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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Nol. They called

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Speaker 1: me Ben. We are joined as always with our super

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Speaker 1: producer Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you

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Speaker 1: are you. You are here, and that makes this the

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Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know. It's Thursday if

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Speaker 1: it's time for One of our favorite parts of the

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Speaker 1: program are weekly listener mail segment, where we hear from

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Speaker 1: the best part of the show, you and your fellow

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Speaker 1: conspiracy realist. Uh. Today we're going to Today We're going

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Speaker 1: to dive too, as always, some strange things, uh, some

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Speaker 1: military secrets, some hidden US history, as well as what

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Speaker 1: could accurately be described as a vonnegut esque think tank.

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking particularly of a wonderful short story by Kurt

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Speaker 1: Vonnegut where the protagonist finds out that all of the

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Speaker 1: really do is like arbitrarily gamble on racing some kind

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Speaker 1: but it turns out Vonnegut wasn't wasn't just exactly making

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Speaker 1: this out of whole cloth, was well, Ben, I'm got

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Speaker 1: the absurds, just enough to like make it feel whimsical

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Speaker 1: But I need to read an actual book. And I think, Ben,

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Speaker 1: modified version that doesn't have the heavy weaponry. There's medical

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Speaker 1: evac versions as well, and things like that exactly. Ones

429
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 1: that lay mines like helicopters are around because they still

430
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 1: have a ton of uses there. The utility vehicles, you're

431
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:59,679
Speaker 1: very nimble and they can maneuver much more easily in land,

432
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:04,199
Speaker 1: much more flexibly. I think the aircraft's amazing technology. But

433
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 1: what are they doing in a Walmart now? Well? Okay,

434
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 1: so according to Dad Joke, these ares Sikorski H sixties

435
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,199
Speaker 1: that were at one point owned by the Navy that

436
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 1: were then purchased by the Coastguard. Much in the same

437
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,880
Speaker 1: way a surplus situation that we've discussed before, almost like

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00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 1: Jade Hellman in some ways, where it's attempting to sell

439
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 1: off surplus equipment heavy equipment in this case to another

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00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 1: organization or you know, like a local law enforcement or

441
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:40,360
Speaker 1: in this case the Coast Guard. Um. The weird thing

442
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 1: is that in that call, Dad Jokes says, there's one

443
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: in there on our When I talked to him, he said, oh,

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00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 1: there are there's eight or or a dozen. If if

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00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: you looked, if you looked in this old Walmart. You

446
00:27:55,320 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 1: would just see these decked out helicopter there's with fifty

447
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 1: cow weapons on them. Like we're talking the large weapons

448
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,719
Speaker 1: that a black Hawk would have, or perhaps a one

449
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 1: of the Seahawks that the Navy uses. UM. And they're

450
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: just sitting here and it's literally across the road from

451
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 1: a high school, and nobody knows that these helicopters are

452
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: in this thing? Was this Should we be talking about this? Guys? Yeah?

453
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 1: I was gonna say nobody did know. And for anyone

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Speaker 1: that's yelling at the radio about with the w tf

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00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: is jade Helm? Just a quick reminder, it was some

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00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 1: military maneuvers, some training that were done on private property

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00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 1: in a civilian area in a disused Walmart, UM, which

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Speaker 1: is I think the only reason I think we all

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00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 1: heard the connection there. Yeah, it was a huge thing

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00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 1: that they are. They're actually selling arms as well. Right,

461
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: it was always like an expo when it when this occurred,

462
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 1: we did um an episode for I believe that jade

463
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: Helm update. Uh do check that out for more information

464
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 1: is tied into other reports, typically ones that allege that

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Speaker 1: Uncle Sam is preparing to wage war on its own.

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Speaker 1: For in one way or another towards one group or another.

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00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: You'll often see. Another example of this would be reports

468
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 1: of FEMA creating tons and tons of coffins and shipping

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Speaker 1: them off in preparation for something some sort of martial

470
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 1: law situation. Right, it's a martial law related belief system,

471
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 1: and there there are some crazy things. You know, you

472
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 1: are likely living more closely to military infrastructure than you

473
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: think if you live in the United States. I I

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00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 1: couldn't agree more. And according to Dad Joke, this building

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Speaker 1: itself isn't owned by Walmart. It is in fact a

476
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 1: Coast Guard or the majority of that large building is

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Speaker 1: owned by the Coast Guard. In is a warehouse. And

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Speaker 1: if you go on Google Maps and actually says that

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00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 1: you click on it, it says Coastguard warehouse. Actually says

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Speaker 1: something like Coastguard base, I think if you click on it.

