent you over the years, just 0:26:43.960 --> 0:26:46.680 like even even that, you know, because I've always told 0:26:46.720 --> 0:26:48.840 you that the show was such a guiding light for 0:26:48.960 --> 0:26:52.639 me in my life, and even her being carried in it, 0:26:53.320 --> 0:26:55.480 that was, you know, she was somebody as an actor 0:26:55.600 --> 0:26:57.600 who's been with me since I was two years old. 0:26:57.720 --> 0:26:58.240 That's amazing. 0:26:58.320 --> 0:27:00.840 This is you know, there's a level of of love 0:27:00.960 --> 0:27:03.600 and kinship that you feel not only for the characters 0:27:03.680 --> 0:27:07.600 but for you as actors, and how significant these roles 0:27:07.640 --> 0:27:11.280 have been in so many people's lives, especially my life. 0:27:11.560 --> 0:27:14.840 Like it's it's it's really really remarkable. It's so nice. 0:27:14.880 --> 0:27:17.520 It's so nice to feel that, and it's I think 0:27:17.800 --> 0:27:20.959 the joy, the joy of it. Was just the other day, 0:27:21.000 --> 0:27:24.040 Lisa Kudro, who's been you know, out i know, right 0:27:24.359 --> 0:27:26.560 talking about the comeback and it's over now, which I'm 0:27:26.640 --> 0:27:29.200 so sad and it's so good, and she was talking 0:27:29.280 --> 0:27:32.680 about she's been talking about so many fascinating things out there. Yeah, 0:27:33.440 --> 0:27:37.040 she's super fascinating person. And she was talking about how 0:27:37.960 --> 0:27:41.040 she had always thought that fame would feel like a 0:27:41.119 --> 0:27:44.480 warm hug, but that it didn't. It felt and I 0:27:44.520 --> 0:27:46.080 can't remember the word she used, but something like a 0:27:46.359 --> 0:27:49.280 like an onslaught, like a you know, like an attack 0:27:49.400 --> 0:27:52.840 or whatever. Which sometimes it can obviously, I think, and 0:27:52.960 --> 0:27:56.080 feel like both right, but sometimes and it kind of 0:27:56.160 --> 0:27:58.480 comes and goes in waves in terms of the intensity 0:27:58.520 --> 0:28:00.480 of it, which I think is also important. Someone said 0:28:00.520 --> 0:28:02.159 that to me when I was really young, like, oh, 0:28:02.200 --> 0:28:05.000 it won't always be you know, if you're having a 0:28:05.080 --> 0:28:06.679 rough day with it or whatever, It's not always going 0:28:06.760 --> 0:28:09.600 to be that, which is important to remember. But the 0:28:09.680 --> 0:28:11.560 warm hug part, I think is like when you can 0:28:11.640 --> 0:28:14.040 get a little distance from it and then you can 0:28:14.440 --> 0:28:18.040 kind of not feel so inundated, you know, with whatever 0:28:18.560 --> 0:28:20.639 you know you're going through or whatever, and you can 0:28:20.720 --> 0:28:23.600 just have the connection with people and the connection that 0:28:23.640 --> 0:28:25.840 people have with the work and with characters and with 0:28:25.960 --> 0:28:29.399 what you all made, which is so like, isn't that 0:28:29.520 --> 0:28:30.359 why we do what we do? 0:28:30.920 --> 0:28:35.040 And I told you this before and just like that ever, 0:28:35.160 --> 0:28:38.280 even Premiered, I was so amazed by what a gift 0:28:38.360 --> 0:28:42.480 that was for actors to be able to revisit characters 0:28:42.880 --> 0:28:44.920 in these sort of and that's the exact same thing 0:28:45.000 --> 0:28:47.680 that Lisa must be experiencing right now with the Comeback, 0:28:48.080 --> 0:28:51.680 which is interesting because they're both Michael Patrick n projects 0:28:51.760 --> 0:28:56.080 and it's these very unique experiences for actors where you've 0:28:56.200 --> 0:28:58.600 not only been able to craft these characters with so 0:28:58.800 --> 0:29:01.680 much love and soul, but you've been able to shepherd 0:29:01.720 --> 0:29:04.200 them across decades. I agree, and I don't think there 0:29:04.280 --> 0:29:06.560 are and I said this to you when and just 0:29:06.680 --> 0:29:10.160 like that premiered, I don't think there are actors who've 0:29:10.160 --> 0:29:12.960 ever gotten to experience that. No, I know it's ever 0:29:13.040 --> 0:29:16.000 gotten to agree that what an achievement that is. 0:29:16.280 --> 0:29:18.800 I agree, I agree, it is an achievement, and we 0:29:18.960 --> 0:29:20.840 are really really happy that we got to do it. 0:29:21.760 --> 0:29:23.040 Don't get me started on that. 0:29:25.920 --> 0:29:30.000 Well. Yeah, I mean, you know, I much like the Comeback. 0:29:30.200 --> 0:29:32.480 When I first watched it, I never ever thought that 0:29:32.560 --> 0:29:36.120 it would come back, and then here we are totally. 0:29:36.160 --> 0:29:40.080 It's it's I am I'm always I'm always hold holding 0:29:40.120 --> 0:29:41.680 out faith for my girls because. 