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Speaker 1: Let's talk some ball, Okay. My initial reaction, like most people,

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Speaker 1: The team was terrible, and then they beat the Raiders.

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Speaker 1: weren't winning playoff games, but they were very, very competitive

426
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Speaker 1: and very well built. I saw them live multiple times.

427
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Speaker 1: Actually saw him live one time with the Eagles, and

428
00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:17,840
Speaker 1: saw him live one time with the Raiders. They beat

429
00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:19,679
Speaker 1: the crap out of when I was with the Eagles,

430
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Speaker 1: and they beat the They destroyed the Raiders in two

431
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,600
Speaker 1: thousand fifteen. That team was really good, wit Worse and

432
00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,560
Speaker 1: pac Man's and A. J. Greens and I first like

433
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:33,399
Speaker 1: that team, Geo Bardie, Giovanni Bernard. They were stacked, but

434
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 1: they had fallen on hard times and they drafted this

435
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,280
Speaker 1: kid who was let's call what it is. He was

436
00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:40,120
Speaker 1: the starting quarterback for one of the greatest teams every

437
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,199
Speaker 1: but he was a one year wonder in college and

438
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:45,800
Speaker 1: he's beyond lived up to the hype and his I

439
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:47,159
Speaker 1: love watching the guy. And I know a lot of

440
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:49,159
Speaker 1: people get mad at me, and I don't mean to

441
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,840
Speaker 1: do this, but sometimes I forget about talking about him.

442
00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:57,200
Speaker 1: When I discussed obviously Herbert Josh Allen, I throw Mahomes

443
00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:00,280
Speaker 1: the leader in the clubhouse, lamar. He deserves against talk,

444
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,720
Speaker 1: and I need to do a better job of using

445
00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,240
Speaker 1: him in that group because he's part of it, and

446
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:08,639
Speaker 1: he's one part of the crew who's gonna lead the league,

447
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:12,440
Speaker 1: as Brady retires, as Rogers goes on to do Ayahuasca,

448
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:16,080
Speaker 1: as Russell Wilson now stinks. You know, they're just that

449
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 1: quarterback class is kind of over, and this new crew

450
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,720
Speaker 1: of guys, Mahomes, alan In Borrow is a huge part

451
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 1: of that. And before I get to Herbert, like two

452
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,160
Speaker 1: was the fifth pick, and listen, I would still take

453
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Speaker 1: her Herbert over to So would the Dolphins. I got

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Speaker 1: news for your Dolphins fans. If you're a general manager

455
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 1: in your head, coach had to choose today, had to

456
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 1: choose today, would they do a straight up trade today

457
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,439
Speaker 1: for Justin Herbert over to it? They would. Now that

458
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,120
Speaker 1: doesn't I'm not trying to diminish what Tula has done,

459
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:48,119
Speaker 1: though I am still skeptical. Would be strong. There's clearly

460
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 1: a solid player, and I respect guys that their teammates respect,

461
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,160
Speaker 1: and like we've just seen it, goes the other way

462
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 1: with countless players. Clearly, the Miami Dolphins like the guy

463
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Speaker 1: as a human, and that goes a long way when

464
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Speaker 1: you're the quarterback. So he is a likable individual, high

465
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:05,119
Speaker 1: character guy, good guy. I've see all these clips like

466
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Speaker 1: he makes me laugh. I'm a pro too of the

467
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 1: human the player, Like I like my quarterback to have

468
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 1: a little bit of a stronger arm and to be

469
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 1: a better athlete. But maybe they've done such a good

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Speaker 1: job of building up around him that he's driving. I mean,

471
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Speaker 1: nineteen and three. You cannot dispute the numbers, even the

472
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Speaker 1: biggest haters. I'm the biggest hater, but I'm somewhat of

473
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Speaker 1: a hater. Can't dispute the numbers. It's gonna get a

474
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 1: little tougher playing the top defense. This week on the

475
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 1: road has to go to New England, who's really good

476
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Speaker 1: on defense, and so us to go to the Bills.

477
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,159
Speaker 1: I know they beat him last time, but let's face it,

478
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 1: check the stats and it was kind of a crazy,

479
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 1: crazy win. But he's having a fantastic season. So if

480
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Speaker 1: you can get a quarterback who can beer starter B

481
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Speaker 1: eight and three, nineteen and three, every team in the

482
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,239
Speaker 1: league would take that now is it sustainable? He got

483
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Speaker 1: crushed again in the game against the Texans. He's obviously

484
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:50,880
Speaker 1: had multiple concussions this year. I know they're like neck

485
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 1: injury knows multiple concussions, and you know me, I'm not

486
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Speaker 1: one to say should never play again, like if he

487
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Speaker 1: wants to play like this is this ain't my life.

488
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,920
Speaker 1: But he is one injury way, so he to me

489
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 1: up the three guys is clearly the one I have

490
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 1: the biggest skepticism on, but so far, like he shut

491
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,159
Speaker 1: a lot of people up, including myself. And last but

492
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:14,119
Speaker 1: not least, the game against two coaches that no human

493
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:18,199
Speaker 1: alive would want coaching their team beside you know, the

494
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:23,479
Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals and the l A Chargers ownership. Kingsbury and Staley,

495
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 1: I mean, neither deserve to win that game, and the

496
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 1: difference ultimately was Herbert driving him down when he had

497
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Speaker 1: to have it, throwing a game winning touchdown, and throwing

498
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Speaker 1: the game winning two point conversion. Who I will give

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Speaker 1: the Charger coaching staff credit, even though Brandon Staley has

500
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,640
Speaker 1: nothing to do with the offense. Fantastic call by Joe Lombardi.

501
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 1: Run a little uh like a little Texas route just

502
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 1: kind of a little They bunched up the receivers in

503
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Speaker 1: the tight end and it was just the Cardinals had

504
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,920
Speaker 1: no fucking clue what was going on. Gerald Evert walked

505
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,639
Speaker 1: into the end zone. It was it was stealing, you know,

506
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,440
Speaker 1: stealing candy from a baby. It was an easy play

507
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 1: Herbert made with his eyes closed win the game. It's cool. Uh,

508
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 1: he was fantastic sick in the game, he really was.

509
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,679
Speaker 1: And if I know, sometimes on the internet you have

510
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 1: to argue and try to justify like he doesn't win

511
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,639
Speaker 1: in the games. Well, yeah, he's playing for Brandon Staley

512
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 1: in a defense that's awful. He's also playing with wide

513
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 1: receivers because Mike Williams ankle always gets hurt. Now. And

514
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:17,919
Speaker 1: Keenan Allen's had an up and down season because of

515
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:19,439
Speaker 1: a hamstring injury. And when I say up and down,

516
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 1: he's been missing games. He's back now when he's just played.

517
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,440
Speaker 1: He's dealing with Keenan Allen, who I respect to. Keenan

518
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,159
Speaker 1: Allen's a fantastic player. He is so skilled because he

519
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,400
Speaker 1: can't run, but he can get open with ease. He's

520
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 1: a really good player. And Austin Ekeler who's a tiny

521
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 1: little scap back who's also a good player. But that's

522
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,880
Speaker 1: who Herbert stealing with. Like, give Herbert Tyree Kill and

523
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey and Juju Smith and Andy Reid, he would

524
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 1: be awesome. Give him Stefon Diggs and Gabriel Davis and

525
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,639
Speaker 1: some of the guys add and Buffalo. Give him the

526
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 1: forty Niners roster, he would crush it. Hell, he's statistically

527
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 1: crushing it now, and I'm just glad to see him

528
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Speaker 1: win because it's not his fault that Brandon Staley is

529
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 1: his head coach and tries to lose him games on

530
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 1: a weekly basis. But those three quarterbacks are especially to me,

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Speaker 1: Burrow and Herbert and if Ta can just stay healthy,

532
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,439
Speaker 1: which is a big if because he can't really avoid

533
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,360
Speaker 1: hits because he's not a very quick twitch athlete. That's

534
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 1: the one thing with Herbert. Herbert is a big time athlete,

535
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: and Burrow is not the level of athlete like Herbert

