1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to 2 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: the show, fellow Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always so 3 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: much for tuning in. That's our super producer, mister Max Williams. 4 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 2: Hello, I am here and in the room for a while. 5 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 2: He's sitting in a chair. We're all here together. 6 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:43,639 Speaker 1: Yes, they call me Ben Bullen for tax purposes, and 7 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: that's mister Noel Brown. Did you do your taxes? 8 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 3: What's that done? Your taxes? 9 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: This a legal inquiry, yes it is. So we are 10 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:52,599 Speaker 1: all answer to me, Dan if we are going to 11 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: you live, I don't from the I did do my taxes? 12 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 2: Get black bags? See if I care. I was just 13 00:00:58,840 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 2: trying to help you out. 14 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 1: All right, did you do your taxes? 15 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:04,919 Speaker 3: Nope? All right, I did my taxes. In case we're wondering, 16 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 3: I did him in January. And we have a good boy. 17 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:11,759 Speaker 1: We have a fourth person joining us today death long 18 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: time brother in arms, also a co creator of stuff 19 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. Fellow ridiculous historians. Let's 20 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:22,680 Speaker 1: welcome the one and only mister Matt Frederick. 21 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 4: Hey, everybody, Matt the Voice Frederick, Matt the Private Privateers, 22 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 4: saving Private Ryan's private privateers. 23 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 3: Of our podcast. 24 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: Hey, hey, hey, that's a different one, as you can tell, folks. 25 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: Because we're talking about being good boys and paying our taxes. 26 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: We're leading into a an exploration that we couldn't imagine 27 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: occurring in a better environment. We are going to talk 28 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: about some of history's most ridiculous, obscure and strange pirates, 29 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: and we're doing it in the former home of Caribbean piracy. 30 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 3: It's true, it's a little it's a little different than 31 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 3: it once was. 32 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 2: It's they classed up the joy I don't know if 33 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 2: they used to have flamingo yoga. 34 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 5: In the pirate days. 35 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 3: But you know, here we are at Bahama. 36 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: At the lovely Baja Maar. We couldn't be more thrilled. 37 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 1: We've been here for a couple of days. We are in, guys, honestly, 38 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: a posh studio. I'm gonna say it. It's way better 39 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 1: than what we're used to. 40 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 2: It's well, you know, I mean, our individual homes typically 41 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 2: serve as our studios, so results may vary. 42 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 3: I like my situation. I hope you all like yours 43 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 3: as well. 44 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 2: This situation, though, however, involves a fish bowl type thing 45 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 2: where there are children and their families, just looking and 46 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 2: pointing at the at the odd men. 47 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 5: And just tried to make eye contact with the dad 48 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:45,679 Speaker 5: just ice man, Come on, dad, man. 49 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 3: No, this is not how it works. I just want 50 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 3: in your natural environment, dude, let them observe you. 51 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 6: I want to meet that dad and to break the 52 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 6: metaphorical fourth wall here a little bit. What's different today 53 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:57,239 Speaker 6: than it was from yesterday when we recording stuff that 54 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 6: I want you to know is that's on video today 55 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 6: is audio hanging on? 56 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:02,639 Speaker 1: Well, we have. 57 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 6: Of the windows open, so there's a pathway that people 58 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 6: are walking down, and yesterday I just walked by like whatever. 59 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 6: Today they're just like. 60 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 1: Because today it's way easier to see. 61 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 3: That's right, the more of the foot traffic on that 62 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 3: side of the cube. 63 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: So you may hear us shout out people who are 64 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 1: walking by. A fellow visitors to Baja Mar. There are 65 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:26,799 Speaker 1: a lot of very curious kids here. You may also 66 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:30,399 Speaker 1: encounter a random guest because we had some folks walk 67 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: in as we're recording, likely shirtless, likely shirtless. It's a look, 68 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: it's a mood, it's a vibe. Guys. What say we 69 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: do it a listical style here and get into certain 70 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: stories of different pirates, often obscure that we have been 71 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 1: diving into over our past few days here. 72 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 2: At Baja cliff Diving. Even it was a false cliff, 73 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 2: but I did cliff dove. 74 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: I remember we were cliff cliff. 75 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 5: Yes, and then you go into a little cove of sorts. 76 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 5: What do you call that? A grotto? 77 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 3: Much like the Playboy mansion. Yes, a legend. 78 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:18,039 Speaker 5: On the other side within said grotto, you can see 79 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 5: into this animal sanctuary that they've got set up in there. 80 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:23,720 Speaker 5: You can see all kinds of sharks and turtles. 81 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:25,280 Speaker 3: Tag not an ad. 82 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 1: Hashtag, kind of an hashtag, kind of a kind of 83 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: an ad. 84 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 5: I'm sorry, I was genuinely excited. 85 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:37,600 Speaker 2: Because we are genuinely enthusiastic about this place. It's super 86 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 2: super fun. Definitely no ad required, to be honest, we're 87 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 2: just they put us up, and of course we're gonna 88 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 2: gush about the place. 89 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 3: It rules. 90 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: So, gentlemen, where should we begin? I guess we got 91 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 1: to talk about piracy in general. It's still a thing. 92 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 2: We should start close to home and then move our 93 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 2: way outward back to our other home. 94 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: Perhaps that's good, Yeah, and we can maybe end with 95 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: the world's most six cessful pirates. 96 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:02,919 Speaker 3: Oh there we go. Okay, okay, like that. 97 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:04,479 Speaker 2: When I say close to home, I mean close to 98 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 2: where we currently find ourselves at home, and then maybe 99 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:08,919 Speaker 2: moving back towards the States. 