WEBVTT - The Ridiculous Truth About Pirates, Chapter One: The Caribbean 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:27.560 Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to 0:00:27.600 --> 0:00:30.880 the show, fellow Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always so 0:00:31.120 --> 0:00:34.320 much for tuning in. That's our super producer, mister Max Williams. 0:00:34.320 --> 0:00:37.120 Hello, I am here and in the room for a while. 0:00:37.240 --> 0:00:39.720 He's sitting in a chair. We're all here together. 0:00:40.000 --> 0:00:43.639 Yes, they call me Ben Bullen for tax purposes, and 0:00:43.680 --> 0:00:46.440 that's mister Noel Brown. Did you do your taxes? 0:00:46.600 --> 0:00:47.760 What's that done? Your taxes? 0:00:47.840 --> 0:00:50.360 This a legal inquiry, yes it is. So we are 0:00:50.560 --> 0:00:52.599 all answer to me, Dan if we are going to 0:00:52.680 --> 0:00:56.720 you live, I don't from the I did do my taxes? 0:00:56.880 --> 0:00:58.840 Get black bags? See if I care. I was just 0:00:58.840 --> 0:00:59.560 trying to help you out. 0:00:59.600 --> 0:01:01.640 All right, did you do your taxes? 0:01:01.720 --> 0:01:04.919 Nope? All right, I did my taxes. In case we're wondering, 0:01:05.400 --> 0:01:07.920 I did him in January. And we have a good boy. 0:01:08.280 --> 0:01:11.759 We have a fourth person joining us today death long 0:01:11.840 --> 0:01:16.240 time brother in arms, also a co creator of stuff 0:01:16.280 --> 0:01:19.520 they don't want you to know. Fellow ridiculous historians. Let's 0:01:19.640 --> 0:01:22.680 welcome the one and only mister Matt Frederick. 0:01:23.160 --> 0:01:30.000 Hey, everybody, Matt the Voice Frederick, Matt the Private Privateers, 0:01:30.040 --> 0:01:38.360 saving Private Ryan's private privateers. 0:01:35.680 --> 0:01:36.480 Of our podcast. 0:01:37.280 --> 0:01:41.160 Hey, hey, hey, that's a different one, as you can tell, folks. 0:01:41.319 --> 0:01:44.280 Because we're talking about being good boys and paying our taxes. 0:01:44.480 --> 0:01:49.760 We're leading into a an exploration that we couldn't imagine 0:01:49.800 --> 0:01:53.280 occurring in a better environment. We are going to talk 0:01:53.280 --> 0:01:58.120 about some of history's most ridiculous, obscure and strange pirates, 0:01:58.120 --> 0:02:01.680 and we're doing it in the former home of Caribbean piracy. 0:02:01.800 --> 0:02:04.600 It's true, it's a little it's a little different than 0:02:04.640 --> 0:02:05.200 it once was. 0:02:05.320 --> 0:02:07.280 It's they classed up the joy I don't know if 0:02:07.280 --> 0:02:09.040 they used to have flamingo yoga. 0:02:09.080 --> 0:02:10.120 In the pirate days. 0:02:10.160 --> 0:02:12.320 But you know, here we are at Bahama. 0:02:12.240 --> 0:02:15.840 At the lovely Baja Maar. We couldn't be more thrilled. 0:02:15.840 --> 0:02:20.200 We've been here for a couple of days. We are in, guys, honestly, 0:02:20.639 --> 0:02:23.320 a posh studio. I'm gonna say it. It's way better 0:02:23.360 --> 0:02:24.120 than what we're used to. 0:02:24.280 --> 0:02:27.080 It's well, you know, I mean, our individual homes typically 0:02:27.160 --> 0:02:29.200 serve as our studios, so results may vary. 0:02:29.240 --> 0:02:31.400 I like my situation. I hope you all like yours 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:31.720 as well. 0:02:31.760 --> 0:02:35.440 This situation, though, however, involves a fish bowl type thing 0:02:35.480 --> 0:02:38.240 where there are children and their families, just looking and 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:40.080 pointing at the at the odd men. 0:02:39.960 --> 0:02:41.720 And just tried to make eye contact with the dad 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:45.679 just ice man, Come on, dad, man. 0:02:45.639 --> 0:02:47.400 No, this is not how it works. I just want 0:02:47.400 --> 0:02:49.760 in your natural environment, dude, let them observe you. 0:02:49.960 --> 0:02:51.880 I want to meet that dad and to break the 0:02:52.080 --> 0:02:55.280 metaphorical fourth wall here a little bit. What's different today 0:02:55.320 --> 0:02:57.239 than it was from yesterday when we recording stuff that 0:02:57.240 --> 0:02:59.480 I want you to know is that's on video today 0:02:59.720 --> 0:03:01.640 is audio hanging on? 0:03:01.840 --> 0:03:02.639 Well, we have. 0:03:03.240 --> 0:03:05.720 Of the windows open, so there's a pathway that people 0:03:05.720 --> 0:03:08.280 are walking down, and yesterday I just walked by like whatever. 