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Speaker 1: trusting the guys that you're throwing too. I think a

432
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Speaker 1: lot of situations you don't get to throw the bang

433
00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:07,439
Speaker 1: eight hundred times, and so you gotta know when that

434
00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:10,280
Speaker 1: guy hits his fourth outside foot, he is going to

435
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Speaker 1: stick it, and he is going to go to a

436
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Speaker 1: certain point, so I can hit my fifth step and

437
00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,600
Speaker 1: I can let the ball go and and so a

438
00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:19,320
Speaker 1: lot of that anticipation comes down to can you be

439
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Speaker 1: with the same guys, run the same plays against the

440
00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:26,280
Speaker 1: same looks enough that you can build from where you're

441
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Speaker 1: at right now. Some guys, I believe just have an

442
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Speaker 1: extra sense of anticipation. But I do believe there's ways

443
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Speaker 1: to do it, um, but it takes a whole bunch

444
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Speaker 1: of trust. And I think the more chance you get

445
00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:39,840
Speaker 1: to be with guys for a longer period of time,

446
00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:43,080
Speaker 1: the better chance you have of developing a little more

447
00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:46,359
Speaker 1: anticipation with those types of players. I want to stay

448
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Speaker 1: on this subject. I know where we're going along on

449
00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:50,600
Speaker 1: this aspect of the position, but there's nothing more important

450
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Speaker 1: when you're talking about anticipation, timing and accuracy. And Kurt,

451
00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:56,040
Speaker 1: you know now that you you go on the record

452
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Speaker 1: talking about these college quarterbacks as we do, and I'm

453
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Speaker 1: sure you hear from a lot of the same folks

454
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Speaker 1: on social media that we hear about. But but look

455
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Speaker 1: at his stats, look at his completion percentage. We talked

456
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Speaker 1: about not scouting the box score, but can you explain

457
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Speaker 1: to folks that can hear it from a Hall of

458
00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:16,280
Speaker 1: famer the difference between completions and ball placement? Yeah, no question.

459
00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,800
Speaker 1: I mean to me, uh, you can talk about completions

460
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Speaker 1: or you talk about accuracy, And to me, accuracy was

461
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Speaker 1: always the ability to put the ball exactly where it

462
00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:29,280
Speaker 1: needed to be for your receive receiver. To make the catch.

463
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Speaker 1: And sometimes that was you got tight coverage on the

464
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Speaker 1: inside shoulder. Can I put it on the outside shoulder

465
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Speaker 1: so we get a four yard completion instead of that

466
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Speaker 1: guy knocking it down. Or it's you know, a guy

467
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Speaker 1: running a shallow route, that's a four yard route. Do

468
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Speaker 1: I put it one step in front of him so

469
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Speaker 1: we can make the catch and turn and continue to

470
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Speaker 1: go somewhere with it. Sometime it's there a defender running

471
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Speaker 1: out in front of him, so I gotta put it

472
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Speaker 1: on their back shoulder. Uh. You know, it's those kinds

473
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Speaker 1: of things when I think about accuracy, and you're right,

474
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Speaker 1: a lot of people will look at numbers and saying, well,

475
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Speaker 1: he completed this percentage of his passes. And I'm always

476
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Speaker 1: watching in games going, man, could that guy have gotten

477
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Speaker 1: an extra three yards, four yards, five yards if that

478
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,439
Speaker 1: ball was in better position. I don't think there's anybody

479
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,359
Speaker 1: better than the league, And obviously the stats speak to

480
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 1: that too. Is Drew Brees. When you watch him play,

481
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:22,200
Speaker 1: his ability to control the football even on deeper throws,

482
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Speaker 1: and that really becomes to me that the biggest thing

483
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Speaker 1: is that farther you get down the field, the tougher

484
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Speaker 1: it is to be accurate, as we talk about to

485
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Speaker 1: put it on a bat shoulder, to keep it one

486
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Speaker 1: foot in front of him. You know, we used to

487
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,719
Speaker 1: talk about, you know, those twenty two yards in throws.

488
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Speaker 1: You wanted to put it right on their face mask

489
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Speaker 1: so they didn't have to extend, they didn't have to

490
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Speaker 1: go low. It was right on their face masks, so

491
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Speaker 1: it could protect them if a safety was hitting them

492
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,520
Speaker 1: or a linebacker was falling back. Um. But yeah, that that,

493
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,360
Speaker 1: to me is the difference. Is. You can talk all

494
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Speaker 1: you want about completion percentage. To me, it's about are

495
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,920
Speaker 1: you putting your receiver in a position, uh to either

496
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Speaker 1: protect himself, to make sure he can make the catch,

497
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,639
Speaker 1: to keep but away from a defender, or maybe more importantly,

498
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 1: the ability to run after catch. We talk about receivers

499
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 1: all the time and their ability to run after catch.

500
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Speaker 1: A big part of that, in my opinion, is the

501
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Speaker 1: quarterback that they have playing with them. That puts them

502
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Speaker 1: in position to have to not have to lose a step,

503
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 1: to not have to slow down, to be able to

504
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 1: catch things in stride and make guys miss and make

505
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 1: plays after the catch. You know, care you had the

506
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Speaker 1: opportunity to play a lot of football before you get

507
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 1: to the National Football League and had your chance to

508
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 1: really make it, Uh, playing in the arena, thornaball around

509
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 1: the yard. When you're a collegian. When you look at

510
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 1: these quarterbacks that are coming into the league, how important

511
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Speaker 1: is it to have a resume that does have a

512
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Speaker 1: number of throws that allows you to really evaluate what

513
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Speaker 1: they are as passers so you can project what they

514
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Speaker 1: will be at the next level. I don't think there's

515
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Speaker 1: any question that the more throws, the more you have

516
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:55,959
Speaker 1: to evaluate, the more situations a quarterback has been in, Uh,

517
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Speaker 1: the better chance you have to evaluate them. Yes, but

518
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,359
Speaker 1: but I think the better handle you have on what

519
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,920
Speaker 1: kind of quarterback you're gonna get. And um, you know,

520
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 1: it's one of the hard things about evaluating these college guys,

521
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:09,920
Speaker 1: as you know very well. I mean, I'll watch some

522
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 1: of these college quarterbacks and I don't watch as much

523
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:13,959
Speaker 1: of their tape as you guys do, but I can

524
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,439
Speaker 1: go through three or four games where I'll see them

525
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,119
Speaker 1: throw bubble screens and go routes and I'm thinking to myself,

526
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Speaker 1: I don't know how to tell you how this is

527
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,639
Speaker 1: going to project to the next level. I mean, this

528
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 1: person could be great and don't forget those scrambles right exactly.

529
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Speaker 1: So it's it's so hard because so much is predicated

530
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Speaker 1: before the ball is even snapped. And yeah, of course,

531
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:38,959
Speaker 1: at every level, you know, there's a level of pre

532
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,360
Speaker 1: snap reads and understanding where you're gonna go and where

533
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 1: your matchups are, but it's at such a high level

534
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 1: in college that so much is determined beforehand that it

535
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Speaker 1: really is hard for me to really kind of see

536
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:52,399
Speaker 1: forward and go okay when we put them into an

537
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 1: NFL offense and you know, you can't just base it

538
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 1: off of my guys better than your guy, or you know,

539
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 1: I got two guys out there, well may that work

540
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 1: and you actually have to read stuff. Uh, it is

541
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Speaker 1: very difficult. Give an example, Baker Mayfield for me, was

542
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 1: very difficult to scout two years ago. Um, and you

543
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 1: saw a lot more kinds of throws from Baker, so

544
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:15,159
Speaker 1: you knew he could throw the football in a lot

545
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 1: of different ways. But they had such a gadget offense

546
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 1: where you know, lots of fakes over here and then

547
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 1: a guy is running wide open down the other sideline

548
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 1: and he throws in. He gets a big touchdown, and

549
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 1: you're like, well, that's great, but I don't know what

550
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 1: that means. I think everybody in the NFL can make

551
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 1: that throw for a touchdown. What's it gonna be like

552
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 1: when there's a guy on his back shoulder and he's

553
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 1: got to make that throw, you know, or he's getting

554
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Speaker 1: pressure because he can't stand in a huge pocket like

555
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 1: a Kyler Murray did this year, and he's got to

556
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Speaker 1: stand in there and deliver a throw. And so those

557
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,159
Speaker 1: things are hard to calculate when you have teams that

558
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,120
Speaker 1: are better than most of the teams that they play,

559
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,680
Speaker 1: that are schemed better than most of the teams that

560
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Speaker 1: they play, And how is that going to project when

561
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 1: everything gets a little bit tighter and now you've got

562
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,879
Speaker 1: to just be a better football player in those you know,

563
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 1: little nuances or those small windows, and you can't always

564
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 1: project that um And it takes a little bit of

565
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Speaker 1: time to see what they're gonna be at the NFL level,

566
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 1: no doubt, Kurt, We've talked about what we're looking for

567
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 1: on the field now. Obviously a huge component is is

568
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Speaker 1: what the makeup is like for players, and leadership is

569
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Speaker 1: a is a huge aspect of that. And on the

570
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 1: scouting side, you're constantly trying to dig and talk to

571
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Speaker 1: coaches and teammates to learn about them as leaders, which

572
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,880
Speaker 1: kind of leads me into a little another sound bite

573
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Speaker 1: here from one of your former teammates, Larry Fitzgerald, talking

574
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Speaker 1: about a situation he had with you, and I want

575
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Speaker 1: you to pick it up out of this bite and

576
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 1: and just kind of riff on the importance of leadership

577
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 1: at the position. Depending on your personality, he knows how

578
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,120
Speaker 1: to tweak you. So if you're a guy that can't

579
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Speaker 1: deal with being criticized and he's not gonna do what,

580
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: he's gonna patch you one to play, tell on you.

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00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 1: That's what you do. That's what you do. Um, if

582
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:51,640
Speaker 1: you're a guy that needs to get jumped on, he'll

583
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 1: do that. He would always jump on me no matter what.

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Speaker 1: But playing against Seattle Seahawk, I was close to a

585
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Speaker 1: hundred yards. I wanted to get to a hundred yards.

586
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 1: I was like, Kurt, I'm gonna get about six more

587
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 1: yards to get to this hunter. He looked at me,

588
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 1: he said, are you trying to win this game or

589
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 1: this is all about you? I'll never forget uh that

590
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,400
Speaker 1: moment um, you know, because you know I'd come here

591
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Speaker 1: to Arizona, and you know, it was about changing the culture.

592
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 1: It was about changing what we believed and what we

593
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 1: were trying to accomplish and what was most important. Um.

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Speaker 1: And you know, it was a time period when Seattle

595
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: was pretty good with Matt Hasselbeck and kind of owned

596
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Speaker 1: our division, and we were trying to take that next

597
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Speaker 1: step and become that team. Uh you know that would

598
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 1: you know, kind of own the division for a while.

599
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Speaker 1: And so we were up in Seattle, we were beating

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Speaker 1: him late in the game, and uh, yeah, I remember,

601
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Speaker 1: you know, one of the coaches came over to me

602
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: first and said, hey, you know, Larry's close to a

603
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Speaker 1: hundred yards, and you know it wants to get another

604
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: ball to get over a hundred. And I couldn't believe it.

605
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 1: I'm like, here, we are trying to just change this

606
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: thing and get a win, and and Larry wants to

607
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: get to a hundred yards. So I had to give

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Speaker 1: him a little piece of my mind, uh with that,

609
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Speaker 1: And as you said, it wasn't so much the point

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Speaker 1: of yeah, I didn't care if we got a hundred yards.

611
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 1: I didn't care if we threw it to Larry. One

612
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: more time. It was simply just the mindset at that

613
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: point in the game is that I want guys to

614
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 1: forget about the individual at that point and you want

615
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 1: to think about what do we need to do to

616
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 1: finish this game and get where we're trying to go.