0:29:41.720 --> 0:29:44.000 Sweet, you know, we did have Michael Patrick here and 0:29:44.160 --> 0:29:46.840 he said, I said to him, what are you going 0:29:46.880 --> 0:29:48.600 to do? This was last week, I want to say, 0:29:48.920 --> 0:29:50.920 and he said, you know now that the comeback is 0:29:51.000 --> 0:29:54.000 done and we're done. I'm all out of IP. I 0:29:54.040 --> 0:29:56.080 got to create some fresh IP. And I was like, 0:29:57.960 --> 0:30:00.520 I tried to really like hold myself together when he. 0:30:00.520 --> 0:30:04.680 Said that I can, can I can? I speak freely 0:30:04.760 --> 0:30:09.800 of course. Okay, So my dream, my dream of dreams. Yeah, yeah, 0:30:10.640 --> 0:30:12.880 I always want my girls back. I need I need 0:30:12.960 --> 0:30:17.200 them like I will follow them into the sunset. I 0:30:18.240 --> 0:30:22.040 always need them. But my dream of Dreams is the 0:30:22.240 --> 0:30:27.520 original show format thirty minutes, like the same with with 0:30:27.800 --> 0:30:31.560 Carrie voiceover narrating. 0:30:31.920 --> 0:30:35.440 Yeah, and you don't mean the original format where we 0:30:35.520 --> 0:30:36.120 talked to the camera. 0:30:37.840 --> 0:30:40.560 I mean like how far back? No no, no, no, 0:30:40.880 --> 0:30:44.400 I'm talking when the when the series was like firing 0:30:44.480 --> 0:30:47.000 on all cylinders. Yes, there is, and you can see 0:30:47.040 --> 0:30:49.720 it like people doing parodies. People will write tweets in 0:30:50.040 --> 0:30:54.360 the format of a page of s and it's it's 0:30:54.440 --> 0:30:57.400 like Golden Girls. When Golden Girls hit the Stride, there 0:30:57.600 --> 0:31:01.480 was a structure to the show that these beats and 0:31:01.680 --> 0:31:05.320 it was like, oh, it just it's like hitting a 0:31:05.400 --> 0:31:08.520 tuning fork and that sound just feels good in your soul. 0:31:09.040 --> 0:31:10.880 That's what the episodes of Sex and the City are like. 0:31:11.320 --> 0:31:17.000 The cadence the pacing, how much you get. It all 0:31:17.080 --> 0:31:20.800 happens lightning fast in those episodes. But by the time 0:31:20.880 --> 0:31:25.600 you finish the season, you've had these character arcs that 0:31:26.000 --> 0:31:28.840 just especially by the time you get to season four. 0:31:29.000 --> 0:31:31.320 Which I'm so excited to be talking about it. 0:31:32.200 --> 0:31:34.880 By the time you get to season four, you're seeing 0:31:34.960 --> 0:31:38.600 these women's lives change even though you've been watching these 0:31:38.720 --> 0:31:42.480 thirty minute episodes, and that was like, that is my dream. 0:31:42.520 --> 0:31:46.160 I want point I want twenty thirty minute episodes. I 0:31:46.240 --> 0:31:49.680 want Carrie's voiceover back. I want the music that was 0:31:49.680 --> 0:31:52.520 also such a something that you know as a musician. 0:31:53.400 --> 0:31:57.640 I love the music in the first series, these jazz interstitials, 0:31:57.720 --> 0:32:00.479 these and then by the time and also season four 0:32:00.560 --> 0:32:02.680 is when you start getting the really good needle drops. 0:32:03.480 --> 0:32:07.520 I think the episode after the one that we're reviewing 0:32:07.600 --> 0:32:13.040 today is when the Shade song comes on. And that's 0:32:13.080 --> 0:32:17.000 all makes me cry because of the show, and it's. 0:32:18.320 --> 0:32:19.160 The end of the. 0:32:19.200 --> 0:32:26.080 Season iHeart and why that is my favorite episode of 0:32:26.160 --> 0:32:29.479 Sex and the City that Exists and Moon River end 0:32:29.600 --> 0:32:34.280 capping that episode is like it makes me sob my 0:32:34.480 --> 0:32:38.560 eyes out, and there's just you know, the I don't know, 0:32:38.600 --> 0:32:41.200 there's something about the music and the pace is how 0:32:41.280 --> 0:32:42.040 it all came together. 0:32:42.240 --> 0:32:43.720 I know what you're saying. I know what you're saying. 0:32:43.800 --> 0:32:47.920 I don't think that we can recreate that. I totally 0:32:48.040 --> 0:32:49.800 know why you would want us to recreate that, but 0:32:49.880 --> 0:32:52.400 I don't think it can be done. And I think that, Michael, 0:32:52.560 --> 0:32:54.680 when we did and just like that and the end, 0:32:54.720 --> 0:32:58.840 then we'll go, we're going to talk about the episode. Sorry, 0:32:59.280 --> 0:33:02.840 I'm telling my self as much as you. When we 0:33:03.000 --> 0:33:05.360 went to do it just like that, he felt really 0:33:05.400 --> 0:33:08.600 strongly that we had to be extremely clear that we 0:33:08.720 --> 0:33:12.800 were not going to be recreating the show because we 0:33:12.880 --> 0:33:17.120 would just fail because we're because we're in our fifties now, 0:33:17.280 --> 0:33:19.480 and we can't be the same show and it can't 0:33:19.480 --> 0:33:21.520 be the same rhythm and it can't be all of 0:33:21.640 --> 0:33:25.600 those things. And I get what he was saying, because 0:33:25.840 --> 0:33:29.800 it would be it would be strange to have us 0:33:30.480 --> 0:33:34.880 in this whole, whole, very different decade, right trying to 0:33:34.960 --> 0:33:37.440 do that. I think there's