WEBVTT - 11/04/21 DPS Hour 3 Mary Kay Cabot 0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:03.480 You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 0:00:03.560 --> 0:00:06.559 Sports Radio Final Hour on this Thursday, Dan and The 0:00:06.600 --> 0:00:09.680 dan Z dan Patrick Show. Yesterday, at this time, the 0:00:09.800 --> 0:00:13.600 Odell Beckham Junior story was simmering with the Cleveland Browns. 0:00:14.080 --> 0:00:15.760 We didn't know if he was going to be cut 0:00:15.880 --> 0:00:18.640 or not. He was held out of practice. He's being 0:00:18.680 --> 0:00:20.640 held out of today's practice. We'll check in with the 0:00:20.680 --> 0:00:26.040 Browns coming up. Also, the Aaron Rodgers story exploded yesterday. 0:00:26.040 --> 0:00:29.560 At this time. Tom Pellicero was on us on with 0:00:29.640 --> 0:00:34.840 us about ten to fifty East Coast time, and then 0:00:35.200 --> 0:00:37.920 hung up with us and then broke the story that 0:00:38.000 --> 0:00:41.080 Aaron Rodgers had tested positive for COVID and would miss 0:00:41.120 --> 0:00:44.640 the game against the Kansas City Chiefs. Then it was okay, wait, 0:00:44.720 --> 0:00:48.080 we thought he was vaccinated. No, he's out out and 0:00:48.520 --> 0:00:52.600 might miss the following week against Seattle. Now we've had 0:00:53.000 --> 0:00:59.760 a windfall of opinions, stories, speculation, rumor innuendo. Team is 0:00:59.800 --> 0:01:02.160 not going to get in front of the media today. 0:01:02.280 --> 0:01:05.760 Aaron Rodgers probably would have in a normal week, but 0:01:05.880 --> 0:01:08.479 not going to do that, I don't think today. So 0:01:08.520 --> 0:01:12.280 we're left to wonder what's going to happen to Rogers. 0:01:12.560 --> 0:01:14.920 Is he going to be fined? Will he be suspended? 0:01:15.200 --> 0:01:17.399 What happens to the Packers? If you look at other 0:01:17.520 --> 0:01:24.080 organizations Denver, Denver was spanked, the Raiders, also the Titans, 0:01:24.920 --> 0:01:29.479 you've had, the Saints, they get fined substantially. And from 0:01:29.520 --> 0:01:31.680 what I was told by a source who's involved in this, 0:01:32.280 --> 0:01:36.520 that the Packers are going to be complicit in trying 0:01:36.520 --> 0:01:39.360 to cover this up, that they knew that Aaron was 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:44.040 not vaccinated, that he was immunized, And I just want 0:01:44.040 --> 0:01:46.800 to make sure that I let people know about this. 0:01:47.480 --> 0:01:51.320 The Center for Disease Control the CDC defines vaccination as 0:01:51.800 --> 0:01:54.520 the act of introducing a vaccine into the body to 0:01:54.680 --> 0:01:59.920 produce protection from a specific disease. It's definition for immune 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:03.880 zation is quote a process by which a person becomes 0:02:03.920 --> 0:02:13.400 protected against a disease through vaccination. Okay, it seems pretty 0:02:13.480 --> 0:02:16.720 close if you listen to that. Now, if you're not 0:02:16.800 --> 0:02:20.160 a doctor and you're not playing one on TV, and 0:02:20.200 --> 0:02:23.320 you remember the media, and you hear Aaron Rodgers say 0:02:24.360 --> 0:02:27.280 after he's well Seaton, would you play it? Because he 0:02:27.360 --> 0:02:30.720 does say yes to being vaccinated, but then says that 0:02:30.760 --> 0:02:36.120 he is immunized. Are you vaccinating? What your stance are vaccinations, Yeah, 0:02:36.160 --> 0:02:39.400 I've been any nice. You know, there's a lot of 0:02:40.639 --> 0:02:43.040 a lot of conversation around it around the league, and 0:02:43.080 --> 0:02:45.920 a lot of guys who have made statements and have 0:02:45.960 --> 0:02:50.840 made statements, owners who made statements. You know, there's guys 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:54.040 on the team that haven't vaccinated. I think it's a 0:02:54.080 --> 0:02:58.480 personal decision. I'm not going to judge those guys. So, now, 0:02:58.840 --> 0:03:02.200 does the NFL go in and get videotape of what 0:03:02.360 --> 0:03:06.040 goes on inside the Packers training facility? Do they see 0:03:06.040 --> 0:03:09.359 