617
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Speaker 1: And you know, there's no better opportunities as a leader

618
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: then when one of your other leaders like Larry. I mean,

619
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Speaker 1: everybody looked up to Larry, and rightfully so, the way

620
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 1: he plays the game, the way he carries himself, the

621
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: face of the franchise in Arizona. But that was one

622
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: of those opportunities that I saw when I was there,

623
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Speaker 1: and it's like, oh, this is perfect, you know, and

624
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: no events to Larry, because I know Larry is gonna

625
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 1: go out and do his job and is not necessarily

626
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 1: a selfish player. But it was a great opportunity to go. Okay,

627
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 1: let's use Larry as an example. So every young guy

628
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 1: that is standing on the bench, you know, everybody that

629
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: hears this story knows, Okay, this is what we're about.

630
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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if you're Larry Fitzgerald or four guy

631
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Speaker 1: on the depth chart as a wide receiver. It's not

632
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 1: about the individual ever, it's about what we're trying to

633
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: accomplish as a team. And I thought Larry mentioned something

634
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: else early in that that SoundBite when he said, it's

635
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: understanding how to talk to different people. To me, leadership

636
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 1: is not okay, it's it's cookie cutter. Well, this is

637
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 1: how I lead, This is what I'm going to do

638
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: in each at every situation. I don't think that's the case.

639
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: When you've got fifty two other guys in the locker

640
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: room and everybody comes from a different place and everybody

641
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 1: has motivated a different way. Leadership becomes about getting to

642
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 1: know all of those individuals and what makes them tick,

643
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: how you're going to get the best out of that

644
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 1: individual and it might not be the same. And you

645
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 1: know what I realized about Larry is Larry hated to

646
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: be called out in front of his teammates. That was

647
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 1: the one thing, you know, he wanted to be that

648
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: model guy always, you know, did the things the right way.

649
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: And so I always knew with Larry that if I

650
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: wanted him to change something and never do it again,

651
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 1: just call him out in a meeting, call him out

652
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 1: in front of the young guys. And and he hated it.

653
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: But what I knew was he was gonna go fix

654
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 1: it because he didn't want to get uh you know,

655
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: kind of called out that same way. And then I

656
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: had other receivers and other guys that I played with

657
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 1: that you almost had to make every idea seemed like

658
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 1: it was their idea. You know, go have a conversation

659
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: with him, put your arm around him, and eventually they

660
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: would get at the point that you wanted them, that

661
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 1: you wanted them to get to, and it was like,

662
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: oh man, that is a great idea, Why don't you

663
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: go do that from now on? But they took ownership

664
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: of it. And when they took ownership of it, you

665
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: knew that they were going to go out and do

666
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 1: that to the best of their ability. And so that

667
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: is a big part of leadership in my opinion, especially

668
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: in a locker room, is figuring out what makes all

669
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: these different guys tick and then pushing whatever that button

670
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: is to make sure you get the best out of him.

671
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: The final question for me, I think you are the

672
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,959
Speaker 1: perfect person to answer this um. When you look at

673
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 1: quarterbacks in the NFL landscape, please explain to me what

674
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: are the differences between a system quarterback and a franchise quarterback. Um, well,

675
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, uh, I think all quarterbacks

676
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: are system quarterbacks. You know, I mentioned it earlier that

677
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: I got into the system with Mike Marts that just

678
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 1: fit me to a t. You know, I went to

679
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 1: New York and you guys will know as well as anybody,

680
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: everybody thought it was awful, like this guy can't play anymore.

681
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: But I found myself in a system that just didn't

682
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 1: fit what I did. Now, we found ways to win,

683
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 1: and you know, can make plays here and there, but

684
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 1: it just didn't fit my skill set. And you know,

685
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: I often say this, how many great quarterbacks do you

686
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: know that have played and had great success in multiple systems.

687
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: I mean you can maybe count them on one head,

688
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 1: and a lot of them, a lot of them you

689
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: would vary and go, well, maybe he was in a

690
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 1: different place, but they still ran the same type of

691
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 1: system in that different place, and it just doesn't happen.

692
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: Because great quarterbacks are great because they find a system

693
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: that plays to their strengths. And so that's why I

694
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: believe all quarterbacks are a system quarterback is that you know,

695
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 1: you could give me a play in the West Coast office,

696
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 1: you could give three quarterbacks to play from the West

697
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 1: Coast offense, and one quarterback would love it. The next

698
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 1: guy goes and it's okay, I can use it. And

699
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: then the third guy go, I hate that play. I

700
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 1: don't want to run that play ever. And it's a

701
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: great play for the right guy. But you have to

702
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: find what fits you and so um so I would

703
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: start by saying, I think all franchise quarterbacks are system quarterbacks.

704
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,959
Speaker 1: They they play better within a particular system, and if

705
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 1: they can find that system and stay in it, you're

706
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: going to see greatness. You know, Drew Brees, Tom Brady.

707
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 1: I mean, the list can go on with these guys

708
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: that stayed in one place for a long time. They

709
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: developed the system around themselves and that's why they were

710
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: able to be great. I mean, I would never create

711
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: a system or want to stay in a system that

712
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: didn't play to my strengths, and you'd be swimming up

713
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 1: stream all the time. Um. But then, you know, we

714
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: all know that there's also some quarter acts that aren't

715
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: franchise guys, aren't guys that can carry the team with

716
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 1: their right arm, that can benefit from being in a

717
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: great system, being around great players, having great coaches that

718
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 1: put them in positions to succeed, but never get to

719
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 1: that point of being a franchise type guy. But I'm

720
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: a firm believer that every quarterback is a system quarterback.

721
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 1: Every great quarterback finds themselves great because they're surrounded by

722
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: great players, great coaches, but they're in a system that

723
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 1: fits what they do. Kurt, last question from me. We

724
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,359
Speaker 1: have a we have a lot of decision makers around

725
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 1: the NFL, general managers, personnel directors, a lot of scouts

726
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 1: as well as a lot of people that listen to

727
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 1: the show that are aspiring scouts and want to go

728
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 1: in that field. So, if you're gonna give all these

729
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: evaluators at the position you played at a Hall of

730
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 1: Fame level, if you could just give them one piece

731
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 1: of advice when evaluating this position, what would it be? Yeah,

732
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 1: I mean at you guys, now, it's so hard to

733
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: give one piece of advice for this position. But I've

734
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 1: if I was giving them, I mean one piece of

735
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give them two views advice of advice. The

736
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 1: first one is always going to be how do they

737
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 1: play in the moment? How do they play in the

738
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: biggest moment? Because to me, of all the traits you

739
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 1: want in a quarterback. The biggest one is when we

740
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 1: need him, when we need him to make that throw

741
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: or that play or that drive in that moment, canny

742
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: do it and not everybody can do that. So that's

743
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 1: the first thing I would look at is look at

744
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: those moments in games and in their career and how

745
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 1: did they play in the moment. And then the second

746
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 1: thing is I think it all comes down to decision making,

747
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: and decision making can be twofold. For me, it can

748
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: be you know, touchdowns to interceptions, as we see the

749
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson's, the Aaron Rodgers and how well they protect

750
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: the football so they very seldom put their team in

751
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 1: harm's way. But I think decision making is also the

752
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: ability to see and make the layups, the ability to

753
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 1: make the three rows they're supposed to make almost every time.

754
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: Because if you get a quarterback that can do that

755
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: and can protect the football for you, you're gonna be

756
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: in a lot of games with opportunities to win. You

757
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: couple that with quarterbacks that play well in the moment,

758
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 1: and you're gonna have a chance to be a championship

759
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: type team year in a year out. Oh I love

760
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 1: one question before you run. One of the things I

761
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 1: was thinking of what we're always, um, just for my

762
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: own personal sake, but we're always trying to when you're

763
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 1: talking to coaches and you're trying to find out these

764
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 1: you know that does a kid love it as he

765
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: putting in the time? Is he is he doing all

766
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 1: the extra work? Um? Most guys that you played with,

767
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: would you would you produce a notebook like when they're

768
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:39,879
Speaker 1: when you're watching tape throughout the week? Would you keep

769
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,359
Speaker 1: track of that particular noteboo? Because one of the things

770
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of is a quarterback tells you, hey, I

771
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: love the process and all that stuff. Okay, well you're

772
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: coming out here on don't you bring your notebook that

773
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: you kept during the year. I'd like to just look

774
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: at your notes that you kept. Yeah. I didn't necessarily

775
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: have notebooks, but like for me, the way that I

776
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,839
Speaker 1: prepared every week was, I mean, hey, we had our

777
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: our game plan, so I would you know, have my

778
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 1: notes on my game plan. But then I drew up

779
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: every single play that was ever put into the game

780
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 1: plan on my own, you know, So Monday was our

781
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: first and second down stuff. I would draw up every play.

782
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 1: I mean sometimes to be a hundred plays. I would

783
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,479
Speaker 1: draw them all up, you know, I'd write in my hots,

784
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:18,320
Speaker 1: I'd write in my notes, I'd write in what I

785
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 1: was doing on every coverage. So I always had notes, um,

786
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: you know, on everything within our offense. And that's what

787
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: I always find it fascinating when people say, do you

788
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: enjoy the process? You know, because to me, there's so

789
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: many different things that go into that. What does that mean?

790
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: Like I didn't enjoy going out and dropping back a

791
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,320
Speaker 1: hundred times, you know, I didn't enjoy that part of it.

792
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: You know. In the off season of when I was

793
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 1: a pro, I very seldom picked up a football, you know,

794
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: So I wasn't out there because the one thing I

795
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 1: knew is I know how to throw a football. I'm

796
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:52,800
Speaker 1: not gonna forget how to be accurate with a football.

797
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 1: So what I did is I went and played basketball,

798
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: or I went and worked my feet, and I did

799
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 1: the things that I wasn't necessarily good at in the

800
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 1: off season. So I think enjoying the process can mean

801
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: so many different things, you know, because the off season,

802
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: the process that I enjoyed was the xs and ohs,

803
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: like get me in a room and let's talk about

804
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: the wise and how you run stuff and who we're

805
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: attacking and why we're attacking. That's what I loved. The

806
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: hardest thing was how do you enjoy that process in

807
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: the off season? What do you do you know, especially

808
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,839
Speaker 1: when you can't sit down with coaches and you can't

809
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: go through stuff because so much of that process has

810
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: to be maybe on a board, but on a field

811
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 1: right with other guys. I can't just simulate what I'm

812
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 1: gonna see by putting two receivers out there and calling

813
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: out a particular route. And so that's the one hard

814
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: thing I say. I think a good way to do

815
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: that though, The real quickly one thing is like if

816
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: we're just trying to when you're talking to these kids,

817
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 1: right and you're trying to learn about them, Um, I

818
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: think what you're hitting on those a good point in

819
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,320
Speaker 1: terms of what is your walk us through your weekly

820
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 1: process of of how you're getting ready for an opponent.

821
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: Maybe you know you don't have to produce your notes,

822
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 1: but just kind of tell me on Monday, I'm focused

823
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: on this and and I'm gonna you know, just in

824
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: terms of how they prepare for the week, because everybody's

825
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 1: gonna say oh, you know, I love it. I'm passionate

826
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:13,919
Speaker 1: about it. I take it seriously. But there's there's gotta

827
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:15,879
Speaker 1: be a way we can try and find out more,

828
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: you know, to get more information there. Yeah, but I

829
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: think that's a great, you know, great way to go

830
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 1: about it. Is what is your process? Because again, you know,

831
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 1: you get guys that do it differently. You know, you'll

832
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: ask people how much tape do you watch? And I

833
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 1: always find that as a sticky subject because you know,

834
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: you hear all about Peyton Manning and how much tape

835
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 1: he watches and how good he is before the snap.

836
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 1: And I remember early on in my career that I

837
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: was watching you know, tape on the Saints defense and

838
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: I remember, you know, watching a corner and you know

839
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: team before me, that they threw a slant and the

840
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: corner jumped the slant and picked it off, you know,

841
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 1: And I remember that watching tape. So I went into

842
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 1: the game. We call the slant, and I dropped back

843
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: to throw the slant and I get on my back

844
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 1: foot and I hesitate. I'm going, okay, is he gonna

845
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 1: jump this one? And he didn't jump it, and I

846
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: missed the slant because I was late because I watched

847
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 1: the tape and I go, well, he did this last time,

848
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: I better be leary. And so I became a guy

849
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 1: that I watched tape. I watched enough tape, but I

850
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: watched tape to get a sense of what the scheme was.

