1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori 3 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: with you, Robert Bruce back with us. Several of his 4 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: books have gone through new editions. By the Way Astral 5 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: Dynamics and the Practical Psychic Self Defense Handbook. Robert is 6 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 1: an internationally respected authoristic speaker, lives in Australia for more 7 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: than forty years. Robert has explored the mechanics, the energetics, 8 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: the dynamics of paranormal and spiritual phenomena, how these things 9 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: are working, astral projection, the human body, the energy portion 10 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 1: of it, manifestation and self healing and psychic self defense 11 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:43,520 Speaker 1: and the afterlife experiences. Lifetime of firsthand experiences and unbiased 12 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: approach allows him to make simple sense of these things 13 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: on a whole new level, which you're going to hear 14 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: about tonight, Robert, welcome back. It's been way too long, 15 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: my friend. How are you, George, It's been a while. 16 00:00:56,200 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: I'm doing well, thanks, And how are things down? Under cold? 17 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 1: It's coming off a winter here, yeah, that is. We've 18 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: got strange weather out this way too. The Midwest is 19 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:11,479 Speaker 1: getting hit with tornadoes and all kinds of strange things. 20 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: But it's good to have you back on. And of 21 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 1: course you're an expert in a lot of these different areas. 22 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 1: And I want to talk about two main ones tonight, 23 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:22,680 Speaker 1: and that is astral projection and psychic defense with these 24 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:27,040 Speaker 1: dark entities. And let's talk about astral projection first. Robert, 25 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 1: first of all, give us your thoughts, your definition on 26 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: just what astral projection is. Astral projection is when you 27 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 1: usually you're asleep or close to sleep, and you leave 28 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: your body and you have fully aware of you are 29 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: leaving your body behind, your physical body behind, and you 30 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 1: are moving out side and away from it. And an 31 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: astrobrojector can often look around and see their physical body 32 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: where it is, so it's quite a visceral sensation. And 33 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: there's often quite strong sensations involved in the separation, like 34 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 1: an extremely rapid heartbeat. You're talking like five hundred beats 35 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: a minute. It feels like wow, which is not the heart, 36 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: it's a heart chakra, so physical heart doesn't change. You 37 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: get whole body vibrations from head to toe, buzzing sensation, 38 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:31,919 Speaker 1: and a continual falling sensation. They're the three most common ones. 39 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 1: So it's quite a major experience in itself, quite unmistakable, 40 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 1: and you can see things in the astral plane as 41 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:44,360 Speaker 1: they exist. I mean, we get a lot of stories, 42 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 1: of course, where somebody's having an operation in a hospital. 43 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:51,639 Speaker 1: They will leave their body kind of hover over it, 44 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 1: and they can see the doctor, the attending surgeon, the nurses, 45 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: the attendants, and sometimes in some cases Robert. They hear 46 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 1: them talking about the person who's lying down there, and 47 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:04,919 Speaker 1: then they come back into their body and they talk 48 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: to the doctor about it, and the doctor's amazed that 49 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: this person remembered everything and you know, mentioned things that 50 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 1: they talked about. How does the astral body have this 51 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: ability to see and hear. I can't really tell you 52 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:27,239 Speaker 1: the exact mechanism involved there, but that is what real 53 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 1: time astro projection is like. You are like a ghost 54 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:35,119 Speaker 1: in the real world. You can almost touch things. It's 55 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:40,119 Speaker 1: like being slightly out of phase with reality and your 56 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 1: description there of patients coming out of body during surgery. 57 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 1: You can hear and see things that are happening, real 58 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: things that are happening in real time, and report back 59 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: on them afterwards accurately. And that is a real time 60 00:03:56,040 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: after projection. And of course there are other type of 61 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: astral projection, other levels that you can project into, but 62 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: the real time one is the one that most people experience. 63 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: Is the astral projection state a little like dying. It's 64 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 1: almost the same thing, isn't it. It's exactly like dying, George. 65 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:22,359 Speaker 1: That is, in fact your astral body. That is, you 66 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: could say, your spirit body. That is exactly what's going 67 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 1: to happen to you when you die. You are going 68 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: to be ejected out of body, and your physical body 69 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: has died while it's dying, and then a lot more 70 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 1: energy than you would normally have an astral projection. The 71 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: living vitality from the physical body will transfer into the 72 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 1: astral body, making it much more, much stronger than it 73 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 1: would normally be during an afterprojection. During an aftral projection, 74 00:04:55,640 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 1: you are splitting the available energy resources between the physical 75 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 1: body and the astral body, because if the physical body 76 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: is still alife. Yeah, would you say the astral body 77 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: is like the soul, Yes, same thing exactly. It can 78 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 1: be called the soul because if that is what is 79 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 1: left over after you physically die, then that is the soul. 80 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: I've always heard that in your astral states you're still 81 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 1: connected to your physical body with some kind of silver cord, 82 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 1: but when you die, that that chord is severed. Is 83 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 1: that true? I think so, George. I think it's even 84 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 