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00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: But then in the comments people are like, no, this

482
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 1: isn't the base. This is just a warehouse. And you

483
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 1: can find the Coastguard base which is just down the

484
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: way by the little airport that's there. It was so

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00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 1: fun talking to this person to Dad Joke because he

486
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 1: was just making such a I don't know, it's just

487
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 1: almost a joke to him. He's like, yeah, man, it's crazy,

488
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 1: like there's all these this serious equipment right there. Nobody

489
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 1: knows it's there. And we both felt it was very

490
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: odd that these these helicopters weren't kept on the Coastguard base,

491
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 1: which is not that far away, and if you look

492
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 1: at it, you know, from the top down, there's a

493
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 1: ton of space over there. You could easily put him

494
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: down there, unless you were hiding them for some reason. Yeah,

495
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: and then they're also you know, there are things that

496
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 1: could be done to render them unfliable or unusable that

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00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: might not be readily apparent. They do, he said, they

498
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 1: always take the propellers off. Yeah, okay, Yeah, so you

499
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: wouldn't want to try to take one in a hurry

500
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 1: because you have some assembly required, like idea. But also

501
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 1: I'm wondering too, how many people in that area would

502
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: know how to fly one. Well, the Coastguard folks, I

503
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,479
Speaker 1: bet there's just quite a few over there, That's what

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00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: I'm saying. It's not like a car that could get stolen.

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00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:30,719
Speaker 1: M hm. You know, you helicopter specific guy on your

506
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 1: highst team, just like an a team, he's the chopper

507
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: pilots in that crew scenario really really quickly. I just

508
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 1: wanted to double back to the jade Holme thing. Um,

509
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 1: it was a series of training exercises, um that we're

510
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: taking place in civilian areas. The Walmart part of it

511
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: was part of a big group of conspiracy theories not confirmed.

512
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 1: There were a bunch of Walmart closings that took place

513
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: around this and there were theories that they were directly

514
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: caused by the using them as some sort of base

515
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: or some sort of um hub, you know, for this

516
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: martial law takeover that year that we're talking about, but

517
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,959
Speaker 1: it wasn't confirmed. Yes, But ultimately jade Helm fifteen was

518
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 1: a military exercise and weapons sales opportunity, well also information

519
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 1: war warfare opportunity. That's how I would That's how I

520
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: would classify in retrospect. But what I like about this

521
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: story Dad, Joke and Matt is that this, first off,

522
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 1: this is clearly a true event. Uh. Secondly, it reminds

523
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: us of the interaction between public and private entities, Like

524
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 1: the military buys up a ton of private stuff forget

525
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: every year, every month in our own home base of Atlanta, Georgia,

526
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 1: quite large military installation was actually sold to a filmmaker

527
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 1: of note, Tyler Perry, so it became a film studio.

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00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: This kind of stuff happens. Uh, it's a way streets,

529
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: so it's not with that context, it's maybe not so

530
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: surprising that these copts are housed or warehouse literally in

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Speaker 1: a former Walmart. But it is surprising that everything seems,

532
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 1: as you said, Dad jokes so low key about the

533
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 1: parting quote. One of the parting quotes from Dad joke was,

534
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: you think you've got it all figured out, the government's

535
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 1: all these powerful people hiding all these secrets. Then you

536
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: just realize it's a bunch of local guys and they

537
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 1: put all their stuff in the old walmart. Just thought

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Speaker 1: that was fun. Well, we're running up on time here, guys.

539
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 1: But I just wanted to know a couple of other

540
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: things about this place. Right up the way, a little

541
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Speaker 1: north north east of here, like very close is the

542
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Speaker 1: Academy training facilities. You may recognize Academy the folks that

543
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: were once Blackwater and x E and all these other things.