851
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 1: But I never wanted to, you know, base anything I

852
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: was going. You know, I wanted to trust my eyes.

853
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: So every time I got into a game, it was

854
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 1: never why I saw him do this on tape, or

855
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 1: I expect him to do this. I was a guy

856
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: that wanted to react and see and trust what I

857
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: saw and and be able to anticipate off of that.

858
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 1: So I became a guy if you're talking about how

859
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 1: much tape did you watch? I would probably be a

860
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: guy that said I didn't watch that much tape. You know. Now,

861
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,399
Speaker 1: again it's all relative. If I watched enough to get

862
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: what I needed. But you know, if you ask a

863
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,839
Speaker 1: guy that everybody's gonna say, well, I watch a lot

864
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 1: of tape, Well, okay, what exactly does that mean? What

865
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 1: do you watch for? And you know, another to go.

866
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 1: The next step is I worked with Brock Oswald and

867
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: we would come in and watch tape, and we would

868
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,720
Speaker 1: watch tape and you know, we talk about it whatever,

869
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, Brocks going up on

870
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: the board and he goes, well, here, I might do this,

871
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: and I might remike it, and I might change the

872
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: protection and go over here, and then I or I

873
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 1: may go and I'm just like rock quit trying to

874
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 1: be Peyton Manning. You know that he got so caught

875
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:24,240
Speaker 1: up in the process that he couldn't just go play

876
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 1: because he was overthinking everything and it didn't play to

877
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: his strength. So he was watching too much tape for

878
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 1: what he was as a player, and it handcuffed him,

879
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: uh to be the player that he was. And so

880
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:40,760
Speaker 1: again I think it's fascinating because you have to figure

881
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 1: out who the player is and as you said, what

882
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 1: are your strengths And with those strengths, what do you

883
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: do on a weekly basis to allow you to be

884
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 1: successful on the field, Because you know, what somebody does

885
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 1: might be completely different than what I do. But it

886
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 1: was based on me knowing what I needed to do.

887
00:41:58,360 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 1: You know, other guys might not be as good to

888
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: throw words as I was, So they gotta go out

889
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 1: there and they gotta work, and they gotta throw more

890
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,800
Speaker 1: routes than I did in the off season. Mine was

891
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: more making sure that my feet were better and I

892
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: had a better feel in the pocket and had that

893
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 1: pocket awareness, you know, that spatial awareness. So I think

894
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 1: they're great questions. And you know, maybe the biggest one

895
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: is tell me who you are as a quarterback and

896
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 1: how that relates to how you have to prepare. That

897
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 1: may be different than somebody else, because knowing who you

898
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 1: are as a player, I think it's three fourths of

899
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,320
Speaker 1: the battle and knowing how to go through the process.

900
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: That's fantastic. Awesome, man, it's fun guys anytime me. I

901
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: love talking ball alright, Black Look, can't think Kurt Warner

902
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 1: enough for forgiving us a time today to to really

903
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: dive in deep at the quarterback position. And I don't

904
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 1: even know where to start, Buck. I think we both

905
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 1: have pages full of notes of things we learned from

906
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 1: that conversation. Yeah, learned a ton from the Hall of Famer.

907
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: I think his his points on throwing with anticipation resident

908
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 1: because so much of what we talked about in the

909
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: run up to the draft and when we're evaluating quarterbacks, Hey,

910
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 1: can you throw a guy open? Can you anticipate if

911
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: you don't have outstanding armed town and can he throw

912
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: with touch, timing and anticipation. So to hear Kurt explain

913
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 1: it and explain what it really is. I think it

914
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,800
Speaker 1: should allow our listeners and everyone to kind of understand

915
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,720
Speaker 1: when I'm watching the game and I see a quarterback

916
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: left the ball go well before the receivers at his break,

917
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 1: that's to kind of anticipation that you expect from franchise quarterbacks.

918
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: I love the connection between basketball the way he'saw articularly

919
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 1: put it about just a spatial awareness. We've talked to

920
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 1: Clay Helton, the USC coach about that before. He's had

921
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,360
Speaker 1: a lot of success with point guards uh in high school,

922
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 1: Sam Donald being one of them and making that transition. Um.

923
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 1: I think that's a great correlation between the hardwood as

924
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,320
Speaker 1: well as the grass they're at the quarterback position. And

925
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: the other thing that I took away Buck is you know,

926
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 1: he talked about his advice he would give evaluators, and

927
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 1: he talked about the fact of the big moments, the

928
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:58,399
Speaker 1: importance of the big moments, And I feel like that's

929
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 1: a point that you've considered instantly. Harped on on the

930
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,359
Speaker 1: movie the Sticks podcast for years about how do they

931
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 1: play on the big stage that carries more weight. It

932
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: does carry way. And we've talked about we've talked about

933
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,919
Speaker 1: it uh offline. But when you think about like Sam

934
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 1: Donald and some of the other quarterbacks, but really with

935
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,919
Speaker 1: Sam Donald, UH those big moments, how do they play

936
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:21,280
Speaker 1: on the biggest and brightest stages. How do they perform

937
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,359
Speaker 1: when everyone knows that the ball is in their hands,

938
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:27,240
Speaker 1: the game is riding on the quarterback? Can the quarterback

939
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 1: make plays? And I'm a firm believer that, look, you're

940
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 1: creatures of habits. If you get used to making those

941
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 1: plays at the lower levels, you make those plays when

942
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 1: you're send to the upper levels. It's not a coincidence.

943
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 1: And I think when we look at Tom Brady, tom

944
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 1: Brady is so comfortable in those moments because he has

945
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: done it time and time again throughout his career. And

946
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: so you know when he gets the ball in a

947
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:52,359
Speaker 1: two minute situation in the playoffs, ozar that he's going

948
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 1: to find a way to get the team into the

949
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 1: end zone. He's gonna make the right play, He's going

950
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 1: to be the catalyst to a win. I just believe

951
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 1: you have to see how guys before women to big

952
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 1: stage because Ultimately, that's what they're gonna do in the

953
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 1: big stage when they have the opportunity in the league. Absolutely,

954
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:09,320
Speaker 1: I I was really again just learning throughout this whole process.

955
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: What I love about this prototype series is we're learning,

956
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 1: hopefully along with the listeners here as we go along

957
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 1: and still to come. We're gonna talk to to Bucky,

958
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: one of your former coaches there at Mike Holmgren, who

959
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 1: knows a QB position as well as anyone. But up

960
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 1: next it's a quarterback car. David Carr was the first

961
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 1: overall pick and he owns a record. I don't know

962
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: if many people know this. You're gonna learn this from

963
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 1: this conversation. He owns an NFL record that I believe

964
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 1: will never be broken. Dave, first of all, thank you

965
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 1: so much for taking some time with us today. I

966
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 1: guess I want to go back to UH, to your

967
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:44,879
Speaker 1: process leading up into the draft, and when we're looking

968
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: at it from an evaluator standpoint, let's flip it and

969
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 1: look at it from a player's standpoint. What did you

970
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: feel like, maybe going into your final year there at

971
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 1: Fresno State, that you need to show in order to

972
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 1: prove that you're worthy of being a first overall pick

973
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,280
Speaker 1: or even a first round pick. Well, it's interesting because

974
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 1: I think that what I was trying to show and

975
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: what they actually wanted to see are probably two different things.

976
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 1: You know, like when you're when you're a college kid,

977
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 1: you you feel like it's all about the physical. It's

978
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: all about how hard I can throw the ball, how

979
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 1: much can I lift? How fast can I run? And

980
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 1: you get caught up in that because that's what you

981
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 1: that's what you are naturally just thrown into after your

982
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 1: last game is okay, we gotta get ready to run

983
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 1: fast in a straight line and it Who cares? Did

984
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 1: you watch Tom Brady run? No one cares how fast

985
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: he is? So and I didn't. I didn't, like, I

986
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 1: didn't really learn what was necessary until several you know, really,

987
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,320
Speaker 1: I mean several months later, I'm in the NFL. I

988
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 1: figure out, Okay, this, it doesn't really matter what my

989
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: forty was today. Did I make the right decisions right?

990
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: Did I throw the ball where I was supposed to

991
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 1: accurately on time? So I think that's the dilemma that

992
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 1: they all have to kind of struggle with. And I

993
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:52,479
Speaker 1: remember training with Derek before his um before the draft,

994
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 1: with him before all his workouts, and I'm like, this

995
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 1: stuff is all great. And we had a trainer, we

996
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 1: had one of my good buddies. It was training and

997
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 1: running and going through all the drills. But I was like,

998
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 1: I gotta get you ready to play a football game,

999
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 1: like a real NFL football game. So it's it's what

1000
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 1: do you know about the offense? What what can you

1001
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 1: decipher from what they're showing you, And how can you

1002
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,439
Speaker 1: make the appropriate decisions and throw the ball accurately on time?

1003
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 1: And so in practice we would push not just completions,

1004
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:20,320
Speaker 1: but you know, we're just out there with me and

1005
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 1: him and some receivers throw it as early as you

1006
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 1: possibly can, like really push the envelope with timing right,

1007
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: and and that's gonna help you. I used to get

1008
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 1: caught up in I'll just wait a little bit longer

1009
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,919
Speaker 1: and throw it harder. Right. It's like it doesn't help

1010
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 1: you know, when you're facing Pro Bowl corners. That's a

1011
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 1: curse of a strong arm, it really is. And and

1012
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:38,839
Speaker 1: you see guys all around the league now they still

1013
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 1: do it. Like Josh Allen. I don't know if he'll

1014
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: ever have to worry about anticipation. He just wait till

1015
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:46,359
Speaker 1: see yeah fired. So I mean it's uh, yeah, it's

1016
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:48,800
Speaker 1: it's just it's an ongoing process. Fun, you know. But

1017
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 1: but in going through that and then making your way

1018
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 1: to your rookie season, you were a guy that was

1019
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 1: a starter from the jump. How difficult and challenging is

1020
00:47:57,840 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 1: it to go from playing in the college game to

1021
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,839
Speaker 1: starting right away in the National Football League. It's incredibly hard,

1022
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: you know, they they're they've done a better job. I

1023
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: think for the most part in college and college in

1024
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 1: the NFL are kind of the lines are being blurred

1025
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 1: now as far as the offensive system. So I remember

1026
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 1: when I came out, we ran kind of I guess

1027
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:16,839
Speaker 1: you would call a West Coast offense, but I didn't.

1028
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 1: All I really knew was the defenses wearing a different

1029
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: color shirt. Like, I didn't really know anything else. I

1030
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 1: knew where my progression was. I knew what coverages were,

1031
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: but I didn't know really what routes beat certain leverages

1032
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: and why guys play certain techniques on on the defensive

1033
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 1: side of the ball. Was I what's hot? Like, Okay,

1034
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 1: they brought two guys my bat camp block both of them. Well,

1035
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:37,800
Speaker 1: it was all built in, you know, just by time

1036
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 1: and or we'll go seven man protection and pick all

1037
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 1: that up. But when you show up in the NFL.

1038
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 1: So I went from that to uh kind of a

1039
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 1: run and shoot style offense with Chris Palmer, kind of

1040
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 1: like Kelvin Kevin Gilbride when they ran in New York.

1041
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 1: So something very similar to that, where I was in

1042
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:55,839
Speaker 1: charge of all the protections and man, you could tell

1043
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 1: seventy six sacks later. We didn't know what we were doing.

1044
00:48:58,160 --> 00:48:59,359
Speaker 1: Like I'm trying to sit up there with the line

1045
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,319
Speaker 1: scrimmach trying to decipher where Kansas City is coming from,

1046
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 1: and they got four guys over here and five guys

1047
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 1: over here, and then six come from this side, and

1048
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 1: then like I had no idea what was going on.

1049
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 1: So that was that was the biggest thing, is just

1050
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 1: understanding what I was looking at, where to go at

1051
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 1: the ball, and trying to make it all kind of happen.

1052
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 1: So now I think that they've done a better job.