1: written in the Bible. There's a saying, a passage in 85 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:47,039 Speaker 1: there that says, when the silver chord is broken and 86 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 1: the golden bowl is shattered. I think that's revering referring 87 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: to the silver cord. Now, I started after projecting when 88 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 1: I was about three to four years of age. It's 89 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 1: just a little kid, and I had zero exposure to 90 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: any literature, so I had no bias at all, and 91 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 1: I had thousands of after projections, like multiple ones every night. Now, 92 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: I came across the silver cord very early on in 93 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: my childhood after projections, and it looks like imagine a 94 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:23,280 Speaker 1: rope about one to two inches thick, coming from your 95 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: navel and it's made of a sparkling silver substance. Imagine 96 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 1: you know the static you get on a television screen 97 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 1: when it's turned off station. That's sparkling static. That's what 98 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 1: it looks like. And you don't I don't see it 99 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:47,039 Speaker 1: all the time, and some people don't see it. And 100 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 1: there's quite a bit of controversy over whether it exists 101 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: or not, but my early observations being unbiased, I stick 102 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: by that, and you've got to think to yourself, there's 103 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: got to be some energetic action between the physical body 104 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:06,600 Speaker 1: and the astral body. While it's still alive. Question to 105 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: be something now when you're out of your astral when 106 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 1: you're out of your physical body in the astral state, 107 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 1: is there any limitation to where you can go? No, 108 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: absolutely not. You can go to the end of the universe, 109 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: to the furthest galaxy in the blink of an eye. 110 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 1: I've done that. I've done many many years of expliration, 111 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 1: pushing the envelope to see what I could do with this. 112 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 1: Over the years and a number of times I tried 113 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: to get to the end of the universe, and in 114 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 1: the astral body, the speed you can travel at is phenomenal. 115 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: I'm talking probably trillions of times faster than the speed 116 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 1: of light. Imagine a speed where galaxies are flicking by 117 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 1: you like street lights in a fast motor vehicle, and 118 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 1: trying to get to the edge of the universe. And 119 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: when I finally got there, I believe Robert Monroe of 120 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: the Monroe Institute had a similar experience written in this book. 121 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 1: And when I got there, I found a gigantic brick wall, 122 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 1: which would be a mental construction, not of mine. I 123 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 1: mean the gigantic brick wall, each brick with the size 124 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: of a galaxy. And I'm floating there in the space saying, 125 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 1: what you're kidding, This can't be real, and so using 126 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:47,679 Speaker 1: my mind, I started attacking the wall and trying to 127 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: break through it, thinking it might be some kind of 128 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 1: a barrier, and I broke a big section of it 129 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: aside and beyond that work they can only describe as 130 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: primary audial forces. They were exploding sons and fireballs and 131 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 1: rocks and elemental forces. It was a maelstrom of energy 132 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 1: beyond the universe that we're in now. I can't explain that. 133 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: That's just my experience, but corroborated by Robert Munroe who 134 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: had a very similar experience. There were some folks in 135 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 1: the eighteen hundreds who really got involved in astral projection. 136 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 1: There's a brit by the name of Herewood Carrington, Sylvan Muldoon, 137 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 1: and they would do you know, early types of work 138 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: in this area, way before anybody even knew what was 139 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 1: going on there. They got very accurate with what they did. 140 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: How did they know this stuff, Robert, I mean, are 141 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: you familiar with them? Yes, I've read their books. The 142 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 1: Sylvan Muldoon was a very sick man. He had a 143 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:03,079 Speaker 1: lot of illness in his life and I think because 144 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:06,439 Speaker 1: of that, spending a lot of time in bed, he 145 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 1: was a natural astral projector and he started having astral projections. 146 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 1: So it's just something that he did. He started having them, 147 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 1: and this is an actual and Carrington, I don't know 148 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 1: the story there where he started from. But some people 149 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: are natural astral projectors like myself. I started when I 150 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: was at the age of four, before the age of 151 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 1: four and had just every night as a child, I 152 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: would have several aftral projections. Some were short, some were longer. 153 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:42,959 Speaker 1: I just float in and out of my body. Then 154 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: my research over the years of not my research, my 155 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 1: expiation shows me that every living thing astral projects. Cats, dogs, horses, hamsters, everything. 