0:03:08.440 --> 0:03:09.520 Today they're just like. 0:03:11.000 --> 0:03:13.800 Because today it's way easier to see. 0:03:13.919 --> 0:03:16.200 That's right, the more of the foot traffic on that 0:03:16.360 --> 0:03:17.440 side of the cube. 0:03:17.600 --> 0:03:20.160 So you may hear us shout out people who are 0:03:20.240 --> 0:03:23.520 walking by. A fellow visitors to Baja Mar. There are 0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:26.799 a lot of very curious kids here. You may also 0:03:27.639 --> 0:03:30.399 encounter a random guest because we had some folks walk 0:03:30.440 --> 0:03:35.600 in as we're recording, likely shirtless, likely shirtless. It's a look, 0:03:35.720 --> 0:03:45.440 it's a mood, it's a vibe. Guys. What say we 0:03:45.520 --> 0:03:49.720 do it a listical style here and get into certain 0:03:49.760 --> 0:03:54.240 stories of different pirates, often obscure that we have been 0:03:54.560 --> 0:03:57.280 diving into over our past few days here. 0:03:57.160 --> 0:04:01.240 At Baja cliff Diving. Even it was a false cliff, 0:04:01.600 --> 0:04:02.800 but I did cliff dove. 0:04:02.920 --> 0:04:05.440 I remember we were cliff cliff. 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:09.840 Yes, and then you go into a little cove of sorts. 0:04:09.840 --> 0:04:11.520 What do you call that? A grotto? 0:04:12.080 --> 0:04:14.480 Much like the Playboy mansion. Yes, a legend. 0:04:14.640 --> 0:04:18.039 On the other side within said grotto, you can see 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:20.920 into this animal sanctuary that they've got set up in there. 0:04:20.960 --> 0:04:23.720 You can see all kinds of sharks and turtles. 0:04:23.960 --> 0:04:25.280 Tag not an ad. 0:04:26.800 --> 0:04:30.240 Hashtag, kind of an hashtag, kind of a kind of 0:04:30.279 --> 0:04:31.400 an ad. 0:04:31.440 --> 0:04:33.640 I'm sorry, I was genuinely excited. 0:04:34.880 --> 0:04:37.600 Because we are genuinely enthusiastic about this place. It's super 0:04:37.600 --> 0:04:42.040 super fun. Definitely no ad required, to be honest, we're 0:04:42.080 --> 0:04:43.520 just they put us up, and of course we're gonna 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:44.240 gush about the place. 0:04:44.240 --> 0:04:44.680 It rules. 0:04:45.080 --> 0:04:48.800 So, gentlemen, where should we begin? I guess we got 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:52.279 to talk about piracy in general. It's still a thing. 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:54.080 We should start close to home and then move our 0:04:54.120 --> 0:04:55.760 way outward back to our other home. 0:04:55.800 --> 0:04:58.640 Perhaps that's good, Yeah, and we can maybe end with 0:04:58.760 --> 0:05:01.000 the world's most six cessful pirates. 0:05:01.080 --> 0:05:02.919 Oh there we go. Okay, okay, like that. 0:05:03.040 --> 0:05:04.479 When I say close to home, I mean close to 0:05:04.480 --> 0:05:07.040 where we currently find ourselves at home, and then maybe 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:08.919 moving back towards the States. 0:05:09.120 --> 0:05:12.360 Oh and everybody check out our episode. Did pirates have 0:05:12.520 --> 0:05:15.440 a government from a few years back which also takes 0:05:15.480 --> 0:05:16.039 place here? 0:05:16.240 --> 0:05:16.839 It sure does. 0:05:16.920 --> 0:05:18.720 And I don't know if we talked about this on 0:05:18.800 --> 0:05:21.640 that episode, but I was doing a little digging. I 0:05:21.680 --> 0:05:23.880 know we talked about the eye patch trick. It wasn't 0:05:23.920 --> 0:05:27.240 necessarily that someone's eye had been removed by a parrot or. 0:05:27.320 --> 0:05:28.159 A butter little. 