if Aaron Rodgers went through protocol? Because from what I'm 0:03:09.360 --> 0:03:12.440 told by Sours, the Packers are they're going to look 0:03:12.440 --> 0:03:15.160 into are they complicit in this? Did they allow Aaron 0:03:15.240 --> 0:03:20.360 Rodgers to sort of skirt some of the protocols here 0:03:20.560 --> 0:03:23.480 because it's Aaron Rodgers? Did he get special treatment here? 0:03:23.720 --> 0:03:26.200 Did they not want to upset Aaron Rodgers given what 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:28.880 happened during the offseason. Those are the things that are 0:03:28.919 --> 0:03:33.359 probably going to be investigated here, and Rodgers will probably 0:03:33.400 --> 0:03:38.600 be fined and don't rule out being suspended. Yeah. See, 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:41.040 I could see at the time when he made that 0:03:41.200 --> 0:03:45.360 statement that it just kind of sounded like he's using 0:03:45.400 --> 0:03:47.800 big words to like sort of show off, like that 0:03:47.880 --> 0:03:49.560 know it all kind of thing, you know, five dollar 0:03:49.640 --> 0:03:53.120 words like have you been vaccinated? I've been immunized. Yeah. 0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:56.560 You're like, oh, okay, fancy, but he says, yeah, have 0:03:56.680 --> 0:04:02.120 you been vaccinated? Yeah, And he says I've been immunized. 0:04:02.960 --> 0:04:06.800 Well that's not vaccinated. That's different. But I don't know, 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:10.480 if you know, going through this holistic approach that in 0:04:10.520 --> 0:04:12.760 his mind he thought, I'm raising my end of bodies 0:04:12.880 --> 0:04:16.160 and I'm I'm good to go. Well, you know, he 0:04:16.200 --> 0:04:18.920 did ask the NFL Players Association to see if he 0:04:18.960 --> 0:04:21.839 could get a special exemption that he didn't have to 0:04:21.839 --> 0:04:25.560 get vaccinated, that he had this holistic approach, and the 0:04:25.680 --> 0:04:28.839 NFL said no. But I don't know what happened after that. 0:04:29.360 --> 0:04:33.359 Did the packers know that he wasn't vaccinated, because he, 0:04:34.800 --> 0:04:37.880 you know, filed this petition and basically to say, hey, 0:04:37.920 --> 0:04:40.880 can I can I still be able to go into 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:43.240 the facility? Can I still do my job? Do I 0:04:43.279 --> 0:04:44.560 have to wear a mask? Do I have to be 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:46.960 tested every day? How often do I have to be tested? 0:04:48.200 --> 0:04:51.120 That's what I think the NFL, the NFL Players Association 0:04:51.600 --> 0:04:54.560 are going to try to find out here soon yeah, Paul. 0:04:54.720 --> 0:04:56.200 I went back and watched a little bit at August 0:04:56.240 --> 0:04:58.520 twenty six presscouts of Aaron Rodgers, and there were a 0:04:58.600 --> 0:05:00.640 lot of other topics they were asked king about. That 0:05:00.680 --> 0:05:02.839 was not a prime topic. They were still dealing with 0:05:02.920 --> 0:05:06.080 offseason stuff and bringing Randall Cobb and all the other 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:09.520 you know, football stuff, So it wasn't like he was talked. 0:05:09.800 --> 0:05:11.320 They didn't talk about a lot, so it wasn't a 0:05:11.320 --> 0:05:13.440 big red flag, probably for the local media. But it 0:05:13.760 --> 0:05:18.320 feels deceitful that you know you're not vaccinated. This is 0:05:18.400 --> 0:05:22.280 semantics that you're playing with here, and that's not fair 0:05:22.279 --> 0:05:27.400 to your teammates. That's not fair. Other players get sick, 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:34.640 other players families, and unless everybody knew that he wasn't vaccinated. 