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Speaker 1: The NFL calendar has broken up into segments. Now we're

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Speaker 1: in the playoff segment, actually heading for the divisional playoff round.

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Speaker 1: The Chiefs unfortunately not in there for the first time

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Speaker 1: in ten years. So the chief Kingdom is in the

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Speaker 1: pivot mode. And that's what we will explore in this

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Speaker 1: edition of Defending the Kingdom, and of course every Defending

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Speaker 1: the Kingdom brought to you by Ticketmaster. My homes in

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Speaker 1: the pocket will step up, you'll scrabble ten fides diving

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Speaker 1: touchdown Chansas City. Hi, everyone, I've bet to hold his

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Speaker 1: voice to the Chiefs along with senior team reporter Matt McMullen,

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Speaker 1: and we are here to talk about the pivot, not

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Speaker 1: an NBA pivot or a basketball pivot in the lane.

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Speaker 1: It is glancing back briefly, maybe a little more than

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Speaker 1: briefly at twenty twenty five, but really looking ahead to

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six. I don't know how you spent your weekend,

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Speaker 1: but I was captivated by the playoff games. I think

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Speaker 1: I've watched almost every snap of every game, and it

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Speaker 1: just you know, when you're in the weeds like us,

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Speaker 1: the opponent. You don't get to look at the league globally. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: oh my gosh. Other than the final game of the weekend,

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Speaker 1: every game was decided by four points or less all

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Speaker 1: time NFL record. But you saw when coach says got

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Speaker 1: the parody in this league is crazy. We saw it

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Speaker 1: manifested over Saturday, Sunday and Monday night.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we sure did. And you know, we'll talk about

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Speaker 2: areas we think this team can improve over the next

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Speaker 2: several months to make sure something like this season doesn't

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Speaker 2: happen again next season. But I think the areas that

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Speaker 2: we're going to talk about we're on full display this

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Speaker 2: And that's an explosive running game, right. A lot of

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Speaker 2: these playoff teams have explosive running games. I think about

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Speaker 2: a third down efficiency on both sides of the ball.

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Speaker 2: Look at Houston against Pittsburgh. Houston's speed on defense really

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Speaker 2: back really impressive, right, and the Chiefs have been that before.

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Speaker 2: We got to find a way to get back to

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Speaker 2: that and also with the explosiveness with the running games.

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Speaker 2: So we'll talk about it, but I was thinking about

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Speaker 2: watching these playoff games, thinking these areas that some of

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Speaker 2: these teams are finding a lot of success. That's where

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Speaker 2: maybe we struggled this year. That's why I think we're

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to also dive into one of my

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Speaker 1: big thesis points where the league has changed, primarily twenty

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Speaker 1: four and twenty five. It's just camouflaged and it proved itself.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people were on social say and we

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Speaker 1: heard what you had said and your thesis, and we're

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Speaker 1: seeing this in front of our eyes. We just haven't

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Speaker 1: it was remarkable. And think about Houston. They turned the

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Speaker 2: Their offense did them no favors. The defense scored two touchdowns.

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Speaker 1: Unbelieve it's yeah, but I'm gonna get to this. They're

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Speaker 1: I guess it's the pivot. Yeah, we're pivoting to a

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Speaker 1: And it's interesting, no chief has ever won zero. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: looking back at twenty twenty five. You've alluded to it some.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we saw it in the playoffs. We saw

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Speaker 2: We did a good job of that. What it does

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you go to cause another part of

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Speaker 2: But what happened is, I'll give those teams credit. They

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Speaker 1: And I'm going to take the other side of this.

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Speaker 2: of time, and set ourselves up for a run of

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Speaker 2: success that hopefully lasts another seven eight years.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: So that's how I'm looking at this. It's a great

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Speaker 2: opportunity for the chiefs, the front office, the coaching staff,

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Speaker 2: and the players to reset a little bit, to fix

438
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Speaker 2: the things that went wrong, the things that we're talking about,

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Speaker 2: and to go on another run. And I have full

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Speaker 2: confidence in the people here to get that done. Like

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Speaker 2: you said, we're not laying out these things to be negative.

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Speaker 2: We're seeing them like, Hey, these are the issues that

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Speaker 2: are correctable. We believe in the people here to correct

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Speaker 2: those issues, and hopefully this time next year we're talking

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Speaker 2: about a playoff runt.

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Speaker 1: Who's the guy across the street that's your neighbor that

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Speaker 1: fixes everything, Jeff shout out, Jeff, Yeah, Jeff, this would

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Speaker 1: be your car. The engine lights on and your wife's going, hey,

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Speaker 1: better not drive it. The work. You've got to get

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Speaker 1: to work in ten minutes. I've got to do dutwok.

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Speaker 1: And then you take it over to Jeff and he

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Speaker 1: does the diagnostics and he goes, oh, we got to

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Speaker 1: fix this, this, this, and this, but he fixes.

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Speaker 2: Can kind of give you a great example like this,

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Speaker 2: actually this actually happened. This kind of thing happens all

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Speaker 2: the time. Is so I live in an older home

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Speaker 2: and my h vacuing in it is on like a

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Speaker 2: concrete slab like out on on the side of the house.

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Speaker 1: And those are great usually great pores of concrete that lasts, Oh,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, five hundred years.

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Speaker 2: I mean this is poor in probably nineteen, yeah, seventy five,

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't think there's any rebar in there either.

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Speaker 2: Probably not. And it's you know, it's kind of slanting.

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Speaker 2: And I think I was a slick Well that's the thing.

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Speaker 1: It was like slant listing at thirty degree support.

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Speaker 2: And I was like trimming the weeds in the side

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Speaker 2: of my house. And I feel him walking over and

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Speaker 2: he's like hey, Matt, and I was like hey, and

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Speaker 2: he's like, your your Your hvac's kind of slanting, but

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Speaker 2: we're going to fix it. And he had like a

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Speaker 2: like a big concrete brick form and he puts it

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Speaker 2: under sure and he's like, good as new. That's what

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Speaker 2: we're talking about right here. The system was good, just

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Speaker 2: needed to get it, you know, fixed.

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Speaker 1: A little bit engine lights on cheese Kingdom. Yeah, do

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Speaker 1: the diagnostics take a look at it and get it fixed.

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Speaker 1: That's what we're dealing with. Let me take this a

479
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Speaker 1: step further, so the scoring drives allowed, scoring drives allowed.

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Speaker 1: The Chiefs are making everybody work to score, but they're scoring. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So they were twenty ninth in the league. The average

482
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Speaker 1: scoring drive. This isn't a drive. This is a scoring drive,

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Speaker 1: either field goal or touchdown. The Chiefs were twenty ninth

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Speaker 1: eight point eight one plays, but the Chiefs were last

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Speaker 1: in that it was four minutes and twenty five seconds

486
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Speaker 1: and the team still scored. So that's not getting off

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Speaker 1: the field. When you can get off the field and

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Speaker 1: then ten plays scoring efficiency against the Chiefs, a ten

489
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Speaker 1: play drive and you still score. How efficient are you

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Speaker 1: on the ten play drive? The Chiefs were the fourth worst.

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Speaker 1: So to me, again this is just a point that

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Speaker 1: we're both making, is you could get to eleven and

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Speaker 1: six on this stattlee.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I really do think that football, at the

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Speaker 2: end of the day, is one up front, and when

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Speaker 2: you're looking at some of these defens numbers, these issues

497
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Speaker 2: on third down, it boils down to defensive line, and

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Speaker 2: I think defensive line is an area the Chiefs could

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Speaker 2: address this offseason, whether that be through free agency or

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Speaker 2: the draft. Defensive line is an emphasis area both that edge,

501
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Speaker 2: maybe getting some speed there, but also at defensive tackle,

502
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Speaker 2: where you look at the course of the season, losing

503
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Speaker 2: Omar Norman lot early in the year turned out to

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Speaker 2: be a pretty big deal just because we did not

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Speaker 2: have a lot of bodies there. Chris Jones is getting

506
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Speaker 2: triple teamed and you just have to have bodies you

507
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Speaker 2: can rotate ind who can create pressure up front at

508
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Speaker 2: defensive tackle. And we bring on Mike Panell late in

509
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Speaker 2: the year. We know it Mike can do but a

510
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Speaker 2: big part of some Super Bowl teams.

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Speaker 1: But by the fact nat he was with the Jets.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think that's an area the Chiefs could

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Speaker 2: address where we just need to get more explosive there

514
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Speaker 2: at defensive tackle and at defensive end. And you look

515
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Speaker 2: at some of these teams across the league, Denver comes

516
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Speaker 2: to mind. They just have guy after guy after guy.

517
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Speaker 2: They're rotating in there. Houston obviously, but so many of

518
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Speaker 2: these teams like great pass rushes. We've got to get

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Speaker 2: more pressure and the Chiefs. I look back at like

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, that Chief's defense in twenty twenty three

521
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Speaker 2: was really really good, right, and it began with their

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Speaker 2: pass rush. So defensively, if we're talking about.

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Speaker 1: Who's ever played here, Oh, I unbelieving on that seven

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Speaker 1: game stretch where you look like Pro Bowl.

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Speaker 2: Stripsack on Lamar Jackson and it was coming from all

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Speaker 2: these different places. That's an area that I think the

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Speaker 2: Chiefs could address this offseason again through free agency or

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Speaker 2: the draft or both, just really trying to invest in

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Speaker 2: the defensive front.

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Speaker 1: Did you just send me this email on my surface

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Speaker 1: about running backs explosive and explosive interior alignment in the draft.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's got to take over our life here over

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Speaker 2: the next day.

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Speaker 1: We'll get to that. We're not in this episode, but

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Speaker 1: we do still have our spy out there. How long

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Speaker 1: have we hadn't employed out there? We can't.

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Speaker 2: He's been out there behind enemy lines for months and

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Speaker 2: months and months.

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Speaker 1: It's a little rough on MA, don't know how much

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Speaker 1: how much.

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Speaker 2: Food or care package going his way?

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Speaker 1: Hopefully it's a drone right above yard and it's gonna

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Speaker 1: drop it down. You get some water and some MRIs,

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Speaker 1: which is military for military ready to eat. We'll send

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Speaker 1: that to you and drop it to you. But we

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Speaker 1: can either do that or we can check in with

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Speaker 1: our spy as let's check in with Ari Wolf.

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Speaker 3: Hello to everyone, and welcome to a playoff edition of

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Speaker 3: Out West. I am joined by two of my favorite

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Speaker 3: football minds, Mitch Holtis and Matt McMullen. Gentlemen, appreciate you

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Speaker 3: spending some time with me. So it's the playoffs. We

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Speaker 3: don't have the Chiefs, and that is a huge bomber.

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Speaker 3: It seems sort of like an out of body experience

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Speaker 3: to not be talking about the Chiefs. But the playoffs

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Speaker 3: go on and there's lots to talk about. This segment

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Speaker 3: has focused on the AFC West throughout the season, so

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Speaker 3: I thought there was one AFC West team, so let's

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Speaker 3: start with them. The Chargers went to Foxborough. It didn't

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Speaker 3: come as a huge surprise, but they got to be

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Speaker 3: pretty soundly nineteen to three on Sunday night. Herbert had

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Speaker 3: a tough night through for one hundred and fifty nine

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Speaker 3: yards off and didn't have much going. So let's take

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Speaker 3: a little broader look at the Chargers. So we're done

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Speaker 3: with year two of Jim Harbaugh. This is Tuesday afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Greg Roman has been fired, Mike devil In, their offensive

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Speaker 3: line coach has been fired. Justin Herbert is now zero

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Speaker 3: to three in the playoffs, and frankly, all three performances

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Speaker 3: I think he would even admit have not been good enough.

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Speaker 3: So what do we think of the Chargers as we

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Speaker 3: look at the AFC West going into the future. Are

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Speaker 3: you guys bullish that Harball is going to find the

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Speaker 3: right combination or the Chargers work in progress? Matt, let's

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Speaker 3: start with you. What's your take on the future for

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Speaker 3: the Los Angeles Chargers.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's a tough break for their offensive line coach,

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Speaker 2: isn't it. I mean not his fault. They lost Alton

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Speaker 2: Slater and MS Pipkins for a while and we're down

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Speaker 2: to like their third stringers at tackle. You know, it's interesting.

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Speaker 2: I think there's gonna be a lot of questions about

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Speaker 2: Herbert moving forward, and I think when you're a player

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Speaker 2: of his caliber, like we all agree, he's a very

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Speaker 2: good quarterback and can get his team to the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, what really matters

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Speaker 2: at that position is can you win playoff games and

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Speaker 2: make plays in big moments. And the reality for Herbert

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Speaker 2: so far as he has come up short in those

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Speaker 2: playoff games. So I think they're in a tough spot

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Speaker 2: where you have a team that obviously is playoff caliber,

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Speaker 2: but you can't fast forward to these playoff games and

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Speaker 2: try to get that moment for Herbert. So do they

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Speaker 2: have a season next year where they're thinking too much

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Speaker 2: about coming through in the playoffs and they don't even

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Speaker 2: make it there. That would be my concern for the Chargers,

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Speaker 2: and as a Chiefs fan, I certainly hope that happens,

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Speaker 2: but it could be an interesting thing to watch, where

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Speaker 2: does Herbert start thinking too much about the lack of

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Speaker 2: playoff success and does that hurt his career in the

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Speaker 2: short term. We'll see.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you can't be worried about legacy early in your carrd.

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Speaker 3: So let's pose it to Mitche. Okay, you're a prognosticator.

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Speaker 3: You're on the stock market. You can either buy the

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Speaker 3: Chargers right now or sell the Chargers. What do you

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Speaker 3: tell in Chief Kingdom about the future for the Chargers.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to that stock alone. Here's where I'm going.

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Speaker 1: This is about six sixth grade Missus Leonard and Roxley Barnes.

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Speaker 1: And here's why hear me out. I had a battle

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Speaker 1: ax sixth grade. One of my sixth grade teachers was

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Speaker 1: Missus Leonard Roxy Barnes could do no wrong. If she

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Speaker 1: got a bad grade on a test, it was like, well,

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Speaker 1: you didn't do that badly, you can do better next time.

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Speaker 1: I would have the same score, and it's like, what

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Speaker 1: are you doing? What are you doing? So the grading

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Speaker 1: scale for the Chargers to me has seemed like it's

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Speaker 1: been pretty light over the years. And I don't know

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Speaker 1: if it's because they're oh right across the Causeway from

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Speaker 1: NFL network or what, but this to me is a

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Speaker 1: crushing loss to them, and to or to fire Greg Roman,

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Speaker 1: to me, is a bigger deal than you think. Jim

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Speaker 1: Harbaugh has wanted to bring the Ravens to the AFC West.