100 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 1: Oh and everybody check out our episode. Did pirates have 101 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 1: a government from a few years back which also takes 102 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:16,039 Speaker 1: place here? 103 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 3: It sure does. 104 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:18,720 Speaker 2: And I don't know if we talked about this on 105 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 2: that episode, but I was doing a little digging. I 106 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 2: know we talked about the eye patch trick. It wasn't 107 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 2: necessarily that someone's eye had been removed by a parrot or. 108 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:28,159 Speaker 3: A butter little. 109 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:31,160 Speaker 2: It was about flipping the patch to the other side 110 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 2: if you needed to go down into the below decks, 111 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 2: and then that eye that had been blocked would be 112 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 2: pre acclimated to the darkness. 113 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 5: Beautiful, pretty cool. 114 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:44,039 Speaker 2: And the peg legory of it all, Yes, that was 115 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 2: done by just some really industrious and thrifty woodworkers who 116 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 2: kind of figured out how to use their certain set 117 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 2: of skills to craft on the fly. 118 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 3: What's the word prosthetics? 119 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 5: Oh, I was thinking maybe you would put some kind 120 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 5: of divot or whole in the deck, you know, so 121 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:05,039 Speaker 5: that you could really strap in. 122 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, stability during waves and then just rock people. And 123 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 1: in a sword fight, you know, how is that guy 124 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: able to swing around so quickly? 125 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 2: Well, and speaking of the sword fights, of it all 126 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 2: been the the swashbuckling, you know, a golden age of 127 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:21,720 Speaker 2: Hollywood pirates sword fights we know as being very precision 128 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 2: and fencing like not how it was. It was much 129 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:27,840 Speaker 2: more cutthroat and slash and burn chaotic. 130 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:31,840 Speaker 1: And also we know that pirates, some pirate crews were 131 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: actually really progressive for their time. We also know that 132 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 1: the line even let women hang out right right, though 133 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 1: in the West it was still sometimes considered bad luck. 134 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:44,280 Speaker 1: We don't know if all the women were pirates, but 135 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: we'll get to that. We'll get to the comp we'll 136 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: get to some yes, we'll get to some feminism piracy. 137 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: They got workers comp there were democratic votes on the ship. 138 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:56,599 Speaker 3: The Bauty was all split in equal shares. 139 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: There was like a pension plan, you know, for people 140 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: who were retiring or who were injured. But there are 141 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 1: also so many misconceptions about piracy in general. It's like 142 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 1: it's a really muddy gray line between murky Water, privateer 143 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: Murky Waters, or dark Waters. Did you guys ever see 144 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: that cartoon Dark Water. 145 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 5: Saw the movie dark Water. 146 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 2: The one about that was the one about the the 147 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:23,679 Speaker 2: teflon right, Yeah, there was a there was a super 148 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 2: fun hang yeah, yeah. 149 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: There was another one. We'll get into it later. Just 150 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: hit us up on Ridiculous Historians of Facebook if you 151 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: remember that obscure card, especially if you're an old I. 152 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 5: Sound familiar, man, but I like, I feel like I 153 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 5: can picture something in my mind of the art. 154 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:43,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's very pirate coded, 155 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: as Noel would say, Uh, it's I don't know if 156 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: it holds up on rewatch, but it does bring us 157 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: to a question, what about. 158 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 3: Flight of Dragons though, yes, it does okay cool and 159 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 3: it is a ranking bass Yes, I love the rankings 160 00:07:57,520 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 3: in the back. 161 00:07:57,920 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 1: I'm surprised you haven't seen that. 162 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 3: I haven't. It seems like a bit of a deeper cut. 163 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 3: I don't know. 164 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 5: One guys, can we talk about New Providence Island, the 165 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 5: island on which we are sitting right now in the Bahamas, 166 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 5: the Big Island? I feel like that's kind of what 167 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 5: we're hinting at. The cool things in piracy at least, well, 168 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 5: there are a lot of interesting things, a lot of 169 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 5: horrific things that happened with piracy. But during the Golden Age, 170 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 5: like sixteen ninety seventeen twenty, that's when here in the 171 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 5: Bahamas there was a place that. 172 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 3: Was an intentional community. 173 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 5: Well it was completely bombarded and everybody left because this 174 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 5: place was destroyed, and then a lot of folks came 175 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 5: back and rebuilt everything and used it as a really 176 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 5: ange HQ. 177 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:44,199 Speaker 3: It is like an HQ is also a bit of 178 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 3: a pirate utopia. 179 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 5: It's very strange because you're thinking about British or Spanish 180 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 5: rule back in the like colonial rule back in the day, 181 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 5: that is one of the big problems in the world. 182 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 5: And you're talking about a bunch of people who are 183 00:08:56,640 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 5: really good at ships, making ships go and functioning on 184 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 5: the seas, a lot of them in the Atlantic Ocean, 185 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 5: especially once we're talking about here and the freedom that 186 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:09,479 Speaker 5: that represents, right, and then the freedom that the Bahamas 187 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 5: represented at that time when they created their own place, 188 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 5: like as we were saying, like a freeport, not freeport, 189 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 5: but like. 190 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: Episode of stuff. They don't want you to know. 191 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 5: Because Nasau, like now what is now Nasau was basically 192 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 5: what the place we're talking about, and I'm trying to 193 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 5: make a connection between the freedom of that that place 194 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 5: represented versus the colonialism, and how a lot of the 195 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 5: the pirateers began because they weren't getting paid right by 196 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 5: people who commissioned them to be on a ship to 197 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 5: go somewhere and do something. 198 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 1: To or or absolutely conscripted them, yes right and made 199 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: them in all function slaves and we'll get to like. 200 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 5: And they just decided we're not doing this anymore. 201 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, And the colonial powers had their own pirate armies. 