Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
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Speaker 1: dan Z dan Patrick Show. Yesterday, at this time, the
Speaker 1: Odell Beckham Junior story was simmering with the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 1: We didn't know if he was going to be cut
Speaker 1: or not. He was held out of practice. He's being
Speaker 1: held out of today's practice. We'll check in with the
Speaker 1: Browns coming up. Also, the Aaron Rodgers story exploded yesterday.
Speaker 1: At this time. Tom Pellicero was on us on with
Speaker 1: us about ten to fifty East Coast time, and then
Speaker 1: hung up with us and then broke the story that
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers had tested positive for COVID and would miss
Speaker 1: the game against the Kansas City Chiefs. Then it was okay, wait,
Speaker 1: we thought he was vaccinated. No, he's out out and
Speaker 1: might miss the following week against Seattle. Now we've had
Speaker 1: a windfall of opinions, stories, speculation, rumor innuendo. Team is
Speaker 1: not going to get in front of the media today.
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers probably would have in a normal week, but
Speaker 1: not going to do that, I don't think today. So
Speaker 1: we're left to wonder what's going to happen to Rogers.
Speaker 1: Is he going to be fined? Will he be suspended?
Speaker 1: What happens to the Packers? If you look at other
Speaker 1: organizations Denver, Denver was spanked, the Raiders, also the Titans,
Speaker 1: you've had, the Saints, they get fined substantially. And from
Speaker 1: what I was told by a source who's involved in this,
Speaker 1: that the Packers are going to be complicit in trying
Speaker 1: to cover this up, that they knew that Aaron was
Speaker 1: not vaccinated, that he was immunized, And I just want
Speaker 1: to make sure that I let people know about this.
Speaker 1: The Center for Disease Control the CDC defines vaccination as
Speaker 1: the act of introducing a vaccine into the body to
Speaker 1: produce protection from a specific disease. It's definition for immune
Speaker 1: zation is quote a process by which a person becomes
Speaker 1: protected against a disease through vaccination. Okay, it seems pretty
Speaker 1: close if you listen to that. Now, if you're not
Speaker 1: a doctor and you're not playing one on TV, and
Speaker 1: you remember the media, and you hear Aaron Rodgers say
Speaker 1: after he's well Seaton, would you play it? Because he
Speaker 1: does say yes to being vaccinated, but then says that
Speaker 1: he is immunized. Are you vaccinating? What your stance are vaccinations, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've been any nice. You know, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: a lot of conversation around it around the league, and
Speaker 1: a lot of guys who have made statements and have
Speaker 1: made statements, owners who made statements. You know, there's guys
Speaker 1: on the team that haven't vaccinated. I think it's a
Speaker 1: personal decision. I'm not going to judge those guys. So, now,
Speaker 1: does the NFL go in and get videotape of what
Speaker 1: goes on inside the Packers training facility? Do they see
Speaker 1: if Aaron Rodgers went through protocol? Because from what I'm
Speaker 1: told by Sours, the Packers are they're going to look
Speaker 1: into are they complicit in this? Did they allow Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers to sort of skirt some of the protocols here
Speaker 1: because it's Aaron Rodgers? Did he get special treatment here?
Speaker 1: Did they not want to upset Aaron Rodgers given what
Speaker 1: happened during the offseason. Those are the things that are
Speaker 1: probably going to be investigated here, and Rodgers will probably
Speaker 1: be fined and don't rule out being suspended. Yeah. See,
Speaker 1: I could see at the time when he made that
Speaker 1: statement that it just kind of sounded like he's using
Speaker 1: big words to like sort of show off, like that
Speaker 1: know it all kind of thing, you know, five dollar
Speaker 1: words like have you been vaccinated? I've been immunized. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, okay, fancy, but he says, yeah, have
Speaker 1: you been vaccinated? Yeah, And he says I've been immunized.
Speaker 1: Well that's not vaccinated. That's different. But I don't know,
Speaker 1: if you know, going through this holistic approach that in
Speaker 1: his mind he thought, I'm raising my end of bodies
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm good to go. Well, you know, he
Speaker 1: did ask the NFL Players Association to see if he
Speaker 1: could get a special exemption that he didn't have to
Speaker 1: get vaccinated, that he had this holistic approach, and the
Speaker 1: NFL said no. But I don't know what happened after that.
Speaker 1: Did the packers know that he wasn't vaccinated, because he,
Speaker 1: you know, filed this petition and basically to say, hey,
Speaker 1: can I can I still be able to go into
Speaker 1: the facility? Can I still do my job? Do I
Speaker 1: have to wear a mask? Do I have to be
Speaker 1: tested every day? How often do I have to be tested?
Speaker 1: That's what I think the NFL, the NFL Players Association
Speaker 1: are going to try to find out here soon yeah, Paul.
Speaker 1: I went back and watched a little bit at August
Speaker 1: twenty six presscouts of Aaron Rodgers, and there were a
Speaker 1: lot of other topics they were asked king about. That
Speaker 1: was not a prime topic. They were still dealing with
Speaker 1: offseason stuff and bringing Randall Cobb and all the other
Speaker 1: you know, football stuff, So it wasn't like he was talked.
Speaker 1: They didn't talk about a lot, so it wasn't a
Speaker 1: big red flag, probably for the local media. But it
Speaker 1: feels deceitful that you know you're not vaccinated. This is
Speaker 1: semantics that you're playing with here, and that's not fair
Speaker 1: to your teammates. That's not fair. Other players get sick,
Speaker 1: other players families, and unless everybody knew that he wasn't vaccinated.