probably a happy medium, right, 0:33:37.880 --> 0:33:41.120 but he just felt very strongly from his point of view, 0:33:41.200 --> 0:33:43.000 that it had to we had to be clear that 0:33:43.080 --> 0:33:44.400 we are being very different. Well. 0:33:44.440 --> 0:33:46.840 I think is so interesting is that he is saying 0:33:46.960 --> 0:33:50.720 that but also making the comeback, which good point is 0:33:51.400 --> 0:33:54.880 that even though the tone the good point the place 0:33:54.960 --> 0:33:58.680 in life, the tone of season three of the comeback 0:33:59.000 --> 0:34:03.040 is completely different. That's your cadence is the same when 0:34:03.120 --> 0:34:06.640 you sit down to experience, Yes, experientially the same thing, 0:34:06.760 --> 0:34:07.560 but the tone. 0:34:07.440 --> 0:34:10.160 Is the tone is different. Right. I mean I watch this, 0:34:10.640 --> 0:34:12.520 Oh I watched it, Yes, but I didn't watch the 0:34:12.600 --> 0:34:14.239 I haven't watched the first one in a long time. 0:34:14.360 --> 0:34:17.680 Oh, okay, I mean that's you know that is it's 0:34:17.880 --> 0:34:22.960 it's kind of like akin to old Ricky Gervais situational 0:34:23.320 --> 0:34:28.080 single cam like the Original Office. It's like humiliation comedy. 0:34:28.280 --> 0:34:30.480 It's deeply uncomfortable to watch. 0:34:30.600 --> 0:34:32.440 That's how I felt the first time. And it was 0:34:32.480 --> 0:34:34.520 also right at the end of our show, right, And 0:34:34.719 --> 0:34:37.839 it was about a forty something year old actress who 0:34:37.960 --> 0:34:40.759 was who was who was over quote over trying to 0:34:40.800 --> 0:34:43.560 make a comeback, yeah, and being humiliated all the time. 0:34:43.600 --> 0:34:45.680 And I was basically just laying on my couch crying 0:34:46.080 --> 0:34:47.080 because the show was over. 0:34:47.280 --> 0:34:48.960 So I was like, we can't do that. 0:34:51.800 --> 0:34:54.239 And I felt so guilty because I couldn't watch it. 0:34:54.520 --> 0:34:56.680 I love him so much. I wanted to support. I 0:34:56.800 --> 0:34:59.040 was like, it's like daggers in my heart. 0:34:59.480 --> 0:35:02.319 I can't but now. And to what I was saying, 0:35:02.440 --> 0:35:07.160 even though it's the same format, we're experiencing Valerie Cherish 0:35:07.239 --> 0:35:08.600 in a totally different way. 0:35:09.040 --> 0:35:09.680 Is true. 0:35:09.719 --> 0:35:12.799 In this season. We're seeing even though similar things might 0:35:12.880 --> 0:35:16.120 be happening to her, we're seeing that she has so 0:35:16.280 --> 0:35:19.640 much wisdom, and she's so much respect, so much heart, 0:35:19.840 --> 0:35:22.880 and so much and people are giving her her flowers 0:35:22.960 --> 0:35:26.960 the entire season. Yes, and it feels very natural because 0:35:27.000 --> 0:35:30.040 of the time progression, and they didn't have to throw 0:35:30.080 --> 0:35:32.080 the baby out with the bathwater. They didn't have to 0:35:32.239 --> 0:35:34.080 completely reinvent the show to do that. 0:35:34.160 --> 0:35:37.160 I mean, you're giving me good ideas. That's really really true. 0:35:37.360 --> 0:35:40.080 That's really really true. I hadn't thought about that. You 0:35:40.160 --> 0:35:41.960 know what I think is also interesting, And I'll have 0:35:42.040 --> 0:35:43.640 to think about this so more because you bring up 0:35:43.640 --> 0:35:47.480 good points. Lisa and Michael wrote the whole this season together, right, 0:35:47.840 --> 0:35:50.439 and they wrote in the beginning together. So I think 0:35:50.600 --> 0:35:53.719 that because you have another voice with you, maybe he 0:35:53.880 --> 0:35:55.400 doesn't have as much pressure. 0:35:56.200 --> 0:35:57.080 I mean, that's a big thing. 0:35:57.239 --> 0:36:01.000 Really carries the pressure, the creative pressure, totally like kind 0:36:01.040 --> 0:36:03.239 of alone even though we have these incredible writers, you know, 0:36:03.680 --> 0:36:04.320 it takes. 0:36:04.160 --> 0:36:06.759 It so and I cannot imagine what that must be 0:36:06.880 --> 0:36:08.919 like with Sex and the City because, as I said, 0:36:09.040 --> 0:36:11.960 it is the most significant TV show in the history 0:36:12.000 --> 0:36:14.520 of television. So that's a lot of pressure weighing on that. 0:36:14.600 --> 0:36:17.320 But pressure makes diamonds, pressure mixed dimonds. 