536
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,479
Speaker 1: and definitely like Josh Allen, but he has like an

537
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: instinctive quality to him. It's why his comp He's clearly

538
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,199
Speaker 1: a better version of this. But Tony Romo had this,

539
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,880
Speaker 1: and Tony Romo is actually a really good athlete, ability

540
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 1: to kind of avoid hits and just scramble around and

541
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 1: make plays with his legs. When I say make plays

542
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 1: with his legs, like legs behind the line of scrimmage

543
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,160
Speaker 1: and then throw the ball. But that quarterback class man,

544
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 1: he can't really ask for much more than they're doing

545
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 1: right now. I wanted to do a little hot seat

546
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:57,679
Speaker 1: update because listen, you see in college coaches get blown out. Obviously,

547
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 1: in the NFL, I think on average it's five to

548
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 1: six coaches every year. Some some years it's like eight,

549
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,400
Speaker 1: and some years it's like four. Hard to tell. This year,

550
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: I guess we've already had one. The Panthers relieved of

551
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 1: their duties, and we'll get into it looks like pretty

552
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: clearly a couple more, but I wanted to start with

553
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 1: one that coming into the season it looked like he

554
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,399
Speaker 1: was destined to get fired, one because the team just

555
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:23,119
Speaker 1: kind of consistently loses, and two he made a pretty

556
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 1: desperate move to acquire Carson Wentz, which in my opinion

557
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 1: was kind of nuts, like you're gonna trade two third

558
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 1: round picks for this guy? And I over the years

559
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: have been a Carson Wentz defender, but I was like, Ron,

560
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 1: this is I don't know what you're doing here, and

561
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: they got in a weird way, a little lucky that

562
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 1: Wentz got injured, because then they go to the savior,

563
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: Taylor Heineke, and all they've done since is when now

564
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: you look up in the Commanders are unveiling this statue

565
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 1: that everyone's just crushing him for. But they're also winning

566
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: games because the one thing that Dan Snyder truly has

567
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: nothing to do with is the game plan and how

568
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: are the players are gonna operate? And Taylor Heineke and

569
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: just this team and Ron Rivera went from this guy

570
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 1: is gonna be done at the end of the season too.

571
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: Is he gonna get an extension? Because they're not just

572
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 1: seven and five? Their next two games are the Giants

573
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 1: and the Giants. And like I said, Brian Dable, he's

574
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 1: already accomplished so much this season. If he doesn't win

575
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: another game, hat tipped to him, the Giants fans should

576
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 1: be excited, but they're not very good. And now the

577
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: football team Commanders goes Giants by Giants. I mean, there

578
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: is a decent chance going into the forty game on

579
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 1: Christmas Eve, the New York Giants or excuse me, the

580
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: Washington Commanders are nine and five. I would say worst

581
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 1: case scenario, they're eight and six. I mean, that's a

582
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 1: pretty incredible accomplishment. So I would say hot seat. This

583
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 1: guy's seat is not hot at all. It's called Ron

584
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: Rivera and uh Scott Turner, North Turners Son have really

585
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 1: done Jack del Rio fun their defense, flying around, hitting people.

586
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 1: They got Chase Young eventually coming back. Offense is good. Um,

587
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 1: commanders are rolling Kingsbury. I know we got an extension,

588
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: but unlike players, right, the extension is there is no

589
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: salary cap. This is a disaster and two fold on

590
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: this one. He was the guy pounding the table for

591
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray. Now it's weird they both share the same agent.

592
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 1: Obviously a huge part of his offense, at least in

593
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:29,959
Speaker 1: his mind, was predicated and tied to this quarterback. But

594
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 1: it feels like Kyler Murray does not like Cliff Kingsbury. Now,

595
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: maybe it's just in his nature to not even realize

596
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 1: when he's throwing people under the bus, but that's what

597
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 1: he did. He threw Cliff Kingsbury under the bus. Yesterday

598
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: when they talked about an interception on a fourth down,

599
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: he basically said we were a schematically, which is a

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00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 1: direct reflection of I don't know the head coach who's

601
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: also the offensive coordinator and the schemer, so that situation,

602
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 1: like the relationship between coach and quarterback, is not good.

603
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: The other thing is if you psych it out last year,

604
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: which did not end well, right, They limped to the finish,

605
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: they lost a devastating Week eight team game that would

606
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: have won them division, and then they got throttled in

607
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: the first round of the playoffs, and then this year

608
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: has been an utter disaster. Their four and eight feels

609
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: like they're headed towards six and eleven. So basically a

610
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: losing season in two of his four seasons. The other

611
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 1: year he went eight and nate. But again, like last year,

612
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: limped to the season and missed the playoffs, and this

613
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: year it feels like they're trending backwards. I would say

614
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: him and Steve Ki because I think if Kingsbury goes

615
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 1: Kin probably goes this time too, even though their roster

616
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: actually has some talent. But I do think Michael Bidwell

617
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 1: is gonna go well. The Rams are in shambles. Seattle

618
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 1: feels like they have momentum now. Pete's not going anywhere.

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00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: They're gonna have a top pick because of Denver and

620
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: the Forts are just pretty well built and they're definitely

621
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,479
Speaker 1: not going around. We do have a lot of talent

622
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 1: on this team. Why don't we make a change now?

623
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 1: He historically at least his family. I don't know him specifically, though.

624
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: I think when you talk to people that in the

625
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 1: agent community that say they can be a little cheap um,

626
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 1: that's that's fair. Is he willing to eat a lot

627
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 1: of money to pay these guys off where he just

628
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: extended if they don't win another game, which I would

629
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 1: say is always on the table, and Cliff Kingsbury's your

630
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: head coach, you would have to say it's on the table.

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Speaker 1: So I would say, Cliff Kingsbury, seed is definitely hot

632
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: and it's got a chance to really heat up this

633
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 1: This seed isn't hot, it's it's burned to the ground,

634
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: like it's over. Nathaniel Hackett has done like he's a

635
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: one and done coach, like that was he got a

636
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: he got one season. He's like Freddie Kitchens, Jim tom Seula.

637
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 1: He will never be a head coach again because I

638
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: think it's very, very difficult to be a one and

639
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 1: done coach and ever be taken seriously again, Like you

640
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 1: can be two or three years and get another chance.

641
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: Right if you become an offensive coordinator, you get to

642
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: kind of rehab your name. I don't think you can

643
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: become be a one and done at the level in

644
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: which Nate Hackett did. The offense is one of the

645
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: worst we've ever seen. The game management was horrendous. It

646
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 1: has just felt like the only reason the guys in

647
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: that position, it's because Aaron Rodgers wanted him there, and

648
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 1: then obviously Aaron Rodgers basically declined the trade offer, went

649
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: back to Green Bay, and now Nate Hackett was forced

650
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: to coach Russell Wilson and it's ended the season. Uh so, yeah,

651
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: that that's a problem. The other guy that I don't

652
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 1: know if you're gonna have back to back one and

653
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: done coaches. But the Lovey Lovey Smith experiment is not

654
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: going well. Now. They're they're not exactly some team loaded

655
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 1: with talent. They got a long way to go, and

656
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: they look like a lock destined for the number one

657
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 1: overall pick, which I think when the dust settles will

658
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: be Alabama quarterback Bryce Young. But I would say that

659
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 1: when you factor in this a team that's gonna have

660
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 1: a lot more reinforcements coming. They have, they have Cleveland

661
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 1: Brown's picks for years to come. You would have to

662
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: say that it is on the table that you would

663
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 1: think that if Lovey Smith goes one and done, it's

664
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Speaker 1: at least foreseeable. Now, maybe they go two years with Lovey.

665
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: They just sucked this year, they let him coach the

666
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 1: team again next year, suck again, and then figure it

667
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: out from there. But this has been pretty ugly with

668
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: the Houston Texans, like they're getting dramatically worse. I thought

669
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 1: for a second on Sunday when Stefanski scored late in

670
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 1: the game and decided to not go for two, It's like, bro,

671
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 1: you are three and seven, you're playing Tom Brady. You

672
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: got him on the ropes, go for two. Now. They

673
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:25,320
Speaker 1: ended up winning in overtime because somehow Tampa punted twice.