0:05:28.720 --> 0:05:31.160 It was about flipping the patch to the other side 0:05:31.160 --> 0:05:33.440 if you needed to go down into the below decks, 0:05:34.080 --> 0:05:37.000 and then that eye that had been blocked would be 0:05:37.080 --> 0:05:38.800 pre acclimated to the darkness. 0:05:38.960 --> 0:05:40.040 Beautiful, pretty cool. 0:05:40.279 --> 0:05:44.039 And the peg legory of it all, Yes, that was 0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:48.360 done by just some really industrious and thrifty woodworkers who 0:05:48.560 --> 0:05:50.680 kind of figured out how to use their certain set 0:05:50.720 --> 0:05:53.680 of skills to craft on the fly. 0:05:54.440 --> 0:05:56.680 What's the word prosthetics? 0:05:56.880 --> 0:05:59.080 Oh, I was thinking maybe you would put some kind 0:05:59.120 --> 0:06:02.440 of divot or whole in the deck, you know, so 0:06:02.480 --> 0:06:05.039 that you could really strap in. 0:06:06.520 --> 0:06:09.400 Yeah, stability during waves and then just rock people. And 0:06:09.640 --> 0:06:11.760 in a sword fight, you know, how is that guy 0:06:11.760 --> 0:06:13.240 able to swing around so quickly? 0:06:13.320 --> 0:06:15.000 Well, and speaking of the sword fights, of it all 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:17.960 been the the swashbuckling, you know, a golden age of 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:21.720 Hollywood pirates sword fights we know as being very precision 0:06:21.800 --> 0:06:24.320 and fencing like not how it was. It was much 0:06:24.400 --> 0:06:27.840 more cutthroat and slash and burn chaotic. 0:06:27.880 --> 0:06:31.840 And also we know that pirates, some pirate crews were 0:06:31.839 --> 0:06:35.440 actually really progressive for their time. We also know that 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:38.680 the line even let women hang out right right, though 0:06:38.720 --> 0:06:41.320 in the West it was still sometimes considered bad luck. 0:06:41.360 --> 0:06:44.280 We don't know if all the women were pirates, but 0:06:44.680 --> 0:06:48.000 we'll get to that. We'll get to the comp we'll 0:06:48.000 --> 0:06:50.320 get to some yes, we'll get to some feminism piracy. 0:06:50.320 --> 0:06:54.320 They got workers comp there were democratic votes on the ship. 0:06:54.400 --> 0:06:56.599 The Bauty was all split in equal shares. 0:06:57.160 --> 0:07:00.000 There was like a pension plan, you know, for people 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:02.760 who were retiring or who were injured. But there are 0:07:02.800 --> 0:07:07.080 also so many misconceptions about piracy in general. It's like 0:07:07.160 --> 0:07:11.880 it's a really muddy gray line between murky Water, privateer 0:07:12.040 --> 0:07:14.800 Murky Waters, or dark Waters. Did you guys ever see 0:07:14.800 --> 0:07:17.120 that cartoon Dark Water. 0:07:16.920 --> 0:07:18.200 Saw the movie dark Water. 0:07:18.520 --> 0:07:20.120 The one about that was the one about the the 0:07:20.440 --> 0:07:23.679 teflon right, Yeah, there was a there was a super 0:07:23.680 --> 0:07:25.040 fun hang yeah, yeah. 0:07:24.800 --> 0:07:27.760 There was another one. We'll get into it later. Just 0:07:27.920 --> 0:07:31.000 hit us up on Ridiculous Historians of Facebook if you 0:07:31.080 --> 0:07:33.960 remember that obscure card, especially if you're an old I. 0:07:33.920 --> 0:07:36.040 Sound familiar, man, but I like, I feel like I 0:07:36.040 --> 0:07:39.040 can picture something in my mind of the art. 0:07:39.680 --> 0:07:43.239 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's very pirate coded, 0:07:43.320 --> 0:07:46.000 as Noel would say, Uh, it's I don't know if 0:07:46.000 --> 0:07:48.920 it holds up on rewatch, but it does bring us 0:07:48.920 --> 0:07:50.120 to a question, what about. 