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:38.440 But if you're going to a Halloween party or you're 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:41.760 hanging out with teammates and you're not wearing a mask here, 0:05:42.279 --> 0:05:44.200 you know, then it's different. And that's why I was 0:05:44.240 --> 0:05:47.000 told the NFL may come down on hard on Aaron 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:50.520 Rodgers because of this. Yes, my club, if you're the 0:05:50.760 --> 0:05:53.960 Packers management, are you gonna say Aaron will pay the fine, 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:56.560 We'll do anything. Would you bet over backwards just to 0:05:56.560 --> 0:05:58.800 try and make this off season more productive for them. 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:02.680 I thought this was interesting about Matt Lafloor, the head 0:06:02.680 --> 0:06:06.200 coach yesterday. The question is in here with the head coach, 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:09.159 there's been a couple of players who only talked spoken 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:10.800 to us to be a zoom or the course of 0:06:10.800 --> 0:06:13.279 the season. Obviously Aaron has fucked us in person. I 0:06:13.360 --> 0:06:15.800 never's even with a mask. Has he skirted the rules 0:06:15.800 --> 0:06:18.960 at altering us? Yeah? Again, you guys are trying to, 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:21.160 in a roundabout way, trying to get me the answer 0:06:21.279 --> 0:06:24.520 whether or not the guy who's vaccinated or I'm vaccinated, 0:06:24.600 --> 0:06:28.240 and I'm not gonna I'm not going there. He basically said, 0:06:28.440 --> 0:06:31.799 you know, you gotta ask Aaron. Got to ask Aaron 0:06:32.560 --> 0:06:36.200 because now your head coach is trying to answer. And 0:06:36.400 --> 0:06:39.400 if I'm Matt Lafloor, I'm like, I'm not getting close 0:06:39.440 --> 0:06:42.760 with this. But I did wonder, you know, did they 0:06:42.800 --> 0:06:46.520 hop on the grenade here management and say, hey, you 0:06:46.600 --> 0:06:48.800 know what this is on us? We thought that uh, 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:51.679 you know, he had been cleared. Whatever it is, whatever 0:06:51.720 --> 0:06:56.080 your rationale is. But I think this is a really 0:06:56.400 --> 0:07:01.360 interesting crossroads for Rogers and the Packers. No, what did 0:07:01.360 --> 0:07:07.080 they do? What do they say, how's Rogers react to this? 0:07:08.400 --> 0:07:10.960 You know, the bigger picture too with the team itself, 0:07:11.040 --> 0:07:13.200 is you got a big game against Kansas City, Jordan 0:07:13.280 --> 0:07:16.800 Love thrown into action here. Then you got Seattle. You're 0:07:16.840 --> 0:07:19.280 trying to get home field advantage. There was nothing to 0:07:19.320 --> 0:07:23.200 talk about in green Bay after the Saints game. Everybody 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:25.600 had a thought on Green Bay and Aaron Rodgers and 0:07:25.640 --> 0:07:28.360 he didn't show up offseason workouts and he's going through 0:07:28.360 --> 0:07:30.840 the motions. He doesn't want to be there. Then all 0:07:30.880 --> 0:07:33.720 of a sudden, they start winning. Then they beat the Cardinals, 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:39.320 don't even have Davante Adams. All's well, everything's good. Then 0:07:39.400 --> 0:07:42.760 this now what happens? What if you lose the next 0:07:42.760 --> 0:07:48.680 two games Kansas City and Seattle? You were the clubhouse 0:07:48.760 --> 0:07:52.240 leader from home field advantage. But I think there's a 0:07:52.240 --> 0:07:55.680 lot more to the story. At least it feels like 0:07:56.200 --> 0:07:59.480 from the source that I spoke to this morning, did 0:07:59.600 --> 0:08:04.560 speak to somebody about Odell Beckham and did he play 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:08.280 this perfectly? And I went, okay, I'm all ears. And 0:08:08.840 --> 0:08:13.320 my source said that he thinks Odell Beckham wanted to 0:08:13.360 --> 0:08:19.160 be released, that it was after the trade deadline, and 0:08:19.240 --> 0:08:21.840 therefore if they release him. They have to pay him, 0:08:21.880 --> 0:08:23.680 then he can pick who he wants to go to 0:08:24.400 --> 0:08:26.960 his choice, not we're going to get rid of you. 0:08:27.080 --> 0:08:29.840 This is the best offer we had. He might be 0:08:29.880 --> 0:08:33.040 able to dictate. He's going to get paid, and he's 0:08:33.080 --> 0:08:34.640 going to be able to go where he wants to go. 0:08:35.960 --> 0:08:38.880 And from what I was told, hey, it would make 0:08:38.920 --> 0:08:41.560 sense for New Orleans. Michael Thomas is out for the year. 