544
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 1: And I all live with it. I instead of why

545
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: I don't know that I messed up And I said,

546
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 1: oh wait, ACADEMI and he's like, you mean Academy. I

547
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 1: was like, yep, sorry, yep, Academy. That's it. Well, you

548
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:21,800
Speaker 1: know that honestly, Um, I was often saying Academi because

549
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 1: I wanted to separate it from Academy. So I got it.

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00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: I think we both did that. Really Near perfect film series?

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00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 1: Would ever get involved with Near Perfect? Okay? Agreed to disagree.

552
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:41,800
Speaker 1: Oh you know who would have been great for this episode?

553
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: Who's that dude that makes the helicopter sounds? Michael Yeah,

554
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 1: Winslow right from the Police Academy movies. Dang, he would

555
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 1: have been perfect for this police Indeed Man, which is

556
00:34:56,080 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: your favorite Police Academy movie number number four. Yeah, for

557
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: incredibly profound reasons, which we will leave to the imagination.

558
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,919
Speaker 1: We will leave to the imagination. Check out Rotten Tomatoes rating.

559
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 1: That's that's all you need to know about that and

560
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 1: other masterworks such as Jeff Goldbloom's vibes. I'm sorry, Matt

561
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: as you always vibes the last things. The last things.

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00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: Um dad joke says, never ever take Assessna plane or

563
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: like a small plane. He said, never do it, and

564
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,240
Speaker 1: I mentioned, yeah, you know, we hear a lot about

565
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 1: when planes crash it's like those single engine sometimes twin

566
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 1: engine smaller planes. And he's like, I'm telling you, I

567
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: have done work on these small planes where I am

568
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 1: just welding the most crucial parts of these planes and

569
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 1: they just go and fly. And I swear to you

570
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: I'm doing great work, but I'm just welding these really

571
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 1: important components and scares the crap out of me knowing

572
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,800
Speaker 1: somebody's gonna fly it. Um. Just something to think about.

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00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,399
Speaker 1: And the last thing here is that dad Joke has

574
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: come upon and expired not I guess a vial or

575
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:17,879
Speaker 1: a bottle of one of the COVID vaccinations that he's got.

576
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 1: He was he was given to him because it's expired

577
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 1: and they were going to throw it away. So he

578
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: was just like, well, can I just have it? And

579
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 1: they gave it to him. He wants to send it

580
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,760
Speaker 1: to us so we can, you know, study it further

581
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: in the future when we find out I guess about something,

582
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 1: but the vaccines, I don't know. Just look out for that. Guys.

583
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: If if you get a weird package in the mail

584
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: and it's a vial, that's that's all I'm saying. One

585
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: person is weird, it's another person's Wednesday, Matt, you know, well, hey,

586
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 1: consider this our Wednesday or Tuesday. But yeah, all right,

587
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: that's it, and we're gonna take a quick break and

588
00:36:51,080 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: we'll be right back with more listener mail. And we

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00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:05,800
Speaker 1: have returned for one last act in our weekly Listener

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Speaker 1: Male segment. We are not returning on our lonesome. We

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00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: are joined by Andrew, who wrote an email about something

592
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,399
Speaker 1: we've alluded to in the past. Here's what he said.

593
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: Andrew said, Hey, realist, I can't be the only one

594
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: who went into a full existential crisis when they found

595
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:29,359
Speaker 1: the word malungeon next to an ancestor's name. Here we go.

596
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: Being of a family who left Kentucky for Illinois in

597
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 1: the late eighteen hundreds, I had never heard a single

598
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: thing about my Luncheon's and was never given any explanation

599
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: for our family's distinctive look beyond a vague Cherokee princess

600
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 1: in our past. Yours had already been one of my

601
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 1: favorite podcasts for a couple of years when Quarantine sent

602
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 1: me onto a journey into my past. Imagine my surprise

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00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 1: when I saw Maluncheon and Ben's bio. I am feeling

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00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: pretty lost in the weeds. With all of the new

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00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 1: information coming at me, I'd love to hear more about

606
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 1: the mysteries of these people and was wondering if you've

607
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 1: done an episode or would consider doing one in the future.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for reading. I'm anxious to hear more, Andrew Proud

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00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 1: the Lungeon Roma. It's a good question, Andrew, Um. This

610
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 1: is a story that's close to my personal experience, as

611
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: Matt and Noel are well aware, I do come from