Speaker 1: But if you're going to a Halloween party or you're
Speaker 1: hanging out with teammates and you're not wearing a mask here,
Speaker 1: you know, then it's different. And that's why I was
Speaker 1: told the NFL may come down on hard on Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers because of this. Yes, my club, if you're the
Speaker 1: Packers management, are you gonna say Aaron will pay the fine,
Speaker 1: We'll do anything. Would you bet over backwards just to
Speaker 1: try and make this off season more productive for them.
Speaker 1: I thought this was interesting about Matt Lafloor, the head
Speaker 1: coach yesterday. The question is in here with the head coach,
Speaker 1: there's been a couple of players who only talked spoken
Speaker 1: to us to be a zoom or the course of
Speaker 1: the season. Obviously Aaron has fucked us in person. I
Speaker 1: never's even with a mask. Has he skirted the rules
Speaker 1: at altering us? Yeah? Again, you guys are trying to,
Speaker 1: in a roundabout way, trying to get me the answer
Speaker 1: whether or not the guy who's vaccinated or I'm vaccinated,
Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna I'm not going there. He basically said,
Speaker 1: you know, you gotta ask Aaron. Got to ask Aaron
Speaker 1: because now your head coach is trying to answer. And
Speaker 1: if I'm Matt Lafloor, I'm like, I'm not getting close
Speaker 1: with this. But I did wonder, you know, did they
Speaker 1: hop on the grenade here management and say, hey, you
Speaker 1: know what this is on us? We thought that uh,
Speaker 1: you know, he had been cleared. Whatever it is, whatever
Speaker 1: your rationale is. But I think this is a really
Speaker 1: interesting crossroads for Rogers and the Packers. No, what did
Speaker 1: they do? What do they say, how's Rogers react to this?
Speaker 1: You know, the bigger picture too with the team itself,
Speaker 1: is you got a big game against Kansas City, Jordan
Speaker 1: Love thrown into action here. Then you got Seattle. You're
Speaker 1: trying to get home field advantage. There was nothing to
Speaker 1: talk about in green Bay after the Saints game. Everybody
Speaker 1: had a thought on Green Bay and Aaron Rodgers and
Speaker 1: he didn't show up offseason workouts and he's going through
Speaker 1: the motions. He doesn't want to be there. Then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, they start winning. Then they beat the Cardinals,
Speaker 1: don't even have Davante Adams. All's well, everything's good. Then
Speaker 1: this now what happens? What if you lose the next
Speaker 1: two games Kansas City and Seattle? You were the clubhouse
Speaker 1: leader from home field advantage. But I think there's a
Speaker 1: lot more to the story. At least it feels like
Speaker 1: from the source that I spoke to this morning, did
Speaker 1: speak to somebody about Odell Beckham and did he play
Speaker 1: this perfectly? And I went, okay, I'm all ears. And
Speaker 1: my source said that he thinks Odell Beckham wanted to
Speaker 1: be released, that it was after the trade deadline, and
Speaker 1: therefore if they release him. They have to pay him,
Speaker 1: then he can pick who he wants to go to
Speaker 1: his choice, not we're going to get rid of you.
Speaker 1: This is the best offer we had. He might be
Speaker 1: able to dictate. He's going to get paid, and he's
Speaker 1: going to be able to go where he wants to go.
Speaker 1: And from what I was told, hey, it would make
Speaker 1: sense for New Orleans. Michael Thomas is out for the year.
Speaker 1: They need a go to wide receiver, and he played
Speaker 1: his college ball at LSU. So that's just some of
Speaker 1: the information that I've received so far this morning. We
Speaker 1: haven't heard anything else. There's nothing new, but we will
Speaker 1: check him with the Cleveland Browns because OBJ is not
Speaker 1: practicing again today. I just don't know how he goes
Speaker 1: back into that locker room, how he goes into that huddle.
Speaker 1: And I think OBJ is saying, I don't want to
Speaker 1: be here. And we did look at the video that
Speaker 1: his dad co signed on and said, hey, here's eleven
Speaker 1: minutes and look, my son's open. Now I don't know
Speaker 1: who made the video, but you know OBJ didn't come
Speaker 1: out and say, hey, you know, Baker's still my guy.
Speaker 1: He didn't. He didn't say anything. So OBJ is probably saying, hey,
Speaker 1: I'll co sign on that absolutely, Dad, go get him.
Speaker 1: But you hold him out of practice. You hold him
Speaker 1: out of practice again today, and I'm gonna guess Obj
Speaker 1: is not going to play another game for the Cleveland Browns. Yeah, poet.
Speaker 1: Sports parents are kind of fascinating because you at a
Speaker 1: young age you back your kid or some sports parents
Speaker 1: are rational, some sports parents aren't. And if he hears
Speaker 1: you know, Odell Beckham's dad seems like a yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know, we don't know what that's thinking about it,
Speaker 1: but he put this video out to defend his son
Speaker 1: or give his side of it, and he might be
Speaker 1: totally right, but it'd be funny if you like. It's
Speaker 1: interesting to see how parents can get over zealous. And
Speaker 1: it happens from age five to age thirty. Yeah, not
Speaker 1: inserting yourself, but over defending or properly defending defending how looks.
Speaker 1: But but it feels like it's just this generation where
Speaker 1: the parents are overly involved. I can't imagine like twenty
Speaker 1: years ago, thirty years ago, where all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: you know, somebody's dad is going to get involved and uh,
Speaker 1: you know take two. Well, they didn't have social media
Speaker 1: back then. Yes, ask Archie Manning. He was certainly he did, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he did. He wanted to make sure that his son
Speaker 1: didn't go to the Charger. They had to use the
Speaker 1: media the old fashioned way. When he didn't want to
Speaker 1: go to the Chargers. He leaked it out there without
Speaker 1: what's keeping it away from Eli. Eli's not saying I
Speaker 1: don't want to go, yeah, the family saying it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But for the most part, you know, look at a
Speaker 1: Lonzo Ball his situation, LaMelo. His dad haven't heard from
Speaker 1: his dad too much, which is great because I said,
Speaker 1: let these kids grow up to be men, let them
Speaker 1: handle whatever adversity they have. If you know, Lonzo doesn't
Speaker 1: work out in New Orleans, okay, great, let's see what
Speaker 1: he does now. Now he's in Chicago, LaMelo, you know,
Speaker 1: a circuitous route to the NBA. But he's doing really well.