1053
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 1: You know, where there are more types of systems like

1054
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 1: where you can just kind of walk in and and

1055
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 1: it's kind of it's made. It's it's ready made, it's

1056
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 1: ready for the quarterback to go in there. Ripped through

1057
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 1: his progressions, their up tempo. You know, there's some things

1058
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 1: I kind of wish I played ten years ago, or

1059
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 1: not ten years ago, but ten years later, so I

1060
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 1: could kind of be involved in some of that zone

1061
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:36,320
Speaker 1: read stuff. I mean that that's fun. R po is

1062
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 1: like I always like to do that stuff, but I

1063
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 1: was kind of a little bit before that. I would

1064
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 1: like to know. Just you get a chance in your

1065
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 1: new role here with us at the NFL MEDA, you

1066
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 1: get a chance to watch some of these college kids

1067
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 1: and keeping up with the college game, um and talking

1068
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 1: a lot of these guys as they're coming through the

1069
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 1: draft process. Most of these college offenses right now, the

1070
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 1: way it's structured is it's based off whether they see

1071
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:57,439
Speaker 1: a two high safety look or single high safety look,

1072
00:49:57,719 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 1: and depending on which one they get, it closes how

1073
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 1: the field. They're only working on half the field. We

1074
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 1: we don't see guys really progress through the entire field.

1075
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 1: How long does it take in your and your experience

1076
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 1: to be able to open up an entire field and

1077
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:12,839
Speaker 1: to be able to read left to right and get

1078
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 1: to number three maybe even further in the progression. I

1079
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:16,879
Speaker 1: don't think I felt comfortable doing that until like year

1080
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,320
Speaker 1: three or four. Um, now that I think about it,

1081
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 1: we we even did some of that stuff early on

1082
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:24,319
Speaker 1: where we tried to go full field read. I really

1083
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 1: couldn't handle it when I was in first in Houston.

1084
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 1: It was just so much to look at first of all,

1085
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 1: just trying to figure out what coverage they were in.

1086
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 1: You know, so like you say, middle open, middle clothes,

1087
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:36,319
Speaker 1: like two safeties, one safety, but middle open. It can

1088
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 1: be a world of different coverages, right, middle clothes. Maybe

1089
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 1: it narrows it down a little bit more. Um. But yeah,

1090
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 1: So we would sit on the sideline. I remember saying, well,

1091
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 1: is this cover two? Is cover four is a two

1092
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:47,839
Speaker 1: man's zone like this guy kind of And we only

1093
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 1: had two pictures. We have the pre snap picture and

1094
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 1: in the middle to play picture, I'm like I don't know,

1095
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 1: Like I don't know what he's playing, you know. So

1096
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 1: my coaches screaming it's cover four, and I'm like, no,

1097
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 1: I don't believe you. So it was just, uh, that

1098
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 1: was that's different cool, right, that part is hard. And

1099
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: so if you can go to where you know and

1100
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 1: you start off with either just true progression where you're

1101
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 1: just going straight across the board, right to left or

1102
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 1: left or right or however you read it. That's good

1103
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:14,319
Speaker 1: for young guys, but it requires more of the play

1104
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 1: caller to design, you know, shifts and motions and putting

1105
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 1: guys into Yeah, he's got to kind of create for

1106
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 1: the quarterback. Or you can just line up and say okay,

1107
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:24,839
Speaker 1: middle of middle clothes and that'll get you so far.

1108
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 1: I mean, you can you can run an offense that way. Um,

1109
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 1: when you start getting into the disguises and guys moving late.

1110
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 1: I remember we played Minnesota and Minnesota would just sit

1111
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 1: in a too high shell until the snap and they

1112
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 1: would just subtly move. And then even like Baltimore UM

1113
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:42,399
Speaker 1: with Ed Reid, ed Reid would sit and like cover four.

1114
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:45,240
Speaker 1: I mean you know, I mean these guys were fantastic

1115
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 1: at it. And he would kind of give you the

1116
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 1: illusion hid drop back like he's into, but he's not

1117
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 1: really into. He just wants you to think that he's

1118
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 1: exactly he wants to think that you're into. So you

1119
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 1: throw a slant and hit him in the chest and

1120
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 1: you're like, how did that happen? You know, So there's

1121
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 1: that there's yeah, there's some subtleties, and it's if you

1122
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 1: ask a quarterback to look at the defense and really

1123
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 1: decipher what's going on, you better make sure he's got

1124
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 1: a good feel for it. Otherwise it's gonna be some

1125
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 1: decision you point to, some you point out something that

1126
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 1: I believe it's been the biggest thing in terms of

1127
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 1: helping these young quarterbacks to get jump started. Quarterback coaches

1128
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:18,760
Speaker 1: offensive coordinators are now more than ever willing to adapt

1129
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:22,760
Speaker 1: and kind of tweak their system to make the quarterback comfortable.

1130
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 1: If you had an opportunity to play in today's game,

1131
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 1: how big of an advantage is to have that kind

1132
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: of coaching where then I asked you to learn this

1133
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 1: complex system. They're basically taking your college playbook and kind

1134
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 1: of modern and noizing it to get it ready for

1135
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 1: the NFL. Well, it was great. I mean I remember

1136
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:40,919
Speaker 1: even when I went into Houston there there were still

1137
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 1: conversations with Chris and with Dom and Okay, what do

1138
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 1: you like, what do you feel comfortable with? And we

1139
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 1: would watch my film, would pull a couple of plays

1140
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 1: that we ran and they trying to implement them, but

1141
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 1: it didn't really fit in what they did, you know,

1142
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:52,399
Speaker 1: so it was kind of like it did it didn't

1143
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 1: mesh right, So we did a little bit of that.

1144
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:55,839
Speaker 1: We were really good quick game stuff like I could

1145
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 1: get the bottle in my hands pretty good because I

1146
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 1: did a lot of that and freends now, but anytime

1147
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 1: we started going drop back and now we're making wide

1148
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 1: receivers make decisions fifteen yards down the field on whether

1149
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 1: they're gonna break into the post, turned back out and

1150
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 1: pivot to them like that, stuff started getting really complicated.

1151
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 1: But yeah, the more you can, like, I love when

1152
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 1: when coaches go out and like so for instance in Arizona,

1153
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 1: they're reaching out to the Oklahoma staff right in Cleveland,

1154
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 1: all right, what does Baker do? Well, you go back

1155
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 1: and you talk to their coaches and you get it.

1156
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 1: It just makes you feel comfortable. I mean right. They

1157
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 1: even named a couple of plays the same um that

1158
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 1: I ran it in Fresno. So when I was in

1159
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 1: the huddle, i'd I'd call it the same and I

1160
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 1: feel comfortable run I'd run it a thousand times. So

1161
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 1: that helped that stuff helping. The more you can do that,

1162
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 1: the better, I mean. And now, because the offenses in

1163
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 1: college and the NFL are are so similar, you can

1164
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 1: do a lot more of that. So it makes these

1165
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 1: young guys able to be able to go out there

1166
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 1: on the field earlier and have success. I ask you

1167
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 1: about this one day the you know, when we're going

1168
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 1: through the evaluation process. I have my three kind of

1169
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 1: you have your non negotiables, and and these are the

1170
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:56,880
Speaker 1: three that I look for. And then I've kind of

1171
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 1: added a fourth and fifth as a qualifier here. I

1172
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 1: wanted to see if you can fill in a gap

1173
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 1: for me here in terms of what it would take

1174
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 1: to be successful the next level. I start with the

1175
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:09,800
Speaker 1: big three from your accuracy, uh, decision making, em poise,

1176
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 1: Like you got to have those three things. If you

1177
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 1: have accuracy, decision making, em poise, that's the foundation. And

1178
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 1: then I talk about having enough arm, like I don't

1179
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: need to have huge arm. You gotta have enough. I mean,

1180
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 1: you can't you have a little pie shoot out there.

1181
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:23,840
Speaker 1: You gotta be able to be able to fit balls

1182
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 1: and windows. So enough arm. And then I also say

1183
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:29,319
Speaker 1: enough athleticism. I don't need you to be a world

1184
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 1: class athlete. But just like Tom, Tom has enough athletic

1185
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 1: ability to be able to sidestep, slide and make a

1186
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 1: free guy miss at least every now and then I

1187
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:39,360
Speaker 1: don't need somebody where every time you get a free rusher,

1188
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 1: you're dead. Um, So those are the five areas that

1189
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:43,919
Speaker 1: I look at. Uh A, what do you think about

1190
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 1: those five? And then be where some gaps? Well, I

1191
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 1: actually think it's really good. I was. I was thinking

1192
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 1: about that when I was coming in here. I know

1193
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:51,799
Speaker 1: I was gonna do you guys podcast. We're gonna talk

1194
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 1: about some quarterback stuff. And interestingly enough, your first three

1195
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 1: are very similar to what I've always kind of believed that.

1196
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 1: Even when I got to New York, we were able

1197
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:01,360
Speaker 1: to win a super both eli uh. Mike Sullivan was

1198
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator. The night before we played the Patriots,

1199
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 1: he handed us our our packet, and it was something

1200
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 1: he always talked about. But on the front page of

1201
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 1: it was obviously this's your Bowl logo and all this stuff,

1202
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 1: but it said leadership decision making an accuracy. And so

1203
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 1: I guess leadership and poise could be kind of similar.

1204
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 1: And that's that kind of can go either way. But

1205
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 1: for me, Um, the leadership thing can be how you prepare,

1206
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 1: how you take ownership of your offense, all sorts of

1207
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 1: intangible things right, and and that kind of encompasses the

1208
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:29,400
Speaker 1: poise to, like, you can't just be out there and

1209
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 1: you're the leader and you're losing your mind in clutch

1210
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:35,320
Speaker 1: situations or making bad decisions like I see experienced quarterbacks

1211
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 1: all the time, and Tom Coffin was huge on decision

1212
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 1: making or sorry on on just knowing situations, and they

1213
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:44,239
Speaker 1: make I mean ten year vets just not knowing the clock,

1214
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 1: not knowing when to burn a time out, not letting

1215
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:47,879
Speaker 1: the I mean, it's just crazy stuff that I see

1216
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 1: all the time that still happens in today's game. So

1217
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:52,279
Speaker 1: those first three are actually really good. The decision making,

1218
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:56,440
Speaker 1: an accuracy, I think that's that's not negotiable. That's acent

1219
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 1: you have to make the right decisions. You have to

1220
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:00,160
Speaker 1: know where to throw the football. You got a no

1221
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 1: win to throw the football. And then you gotta be accurate,

1222
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:03,759
Speaker 1: like you can throw it as hard as you want

1223
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 1: if it hits the cheerleaders on the sidelines say who cares, right,

1224
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 1: I mean, you gotta be able to put it where

1225
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 1: you want to put it. And then those other two

1226
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 1: as far as having enough arm and enough athleticism, Tom

1227
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 1: Brady is as good as I've ever seen it. Moving

1228
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 1: in the pocket subtly like finding a way to remain

1229
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 1: a passer and keep his eyes down the field. You

1230
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:20,800
Speaker 1: can have a free I've seen free runners of that

1231
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 1: guy a lot, and he just makes a miss and

1232
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 1: makes it throw. So I mean, that's enough athleticism for me.

1233
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 1: And then having enough arm. That's always the nice thing

1234
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 1: because you know, when I talked to different quarterbacks and

1235
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 1: even when I was playing, or I talked to Derek,

1236
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 1: it's nice to have that cannon in your back pocket.

1237
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 1: But don't feel like you have to utilize it, right

1238
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 1: if that's ever your strength and you feel like I'm

1239
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 1: just gonna lean on that, unless you're throwing at a

1240
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 1: hundred yards and you're Josh Allen or your Pat Mahomes

1241
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 1: and you can kind of rely on that the majority

1242
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 1: of the time. Okay, I get that, But if it's

1243
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 1: not that, um, you gotta you gotta be smart. You

1244
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 1: gotta know where you're throwing the football. It's nice to

1245
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 1: have that extra juice when you need it. Maybe you're

1246
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 1: a little late or you see something a little late.

1247
00:56:57,800 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 1: You gotta put a little extra fire on it, throw

1248
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:01,239
Speaker 1: it down low, or you know, put it a hundred

1249
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 1: yards down the field for you know somebody. So that.