674
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,839
Speaker 1: Who punts twice in at ten minute overtime? Tampa did,

675
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 1: and he won the game. But I do wonder, like

676
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 1: I'm not as big of a Stefanski hater as some,

677
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 1: but the hazlums are nuts. I mean they are crazy.

678
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: So to think that Stefanski like they might just say, well,

679
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 1: we could have been way better if we had a

680
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 1: better coach, and then we would have been in position

681
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,320
Speaker 1: when Deshan got back to make a playoff run. Instead

682
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 1: he shows up, it's four or four and seven, and

683
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: our season is basically already over. So I would say

684
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: his seat isn't too hot, but they're they've had discussions,

685
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 1: and then last but not least, this guy would never

686
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,240
Speaker 1: get fired. But we always gotta be on Amazon Prime

687
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: Watch and that Sean McVeigh. Their team is now three

688
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: and eight, Matt Stafford is on the shelf, Cooper Cup

689
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: is on the shelf, and now Aaron Donald is on

690
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: the shelf. So you have to ask yourself. You go,

691
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 1: they don't have a pick next year, they don't have

692
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: a very good offensive line, they have no running backs.

693
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 1: They're best players now are aging and injured. Is this

694
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 1: guy gonna keep coaching? Now? You know where I stand

695
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 1: on this. I think it's a pretty exhausting topic. But

696
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: the fact is it's a topic because they're gonna suck

697
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,320
Speaker 1: like they're in the all screwed category. Like ultimately, Denver

698
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 1: has an unreal defense and has young players on offense.

699
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 1: Maybe if they get a new coach and Russell just

700
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 1: gets a little bit better, has some offseason motivation, They

701
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 1: run the ball. They could be much more competitive next year.

702
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 1: You know, maybe Arizona somehow convince Sean Hating to take

703
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 1: the job and he's able to get the most out

704
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: of Cayler Maury. I don't know. I don't see how

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Speaker 1: the Rams are any good next year because their margin

706
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 1: for error naturally is so small because they're so top

707
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: heavy with two or three players. The moment one of

708
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,760
Speaker 1: them gets hurt, they're screwed. They're not gonna have caps

709
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,280
Speaker 1: face to sign guys, and let's face it, most guys

710
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 1: on the open market aren't that good anyway. I mean,

711
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 1: they're One big offseason signing was Allen Robinson. He was average.

712
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: It best for them, honestly, he was below. So I

713
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: think the Rams, if you're Sean McVeigh, god damn, how

714
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: are we going to improve? And the answer is you're not.

715
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: So he's not a hot seat guy. He's just a

716
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Speaker 1: I'm out guy. Before we dive into the mailbag, Uh,

717
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,479
Speaker 1: one thing I just wanted to hit on is how

718
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: incredible of a season Lincoln Riley has had. And it's

719
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: easier to turn a program now around, you know, relatively quickly,

720
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:57,359
Speaker 1: just immediately because of the transfer portal. But USC has

721
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,040
Speaker 1: been a joke. I mean that they have wardle i

722
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: Ben one of the biggest embarrassments in all of Power

723
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: five college football because when you turn on games on Sunday,

724
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,879
Speaker 1: hell this week or last week Thursday, you see Clay

725
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 1: Hilton players everywhere. Like Clay Helton, players from his era

726
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: at USC are not just starting in the NFL, They're

727
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: impactful players in the league all over the place. Yeah,

728
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 1: USC consistently, beside one year with Sam Donald was terrible.

729
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 1: He gets there, he brings in Caleb Williams, who is

730
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Speaker 1: now unofficially the Heisman Trophy winner in two thousand twenty two,

731
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Speaker 1: and they have USC eleven and one when their defense

732
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 1: isn't even any good. Now you know where I stand

733
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: on Lincoln Riley big picture, for him to beat Kirby,

734
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,320
Speaker 1: for him to beat Nick, for him to beat I

735
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 1: guess she's gotta beat those two teams. Uh, Georgia Obama

736
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Speaker 1: in Michigan. You know, I'd say Ohio State, but their

737
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 1: defense stinks too. You gotta put a premium in an

738
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Speaker 1: emphasis on defense. It's a guy slid into my d

739
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: MS to day was like, you know, I I don't

740
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: agree with what you said about Chip Kelly getting pushed

741
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 1: around with physical teams. And I was like, yeah, it's

742
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 1: I don't think it's an opinion, it's a fact. But

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Speaker 1: when I scouted and went through Oregon in two thousand

744
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: and twelve, they actually had a lot of physical players

745
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 1: on defense. Buckner was on that team, Armstead was on

746
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 1: that team, Kiko Alonso was on that team. They had

747
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 1: several defensive backs on that team. Michael Clay like he

748
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: actually recruited on his best Oregon team, some good defenses,

749
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: but as people in the program would tell you, he

750
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: just didn't care about it and he would never change

751
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 1: his offense, like slow it down a little bit, take

752
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: your time, because he was just so obsessed with his

753
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 1: offense scoring eighty points. There is a nature of how

754
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 1: you have to play, and I actually think Lincoln Riley

755
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,839
Speaker 1: understands it. It's what I always respected about him at Oklahoma.

756
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,439
Speaker 1: He was willing. Like some of these spread coaches won't

757
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 1: go under center. They don't even know how to implement it,

758
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: install it, coach it in the playbook. It's not there.

759
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley has no problem in a short yard situation

760
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 1: putting the guy under center, putting multiple running backs on

761
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 1: offensive lineman behind him, and doing heavy packages. And you

762
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 1: give him an elite talent at quarterback, the offense is unstoppable.

763
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 1: And that's what's happening because I think Caleb Williams is

764
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 1: an all time talent like he is. I mean, Trevor

765
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 1: Lawrence level, can't miss guy right, athleticism, arm, talent, accuracy,

766
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: playmaking dudes. I mean, if he was in this draft,

767
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: it wouldn't even be a question who would be the

768
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 1: number one overall pick. I think Bryce is awesome, and

769
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: I think Bryce is an awesome prospect. Caleb, to me,

770
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 1: is dramatically better, partly because of the size. I mean's

771
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: just much bigger and he's got a much more, much more.

772
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 1: He's got a more explosive arm. He is he's a special,

773
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 1: special prospect. But to have them one win away, and

774
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 1: I think this game is gonna be hard because the

775
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: Pact twelve championship game is now in Vegas, and Vegas

776
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: is I've made this drive several times, haven't made in

777
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 1: a while, what three hours? Maybe four hours? Correct me?

778
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 1: If I'm if you live in the area from from

779
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 1: Salt Lake City, Utah's gonna have a large contingent there.

780
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: It's also like five hours away from l a. USC

781
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: is gonna have a large contingent there. The patrol of

782
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 1: Championship game over the last decade has mainly sucked, and

783
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 1: for a large period of time it was at Levite

784
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 1: Stadium where the forty Niners play. I think this game

785
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:21,399
Speaker 1: is gonna be packed Utah fans, USC fans, It's gonna

786
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 1: be badass, the environment's gonna be sweet, and I'm rooting

787
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 1: for Caleb to win this game. I want to see

788
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 1: Caleb against the University of Michigan, and uh, it's gonna

789
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: be really, really fun. But they gave the guy a

790
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty million dollars. They gave him a package

791
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,439
Speaker 1: that you would give to an NBA player, to a

792
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 1: Major League Baseball player, and it was well worth it

793
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 1: for them. They needed the juice, they needed the vibe,

794
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,399
Speaker 1: they needed the whole thing. But eventually, like you had

795
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 1: to coach the games right, no different, Brian Kelly. They

796
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 1: gave million dollars a lot of hype. Ryan Kelly went

797
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,240
Speaker 1: nine and three pretty immediately, Like it was like Okay,

798
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 1: we feel pretty good about ourselves. Lincoln Riley win eleven

799
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: of want. The program went four and eight last year.