612
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 1: a historically a Maluncheon family and this word, this concept

613
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:38,320
Speaker 1: is filled with all sorts of fascinating legends, if untrue,

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00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: fascinating and what I'd like to do, what I'd like

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00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: to do for you today, Andrew, is tell you the

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00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: legend as I heard it growing up, and then tell

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00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 1: you the truth or what is the current accepted science,

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00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,959
Speaker 1: and then maybe explore a little bit of how how

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Speaker 1: the this story became so confusing through his Jory's pal

620
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: obsessed for the game of telephone and Noel Matt, I

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Speaker 1: apologize to you guys because you have heard this story

622
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: before when we've been hanging out off air. I'm excited

623
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Speaker 1: about this. We also made a TV show about this

624
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: Ben Treasure, right, that's right. It was not our original choice.

625
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 1: It was not our first choice. Wasn't Elvis a malungeon

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00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 1: or in some some way connected with that group. So

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00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: there's speculation that Elvis is uh. One of his parents,

628
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 1: his mother specifically, was a ma Luncheon, that Abraham Lincoln

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Speaker 1: had some sort of connection. The thing about this is

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00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: a lot of it's based on legend, but there is

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00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 1: there is a true story, and the Luncheons are a

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00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 1: real part of the world here in the United States.

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00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 1: So the stories I heard it dot, could we get

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00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:55,800
Speaker 1: like a corny once upon a time queue? Perfect? Thank

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00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 1: you all right? So, as I heard it way way

636
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: back in the day, when Europeans were first going into

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00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: the hinterlands of the Appalachian Mountains, they encountered people they

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00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 1: had never seen before. These people had darker skin, but

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Speaker 1: they seem to have European facial features. They lived in

640
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 1: long houses, communal living quarters, and they, surprised, seemed to

641
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 1: speak some incredibly antiquated version of English. Who are you?

642
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 1: People said the Europeans, Uh, We're We're uh, We've just

643
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: always been here. Why they're like, well, because if you

644
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Speaker 1: are Native American, that's not the word they would use

645
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 1: at the time, but they said, if you're Native American,

646
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Speaker 1: you have to g t f O when you get out.

647
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: This is our place now. And they said, oh, no,

648
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 1: we're not uh no, we're um. And they looked around

649
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: and they were kind of thinking, like what else could

650
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Speaker 1: we be? What else do you have? And they said,

651
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Speaker 1: right mel Lune, No, not not yet, they're not at

652
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Speaker 1: that point yet. They say, oh, we're We're Roma, you know,

653
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:12,240
Speaker 1: that's that's that's what we are. And so fast forward, however,

654
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 1: many years, however, many decades, Europeans returned to this isolated

655
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: area and they say, hey, did you all say you

656
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 1: were Roma? And they're like, well, what happens if we're Roma?

657
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: And they say, well, if you're Roma, g t FO

658
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: you gotta get out. They're like, oh no, we're something,

659
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:32,320
Speaker 1: we're uh something else. And so from that's the stories

660
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: I heard it, and from that for centuries, people have

661
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 1: been trying to guess what these people were, some of

662
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 1: the first free people of color legally in the US

663
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 1: uh and the subject of all sorts of legends, many

664
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Speaker 1: of which you probably wouldn't hear outside of Hancock County,

665
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 1: East Tennessee, where historically they're based so Andrew. The the

666
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 1: answer is that Melungeons, as a group, or as a

667
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 1: name for many other similar groups, Melengs are real thing.

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00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: Today we would call this group tri racial isolate. The

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Speaker 1: DNA mixture is from Native American populations, people from Sub

670
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 1: Saharan Africa, and Europeans. So this all kind of mixed together.

671
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: And as far as experts can pinpoint, it began in Wise,

672
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 1: Virginia or somewhere thereabouts around the sixteen hundreds. That's where

673
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:39,320
Speaker 1: they think the population originated. But still, you know, science,

674
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 1: science has a hard time going up against legends and tradition.

675
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 1: So over the centuries, Millungeans have been associated with things

676
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: like hidden treasure, which uh, which I wish we could find,

677
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 1: don't don't get me wrong, I hope we find it. Uh.