Speaker 1: By the way, that was must see TV for me
Speaker 1: last night, the Hornets against Golden State. It's fun and
Speaker 1: Lonzo is the reason, LaMelo is the reason why you're
Speaker 1: watching the Hornets. He's got tune in factor. But I man,
Speaker 1: Golden State, if Clay Thompson is ninety percent of Clay Thompson,
Speaker 1: I still think Golden State's the team to beat in
Speaker 1: the West. I did wonder what Kyrie Irving must think
Speaker 1: about Aaron Rodgers situation. It just, you know, I just thought,
Speaker 1: I wonder what you know, or Carson Wentz thinks, or
Speaker 1: Kirk d Cousins thinks, because you know, we blasted them.
Speaker 1: But they did come out and say, look, we don't
Speaker 1: want to be vaccinated for whatever reason. I think Kirk
Speaker 1: D Cousin said, you know, for religious reasons. Okay, Kyrie
Speaker 1: willing to sit out. Okay. They at least owned this.
Speaker 1: Aaron didn't own it. It was sort of cryptic there,
Speaker 1: and I think that's where it feels deceitful and where
Speaker 1: people have a problem with it all. Right. By the way,
Speaker 1: here is a Baker Mayfield talking about Obj's dad posting
Speaker 1: a video hurt No, surprised, Yes, yeah, I think there's
Speaker 1: there's different things that, you know, play a factor into it.
Speaker 1: I've had conversations with his dad before, man to man,
Speaker 1: face to face, and I was pretty surprised by the video,
Speaker 1: and you know the intentions and the feelings behind it.
Speaker 1: I'd be lying if I said otherwise. But hurt No,
Speaker 1: I'm good, Okay, what kind of conversations did. I don't
Speaker 1: know if somebody said, what kind of conversations did you
Speaker 1: have with Obj's dad? Who initiated those? Because that would
Speaker 1: have been my question if I was there in the
Speaker 1: media room, and I'd still want to know what was thinking.
Speaker 1: Now he might say, no, I'm going to keep that
Speaker 1: private here. But I don't know. Aaron Rodgers is going
Speaker 1: to miss this game. The Green Bay backup quarterbacks in
Speaker 1: the Aaron Rodgers era, so since he made his first
Speaker 1: start in two thousand and eight, are six eleven and one,
Speaker 1: averaging two hundred and eleven passing yards. Last quarterback to
Speaker 1: start for the Packers other than Rogers was Brett Hundley.
Speaker 1: He started nine games in twenty seventeen, went three and six.
Speaker 1: He was preceded by Matt Flynn went two and two,
Speaker 1: Scott Tolzine zero one and one, Seneca Wallace, oh and one,
Speaker 1: Flynn again in twenty eleven, want to know? And twenty
Speaker 1: ten and one. Yeah, the Packers are bringing Blake Bortles
Speaker 1: back to clipboard it for them, and Bortles on a
Speaker 1: golf course yesterday his phone to hit it right. Gotta go, guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think I can finish my eighteen holes here.
Speaker 1: So Blake Bordelais is coming in because their third string quarterback,
Speaker 1: well wait, is Blake Bortles now the second string quarterback? McLevin.
Speaker 1: I think he is. No. Actually, let's check because Kurt
Speaker 1: Bankert is, but he's out. He's definitely out. I think
Speaker 1: he's out with COVID unless he can double test to
Speaker 1: get back in. I'm not sure. All right, We'll check
Speaker 1: in with the Cleveland Browns. We'll see if we can
Speaker 1: get some answers here with O b J and Baker Mayfield,
Speaker 1: because I think both of these have a future that
Speaker 1: it's in well, it might be in doubt in Cleveland,
Speaker 1: at least one of them. We'll take a break back
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Speaker 1: stream us live on the Peacock app. The Saints are
Speaker 1: hoping to have Taysom Hill available for Sunday's game against
Speaker 1: the Falcons. He did practice on Wednesday. He took part
Speaker 1: in a portion of the practice that was open to
Speaker 1: the media. He missed the last two games with a concussion,
Speaker 1: and the Saints will then have to decide if it's
Speaker 1: him or Trevor Simeon taking over for Jamis Winston. Yesterday,
Speaker 1: at this time, the Odell Beckham story was sort of simmering.
Speaker 1: It's not simmering any longer. Mary Kay Cabot covers the Browns,
Speaker 1: a writer for Cleveland dot Com, The Plane Dealer, and
Speaker 1: a Browns analyst for wuk YC TV. Mary Kay, how
Speaker 1: would you sum up the last twenty four hours well,
Speaker 1: it's been really crazy. But I think when you trade
Speaker 1: for an Odell Beckham Junior, you have to plan that
Speaker 1: you might have a little bit of zany noss with
Speaker 1: the program that comes along with the immense talent that
Speaker 1: he is at times. But it's been stressful on everyone.
Speaker 1: It's been a difficult inside that building in Barrea. There's
Speaker 1: been a basically a firestorm going on in there, and
Speaker 1: it just needs a resolution. Okay, when is that resolution
Speaker 1: going to happen? You know, I think it might take
Speaker 1: a little time, but I do think that Odell Beckham
Speaker 1: Junior has played his last ball for the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 1: I really think the only thing left to do is
Speaker 1: figure out some kind of an exit plan. Whether that
Speaker 1: is a settlement that requires some money given back, or
Speaker 1: whether it require you know, it takes an outright release,
Speaker 1: whatever it is, I think it's over. Was Obj that
Speaker 1: the facility yesterday, No, he was not. He was told
Speaker 1: to stay home yesterday, and the same thing has happened today.