800
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: So in bringing Caleb for two years and winning a

801
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: Heisman Trophy year one, I wasn't if if I would

802
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 1: have been one of the rich guys to chip in

803
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,359
Speaker 1: on this hundred twenty million dollars by this guy's house,

804
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 1: do all the ship they're doing for him, I'd feel

805
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 1: pretty good about my investment right now because Linck and Riley,

806
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 1: He's not gonna be named coach of the Year, but

807
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 1: he has been honestly everything in more USC could have wanted,

808
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 1: and Caleb for most of us. I mean I watched

809
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 1: him a little bit of at Oklahoma. Not that I

810
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: didn't think he was good. I didn't realize he was

811
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: this good. I mean that game against Notre Dame, if

812
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: you had the chance to even I just watched like

813
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 1: half the game. He was absurd. He did some things

814
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 1: in that game that were outrageous. I mean it was

815
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: like Patrick Mahomes meets Josh Allen. Now he's not as

816
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: physical as Josh Allen, but just breaking tackles, scrambling around,

817
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 1: making these throws on the run. Uh, he is He

818
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 1: is a very very fun player to watch. And if

819
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 1: you have to say, hey, I got a really fun

820
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 1: quarterback for you, what offense and what offensive coordinator would

821
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 1: you want to see him playing under? I think Lincoln

822
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 1: Riley would be the choice. Okay, let's go. Middlecuff mail

823
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:11,359
Speaker 1: back trying to bang out a lot here at John

824
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: Middlecoff's Instagram. Trying to keep it a fast paced at

825
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 1: John middlecoff Instagram. Fire in those d m s. Get

826
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:21,320
Speaker 1: your questions answered here in the pot from Matt honest

827
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 1: question going through some crap. What was your breaking point

828
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 1: where you said, screw it, I'm betting on myself and

829
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:33,240
Speaker 1: starting your own venture. Matt, I hit on it yesterday.

830
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: The second time I was relieved of my duties in radio,

831
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 1: it kind of hit me like I was so tired

832
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:45,320
Speaker 1: of doing. Like I didn't get fired either time on performance.

833
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,760
Speaker 1: It was because you know management, and it's like, I'm

834
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:53,359
Speaker 1: an opinionated guy. I'm never gonna shut my mouth. I'm

835
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: gonna piss people off, and the only way I can

836
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: control my own destiny is doing it by myself. And

837
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: like I said, when I got let go and radio,

838
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 1: I still had money coming to me, so I had

839
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: about three months the fall of two thousand and sixteen

840
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 1: to kind of take inventory. And I think the second time,

841
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 1: I because in the NFL when Chip came in, I

842
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: didn't get my contract renewed to kind of threw me

843
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 1: on my ass. I didn't handle it as well. Right

844
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 1: I was in my late twenties. The second time, I

845
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,760
Speaker 1: was like, it took me a couple of days, dusted

846
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:25,919
Speaker 1: off my shoulders and was like, I gotta figure this out,

847
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: and started our own podcasts. And then a couple of

848
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 1: years later this happened and now the volume which it's

849
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 1: all worked out well. But I would say it took

850
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: I don't want to act like I'm just some natural

851
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 1: Gary V here, you know I was. I worked for

852
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: someone for a long period of time until I realized,

853
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,399
Speaker 1: like I can kind of control my own destiny by

854
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 1: doing my own thing. Now you still realize like you

855
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: need to partner up with people, like you need other people.

856
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,479
Speaker 1: You You can't just do it all on your own,

857
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: like even Jeff Bezo. Some of these people had help.

858
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 1: But if you do not like working for other people,

859
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 1: like it's I would recommend it. Now. I don't have kids,

860
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 1: and I didn't have kids. When I did this, I

861
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 1: didn't even have a girlfriend or anything, so I didn't

862
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 1: My responsibilities were pretty limited. I had a lot of

863
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 1: runway to screw around and figure it out and potentially fail.

864
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: And I failed. Um, you know, it took us a

865
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: while to make some money. But I can't recommend it enough,

866
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: you know, because I I can't imagine like answering to

867
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: people that I didn't like. I I can't. I couldn't

868
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 1: do it. I'd rather be dead broke, rather mo lawns

869
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 1: than do that again. I like that the way that

870
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 1: makes me feel just not for me. Uh. Do we

871
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: give the Ravens organization too much of a pass? When

872
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 1: I think of the Ravens, I think of one of

873
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 1: the best organizations in the league. When I look at

874
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 1: what they have done to support Lamar Jackson on his

875
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 1: rookie deal, I don't see it. We focus on Lamar

876
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:55,280
Speaker 1: is worth this huge contract, But what I believe should

877
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 1: be talked about is how they haven't supported them. They

878
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 1: aren't paying currently and they aren't paying star wide receivers.

879
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: They have running backs either on rookie contracts or low

880
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:06,800
Speaker 1: paid vets. They don't have a star defensive player and

881
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 1: their defense isn't great overall? What have they been doing

882
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 1: with their money and roster construction? While they have lamar

883
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 1: for cheap. One thing the Ravens like getting a lot

884
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: of credit for and they are a well run organization

885
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 1: is for being super smart. It's like, do they really

886
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: have big old balls? Like, ultimately, Howie Roseman and the

887
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,359
Speaker 1: Eagles are kind of similar to the Ravens. Right, well

888
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: run organization, good ownership, very well supported. Yet how he's

889
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 1: always willing chips in the middle of the table, Like,

890
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 1: where's the Ravens move to get a J. Brown? Well,

891
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 1: where's the Ravens move to trade for Darius Slay? Well,

892
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 1: they just don't do that stuff very often. And you're right,

893
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 1: they have this rookie contract and I wouldn't say they're

894
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 1: squandering it, but they don't have any playoff victories the

895
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 1: show for it. And I would say, right now, the

896
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 1: way they look, would you bet on them winning a

897
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: playoff game? Technically they're in first place in the division.

898
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 1: I would bet on the Bengals winning the division in

899
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 1: the Ravens finishing second and being a wild card and

900
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: probably losing in the first round. I hear you, that's

901
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:14,359
Speaker 1: a that's a good question. I think sometimes perception once

902
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,280
Speaker 1: it becomes reality, which their perception for a long time.

903
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:21,359
Speaker 1: And the PR Campaign, their general manager is good friends

904
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 1: a lot of people in the media like he is

905
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 1: a media darling, and I know a lot of people

906
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:28,280
Speaker 1: that aren't the biggest fans. I don't know the guy personally,

907
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 1: so I mean, I have nothing against them, but I

908
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 1: think they try very hard to be viewed as really

909
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 1: really smart. You know, like ultimately the Rams didn't give

910
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 1: a ship right that they just did what they did.

911
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: If it worked, great and now it's not working. But

912
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 1: the PR campaign like their moves or their moves, so

913
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 1: they actually took a lot of crap for it over

914
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 1: the years. To me, the Ravens love like, we let

915
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 1: this guy walk in free agency, cop pick. We just

916
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 1: let a sweet player go in free agency. So yeah,

917
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 1: good luck with that third round pick that might work

918
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,879
Speaker 1: out and might not. Matt Judon looks pretty damn good,

919
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 1: shouldn't you. Maybe I don't know kept him right. Buggles

920
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,839
Speaker 1: of Mind. Just started listening to your show last few

921
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: months and love it. My question, as a Badger fan,

922
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 1: should I be concerned about the Badger's players being upset

923
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 1: about the fickle higher and likely leaving, or should I

924
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 1: not care and be optimistic that Fickle is such a

925
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 1: good recruiter that it won't matter. You have to make

926
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: tough decisions in these spots. Jim Leonard is a legend

927
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 1: in the program, and I would imagine I don't follow

928
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 1: the program that closely. I mean I I kept track

929
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,399
Speaker 1: of your games, not that I watched that many of them,

930
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 1: but like whether you're winning or losing. And a couple

931
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: of weeks ago, you know, I would say publicly, we

932
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:43,399
Speaker 1: all thought Jim Leonard was going to be the head coach.