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Speaker 1: He's wanted to bring the Michigan Wolverines, the old Stanford Cardinal,

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Speaker 1: this San Diego Torrero's he wants to bring that to

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Speaker 1: the West, and he got pummeled in this game. And

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Speaker 1: it goes back ari to one of my thesis points,

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Speaker 1: and I've actually made it on this podcast. Things are

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Speaker 1: happening in this league right under our nose, and we're

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Speaker 1: not recognizing it because it's camouflaged, and that is we

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Speaker 1: are playing. And Harbaugh's right in the middle of this.

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Speaker 1: He was second I think in the league in time

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Speaker 1: of possession. He wants to play it really close and tight,

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Speaker 1: don't turn it over, play to your defense. Let Twoey

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Speaker 1: Polout two go crazy and Khalail Mack and Durwin James Junior,

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Speaker 1: and then we'll win games twenty one to eighteen. Until

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Speaker 1: you play a game like the other day and you

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Speaker 1: get absolutely just destroyed, and so that makes you think

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Speaker 1: and reconfigure everything, including your quarterback and your personnel. So

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Speaker 1: the fact that he fired Greg Rahman to me is

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Speaker 1: I don't know where they're at, to be quite honest.

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Speaker 1: So if my investor calls me and goes, what do

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Speaker 1: you think of this stock, well, let's look at something

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Speaker 1: else right now?

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Speaker 3: Fair enough? I like that, all right. I wanted to

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Speaker 3: talk about a few of the games from this past weekend,

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Speaker 3: and then we'll talk about the games coming up this weekend,

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Speaker 3: and then we're also going to have some awards. All

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Speaker 3: of us are going to have our end of the

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Speaker 3: Year awards, MVP and a few other ones. So, first

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Speaker 3: one to talk about the Panthers. It was the opening

648
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 3: game of the playoff weekend. I thought Bryce Young and

649
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 3: the Panthers sort of played above their heads. I mean,

650
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 3: they gave the Rams all they can handle. My number

651
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 3: one takeaway from the game was what Matthew Stafford said

652
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 3: in the huddle before the game winning drive. And He's like,

653
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 3: let's go snatch their hearts right out of him, super

654
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 3: cold blooded. But isn't that what you want? But is

655
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 3: that something you'd expect Patrick Mahomes to also say. So,

656
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 3: Stafford to me is the guy right now. He's to

657
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 3: be the best quarterback currently in the field. That win

658
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 3: is a win to get you into the heart of

659
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 3: the playoffs in the divisional round, They're gonna have to

660
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 3: win on the road the whole way. What'd you guys

661
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 3: make of the Rams performance in Charlotte.

662
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 2: Kind of felt like they showed up thinking they're gonna win,

663
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 2: and the Panthers were playing like a team that had

664
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 2: nothing to lose. But in the end. The Rams, being

665
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 2: as talented as they are, they made the plays when

666
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 2: they had to. And pretty cool for Stafford to say

667
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 2: that in the huddle after the season that he's had

668
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 2: where through for over forty five touchdowns. I think he

669
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 2: led the league in passing yards. Just an unbelievable season

670
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 2: for him. I think his best season as a pro,

671
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 2: and that's saying something. And in that moment for him

672
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 2: to lead a game winning drive like that when the

673
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 2: Panthers had all the momentum in the world and again

674
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 2: nothing to lose, while the Rams had everything to lose,

675
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 2: pretty cool he was able to lead them through that.

676
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 2: I do wonder even though I think the Rams this

677
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 2: year were the best team in football, I do wonder

678
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 2: if they've made this bed for themselves where it's going

679
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 2: to be really tough for them to get to the

680
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 2: super Bowl and win it. Just playing on the road

681
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 2: the whole way. We've seen it happen before, hasn't happened

682
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 2: often though. We'll see if they can do it, but

683
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 2: first tests for them, they passed it close. I thought

684
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 2: the Panthers a guy to do it there for a minute,

685
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 2: but respect for the Rams. We'll see if they can

686
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 2: keep it going.

687
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: This felt like a cat playing with a mouse in

688
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: the corner, some kid playing with this food. I even

689
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: so I thought, well, they're gonna mess out a lot

690
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: like math, They're going to mess around enough ra that

691
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 1: they could goof this up. But then they're like, nah,

692
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: we'll just go win it right here. And why do

693
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 1: I see Matt Stafford is I don't even know. I'm

694
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 1: not cool enough to think of. Is it Van Diesel

695
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 1: or like Dwayne Johnson with their shirt off going, let's

696
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: just go take their heart up like this. This is

697
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 1: Matt Stafford standing above Billy Graham Parkway with their shirt off, going,

698
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: let's just take their heart out and home. That's so

699
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: they're the most comprehensive team in the league. I think

700
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: they just happened to the misfortunate of playing in the

701
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: best division this league has seen in a while, and

702
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: they've got to do it on the road, which would

703
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 1: be tough. But if they're the one team that's out

704
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 1: of my thesis of the top nine time of possession teams,

705
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: they're not because they have a little more of a

706
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: high powered offense, but they've got a decent defense wrecked

707
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: a really good defense. So if there's any team that

708
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 1: could pull it off as a wild card at Serams.

709
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 3: All right, now, I want to talk about the Bears

710
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 3: and the Packers. They meet again. They rarely played in

711
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 3: the playoffs. I grew up in Madison, Wisconsin, so I

712
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 3: was sort of right in between the two places. I

713
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 3: know how intense the rivalry is. Packers look great for

714
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,239
Speaker 3: most of the game. The Bears not only did they

715
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 3: look bad, but I actually thought the way Caleb was

716
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 3: acting on the sideline was awful. He was pouting, he

717
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 3: was yelling at guys, but it didn't look constructive. They

718
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 3: looked like a complete mess. Well, fast forward to the

719
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 3: end of the game, just like the Bears have done

720
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 3: all year, he turns it on and Caleb Williams looked

721
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 3: like a Hall of Famer in the fourth quarter. They

722
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 3: come back there down eighteen points. They beat their rivals.

723
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 3: And this season where I feel like the Bears were

724
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 3: the NFC version of the Broncos. We kept questioning are

725
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 3: they really any good? Well, the Bears in this game

726
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 3: both looked terrible and then at the end of the

727
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 3: game looked amazing. Caleb Williams has proven though, I think

728
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 3: that he belongs as a legit quarterback who can lead

729
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 3: a team in big moments. It was a great atmosphere

730
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 3: at Soldier Field. Would you guys take away from that

731
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 3: and what did you guys think of Caleb's play?

732
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty amazing because that stadium was going nuts when

733
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 2: the game began, right, I mean, they haven't hosted a

734
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 2: playoff game there in quite a while. But then the

735
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 2: Packers go on this early scoring barrage and it's twenty

736
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 2: one to three or whatever, and they keep showing all

737
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 2: the Bears fans in the stands and they all look

738
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 2: just so sad, you know, like they were so excited,

739
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 2: like this was their moment, this was their opportunity. They're

740
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 2: going to go beat the Packers, They're going to advance

741
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 2: in the playoffs, and they're going to be there to

742
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 2: see it first home playoff win in a long time.

743
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,399
Speaker 2: And you could just see the pain in their faces right.

744
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,959
Speaker 2: Well for the Bears, who are an overall pretty young team,

745
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 2: a team that hasn't kind of experienced a lot of

746
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 2: success against the Green Bay Packers on the other side,

747
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 2: to come together and to find a way to win

748
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 2: that game is really cool. I first give a lot

749
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,320
Speaker 2: of credit to the Bears defense. The Bears defense in

750
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 2: the second half was awesome, Like how they made the

751
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 2: adjustments to prevent Green Bay from doing hardly anything in

752
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 2: the second half when they were moving the ball at

753
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 2: will in the first half, and they opened the door

754
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 2: for the Bears offense to make something happen. And you know,

755
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,879
Speaker 2: in the context of our conversation about Herbert earlier, again

756
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 2: we all agree Herbert is a really good player. But

757
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 2: the reality is in the games that matter the most,

758
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 2: he has not made plays. Caleb has had an up

759
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 2: and down season. At times he looks great. Other times

760
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,280
Speaker 2: you're like, I don't know, but the guy made plays

761
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 2: when it mattered most. You know, that fourth down, I mean,

762
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 2: just incredible plays when it matters most. And that's what

763
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 2: great quarterbacks are defined by. So I have all the

764
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 2: respect in the world for Caleb right now for going

765
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 2: out there and in a situation that seemed pretty dire,

766
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 2: to make some big time plays and big moments against

767
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 2: your hated rival and to advance in the playoffs. It's

768
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 2: pretty cool to me. That's what playoff football is all about.

769
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 3: It is one quick thing, that fourth down play. The

770
00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 3: only other guy I think can make that throw actually

771
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 3: is Mahomes right the way his body was contorted and

772
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 3: be able to put the loft on it? Like I

773
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 3: was thinking, what other quarterback in league cold make that throw?

774
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 3: And the only guy could come up with was Mahomes

775
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 3: And I I'm sure you guys remember when Kayla was

776
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 3: coming out, there was a lot of comparisons and he

777
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 3: was like Mahomes, which I didn't like that comparison, but

778
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,919
Speaker 3: on that throw, he reminded me a lot of Number fifteen. Mitch,

779
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 3: what were your thoughts on the Bears and the Packers.

780
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 1: I live this because we were photoplankton here at the

781
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 1: bottom of the ocean, and then Andy Reid showed up

782
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 1: and the very next year we went nine to zero.

783
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: And we do a lot of metrics and analytics and

784
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: let's look at things numerical and empirical. And then there

785
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 1: are some instances where a coach comes in and completely

786
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 1: change the mentality and demeanor of a team. We have

787
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,919
Speaker 1: seen it with the Lions in years past. But then

788
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,240
Speaker 1: we see what Ben Johnson has done to the Chicago Bears,

789
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 1: and all those fans were freaking out at halftime, going

790
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: We're going to lose to the Packers again, and I

791
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: got to go face the packer guy at work, and

792
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 1: he's going to bury me. Ben Johnson said, the heck

793
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 1: with that. He has changed the demeanor of that entire team.

794
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: That team now plays with an edge. Now, Caleb Williams.

795
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 1: My litmus test of quarterbacks and only a small sample

796
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 1: size of being in the league thirty two years, is

797
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 1: they have to do this ari Who can throw the

798
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: deep out with velocity? Who can throw the deep seven route,

799
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 1: the corner route with accuracy numbers to boundary? Who can

800
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: lead a team down four seventy five yards for a

801
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: touchdown not a field goal in four minutes or less?

802
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: Who can win a playoff game doing all those things?

803
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: And now all of a sudden, we've seen Caleb Williams

804
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 1: check those boxes off, which Justin Herbert has not. So

805
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:41,879
Speaker 1: we've seen it, and he's done it against the division rival.

806
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 1: Now he's going to do it again. But to me,

807
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 1: that's where that where my takeaways that and I'm a

808
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,320
Speaker 1: small town guy. You can go to small town places

809
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: and find NFL players like Gooding, Idaho. How good is Loveland?

810
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:58,280
Speaker 1: The Tiight ind Oh my god, Allri look up Gooding, Idaho.

811
00:37:58,360 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: That's where this kid is from and even though he

812
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,399
Speaker 1: went to Michigan, he's from a small town, little Spurkustown

813
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 1: in Idaho, and the guys a stud If we had

814
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,320
Speaker 1: him right now, we'd still be playing at that backdrop

815
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 1: behind you with the fireworks going off.

816
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 3: I'd like that. I'd like to just tag the one

817
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 3: of the little subplots with the Packers and the Bears,

818
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 3: the frosty frosty relationship between Matt Lafore Ben Johnson. Now

819
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 3: it seems that it's more Ben doesn't like Matt because

820
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 3: even when he became the head coach. If you remember

821
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 3: Ben's initial press conference, he talked about his respect for,

822
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 3: you know, the other coaches in the NFC North and

823
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 3: he said, but I sure like beating Matt Lafour twice

824
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 3: a year. And their handshake. I've seen some quick handshakes

825
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 3: in apposed game. That was about as fast a pit

826
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 3: stop as I've ever seen between two head coaches at

827
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 3: the end of a playoff game. That to me, just

828
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 3: adds to the spiciness of the robbery. Well, let's put

829
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 3: one of the games.

830
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: Let's put it this way. Ben Johnson was slated to

831
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: be the keynote speaker at the Chipwa Falls Chamber of

832
00:38:56,160 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: Commerce that got canceled. So you know how you know

833
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: how difficult it's on? Baby that right, it's on.

834
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 3: I love it. It's still good for the rivalry, all right.

835
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 3: I want to touch on one of the other wildcard games.

836
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 3: You know, the Bills and Josh Allen have just been

837
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:11,959
Speaker 3: such a big part of all of our lives because

838
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 3: of the rivalry with the Chiefs. When this game I

839
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 3: looked at, I was like to play, Jacksonville is red hot.

840
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,879
Speaker 3: This is a young team playing with great energy, They're

841
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 3: playing at home. And then I just kept coming back

842
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 3: to the other team's got Josh Allen. Despite whatever else

843
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 3: is going off with the Bills, I thought, this is

844
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 3: Josh Allen's game. Well, in the end, it came down

845
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 3: to that Josh Allen willed his team to victory, and

846
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 3: the team that wanted to ban the tush push had

847
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 3: the best nine yard tush push I've ever seen. I

848
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 3: think the Bills are actually the team to beat because

849
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 3: of Josh Allen, but I thought they had to get

850
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 3: by Jacksonville first. It was a great football game. I

851
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 3: think Jacksonville fans should be bullish on their future. I

852
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 3: think what Liam Cohen did turning around the team. There's

853
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 3: a lot to be excited about. But in the end,

854
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 3: it was Josh Allen getting his first road playoff victory.

855
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 3: He's had some heartbreaking losses, in particular at the place

856
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 3: behind me. What'd you guys think of Josh Allen? And

857
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 3: do you think the Bills are real contender to win

858
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 3: the Super Bowl?

859
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 2: Well, all right, when we've been talking about this over

860
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 2: the last several weeks, this is why I could just

861
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 2: never write the Bills off because I've seen enough of

862
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,760
Speaker 2: playoff Josh Allen and it's often been on the losing

863
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 2: end against us. But he's a spectacular player who makes

864
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 2: plays at big time moments, and I can just not

865
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 2: write him off in a playoff game. Now, I'll give

866
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 2: him some credit too, because one thing that's kind of

867
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 2: been lost over the years is I do think that

868
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 2: people make a lot of excuses for Josh that ow

869
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 2: his defense give up this many points and this and that,

870
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 2: and that's true. But if you look at the game

871
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,839
Speaker 2: that we had in Orchard Park a couple of years

872
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:45,879
Speaker 2: ago and the AFC Championship game last year, he had

873
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:47,439
Speaker 2: the ball with a chance to win and he didn't

874
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 2: get it done. I'll give him credit in this game.

875
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,359
Speaker 2: He had the ball, his team was down, he had

876
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 2: to drive the length of the field to get it

877
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 2: done on the road, and he did it. So I'll

878
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 2: give him a lot of credit there that with a

879
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 2: lot of pressure on Buffalo this year, he found a

880
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 2: way to get it done in that game. Now doesn't

881
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 2: get any easier, not going to Denver, but yeah, I

882
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,399
Speaker 2: can never write off Josh Allen and the Bills, and

883
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,280
Speaker 2: I think it's going to be an awesome game on Saturday.