678
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: And then the allegations extraordinary powers or occult covenants, things

679
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 1: like that. Those were things that people really believe. But

680
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 1: I want to ask you. I want to ask you, guys,

681
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Speaker 1: Noel Matt, had you ever heard of this term before

682
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: we met? No? No, I haven't. No. Yeah, it was

683
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: something that I was learning. I've learned about honestly, but

684
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: through through you. And then I think we've done. We've

685
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 1: done some episodes about it in the past that explored

686
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 1: it a little bit more, you know, deeply. But um,

687
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 1: it's definitely not something that was ever on my radar.

688
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 1: So I thank you for that, Ben, just so you know,

689
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:39,240
Speaker 1: personally been for me. It's a term I I guarantee

690
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 1: you I had seen before, but not until we had

691
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 1: a conversation about it did I begin noticing it where

692
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: I had that effect where now I see the word

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00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: when it when it's in an article or something, and

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00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: I now I recognize it. I guess if that makes sense.

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00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: I didn't know what the word melungeon meant until we

696
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:04,240
Speaker 1: talked about it and I learned about Silverado and the

697
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:10,240
Speaker 1: lost silver of the Appalachians. That part wasn't us folks.

698
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 1: But but yeah, so so yeah, Without going into some

699
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 1: autobiography or personal life monologue, let's let's take a look

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00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 1: at the larger issue here. There there is a ton

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00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 1: of folklore associated with this. Um, the typical description, the

702
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: historical description of what would qualify as a ma luncheon. Uh,

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Speaker 1: You're not going to see a lot of people like

704
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 1: that in Tennessee today unless you're in very specific, isolated

705
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 1: pockets of eastern Tennessee. You'll see people who have last names,

706
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 1: surnames associated with Malungeon's, and you'll see some Malungeon traits.

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00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 1: But because of the way this group has been defined

708
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:00,040
Speaker 1: over time and the way in which it tried to

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00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 1: work within the United States, they've been largely assimilated. So

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00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,760
Speaker 1: it's not like it's not like you're gonna drive past

711
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 1: some railroad tracks and then all of a sudden have

712
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 1: somebody say next to you in a hushed whisper, we're

713
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 1: in Maluncheon nown No, it's it's it's not that extreme.

714
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 1: But the bigger question is one of the history of

715
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 1: North America because what we are often taught in this

716
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 1: country is relatively sanitized or it has its own agenda

717
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 1: that it is pushing. That has historically been the case,

718
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: and what we see when we look at actual history

719
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: is that the narrative is rarely as clear cut as

720
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 1: a textbook. Uh. The way that the story or the

721
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:50,879
Speaker 1: idea of a Malungian community Melnian communities, I should say,

722
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 1: the way it got muddied is pretty interesting because it

723
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 1: became a catch all term for people who would now

724
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 1: be described as, you know, members of a tri racial

725
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 1: isolate community, and that means that there may be people

726
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 1: who have nothing to do with East Tennessee who identify

727
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: themselves as malungeons or historically the community in which they

728
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:15,439
Speaker 1: lived identified them as such. And this is I think

729
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: this is fascinating because it proves that there is still

730
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 1: a lot of historical mysteries on this continent. It doesn't

731
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:28,799
Speaker 1: stop at what Croaton that's how you say it, No,

732
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 1: for sure, then I was looking just at what you're

733
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 1: talking about. There, the the history, even the word that's used,

734
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 1: and like what it means and why it's why it's used.

735
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 1: I was looking at the book Children of Perdition from

736
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 1: Tim Hashaw. I think that's how you say his name. Um.

737
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: You can definitely see where there was a there was

738
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:57,720
Speaker 1: a lot of prejudice and racism around Um, centered around

739
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 1: malungeons and the population at the time. Yeah, yeah, that's true,

740
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:07,359
Speaker 1: and there are you can easily search the internet and

741
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 1: see historical pictures of this. There are also works of fiction.