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:45.560 They need a go to wide receiver, and he played 0:08:45.600 --> 0:08:49.240 his college ball at LSU. So that's just some of 0:08:49.280 --> 0:08:52.800 the information that I've received so far this morning. We 0:08:52.840 --> 0:08:55.199 haven't heard anything else. There's nothing new, but we will 0:08:55.280 --> 0:08:57.800 check him with the Cleveland Browns because OBJ is not 0:08:57.840 --> 0:09:01.440 practicing again today. I just don't know how he goes 0:09:01.679 --> 0:09:05.320 back into that locker room, how he goes into that huddle. 0:09:07.240 --> 0:09:10.839 And I think OBJ is saying, I don't want to 0:09:10.840 --> 0:09:14.640 be here. And we did look at the video that 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:17.640 his dad co signed on and said, hey, here's eleven 0:09:17.679 --> 0:09:22.400 minutes and look, my son's open. Now I don't know 0:09:22.400 --> 0:09:25.720 who made the video, but you know OBJ didn't come 0:09:25.760 --> 0:09:28.920 out and say, hey, you know, Baker's still my guy. 0:09:29.160 --> 0:09:33.600 He didn't. He didn't say anything. So OBJ is probably saying, hey, 0:09:33.800 --> 0:09:37.120 I'll co sign on that absolutely, Dad, go get him. 0:09:38.480 --> 0:09:40.400 But you hold him out of practice. You hold him 0:09:40.400 --> 0:09:45.320 out of practice again today, and I'm gonna guess Obj 0:09:45.640 --> 0:09:48.960 is not going to play another game for the Cleveland Browns. Yeah, poet. 0:09:49.160 --> 0:09:51.240 Sports parents are kind of fascinating because you at a 0:09:51.280 --> 0:09:53.880 young age you back your kid or some sports parents 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:56.600 are rational, some sports parents aren't. And if he hears 0:09:56.600 --> 0:09:58.480 you know, Odell Beckham's dad seems like a yeah, I 0:09:58.480 --> 0:09:59.800 don't know, we don't know what that's thinking about it, 0:09:59.840 --> 0:10:01.880 but he put this video out to defend his son 0:10:01.960 --> 0:10:03.560 or give his side of it, and he might be 0:10:03.600 --> 0:10:06.319 totally right, but it'd be funny if you like. It's 0:10:06.360 --> 0:10:09.080 interesting to see how parents can get over zealous. And 0:10:09.160 --> 0:10:13.520 it happens from age five to age thirty. Yeah, not 0:10:13.600 --> 0:10:18.480 inserting yourself, but over defending or properly defending defending how looks. 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:21.520 But but it feels like it's just this generation where 0:10:21.559 --> 0:10:25.720 the parents are overly involved. I can't imagine like twenty 0:10:25.800 --> 0:10:29.120 years ago, thirty years ago, where all of a sudden, 0:10:29.320 --> 0:10:32.520 you know, somebody's dad is going to get involved and uh, 0:10:32.640 --> 0:10:34.920 you know take two. Well, they didn't have social media 0:10:34.960 --> 0:10:39.880 back then. Yes, ask Archie Manning. He was certainly he did, Yeah, 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:43.079 he did. He wanted to make sure that his son 0:10:43.120 --> 0:10:44.520 didn't go to the Charger. They had to use the 0:10:44.600 --> 0:10:46.360 media the old fashioned way. When he didn't want to 0:10:46.400 --> 0:10:49.080 go to the Chargers. He leaked it out there without 0:10:49.240 --> 0:10:51.400 what's keeping it away from Eli. Eli's not saying I 0:10:51.440 --> 0:10:56.160 don't want to go, yeah, the family saying it. Yeah. 0:10:56.200 --> 0:10:59.559 But for the most part, you know, look at a 0:10:59.559 --> 0:11:04.760 Lonzo Ball his situation, LaMelo. His dad haven't heard from 0:11:04.800 --> 0:11:07.160 his dad too much, which is great because I said, 0:11:07.240 --> 0:11:10.000 let these kids grow up to be men, let them 0:11:10.040 --> 0:11:15.839 handle whatever adversity they have. If