156 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: If it's a life, it astral project. Because this is 157 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 1: a universal phenomenon that applies to every living thing. And 158 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:11,079 Speaker 1: if it wasn't universal, there'll be a big question mark 159 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:15,719 Speaker 1: over there saying why can only humans do this and 160 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 1: not just advance humans. I mean a lot of people 161 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: who are just really even below average human beings will 162 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: sometimes have astral projection ability. But because cats and dogs 163 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 1: do it, and I've made countless observations, thousands of observations 164 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: of animals over the years. In fact, often when I 165 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 1: astral project in real time, when I leave the house, 166 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 1: my cats and dogs follow me away like we're going 167 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 1: for a walk, and they'll follow me around at the 168 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: astral So that tells you something about the nature of it, 169 00:11:54,400 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 1: the natural thing that is astral projection. Absolutely can you 170 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 1: project at will pretty much at will, Like I couldn't 171 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 1: do it while I'm talking to you on the phone 172 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: here now, But don't, don't. Don't. Then I won't have 173 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 1: anybody to interview exactly. Yeah, because when you when you 174 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: astral project, particularly a real time astral projection or any 175 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 1: kind of astral projection, really you're splitting the available consciousness 176 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 1: energy between the physical body and the astral and with 177 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 1: the astral and active, and that takes most of the energy, 178 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:36,319 Speaker 1: and that paralyzes the physical body, so you would you 179 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: wouldn't be able to talk. And you know, there are 180 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 1: crossovers there, There are some types of or levels of 181 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: astral projection you can do where the physical body can 182 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: be like partially away and you can manage to like 183 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 1: grunt a little bit and mumble a little bit, but 184 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 1: you can't. You can barely move your sami paralyzed. But 185 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 1: so there's lots of different gray areas here and a 186 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 1: lot of areas still to explore in What do you 187 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: mean exactly about the mind split effect? Is that a 188 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 1: little bit of what you just mentioned. Yeah, the true 189 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 1: nature of aftral projection, which should put a lot of 190 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: people's minds at ease because everybody does this whenever they 191 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 1: sleep unconsciously. We just don't remember it because we're wired 192 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 1: not to remember these things. I discovered the mind split 193 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 1: effect many many years ago when I was doing an 194 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:45,320 Speaker 1: enormous amount of every night, you know, all evening from 195 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 1: dark till dawn, sometimes after projecting again and again and 196 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 1: again and studying the what it feels like to come 197 00:13:56,000 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 1: out of body, what chakras were involved, and coming back 198 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 1: in and just experimenting. And I was doing it for 199 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 1: pure personal interest at the time. This was way before 200 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 1: I ever thought about writing a book, and I discovered 201 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 1: because I was so into experimenting, I had an AFTRA projection, 202 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 1: and this is what it's like. I was meditating in 203 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 1: the chair, you know, doing some energy work and that, 204 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 1: and I started an aftro projection exit technique, which normally 205 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 1: didn't take long. So everything went well. The big whole 206 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 1: body vibrations were there, the rapid heartbeat, the falling sensation, 207 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 1: and I start moving out a body and then it stopped. 208 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 1: And this is the very common scenario for people who 209 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 1: are trying to ask from project And I thought to myself, 210 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: well I failed. Then I don't know why, so I'll 211 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: continue meditating and keeping in mind meditation as you emotionless 212 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 1: didn't know, I was paralyzed and not actually succeeded. Now, 213 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 1: me in my astral body was of course, had a 214 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 1: slightly different memory. Its memory was of coming out of 215 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 1: the body with a successful aftral projection, that it was 216 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: sitting up on the roof. Now it decided me, it's 217 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 1: a grammatical nightmare multiples to the same one to come 218 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: back down in and study proximity effects to the physical body. 219 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 1: So I am there with in my physical body sitting 220 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: and I'm experimenting with astral sight, which is seeing through 221 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 1: my closed eyelids into the astral and the room around me, 222 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 1: and guess it walks through the wall. I do another you. 223 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 1: There's two of me there, and we communicated in a sense. 224 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: It's quite a disturbing phenomen I wanted to have two 225 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 1: of you close together, and that keyed me into the possibility, 226 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 1: and so I did a lot more experiments with that, 227 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: and I found that that was what was happening. And 228 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: to put it in a nutshell, George, what happens when 229 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 1: you ask will project to any kind of out of 230 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 1: body experience is that you project an energy copy of yourself, 231 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 1: which can be the soul, it can be the spirit, 232 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: whatever you want. But you project an energy copy of yourself, 233 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 1: the original you, the master copy, the hard drive never 234 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 1: ever leaves your physical body while you still live. And 235 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 1: this explains also why you get paralyzed, and also why 236 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: you can be semi awake in your physical body and 237 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 1: also out in the astral. There A lot of people 238 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: report to me, you know, it's a common letter I 239 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 1: get like a weekly at least. Is oh of having 240 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 1: these scary experiences are like afterprojection. But I've got this 241 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 1: really scary doppled ganger. You know, this spirit that looks 242 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:18,399 Speaker 1: just like me walking around in my bedroom. What do 243 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 1: I do? Will it attack me? Is it dangerous? So 244 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:27,400 Speaker 1: misunderstandings like this can cause a lot of a lot 245 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:30,440 Speaker 1: of grief for some people. But if you understand that, 246 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:34,119 Speaker 1: you know a copy of you is coming out, and 247 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 1: if you physically died while you were having an afterprojection, 248 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 1: the transfer of energy and consciousness would continue to strengthen 249 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: the aftral body and you would start from there in 250 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 1: the afterlife. 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