202 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 1: They just called them privateers and gave them little certain 203 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:02,439 Speaker 1: that said what this guy does is fine. 204 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 2: And I'm sorry, man, I didn't mean to interrupt. The 205 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:06,679 Speaker 2: privateer comment was not quite on base. You're more talking 206 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 2: about when they were conscripted to just run supplies and victuals. 207 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 5: Often often there's I think somebody you're going to be 208 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 5: talking about today, Noel, And that thing happened in particular 209 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 5: where a mutiny occurred because of the pay stopped and 210 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 5: they got stranded somewhere on a ship and they said, well, 211 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 5: I guess we're taking the ship so to jump in here. 212 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 6: Like I think Ben, we were talking about this maybe 213 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:30,559 Speaker 6: two netsco that basically on every like long Spanish voyage, 214 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 6: you basically read about there's a mutiny at some point. 215 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:35,959 Speaker 6: There is always a mutiny and all these things because 216 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 6: they stopped paying people. 217 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:39,439 Speaker 1: They like, the food goes bad. 218 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 6: It goes bad for some reason. God grabs a bunch 219 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 6: of cows. No, they're not going to talk about enough 220 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 6: sourcing on that basil hood if you want to check 221 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 6: that one out. But there's always gonna overthrown because it 222 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 6: really sucked, and you know, there's these liberties will be 223 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 6: taken away because it's easy to you know, there's the 224 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 6: romanticized view of pirates where it's like all these people 225 00:10:57,360 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 6: weren't bad, they like the Pirates of the Caribbean view. 226 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 6: Then there's like the like pirates are bad, but they're 227 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:04,679 Speaker 6: just terrible view, But it's like, you know, they were 228 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 6: rebelling against the system that was really bad. 229 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 2: No, the truth is somewhere in the middle, and of 230 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 2: course there's examples on both sides. But it's so interesting 231 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 2: to think about how a ship at sea really is 232 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 2: like its own little country, and a mutiny is really 233 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:18,199 Speaker 2: kind of like. 234 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 3: Overthrowing the governments. 235 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 2: But it's a lot easier to do when you as 236 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 2: kind of like a bunch of your closest pals and 237 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:27,839 Speaker 2: then the guy that you want to overthrow. It's a 238 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 2: little more functionally achievable goal on a ship. So that's 239 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 2: probably why it happened so much more than like, you know, 240 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 2: your average coup exactly. 241 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 1: And then we also know to be clear here, we're 242 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: primarily talking about piracy in the Caribbean, which is what 243 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:43,959 Speaker 1: most Americans are going to be thinking about right when 244 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 1: you hear pirates, right, and a lot of that is 245 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 1: probably due to Johnny Depp, But we have to realize 246 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 1: that the colonial system, in a very real way, it 247 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 1: created the Caribbean piracy, right, because these folks were under 248 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 1: brutal class regimes. Uh, the punishments were incredibly harsh for 249 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:06,319 Speaker 1: all kinds of things because the captains and the colonial 250 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 1: powers ruled through fear. So when we had when we 251 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 1: had people who say, were of darker skin tone, right, 252 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: they would never have a chance to advance in a 253 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: colonial operation at all. So why wouldn't you go somewhere else? 254 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 2: And to the point of the egalitarianism of the pirate world, 255 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 2: those folks would have been welcomed into the right, yeah. 256 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 1: Especially if they're treated as able bodied yeah, and if 257 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 1: not treated as equals treated less horribly fair enough. 258 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 3: See now I'm doing the romanticization again. It's easy to do. 259 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 3: But at the very least you're right then they were 260 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:41,079 Speaker 3: allowed to exist. 261 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 1: They were allowed to exist. Which does it seem like 262 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 1: it's asking for that much? So I think we're a 263 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 1: low bar. We're gently becoming pro pirate because of the meritocracy. 264 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 5: I want to yes, I want to make one point. 265 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 5: It's it's uncomfortable, it's it's unsettling, it's it's gross and sorry, 266 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 5: I know that I know what show them on. We 267 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 5: just have to point out in the in the writing, 268 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 5: there's there's a lot of reading that you can do 269 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:12,679 Speaker 5: about quote wild women, which you will see. You will 270 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 5: see that phrase a lot when you're looking up the 271 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 5: history of pirates. 272 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 3: Well, well maybe I don't know. 273 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 5: What. Just want to point this out here because it's 274 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 5: just it's a truth of a truth of the thing. 275 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 5: We're talking about the different versions of pirates that you'll 276 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 5: read about and the way they are depicted there. There's 277 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 5: horrific s a happening across the board, but just I 278 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 5: mean on ships when you know a port was rated 279 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 5: everywhere that was happening, and it's just very much so 280 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 5: in the way you know we've spoken before, but I've 281 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:50,679 Speaker 5: spoken with you guys before about vikings and the way 282 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 5: they're depicted, and you know, but there's all there's that 283 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 5: that gray area between the truths often, but there is 284 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 5: horrific stuff in almost every crew that I've read about it. 285 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no happy pirate squad, you know what I mean. 286 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: There's nobody who is like raiding a ship to bring hugs. 287 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: This isn't happening. This is a great setup, Matt, for 288 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:15,079 Speaker 1: a story we'll get to later, because we did say 289 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 1: we're going to get into some feminism in piracy, which 290 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 1: I'm really excited about. This is going to be crazy, 291 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 1: but you know, it's your proposition there about starting closer 292 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 1: to the US centric view. Why do you kick it 293 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 1: with us on the on the is there a pirate 294 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 1: from the Caribbean that's really captured ry? 295 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 3: Oh, geez, put me on the spot. 296 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 2: Why don't you, Well, you know what, I will talk 297 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:44,479 Speaker 2: about this guy because it actually is also very applicable 298 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 2: in terms of what we just discussed regarding the golden 299 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 2: age of piracy, and there was actually a thing that 300 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 2: happened where King George, the first kind of near the 301 00:14:58,200 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 2: end of that Golden Age that Matt was talking about 302 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 2: seventeen eighteen to seventeen. Seventeen seventeen to seventeen eighteen, he 303 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 2: passed something called the Acts of Grace, which essentially absolved 304 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 2: a lot of these pirates for their crimes in the 305 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 2: hopes that they would quit pirating. Yeah, but some of 306 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 2: them said, King George, you can take your pardon and 307 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 2: stick it where the sun don't shine. 