1250
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 1: That's pretty good man, A good job. That good job

1251
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 1: points points for dj UM. So you've been to check,

1252
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:13,839
Speaker 1: you've been like, look, you were super athletic, probably more

1253
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 1: athletic than people would give you credit for. Where you

1254
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 1: talked about prepping and getting ready to run fast when

1255
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 1: you're getting ready for the pre draft. However, we're looking

1256
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 1: at all these dual three quarterbacks that are making their

1257
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 1: way into the league. And so if you were a

1258
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 1: team building and you had to take on one of

1259
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:30,440
Speaker 1: these dual three quarterbacks, how do you work with them?

1260
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 1: What would you tell him? What does a dual thread

1261
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 1: quarterback need to be able to do to be a

1262
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback in this league? Well? I think that you

1263
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 1: know that that kind of talks into the uh all

1264
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 1: the stuff that we just talked about. I think you

1265
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 1: can't get away from that stuff. That stuff is what

1266
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 1: wins championships. Um. But if you have the extra athletic

1267
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 1: athletic ability, you have the extra arm talent kind of

1268
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 1: like Patrick Mahomes, that's where you win m v P

1269
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 1: and throw fifty touchdowns, but he has all other stuff

1270
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 1: like and and he's done a good job of kind

1271
00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:00,479
Speaker 1: of you have so much talent there, and he's he's

1272
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 1: not really tried to suffocate him. He's not saying, Okay,

1273
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 1: you gotta do this, this and this, you gotta really

1274
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 1: rein in all this stuff. He's kind of let him

1275
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 1: be free. So if you have a guy like that,

1276
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 1: you can kind of let him go a little bit um,

1277
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 1: let him make some plays, let him be creative. I

1278
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 1: remember having a conversation with Gary Kubiak about this same thing,

1279
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 1: and we were like three or four games into my

1280
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 1: first year with him, and he set me down. He's like,

1281
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 1: I think I'm holding you back a little bit. I

1282
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 1: think we're trying to become too robotic, Like we need

1283
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 1: to be a little more free to make some plays,

1284
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 1: you know. And I'd always really before that kind of

1285
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 1: ran around, made a couple of plays, and that's when

1286
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 1: you looked at it. That was a lot of our offense.

1287
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 1: We were able to be successful with doing things like that.

1288
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 1: So you don't want to ever take that away from

1289
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 1: a guy that's talented and athletic, like the Kyler Murray

1290
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, Like, let them be who they are, let

1291
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 1: them still be you know, explosive, dynamic players, but give

1292
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 1: him a structure and an offense with some rules and

1293
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 1: some timing aspects to where they know what the capabilities

1294
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 1: are inside the offense, but they can always kind of

1295
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 1: go to that next that next level when they have to.

1296
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 1: We're talking scouting about you know you got you want

1297
00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 1: to have guys who are passionate, energetic, guys that love

1298
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 1: what they're doing, and at that quarterback position. I mean,

1299
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 1: you'd be a great person to ask this question, is

1300
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 1: is just the overall commitment. I think people on the outside,

1301
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 1: I think they have an idea of what goes into

1302
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 1: getting yourself ready to play on a Sunday, and I

1303
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 1: believe they have no idea of all the work entailed.

1304
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:18,439
Speaker 1: And so when we talk to these kids when they're

1305
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:20,440
Speaker 1: coming to the draft process and we're trying to find out,

1306
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 1: do you love it? Are you passionate about it? Because

1307
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 1: I mean, tell me, have you ever been in about

1308
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 1: anybody that's been successful that position that doesn't have a

1309
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 1: love and a passion to put in the type of

1310
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:31,439
Speaker 1: work you have to put. No, I really haven't. Actually

1311
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 1: I've seen the opposite. I've seen guys that don't make

1312
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 1: it two years without without that you have to be

1313
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:37,920
Speaker 1: able to you have to be able to want to grind,

1314
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 1: and it has to be fun. It has to be

1315
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 1: the thing that you think about at three o'clock in

1316
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 1: the morning, like, Okay, how am I gonna how are

1317
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 1: we gonna defeat this coverage? Like the defense gave me

1318
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 1: a fit yesterday and no t a s there. How

1319
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 1: am I going to defeat that? So you go into

1320
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 1: the lab, you go back into the you know, into

1321
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 1: into the film room, and you kind of just start

1322
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 1: breaking it down because you love doing it. I mean,

1323
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 1: that's that's it. I mean Tom tom Coffin, when I

1324
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 1: first walked to New York, first thing he said to me.

1325
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:00,160
Speaker 1: We sat down in his office, good to see. I know,

1326
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 1: I've known him for for a long time, and he goes,

1327
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:03,920
Speaker 1: how much does it mean to you? Do you love it? Right?

1328
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 1: And that was year seven. At that point, you know,

1329
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I wouldn't be here. I mean it's

1330
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 1: too hard. I have a family at home. Is way

1331
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:11,919
Speaker 1: too difficult. But you know, I look at my brother

1332
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 1: and he's on we're on vacation and he's waking up

1333
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:15,400
Speaker 1: at five o'clock in the morning to get a little

1334
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 1: film study and workout because that's what he loves to do.

1335
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 1: Then his kids wake up and then then it's all

1336
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 1: it's all family time. But yeah, you watch Tom Brady

1337
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:24,959
Speaker 1: and full pads on the beach somewhere where he doesn't

1338
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 1: have to be in full pads on the beach somewhere,

1339
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 1: the helmet on, running sprints, but he's doing that because

1340
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 1: it means a lot to him and it's important to him,

1341
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 1: and that's the only way you're going to be successful,

1342
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 1: especially in this in this league, especially at that position.

1343
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 1: It's just you've got defensive coordinators that that's all they

1344
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 1: do is sit up and try and figure out how

1345
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 1: they're going to stop you. They do that literally all

1346
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:44,080
Speaker 1: they have no lives, They sleep in the office. They

1347
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:45,760
Speaker 1: just want to see how they can defeat Tom Brady,

1348
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:47,680
Speaker 1: how they going to make sure Antonio Brown isn't running

1349
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:49,080
Speaker 1: over the top of and when they play the Raiders,

1350
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:50,920
Speaker 1: like that's all they think about. So you have to

1351
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 1: kind of match that intensity and match that focus. David

1352
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 1: one one trade that stands out to me that we

1353
01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:59,120
Speaker 1: haven't talked about, but I believe it's essential to being

1354
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 1: a guy that that only is the franchise quarterback, but

1355
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:04,920
Speaker 1: wins at the highest level. Confidence Uh, the best quarterbacks

1356
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 1: that we've ever been around have kind of an unwavering

1357
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:10,439
Speaker 1: belief in theirselfs and the ability to get it done.

1358
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:13,040
Speaker 1: When you're a young quarterback and you've been thrown out

1359
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 1: there to the wolves and you're struggling, how hard is

1360
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 1: it to maintain that confidence so it doesn't kind of

1361
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:21,200
Speaker 1: cave in on you and you're able to kind of

1362
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 1: see it on the other side, It's extremely difficult because

1363
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:26,560
Speaker 1: this is the most humility humbling league that there is

1364
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 1: in all of sports. I mean, you think that you've

1365
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 1: got to figure it out. All these guys think that

1366
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 1: they everybody thinks they can play quarterback in the NFL,

1367
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:33,600
Speaker 1: especially at least. I talked to a fourteen year old

1368
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:35,560
Speaker 1: kid at this USB seven on seven of the day,

1369
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:37,520
Speaker 1: can sling it? Throws at a hundred yards? You think

1370
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:39,960
Speaker 1: he's ready, He thinks he's ready, start talking about coverage.

1371
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:43,320
Speaker 1: Kid has no clue, Like, all right, man, I'll see

1372
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:44,960
Speaker 1: in a couple of years, so you'll love it. It's

1373
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 1: a it's a blast, but yeah, there it's it's a

1374
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:50,400
Speaker 1: very humbling league and it just demands I remember sitting

1375
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:52,959
Speaker 1: there my first year in Houston and I had given

1376
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 1: absolutely everything that I had physically mentally, I was exhausted.

1377
01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 1: Were like week seven or eight, and I'm like, I

1378
01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:00,440
Speaker 1: got I have. I don't know what a I can

1379
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:03,640
Speaker 1: do right, and we still weren't winning football games. It's

1380
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:06,480
Speaker 1: extremely difficult. I've played every sport there is. I went

1381
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:08,240
Speaker 1: snowboarding with my wife. First time. I went right down

1382
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 1: the hill. She's like, Oh, you're just a great athlete.

1383
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, this is easy compared to what my

1384
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:13,960
Speaker 1: normal job is. Like, this is the hardest thing that

1385
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 1: you're ever going to try to do. Even guys that

1386
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 1: are doing absolutely everything they can, you still have the

1387
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:20,200
Speaker 1: pieces around you. Gotta have it all work together. You

1388
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:22,280
Speaker 1: gotta have the right head coach. I mean, it's just

1389
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 1: extremely difficult, but man, it's it's a blast. That's how

1390
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:27,760
Speaker 1: we that's why we love it. Well, you've given us

1391
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:29,280
Speaker 1: so much your time. We do appreciate it. I just

1392
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:31,960
Speaker 1: want to compliment you on one thing here, because as

1393
01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:33,760
Speaker 1: I go through it and look through all the notes

1394
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:37,240
Speaker 1: and all your numbers, a seventy six sacks, okay, whatever,

1395
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 1: seventy and when I don't know how you're still standing

1396
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:44,400
Speaker 1: urom twelve of your own fumbles broke right. Twelve fumbles.

1397
01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 1: That's incredible. Actually NFL record, I don't want to bring

1398
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:50,680
Speaker 1: that up, but I mean recoveries, that's that's what I do.

1399
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:53,320
Speaker 1: So how do you even know where the ball is

1400
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:57,040
Speaker 1: you get off? You ever seen catchers when they dig

1401
01:02:57,120 --> 01:02:59,520
Speaker 1: one out of the dirt and they're like looking around panics.

1402
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 1: I always it was, Yeah, I knew where that ball was.

1403
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:05,680
Speaker 1: Feel it. So Albert Haynesworth one time I took the

1404
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:07,280
Speaker 1: snap and I went to pull away from center and

1405
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:09,720
Speaker 1: he grabbed my left wrist like literally beat the sun,

1406
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 1: and so the ball drops out and it's like underneath

1407
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 1: me and I literally sit down on top of it.

1408
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, perfect second down. That is fantastic. Yeah, when

1409
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:23,520
Speaker 1: that drill, I imagine in practice when they want to

1410
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:25,040
Speaker 1: do the cover up drills where they roll the ball

1411
01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:27,200
Speaker 1: and you got to get in the fetal positions on

1412
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:29,800
Speaker 1: you're like, dude, I've got enough practice, Like NFL record

1413
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:37,160
Speaker 1: holder right here, bro let me just shake how this? Uh? Alright?

1414
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:40,560
Speaker 1: But great to hear from from David obviously, Um, you're

1415
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:43,400
Speaker 1: the first overall pick you've gone through the process. He's

1416
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:46,800
Speaker 1: a great person to talk to, and really somebody put

1417
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:50,040
Speaker 1: in an impossible situation there with an expansion franchise with

1418
01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:53,000
Speaker 1: the Houston Texans. But my big takeaway, Buck is the

1419
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:56,240
Speaker 1: challenge we face it scouts face, is is how do

1420
01:03:56,320 --> 01:03:58,360
Speaker 1: you scout the intangibles? Man? That is uh, that's a

1421
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:01,760
Speaker 1: tough one. You know, it's really tough because you don't

1422
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:04,560
Speaker 1: have an opportunity to really get to know a quarterback

1423
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:07,400
Speaker 1: the way that you would want to, knowing how big

1424
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:09,680
Speaker 1: his role is when it comes to the fate of

1425
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:12,120
Speaker 1: the franchise, but you'd like to see him as much

1426
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:14,080
Speaker 1: as you can. We've always talked about this the number

1427
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:16,160
Speaker 1: one ruling scouting when it comes to quarterback, you have

1428
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:18,160
Speaker 1: to see him live. And a lot of people think

1429
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:19,880
Speaker 1: that you need to go see him live to see

1430
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:23,480
Speaker 1: their arm on display to get a real life view

1431
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:26,160
Speaker 1: of how how they spend it. But I like to

1432
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:28,040
Speaker 1: go to games live because I want to stand on

1433
01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:30,280
Speaker 1: the sideline and I want to see how they interact

1434
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:33,160
Speaker 1: with their teammates. What are they like when they have

1435
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:36,600
Speaker 1: um bad plays go against him? How are they when

1436
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:39,120
Speaker 1: one of the teammates may drop a pass or offensive

1437
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:41,640
Speaker 1: lineman blows a block. Do they encourage them? How do

1438
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:43,960
Speaker 1: they respond to that. I also want to see what

1439
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:47,880
Speaker 1: are the interactions like with the coaches, with the coordinator.