884
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 1: I was really kind of surprised how good the Bills

885
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: defense played. Not that they shut down the Jags, but

886
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: they were good enough. And that's been the achilles heel

887
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: for that team right especially in the secondary. But they

888
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 1: played playoff decent football. And the fact that the Bills

889
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 1: won without James Cook doing much at all was the

890
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 1: fact that it gives it even more of a testimony

891
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 1: to Josh Allen. His ability to make those plays He's

892
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 1: throwing to haves coverage at the near side boundary on

893
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 1: the last drive was like, Okay, that was mahomes in.

894
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,800
Speaker 1: And so in this world of the playoffs where it

895
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 1: seems to be so incredibly tight and now here's Josh

896
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 1: Allen playing a quarterback this week who's never won a

897
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 1: playoff game yet came to you check the box, you

898
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 1: can't check the box. And Josh Allen is He's just

899
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 1: very interesting to watch in this playoffs because in the

900
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: back of his mind he's not saying it, but the

901
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: door has flown open for him, even though he's going

902
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:05,879
Speaker 1: to take the road path too.

903
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 2: And Ario, I'll add one more thing, So the injury

904
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 2: report every week will say the player's name and then

905
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 2: the injury next to him for what they're receiving treatment for.

906
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 2: I imagine the injury report this week is going to

907
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 2: have Josh Allen listed for a foot, neck, ribs leg.

908
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 2: I mean, he had every single injury you could ever

909
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 2: imagine in that game against Jacksonville, and the dude just

910
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 2: kept finding ways to move the football down the field.

911
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 2: So you know, you don't have to ask anybody. We

912
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 2: have an immense respect for Josh Allen. We've been enjoyed

913
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 2: beating him over the years. But really good player and

914
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 2: I think he has as good a chance as anybody

915
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 2: to go in the whole thing.

916
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:44,479
Speaker 3: And when he was at Wyoming, I called a couple

917
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 3: of his games. Maybe a different guy today, but I

918
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 3: found him to be down to earth, just a regular guy,

919
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:52,879
Speaker 3: like a small town America guy. He fit great in Laramie.

920
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 3: So I just think that it's, you know, when he's

921
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 3: not playing the Chiefs, he's a guy who I feel

922
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,360
Speaker 3: good about rooting for because I think he's, you just

923
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 3: represent my values in the sense he's like a good guy.

924
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 1: So anyway, firing off California, baby fireball, California grew up

925
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,879
Speaker 1: on a ranch, he was an FFA.

926
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 3: So the other games just quickly touched on. I thought

927
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:15,280
Speaker 3: the Niners and Kyle Shanahan deserve a ton of credit.

928
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 3: They out coached. I felt like the Eagles that trick play,

929
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:21,320
Speaker 3: the Eagles defense look lost against a Vic Fangio defense.

930
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:23,399
Speaker 3: And then I want to talk a little bit more

931
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 3: about the ramifications of the Pittsburgh loss only because of

932
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 3: what we've learned since Mike Tomlin stepping down as the

933
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 3: Steelers coach. So now we're looking at three of the

934
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 3: four teams in the AFC North are looking for a

935
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 3: head coach, so that whole division is going to look

936
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 3: a lot different. We know Harbaugh is going to get

937
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 3: another job because he's openly already interviewing. What do you

938
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 3: guys think is next for Mike Tomlin, because clearly a

939
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 3: lot of franchises would covet having a guy with his experience,

940
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 3: his toughness, his leadership. Or is he going to head

941
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 3: to TV? Is he going to take a year off? Like,

942
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:55,720
Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know how to feel about

943
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 3: what's going on with Mike Tomlin and the Steelers. And

944
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 3: somebody suggested to me earlier today, why don't they just

945
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 3: both flip jobs? Why doesn't Harbaugh go to Pittsford and

946
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 3: Tomalin go to Baltimore? Because the cultures are pretty similar? Right?

947
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: What's what I texted? I texted math that last.

948
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 3: Year in bad weather? So what do you guys think?

949
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I texted math that last night right away when

950
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 1: I saw it.

951
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 2: Did the Steelers still have Tomlin's rights because he stepped down?

952
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 2: It could be.

953
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 3: I don't know the particulars of that.

954
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 2: So I saw this on Twitter. Yeah, so I don't

955
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 2: know this for a fact. I just saw it on

956
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 2: Twitter and I'm now just running with it. But if

957
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 2: the Steelers still possess his rights, it could be like

958
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 2: a Sean Payton situation where he could take a year

959
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:44,399
Speaker 2: off and then he could be traded essentially. I don't

960
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 2: know the specifics of it, but if that's the case,

961
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 2: I think that would rule out a Baltimore head coaching

962
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 2: gig for Tomlin, right.

963
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: What I that and the fact that John Harbaugh's out there,

964
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 1: it's very It reminds me again of Andy Reid being

965
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: available on December one, twenty twelve. You've got two guys

966
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 1: that are accomplished Super Bowl champion head coaches that are

967
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,760
Speaker 1: out there. I think what it's done, there's a ripple

968
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 1: effect of this. It slowed down a lot of these

969
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 1: other searches that these teams that are searching now are going,

970
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 1: wait a minute, those two guys are available. Now if

971
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 1: I've got a trade to get Tomlin, that might cool

972
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 1: the jets on that a bit, but I still might

973
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 1: go ahead and forge ahead and do it because both

974
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,240
Speaker 1: those guys we know are Hall of Fame caliber coaches.

975
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 1: It's a very interesting dynamic the fact, and you're going

976
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: to see a ripple effect of those two guys in

977
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 1: what happens with them first, because it seems like they

978
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: flow to the top of the chart. For sure.

979
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,280
Speaker 3: I thought it was interesting because I guess my first

980
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 3: instinct said, if I'm John Harbaugh, I want to go

981
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 3: to a team that has a franchise caliber quarterback that

982
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 3: can lead to a Super Bowl. So when he did

983
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 3: his first interview in Atlanta, that confused me. I don't

984
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 3: see Atlanta, given their quarterback situation, as being ready to

985
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 3: be an elite team. So it'd be interesting to see

986
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 3: where that all pans out. But to have these kind

987
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 3: of coaches available, I was going to make for a

988
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:06,919
Speaker 3: very fun coaching season, all right.

989
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:10,760
Speaker 1: And gonna add to that, I think with both those guys,

990
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:14,320
Speaker 1: the GM combo here is big, was it Lanta? I

991
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 1: mean the GM jobs being open, I would do that

992
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 1: first when GM jobs are open, where all of a

993
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,399
Speaker 1: sudden he brings kind of his own guy in there.

994
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 1: Because both of those guys have had they have not

995
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 1: had acrimonis. They've had good relationships with their GMS, and

996
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 1: that's been a part of being eighteen and nineteen years together. Yeah.

997
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 2: Just keep them both away from the Raiders, please, That's

998
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 2: what I would prefer.

999
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 3: Fair enough, all right, So the first game I want to

1000
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 3: talk about, Wildcard Weekend features the Bills and the Broncos.

1001
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,399
Speaker 3: This to me is a really interesting game because you've

1002
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,840
Speaker 3: got an unproven second year quarterback the number one seed

1003
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 3: playing at home in bo Nick's taking on Josh Allen,

1004
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 3: who has tons of playoff experience. My instinct tells me

1005
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 3: to go with the better quarterback when I'm undecided, and this,

1006
00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 3: to me is not a particularly challenging decision. I think

1007
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 3: the Bills win an upset, but I've also underestimated the

1008
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,280
Speaker 3: Broncos all year at my own peril. I thought Sean

1009
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 3: Payton was out of line at the beginning of the

1010
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,359
Speaker 3: year calling them an a lead team that was super

1011
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 3: Bowl bound, and I was humbled. He was right.

1012
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 2: I was wrong.

1013
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 3: What do you guys think about this matchup? With the

1014
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 3: Bills going to Denver playing up in altitude this weekend

1015
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 3: in the divisional.

1016
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 2: Round, I'm curious if the Broncos can commit to running

1017
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 2: the football. If they run the football and they shortened

1018
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 2: the game, I think they have an opportunity to win it.

1019
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, I think if

1020
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 2: it's a close game, you know, like you were saying earlier,

1021
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 2: the Broncos have won all these close games this year.

1022
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 2: If it's a close game, I think Josh Allen will

1023
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 2: find a way to win it.

1024
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 1: In the end, both of these teams play the same way.

1025
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 1: It goes back to the way the league has changed

1026
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 1: these guys. Broncos were six in time in possession for

1027
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:50,959
Speaker 1: the season, but a lot of that was skewed. Their

1028
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 1: defense wasn't as dominant at the end, and Buffalo is

1029
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: number one. The margin of this thing is so slight,

1030
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 1: meaning who gets in the red zone and gets a touchuchdown.

1031
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 1: The Broncos red zone defense is ridiculously good. And if

1032
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 1: Josh Allen has any kryptonite we both talk about this

1033
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 1: Matt and I or is his red zone turnovers. Sometimes

1034
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 1: he'll try to superman something in there. But this is

1035
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: a razor thin margin. Both teams are going to try

1036
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 1: to play the same way. First downs are touchdowns in

1037
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 1: this game. So if you've got to make me go

1038
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: to the edge one way, it would be with the

1039
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 1: experienced quarterback, but not by much. This is a This

1040
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,240
Speaker 1: is a razor thin margin in this game.

1041
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:34,800
Speaker 3: I agree with you there all right. Next up forty

1042
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 3: nine Ers and the Seahawks. You know they just played

1043
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 3: to decide the number one seed. That game was in

1044
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 3: San Francisco. It was dominated defensively by Seattle. Now know

1045
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 3: George Kittle for the forty nine ers, but for someone

1046
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 3: tells me that the Shanahan factor will He's going to

1047
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 3: have something where his offense is going to be competitive?

1048
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 3: Is it going to be enough to win on the

1049
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 3: road in a raucus place. It's just because the pressure

1050
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 3: is now on Seattle, it's not on San Francisco. I

1051
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 3: think Shanahan, besides Super Bowls, is one of the best

1052
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 3: coaches in the National Football League. I actually give the

1053
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 3: Niners a chance, even though they're considered big underdogs.

1054
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 2: What's your take, Yeah, I think they certainly have a chance.

1055
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 2: I mean they've kind of been somehow overcoming the odds

1056
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 2: all season, losing you know, every household name they have

1057
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 2: at some point and finding a way. I still think

1058
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:28,879
Speaker 2: Seattle is just playing such good football right now. Their

1059
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 2: defense is tremendous, and then offensively. You know, when you

1060
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 2: and I talk, I've been kind of hard on Sam

1061
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 2: Darnold over the course of the season, but he's done

1062
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 2: enough to get them in this position in the season

1063
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 2: that Jackson Smith and Jigba's having just really difficult to

1064
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 2: slow a guy like that down at home in a

1065
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 2: game like this, So I think the Niners have done

1066
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,479
Speaker 2: a great job of piecing this thing together to find

1067
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 2: a way to be in this moment, but especially losing

1068
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 2: Kittle last week, I just don't know if they have

1069
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 2: the offense to get it done against that Seattle defense.

1070
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 1: Seattle defense, Piranha, the forty nine Ers couldn't breathe in

1071
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,760
Speaker 1: that game in Week eighteen, they could not find a breath.

1072
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 1: I think they'll take his play sheet and just rip

1073
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 1: it to shreds and laminate it and all it. They'll

1074
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:14,879
Speaker 1: just eat it right in front of him. I mean,

1075
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 1: if unless Seattle does something's incredibly stupid and darnold just

1076
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 1: you know, does a Viking game of a year ago

1077
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 1: in the playoffs. This this Seattle defense is elite and

1078
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 1: they dominate this game.

1079
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 3: Copy that, all right? Moving on, this is one that

1080
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 3: I'm very undecided on the Texans in that defense. It's

1081
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 3: just looks so good since the start of the second

1082
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 3: half of the season. Taking on a Patriots team that

1083
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 3: you know, look really solid in their win against to Chargers.

1084
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,320
Speaker 3: The games in New England, it's going to be cold,

1085
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 3: you know. My instinct actually tells me the Texans win.

1086
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 3: They have more playoff experience. That defense is going to

1087
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 3: give Drake may some problems, but I'm trying to factor in,

1088
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 3: you know, the home field advantage. I think it's significant.

1089
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 3: But boy that the Texans team didn't seem to be

1090
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:04,400
Speaker 3: bothered playing in Pittsburgh on Monday night. So I'm leading Texans.

1091
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 3: What do you guys think?

1092
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:09,319
Speaker 2: Give me the Texans? Sorry, that defense is unbelievable. I

1093
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 2: think so Hunter and Anderson get a lot of credit,

1094
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 2: and that's kind of what everyone talks about with their defense,

1095
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 2: and deservingly so. I think it's the best tandem of

1096
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:20,760
Speaker 2: pass rushers in the NFL. But that's just where it starts.

1097
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 2: I mean, their linebacker corps is awesome, and their secondary,

1098
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:26,439
Speaker 2: I think is the best secondary in football. I mean,

1099
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 2: up and down the list, guys like Jalen Peatrie, always

1100
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 2: around the ball, always flying in there, making plays, Lassiter Bullock,

1101
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 2: Derek Stingley just really good players up and down that

1102
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 2: Texans defense. And I mean the Steelers had no chance

1103
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 2: in that game offensively.

1104
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 1: Now.

1105
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 2: The only thing that makes it kind of an equalizer

1106
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 2: is Stroud has got to play better. And Stroud's performance

1107
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 2: was the only reason the Steelers even had a chance

1108
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 2: in that game at all the turnovers. If Stroud can

1109
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 2: just even just be like a game manager to protect

1110
00:51:56,440 --> 00:52:00,440
Speaker 2: the football, hopefully Nico Collins can play. Didn't good with

1111
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 2: that concussion. But even if he can't play, as long

1112
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:05,720
Speaker 2: as he can protect the football, We've seen that defense

1113
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 2: can score for him if they need to. So I

1114
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 2: think the Texans are going to win this game just

1115
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,280
Speaker 2: because that defense I think is the best defense in football.

1116
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 2: It reminds me of the Legion of Boom defense with

1117
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 2: the Seahawks ten years ago. They're just really impressive. And

1118
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 2: as long as Stroud does not turn the ball over

1119
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 2: three times, I think the Texans win this game.

1120
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:27,760
Speaker 1: I talked about Ben Johnson being transformational with the Bears.