308 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 6: Also to jump in here, I mean, Ben, I know 309 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 6: you were the swell, but so much of my knowledge 310 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 6: of this time of period it just comes from Assassin's 311 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 6: creed for a black Flag. They're showing up, you know, 312 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 6: is it Huntingford. We're going to get into him eventually, 313 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 6: but yeah, he's your friend. He portrays you and you 314 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 6: have to kill him later. 315 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 3: Oh so yeah, I've never played a one of those 316 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 3: games where it's it. 317 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 1: Start later in the franchise. 318 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 2: I start earlier in the fan like the Pirate One. 319 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 2: Don't start one? 320 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 1: Should I say? 321 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 3: The Pirate One? 322 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 1: Though? 323 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 3: Is that great. 324 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 1: Mechanics? 325 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 6: Well, they're going to re release it this year unless 326 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 6: they're not going to re releaate what. Yeah, Ubisov has been 327 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 6: haven't official announcement, but they've been working on a re 328 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 6: release or remastering of four. But they're also working on 329 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 6: a remastering of Prince Persia, which they canceled. 330 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: Because you have thoughts like going on now Srodingers. 331 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 2: That's funny though, because Ubisoft is kind of the King George, 332 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 2: the first of video. 333 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 3: Games in a lot of ways. 334 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 2: Because not to get too off the track here, but 335 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 2: we're all huge fans of clareub Scare Expedition thirty three, 336 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 2: which is what one could argue as close to an 337 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 2: indie game studio as might be able to generate what 338 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 2: feels like a triple A title like clareub Scare. And 339 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 2: it was made up from folks who pitched that to Ubisoft, 340 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 2: and he was continuously shot down and said, no, no, no, 341 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 2: that's too weird, it is never gonna fly, and literally 342 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 2: blew them out of the water when they started their 343 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 2: own company Sandfall, dude. 344 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 6: And by the way, I have my whole right arm 345 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 6: exposed facing Matt right now, who refuses to play claireub 346 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 6: Skire so he has to just stare at my. 347 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 1: You have to play it. With the audio we're getting on, I. 348 00:16:57,680 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 5: Would love it so much if it wasn't all, you know, 349 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 5: a generated I'm only kidding right now. 350 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:08,919 Speaker 2: The Proclamation for Suppressing of Pirates also known as the 351 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 2: Act of Grace, and it was it was not an 352 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 2: act of Parliament, but it was a royal proclamation that 353 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:18,440 Speaker 2: King George the First of Britain issued on September fifth 354 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 2: of seventeen seventeen, promising a pardon for all acts of 355 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:27,400 Speaker 2: piracy committed before the following January the fifth, to any 356 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:30,879 Speaker 2: pirates who would be so bold as to surrender themselves 357 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 2: to the Crown, to a proper authority before said deadline. 358 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 3: And there were other, you know, caveats associated with that. 359 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:40,959 Speaker 2: But we're talking about a dude named Charles Vain, who 360 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 2: I believe that's your your reference point with the game, right. 361 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 6: Uh no, but he is got you play as a 362 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:50,920 Speaker 6: fictional pirate Edward Tenway. But Vain is one of the 363 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 6: guys you meet and you don't think very highly of Vain. 364 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 6: Vain has comes off as a real pill. 365 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 1: Well he was Benjamin Horney Golden. 366 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 6: Yeah, he's actually a kind of your mentor, and he's 367 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 6: kind of like a guy who portrays you. 368 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 1: Jim and Horny gold Yes, matt okay, okay, just with 369 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 1: an I. 370 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 3: That's a banger of a pirate. 371 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 5: For gold, we got vain and horny gold. 372 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:13,679 Speaker 2: So here's a quote from Captain Charles Johnson from a 373 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 2: general History of the Pirates with a y because they 374 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 2: spelled things funny. Back then, all the pirates who were 375 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 2: found at this colony of rogues submitted and received certificates 376 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:29,160 Speaker 2: of their pardon, except Captain Vaine and his crew, who, 377 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 2: as soon as they saw the men of War enter, 378 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:36,160 Speaker 2: slipped their cable, set fire to a prize they had 379 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:40,440 Speaker 2: in the harbor, and sailed out with their pirrishical colors flying, 380 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:43,120 Speaker 2: firing at one of the men of war as they 381 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 2: went off. 382 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 3: Boy, King go off, they went off. 383 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 1: And folks, to be clear, Vain is to your point. No, 384 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 1: he's one of the people who looked at this offer, offer, this, 385 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:59,679 Speaker 1: this olive branch from somebody that he totally freaking hated, 386 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 1: and he played along at first, and he said, oh, yeah, yeah, 387 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 1: you know me. I'm a I'm a good boy, I'm 388 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: an upstanding maritime dude. And they said, oh, right there 389 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 1: they were. The King's palled in for the uh. And 390 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:14,919 Speaker 1: then just a few months afterwards, as he said, he. 391 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 3: Blew up the spot. 392 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 2: To maybe you know, unpack that kind of you know, 393 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 2: old timey quote I just read. He basically gave him 394 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 2: the finger, set a ship on fire, and fled with 395 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:29,679 Speaker 2: his pirate flag flying, saying like, first of all, this 396 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 2: is important to note Vain was a Jacobite, okay, meaning 397 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:39,360 Speaker 2: he was of the political ideology advocating for the restoration 398 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:41,639 Speaker 2: of the senior line of the House of Stuart to 399 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 2: the British throne. So politically he was just absolutely opposed 400 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 2: to everything that the King stood for. 401 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 3: It was like exactly secretarian, you know, and that kind of. 402 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 2: Stuff, to the point where that probably informed his decision 403 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:00,919 Speaker 2: to give said finger and set set fire. 404 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, right on off into the sunset. 