Speaker 1: He really is no longer a part of the team.
Speaker 1: And again his agent is talking to Brown's GM Andrew Berry,
Speaker 1: and they're basically just trying to work out some kind
Speaker 1: of an arrangement where he is no longer playing football
Speaker 1: for the Browns. How long has this been building? Well,
Speaker 1: you know, I think he came into this season really
Speaker 1: committed to helping this team win and ready to go.
Speaker 1: He rehabbed from the torn acl and he was a
Speaker 1: good teammate and just the good citizen all the way up,
Speaker 1: I think, pretty much until he got one target against
Speaker 1: the Steelers in that fifteen ten loss for six yards,
Speaker 1: one catch for six yards in a game in which
Speaker 1: they scored ten points, and he was on the field
Speaker 1: for forty three snaps, so it wasn't like he wasn't
Speaker 1: out there. So I think that was it. I think
Speaker 1: his camp basically just said, forget it, we're done. We've
Speaker 1: got to get you out of here, and that's what happened.
Speaker 1: But I wonder, and I don't know if you can
Speaker 1: tell us, does he think that Baker Mayfield is avoiding
Speaker 1: him on purpose on the football field or does he
Speaker 1: think Baker Mayfield is just inept? Well, I think it's
Speaker 1: probably a mixture of And I don't know if Odell
Speaker 1: per Se feels us, but I feel like his sort
Speaker 1: of his camp, his inner circle believes obviously we know
Speaker 1: this from what his dad posted that Baker wasn't going
Speaker 1: to Odell at times when he was open, and I
Speaker 1: also think that they believe that, you know that Odell
Speaker 1: would fare better with a higher caliber quarterback. I'm wondering,
Speaker 1: if you put this to a fan vote, do you
Speaker 1: want to resign Baker Mayfield to a long term contract
Speaker 1: of Max Stel? Where are you going to pay him
Speaker 1: at least forty million dollars? What do you think the
Speaker 1: Cleveland fans would vote? You know what, I think that
Speaker 1: the Cleveland fans are still, for the most part, behind
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield, and I think that the Browns still believe
Speaker 1: that he is their quarterback of the future. At least
Speaker 1: that's the vibe I have been getting over the past
Speaker 1: month or so that they really still believe in him
Speaker 1: and feel like there have been some extenuating circumstances this season,
Speaker 1: injuries on the part of Baker and those around him.
Speaker 1: Do you believe that he's the future? You know what?
Speaker 1: I wonder sometimes if he is or not. I'm not
Speaker 1: as convinced as I was maybe at the end of
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen. But still, here's the thing. The receiving Corps
Speaker 1: hasn't really necessarily done an amazing job this year. I mean,
Speaker 1: Odell has been a non factor, Jarvis has been out
Speaker 1: of the lineup most of the time. Kareem Hunt is gone.
Speaker 1: I'm not ready to pass any judgment on Baker Mayfield
Speaker 1: this season until I can see him out there with
Speaker 1: a whole compliment around him. He hasn't had again Kareem Hunt,
Speaker 1: Jarvis O'Dell. Not one game has he had that whole
Speaker 1: offense around it. How close did the Browns come to
Speaker 1: trading Odell Beckham at the trade deadline. I don't think
Speaker 1: they came really close, because you know, he still has
Speaker 1: about seven million dollars left that he's owed this season,
Speaker 1: and I just don't really think anybody was willing to
Speaker 1: pick that up or could pick that up. There aren't
Speaker 1: that many teams that have that kind of cap space
Speaker 1: andicapped this team second half of the season within their
Speaker 1: own division. As far as just making it to the playoffs, well,
Speaker 1: you know it's going to be really tough because of
Speaker 1: what those Cincinnati Bengals are doing. And this game on
Speaker 1: Sunday is enormous and you can hear Kevin Stefanski talking
Speaker 1: about it in terms of we're desperate and our lives
Speaker 1: depend on it. I think the Browns have got to
Speaker 1: use this really as a rallying cry. I think it's
Speaker 1: time for Baker Mayfield to show who he is and
Speaker 1: what he is as a leader and really kind of
Speaker 1: lead this team to the playoffs. They can still do it.
Speaker 1: They've got five division games left. You've got the Ravens
Speaker 1: coming up twice here, yes, so you know they have
Speaker 1: the opportunity to do it. But they're going to have
Speaker 1: to dig deep and somehow this team is going to
Speaker 1: have to really turn it around and find the passing
Speaker 1: game that's basically non existent right now. Thank you, Mary Kay.
Speaker 1: We appreciate your time as always, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: Mary Kay Cabot, the Browns beat writer for Cleveland dot Com,
Speaker 1: the Plane Dealer, and a Browns analyst for wuk YC TV.
Speaker 1: They've got the Bengals at the Bengals, they are at
Speaker 1: the Patriots, they got the Ravens home and away. Obviously,
Speaker 1: now you do have the Lions coming up, but you
Speaker 1: need to have one of those exhale games like okay,
Speaker 1: now we're okay a little bit here, but if you
Speaker 1: don't have a running game, well they don't have either
Speaker 1: right now. And the offensive line that's a mess injuries.
Speaker 1: You know, it's tough to go. Okay, we'll just get
Speaker 1: better quickly, you know, with Patrick Mahomes, you hope the
Speaker 1: offensive line gets better. They cut down on their penalties.
Speaker 1: You still have Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelcey, like you know,
Speaker 1: all fails. We still have a great quarterback and we
Speaker 1: have a Hall of Fame tight end and we have
Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill. Browns don't have that. They don't have that luxury.