0:36:17.400 --> 0:36:29.960 That's so true. All right, here, let's talk about this 0:36:30.000 --> 0:36:32.920 episode because it's a good episode. Oh my god, it's 0:36:32.960 --> 0:36:36.239 called just Say Yes. And honestly, this is I've said 0:36:36.280 --> 0:36:38.200 this before. I mean, I don't remember a lot of 0:36:38.280 --> 0:36:41.440 season four because I do believe in my mind that 0:36:41.560 --> 0:36:45.040 I had season three and season four were together because 0:36:45.360 --> 0:36:49.120 Charlotte's arc is still the same, same, right like, because 0:36:49.320 --> 0:36:52.680 the Trey marriage overlaps in a way that was never 0:36:52.719 --> 0:36:55.400 supposed to happen, right yeah, And I'm going through all 0:36:55.440 --> 0:36:57.879 the things like I didn't separate them in my mind, 0:36:57.960 --> 0:36:59.560 I think, which is why I think they were all 0:36:59.640 --> 0:37:00.520 just these three to me. 0:37:00.719 --> 0:37:02.839 And also, I have to say this before we get 0:37:02.880 --> 0:37:06.520 into the episode itself, how did you feel going into 0:37:06.640 --> 0:37:09.680 I mean, I guess season three and four because to me, 0:37:09.920 --> 0:37:15.080 having watched every episode at least seventy times, like actually 0:37:16.880 --> 0:37:19.680 how did you feel as an actor just getting these scripts? 0:37:20.040 --> 0:37:23.600 Because this is very excited, very excited, very excited. I 0:37:23.680 --> 0:37:26.520 mean that's always how I mean, this is how I felt. 0:37:27.080 --> 0:37:29.000 We would get the script in a Manila envelow the 0:37:29.000 --> 0:37:30.880 seat back before they would do the watermarking and all 0:37:30.920 --> 0:37:33.680 that stuff, right, and you would just go your trailer 0:37:33.719 --> 0:37:35.479 and rip it over and try to read it before 0:37:35.480 --> 0:37:36.839 they called you back to the set, you know, because 0:37:36.840 --> 0:37:38.840 you're just dying to know what's going to happen. Well, yeah, no, 0:37:38.960 --> 0:37:41.560 we would have known from Michael the general arc, right, 0:37:41.719 --> 0:37:43.960 and so you would he would always give us the 0:37:44.080 --> 0:37:46.239 plan and run it by us and get our thoughts 0:37:46.280 --> 0:37:48.160 and whatever, but you never knew how that was going 0:37:48.239 --> 0:37:51.320 to manifest itself into script, right, And because each script 0:37:51.360 --> 0:37:53.880 is assigned to a different writer, so this this particular script, 0:37:54.080 --> 0:37:55.320 just say yes, it's Cindy Schubag. 0:37:56.000 --> 0:37:59.160 I have to interject, I have another layer of vel 0:37:59.239 --> 0:38:04.080 in my life. I'm from Tulsa, Oklahoma, where Cindy is from. Yes, 0:38:04.280 --> 0:38:08.759 and so growing up watching it, my best childhood friend, Heather, 0:38:09.400 --> 0:38:13.479 her older sister, was lifelong best friends with Cindy's sister 0:38:14.160 --> 0:38:17.040 and they're both Jewish. The Jewish community and Tulsa is 0:38:17.320 --> 0:38:20.200 very tight knit, and so growing up watching Sex and 0:38:20.239 --> 0:38:24.880 the City, Heather's dad, Larry was just always always bragging 0:38:24.960 --> 0:38:27.280 about her and oh, have you watched Sex in the City. 0:38:27.400 --> 0:38:30.719 You know, Cindy Shupac is writing it. And so it 0:38:30.840 --> 0:38:33.239 was just like when I saw that, when I saw 0:38:33.320 --> 0:38:34.960 that she wrote this episode of I was like. 0:38:35.520 --> 0:38:37.160 And it's such a good one. And she really is 0:38:37.320 --> 0:38:40.280 very Charlotte, very very Charlottie. All the all the writers 0:38:40.320 --> 0:38:42.359 in the room considered her to be like a good 0:38:42.520 --> 0:38:45.920 Charlotte voice, right, because she's very you know she she 0:38:46.080 --> 0:38:49.120 came on the show and she said she was a Charlotte. 0:38:49.360 --> 0:38:53.200 I'm pretty sure she had a lot of even though 0:38:53.280 --> 0:38:55.239 at this point in their lives, the writers didn't have 0:38:55.280 --> 0:38:57.680 a lot of this experience that Charlotte's having yet. Yeah, 0:38:57.719 --> 0:39:00.239 it was like they hadn't found their person, try to 0:39:00.280 --> 0:39:04.000 get pregnant, all that stuff. But she really wanted all 0:39:04.080 --> 0:39:06.759 those things in the same way that Charlotte does. 0:39:07.120 --> 0:39:07.239 Right. 0:39:08.360 --> 0:39:11.680 And the thing that's interesting in this particular one, I 0:39:11.719 --> 0:39:14.799 would say for myself when I rewatched it, so much 0:39:15.160 --> 0:39:19.120 happens with Charlotte. Like I had thought that these different 0:39:19.160 --> 0:39:21.120 scenes I remember the scenes, but I thought they were 0:39:21.160 --> 0:39:23.279 in different episodes. I didn't realize they were all jam 0:39:23.360 --> 0:39:25.680 packed into Yes, and let me just ask you, because 0:39:25.680 --> 0:39:27.640 this is on the top of my mind. Yes, do 0:39:27.680 --> 0:39:31.320 you remember when I don't know if we've explained this 0:39:31.520 --> 0:39:33.799 or not, right, Like, do you remember when he tells 0:39:33.880 --> 0:39:35.600 me that he doesn't really want to have a baby 0:39:35.640 --> 0:39:38.120 anymore and he's tired and I walk into the other 0:39:38.280 --> 0:39:40.160 room and that mural is there? Do you know what 0:39:40.280 --> 0:39:40.600 that is? 0:39:40.840 --> 0:39:41.239 I don't. 0:39:41.480 --> 0:39:42.440 Isn't it kind of scary? 