405 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 1: And his boys loved it. 406 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 3: Honest, his boys loved it. If I could jump in 407 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 3: real quick. 408 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 6: I think it's also important to understand on why the 409 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 6: king was doing this, because getting these pirates done was nice, 410 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 6: but there was still in need for privateers, at least 411 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:19,719 Speaker 6: in their mind. And like Horni Gold, like you know, 412 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 6: is one of these guys who would have maintained he 413 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 6: was a privateier, not a pirate like they were, Like, 414 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 6: you know, we'll probably talk about this more later. What's 415 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 6: the line between a privateer and a pirate really? 416 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 2: So, yeah, but to your point earlier to Max, I mean, 417 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,159 Speaker 2: and I think a couple of the other fellas made 418 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 2: this point as well. The reason they moved towards piracy 419 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 2: is because the privateering and or the version prior to that, 420 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 2: just wasn't paying the bills. 421 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:45,880 Speaker 3: So basically the proposition here is come bend the knee 422 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 3: and then. 423 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 2: Go back to the old way where we are now 424 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 2: in charge of you again. And uh political you know, 425 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:56,440 Speaker 2: differences aside, that just didn't seem like a particularly good 426 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 2: deal for for. 427 00:20:57,480 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 3: Mister vane Yes and his boys, the horn to. 428 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 6: Go got good because his whole thing was like, oh, 429 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 6: I will screw over all my friends I made here 430 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,680 Speaker 6: in Nasut. Yeah, yeah, he's a real part. 431 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 2: But this they say, no honor among thieves, I think 432 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 2: that's a me snomer. 433 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:09,399 Speaker 5: Well, this is. 434 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 1: It depends on the type of thievery. But this is 435 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 1: the kind of thing with privateers. We have to remember. 436 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:18,879 Speaker 1: It's a really crappy commission gig because they're saying you 437 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:20,919 Speaker 1: can do what you want as long as you do 438 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 1: it to this group, like as long as you attack 439 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 1: the Spanish or you know, as long as you attack 440 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:27,640 Speaker 1: the British, you're fine and you can kind of take 441 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 1: what you want from there. But we're not like giving 442 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:34,400 Speaker 1: you health insurance. We're not giving you workmen's comprehension. It's 443 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 1: a contract gig, and we can end it at any time. 444 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 2: It's a good example of like seizing the means of 445 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 2: production kind of stuff, where it's like I don't need 446 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 2: you and your your grace proclamation. I don't need the 447 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,239 Speaker 2: pittance that you're gonna throw me for the work that 448 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:53,360 Speaker 2: I can go out and grab and do myself. Granted, 449 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 2: there is something to be said and an argument to 450 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 2: be made of having regular gigs and not having to 451 00:21:57,600 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 2: like always hustle and find the next you. 452 00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 1: Know, shout out to everybody to not go shout out 453 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:03,440 Speaker 1: to our fellows. 454 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:05,920 Speaker 5: We're gonna say it sounds like a gig economy, isn't 455 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,159 Speaker 5: Isn't that the way to go? Like we've advanced so 456 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:11,159 Speaker 5: far since then, and we've decided the gig economy is 457 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 5: the thing that works the best for. 458 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 2: Everything that's right this calculation, This is a rig economy. 459 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: I'm doing ship jokes. 460 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 5: Got it, and it works on so many levels. 461 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 6: Nice work, Bet, I interjected the bad joke drum here annually. 462 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, you are the bad joke drum 463 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:31,679 Speaker 1: of my heart. Max. 464 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:35,120 Speaker 2: So not a lot is known about Charles Vane's early 465 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,119 Speaker 2: life other than the fact that he was a sailor. 466 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 2: He is from Port Royal, probably wasn't born there. 467 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 5: Forgive me is port Royal, Jamaica. 468 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:48,200 Speaker 2: I believe it's in uh, yeah, I think it is. 469 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 2: That's correct. And he is thought to have been born 470 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:55,639 Speaker 2: around sixteen ninety, probably in England, but he operated in 471 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 2: Port Royal and again likely wasn't born there. He was, 472 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:03,159 Speaker 2: as I'd said, a big spokesperson for the Jacobite cause 473 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,919 Speaker 2: he served as a privateer under Henry Jennings and in 474 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:12,120 Speaker 2: seventeen sixteen this position helped him to knock over a 475 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:16,360 Speaker 2: Spanish galleon that had sunk off the coast of Florida 476 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 2: in a storm and collect all of the sunken literal 477 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:23,959 Speaker 2: sunken treasure you know therein That's when he really started 478 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:28,639 Speaker 2: hanging out right here around Nasau and then where we 479 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:33,639 Speaker 2: now sit, had a super super posh lifestyle and became 480 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:40,879 Speaker 2: an incredibly successful pirate, capturing merchant vessels from places as 481 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:45,159 Speaker 2: far flung as Hispanola to New York and just shout 482 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:49,200 Speaker 2: out to Wayne Savage and his website the Golden Age 483 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 2: of Piracy, getting some really good information from that. So 484 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,439 Speaker 2: let's go really quickly into the deal with the pardon, 485 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 2: and I'm just going to read really quickly from Wayne's writing, 486 00:23:57,800 --> 00:23:59,479 Speaker 2: because I think he does a great job somemming this up. 487 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 2: It really came into his own as a pirate when 488 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 2: the news of the King's pardon reached Nassau. Being one 489 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 2: of those who refuse clemency, he was disgusted when more 490 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 2: than half of the pirates, including his mentor Jennings, accepted it. 491 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,119 Speaker 2: This is like a bad look as far as he 492 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 2: was concerned. This was people like you know, denying their 493 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,159 Speaker 2: their pirate pirate ways and bending the knee again to 494 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 2: the people they were rebelling against in the first place. 