Speaker 1: And you go into these games. People thought Cleveland was
Speaker 1: a super Bowl caliber team. Now they might be. The
Speaker 1: question is when do you get healthy? How healthy do
Speaker 1: you get? And you know, where do you stand with
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh beat you at home this game against the Cincinnati Bengals.
Speaker 1: You know, the Ravens, the Patriots are a playoff quality team.
Speaker 1: Like it gets tricky here and you start, you know,
Speaker 1: you start looking at these games. Start this season. You
Speaker 1: got seventeen games and then it's like nine games left
Speaker 1: and then you're thinking where did that for? You know,
Speaker 1: where did the first half of that season go? Yeah, Paul, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Browns win wins this year. Our verse, the Texans,
Speaker 1: the Bears, the Vikings in a close one, and the
Speaker 1: Broncos in a three point game. Those are their wins
Speaker 1: this year. None of them are impressive. Bengals, Patriots, you
Speaker 1: go in too, and then you're at the Lions, which
Speaker 1: is obviously easier, but it must win and back to
Speaker 1: back Ravens didn't the Vikings miss a chip shot and
Speaker 1: that's how Cleveland won that game? Is that that game? Well,
Speaker 1: it could be a variety of games with the Vikings
Speaker 1: with a field goal kicker missing a chip shot. But
Speaker 1: one thing for Baker, this is some good defense. This
Speaker 1: is the defenses you want to see. The Ravens are
Speaker 1: pretty bad right now. They're getting torched every day, and
Speaker 1: the Bengals will look bad. Last week, the Lions look bad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is it. Do you think Baker could turn this around? Okay,
Speaker 1: gave him a running game, Say the running game gets
Speaker 1: a little healthier. They they've already had run their backup
Speaker 1: running back, so they have two their third string running
Speaker 1: back and it's been great. So that's not the years
Speaker 1: de Ernest Johnson. I mean it comes down to can
Speaker 1: they pass the ball when they need to pass the ball.
Speaker 1: You know, the club, the Steelers are pretty nasty though.
Speaker 1: That's one thing that's a pretty good defense. I feel
Speaker 1: like Baker just he can he can turn around this week. Cincinnati,
Speaker 1: what do you say, I don't know talking about a
Speaker 1: team that you don't know what a Cincinnati. Is it
Speaker 1: the team that was leading the AFC or is that
Speaker 1: team last Well? I don't think they're a let's you know,
Speaker 1: count on the Bengals leading the AFC. But I do
Speaker 1: think they're competitive weekend and week out, and they haven't
Speaker 1: always been that. We know that. It feels like they're
Speaker 1: more than just Joe Burrow. Now you bring in Jamar Chase.
Speaker 1: I think the defense has been kind of slapped together
Speaker 1: and done a pretty good job for the most part
Speaker 1: this year. Mixon is a good running back. You know.
Speaker 1: My whole thing was if you protect Joe Burrow, he's
Speaker 1: going to keep you in games. I mean, he's a
Speaker 1: really he's a really talented quarterback. From a stand point
Speaker 1: of numping flusters you, and it should when you're playing
Speaker 1: for the Bengals. You would think it would, but it doesn't.
Speaker 1: You know, you watch Jared Golf with the Lions. It
Speaker 1: doesn't look comfortable at all. Joe Burrow was playing with
Speaker 1: the Bengals, and he looked great last year until he
Speaker 1: got hurt. He wasn't afraid. And you know, when you're
Speaker 1: looking for a franchise quarterback, it's when you're down. What
Speaker 1: do you do when you're down? Like this one? I
Speaker 1: want to know with Baker Mayfield. Okay, now, let's see
Speaker 1: what you got. When it's going well, it's like, man,
Speaker 1: that guy is awesome. Well, when it's not going well,
Speaker 1: that's what you want to know. And that's what I
Speaker 1: want to find out from Baker Mayfield these next couple
Speaker 1: of games. Yeah, Dan at Bengals. Bandwagon got huge. October
Speaker 1: twenty fourth, they beat Baltimore forty one seventeen, and all
Speaker 1: the Monday articles were like, this is the Bengals, the
Speaker 1: Bengals better than the Browns, blah blah blah. And then
Speaker 1: they go they lose to New York at against Oh,
Speaker 1: we're so phony, you know in the media, you know, hypocritical.
Speaker 1: It's like everybody thinks, they, hey, I told you, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I've told you a lot of things where I go, yeah,
Speaker 1: I shouldn't have told you. You know, we want to
Speaker 1: be out in front of it and with the Bengals, man,
Speaker 1: it was a wonderful moment, great game, you know, impressive win.
Speaker 1: But you know, then you have to win the games
Speaker 1: that you're expected to win. Sometimes you win the games
Speaker 1: that you're not expected to win because that team you're
Speaker 1: facing is already looking past you. You know, the Ravens
Speaker 1: learned the hard way. It's like, oh my god, wait
Speaker 1: a minute, here we're in trouble. And then they get
Speaker 1: blown out. The Bengals go into the Jets game and
Speaker 1: they didn't think Mike Mike White could beat them vanilla defenses.