0:39:42.640 --> 0:39:44.680 I mean, it's terrifying. It's like I feel like there's 0:39:44.840 --> 0:39:49.200 a certain element of like Tim Burton macrob to all 0:39:49.280 --> 0:39:53.400 of that, Like what's that the Manhattan? Who's it? Like 0:39:53.480 --> 0:39:56.360 that mural? Charlotte's like, oh you need a Manhattan? Who's it? 0:39:56.560 --> 0:39:59.680 And it's like this weird like what the heck crawd 0:39:59.719 --> 0:40:00.520 out of Tim Burton? 0:40:00.760 --> 0:40:02.879 And I remember at the time I was I think 0:40:02.920 --> 0:40:04.680 I felt the same way, but also like I didn't 0:40:04.680 --> 0:40:06.440 want to hurt anyone's feelings. I didn't know who had 0:40:06.480 --> 0:40:09.000 painted it, Like this is the situation you're in on 0:40:09.080 --> 0:40:11.319 a set. It's for the baby, it's the baby's room. 0:40:11.520 --> 0:40:14.320 Yeah, that's Oh no, I knew it was for the 0:40:14.400 --> 0:40:19.239 baby's but it's still like, you know, I don't. 0:40:19.280 --> 0:40:20.320 I didn't get to the bottom of it. 0:40:20.400 --> 0:40:21.720 I don't know why, but like when I'm. 0:40:21.600 --> 0:40:24.840 Recing and I'm like, wow, it's scarier than even I 0:40:25.640 --> 0:40:28.520 realized at the time, and it's also so big and 0:40:28.600 --> 0:40:32.480 it doesn't go with their apartment at all. What that happened. 0:40:32.880 --> 0:40:36.720 And then there's like a chest that's also dark green, 0:40:37.280 --> 0:40:39.279 and later on I think I have to deal with that. 0:40:39.360 --> 0:40:42.640 I remember that being like looming large or whatever, scary 0:40:42.880 --> 0:40:44.320 kind of scary, but also like the way that I 0:40:44.480 --> 0:40:46.200 like walk in there and like look at it. 0:40:46.320 --> 0:40:49.800 It's all very that's something too. I was so excited 0:40:49.840 --> 0:40:52.360 that I got asked to review this episode because I 0:40:52.560 --> 0:40:56.000 feel like it's right in the middle. There's a string 0:40:56.040 --> 0:41:03.400 of episodes that are Charlotte's like greatest hits. The episode 0:41:03.600 --> 0:41:09.560 before ends with We're having a baby and your delivery 0:41:09.760 --> 0:41:12.799 on that it makes me cry every time I've seen 0:41:12.840 --> 0:41:17.399 the show eight thousand times. It makes me cry every time, 0:41:17.760 --> 0:41:21.279 and it's it's and then you go from that to 0:41:21.440 --> 0:41:24.719 this episode I'm getting some juice and I don't know, 0:41:25.600 --> 0:41:30.239 and then the next episode, Like, it's just it's a lot. 0:41:30.680 --> 0:41:33.680 All these all these scripts are Charlotte's it's the Charlotte's 0:41:33.680 --> 0:41:34.160 greatest hits. 0:41:34.239 --> 0:41:36.120 I know, it's definitely a lot. And I don't even 0:41:36.200 --> 0:41:39.239 know at the time if I realized that, you don't 0:41:39.239 --> 0:41:42.480 even saying, like if I really was, like, maybe that's 0:41:42.520 --> 0:41:45.760 also why maybe maybe don't remember I remember stuff about 0:41:45.840 --> 0:41:48.799 filming it, right, But like the fact that it's all 0:41:48.920 --> 0:41:52.040 in one and I mean in this particular episode and 0:41:52.080 --> 0:41:54.360 then we'll be more linear or whatever. But we're pisy, 0:41:54.480 --> 0:41:59.359 so let's not. I had Ausive man Veon he's also 0:41:59.400 --> 0:42:02.120 a pissy. Oh we ended up seeing George Harrison, who's 0:42:02.200 --> 0:42:05.279 also a talking about whether time existed or not. 0:42:05.880 --> 0:42:10.960 I mean, it's a spear right, right, it's right, everything everywhere, 0:42:11.000 --> 0:42:13.600 all at once, so we're. 0:42:13.480 --> 0:42:15.359 There, let's only have guests. 0:42:16.120 --> 0:42:18.680 But it's true, but also like you can't you can 0:42:18.800 --> 0:42:21.320 only take certain episodes, You can only take any of 0:42:21.360 --> 0:42:26.160 these episodes without the context of the entire season and 0:42:26.320 --> 0:42:27.800 the series. So I feel like you kind of have 0:42:27.920 --> 0:42:30.319 to zoom in, like you have to have the macro 0:42:30.520 --> 0:42:35.600 to discuss the micro. That's what I love about this 0:42:35.840 --> 0:42:38.719 season is I mean Honestly, It's one of the things 0:42:38.760 --> 0:42:41.280 that I love so much about the show in general, 0:42:41.560 --> 0:42:45.080 is because you started thinking you're getting the sitcom right, 0:42:45.200 --> 0:42:49.480 and by the time the entire series wraps, you have 0:42:50.400 --> 0:42:55.359 the most beautiful, satisfying character arcs that have ever been 0:42:55.400 --> 0:42:58.680 put to film, and I mean all four characters. You 0:42:58.840 --> 0:43:01.440 have Charlotte at the very final episode this is our 0:43:01.560 --> 0:43:07.920 baby God, like you have Miranda, Steve your mother can 0:43:08.000 --> 0:43:13.800 come live with us, I forgot. And then you have Samantha, 0:43:14.120 --> 0:43:17.719 you were the greatest man I've ever known. And then 0:43:17.760 --> 