742
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:17,280
Speaker 1: They're also plays. Notably there there's one play, most notably

743
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 1: a play called Beyond the Sunset, which came out in

744
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 1: the late sixties. I want to say this, this conversation

745
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: is important because for a long time, in my family

746
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:36,800
Speaker 1: and extended community, the question of origin was a matter

747
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: of which legend a person preferred. And as the United

748
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 1: States went through its trials and tribulations, the narratives of

749
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 1: these people also changed in step with that. It was

750
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 1: until the emergence of better genealogical tools that more people

751
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 1: were able to trace this sort of this sort of

752
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 1: lineage or this sort of family history. And we have

753
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: one example in the stuff they don't want you to know,

754
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: family of someone who did take uh, did take a

755
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 1: DNA test, and that's our very own Noel Brown. And

756
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 1: we've talked about this a little bit in the past, Noal,

757
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,320
Speaker 1: But I think you were you were a little surprised

758
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 1: by your results. Well, I was surprised, and that I

759
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 1: was kind of underwhelmed. Um, I was just kind of

760
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:26,720
Speaker 1: like it was just kind of like a big swath

761
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:31,800
Speaker 1: of like basic Nordic kind of uh you know, heritage, um,

762
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 1: without much super interesting um you know connectivity. But I

763
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:39,319
Speaker 1: did find out that there's like another step you can do,

764
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:42,720
Speaker 1: or you can take those results and get them further

765
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: analyzed that give you a little bit more of a

766
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 1: sexy breakdown in terms of like specifics. But yeah, the

767
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:52,399
Speaker 1: the out of the box um results were a little

768
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:59,760
Speaker 1: bit man man, for that's a that's a steel weren't

769
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:04,320
Speaker 1: there early DNA test something like you are from Earth

770
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 1: that will be five dollars, probably from one of the continents. Yeah,

771
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:16,880
Speaker 1: but thanks for your right here. Yeah, we'll give you

772
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 1: right here. So uh In in real terms, Andrew, what

773
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 1: this means is that people who are from families that

774
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 1: have been historically identified as maluncheon will often not physically

775
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:34,320
Speaker 1: resemble the malungeons who would see in an historical search.

776
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 1: And people like this are not alone. A ton of

777
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 1: people in the US have more to their family tree,

778
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 1: you know, than they would guess. And I'll say, honestly,

779
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 1: a lot of people have stuff in their family tree

780
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: that would unpleasantly surprise them. Because history is a very

781
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:56,439
Speaker 1: very long thing, right, and we're just the newest part

782
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 1: of it. So what does this mean today and what

783
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 1: does this mean for you? Well, this means that you

784
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 1: have an entirely new book or chapter in the story

785
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 1: of everything that led to you writing to us and

786
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 1: hearing this podcast. Now, if you want to learn more

787
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 1: about the current malungeon community, which is still active, that,

788
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 1: and if you have Facebook that I would recommend checking

789
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 1: out several Facebook pages. You can find them pretty easily.

790
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 1: It's a bunch of people sharing genealogical information up to

791
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: and including some of their DNA info. That last part

792
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 1: I would be mindful of, but it is up to you,

793
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:40,879
Speaker 1: and I would love to hear back from you. We'd

794
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 1: also love to hear I personally would love to hear

795
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 1: from more people who are historically part of a tri

796
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 1: racial isolate community, because these are stories that don't often

797
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 1: make it to the mainstream because it might not be

798
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 1: a huge community of people, or it may be a

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00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 1: group of people who are historically disadvantaged and kind of

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00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 1: ignored by the mainstream. So if you have a story

801
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 1: like that, I would love to hear it. If your

802
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: Walmart is housing helicopters or something that you don't think

803
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 1: of Walmart pharmacy would normally sell, we'd love to hear it.

804
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 1: And if you are one of the Jason's, would also

805
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 1: love to hear from you. You don't have to be

806
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:24,800
Speaker 1: one of the elite scientists Jason's. You could just be Adjason,

807
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, a Jason and Steve or whatever you might be.

808
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:32,399
Speaker 1: You can be adjacent. You can, you certainly can't. All

809
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 1: you gotta do is is is have a computer and

810
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 1: internet access. Actually not even that, but we'll get to

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00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 1: that in a second. On the internet, you can find

812
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 1: us in the usual places. We are on Facebook, we

813
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 1: are on Twitter, we are on YouTube at Conspiracy Stuff,

814
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 1: on Instagram where a conspiracy stuff show. And like I said,

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Speaker 1: no internet access native you can actually give us a

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00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 1: telephone call. That's right. Number is one eight three three

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00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:12,840
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Speaker 1: the night before h and spend like way too much

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