1440
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:50,120
Speaker 1: How often are they having a dialogue, especially if the

1441
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:52,920
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator is on the field. I am trying to

1442
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:56,240
Speaker 1: get a better sense of the player by being around him,

1443
01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:58,920
Speaker 1: get a sense of how he manages and controls the

1444
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:01,640
Speaker 1: team and his teammates more so than anything that he

1445
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:03,440
Speaker 1: does on the field. I want to see that. But

1446
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:07,160
Speaker 1: really I am trying to determine an assess the intangible

1447
01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:09,000
Speaker 1: qualities that he's going to bring to the team when

1448
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 1: we select him. Let me give you your two examples here.

1449
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:14,400
Speaker 1: And I've mentioned the J. P. Lassman one before. I

1450
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:17,440
Speaker 1: remember going to watch him play against Navy, and uh,

1451
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:18,920
Speaker 1: this is somebody that ended up going in the first

1452
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:21,600
Speaker 1: round of the Buffalo Bills. But um, and you know,

1453
01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:24,160
Speaker 1: character wise, everything was fine there. It was just I

1454
01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:25,680
Speaker 1: wanted to go to a live game to see how

1455
01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:27,880
Speaker 1: he interact with his teammates, and uh, there was no

1456
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:30,960
Speaker 1: virtually no interaction there. I mean, Waldy Moore was running

1457
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:32,960
Speaker 1: back on that team. Uh, it was a good player,

1458
01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:36,280
Speaker 1: uh draft pick there for the Pittsburgh Steelers. But going

1459
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:38,600
Speaker 1: to that live game and and maybe I caught him

1460
01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:40,200
Speaker 1: on a bad day. I don't know, but all I

1461
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:42,760
Speaker 1: know is that turned me off and I was out.

1462
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:44,320
Speaker 1: I bailed on him. I I didn't have to have

1463
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:46,080
Speaker 1: a huge grade on him begin with, but he had

1464
01:05:46,120 --> 01:05:48,720
Speaker 1: a really low grade for me going through that process.

1465
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:51,160
Speaker 1: And I'll give you more recent example. Um, I haven't

1466
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:53,880
Speaker 1: mentioned this one before, but I was going to watch

1467
01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:56,360
Speaker 1: Paxton Lynch in his bowl game. I believe we were

1468
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:59,480
Speaker 1: playing Auburn Um, which they were outmatched that there in Memphis.

1469
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:01,480
Speaker 1: But I wanted to see, Okay, as as you're you know,

1470
01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:03,960
Speaker 1: taking a beating there, you're not you're not playing great,

1471
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:06,880
Speaker 1: the team's not doing well. Are you rallying your teammates?

1472
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 1: I went down, Uh it was it was in Uh

1473
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:11,240
Speaker 1: it was like a chain link fence down there on

1474
01:06:11,240 --> 01:06:13,040
Speaker 1: the sideline. So I walked down there. I'm not wearing

1475
01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:15,320
Speaker 1: any you know, NFL network here, nobody knows who I am.

1476
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:17,960
Speaker 1: So I just mirrored him along the sideline for the

1477
01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:21,840
Speaker 1: entire game. And again, I want to see, Okay, let's

1478
01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:23,880
Speaker 1: rally the troops. Kind of be that not in the rope?

1479
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:25,960
Speaker 1: Can you be somebody when things are sliding? Can you

1480
01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:28,160
Speaker 1: stop the slide? Can you try and get everybody going,

1481
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:30,800
Speaker 1: and there was just there was nothing. I wanted to

1482
01:06:30,840 --> 01:06:33,240
Speaker 1: see some interaction with different guys and you're trying to

1483
01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:35,840
Speaker 1: get everybody together and let's try and rally the troops.

1484
01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:38,800
Speaker 1: I didn't see any of it. Now, in hindsight, I

1485
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:40,880
Speaker 1: should have dropped him even further than I did. I

1486
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:43,360
Speaker 1: think I ended up having him somewhere in the twenties

1487
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:45,080
Speaker 1: or something like that. But there were a lot of

1488
01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:47,560
Speaker 1: people talking about him potentially being a you know, top five,

1489
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:50,920
Speaker 1: top ten pick um, and that impacted my grade. Going

1490
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:53,320
Speaker 1: to see him live impacted my grade. And that's what

1491
01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:56,200
Speaker 1: to speak to your point. It's important with these quarterbacks

1492
01:06:56,240 --> 01:06:58,120
Speaker 1: to get out there and see them, see them at

1493
01:06:58,120 --> 01:07:00,360
Speaker 1: a live game. Yeah, you have to him in a

1494
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:02,040
Speaker 1: live game. You have to get a feel for who

1495
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:05,360
Speaker 1: they are and how um they handle situations. And sometimes

1496
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:07,240
Speaker 1: you can't get that when you're watching tape or you're

1497
01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:09,400
Speaker 1: looking at them on TV. Uh. You want to be

1498
01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:10,960
Speaker 1: around and you want to get a feel for who

1499
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:13,280
Speaker 1: they are. And also sometimes when you talk to coaches,

1500
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:16,080
Speaker 1: coaches don't give you all of the information that you

1501
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:19,919
Speaker 1: need right away. But I think having that that firsthand look,

1502
01:07:20,120 --> 01:07:22,080
Speaker 1: being right there being able to see them, being able

1503
01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:24,000
Speaker 1: to put the binoculars on them, being able to stand

1504
01:07:24,080 --> 01:07:27,280
Speaker 1: beside them in the game, gives you a real sense

1505
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:29,040
Speaker 1: of who they are, because I don't think you can

1506
01:07:29,080 --> 01:07:32,120
Speaker 1: fake him when you're around somebody and they don't necessarily

1507
01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:35,160
Speaker 1: know that you're looking at them and really observing their

1508
01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:38,240
Speaker 1: their every reaction, no doubt. Well, that was a fun

1509
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:41,720
Speaker 1: conversation there with David Carr, and that leads us to

1510
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:45,120
Speaker 1: our our final conversation, our final guest of the episode,

1511
01:07:45,160 --> 01:07:48,680
Speaker 1: and Bucky somebody you know extremely well, gonna go down

1512
01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:51,120
Speaker 1: in history one of the greater coaches we've had in

1513
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:54,480
Speaker 1: the National Football League. Here's our conversation with Mike Holmbran.

1514
01:07:57,520 --> 01:08:03,240
Speaker 1: This is it after pensil party. You play in Green Bay.

1515
01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:07,480
Speaker 1: As important as it is to any other team and

1516
01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:13,680
Speaker 1: any other player, it means more, does you know, coach,

1517
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:16,439
Speaker 1: there is a lot of fascination with the quarterbacks, and

1518
01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:19,200
Speaker 1: you talked about a veteran quarterback jumping in, but let's

1519
01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:22,360
Speaker 1: talk about young quarterbacks in What are the I guess

1520
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:24,720
Speaker 1: two or three trades that you look for in young

1521
01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:28,280
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that would make up Mike Honegrin interested in developing

1522
01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:31,040
Speaker 1: that quarterback to eventually maybe be your starter. Well you

1523
01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:34,120
Speaker 1: know what it's and again I'm old, so it's uh,

1524
01:08:34,479 --> 01:08:36,519
Speaker 1: it's changed just a little bit in the scouting part

1525
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:39,080
Speaker 1: of any buck you were, you know, your excellent scout

1526
01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:43,320
Speaker 1: um that offenses in college now are are a little

1527
01:08:43,360 --> 01:08:46,680
Speaker 1: different than they were a few years ago. And so

1528
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:49,960
Speaker 1: you get young quarterbacks like Tyler Murray who is special,

1529
01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:54,480
Speaker 1: or Russell Wilson, or guys that aren't as the prototypical

1530
01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:58,160
Speaker 1: size for a quarterback, but they do amazing things on

1531
01:08:58,240 --> 01:09:00,200
Speaker 1: the field and if you want to run that type

1532
01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:04,519
Speaker 1: of offense that that uses his mobility, gets them out

1533
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:06,360
Speaker 1: of the pocket, those types of things so he can

1534
01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:09,400
Speaker 1: see then you go ahead and take that guy because

1535
01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:12,080
Speaker 1: they're special. But not everybody can do that. These guys

1536
01:09:12,120 --> 01:09:15,320
Speaker 1: are special, special players. So I always looked at one

1537
01:09:16,280 --> 01:09:17,960
Speaker 1: the first thing, he's got to throw the ball. He's

1538
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:20,040
Speaker 1: got to be able to complete pass his be accurate,

1539
01:09:20,320 --> 01:09:22,639
Speaker 1: and make all the throws. That's the first thing. Second

1540
01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:26,040
Speaker 1: thing was his movement doesn't have to be it doesn't

1541
01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:28,280
Speaker 1: have to be his running ability, but his movement in

1542
01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:31,639
Speaker 1: the pocket and the ability to avoid and then also

1543
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:35,280
Speaker 1: to get a first down if necessary, and third, and

1544
01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:37,679
Speaker 1: this may be more important, but it's tough to judge.

1545
01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:39,800
Speaker 1: It's just his mental toughness and how he's going to

1546
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:42,559
Speaker 1: deal with adversity, how he's going to be a leader

1547
01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:45,400
Speaker 1: with his team. All those types of things are a

1548
01:09:45,400 --> 01:09:48,320
Speaker 1: little more subjective. And that's what those mini camps you're

1549
01:09:48,320 --> 01:09:51,200
Speaker 1: talking about. Before you get a better feel, longer year

1550
01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:53,880
Speaker 1: around him, you get a better field. But you have

1551
01:09:54,120 --> 01:09:58,360
Speaker 1: to make that decision early and hope you're right, not

1552
01:09:58,479 --> 01:10:00,360
Speaker 1: that you're right all the time. But those are those

1553
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:04,080
Speaker 1: are three things that I was always looking at hard coach.

1554
01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:06,200
Speaker 1: One of the things we always talk about and the scouting,

1555
01:10:06,240 --> 01:10:08,800
Speaker 1: we're always talking about different types of leaders. And you

1556
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:11,040
Speaker 1: have the vocal leaders. You have the lead by example.

1557
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:14,960
Speaker 1: Is is it possible to be an elite player in

1558
01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:18,080
Speaker 1: the National Football League at the quarterback position without being

1559
01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:22,760
Speaker 1: a vocal leader? Is that even possible? I think it is.

1560
01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:25,880
Speaker 1: I think it is. But that again that that's a

1561
01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:30,720
Speaker 1: special special gift. Uh. You know, one of my mentors

1562
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:32,600
Speaker 1: and one of the guys I looked up to, just

1563
01:10:32,680 --> 01:10:36,280
Speaker 1: passed away recently, Bart starr And, and I would have

1564
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:39,200
Speaker 1: to say, you know, he he was not one of

1565
01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:43,640
Speaker 1: those boisterous vocal leaders that you might think of. You know,

1566
01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:46,599
Speaker 1: he was, but he was a leader and they all

1567
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:49,200
Speaker 1: played hard for him, and they knew he was the

1568
01:10:49,280 --> 01:10:52,840
Speaker 1: boss and he had it. But that was a gift. Uh,

1569
01:10:53,479 --> 01:10:56,800
Speaker 1: it's not, it's more subtle. But then that if you're

1570
01:10:56,840 --> 01:10:59,160
Speaker 1: not a vocal leader and they don't see the fire,

1571
01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:01,519
Speaker 1: you gotta show it times. And they showed in different ways.