0:43:20.839 you have Carrie with her phone and her voiceover saying 0:43:21.080 --> 0:43:23.600 the greatest relationship you can ever have in your life 0:43:24.080 --> 0:43:27.480 is the relationship that you get with yourself. And if 0:43:27.480 --> 0:43:29.879 you find someone else who loves you along the way, 0:43:30.320 --> 0:43:34.040 well then that's just fabulous, amazing. They are the four 0:43:34.200 --> 0:43:38.080 it's all intertwined, and they are the greatest arcs that 0:43:38.080 --> 0:43:41.359 you've ever gotten, and each season is also its own arc. 0:43:41.920 --> 0:43:45.560 And I feel like, having seen the show so many times, 0:43:46.120 --> 0:43:49.360 Charlotte was the very first one of the four characters 0:43:49.760 --> 0:43:54.240 that started really getting like the meat and bones character 0:43:54.400 --> 0:43:58.279 arc starting in season three. Wow, and especially just seeing 0:43:59.040 --> 0:44:01.920 seeing the scripts that you were working with. It was 0:44:01.960 --> 0:44:04.839 because everybody. Everybody got that. Every single one of these 0:44:04.920 --> 0:44:08.440 characters went into some real definitely, but Charlotte was the 0:44:08.520 --> 0:44:13.200 first one. Charlotte was with interesting, her marriage dissolving and 0:44:13.360 --> 0:44:16.799 then the fertility journey. Yeah, Charlotte was the first one 0:44:16.880 --> 0:44:19.919 who was like, especially as an actor, they were throwing 0:44:20.000 --> 0:44:20.879 you into some real shit. 0:44:21.120 --> 0:44:23.279 They were, they were. I mean I look back on it, 0:44:23.400 --> 0:44:25.600 and I mean I do think I was very excited. 0:44:25.680 --> 0:44:27.759 I think it was kind of scared. And then like 0:44:27.840 --> 0:44:29.719 when I watch it, I'm like, oh my god, so 0:44:29.800 --> 0:44:31.680 much is happening. So much is happening. And if I 0:44:31.760 --> 0:44:34.560 were to do it now, obviously thirty years later or 0:44:34.560 --> 0:44:36.600 twenty five years later, whatever it is, you know, I 0:44:37.280 --> 0:44:41.279 would have more to call upon as an actor. But 0:44:41.440 --> 0:44:44.000 I feel like the thing that's interesting watching it because 0:44:44.080 --> 0:44:47.359 Charlotte is one of my best friends. Described Charlotte as 0:44:47.480 --> 0:44:52.640 like my younger sister, you know, because she's different but similar, right, 0:44:53.400 --> 0:44:56.520 and she's kind of more you know, innocent in some 0:44:56.600 --> 0:44:58.120 ways and whatnot that I am. I don't know if 0:44:58.120 --> 0:45:01.359 that's the right word, but you know, she needs her 0:45:02.400 --> 0:45:04.160 She hasn't been through all this yet, you know what 0:45:04.200 --> 0:45:06.960 I'm saying so, like sometimes when I watch a scene 0:45:07.320 --> 0:45:10.440 like sometimes I'll watch a scene like I love the 0:45:10.480 --> 0:45:13.280 scene when Cynthia when I do go. You know, Cynthia 0:45:13.320 --> 0:45:15.279 decided to keep the baby. I love that scene. I'm 0:45:15.320 --> 0:45:17.680 not totally sure about my performance on the street though. 0:45:17.920 --> 0:45:19.920 That was last episode too. You know, when Cynthia follows me, 0:45:20.000 --> 0:45:21.560 when Miranda follows me, are you. 0:45:21.600 --> 0:45:25.440 Sure fifteen percent? Fifteen percent chance I've ever Are you kidding? 0:45:26.480 --> 0:45:30.279 Oh my god, No, you feel that, Simon at all times, 0:45:30.400 --> 0:45:30.960 you guys. 0:45:30.760 --> 0:45:33.359 I will be because no, you feel that in your 0:45:33.840 --> 0:45:40.600 got There's okay, there's panic, there is shame. All of 0:45:40.680 --> 0:45:43.719 these things come out of Charlotte's eyes and face in 0:45:43.920 --> 0:45:47.600 okay seconds and this, and you get to see Cynthia 0:45:47.800 --> 0:45:51.320 like Miranda shifts because she's so pissed, and then you 0:45:51.400 --> 0:45:52.400 see her heartbreak. 0:45:52.600 --> 0:45:54.120 Yes, and it's she's so good. 0:45:54.360 --> 0:45:56.120 Oh no, no, no, no, no, no no no. I 0:45:56.160 --> 0:45:59.560 will not take this, La no, because it's I'm. 0:45:59.480 --> 0:46:02.160 Telling you you need to be implanted in my brain. 0:46:02.360 --> 0:46:06.839 No, I will because you're so sweet. Charlotte's greatest heads. 