933
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 1: They were about to sign him. So I wonder in

934
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 1: their mind the players love him. Uh, he's clearly a

935
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 1: really good defensive coordinator, and they had already come to

936
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:52,359
Speaker 1: grips with like, this guy is gonna be our next

937
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:56,399
Speaker 1: head coach. So then when you hire this guy, it's

938
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 1: just a natural move. But as an a d and

939
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 1: as an exact if you have to make a decision

940
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 1: what's best for the long term viability of your football program,

941
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 1: Jim Leonard might be a really good head coach right

942
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:10,800
Speaker 1: in the future. I know for a fact Luke Fickles.

943
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 1: So if I had to choose between Jim Leonard and

944
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:15,760
Speaker 1: Luke Fickle. Like Luke Fickle had been turning down other people,

945
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 1: So if you can get Luke Fickle, you have to

946
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 1: take it. And I think they made the right decision.

947
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 1: And if I'm Luke Fickle, I guess I would try

948
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 1: to retain them, which probably won't happen. If I was

949
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 1: Ryan Day, I would be all over Jim Leonard. I

950
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 1: would love to hear my question read on Tuesday's show.

951
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 1: But here it is reports of O. B. J getting

952
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 1: kicked off a plane for being in and out of consciousness.

953
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 1: Would it still be smart for the Cowboys to pursue

954
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 1: him or do they move forward with the roster they have?

955
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 1: Also at this point, do you believe they are a

956
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 1: true Super Bowl contender? As usual, love the podcast. Let's

957
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: start with the Cowboys. It kind of looks like they're

958
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 1: gonna be the five seed and they're gonna play Tampa Bay.

959
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 1: You knew I like in that game. I like the

960
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,760
Speaker 1: Cowboys big. I think the Cowboys could beat the crap

961
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 1: out of Tampa. Then you see what happens whether you

962
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:11,240
Speaker 1: play Minnesota, whether you play the Niners, the Eagles, whatever,

963
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: you gotta win a couple of games. I think you're

964
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 1: gonna win the first round game when you play Tampa Bay,

965
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 1: so I would feel pretty good. You win a game,

966
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:21,439
Speaker 1: you get some momentum. Anything can happen, super true, super

967
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 1: Bowl contenders. I think you got a chance to win

968
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. Yes, Odell Beckham, my guest maybe took

969
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 1: a sleeping pill, so he's kind of out of it.

970
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 1: Long country flight, you know, cross country flight, puts a

971
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 1: blanket over his head, like, Odell, this isn't a private jet.

972
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 1: When you fly commercial like US peons, like US peasants,

973
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 1: like US normal people, even if you're in first class,

974
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 1: which US normal people aren't usually there. Uh, you can't

975
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 1: like when the steward is says put on the seatbelt, Like,

976
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:51,840
Speaker 1: you gotta put in your seatbelt on those PGAs. You

977
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 1: can do whatever you want on United, on American airlines,

978
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 1: when they tell you to put that seat belt, you

979
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 1: gotta put the seatbelt on now. Ultimately, like, with this

980
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 1: impact his viability with some teams for sure, not an

981
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 1: ideal thing to do. Here's the other thing I don't get.

982
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 1: He was medically cleared last week and he's like, you

983
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,320
Speaker 1: know what I want to take Thanksgiving off, Like Odell,

984
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:17,280
Speaker 1: we're not just on your time here. Maybe the Cowboys are,

985
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 1: but these other team's gotta be like, what are we

986
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 1: talking about? It's like, Bro, you've torn your a c

987
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 1: L twice, You're you're still going off this one hand

988
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:27,839
Speaker 1: to catch seven years ago. Now you're getting kicked off

989
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 1: a plane. A little too much drama for my liking.

990
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 1: Not not good enough, not good enough to be doing that.

991
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 1: You know you better be um. Your production has to

992
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 1: be better than your problems. Is it too early to

993
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:44,720
Speaker 1: talk about the possibility of Lamar Jackson on the Jets

994
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 1: or the Raiders? Thanks Tucker Well, A lot of people

995
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 1: keep acting like Lamar Jackson is going to hit the

996
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 1: open market. I guess it's possible, but that would be

997
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:56,799
Speaker 1: the dumbest thing in the history of the Ravens. Then,

998
00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:01,319
Speaker 1: even the biggest media cronies of the Ravens for ant

999
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 1: office could not support them. He's not gonna hit free agency.

1000
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 1: Worst case, he's franchised. He's not going anywhere. So I

1001
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 1: would be stunned if Lamar Jackson isn't on the Ravens

1002
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,319
Speaker 1: next year. Now, maybe if you look around the league

1003
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 1: and you go, well, let's think about all the moves

1004
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 1: that have transpired over the last several years. Brady leaving

1005
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 1: Stafford traded Davante Tyreek Hill traded you never know, and

1006
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 1: maybe it's just a j Brown trade and you never know.

1007
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 1: But I would be a little stunned if Lamar Jackson

1008
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 1: is on any other team than the Ravens. I feel

1009
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 1: very confident, very confident that he's not gonna hit free agency,

1010
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 1: that that just does not happen. Hell, even look at Cousins,

1011
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 1: who was not nearly as good as Lamar Jackson when

1012
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 1: he was with Washington, could argue Cousins playing better than

1013
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:52,319
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, even though Lamar has been fine. Uh, it

1014
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:55,240
Speaker 1: took him multiple franchise tax to hit the open market.

1015
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 1: It's just the NFL is not the NBA. You know.

1016
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 1: This is not a player run league, so it's up

1017
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 1: front office run league. Just wanted to get your opinion

1018
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 1: on college football draft hypotheticals. At what point, if you

1019
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 1: were a top drafting team would you start thinking about

1020
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:14,720
Speaker 1: trading back or taking the best available instead of a quarterback. Young, Stroud,

1021
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 1: and Levis all show flashes flashes, but also come with

1022
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 1: significant risk, as any quarterback does with the way he's played,

1023
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams looked like a lock for the number one

1024
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 1: overall Picnics year. Agreed. Do you think it's insane idea

1025
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 1: to push your quarterback search by a year in hopes

1026
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: of going after Williams, whether by trading back or taking

1027
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:36,240
Speaker 1: the best available player. Will Anderson looks like a stud.

1028
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:38,839
Speaker 1: I hear what you're saying. But it's impossible to play

1029
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 1: that game in the NFL. Right, we all thought Seattle

1030
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 1: was gonna suck and their six and five, I mean

1031
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 1: we thought they were gonna be terrible, and look at

1032
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 1: them now. The Texans maybe they're tanking, I don't know,

1033
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:56,400
Speaker 1: but they're trying to win. Most teams, it's just really

1034
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:59,320
Speaker 1: hard to play that game because your team in the NFL,

1035
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,320
Speaker 1: you might make the playoffs, but you can get seven

1036
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 1: wins somewhat out of nowhere. The difference between being a

1037
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 1: four win team and a seven win team honestly might

1038
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 1: be a couple of fumbles and a couple of made

1039
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 1: field goals. Now, obviously the difference between a four or

1040
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:14,439
Speaker 1: five win team and a ten win team is pretty big,

1041
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 1: but it's not hard to you know, a couple of

1042
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 1: things go your way, and you're not sniffing the number

1043
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:21,919
Speaker 1: one overall pick. I mean there's a big difference most

1044
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 1: years of the team drafting tenth or ninth and the

1045
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 1: team drafting one overall. So I hear what you're saying,

1046
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 1: because I think one of the things is going to

1047
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:32,360
Speaker 1: be the Lions. For example, the Lions are gonna have

1048
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 1: a top two or three pick from the Ramps. Should

1049
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 1: they take Will Levis, let's say, or should they just

1050
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:42,399
Speaker 1: take two more sweet players, Will Anderson and some other

1051
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 1: player with their pick that might be like ten and

1052
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:49,359
Speaker 1: just keep playing around golf. God's proven that he's got

1053
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 1: to his rouper ball if your team is good enough

1054
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:54,799
Speaker 1: around him. Look at the Lions, the team actually is ascending.