1572
01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:04,000
Speaker 1: And but you know this in the locker room, you know,

1573
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:07,519
Speaker 1: the players know. The players know if if a player

1574
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:13,360
Speaker 1: is not necessarily um vocal and obvious to the fans,

1575
01:11:14,040 --> 01:11:16,439
Speaker 1: the players know in the locker room he leads in

1576
01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:19,439
Speaker 1: a different way. Perhaps, you know, I had Steve Young,

1577
01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:23,800
Speaker 1: had Joe Montana, Far, those guys, Matt Hasselbeck Mark Bt.

1578
01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:28,439
Speaker 1: Now those guys they were all different, somewhere a little louder, somewhere,

1579
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:32,760
Speaker 1: a little funnier like Far, but they the play His teammates,

1580
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:35,320
Speaker 1: they and Joe Montana was just special. But he was

1581
01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:37,080
Speaker 1: kind of a little bit more on the quiet side.

1582
01:11:38,200 --> 01:11:41,519
Speaker 1: His teammates, they their teammates would do anything, they go

1583
01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:44,840
Speaker 1: to the wall form because they had that gift. So

1584
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:48,519
Speaker 1: I don't think you have to be necessarily boisterous you know,

1585
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:50,439
Speaker 1: to be a leader. In fact, I know you don't

1586
01:11:50,479 --> 01:11:52,960
Speaker 1: have to be because I coached guys that weren't, but

1587
01:11:53,080 --> 01:11:55,960
Speaker 1: they were definitely leaders of the football team. I've got

1588
01:11:56,080 --> 01:11:59,000
Speaker 1: one more quarterback question for you here, coach. If if

1589
01:11:59,080 --> 01:12:01,200
Speaker 1: you look at the landskip right now in the NFL

1590
01:12:01,479 --> 01:12:04,080
Speaker 1: and somebody as somebody that played the position and somebody

1591
01:12:04,120 --> 01:12:07,040
Speaker 1: who enjoys coaching the position, is there one guy out

1592
01:12:07,080 --> 01:12:09,479
Speaker 1: there you look at and say, man, I would love

1593
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:12,599
Speaker 1: to have the opportunity to coach that young man. Well,

1594
01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:14,160
Speaker 1: I'm going to state the obvious here, and you know

1595
01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:20,360
Speaker 1: who I'm gonna say is my homes Yeah, him play

1596
01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:23,639
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, he reminds me a little bit

1597
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:27,439
Speaker 1: of far and then the fact that he'll start doing

1598
01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:30,080
Speaker 1: stuff and you know the old thing. No, no, you're

1599
01:12:30,120 --> 01:12:33,679
Speaker 1: yelling for the silent Oh yeah, and it works out okay.

1600
01:12:35,120 --> 01:12:38,519
Speaker 1: So but he's fun to watch. He sounds I don't

1601
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:42,000
Speaker 1: know him, but you know he's fortunate to be with Andy.

1602
01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:44,720
Speaker 1: I think that's one thing. And then he's seems like

1603
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:46,920
Speaker 1: a great young man. You guys probably know him better

1604
01:12:46,920 --> 01:12:49,800
Speaker 1: than I do. Coach. Now, I've been on this, I've

1605
01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:51,639
Speaker 1: been on the sideline when you've had some of those

1606
01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:55,200
Speaker 1: epic uh interactions with Brett Fork, are you sure that

1607
01:12:55,320 --> 01:12:58,679
Speaker 1: you could deal with some of the uh off the cuff,

1608
01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:00,800
Speaker 1: sand lots stuff that Pat Home of brings. I know

1609
01:13:01,240 --> 01:13:03,320
Speaker 1: that you'd say that, oh, I would love to coach,

1610
01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:05,479
Speaker 1: and but I remember back in the day, Brett would

1611
01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:07,920
Speaker 1: drive you crazy sometimes with some of the improp du

1612
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:10,479
Speaker 1: plays that he would make on the field. Now, Bucky,

1613
01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:14,120
Speaker 1: when I agreed to this interview, you know you promised

1614
01:13:14,160 --> 01:13:16,320
Speaker 1: me you wouldn't bring up any of those crazy moments.

1615
01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:18,760
Speaker 1: I don't want people to I don't want my image ruined.

1616
01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:24,040
Speaker 1: You know that was I will say this too, that

1617
01:13:24,280 --> 01:13:28,240
Speaker 1: that Brett and I've said this openly, so I'm not

1618
01:13:28,360 --> 01:13:30,600
Speaker 1: telling you anything I haven't said before. But yeah, he

1619
01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:33,480
Speaker 1: was challenging and we went through some tough love situations,

1620
01:13:33,560 --> 01:13:36,599
Speaker 1: There's no question about that. But he I had more

1621
01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:40,640
Speaker 1: fun coaching him than anybody, honestly. He was He so

1622
01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:44,920
Speaker 1: enjoyed playing the game. And you can have your moments

1623
01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:47,200
Speaker 1: where you get after him a little bit, but then

1624
01:13:47,320 --> 01:13:52,439
Speaker 1: ultimately you knew that this guy's this He's special and

1625
01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:54,599
Speaker 1: now I've got to do I gotta get the best

1626
01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:58,040
Speaker 1: out of him, And that's what coaches look for, you know.

1627
01:13:58,240 --> 01:14:02,040
Speaker 1: You get a player that's just special and then you go, boy,

1628
01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:04,400
Speaker 1: now I get to roll up my sleeves and and

1629
01:14:04,479 --> 01:14:06,120
Speaker 1: go to work and try and help this a little bit.

1630
01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:09,760
Speaker 1: You know, Coach, so much has been made about quarterback development,

1631
01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:11,519
Speaker 1: and I know being with you in Green Bay and

1632
01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:14,960
Speaker 1: in Seattle, you really took pride in developing the quarterbacks

1633
01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:16,920
Speaker 1: in the off season and the summer was a big

1634
01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:19,439
Speaker 1: part of that. Uh. That has changed a little bit.

1635
01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:22,320
Speaker 1: But what can a hey coach do to really develop

1636
01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:25,400
Speaker 1: a young quarterback and even a starting quarterback over the

1637
01:14:25,479 --> 01:14:27,960
Speaker 1: off season to get him ready to go at max

1638
01:14:28,040 --> 01:14:31,479
Speaker 1: potential when he hasn'to the regular season. Well, you know, Buck,

1639
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:34,720
Speaker 1: you had you had to make sure that that young

1640
01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:39,280
Speaker 1: quarterback trusted you first of all and believed that by

1641
01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:42,360
Speaker 1: picking him or choosing him, that you thought he could

1642
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:45,320
Speaker 1: do the job. Now having said that, then it was

1643
01:14:45,439 --> 01:14:48,240
Speaker 1: his responsibility then to work very very hard. You know.

1644
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:52,320
Speaker 1: We always tried to, uh when I was coaching pick

1645
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:56,320
Speaker 1: a quarterback. Uh in those days, we had three. I

1646
01:14:56,400 --> 01:14:58,840
Speaker 1: always had three, not to not today a lot of

1647
01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:02,040
Speaker 1: teams I just have to, but I had three, and

1648
01:15:02,120 --> 01:15:04,400
Speaker 1: I draft one in the fifth or sixth round perhaps,

1649
01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:07,600
Speaker 1: and just let him learn and let him develop. And

1650
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:10,479
Speaker 1: you know, historically those guys, a lot of those guys

1651
01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:13,920
Speaker 1: went on to be pretty good players. You know Matt Hasselbeck,

1652
01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:22,280
Speaker 1: Uh uh, you know Mark, Mark Barnell, and you know,

1653
01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:25,000
Speaker 1: in the Green Bay no one was going to replace far,

1654
01:15:25,880 --> 01:15:28,680
Speaker 1: but I still wanted to bring in a guy and

1655
01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:31,640
Speaker 1: train him and then maybe be a backup. But then

1656
01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:34,160
Speaker 1: he went on to other teams. So it was fun

1657
01:15:34,280 --> 01:15:36,600
Speaker 1: for me. I was a quarterback coach, you know, I

1658
01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:40,120
Speaker 1: was an assistant with the I started as a quarterback coach.

1659
01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:43,880
Speaker 1: I played the position. It was fun for me to

1660
01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:46,880
Speaker 1: develop those guys and see him grow. And so that's

1661
01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:49,519
Speaker 1: what we that's you do in the offseason, and that's

1662
01:15:49,560 --> 01:15:52,760
Speaker 1: what you did in the summer. Man, it's always a

1663
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:54,800
Speaker 1: plage when I get a chance to hear coach Mike

1664
01:15:55,280 --> 01:15:58,880
Speaker 1: talk about quarterbacks. Um have him played for him for

1665
01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:01,040
Speaker 1: three years in Green Bay, having worked for him up

1666
01:16:01,080 --> 01:16:04,720
Speaker 1: in Seattle. Uh, he really understands the quarterback position. He

1667
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:08,759
Speaker 1: takes a lot of pride and uh, not only evaluating quarterbacks,

1668
01:16:08,840 --> 01:16:10,479
Speaker 1: were really trying to develop them. And some of the

1669
01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:14,040
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that he has been around the Steve Youngs, Joe Montana's,

1670
01:16:14,080 --> 01:16:17,880
Speaker 1: the guys that he's impacted to, Brett Fars, Matt Hasselbeck, Um,

1671
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:21,040
Speaker 1: Trent Dilford was also a part of our run in Seattle.

1672
01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:23,519
Speaker 1: He just does a great job of getting guys ready

1673
01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:26,320
Speaker 1: to play and teaching them how to play the right way,

1674
01:16:26,360 --> 01:16:27,760
Speaker 1: and so for him to be able to share some

1675
01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:30,640
Speaker 1: of that stuff was really enlightening. But I think the

1676
01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:33,559
Speaker 1: conversation and the way that he lit up with Pat Mahomes,

1677
01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:36,120
Speaker 1: I believe Coach Mike would come out of retirement if

1678
01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:38,680
Speaker 1: he had an opportunity to coach number fifteen because he

1679
01:16:38,840 --> 01:16:41,840
Speaker 1: is eerily similar to number four up in Green Bay.

1680
01:16:42,240 --> 01:16:44,840
Speaker 1: And some irony on the show today because you've got

1681
01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:47,879
Speaker 1: Kurt Warner who spent some time there with Mike Holmgren,

1682
01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:50,519
Speaker 1: a brief moment there with the Green Bay Packers before

1683
01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:52,960
Speaker 1: he was cut. Uh, Mike Holmgren might want to have

1684
01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:54,680
Speaker 1: that one back. All they were fine right far if

1685
01:16:54,680 --> 01:16:57,439
Speaker 1: they were fine going forward, But Kurt went on to

1686
01:16:57,479 --> 01:16:59,439
Speaker 1: have a Hall of Fame career, but just goes again

1687
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:02,439
Speaker 1: to show you that some guys have a knack at

1688
01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:05,080
Speaker 1: the position for being able to identify and develop talent.

1689
01:17:05,160 --> 01:17:07,200
Speaker 1: And when you look at the long run of quarterbacks

1690
01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:10,240
Speaker 1: he's had from San Francisco to Green baytis yeatt, all

1691
01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:13,599
Speaker 1: the success they had, uh throwing the football. Obviously, nobody

1692
01:17:13,640 --> 01:17:16,200
Speaker 1: better to talk to than than coach Homegren about the position.

1693
01:17:16,439 --> 01:17:18,120
Speaker 1: It's so crazy. I think we were driving them crazy

1694
01:17:18,120 --> 01:17:19,920
Speaker 1: because for the longest time in Green Bay we would

1695
01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:23,840
Speaker 1: not use the shotgun formation because he felt like the

1696
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:26,880
Speaker 1: shotgun disrupted the rhythm of the passing game of the

1697
01:17:26,920 --> 01:17:29,479
Speaker 1: West Coast offense. And so he didn't have to change

1698
01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:30,960
Speaker 1: and kind of come up to speed a little bit

1699
01:17:31,040 --> 01:17:32,760
Speaker 1: with some of the things that guys are doing in

1700
01:17:32,840 --> 01:17:35,519
Speaker 1: the league now. But he certainly knows the quarterback position

1701
01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:38,120
Speaker 1: better than most and no doubt. Well, that was a

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01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:41,080
Speaker 1: that was a fun episode. That maybe the most enjoyable

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01:17:41,200 --> 01:17:43,800
Speaker 1: move the sixth episode that we've done. I I I am.