0:07:49.880 --> 0:07:53.800 Flight of Dragons though, yes, it does okay cool and 0:07:53.840 --> 0:07:57.520 it is a ranking bass Yes, I love the rankings 0:07:57.520 --> 0:07:57.880 in the back. 0:07:57.920 --> 0:07:59.160 I'm surprised you haven't seen that. 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:00.960 I haven't. It seems like a bit of a deeper cut. 0:08:01.000 --> 0:08:01.400 I don't know. 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:04.520 One guys, can we talk about New Providence Island, the 0:08:04.520 --> 0:08:08.280 island on which we are sitting right now in the Bahamas, 0:08:08.320 --> 0:08:10.560 the Big Island? I feel like that's kind of what 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:14.360 we're hinting at. The cool things in piracy at least, well, 0:08:14.400 --> 0:08:17.720 there are a lot of interesting things, a lot of 0:08:17.760 --> 0:08:21.280 horrific things that happened with piracy. But during the Golden Age, 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:25.680 like sixteen ninety seventeen twenty, that's when here in the 0:08:25.720 --> 0:08:28.480 Bahamas there was a place that. 0:08:28.960 --> 0:08:30.240 Was an intentional community. 0:08:30.320 --> 0:08:32.960 Well it was completely bombarded and everybody left because this 0:08:33.040 --> 0:08:35.840 place was destroyed, and then a lot of folks came 0:08:35.880 --> 0:08:39.720 back and rebuilt everything and used it as a really 0:08:39.760 --> 0:08:42.120 ange HQ. 0:08:42.600 --> 0:08:44.199 It is like an HQ is also a bit of 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:45.240 a pirate utopia. 0:08:45.520 --> 0:08:48.720 It's very strange because you're thinking about British or Spanish 0:08:48.840 --> 0:08:51.520 rule back in the like colonial rule back in the day, 0:08:51.720 --> 0:08:54.440 that is one of the big problems in the world. 0:08:54.760 --> 0:08:56.600 And you're talking about a bunch of people who are 0:08:56.640 --> 0:09:00.560 really good at ships, making ships go and functioning on 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:03.000 the seas, a lot of them in the Atlantic Ocean, 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:05.880 especially once we're talking about here and the freedom that 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:09.479 that represents, right, and then the freedom that the Bahamas 0:09:09.520 --> 0:09:12.520 represented at that time when they created their own place, 0:09:12.600 --> 0:09:16.920 like as we were saying, like a freeport, not freeport, 0:09:17.280 --> 0:09:19.320 but like. 0:09:18.960 --> 0:09:20.800 Episode of stuff. They don't want you to know. 0:09:20.720 --> 0:09:24.240 Because Nasau, like now what is now Nasau was basically 0:09:24.280 --> 0:09:27.920 what the place we're talking about, and I'm trying to 0:09:27.920 --> 0:09:30.560 make a connection between the freedom of that that place 0:09:30.640 --> 0:09:34.400 represented versus the colonialism, and how a lot of the 0:09:34.400 --> 0:09:38.360 the pirateers began because they weren't getting paid right by 0:09:38.400 --> 0:09:40.440 people who commissioned them to be on a ship to 0:09:40.480 --> 0:09:41.760 go somewhere and do something. 0:09:41.520 --> 0:09:47.440 To or or absolutely conscripted them, yes right and made 0:09:47.520 --> 0:09:51.040 them in all function slaves and we'll get to like. 0:09:51.720 --> 0:09:53.760 And they just decided we're not doing this anymore. 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:57.200 Yeah, And the colonial powers had their own pirate armies. 0:09:57.240 --> 0:09:59.920 They just called them privateers and gave them little certain 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:02.439 that said what this guy does is fine. 0:10:02.480 --> 0:10:04.160 And I'm sorry, man, I didn't mean to interrupt. The 0:10:04.160 --> 0:10:06.679 privateer comment was not quite on base. You're more talking 0:10:06.679 --> 0:10:11.040 about when they were conscripted to just run supplies and victuals. 