you know, Lonzo doesn't 0:11:15.840 --> 0:11:18.920 work out in New Orleans, okay, great, let's see what 0:11:19.000 --> 0:11:23.320 he does now. Now he's in Chicago, LaMelo, you know, 0:11:23.360 --> 0:11:26.280 a circuitous route to the NBA. But he's doing really well. 0:11:26.520 --> 0:11:28.400 By the way, that was must see TV for me 0:11:28.520 --> 0:11:34.040 last night, the Hornets against Golden State. It's fun and 0:11:34.800 --> 0:11:37.560 Lonzo is the reason, LaMelo is the reason why you're 0:11:37.559 --> 0:11:43.360 watching the Hornets. He's got tune in factor. But I man, 0:11:43.480 --> 0:11:48.360 Golden State, if Clay Thompson is ninety percent of Clay Thompson, 0:11:49.120 --> 0:11:51.480 I still think Golden State's the team to beat in 0:11:51.559 --> 0:11:56.679 the West. I did wonder what Kyrie Irving must think 0:11:56.720 --> 0:12:00.920 about Aaron Rodgers situation. It just, you know, I just thought, 0:12:00.920 --> 0:12:04.240 I wonder what you know, or Carson Wentz thinks, or 0:12:04.920 --> 0:12:09.280 Kirk d Cousins thinks, because you know, we blasted them. 0:12:09.280 --> 0:12:11.080 But they did come out and say, look, we don't 0:12:11.080 --> 0:12:14.280 want to be vaccinated for whatever reason. I think Kirk 0:12:14.360 --> 0:12:19.480 D Cousin said, you know, for religious reasons. Okay, Kyrie 0:12:19.559 --> 0:12:24.240 willing to sit out. Okay. They at least owned this. 0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:29.400 Aaron didn't own it. It was sort of cryptic there, 0:12:30.080 --> 0:12:33.720 and I think that's where it feels deceitful and where 0:12:33.720 --> 0:12:36.120 people have a problem with it all. Right. By the way, 0:12:36.440 --> 0:12:39.760 here is a Baker Mayfield talking about Obj's dad posting 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:44.800 a video hurt No, surprised, Yes, yeah, I think there's 0:12:44.840 --> 0:12:47.960 there's different things that, you know, play a factor into it. 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:51.680 I've had conversations with his dad before, man to man, 0:12:51.679 --> 0:12:55.800 face to face, and I was pretty surprised by the video, 0:12:56.040 --> 0:12:58.760 and you know the intentions and the feelings behind it. 0:12:59.280 --> 0:13:01.520 I'd be lying if I said otherwise. But hurt No, 0:13:01.920 --> 0:13:06.720 I'm good, Okay, what kind of conversations did. I don't 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:08.720 know if somebody said, what kind of conversations did you 0:13:08.760 --> 0:13:12.400 have with Obj's dad? Who initiated those? Because that would 0:13:12.440 --> 0:13:15.320 have been my question if I was there in the 0:13:15.360 --> 0:13:19.960 media room, and I'd still want to know what was thinking. 0:13:19.960 --> 0:13:21.520 Now he might say, no, I'm going to keep that 0:13:21.559 --> 0:13:27.280 private here. But I don't know. Aaron Rodgers is going 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:30.680 to miss this game. The Green Bay backup quarterbacks in 0:13:30.720 --> 0:13:33.560 the Aaron Rodgers era, so since he made his first 0:13:33.559 --> 0:13:36.400 start in two thousand and eight, are six eleven and one, 0:13:37.000 --> 0:13:40.680 averaging two hundred and eleven passing yards. Last quarterback to 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:44.000 start for the Packers other than Rogers was Brett Hundley. 0:13:44.520 --> 0:13:47.440 He started nine games in twenty seventeen, went three and six. 0:13:48.320 --> 0:13:50.840 He was preceded by Matt Flynn went two and two, 0:13:51.800 --> 0:13:57.680 Scott Tolzine zero one and one, Seneca Wallace, oh and one, 0:13:58.520 --> 0:14:02.320 Flynn again in twenty eleven, want to know? And twenty 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:06.160 ten and one. Yeah, the Packers are bringing Blake Bortles 0:14:06.200 --> 0:14:09.280 back to clipboard it for them, and Bortles on a 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:14.760 golf course yesterday his phone to hit it right. Gotta go, guys. Yeah, 0:14:14.800 --> 0:14:17.520 I don't think I can finish my eighteen holes here. 0:14:17.720 --> 0:14:22.120 So Blake Bordelais is coming in because their third string quarterback, 0:14:22.240 --> 0:14:27.280 well wait, is Blake Bortles now the second string quarterback? McLevin. 