495 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,679 Speaker 2: Many others who rejected it were doing so on political, 496 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:36,640 Speaker 2: politically motivated grounds because they were also Jacobites. So he then, 497 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,879 Speaker 2: after doing the thing you know that I described in 498 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:43,400 Speaker 2: that quote, reached out to a lot of other Jacobites 499 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 2: and a lot of people who supported his cause and 500 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 2: started to amass more crew members for his operation on 501 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 2: February seventeen eighteen in rather the HMS Phoenix, which was 502 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,400 Speaker 2: a British ship captained by a guy named Vincent. Pierce 503 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:05,200 Speaker 2: got to Nasau and he was kind of welcomed by. 504 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 3: The the local folks. 505 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,399 Speaker 2: And that is when Pierce, he was kind of like 506 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 2: the the Jean Valjean and Javert kind of situation. He's 507 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 2: the Javert to Vain's Jean Valjean started to uh aggressively 508 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 2: pursue capture of this you know, escaped pirate who was 509 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 2: flouting the very generous clemency offered by the king. 510 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 1: Oh we also have to point out too, I'm loving 511 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:41,879 Speaker 1: this story. Vain was even among other pirates, infamous for 512 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 1: his cruelty. Really yeah, yeah, he was a hard gum. 513 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,199 Speaker 1: Yeah he was not like we're we just want to 514 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,120 Speaker 1: make sure you don't think we're painting him in too 515 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 1: heroic a light. 516 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:56,479 Speaker 2: No, I'm not trying to. It's mainly just interesting the dynamics. 517 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,200 Speaker 1: Of the whole dynamics politics and because it's not financial 518 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:00,920 Speaker 1: for him, it's first it is personal. 519 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,200 Speaker 3: That's and then sometimes that's what makes the most dangerous characters. 520 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 1: Because you can rationalize whatever you're doing. 521 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 5: Do you have one example of that, just so I understand, 522 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 5: Like what we're talking about is cruelty. Yeah, and I 523 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 5: don't want to go They were darker. 524 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:17,399 Speaker 1: Not just They wouldn't just beat, uh, they wouldn't just 525 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,440 Speaker 1: beat other sailors when they were raiding ships. They would 526 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,880 Speaker 1: capture them and sometimes not even try to ransom them. 527 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,359 Speaker 1: They would just torture them for long periods of time, 528 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 1: and then they would also, uh, I think this is 529 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 1: the right guy. They would go really hard on one 530 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 1: dude to make him an example to the other sailors 531 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:40,119 Speaker 1: so that they would willingly give up all their values valuables, 532 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 1: and then they would also beat those guys. Geez. 533 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:44,120 Speaker 5: Okay. 534 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 1: So it's like somebody is gonna try to mug you 535 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 1: with a baseball bat, give your wallet and you do, 536 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,680 Speaker 1: and they say, okay, now I'm gonna beat Yeah. 537 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 5: They got your stuff. 538 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 3: Now it's real, real gangster. Yeah, Dan is a good 539 00:26:58,680 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 3: of the. 540 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 5: Seas as a palate cleanser. Between that and the next 541 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 5: pirate we talked about, I want to clarify something from 542 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,119 Speaker 5: my own mind. I think you guys might know better 543 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 5: than I. The ships that many pirates would use were 544 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 5: often smaller, right than the schooners or okay, so they're there, 545 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,639 Speaker 5: they don't, they don't. Just for me the complete layman here, 546 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 5: not like the huge bricates exactly, or a galleon or 547 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 5: one of these huge ships that maybe the Spanish Armado 548 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 5: would have or another you know, British force. 549 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: Always there were some chonky boys, but most of them 550 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,120 Speaker 1: to jump in more sloops and schooners. 551 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 6: The big steption would be like Edward teaches Queen Anne's Pravans, 552 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:40,440 Speaker 6: which was. 553 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:40,920 Speaker 5: A man of war. 554 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 3: Oh wow, that's like the huge that's bigger than a freak. 555 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:46,879 Speaker 6: But yeah, this is obviously black Beard, but that was 556 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 6: like his prize was capturing that. But yeah, most people 557 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,919 Speaker 6: had small agile chef. 558 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, because they could out maneuver the bigger guys, and 559 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 1: they were also easier to steal. 560 00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 2: It's like those gangs of a dirt bike in eight 561 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 2: TV riders that we see around Atlantic Chase. They there's 562 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 2: no way they can ever because the zip off through 563 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 2: a neighborhood. 564 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 5: Well, and the point I wanted to get to with 565 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,880 Speaker 5: all of that was that's one of the reasons Nasau 566 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 5: was so important and such a good place to go, 567 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,640 Speaker 5: because those smaller ships can get into this area much 568 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 5: more safely and come in closer to land. 569 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 2: Well, and dude, the wind man, think about that. If 570 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,680 Speaker 2: you were a smaller ship, you can harness that wind, 571 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 2: if you're a skilled sailor and zip and go super suent. 572 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:32,879 Speaker 2: It's crazy windy around here. 573 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 1: There's another there's another point there that has always fascinated 574 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 1: me historically. You guys, when we talk about sea serpents. 575 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 1: This is a tangent, but we talked about sea serpents 576 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 1: or sea monsters, sea creatures of the deep. You know, 577 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 1: you see all those woodcuts of them swallowing up a 578 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 1: ship entire. We have to remember is that's not necessarily 579 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 1: as implausible as it sounds for really big octopus or 580 00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 1: a squid to attack a ship like that. 581 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 3: David Joe Jazz, because. 