0:10:11.679 --> 0:10:14.400 Often often there's I think somebody you're going to be 0:10:14.400 --> 0:10:17.400 talking about today, Noel, And that thing happened in particular 0:10:17.480 --> 0:10:20.800 where a mutiny occurred because of the pay stopped and 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:23.160 they got stranded somewhere on a ship and they said, well, 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:25.360 I guess we're taking the ship so to jump in here. 0:10:25.400 --> 0:10:26.880 Like I think Ben, we were talking about this maybe 0:10:26.880 --> 0:10:30.559 two netsco that basically on every like long Spanish voyage, 0:10:30.640 --> 0:10:33.040 you basically read about there's a mutiny at some point. 0:10:33.200 --> 0:10:35.959 There is always a mutiny and all these things because 0:10:36.000 --> 0:10:37.240 they stopped paying people. 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:39.439 They like, the food goes bad. 0:10:39.400 --> 0:10:42.080 It goes bad for some reason. God grabs a bunch 0:10:42.080 --> 0:10:44.600 of cows. No, they're not going to talk about enough 0:10:44.640 --> 0:10:46.360 sourcing on that basil hood if you want to check 0:10:46.360 --> 0:10:49.680 that one out. But there's always gonna overthrown because it 0:10:49.760 --> 0:10:52.280 really sucked, and you know, there's these liberties will be 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:54.880 taken away because it's easy to you know, there's the 0:10:54.960 --> 0:10:57.360 romanticized view of pirates where it's like all these people 0:10:57.360 --> 0:10:59.720 weren't bad, they like the Pirates of the Caribbean view. 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:02.720 Then there's like the like pirates are bad, but they're 0:11:02.760 --> 0:11:04.679 just terrible view, But it's like, you know, they were 0:11:04.720 --> 0:11:07.200 rebelling against the system that was really bad. 0:11:07.320 --> 0:11:08.760 No, the truth is somewhere in the middle, and of 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:11.840 course there's examples on both sides. But it's so interesting 0:11:11.840 --> 0:11:14.600 to think about how a ship at sea really is 0:11:14.679 --> 0:11:17.640 like its own little country, and a mutiny is really 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:18.199 kind of like. 0:11:18.200 --> 0:11:19.400 Overthrowing the governments. 0:11:19.559 --> 0:11:22.280 But it's a lot easier to do when you as 0:11:22.360 --> 0:11:25.600 kind of like a bunch of your closest pals and 0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:27.839 then the guy that you want to overthrow. It's a 0:11:27.840 --> 0:11:31.120 little more functionally achievable goal on a ship. So that's 0:11:31.120 --> 0:11:33.000 probably why it happened so much more than like, you know, 0:11:33.120 --> 0:11:34.840 your average coup exactly. 0:11:34.880 --> 0:11:37.120 And then we also know to be clear here, we're 0:11:37.120 --> 0:11:40.640 primarily talking about piracy in the Caribbean, which is what 0:11:40.800 --> 0:11:43.959 most Americans are going to be thinking about right when 0:11:44.000 --> 0:11:46.600 you hear pirates, right, and a lot of that is 0:11:46.640 --> 0:11:49.600 probably due to Johnny Depp, But we have to realize 0:11:49.600 --> 0:11:53.400 that the colonial system, in a very real way, it 0:11:53.520 --> 0:11:57.920 created the Caribbean piracy, right, because these folks were under 0:11:58.240 --> 0:12:02.720 brutal class regimes. Uh, the punishments were incredibly harsh for 0:12:02.800 --> 0:12:06.319 all kinds of things because the captains and the colonial 0:12:06.400 --> 0:12:10.200 powers ruled through fear. So when we had when we 0:12:10.280 --> 0:12:14.640 had people who say, were of darker skin tone, right, 0:12:14.920 --> 0:12:17.360 they would never have a chance to advance in a 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:20.840 colonial operation at all. So why wouldn't you go somewhere else? 0:12:20.840 --> 0:12:24.440 And to the point of the egalitarianism of the pirate world, 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:27.760 those folks would have been welcomed into the right, yeah. 