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:30.880 I think he is. No. Actually, let's check because Kurt 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:34.440 Bankert is, but he's out. He's definitely out. I think 0:14:34.480 --> 0:14:36.280 he's out with COVID unless he can double test to 0:14:36.320 --> 0:14:38.360 get back in. I'm not sure. All right, We'll check 0:14:38.400 --> 0:14:40.080 in with the Cleveland Browns. We'll see if we can 0:14:40.080 --> 0:14:44.240 get some answers here with O b J and Baker Mayfield, 0:14:44.520 --> 0:14:47.080 because I think both of these have a future that 0:14:47.160 --> 0:14:49.800 it's in well, it might be in doubt in Cleveland, 0:14:49.840 --> 0:14:51.840 at least one of them. We'll take a break back 0:14:51.880 --> 0:14:55.680 after this from the Dan Patrick Show. 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Be sure to 0:15:26.360 --> 0:15:29.320 catch us live every weekday morning nine until noon eastern 0:15:29.360 --> 0:15:32.160 six to nine Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, and you 0:15:32.200 --> 0:15:35.920 can find us on the iHeartRadio app at FSR, or 0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:39.200 stream us live on the Peacock app. The Saints are 0:15:39.200 --> 0:15:42.240 hoping to have Taysom Hill available for Sunday's game against 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:46.680 the Falcons. He did practice on Wednesday. He took part 0:15:46.720 --> 0:15:49.080 in a portion of the practice that was open to 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:51.720 the media. He missed the last two games with a concussion, 0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:55.280 and the Saints will then have to decide if it's 0:15:56.000 --> 0:16:01.200 him or Trevor Simeon taking over for Jamis Winston. Yesterday, 0:16:01.240 --> 0:16:04.160 at this time, the Odell Beckham story was sort of simmering. 0:16:05.320 --> 0:16:08.720 It's not simmering any longer. Mary Kay Cabot covers the Browns, 0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:11.720 a writer for Cleveland dot Com, The Plane Dealer, and 0:16:11.960 --> 0:16:16.880 a Browns analyst for wuk YC TV. Mary Kay, how 0:16:16.880 --> 0:16:21.040 would you sum up the last twenty four hours well, 0:16:21.320 --> 0:16:23.920 it's been really crazy. But I think when you trade 0:16:23.960 --> 0:16:26.800 for an Odell Beckham Junior, you have to plan that 0:16:26.880 --> 0:16:30.320 you might have a little bit of zany noss with 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:33.120 the program that comes along with the immense talent that 0:16:33.200 --> 0:16:37.720 he is at times. But it's been stressful on everyone. 0:16:37.840 --> 0:16:42.200 It's been a difficult inside that building in Barrea. There's 0:16:42.240 --> 0:16:45.320 been a basically a firestorm going on in there, and 0:16:46.560 --> 0:16:50.240 it just needs a resolution. Okay, when is that resolution 0:16:50.280 --> 0:16:52.840 going to happen? You know, I think it might take 0:16:52.880 --> 0:16:55.680 a little time, but I do think that Odell Beckham 0:16:55.760 --> 0:16:58.480 Junior has played his last ball for the Cleveland Browns. 0:16:58.640 --> 0:17:01.000 I really think the only thing left to do is 0:17:01.080 --> 0:17:03.880 figure out some kind of an exit plan. Whether that 0:17:04.040 --> 0:17:07.760 is a settlement that requires some money given back, or 0:17:07.800 --> 0:17:10.600 whether it require you know, it takes an outright release, 0:17:10.920 --> 0:17:15.320 whatever it is, I think it's over. Was Obj that 0:17:15.520 --> 0:17:19.320 the facility yesterday, No, he was not. He was told 0:17:19.320 --> 0:17:22.800 to stay home yesterday, and the same thing has happened today. 