1055
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 1: You get Will Anderson with Aidan Hutchinson with another you know,

1056
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 1: dB were another awesome wide receiver. Maybe you're sweet. So

1057
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 1: I think you can always those conversations. Do you know

1058
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 1: what's funny is a couple of years I worked in

1059
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:15,400
Speaker 1: the office, we had the same conversations that we have

1060
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 1: here on this podcast. The same conversations that people DM

1061
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 1: me to get at answered here on the show, Like

1062
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,280
Speaker 1: obviously not that you know, if you're just a scout,

1063
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 1: you influence the draft or free agency or whatever, but

1064
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 1: you do in sense that you just have a direct

1065
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 1: line to your GM and your coach. But you're constantly

1066
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 1: talking about the same stuff for the most part, that

1067
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:36,320
Speaker 1: the fans are talking about. Should we do this, Should

1068
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 1: we do this, should we take a wide receiver, should

1069
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 1: we trade this pick? Should we sign this guy in

1070
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 1: free agency? You just actually are a part of it.

1071
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 1: But it honestly the same conversations. Friends and I were

1072
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 1: talking and wondering why NFL team scouts don't use virtual

1073
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:56,800
Speaker 1: reality to better qualified decision making skills of a quarterback.

1074
00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 1: Any thoughts on scouting strategies, tools technologies avail. Well, I

1075
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 1: think a lot of quarterbacks now use VR in college, right,

1076
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 1: So these college players use the oculus the headset to

1077
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 1: basically do mental reps. I don't necessarily I'm not up

1078
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:17,919
Speaker 1: to speed enough with I've only used it one time

1079
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: in my life. How a quarterback and like the scout

1080
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:27,840
Speaker 1: or general manager or coach would use it together. But

1081
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 1: I hear what you're saying, I would imagine we're not

1082
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 1: that far away. I think that's fair to say. I

1083
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 1: don't necessarily knows exactly how it translates, but we're not

1084
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 1: far away. And my name is Mark Messing. You on

1085
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 1: my business account looks like he's an interior designer, lifelong

1086
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 1: Lions fan, and I would like to ask your opinion

1087
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:51,279
Speaker 1: about the end of the Thanksgiving Buffalo game. As soon

1088
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 1: as the Lions kicked the field goal on fourth and inches,

1089
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:57,360
Speaker 1: I knew they had lost the game. They were aggressive

1090
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 1: all game long, and they puckered up and kicked. I

1091
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 1: don't even mind the third down call when they took

1092
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 1: a shot, but I think a first down there wins

1093
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 1: the game. You don't get the ball back to Alan

1094
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 1: with time. They should have had two plays called in

1095
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:13,919
Speaker 1: the huddle. What are your thoughts? Here's my issue. Would

1096
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:16,799
Speaker 1: not going for it, whether it be going for two

1097
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:18,799
Speaker 1: at the end of the games like when Stefanski did it,

1098
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:21,760
Speaker 1: whether it be kicking a field goal like Dan Campbell

1099
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 1: did it. I understand being conservative when you're eight and

1100
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 1: two and the difference in seeding winning matters the Lions.

1101
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 1: What was their record in that game, three and eight

1102
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 1: or three and six, Like, they're not going to the playoffs,

1103
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 1: So why are you not playing to win when you

1104
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 1: have nothing to lose? And think about that game, the

1105
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 1: Bills have everything to lose, the Lions have nothing to lose.

1106
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 1: Part of Dan Campbell in theory, this big, tough guy

1107
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:56,319
Speaker 1: is kind of having some balls, putting your nuts on

1108
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:59,319
Speaker 1: the table in big moments. It's easy to go for

1109
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 1: it in the second quarter or the third quarter. What

1110
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:03,799
Speaker 1: about a tie game late in the game, when it's like, yeah,

1111
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 1: I field goal, but then I give it back with

1112
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:07,319
Speaker 1: I don't know, the biggest arm quarterback we've ever seen,

1113
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 1: and some sweet deep threats. Probably not a good idea

1114
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 1: and obviously backfired. But Dan Campbell, if he's gonna be

1115
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 1: a good coach, he has to be an aggressive coach

1116
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 1: and stuff like that would make me nervous because he's

1117
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 1: never gonna be Kyle Shanahan or Andy Reid or Bill

1118
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 1: Belichick as a scheme guy. Right, that's a fact. So

1119
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 1: he's got to hang his hat on being crazy motivator.

1120
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 1: Say what you want about John Harbaugh, and he hasn't

1121
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 1: always made the right decisions. He usually has stones, he

1122
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 1: usually has balls. He's not afraid like part of I

1123
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 1: remember Dan Campbell when he was hired, really hung his

1124
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 1: hat on saying you know what, Sean Payton taught him

1125
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 1: is you don't always have to be conservative. You have

1126
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 1: to be aggressive. You gotta pick your spots. You gotta

1127
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 1: be willing to take risks, and that let's even the

1128
00:57:56,680 --> 00:58:00,040
Speaker 1: risk there, you go for it. It's like you're not

1129
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 1: going to the playoffs. I hate bad teams that don't

1130
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 1: roll the dice. That's really a pet peeve of mine.

1131
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:10,440
Speaker 1: Big Tennessee fan here, do you think Hennon Hooker has

1132
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 1: any chance given a real opportunity in the NFL and

1133
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 1: where he might fall in the draft? Obviously torn a

1134
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 1: c L. But he was having a historic year. But

1135
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 1: beside that, uh, I would say he was gonna get

1136
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 1: drafted more than likely on the second day. I'm pretty

1137
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 1: sure he's old, isn't he isn't he older than some

1138
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 1: of quarterbacks in the NFL is years old? But you

1139
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 1: have a torn a c L. Now y're old. I know, people,

1140
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 1: fair or not. I mean, you're closer than this. To me,

1141
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 1: Nit picked that offense a little bit. I mean the

1142
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 1: games I've watched you, it does feel and this is

1143
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 1: kind of just it's a compliment of hypel and the

1144
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 1: offensive scheme. But like chip back in the day, Lincoln

1145
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:51,920
Speaker 1: Riley guys just get kind of wide open and the

1146
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 1: game becomes pretty easy for the quarterback. Though I'm with you.

1147
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 1: When I watched them play Alabama, Um, I give him

1148
00:58:58,160 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 1: somewhat of a pass in the Georgia game, but just

1149
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 1: other teams, he was very, very explosive torn a c

1150
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:05,480
Speaker 1: as a killer. Though my guest is now he's a

1151
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:08,919
Speaker 1: fifth round pick. All right, John, If you could trade

1152
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson from Mike White, straight up, right now, would you?

1153
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:16,240
Speaker 1: Here's what I know. If the Denver Broncos could get

1154
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 1: completely rid of that contract and trade him for me

1155
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 1: or you, they would do that in a heartbeat. Russell

1156
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 1: Wilson isn't even their biggest problem. That contract, if he

1157
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 1: is a bottom ten quarterback, might be one of the

1158
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 1: biggest albatrosses in NFL history. It is an all time

1159
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 1: potential disaster. They are so screwed. God. I love it

1160
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 1: now that you came out with your take on Ohio

1161
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 1: State and Ryan Day, and as a Buckeye fan, I

1162
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 1: cannot agree more. Day inherited a winning production, winning program,

1163
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:54,920
Speaker 1: but now it is all in his responsibility and he

1164
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:57,720
Speaker 1: has to go. I have said this for years and

1165
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 1: consistently have not believed in his oh starting bucks and

1166
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 1: weak defense, he's gotta go. Any thoughts on immediate immediate

1167
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 1: rumors to Urban coming back, I personally don't think that

1168
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:14,960
Speaker 1: it is a good choice. Well, Urban is one of

1169
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 1: the great college coaches of all time, so I would

1170
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 1: imagine there are some internal people that signed the checks

1171
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 1: that would love to have him back. Because when you're

1172
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 1: Ohio State, when you're l s U, when you're Florida,

1173
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:32,440
Speaker 1: when you're Oklahoma, when you're USC, there is just too

1174
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 1: much cash. Winning is or you know, not winning big.