0:46:06.920 --> 0:46:08.680 Okay, so let me ask you this. Let me ask 0:46:08.719 --> 0:46:11.520 you this about Charlotte Okay, so this this this, But 0:46:11.680 --> 0:46:15.320 as I'm watching, I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, oh this, 0:46:15.680 --> 0:46:18.239 Oh my god, they're all together. And my favorite, one 0:46:18.239 --> 0:46:21.200 of my favorite scenes, which I fondly remember and did 0:46:21.320 --> 0:46:23.719 live up to my to my memories of it, is 0:46:24.080 --> 0:46:28.080 when I'm practicing my mandarin yes and I'm doing my 0:46:28.160 --> 0:46:32.000 nails and my vintage slip. Okay, I really remember the scene, 0:46:32.760 --> 0:46:35.239 and I hope this is okay that I'm going to 0:46:35.280 --> 0:46:37.840 say this. This episode is directed by David Frankel and 0:46:37.920 --> 0:46:40.800 David Franklin. His wife had gone through in vitro, and 0:46:40.880 --> 0:46:44.320 he was one of a big, a big influence on 0:46:44.560 --> 0:46:46.719 how I did things because he had a lot of 0:46:47.080 --> 0:46:49.720 thoughts and feelings and you know, they have two beautiful 0:46:49.760 --> 0:46:52.520 children and it all worked out, but it had been hard, right, 0:46:52.600 --> 0:46:53.920 and he would talk to me a lot about it, 0:46:54.160 --> 0:46:55.759 which was helpful because I didn't have a lot of 0:46:55.800 --> 0:46:57.520 friends at that point who had gone through. 0:46:57.520 --> 0:46:59.440 It was still a relatively new thing. It was. It 0:46:59.520 --> 0:47:01.680 was a big Yeah, it was a very big deal. Yeah. 0:47:01.719 --> 0:47:03.640 So when you know, when I'm telling Trey like, oh, 0:47:03.760 --> 0:47:05.600 this person, that person in our building, and he's like, 0:47:05.680 --> 0:47:07.400 what did you do? Put up a memo, you know, 0:47:07.400 --> 0:47:09.960 because there was no shame right about it, which is 0:47:10.080 --> 0:47:12.320 kind of adorable. But and now I feel like a 0:47:12.400 --> 0:47:14.680 lot of that shame has gone. Thank God, all right, 0:47:15.080 --> 0:47:17.120 But I think for Charlotte too, because Charlotte wants to 0:47:17.160 --> 0:47:19.279 be perfected everything, and so it's hard, you know, and 0:47:19.360 --> 0:47:22.600 also in Vito, as much as it's really commonly discussed, 0:47:22.840 --> 0:47:24.440 it is a hard thing to go through. Oh yes, 0:47:24.640 --> 0:47:26.200 it's not easy. It makes you feel like you're a 0:47:26.360 --> 0:47:29.120 lunatic when you're on all those hormones. 0:47:28.719 --> 0:47:32.759 Play so well, and from the moment it opens with 0:47:32.880 --> 0:47:36.680 the shot and the butt, it's just this manic hyped 0:47:36.920 --> 0:47:38.759 and it's so subtle because somebody could have taken that 0:47:38.840 --> 0:47:41.160 to a place of ridiculousness and you did. 0:47:41.239 --> 0:47:45.200 It was the hitch because I'm sometimes sometimes I'm not sure. 0:47:45.239 --> 0:47:46.680 First of all, I do want to say, that's not 0:47:46.880 --> 0:47:49.480 my butt. I definitely drew the line. I was like, 0:47:49.600 --> 0:47:51.239 I Am not going to stand there with a close 0:47:51.320 --> 0:47:53.640 up on my butt while you're pretending to put a 0:47:53.719 --> 0:47:56.400 needle in it. That it would be no, And I 0:47:56.440 --> 0:47:59.400 can I can so totally tell because it's not shaped right. 0:47:59.440 --> 0:48:01.839 But whatever, it's cool. It's very nice it's very nice. 0:48:01.880 --> 0:48:04.840 It's nicer than mine anyway. That made me laugh. But 0:48:05.000 --> 0:48:09.359 like when I like the the I had forgotten about 0:48:09.400 --> 0:48:14.239 the fling, the Scottish fling. Oh my god, Like I'm 0:48:14.320 --> 0:48:18.040 not sure if I was crazy enough or whatever. I 0:48:18.160 --> 0:48:20.680 did really like how I played the scene where Franny 0:48:21.480 --> 0:48:25.280 Bunny tells me it's perfect that she does not appreciate 0:48:25.400 --> 0:48:26.240 mandarin food. 0:48:26.480 --> 0:48:28.799 The devastation on your face. 0:48:28.719 --> 0:48:31.399 And I also felt it all over again, like how 0:48:31.520 --> 0:48:31.840 dare she? 0:48:32.880 --> 0:48:35.320 There's so much devastation. That's what I'm saying this, this 0:48:35.640 --> 0:48:41.279 this chunk of episodes, it's Charlotte's greatest hits, the instant devastation, 0:48:41.920 --> 0:48:46.239 the betrayal, because it's that's like such a line to 0:48:46.400 --> 0:48:49.719 cross with like that tray has crossed, but he's divulged. 0:48:50.360 --> 0:48:52.400 That definitely, definitely. 0:48:52.000 --> 0:48:56.320 And it's just no, no, no, that the line delivery 0:48:56.400 --> 0:49:00.800 there is it's it's it's beautiful, it's a beautiful moment. 0:49:00.880 --> 0:49:04.680 It's it's heartbreaking and infuriating, but your performance is stunning. 0:49:04.800 --> 0:49:06.360 Good. I like that one. But then when I go 0:49:06.560 --> 0:49:08.200 in to get him out of the center of the 0:49:08.800 --> 0:49:11.400 Scottish dancing and he rips my dress, I'd remember there 0:49:11.480 --> 0:49:14.279 being so much stress about that and Patted had to 0:49:14.400 --> 0:49:16.880 make me that dress because we couldn't find a dress 0:49:17.200 --> 0:49:19.719 and it had to be a specific plaide and then 0:49:19.760 --> 0:49:21.759 he had to rip it, so we had to have multiples. 0:49:22.360 --> 0:49:24.200 So they'd had to make that for me, and I 0:49:24.280 --> 0:49:26.879 remember feeling like this is a whack dress. This dress 0:49:26.960 --> 0:49:30.800 is crazy, like it was so much blood plaid, like 0:49:30.960 --> 0:49:32.600 so much plaid. But he had to rip it, and 0:49:32.600 --> 0:49:35.960 I remember that was really stressful. But I don't know 0:49:36.680 --> 0:49:39.040 if I do that right, Like, am I mad enough? 