0:17:23.440 --> 0:17:25.800 He really is no longer a part of the team. 0:17:26.200 --> 0:17:30.480 And again his agent is talking to Brown's GM Andrew Berry, 0:17:30.520 --> 0:17:33.200 and they're basically just trying to work out some kind 0:17:33.240 --> 0:17:36.440 of an arrangement where he is no longer playing football 0:17:36.480 --> 0:17:40.520 for the Browns. How long has this been building? Well, 0:17:40.560 --> 0:17:43.000 you know, I think he came into this season really 0:17:43.040 --> 0:17:45.760 committed to helping this team win and ready to go. 0:17:46.000 --> 0:17:49.800 He rehabbed from the torn acl and he was a 0:17:49.840 --> 0:17:54.040 good teammate and just the good citizen all the way up, 0:17:54.240 --> 0:17:58.159 I think, pretty much until he got one target against 0:17:58.200 --> 0:18:01.159 the Steelers in that fifteen ten loss for six yards, 0:18:01.160 --> 0:18:03.000 one catch for six yards in a game in which 0:18:03.040 --> 0:18:05.160 they scored ten points, and he was on the field 0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:07.320 for forty three snaps, so it wasn't like he wasn't 0:18:07.320 --> 0:18:09.800 out there. So I think that was it. I think 0:18:09.800 --> 0:18:13.520 his camp basically just said, forget it, we're done. We've 0:18:13.600 --> 0:18:15.919 got to get you out of here, and that's what happened. 0:18:16.119 --> 0:18:18.120 But I wonder, and I don't know if you can 0:18:18.160 --> 0:18:21.920 tell us, does he think that Baker Mayfield is avoiding 0:18:22.000 --> 0:18:24.119 him on purpose on the football field or does he 0:18:24.240 --> 0:18:30.280 think Baker Mayfield is just inept? Well, I think it's 0:18:30.320 --> 0:18:35.920 probably a mixture of And I don't know if Odell 0:18:36.000 --> 0:18:38.120 per Se feels us, but I feel like his sort 0:18:38.119 --> 0:18:41.480 of his camp, his inner circle believes obviously we know 0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:45.160 this from what his dad posted that Baker wasn't going 0:18:45.160 --> 0:18:47.359 to Odell at times when he was open, and I 0:18:47.440 --> 0:18:50.959 also think that they believe that, you know that Odell 0:18:51.000 --> 0:18:55.800 would fare better with a higher caliber quarterback. I'm wondering, 0:18:55.800 --> 0:18:57.639 if you put this to a fan vote, do you 0:18:57.680 --> 0:19:01.879 want to resign Baker Mayfield to a long term contract 0:19:01.880 --> 0:19:03.239 of Max Stel? Where are you going to pay him 0:19:03.240 --> 0:19:05.439 at least forty million dollars? What do you think the 0:19:05.520 --> 0:19:09.720 Cleveland fans would vote? You know what, I think that 0:19:09.760 --> 0:19:12.080 the Cleveland fans are still, for the most part, behind 0:19:12.119 --> 0:19:16.119 Baker Mayfield, and I think that the Browns still believe 0:19:16.160 --> 0:19:18.680 that he is their quarterback of the future. At least 0:19:18.680 --> 0:19:21.199 that's the vibe I have been getting over the past 0:19:21.680 --> 0:19:24.200 month or so that they really still believe in him 0:19:24.640 --> 0:19:28.800 and feel like there have been some extenuating circumstances this season, 0:19:28.960 --> 0:19:32.280 injuries on the part of Baker and those around him. 0:19:32.480 --> 0:19:36.800 Do you believe that he's the future? You know what? 0:19:37.400 --> 0:19:42.240 I wonder sometimes if he is or not. I'm not 0:19:42.359 --> 0:19:45.000 as convinced as I was maybe at the end of 0:19:45.359 --> 0:19:50.600 twenty eighteen. But still, here's the thing. The receiving Corps 0:19:51.119 --> 0:19:55.080 hasn't really necessarily done an amazing job this year. I mean, 0:19:55.119 --> 0:19:58.040 Odell has been a non factor, Jarvis has been out 0:19:58.040 --> 0:20:01.240 of the lineup most of the time. Kareem Hunt is gone. 0:20:02.080 --> 0:20:05.200 I'm not ready to pass any judgment on Baker Mayfield 0:20:05.520 --> 0:20:07.959 this season until I can see him out there with 0:20:08.119 --> 0:20:11.600 a whole compliment around him. He hasn't had again Kareem Hunt, 0:20:11.840 --> 0:20:15.080 Jarvis O'Dell. Not one game has he had that whole 0:20:15.080 --> 0:20:18.240 offense around it. How close did the Browns come to 0:20:18.320 --> 0:20:21.439 trading Odell Beckham at the trade deadline. I don't think 0:20:21.440 --> 0:20:23.560 they came really