1121
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 1: Mike Vrabel is the AFC version of that. That team

1122
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 1: plays with a edge every snap in every phase. Watch

1123
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:39,399
Speaker 1: him in special teams. They just go one hundred miles

1124
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:44,399
Speaker 1: an hour. And I'm so impressed with rapes. Houston has

1125
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 1: more talent. I am worried about the Collins concussion. I

1126
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:50,359
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know if Christian Kirk can pull

1127
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,799
Speaker 1: together another one hundred and thirty yards against that New

1128
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: England defense. But then I go back to Houston's defense

1129
00:52:57,080 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 1: is enough to win this game. Again, another thin game,

1130
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:04,359
Speaker 1: and I'll go with Houston by a nose. But New

1131
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 1: England is fun to watch play. Yeah, And I know

1132
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 1: we all had this. You know we all have this. Oh,

1133
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:12,319
Speaker 1: I hated New England in the past. I don't hate

1134
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:14,760
Speaker 1: this team. In fact, I enjoy watching them.

1135
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 3: Well, that's why I was explaining to my kids the

1136
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 3: other day. They were they were like, you used to

1137
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:23,840
Speaker 3: hate the Patriots. Dad, That's the old evil empire with

1138
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:26,360
Speaker 3: Bill Belichick and when Brady was there. This is a

1139
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 3: new bunch with Rabel and this team and Drake May

1140
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 3: they're kind of they're fun to watch. I found myself

1141
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 3: rooting for the Patriots, which was Yeah, I felt like

1142
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 3: a new thing to root for the Patriots after to

1143
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 3: the final game of the Division round of the one

1144
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:40,880
Speaker 3: I frankly think is the most interesting. You've got the Rams,

1145
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:43,399
Speaker 3: so I think we all agree is the most It's

1146
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 3: the most talented team across the board. They have everything.

1147
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 3: They're going to be playing in Chicago where the high

1148
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 3: temperature is going to be nineteen degrees, it's probably going

1149
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:54,400
Speaker 3: to be close to zero. And you know it's the

1150
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:56,720
Speaker 3: late game on Sunday, So it's going to be dark

1151
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:00,120
Speaker 3: and cold. It's Soldier Field. We saw last year the

1152
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 3: Rams winning too Philadelphia and they almost beat the team

1153
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 3: that ended up winning the Super Bowl. So it's a

1154
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 3: similar situation. The Rams have been in this kind of situation.

1155
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 3: Everything tells me it should be the Rams, but then

1156
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 3: I think about what Caleb Williams and what head coach

1157
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:15,799
Speaker 3: Ben Johnson have done with these Bears. They've kind of

1158
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 3: got me believe it. I feel like I'm journey gotta

1159
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 3: never believe it. I really knew. So like my mind

1160
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 3: says it's the Rams, and my heart tells me the

1161
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 3: Bears are going to find a way to win. Am

1162
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 3: I crazy? What are you guys making this matchup?

1163
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:29,400
Speaker 1: No?

1164
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 2: I don't think you're crazy. I do think the Rams

1165
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 2: win this game, just because the Bears are coming off

1166
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:37,880
Speaker 2: a very emotional win that kind of took a lot

1167
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 2: to get it done, and I think the Rams are

1168
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 2: a better team. I think the Rams will come into

1169
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 2: this game probably a bit more focused than they did

1170
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 2: going into the Carolina game, and if the Rams play

1171
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 2: the way that I think we know they can play,

1172
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 2: the Rams win. I don't think the Bears can come

1173
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,799
Speaker 2: back from down twenty one to three against this Rams team,

1174
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 2: because I think they just have too much offensive firepower.

1175
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:01,880
Speaker 2: But to your point, it's the NFL. It's any given Sunday,

1176
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 2: and the way that Caleb and the Bears played last

1177
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 2: week across the board, especially defensively, if they play like

1178
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 2: that again, they'll have a chance. But I still think

1179
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 2: the Rams just have a little bit too much for

1180
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:13,759
Speaker 2: the Bears to pull this one off.

1181
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 3: I want to take you one quick thing. I keep

1182
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 3: in mind that Stafford does have the finger issue, and

1183
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 3: he is thirty seven, and it's going to be cold

1184
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:22,800
Speaker 3: if he gets knocked around by that tough Bears defense.

1185
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 3: If I were a Rams fan, that's why I be

1186
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:27,879
Speaker 3: concerned protecting Matthew Stafford, because I don't think he could

1187
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 3: take too many blows in that temperature. And wiel the

1188
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 3: Rams to Vickory Mitch, what say you, my friend.

1189
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 1: Well, that's why the Rams run game's got to be

1190
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 1: there a little bit. And again, they're the maybe the

1191
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 1: most comprehensive team in the league. So I think we

1192
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 1: sometimes underrate that defense of the Rams and what they

1193
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:47,879
Speaker 1: can do and how physical they can be at times.

1194
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 1: So to me and I'm sent a countray liqu what

1195
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 1: I said about Caleb earlier, because he checked every box

1196
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 1: that I wanted him to check. Now he's going to

1197
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 1: check it again. Okay, Matthew Stafford has done that several

1198
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 1: times in his career in the playoffs. That's the key

1199
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:05,279
Speaker 1: prepositional phrase here, And I just think the Rams have

1200
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:07,400
Speaker 1: a little more even with the elements to do it.

1201
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 1: And a Rams Seahawks NFC championship is way too tasty

1202
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 1: then because it will melt the polarized cut. If you

1203
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 1: have that game in Seattle, you will see the water

1204
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 1: come down the San Joaquin Valley like it's gonna be

1205
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:23,799
Speaker 1: amazing game.

1206
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:27,320
Speaker 3: But it is interesting how the best division in football

1207
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 3: this year, the NFC West, is actually managed the playoffs

1208
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:32,799
Speaker 3: great because if we look back to the NFC North

1209
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:35,319
Speaker 3: last year, we had those three grade teams, they all

1210
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 3: lost their first playoff games. So the NFC West, well

1211
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,239
Speaker 3: they beat up on each other, it didn't affect them

1212
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 3: in the postseason, all right. So that's a look at

1213
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 3: the division round. Now the season is coming on, and

1214
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 3: I think it's appropriate that the three of us give

1215
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:51,239
Speaker 3: our personal award choices for the four biggest awards. We're

1216
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 3: gonna go MVP, Offensive Player of the Year, Defensive Player

1217
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:56,359
Speaker 3: of the Year, and the Coach of the Year. I'm

1218
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 3: gonna go first. I can promise you we won't be

1219
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 3: in agreement on all these. You can decide out there

1220
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:03,920
Speaker 3: in Chief Kingham what you think for yourself. The MVP.

1221
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 3: I know many people think it's a two headed race

1222
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 3: between Matthew Stafford and Drake may I'm going with Stafford.

1223
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 3: The forty six touchdown passes led the league. He led

1224
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 3: the league in passing yards, he was fourth in quarterback raiding.

1225
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 3: And when you watch him play too, I mean he

1226
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 3: can spin it like does anybody throw a pre er ball.

1227
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 3: The Matthew Stafford the Rams to me had a great year. Yeah,

1228
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 3: they didn't get the number one. See they're gonna have

1229
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 3: to battle through. But that's not what the MVP is about.

1230
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 3: Without him, they're not much. They have good pieces, but

1231
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 3: he's made that team into a great team. So Matthew

1232
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 3: Stafford is my choice for MVP. Matt let's go to you.

1233
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 2: So Mitch and I discussed this a little bit earlier.

1234
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 2: We're gonna make sure none of us pick the same

1235
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 2: guys for the sake of this being fun because we can't.

1236
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 2: I just don't want us all to say, yeah, Stafford,

1237
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 2: you know. And also the same thing. So for the

1238
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 2: sake of making this fun, how about Jonathan Taylor for MVP.

1239
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 2: We're turning the clock back to two thousand and four here,

1240
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 2: I'm giving a running back MVP. So Jonathan Taylor had

1241
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:08,720
Speaker 2: twenty total touchdowns this year that led the NFL. He

1242
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 2: was third and scrimmage yards. Now, his numbers took a

1243
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 2: dip toward the end of the year when Riley Leonard

1244
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 2: and Philip Rivers were his quarterbacks. But think about that

1245
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 2: Colts offense the first two thirds of the season and

1246
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 2: Daniel Jones played well. But I think we also know

1247
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 2: who Daniel Jones is. That offense was working because Jonathan

1248
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 2: Taylor was the best football player on the field and

1249
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 2: he was the engine that made the whole thing go. Now,

1250
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 2: when they had some injuries start to happen and Jones

1251
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 2: got hurt, it was too much to put on him

1252
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 2: because a running back can only do so much. But

1253
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 2: what he was able to do for that Colts team

1254
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 2: the first two thirds of the season was remarkable. And

1255
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 2: for the sake of this exercise, I'm giving Jonathan Taylor

1256
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:52,920
Speaker 2: the MVP.

1257
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, and since I get a pick third on all these,

1258
00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 1: I take the leftovers. And since i have to have

1259
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 1: an Offensive Player of the Year, I'm saving that one

1260
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 1: for my third pick. And I'm gonna go where I

1261
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 1: you guys are gonna go with the second one, because

1262
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get putting Miles Garrett as the NFL VP. Yeah,

1263
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:14,960
Speaker 1: with his record setting sack year, you put him on

1264
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 1: any other team, He's not only still playing, he's winning

1265
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 1: games and eating the football as he's doing it. I

1266
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 1: just what an amazing year on a bad team, and

1267
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 1: the guy's just incredible. So that's I'm going off the

1268
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:30,480
Speaker 1: track a little bit, but I'm picking third, so I

1269
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 1: got to think outside the box.

1270
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 3: I like it all right. Next up, Offensive Player of

1271
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 3: the Year. It kind of pains me to say this,

1272
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 3: but Pookin Nakula one hundred and twenty nine catches led

1273
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 3: the league in receptions. When you watch him play, his toughness,

1274
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:47,200
Speaker 3: in his physicality at the wide receiver position, I think

1275
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:50,920
Speaker 3: is unmatched in the league at this point. He I

1276
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 3: will say he had a couple of bad drops the

1277
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 3: other day in the playoff game. He didn't come back

1278
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 3: to haunt them. Uh. I found Pookinakua as a rookie charming.

1279
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:01,600
Speaker 3: I thought that guy's gonna be loved by everybody. He

1280
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 3: plays with more of an edge. Now he's got some

1281
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 3: real lack of a different word, he's got like kind

1282
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 3: of an attitude out there. I must say, if you're

1283
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 3: a Rams fan, you love him. I say, as someone

1284
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:14,440
Speaker 3: who is in a Rams fan, he's increasingly hard to like.

1285
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 3: But maybe it's just because he's so darn good. Who

1286
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 3: get to cool it with my offensive Player of the Year.

1287
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 3: But I don't feel great about it.

1288
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 2: I was looking at his numbers. He has like seventeen

1289
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:27,640
Speaker 2: hundred yards. Yeah, I mean, it's just crazy. And he's

1290
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 2: so reliable that in that Panthers game when he dropped

1291
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 2: the ball, it's almost like you feel like there was

1292
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:37,560
Speaker 2: a glitch or something like wait, what like he dropped

1293
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 2: that pass? So, yeah, that's a good pick. Again, for

1294
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 2: the sake of a variety, I'm gonna go with James

1295
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 2: Cook for my Offensive Player of the Year. So led

1296
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:49,760
Speaker 2: the NFL in rushing yards with more than sixteen hundred.

1297
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:53,080
Speaker 2: He averaged ninety five rushing yards per game, and he

1298
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 2: was fourth in scrimmage yards among all players with just

1299
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 2: under two thousand. You know, I think it depends on

1300
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 2: how you look at these awards. I think if you

1301
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:05,080
Speaker 2: took James Cook off the Bills, they are a dramatically

1302
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 2: different team. And I think what he's done for them

1303
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:10,680
Speaker 2: this year and for Josh Allen is he has opened

1304
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 2: everything up for them offensively where defenses can't just key

1305
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:16,880
Speaker 2: in on Josh Allen. You have to respect what James

1306
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:19,760
Speaker 2: Cook can do. He's been explosive, He's been a playmaker

1307
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 2: all season for them, Just a really, really impressive player

1308
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 2: that I think has changed their offense and really given

1309
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:28,000
Speaker 2: Allen an opportunity to make a run at this thing,

1310
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:30,520
Speaker 2: because without him, I don't know if the Bills are

1311
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 2: a playoff team without James Cook this year. So he

1312
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 2: is my Offensive Player of the Year.

1313
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:37,920
Speaker 1: I'll see your Pooka Naku and I'll raise your Jackson

1314
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 1: Smith and Jig though he has ten less catches, seventy

1315
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 1: one more yards and four less targets and the same

1316
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:50,960
Speaker 1: amount of touchdowns. Wow, if he's on this team, if

1317
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:54,600
Speaker 1: you put JSN on the Chiefs team, we're still playing

1318
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:57,280
Speaker 1: at that backdrop behind you with the fireworks going off.

1319
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:02,640
Speaker 3: Fair enough, I think. I also think Seattle does suffer

1320
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:05,520
Speaker 3: a little bit from they're up in the Pacific Northwest.

1321
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:08,480
Speaker 3: I feel like they don't necessarily get as much attention

1322
01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 3: as some of the other teams and some of the

1323
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:13,120
Speaker 3: time slots they're in, and Jason Smith and Jigba you

1324
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 3: can make the cases a top three or four receiver

1325
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:17,520
Speaker 3: in the National Football League. I don't know if the

1326
01:02:17,600 --> 01:02:21,280
Speaker 3: whole nation casual football fans realize how good he is yet.

1327
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:23,320
Speaker 3: I think they will if Seattle makes a run at

1328
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:25,840
Speaker 3: the super Bowl, that's for sure, all right. Next up,

1329
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:27,480
Speaker 3: Defensive Player of the Year. Look, I'm going with the

1330
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 3: easy one here. I wrote the rundown first. You guys

1331
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:33,320
Speaker 3: have to go after me. But I mean, it is

1332
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:35,640
Speaker 3: Miles Garrett. But you know, a part of me wonders

1333
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:38,960
Speaker 3: this question about Miles Garrett. He took all that money

1334
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:41,560
Speaker 3: to stay in Cleveland. Would he give some of that

1335
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:43,560
Speaker 3: money back to be playing on a team that's still

1336
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:47,200
Speaker 3: playing right now? Like in terms of legacy for him personally,

1337
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:50,560
Speaker 3: the SAX record may last, you know, for a whole generation.

1338
01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 3: But man, that guy never gets to play in any

1339
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:55,480
Speaker 3: games that have deep meaning. So I just wonder if

1340
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:57,080
Speaker 3: you got him in a room and you had a

1341
01:02:57,080 --> 01:03:00,320
Speaker 3: lot of detector tests, would you trade the defense player

1342
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:03,520
Speaker 3: of the year in order to annually be in the playoffs?

1343
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 3: What do you guys think? Is he gonna end up

1344
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 3: going out as a Hall of Famer, But will he

1345
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 3: ever play a meaningful playoff game?