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:31.640 Especially if they're treated as able bodied yeah, and if 0:12:31.679 --> 0:12:35.120 not treated as equals treated less horribly fair enough. 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:37.800 See now I'm doing the romanticization again. It's easy to do. 0:12:37.960 --> 0:12:39.800 But at the very least you're right then they were 0:12:40.040 --> 0:12:41.079 allowed to exist. 0:12:41.280 --> 0:12:44.160 They were allowed to exist. Which does it seem like 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:46.000 it's asking for that much? So I think we're a 0:12:46.240 --> 0:12:52.720 low bar. We're gently becoming pro pirate because of the meritocracy. 0:12:52.840 --> 0:12:55.000 I want to yes, I want to make one point. 0:12:55.000 --> 0:12:59.800 It's it's uncomfortable, it's it's unsettling, it's it's gross and sorry, 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:02.240 I know that I know what show them on. We 0:13:02.360 --> 0:13:04.920 just have to point out in the in the writing, 0:13:05.480 --> 0:13:09.240 there's there's a lot of reading that you can do 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:12.679 about quote wild women, which you will see. You will 0:13:12.679 --> 0:13:14.760 see that phrase a lot when you're looking up the 0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:17.120 history of pirates. 0:13:17.480 --> 0:13:20.360 Well, well maybe I don't know. 0:13:22.160 --> 0:13:24.240 What. Just want to point this out here because it's 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:26.120 just it's a truth of a truth of the thing. 0:13:26.160 --> 0:13:28.240 We're talking about the different versions of pirates that you'll 0:13:28.280 --> 0:13:32.520 read about and the way they are depicted there. There's 0:13:32.679 --> 0:13:38.400 horrific s a happening across the board, but just I 0:13:38.440 --> 0:13:41.880 mean on ships when you know a port was rated 0:13:42.520 --> 0:13:46.120 everywhere that was happening, and it's just very much so 0:13:46.240 --> 0:13:48.440 in the way you know we've spoken before, but I've 0:13:48.480 --> 0:13:50.679 spoken with you guys before about vikings and the way 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:53.840 they're depicted, and you know, but there's all there's that 0:13:53.840 --> 0:13:57.000 that gray area between the truths often, but there is 0:13:57.080 --> 0:14:01.240 horrific stuff in almost every crew that I've read about it. 0:14:01.280 --> 0:14:04.560 Yeah, there's no happy pirate squad, you know what I mean. 0:14:04.600 --> 0:14:08.240 There's nobody who is like raiding a ship to bring hugs. 0:14:09.280 --> 0:14:11.800 This isn't happening. This is a great setup, Matt, for 0:14:12.559 --> 0:14:15.079 a story we'll get to later, because we did say 0:14:15.080 --> 0:14:17.680 we're going to get into some feminism in piracy, which 0:14:17.840 --> 0:14:20.000 I'm really excited about. This is going to be crazy, 0:14:20.240 --> 0:14:24.760 but you know, it's your proposition there about starting closer 0:14:24.800 --> 0:14:27.120 to the US centric view. Why do you kick it 0:14:27.160 --> 0:14:29.520 with us on the on the is there a pirate 0:14:29.560 --> 0:14:32.280 from the Caribbean that's really captured ry? 0:14:38.960 --> 0:14:40.280 Oh, geez, put me on the spot. 0:14:40.320 --> 0:14:41.840 Why don't you, Well, you know what, I will talk 0:14:41.880 --> 0:14:44.479 about this guy because it actually is also very applicable 0:14:44.960 --> 0:14:49.720 in terms of what we just discussed regarding the golden 0:14:49.760 --> 0:14:53.440 age of piracy, and there was actually a thing that 0:14:53.600 --> 0:14:58.080 happened where King George, the first