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Speaker 1: The Michael Barry Shoe.

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Speaker 2: Native Texas, according to the Census, has one point four

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Speaker 2: million veterans. Recent studies suggest between thirty three and forty

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Speaker 2: four veterans commit suicide every day in the United States.

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Speaker 2: Representative Cody Harris said, I begain isn't just another drug.

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Speaker 2: It's a whisper of redemption. In a single dose. It

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Speaker 2: can silence the screams of withdrawal, quiet the cravings that

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Speaker 2: chain people to addiction, and mend the broken pieces of

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Speaker 2: a mind ravaged by trauma. It has been described as

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Speaker 2: a by Dakota Meyer, as a hard reset. I don't

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Speaker 2: know if it works. I don't know how it works,

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Speaker 2: but I do know that I am very open and

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Speaker 2: eager for us to try things that might help people

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Speaker 2: who we send off to war and others, by the way,

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Speaker 2: who are suffering. To that end, Brian Hubbard is our guest.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the program, Brian.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much for the opportunity to spend time

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Speaker 3: with you and your audience this morning.

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Speaker 2: Sir, what is your involvement with IB again, Let's start there.

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Speaker 3: Well, I am a former appointed leader in Kentucky State government.

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Speaker 3: I had the opportunity to run the state social security,

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Speaker 3: disability and Chian support enforcement systems, as well as a

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Speaker 3: law enforcement agency called the Office of Medicaid Fraud and

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Speaker 3: Abuse Control that investigates and consecutes medical providers for fraud

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Speaker 3: on that system. The last role I held in Kentucky

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Speaker 3: state government was as the first chairman and executive director

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Speaker 3: of the Kentucky Opioid Commission, which had as its responsibility

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Speaker 3: the administration and oversight of almost one billion dollars in

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Speaker 3: settlement funds with which to combat an opioid epidemic that

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Speaker 3: began in the Appalachian mountains of East Kentucky's southern West

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Speaker 3: in in the far southwestern corner of that state. Within

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Speaker 3: the role of Chairman of the Opioid Commission, I said,

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Speaker 3: our very first responsibility is to look for Kentucky's Manhattan

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Speaker 3: Project opportunity to pioneer a therapeutic breakthrough for opioid dependent individuals.

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Speaker 3: Despite best intentions and the deployment of billions of dollars

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Speaker 3: in public money, our existing treatment options are delivering unacceptedly

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Speaker 3: mediocre results. Now we must do better. So from that position,

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Speaker 3: I started looking everywhere I could for what that opportunity

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Speaker 3: may be. And on July the twenty ninth of twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty two, I heard the word I Begain for the

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Speaker 3: very first time. And after eight months of intensive due diligence,

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Speaker 3: research and critical examination that consisted of a second full

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Speaker 3: time off the book's job performed over those months, I

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Speaker 3: came to the conclusion that I Begain had three powerful attributes.

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Speaker 3: One is that it essentially resolves physiological substance dependence for opioids,

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Speaker 3: for alcohol, for cocaine, and for mass sessions for which

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Speaker 3: there are no effective medical treatments to deal with ritual

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Speaker 3: in an accelerated time frame, and by that I mean

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Speaker 3: within thirty six to forty eight hours of an in

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Speaker 3: national administration for eighty percent of people who get it.

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Speaker 2: Brian hold with me for just a moment. I had

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Speaker 2: him pictured as Colonel Sanders. He looks more like Jeremiah Johnson.

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Speaker 2: Robert Restorers. Jeremia John's were going to hope up to

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Speaker 2: a lot younger than stink. There are lots of promises

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Speaker 2: of a silver bullet, but there are also things that work.

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Speaker 2: I really for the people who would benefit from this,

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Speaker 2: I really hope it does. Brian Hubbard is our guest.

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Speaker 2: He's executive director of the American Ibagain Initiative through the

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Speaker 2: R I D Foundation. Brian, I had you pictured looking

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Speaker 2: like Colonel Sanders, and then you came off looking like

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Speaker 2: Jeremiah Johnson.

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Speaker 3: Well, I always enjoyed the opportunity to deliver unexpected surprises.

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Speaker 1: How did you get so hawked up? What's your background?

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Speaker 3: Well? By way of background, I grew up in the

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Speaker 3: I had two beautiful Papa Hall's who were grade school

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Speaker 3: and say, look, if y'all knows you're scared, you're worried,

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Speaker 3: you're frightened, but you need to know two things. Half

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Speaker 3: God has a special and unique purpose for your life.

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Speaker 3: No matter how bad it gets, no matter how dark

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Speaker 3: and God's going to take care of you and sir,

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Speaker 3: If I hadn't had those gentlemen given me that lesson

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Speaker 3: my greatest aspiration. So whatever virtue is there, I credit

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Speaker 3: way of grandfathers.

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Speaker 2: Brian Hubbard I first heard about I begain from Marcus

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Speaker 2: the Treel and I've wanted to clarify during the break

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Speaker 2: that he was okay me telling the story, and he

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Speaker 2: evangelizing that this was what needed to be done for veterans.

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Speaker 1: What is I begin and how does it work?

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Speaker 3: I began as an alkaloid. It is psychoactive that is

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Speaker 3: derived from three West African plant sources. One is the

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Speaker 3: eboga root, which takes about ten years to come into maturation.