1346
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 2: Well, okay, I will never fault someone for taking a

1347
01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:17,040
Speaker 2: bunch of money. But he did sign an extension in Cleveland,

1348
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 2: you know. So now, if he really believed in the

1349
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 2: vision and in the future, then I can't blame him

1350
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 2: for that. But I do wonder if he puts pressure

1351
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:32,680
Speaker 2: on their front office and their new coaching staff to say, like, hey, like,

1352
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:34,560
Speaker 2: I only have so many years where I can keep

1353
01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:37,760
Speaker 2: doing this, and if I don't see a clear vision

1354
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:40,479
Speaker 2: or a clear path forward, then maybe he does start

1355
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:42,440
Speaker 2: to make some noise. I'm not sure, but he did

1356
01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 2: sign an extension there, so in part, he did choose

1357
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:46,880
Speaker 2: to be there.

1358
01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 3: He's makes me actually a question whether he's gullible because

1359
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:52,920
Speaker 3: what could they have possibly told him, yeah, to lead

1360
01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:54,880
Speaker 3: him to believe the Cleveland was going to become a winning,

1361
01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:57,760
Speaker 3: competitive franchise, because there was nothing we saw this year

1362
01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:01,280
Speaker 3: they're so far away on the quarterbacks. I'm just curious

1363
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:03,480
Speaker 3: what they told him, other than we're gonna put some

1364
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 3: more zeros in, some more commas. I don't know what

1365
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:07,960
Speaker 3: you could tell him that make you suddenly believe the

1366
01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:09,000
Speaker 3: Browns we're going to be good.

1367
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:12,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not sure. And I'll preface this by saying

1368
01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:14,920
Speaker 2: he's obviously the defensive player of the year, but again

1369
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:18,160
Speaker 2: for fun, I'm going to give it to Aiden Hutchinson

1370
01:04:18,200 --> 01:04:22,840
Speaker 2: this year good so. Aiden Hutchinson had one hundred total pressures,

1371
01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:26,600
Speaker 2: one hundred pressures that led the NFL. Also had fourteen

1372
01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:28,760
Speaker 2: and a half sacks for him coming off that leg

1373
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:31,560
Speaker 2: injury from last year, which was really scary. You never

1374
01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:34,080
Speaker 2: know with the player at that position who's coming off

1375
01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:36,160
Speaker 2: a broken leg, like will they ever be the same,

1376
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:38,920
Speaker 2: And he was even better than he was the year prior.

1377
01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:41,760
Speaker 2: So says a lot about how he attacked his rehab,

1378
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:44,440
Speaker 2: how seriously he took it, and how seriously he took

1379
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 2: the season. A disappointing season for the Lions overall, but

1380
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:51,000
Speaker 2: he was fantastic. It wasn't his fault. They didn't make

1381
01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:54,640
Speaker 2: the playoffs, So I'll give it to Aiden Hutchinson with.

1382
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 1: High interable mention to the entire Seattle defense because I

1383
01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:03,080
Speaker 1: got that Piranha Hawk defense. I'm gonna give co Defensive

1384
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 1: Players of the Year Will Anderson Junior.

1385
01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:06,520
Speaker 2: It's good.

1386
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:13,280
Speaker 1: Combine twenty seven sacks, combine six forced fumbles, combine six

1387
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:18,200
Speaker 1: passes defense, combine forty five quarterback hits. There is no

1388
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:24,080
Speaker 1: two better bookends. We saw that in the flesh. They

1389
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:26,360
Speaker 1: just said, the game is ours. We'll take it and

1390
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:30,000
Speaker 1: send Aaron Rodgers into the night. They're amazing. We saw

1391
01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:34,640
Speaker 1: him too. Othery're impossible to block. They're just they're incredible.

1392
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:37,000
Speaker 1: No better bookends, and we haven't seen a one to

1393
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:38,360
Speaker 1: two punch like that in a while.

1394
01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:41,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it helps the defense a lot of defensive

1395
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:43,480
Speaker 3: coordinator when you only have to bring four and you

1396
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:46,040
Speaker 3: never have to bring anybody else because those four so good.

1397
01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:49,040
Speaker 3: All right, So let's go to Coach of the Year,

1398
01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 3: and I'm just gonna list off some names that I

1399
01:05:50,680 --> 01:05:53,440
Speaker 3: think should be candidates that you could make. I think

1400
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:58,720
Speaker 3: a very compelling case for Sean Payton, Mike Rabel, Kyle Shanahan,

1401
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:03,120
Speaker 3: Mike McDonald, Demiko Ryans, and Ben Johnson. I think you

1402
01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:06,919
Speaker 3: could you could really make a case and he'd be like, oh, well,

1403
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:10,320
Speaker 3: that guy should be the coach year. We can only

1404
01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:13,000
Speaker 3: pick one, and I'm actually going away from what you guys.

1405
01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:15,040
Speaker 3: The consensus I think is that Rabel is the guy.

1406
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:17,080
Speaker 3: But to me, the coach of the Year is someone

1407
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:20,000
Speaker 3: who could take an Owen three team and have them

1408
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:23,360
Speaker 3: still playing now. I think Demiko Ryans is the NFL

1409
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:26,160
Speaker 3: coach of the Year because he doesn't have a great quarterback,

1410
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:28,959
Speaker 3: that team had to deal with defense, and again, Owen three,

1411
01:06:29,080 --> 01:06:31,160
Speaker 3: just you guys know that the chief struggling. You know

1412
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:33,320
Speaker 3: what one and two felt like, imagine what Owen three

1413
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:33,840
Speaker 3: feels like.

1414
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:34,160
Speaker 1: Right.

1415
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:36,920
Speaker 3: It feels like you got no chance. And he willed

1416
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:39,360
Speaker 3: this team and they're playing as well as anybody right now.

1417
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:42,120
Speaker 3: They are a hot team. And for what it's worth,

1418
01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:46,880
Speaker 3: Demiko Ryans is very likable. He's his the way he

1419
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:49,919
Speaker 3: leads his team, and he smiles a lot, and he's

1420
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:52,680
Speaker 3: not a just I don't know. There's something about the

1421
01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:54,840
Speaker 3: guy that I like. Look, he played for the forty

1422
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:57,320
Speaker 3: nine ers. I can't stand the forty Nindres. There's reasons

1423
01:06:57,360 --> 01:06:58,520
Speaker 3: I shouldn't like him.

1424
01:06:58,640 --> 01:06:59,080
Speaker 1: But I do.

1425
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:02,240
Speaker 3: I like to make he's a likable guy. So my

1426
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:05,040
Speaker 3: NFL Coach of the Year is Houston Texans head coach

1427
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:05,880
Speaker 3: Demiko Ryans.

1428
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:07,960
Speaker 2: Matt, what do you think, you know, kind of like

1429
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:10,160
Speaker 2: a draft board, like a team trying to figure out

1430
01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:12,480
Speaker 2: who's going to be taken. I was certain you were

1431
01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:14,800
Speaker 2: taking Vrabel, so I was super fired up about taking

1432
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:16,400
Speaker 2: Demiko Ryans. That's who I want.

1433
01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:17,040
Speaker 3: I gotcha.

1434
01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:19,959
Speaker 2: They won ten straight games. Think about they won games

1435
01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:23,720
Speaker 2: with Davis Mills at quarterback. I think their last loss

1436
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:27,200
Speaker 2: was to Denver and they almost won that game. So yeah,

1437
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:29,400
Speaker 2: what Demiko has done this year has been incredible, and

1438
01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:31,640
Speaker 2: I do think he's the coach of the Year. But

1439
01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:33,560
Speaker 2: because I'm picking a second here, I will give it

1440
01:07:33,560 --> 01:07:36,840
Speaker 2: to Vrabel and Rabel deserves it too. We've talked about

1441
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:40,000
Speaker 2: it already, but how he totally flipped that culture around

1442
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:44,480
Speaker 2: really really impressive. They go from four and thirteen to

1443
01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:46,840
Speaker 2: fourteen and three. I mess at the math there, but

1444
01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:51,360
Speaker 2: you get the idea, a total flip around. It's not

1445
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:53,760
Speaker 2: easy to do. We saw it with coach read here

1446
01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:56,720
Speaker 2: in twenty thirteen, where you have a lot of the

1447
01:07:56,800 --> 01:08:00,560
Speaker 2: same players and you need to establish a new standard,

1448
01:08:01,120 --> 01:08:03,840
Speaker 2: right like what was going on before is not how

1449
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:05,320
Speaker 2: we're going to do things. This is how we're going

1450
01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:07,280
Speaker 2: to do things now. It takes a certain kind of

1451
01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:11,920
Speaker 2: person to demand that standard. Rabel's clearly that guy, also

1452
01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:15,160
Speaker 2: putting his coaches in a position to succeed and to

1453
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:18,360
Speaker 2: develop a young quarterback, Drake May, I think we all

1454
01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:21,280
Speaker 2: agree was super talented and had all his potential. But

1455
01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:23,200
Speaker 2: I mean, how many times do we see it like

1456
01:08:23,200 --> 01:08:26,240
Speaker 2: with sam Donold for example, or other young quarterbacks they

1457
01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:28,720
Speaker 2: come in the league, they just don't develop with the

1458
01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:31,479
Speaker 2: team that drafted them because the coaching isn't there, the

1459
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:34,960
Speaker 2: culture isn't there. Vrabel has created a culture for May

1460
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:37,519
Speaker 2: to not only succeed, but to thrive and to become

1461
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:41,000
Speaker 2: an MVP candidate. So for what Rabel's done this year,

1462
01:08:41,200 --> 01:08:44,679
Speaker 2: really really amazing. To beat the Bills in Orchard Park

1463
01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:46,800
Speaker 2: and to be in a position where they can make

1464
01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:48,960
Speaker 2: a run at an AFC title and maybe a Super

1465
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:52,400
Speaker 2: Bowl after winning just three or four games last year,

1466
01:08:52,479 --> 01:08:54,519
Speaker 2: it's really amazing. So I'll give it to Rabel.

1467
01:08:55,479 --> 01:09:00,439
Speaker 1: This goes back to your talk about Seattle sometimes underrated.

1468
01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:04,360
Speaker 1: Why are we not talking about Mike McDonald enough? Right? Unreal?

1469
01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:06,879
Speaker 1: What he did best best team in the best division.

1470
01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:09,840
Speaker 1: And you know he was in the Ravens. He was

1471
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:13,160
Speaker 1: with John Harbaugh for nine years and he's brought that

1472
01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:15,040
Speaker 1: to the Seahawks. They had it before the Legion of

1473
01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:17,080
Speaker 1: Boom and then they went down and then he brought

1474
01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:20,599
Speaker 1: him back. So big kudos here to Maybe we love

1475
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:23,599
Speaker 1: Brad Veitch's Executive of the Year, but John Schneider of

1476
01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:27,440
Speaker 1: De Peer, Wisconsin, by the way, the old Saint Norbert fullback.

1477
01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:33,240
Speaker 1: He just keeps punching away and I still see him

1478
01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:35,880
Speaker 1: wearing the championship belt after they want it all back

1479
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:40,040
Speaker 1: in what twenty twelve or eleven, ten, thirteen, But now

1480
01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:44,439
Speaker 1: they're reborn and McDonald's rebirthed those guys. I love his style.

1481
01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:47,680
Speaker 1: I like that team. I love their toughness. And you

1482
01:09:47,720 --> 01:09:50,639
Speaker 1: talk about he has made Sam Darnold a winning quarterback. Yeah,

1483
01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:54,400
Speaker 1: so Mike McDonald of the Seahawks.

1484
01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:55,640
Speaker 3: I like it, right. So that's it for the awards.

1485
01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:58,439
Speaker 3: Now we're all going to give our final thought, and

1486
01:09:58,479 --> 01:10:01,599
Speaker 3: I just want to open them that my final thought

1487
01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:04,720
Speaker 3: is going to wildly contradict itself, So I just want

1488
01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:07,439
Speaker 3: to get that out there. So all the time during

1489
01:10:07,479 --> 01:10:09,840
Speaker 3: this year, we've talked about why the NFL is great

1490
01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:10,839
Speaker 3: is because of parody.

1491
01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:11,439
Speaker 2: It is.

1492
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:13,920
Speaker 3: It's amazing. All thirty two teams. It doesn't matter whether

1493
01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:18,120
Speaker 3: you're in Green Bay, New York, Miami, Seattle, Kansas City.

1494
01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:20,879
Speaker 3: Everybody's got the same shot to win. And that is amazing.

1495
01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:23,200
Speaker 3: And I love that about the NFL. And look at

1496
01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:25,439
Speaker 3: all these teams we've been talking about that you weren't

1497
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:27,920
Speaker 3: very good last year, and just one year later, all

1498
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:29,400
Speaker 3: of a sudden, they're in the playoffs and they're a

1499
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:32,560
Speaker 3: super Bowl contender. Oh that's great. But here's my contradiction

1500
01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:35,799
Speaker 3: as someone who considers themselves a bit of a historian

1501
01:10:35,880 --> 01:10:38,160
Speaker 3: of the National Football League. Maybe not on Mitch's level,

1502
01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:40,640
Speaker 3: but I'm happy to be in second place behind him.

1503
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:45,320
Speaker 3: The dynasties are what shaped the history of the game,

1504
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:47,120
Speaker 3: and it's just a little bit of a bummer when

1505
01:10:47,160 --> 01:10:49,320
Speaker 3: I look at these Shears playoffs. It may be the

1506
01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:52,440
Speaker 3: start of a new dynasty. But the ones that were potentially,

1507
01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:56,000
Speaker 3: you know, dynasties in progress, like the Chiefs, or even

1508
01:10:56,439 --> 01:10:58,599
Speaker 3: had the Eagles still been in the playoffs and they

1509
01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:00,800
Speaker 3: had a chance to repeat. Because I grew up it

1510
01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:04,720
Speaker 3: was basically Dallas or San Francisco or Green Bay. In

1511
01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:06,400
Speaker 3: the NFC, it felt like they went to the super

1512
01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:09,080
Speaker 3: Bowl every year. The other teams might occasionally have a womb.

1513
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:12,519
Speaker 3: So while parody is great, I love the talk of dynasties.

1514
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:14,320
Speaker 3: I mean last year talking about the Chiefs trying to

1515
01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:16,160
Speaker 3: win three in a row, So like that kind of

1516
01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:18,320
Speaker 3: storyline is missing. We're going to have a new champion.

1517
01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:20,400
Speaker 3: There's going to be a super Bowl winning quarterback. With

1518
01:11:20,479 --> 01:11:22,920
Speaker 3: the exception of Stafford, that really isn't a guy in

1519
01:11:22,960 --> 01:11:25,000
Speaker 3: there who you think is creating like a legacy of

1520
01:11:25,080 --> 01:11:28,120
Speaker 3: multiple super Bowl titles. So I know it's a contradiction.

1521
01:11:28,280 --> 01:11:30,800
Speaker 3: I love parody, but I also love dynasties because it's

1522
01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:33,240
Speaker 3: the legacy. When we talk about the greatest teams in

1523
01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:36,840
Speaker 3: NFL history, most recently of course our beloved Chiefs, that

1524
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:40,240
Speaker 3: just brings an extra bit of potential history to the playoffs.