kind of near the 0:14:58.200 --> 0:14:59.880 end of that Golden Age that Matt was talking about 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:03.320 seventeen eighteen to seventeen. Seventeen seventeen to seventeen eighteen, he 0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:07.120 passed something called the Acts of Grace, which essentially absolved 0:15:07.400 --> 0:15:10.880 a lot of these pirates for their crimes in the 0:15:11.040 --> 0:15:14.400 hopes that they would quit pirating. Yeah, but some of 0:15:14.440 --> 0:15:18.080 them said, King George, you can take your pardon and 0:15:18.200 --> 0:15:20.160 stick it where the sun don't shine. 0:15:20.240 --> 0:15:22.240 Also to jump in here, I mean, Ben, I know 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:25.280 you were the swell, but so much of my knowledge 0:15:25.280 --> 0:15:27.080 of this time of period it just comes from Assassin's 0:15:27.120 --> 0:15:30.920 creed for a black Flag. They're showing up, you know, 0:15:31.640 --> 0:15:34.520 is it Huntingford. We're going to get into him eventually, 0:15:34.600 --> 0:15:36.600 but yeah, he's your friend. He portrays you and you 0:15:36.640 --> 0:15:37.480 have to kill him later. 0:15:37.560 --> 0:15:39.640 Oh so yeah, I've never played a one of those 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:40.440 games where it's it. 0:15:42.040 --> 0:15:43.400 Start later in the franchise. 0:15:43.680 --> 0:15:46.200 I start earlier in the fan like the Pirate One. 0:15:46.280 --> 0:15:46.880 Don't start one? 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:47.680 Should I say? 0:15:47.720 --> 0:15:48.280 The Pirate One? 0:15:48.320 --> 0:15:48.440 Though? 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:49.360 Is that great. 0:15:50.960 --> 0:15:51.480 Mechanics? 0:15:51.520 --> 0:15:53.520 Well, they're going to re release it this year unless 0:15:53.520 --> 0:15:55.840 they're not going to re releaate what. Yeah, Ubisov has been 0:15:55.920 --> 0:15:57.880 haven't official announcement, but they've been working on a re 0:15:57.880 --> 0:16:01.800 release or remastering of four. But they're also working on 0:16:01.840 --> 0:16:05.360 a remastering of Prince Persia, which they canceled. 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:08.640 Because you have thoughts like going on now Srodingers. 0:16:08.880 --> 0:16:11.760 That's funny though, because Ubisoft is kind of the King George, 0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:13.120 the first of video. 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:14.720 Games in a lot of ways. 0:16:14.760 --> 0:16:17.520 Because not to get too off the track here, but 0:16:17.840 --> 0:16:21.280 we're all huge fans of clareub Scare Expedition thirty three, 0:16:21.600 --> 0:16:24.800 which is what one could argue as close to an 0:16:24.840 --> 0:16:28.840 indie game studio as might be able to generate what 0:16:29.040 --> 0:16:32.160 feels like a triple A title like clareub Scare. And 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:35.200 it was made up from folks who pitched that to Ubisoft, 0:16:35.440 --> 0:16:39.000 and he was continuously shot down and said, no, no, no, 0:16:39.040 --> 0:16:42.000 that's too weird, it is never gonna fly, and literally 0:16:42.040 --> 0:16:44.280 blew them out of the water when they started their 0:16:44.320 --> 0:16:45.880 own company Sandfall, dude. 0:16:46.200 --> 0:16:48.320 And by the way, I have my whole right arm 0:16:48.360 --> 0:16:52.200 exposed facing Matt right now, who refuses to play claireub 0:16:52.240 --> 0:16:53.600 Skire so he has to just stare at my. 