Speaker 1: They weren't putting pressure on him. And then next thing
Speaker 1: you know, you're like, Mike White is Joe Montana and
Speaker 1: you're going, oh my god, wait what just happened? You
Speaker 1: lost to the Jets. Jesse in La Hi, Jess, what's
Speaker 1: on your mind today? Hey? DP, Hey, but hey, So,
Speaker 1: as a Packer fan, I'm not that surprised given Roger's
Speaker 1: new hairstyle and an approach to things. But I'm at
Speaker 1: the Tony Tony Romo level frustrated and disappointed in the
Speaker 1: Rogers and the organization. Not for the choice in vaccination,
Speaker 1: because you know, we know that's a personal choice. However,
Speaker 1: I believe they both had to be covering us up,
Speaker 1: and it's something that puts other people at risk, as
Speaker 1: you said, So as an HDP, that's kind of my
Speaker 1: take on that. But the real reason I'm calling is
Speaker 1: I did see something yesterday completely off topic that I
Speaker 1: had to do a double take because I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 1: But if you queue up the Ron Burgundy stat of
Speaker 1: the day music, I'd love to give it to you.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, Seaton, you have Ron Burgundy, here we go,
Speaker 1: stat of the day, stat of the day, be stat
Speaker 1: of the day, stat of the day? He comes that?
Speaker 1: What stat of the day? Each of the first four
Speaker 1: teams in the Coach Ball Playoffs, if it were to
Speaker 1: stay as is, would have head coaches that are either
Speaker 1: Nick Saban or someone that coach under Nick Saban, while
Speaker 1: had Obama broth tide bus stat of the day stad
Speaker 1: here comes that one, Paulie, do you have this day?
Speaker 1: In sports history? Momentarily okay um nineteen seventy six, Major
Speaker 1: League Baseball holds its first mass market free agency reentry draft,
Speaker 1: Don Baylor, Rally Fingers, Bobby Gritch, Dave Cash sal Bando,
Speaker 1: basically most of the Oakland A's Gary Matthews, Don Gullet,
Speaker 1: Wayne Garland. Players could be drafted by a maximum of
Speaker 1: twelve teams, then negotiate a contract with the player. The
Speaker 1: Mariners in Blue Jays were excluded from the draft they
Speaker 1: were expansion teams. The Reds opted not to participate. The
Speaker 1: only team not to draft the right to a single
Speaker 1: player that was nineteen seventy six, Yes, got a few.
Speaker 1: Nineteen sixty, Wilt Chamberlain with Philadelphia said an NBA record
Speaker 1: when he missed all ten of his free throws, all
Speaker 1: ten in one game. So wait, just because he the
Speaker 1: only guy'd ever missed. No one had ever gone o
Speaker 1: game before nofense. Nineteen seventy three, the Chicago Bears at
Speaker 1: an NFL record when they held Greenway Packers to minus
Speaker 1: twelve passing That never happens with the Bears. Packers right
Speaker 1: have thrown it in there. Oh. Nineteen ninety four, the
Speaker 1: San Antonio Spurst season opener was delayed for fifteen minutes
Speaker 1: when a fireworks display during the opening triggered the sprinkler
Speaker 1: system at the Alamodome. I think you were on Sports
Speaker 1: Center for that one. I think I was. I think
Speaker 1: I was. Yeah. Here's one from mclove and two thousand
Speaker 1: and one. Randall Cuttingham achieved thirty thousand career passing yards
Speaker 1: and oh, this is no offense. Nate Newton, former Dallas Cowboy,
Speaker 1: was arrested in Louisiana after police found blank pounds of
Speaker 1: marijuana in his van. Who can guess closest of the
Speaker 1: whole how many pounds of weed did Nate Newton have
Speaker 1: in the Uh, let me go to Seaton first. That's
Speaker 1: not fair. I'm gonna say ten. No. I thought Seaton
Speaker 1: looked like he had the answer. Oh, expert witness, though
Speaker 1: really I wouldn't think that an expert witness. And I like,
Speaker 1: whatever pounds we are trafficking, we go on remote and
Speaker 1: people are always trying to slip Seaton joints and that
Speaker 1: is a fact. And he goes, I got like four
Speaker 1: joints here. People would keep handing me like you know
Speaker 1: how you do it in a way that you don't
Speaker 1: think you're being obvious, but you're being obvious, Like you know,
Speaker 1: somebody backhands you something. You're going, I can't smoke these? Yeah,
Speaker 1: well it's a very it's a very nice gest. Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go one hundred pounds of weed with me,
Speaker 1: you're closer, okay. And he's a big guy, Nate new
Speaker 1: And I think it was three seventy two hundred pounds
Speaker 1: of weed. Thirteen pounds. But that's that's good though. That
Speaker 1: mean you didn't get caught with like a pound and
Speaker 1: a half. Yeah, that's a waste of time. Yeah, two
Speaker 1: hundred and thirteen pounds. Yes. We worked with Nate Newton
Speaker 1: for one year at ESPN. And he walked over to
Speaker 1: the McDonald's and he picked up food and he walked
Speaker 1: back and the bill was there. He had two bags
Speaker 1: of McDonald's, yes, and the bill was twenty seven dollars.
Speaker 1: He spent McDonald's. And I looked at me like, oh man,
Speaker 1: I'm good. I didn't want anything. I didn't get you
Speaker 1: any I was for himself. He got twenty seven dollars.
Speaker 1: I did really like Nate, you know, I haven't talked
Speaker 1: to him in years, but he was a really good
Speaker 1: guy and he had great stories and he was a
Speaker 1: fun guy, good team player. I'll tell you what, if
Speaker 1: I was Nate Newton right now, I'd be pissed. Well
Speaker 1: with the new laws, Yeah, now you could just go
Speaker 1: to the corner and pick up two hundred and thirteen pounds.
Speaker 1: A wead if you want, can you get two hundred
Speaker 1: and thirteen pounds? I think there is there a cap Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think they do cap it. Yeah, but the store
Speaker 1: at the corner, they've got two hundred and thirteen pounds.
Speaker 1: They're just getting tax right. I have a friend who
Speaker 1: is in New York and he said, everybody's smoking pot
Speaker 1: and I said yeah. He goes like, are you allowed
Speaker 1: to just down the street and smoke pot? And I
Speaker 1: go yeah, pretty much, and he goes, yeah, I'm I'm shocked.