1525
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:42,599
Speaker 3: So this year it may be the start of something new.

1526
01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:44,320
Speaker 3: I sure hope not, because I don't want there to

1527
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:46,080
Speaker 3: be a new dynasty because I want to Chiefs want

1528
01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:48,600
Speaker 3: to continue next season. But I'm looking forward to the

1529
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:50,519
Speaker 3: rest of the playoffs. But I do miss the fact

1530
01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:53,120
Speaker 3: that there's no team here that's in the middle of

1531
01:11:53,160 --> 01:11:55,080
Speaker 3: a dynasty. And that's my final thought.

1532
01:11:55,960 --> 01:11:58,519
Speaker 2: So my final thought has to do with something that

1533
01:11:58,760 --> 01:12:01,320
Speaker 2: all three of us are very in and that is

1534
01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:05,240
Speaker 2: the preseason. Now, it might seem odd to discuss the

1535
01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:08,240
Speaker 2: preseason when the NFL playoffs are going on, but one

1536
01:12:08,240 --> 01:12:10,360
Speaker 2: thing I've been thinking about lately, and Mitch and I

1537
01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:14,320
Speaker 2: have talked about this a lot, is that the Chiefs

1538
01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:18,080
Speaker 2: the last couple of years just have not impressed us

1539
01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:21,960
Speaker 2: in the preseason. Right, And if you're listening, you might say,

1540
01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:25,200
Speaker 2: who cares, it's the preseason, the games don't matter. Well,

1541
01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:28,519
Speaker 2: I think if you look at Seattle when we played

1542
01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:31,679
Speaker 2: them in the preseason earlier this year, I came away

1543
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:34,000
Speaker 2: from that game thinking that team is really good, like

1544
01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:35,680
Speaker 2: a lot better than I thought they were going to be.

1545
01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:38,800
Speaker 2: And look at them now. I think how you play

1546
01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:43,519
Speaker 2: in the preseason, even with your fourth stringers, even though

1547
01:12:43,560 --> 01:12:45,920
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter in the end in terms of the score,

1548
01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:49,200
Speaker 2: how you play matters, and I think it affects how

1549
01:12:49,240 --> 01:12:51,439
Speaker 2: you play throughout the season, and it can almost be

1550
01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:53,920
Speaker 2: kind of like a little preview of what a team

1551
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:57,480
Speaker 2: could be because their top to bottom talent, their intensity,

1552
01:12:57,520 --> 01:13:00,920
Speaker 2: how they're playing that might shine through. And I just

1553
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:04,640
Speaker 2: remember leaving that Seattle game being really impressed with the Seahawks,

1554
01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:06,760
Speaker 2: kind of going into it not really sure what they

1555
01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:09,080
Speaker 2: are going to be, and coming away thinking, I think

1556
01:13:09,080 --> 01:13:11,559
Speaker 2: they might be really good. And now they're the one

1557
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:13,280
Speaker 2: seed in the NFC and we think they might go

1558
01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:16,240
Speaker 2: to the Super Bowl and win it. So I use

1559
01:13:16,280 --> 01:13:18,599
Speaker 2: all this to say, I hope and we're all getting

1560
01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:21,599
Speaker 2: together in August and watching the Chiefs in the preseason,

1561
01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:23,880
Speaker 2: particularly after a season like the one we just had,

1562
01:13:24,160 --> 01:13:26,800
Speaker 2: I hope we come away from those preseason games saying, hey,

1563
01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:28,960
Speaker 2: I think these are the Chiefs that we know they

1564
01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:31,360
Speaker 2: can be. This is the team we expected because they're

1565
01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:35,520
Speaker 2: playing a certain way, a certain impressive caliber of football

1566
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:38,760
Speaker 2: that we're accustomed to, right, And hopefully that could be

1567
01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:40,800
Speaker 2: a preview for a great Chief season to come.

1568
01:13:41,240 --> 01:13:43,400
Speaker 3: And I'll tag that with when I first started with

1569
01:13:43,439 --> 01:13:46,799
Speaker 3: the Chiefs, it felt like those preseason games that winning

1570
01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:49,880
Speaker 3: was of paramount importance. I can remember Andy Reid talking

1571
01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:52,040
Speaker 3: about how important it was to win in the preseason,

1572
01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:55,240
Speaker 3: and that's why that last preseason game when they lost

1573
01:13:55,280 --> 01:13:57,679
Speaker 3: the lead against the Bears, it actually kind of stung

1574
01:13:57,760 --> 01:13:59,800
Speaker 3: I thought, well, that's not the way it normally goes

1575
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:03,320
Speaker 3: round here. Winning in the preseason does matter, so I

1576
01:14:03,479 --> 01:14:05,880
Speaker 3: echo that. I think winning all the time is a

1577
01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:08,080
Speaker 3: part of the culture, and I expect the Chiefs to

1578
01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:10,560
Speaker 3: win a bunch of preseason game six. You're now to

1579
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:11,959
Speaker 3: Minch for your final thought.

1580
01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:15,559
Speaker 1: Well, let me tag both of your thoughts. First, it's

1581
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:17,400
Speaker 1: going to be so much harder for a dynasty the

1582
01:14:17,439 --> 01:14:21,040
Speaker 1: seventeenth game, and that seventeenth game is against the best

1583
01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:23,960
Speaker 1: team from the other conference from the year before. To

1584
01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:29,200
Speaker 1: the proliferation of the international games makes it much more difficult.

1585
01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:33,360
Speaker 1: It's hard to do, and I'm with Matt. Matt and

1586
01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:35,679
Speaker 1: I have talked about this a lot. You've not called,

1587
01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:38,639
Speaker 1: nor have I a preseason win for two years are Yeah,

1588
01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:42,920
Speaker 1: it's been for an over now. They don't count, but

1589
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:45,120
Speaker 1: they matter. They count when you lose them all and

1590
01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:47,320
Speaker 1: it gives you an indication of the guts of your roster.

1591
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:51,800
Speaker 1: My closing thought is a team can be scheduled out

1592
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:56,120
Speaker 1: of a season. You had two preseason games are close

1593
01:14:56,160 --> 01:14:58,920
Speaker 1: to you. You're at Seattle in Arizona. We got back

1594
01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:01,240
Speaker 1: at six am. Yeah, and we're in that we're in

1595
01:15:01,320 --> 01:15:03,680
Speaker 1: the middle of camp or trying to figure out get

1596
01:15:03,680 --> 01:15:07,280
Speaker 1: our roster. Keep in mind we've had the shortest preseason

1597
01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:08,200
Speaker 1: for what three years in a row?

1598
01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:08,880
Speaker 2: Three years in a row.

1599
01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:12,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, the shortest preseason. We started playing two preseason games

1600
01:15:12,920 --> 01:15:17,040
Speaker 1: at Seattle and are Arizona. We started the season at Brazil.

1601
01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:19,600
Speaker 1: We waited on a plane for two hours before we

1602
01:15:19,680 --> 01:15:21,639
Speaker 1: left to take it a ten and a half hour flight,

1603
01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:23,920
Speaker 1: to lose two hours, to go an hour and a

1604
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:26,679
Speaker 1: half through customs, to drive almost two hours across town.

1605
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:28,040
Speaker 1: That was just to get there.

1606
01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:28,720
Speaker 2: Well you put it that.

1607
01:15:28,720 --> 01:15:32,920
Speaker 1: Well, now, man, we're not done because we also played

1608
01:15:32,920 --> 01:15:35,760
Speaker 1: Monday night on the road and Sunday night on the

1609
01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:39,679
Speaker 1: road all before Columbus Day. All of that was packed

1610
01:15:39,720 --> 01:15:42,559
Speaker 1: in before Columbus Day. To me, this team a tired

1611
01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:46,479
Speaker 1: team anyway. Stretching the rubber band was given little chance

1612
01:15:47,160 --> 01:15:49,600
Speaker 1: because we got thrown into the fire right out of

1613
01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:53,880
Speaker 1: the gut. So you can schedule, when the schedule comes out,

1614
01:15:53,920 --> 01:15:57,759
Speaker 1: who plays whom, When who's got who's got the international games?

1615
01:15:57,800 --> 01:16:01,320
Speaker 1: Where are they setting? And even for us like the

1616
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:04,320
Speaker 1: preseason games, which is why I'm looking at your background

1617
01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:06,280
Speaker 1: and I still see Australia on there.

1618
01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:07,040
Speaker 2: That's right.

1619
01:16:08,439 --> 01:16:12,320
Speaker 1: I see Australia right behind Geha Field at Arrowhead and

1620
01:16:12,360 --> 01:16:14,160
Speaker 1: the first game is probably going to be an Australia.

1621
01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:16,240
Speaker 1: I don't want to I love Australia. I want to

1622
01:16:16,280 --> 01:16:17,600
Speaker 1: go there. I don't want to play the Rams in

1623
01:16:17,640 --> 01:16:19,559
Speaker 1: Australia and Nick One just me.

1624
01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:23,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true, that's true. But this was so fun.

1625
01:16:23,479 --> 01:16:25,240
Speaker 3: I like having the three of us back together.

1626
01:16:25,439 --> 01:16:25,679
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1627
01:16:25,720 --> 01:16:28,200
Speaker 3: So that's going to do it for out West guys.

1628
01:16:28,280 --> 01:16:30,200
Speaker 3: This is going to be a fun weekend. I love

1629
01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:33,040
Speaker 3: divisional round and I look forward to talking more playoffs

1630
01:16:33,040 --> 01:16:35,040
Speaker 3: with you guys next week. And I appreciate both of

1631
01:16:35,080 --> 01:16:35,719
Speaker 3: you so much.

1632
01:16:36,439 --> 01:16:39,040
Speaker 1: All Right, thanks to Arian all here long of giving

1633
01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:43,000
Speaker 1: us his expertise and covering the league. Now we pivot.

1634
01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:47,160
Speaker 1: Now we turn to twenty six and basically this is

1635
01:16:47,240 --> 01:16:50,400
Speaker 1: going to happen in sequence. But the first thing we

1636
01:16:50,400 --> 01:16:52,599
Speaker 1: need to do is give kudos to chief general Manager

1637
01:16:52,600 --> 01:16:55,760
Speaker 1: of Bredveach and his entire staff. Here's why you just

1638
01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:57,320
Speaker 1: heard Matt and I in the first part of this

1639
01:16:57,400 --> 01:17:01,000
Speaker 1: podcast breaking down. We had time to do some analysis

1640
01:17:01,240 --> 01:17:04,160
Speaker 1: we've never been able to do in ten years. I'm

1641
01:17:04,200 --> 01:17:09,559
Speaker 1: going through ten played defensive efficiency, scoring, deficiency, efficiency. Brett

1642
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:12,080
Speaker 1: Veach has had to do both. Otherwise, you and I

1643
01:17:12,120 --> 01:17:14,599
Speaker 1: for ten years have been getting ready for oh, would

1644
01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:16,320
Speaker 1: be the Houston game, or we're getting ready for the

1645
01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:19,680
Speaker 1: Denver game here in the playoffs, or we got to

1646
01:17:19,680 --> 01:17:22,040
Speaker 1: go to New England, or no, we're sitting here doing

1647
01:17:22,040 --> 01:17:25,240
Speaker 1: deep dives. What fans need to know is that for

1648
01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:29,080
Speaker 1: ten years plus, Brett Veach and his crew, and since

1649
01:17:29,120 --> 01:17:31,600
Speaker 1: Brett took over his gym and John Dorsey before that,

1650
01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:34,720
Speaker 1: they have to have done both. They've had to do

1651
01:17:34,760 --> 01:17:38,519
Speaker 1: both of this for ten years, Like they have to

1652
01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:40,439
Speaker 1: do all the deep dive and looking at where do

1653
01:17:40,479 --> 01:17:42,879
Speaker 1: we fix and where's our board and in the meantime

1654
01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:46,360
Speaker 1: still have a season going on where it's intense and

1655
01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:48,479
Speaker 1: trying to get to the super Bowl. It blows me

1656
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:51,640
Speaker 1: away how much Brett Veach and his crew has to

1657
01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:54,479
Speaker 1: be on point all the time, especially what they've done

1658
01:17:54,520 --> 01:17:55,000
Speaker 1: of the past.

1659
01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:57,920
Speaker 2: Dick I liked after twenty two and twenty three when

1660
01:17:57,920 --> 01:18:00,559
Speaker 2: he would text you the picture of their after room.

1661
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:03,679
Speaker 2: They're like them watching prospects the day after the parade.

1662
01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:07,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're all in kind of a post parade stupor yeah,

1663
01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:09,439
Speaker 1: and they're like in there at seven.

1664
01:18:09,280 --> 01:18:13,000
Speaker 2: O'clock grinding linebacker tape. I'm got these guys, you know,

1665
01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:15,240
Speaker 2: what kind of life do they have? Wellthough, the commitment

1666
01:18:15,280 --> 01:18:20,120
Speaker 2: is incredible, and that's why Brett and the front office

1667
01:18:20,320 --> 01:18:23,920
Speaker 2: deserve the benefit of the doubt here. That what's so

1668
01:18:24,280 --> 01:18:26,840
Speaker 2: remarkable about this past season, the reason it kind of

1669
01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:30,559
Speaker 2: stings so much is we're not used to it. This team,

1670
01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:34,320
Speaker 2: since twenty thirteen, had a winning season every single year,

1671
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:36,799
Speaker 2: went to the playoffs every single year, with the exception

1672
01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:40,040
Speaker 2: of twenty fourteen, won the division every single year since

1673
01:18:40,040 --> 01:18:44,160
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen. Then this year happens and it's like, whoa, Like,

1674
01:18:44,240 --> 01:18:46,320
Speaker 2: what happened? We're not used to this. We're not used

1675
01:18:46,320 --> 01:18:48,120
Speaker 2: to it because Brett veach in this front office and

1676
01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:52,040
Speaker 2: coach reading the coaching staff every single year with no

1677
01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:54,759
Speaker 2: time to really do it and prepare, when other teams

1678
01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:56,960
Speaker 2: have all the time in the world to prepare, finding

1679
01:18:56,960 --> 01:18:59,480
Speaker 2: ways to turn things over and put out a championship

1680
01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:01,760
Speaker 2: level team. If you look at some of the teams

1681
01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:03,600
Speaker 2: that are in the playoffs this year, a lot of

1682
01:19:03,640 --> 01:19:07,080
Speaker 2: them missed last year. I think about New England, right,

1683
01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:10,240
Speaker 2: New England goes three to fourteen. Last year they had

1684
01:19:10,280 --> 01:19:13,839
Speaker 2: plenty of time to turn things over into pivot before

1685
01:19:14,040 --> 01:19:16,839
Speaker 2: this season. That's normally the case. That's how the NFL

1686
01:19:16,960 --> 01:19:20,360
Speaker 2: is designed, as you're supposed to have teams every single

1687
01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:22,120
Speaker 2: year that have a shot, and teams that weren't very

1688
01:19:22,120 --> 01:19:24,160
Speaker 2: good the year prior they have a shot the next year.