1704
01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:47,200
Speaker 1: I'm a sucker for the quarterback position. Um, it's uh,

1705
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:49,360
Speaker 1: it's right there in my wheelhouse, always trying to learn

1706
01:17:49,439 --> 01:17:51,800
Speaker 1: and grow in in the evaluation of the position and

1707
01:17:52,240 --> 01:17:53,840
Speaker 1: and Buck, I feel like we learned a lot in

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01:17:53,920 --> 01:17:55,880
Speaker 1: this one. We did learn a lot in DJ I'm

1709
01:17:55,920 --> 01:17:58,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you I'm I'm biased because haven't had

1710
01:17:58,120 --> 01:17:59,960
Speaker 1: the opportunity to play for two Hall of Fame cop

1711
01:18:00,120 --> 01:18:02,599
Speaker 1: back to Jim Kelly and Brett for played with another

1712
01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:05,880
Speaker 1: one m VP candidate MVP winner en rich Gannon. Uh.

1713
01:18:06,040 --> 01:18:08,880
Speaker 1: They all are different, and I think what I learned

1714
01:18:09,040 --> 01:18:12,160
Speaker 1: from the podcast, Look, they can come in all different

1715
01:18:12,200 --> 01:18:15,439
Speaker 1: styles and flavors, but the core traits they have to

1716
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:17,519
Speaker 1: have those. And I think what we were able to

1717
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:20,559
Speaker 1: gleam from this podcast, you know what those traits are.

1718
01:18:20,920 --> 01:18:23,200
Speaker 1: You have to have the intelligence, you have to have

1719
01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:25,960
Speaker 1: the leadership, to aggreasy, the anticipation, you have to be

1720
01:18:26,240 --> 01:18:29,200
Speaker 1: a guy. And I think, if anything, I'm gonna take

1721
01:18:29,280 --> 01:18:31,200
Speaker 1: that away and I think hopefully it'll make me a

1722
01:18:31,240 --> 01:18:33,640
Speaker 1: better evaluated when we're looking at these other guys that

1723
01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:35,920
Speaker 1: are the next generational quarterbacks. All Right, we need to

1724
01:18:36,040 --> 01:18:38,080
Speaker 1: we need to go on record here with our prototype

1725
01:18:38,120 --> 01:18:41,320
Speaker 1: because it is the prototype series. Um again learning a lot,

1726
01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:43,960
Speaker 1: but also taking in all that information of what it

1727
01:18:44,040 --> 01:18:46,639
Speaker 1: takes to be successful. When you look at the current

1728
01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:48,840
Speaker 1: Cropper quarterbacks, Buck and you have to say one guy

1729
01:18:48,920 --> 01:18:52,120
Speaker 1: hits the prototype, who was it? Man? That is like

1730
01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:54,760
Speaker 1: that's tough, DJ, because like once again we were still

1731
01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:58,519
Speaker 1: sit here and talked about how they come in different things. Look,

1732
01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:02,160
Speaker 1: I think the new school prototype will be the Pat

1733
01:19:02,240 --> 01:19:05,640
Speaker 1: Mahomesite in terms of the guy who has the athleticism

1734
01:19:05,880 --> 01:19:08,120
Speaker 1: but has the big time arm talent, the guy that

1735
01:19:08,200 --> 01:19:10,920
Speaker 1: can erase the bad plays and get it done. I

1736
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:14,280
Speaker 1: think he'll be the new school prototype of the position

1737
01:19:14,360 --> 01:19:17,040
Speaker 1: just because he is so remarkable in terms of what

1738
01:19:17,160 --> 01:19:19,240
Speaker 1: he's able to do with the ball, how he's able

1739
01:19:19,280 --> 01:19:23,839
Speaker 1: to kind of just make these impromptu improvisational plays. However,

1740
01:19:23,960 --> 01:19:26,559
Speaker 1: he is still able to stay on schedule. Now, if

1741
01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:29,479
Speaker 1: we're talking about someone that continues to be the standard,

1742
01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:33,040
Speaker 1: I think the prototype is really Tom Brady, the ultimate winner,

1743
01:19:33,120 --> 01:19:34,760
Speaker 1: the guy that can deliver from the pocket, and the

1744
01:19:34,840 --> 01:19:37,760
Speaker 1: guy that may not be um the most talented guy,

1745
01:19:37,840 --> 01:19:39,479
Speaker 1: but a guy that consistently finds a way to get

1746
01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:41,240
Speaker 1: his team to the winner circle. At the end of

1747
01:19:41,240 --> 01:19:43,200
Speaker 1: the day, it's not about the yards, it's about the rings.

1748
01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:45,879
Speaker 1: Tom Brady remains the standard. I think he's the prototype

1749
01:19:45,920 --> 01:19:48,640
Speaker 1: of the position. Yeah. I mean, look, there's you've got

1750
01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:52,400
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. Uh you know, we've we've seen uh Ben

1751
01:19:52,520 --> 01:19:56,120
Speaker 1: Roethlisberg have a long stretch. Drew Brees. Obviously Um doesn't

1752
01:19:56,160 --> 01:19:58,719
Speaker 1: have the prototypical size. But to me, if we're looking

1753
01:19:58,760 --> 01:20:01,400
Speaker 1: at the prototype, I think it's between two guys. And

1754
01:20:01,479 --> 01:20:04,920
Speaker 1: you mentioned Pat mahomes Um who does everything you could

1755
01:20:04,960 --> 01:20:08,320
Speaker 1: ever imagine on the football field. To me, though, I

1756
01:20:08,360 --> 01:20:11,360
Speaker 1: would still for me personally, if I'm trying to go scouting,

1757
01:20:11,439 --> 01:20:13,439
Speaker 1: look at what I'm looking for, what I'm trying to find.

1758
01:20:13,800 --> 01:20:16,240
Speaker 1: I'm still trying to find Andrew Luck. It's the highest

1759
01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:18,840
Speaker 1: quarterback grade that I've ever given since I started scouting

1760
01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:21,400
Speaker 1: in two thousand three, and I'm gonna stick with that

1761
01:20:21,640 --> 01:20:25,880
Speaker 1: and what he is because I have the size, the physicality,

1762
01:20:26,200 --> 01:20:29,360
Speaker 1: the arm strength, the athletic ability, the intelligence. I don't

1763
01:20:29,479 --> 01:20:33,400
Speaker 1: know a skill, uh that Andrew Luck doesn't possess, And

1764
01:20:33,439 --> 01:20:36,160
Speaker 1: I would say, uh, maybe the you know, the difference.

1765
01:20:36,200 --> 01:20:38,160
Speaker 1: What's the difference between him and Pat mahomes I think

1766
01:20:38,240 --> 01:20:40,479
Speaker 1: at this point just because Andrew Lucks a little further along,

1767
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:44,000
Speaker 1: I think on schedule, Andrew Luck is a is a

1768
01:20:44,120 --> 01:20:48,040
Speaker 1: little more advanced now. Pat off schedule is unique in

1769
01:20:48,160 --> 01:20:49,920
Speaker 1: what he can do. He's special. I think it's a

1770
01:20:49,960 --> 01:20:53,040
Speaker 1: conversation between those two. But for me, I still have

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01:20:53,160 --> 01:20:55,559
Speaker 1: Andrew Luck as the prototype. It's funny because there's one

1772
01:20:55,600 --> 01:20:57,639
Speaker 1: of the young name that I would throw in there

1773
01:20:57,720 --> 01:21:00,040
Speaker 1: as the prototype, and I know he's been in it

1774
01:21:00,120 --> 01:21:02,280
Speaker 1: a little bit, but I still believe Carson Wentz is

1775
01:21:02,360 --> 01:21:05,120
Speaker 1: really more like a prototype than anything else because when

1776
01:21:05,160 --> 01:21:08,800
Speaker 1: you look at Carson Wentz, uh, athletically, he can do

1777
01:21:08,920 --> 01:21:11,760
Speaker 1: whatever you want to do in terms of quarterback run game.

1778
01:21:11,960 --> 01:21:14,240
Speaker 1: He can throw inside of the pocket, outside the pocket.

1779
01:21:14,479 --> 01:21:17,880
Speaker 1: He's a terrific leader, he's tough, and he's a guy

1780
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:21,080
Speaker 1: that absolutely loves the grind and the process. We obviously

1781
01:21:21,120 --> 01:21:23,080
Speaker 1: know that because we know people that are tied very

1782
01:21:23,160 --> 01:21:25,800
Speaker 1: very close to him. I think he is a prototype,

1783
01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:27,519
Speaker 1: and I think if he has an opportunity to play

1784
01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:29,920
Speaker 1: a full season in twenty nine team, I think that

1785
01:21:30,040 --> 01:21:33,960
Speaker 1: conversation becomes probably a three headed monster with Pat Mahomes,

1786
01:21:34,040 --> 01:21:37,200
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz, and Andrew Luck because each of those guys

1787
01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:39,400
Speaker 1: plays the game a little differently, but they all have

1788
01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:42,559
Speaker 1: the court trays that you're looking for. Yeah, that's it's exciting.

1789
01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:44,000
Speaker 1: We have a lot of good young quarterbacks in the

1790
01:21:44,120 --> 01:21:46,800
Speaker 1: NFL and tasks with trying to find the next wave

1791
01:21:46,840 --> 01:21:49,120
Speaker 1: of guys in the college game. Uh, that's something we're

1792
01:21:49,120 --> 01:21:51,720
Speaker 1: gonna focus here on the movie. Six podcasts says we

1793
01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:54,519
Speaker 1: do throughout the year. Um, remember you can check out

1794
01:21:54,560 --> 01:21:56,519
Speaker 1: our running Back episode if you've missed that one. If

1795
01:21:56,560 --> 01:21:58,519
Speaker 1: you enjoyed the Quarterback one, trust me, you're gonna want

1796
01:21:58,520 --> 01:22:00,639
Speaker 1: to stay tuned for the entire series. But the running

1797
01:22:00,680 --> 01:22:02,719
Speaker 1: Back Show is already up. You can find that NFL

1798
01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:06,719
Speaker 1: dot com, the Slash podcast or your favorite podcast app

1799
01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:10,320
Speaker 1: and we have wide receivers. Uh, they're coming next week, buck,

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01:22:10,360 --> 01:22:12,000
Speaker 1: and trust me, you're not gonna want to miss this one.

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01:22:12,040 --> 01:22:15,400
Speaker 1: It's uh, it's a fascinating conversation. Especially I think you're

1802
01:22:15,400 --> 01:22:18,960
Speaker 1: gonna enjoy our chat with Thomas Demitrof on the subject. Absolutely. Man,

1803
01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:22,679
Speaker 1: the playmakers. We we talked about the marquee positions in football.

1804
01:22:22,720 --> 01:22:25,320
Speaker 1: We can talk about quarterbacks, and we'll talk about pass rushers,

1805
01:22:25,560 --> 01:22:29,280
Speaker 1: but man, the past catchers, slash playmakers, they've certainly kind

1806
01:22:29,320 --> 01:22:32,920
Speaker 1: of risen up the marquis. Absolutely, and I encourage everybody

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01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:36,720
Speaker 1: that's listening, download, subscribe, review, We appreciate all those. Tell

1808
01:22:36,760 --> 01:22:39,200
Speaker 1: a friend, this is uh, this is a fun series.

1809
01:22:39,240 --> 01:22:41,240
Speaker 1: Not a lot going on in the football world right now,

1810
01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:44,880
Speaker 1: but this series has got me energized and then pumped up.

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01:22:44,920 --> 01:22:47,080
Speaker 1: It's again. It's an opportunity to learn about the game

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01:22:47,160 --> 01:22:49,880
Speaker 1: that we all love, the great game of football. That's

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01:22:49,880 --> 01:22:52,479
Speaker 1: gonna do it for us. He's Bucky Brooks. I'm Daniel Jeremiah.

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01:22:52,479 --> 01:22:54,599
Speaker 1: Will catch you next time. Right here, I'll move the Sticks.

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01:22:54,920 --> 01:22:59,280
Speaker 1: Thanks for downloading Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and

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Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks. For more, go to NFL dot com, Slash

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