1175
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:39,480
Speaker 1: It's just will never be accepted in Ohio State is

1176
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:43,640
Speaker 1: probably in a in a rare group, right, it's not

1177
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 1: even just winning, Like I'm talking twelve and one and

1178
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:50,600
Speaker 1: being in the playoffs is mandatory and what makes it

1179
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:54,200
Speaker 1: unique for your team? You were eleven and oh but

1180
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 1: it didn't feel like the season was going that well

1181
01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 1: where they almost felt like the underachieved a little bit.

1182
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:03,400
Speaker 1: But when you lose to a rival that I would

1183
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 1: say it's the biggest rivalry in all of college sports.

1184
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 1: When they're both good Michigan, Ohio State and you get

1185
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 1: your as kick two years in a row. Think about this.

1186
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 1: When Ryan Day came into Ohio State. They weren't just

1187
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:23,760
Speaker 1: better than Michigan, they were lapping Michigan. They were dramatically better.

1188
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 1: Urban never lost. They were getting way better recruits. If

1189
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 1: this was like a race, you know, like when you're

1190
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:32,600
Speaker 1: in elementary school or junior high they make you run

1191
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:36,840
Speaker 1: around the track, and four laps is a mile. If

1192
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:40,520
Speaker 1: they were just running the mile Urban Meyer Ohio State,

1193
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:45,280
Speaker 1: and the program was potentially like multiple laps ahead when

1194
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 1: o Ryan Day got there. And now somehow hardball hasn't

1195
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 1: even just come back to like pull even with him.

1196
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 1: He's past them because he's winning just many games as you,

1197
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:59,240
Speaker 1: and he's beating you, and then he beat you at home.

1198
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:04,200
Speaker 1: You know, I clearly doesn't look like he's gonna lose

1199
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 1: his job, but I would say next year he better

1200
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:11,360
Speaker 1: be Jim Harbaugh or he is will be gone. Cowboys fan,

1201
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:14,000
Speaker 1: and want to know how you feel about Kellen Moore's

1202
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 1: play calling ability. I feel he's poor and adjusting in

1203
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:21,280
Speaker 1: game and when things go south, what's your take? I'll

1204
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:23,160
Speaker 1: be honest. You know, I was boozing a little bit

1205
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:28,480
Speaker 1: during Thanksgiving, wasn't super locked into the game. Um, when

1206
01:02:28,520 --> 01:02:30,160
Speaker 1: I was at friends of State Kellen Moore was the

1207
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:34,240
Speaker 1: quarterback at Boise State, and I've always believed in that

1208
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:37,880
Speaker 1: culture of Boise guys and the people that learned under

1209
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:42,040
Speaker 1: Chris Peterson, to me, are pretty successful. And now that

1210
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:44,600
Speaker 1: doesn't you know, Justin Wilcox, the Boyse guy, he's struggling

1211
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:47,760
Speaker 1: a cow. But Jonathan Smith, Boise guy not technically from

1212
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 1: Boise but worked under Pete, and it's kicking asid Oregon State.

1213
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:54,560
Speaker 1: And I think Kellen Moore, like I would still bet

1214
01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:56,880
Speaker 1: on him being a good coach. Again, and maybe I'm biased,

1215
01:02:57,400 --> 01:02:59,600
Speaker 1: Uh maybe I'm thinking back to when he was a player,

1216
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:02,800
Speaker 1: which I revered. I think he's the best college player

1217
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:05,800
Speaker 1: I've ever seen live, which sounds crazy, but I can't

1218
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:08,880
Speaker 1: tell you how good Kellen Moore was. And I think

1219
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:11,439
Speaker 1: you guys have been pretty damn good this year. Much

1220
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:13,560
Speaker 1: more balanced, much more willing to get the ball to

1221
01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:17,439
Speaker 1: Tony Pollard. Um. Now he's gonna it's gonna come down

1222
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:21,160
Speaker 1: to the Eagle game and the playoffs. But I wouldn't

1223
01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:24,600
Speaker 1: sell him down, you know, sell him like just he sucks,

1224
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:26,280
Speaker 1: because I think it's easy to do that with a

1225
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:29,120
Speaker 1: play caller. But you just won the game. Again, I

1226
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:34,120
Speaker 1: was girlfriend's grandparents house, and you were outside and I

1227
01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:36,240
Speaker 1: kind of peeked at the second half, and by then

1228
01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:39,920
Speaker 1: I'd have about seven glass of wine. Uh, but you know,

1229
01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:43,800
Speaker 1: didn't you win by eight points? I would give him

1230
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 1: a shot. Well, you don't have a choice. But I've

1231
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:50,880
Speaker 1: always been a calling More fan. But also I'm not

1232
01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 1: a cowboy fan, so maybe it's easier for me not

1233
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:56,000
Speaker 1: to lose it. How do the headphones work on the sideline?

1234
01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:57,840
Speaker 1: Can the head coach talk to all the coaches at

1235
01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:00,600
Speaker 1: the same time? Do they all hear each other? So

1236
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:02,720
Speaker 1: that is why they moved the mouth piece away when

1237
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:05,000
Speaker 1: they're yelling at the ref. Only the o C talks

1238
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:07,680
Speaker 1: of the quarterback like Andy Reid and Bilma do when

1239
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:12,320
Speaker 1: they talk to mahomes or just one. Well, in my experience,

1240
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 1: and I didn't mess with the headsets in the NFL,

1241
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:17,760
Speaker 1: but I did in college, and I'm sure that they

1242
01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:20,720
Speaker 1: you know, this was oh eight, no nine in college,

1243
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:23,160
Speaker 1: and this was just I mean, the NFL used the

1244
01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 1: same headsets. You basically have the side thing that sits

1245
01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:30,320
Speaker 1: on your belt loop right, and it's a box and

1246
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:32,960
Speaker 1: it's connected like a walkie talkie, but instead you don't

1247
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:34,640
Speaker 1: have to press the button. You just click on the

1248
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:38,040
Speaker 1: channel and you're good, and everyone is on that channel. Right,

1249
01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:41,480
Speaker 1: So you have two channels, potentially three. There's the offense

1250
01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:44,439
Speaker 1: all on the same channel, then there's the defense all

1251
01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:47,160
Speaker 1: on the same channel, and every box you can click between.

1252
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:50,000
Speaker 1: But obviously the offense never leaves their channel, the defense

1253
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:53,480
Speaker 1: never leaves their channel. For the head coach, he goes

1254
01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:56,400
Speaker 1: back and forth. Right, if he's the play caller for

1255
01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:58,680
Speaker 1: the most party, probably stays on the offense. But you know,

1256
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 1: CEO head coaches are sly talking to both sets of coaches.

1257
01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:05,520
Speaker 1: They go back and forth throughout the game, and then

1258
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:10,200
Speaker 1: the quarterback, just like the middle linebacker, is connected once.

1259
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:13,280
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure the play caller could be wrong on this.

1260
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:16,800
Speaker 1: Has a button to chime into the green dot or

1261
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:19,400
Speaker 1: chime into the quarterback, so he presses the button and

1262
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:21,960
Speaker 1: then he can communicate and it automatically gets cut off

1263
01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:26,240
Speaker 1: at fifteen seconds. But it could be wrong. I guess

1264
01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:28,400
Speaker 1: I could text the coaching buddy and get the exact

1265
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:31,600
Speaker 1: But there are multiple channels, so your offense or defense

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Speaker 1: head coach flips back between both and uh and yeah,

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Speaker 1: And I would imagine if you talk to coaches in

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Speaker 1: college or pros. Everyone does it a little differently. You know,

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Speaker 1: some coaches are probably more uh talkative on headsets. Some

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Speaker 1: probably don't even use it. They're talking to their guys

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Speaker 1: more the guys on the sideline. Obviously we're up in

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Speaker 1: the booth. Your only mode of communication is using the headset. Uh.

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Speaker 1: If you're the play caller or you know, offense or

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Speaker 1: defensive coordinator, it's very vital because that's how you communicate

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Speaker 1: eight to the player. But it's it's probably more basic

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Speaker 1: than it looks. Channels direct come, you know, talking and

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Speaker 1: you just talk back and forth. Big fan of the thought.