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:57.680 You have to play it. With the audio we're getting on, I. 0:16:57.680 --> 0:16:59.720 Would love it so much if it wasn't all, you know, 0:16:59.760 --> 0:17:04.840 a generated I'm only kidding right now. 0:17:05.119 --> 0:17:08.919 The Proclamation for Suppressing of Pirates also known as the 0:17:08.960 --> 0:17:12.520 Act of Grace, and it was it was not an 0:17:12.520 --> 0:17:15.080 act of Parliament, but it was a royal proclamation that 0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:18.440 King George the First of Britain issued on September fifth 0:17:18.480 --> 0:17:22.560 of seventeen seventeen, promising a pardon for all acts of 0:17:22.600 --> 0:17:27.400 piracy committed before the following January the fifth, to any 0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:30.879 pirates who would be so bold as to surrender themselves 0:17:30.880 --> 0:17:34.760 to the Crown, to a proper authority before said deadline. 0:17:35.400 --> 0:17:37.800 And there were other, you know, caveats associated with that. 0:17:37.920 --> 0:17:40.959 But we're talking about a dude named Charles Vain, who 0:17:41.280 --> 0:17:44.960 I believe that's your your reference point with the game, right. 0:17:45.200 --> 0:17:48.240 Uh no, but he is got you play as a 0:17:48.280 --> 0:17:50.920 fictional pirate Edward Tenway. But Vain is one of the 0:17:50.960 --> 0:17:52.960 guys you meet and you don't think very highly of Vain. 0:17:53.040 --> 0:17:54.359 Vain has comes off as a real pill. 0:17:54.480 --> 0:17:56.320 Well he was Benjamin Horney Golden. 0:17:56.480 --> 0:17:58.320 Yeah, he's actually a kind of your mentor, and he's 0:17:58.400 --> 0:18:00.000 kind of like a guy who portrays you. 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:02.600 Jim and Horny gold Yes, matt okay, okay, just with 0:18:02.720 --> 0:18:02.960 an I. 0:18:03.920 --> 0:18:05.080 That's a banger of a pirate. 0:18:06.400 --> 0:18:09.560 For gold, we got vain and horny gold. 0:18:09.920 --> 0:18:13.679 So here's a quote from Captain Charles Johnson from a 0:18:13.760 --> 0:18:16.920 general History of the Pirates with a y because they 0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:20.720 spelled things funny. Back then, all the pirates who were 0:18:20.760 --> 0:18:25.000 found at this colony of rogues submitted and received certificates 0:18:25.000 --> 0:18:29.160 of their pardon, except Captain Vaine and his crew, who, 0:18:29.240 --> 0:18:31.760 as soon as they saw the men of War enter, 0:18:32.320 --> 0:18:36.160 slipped their cable, set fire to a prize they had 0:18:36.160 --> 0:18:40.440 in the harbor, and sailed out with their pirrishical colors flying, 0:18:40.800 --> 0:18:43.120 firing at one of the men of war as they 0:18:43.160 --> 0:18:43.960 went off. 0:18:44.080 --> 0:18:46.240 Boy, King go off, they went off. 0:18:46.680 --> 0:18:50.200 And folks, to be clear, Vain is to your point. No, 0:18:50.359 --> 0:18:56.080 he's one of the people who looked at this offer, offer, this, 0:18:56.080 --> 0:18:59.679 this olive branch from somebody that he totally freaking hated, 0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:03.000 and he played along at first, and he said, oh, yeah, yeah, 0:19:03.040 --> 0:19:05.080 you know me. I'm a I'm a good boy, I'm 0:19:05.080 --> 0:19:08.840 an upstanding maritime dude. And they said, oh, right there 0:19:08.880 --> 0:19:11.240 they were. The King's palled in for the uh. And 0:19:11.280 --> 0:19:14.919 then just a few months afterwards, as he said, he. 0:19:15.160 --> 0:19:16.320 Blew up the spot. 0:19:17.680 --> 0:19:20.960 To maybe you know, unpack that kind of you know, 0:19:21.000 --> 0:19:23.600 old timey quote I just read. He basically gave him 0:19:23.600 --> 0:19:26.480 the finger, set a ship on fire, and fled with 0:19:26.560 --> 0:19:29.679 his pirate flag flying, saying like, first of all, this 0:19:29.760 --> 0:19:34.840 is important to note Vain was a Jacobite, okay, meaning 0:19:35.200 --> 0:19:39.360 he was of the political ideology advocating for the restoration 0:19:39.440 --> 0:19:41.639 of the senior line of the House of Stuart to 0:19:41.680 --> 0:19:46.480 the British throne. So politically he was just absolutely opposed 0:19:46.680 --> 0:19:48.800 to everything that the King stood for. 0:19:51.240 --> 0:19:54.520