582 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 1: In reality they are so much smaller than they're portrayed 583 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 1: in fiction. Right, if you go on an accurate reproduction 584 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 1: of one of those ships, you're going to think, oh, 585 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 1: it's not the size of the sea monster, it's the 586 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 1: size of the ship. 587 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 5: The interesting that's what. 588 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:21,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what makes a difference. The ocean's great fascinating 589 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 1: facts because. 590 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 5: The tactics of a pirrating ship is to come along, 591 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 5: to find its way alongside, sneak up basically to a 592 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 5: larger ship, and get part of the crew on board, 593 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 5: right because we're. 594 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 1: Not talking smaller boats under cover of night. 595 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 5: Because we're not talking about naval combat off way. But 596 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 5: if you play like Black. 597 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 1: Flag, you got broadside people. 598 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 5: It's well it's the broadsiding, but it's all about upgrading 599 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 5: your cannons and all these other things. And I wonder 600 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 5: how much of that actually played into the form of 601 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 5: pirrating that truly existed, maybe. 602 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 1: At the state level role, so you would have something 603 00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 1: that's essentially like a BattleMech. You know the size of 604 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 1: your flags, right, Yeah, those guys have all these tremendous 605 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 1: capabilities if you stay still long enough for them to 606 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 1: get to you. Right. So if you if you see 607 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 1: them turning and facing the can instward, you you might 608 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 1: have to wait for a while, right to get your 609 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 1: ass kicked. 610 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 3: Absolutely to jump in with more Black Flag. 611 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 6: There are at the end of Black Flag for like 612 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 6: boss level ship fight, and if you try just fight 613 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 6: them as traditional, you're gonna get your ass kicked every 614 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:30,719 Speaker 6: time because there's so much more powerful that you can 615 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 6: make your own ship. But so yeah, being nimble and 616 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 6: fast and a lot of those fights nestics are usually 617 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 6: against really large ships at bend point, they take forever 618 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 6: to turn. 619 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 5: Yes, but once they fire, you're dead. Yeah. 620 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, It's kind of like getting in a fight with 621 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 1: a sumo wrestler, you know what I mean, Like, just 622 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 1: don't let them get to you. 623 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 3: No, you gotta sweep the leg. 624 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 6: And to know previous part about Charles Vaine, when they 625 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 6: got them all on Nassau, they had them blockaded into 626 00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 6: Nassau with all those massive ships. It's like, yeah, those 627 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 6: fast little ships can't really do much in that case. 628 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 1: It's a wildfire, right, as long as those big ships 629 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 1: are able to stay supplied. 630 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 5: But blockade. I swear I heard that about history here, Matt. 631 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 1: Let's get it straight. Hey, uh riddles, this what happens? 632 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 2: Well, I will get to that in two point five seconds. 633 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 2: I just want to add I just there was a 634 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 2: detail that I left out. When Vain decided to flee 635 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 2: the coup after being offered that pardon, What essentially happened 636 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 2: was an envoy came to Nasau, you know, bearing the 637 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 2: papers that would represent you know that pardon make it official. 638 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,239 Speaker 2: And not only did Vane you know, reject it and 639 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:46,480 Speaker 2: set a ship on fire. 640 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 3: This guy's name was Rogers. He sailed the flaming ship 641 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 3: directly at rogers fleet. 642 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 2: And created a diversion that he then used to peace 643 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 2: on out. 644 00:31:56,320 --> 00:32:00,040 Speaker 3: Wow, black flag, I know. 645 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 1: That was Woods Rogers And the thing is the templar. Yeah, 646 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 1: the game, the game, definitely in the game in real life. 647 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 1: Who knows, but I nol I believe that that crazy 648 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 1: move to turn a ship into a fire ship. It 649 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 1: it didn't destroy this other guy's ships, right, It didn't 650 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,840 Speaker 1: destroy Rogers's fleet, but it gave him the opportunity. 651 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, just a. 652 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 2: Distraction, total, very very expert god teared diversion just to 653 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 2: get out of there. 654 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,800 Speaker 1: Okay, all right, what happens next. 655 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:35,880 Speaker 3: Well, a lot of things happen. 656 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 2: He pirates around, you know, for for for a while, 657 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,479 Speaker 2: he massed quite a bit of wealth, of course, and 658 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 2: then eventually, as as is typically the case with folks 659 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 2: flouting the law so openly like that, it eventually catches 660 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,120 Speaker 2: up with them, and it caught up with him in 661 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 2: pretty epic fashion in the form of an absolutely cut 662 00:32:56,040 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 2: scene worthy twist where he essentially is run from the authorities. 663 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 2: He shipwrecks on an island, he has to. He gets 664 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 2: rescued from the island and then like gets aboard another 665 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 2: vessel where he takes on a false identity for a 666 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 2: while and get in get in situations. 667 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 3: And he sure did so. 668 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 2: In February of seventeen nineteen, he got caught in a 669 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,600 Speaker 2: hurricane the Bay Islands, got shipwrecked on a literal uncharted 670 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 2: and basically I mean, for all intents and purposes of 671 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:29,360 Speaker 2: what we know, uninhabited island. The rest of the crew 672 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 2: died during this shipwreck. He was only able to survive 673 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:38,680 Speaker 2: because of some kindly turtle hunters who didn't necessarily live there, 674 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 2: but this is an island they knew about, and he 675 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,960 Speaker 2: was able to bart her for supplies or just you know, 676 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 2: appeal to the kindness of strangers. Eventually, what I was 677 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 2: kind of describing a minute ago, a merchant ship arrived 678 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 2: and it was piloted by an ex pirate named Holford. 679 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,239 Speaker 3: He didn't trust Vane, so he did not offer him 680 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 3: a lift. In fact, he told him that he was 681 00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 3: going to leave him there and that if he was 682 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 3: still there when he came back in a month's time, 683 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 3: he would he would give him a ride, but not 684 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 3: to freedom to the gallows. 