Speaker 1: I'm just walking around and everywhere I go you smell
Speaker 1: pot and go yeah, yeah, that's uh, that's what's going
Speaker 1: on here, all right. The results of the poll question, McLevin,
Speaker 1: are we done with it? Yeah? Who's the most overcovered
Speaker 1: player in the NFL? It's right away Odell Beckham Junior
Speaker 1: fifty one percent, then Baker second, a Roge third. I
Speaker 1: don't think. I don't think that OBJ is the most overcovered. Well,
Speaker 1: he just hasn't produced, can be. I would say Baker
Speaker 1: is more overcovered. You know, he's covered more than OBJ.
Speaker 1: And he's overcovered if you look at what he's producing
Speaker 1: on the field. But OBJ has been hurt for so
Speaker 1: long that he hasn't done anything. Yeah, I mean it's
Speaker 1: been basically on and off for four years though, Yeah,
Speaker 1: see on and off for four years? Are you talking
Speaker 1: about Baker Odell Odell he's been he's been sidelined. I'm sure. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, shots are fired. All right, we'll take a break,
Speaker 1: class call for phone calls. What we learned, what's in
Speaker 1: store tomorrow? We're gonna try to accomplish all of that next.
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Speaker 1: you get or podcast from. I mentioned this when the
Speaker 1: Mike Tomlins story came out a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 1: I said, there are a lot of names on a
Speaker 1: lot of wish lists for jobs, and I said, one
Speaker 1: name that's going to be on a lot of list
Speaker 1: is Kellen Moore. He's the offensive coordinator for the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 1: It came out that he could be on the shortlist
Speaker 1: to replace Gary Patterson at TCU. But Kellen Moore is
Speaker 1: going to be on some other lists as well. But
Speaker 1: this is how it works. You just put out, hey,
Speaker 1: what about let's take a run at this guy? You
Speaker 1: never know. Dion Sanders name is also coming up emerging
Speaker 1: for TCU as well. It's how it works, you know.
Speaker 1: I felt bad for Gary Patterson because he made that
Speaker 1: football program relevant for a couple of decades. They did
Speaker 1: want him to stay on and he didn't want to.
Speaker 1: I mean, he knew that they wanted to move on.
Speaker 1: I know the last couple of years were not high
Speaker 1: quality years or what we've come to expect, but and
Speaker 1: he did some great things there. He made them relevant
Speaker 1: and that's hard to do. TCU football. All right, let
Speaker 1: me see I get a couple of phone calls in here,
Speaker 1: Jeremy and Texas. Hey, Jeremy, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 1: So as a Browns fan, you know Baker is a future.
Speaker 1: You got to look at him before OBJ and current
Speaker 1: with OBJ. Think when over j came in, he had
Speaker 1: to feed him the ball so much. Jarvis Landry is
Speaker 1: the number one for that team. They were doing fine
Speaker 1: with Richard Higgins, with Landry and Dowd people Jones, you know,
Speaker 1: stick with them. Let OBJ go and then pick up
Speaker 1: where you left off two years ago before you got him.
Speaker 1: You'll be good. I don't win this, all right, Well,
Speaker 1: thank you, Jeremy. Yeah, I've said that. They It felt
Speaker 1: like they were a better team without Odell Beckham on
Speaker 1: the field. But they're a running team and that sets
Speaker 1: up the play action that takes a lot of pressure
Speaker 1: off of Baker Mayfield. I don't think you're asking Baker
Speaker 1: to win games for you. I think you manage I
Speaker 1: would ask him to manage a game. I don't want
Speaker 1: him to be a gun slinger. Now you might say,
Speaker 1: is that worth a max deal, And the answer is
Speaker 1: no in my opinion, no, But for this year and
Speaker 1: next year, let's see what we have and maybe if
Speaker 1: you haven't seen enough. But I think Kevin Stefanski, the
Speaker 1: head coach of the Browns, has been a good influence
Speaker 1: on Baker in kind of reducing that gun slinger mentality
Speaker 1: because that's what he was at Oklahoma and I don't
Speaker 1: think he has the capability of being that in the NFL.
Speaker 1: He's just not that kind of quarterback you might want
Speaker 1: to be in that kind of quarterback. But it feels
Speaker 1: like they're more successful when we run the ball and
Speaker 1: then we do play action. Yeah, Paul, it kind of
Speaker 1: way you're saying it. It kind of reminds me of
Speaker 1: Alex Smith his last year in Kansas City. Yeah, Alex
Speaker 1: Smith throw for four thousand yards, twenty six touchdowns and
Speaker 1: five picks and was replaced. And you can make the
Speaker 1: case at Alex Smith is not never a first round pick.
Speaker 1: He doesn't do a lot of commercials, but he was
Speaker 1: as good of a quarterback as Baker Mayfield is currently
Speaker 1: well he was number one pick overall. Well yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: but as far as he was no longer a hot topic,
Speaker 1: he was no longer if that guy could be replaced,
Speaker 1: anybody can. Yeah, but he was a number one overall pick,
Speaker 1: just like Baker Mayfield. But I think Alex Smith understood
Speaker 1: his role as a game manager. He didn't like me
Speaker 1: calling him that, but I think that he was really
Speaker 1: good at doing that. He could make plays, but I didn't,
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't think that they relied on him
Speaker 1: to win games. Yeah. Mcglob How do you like this comparison?
Speaker 1: Maybe it's a stretch, but Odell Beckham a little like
Speaker 1: Ben Simmons with the Sixers because they look really good
Speaker 1: without Simmons, although all the all the hype, like their
Speaker 1: offense is probably a little smoother their worst defensively, you know,
Speaker 1: like a guy who gets a lot of attention, but
Speaker 1: the team's not gonna be much worse without him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but Odell Beckham has been a star, like like, you know,
Speaker 1: big big star on the field. Ben Simmons is not.