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Speaker 3: It is the cultural pearl of a West African civilization

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Speaker 3: called the Buedis. The Buedis have used eboga in their

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Speaker 3: cultural and religious ceremonies for centuries. The mid sixties, a

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Speaker 3: gentleman by the name of Howard Lotzov had had a

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Speaker 3: heroin addiction that had nearly taken his life, and he

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Speaker 3: had struggled with it for nine years. He came into

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Speaker 3: contact with ibagain that had been derived from that evogal route,

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Speaker 3: and he had an experience that lasted about ten to

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Speaker 3: twelve hours, which is how long I begain lasts, and

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Speaker 3: at the end of it he no longer wished to

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Speaker 3: have heroin, and he never went back. And that touched

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Speaker 3: off sixty years of intensive deep dive observation of Field

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Speaker 3: two other plant sources from which it comes. One is

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Speaker 3: called the blow Conga africana. It grows quickly, it grows plentifully.

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Speaker 3: It could grow in the Rio Grande Valley of Texas.

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Speaker 3: It is that environmentally suitable for this state. Uniquely, There's

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Speaker 3: But what is known about ibogain as an individual alkaloid

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Speaker 3: is that it has the unique ability, as previously mentioned,

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Speaker 3: to resolve physiological substance dependence. It has recently been discovered

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Speaker 3: not only does it interrupt addiction, but it has profound

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Speaker 3: regenerative effects on the brain itself. Our veterans, unfortunately, are

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Speaker 3: ground zero for multiple systems failures within the United States government, federally,

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Speaker 3: panopleo pharmacology that at bottom essentially anesthetize the soul and

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Speaker 3: slowly euthanize the body, and as veterans have become desperate

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Speaker 3: for relief that American systems will not deliver, they have

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Speaker 3: taken the hell Mary Pass of a trip to Mexico

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Speaker 3: for an eyebegame treatment. And as they have returned in

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Speaker 3: recall feeling in their life. A cohort of thirty were

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Speaker 3: studied by Stanford University. The results were released in the

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Speaker 3: journal Nature Medicine on January fifth, twenty twenty four, and

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Speaker 3: those results were dramatic. Number One, it has been discovered

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Speaker 3: that ibagain essentially resolves traumatic brain injury. And what makes

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Speaker 3: this so incredibly significant is there is nothing known within

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Speaker 3: the medical universe that regenerates the tissue of the brain itself,

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Speaker 3: not one thing except for IB again. Pre and post

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Speaker 3: mriimages of the veteran brains revealed that a single administration

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Speaker 3: emotional regulation and executive functioning grew in size, and the

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Speaker 3: average reversal with brain age among the cohort of thirty

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Speaker 3: So what we now know is that not only is

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Speaker 3: i begain a profound addiction interruptor, but it has the

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Speaker 3: capacity to regenerate brain tissue in ways that are just

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Speaker 3: now beginning to be understood. And if we have the

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Speaker 3: opportunity in Texas to pioneer i be gain's pharmaceutical development

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Speaker 3: through the FDA's process as champion by House Built author

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Speaker 3: Cody Harris and Senate Bill author Tan Parker, we are

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Speaker 3: going to pioneer breakthroughs related to the treatment of conditions

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Speaker 3: and these include Parkinson's disease, line disease, multiple sclerosis, and

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Speaker 3: perhaps even Alzheimer's disease. We cannot develop this medication quickly

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Speaker 3: Texas as we let for an opportunity to allocate fifty

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Speaker 2: Brian Hubbard is executive director of the iber Gain Foundation.

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Speaker 2: To be clear, folks, we're not trying to legalize ib game.

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Speaker 2: We're not trying to get you to take it. We're

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Speaker 2: not making I'm not making any medical claims. This is

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Speaker 2: because that's what it turns out to be. Brian Hubbard,

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Speaker 2: That financial incentive makes makes money break loose and want

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Speaker 3: Well, let's begin with the acknowledgment of a very specific

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Speaker 3: for ibergain trials within the FDA's framework is to medicalize

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Speaker 3: ibergain lost its patent as an addiction treatment back in

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Speaker 3: from a week to ten days inpatient, and receive eyebigain treatment.

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Speaker 3: This is a very serious medication that does come with

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Speaker 3: certain cardiac risks, and it's important that this be administered

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Speaker 3: When a person takes what are essentially appeals, and that's

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Speaker 3: how it's currently administered in the clinics of Mexico, you

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, there's always a person who says my way

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Speaker 1: Oh yes, people are fascinating. People are fascinating.

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Speaker 2: Brian Hubbard is the executive director of the IBE Game Foundation.

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Speaker 2: By the way, I'm not trying to get anybody to

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Speaker 2: But I've also watched guys who struggled when they came

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Speaker 1: That doesn't seem right, does it?

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Speaker 2: Brian Hubbard? Let's wrap up. How do folks learn more

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Speaker 3: all about the Texas Abagat Initiative and it's goal of

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Speaker 3: stop is the graveyard. But for the intervention effects that

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Speaker 2: Quote my dear friend Marcus Latrell, who went through the treatment,

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Speaker 1: It is so heavily abused.

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Speaker 1: And you know, the early.

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Speaker 2: call Camp Hope at eight seven seven seven one seven

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Speaker 2: PTSD and a combat veteran will answer the phone to

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Speaker 2: provide free counseling