0:49:39.200 --> 0:49:39.640 I don't know. 0:49:39.920 --> 0:49:42.120 Oh no, So I watched it again just this morning. 0:49:42.160 --> 0:49:47.759 It's perfect. There's no I've I live, eat and breathe 0:49:47.800 --> 0:49:50.520 these episodes and there's never there's never been a moment 0:49:50.560 --> 0:49:52.280 where like hm, that could have been adjusted. 0:49:52.400 --> 0:49:56.000 Okay, never, Okay, I'm glad because we can't go back now. 0:49:56.040 --> 0:49:57.840 We can't go back to this is what I tell myself. 0:49:58.000 --> 0:49:59.880 But it is a lot like and I do like 0:50:00.080 --> 0:50:02.680 the scene that I love the most. I don't know why. 0:50:03.200 --> 0:50:05.480 I love that scene where I'm doing my nails. It 0:50:05.600 --> 0:50:08.840 goes and I tried to do the mandarins because mandre 0:50:09.000 --> 0:50:10.960 is very hard. Guys. I don't know if you guys, 0:50:10.960 --> 0:50:12.680 have ever tried to speak Mandarin's very hard. 0:50:12.719 --> 0:50:14.719 I took Mandarin in high school. Oh my god, well 0:50:14.760 --> 0:50:19.160 then you're probably and so I spoke like survival Mandarin 0:50:19.520 --> 0:50:21.399 in high school. Okay, as soon as I moved to La, 0:50:21.560 --> 0:50:21.960 I lost it. 0:50:22.000 --> 0:50:24.400 It's hard because it's hard to retain it doesn't you. 0:50:24.440 --> 0:50:25.680 Don't conjugate verbs. 0:50:25.760 --> 0:50:29.360 It's a whole different and the intonation is everything. You 0:50:29.440 --> 0:50:32.320 can totally change your words with the intonation. And I 0:50:32.440 --> 0:50:33.960 was trying to learn it a little bit back then, 0:50:34.000 --> 0:50:37.520 but then I ended up going to Beijing and Shanghai 0:50:37.640 --> 0:50:39.640 to do an ad thing where I had to learn it, 0:50:39.880 --> 0:50:41.640 and I had to have like a consultant teach me 0:50:41.760 --> 0:50:45.680 because it's like impossible, possible, like my three lines, I 0:50:45.719 --> 0:50:47.600 had to have someone teach me. But I love that 0:50:47.760 --> 0:50:51.760 scene because I think I had gotten from David Frankel 0:50:51.920 --> 0:50:54.839 kind of like free Reign to have that scene even 0:50:54.880 --> 0:50:57.719 though it's it's on the paper, like I think he 0:50:57.840 --> 0:50:59.920 does say something like Kyle says we should have just 0:51:00.040 --> 0:51:02.759 your hormones or whatever, but like he just let me 0:51:02.880 --> 0:51:04.960 do every line like crazy, do. 0:51:04.960 --> 0:51:07.080 You know what I mean? It's but what is so 0:51:07.320 --> 0:51:11.040 funny is that in that scene after the Scottish planing, 0:51:11.120 --> 0:51:12.480 it feels so grounded. 0:51:12.640 --> 0:51:14.319 Oh yeah, yeah, it's like, then we're back. 0:51:14.560 --> 0:51:15.640 Yeah, well, then we're. 0:51:15.520 --> 0:51:18.920 Back because it's obvious that I am doing something that 0:51:19.920 --> 0:51:24.080 Trey is not involved in or whatever. It's like sad, 0:51:24.440 --> 0:51:26.400 it's so sad. And then when he sits down and 0:51:26.480 --> 0:51:27.960 says he's exhausted, he. 0:51:27.960 --> 0:51:28.759 Just wants to play golf. 0:51:28.920 --> 0:51:32.759 He wants to play golf. It's horrible. And then I'm 0:51:32.880 --> 0:51:35.240 like why, I feel like I should be more upset. 0:51:35.719 --> 0:51:37.960 But I also feel that there is kind of like 0:51:38.040 --> 0:51:40.840 a drip drip drip of it, right what I'm saying. 0:51:40.640 --> 0:51:43.239 It's perfectly paced because it ramps up. Because also I 0:51:43.280 --> 0:51:47.160 feel like that's it. That's a dawning realization, that's a 0:51:47.360 --> 0:51:50.399 that's not only just a rug pull. That's not only 0:51:50.440 --> 0:51:53.440 a realization of Charlotte thinking what if I don't have 0:51:53.520 --> 0:51:56.200 a kid. Then that's Charlotte going back to well what 0:51:56.320 --> 0:51:57.400 if this isn't my husband? 0:51:57.560 --> 0:51:57.680 Right? 0:51:57.840 --> 0:51:59.640 Then that's Charlotte going in the nursery and being like, 0:52:00.040 --> 0:52:04.560 I've built a house of lies. What how can I 0:52:04.640 --> 0:52:05.120 be here again? 0:52:05.320 --> 0:52:08.879 Definitely, and so I feel like, you, well, I'm good. 0:52:08.960 --> 0:52:12.040 Then I'm good then, okay, I feel much better. Thank you, Simon. 0:52:12.080 --> 0:52:14.680 Thank you Simon. That's good. That was the perfect description 0:52:14.840 --> 0:52:17.120 of what should be her interior monologue. So I feel 0:52:17.160 --> 0:52:19.960 really good. All right, everyone on, are you as Charlotte. 0:52:20.080 --> 0:52:22.040 We are going to take a break and we will 0:52:22.080 --> 0:52:27.040 be back with more Simon Curtis as the week continues. 0:52:27.200 --> 0:52:28.120 Thanks for joining us.