1689
01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:26,960
Speaker 2: It's designed that way. They have more time, more money,

1690
01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:30,160
Speaker 2: a higher draft pick, all that stuff. The Chiefs year

1691
01:19:30,200 --> 01:19:33,280
Speaker 2: after year found a way to sustain success to spite

1692
01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:37,679
Speaker 2: many disadvantages. Right, And one thing I'm excited about again

1693
01:19:37,720 --> 01:19:40,479
Speaker 2: this year is for the first time in forever, we

1694
01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:43,400
Speaker 2: actually have that advantage and we have the people in

1695
01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:47,160
Speaker 2: charge that for years one despite not having it. Now

1696
01:19:47,200 --> 01:19:49,200
Speaker 2: they have it. The question is how do they use it?

1697
01:19:49,320 --> 01:19:51,280
Speaker 2: And that's something I'm fired up about this offseason.

1698
01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:54,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is your neighbor Jeff, running a marathon and

1699
01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:56,639
Speaker 1: fixing your HVAC all at the same time. That's what Brett

1700
01:19:56,720 --> 01:20:02,320
Speaker 1: Veach has had to do in his staff. So they're

1701
01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:05,240
Speaker 1: involved in the next sequence of events that I'm going

1702
01:20:05,280 --> 01:20:08,439
Speaker 1: to give you Between now and let's say the start

1703
01:20:08,479 --> 01:20:11,639
Speaker 1: of free agency, which is the official start of the year. Well,

1704
01:20:11,680 --> 01:20:13,679
Speaker 1: these other teams are slugging it out in the playoffs

1705
01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:18,280
Speaker 1: where we normally are, we're now looking at a first

1706
01:20:18,280 --> 01:20:20,760
Speaker 1: of all, as staff. You look at staff, and we've

1707
01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:25,240
Speaker 1: seen these head coaching positions come open, some very surprising

1708
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:28,840
Speaker 1: Ravens and Steelers come to mind. You're talking shocking are

1709
01:20:28,840 --> 01:20:32,759
Speaker 1: combined almost forty years of head coach. Two head coaches

1710
01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:35,439
Speaker 1: in that spot, those spots that are those jobs are

1711
01:20:35,439 --> 01:20:39,000
Speaker 1: both now open. Two super Bowl championships. It's a lot

1712
01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:41,760
Speaker 1: that's cataclysmic. It reminds me of coach Reid when he

1713
01:20:41,840 --> 01:20:44,960
Speaker 1: got let go by the Eagles in twenty twelve, December

1714
01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:48,240
Speaker 1: thirty one. It's that with Tomlin and Harbaugh being in

1715
01:20:48,280 --> 01:20:50,880
Speaker 1: the market, it's a game changer out there, all right.

1716
01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:54,840
Speaker 1: But the Chiefs look at their own staff and Coach

1717
01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:58,040
Speaker 1: Reed looks at the staff and evaluates everybody on the staff.

1718
01:20:58,360 --> 01:21:01,320
Speaker 1: Some you lose. We've been fortunate to keep this staff

1719
01:21:01,360 --> 01:21:03,880
Speaker 1: together for a long time for the most part, but

1720
01:21:04,600 --> 01:21:07,639
Speaker 1: you always lose guys, and some you're looking at maybe

1721
01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:10,040
Speaker 1: ways of improving, and we're going to see a lot

1722
01:21:10,040 --> 01:21:12,040
Speaker 1: of this happen, I think over the next several days.

1723
01:21:12,360 --> 01:21:15,960
Speaker 1: But that's the first stage, is the inward look of

1724
01:21:16,080 --> 01:21:20,720
Speaker 1: who's getting invited to interview and then who maybe do

1725
01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:24,960
Speaker 1: you make room for or make a position group swhich

1726
01:21:26,479 --> 01:21:28,160
Speaker 1: and look at your own staff and go, we've got

1727
01:21:28,160 --> 01:21:29,479
Speaker 1: to get better in certain areas.

1728
01:21:29,800 --> 01:21:33,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I don't think it's only limited to changes.

1729
01:21:34,080 --> 01:21:36,479
Speaker 2: I think it's also an opportunity for self reflection.

1730
01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:37,200
Speaker 1: Right.

1731
01:21:37,680 --> 01:21:41,679
Speaker 2: I think one of the best attributes of a champion,

1732
01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:44,559
Speaker 2: of someone who's really good at what they do, is

1733
01:21:44,600 --> 01:21:47,599
Speaker 2: they're able to reflect and say, hey, this works really well,

1734
01:21:47,800 --> 01:21:48,920
Speaker 2: or hey I can do this better.

1735
01:21:49,040 --> 01:21:49,200
Speaker 1: Right.

1736
01:21:49,320 --> 01:21:51,600
Speaker 2: I think anyone does that in any profession, And I

1737
01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:54,120
Speaker 2: think this is a great opportunity for there to be

1738
01:21:54,160 --> 01:21:56,920
Speaker 2: a lot of self reflection on hey, these things didn't

1739
01:21:56,920 --> 01:21:59,320
Speaker 2: work out so well, or we did these things well,

1740
01:21:59,320 --> 01:22:02,200
Speaker 2: how do we build on that? And you know, part

1741
01:22:02,280 --> 01:22:04,720
Speaker 2: of fixing some of the issues we ran into this

1742
01:22:04,840 --> 01:22:08,400
Speaker 2: year isn't all about just adding new players. It's of

1743
01:22:08,439 --> 01:22:10,840
Speaker 2: developing the guys that we currently have. And we have

1744
01:22:10,880 --> 01:22:14,519
Speaker 2: a lot of really exciting young players who showed us

1745
01:22:14,520 --> 01:22:16,280
Speaker 2: some things I think over the last couple of weeks

1746
01:22:16,520 --> 01:22:19,120
Speaker 2: and that we know are have great potential and it's

1747
01:22:19,120 --> 01:22:22,839
Speaker 2: a matter of developing them. So, whether it be changes

1748
01:22:22,840 --> 01:22:27,280
Speaker 2: on the coaching staff or just new methods new ideas

1749
01:22:27,320 --> 01:22:30,000
Speaker 2: on how to get the most out of the players.

1750
01:22:29,680 --> 01:22:30,160
Speaker 1: That we have.

1751
01:22:30,640 --> 01:22:33,080
Speaker 2: This is an opportunity to think through those things. And

1752
01:22:33,320 --> 01:22:35,000
Speaker 2: you know, there's some young players on this team that

1753
01:22:35,040 --> 01:22:38,360
Speaker 2: I'm really excited about, Guys like Josh Simmons, Brishard Smith,

1754
01:22:39,000 --> 01:22:42,960
Speaker 2: Espole comes out of nowhere defensively, Noel Williams really impressive

1755
01:22:43,320 --> 01:22:46,240
Speaker 2: to close out the year. Aston Gelotti showed us some

1756
01:22:46,240 --> 01:22:48,960
Speaker 2: stuff over the course of the season at wide receiver,

1757
01:22:49,040 --> 01:22:51,680
Speaker 2: Guys like Xavier Worthy, all the potential and talent in

1758
01:22:51,720 --> 01:22:55,719
Speaker 2: the world. A lot of opportunities to have those players

1759
01:22:55,720 --> 01:22:57,760
Speaker 2: maybe take their game to the next level. And I

1760
01:22:57,800 --> 01:23:00,960
Speaker 2: think from a coaching point of view, it's not always

1761
01:23:01,040 --> 01:23:05,440
Speaker 2: just new messages. It could just be reflecting this offseason

1762
01:23:05,439 --> 01:23:08,080
Speaker 2: on hey, maybe we try this or we try that.

1763
01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:12,040
Speaker 2: There's a chance for that. So it's not always about

1764
01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:14,880
Speaker 2: just adding new faces and new players. It's also about

1765
01:23:14,880 --> 01:23:16,759
Speaker 2: making sure we're getting the most out of the guys

1766
01:23:16,760 --> 01:23:17,080
Speaker 2: we have.

1767
01:23:17,600 --> 01:23:19,640
Speaker 1: That's an excellent point, and that's a point that I

1768
01:23:19,640 --> 01:23:23,960
Speaker 1: think it's overlooked because it's less sexty because the next stage,

1769
01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:26,280
Speaker 1: after you get your staff set or you know who's

1770
01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:30,000
Speaker 1: gone and who you've hired, and this again happens now,

1771
01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:32,200
Speaker 1: it's going to happen in the next several days or

1772
01:23:32,760 --> 01:23:35,479
Speaker 1: some of that's predicated on teams in the playoffs and

1773
01:23:35,479 --> 01:23:39,799
Speaker 1: when they exit the playoffs and so forth. But another

1774
01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:43,040
Speaker 1: phase is whom do you keep them your current roster

1775
01:23:43,560 --> 01:23:45,759
Speaker 1: that would be free agents that you want to resign.

1776
01:23:46,200 --> 01:23:48,920
Speaker 1: That's the first box you check, and then next is

1777
01:23:48,960 --> 01:23:52,040
Speaker 1: what free agents do you target? But a dotted line,

1778
01:23:52,040 --> 01:23:55,280
Speaker 1: parallel box is what you've alluded to that must happen,

1779
01:23:55,760 --> 01:23:58,960
Speaker 1: that must happen, and has happened in this franchise, especially

1780
01:23:59,040 --> 01:24:02,920
Speaker 1: like the class of twenty two, is you coach them up,

1781
01:24:03,240 --> 01:24:07,120
Speaker 1: you make them better. And right now, who the crosshairs

1782
01:24:07,120 --> 01:24:10,000
Speaker 1: are on are the classes of twenty five, twenty four

1783
01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:13,559
Speaker 1: and twenty three that are still under contract. Jaden Hicks,

1784
01:24:14,200 --> 01:24:19,920
Speaker 1: Jared Wiley. Going down the line here with different players Kingsley, Suamatia,

1785
01:24:20,560 --> 01:24:21,639
Speaker 1: Felix and u dk.

1786
01:24:21,680 --> 01:24:24,120
Speaker 2: Is and Kingsley is a good example of this because

1787
01:24:24,200 --> 01:24:27,400
Speaker 2: Kingsley goes from being a tackle who struggled to whole

1788
01:24:27,439 --> 01:24:30,120
Speaker 2: new position at guard. I think we both agree Kingsley

1789
01:24:30,120 --> 01:24:32,080
Speaker 2: had a pretty good season at guard and we're excited

1790
01:24:32,080 --> 01:24:33,520
Speaker 2: about him moving forward.

1791
01:24:33,360 --> 01:24:35,200
Speaker 1: In fact, those four guys, if you go right down

1792
01:24:35,640 --> 01:24:38,840
Speaker 1: about right tackle, but you go down Trey, Creed, Kingsley,

1793
01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:41,880
Speaker 1: and Simmons, that's gonna be that's gonna be a really

1794
01:24:41,880 --> 01:24:44,960
Speaker 1: good good Okay, but you catch my point. The classes

1795
01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:46,880
Speaker 1: of twenty three, twenty four, and twenty five that are

1796
01:24:46,920 --> 01:24:49,920
Speaker 1: under contract now that you keep, you've got to coach

1797
01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:53,040
Speaker 1: them up and make them better. Jayden Hicks, to me,

1798
01:24:53,160 --> 01:24:55,760
Speaker 1: is like one of the exhibit a's of this, But

1799
01:24:55,800 --> 01:24:58,160
Speaker 1: we can look at other players throughout the roster that

1800
01:24:58,200 --> 01:25:01,920
Speaker 1: fit this category. Your point is very well taken. The

1801
01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:04,000
Speaker 1: second point is, then who do you keep of your

1802
01:25:04,200 --> 01:25:07,080
Speaker 1: impending free agents? This is the class of twenty twenty six,

1803
01:25:07,280 --> 01:25:10,400
Speaker 1: I mean twenty twenty two, who are now up. You

1804
01:25:10,439 --> 01:25:14,200
Speaker 1: can only extend the first round picks everybody else. You

1805
01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:18,200
Speaker 1: got to decide who stays who goes. That's the decision box,

1806
01:25:18,600 --> 01:25:20,800
Speaker 1: and then you target free agents to go get. But

1807
01:25:20,880 --> 01:25:24,360
Speaker 1: we also have seen everybody sees the list of potential

1808
01:25:24,400 --> 01:25:26,840
Speaker 1: free agents and just goes nuts. Let's have this guy,

1809
01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:30,000
Speaker 1: this guy, this guy, and this guy. Most of them.

1810
01:25:30,640 --> 01:25:33,160
Speaker 1: Every team in the league goes through this sequence that

1811
01:25:33,200 --> 01:25:36,920
Speaker 1: we're giving you. Most of them resigned with their team. Yeah,

1812
01:25:36,960 --> 01:25:42,000
Speaker 1: and so don't get tricked into thinking, wow, this is

1813
01:25:42,040 --> 01:25:44,799
Speaker 1: such a great group of free agents, because within forty

1814
01:25:44,800 --> 01:25:47,519
Speaker 1: eight less than forty eight hours or even before free

1815
01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:48,919
Speaker 1: agents who begins, they're extended.