close, because you know, he still has 0:20:23.600 --> 0:20:26.399 about seven million dollars left that he's owed this season, 0:20:26.680 --> 0:20:28.560 and I just don't really think anybody was willing to 0:20:28.560 --> 0:20:30.480 pick that up or could pick that up. There aren't 0:20:30.480 --> 0:20:32.520 that many teams that have that kind of cap space 0:20:32.680 --> 0:20:35.959 andicapped this team second half of the season within their 0:20:36.000 --> 0:20:40.560 own division. As far as just making it to the playoffs, well, 0:20:40.600 --> 0:20:42.359 you know it's going to be really tough because of 0:20:42.359 --> 0:20:44.800 what those Cincinnati Bengals are doing. And this game on 0:20:44.880 --> 0:20:48.680 Sunday is enormous and you can hear Kevin Stefanski talking 0:20:48.720 --> 0:20:51.080 about it in terms of we're desperate and our lives 0:20:51.160 --> 0:20:53.920 depend on it. I think the Browns have got to 0:20:54.119 --> 0:20:56.120 use this really as a rallying cry. I think it's 0:20:56.160 --> 0:20:58.600 time for Baker Mayfield to show who he is and 0:20:58.680 --> 0:21:00.680 what he is as a leader and really kind of 0:21:00.760 --> 0:21:02.879 lead this team to the playoffs. They can still do it. 0:21:03.400 --> 0:21:06.760 They've got five division games left. You've got the Ravens 0:21:06.840 --> 0:21:10.359 coming up twice here, yes, so you know they have 0:21:10.440 --> 0:21:12.560 the opportunity to do it. But they're going to have 0:21:12.560 --> 0:21:14.600 to dig deep and somehow this team is going to 0:21:14.640 --> 0:21:16.440 have to really turn it around and find the passing 0:21:16.480 --> 0:21:19.680 game that's basically non existent right now. Thank you, Mary Kay. 0:21:19.680 --> 0:21:22.639 We appreciate your time as always, thanks for having me. 0:21:22.800 --> 0:21:26.200 Mary Kay Cabot, the Browns beat writer for Cleveland dot Com, 0:21:26.240 --> 0:21:30.520 the Plane Dealer, and a Browns analyst for wuk YC TV. 0:21:31.240 --> 0:21:34.160 They've got the Bengals at the Bengals, they are at 0:21:34.160 --> 0:21:37.560 the Patriots, they got the Ravens home and away. Obviously, 0:21:38.200 --> 0:21:40.760 now you do have the Lions coming up, but you 0:21:40.880 --> 0:21:44.560 need to have one of those exhale games like okay, 0:21:45.119 --> 0:21:48.760 now we're okay a little bit here, but if you 0:21:48.800 --> 0:21:51.000 don't have a running game, well they don't have either 0:21:51.160 --> 0:21:55.480 right now. And the offensive line that's a mess injuries. 0:21:56.880 --> 0:21:59.160 You know, it's tough to go. Okay, we'll just get 0:21:59.240 --> 0:22:02.639 better quickly, you know, with Patrick Mahomes, you hope the 0:22:02.720 --> 0:22:05.960 offensive line gets better. They cut down on their penalties. 0:22:06.119 --> 0:22:09.840 You still have Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelcey, like you know, 0:22:10.000 --> 0:22:12.919 all fails. We still have a great quarterback and we 0:22:13.000 --> 0:22:15.119 have a Hall of Fame tight end and we have 0:22:15.240 --> 0:22:18.560 Tyreek Hill. Browns don't have that. They don't have that luxury. 0:22:19.240 --> 0:22:22.520 And you go into these games. People thought Cleveland was 0:22:22.520 --> 0:22:26.399 a super Bowl caliber team. Now they might be. The 0:22:26.480 --> 0:22:29.399 question is when do you get healthy? How healthy do 0:22:29.440 --> 0:22:33.080 you get? And you know, where do you stand with 0:22:33.800 --> 0:22:38.120 Pittsburgh beat you at home this game against the Cincinnati Bengals. 0:22:38.600 --> 0:22:42.280 You know, the Ravens, the Patriots are a playoff quality team. 0:22:42.400 --> 0:22:46.040 Like it gets tricky here and you start, you know, 0:22:46.080 --> 0:22:48.320 you start looking at these games. Start this season. You 0:22:48.400 --> 0:22:53.040 got seventeen games and then it's like nine games left 0:22:53.400 --> 0:22:54.960 and then you're thinking where did that for? You know, 0:22:55.040 --> 0:22:57.840 where did the first half of that season go? Yeah, Paul, Yeah, 0:22:57.880 --> 0:23:00.720 the Browns win wins this year. Our verse, the Texans, 0:23:01.160 --> 0:23:04.080