Speaker 1: Ben Simmons has made the All Star team and been
Speaker 1: Defensive Player of the Year, but he hadn't been a star.
Speaker 1: Ob J was a star. It's almost as if he's
Speaker 1: a superhero who doesn't have all of his superpowers, Like
Speaker 1: he has a little bit of a beer gut, maybe
Speaker 1: a dad bod, still has his cape on, and then
Speaker 1: you know, but he thinks that he's still is able
Speaker 1: to kind of, you know, be an Avenger or something,
Speaker 1: and I don't think he is. And usually you're the
Speaker 1: last person to know that you're not what you once were,
Speaker 1: and he's getting to that. He's creeping towards that age
Speaker 1: of you might not be as explosive as you thought
Speaker 1: you were. You know, your separation speed might not be
Speaker 1: the same. I think wherever he goes, whoever that quarterback is,
Speaker 1: what role does he play? What's the relationship? Like, is
Speaker 1: it somebody that OBJ respects. I'm guessing he respected Eli
Speaker 1: because he knew Eli was going to be a future
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. He won a couple of Super Bowls.
Speaker 1: But if OBJ goes to another team and it doesn't
Speaker 1: work out, then OBJ has to like Obj is the problem.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if he's ever going to realize that.
Speaker 1: You know, terall Owens, as great as he was, TiO
Speaker 1: was part of his own problem. And I don't know
Speaker 1: if he ever understood that, because he would always blame
Speaker 1: his quarterbacks. Uh yeah, I'm club. How about Green Bay
Speaker 1: as a destination, so they have canceling distractions to get
Speaker 1: everybody off because they've always been flirting with adding a receiver.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they've mentioned him. I just worry.
Speaker 1: When you said New Orleans, I'm like, oh no, he's
Speaker 1: ob j gonna be okay with Trevor. I feel bad
Speaker 1: for those guys already hadn't even gone there. But if
Speaker 1: you go to Green Bay, Davante Adams is number one guy,
Speaker 1: he'd have to say I'm the two. You know, he
Speaker 1: have to He would have to acknowledge that Davante ad
Speaker 1: And I don't know if they're going to pick him up.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they can absorb. You know, do
Speaker 1: they have to pay any of that salary? Now? Might
Speaker 1: be Cleveland just says all right, we'll pay it. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, we got to get rid of you. I
Speaker 1: just don't know how you can bring him back. Don't
Speaker 1: know how he can walk in and go, hey, what's up, bick, Hey,
Speaker 1: what's up Bob ju Hey, how's your dad doing? Oh?
Speaker 1: Has he got any videos? Does he have any videos
Speaker 1: that show me actually doing well? I'd just be curious
Speaker 1: if maybe see if your dad is some videos. I
Speaker 1: think that final results of the poll question McLevin most
Speaker 1: overcovered our man O b J. Did we agree with
Speaker 1: that by the way, that he's just the most overcovered
Speaker 1: I kind of do, just because he really hasn't produced
Speaker 1: since he left New York in two thousand eighteen or seventeen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't like you said, He's very talented, but it's
Speaker 1: just been a while. Now. What was that the callers
Speaker 1: said about the Nick Saban family tree of all of
Speaker 1: these coaches, I think PAULI was that all four the
Speaker 1: final four teams right now are former Nick Saban coaches
Speaker 1: in Melt Tucker, Mayo, Christo Ball, Kirby Smart and h
Speaker 1: and obviously Saban in Alabama. I think they were all
Speaker 1: his staff at the same time a couple of years
Speaker 1: ago as well, because Kirby Smart was defensive coordinator, Mario
Speaker 1: Crystal Ball offensive line Lane Kiffin was an offensive coordinator there.
Speaker 1: Who were some of the malt Tucker was the assistant
Speaker 1: head coach and defensive back. He did one year in Alabama,
Speaker 1: That's right, I remember and he brought in Bill Bryan
Speaker 1: and Steve Arkisian, and you know he's been bringing in
Speaker 1: these guys. Yeah, impressive, But it's like those who coached
Speaker 1: with Bill Belichick don't usually beat Bill Belichick. Those who
Speaker 1: coach with Nick Saban usually don't beat Nick Saban. I
Speaker 1: think he's like random, whose favorite of Georgia and Alabama
Speaker 1: play in the title game? The SEC Title Game. I
Speaker 1: know it's so long from now. It's a neutral site,
Speaker 1: but it's in Atlanta. As impressive as Georgia is, don't
Speaker 1: you think the better still go history. I don't know
Speaker 1: that Georgia's defense, it would probably be a pretty small
Speaker 1: point spread. I don't know. We can find out. Pauli's
Speaker 1: in Las Vegas. We got a couple see if you
Speaker 1: know they if they do meet, Like are you saying now,
Speaker 1: if they did meet now in the SEC title game? Yeah,
Speaker 1: what would the line be? I would say Georgia Georgia
Speaker 1: by three maybe, But I you know, they crunch the
Speaker 1: numbers and they would probably look at a variety of
Speaker 1: things there. But yeah, Paulin, Yeah, there's some places that
Speaker 1: looked at it. We're gonna find a good one for tomorrow. Okay,
Speaker 1: what did you learn on the program? Todd Ross Tucker
Speaker 1: thinks Baker Mayfield and the Browns are better off without
Speaker 1: ob j Yeah. Mclovin, Tom Silver Signs should have saw
Speaker 1: it coming. He said there was something funny when Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers said he was immu guys, Yeah, I know you
Speaker 1: can look back, uh Setan, would you learn Baker Mayfield's
Speaker 1: not bad? Odell Beckham Junior would just be better with
Speaker 1: a better quarterback. Paulie silver Sign five PTSD What we
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