685 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,240 Speaker 1: Okay, So he's like, I'll give you a pass because 686 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 1: we both were in the game, but if I see 687 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,880 Speaker 1: you again, you're gonna face justice. 688 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:16,239 Speaker 3: Correct. Another English ship eventually arrived in order to get 689 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,880 Speaker 3: fresh water. That's when Vain attempted to blend in with 690 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,920 Speaker 3: the crew using a fake name and a bit of 691 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 3: a disguise. 692 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,279 Speaker 1: It's me Nigel, nonpirate. 693 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:25,760 Speaker 3: Correct. 694 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 2: He Eventually Colford catches up with that crew, who is 695 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:34,320 Speaker 2: an associate of the captain of this new merchant vessel 696 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 2: that Vain is now basically stowing away on for a 697 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 2: intensive purposes, and he then turns him in narks him out. 698 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 2: He gets tried and hanged in March of seventeen twenty 699 00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:50,240 Speaker 2: one at Gallows Point. Full circle back there in Port Royal, 700 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:56,000 Speaker 2: his lifeless corpse was hung in chains on the small 701 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,719 Speaker 2: island off of a gun k near the port near 702 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:03,480 Speaker 2: the co and this really represented kind of making an 703 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 2: example of him, and many people looked at it as 704 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,800 Speaker 2: a very important visual cue signaling the end. 705 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,480 Speaker 3: Of the golden the golden age of piracy. 706 00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:17,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, and uh, you know that's how you play the game. 707 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:21,120 Speaker 1: I guess, uh it's it's a larger than life tail. 708 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,040 Speaker 1: I think we've been pretty honest about the uh the 709 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:28,120 Speaker 1: darker parts of it. But uh no, after after all this, 710 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,360 Speaker 1: what do you think, man, You're gonna do some piracy 711 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:30,640 Speaker 1: with me? 712 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:32,000 Speaker 3: I'm gonna go to the water park. 713 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,600 Speaker 1: Okay, if that's euphemism for piracy, I know. 714 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,520 Speaker 3: They may have a pirate themed ride and I'm gladly 715 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:39,400 Speaker 3: enjoy it. 716 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,319 Speaker 1: And so, folks, we can't thank you again enough for 717 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:48,400 Speaker 1: tuning in enjoining us in an auditory way here at Bahamar. 718 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,960 Speaker 2: We're doing an intentional two parter. We all brought some 719 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:52,799 Speaker 2: really fun stories. That one ended up being a little 720 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,920 Speaker 2: beefier than we expected. So when we come back with 721 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,399 Speaker 2: part two, I think we might have two more for you. 722 00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,719 Speaker 1: And of course, big big thanks to mister Max Free 723 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:06,760 Speaker 1: Train Williams. Huge thanks to ours returning special guest Matt Frederick. Matt, 724 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:07,960 Speaker 1: what's on your mind? Man? 725 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:13,319 Speaker 5: Who is that creeping in our phones? It's Max and 726 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,760 Speaker 5: he's got the knowledge, Max, Max Mac. 727 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:17,960 Speaker 1: Just for you, here it come. 728 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:19,600 Speaker 5: It's back the. 729 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,160 Speaker 1: Matt. 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Shout 736 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:50,000 Speaker 2: out to Dylan the Tennessee palp Vegans who's always. 737 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:51,920 Speaker 3: Rocking the rude bekas over on stuff they don't want 738 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:52,200 Speaker 3: you to know. 739 00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,359 Speaker 2: If you don't know what I'm talking about, do get 740 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,000 Speaker 2: you to a podcast platform of choice and check out 741 00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,719 Speaker 2: our weekly listener mail episodes where you get a new 742 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,120 Speaker 2: root to beg a jingle to me about every yepp. 743 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:03,680 Speaker 5: And if you're behind on the root of Begas, I 744 00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,360 Speaker 5: think the plan very soon is to make an oops 745 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,200 Speaker 5: All Roota Bega is at least special. 746 00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,399 Speaker 1: And in the meantime you could also check out our 747 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,440 Speaker 1: parent company, IGU. If you love this trippy stuff. We 748 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:20,239 Speaker 1: have a whoops All Illumination Global Unlimited episode. I'm miss 749 00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,359 Speaker 1: making those, you guys, we should We should get back 750 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,719 Speaker 1: to those before IGU puts out a puts out a 751 00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:29,239 Speaker 1: call to end our podcast piracy. What do we think? 752 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,320 Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, always, always more. 753 00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,319 Speaker 1: And always more reminds us the rest of the Thank yous. 754 00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:40,040 Speaker 1: Big shout out to Max's biological brother Alex Williams, our 755 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,240 Speaker 1: brother in podcast arms, who composed this bang and bop. 756 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,839 Speaker 1: Big reluctant shout out to a guy who totally would 757 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:51,440 Speaker 1: have worked for the British colonial powers, our own East 758 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:58,319 Speaker 1: India Company, villain rogue and impressionist at the Renaissance Fair, 759 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:00,080 Speaker 1: Jonathan Strict. 760 00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,960 Speaker 2: To do a bit of a paper things aka the 761 00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,560 Speaker 2: Admiral was Roger's sort. 762 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,560 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, oh good callback and big thanks to the eavest Jeffcoat. 763 00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,200 Speaker 1: Big thanks to Christopher hasiotis well snol. 764 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,680 Speaker 5: Can I shout out the kind of haggard looking dove. 765 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:17,960 Speaker 5: There's like some really n. 766 00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,200 Speaker 3: And the sanctuary. 767 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,560 Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no no, you can't rain those birds in, dude. 768 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:26,359 Speaker 5: If you go in the sanctuary, they will give you 769 00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,160 Speaker 5: a tiny little stick that has some bird seed on it, 770 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,719 Speaker 5: and the little birds will land on the stick and 771 00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,480 Speaker 5: hang out with you for a while, and it's glorious. 772 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,200 Speaker 1: And speaking of glorious, we're going to return to uh, 773 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,359 Speaker 1: the glory days of piracy in a way that's not 774 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 1: often reported in Western history books, So tune in later 775 00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:47,640 Speaker 1: this week. In the meantime, we got to go catch 776 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:49,200 Speaker 1: some sun and some turtles. 777 00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:50,920 Speaker 3: We'll see you next time, folks. 778 00:38:57,800 --> 00:38:59,920 Speaker 2: For more podcasts from My Heart Radio, visit the eye 779 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,840 Speaker 2: Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to 780 00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:03,840 Speaker 2: your favorite shows.