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Speaker 1: Just curious your thoughts regarding day Ball leaving the Bills

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Speaker 1: and how that will affect Josh Allen going forward. Daniel

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Speaker 1: Jones seemed to be having his best season and Josh

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Speaker 1: Allen has seemed to be sloppier this year than in

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Speaker 1: the past. Do you think this trend continues? Also, I'm

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Speaker 1: from Jimmy G's hometown. Love hearing you give the man

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Speaker 1: his flowers. He's balling this year. He had a rough

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Speaker 1: game against Saints, but the Saints were bringing it. I

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Speaker 1: I think it's hard to just say it's as simple

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Speaker 1: as Brian day ball Josh Allen. Um, you know, Josh

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Speaker 1: Allen got banged up. And I also think it's the

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Speaker 1: hardest part about sports is when you get anointed and

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Speaker 1: in a weird way. Josh Allen last year lost in

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Speaker 1: the second round of the playoffs, but he had five

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Speaker 1: touchdowns and he got put on a pedestal, and rightfully

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Speaker 1: so because the eye test him. He's one of the

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Speaker 1: best players in the league. But once you get annointed,

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Speaker 1: like Patrick Mahomes got annoying because he won the Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl because he won an m v P. Same thing

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Speaker 1: with Lamar Jackson. But look at Lamar Jackson, like everyone's

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Speaker 1: got him for you, Everyone's coming forward you on a

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Speaker 1: weekly basis. A defensive coordinator like gets all the credit

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Speaker 1: if he kicks your ass. You don't get credit if

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Speaker 1: you beat some random quarterback, like you shut down the

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Speaker 1: Texans or the Carolina Panthers, Like no one really beat

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Speaker 1: Geno Smith. You punk Josh Allen, You hold him to

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Speaker 1: two yards, You throw defenses at him that leaves him flammixed.

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Speaker 1: You force him to do things he's not comfortable with.

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Speaker 1: Plus I'm just gonna spend more time when we play

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Speaker 1: you as a staff. My players were all gonna be

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Speaker 1: more invested when we play the best players. Just natural motivation, right, Um,

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Speaker 1: so I think it's part. It's part of that. Now,

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Speaker 1: if it lasts over time and Brian day Ball all

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Speaker 1: can make you know, chicken turn chicken ship into chicken salad,

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Speaker 1: then maybe it was all him. Obviously Josh Allen is

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Speaker 1: still good right now. But you know what I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think it's more that everyone's coming for you and

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Speaker 1: you just have it to have a different pitch. It

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Speaker 1: happened to Patrick Mahomes last year, right they started playing

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Speaker 1: more zone defense, they started playing more like two shell

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Speaker 1: forced him to like be patient and pick him apart,

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Speaker 1: and he struggled at it and then he didn't and

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Speaker 1: now he's gonna win the NBB. You know. So it's

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Speaker 1: just like part of being a great player. Uh, it's

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Speaker 1: just always adapting. That's what the great players do. They're

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Speaker 1: constantly adapting. No different than the great businesses. They're constantly adapting.

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Speaker 1: He can't stay doing the same thing year in and

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Speaker 1: year out. You might be able to do it for

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Speaker 1: a couple of years, depending on your industry, maybe three

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Speaker 1: or four, but eventually you're gonna have to pivot. Great player,

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Speaker 1: you might be able to have the same move, have

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Speaker 1: the same go to play for three for three years.

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Speaker 1: Eventually they're gonna force you off it right. Eventually you're

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Speaker 1: gonna have to, you know, dribble to your left if

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Speaker 1: all you have as a right hand. Eventually you're gonna

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Speaker 1: have to hit a breaking ball. And I think that's

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Speaker 1: probably impacting Josh Allen more than the coaching staff. Change.

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Speaker 1: Could be wrong on that, but that's that would be

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Speaker 1: my um my guess. Okay, last question, do you think

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Speaker 1: we could ever see pure pocket pastors have success in

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Speaker 1: the NFL? Again? Could you ever see a time when

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Speaker 1: guys like Tony Romo and Matt Ryan could be franchise quarterbacks?

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Speaker 1: I think you're underestimating Tony romos athleticism, but Matt Ryan,

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Speaker 1: Eli Flacco, I just don't know if those players are

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Speaker 1: coming into the NFL. If if Philip Rivers and Matt

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Speaker 1: Ryan were coming into the NFL right now, they would

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Speaker 1: get picked high. But where do those players exist? You know,

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Speaker 1: you only get to pick what college gives you, and

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Speaker 1: right now, college, because of high school football is just

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Speaker 1: producing more athletes. They forced that guy to be athletic

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01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:57,000
Speaker 1: early on. So for that guy to play at USC,

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Speaker 1: at Oklahoma, at wherever in the SEC, the big T

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Speaker 1: in the Pac twelve, more likely than not he's really athletic.

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Speaker 1: Look at most of the top quarterbacks right now, they

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Speaker 1: all can move. So, like I said, if Matt Ryan

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Speaker 1: was at Boston College right now, he would still get

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Speaker 1: picked really high. Now, my thing has been for a

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Speaker 1: while part of the NFL. Right now, the defensive lineman

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Speaker 1: that have consistently been coming in the NFL have outpaced

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Speaker 1: the high end offensive lineman. You have had probably got

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Speaker 1: two to one, three to one ratio of sweet defensive tackles,

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Speaker 1: sweet defensive pass rushers and guards, centers and tackles. Now,

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Speaker 1: there have been some good guard centers and tackles, but

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Speaker 1: for the most part, there have been constant, unreal athletic

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Speaker 1: freaks coming into the defensive line. And that's part of

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Speaker 1: the reason to me why you gotta be able to move,

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Speaker 1: because all these defensive ends, let alone defensive tackles, can

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Speaker 1: all move now. So I think it would be more

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Speaker 1: difficult than ever, especially with the way the game is coached.

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Speaker 1: In the off sea season training camp, it's hard to

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Speaker 1: develop guards and centers. It's hard to develop really good

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Speaker 1: like right tackles. You know, Trent Williams and Lane Johnson,

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Speaker 1: the high end guys you know are always worse are

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Speaker 1: gonna make it. But for the most part, like we're

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Speaker 1: kind of the random guys that become four fifth round

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Speaker 1: picks to become all pros. That used to happen a lot,

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Speaker 1: But I think a big reason for that was development,

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Speaker 1: and that's kind of gone. These defensive tackles. Now dude

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Speaker 1: comes in the league six four three and he runs

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Speaker 1: a four seven. That that just that human didn't used

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Speaker 1: to exist in two thousand seven, So it was easier

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Speaker 1: for Matt Ryan and those guys that couldn't move to function.

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Speaker 1: I would say that they just had more time. Those

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Speaker 1: days are over, So I would never say never because things,

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Speaker 1: everything in life is cyclical, right, It just all kind

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Speaker 1: of rotates in a slow circle. Uh. That being said,

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Speaker 1: I I don't foresee that happening anytimes soon, right, Like

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Speaker 1: do you foresee in basketball they're just being a renaissance

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Speaker 1: of big guys banging in the post, Like now, that's

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Speaker 1: that's never gonna happen. Do you foresee in baseball? You know,

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Speaker 1: guys slap hitters that just bat three sixty coming back

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Speaker 1: like when I was a kid. No, they don't want that,

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Speaker 1: like people want athletic quarterbacks, which honestly makes some sense.

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Speaker 1: Right now, you could argue the greatest quarterback of all

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Speaker 1: time slow, I would say the second greatest quarterback of

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Speaker 1: all time Joe Montana pretty damn good athlete, John Elway

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Speaker 1: pretty damn good athlete, Aaron Rodgers far pretty damn good athlete,

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Speaker 1: Dan Marino not a good athlete relative to you know,

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Speaker 1: NFL players, Peyton Manning pretty bad athlete, Steve Young pretty

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Speaker 1: good athlete. So a large percentage of the greatest quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: of all time might not have been Michael Vick. But

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Speaker 1: they've been athletic, they've been able to move, and uh,

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Speaker 1: I think that will only grow the game and say

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Speaker 1: and say the volume