1816
01:25:49,040 --> 01:25:51,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's tricky if you look at if you go

1817
01:25:51,320 --> 01:25:54,559
Speaker 2: to like overthecap dot com or spot track and you're

1818
01:25:54,560 --> 01:25:57,280
Speaker 2: looking at like potential free agents. I mean, there's so

1819
01:25:57,360 --> 01:26:00,120
Speaker 2: much time between now and when free agency opens in

1820
01:26:00,120 --> 01:26:02,519
Speaker 2: early March that guys are going to get franchise tagged,

1821
01:26:02,520 --> 01:26:05,839
Speaker 2: they're going to get resigned, whatever it's going to change,

1822
01:26:06,240 --> 01:26:08,599
Speaker 2: still going to be opportunities for the Chiefs to add

1823
01:26:08,600 --> 01:26:12,200
Speaker 2: some players. Though to your point, we currently have twenty

1824
01:26:12,280 --> 01:26:16,719
Speaker 2: three pending unrestricted free agents. So it's a lot of players,

1825
01:26:16,720 --> 01:26:19,160
Speaker 2: and it's a lot of recognizable players, particularly from that

1826
01:26:19,200 --> 01:26:23,479
Speaker 2: class of twenty twenty two. You know, you evaluate which

1827
01:26:23,479 --> 01:26:25,080
Speaker 2: guys from that group you want to bring back, and

1828
01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:26,800
Speaker 2: you also look at the landscape of the guys that

1829
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:28,840
Speaker 2: do make it to free agency from other teams and

1830
01:26:29,320 --> 01:26:32,000
Speaker 2: which ones are you interested in bringing in here. You know,

1831
01:26:32,040 --> 01:26:33,840
Speaker 2: one thing that she's have been so good about over

1832
01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:37,760
Speaker 2: the years under Brett Veach is not always having to

1833
01:26:37,800 --> 01:26:42,120
Speaker 2: have the big splash, but finding big names that make

1834
01:26:42,160 --> 01:26:46,080
Speaker 2: big contributions like a couple weeks later. So I don't

1835
01:26:46,080 --> 01:26:48,160
Speaker 2: know what Brett Beach will do. It's sure maybe they'll

1836
01:26:48,160 --> 01:26:50,679
Speaker 2: make a few big splash moves. But also like finding

1837
01:26:50,760 --> 01:26:53,720
Speaker 2: guys like Drew Tranquill in the offseason of twenty twenty three,

1838
01:26:55,120 --> 01:26:57,720
Speaker 2: like two weeks after free agency open, like on a

1839
01:26:57,760 --> 01:27:00,080
Speaker 2: Friday at four o'clock, and that player ends up being

1840
01:27:00,160 --> 01:27:04,000
Speaker 2: like critical to a Super Bowl run. Finding guys like

1841
01:27:04,040 --> 01:27:07,320
Speaker 2: that too. So free agency is going to be exciting

1842
01:27:07,560 --> 01:27:10,800
Speaker 2: this year because again, I think there is a mandate

1843
01:27:11,000 --> 01:27:15,000
Speaker 2: right now that last year was not acceptable, right and

1844
01:27:15,080 --> 01:27:17,120
Speaker 2: that's not just coming from us. Everyone knows that in

1845
01:27:17,160 --> 01:27:20,559
Speaker 2: this building. Bretteach knows that. So this is an exciting

1846
01:27:20,600 --> 01:27:24,120
Speaker 2: offseason in that regard to go into free agency and

1847
01:27:24,160 --> 01:27:25,960
Speaker 2: what you want to do before the draft is you

1848
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:28,160
Speaker 2: want to set yourself up where you can take the

1849
01:27:28,200 --> 01:27:31,280
Speaker 2: best players available you don't want to and they did

1850
01:27:31,280 --> 01:27:34,080
Speaker 2: that with offensive tackle last year for example. Like you

1851
01:27:34,120 --> 01:27:36,200
Speaker 2: look at the draft last year, like, hey, if Josh

1852
01:27:36,240 --> 01:27:39,400
Speaker 2: Simmons falls to us, that'd be incredible, that'd be amazing,

1853
01:27:39,520 --> 01:27:41,080
Speaker 2: But you can't bank on it. You don't want to

1854
01:27:41,120 --> 01:27:43,280
Speaker 2: go into the draft saying I really hope Josh Simmons

1855
01:27:43,360 --> 01:27:45,200
Speaker 2: falls to us. So you go out there and he

1856
01:27:45,240 --> 01:27:47,400
Speaker 2: signed Jalen Moore, a player that you believe in, and

1857
01:27:47,439 --> 01:27:49,240
Speaker 2: what do you know, Josh Simmons falls to you and

1858
01:27:49,320 --> 01:27:51,840
Speaker 2: you can get even better at that position. But I

1859
01:27:51,880 --> 01:27:54,599
Speaker 2: fully anticipate the Chiefs will do a similar thing this offseason,

1860
01:27:54,640 --> 01:27:57,320
Speaker 2: where you look at the areas you want to improve,

1861
01:27:58,080 --> 01:28:00,680
Speaker 2: and you improve via free agency, and then you go

1862
01:28:00,720 --> 01:28:02,599
Speaker 2: into the draft with an opportunity to take the best

1863
01:28:02,600 --> 01:28:05,760
Speaker 2: players available. And if that means that you keep supplementing

1864
01:28:05,800 --> 01:28:08,679
Speaker 2: those areas that you began free agency trying to address, great,

1865
01:28:08,720 --> 01:28:10,360
Speaker 2: But also maybe it means you end up with some

1866
01:28:10,360 --> 01:28:12,960
Speaker 2: players at positions that you didn't think were a need,

1867
01:28:13,160 --> 01:28:14,920
Speaker 2: but you get a really good football player at that

1868
01:28:14,960 --> 01:28:18,479
Speaker 2: spot and great value. So it begins with free agency

1869
01:28:18,680 --> 01:28:19,760
Speaker 2: and the draft follows it.

1870
01:28:20,120 --> 01:28:23,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, and another part of this phase. And I don't

1871
01:28:23,680 --> 01:28:30,800
Speaker 1: know what the German version of spot track is Deutsche

1872
01:28:30,840 --> 01:28:34,880
Speaker 1: Deutsche Deutsche Deutsche track Cap. I'll think of over the

1873
01:28:34,920 --> 01:28:38,040
Speaker 1: cap in German and have it for the next episode.

1874
01:28:38,040 --> 01:28:40,000
Speaker 1: But if you look at those sites, you're going, oh

1875
01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:42,080
Speaker 1: my god, we're fifty eight million over the cap like

1876
01:28:42,120 --> 01:28:42,920
Speaker 1: it's the apocalypse.

1877
01:28:43,080 --> 01:28:44,519
Speaker 2: Don't don't worry about We're all gonna die.

1878
01:28:44,800 --> 01:28:45,599
Speaker 1: It'll be figured out.

1879
01:28:45,600 --> 01:28:46,320
Speaker 2: Okay, don't worry.

1880
01:28:46,360 --> 01:28:49,360
Speaker 1: But there's already a planned for it. Yeah. But in

1881
01:28:49,400 --> 01:28:52,840
Speaker 1: this phase of what players do we have in free

1882
01:28:52,840 --> 01:28:54,800
Speaker 1: agency that we would like to kind of have come

1883
01:28:54,840 --> 01:28:59,599
Speaker 1: back or who we can afford, is also the era

1884
01:28:59,760 --> 01:29:03,840
Speaker 1: of extensions or restructuring, and we've seen that and seeing

1885
01:29:03,880 --> 01:29:06,360
Speaker 1: in every team around the league, most notably the ones

1886
01:29:06,400 --> 01:29:10,000
Speaker 1: with the bigger contracts. You can restructure, you can extend,

1887
01:29:11,560 --> 01:29:13,519
Speaker 1: and we can do our own version of tagging, right

1888
01:29:13,560 --> 01:29:18,880
Speaker 1: whether it's franchise tag or transitional tag. But the point

1889
01:29:18,960 --> 01:29:22,160
Speaker 1: is you make those decisions now you're in negotiation with

1890
01:29:22,200 --> 01:29:25,000
Speaker 1: your current players of Okay, we've got to free up

1891
01:29:25,000 --> 01:29:27,720
Speaker 1: some space here. We can free up twenty million by

1892
01:29:27,720 --> 01:29:31,040
Speaker 1: doing this restructuring. And that's part of this phase too,

1893
01:29:31,080 --> 01:29:33,640
Speaker 1: that is happening right now, which again makes it all

1894
01:29:33,680 --> 01:29:35,760
Speaker 1: the more impressive of what Brett Beach has done because

1895
01:29:35,760 --> 01:29:38,320
Speaker 1: I'm thinking he did all this stuff we're talking about,

1896
01:29:38,520 --> 01:29:40,240
Speaker 1: and you and I aren't thinking about all this stuff,

1897
01:29:40,280 --> 01:29:42,360
Speaker 1: and we're talking about if we're playing football.

1898
01:29:42,560 --> 01:29:45,439
Speaker 2: And this is also why Patrick Mahomes is the ultimate

1899
01:29:45,560 --> 01:29:46,240
Speaker 2: team player.

1900
01:29:46,280 --> 01:29:46,839
Speaker 1: He's awesome.

1901
01:29:46,880 --> 01:29:50,200
Speaker 2: And why his contract is so beneficial to the Chiefs

1902
01:29:51,080 --> 01:29:53,240
Speaker 2: not in terms of like the money, it's in terms

1903
01:29:53,240 --> 01:29:55,760
Speaker 2: of the length. The fact that Mahomes signs such a

1904
01:29:55,760 --> 01:29:59,280
Speaker 2: long contract. It allows Brett in the front office to

1905
01:29:59,320 --> 01:30:02,080
Speaker 2: have a runway to know, Hey, if we want to

1906
01:30:02,160 --> 01:30:04,160
Speaker 2: convert some of his money into a signing bonus and

1907
01:30:04,160 --> 01:30:05,920
Speaker 2: spread it out, we can do it over the course

1908
01:30:05,960 --> 01:30:09,120
Speaker 2: of several years. We know how much he's on the

1909
01:30:09,120 --> 01:30:14,120
Speaker 2: books for in twenty twenty seven. You know, like, it's

1910
01:30:14,120 --> 01:30:16,120
Speaker 2: so beneficial. You look at a lot of these contracts

1911
01:30:16,160 --> 01:30:19,920
Speaker 2: for quarterbacks around the NFL MAX. They're six years, right,

1912
01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:22,439
Speaker 2: and that's a long contract. Normally they're like three years

1913
01:30:22,439 --> 01:30:24,960
Speaker 2: because the player is just trying to maximize their value

1914
01:30:25,240 --> 01:30:28,240
Speaker 2: every single year. And you know, I don't blame the

1915
01:30:28,280 --> 01:30:30,439
Speaker 2: player for that, but that is a player trying to

1916
01:30:30,479 --> 01:30:34,760
Speaker 2: maximize their financial gains. Patrick Mahomes when you signed that deal,

1917
01:30:35,360 --> 01:30:37,240
Speaker 2: was thinking about, Hey, I want to win here as

1918
01:30:37,320 --> 01:30:39,960
Speaker 2: much as possible. I want the Chiefs to win as

1919
01:30:40,040 --> 01:30:42,479
Speaker 2: much as possible, and I think we're going to see

1920
01:30:42,479 --> 01:30:44,559
Speaker 2: it this offseason. We're having the benefit of a long

1921
01:30:44,600 --> 01:30:47,400
Speaker 2: contract like that with your best player, your franchise player,

1922
01:30:47,439 --> 01:30:50,439
Speaker 2: your quarterback, a future Hall of Famer, and not having

1923
01:30:50,439 --> 01:30:53,160
Speaker 2: to worry about that aspect where his contract is actually

1924
01:30:53,320 --> 01:30:55,840
Speaker 2: a benefit. You can use that to help us right

1925
01:30:55,880 --> 01:30:58,400
Speaker 2: now as opposed to like, oh man and we got

1926
01:30:58,400 --> 01:31:00,600
Speaker 2: to figure out a way to sign him again and

1927
01:31:00,640 --> 01:31:03,600
Speaker 2: all that. It's just a big benefit. So Patrick Mahomes

1928
01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:07,280
Speaker 2: is the best for a million reasons, but that's certainly

1929
01:31:07,320 --> 01:31:07,840
Speaker 2: one of them.

1930
01:31:08,240 --> 01:31:10,320
Speaker 1: In thirty two years, I don't think I've ever seen

1931
01:31:10,400 --> 01:31:14,680
Speaker 1: a player because you hear about quarterbacks many time being

1932
01:31:14,720 --> 01:31:18,200
Speaker 1: the extension of their coach and the way they think,

1933
01:31:18,240 --> 01:31:21,640
Speaker 1: and he's certainly that. I mean, he's so analytical in

1934
01:31:21,720 --> 01:31:24,519
Speaker 1: the way he prepares. I don't think in thirty two

1935
01:31:24,600 --> 01:31:28,880
Speaker 1: years I have seen a player that thinks like his

1936
01:31:29,040 --> 01:31:32,639
Speaker 1: general manager. Yeah, he is a general manager And would

1937
01:31:32,640 --> 01:31:36,160
Speaker 1: it stun any of us someday And I don't know

1938
01:31:36,160 --> 01:31:37,640
Speaker 1: if Britney would allow him to do it or not

1939
01:31:37,800 --> 01:31:41,479
Speaker 1: because of the hours involved, that would it stun you?

1940
01:31:41,520 --> 01:31:44,200
Speaker 1: And that Patrick Mahomes would be a general manager or somebody. Now,

1941
01:31:44,200 --> 01:31:45,080
Speaker 1: he'd be really good at it.

1942
01:31:45,479 --> 01:31:45,799
Speaker 2: Awesome.

1943
01:31:46,439 --> 01:31:49,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so all this stuff we're talking about, He's like, Yeah,

1944
01:31:49,520 --> 01:31:51,800
Speaker 1: I could do all that one hundred and I'm not

1945
01:31:51,920 --> 01:31:54,920
Speaker 1: sure if we've had all the thirty two quarterbacks lined up,

1946
01:31:55,080 --> 01:31:56,200
Speaker 1: how many would be that way.

1947
01:31:56,360 --> 01:32:00,760
Speaker 2: Now, I agree again because most quarter I think, are

1948
01:32:00,800 --> 01:32:03,920
Speaker 2: interested at the end of the day in just maximizing

1949
01:32:03,960 --> 01:32:07,439
Speaker 2: their own personal value and nothing wrong with that. That's

1950
01:32:07,479 --> 01:32:10,880
Speaker 2: human nature. But Mahomes has found a way to make

1951
01:32:10,920 --> 01:32:12,719
Speaker 2: a lot of money and have a good living while

1952
01:32:12,760 --> 01:32:18,520
Speaker 2: also trying to ensure this organization has success. And this offseason,

1953
01:32:18,560 --> 01:32:20,920
Speaker 2: when we're in a position where we're probably going to

1954
01:32:21,000 --> 01:32:23,360
Speaker 2: have some turnover at some positions and make some changes,

1955
01:32:24,040 --> 01:32:26,920
Speaker 2: having that guy with the foresight to give us a

1956
01:32:26,960 --> 01:32:29,160
Speaker 2: contract like this that we can work with, it's a

1957
01:32:29,160 --> 01:32:32,040
Speaker 2: big benefit. So again, he's the best for a million reasons,

1958
01:32:32,040 --> 01:32:33,200
Speaker 2: and that's definitely one of them.

1959
01:32:33,320 --> 01:32:35,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, Chris Jones is another one who could restructure here too.

1960
01:32:36,240 --> 01:32:38,600
Speaker 1: That's a contract that could you know, you work on

1961
01:32:38,640 --> 01:32:42,120
Speaker 1: getting some caproom. Anyway, that's where we're at and it

1962
01:32:42,240 --> 01:32:45,120
Speaker 1: is a big pivot. Now we'll talk about the draft

1963
01:32:45,280 --> 01:32:50,040
Speaker 1: at nauseum, yes, but it's really getting ready to get

1964
01:32:50,080 --> 01:32:53,040
Speaker 1: to the combine or get to the start of the

1965
01:32:53,160 --> 01:32:57,360
Speaker 1: NFL year, which happens in March. Early March. But the

1966
01:32:57,400 --> 01:33:01,040
Speaker 1: point is you've got to get ready. And that's where

1967
01:33:01,080 --> 01:33:04,080
Speaker 1: the chiefs are right now, and it's the big pivot,

1968
01:33:04,520 --> 01:33:07,080
Speaker 1: and that's where we're at. We're pivoting along with the

1969
01:33:07,120 --> 01:33:07,559
Speaker 1: rest of you.